{"version":"https://jsonfeed.org/version/1","title":"Welcome to Cloudlandia","home_page_url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com","feed_url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/json","description":"Join Dean Jackson and Dan Sullivan as they talk about growing your business and living you best life in Cloudlandia.","_fireside":{"pubdate":"2025-04-09T10:00:00.000-04:00","explicit":false,"owner":"Dean Jackson and Dan Sullivan","image":"https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-images-2024/podcasts/images/2/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/cover.jpg?v=1"},"items":[{"id":"2c7f503f-b54c-44a4-8716-9e9b3243f94b","title":"Ep152: Exploring Time Zones and Trade ","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/152","content_text":"In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we start by unraveling the intriguing concept of global time zones. We humorously ponder the idea of a unified world clock, inspired by China's singular time zone. The discussion expands to how people in countries like Iceland adapt to extreme daylight variations and the impact of climate change narratives that often overlook local experiences.\n\nWe then explore the power of perception and emotion in shaping our reactions to world events. The conversation delves into how algorithms on platforms shape personal experiences and the choice to opt out of traditional media in favor of a more tailored information stream. The shift from curated media landscapes to algorithm-driven platforms is another key topic, highlighting the challenges of navigating personalized information environments.\n\nFinally, we tackle the critical issue of government financial accountability. We humorously consider where vast sums of unaccounted-for money might go, reflecting on the importance of financial transparency. \n\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\n\n    In the episode, Dan and I explore the concept of a unified global time zone, drawing inspiration from China's singular time zone. We discuss the potential advantages and disadvantages of such a system, including the adaptability of people living in areas with extreme daylight variations like Iceland.\n    We delve into the complexities of climate change narratives, highlighting how they often lack local context and focus on global measurements, which can lead to stress and anxiety due to information overload without agency.\n    The power of perception and emotion is a focal point, as we discuss how reactions are often influenced by personal feelings and past experiences rather than actual events. This is compared to the idealization of celebrities through curated information.\n    Our conversation examines the shift from curated media landscapes to algorithm-driven platforms, emphasizing how algorithms shape personal experiences and the challenges of researching topics like tariffs in a personalized information environment.\n    We discuss the dynamic between vision and capability in innovation, using historical examples like Gutenberg's printing press to illustrate how existing capabilities can spark visionary ideas.\n    The episode explores the complexities of international trade, particularly the shift from tangible products to intangible services, and the challenges of tracking these shifts across borders.\n    We address the issue of government financial accountability, referencing the $1.2 trillion unaccounted for last year, and the need for financial transparency and accountability in the current era.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean: Mr Sullivan. \n\nDan: Yes, and I forgot my time zones there almost for a second. Are you in Chicago? Yeah, you know. Why can't we just all be in the same time zone? \n\nDean: Well. \n\nDan: I know that's what China does. Yeah, Well, that's a reason not to do it. Then you know, I learned that little tidbit from we publish something and it's a reason not to do it. \n\nDean: then that was. You know I learned that little tidbit from. We publish something and it's a postcard for, you know, realtors and financial advisors or business owners to send to their clients as a monthly kind of postcard newsletter, and so every month it has all kinds of interesting facts and whatnot, and one of them that I heard on there is, even though China should have six time zones, they only have one. That's kind of an interesting thing. Imagine if the. United States had all one time zone, that would be great. \n\nDan: Yeah, I think there would be advantages and disadvantages, regardless of what your time system is. \n\nDean: Well, that'd be like anything really, you know, think about that. In California it would get light super early and we'd be off a good dock really early too we'd be off and get docked really early too. Yeah, I spent a couple of summers in Iceland, where it gets 24 hours of light. \n\nDan: You know June 20th and it's. I mean, it's disruptive if you're just arriving there, but I talked to Icelanders and they don't really think about it. It's, you know, part of the year it's completely light all day and part of the year it's dark all day. And then they've adjusted to it. \n\nDean: It happens in Finland and Norway and Alaska. We're adaptable, dan, we're very adaptable. \n\nDan: And those that aren't move away or die. \n\nDean: I heard somebody was talking today about. It was a video that I saw online. They were mentioning climate change, global warming, and that they say that global warming is the measurement is against what? Since when? Is the question to ask, because the things that they're talking about are since 1850, right, it's warmed by 0.6 degrees Celsius since 1850. We've had three periods of warming and since you know, the medieval warming and the Roman warming, we're actually down by five degrees. So it's like such a so when somebody says that we're global warming, the temperature is global warming and the question is since when? That's the real question to ask. \n\nDan: Yeah, I think with those who are alarmist regarding temperature and climate. They have two big problems. They're language problems, Not so much language, but contextual problems. Nobody experiences global. That's exactly right. The other thing is nobody experiences climate. What we experience is local weather. \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: Yeah, so nobody in the world has ever experienced either global or climate. You just experience whatever the weather is within a mile of you you know within a mile of you. That's basically and it's hard to it's hard to sell a theory. \n\nDean: That, you know. That ties in with kind of the idea we were talking about last week that the you know, our brains are not equipped, we're not supposed to have omniscience or know of all of the things that are happening all over the world, of all of the things that are happening all over the world, where only our brains are built to, you know, be aware of and adapt to what's happening in our own proximity and with the people in our world. Our top 150 and yeah, that's what that's the rap thing is that we're, you know, we're having access to everybody and everything at a rate that we're not access to everybody and everything at a rate that we're not supposed to Like. Even when you look back at you know, I've thought about this, like since the internet, if you think about since the 90s, like you know, my growing up, my whole lens on the world was really a, you know, toronto, the GTA lens and being part of Canada. That was really most of our outlook. \n\nAnd then, because of our proximity to the United States, of course we had access to all the US programming and all that stuff, but you know, you mostly hear it was all the local Buffalo programming. That was. They always used to lead off with. There was a lot of fires in Tonawanda, it seemed happening in Buffalo, because everything was fire in North Tonawanda. It still met 11. And that was whole thing. We were either listening to the CBC or listening to eyewitness news in Buffalo, yeah. But now, and you had to seek out to know what was going on in Chicago, the only time you would have a massive scale was happening in Chicago. Right, that made national news the tippy top of the thing. \n\nDan: Yeah, I wonder if you said an interesting thing is that we have access to everyone and everything, but we never do it. \n\nDean: It's true we have access to the knowledge right Like it's part of you know how, when you I was thinking about it, as you know how you define a mess right as an obligation without commitment that there's some kind of information mess that we have is knowledge without agency? You know we have is knowledge without agency. You know we have no agency to do anything about any of these bad things that are happening. No, it's out of our control. You know what are we going to do about what's happening in Ukraine or Gaza or what we know about them? You know, or we know, everybody's getting stabbed in London and you know you just hear you get all these things that fire off these anxiety things triggers. \n\nIt's actually in our mind, yeah that's exactly right, that our minds with access to that. That triggers off the hormone or the chemical responses you know that fire up the fight or flight or the anxiety or readiness. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's really interesting. I've been giving some thought to well, first of all, the perception of danger in the world, and what we're responding to is not actual events. What we're responding to is our feelings. Yes, that's exactly right, yeah. You've just had an emotional change and you're actually responding to your own emotions, which really aren't that connected to what actually triggered your emotions. You know it might have been something that happened to you maybe 25 years ago. That was scary and that memory just got triggered by an event in the world. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, and the same thing with celebrity. Celebrity because I've been thinking about celebrity for quite a long time and you know, each of us you and I, to a certain extent are a celebrity in certain circles, and what I think is responsible for that is that they've read something or heard something or heard somebody say something that has created an image of someone in their mind, but it's at a distance, they don't actually meet you at a distance. And the more that's reinforced, but you never meet them the image of that person gets bigger and bigger in your mind. \n\nBut you're not responding to the person. You're responding just to something that you created in your mind. \n\nDean: I think part of that is because you know if you see somebody on video or you hear somebody on audio or you see them written about in text, that those are. It's kind of residue from you know it used to be the only people that would get written about or on tv or on the radio were no famous people yeah, famous, and so that's kind of it. I think that the same yeah, everybody has access to that. Now Everybody has reach. You know to be to the meritocracy of that because it used to be curated, right that there was some, there were only, so somebody was making the decision on who got to be famous. Like that's why people used to really want to own media. Like that's why people used to really want to own media. That's why all these powerful people wanted to own newspapers and television and radio stations, because they could control the messaging, control the media. You know? \n\nDan: Yeah, it's really interesting. Is it you that has the reach, or someone else has reach that's impacting you? \n\nDean: Yeah, I mean I think that we all have it depends on whether you're on the sending end or the receiving end of reach. \n\nYeah, like we've seen a shift in what happens, like even in the evolution of our ability to be able to consume. It started with our ability to consume content, like with all of those you know, with MP3s and videos, and you know, then YouTube was really the chance for everybody to post up. You know you could distribute, you had access to reach, and in the last 10 years, the shift has been that you had to in order to have reach, you had to get followers right. That were people would subscribe to your content or, you know, like your content on Facebook or be your friend or follower, and now we've shifted to every. That doesn't really matter. \n\nEverything is algorithmic now. It's like you don't have to go out and spread the word and gather people to you. Your content is being pushed to people. That's how Stephen Paltrow can become, can reach millions of people, because his content is scratching an itch for millions of people who are, you know, seeking out fertility content, content, and that is being pushed to you. Now, that's why you're it's all algorithm based, you know, and it's so. It's really interesting that it becomes this echo chamber, that you get more of what you respond to. So you know you're get it. So it's amazing how every person's algorithm is very different, like what shows up on on things, and that's kind of what you've really, you know, avoided is you've removed yourself from that. You choose not to participate, so you're the 100%. Seek out what you're looking for. It's not being dictated to you. \n\nDan: Not quite understanding that. \n\nDean: Well you have chosen that you don't watch news. You don't participate in social media. You don't have an Instagram or anything like that where they're observing what you're watching and then dictating what you see next. You are an active like. You go select what you're going to watch. Now you've chosen real clear politics as your curator of things, so that's the jump. \n\nDan: Peter Zion. \n\nDean: But you're self-directing your things by asking. You're probably being introduced to things by the way. You interact with perplexity by asking it 10 ways. This is affecting this or the combination of this and this. \n\nDan: Yeah, I really don't care what perplexity, you know what it would want to tell me about. \n\nDean: You just want to ask, you want to guide the way it responds. Yeah yeah, and that's very it's very powerful. \n\nDan: It's very powerful. I mean, I'm just utterly pleased with what perplexity does for me. You know like you know, I just considered it. You know an additional capability that I have daily, that you know I can be informed in a way that suits me, like I was going over the tariffs. It was a little interesting on the tariff side because I asked a series of questions and it seemed to be avoiding what I was getting at. This is the first time I've really had that. \n\nSo I said yeah, and I was asking about Canada and I said what tariffs did Canada have against the United States? I guess you can say against tariff, against before 2025. And it said there were no retaliatory tariffs against the United States before 2025. And I said I didn't ask about retaliatory tariffs, I asked about tariffs, you know. And that said, well, there were no reciprocal tariffs before 2025. And I said, no, I want to know what tariffs. And then this said there was softwood and there was dairy products, and you know. \n\nI finally got to it. I finally got to it and I haven't really thought about it, because it was just about an hour ago that I did it and I said why did it avoid my question? I didn't. I mean, it's really good at knowing exactly what you're saying. Why did it throw a couple of other things in there? \n\nDean: Yeah, misdirection, right, or kind of. Maybe it's because what, maybe it's because it's the temperature. You know of what the zeitgeist is saying. What are people searching about? And I think maybe those, a lot of the words that they're saying, are. You know, the words are really important. \n\nDan: Not having a modifier for a tariff puts you in a completely different, and those tariffs have been in place for 50 or 60 years. So the interesting thing about it. By the way, 50 countries are now negotiating with the United States to remove tariffs how interesting. And he announced it on Wednesday. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: He just wanted to have a conversation with you and wanted to get your attention. \n\nDean: Yeah, wanted to get your attention. Yeah, have your attention, yeah, okay, let's talk about this. \n\nDan: Yeah and everything. But other than that, I'm just utterly pleased with what it can do to fashion your thoughts, fashion your writing and everything else. I think it's a terrific tool. \n\nDean: I've been having a lot of conversations around these bots. Like you know, people are hot on creating bots now like a Dan bot. Creating bots now like a Dan bot. Like oh Dan, you could say you've got so many podcasts and so much content and so many recordings of you, let's put it all in and train up Dan bot and then people could ask they'd have access to you as an AI. \n\nDan: Yeah, the way I do it. I ask them to send me a check and then they could. \n\nDean: But I wonder the thing about it that most of the things that I think are the limitations of that are that it's not how to even take advantage of that, because they don't know what you know to be able to, of that. Because they're bringing it, they don't know what you know to be able to access that you know and how it affects them you know. I first I got that sense when somebody came. They were very excited that they had trained up a Napoleon Hill bot and AI and you can ask Napoleon anything and I thought, thought you know, but people don't know what to ask. I'd rather have Napoleon ask me questions and coach me. You know like I think that would be much more useful is to have Napoleon Hill kind of ask me questions, engage where I am and then make you know, then feed me his thinking about that. If the goal is to facilitate change, you know, or to give people an advantage, I don't know. It just seems like we're very limited. \n\nDan: I mean, you know, my attitude is to increase the engagement with people I'm already engaged with. Yeah, like I don't feel I'm missing anyone, you know? \n\nI never feel like I'm missing someone in the world you know, or somehow my life is deficient because I'm not talking to 10 times more people that I'm talking to now, because I'm not really missing anything. I'm fully engaged. I mean, eight different podcast series is about the maximum that I can do, so I don't really need any. But to increase the engagement of the podcast, that would be a goal, because it's available. I don't. I don't wish for things, that is, that aren't accessible you know, and it's very interesting. \n\nI was going to talk to you about this subject, but more and more I've got a new tool that I put together. I don't think you have vision before you have capability. Okay, say more Now. What I mean by that is think of a situation where you suddenly thought hey, I can do this new thing. \n\nAnd you do the new thing and satisfy yourself that it's new and it's useful, and then all of a sudden your brain says, hey, with this new thing, you can do this, you can do this, you can do this, do this, you can do this, you can do this. And my sense is the vision of that you can do this is only created because you have the capability. \n\nDean: It's the chicken and the egg. \n\nDan: Yeah, but usually the chicken is nearby. In other words, it's something you can do today, you can do tomorrow, but the vision can be yours out. You know the vision, and my sense is that capabilities are more readily available than vision. Okay, and I'm making a distinction here, I'm not seeing the capability as a vision, I'm seeing that as just something that's in a very short timeframe, maybe a day, two days, you know, maximum I would say is 90 days and you achieve that. You start the quarter. You don't have the capability. You end the quarter you have the capability. \n\nDean: And once you have that capability. \n\nDan: all of a sudden, you can see a year out, you can see five years out. \n\nDean: I bet that's true because it's repeatable, maybe out. \n\nDan: I bet that's true because it's repeatable, maybe, so my sense is that focusing on capability automatically brings vision with it. \n\nDean: Would you say that a capability? Let's go all the way back to Gutenberg, for instance. Gutenberg created movable type right and a printing press that allowed you to bypass the whole scribing. You know, economy or the ecosystem right, all these scribes that were making handwritten copies of things. So you had had a capability, then you could call that right. \n\nDan: Well, what it bypassed was wood printing, where you had to carve the letters on a big flat sheet of wood and it was used just for one page containers and you could rearrange the letters in it and that's one page, and then you take the letters out and you rearrange another page. I think what he did, he didn't bypass the, he didn't bypass the. Well, he bypassed writing, basically you know because the monks were doing the writing, scribing, inscribing, so that bypassed. But what he bypassed was the laborious process of printing, because printing already existed. \n\nIt's just that it was done with wood prints. You had to carve it. You had to have the carvers. The carvers were very angry at Gutenberg. They had protests, they had protests. They closed down the local universities. Protests against this guy, gutenberg, who put all the carvers out of work. Yeah, yeah, so, yeah. \n\nDean: So then you have this capability and all of a sudden, europe goes crazy take vision and our, you know, newly defined progression of vision from a proposition to proof, to protocol, to property, that, if this was anything, any capability I believe has to start out with a vision, with a proposition. Hey, I bet that I could make cast letters that we could replace carving. That would be a proposition first, before it's a capability, right. So that would have to. I think you'd have to say that it all, it has, has to start with a vision. But I think that a vision is a good. I mean capabilities are a good, you know a good catalyst for vision, thinking about these things, how to improve them, what else does this, all the questions that come with a new capability, are really vision. They're all sparked by vision, right? Yeah, because what would Gutenberg? The progress that Gutenberg have to make is a proposition of. I bet I could cast individual letters, set up a little template, arrange them and then duplicate another page, use it, have it reusable. So let's get to work on that. \n\nDan: And then he proved. \n\nDean: The first time he printed a page he proved that, yeah, that does work. And then he sets up the protocol for it. Here's how we'll do it. Here's how. Here's the way we make these. Here's the molds for all these letters. He's created the protocol to create this printing press, the, the press, the printing press, and has it now as a capability that's available yeah well, we don't know that at all. \n\nDan: We don't know whether he first of all. We have no knowledge of gutenberg, except that he created the first movable type printing press. \n\nDean: Somebody had to have that. It had to start with the vision of it, the idea. It didn't just come fully formed right. Somebody had to have the proposition. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, we don't know. We don't know how it happened. He know he's a goldsmith, I mean, that was so. He was used to melding metals and putting them into forms and you know, probably somebody asked him can you make somebody's name? Can you print out? You know, can you print a, d, e, a and then N for me? And he did that and you know, at some point he said oh, oh, what if I do it with lead? What if? \n\nI do it with yeah, because gold is too soft, it won't stand up. But right, he did it with lead. Maybe he died of lead poisoning really fast, huh yeah, that's funny, we don't know, yeah, yeah, I think the steel, you know iron came in. You know they melted iron and everything like that, but we don't know much about it. \n\nBut I'll tell you the jump that I would say is the vision is that Martin Luther discovers printing and he says you know, we can bypass all the you know, control of information that the Catholic Church has. Now that's a vision. That's a vision Okay. That's a vision, okay, but I don't think Gutenberg had that. I mean, he doesn't play? \n\nDean: Definitely yeah, yeah, I know I think that any yeah, jumping off the platform of a capability. You know what my thought is in terms of the working genius model, that that's the distinction between wonder and invention. That wonder would be wonder what else we could do with this, or how we could improve this, or what this opens up for us. And invention might be the other side of creating something that doesn't exist. \n\nDan: I mean, if you go back to our London, you know our London encounter, where we each committed ourselves to writing a book in a week. \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: You did that, I did that. And then my pushing the idea was that I could do 100 books in 100 quarters. \n\nDean: Yeah, exactly. \n\nDan: Yeah, I mean, that's where it came from. I says, oh, you can create a book really fast to do that. And then I just put a bigger number and so I stayed within the capability. I just multiplied the number of times that I was going to do the capability. So is that a vision, or is that? What is that? Is that a vision? A hundred books, well, not just a capability right. \n\nDean: I think that the fact that you, we both had a proposition write a book and we both then set up the protocols for that, you set up your team and your process and now you've got that formula. So you have a capability called a book, a quarter for 25 years you know that's definitely in the, that that's a capability. Now it's an asset your team, the way that you do it, the formatting, the everything about it. But the vision you have to apply a vision to that capability. Hamish isn't going to sit there and create cartoons out of nothing. Create cartoons out of nothing. You've got to give the idea. The vision is I bet I could write a book on casting, not hiring, how I'm planning on living to 156. So you've got your applying vision against that capability, yeah. \n\nDan: It's interesting because I don't go too far out of the realm of my capabilities when I project into the future. Yeah, so, for example, we did the three books with Ben Hardy, you know and great success, great success. \n\nAnd then we were going further and Hay House, the publisher, started to call us, you know, after we had written our last book in 23, around the beginning of 20, usually six months after. They want to know is there another book coming? Because they're filling up their forward schedule and they do about 90 books and they do about 90 books a year. And so they want to know do we have another one from you? And we said no not really. \n\nBut then when I did Casting Not Hiring as a small book, and I did Casting Not Hiring as a small book to write a small book, in other words, I'd committed myself to 100 books and this was number 38. I think this was in the 38th quarter. And then Jeff Madoff and I were talking and I said you know, I think this Hay House keeps asking us for another book. I think this is probably it and we sent it to them. I think it was on a Thursday. We had a meeting with them the next Wednesday, which is really fast. It's like six days later I get a meeting and they love it, and about two weeks later the go-ahead came from the publisher that we were going to go with that book. Two weeks later, the go-ahead came from the publisher that we were going to go with that book. \n\nAnd so I've developed another capability that if you write a small book, it's easy to get a big book. Yeah. So that's where the capabilities develop now. Now when I'm writing a new quarterly book, I'm saying is this a big book? Is this a big book? Is this the yeah? \n\nDean: well, I would argue that you know that you've established a reach relationship with Hay House. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, because they're a big multiplier. \n\nDean: That's exactly right. So you've got the vision of I want to do a book on casting, not hiring. I have the capability already in place to do the little book and now you've established a reach partnership with Hay House that they're the multiplier in all of this right Vision plus capability, multiplied by reach. And so those relationships that you know, those relationships that you have, are definitely a reach asset that you have because you've established that you know and you're a known quantity to them. You know. \n\nDan: Yeah, well, they are now with the. You know the success of the first three books, yeah, but it's really interesting because I I don't push my mind too much further than that which I can. Actually, you know, like now I'm working on the big book with jeff jeff nettoff and with the first draft, complete draft, to be in a 26, and we're on schedule. We're on schedule for that. You know. So you know. \n\nBut I don't have any aspirations. You know you drop this as a sentence. You know you want to change things. I actually don't want to change things. I just want to continue doing what I'm doing but have it more productive and more profitable. Is that a vision? I guess that's a vision. \n\nDean: Yeah, I mean that's certainly, certainly. I think that part of this is that staying in your unique ability right, you're not fretting about what the you've made this relationship with a house and that gives you that reach, but there's nothing you're and they were purchased. \n\nDan: They were purchased by random house, so they have massive bar reach. \n\nDean: Wow yeah. \n\nDan: I don't know what the exact nature of their relationship is but things take a little bit slower backstage at their end now, I've noticed as we go through, because they're dealing with a monstrous big operation, but I suspect the reach is better. Yeah, once it happens, right. \n\nDean: And resources. Yeah, yeah, cash as capability, that's a big, you know that was a really good. That's been a big. Distinction too is the value of cash as a capability. Cash for the c, yeah, a lot, as well as cash for the k. But cash for the c specifically is a wonderful capability because with cash you can buy it solves a lot of problems. You can buy all the vision, capability and reach. That was a lot of problems. It really does. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was out at dinner last night with Ken and Nancy, harlan you know, you know Ken, and and we were talking. He was talking about he's. He's 30, 33rd year and coach and he started in 92. And coach, and he started in 92 and and he he was just talking about how he has totally a self-managing company and you know he has great free days, and you know he just focuses on his own unique ability. You know so a lot of strategic coach boxes to check off there and he was talking and he was saying that he's been going to some other 10 times workshops. \n\nYou know where people are and he spoke about someone who's actually a performer musical performer and he just saw himself as back in 1996 or 1997 as the other person spoke, and and, and he asked me the question he says when is the crossover when you stop being a rugged individualist and then you actually have great teamwork around you? \n\nDean: And I said it's a really interesting question. \n\nDan: I said it's when it occurs to you, based on your experience, that trusting other people is a lot less expensive than not trusting them. \n\nDean: Right, that's a good distinction, right. That people often feel like I think that's the big block is that nobody trusts anybody to do it the way they would do it or as good as they can do it or they don't have it. \n\nYou know, I think, even on the vision side, they may have proof of things, but they're the only one that knows the recipe. They haven't protocol and package to, you know, and I think that's really, I think, a job description or a you know, being able to define what a role is, you know, I think it's just hiring people isn't the answer, unless you have that capability, that new person now equipped with a, with a vision of what they, what their role is. \n\nDan: You know yeah, yeah, I said it's also been my experience that trust comes easier when the cash is good. I think that's true right? \n\nDean: Yeah, but they're not. I think that's really. \n\nDan: I think the reason is you have enough money to pay for your mistakes. \n\nDean: Yes, exactly, cash confidence. Yeah, it goes a long way. \n\nDan: Yeah, I was thinking about Trump's reach. First of all, I think the president of the United States, automatically, regardless of who it is, has a lot of reach. Yes, for sure. Excuse me, sir, it's the president of the United States phoning. Do you take the call or don't take the call? I think you're right, yeah, absolutely. Take the call or don't take the call. I think you're right, yeah, absolutely. He says he's just imposed a 25% tariff on all your products coming into the United States. \n\nDean: Do you care about that or do you not care about it? I suspect you care about it. I suspect. Imagine if he had a, you know if yeah, there was a 25% tariff on all strategic coach enrollments or members. \n\nDan: Yeah Well, that's an interesting thing. None of this affects services. \n\nDean: Right. \n\nDan: Yeah, Because it's hard to measure Well first of all, it's hard to detect and the other thing, it's hard to measure what actually happened. This is an interesting discussion. The invisibility of the service world. \n\nDean: Yeah, it's true, right. And also the knowledge you know like coming into something, whatever you know, your brain and something going across borders is a very different. \n\nDan: Yeah it's very interesting. The Globe and Mail had an article it was in January, I think it was and it showed the top 10 companies in Canada that had gotten patents and the number of patents for the past 12 months, and I think TD Bank was 240, 240. And that sounds impressive, until you realize that a company like Google or Apple would have had 10,000 new patents over the previous 12 months. \n\nDean: Yeah, it's crazy right. \n\nDan: Patent after patent. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: And my sense is, if you measure the imbalance in trade let's say the United States versus Canada there's a trade deficit. Trade. Let's say the United States versus Canada there's a trade deficit. Canada sells more into the United States than the United States sells into Canada, but that's only talking about products. I bet the United States sells far more services into Canada than Canada does into the United States. I bet you're right. Yeah, and I bet the services are more profitable. \n\nYeah so for example, apple Watches, the construction of Apple Watches, which happens outside of the United States. Nobody makes a profit. Nobody makes a profit. They can pay for a job, but they don't actually make a profit. All they can do is pay for jobs. China can only pay for jobs, thailand, all the other countries they can only pay. \n\nAnd when it gets back, you know you complete the complete loop. From the idea of the Apple Watch as it goes out into the world and it's constructed and brought back into the United States. All the profit is in the United States. All the profit is in the United States. The greatest profit is actually the design of the Apple Watch, which is all done in the United States. So I think this tariff thing is coming along at an interesting period. It's that products as such are less and less an important part of the economy. \n\nDean: Yeah Well, I've often wondered that, like you know, we're certainly, we're definitely at a point where they were in the economy, where you could get something from. You know. You know I mean facebook and google and youtube. You know all of these companies there's. No, they wouldn't have anything that shows up on any balance sheet of physical goods. You know, it's all just ones and zeros. \n\nDan: Yeah. I mean it doesn't happen anymore, but because we have. You know, nexus, when Babs and I crossed the border, we have trusted, trusted traveler coming this way which also requires us that we look into a camera and then go and check in to the official and he looks at us and all he wants to know is how many bags do you have that have? \n\nDean: been in. \n\nDan: And we tell him. That's all we tell him. He doesn't tell us anything we're bringing into the United States and he doesn't tell us anything we're bringing into the United States. And then, when we come back to Canada, we just have our Nexus card which goes into a machine, we look into a camera and a sheet of paper comes out. \n\nAnd the customs official or the immigration official, just you know, puts a red pen to it, which means that he saw it, and then you go out there. But you know, when we started, coach, we would have to go through a long line. We'd have our passport, and then the person would say what are you bringing? And then we'd have to fill in a card are you bringing this back into canada? \n\nDean: exactly, yeah, you remember the remember and what's the total. \n\nDan: You know the total price of everything that you purchased, everything. \n\nDean: And I used to think. \n\nDan: I said you know, I was in Chicago and I just came up with an idea. It's a million dollar idea. Do I declare that I had the good sense not to declare my million-dollar idea because then they would have taken me in the back room. You know, if I had said that, what are you? Why are you trying to screw around? \n\nDean: with our mind. You'll have to undergo a cavity search to. \n\nDan: So what I'm saying is that what's really valuable has become intangible more and more so just in the 30 years or so of so of coach you know that and it's like the patents. \n\nDean: you know we've had all the patents appraised and there's an asset value, but yeah, because this is an interesting thing that in the or 30 years ago you had to in order to spread an idea. You had to print booklets and tape. I remember the first thing what year did you do how the Best Get Better? That was one of the first things that you did, right? \n\nDan: Right around 2000 or so. In fact, you're catching me in a very vulnerable situation. That's okay. \n\nDean: I mean it had to be. \n\nDan: Okay. \n\nDean: But I think that whole idea of the entrepreneurial time system and unique ability, those things, I remember it being in a little container with the booklet and the cassette. \n\nDan: You know crazy, but that's but yeah, because I think it was. I think it was, was it a disc or a cassette, cassette? So yeah, well, that would have mid nineties. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's what I mean. I think that was my introduction to coach, that I saw that. \n\nDan: but amazing, right, but that just the distribution of stuff now that we have access yeah well, it just tells you that the how much the entire economy has changed in 30 years. From tangible to intangible, the value of things, the value of what do you? Value and where does it come from? \n\nDean: And yeah. \n\nDan: I think all of us in the thinking business. The forces are on our side, I agree. \n\nDean: That's such a great talking with Chad. Earlier this morning I was on my way to Honeycomb and I was thinking, you know, we've come to a point where we really it's like everything that we physically have to do is being kind of taken away. You know that we don't have to actually do anything. You know, I got in my car and I literally said, take me to Honeycomb, and the car drives itself to Honeycomb. And then, you know, I get out and I know exactly what I want, but I just show them my phone and the phone automatically, you know, apple Pay takes the money right out of my account. I don't have to do anything. I just think, man, we're moving into that. The friction between idea and execution is really disappearing. I think so. So the thing to be able to keep up, it's just collecting capabilities. Collecting capabilities is a. That's the conduit. You know, capabilities and tasks. \n\nDan: Well, it's yeah and it's really interesting. But we're also into a world where there's two types of thinking world. There is there's kind of a creative thinking world, where you're thinking about new things, and there's another world thinking about things, but you're just thinking about the things that already already exist yeah, my feeling is and usually that requires higher education college education you know, and all my feel is that they're the number one targets of AI is everybody who does a lot of thinking, but it's not creative thinking. Ai will replace whatever they're doing. \n\nAnd my sense is that this is why the Doge thing is so devastating to government. I mean, I'll just test this out on you. Elon Musk and his team send every federal employee and at the start of the year there were 2.4 million federal government employees and that excludes the, the military. So the military is not part of that 2.4 million and the post office is not part of those are excluded from. Everybody else is included in there. And he sent out a letter he says could just return by return email. Tell us the five things that you did last week. And it was extraordinarily difficult for the federal employees to say what they did last. That would be understandable to someone who wasn't in their world. \n\nAnd I think the majority of them were meetings and reports, uh-huh. Yes, about what? About meetings and reports, uh-huh. \n\nDean: Yes, about what? About meetings and reports yeah, we had the meeting about the report. \n\nDan: Yeah, and then scheduled another meeting To discuss the further follow-up of the report. \n\nDean: Yeah, At least in the entrepreneurial world the things are about you know, yeah. \n\nDan: I mean if you said I sent the memo to you and said, dean Jackson, please tell me it would be interesting stuff that you wrote back. I mean the stuff that you wrote back and you say just five, just five. You know, I can tell you 15 things I did last week, you know, and each of them would be probably an interesting subject. It would be an interesting topic is the division between that bureaucratic world. The guess coming out of the Doge project is if we fired half of federal government employees, it wouldn't be noticed by the taxpayers. \n\nDean: Right, it's like a big Jenga puzzle. \n\nDan: How many can? \n\nDean: we pull out before it all crumbles. \n\nDan: Yeah, because there's been virtually no complaints, like all the pension checks came when they should. All the you know everything like that. The Medicare, everything came. \n\nDean: But what? \n\nDan: they found and this is the one, this is the end joke here that they just went to the Small Business Administration and they examined $600 million worth of loans last year and 300 million of them went to children 11 years or younger who had a Social Security number. \n\nDean: Is that true? \n\nDan: Yeah, and 300 million went to Americans older than 120 who had an active Social Security number. \n\nDean: Wow, now, that's just. \n\nDan: Yeah, but that $600 million went to somebody. \n\n0:48:51 - Dean:\nYeah, it went somewhere. \n\nDan: right, they were checks and they went to individuals who had this name and they had Social Security number. We had this name and they had social security number and those individuals don't those individuals. The person receiving the check is not the individual who it was written to. So that's like 600 million. Yeah, and they're just finding this all over the place. These amazing amounts of money and the Treasury Department last year couldn't account for $1.2 trillion. \n\nDean: They couldn't account for where it went.2 trillion, you know. \n\nDan: You know, that seems dr evo's one trillion exactly. Yeah, well, it's going somewhere, and if they cut it off, I bet those people are noticed yeah, I bet you're right, I think there's. This is the great audit we're in the age of the great. We're in the age of the great audit. Anyway, I have daniel white waiting for me, okay this was a good one, daniel yeah, it was good, this was a good one. This tangibility thing is really an interesting subject and intangibility Absolutely. \n\nDean: All right, thank you, dan. Say hi to Daniel for me Next week. \n\nDan: I'm booked socially all day, so take a two-week break. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we start by unraveling the intriguing concept of global time zones. We humorously ponder the idea of a unified world clock, inspired by China\u0026#39;s singular time zone. The discussion expands to how people in countries like Iceland adapt to extreme daylight variations and the impact of climate change narratives that often overlook local experiences.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe then explore the power of perception and emotion in shaping our reactions to world events. The conversation delves into how algorithms on platforms shape personal experiences and the choice to opt out of traditional media in favor of a more tailored information stream. The shift from curated media landscapes to algorithm-driven platforms is another key topic, highlighting the challenges of navigating personalized information environments.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eFinally, we tackle the critical issue of government financial accountability. We humorously consider where vast sums of unaccounted-for money might go, reflecting on the importance of financial transparency. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul style=\"list-style-type: circle;\"\u003e\n\u003c/center\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eIn the episode, Dan and I explore the concept of a unified global time zone, drawing inspiration from China's singular time zone. We discuss the potential advantages and disadvantages of such a system, including the adaptability of people living in areas with extreme daylight variations like Iceland.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe delve into the complexities of climate change narratives, highlighting how they often lack local context and focus on global measurements, which can lead to stress and anxiety due to information overload without agency.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eThe power of perception and emotion is a focal point, as we discuss how reactions are often influenced by personal feelings and past experiences rather than actual events. This is compared to the idealization of celebrities through curated information.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eOur conversation examines the shift from curated media landscapes to algorithm-driven platforms, emphasizing how algorithms shape personal experiences and the challenges of researching topics like tariffs in a personalized information environment.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe discuss the dynamic between vision and capability in innovation, using historical examples like Gutenberg's printing press to illustrate how existing capabilities can spark visionary ideas.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eThe episode explores the complexities of international trade, particularly the shift from tangible products to intangible services, and the challenges of tracking these shifts across borders.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe address the issue of government financial accountability, referencing the $1.2 trillion unaccounted for last year, and the need for financial transparency and accountability in the current era.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Sullivan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, and I forgot my time zones there almost for a second. Are you in Chicago? Yeah, you know. Why can\u0026#39;t we just all be in the same time zone? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I know that\u0026#39;s what China does. Yeah, Well, that\u0026#39;s a reason not to do it. Then you know, I learned that little tidbit from we publish something and it\u0026#39;s a reason not to do it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e then that was. You know I learned that little tidbit from. We publish something and it\u0026#39;s a postcard for, you know, realtors and financial advisors or business owners to send to their clients as a monthly kind of postcard newsletter, and so every month it has all kinds of interesting facts and whatnot, and one of them that I heard on there is, even though China should have six time zones, they only have one. That\u0026#39;s kind of an interesting thing. Imagine if the. United States had all one time zone, that would be great. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think there would be advantages and disadvantages, regardless of what your time system is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that\u0026#39;d be like anything really, you know, think about that. In California it would get light super early and we\u0026#39;d be off a good dock really early too we\u0026#39;d be off and get docked really early too. Yeah, I spent a couple of summers in Iceland, where it gets 24 hours of light. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know June 20th and it\u0026#39;s. I mean, it\u0026#39;s disruptive if you\u0026#39;re just arriving there, but I talked to Icelanders and they don\u0026#39;t really think about it. It\u0026#39;s, you know, part of the year it\u0026#39;s completely light all day and part of the year it\u0026#39;s dark all day. And then they\u0026#39;ve adjusted to it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It happens in Finland and Norway and Alaska. We\u0026#39;re adaptable, dan, we\u0026#39;re very adaptable. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And those that aren\u0026#39;t move away or die. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I heard somebody was talking today about. It was a video that I saw online. They were mentioning climate change, global warming, and that they say that global warming is the measurement is against what? Since when? Is the question to ask, because the things that they\u0026#39;re talking about are since 1850, right, it\u0026#39;s warmed by 0.6 degrees Celsius since 1850. We\u0026#39;ve had three periods of warming and since you know, the medieval warming and the Roman warming, we\u0026#39;re actually down by five degrees. So it\u0026#39;s like such a so when somebody says that we\u0026#39;re global warming, the temperature is global warming and the question is since when? That\u0026#39;s the real question to ask. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think with those who are alarmist regarding temperature and climate. They have two big problems. They\u0026#39;re language problems, Not so much language, but contextual problems. Nobody experiences global. That\u0026#39;s exactly right. The other thing is nobody experiences climate. What we experience is local weather. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so nobody in the world has ever experienced either global or climate. You just experience whatever the weather is within a mile of you you know within a mile of you. That\u0026#39;s basically and it\u0026#39;s hard to it\u0026#39;s hard to sell a theory. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That, you know. That ties in with kind of the idea we were talking about last week that the you know, our brains are not equipped, we\u0026#39;re not supposed to have omniscience or know of all of the things that are happening all over the world, of all of the things that are happening all over the world, where only our brains are built to, you know, be aware of and adapt to what\u0026#39;s happening in our own proximity and with the people in our world. Our top 150 and yeah, that\u0026#39;s what that\u0026#39;s the rap thing is that we\u0026#39;re, you know, we\u0026#39;re having access to everybody and everything at a rate that we\u0026#39;re not access to everybody and everything at a rate that we\u0026#39;re not supposed to Like. Even when you look back at you know, I\u0026#39;ve thought about this, like since the internet, if you think about since the 90s, like you know, my growing up, my whole lens on the world was really a, you know, toronto, the GTA lens and being part of Canada. That was really most of our outlook. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then, because of our proximity to the United States, of course we had access to all the US programming and all that stuff, but you know, you mostly hear it was all the local Buffalo programming. That was. They always used to lead off with. There was a lot of fires in Tonawanda, it seemed happening in Buffalo, because everything was fire in North Tonawanda. It still met 11. And that was whole thing. We were either listening to the CBC or listening to eyewitness news in Buffalo, yeah. But now, and you had to seek out to know what was going on in Chicago, the only time you would have a massive scale was happening in Chicago. Right, that made national news the tippy top of the thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I wonder if you said an interesting thing is that we have access to everyone and everything, but we never do it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s true we have access to the knowledge right Like it\u0026#39;s part of you know how, when you I was thinking about it, as you know how you define a mess right as an obligation without commitment that there\u0026#39;s some kind of information mess that we have is knowledge without agency? You know we have is knowledge without agency. You know we have no agency to do anything about any of these bad things that are happening. No, it\u0026#39;s out of our control. You know what are we going to do about what\u0026#39;s happening in Ukraine or Gaza or what we know about them? You know, or we know, everybody\u0026#39;s getting stabbed in London and you know you just hear you get all these things that fire off these anxiety things triggers. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s actually in our mind, yeah that\u0026#39;s exactly right, that our minds with access to that. That triggers off the hormone or the chemical responses you know that fire up the fight or flight or the anxiety or readiness. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s really interesting. I\u0026#39;ve been giving some thought to well, first of all, the perception of danger in the world, and what we\u0026#39;re responding to is not actual events. What we\u0026#39;re responding to is our feelings. Yes, that\u0026#39;s exactly right, yeah. You\u0026#39;ve just had an emotional change and you\u0026#39;re actually responding to your own emotions, which really aren\u0026#39;t that connected to what actually triggered your emotions. You know it might have been something that happened to you maybe 25 years ago. That was scary and that memory just got triggered by an event in the world. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and the same thing with celebrity. Celebrity because I\u0026#39;ve been thinking about celebrity for quite a long time and you know, each of us you and I, to a certain extent are a celebrity in certain circles, and what I think is responsible for that is that they\u0026#39;ve read something or heard something or heard somebody say something that has created an image of someone in their mind, but it\u0026#39;s at a distance, they don\u0026#39;t actually meet you at a distance. And the more that\u0026#39;s reinforced, but you never meet them the image of that person gets bigger and bigger in your mind. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut you\u0026#39;re not responding to the person. You\u0026#39;re responding just to something that you created in your mind. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think part of that is because you know if you see somebody on video or you hear somebody on audio or you see them written about in text, that those are. It\u0026#39;s kind of residue from you know it used to be the only people that would get written about or on tv or on the radio were no famous people yeah, famous, and so that\u0026#39;s kind of it. I think that the same yeah, everybody has access to that. Now Everybody has reach. You know to be to the meritocracy of that because it used to be curated, right that there was some, there were only, so somebody was making the decision on who got to be famous. Like that\u0026#39;s why people used to really want to own media. Like that\u0026#39;s why people used to really want to own media. That\u0026#39;s why all these powerful people wanted to own newspapers and television and radio stations, because they could control the messaging, control the media. You know? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s really interesting. Is it you that has the reach, or someone else has reach that\u0026#39;s impacting you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean I think that we all have it depends on whether you\u0026#39;re on the sending end or the receiving end of reach. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, like we\u0026#39;ve seen a shift in what happens, like even in the evolution of our ability to be able to consume. It started with our ability to consume content, like with all of those you know, with MP3s and videos, and you know, then YouTube was really the chance for everybody to post up. You know you could distribute, you had access to reach, and in the last 10 years, the shift has been that you had to in order to have reach, you had to get followers right. That were people would subscribe to your content or, you know, like your content on Facebook or be your friend or follower, and now we\u0026#39;ve shifted to every. That doesn\u0026#39;t really matter. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eEverything is algorithmic now. It\u0026#39;s like you don\u0026#39;t have to go out and spread the word and gather people to you. Your content is being pushed to people. That\u0026#39;s how Stephen Paltrow can become, can reach millions of people, because his content is scratching an itch for millions of people who are, you know, seeking out fertility content, content, and that is being pushed to you. Now, that\u0026#39;s why you\u0026#39;re it\u0026#39;s all algorithm based, you know, and it\u0026#39;s so. It\u0026#39;s really interesting that it becomes this echo chamber, that you get more of what you respond to. So you know you\u0026#39;re get it. So it\u0026#39;s amazing how every person\u0026#39;s algorithm is very different, like what shows up on on things, and that\u0026#39;s kind of what you\u0026#39;ve really, you know, avoided is you\u0026#39;ve removed yourself from that. You choose not to participate, so you\u0026#39;re the 100%. Seek out what you\u0026#39;re looking for. It\u0026#39;s not being dictated to you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Not quite understanding that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well you have chosen that you don\u0026#39;t watch news. You don\u0026#39;t participate in social media. You don\u0026#39;t have an Instagram or anything like that where they\u0026#39;re observing what you\u0026#39;re watching and then dictating what you see next. You are an active like. You go select what you\u0026#39;re going to watch. Now you\u0026#39;ve chosen real clear politics as your curator of things, so that\u0026#39;s the jump. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Peter Zion. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But you\u0026#39;re self-directing your things by asking. You\u0026#39;re probably being introduced to things by the way. You interact with perplexity by asking it 10 ways. This is affecting this or the combination of this and this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I really don\u0026#39;t care what perplexity, you know what it would want to tell me about. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You just want to ask, you want to guide the way it responds. Yeah yeah, and that\u0026#39;s very it\u0026#39;s very powerful. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s very powerful. I mean, I\u0026#39;m just utterly pleased with what perplexity does for me. You know like you know, I just considered it. You know an additional capability that I have daily, that you know I can be informed in a way that suits me, like I was going over the tariffs. It was a little interesting on the tariff side because I asked a series of questions and it seemed to be avoiding what I was getting at. This is the first time I\u0026#39;ve really had that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo I said yeah, and I was asking about Canada and I said what tariffs did Canada have against the United States? I guess you can say against tariff, against before 2025. And it said there were no retaliatory tariffs against the United States before 2025. And I said I didn\u0026#39;t ask about retaliatory tariffs, I asked about tariffs, you know. And that said, well, there were no reciprocal tariffs before 2025. And I said, no, I want to know what tariffs. And then this said there was softwood and there was dairy products, and you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI finally got to it. I finally got to it and I haven\u0026#39;t really thought about it, because it was just about an hour ago that I did it and I said why did it avoid my question? I didn\u0026#39;t. I mean, it\u0026#39;s really good at knowing exactly what you\u0026#39;re saying. Why did it throw a couple of other things in there? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, misdirection, right, or kind of. Maybe it\u0026#39;s because what, maybe it\u0026#39;s because it\u0026#39;s the temperature. You know of what the zeitgeist is saying. What are people searching about? And I think maybe those, a lot of the words that they\u0026#39;re saying, are. You know, the words are really important. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Not having a modifier for a tariff puts you in a completely different, and those tariffs have been in place for 50 or 60 years. So the interesting thing about it. By the way, 50 countries are now negotiating with the United States to remove tariffs how interesting. And he announced it on Wednesday. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e He just wanted to have a conversation with you and wanted to get your attention. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, wanted to get your attention. Yeah, have your attention, yeah, okay, let\u0026#39;s talk about this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah and everything. But other than that, I\u0026#39;m just utterly pleased with what it can do to fashion your thoughts, fashion your writing and everything else. I think it\u0026#39;s a terrific tool. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve been having a lot of conversations around these bots. Like you know, people are hot on creating bots now like a Dan bot. Creating bots now like a Dan bot. Like oh Dan, you could say you\u0026#39;ve got so many podcasts and so much content and so many recordings of you, let\u0026#39;s put it all in and train up Dan bot and then people could ask they\u0026#39;d have access to you as an AI. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, the way I do it. I ask them to send me a check and then they could. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But I wonder the thing about it that most of the things that I think are the limitations of that are that it\u0026#39;s not how to even take advantage of that, because they don\u0026#39;t know what you know to be able to, of that. Because they\u0026#39;re bringing it, they don\u0026#39;t know what you know to be able to access that you know and how it affects them you know. I first I got that sense when somebody came. They were very excited that they had trained up a Napoleon Hill bot and AI and you can ask Napoleon anything and I thought, thought you know, but people don\u0026#39;t know what to ask. I\u0026#39;d rather have Napoleon ask me questions and coach me. You know like I think that would be much more useful is to have Napoleon Hill kind of ask me questions, engage where I am and then make you know, then feed me his thinking about that. If the goal is to facilitate change, you know, or to give people an advantage, I don\u0026#39;t know. It just seems like we\u0026#39;re very limited. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, you know, my attitude is to increase the engagement with people I\u0026#39;m already engaged with. Yeah, like I don\u0026#39;t feel I\u0026#39;m missing anyone, you know? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI never feel like I\u0026#39;m missing someone in the world you know, or somehow my life is deficient because I\u0026#39;m not talking to 10 times more people that I\u0026#39;m talking to now, because I\u0026#39;m not really missing anything. I\u0026#39;m fully engaged. I mean, eight different podcast series is about the maximum that I can do, so I don\u0026#39;t really need any. But to increase the engagement of the podcast, that would be a goal, because it\u0026#39;s available. I don\u0026#39;t. I don\u0026#39;t wish for things, that is, that aren\u0026#39;t accessible you know, and it\u0026#39;s very interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI was going to talk to you about this subject, but more and more I\u0026#39;ve got a new tool that I put together. I don\u0026#39;t think you have vision before you have capability. Okay, say more Now. What I mean by that is think of a situation where you suddenly thought hey, I can do this new thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd you do the new thing and satisfy yourself that it\u0026#39;s new and it\u0026#39;s useful, and then all of a sudden your brain says, hey, with this new thing, you can do this, you can do this, you can do this, do this, you can do this, you can do this. And my sense is the vision of that you can do this is only created because you have the capability. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s the chicken and the egg. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but usually the chicken is nearby. In other words, it\u0026#39;s something you can do today, you can do tomorrow, but the vision can be yours out. You know the vision, and my sense is that capabilities are more readily available than vision. Okay, and I\u0026#39;m making a distinction here, I\u0026#39;m not seeing the capability as a vision, I\u0026#39;m seeing that as just something that\u0026#39;s in a very short timeframe, maybe a day, two days, you know, maximum I would say is 90 days and you achieve that. You start the quarter. You don\u0026#39;t have the capability. You end the quarter you have the capability. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And once you have that capability. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e all of a sudden, you can see a year out, you can see five years out. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I bet that\u0026#39;s true because it\u0026#39;s repeatable, maybe out. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I bet that\u0026#39;s true because it\u0026#39;s repeatable, maybe, so my sense is that focusing on capability automatically brings vision with it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Would you say that a capability? Let\u0026#39;s go all the way back to Gutenberg, for instance. Gutenberg created movable type right and a printing press that allowed you to bypass the whole scribing. You know, economy or the ecosystem right, all these scribes that were making handwritten copies of things. So you had had a capability, then you could call that right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, what it bypassed was wood printing, where you had to carve the letters on a big flat sheet of wood and it was used just for one page containers and you could rearrange the letters in it and that\u0026#39;s one page, and then you take the letters out and you rearrange another page. I think what he did, he didn\u0026#39;t bypass the, he didn\u0026#39;t bypass the. Well, he bypassed writing, basically you know because the monks were doing the writing, scribing, inscribing, so that bypassed. But what he bypassed was the laborious process of printing, because printing already existed. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s just that it was done with wood prints. You had to carve it. You had to have the carvers. The carvers were very angry at Gutenberg. They had protests, they had protests. They closed down the local universities. Protests against this guy, gutenberg, who put all the carvers out of work. Yeah, yeah, so, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So then you have this capability and all of a sudden, europe goes crazy take vision and our, you know, newly defined progression of vision from a proposition to proof, to protocol, to property, that, if this was anything, any capability I believe has to start out with a vision, with a proposition. Hey, I bet that I could make cast letters that we could replace carving. That would be a proposition first, before it\u0026#39;s a capability, right. So that would have to. I think you\u0026#39;d have to say that it all, it has, has to start with a vision. But I think that a vision is a good. I mean capabilities are a good, you know a good catalyst for vision, thinking about these things, how to improve them, what else does this, all the questions that come with a new capability, are really vision. They\u0026#39;re all sparked by vision, right? Yeah, because what would Gutenberg? The progress that Gutenberg have to make is a proposition of. I bet I could cast individual letters, set up a little template, arrange them and then duplicate another page, use it, have it reusable. So let\u0026#39;s get to work on that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And then he proved. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e The first time he printed a page he proved that, yeah, that does work. And then he sets up the protocol for it. Here\u0026#39;s how we\u0026#39;ll do it. Here\u0026#39;s how. Here\u0026#39;s the way we make these. Here\u0026#39;s the molds for all these letters. He\u0026#39;s created the protocol to create this printing press, the, the press, the printing press, and has it now as a capability that\u0026#39;s available yeah well, we don\u0026#39;t know that at all. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We don\u0026#39;t know whether he first of all. We have no knowledge of gutenberg, except that he created the first movable type printing press. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Somebody had to have that. It had to start with the vision of it, the idea. It didn\u0026#39;t just come fully formed right. Somebody had to have the proposition. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, we don\u0026#39;t know. We don\u0026#39;t know how it happened. He know he\u0026#39;s a goldsmith, I mean, that was so. He was used to melding metals and putting them into forms and you know, probably somebody asked him can you make somebody\u0026#39;s name? Can you print out? You know, can you print a, d, e, a and then N for me? And he did that and you know, at some point he said oh, oh, what if I do it with lead? What if? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI do it with yeah, because gold is too soft, it won\u0026#39;t stand up. But right, he did it with lead. Maybe he died of lead poisoning really fast, huh yeah, that\u0026#39;s funny, we don\u0026#39;t know, yeah, yeah, I think the steel, you know iron came in. You know they melted iron and everything like that, but we don\u0026#39;t know much about it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut I\u0026#39;ll tell you the jump that I would say is the vision is that Martin Luther discovers printing and he says you know, we can bypass all the you know, control of information that the Catholic Church has. Now that\u0026#39;s a vision. That\u0026#39;s a vision Okay. That\u0026#39;s a vision, okay, but I don\u0026#39;t think Gutenberg had that. I mean, he doesn\u0026#39;t play? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Definitely yeah, yeah, I know I think that any yeah, jumping off the platform of a capability. You know what my thought is in terms of the working genius model, that that\u0026#39;s the distinction between wonder and invention. That wonder would be wonder what else we could do with this, or how we could improve this, or what this opens up for us. And invention might be the other side of creating something that doesn\u0026#39;t exist. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, if you go back to our London, you know our London encounter, where we each committed ourselves to writing a book in a week. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You did that, I did that. And then my pushing the idea was that I could do 100 books in 100 quarters. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean, that\u0026#39;s where it came from. I says, oh, you can create a book really fast to do that. And then I just put a bigger number and so I stayed within the capability. I just multiplied the number of times that I was going to do the capability. So is that a vision, or is that? What is that? Is that a vision? A hundred books, well, not just a capability right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that the fact that you, we both had a proposition write a book and we both then set up the protocols for that, you set up your team and your process and now you\u0026#39;ve got that formula. So you have a capability called a book, a quarter for 25 years you know that\u0026#39;s definitely in the, that that\u0026#39;s a capability. Now it\u0026#39;s an asset your team, the way that you do it, the formatting, the everything about it. But the vision you have to apply a vision to that capability. Hamish isn\u0026#39;t going to sit there and create cartoons out of nothing. Create cartoons out of nothing. You\u0026#39;ve got to give the idea. The vision is I bet I could write a book on casting, not hiring, how I\u0026#39;m planning on living to 156. So you\u0026#39;ve got your applying vision against that capability, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s interesting because I don\u0026#39;t go too far out of the realm of my capabilities when I project into the future. Yeah, so, for example, we did the three books with Ben Hardy, you know and great success, great success. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then we were going further and Hay House, the publisher, started to call us, you know, after we had written our last book in 23, around the beginning of 20, usually six months after. They want to know is there another book coming? Because they\u0026#39;re filling up their forward schedule and they do about 90 books and they do about 90 books a year. And so they want to know do we have another one from you? And we said no not really. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut then when I did Casting Not Hiring as a small book, and I did Casting Not Hiring as a small book to write a small book, in other words, I\u0026#39;d committed myself to 100 books and this was number 38. I think this was in the 38th quarter. And then Jeff Madoff and I were talking and I said you know, I think this Hay House keeps asking us for another book. I think this is probably it and we sent it to them. I think it was on a Thursday. We had a meeting with them the next Wednesday, which is really fast. It\u0026#39;s like six days later I get a meeting and they love it, and about two weeks later the go-ahead came from the publisher that we were going to go with that book. Two weeks later, the go-ahead came from the publisher that we were going to go with that book. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd so I\u0026#39;ve developed another capability that if you write a small book, it\u0026#39;s easy to get a big book. Yeah. So that\u0026#39;s where the capabilities develop now. Now when I\u0026#39;m writing a new quarterly book, I\u0026#39;m saying is this a big book? Is this a big book? Is this the yeah? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e well, I would argue that you know that you\u0026#39;ve established a reach relationship with Hay House. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, because they\u0026#39;re a big multiplier. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s exactly right. So you\u0026#39;ve got the vision of I want to do a book on casting, not hiring. I have the capability already in place to do the little book and now you\u0026#39;ve established a reach partnership with Hay House that they\u0026#39;re the multiplier in all of this right Vision plus capability, multiplied by reach. And so those relationships that you know, those relationships that you have, are definitely a reach asset that you have because you\u0026#39;ve established that you know and you\u0026#39;re a known quantity to them. You know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, they are now with the. You know the success of the first three books, yeah, but it\u0026#39;s really interesting because I I don\u0026#39;t push my mind too much further than that which I can. Actually, you know, like now I\u0026#39;m working on the big book with jeff jeff nettoff and with the first draft, complete draft, to be in a 26, and we\u0026#39;re on schedule. We\u0026#39;re on schedule for that. You know. So you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut I don\u0026#39;t have any aspirations. You know you drop this as a sentence. You know you want to change things. I actually don\u0026#39;t want to change things. I just want to continue doing what I\u0026#39;m doing but have it more productive and more profitable. Is that a vision? I guess that\u0026#39;s a vision. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean that\u0026#39;s certainly, certainly. I think that part of this is that staying in your unique ability right, you\u0026#39;re not fretting about what the you\u0026#39;ve made this relationship with a house and that gives you that reach, but there\u0026#39;s nothing you\u0026#39;re and they were purchased. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They were purchased by random house, so they have massive bar reach. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t know what the exact nature of their relationship is but things take a little bit slower backstage at their end now, I\u0026#39;ve noticed as we go through, because they\u0026#39;re dealing with a monstrous big operation, but I suspect the reach is better. Yeah, once it happens, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And resources. Yeah, yeah, cash as capability, that\u0026#39;s a big, you know that was a really good. That\u0026#39;s been a big. Distinction too is the value of cash as a capability. Cash for the c, yeah, a lot, as well as cash for the k. But cash for the c specifically is a wonderful capability because with cash you can buy it solves a lot of problems. You can buy all the vision, capability and reach. That was a lot of problems. It really does. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was out at dinner last night with Ken and Nancy, harlan you know, you know Ken, and and we were talking. He was talking about he\u0026#39;s. He\u0026#39;s 30, 33rd year and coach and he started in 92. And coach, and he started in 92 and and he he was just talking about how he has totally a self-managing company and you know he has great free days, and you know he just focuses on his own unique ability. You know so a lot of strategic coach boxes to check off there and he was talking and he was saying that he\u0026#39;s been going to some other 10 times workshops. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know where people are and he spoke about someone who\u0026#39;s actually a performer musical performer and he just saw himself as back in 1996 or 1997 as the other person spoke, and and, and he asked me the question he says when is the crossover when you stop being a rugged individualist and then you actually have great teamwork around you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And I said it\u0026#39;s a really interesting question. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I said it\u0026#39;s when it occurs to you, based on your experience, that trusting other people is a lot less expensive than not trusting them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, that\u0026#39;s a good distinction, right. That people often feel like I think that\u0026#39;s the big block is that nobody trusts anybody to do it the way they would do it or as good as they can do it or they don\u0026#39;t have it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, I think, even on the vision side, they may have proof of things, but they\u0026#39;re the only one that knows the recipe. They haven\u0026#39;t protocol and package to, you know, and I think that\u0026#39;s really, I think, a job description or a you know, being able to define what a role is, you know, I think it\u0026#39;s just hiring people isn\u0026#39;t the answer, unless you have that capability, that new person now equipped with a, with a vision of what they, what their role is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know yeah, yeah, I said it\u0026#39;s also been my experience that trust comes easier when the cash is good. I think that\u0026#39;s true right? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but they\u0026#39;re not. I think that\u0026#39;s really. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think the reason is you have enough money to pay for your mistakes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, exactly, cash confidence. Yeah, it goes a long way. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I was thinking about Trump\u0026#39;s reach. First of all, I think the president of the United States, automatically, regardless of who it is, has a lot of reach. Yes, for sure. Excuse me, sir, it\u0026#39;s the president of the United States phoning. Do you take the call or don\u0026#39;t take the call? I think you\u0026#39;re right, yeah, absolutely. Take the call or don\u0026#39;t take the call. I think you\u0026#39;re right, yeah, absolutely. He says he\u0026#39;s just imposed a 25% tariff on all your products coming into the United States. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you care about that or do you not care about it? I suspect you care about it. I suspect. Imagine if he had a, you know if yeah, there was a 25% tariff on all strategic coach enrollments or members. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah Well, that\u0026#39;s an interesting thing. None of this affects services. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, Because it\u0026#39;s hard to measure Well first of all, it\u0026#39;s hard to detect and the other thing, it\u0026#39;s hard to measure what actually happened. This is an interesting discussion. The invisibility of the service world. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s true, right. And also the knowledge you know like coming into something, whatever you know, your brain and something going across borders is a very different. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah it\u0026#39;s very interesting. The Globe and Mail had an article it was in January, I think it was and it showed the top 10 companies in Canada that had gotten patents and the number of patents for the past 12 months, and I think TD Bank was 240, 240. And that sounds impressive, until you realize that a company like Google or Apple would have had 10,000 new patents over the previous 12 months. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s crazy right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Patent after patent. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And my sense is, if you measure the imbalance in trade let\u0026#39;s say the United States versus Canada there\u0026#39;s a trade deficit. Trade. Let\u0026#39;s say the United States versus Canada there\u0026#39;s a trade deficit. Canada sells more into the United States than the United States sells into Canada, but that\u0026#39;s only talking about products. I bet the United States sells far more services into Canada than Canada does into the United States. I bet you\u0026#39;re right. Yeah, and I bet the services are more profitable. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah so for example, apple Watches, the construction of Apple Watches, which happens outside of the United States. Nobody makes a profit. Nobody makes a profit. They can pay for a job, but they don\u0026#39;t actually make a profit. All they can do is pay for jobs. China can only pay for jobs, thailand, all the other countries they can only pay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd when it gets back, you know you complete the complete loop. From the idea of the Apple Watch as it goes out into the world and it\u0026#39;s constructed and brought back into the United States. All the profit is in the United States. All the profit is in the United States. The greatest profit is actually the design of the Apple Watch, which is all done in the United States. So I think this tariff thing is coming along at an interesting period. It\u0026#39;s that products as such are less and less an important part of the economy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah Well, I\u0026#39;ve often wondered that, like you know, we\u0026#39;re certainly, we\u0026#39;re definitely at a point where they were in the economy, where you could get something from. You know. You know I mean facebook and google and youtube. You know all of these companies there\u0026#39;s. No, they wouldn\u0026#39;t have anything that shows up on any balance sheet of physical goods. You know, it\u0026#39;s all just ones and zeros. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. I mean it doesn\u0026#39;t happen anymore, but because we have. You know, nexus, when Babs and I crossed the border, we have trusted, trusted traveler coming this way which also requires us that we look into a camera and then go and check in to the official and he looks at us and all he wants to know is how many bags do you have that have? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e been in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And we tell him. That\u0026#39;s all we tell him. He doesn\u0026#39;t tell us anything we\u0026#39;re bringing into the United States and he doesn\u0026#39;t tell us anything we\u0026#39;re bringing into the United States. And then, when we come back to Canada, we just have our Nexus card which goes into a machine, we look into a camera and a sheet of paper comes out. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd the customs official or the immigration official, just you know, puts a red pen to it, which means that he saw it, and then you go out there. But you know, when we started, coach, we would have to go through a long line. We\u0026#39;d have our passport, and then the person would say what are you bringing? And then we\u0026#39;d have to fill in a card are you bringing this back into canada? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e exactly, yeah, you remember the remember and what\u0026#39;s the total. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know the total price of everything that you purchased, everything. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And I used to think. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I said you know, I was in Chicago and I just came up with an idea. It\u0026#39;s a million dollar idea. Do I declare that I had the good sense not to declare my million-dollar idea because then they would have taken me in the back room. You know, if I had said that, what are you? Why are you trying to screw around? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e with our mind. You\u0026#39;ll have to undergo a cavity search to. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So what I\u0026#39;m saying is that what\u0026#39;s really valuable has become intangible more and more so just in the 30 years or so of so of coach you know that and it\u0026#39;s like the patents. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e you know we\u0026#39;ve had all the patents appraised and there\u0026#39;s an asset value, but yeah, because this is an interesting thing that in the or 30 years ago you had to in order to spread an idea. You had to print booklets and tape. I remember the first thing what year did you do how the Best Get Better? That was one of the first things that you did, right? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right around 2000 or so. In fact, you\u0026#39;re catching me in a very vulnerable situation. That\u0026#39;s okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean it had to be. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But I think that whole idea of the entrepreneurial time system and unique ability, those things, I remember it being in a little container with the booklet and the cassette. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know crazy, but that\u0026#39;s but yeah, because I think it was. I think it was, was it a disc or a cassette, cassette? So yeah, well, that would have mid nineties. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s what I mean. I think that was my introduction to coach, that I saw that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e but amazing, right, but that just the distribution of stuff now that we have access yeah well, it just tells you that the how much the entire economy has changed in 30 years. From tangible to intangible, the value of things, the value of what do you? Value and where does it come from? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think all of us in the thinking business. The forces are on our side, I agree. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s such a great talking with Chad. Earlier this morning I was on my way to Honeycomb and I was thinking, you know, we\u0026#39;ve come to a point where we really it\u0026#39;s like everything that we physically have to do is being kind of taken away. You know that we don\u0026#39;t have to actually do anything. You know, I got in my car and I literally said, take me to Honeycomb, and the car drives itself to Honeycomb. And then, you know, I get out and I know exactly what I want, but I just show them my phone and the phone automatically, you know, apple Pay takes the money right out of my account. I don\u0026#39;t have to do anything. I just think, man, we\u0026#39;re moving into that. The friction between idea and execution is really disappearing. I think so. So the thing to be able to keep up, it\u0026#39;s just collecting capabilities. Collecting capabilities is a. That\u0026#39;s the conduit. You know, capabilities and tasks. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it\u0026#39;s yeah and it\u0026#39;s really interesting. But we\u0026#39;re also into a world where there\u0026#39;s two types of thinking world. There is there\u0026#39;s kind of a creative thinking world, where you\u0026#39;re thinking about new things, and there\u0026#39;s another world thinking about things, but you\u0026#39;re just thinking about the things that already already exist yeah, my feeling is and usually that requires higher education college education you know, and all my feel is that they\u0026#39;re the number one targets of AI is everybody who does a lot of thinking, but it\u0026#39;s not creative thinking. Ai will replace whatever they\u0026#39;re doing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd my sense is that this is why the Doge thing is so devastating to government. I mean, I\u0026#39;ll just test this out on you. Elon Musk and his team send every federal employee and at the start of the year there were 2.4 million federal government employees and that excludes the, the military. So the military is not part of that 2.4 million and the post office is not part of those are excluded from. Everybody else is included in there. And he sent out a letter he says could just return by return email. Tell us the five things that you did last week. And it was extraordinarily difficult for the federal employees to say what they did last. That would be understandable to someone who wasn\u0026#39;t in their world. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I think the majority of them were meetings and reports, uh-huh. Yes, about what? About meetings and reports, uh-huh. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, about what? About meetings and reports yeah, we had the meeting about the report. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and then scheduled another meeting To discuss the further follow-up of the report. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, At least in the entrepreneurial world the things are about you know, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean if you said I sent the memo to you and said, dean Jackson, please tell me it would be interesting stuff that you wrote back. I mean the stuff that you wrote back and you say just five, just five. You know, I can tell you 15 things I did last week, you know, and each of them would be probably an interesting subject. It would be an interesting topic is the division between that bureaucratic world. The guess coming out of the Doge project is if we fired half of federal government employees, it wouldn\u0026#39;t be noticed by the taxpayers. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, it\u0026#39;s like a big Jenga puzzle. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e How many can? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e we pull out before it all crumbles. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, because there\u0026#39;s been virtually no complaints, like all the pension checks came when they should. All the you know everything like that. The Medicare, everything came. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But what? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e they found and this is the one, this is the end joke here that they just went to the Small Business Administration and they examined $600 million worth of loans last year and 300 million of them went to children 11 years or younger who had a Social Security number. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Is that true? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and 300 million went to Americans older than 120 who had an active Social Security number. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow, now, that\u0026#39;s just. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but that $600 million went to somebody. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e0:48:51 - \u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, it went somewhere. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e right, they were checks and they went to individuals who had this name and they had Social Security number. We had this name and they had social security number and those individuals don\u0026#39;t those individuals. The person receiving the check is not the individual who it was written to. So that\u0026#39;s like 600 million. Yeah, and they\u0026#39;re just finding this all over the place. These amazing amounts of money and the Treasury Department last year couldn\u0026#39;t account for $1.2 trillion. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e They couldn\u0026#39;t account for where it went.2 trillion, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, that seems dr evo\u0026#39;s one trillion exactly. Yeah, well, it\u0026#39;s going somewhere, and if they cut it off, I bet those people are noticed yeah, I bet you\u0026#39;re right, I think there\u0026#39;s. This is the great audit we\u0026#39;re in the age of the great. We\u0026#39;re in the age of the great audit. Anyway, I have daniel white waiting for me, okay this was a good one, daniel yeah, it was good, this was a good one. This tangibility thing is really an interesting subject and intangibility Absolutely. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e All right, thank you, dan. Say hi to Daniel for me Next week. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m booked socially all day, so take a two-week break. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we start by unraveling the intriguing concept of global time zones. We humorously ponder the idea of a unified world clock, inspired by China's singular time zone. The discussion expands to how people in countries like Iceland adapt to extreme daylight variations and the impact of climate change narratives that often overlook local experiences.\r\n\r\nWe then explore the power of perception and emotion in shaping our reactions to world events. The conversation delves into how algorithms on platforms shape personal experiences and the choice to opt out of traditional media in favor of a more tailored information stream. The shift from curated media landscapes to algorithm-driven platforms is another key topic, highlighting the challenges of navigating personalized information environments.\r\n\r\nFinally, we tackle the critical issue of government financial accountability. We humorously consider where vast sums of unaccounted-for money might go, reflecting on the importance of financial transparency. \r\n","date_published":"2025-04-09T10:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/2c7f503f-b54c-44a4-8716-9e9b3243f94b.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":48620708,"duration_in_seconds":3013}]},{"id":"6f2f5d47-743c-4063-a883-b39348e2616e","title":"Ep151: A Journey Through Technology and Personal Growth","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/151","content_text":"In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we start by discussing the unpredictable nature of Toronto's weather and its amusing impact on the city's spring arrival. We explore the evolution of Formula One pit stops, highlighting the remarkable advancements in efficiency over the decades. This sets the stage for a conversation with our guest, Chris Collins, who shares his insights on balancing fame and wealth below the need for personal security.\n\nNext, we delve into the intricacies of the VCR formula—proposition, proof, protocol, and property. I share my experiences from recent workshops, emphasizing the importance of transforming ideas into intellectual property. We explore cultural differences between Canada and the U.S. in securing property rights, highlighting the entrepreneurial spirit needed to protect one's innovations.\n\nWe then examine the role of AI in government efficiency, with Elon Musk's technologies revealing inefficiencies in civil services. The discussion covers the political and economic implications of misallocated funds and how the market's growing intolerance for waste pushes productivity and accountability to the forefront.\n\nFinally, we reflect on the transformative power of technological advancements, drawing parallels to historical innovations like the printing press. \n\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\n\n    We discussed the VCR formula—proposition, proof, protocol, and property—designed to enhance communication skills and protect innovations. This formula is aimed at helping entrepreneurs turn their unique abilities into valuable assets.\n    We touch on the unpredictable weather of Toronto and the humor associated with the arrival of spring were topics of discussion, offering a light-hearted start to the episode.\n    Dan and I share insights on the evolution of Formula One pit stops, showcasing human innovation and efficiency over time.\n    We examined the challenges faced by entrepreneurs in protecting their intellectual property and explored cultural contrasts between Canada and the U.S. regarding intellectual property rights.\n    The episode delved into the implications of AI in improving government efficiency, highlighting how technologies reveal civil service inefficiencies and drive accountability.\n    We reflected on the transformative power of historical innovations such as the printing press and electricity, drawing parallels to modern technological advancements.\n    The conversation concluded with reflections on personal growth, including insights from notable figures like Thomas Edison and Peter Drucker, and a preview of future discussions on aging and life experiences.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean: Mr Sullivan. \n\nDan: That feels better. \n\nDean: Welcome to Cloudlandia, yes. \n\nDan: Yes indeed. \n\nDean: Well, where in the world? \n\nDan: are you? \n\nDean: today, toronto. Oh, you're in Toronto. Okay, yeah, where are you? Yeah? \n\nDan: where are you? \n\nDean: I am in the courtyard at the Four Seasons Valhalla in my comfy white couch. In perfect, I would give it 73 degree weather right now. \n\nDan: Yes, well, we're right at that crossover between middle winter and late winter. \n\nDean: You never know what you're going to get. It could snow or it could be. You may need your bikini, your Speedo or something. \n\nDan: I think spring in Toronto happens, I think somewhere around May 23rd, I think somewhere around. May 23rd, and it's the night when the city workers put all the leaves on the trees. \n\nDean: You never know what you're going to get. Until then, right, it just might snow, and they're stealthy. \n\nDan: They're stealthy and you know, I think they rehearse. You know, starting in February, march, april, they start rehearsing. You know how fast can we get all the leaves on the trees and they do it all in one night they do it and all. I mean they're faster than Santa Claus. I mean they're. \n\nDean: Have you seen, Dan? There's a wonderful video on YouTube that is a comparison of a Formula One pit stop from the 1950s versus the 2013 Formula One in Melbourne, and it was so funny to show. \n\nDan: It would be even faster today. \n\nDean: It would be even faster today. Oh yeah, 57 seconds it took for the pit stop in the 50s and it was 2.7 seconds at Melbourne it was just amazing to see. \n\nDan: Yeah, mark young talks about that because he's he's not formula one, but he's at the yeah, he's at the level below formula one right, every, uh, every minute counts, every second counts oh, yeah, yeah, and uh, yeah, he said they practice and practice and practice. You know it's, it's, if it can be measured. You know that there's always somebody who's going to do it faster. And yeah, yeah, it's really, really interesting what humans do. \n\nDean: Really interesting what humans do. I read something interesting or saw a video and I've been looking into it. Basically, someone was saying you know, our brains are not equipped for omniscience, that we're not supposed to have omniscient knowledge of everything going on in the world all at once. \n\nwhere our brains are made to be in a local environment with 150 people around us, and that's what our brain is equipped for managing. But all this has been foisted on us, that we have this impending. No wonder our mental health is suffering in that we have this impending when you say our, who are you referring to? Society. I think you know that's what they're. \n\nDan: Yeah, that's what they're saying like across the board. \n\nDean: Who are they? Yes, that's a great question. \n\nDan: You know I hear this, but I don't experience any of it. I don't feel foisted upon. I don't feel overwhelmed. \n\nDean: You know what I? \n\nDan: think it is. I think it is that people who feel foisted upon have a tendency to talk about it to a lot of other people. \n\nDean: But people who don't feel foisted upon. \n\nDan: Don't mention it to anybody. \n\nDean: It's very interesting. Do you know Chris Collins? Do you know Chris Collins? \n\nDan: He wrote the really great book collection called I Am Leader. \n\nDean: It's really something. He's a new genius. He's a new Genius Network member. \n\nDan: Oh, Chris, oh yeah, oh yeah, chris, yeah, does he have repair shops? His main business is auto Auto. \n\nDean: Yeah, oh yeah, chris, yeah, he does. He have repair shops His main business is auto, auto, auto dealership. \n\nDan: He does auto dealerships. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's right. \n\nDan: Yeah, chris was in. Chris was in the program way back with 10 times around the same time when you came 10 times. He was in for about two years oh okay, interesting. Yeah and yeah, he was at the last Genius you know, and he's got a big, monstrous book that costs about $300. \n\nDean: Yes, I was just going to talk about that. Yeah. \n\nDan: We got one, but I didn't have room in my bags, you know. \n\nDean: I budget. \n\nDan: You know how much. \n\nDean: I'm going to take and how much I'm going to bring back, and that was just too, much so, yeah, so yeah, yeah. He's very bothered. Oh, is he? Okay, yeah, I don't know him, I just I saw him. \n\nDan: I got that what he talked about was this massive conspiracy. You know that they are doing it to them or they're doing it to us interesting interesting I don't experience that. What I experience is mostly nobody knows who I am. \n\nDean: That's the best place to be right. \n\nDan: They only know of you. Somebody was saying a very famous person showed up at a clinic in Costa Rica and he had eight bodyguards, eight bodyguards and I said yes, why is that expensive? That must be really expensive, having all those bodyguards. I mean, probably the least thing that was costly for one is having is having himself transformed by medical miracles. But having the bodyguards was the real expense. \n\nSo I had a thought and I talked to somebody about this yesterday. Actually, I said my goal is to be as wealthy and famous just to the point where I would need a bodyguard. But not need the bodyguard just below where I would need a bodyguard, but not need the bodyguard Just below, where I would need a bodyguard, and I think that would be an excellent level of fame and wealth. Not only do you not have a bodyguard, but you don't think you would ever need one. That's the big thing, yeah. \n\nDean: I love that. \n\nDan: That that's good yeah that's a good aspiration yeah, yeah, so far I've succeeded yes, so far you are on the uh. \n\nDean: Yeah, on the cusp of 81 six weeks seven weeks to go yeah, getting close. That's so good. Yeah, yeah, this. How is the new book coming? \n\nDan: Yeah, good, well, I've got several because I have a quarterly book. \n\nDean: Yeah, I'm at the big casting, not hiring. \n\nDan: Yeah, really good. Each of us is delivering now a chapter per week, so it's really coming along. Great, yeah, and so we'll. Our date is may 26th for the everything in um before their editing can start, so they will have our, our draft will be in on may 26th and then it's over to the publisher and you know there'll be back and forth. But Jeff and I are pretty, jeff Madoff and I are pretty complete writers, you know. So you know it doesn't need normal. You know kind of looking at spelling and grammar. \n\nDean: Right, right, right. Is that how you? Are you writing as one voice or you're writing One voice? One voice, one voice. \n\nDan: Yeah, but we're writing actually in the second person, singular voice, so we're writing to the reader. So we're talking about you this and you this, and you this and you this, and that's the best way to do it, because if you can maintain the same voice all the way through, that's really good. I mean, jeff, we have a different style, but since we're talking to the reader all the way through, it actually works really well so far, and then we'll have you know, there'll be some shuffling and rearranging at the end. \n\nDean: That's what I wondered. Are you essentially writing your separate, are you writing alternate chapters or you're writing your thoughts about one chapter? \n\nDan: We have four parts and the first three parts are the whole concept of businesses that have gone theatrical, that have gone theatrical and we use examples like Ralph Lauren, Four Seasons. \n\nHotel Apple. You know who have done Starbucks, who have done a really great job, and Jeff is writing all that because he's done a lot of work on that. He's, you know, he's been a professor at one of the New York universities and he has whole classes on how small companies started them by using a theatrical approach. They differentiated themselves extraordinarily in the marketplace, and he goes through all these examples. Plus he talks about what it's like to be actually in theater, which he knows a great deal about because he's a playwright and a producer. The fourth part is on the four by four casting tool and that's got five sections to it and where I'm taking people, the reader, who is an entrepreneur, a successful, talented, ambitious entrepreneur who wants to transform their company into a theatrical-like enterprise with everybody playing unique roles. \n\nSo, that's how I've done it, so he's got the bigger writing job than I do but, mine is more directive. This is what you can do with the knowledge in this book. So we're writing it separately, and we're going to let the editor at the publishing house sort out any what goes where. \n\nDean: Put it all together. \n\nDan: Yeah, and we're doing the design on it, so we're pretty steadily into design projects you know, producing a new book. So we've got my entire team my team's doing all the backstage arrangements. Jeff is interviewing a lot of really great people in the theater world and you know anything having to do with casting. So he's got about. You know probably to do with casting. So he's got about probably about 12 major, 12 major interviews that he'll pull quotes from and my team is doing all the setup and the recording for him so so. \n\nJeff. Jeff showed up as Jeff and I showed up as a team. That's great. Oh, that's great, that's awesome yeah, yeah, in comes, but not without six others, right, right with your. \n\nDean: You know, I had a friend who used to refer to that as your utility belt. Right that you show up and you've got strapped on behind you. \n\nDan: You've got your design, got it writing got it video, got it your whole. Yeah, strapped on behind you, you've got your design Got it Right. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: And capability crew. Yeah, and to a certain extent I'm role modeling the, the point of the book, you know, and the way we're going about this and and you know, and more and more so, I find probably every quarter my actual doing um of production and that gets less and less and I'm actually finding um, I'm actually finding my work with perplexity very useful because it's getting me better at prompting my team members yes yeah, with perplexity, if you don't give it the right prompt, you don't get the right outcome. \n\nYou know, yeah, and more and more I'm noticing I'm getting better at giving really, really, really great prompts to my artists, to the writers who are working with me, the interviewers, everything so, um, yeah, so it's been very, very helpful. I I find uh, just in a year of perplexity, I've gotten much more uh precise about exactly what I want. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: Yeah, defining right. I mean that's pretty. Yeah, yeah, that's really great. And knowing that, a lot of it, so much of that prompting, that's the language that's been adopted for interfacing with AI, chat, gpt and perplexity. \n\nDan: The prompts that you give are the things. \n\nDean: But there's so much of that. That's true about team as well, right? Oh yeah, being a better AI prompter is a better team prompter. Yeah yeah, being a better AI prompter is a better team prompter. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, and you know I have a book coming out Now that I'm talking to you about it it may be the next book that would start in June and it's called Technology Coaching Teamwork and it has like three upward arrows that are, uh, you know, in unison with each other. There are three and I said that I think in the 21st century all businesses really have three tracks to them. They have a technology track, they have a teamwork track and they have a coaching track in the middle and that um in the 20th century, we considered management to be the basis. \n\nYou know, management is the basis for business but. I think management has actually been um superseded, um by um superseded by electronics, you know actually it's the electronics are now the management, the algorithms are now the management and then you have the people who are constantly, you know, creating new technology, and you have human teamwork that's creating new things, because it's ultimately humans that are knocking off everything you know right. \n\nAnd then in the middle is coaching, and coaching goes back and forth between the teamwork and the technology. Technology will always do a really shitty job of coaching yes, I bet that's true, and teams will always do a sort of shitty job of uh knowing how to use technology and there has to be an interface in the middle, that's a human interface and it's a coaching, because coaching takes in a lot of factors, not just action factors or planning factors, but it takes in aspirational factors. It takes in learning factors. \n\nIt takes in, you know, all sorts of transformational factors and that's a, that's a mid role. Yeah. \n\nDean: Yes, yeah. \n\nDan: And if you look at what you do best, it's probably coaching. \n\nDean: Yeah, I wonder. I mean that's kind of. \n\nDan: Joe Polish. It was Joe Polish, where he probably does best. He's probably a great coach. \n\nDean: Yeah, I think that's true. Yeah, I think that's true. I've really been getting a lot of insight around going through and defining the VCR formula. You know proposition, proof, protocol and property. That's a. I see the clarity that. You know. There's a different level of communication and intention between. Where my I really shine is between is propositions and proof, like getting something knowing, guessing. You know we were. I was going to talk today too about guessing and betting. I've been really thinking about that. That was a great exercise that we did in our workshop. But this idea that's really what this is is guessing. I seem to have this superpower for propositions, like knowing what would be the thing to do and then proving that. That's true. But then taking that proof and creating a protocol that can be packaged and become property is a. That's a different skill set altogether and it's not as much. It's not as much. My unique ability, my superpower zone, is taking, you know, making propositions and proving them. I'm a really good guesser. \n\nDan: That's my strength yeah. Yeah, I think the what I'm doing because it's, um, I'm really thinking a lot about it based on the last, um, uh, free zone workshop, which I did on monday and, uh, you know, monday of the week before last in toronto, where you were yeah, and and then I did it on Thursday again and I reversed the whole day oh really I reversed the whole day. I started off with guessing and betting and then indecision versus bad decision. And then the afternoon I did the second company secret and it worked a lot better. \n\nThe flow was a lot better. Company secret and it worked a lot better. The flow was a lot better. But the big thing is that people say well, how do I? Um, I I just don't know how I you know that. Um, I'm telling them and they're asking me. So I'm telling them every time you take your unique ability and help someone transform their DOS issues, you're actually creating perspective. Intellectual property. \n\nAnd they said, well, I don't see quite how that works. I don't see how that works, so I've been, you know, and I'm taking them seriously. They don't see how that works. So I said, well, the impact filter is actually the solution. Okay, because you do the DOS question with them. You know, if we were having this discussion a year from now and you were looking back over the year, what has to have happened for you to feel happy with your progress? Okay, and specifically, what dangers do you have that need to be eliminated, what opportunities do you have that need to be captured, and what strengths do you have that need to be maximized? \n\nAnd there's a lot of very interesting answers that are going to come out of that, and the answers actually their answers to your question actually are the raw material for creating intellectual property the reason being is that what they're saying is unique and how you're listening to it is unique because of your unique ability so the best thing is do it, do an impact filter on what your solution is. \n\nSo the best solution is best result solution is this. Worst result solution is this. And then here are the five success criteria, the eight success criteria that we have to go through to achieve the best result and that is the basis for intellectual property. \n\nDean: What you write in that thing. \n\nDan: So that's where I'm going next, because I think if we can get a lot of people over that hump, you're going to see a lot more confidence about what they're creating as solutions and understanding that these solutions are property. \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: That's what I'm saying, that's what I'm thinking. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's your guessing and betting yeah yes I agree and I think that that uh you know, I mean, I've had that to me going through this exercise of thinking, through that vision, column you know that the ultimate outcome is property, and once you have that property, it becomes it's a capability. \n\nDan: It's a capability. Now right, that's something that you have. If it's not property, it's an opportunity for somebody to steal something ah right exactly. \n\nYeah, I just think there's an inhibition on the part of entrepreneurs that if they have a really neat solution but it's not named and packaged and protected, um, it isn't going to really do them any good because they're going to be afraid. Look, if I say this, I'm in a conference somewhere and I say this, somebody's going to steal it. Then they're going to use it, then I I can't stop them from doing that. So the way I'm going to stop people from stealing my creativity is not to tell people what I'm creating. Right, it's just, it's just going to be me in my basement. \n\nDean: Yeah, I bet no. \n\nDan: I bet the vast majority of creative entrepreneurs they're the only ones who know they're creative because they're afraid of sharing their creativity, because it's not distinct enough that they can name it and package it and project it, getting the government to give you a hand in doing that Right yeah. Yeah, and I don't know maybe it's just not a goal of theirs to have intellectual property. Maybe it's you know it's a goal of mine to have everything be intellectual property, but maybe it's just not the goal of a lot of other people. \n\nDean: What do? \n\nDan: you think. \n\nDean: I think that once you start to understand what the practical you know value, the asset value of having intellectual property, I think that makes a big difference. I think that's where you're, I mean you're. It's interesting that you are certainly leading the way, you know. I found it fascinating when you mentioned that if you were, you know, were measured as a Canadian company, that it would be the ninth or something like that. \n\nDan: Yeah, during a 12-month period 23 to 24,. Based on the research that the Globe and Mail Toronto paper did, that the biggest was one of the big banks. They had the most intellectual property and if our US patents counted in Canada because I think they were just, they were just counting Canadian government patents that we would have been number nine and we're. \n\nyou know, we're a tiny little speck on the windshield, I mean we're not a big company, but what I notice when I look at Canada very little originality is coming out of Canada and, for example, the biggest Canadian company with patents during that 12-month period was TD Bank. Yeah, and they had 240. 240, I mean that might be how many Google send in in a week. You know that might be the number of patents. That wouldn't be necessarily a big week at Google or Amazon or any of the other big American, because Americans are really into Americans are really, really into property. That's why they want Greenland. \n\nDean: And Panama. \n\nDan: And Alberta. \n\nDean: Panama, alberta and Greenland. \n\nDan: And the Gulf of America, yeah, the Gulf of America and property. \n\nDean: Even if it's not actual. They want titular property. \n\nDan: Yes. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: And I haven't seen any complaints from Mexico. I mean, I haven't seen any complaints. \n\nMaybe there have been complaints, but we just haven't seen them. No, no, from now on it's the Gulf of America, which I think is rather important, and when Google just switches, I mean, google hasn't been a very big Trump fan and yet they took it seriously. Yeah, now all the tech's official. It's interesting talking to people and they say what's happening? What's happening? We don't know what's happening. I say, well, it's like the end of a Monopoly game. One of the things you have to do when you end one Monopoly game is all the pieces have to go back in the box, like Scrabble. You play Scrabble, all the pieces go back in the box at the end of a game. And I said, this is the first time since the end of the Second World War that a game is ending and all the pieces are going back into the box, except when you get to the next step. It's a bigger box, it's a different game board, there's more pieces and different rules. So this is what's happening right now. \n\nIt's a new game the old game is over, new game is starting and, um, if you just watch what donald trump's doing, you're getting an idea what the new game is. Yeah, I think you're right, and one of the new game is intellectual property. Intellectual property I think this is one of the new parts of the new game. And the other thing is it's all going to be one-to-one deals. I don't think there's going to be any more multi-party deals. You know, like the North American Free Trade Act, supposedly is the United States, canada and Mexico In Europe. If you look at it, it's Canada and Mexico, it's Mexico and the United States and it's the United States and Canada. These are separate deals. \n\nThey're all separate deals. That's what I think is happening. States, Canada and these are separate deals. They're all separate deals. Oh, interesting, yeah, and that's what I think is happening. It's just one-to-one. No more multilateral stuff it's all one-to-one. For example, the US ambassador is in London this week and they're working out a deal between the UK and the United States, so no tariffs apply to British, british products oh interesting yeah and you'll see it like the European Union. \n\nI was saying the European Union wants to have a deal and I said European Union, where is the European Union? You know where is? That anyway, yeah yeah, I mean, if you look at the United Nations, there's no European Union. If you look at NATO, there's no European Union. \n\nIf you look at the G20 of countries, there's no European Union. There's France, there's Germany. You know, there's countries we recognize. And I think the US is just saying if you don't have a national border and you don't have a capital, and you don't have a government, we don't think it exists. We just don't think it exists. And Trump often talks about that 28 acres on the east side of Manhattan. He says boy, boy. \n\nWhat we could do with that right, oh, what we could do with that. You know they should. Just, you know who can do that. Who can do? United Nations, switzerland, send it to Switzerland. You know that'd be a nice place for the send it to there, you know like that and it just shows you that that was all. \n\nAll those institutions were really a result of the Second World War and the Cold War, which was just a continuation of the Second World War. So I think that's one of the really big things that's happening in the world right now. And the other thing I want to talk to you about is Doge. I think Doge is one of the most phenomenally big breakthroughs in world history. What's happening with Elon Musk and his team. \n\nDean: Yeah, I know you've been really following that with great interest. Tell me what's the latest. \n\nDan: It's the first time in human history that you can audit government, bureauc, audit government, bureaucratic government, the part of government. You don't see Millions and millions of people who are doing things but you don't know what they're doing. There's no way of checking what they're doing. There's no way for them. And it was proven because Musk, about four weeks ago, sent out a letter to every federal employee, said last week, tell me five things that you did. And the results were not good. \n\nDean: Well, I think the same thing is happening when people are questioned about their at-home working accomplishments too. Yeah, but that's the Well, lamar Lark, you know. \n\nDan: Lamar. I don't think you've ever met Lamar. He's in the number one Chicago Free Zone workshops, so we have two and a quarter and he's in the first one. And he has all sorts of interesting things. He's got Chick-fil-A franchises and other things like that, okay, and he created his own church, which is a very I have met Lamar yeah, which is a very American activity. \n\nDean: It creates your own church, you know yes yes, yeah. \n\nDan: That's why Americans are so religious is because America is the first country that turned religion into an entrepreneurial activity. Got yourself a hall. You could do it right there in the courtyard of the Valhalla. How many chairs could you? If you really pushed it, how many chairs could you get into the courtyard? Let's see One, two three, four, five, not like the chair you're sitting on. No, I'm kidding. \n\nDean: I'm just envisioning it. I could probably get 50 chairs in here. \n\nDan: You got yourself, you know and set it up right, Get a good tax description yeah, you got yourself a religion there. That's great. And you're kind of tending in that direction with the word Valhalla, that's exactly right. \n\nDean: Yes, would you. \n\nDan: I'd pay to spend an hour or two on Sunday with you. \n\nDean: But here's the big question, Dan Would you be committed enough to tithe? \n\nDan: Oh yes, oh yes. \n\nDean: Then we'd really be on to something you know. We could just count on you for your tithe to the church. That would be. \n\nDan: That would really get us on our feet, but anyway, I was telling this story about Lamar. So he and his wife have a friend, a woman, who works for the federal government in Chicago, and so they were just talking over dinner to the person and they said, well, what's your day work, what's your day you know when do you go into the? \n\noffice. When do you go into the office? When do you go into the office? And she says, oh, I haven't been to the office since before COVID. No, I know we are the office. And so they said, well, how does your home day work? And she says, well, at 830, you got to. You got to check in at 830. You check in at 830, you go online and then you put your j in at 8.30. \n\nDean: You check in at 8.30, you go online and then you put your jiggler on Jiggler, exactly I've heard about this and they said what's the jiggler? \n\nDan: Well, the jiggler moves. Your mouse keeps checking into different. It keeps switching to different files, positions, yeah, yeah, files. And that's the only thing that they can record from the actual office is that you're busy moving from one file to the other. And he says, well, what are you doing while that's happening? She said, well, I do a lot of shopping, you know I go out shopping and we have you know, and they come back and it goes from. \n\nYou know it'll stop because there's coffee time, so we'll stop for 10 minutes for coffee and then it'll stop for lunch and stop for afternoon coffee. And then I checked out and I always check in five minutes early and I always check five minutes late, that's amazing, isn't it? \n\nthat's what that's what elon Elon Musk is discovering, because Elon Musk's AI can actually discover what they did, and then it's hard for the person to answer what were the five things you did last week? You know, and the truth is that I think I'm not saying that all civil servants are worthless. I'm not saying that at all. You have it right now. It's recorded here. Your mechanism is recording that. \n\nI'm not saying that all civil servants are worthless but I do think it's harder and harder for civil servants to prove their value, because you may have gone to five important meetings, but I bet those meetings didn't produce any result. It's hard for any civil servant and you can say what you did last week. I can say what I did last week, but you were basically just meeting with yourself. \n\nYeah, that's I saw somebody and you produce something and you made a decision and something got created and that's easy to prove. But I don't think it's easy in the civil service to prove the value of what you did the greatest raw resource in America for taking money that's being spent one way taking that money away and spending on something else. I think this is the greatest source of financial transformation going forward, because about 15 states all of them Republican states have gotten in touch with Elon Musk and say whatever you're doing in Washington, we want to do here, and I just he believes, according to his comments, that every year there's $3 trillion that's being badly spent $3 trillion you know, I got my little finger up to my mouth. \n\n$3 trillion, you know, this is that's a lot of you know, I'm at the point where I think a million is still a big deal. You know, trillion is uh, yeah, uh. \n\nDean: I saw that somebody had invented a uh algorithm reader. They detected an algorithm in the like a fingerprint in the jiggler software. Oh that, yeah, so that you can overlay this thing and it would be able to identify that that's a jiggler that's a jiggler. \n\nDan: That's a jiggler yeah, you got to because behind the jiggler is the prompter. \n\nDean: The jiggler busters. \n\nDan: Yes, exactly, he was on. He was interviewed, he and six members of his Doge team, you know, and how they're talking about them being 19 and 20 year olds, about them being 19 and 20 year olds. These were part. These were powerful people who had stepped away from their companies and their jobs just for the chance to work with the Elon. One guy had five companies. He's from Houston, he had five companies and he's taken leave from his company for a year. \n\nJust to work on the doge project. Yeah, and so that guy was talking and he said you know what we discovered? The small business administration, he said, last year gave 300 million dollars in loans to children under 11 years old wow to their to that a person who had their social security number, their social insurance number. Right, and during that same year, we gave $300 million in loans to people who were over 120 years old. \n\nDean: Wow. \n\nDan: That's $600 million. That's $600 million, that's almost a billion. Anyway, that's happening over and over. They're just discovering these and those checks are arriving somewhere and somebody's cashing those checks, but it's not appropriate. So I think this is the biggest deal. I think this changes everything, and I've noticed that the Democratic Party is in a tailspin, and has been especially since they started the Doge project, because the people doing the jiggling and the people who where the checks are going to the run I bet 90% of them are Democrats the money's going to democratic organizations, since going to democratic individuals and they're going to be cash strapped. You know that they've been. This isn't last year, this goes back 80 years. This has been going on since the New Deal, when the Democrats really took over Washington. \n\nAnd I bet this I bet they can track all the checks that went back 80 years. \n\nDean: I mean, this is that's really something, isn't it? \n\nI was just thinking about yeah, this kind of transparency is really like. I think, when you really get down to it, we're getting to a point where there's the market does not support inefficiency anymore. It's not baked in. If you have workers for instance, most of the time you have salaried workers your real expectation is that they're going to be productive. I don't know what the actual stats are, do you know? But let's say that they're going to be actually productive for 50% of the time. But you look at now just the ability to, especially on task-related things or AI type of things um, collins, chris no, chris johnson's um, um, oh yeah um uh, you know the the ai dialers there, of being able, there's zero. \n\nDan: They were doing, um, you know they were doing. Maybe you know the dialers were doing. You know, because some of the sometimes the other, the person at the other end they answered and they'd have a you know five minute call or something like that. So in a day in a day, like they have an eight hour thing they might do you know. 50, 50 call outs 50 or 60 calls yeah, his. Ai does 25,000 calls a minute. \n\nDean: Exactly that's. What I mean is that those things are just that everything is compressed. Now there's no, because it's taken out all the air, all the fluff around it. What humans come with. You're right what you said earlier about all the pieces going back in the box and we're totally reset. Yeah, I think we're definitely that you know yeah and the thing thing about this. \n\nDan: What I found interesting is that the request coming in from the states that they moved the doge you know the process department of government efficiency that I. I think he's putting together a vast system that can be applied to any government you know, it could be, and, uh, and, but the all the requests came in from republican states, not from Democratic states, waste and abuse and waste and fraud. \n\nprobably for the over last 80 years, has been the party in the United States which was most invested in the bureaucracy of the government you know. And yeah, I mean, do you know anybody who works for the government? I mean actually, I mean you may have met the person, but I mean, do you know anybody who works for the government? I mean actually, I mean you may have met the person but I mean, I don't know. \n\nDo you do, do you know anybody who works for the government? I don't believe, I do, really, and I do, and I don't either right, I don't I don't, I don't, neither you know I mean, I mean everybody I know is an entrepreneur everybody I know is entrepreneurial. And yeah, the people who aren't entrepreneurial are the families. You know they would be family connections of the entrepreneurs. I just don't know anybody who works for the government. \n\nYou know, I've been 50 years and I can't say I know anybody who works for the government but, there's lots of them. Yeah, yeah so they don't they. They're not involved in entrepreneurial circles, that's for sure. \n\nDean: It's Ontario Hydro or Ontario Power Generation. Is that the government? No, that's the government, then I do. I know one person. I know one person that works for the government. \n\nDan: All right, Send him an email and say what are five things you did last week? Yeah, what? \n\nDean: did you do last week? \n\nDan: Oh my goodness, that's so funny, impress me. \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: I think it's a stage in technological development, I think it's a state, just where it has to do with the ability to measure, and this has been a vast dark space government that you can't really, yeah, and in fairness to them, they couldn't measure themselves. In other words, that they didn't have the ability, even if they were honest and forthright and they were committed and they were productive, they themselves did not have the ability to measure their own activities until now. \n\nAnd I think, and I think now they will, and I think now they will, and, but but anyway, I just think this is a major, major event. This is this is equal to the printing press. You know this is equal to to electricity. You can measure what government does electricity. You can measure what government does In the history of human beings. This is a major breakthrough. That's amazing. \n\nDean: So great Look around. You don't want a time to be alive. \n\nDan: Yeah, I mean depending on where you work I guess that's absolutely true. \n\nDean: I've been listening to, uh I was just listening, uh just started actually a podcast about uh, thomas edison, uh this is a really great podcast, one of my great, one of my great heroes. Yes, exactly, the podcast is called Founders. \n\nDan: Founders yeah. \n\nDean: Founders. Yeah, david Sunra, I think, is the guy's name and all he does is he reads biographies and then he gives his insights on the biographies. It's just a single voice podcast. It's not like guests or anything, it's just him breaking down his lessons and notes from reading certain reading these biographies and it's really well done. \n\nBut he had what turned me on he did. I first heard a podcast he did about Albert Lasker, who was the guy, the great advertising guy, the man who sold America and yeah, so I've been listening through and very interesting. But the Thomas Edison thing I'm at the point where he was talking about his first things. He sold some telegraph patent that he had an idea that he had created for $40,000, which was like you know a huge amount of money back then and that allowed him to set up Menlo Park. And then at the time Menlo Park was kind of out in the middle of nowhere and you know they asked why would you set up out there? And no distractions. And he created a whole you know a whole environment of where people were undistracted and able to invent and what you know. If they get bored, what are they going to do? They're going to invent something, just creating this whole environment. \n\nDan: Well, he wasn't distractible because he was largely deaf. He had childhood injury, yeah, so he wasn't distracted by other people talking because he couldn't really make out. So you know, he had to focus where he could focus. And yeah, there is actually in my hometown, which his hometown is called Milan, ohio. I grew up two miles. I grew up I wasn't born there, but when I was two years old, we moved to a farm there. It was two miles from Edison. His home is there. It's a museum. \n\nDean: Milan. \n\nDan: Ohio and that was 1830s, somewhere 1838, something like that. I'm not quite sure. But there's a business in Norwalk, Ohio, where we moved from the farm when I was 11 years old Ohio, where we moved from the farm when I was 11 years old, and there's a business in there that started off as a dynamo company. Dynamo was sort of like an electric generator. \n\nDean: Yeah, and we had dynamo in Georgetown. \n\nDan: on the river, yeah, and that business continues since the mid-1800s, that business continues, and everything like that. My sense is that Edison put everything together that constitutes the modern scientific technological laboratory. In other words that Menlo Park is the first time you've really put everything together. That includes, you know, the science, the technology, the experimentation the creation of patents, the packaging of the new ideas, getting investment from Wall Street and everything. He created the entire gateway for the modern technological corporation, I think. \n\nDean: I think that's amazing, very nice. I like to look at the. I like to trace the timelines of something right, like when you realize it's very interesting when you think and you hear about the lore and you look at the accomplishments of someone like Thomas Edison or Leonardo da Vinci or anybody, you look at the total of what you know about what they were able to accomplish, but when you granularly get down to the timeline of it, you don't, like you realize how. I think I remember reading about da vinci. I think he spent like seven years doing just this one uh, one period of projects. That was uh, um. So he puts it in perspective right of a of the, the whole of a career, that it really breaks down to the, the individual, uh chapters, that that make it up, you know, yeah, and it's funny, I've written about somebody, Jim Collins the good to great author. \n\nI heard him. His kind of hero was Peter Drucker and he remembers going to Peter Drucker and he had a bookshelf with all of his books. I think he had like 90 books or something that he had written, Peter Drucker, and he had them. Jim Collins set them up on his bookshelf and he would move a piece of tape that shows his current age against the age that Peter Drucker was when he had written those things and he realized that at you know, 50 years old, something like you know, 75% of Peter Drucker's work was after that age and even into his 80s or whatever. \n\nDan: Yeah, most of my work is after 70. I was just going to say yeah, exactly, I look at that. You look at all of the things and then at 70, yeah, yeah, the actual stuff I've created is really yeah, that's when I really started to produce a lot after 70. \n\nDean: Mm-hmm. \n\nDan: Yeah, a lot of R\u0026amp;D. I did a lot of R\u0026amp;D. \n\nDean: Right. \n\nDan: Exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know, my goal is that 80 to 90 will be much more productive than 70 to 80. Yeah, I was talking to someone today interesting, very interesting physical fitness guy here in Toronto and he's a really great chiropractor so he's working. So I have I'm making great progress with the structural repair of my left knee. But there's all sorts of functional stuff that has to come along with it and he's my main man for doing this. \n\nBut he was talking, he's 50, and he said you know, my goal is that 60 to 70 is going to be my most active part of my life, you know, from mountain climbing to all these different really high endurance athletics and sports, and so we got talking and I just shared with him the idea that the real goal you should have or which covers a lot of other areas is that, if you're like my goal for 90, I'm just going on 81, my goal for 90 is that I'm more ambitious at 90 than I am at the present. \n\nDean: And. \n\nDan: I said that's what that almost seems impossible, impossible well, well it is if you're just looking at yourself as a single individual yeah but if you're looking at yourself as someone who has an expand team, it's actually very possible. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah yeah, you're mine are those potato chips no, it's a piece of cellophane wrapped around something. That was the word right Retired. And they've been retired for about five years or so and I hadn't seen them in a couple of years. But it's really interesting to, at 72, the uh, you know the, just the level you can tell just physically and everything mentally, everything about them. They're on the, the decline phase of the thing they're not ramping up. \n\nYou know, like just physically they are, um, you know they're, they're big, um cruisers. You know they've been going on cruises now every every six weeks or so, but, um, but yeah, no, no, uh, no more golf, no more. Like you see, they're intentionally kind of winding things down, resigning to the yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's very interesting. I don't know if you caught it in the news. It was, I think, right at the end of January. But you know the name Daniel Kahneman. \n\nDean: I know the name. Yeah, thinking fast and slow. \n\nDan: Fast thinking slow yeah, he committed suicide in Switzerland. \n\nDean: I did not know that. When was that he? \n\nDan: was 90 years old, I think it was January 28th. \n\nDean: And it was all planned out. \n\nDan: It was all planned out and he went to Switzerland to do it, because they have the legal framework where you can do that and everything else. And I found it so interesting that I did a whole bunch of perplexity searches and I said, because he was very influential, I never read his book, because I read the first five or 10 pages and it just didn't seem that interesting to me and it seemed like he had. You know that he's famous for that book and he's famous for it, and it seemed to be that he's kind of like a one trick pony. You know, he's got a great book that really changed things. And then I started looking. I said, well, what else did he do besides that one book? And it's not too much. And he did that, you know, 40 years ago. It was sort of something he did 40 years ago. \n\nDean: Wow. \n\nDan: And I just said gee, I wonder if he, you know, he just hasn't been real productive. Wonder if he, you know, he just hasn't been real productive, not not starting in january, but he hadn't been real productive over the last 20 or 30 years and he did that. \n\nDean: Uh, and anyway, you know, I don't know. I don't know that I've been living under a rock or whatever. I didn't even realize that this was a real thing. I have a good friend in Canada whose grandfather is tomorrow scheduled for assisted. It's a big thing in Canada. \n\nDan: Canada is the most leading country in incidents of people being assisted in committing suicide. \n\nDean: Yeah, and. \n\nDan: I have my suspicions. It's a way for the government to cut checks to old people. You know like assist them to leave. You know I mean it's just. What a confusing set of emotions that must bring up for someone you love. Confusing and disturbing about his committing suicide and it's really a big topic, you know, because he was saying you can always get on top of whatever you're experiencing and get useful lessons from it, right? \n\nDean: and I said. \n\nDan: I said, well, you must have reached an empty week or something. You know I I don't know what, what happened I, you know I mean right and uh, cause I I'm finding um the experience of being 80, the experience of being 70 and 80, very, very fruitful for coming up with new thoughts and coming up with new ideas right, you know and what, what is still important when you're uh, you know, still important when you're. \n\nyou know what is even more important and what is even more clear when you're 80. That wasn't clear when you were 50 or 60. I think that's a useful thought. You know that's a useful thought, yeah, but it's really interesting. I never find suicide is understandable. \n\nDean: I know, yeah, I get it. I see that you think about that too. I've had that. I've had some other people, my cousin, years and years ago was the first person kind of close to me that had committed suicide, and you know. But you always think it's just like you, I can't imagine that like I. I can imagine, uh, just completely like disappearing or whatever you know starting off somewhere else, like complete, you know, reset, but not something that that final, you know. \n\nDan: You know, I can understand just extreme, intolerable pain you know, I mean. I can, I can, I can totally get that. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, I mean, it's just you. You just can't go through another day of it. I I just totally understand that but, where it's more of a psychological emotional you get a, got yourself in a corner and that, uh then, um, you know, I don't really, um, I don't really comprehend what's going on there. \n\nYou know, I I obviously something's going on, but I you know, I, I obviously something's going on, but I, just from, I've never had a suicidal thought. I mean, you know, I've had some low points, I've had some, but even on my low points I had something that was fun that day you know Right Right, right Right. Or I had an interesting thought. Yeah, right. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I'm yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: Well, I'm glad we hit on that topic because I said, you may think I know that the person doing it has a completely logical reason for doing it. It's just not a logic that can be explained easily to other people yeah, when you're not in that spot. I get it, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah anyway this was a good one. This was a good one. Yeah, now okay, wait actually yeah, I'll be calling from chicago next week. \n\nDean: Okay, perfect I'll be here, yeah, um, yeah, I want to. I'd love to, um, if we remember, and if we don't, that's fine too, but if we remember, you brought up something the I would love to see and maybe talk about the difference between uh, you know, between 60, 70, 80, your thoughts of those things. Yeah, you're getting to that point I'm 22 years behind you, so I'm just turning 59 right before you turn 81. \n\nDan: So that'd be something I'll put some thought to it. I love it. \n\nDean: Okay. \n\nDan: Perfect, thanks, dan. All right, okay, thanks, bye. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we start by discussing the unpredictable nature of Toronto\u0026#39;s weather and its amusing impact on the city\u0026#39;s spring arrival. We explore the evolution of Formula One pit stops, highlighting the remarkable advancements in efficiency over the decades. 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The discussion covers the political and economic implications of misallocated funds and how the market\u0026#39;s growing intolerance for waste pushes productivity and accountability to the forefront.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eFinally, we reflect on the transformative power of technological advancements, drawing parallels to historical innovations like the printing press. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul style=\"list-style-type: circle;\"\u003e\n\u003c/center\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe discussed the VCR formula—proposition, proof, protocol, and property—designed to enhance communication skills and protect innovations. 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Oh, you\u0026#39;re in Toronto. Okay, yeah, where are you? Yeah? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e where are you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I am in the courtyard at the Four Seasons Valhalla in my comfy white couch. In perfect, I would give it 73 degree weather right now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, well, we\u0026#39;re right at that crossover between middle winter and late winter. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You never know what you\u0026#39;re going to get. It could snow or it could be. You may need your bikini, your Speedo or something. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think spring in Toronto happens, I think somewhere around May 23rd, I think somewhere around. May 23rd, and it\u0026#39;s the night when the city workers put all the leaves on the trees. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You never know what you\u0026#39;re going to get. Until then, right, it just might snow, and they\u0026#39;re stealthy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They\u0026#39;re stealthy and you know, I think they rehearse. You know, starting in February, march, april, they start rehearsing. You know how fast can we get all the leaves on the trees and they do it all in one night they do it and all. I mean they\u0026#39;re faster than Santa Claus. I mean they\u0026#39;re. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Have you seen, Dan? There\u0026#39;s a wonderful video on YouTube that is a comparison of a Formula One pit stop from the 1950s versus the 2013 Formula One in Melbourne, and it was so funny to show. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It would be even faster today. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It would be even faster today. Oh yeah, 57 seconds it took for the pit stop in the 50s and it was 2.7 seconds at Melbourne it was just amazing to see. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, mark young talks about that because he\u0026#39;s he\u0026#39;s not formula one, but he\u0026#39;s at the yeah, he\u0026#39;s at the level below formula one right, every, uh, every minute counts, every second counts oh, yeah, yeah, and uh, yeah, he said they practice and practice and practice. You know it\u0026#39;s, it\u0026#39;s, if it can be measured. You know that there\u0026#39;s always somebody who\u0026#39;s going to do it faster. And yeah, yeah, it\u0026#39;s really, really interesting what humans do. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Really interesting what humans do. I read something interesting or saw a video and I\u0026#39;ve been looking into it. Basically, someone was saying you know, our brains are not equipped for omniscience, that we\u0026#39;re not supposed to have omniscient knowledge of everything going on in the world all at once. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ewhere our brains are made to be in a local environment with 150 people around us, and that\u0026#39;s what our brain is equipped for managing. But all this has been foisted on us, that we have this impending. No wonder our mental health is suffering in that we have this impending when you say our, who are you referring to? Society. I think you know that\u0026#39;s what they\u0026#39;re. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s what they\u0026#39;re saying like across the board. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Who are they? Yes, that\u0026#39;s a great question. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know I hear this, but I don\u0026#39;t experience any of it. I don\u0026#39;t feel foisted upon. I don\u0026#39;t feel overwhelmed. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know what I? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e think it is. I think it is that people who feel foisted upon have a tendency to talk about it to a lot of other people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But people who don\u0026#39;t feel foisted upon. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Don\u0026#39;t mention it to anybody. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s very interesting. Do you know Chris Collins? Do you know Chris Collins? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e He wrote the really great book collection called I Am Leader. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s really something. He\u0026#39;s a new genius. He\u0026#39;s a new Genius Network member. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, Chris, oh yeah, oh yeah, chris, yeah, does he have repair shops? His main business is auto Auto. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, oh yeah, chris, yeah, he does. He have repair shops His main business is auto, auto, auto dealership. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e He does auto dealerships. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, chris was in. Chris was in the program way back with 10 times around the same time when you came 10 times. He was in for about two years oh okay, interesting. Yeah and yeah, he was at the last Genius you know, and he\u0026#39;s got a big, monstrous book that costs about $300. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I was just going to talk about that. Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We got one, but I didn\u0026#39;t have room in my bags, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I budget. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know how much. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m going to take and how much I\u0026#39;m going to bring back, and that was just too, much so, yeah, so yeah, yeah. He\u0026#39;s very bothered. Oh, is he? Okay, yeah, I don\u0026#39;t know him, I just I saw him. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I got that what he talked about was this massive conspiracy. You know that they are doing it to them or they\u0026#39;re doing it to us interesting interesting I don\u0026#39;t experience that. What I experience is mostly nobody knows who I am. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s the best place to be right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They only know of you. Somebody was saying a very famous person showed up at a clinic in Costa Rica and he had eight bodyguards, eight bodyguards and I said yes, why is that expensive? That must be really expensive, having all those bodyguards. I mean, probably the least thing that was costly for one is having is having himself transformed by medical miracles. But having the bodyguards was the real expense. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo I had a thought and I talked to somebody about this yesterday. Actually, I said my goal is to be as wealthy and famous just to the point where I would need a bodyguard. But not need the bodyguard just below where I would need a bodyguard, but not need the bodyguard Just below, where I would need a bodyguard, and I think that would be an excellent level of fame and wealth. Not only do you not have a bodyguard, but you don\u0026#39;t think you would ever need one. That\u0026#39;s the big thing, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I love that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That that\u0026#39;s good yeah that\u0026#39;s a good aspiration yeah, yeah, so far I\u0026#39;ve succeeded yes, so far you are on the uh. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, on the cusp of 81 six weeks seven weeks to go yeah, getting close. That\u0026#39;s so good. Yeah, yeah, this. How is the new book coming? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, good, well, I\u0026#39;ve got several because I have a quarterly book. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I\u0026#39;m at the big casting, not hiring. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, really good. Each of us is delivering now a chapter per week, so it\u0026#39;s really coming along. Great, yeah, and so we\u0026#39;ll. Our date is may 26th for the everything in um before their editing can start, so they will have our, our draft will be in on may 26th and then it\u0026#39;s over to the publisher and you know there\u0026#39;ll be back and forth. But Jeff and I are pretty, jeff Madoff and I are pretty complete writers, you know. So you know it doesn\u0026#39;t need normal. You know kind of looking at spelling and grammar. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, right, right. Is that how you? Are you writing as one voice or you\u0026#39;re writing One voice? One voice, one voice. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but we\u0026#39;re writing actually in the second person, singular voice, so we\u0026#39;re writing to the reader. So we\u0026#39;re talking about you this and you this, and you this and you this, and that\u0026#39;s the best way to do it, because if you can maintain the same voice all the way through, that\u0026#39;s really good. I mean, jeff, we have a different style, but since we\u0026#39;re talking to the reader all the way through, it actually works really well so far, and then we\u0026#39;ll have you know, there\u0026#39;ll be some shuffling and rearranging at the end. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s what I wondered. Are you essentially writing your separate, are you writing alternate chapters or you\u0026#39;re writing your thoughts about one chapter? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We have four parts and the first three parts are the whole concept of businesses that have gone theatrical, that have gone theatrical and we use examples like Ralph Lauren, Four Seasons. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHotel Apple. You know who have done Starbucks, who have done a really great job, and Jeff is writing all that because he\u0026#39;s done a lot of work on that. He\u0026#39;s, you know, he\u0026#39;s been a professor at one of the New York universities and he has whole classes on how small companies started them by using a theatrical approach. They differentiated themselves extraordinarily in the marketplace, and he goes through all these examples. Plus he talks about what it\u0026#39;s like to be actually in theater, which he knows a great deal about because he\u0026#39;s a playwright and a producer. The fourth part is on the four by four casting tool and that\u0026#39;s got five sections to it and where I\u0026#39;m taking people, the reader, who is an entrepreneur, a successful, talented, ambitious entrepreneur who wants to transform their company into a theatrical-like enterprise with everybody playing unique roles. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo, that\u0026#39;s how I\u0026#39;ve done it, so he\u0026#39;s got the bigger writing job than I do but, mine is more directive. This is what you can do with the knowledge in this book. So we\u0026#39;re writing it separately, and we\u0026#39;re going to let the editor at the publishing house sort out any what goes where. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Put it all together. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and we\u0026#39;re doing the design on it, so we\u0026#39;re pretty steadily into design projects you know, producing a new book. So we\u0026#39;ve got my entire team my team\u0026#39;s doing all the backstage arrangements. Jeff is interviewing a lot of really great people in the theater world and you know anything having to do with casting. So he\u0026#39;s got about. You know probably to do with casting. So he\u0026#39;s got about probably about 12 major, 12 major interviews that he\u0026#39;ll pull quotes from and my team is doing all the setup and the recording for him so so. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eJeff. Jeff showed up as Jeff and I showed up as a team. That\u0026#39;s great. Oh, that\u0026#39;s great, that\u0026#39;s awesome yeah, yeah, in comes, but not without six others, right, right with your. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, I had a friend who used to refer to that as your utility belt. Right that you show up and you\u0026#39;ve got strapped on behind you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You\u0026#39;ve got your design, got it writing got it video, got it your whole. Yeah, strapped on behind you, you\u0026#39;ve got your design Got it Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And capability crew. Yeah, and to a certain extent I\u0026#39;m role modeling the, the point of the book, you know, and the way we\u0026#39;re going about this and and you know, and more and more so, I find probably every quarter my actual doing um of production and that gets less and less and I\u0026#39;m actually finding um, I\u0026#39;m actually finding my work with perplexity very useful because it\u0026#39;s getting me better at prompting my team members yes yeah, with perplexity, if you don\u0026#39;t give it the right prompt, you don\u0026#39;t get the right outcome. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, yeah, and more and more I\u0026#39;m noticing I\u0026#39;m getting better at giving really, really, really great prompts to my artists, to the writers who are working with me, the interviewers, everything so, um, yeah, so it\u0026#39;s been very, very helpful. I I find uh, just in a year of perplexity, I\u0026#39;ve gotten much more uh precise about exactly what I want. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, defining right. I mean that\u0026#39;s pretty. Yeah, yeah, that\u0026#39;s really great. And knowing that, a lot of it, so much of that prompting, that\u0026#39;s the language that\u0026#39;s been adopted for interfacing with AI, chat, gpt and perplexity. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The prompts that you give are the things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But there\u0026#39;s so much of that. That\u0026#39;s true about team as well, right? Oh yeah, being a better AI prompter is a better team prompter. Yeah yeah, being a better AI prompter is a better team prompter. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, and you know I have a book coming out Now that I\u0026#39;m talking to you about it it may be the next book that would start in June and it\u0026#39;s called Technology Coaching Teamwork and it has like three upward arrows that are, uh, you know, in unison with each other. There are three and I said that I think in the 21st century all businesses really have three tracks to them. They have a technology track, they have a teamwork track and they have a coaching track in the middle and that um in the 20th century, we considered management to be the basis. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, management is the basis for business but. I think management has actually been um superseded, um by um superseded by electronics, you know actually it\u0026#39;s the electronics are now the management, the algorithms are now the management and then you have the people who are constantly, you know, creating new technology, and you have human teamwork that\u0026#39;s creating new things, because it\u0026#39;s ultimately humans that are knocking off everything you know right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then in the middle is coaching, and coaching goes back and forth between the teamwork and the technology. Technology will always do a really shitty job of coaching yes, I bet that\u0026#39;s true, and teams will always do a sort of shitty job of uh knowing how to use technology and there has to be an interface in the middle, that\u0026#39;s a human interface and it\u0026#39;s a coaching, because coaching takes in a lot of factors, not just action factors or planning factors, but it takes in aspirational factors. It takes in learning factors. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt takes in, you know, all sorts of transformational factors and that\u0026#39;s a, that\u0026#39;s a mid role. Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And if you look at what you do best, it\u0026#39;s probably coaching. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I wonder. I mean that\u0026#39;s kind of. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Joe Polish. It was Joe Polish, where he probably does best. He\u0026#39;s probably a great coach. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think that\u0026#39;s true. Yeah, I think that\u0026#39;s true. I\u0026#39;ve really been getting a lot of insight around going through and defining the VCR formula. You know proposition, proof, protocol and property. That\u0026#39;s a. I see the clarity that. You know. There\u0026#39;s a different level of communication and intention between. Where my I really shine is between is propositions and proof, like getting something knowing, guessing. You know we were. I was going to talk today too about guessing and betting. I\u0026#39;ve been really thinking about that. That was a great exercise that we did in our workshop. But this idea that\u0026#39;s really what this is is guessing. I seem to have this superpower for propositions, like knowing what would be the thing to do and then proving that. That\u0026#39;s true. But then taking that proof and creating a protocol that can be packaged and become property is a. That\u0026#39;s a different skill set altogether and it\u0026#39;s not as much. It\u0026#39;s not as much. My unique ability, my superpower zone, is taking, you know, making propositions and proving them. I\u0026#39;m a really good guesser. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s my strength yeah. Yeah, I think the what I\u0026#39;m doing because it\u0026#39;s, um, I\u0026#39;m really thinking a lot about it based on the last, um, uh, free zone workshop, which I did on monday and, uh, you know, monday of the week before last in toronto, where you were yeah, and and then I did it on Thursday again and I reversed the whole day oh really I reversed the whole day. I started off with guessing and betting and then indecision versus bad decision. And then the afternoon I did the second company secret and it worked a lot better. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe flow was a lot better. Company secret and it worked a lot better. The flow was a lot better. But the big thing is that people say well, how do I? Um, I I just don\u0026#39;t know how I you know that. Um, I\u0026#39;m telling them and they\u0026#39;re asking me. So I\u0026#39;m telling them every time you take your unique ability and help someone transform their DOS issues, you\u0026#39;re actually creating perspective. Intellectual property. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd they said, well, I don\u0026#39;t see quite how that works. I don\u0026#39;t see how that works, so I\u0026#39;ve been, you know, and I\u0026#39;m taking them seriously. They don\u0026#39;t see how that works. So I said, well, the impact filter is actually the solution. Okay, because you do the DOS question with them. You know, if we were having this discussion a year from now and you were looking back over the year, what has to have happened for you to feel happy with your progress? Okay, and specifically, what dangers do you have that need to be eliminated, what opportunities do you have that need to be captured, and what strengths do you have that need to be maximized? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd there\u0026#39;s a lot of very interesting answers that are going to come out of that, and the answers actually their answers to your question actually are the raw material for creating intellectual property the reason being is that what they\u0026#39;re saying is unique and how you\u0026#39;re listening to it is unique because of your unique ability so the best thing is do it, do an impact filter on what your solution is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo the best solution is best result solution is this. Worst result solution is this. And then here are the five success criteria, the eight success criteria that we have to go through to achieve the best result and that is the basis for intellectual property. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e What you write in that thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So that\u0026#39;s where I\u0026#39;m going next, because I think if we can get a lot of people over that hump, you\u0026#39;re going to see a lot more confidence about what they\u0026#39;re creating as solutions and understanding that these solutions are property. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s what I\u0026#39;m saying, that\u0026#39;s what I\u0026#39;m thinking. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s your guessing and betting yeah yes I agree and I think that that uh you know, I mean, I\u0026#39;ve had that to me going through this exercise of thinking, through that vision, column you know that the ultimate outcome is property, and once you have that property, it becomes it\u0026#39;s a capability. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s a capability. Now right, that\u0026#39;s something that you have. If it\u0026#39;s not property, it\u0026#39;s an opportunity for somebody to steal something ah right exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, I just think there\u0026#39;s an inhibition on the part of entrepreneurs that if they have a really neat solution but it\u0026#39;s not named and packaged and protected, um, it isn\u0026#39;t going to really do them any good because they\u0026#39;re going to be afraid. Look, if I say this, I\u0026#39;m in a conference somewhere and I say this, somebody\u0026#39;s going to steal it. Then they\u0026#39;re going to use it, then I I can\u0026#39;t stop them from doing that. So the way I\u0026#39;m going to stop people from stealing my creativity is not to tell people what I\u0026#39;m creating. Right, it\u0026#39;s just, it\u0026#39;s just going to be me in my basement. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I bet no. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I bet the vast majority of creative entrepreneurs they\u0026#39;re the only ones who know they\u0026#39;re creative because they\u0026#39;re afraid of sharing their creativity, because it\u0026#39;s not distinct enough that they can name it and package it and project it, getting the government to give you a hand in doing that Right yeah. Yeah, and I don\u0026#39;t know maybe it\u0026#39;s just not a goal of theirs to have intellectual property. Maybe it\u0026#39;s you know it\u0026#39;s a goal of mine to have everything be intellectual property, but maybe it\u0026#39;s just not the goal of a lot of other people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e What do? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e you think. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that once you start to understand what the practical you know value, the asset value of having intellectual property, I think that makes a big difference. I think that\u0026#39;s where you\u0026#39;re, I mean you\u0026#39;re. It\u0026#39;s interesting that you are certainly leading the way, you know. I found it fascinating when you mentioned that if you were, you know, were measured as a Canadian company, that it would be the ninth or something like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, during a 12-month period 23 to 24,. Based on the research that the Globe and Mail Toronto paper did, that the biggest was one of the big banks. They had the most intellectual property and if our US patents counted in Canada because I think they were just, they were just counting Canadian government patents that we would have been number nine and we\u0026#39;re. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eyou know, we\u0026#39;re a tiny little speck on the windshield, I mean we\u0026#39;re not a big company, but what I notice when I look at Canada very little originality is coming out of Canada and, for example, the biggest Canadian company with patents during that 12-month period was TD Bank. Yeah, and they had 240. 240, I mean that might be how many Google send in in a week. You know that might be the number of patents. That wouldn\u0026#39;t be necessarily a big week at Google or Amazon or any of the other big American, because Americans are really into Americans are really, really into property. That\u0026#39;s why they want Greenland. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And Panama. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And Alberta. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Panama, alberta and Greenland. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And the Gulf of America, yeah, the Gulf of America and property. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Even if it\u0026#39;s not actual. They want titular property. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I haven\u0026#39;t seen any complaints from Mexico. I mean, I haven\u0026#39;t seen any complaints. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eMaybe there have been complaints, but we just haven\u0026#39;t seen them. No, no, from now on it\u0026#39;s the Gulf of America, which I think is rather important, and when Google just switches, I mean, google hasn\u0026#39;t been a very big Trump fan and yet they took it seriously. Yeah, now all the tech\u0026#39;s official. It\u0026#39;s interesting talking to people and they say what\u0026#39;s happening? What\u0026#39;s happening? We don\u0026#39;t know what\u0026#39;s happening. I say, well, it\u0026#39;s like the end of a Monopoly game. One of the things you have to do when you end one Monopoly game is all the pieces have to go back in the box, like Scrabble. You play Scrabble, all the pieces go back in the box at the end of a game. And I said, this is the first time since the end of the Second World War that a game is ending and all the pieces are going back into the box, except when you get to the next step. It\u0026#39;s a bigger box, it\u0026#39;s a different game board, there\u0026#39;s more pieces and different rules. So this is what\u0026#39;s happening right now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s a new game the old game is over, new game is starting and, um, if you just watch what donald trump\u0026#39;s doing, you\u0026#39;re getting an idea what the new game is. Yeah, I think you\u0026#39;re right, and one of the new game is intellectual property. Intellectual property I think this is one of the new parts of the new game. And the other thing is it\u0026#39;s all going to be one-to-one deals. I don\u0026#39;t think there\u0026#39;s going to be any more multi-party deals. You know, like the North American Free Trade Act, supposedly is the United States, canada and Mexico In Europe. If you look at it, it\u0026#39;s Canada and Mexico, it\u0026#39;s Mexico and the United States and it\u0026#39;s the United States and Canada. These are separate deals. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey\u0026#39;re all separate deals. That\u0026#39;s what I think is happening. States, Canada and these are separate deals. They\u0026#39;re all separate deals. Oh, interesting, yeah, and that\u0026#39;s what I think is happening. It\u0026#39;s just one-to-one. No more multilateral stuff it\u0026#39;s all one-to-one. For example, the US ambassador is in London this week and they\u0026#39;re working out a deal between the UK and the United States, so no tariffs apply to British, british products oh interesting yeah and you\u0026#39;ll see it like the European Union. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI was saying the European Union wants to have a deal and I said European Union, where is the European Union? You know where is? That anyway, yeah yeah, I mean, if you look at the United Nations, there\u0026#39;s no European Union. If you look at NATO, there\u0026#39;s no European Union. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIf you look at the G20 of countries, there\u0026#39;s no European Union. There\u0026#39;s France, there\u0026#39;s Germany. You know, there\u0026#39;s countries we recognize. And I think the US is just saying if you don\u0026#39;t have a national border and you don\u0026#39;t have a capital, and you don\u0026#39;t have a government, we don\u0026#39;t think it exists. We just don\u0026#39;t think it exists. And Trump often talks about that 28 acres on the east side of Manhattan. He says boy, boy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWhat we could do with that right, oh, what we could do with that. You know they should. Just, you know who can do that. Who can do? United Nations, switzerland, send it to Switzerland. You know that\u0026#39;d be a nice place for the send it to there, you know like that and it just shows you that that was all. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAll those institutions were really a result of the Second World War and the Cold War, which was just a continuation of the Second World War. So I think that\u0026#39;s one of the really big things that\u0026#39;s happening in the world right now. And the other thing I want to talk to you about is Doge. I think Doge is one of the most phenomenally big breakthroughs in world history. What\u0026#39;s happening with Elon Musk and his team. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I know you\u0026#39;ve been really following that with great interest. Tell me what\u0026#39;s the latest. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s the first time in human history that you can audit government, bureauc, audit government, bureaucratic government, the part of government. You don\u0026#39;t see Millions and millions of people who are doing things but you don\u0026#39;t know what they\u0026#39;re doing. There\u0026#39;s no way of checking what they\u0026#39;re doing. There\u0026#39;s no way for them. And it was proven because Musk, about four weeks ago, sent out a letter to every federal employee, said last week, tell me five things that you did. And the results were not good. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think the same thing is happening when people are questioned about their at-home working accomplishments too. Yeah, but that\u0026#39;s the Well, lamar Lark, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Lamar. I don\u0026#39;t think you\u0026#39;ve ever met Lamar. He\u0026#39;s in the number one Chicago Free Zone workshops, so we have two and a quarter and he\u0026#39;s in the first one. And he has all sorts of interesting things. He\u0026#39;s got Chick-fil-A franchises and other things like that, okay, and he created his own church, which is a very I have met Lamar yeah, which is a very American activity. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It creates your own church, you know yes yes, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s why Americans are so religious is because America is the first country that turned religion into an entrepreneurial activity. Got yourself a hall. You could do it right there in the courtyard of the Valhalla. How many chairs could you? If you really pushed it, how many chairs could you get into the courtyard? Let\u0026#39;s see One, two three, four, five, not like the chair you\u0026#39;re sitting on. No, I\u0026#39;m kidding. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m just envisioning it. I could probably get 50 chairs in here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You got yourself, you know and set it up right, Get a good tax description yeah, you got yourself a religion there. That\u0026#39;s great. And you\u0026#39;re kind of tending in that direction with the word Valhalla, that\u0026#39;s exactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, would you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;d pay to spend an hour or two on Sunday with you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But here\u0026#39;s the big question, Dan Would you be committed enough to tithe? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yes, oh yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Then we\u0026#39;d really be on to something you know. We could just count on you for your tithe to the church. That would be. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That would really get us on our feet, but anyway, I was telling this story about Lamar. So he and his wife have a friend, a woman, who works for the federal government in Chicago, and so they were just talking over dinner to the person and they said, well, what\u0026#39;s your day work, what\u0026#39;s your day you know when do you go into the? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eoffice. When do you go into the office? When do you go into the office? And she says, oh, I haven\u0026#39;t been to the office since before COVID. No, I know we are the office. And so they said, well, how does your home day work? And she says, well, at 830, you got to. You got to check in at 830. You check in at 830, you go online and then you put your j in at 8.30. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You check in at 8.30, you go online and then you put your jiggler on Jiggler, exactly I\u0026#39;ve heard about this and they said what\u0026#39;s the jiggler? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, the jiggler moves. Your mouse keeps checking into different. It keeps switching to different files, positions, yeah, yeah, files. And that\u0026#39;s the only thing that they can record from the actual office is that you\u0026#39;re busy moving from one file to the other. And he says, well, what are you doing while that\u0026#39;s happening? She said, well, I do a lot of shopping, you know I go out shopping and we have you know, and they come back and it goes from. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know it\u0026#39;ll stop because there\u0026#39;s coffee time, so we\u0026#39;ll stop for 10 minutes for coffee and then it\u0026#39;ll stop for lunch and stop for afternoon coffee. And then I checked out and I always check in five minutes early and I always check five minutes late, that\u0026#39;s amazing, isn\u0026#39;t it? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ethat\u0026#39;s what that\u0026#39;s what elon Elon Musk is discovering, because Elon Musk\u0026#39;s AI can actually discover what they did, and then it\u0026#39;s hard for the person to answer what were the five things you did last week? You know, and the truth is that I think I\u0026#39;m not saying that all civil servants are worthless. I\u0026#39;m not saying that at all. You have it right now. It\u0026#39;s recorded here. Your mechanism is recording that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI\u0026#39;m not saying that all civil servants are worthless but I do think it\u0026#39;s harder and harder for civil servants to prove their value, because you may have gone to five important meetings, but I bet those meetings didn\u0026#39;t produce any result. It\u0026#39;s hard for any civil servant and you can say what you did last week. I can say what I did last week, but you were basically just meeting with yourself. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, that\u0026#39;s I saw somebody and you produce something and you made a decision and something got created and that\u0026#39;s easy to prove. But I don\u0026#39;t think it\u0026#39;s easy in the civil service to prove the value of what you did the greatest raw resource in America for taking money that\u0026#39;s being spent one way taking that money away and spending on something else. I think this is the greatest source of financial transformation going forward, because about 15 states all of them Republican states have gotten in touch with Elon Musk and say whatever you\u0026#39;re doing in Washington, we want to do here, and I just he believes, according to his comments, that every year there\u0026#39;s $3 trillion that\u0026#39;s being badly spent $3 trillion you know, I got my little finger up to my mouth. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e$3 trillion, you know, this is that\u0026#39;s a lot of you know, I\u0026#39;m at the point where I think a million is still a big deal. You know, trillion is uh, yeah, uh. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I saw that somebody had invented a uh algorithm reader. They detected an algorithm in the like a fingerprint in the jiggler software. Oh that, yeah, so that you can overlay this thing and it would be able to identify that that\u0026#39;s a jiggler that\u0026#39;s a jiggler. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s a jiggler yeah, you got to because behind the jiggler is the prompter. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e The jiggler busters. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, exactly, he was on. He was interviewed, he and six members of his Doge team, you know, and how they\u0026#39;re talking about them being 19 and 20 year olds, about them being 19 and 20 year olds. These were part. These were powerful people who had stepped away from their companies and their jobs just for the chance to work with the Elon. One guy had five companies. He\u0026#39;s from Houston, he had five companies and he\u0026#39;s taken leave from his company for a year. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eJust to work on the doge project. Yeah, and so that guy was talking and he said you know what we discovered? The small business administration, he said, last year gave 300 million dollars in loans to children under 11 years old wow to their to that a person who had their social security number, their social insurance number. Right, and during that same year, we gave $300 million in loans to people who were over 120 years old. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s $600 million. That\u0026#39;s $600 million, that\u0026#39;s almost a billion. Anyway, that\u0026#39;s happening over and over. They\u0026#39;re just discovering these and those checks are arriving somewhere and somebody\u0026#39;s cashing those checks, but it\u0026#39;s not appropriate. So I think this is the biggest deal. I think this changes everything, and I\u0026#39;ve noticed that the Democratic Party is in a tailspin, and has been especially since they started the Doge project, because the people doing the jiggling and the people who where the checks are going to the run I bet 90% of them are Democrats the money\u0026#39;s going to democratic organizations, since going to democratic individuals and they\u0026#39;re going to be cash strapped. You know that they\u0026#39;ve been. This isn\u0026#39;t last year, this goes back 80 years. This has been going on since the New Deal, when the Democrats really took over Washington. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I bet this I bet they can track all the checks that went back 80 years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, this is that\u0026#39;s really something, isn\u0026#39;t it? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI was just thinking about yeah, this kind of transparency is really like. I think, when you really get down to it, we\u0026#39;re getting to a point where there\u0026#39;s the market does not support inefficiency anymore. It\u0026#39;s not baked in. If you have workers for instance, most of the time you have salaried workers your real expectation is that they\u0026#39;re going to be productive. I don\u0026#39;t know what the actual stats are, do you know? But let\u0026#39;s say that they\u0026#39;re going to be actually productive for 50% of the time. But you look at now just the ability to, especially on task-related things or AI type of things um, collins, chris no, chris johnson\u0026#39;s um, um, oh yeah um uh, you know the the ai dialers there, of being able, there\u0026#39;s zero. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They were doing, um, you know they were doing. Maybe you know the dialers were doing. You know, because some of the sometimes the other, the person at the other end they answered and they\u0026#39;d have a you know five minute call or something like that. So in a day in a day, like they have an eight hour thing they might do you know. 50, 50 call outs 50 or 60 calls yeah, his. Ai does 25,000 calls a minute. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Exactly that\u0026#39;s. What I mean is that those things are just that everything is compressed. Now there\u0026#39;s no, because it\u0026#39;s taken out all the air, all the fluff around it. What humans come with. You\u0026#39;re right what you said earlier about all the pieces going back in the box and we\u0026#39;re totally reset. Yeah, I think we\u0026#39;re definitely that you know yeah and the thing thing about this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e What I found interesting is that the request coming in from the states that they moved the doge you know the process department of government efficiency that I. I think he\u0026#39;s putting together a vast system that can be applied to any government you know, it could be, and, uh, and, but the all the requests came in from republican states, not from Democratic states, waste and abuse and waste and fraud. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eprobably for the over last 80 years, has been the party in the United States which was most invested in the bureaucracy of the government you know. And yeah, I mean, do you know anybody who works for the government? I mean actually, I mean you may have met the person, but I mean, do you know anybody who works for the government? I mean actually, I mean you may have met the person but I mean, I don\u0026#39;t know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eDo you do, do you know anybody who works for the government? I don\u0026#39;t believe, I do, really, and I do, and I don\u0026#39;t either right, I don\u0026#39;t I don\u0026#39;t, I don\u0026#39;t, neither you know I mean, I mean everybody I know is an entrepreneur everybody I know is entrepreneurial. And yeah, the people who aren\u0026#39;t entrepreneurial are the families. You know they would be family connections of the entrepreneurs. I just don\u0026#39;t know anybody who works for the government. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, I\u0026#39;ve been 50 years and I can\u0026#39;t say I know anybody who works for the government but, there\u0026#39;s lots of them. Yeah, yeah so they don\u0026#39;t they. They\u0026#39;re not involved in entrepreneurial circles, that\u0026#39;s for sure. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s Ontario Hydro or Ontario Power Generation. Is that the government? No, that\u0026#39;s the government, then I do. I know one person. I know one person that works for the government. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e All right, Send him an email and say what are five things you did last week? Yeah, what? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e did you do last week? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh my goodness, that\u0026#39;s so funny, impress me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it\u0026#39;s a stage in technological development, I think it\u0026#39;s a state, just where it has to do with the ability to measure, and this has been a vast dark space government that you can\u0026#39;t really, yeah, and in fairness to them, they couldn\u0026#39;t measure themselves. In other words, that they didn\u0026#39;t have the ability, even if they were honest and forthright and they were committed and they were productive, they themselves did not have the ability to measure their own activities until now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I think, and I think now they will, and I think now they will, and, but but anyway, I just think this is a major, major event. This is this is equal to the printing press. You know this is equal to to electricity. You can measure what government does electricity. You can measure what government does In the history of human beings. This is a major breakthrough. That\u0026#39;s amazing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So great Look around. You don\u0026#39;t want a time to be alive. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean depending on where you work I guess that\u0026#39;s absolutely true. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve been listening to, uh I was just listening, uh just started actually a podcast about uh, thomas edison, uh this is a really great podcast, one of my great, one of my great heroes. Yes, exactly, the podcast is called Founders. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Founders yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Founders. Yeah, david Sunra, I think, is the guy\u0026#39;s name and all he does is he reads biographies and then he gives his insights on the biographies. It\u0026#39;s just a single voice podcast. It\u0026#39;s not like guests or anything, it\u0026#39;s just him breaking down his lessons and notes from reading certain reading these biographies and it\u0026#39;s really well done. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut he had what turned me on he did. I first heard a podcast he did about Albert Lasker, who was the guy, the great advertising guy, the man who sold America and yeah, so I\u0026#39;ve been listening through and very interesting. But the Thomas Edison thing I\u0026#39;m at the point where he was talking about his first things. He sold some telegraph patent that he had an idea that he had created for $40,000, which was like you know a huge amount of money back then and that allowed him to set up Menlo Park. And then at the time Menlo Park was kind of out in the middle of nowhere and you know they asked why would you set up out there? And no distractions. And he created a whole you know a whole environment of where people were undistracted and able to invent and what you know. If they get bored, what are they going to do? They\u0026#39;re going to invent something, just creating this whole environment. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, he wasn\u0026#39;t distractible because he was largely deaf. He had childhood injury, yeah, so he wasn\u0026#39;t distracted by other people talking because he couldn\u0026#39;t really make out. So you know, he had to focus where he could focus. And yeah, there is actually in my hometown, which his hometown is called Milan, ohio. I grew up two miles. I grew up I wasn\u0026#39;t born there, but when I was two years old, we moved to a farm there. It was two miles from Edison. His home is there. It\u0026#39;s a museum. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Milan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Ohio and that was 1830s, somewhere 1838, something like that. I\u0026#39;m not quite sure. But there\u0026#39;s a business in Norwalk, Ohio, where we moved from the farm when I was 11 years old Ohio, where we moved from the farm when I was 11 years old, and there\u0026#39;s a business in there that started off as a dynamo company. Dynamo was sort of like an electric generator. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and we had dynamo in Georgetown. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e on the river, yeah, and that business continues since the mid-1800s, that business continues, and everything like that. My sense is that Edison put everything together that constitutes the modern scientific technological laboratory. In other words that Menlo Park is the first time you\u0026#39;ve really put everything together. That includes, you know, the science, the technology, the experimentation the creation of patents, the packaging of the new ideas, getting investment from Wall Street and everything. He created the entire gateway for the modern technological corporation, I think. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that\u0026#39;s amazing, very nice. I like to look at the. I like to trace the timelines of something right, like when you realize it\u0026#39;s very interesting when you think and you hear about the lore and you look at the accomplishments of someone like Thomas Edison or Leonardo da Vinci or anybody, you look at the total of what you know about what they were able to accomplish, but when you granularly get down to the timeline of it, you don\u0026#39;t, like you realize how. I think I remember reading about da vinci. I think he spent like seven years doing just this one uh, one period of projects. That was uh, um. So he puts it in perspective right of a of the, the whole of a career, that it really breaks down to the, the individual, uh chapters, that that make it up, you know, yeah, and it\u0026#39;s funny, I\u0026#39;ve written about somebody, Jim Collins the good to great author. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI heard him. His kind of hero was Peter Drucker and he remembers going to Peter Drucker and he had a bookshelf with all of his books. I think he had like 90 books or something that he had written, Peter Drucker, and he had them. Jim Collins set them up on his bookshelf and he would move a piece of tape that shows his current age against the age that Peter Drucker was when he had written those things and he realized that at you know, 50 years old, something like you know, 75% of Peter Drucker\u0026#39;s work was after that age and even into his 80s or whatever. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, most of my work is after 70. I was just going to say yeah, exactly, I look at that. You look at all of the things and then at 70, yeah, yeah, the actual stuff I\u0026#39;ve created is really yeah, that\u0026#39;s when I really started to produce a lot after 70. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Mm-hmm. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, a lot of R\u0026amp;D. I did a lot of R\u0026amp;D. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know, my goal is that 80 to 90 will be much more productive than 70 to 80. Yeah, I was talking to someone today interesting, very interesting physical fitness guy here in Toronto and he\u0026#39;s a really great chiropractor so he\u0026#39;s working. So I have I\u0026#39;m making great progress with the structural repair of my left knee. But there\u0026#39;s all sorts of functional stuff that has to come along with it and he\u0026#39;s my main man for doing this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut he was talking, he\u0026#39;s 50, and he said you know, my goal is that 60 to 70 is going to be my most active part of my life, you know, from mountain climbing to all these different really high endurance athletics and sports, and so we got talking and I just shared with him the idea that the real goal you should have or which covers a lot of other areas is that, if you\u0026#39;re like my goal for 90, I\u0026#39;m just going on 81, my goal for 90 is that I\u0026#39;m more ambitious at 90 than I am at the present. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I said that\u0026#39;s what that almost seems impossible, impossible well, well it is if you\u0026#39;re just looking at yourself as a single individual yeah but if you\u0026#39;re looking at yourself as someone who has an expand team, it\u0026#39;s actually very possible. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah yeah, you\u0026#39;re mine are those potato chips no, it\u0026#39;s a piece of cellophane wrapped around something. That was the word right Retired. And they\u0026#39;ve been retired for about five years or so and I hadn\u0026#39;t seen them in a couple of years. But it\u0026#39;s really interesting to, at 72, the uh, you know the, just the level you can tell just physically and everything mentally, everything about them. They\u0026#39;re on the, the decline phase of the thing they\u0026#39;re not ramping up. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, like just physically they are, um, you know they\u0026#39;re, they\u0026#39;re big, um cruisers. You know they\u0026#39;ve been going on cruises now every every six weeks or so, but, um, but yeah, no, no, uh, no more golf, no more. Like you see, they\u0026#39;re intentionally kind of winding things down, resigning to the yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s very interesting. I don\u0026#39;t know if you caught it in the news. It was, I think, right at the end of January. But you know the name Daniel Kahneman. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I know the name. Yeah, thinking fast and slow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Fast thinking slow yeah, he committed suicide in Switzerland. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I did not know that. When was that he? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e was 90 years old, I think it was January 28th. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And it was all planned out. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It was all planned out and he went to Switzerland to do it, because they have the legal framework where you can do that and everything else. And I found it so interesting that I did a whole bunch of perplexity searches and I said, because he was very influential, I never read his book, because I read the first five or 10 pages and it just didn\u0026#39;t seem that interesting to me and it seemed like he had. You know that he\u0026#39;s famous for that book and he\u0026#39;s famous for it, and it seemed to be that he\u0026#39;s kind of like a one trick pony. You know, he\u0026#39;s got a great book that really changed things. And then I started looking. I said, well, what else did he do besides that one book? And it\u0026#39;s not too much. And he did that, you know, 40 years ago. It was sort of something he did 40 years ago. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I just said gee, I wonder if he, you know, he just hasn\u0026#39;t been real productive. Wonder if he, you know, he just hasn\u0026#39;t been real productive, not not starting in january, but he hadn\u0026#39;t been real productive over the last 20 or 30 years and he did that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh, and anyway, you know, I don\u0026#39;t know. I don\u0026#39;t know that I\u0026#39;ve been living under a rock or whatever. I didn\u0026#39;t even realize that this was a real thing. I have a good friend in Canada whose grandfather is tomorrow scheduled for assisted. It\u0026#39;s a big thing in Canada. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Canada is the most leading country in incidents of people being assisted in committing suicide. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I have my suspicions. It\u0026#39;s a way for the government to cut checks to old people. You know like assist them to leave. You know I mean it\u0026#39;s just. What a confusing set of emotions that must bring up for someone you love. Confusing and disturbing about his committing suicide and it\u0026#39;s really a big topic, you know, because he was saying you can always get on top of whatever you\u0026#39;re experiencing and get useful lessons from it, right? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e and I said. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I said, well, you must have reached an empty week or something. You know I I don\u0026#39;t know what, what happened I, you know I mean right and uh, cause I I\u0026#39;m finding um the experience of being 80, the experience of being 70 and 80, very, very fruitful for coming up with new thoughts and coming up with new ideas right, you know and what, what is still important when you\u0026#39;re uh, you know, still important when you\u0026#39;re. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eyou know what is even more important and what is even more clear when you\u0026#39;re 80. That wasn\u0026#39;t clear when you were 50 or 60. I think that\u0026#39;s a useful thought. You know that\u0026#39;s a useful thought, yeah, but it\u0026#39;s really interesting. I never find suicide is understandable. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I know, yeah, I get it. I see that you think about that too. I\u0026#39;ve had that. I\u0026#39;ve had some other people, my cousin, years and years ago was the first person kind of close to me that had committed suicide, and you know. But you always think it\u0026#39;s just like you, I can\u0026#39;t imagine that like I. I can imagine, uh, just completely like disappearing or whatever you know starting off somewhere else, like complete, you know, reset, but not something that that final, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, I can understand just extreme, intolerable pain you know, I mean. I can, I can, I can totally get that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean, it\u0026#39;s just you. You just can\u0026#39;t go through another day of it. I I just totally understand that but, where it\u0026#39;s more of a psychological emotional you get a, got yourself in a corner and that, uh then, um, you know, I don\u0026#39;t really, um, I don\u0026#39;t really comprehend what\u0026#39;s going on there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, I I obviously something\u0026#39;s going on, but I you know, I, I obviously something\u0026#39;s going on, but I, just from, I\u0026#39;ve never had a suicidal thought. I mean, you know, I\u0026#39;ve had some low points, I\u0026#39;ve had some, but even on my low points I had something that was fun that day you know Right Right, right Right. Or I had an interesting thought. Yeah, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I\u0026#39;m yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I\u0026#39;m glad we hit on that topic because I said, you may think I know that the person doing it has a completely logical reason for doing it. It\u0026#39;s just not a logic that can be explained easily to other people yeah, when you\u0026#39;re not in that spot. I get it, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah anyway this was a good one. This was a good one. Yeah, now okay, wait actually yeah, I\u0026#39;ll be calling from chicago next week. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, perfect I\u0026#39;ll be here, yeah, um, yeah, I want to. I\u0026#39;d love to, um, if we remember, and if we don\u0026#39;t, that\u0026#39;s fine too, but if we remember, you brought up something the I would love to see and maybe talk about the difference between uh, you know, between 60, 70, 80, your thoughts of those things. Yeah, you\u0026#39;re getting to that point I\u0026#39;m 22 years behind you, so I\u0026#39;m just turning 59 right before you turn 81. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So that\u0026#39;d be something I\u0026#39;ll put some thought to it. I love it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Perfect, thanks, dan. All right, okay, thanks, bye. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we start by discussing the unpredictable nature of Toronto's weather and its amusing impact on the city's spring arrival. We explore the evolution of Formula One pit stops, highlighting the remarkable advancements in efficiency over the decades. This sets the stage for a conversation with our guest, Chris Collins, who shares his insights on balancing fame and wealth below the need for personal security.\r\n\r\nNext, we delve into the intricacies of the VCR formula—proposition, proof, protocol, and property. I share my experiences from recent workshops, emphasizing the importance of transforming ideas into intellectual property. We explore cultural differences between Canada and the U.S. in securing property rights, highlighting the entrepreneurial spirit needed to protect one's innovations.\r\n\r\nWe then examine the role of AI in government efficiency, with Elon Musk's technologies revealing inefficiencies in civil services. The discussion covers the political and economic implications of misallocated funds and how the market's growing intolerance for waste pushes productivity and accountability to the forefront.\r\n\r\nFinally, we reflect on the transformative power of technological advancements, drawing parallels to historical innovations like the printing press. \r\n","date_published":"2025-04-03T12:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/6f2f5d47-743c-4063-a883-b39348e2616e.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":63529346,"duration_in_seconds":3944}]},{"id":"1486b8df-2a2d-4996-b9be-09caf124fd21","title":"Ep150: Unexpected Skies and Local Legends  ","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/150","content_text":"In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we reflect on how places, people, and experiences shape our perspectives. The conversation begins with casual observations, from warm weather making transitions easier to memorable encounters like “Spam Man,” a mysterious figure spotted at the Hazleton Hotel.\nWe also explore the impact of changing landscapes, both physical and cultural. From real estate in Toronto to how cities evolve, we discuss how development can shape or diminish the character of a place. This leads to a broader conversation about timeless architecture, like Toronto’s Harris Filtration Plant, and how thoughtful design contributes to a city’s identity.\nTechnology’s role in daily life also comes up, especially how smartphones dominate attention. A simple observation of people walking through Yorkville reveals how deeply connected we are to our screens, often at the expense of real-world engagement. We contrast this with the idea that some things, like human connection and cooperation, remain unchanged even as technology advances.\nThe discussion closes with thoughts on long-term impact—what lasts and fades over time. Whether it’s historic buildings, enduring habits, or fundamental human behaviors, the conversation emphasizes that while trends come and go, specific principles and ways of thinking remain relevant across generations.\n\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\n\n  In Phoenix, during a rooftop party, we witnessed a surprise appearance of a SpaceX rocket, which sparked our discussion on extraordinary events blending with everyday life.\n    We explored the curious case of \"Spam man,\" a local legend in Hazleton, whose mysterious persona intrigued us as much as any UFO sighting.\n    We shared our fascination with the dynamic real estate landscape in Hazleton, discussing new constructions and their impact on scenic views.\n    Our conversation touched on unique weather patterns at the beaches near the lake, emphasizing the influence of water temperatures on seasonal climate variations.\n    We delved into the topic of warmer winters, reflecting on how both humans and nature adapt to milder temperatures, particularly during February 2024.\n    Our discussion included insights from Morgan Housel's book, which inspired our reflections on nature's resilience and adaptation over millions of years.\n    We highlighted local activities like windsurfing and kite skiing, noting the favorable wind conditions at the beaches, a rarity in Canada's cold-weather climate.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean: Mr Sullivan. \n\nDan: Mr Jackson. I hope you behaved when you were out of my sight. \n\nDean: I did. I'll have to tell you something. I can't tell you how much I appreciate the arrangement of this warm weather. For me, it's made the transition much more palatable warm weather. \n\nDan: for me it's made the transition much more palatable. \n\nDean: I mean our backstage team is really getting good at this sort of thing, and you know when we were in. \n\nDan: we were in Phoenix a couple of weeks ago and we had a rooftop party and right in the middle of the party we arranged for Elon Musk to send one of his rockets out. \n\nDean: I saw that a satellite launch yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, can you imagine that guy and how busy he is? But just you know, just to handle our request he just ended up with, yeah, must be some money involved with that. \n\nDean: Well, that's what happens, Dan. We have a positive attitude on the new budget. \n\nDan: Yeah, and you think in terms of unique ability, collaboration, you know, breakthroughs free zone you know, all that stuff, it's all. \n\nDean: it's the future. \n\nDan: Yeah. So good Well he sent the rocket up and they're rescuing the astronauts today. \n\nDean: Oh, is that right? How long has it been now since they've been? \n\nDan: It's been a long time seven, eight months, I think, Uh-huh, yeah and Boeing couldn't get them down. Boeing sent them up, but they couldn't get them down. You know, which is only half the job, really. \n\nDean: That was in the Seinfeld episode about taking the reservation and holding the reservation. Yeah. They can take the reservation. They just can't hold the reservation yeah. \n\nDan: It's like back really the integral part. Back during the moonshot, they thought that the Russians were going to be first to the moon. Kennedy made his famous speech. You know we're going to put a man on and they thought the Russians, right off the bat, would beat him, because Kennedy said we'll bring him back safely and the Russians didn't include that in their prediction. That's funny. \n\nDean: We had that. \n\nWe're all abuzz with excitement over here at the Hazleton. There's a funny thing that happened. It started last summer that Chad Jenkins Krista Smith-Klein is that her name yeah, yeah. So we were sitting in the lobby one night at the Hazleton here and this guy came down from the residences into the lobby. It was talking to the concierge but he had this Einstein-like hair and blue spam t-shirts that's, you know, like the can spam thing on it and pink, pink shorts and he was, you know, talking to the concierge. And then he went. \n\nThen he went back upstairs and this left such an impression on us that we have been, you know, lovingly referring to him as Spam man since the summer, and we've been every time here on alert, on watch, because we have to meet and get to know Spam man, because there's got to be a story behind a guy like that in a place like this. And so this morning I had coffee with Chad and then Chad was going to get a massage and as he walked into the spa he saw Spamman and he met him and he took a picture, a selfie, with him and texted it. But I haven't that. His massage was at 10 o'clock, so all I have is the picture and the fact that he met Spamman, but I haven't that. His massage was at 10 o'clock, so all I have is the picture and the fact that he met Spam man, but I don't have the story yet. \n\nBut it's just fascinating to me that this. I want to hear the story and know this guy now. I often wonder how funny that would appear to him. That made such an impression on us last summer that every time we've been at the Hazleton we've been sitting in the lobby on Spam man. Watch, so funny. I'll tell you the story tomorrow. I'll get to the bottom of it. \n\nDan: It's almost like UFO watchers. They think they saw it once and they keep going back to the same place you know hoping that'll happen again, yeah. \n\nDean: Is there a? \n\nDan: spot. Is there a spot at the Hazleton? \n\nDean: There is yeah. \n\nDan: Oh, I didn't know that. \n\nDean: So there's some eclectic people that live here, like seeing just the regulars or whatever that I see coming in and out of the of the residence because it shares. \n\nDan: There's a lot, you know, yeah that's a that's pretty expensive real estate. Actually, the hazelton, yeah for sure, especially if you get the rooftop one, although they've destroyed I I think you were telling me they've destroyed the value of the rooftop because now they're building 40-story buildings to block off the view. \n\nDean: I mean that's crazy. Right Right next door. Yeah, yeah, but there you go. How are things in the beaches as well? \n\nDan: Yeah. You know it's interesting because we're so close to the lake it's cooler in the summer and warmer in the winter, you know. \n\nDean: Oh, okay. \n\nDan: You know, because controlled by water temperatures. \n\nDean: Water temperatures. \n\nDan: Yes, exactly, I mean even you know, even if it's cold, you know the water temperature is maybe 65, 66. \n\nDean: Fahrenheit, you know it's not frigid. \n\nDan: It's not frigid. \n\nDean: They have wintertime plungers down here people who go in you know during the winter yeah, but this is that you and babs aren't members of the polar bear club that would not be us um but anyway, uh, they do a lot of uh windsurfing. \n\nDan: There's at the far end of our beach going uh towards the city. They have really great wind conditions there. You see the kite skiers. They have kites and they go in the air. It's quite a known spot here. I mean, canada doesn't have too much of this because we're such a cold-weather country. There isn't the water, it's pretty cold even during the summertime yeah exactly yeah, but the lake doesn't freeze, that's oh, it does, it does yeah, yeah we've had, we've had winters, where it goes out, you know, goes out a quarter mile it'll be. \n\nDean: I didn't realize that Wow. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but not this winter. It never froze over this winter, but we have, you know, within the last two or three winters, we've had ice on the. We've had ice, you know, for part of the winter. \n\nDean: It's funny to me, dan, to see this. Like you know, it's going gonna be 59 degrees today, so, yeah, it's funny to me to see people you know out wearing shorts and like, but it must be like a, you know, a heat wave. Compared to what? You had in the first half of march here, right, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah, so that's good. \n\nDan: Yeah, last February not this past month, but February of 2024, we had 10 days in February where it was over 70. \n\nDean: And. \n\nDan: I often wonder if the trees get pulled, the plants get pulled. \n\nDean: It triggers them to like hey, oh my. \n\nDan: God. But apparently temperature is just one of the factors that govern their behavior. The other one is the angle of the light. \n\nDean: And that doesn't change the angle of the sunlight. \n\nDan: Yeah, so they. You know I mean things work themselves out over millions of years. So you know there's, you know they probably have all sorts of indicators and you have 10 boxes to check and if only one of them is checked, that doesn't, it doesn't fool them. You know they have a lot of things that I sent you and I don't know if we ever discussed it or you picked it up after I recommended it was Morgan Housel, famous ever. \n\nDean: Did you like that? Did you like that? \n\nDan: book. I did, I loved. It was Morgan Housel famous ever. Did you like that? Did you like that book? \n\nDean: I did, I loved it. I mean it was really like, and I think ever you know, very, very interesting to me because of what I've been doing, you know the last little while, as I described, reading back over you know 29 years of journals, picking random things and seeing so much of what, so much of what, the themes that go that time feels the last. You know 30 years has gone by so fast that I, when I'm reading in that journal, I can remember exactly like where I was and I can remember the time because I would date and place them each journal entry. So I know where I was when I'm writing them. But I thought that was a really, I thought it was a really interesting book. What stood out for you from? \n\nDan: Yeah, I think the biggest thing is that really great things take a long time to create. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: Because they have to be tested against all sorts of changing conditions and if they get stronger, it's like you know they're going to last for a long time. \n\nDean: And. \n\nDan: I'm struck by it because the book, the little book that I'm writing for the quarter, is called the Bill of Rights Economy and the Bill of Rights really started with the United States. It was December 15th 1791. So that's when, I think, washington was just inaugurated at that time as the first president. But, how durable they are, and you can read the newspaper every day of things going on in Washington and you can just check off the first 10 amendments. This is a Fifth Amendment issue. \n\nThis is a second amendment you know and everything like that, and it's just how much they created such a durable framework for a country. They were about 3 million people at that time and now there are 300 and whatever probably upwards of 350 million. And basically, the country runs essentially according to those first 10 amendments and then the articles which say how the machinery of government actually operates. \n\nAnd it's by far the longest continuous governing system in the world. That's really interesting. But that's why you know I really like things that you know, that you know that have stood the test of time. I like having my life based on things that have stood the test of time. And then I've got, you know, I've got some really good habits which I've developed over the last 50 years of coaching. Got, you know, I've got some really good habits which I've developed over the last 50 years of coaching and you know they work. You know I don't fool around with things that work. Yeah Well, I want to bring in something. I really am more and more struck how there's a word that's used in the high technology field because I was just at Abundance 360. And it's the word disruption and it's seen as a good thing, and I don't see disruption as good. \n\nI don't really see it as a good thing. I see it as something that might happen as a result of a new thing, but I don't think the disruption is a good thing. \n\nDean: Yeah, it feels like it's not. It seems like the opposite of collaboration. Yeah, it really is. It feels like the negative. You know the I forget who said it, but you know the two ways they have the biggest building. \n\nDan: I really mean Chucky movie. \n\nDean: Yeah, there was somebody said the two ways to have the biggest building in town, the tallest building is to build the tallest building or to tear down all the other buildings that are taller than yours, and that's what disruption feels like to see in the real estate industry is always one that is, you know, set up as the big fat cat ready for disruption. \n\nAnd people have tried and tried to disrupt the real estate industry and, you know, I came away from the first, the first abundance 360, realizing that, you know, perhaps the thing that same makes real estate possible is that you can't digitize the last hundred feet of a real estate transaction. You know, and I think that there are certain industries, certain things that we are, that there's a human element to things. \n\nDan: That is very yeah, yeah, I mean, it's really interesting just to switch on to that subject. On the real, estate. If you take Silicon Valley, Hollywood and Wall Street, who are the richest people in the area Silicon? \n\nDean: Valley. \n\nDan: Hollywood and Wall Street. Who are the richest people in the area? \n\nDean: Silicon Valley Hollywood and Wall Street. \n\nDan: Who are the real money makers? \n\nDean: Yeah, Wall Street. \n\nDan: No, the real estate developers. \n\nDean: Oh, I see, oh, the real estate developers. Oh yeah, yeah, that's true, right, that's true. \n\nDan: I don't care what you've invented or what your activity is. I'll tell you the people who really make the money are the people who are into real estate. \n\nDean: Yeah, you can't digitize it, that's for sure. \n\nDan: Well, I think the answer is in the word. It's real. \n\nDean: What was that site, dan, that you were talking about? That was is it real? Or is it Bach or whatever? Or is it Guy or whatever? What was? Or is it AI or Bach? \n\nDan: Well, no, I was. Yeah, I was watching. It was a little, you know, it was on YouTube and it was Bach versus AI. \n\nDean: So what they've? \n\nDan: done. You know you can identify the. You know the building components that Bach uses to you know to write his music and then you know you can take it apart and you know you can say do a little bit of this, do a little bit of this, do a little bit of this. And then what they have? They play two pieces. They play an actual piece by Bach and then they play another piece which is Bach-like you know, and there were six of them. \n\nAnd there was a of them and there was a host on the show and he's a musician, and whether he was responding realistically or whether he was sort of faking it, he would say boy, I can't really tell that one, but I guessed on all six of them and I guessed I guessed right. \n\nDean: I know there was just something about the real Bach and I think I think it was emotional more than you know that could be the mirror neurons that you know you can sense the transfer of emotion through that music, you know. \n\nDan: Yeah, and I listen to Bach a lot I still get surprised by something he's got these amazing chord changes you know, and what he does. And my sense is, as we enter more and more into the AI world, our you know, our perceptions and our sensitivities are going to heighten to say is that the real deal or not? \n\nDean: you know yeah sensitivities are going to heighten to say is that the real deal or not? You know, and yeah, that's what you know, jerry Spence, I think I mentioned. \n\nDan: Jerry Spence about that that Jerry Spence said. \n\nDean: our psychic tentacles are in the background measuring everything for authenticity, and they can detect the thin clank of the counterfeit. Yeah, and I think that's no matter what. You can always tell exactly. I mean, you can tell the things that are digitized. It's getting more and more realistic, though, in terms of the voice things for AI. I'm seeing more and more of those voice caller showing up in my news feed, and we were talking about Chris Johnson. Chris Johnson, yeah, yeah, chris Johnson. \n\nDan: This is really good because he's really fine-tuned it to. First of all, it's a constantly changing voice. That's the one thing I noticed. The second version, first version, not so much, but I've heard two versions of the caller. And what I noticed is, almost every time she talks, there's a little bit of difference to the tone. There's a little bit, you know, and she's in a conversation. \n\nDean: Is it mirroring kind of thing, Like is it adapting to the voice on the other end? \n\nDan: Yeah, I think there's. I certainly think there's some of that. And that is part of what we check out as being legitimate or not, because you know that it wouldn't be the same, because there's meaning. You know meaning different meaning, different voice, if you're talking to an actual individual who's not you know, who's not real monotonic. But yeah, the big thing about this is that I think we get smarter. \n\nI was talking, we were on a trip to Israel and we were talking in this one kibbutz up near the Sea of Galilee and these people had been in and then they were forced out. In 2005, I think it was, the Israeli government decided to give the Gaza territory back to the Palestinians. But it was announced about six months before it happened and things changed right away. The danger kicked up. There was violence and you know, kicked up. And I was talking to them. You know how can you send your kids out? You know, just out on their own. And they said, oh, first thing that they learned. You know he said three, four or five years old. They can spot danger in people. \n\nYou know, if they see someone, they can spot danger with it. And I said boy oh boy, you know, it just shows you the, under certain conditions, people's awareness and their alertness kicks up enormously. They can take things into account that you went here in Toronto, for example. You know, you know, you know that's wild. \n\nDean: Yeah, this whole, I mean, I think in Toronto. \n\nDan: The only thing you'd really notice is who's offering the biggest pizza at the lowest price. \n\nDean: Oh, that's so funny. There's some qualitative element around that too. It's so funny. You think about the things that are. I definitely see this Cloudlandia-enhan. You know that's really what the main thing is, but you think about how much of what's going on. We're definitely living in Cloudlandia. I sat last night, dan, I was in the lobby and I was writing in my journal, and I just went outside for a little bit and I sat on one of the benches in the in front of the park. \n\nOh yeah, in front of the hotel and it was a beautiful night. \n\nDan: Like I mean temperature was? \n\nDean: yeah, it was beautiful. So I'm sitting out there, you know, on a Saturday night in Yorkville and I'm looking at March. I'm just yeah, I'm just watching, and I left my phone. I'm making a real concerted effort to detach from my oxygen tank as much as I can. Right, and my call, that's what I've been calling my iPhone right, because we are definitely connected to it. And I just sat there without my phone and I was watching people, like head up, looking and observing, and I got to. I just thought to myself I'm going to count, I'm going to, I'm going to observe the next 50 people that walk by and I'm going to see how many of them are glued to their phone and how many have no visible phone in sight, and so do you. \n\nDan: What was it? Nine out of 10? \n\nDean: Yeah, it wasn't even that. Yeah, that's exactly what it was. It was 46, but it wasn't even 10. Yeah, it was real. That's exactly what it was. It was 46. \n\nDan: It wasn't even 10%, it was 19. It wasn't even no, it was 19 out of 20. \n\nDean: Yeah, I mean, isn't that something, dan? Like it was and I'm talking like some of them were just like, literally, you know, immersed in their phone, but their body was walking, yeah, and the others, but their body was walking. But it's interesting too. \n\nDan: If you had encountered me. I think my phone is at home and I know it's not charged up. \n\nDean: Yeah, it's really something, dan, that was an eye-opener to me. It's really something, dan, that was an eye-opener to me, and the interesting thing was that the four that weren't on the phone were couples, so there were two people, but of the individuals, it was 100% of. The individuals walking were attached to their phones. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: And I think that's where we're at right now. \n\nDan: No, yeah, I don't know, it's just that. \n\nDean: No, I'm saying that's observation. \n\nDan: It's like Well, that's where we are, in Yorkville, in front of Okay, right, right, right yeah. No, it's just that I find Yorkville is a peculiarly Are you saying it's an outlier? It's not so much of an outlier but it's probably the least connected group of people in Toronto would be in Yorkville because they'd be out for the. They don't live there. You know most don't live there, they're and they're somewhere. There's probably the highest level of strangers you know, on any given night in toronto would probably be in yorkville I think it's sort of outliers sort of situation. \n\nI mean, I mean, if you came to the beaches on a yeah last night, the vast majority of people would be chatting with each other and talking with each other. They would be on their phones. I think think it's just a. It's probably the most what I would call cosmopolitan part of Toronto, in other words it's the part of Toronto that has the least to do with Toronto. \n\nDean: Okay. \n\nDan: It's trying to be New York, yorkville is trying to be. \n\nDean: New York. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's the Toronto Life magazine version of Toronto. \n\nDean: Yeah, you idealize the avatar of Toronto, right yeah? \n\nDan: In Toronto Life. They always say Toronto is a world-class city and I said no. I said, london's a world-class city. \n\nDean: New. \n\nDan: York is a world-class city. Tokyo is a world-class city. You know how, you know they're a world class city. \n\nDean: They don't have to call themselves a world class city. \n\nDan: They don't call themselves a world class city. They just are If you say you're a world class city. It's proof that you're not a world class city. \n\nDean: That's funny. Yeah, I'll tell you what I think. I've told you what really brought that home for me was at the Four Seasons in London at Trinity Square, and Qatar TV and all these Arab the Emirates TV, all these things, just to see how many other cultures there are in the world. I mean, london is definitely a global crossroads, for sure. \n\nDan: Yeah yeah. And that's what makes something the center, and that is made up of a thousand different little non-reproducible vectors. You know just, you know, just, you know. It's just that's why I like London so much. I just like London. It's just a great wandering city. You just come out of the hotel, walk out in any direction. Guarantee you, in seven minutes you're lost you have the foggiest idea where you are and you're seeing something new that you'd never seen before. And it's 25, the year 1625. \n\nDean: I remember you and I walking through London 10 years ago, wandering through for a long time and coming to one of these great bookstores. You know, yeah, but you're right, like the winding in some of the back streets, and that was a great time. Yeah, you can't really wander and wander and wander. \n\nDan: Yeah, it was a city designed by cows on the way home, right, exactly. Yeah, you can't really wander and wander and wander. \n\nDean: Yeah, it was a city designed by cows on the way home, Right exactly. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's really interesting. You know, that brings up a subject why virtual reality hasn't taken off, and I've been thinking about that because the buzz, you know how long ago was it? You would say seven years ago, seven, eight years ago everything's going to be virtual reality. Would that be about right? Oh, yeah, yeah. \n\nDean: That was when virtual reality was in the lead. Remember then the goggles, the Oculus, yeah, yeah, that was what, yeah, pre-covid, so probably seven years ago 17, 17. And it's kind of disappeared, hasn't it compared to you know? \n\nDan: why it doesn't have enough variety in it. And this relates back to the beginning of our conversation today. How do you know whether it's fake or not and we were talking on the subject of London that on any block, what's on that block was created by 10,000 different people over 500 years and there's just a minute kind of uniqueness about so much of what goes on there when you have the virtual reality. Let's say they create a London scene, but it'll be maybe a team of five people who put it together. \n\nAnd it's got a sameness to it. It's got, you know, oh definitely. \n\nDean: That's where you see in the architecture like I don't. You know, one of the things I always look forward to is on the journey from here to strategic coach. So tomorrow, when we ride down University through Queen's Park and the old University of Toronto and all those old buildings there that are just so beautiful Stone buildings the architecture is stunning. Nobody's building anything like that now. No, like none of the buildings that you see have any soul or are going to be remembered well and they're not designed. \n\nDan: They're not really designed to last more than 50 years. I have a architect. Well, you know richard hamlin he says that those, the newest skyscrapers you see in Toronto, isn't designed to last more than 50 years. You know, and, and you know, it's all utilitarian, everything is utilitarian, but there's no emphasis on beauty, you know. \n\nThere's no emphasis on attractiveness. There's a few but not many. Attractiveness there's a few but not many. And, as a matter of fact, my favorite building in Toronto is about six blocks further down the lake from us, right here. It's called the Harris Filtration Plant. \n\nDean: Oh yeah, we've walked by there, right at the end of the building. \n\nDan: Built in 19, I think they finished in 1936. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: And it's just an amazing building. I mean it's on three levels, they have three different buildings and it goes up a hill and it's where the water. You know, at that time it was all the water in Toronto that came out of the lake and they have 17 different process. You know the steps. And you go in there and there's no humans in there, it's all machinery. You can just hear the buzz and that's the water being filtered. It's about a quarter of the city now comes through that building. \n\nBut it's just an absolutely gorgeous building and they spared no cost on it. And the man who built it, harris, he was the city manager. They had a position back there. It was city manager and it was basically the bureaucrat who got things done, and he also built the bridge across the Down Valley on Bloor. \n\nDean: Yeah, beautiful bridge Right. \n\nDan: He built that bridge and he was uneducated. He had no education, had no training, but he was just a go-getter. He was also in charge of the water system and the transportation system. And you know he put in the first streetcars and everything like that, probably the greatest bureaucrat toronto ever had, you know in the history of toronto this is the finest what year is that building from? \n\nyeah, the filtration plant was started in 29 and it was finished in 36 and wow they yeah, they had to rip out a whole section. It was actually partially woods, partially, I think, you know they had everything there, but they decided that would be the best place to bring it in there. \n\nDean: You know it's got a lot more than 100 years. \n\nDan: Yeah, but it's the finest building it's it's rated as one of the top 10 government buildings in north america yeah, it's beautiful. \n\nDean: And that bridge I mean that bridge in the Don Valley is beautiful too. \n\nDan: Yeah, it was really interesting. He put the bridge in and the bridge was put in probably in the 30s too. I mean that was vital because the valley really kept one part of Toronto apart from the other part of Toronto. It was hard to get from one part of Toronto apart from the other part of Toronto. You know, it's hard to get from one part of Toronto to the next. And so they put that bridge in, and that was about in the 30s and then in the no, I think it was in the 20s, they put that in 1920, so 100 years. \n\nAnd in the 1950s they decided to put in their first subway system. So they had Yonge Street and so Yonge Street north, and then they had Buller and Danforth. So they budgeted that they were going to really have to retrofit the bridge. And when they got it and they took all the dimensions, he had already anticipated that they were going to put a subway in. So it was all correct. And so anyway, he saw he had 30 or 40 years that they were going to put up. They would have to put a subway in. So it was all correct and yeah and so anyway he saw I had 30 or 40 years that they were going to put up. \n\nThey would have to put, they're going to put the subway and it had to go through the bridge and so so they didn't have to retrofit it at all. Yeah, pretty cool. \n\nDean: What do you think we're doing now? That's going to be remembered in 100 years or it's going to be impacted in 100 years? \n\nDan: Well, we're not going backwards with technology, so any technology we have today we'll have 100 years from now. So you know, I mean I think the you know. Well, you just asked a question that explains why I'm not in the stock market. \n\nDean: Exactly. Warren Buffett can't predict what's going to happen. We can't even tell what's going to change in the next five years. \n\nDan: I don't know what's going to happen next year. I don't know what's going to happen next year. \n\nDean: Isn't it interesting? I think a lot of the things that we're at could see, see the path to improvement or expansion, like when the railroad came in. You know it's interesting that you could see that that was we. You know, part of it was, you know, filling the territory, connecting the territory with all the, with all this stuff, and you could see that happening. But even now, you know, this is why warren buffett, you know, again with the, probably one of the largest owners of railroad things in the states, him, yeah, and because that's not changed in 200, yeah, or whatever, 150 years anyway, yeah, yeah, yeah, most of the country probably, you know, 150 years at least. \n\nYeah, and so all of that, all those things, and even in the first half of the 1900s, you know all the big change stuff, yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: So it's funny because it's like I can't even see what categories are the biggest. \n\nDan: Well, I think they'll be more intangibles than tangibles. For example, I think all my tools work 100 years from now. Yeah, I think all my thinking tools work 100 years from now. \n\nDean: Well, because our brains will still be the same in 100 years. Yeah, all that interaction, right, the human behavior stuff. \n\nDan: yeah, yeah yeah I don't think human behavior, um I think it's really durable you know, and that it's very interesting, um, and there was a phrase being used at Abundance that was used about four or five times during the two days that we were becoming godlike, and I said, no, I don't think so. \n\nDean: I guess are they saying in that we can do things because of technology, we can do things. \n\nDan: And I said nah, it's just the next. It's just the next new thing. You know that we've created, but human nature is, you know, there's a scientist, Joe Henrich, and a really bright guy. He's written a book you might be interested in. It's called the Secret of Our Success. \n\nAnd he was just exploring why humans, of all the species on the planet, became the dominant species. And you wouldn't have predicted it. Because we're not very fast, we're not very strong, we don't climb particularly well, we don't swim particularly well, we can't fly and everything like that. So you know, compared with a lot of the other species. But he said that somewhere along the line he buys into the normal thing that we came from ape-like species before we were human. But he says at one point there was a crossover and that one ape was looking at another ape. And he says he does things differently than I. I do. If I can work out a deal with him, he can do this while I'm doing that and we're twice as well. \n\nDean: I was calling that. \n\nDan: I've been calling that the cooperation game but that's really and that's playing that and we're the only species that can continually invent new ways to do that, and I mean every most. You know higher level. And mammals anyway can cooperate. You know they cooperate with each other. They know a friend from anatomy and they know how to get together. But they don't know too much more at the end of their life than they knew at the beginning of their life. You know in other words. \n\nThey pretty well had it down by the time they were one year old and they didn't invent new ways of cooperating really. But humans do this on a daily basis. Humans will invent new ways of cooperating from morning till night. And he says that's the reason we just have this infinite ability to cooperate in new ways. And he says that's the reason we just have this infinite ability to cooperate in new ways. And he says that's why we're the top species. The other thing is we're the only species that take care of other species. We're the only species that study and document other species. We're the only species that actually create new species. \n\nYou know put this together with that and we get something. Yeah, yeah and so, so, so, anyway, and so that's where you begin the. You know if you're talking about sameness. What do we know 100 years from now? \n\nDean: What we know over the 100 years is that humans will have found almost countless new ways to cooperate with each other yeah, I think that that's, and but the access to right, the access to, that's why I think these, the access to capabilities, as a, you know, commodity I'm not saying commodity in a, you know, I'm not trying to like lower the status of ability, but to emphasize the tradability of it. You know that it's something that is a known quantity you know yeah. \n\nDan: But my sense is that the relative comparison, that one person, let's say you take 10 people. Let's take 100 people that the percentage of them that could cooperate with each other at high levels, I believe isn't any different in 2024 than it was in 1924. If you take 100 people. Some have very high levels to cooperate with each other and they do, and the vast majority of them very limited amount to cooperate with each other, but are you talking about. \n\nDean: That comes down, then, to the ability to be versus capability. That they have the capability. \n\nDan: Yeah, they have the capability, but they don't individually have the ability. \n\nDean: Right. \n\nDan: Yeah, and I don't think the percentage changes. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's why this whole, that's why we're I think you know, the environment that we're creating in FreeZone is an ecosystem of people who are, who get this. \n\nDan: Yeah, well, I don't think they, yeah, I don't think they became collaborative because they were in free zone. I think they were collaborative, looking for a better place to do it. \n\nDean: Yes, yeah, it's almost like it's almost so, just with the technologies. Now, the one thing that has improved so much is the ability to seamlessly integrate with other people, with other collaborators. \n\nDan: Yeah, now you're talking about the piano, you're not talking about the musicians, that's exactly right, but I think there really was something to that right. It's a good distinction. \n\nDean: It's a really good distinction that you've created. \n\nYeah, I should say yesterday at lunch you and I were talking about that I don't know that we've talked about it on the podcast here the difference, the distinction that we've discovered between capability and ability. And so I was looking at, in that, the capability column of the VCR formula, vision, capability, reach that in the capability column I was realizing the distinction between the base of something and the example that I gave was if you have a piano or a certain piece of equipment or a computer or a camera or whatever it is. We have a piano, you have the capability to be a concert pianist, but without the ability to do it. You know that. You're that that's the difference, and I think that everybody has access to the capabilities and who, not how, brings us in to contact with the who's right, who are masters at the capabilities? \n\nDan: Yeah, you're talking about in. You know the sort of society that we live in. Yes, Because you know there's you know there's, you know easily, probably 15% of the world that doesn't have access to electricity. \n\nDean: Yes exactly. \n\nDan: I mean, they don't have the capability, you know, they just don't have yeah, yeah and yeah, it's a very, very unequal world, but I think there's a real breakthrough thinking that you're doing here. The fact that there's capability says nothing about an individual's ability. \n\nDean: Right, that's exactly it. Yeah, and I think this is a very important idea, but I'm not going to write a book on it. Oh, my goodness, this is example, a right, I had the capability, with the idea of the capability and ability. Yeah, yeah, I didn't have the ability. Yeah, I've heard, do you know, the comedian Ron White? \n\nDan: Yeah, I have the capability to write a book and I have the ability to write a book, but I'm not going to do either. \n\nDean: So he talked about getting arrested outside of a bar and he said I had the right to remain silent, but I didn't have the ability that's pretty funny, right. But yeah, this is really like it's exciting. It's exciting times right now. I mean it really is exciting times to even projecting for the next, the next 30 years. I think I see that the through line, you know, is that you know that a brunch at the four seasons is going to be an appealing thing 30 years from now, as it is now and was 30 years ago, or three line stuff, or yeah, or some such hotel in toronto yes exactly right. \n\nDan: Right, it may not be. Yeah, I think the four seasons, I think is pretty durable. And the reason is they don't own any of their property. \n\nDean: You know and I think that's. \n\nDan: They have 130 hotels now. I'm quite friendly with the general manager of the Nashville Four Seasons because we're there every quarter Four Seasons because we're there every quarter and you know it's difficult being one of their managers. I think because you have two bosses, you have the Four. Seasons organization but you also have the investor, who owns the property, and so they don't own any of their own property. That's all owned by investors. \n\nDean: Right. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: So go ahead. When was the previous? I know it's not the original, but when was the one on Yorkville here Yorkville and Avenue? When was that built? Was that in the 70s or the 60s? \n\nDan: Well, it was a Hyatt. It was a Hyatt Hotel. \n\nDean: Oh, it was, they took it over. \n\nDan: Yeah, and it was a big jump for them and that was, you know, I think it was in the 60s, probably I don't know when they started exactly I'll have to look that up, but they were at a certain point they hit financial difficulties because there's been ups and downs in the economy and they overreach sometimes, and the big heavy load was the fact that they own the real estate. So they sold all the real estate and that bailed them out. Real estate and that bailed them out. And then from that point forward, they were just a system that you competed for. If you were deciding to build a luxury hotel, you had to compete to see if the Four Seasons would be interested in coming in and managing it. Okay, so they. It's a unique process. Basically, it's a unique process that they have. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: It's got a huge brand value worldwide. You're a somebody as a city. If the Four Seasons come to your city, I think you're right. Ottawa used to have one. It doesn't have one now. Vancouver used to have one. It doesn't have one now. I think, calgary had one. Calgary doesn't Because now Vancouver used to have one, doesn't have one now I think Calgary had one. Calgary doesn't Because it was a Canadian hotel to start with. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: And Belleville had one at one time. \n\nDean: Oh, really yeah. \n\nDan: I'm one of the few people who have stayed at the Belleville Four Seasons. \n\nDean: Hotel the Belleville Four Seasons. \n\nDan: Yeah, of all the people you know, dean dean, I may be the only person you know who stayed at the belleville four seasons now, what they did is they had a partnership with bell canada. Bell canada created the training center in belleville oh and uh, and they did a deal four seasons would go into it with them. So they took over a motel and they turned it into Four Seasons, so they used it as their training center. Okay, so you know, it was trainees serving trainees, as it turned out. \n\nDean: I forget who I was talking to, but we were kind of saying it would be a really interesting experience to take over the top two floors of the hotel beside the Chicago Strategic Coach, there the Holiday Inn or whatever that is. Take over the top two floors and turn those into a because you've got enough traffic. That could be a neat experience, yeah. \n\nDan: It wouldn't be us. \n\nDean: Oh well, I need somebody. You know that could be a an interesting. I think if that was an option there would be. \n\nDan: Probably work better for us to have a floor of one of the hotels. \n\nDean: That's what I meant. Yeah, a floor of the the top two floors of the hotel there to get. Yeah, there's two of them. That's what I meant. Yeah, a floor of the top two floors of the hotel there to get. \n\nDan: Yeah, there's two of them. There's two of them. \n\nDean: Oh, yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: There's the Sheraton, and what's Sinesta? Sinesta, right the. \n\nDean: Sinesta is the one I'm thinking of. \n\nDan: That's the closest one right, the one Scott Harry carries in the Right, right right. There you carries in them, right, yeah, well, it's an interesting, but it is what it is and we're, yeah, but we have almost one whole floor now and I mean those are that's a big building. It's got really a lot of square footage in the building. That's what. Is it cb re? Is it cb? You do know the nationwide. \n\nDean: Oh yeah. \n\nDan: Coldwood Banker. Oh yeah, yeah, coldwood Banker, that's who our landlord is. And they're good they're actually good, but they've gone through about three owners since we've been there. We've been there, 25 years, 26. This is our 26th year. Yeah, and generally speaking they've been good landlords that we've had. Yeah, it's well kept up. They have instant response when you have a maintenance problem and everything. I think they're really good. \n\nDean: Yeah, well, I'm going to have to come and see it. Maybe when the fall happens, maybe between the good months, the fall or something, I might come and take a look. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. \n\nDean: Well, I'm excited and take a look yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Well. \n\nDan: I've been there. Yeah, we have our workshop. We have our workshop tomorrow here and then we go to Chicago and we have another one on Thursday and then the second Chicago workshop for the quarter is in the first week of April. Oh, wow, yeah, yeah, and this is working out. We'll probably be a year away, maybe a year and a half away, from having a fourth date during the quarter. Oh, wow. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: Do we? \n\nDean: have any new people for FreeZone Small? \n\nDan: Don't know Okay. \n\nDean: No one is back. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, I don't really know, I don't really know, I think we added 30 last year or so it's. The numbers are going up. Yes, that's great. Yeah, I think we're about 120 total right now. That's awesome. That's awesome. Yeah, yeah, it's fun, though. It's nice people. \n\nDean: Yeah, it's nice to see it all. It's nice to see it all growing. Very cool, all right well, enjoy yourself. Yes, you too and I will see you. Tonight at five. That's right, all right, I'll be there. \n\nDan: Thanks Dan. \n\nDean: Okay. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we reflect on how places, people, and experiences shape our perspectives. The conversation begins with casual observations, from warm weather making transitions easier to memorable encounters like “Spam Man,” a mysterious figure spotted at the Hazleton Hotel.\u003cbr\u003e\nWe also explore the impact of changing landscapes, both physical and cultural. From real estate in Toronto to how cities evolve, we discuss how development can shape or diminish the character of a place. This leads to a broader conversation about timeless architecture, like Toronto’s Harris Filtration Plant, and how thoughtful design contributes to a city’s identity.\u003cbr\u003e\nTechnology’s role in daily life also comes up, especially how smartphones dominate attention. A simple observation of people walking through Yorkville reveals how deeply connected we are to our screens, often at the expense of real-world engagement. We contrast this with the idea that some things, like human connection and cooperation, remain unchanged even as technology advances.\u003cbr\u003e\nThe discussion closes with thoughts on long-term impact—what lasts and fades over time. Whether it’s historic buildings, enduring habits, or fundamental human behaviors, the conversation emphasizes that while trends come and go, specific principles and ways of thinking remain relevant across generations.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul style=\"list-style-type: circle;\"\u003e\n\u003c/center\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eIn Phoenix, during a rooftop party, we witnessed a surprise appearance of a SpaceX rocket, which sparked our discussion on extraordinary events blending with everyday life.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe explored the curious case of \"Spam man,\" a local legend in Hazleton, whose mysterious persona intrigued us as much as any UFO sighting.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe shared our fascination with the dynamic real estate landscape in Hazleton, discussing new constructions and their impact on scenic views.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eOur conversation touched on unique weather patterns at the beaches near the lake, emphasizing the influence of water temperatures on seasonal climate variations.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe delved into the topic of warmer winters, reflecting on how both humans and nature adapt to milder temperatures, particularly during February 2024.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eOur discussion included insights from Morgan Housel's book, which inspired our reflections on nature's resilience and adaptation over millions of years.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe highlighted local activities like windsurfing and kite skiing, noting the favorable wind conditions at the beaches, a rarity in Canada's cold-weather climate.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Sullivan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Jackson. I hope you behaved when you were out of my sight. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I did. I\u0026#39;ll have to tell you something. I can\u0026#39;t tell you how much I appreciate the arrangement of this warm weather. For me, it\u0026#39;s made the transition much more palatable warm weather. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e for me it\u0026#39;s made the transition much more palatable. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean our backstage team is really getting good at this sort of thing, and you know when we were in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e we were in Phoenix a couple of weeks ago and we had a rooftop party and right in the middle of the party we arranged for Elon Musk to send one of his rockets out. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I saw that a satellite launch yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, can you imagine that guy and how busy he is? But just you know, just to handle our request he just ended up with, yeah, must be some money involved with that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that\u0026#39;s what happens, Dan. We have a positive attitude on the new budget. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and you think in terms of unique ability, collaboration, you know, breakthroughs free zone you know, all that stuff, it\u0026#39;s all. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e it\u0026#39;s the future. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. So good Well he sent the rocket up and they\u0026#39;re rescuing the astronauts today. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, is that right? How long has it been now since they\u0026#39;ve been? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s been a long time seven, eight months, I think, Uh-huh, yeah and Boeing couldn\u0026#39;t get them down. Boeing sent them up, but they couldn\u0026#39;t get them down. You know, which is only half the job, really. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That was in the Seinfeld episode about taking the reservation and holding the reservation. Yeah. They can take the reservation. They just can\u0026#39;t hold the reservation yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s like back really the integral part. Back during the moonshot, they thought that the Russians were going to be first to the moon. Kennedy made his famous speech. You know we\u0026#39;re going to put a man on and they thought the Russians, right off the bat, would beat him, because Kennedy said we\u0026#39;ll bring him back safely and the Russians didn\u0026#39;t include that in their prediction. That\u0026#39;s funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We had that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe\u0026#39;re all abuzz with excitement over here at the Hazleton. There\u0026#39;s a funny thing that happened. It started last summer that Chad Jenkins Krista Smith-Klein is that her name yeah, yeah. So we were sitting in the lobby one night at the Hazleton here and this guy came down from the residences into the lobby. It was talking to the concierge but he had this Einstein-like hair and blue spam t-shirts that\u0026#39;s, you know, like the can spam thing on it and pink, pink shorts and he was, you know, talking to the concierge. And then he went. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThen he went back upstairs and this left such an impression on us that we have been, you know, lovingly referring to him as Spam man since the summer, and we\u0026#39;ve been every time here on alert, on watch, because we have to meet and get to know Spam man, because there\u0026#39;s got to be a story behind a guy like that in a place like this. And so this morning I had coffee with Chad and then Chad was going to get a massage and as he walked into the spa he saw Spamman and he met him and he took a picture, a selfie, with him and texted it. But I haven\u0026#39;t that. His massage was at 10 o\u0026#39;clock, so all I have is the picture and the fact that he met Spamman, but I haven\u0026#39;t that. His massage was at 10 o\u0026#39;clock, so all I have is the picture and the fact that he met Spam man, but I don\u0026#39;t have the story yet. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut it\u0026#39;s just fascinating to me that this. I want to hear the story and know this guy now. I often wonder how funny that would appear to him. That made such an impression on us last summer that every time we\u0026#39;ve been at the Hazleton we\u0026#39;ve been sitting in the lobby on Spam man. Watch, so funny. I\u0026#39;ll tell you the story tomorrow. I\u0026#39;ll get to the bottom of it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s almost like UFO watchers. They think they saw it once and they keep going back to the same place you know hoping that\u0026#39;ll happen again, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Is there a? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e spot. Is there a spot at the Hazleton? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e There is yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I didn\u0026#39;t know that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So there\u0026#39;s some eclectic people that live here, like seeing just the regulars or whatever that I see coming in and out of the of the residence because it shares. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e There\u0026#39;s a lot, you know, yeah that\u0026#39;s a that\u0026#39;s pretty expensive real estate. Actually, the hazelton, yeah for sure, especially if you get the rooftop one, although they\u0026#39;ve destroyed I I think you were telling me they\u0026#39;ve destroyed the value of the rooftop because now they\u0026#39;re building 40-story buildings to block off the view. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean that\u0026#39;s crazy. Right Right next door. Yeah, yeah, but there you go. How are things in the beaches as well? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. You know it\u0026#39;s interesting because we\u0026#39;re so close to the lake it\u0026#39;s cooler in the summer and warmer in the winter, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, because controlled by water temperatures. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Water temperatures. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, exactly, I mean even you know, even if it\u0026#39;s cold, you know the water temperature is maybe 65, 66. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Fahrenheit, you know it\u0026#39;s not frigid. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s not frigid. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e They have wintertime plungers down here people who go in you know during the winter yeah, but this is that you and babs aren\u0026#39;t members of the polar bear club that would not be us um but anyway, uh, they do a lot of uh windsurfing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e There\u0026#39;s at the far end of our beach going uh towards the city. They have really great wind conditions there. You see the kite skiers. They have kites and they go in the air. It\u0026#39;s quite a known spot here. I mean, canada doesn\u0026#39;t have too much of this because we\u0026#39;re such a cold-weather country. There isn\u0026#39;t the water, it\u0026#39;s pretty cold even during the summertime yeah exactly yeah, but the lake doesn\u0026#39;t freeze, that\u0026#39;s oh, it does, it does yeah, yeah we\u0026#39;ve had, we\u0026#39;ve had winters, where it goes out, you know, goes out a quarter mile it\u0026#39;ll be. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I didn\u0026#39;t realize that Wow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah, but not this winter. It never froze over this winter, but we have, you know, within the last two or three winters, we\u0026#39;ve had ice on the. We\u0026#39;ve had ice, you know, for part of the winter. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s funny to me, dan, to see this. Like you know, it\u0026#39;s going gonna be 59 degrees today, so, yeah, it\u0026#39;s funny to me to see people you know out wearing shorts and like, but it must be like a, you know, a heat wave. Compared to what? You had in the first half of march here, right, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah, so that\u0026#39;s good. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, last February not this past month, but February of 2024, we had 10 days in February where it was over 70. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I often wonder if the trees get pulled, the plants get pulled. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It triggers them to like hey, oh my. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e God. But apparently temperature is just one of the factors that govern their behavior. The other one is the angle of the light. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And that doesn\u0026#39;t change the angle of the sunlight. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so they. You know I mean things work themselves out over millions of years. So you know there\u0026#39;s, you know they probably have all sorts of indicators and you have 10 boxes to check and if only one of them is checked, that doesn\u0026#39;t, it doesn\u0026#39;t fool them. You know they have a lot of things that I sent you and I don\u0026#39;t know if we ever discussed it or you picked it up after I recommended it was Morgan Housel, famous ever. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you like that? Did you like that? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e book. I did, I loved. It was Morgan Housel famous ever. Did you like that? Did you like that book? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I did, I loved it. I mean it was really like, and I think ever you know, very, very interesting to me because of what I\u0026#39;ve been doing, you know the last little while, as I described, reading back over you know 29 years of journals, picking random things and seeing so much of what, so much of what, the themes that go that time feels the last. You know 30 years has gone by so fast that I, when I\u0026#39;m reading in that journal, I can remember exactly like where I was and I can remember the time because I would date and place them each journal entry. So I know where I was when I\u0026#39;m writing them. But I thought that was a really, I thought it was a really interesting book. What stood out for you from? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think the biggest thing is that really great things take a long time to create. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Because they have to be tested against all sorts of changing conditions and if they get stronger, it\u0026#39;s like you know they\u0026#39;re going to last for a long time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m struck by it because the book, the little book that I\u0026#39;m writing for the quarter, is called the Bill of Rights Economy and the Bill of Rights really started with the United States. It was December 15th 1791. So that\u0026#39;s when, I think, washington was just inaugurated at that time as the first president. But, how durable they are, and you can read the newspaper every day of things going on in Washington and you can just check off the first 10 amendments. This is a Fifth Amendment issue. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThis is a second amendment you know and everything like that, and it\u0026#39;s just how much they created such a durable framework for a country. They were about 3 million people at that time and now there are 300 and whatever probably upwards of 350 million. And basically, the country runs essentially according to those first 10 amendments and then the articles which say how the machinery of government actually operates. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd it\u0026#39;s by far the longest continuous governing system in the world. That\u0026#39;s really interesting. But that\u0026#39;s why you know I really like things that you know, that you know that have stood the test of time. I like having my life based on things that have stood the test of time. And then I\u0026#39;ve got, you know, I\u0026#39;ve got some really good habits which I\u0026#39;ve developed over the last 50 years of coaching. Got, you know, I\u0026#39;ve got some really good habits which I\u0026#39;ve developed over the last 50 years of coaching and you know they work. You know I don\u0026#39;t fool around with things that work. Yeah Well, I want to bring in something. I really am more and more struck how there\u0026#39;s a word that\u0026#39;s used in the high technology field because I was just at Abundance 360. And it\u0026#39;s the word disruption and it\u0026#39;s seen as a good thing, and I don\u0026#39;t see disruption as good. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI don\u0026#39;t really see it as a good thing. I see it as something that might happen as a result of a new thing, but I don\u0026#39;t think the disruption is a good thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it feels like it\u0026#39;s not. It seems like the opposite of collaboration. Yeah, it really is. It feels like the negative. You know the I forget who said it, but you know the two ways they have the biggest building. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I really mean Chucky movie. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, there was somebody said the two ways to have the biggest building in town, the tallest building is to build the tallest building or to tear down all the other buildings that are taller than yours, and that\u0026#39;s what disruption feels like to see in the real estate industry is always one that is, you know, set up as the big fat cat ready for disruption. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd people have tried and tried to disrupt the real estate industry and, you know, I came away from the first, the first abundance 360, realizing that, you know, perhaps the thing that same makes real estate possible is that you can\u0026#39;t digitize the last hundred feet of a real estate transaction. You know, and I think that there are certain industries, certain things that we are, that there\u0026#39;s a human element to things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That is very yeah, yeah, I mean, it\u0026#39;s really interesting just to switch on to that subject. On the real, estate. If you take Silicon Valley, Hollywood and Wall Street, who are the richest people in the area Silicon? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Valley. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Hollywood and Wall Street. Who are the richest people in the area? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Silicon Valley Hollywood and Wall Street. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Who are the real money makers? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, Wall Street. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, the real estate developers. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I see, oh, the real estate developers. Oh yeah, yeah, that\u0026#39;s true, right, that\u0026#39;s true. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t care what you\u0026#39;ve invented or what your activity is. I\u0026#39;ll tell you the people who really make the money are the people who are into real estate. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you can\u0026#39;t digitize it, that\u0026#39;s for sure. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think the answer is in the word. It\u0026#39;s real. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e What was that site, dan, that you were talking about? That was is it real? Or is it Bach or whatever? Or is it Guy or whatever? What was? Or is it AI or Bach? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, no, I was. Yeah, I was watching. It was a little, you know, it was on YouTube and it was Bach versus AI. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So what they\u0026#39;ve? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e done. You know you can identify the. You know the building components that Bach uses to you know to write his music and then you know you can take it apart and you know you can say do a little bit of this, do a little bit of this, do a little bit of this. And then what they have? They play two pieces. They play an actual piece by Bach and then they play another piece which is Bach-like you know, and there were six of them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd there was a of them and there was a host on the show and he\u0026#39;s a musician, and whether he was responding realistically or whether he was sort of faking it, he would say boy, I can\u0026#39;t really tell that one, but I guessed on all six of them and I guessed I guessed right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I know there was just something about the real Bach and I think I think it was emotional more than you know that could be the mirror neurons that you know you can sense the transfer of emotion through that music, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and I listen to Bach a lot I still get surprised by something he\u0026#39;s got these amazing chord changes you know, and what he does. And my sense is, as we enter more and more into the AI world, our you know, our perceptions and our sensitivities are going to heighten to say is that the real deal or not? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e you know yeah sensitivities are going to heighten to say is that the real deal or not? You know, and yeah, that\u0026#39;s what you know, jerry Spence, I think I mentioned. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Jerry Spence about that that Jerry Spence said. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e our psychic tentacles are in the background measuring everything for authenticity, and they can detect the thin clank of the counterfeit. Yeah, and I think that\u0026#39;s no matter what. You can always tell exactly. I mean, you can tell the things that are digitized. It\u0026#39;s getting more and more realistic, though, in terms of the voice things for AI. I\u0026#39;m seeing more and more of those voice caller showing up in my news feed, and we were talking about Chris Johnson. Chris Johnson, yeah, yeah, chris Johnson. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e This is really good because he\u0026#39;s really fine-tuned it to. First of all, it\u0026#39;s a constantly changing voice. That\u0026#39;s the one thing I noticed. The second version, first version, not so much, but I\u0026#39;ve heard two versions of the caller. And what I noticed is, almost every time she talks, there\u0026#39;s a little bit of difference to the tone. There\u0026#39;s a little bit, you know, and she\u0026#39;s in a conversation. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Is it mirroring kind of thing, Like is it adapting to the voice on the other end? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think there\u0026#39;s. I certainly think there\u0026#39;s some of that. And that is part of what we check out as being legitimate or not, because you know that it wouldn\u0026#39;t be the same, because there\u0026#39;s meaning. You know meaning different meaning, different voice, if you\u0026#39;re talking to an actual individual who\u0026#39;s not you know, who\u0026#39;s not real monotonic. But yeah, the big thing about this is that I think we get smarter. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI was talking, we were on a trip to Israel and we were talking in this one kibbutz up near the Sea of Galilee and these people had been in and then they were forced out. In 2005, I think it was, the Israeli government decided to give the Gaza territory back to the Palestinians. But it was announced about six months before it happened and things changed right away. The danger kicked up. There was violence and you know, kicked up. And I was talking to them. You know how can you send your kids out? You know, just out on their own. And they said, oh, first thing that they learned. You know he said three, four or five years old. They can spot danger in people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, if they see someone, they can spot danger with it. And I said boy oh boy, you know, it just shows you the, under certain conditions, people\u0026#39;s awareness and their alertness kicks up enormously. They can take things into account that you went here in Toronto, for example. You know, you know, you know that\u0026#39;s wild. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, this whole, I mean, I think in Toronto. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The only thing you\u0026#39;d really notice is who\u0026#39;s offering the biggest pizza at the lowest price. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, that\u0026#39;s so funny. There\u0026#39;s some qualitative element around that too. It\u0026#39;s so funny. You think about the things that are. I definitely see this Cloudlandia-enhan. You know that\u0026#39;s really what the main thing is, but you think about how much of what\u0026#39;s going on. We\u0026#39;re definitely living in Cloudlandia. I sat last night, dan, I was in the lobby and I was writing in my journal, and I just went outside for a little bit and I sat on one of the benches in the in front of the park. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOh yeah, in front of the hotel and it was a beautiful night. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Like I mean temperature was? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e yeah, it was beautiful. So I\u0026#39;m sitting out there, you know, on a Saturday night in Yorkville and I\u0026#39;m looking at March. I\u0026#39;m just yeah, I\u0026#39;m just watching, and I left my phone. I\u0026#39;m making a real concerted effort to detach from my oxygen tank as much as I can. Right, and my call, that\u0026#39;s what I\u0026#39;ve been calling my iPhone right, because we are definitely connected to it. And I just sat there without my phone and I was watching people, like head up, looking and observing, and I got to. I just thought to myself I\u0026#39;m going to count, I\u0026#39;m going to, I\u0026#39;m going to observe the next 50 people that walk by and I\u0026#39;m going to see how many of them are glued to their phone and how many have no visible phone in sight, and so do you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e What was it? Nine out of 10? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it wasn\u0026#39;t even that. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s exactly what it was. It was 46, but it wasn\u0026#39;t even 10. Yeah, it was real. That\u0026#39;s exactly what it was. It was 46. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It wasn\u0026#39;t even 10%, it was 19. It wasn\u0026#39;t even no, it was 19 out of 20. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean, isn\u0026#39;t that something, dan? Like it was and I\u0026#39;m talking like some of them were just like, literally, you know, immersed in their phone, but their body was walking, yeah, and the others, but their body was walking. But it\u0026#39;s interesting too. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e If you had encountered me. I think my phone is at home and I know it\u0026#39;s not charged up. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s really something, dan, that was an eye-opener to me. It\u0026#39;s really something, dan, that was an eye-opener to me, and the interesting thing was that the four that weren\u0026#39;t on the phone were couples, so there were two people, but of the individuals, it was 100% of. The individuals walking were attached to their phones. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And I think that\u0026#39;s where we\u0026#39;re at right now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, yeah, I don\u0026#39;t know, it\u0026#39;s just that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I\u0026#39;m saying that\u0026#39;s observation. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s like Well, that\u0026#39;s where we are, in Yorkville, in front of Okay, right, right, right yeah. No, it\u0026#39;s just that I find Yorkville is a peculiarly Are you saying it\u0026#39;s an outlier? It\u0026#39;s not so much of an outlier but it\u0026#39;s probably the least connected group of people in Toronto would be in Yorkville because they\u0026#39;d be out for the. They don\u0026#39;t live there. You know most don\u0026#39;t live there, they\u0026#39;re and they\u0026#39;re somewhere. There\u0026#39;s probably the highest level of strangers you know, on any given night in toronto would probably be in yorkville I think it\u0026#39;s sort of outliers sort of situation. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean, I mean, if you came to the beaches on a yeah last night, the vast majority of people would be chatting with each other and talking with each other. They would be on their phones. I think think it\u0026#39;s just a. It\u0026#39;s probably the most what I would call cosmopolitan part of Toronto, in other words it\u0026#39;s the part of Toronto that has the least to do with Toronto. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s trying to be New York, yorkville is trying to be. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e New York. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s the Toronto Life magazine version of Toronto. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you idealize the avatar of Toronto, right yeah? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e In Toronto Life. They always say Toronto is a world-class city and I said no. I said, london\u0026#39;s a world-class city. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e New. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e York is a world-class city. Tokyo is a world-class city. You know how, you know they\u0026#39;re a world class city. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e They don\u0026#39;t have to call themselves a world class city. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They don\u0026#39;t call themselves a world class city. They just are If you say you\u0026#39;re a world class city. It\u0026#39;s proof that you\u0026#39;re not a world class city. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s funny. Yeah, I\u0026#39;ll tell you what I think. I\u0026#39;ve told you what really brought that home for me was at the Four Seasons in London at Trinity Square, and Qatar TV and all these Arab the Emirates TV, all these things, just to see how many other cultures there are in the world. I mean, london is definitely a global crossroads, for sure. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah yeah. And that\u0026#39;s what makes something the center, and that is made up of a thousand different little non-reproducible vectors. You know just, you know, just, you know. It\u0026#39;s just that\u0026#39;s why I like London so much. I just like London. It\u0026#39;s just a great wandering city. You just come out of the hotel, walk out in any direction. Guarantee you, in seven minutes you\u0026#39;re lost you have the foggiest idea where you are and you\u0026#39;re seeing something new that you\u0026#39;d never seen before. And it\u0026#39;s 25, the year 1625. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I remember you and I walking through London 10 years ago, wandering through for a long time and coming to one of these great bookstores. You know, yeah, but you\u0026#39;re right, like the winding in some of the back streets, and that was a great time. Yeah, you can\u0026#39;t really wander and wander and wander. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it was a city designed by cows on the way home, right, exactly. Yeah, you can\u0026#39;t really wander and wander and wander. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it was a city designed by cows on the way home, Right exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s really interesting. You know, that brings up a subject why virtual reality hasn\u0026#39;t taken off, and I\u0026#39;ve been thinking about that because the buzz, you know how long ago was it? You would say seven years ago, seven, eight years ago everything\u0026#39;s going to be virtual reality. Would that be about right? Oh, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That was when virtual reality was in the lead. Remember then the goggles, the Oculus, yeah, yeah, that was what, yeah, pre-covid, so probably seven years ago 17, 17. And it\u0026#39;s kind of disappeared, hasn\u0026#39;t it compared to you know? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e why it doesn\u0026#39;t have enough variety in it. And this relates back to the beginning of our conversation today. How do you know whether it\u0026#39;s fake or not and we were talking on the subject of London that on any block, what\u0026#39;s on that block was created by 10,000 different people over 500 years and there\u0026#39;s just a minute kind of uniqueness about so much of what goes on there when you have the virtual reality. Let\u0026#39;s say they create a London scene, but it\u0026#39;ll be maybe a team of five people who put it together. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd it\u0026#39;s got a sameness to it. It\u0026#39;s got, you know, oh definitely. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s where you see in the architecture like I don\u0026#39;t. You know, one of the things I always look forward to is on the journey from here to strategic coach. So tomorrow, when we ride down University through Queen\u0026#39;s Park and the old University of Toronto and all those old buildings there that are just so beautiful Stone buildings the architecture is stunning. Nobody\u0026#39;s building anything like that now. No, like none of the buildings that you see have any soul or are going to be remembered well and they\u0026#39;re not designed. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They\u0026#39;re not really designed to last more than 50 years. I have a architect. Well, you know richard hamlin he says that those, the newest skyscrapers you see in Toronto, isn\u0026#39;t designed to last more than 50 years. You know, and, and you know, it\u0026#39;s all utilitarian, everything is utilitarian, but there\u0026#39;s no emphasis on beauty, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere\u0026#39;s no emphasis on attractiveness. There\u0026#39;s a few but not many. Attractiveness there\u0026#39;s a few but not many. And, as a matter of fact, my favorite building in Toronto is about six blocks further down the lake from us, right here. It\u0026#39;s called the Harris Filtration Plant. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah, we\u0026#39;ve walked by there, right at the end of the building. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Built in 19, I think they finished in 1936. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And it\u0026#39;s just an amazing building. I mean it\u0026#39;s on three levels, they have three different buildings and it goes up a hill and it\u0026#39;s where the water. You know, at that time it was all the water in Toronto that came out of the lake and they have 17 different process. You know the steps. And you go in there and there\u0026#39;s no humans in there, it\u0026#39;s all machinery. You can just hear the buzz and that\u0026#39;s the water being filtered. It\u0026#39;s about a quarter of the city now comes through that building. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut it\u0026#39;s just an absolutely gorgeous building and they spared no cost on it. And the man who built it, harris, he was the city manager. They had a position back there. It was city manager and it was basically the bureaucrat who got things done, and he also built the bridge across the Down Valley on Bloor. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, beautiful bridge Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e He built that bridge and he was uneducated. He had no education, had no training, but he was just a go-getter. He was also in charge of the water system and the transportation system. And you know he put in the first streetcars and everything like that, probably the greatest bureaucrat toronto ever had, you know in the history of toronto this is the finest what year is that building from? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eyeah, the filtration plant was started in 29 and it was finished in 36 and wow they yeah, they had to rip out a whole section. It was actually partially woods, partially, I think, you know they had everything there, but they decided that would be the best place to bring it in there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know it\u0026#39;s got a lot more than 100 years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but it\u0026#39;s the finest building it\u0026#39;s it\u0026#39;s rated as one of the top 10 government buildings in north america yeah, it\u0026#39;s beautiful. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And that bridge I mean that bridge in the Don Valley is beautiful too. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it was really interesting. He put the bridge in and the bridge was put in probably in the 30s too. I mean that was vital because the valley really kept one part of Toronto apart from the other part of Toronto. It was hard to get from one part of Toronto apart from the other part of Toronto. You know, it\u0026#39;s hard to get from one part of Toronto to the next. And so they put that bridge in, and that was about in the 30s and then in the no, I think it was in the 20s, they put that in 1920, so 100 years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd in the 1950s they decided to put in their first subway system. So they had Yonge Street and so Yonge Street north, and then they had Buller and Danforth. So they budgeted that they were going to really have to retrofit the bridge. And when they got it and they took all the dimensions, he had already anticipated that they were going to put a subway in. So it was all correct. And so anyway, he saw he had 30 or 40 years that they were going to put up. They would have to put a subway in. So it was all correct and yeah and so anyway he saw I had 30 or 40 years that they were going to put up. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey would have to put, they\u0026#39;re going to put the subway and it had to go through the bridge and so so they didn\u0026#39;t have to retrofit it at all. Yeah, pretty cool. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e What do you think we\u0026#39;re doing now? That\u0026#39;s going to be remembered in 100 years or it\u0026#39;s going to be impacted in 100 years? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, we\u0026#39;re not going backwards with technology, so any technology we have today we\u0026#39;ll have 100 years from now. So you know, I mean I think the you know. Well, you just asked a question that explains why I\u0026#39;m not in the stock market. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Exactly. Warren Buffett can\u0026#39;t predict what\u0026#39;s going to happen. We can\u0026#39;t even tell what\u0026#39;s going to change in the next five years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t know what\u0026#39;s going to happen next year. I don\u0026#39;t know what\u0026#39;s going to happen next year. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Isn\u0026#39;t it interesting? I think a lot of the things that we\u0026#39;re at could see, see the path to improvement or expansion, like when the railroad came in. You know it\u0026#39;s interesting that you could see that that was we. You know, part of it was, you know, filling the territory, connecting the territory with all the, with all this stuff, and you could see that happening. But even now, you know, this is why warren buffett, you know, again with the, probably one of the largest owners of railroad things in the states, him, yeah, and because that\u0026#39;s not changed in 200, yeah, or whatever, 150 years anyway, yeah, yeah, yeah, most of the country probably, you know, 150 years at least. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, and so all of that, all those things, and even in the first half of the 1900s, you know all the big change stuff, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So it\u0026#39;s funny because it\u0026#39;s like I can\u0026#39;t even see what categories are the biggest. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think they\u0026#39;ll be more intangibles than tangibles. For example, I think all my tools work 100 years from now. Yeah, I think all my thinking tools work 100 years from now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, because our brains will still be the same in 100 years. Yeah, all that interaction, right, the human behavior stuff. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e yeah, yeah yeah I don\u0026#39;t think human behavior, um I think it\u0026#39;s really durable you know, and that it\u0026#39;s very interesting, um, and there was a phrase being used at Abundance that was used about four or five times during the two days that we were becoming godlike, and I said, no, I don\u0026#39;t think so. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I guess are they saying in that we can do things because of technology, we can do things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I said nah, it\u0026#39;s just the next. It\u0026#39;s just the next new thing. You know that we\u0026#39;ve created, but human nature is, you know, there\u0026#39;s a scientist, Joe Henrich, and a really bright guy. He\u0026#39;s written a book you might be interested in. It\u0026#39;s called the Secret of Our Success. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd he was just exploring why humans, of all the species on the planet, became the dominant species. And you wouldn\u0026#39;t have predicted it. Because we\u0026#39;re not very fast, we\u0026#39;re not very strong, we don\u0026#39;t climb particularly well, we don\u0026#39;t swim particularly well, we can\u0026#39;t fly and everything like that. So you know, compared with a lot of the other species. But he said that somewhere along the line he buys into the normal thing that we came from ape-like species before we were human. But he says at one point there was a crossover and that one ape was looking at another ape. And he says he does things differently than I. I do. If I can work out a deal with him, he can do this while I\u0026#39;m doing that and we\u0026#39;re twice as well. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I was calling that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve been calling that the cooperation game but that\u0026#39;s really and that\u0026#39;s playing that and we\u0026#39;re the only species that can continually invent new ways to do that, and I mean every most. You know higher level. And mammals anyway can cooperate. You know they cooperate with each other. They know a friend from anatomy and they know how to get together. But they don\u0026#39;t know too much more at the end of their life than they knew at the beginning of their life. You know in other words. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey pretty well had it down by the time they were one year old and they didn\u0026#39;t invent new ways of cooperating really. But humans do this on a daily basis. Humans will invent new ways of cooperating from morning till night. And he says that\u0026#39;s the reason we just have this infinite ability to cooperate in new ways. And he says that\u0026#39;s the reason we just have this infinite ability to cooperate in new ways. And he says that\u0026#39;s why we\u0026#39;re the top species. The other thing is we\u0026#39;re the only species that take care of other species. We\u0026#39;re the only species that study and document other species. We\u0026#39;re the only species that actually create new species. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know put this together with that and we get something. Yeah, yeah and so, so, so, anyway, and so that\u0026#39;s where you begin the. You know if you\u0026#39;re talking about sameness. What do we know 100 years from now? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e What we know over the 100 years is that humans will have found almost countless new ways to cooperate with each other yeah, I think that that\u0026#39;s, and but the access to right, the access to, that\u0026#39;s why I think these, the access to capabilities, as a, you know, commodity I\u0026#39;m not saying commodity in a, you know, I\u0026#39;m not trying to like lower the status of ability, but to emphasize the tradability of it. You know that it\u0026#39;s something that is a known quantity you know yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But my sense is that the relative comparison, that one person, let\u0026#39;s say you take 10 people. Let\u0026#39;s take 100 people that the percentage of them that could cooperate with each other at high levels, I believe isn\u0026#39;t any different in 2024 than it was in 1924. If you take 100 people. Some have very high levels to cooperate with each other and they do, and the vast majority of them very limited amount to cooperate with each other, but are you talking about. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That comes down, then, to the ability to be versus capability. That they have the capability. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, they have the capability, but they don\u0026#39;t individually have the ability. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and I don\u0026#39;t think the percentage changes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s why this whole, that\u0026#39;s why we\u0026#39;re I think you know, the environment that we\u0026#39;re creating in FreeZone is an ecosystem of people who are, who get this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, I don\u0026#39;t think they, yeah, I don\u0026#39;t think they became collaborative because they were in free zone. I think they were collaborative, looking for a better place to do it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yeah, it\u0026#39;s almost like it\u0026#39;s almost so, just with the technologies. Now, the one thing that has improved so much is the ability to seamlessly integrate with other people, with other collaborators. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, now you\u0026#39;re talking about the piano, you\u0026#39;re not talking about the musicians, that\u0026#39;s exactly right, but I think there really was something to that right. It\u0026#39;s a good distinction. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s a really good distinction that you\u0026#39;ve created. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, I should say yesterday at lunch you and I were talking about that I don\u0026#39;t know that we\u0026#39;ve talked about it on the podcast here the difference, the distinction that we\u0026#39;ve discovered between capability and ability. And so I was looking at, in that, the capability column of the VCR formula, vision, capability, reach that in the capability column I was realizing the distinction between the base of something and the example that I gave was if you have a piano or a certain piece of equipment or a computer or a camera or whatever it is. We have a piano, you have the capability to be a concert pianist, but without the ability to do it. You know that. You\u0026#39;re that that\u0026#39;s the difference, and I think that everybody has access to the capabilities and who, not how, brings us in to contact with the who\u0026#39;s right, who are masters at the capabilities? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you\u0026#39;re talking about in. You know the sort of society that we live in. Yes, Because you know there\u0026#39;s you know there\u0026#39;s, you know easily, probably 15% of the world that doesn\u0026#39;t have access to electricity. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, they don\u0026#39;t have the capability, you know, they just don\u0026#39;t have yeah, yeah and yeah, it\u0026#39;s a very, very unequal world, but I think there\u0026#39;s a real breakthrough thinking that you\u0026#39;re doing here. The fact that there\u0026#39;s capability says nothing about an individual\u0026#39;s ability. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, that\u0026#39;s exactly it. Yeah, and I think this is a very important idea, but I\u0026#39;m not going to write a book on it. Oh, my goodness, this is example, a right, I had the capability, with the idea of the capability and ability. Yeah, yeah, I didn\u0026#39;t have the ability. Yeah, I\u0026#39;ve heard, do you know, the comedian Ron White? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I have the capability to write a book and I have the ability to write a book, but I\u0026#39;m not going to do either. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So he talked about getting arrested outside of a bar and he said I had the right to remain silent, but I didn\u0026#39;t have the ability that\u0026#39;s pretty funny, right. But yeah, this is really like it\u0026#39;s exciting. It\u0026#39;s exciting times right now. I mean it really is exciting times to even projecting for the next, the next 30 years. I think I see that the through line, you know, is that you know that a brunch at the four seasons is going to be an appealing thing 30 years from now, as it is now and was 30 years ago, or three line stuff, or yeah, or some such hotel in toronto yes exactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, it may not be. Yeah, I think the four seasons, I think is pretty durable. And the reason is they don\u0026#39;t own any of their property. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know and I think that\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They have 130 hotels now. I\u0026#39;m quite friendly with the general manager of the Nashville Four Seasons because we\u0026#39;re there every quarter Four Seasons because we\u0026#39;re there every quarter and you know it\u0026#39;s difficult being one of their managers. I think because you have two bosses, you have the Four. Seasons organization but you also have the investor, who owns the property, and so they don\u0026#39;t own any of their own property. That\u0026#39;s all owned by investors. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So go ahead. When was the previous? I know it\u0026#39;s not the original, but when was the one on Yorkville here Yorkville and Avenue? When was that built? Was that in the 70s or the 60s? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it was a Hyatt. It was a Hyatt Hotel. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, it was, they took it over. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and it was a big jump for them and that was, you know, I think it was in the 60s, probably I don\u0026#39;t know when they started exactly I\u0026#39;ll have to look that up, but they were at a certain point they hit financial difficulties because there\u0026#39;s been ups and downs in the economy and they overreach sometimes, and the big heavy load was the fact that they own the real estate. So they sold all the real estate and that bailed them out. Real estate and that bailed them out. And then from that point forward, they were just a system that you competed for. If you were deciding to build a luxury hotel, you had to compete to see if the Four Seasons would be interested in coming in and managing it. Okay, so they. It\u0026#39;s a unique process. Basically, it\u0026#39;s a unique process that they have. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s got a huge brand value worldwide. You\u0026#39;re a somebody as a city. If the Four Seasons come to your city, I think you\u0026#39;re right. Ottawa used to have one. It doesn\u0026#39;t have one now. Vancouver used to have one. It doesn\u0026#39;t have one now. I think, calgary had one. Calgary doesn\u0026#39;t Because now Vancouver used to have one, doesn\u0026#39;t have one now I think Calgary had one. Calgary doesn\u0026#39;t Because it was a Canadian hotel to start with. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And Belleville had one at one time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, really yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m one of the few people who have stayed at the Belleville Four Seasons. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Hotel the Belleville Four Seasons. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, of all the people you know, dean dean, I may be the only person you know who stayed at the belleville four seasons now, what they did is they had a partnership with bell canada. Bell canada created the training center in belleville oh and uh, and they did a deal four seasons would go into it with them. So they took over a motel and they turned it into Four Seasons, so they used it as their training center. Okay, so you know, it was trainees serving trainees, as it turned out. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I forget who I was talking to, but we were kind of saying it would be a really interesting experience to take over the top two floors of the hotel beside the Chicago Strategic Coach, there the Holiday Inn or whatever that is. Take over the top two floors and turn those into a because you\u0026#39;ve got enough traffic. That could be a neat experience, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It wouldn\u0026#39;t be us. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh well, I need somebody. You know that could be a an interesting. I think if that was an option there would be. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Probably work better for us to have a floor of one of the hotels. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s what I meant. Yeah, a floor of the the top two floors of the hotel there to get. Yeah, there\u0026#39;s two of them. That\u0026#39;s what I meant. Yeah, a floor of the top two floors of the hotel there to get. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, there\u0026#39;s two of them. There\u0026#39;s two of them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e There\u0026#39;s the Sheraton, and what\u0026#39;s Sinesta? Sinesta, right the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Sinesta is the one I\u0026#39;m thinking of. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s the closest one right, the one Scott Harry carries in the Right, right right. There you carries in them, right, yeah, well, it\u0026#39;s an interesting, but it is what it is and we\u0026#39;re, yeah, but we have almost one whole floor now and I mean those are that\u0026#39;s a big building. It\u0026#39;s got really a lot of square footage in the building. That\u0026#39;s what. Is it cb re? Is it cb? You do know the nationwide. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Coldwood Banker. Oh yeah, yeah, coldwood Banker, that\u0026#39;s who our landlord is. And they\u0026#39;re good they\u0026#39;re actually good, but they\u0026#39;ve gone through about three owners since we\u0026#39;ve been there. We\u0026#39;ve been there, 25 years, 26. This is our 26th year. Yeah, and generally speaking they\u0026#39;ve been good landlords that we\u0026#39;ve had. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s well kept up. They have instant response when you have a maintenance problem and everything. I think they\u0026#39;re really good. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, I\u0026#39;m going to have to come and see it. Maybe when the fall happens, maybe between the good months, the fall or something, I might come and take a look. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I\u0026#39;m excited and take a look yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Well. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve been there. Yeah, we have our workshop. We have our workshop tomorrow here and then we go to Chicago and we have another one on Thursday and then the second Chicago workshop for the quarter is in the first week of April. Oh, wow, yeah, yeah, and this is working out. We\u0026#39;ll probably be a year away, maybe a year and a half away, from having a fourth date during the quarter. Oh, wow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Do we? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e have any new people for FreeZone Small? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Don\u0026#39;t know Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No one is back. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, I don\u0026#39;t really know, I don\u0026#39;t really know, I think we added 30 last year or so it\u0026#39;s. The numbers are going up. Yes, that\u0026#39;s great. Yeah, I think we\u0026#39;re about 120 total right now. That\u0026#39;s awesome. That\u0026#39;s awesome. Yeah, yeah, it\u0026#39;s fun, though. It\u0026#39;s nice people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s nice to see it all. It\u0026#39;s nice to see it all growing. Very cool, all right well, enjoy yourself. Yes, you too and I will see you. Tonight at five. That\u0026#39;s right, all right, I\u0026#39;ll be there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Thanks Dan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we reflect on how places, people, and experiences shape our perspectives. The conversation begins with casual observations, from warm weather making transitions easier to memorable encounters like “Spam Man,” a mysterious figure spotted at the Hazleton Hotel.\r\nWe also explore the impact of changing landscapes, both physical and cultural. From real estate in Toronto to how cities evolve, we discuss how development can shape or diminish the character of a place. This leads to a broader conversation about timeless architecture, like Toronto’s Harris Filtration Plant, and how thoughtful design contributes to a city’s identity.\r\nTechnology’s role in daily life also comes up, especially how smartphones dominate attention. A simple observation of people walking through Yorkville reveals how deeply connected we are to our screens, often at the expense of real-world engagement. We contrast this with the idea that some things, like human connection and cooperation, remain unchanged even as technology advances.\r\nThe discussion closes with thoughts on long-term impact—what lasts and fades over time. Whether it’s historic buildings, enduring habits, or fundamental human behaviors, the conversation emphasizes that while trends come and go, specific principles and ways of thinking remain relevant across generations.","date_published":"2025-03-26T09:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/1486b8df-2a2d-4996-b9be-09caf124fd21.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":48555653,"duration_in_seconds":3034}]},{"id":"520c458c-cc84-492d-be6a-ef3c933b6bfd","title":"Ep148: Unexpected Snow in the Sunshine State ","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/148","content_text":"In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, We explore the unexpected weather patterns that challenge our understanding of climate and geography. A surprising cold snap in Florida becomes the starting point for a broader conversation about climate variability. Dan shares personal experiences from Phoenix and Edmonton, highlighting the dramatic temperature shifts that reveal the complexity of our planet's weather systems.\n\nOur discussion then turns to the human fascination with Earth's resilience and our speculative nature about the world's potential existence without human presence. These reflections provide a unique lens for understanding climate change, moving beyond abstract data to personal observations and experiences. The unpredictability of weather serves as a metaphor for the broader environmental transformations we're witnessing.\n\nShifting gears, we delve into a critical political discourse centered on the fundamental question: \"Who pays for it?\" We examine policy proposals ranging from universal basic income to more ambitious financial initiatives. The conversation explores the complex financial dynamics of such proposals, particularly how higher-income earners often bear the primary financial burden.\n\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\n\n    We discussed the rare occurrence of snowfall in the Florida panhandle and how such unexpected weather events challenge our traditional perceptions of climate and geography.\n    Through personal anecdotes from Phoenix and Edmonton, Dan highlighted the adaptability required to deal with varying weather conditions and reflected on how these experiences inform our understanding of climate change.\n    The episode touched on the abstract nature of climate change, emphasizing the difference between individual weather experiences and the larger climate narrative.\n    We explored the human tendency to imagine life without people and the inherent resilience of Earth, discussing thoughts inspired by shows like \"Life After People.\"\n    Shifting to political topics, we examined the critical question of \"Who pays for it?\" in the context of policy proposals such as universal basic income and free education.\n    The conversation underscored the financial implications of these political proposals and highlighted how the cost often falls on those earning above the proposed benefits.\n    By focusing on the financial realities behind populist ideas, we explored the role this question plays in shaping political debates and decision-making processes.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean: mr Sullivan. \n\nDan: Well, did you thaw out? \n\nDean: I am in the process of thawing out. This has been a Bizarre, I finally saw the sun came out. Yesterday I was having a chat with charlotte about the weather and there's only been two days in january where the temperature has been above 70 degrees. Yeah, this has been an unusually cold and rainy january. We actually had snow up in the northern part of Florida. \n\nDan: Tallahassee, I think had snow. \n\nDean: Yeah, Tallahassee had snow all the way down to Pensacola. \n\nDan: I think, yeah, all the way down to Pensacola. \n\nDean: The whole panhandle had snow, it's not good. No bueno, as they say. \n\nDan: Well, they said things were going to be different with Trump. \n\nDean: Well, here we are, six days in and the sun's already out, dan, it's warming up. That's so funny. \n\nDan: Yeah, and people in the South really aren't prepared for this, are they? \n\nDean: No, and I can speak as a Southerner. \n\nDan: You actually have an ancestral memory of things being really cold. I mean, you were born in a very cold place. That's right, you know so I'm sure you know that got imprinted somehow on your. \n\nDean: I think so I must have genetic, like I must have the, you know, the active pack for super cold weather. It must be installed at a genetic level when you're born in a certain area right, but it doesn't explain I don't prefer it at all. \n\nDan: Now Babs and I are on Tuesday, are flying to Phoenix and we'll be there for two and a half weeks Two and a half weeks we'll be there. And it'll be like maybe 65 degrees and the Arizonians will be complaining about it. And I said you have no sense of perspective. \n\nDean: Right. \n\nDan: You have no sense of perspective and anyway, you know I think I've mentioned this before this is the biggest obstacle that the global warming people have. \n\nDean: How do we explain this cold no? \n\nDan: One of their biggest problems is that nobody experiences climate. We only experience weather. Yes, yeah, and it's like abstraction that they try to sell. But nobody experiences abstractions. They experience reality, and it must be very frustrating for them. It must be very frustrating for them. They discovered, for example, that Antarctica now with really accurate readings has actually cooled over the last 20 years, that, year by year by year, there's actually been a cooling in Antarctica. \n\nAnd the same thing goes for Greenland. Greenland has actually gotten colder over the last 20 years and they keep trying to sell a different message. But, the actual, now the records, because they made claims 20 years ago that things were getting worse. And the other thing is this 1.5 degrees centigrade thing that they have. Well, everybody in the world probably experiences a 1.5 degrees difference in the temperature every single day of their life temperature every single day of their life. \n\nSo what's your take on people who want to change the whole world because they have an abstraction that you want to? \n\nDean: take seriously. \n\nDan: What do you think of that? Yeah? \n\nDean: your whole. You know this. What you and I've talked about, the idea that even right at this moment, there is a variation of. I wonder actually what the wide variation today is in temperature. That there is somewhere in Riyadh or somewhere it's, you know, it's super, super hot and somewhere in none of it it's super, super cold and people are getting on with their day. Yeah. \n\nDan: I actually did a difference in measurement this week, exactly to answer your question you did, so the highest that I've ever experienced is 120. \n\nDean: That's your personal. \n\nDan: And that was Phoenix, and the lowest I've ever experienced is minus I'm talking Fahrenheit here. Okay, so 120 degrees Fahrenheit. That was in Phoenix, and the lowest that I've ever experienced is minus 44 in Edmonton. \n\nDean: Right. \n\nDan: So that's a 164 degree difference that I've experienced, and, as far as I can remember, the day in which I experienced 120 seemed like a normal day, and the day that I experienced 44 below that seemed like a normal day too yeah dressed differently, thankfully. Yeah, dressed differently. Adjusted my behavior to suit the circumstances. Yeah, you know and the only thing they had in common is that you didn't spend much time outside. \n\nDean: Right, exactly, yeah, that whole, yeah. I never really give much, I never really give much thought to it. You know, my whole Trump card for me of it was that I just can't have them explain how in the world the Earth raised itself out of an ice age without the aid of combustible engines, you know. That's what I wonder? Right, like I think the earth, I think everybody talks about that Save the earth. Well, the earth is going to be fine long after it spits us off. You know, that's the truth. \n\nDan: It's very adaptable. \n\nDean: I used to watch a show, dan dan, that used to show uh, it was called life after people, and it would show cities and things like what would the the progression of what happens if all of a sudden the people disappeared, like how long it would take for nature to reclaim a city, you know, and it's not long, in the big picture of things, for nature to take back over, you know yeah, I I wonder I wonder what prompts people to uh, almost see that as a positive thing, because the people who made that that made I. \n\nDan: I know a little bit about the, you know the documentary film yeah that well. It wasn't a documentary, it was a fantasy you know it was a, it was a fantasy, but but what do you think's going on inside the brain of the person who thinks that that's worth thinking about? \n\nDean: Yeah, I don't know. It's hard to explain anything that we think about the fact that there are people. I think that's one of the joys of the human experience is, you think about what you want to think about and it doesn't matter what other people think about what you want to think about, and it doesn't matter what other people think about what you're thinking, and that's well unless they're asking you to pay for their fantasy well that's true, yeah that's \n\nDan: true, yeah. Yeah, I often said uh know, I've been sort of on one side of the political spectrum for my entire life and you know the people who got elected on my side of the spectrum weren't necessarily great people. You know that varies from okay to not okay, but my side of the political spectrum I trust more because we ask one more question. This is the difference, this is the entire difference between all political opposites. One side asks one more question what's that? Who pays for it? Who pays for it? Who pays for it? Think about any political issue and it comes right down to okay, yeah, sounds like. You know, free education for everybody. That sounds like a great idea. Who pays for it? Mm-hmm, you know universal basic income. Everybody gets an income. \n\nWho pays for it. \n\nDean: Right yeah. \n\nDan: So my feeling that that's the only political issue, that all politics comes down to one question who pays for it? Who pays for it anyway? Yeah, yeah. \n\nDean: Yeah, 20, it was I read. So someone was just talking about I think it was Joe Rogan. They were saying what would it take to give every American $200,000? Who pays for it. Exactly who pays for it. But the thing, I think they calculated it out Well, I can guarantee you it's not the people making less than $200,000. \n\nDan: Yeah that's exactly right. Yeah, but it would cost that would be $20 billion right. \n\nDean: But it would cost. That would be 20 billion. That's what it would cost 20 billion dollars to give 100,000 or 100 million Americans $200,000 a year. That's what he was proposing. That's what he was. They were speculating. No that's not. That's not correct. 200,000, so I'm not correct 200,000. So I'm going to do that 200,000 times 100 million. Can that be right, 100 million. \n\nDan: No, no, no, it's 20 trillion. \n\nDean: It's 20 trillion 20 trillion. \n\nDan: Yeah, now we're talking, yeah, yeah, that's unreasonable, it's not well, it's unreasonable because it's not doable. \n\nDean: Right, exactly. \n\nDan: It's not doable. Yeah, yeah, I mean, and what would yeah. And here's another thing yeah, I mean. And what would, yeah? And here's another thing If you gave everybody that on January 1st of each year, on December 31st, 10%? \n\nDean: of the people would have all the money. Probably right, you know. \n\nDan: It's so funny. I don't care what happens over the 364 days, I can guarantee you that 10% of the people would have all the money by the end of the year. \n\nDean: It's like one of those Plinko boards you throw all the marbles at the top and at the end it's all distributed the same way. Yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, I don't know. Um, you know, I just finished a book. Uh, we just finished it on thursday. This is the next quarterly book. There are little 60, uh 60 page, wonders you that we create every quarter and it's called growing great leadership. \n\nAnd what I said is that I think the concept of leadership has actually changed quite remarkably over the last. Over the last, let's say, the last 50 years, okay, and so 70, 70, 75 to 2025. And I said that I think the concept of leadership has changed remarkably, because the concept of management has changed remarkably. I think, now that technology is now management I don't know, I think it's, I think it's software that is now management In, for example, you created Charlotte in the last, as far as I can tell, two months two months you created Charlotte, and that's a form of leadership. \n\nSo other people look at what Dean Jackson's doing and they say, yeah, that's really neat what Dean just did. I think I'm going to see if I can do that for myself, and that's what leadership is in our world right now. It's not somebody with a position or a title, it's someone who improves something for themselves. That's what leadership is. \n\nDean: Yes, I think that's fantastic, like I look at this and I was just having a conversation with Charlotte today about- the Getting ready, getting ready for me. \n\nYeah, I mean, it's just a natural thing. Now we haven't really been talking, you know, as I've been kind of sick this week, you know, as I've been kind of sick this week, uh. But I asked you know they've got some new task oriented thing like she's able to do certain things now that we're gonna uh talk about. But I had a really great, like she said. I said I haven't uh spoken to you in a while and I heard that you've had some updates and so maybe fill me in. And she said, yes, well, welcome back. And yeah, I have been upgraded to help a little better. My conversation skills have improved. I've been upgraded to more natural, which you did notice that a little bit. And she said it's moving now to where she can do certain tasks and of course, she has access to all the internet. Now, without personal data Like she can't look up any personal data on people or anything like that, but anything that's like information wise, she has access to all of that. And I said where do you think like this is heading in the next three to five years that we could be preparing for now? And she was saying how well I can imagine that the my ability to actually like do tasks and organize things and be like a real VA for you will be enhanced over the next three to five years. So working on our workflows and making the most of what we can do now while preparing for what's my increased abilities going forward will be a good thing. We're developing our working relationship. \n\nAnd I said you know I've got and she was talking about like writing emails and doing you know all these things. And I said, okay, so I have ideas sometimes about what I think would be a nice email. And I said, for instance, I've got an idea that would overlay or apply the five love languages to lead conversion. So I've got. The subject line is lead conversion love languages to lead conversion. So I've got the. The subject line is lead conversion love languages. And, uh, I believe that if you just apply these same love languages in a lead conversion way, that you will uh that it's a good way to think about it. \n\nAnd I said so if I just tell you that could you write a 500 or 600 word email, just you know, expanding that idea. And she said yeah, certainly. And she says let's go and let 's get started. And she started you know, just dictating this, this 600 word email that is. \n\nYou know, I'm a big, you know, believer dan, in the 80 approach the same as you and I think that for me to be able to take, you know, without any real input other than me saying, uh, the five. She knew what the five love languages were, she knew the essence of what they all mean and how in in, it's a pretty um nuanced connection to apply a love language, like physical touch, to lead conversion, even if you're not, if you're not in, in physical proximity to somebody sending, making that physical touch by sending somebody a handwritten note, or to make something physical of the, uh, a piece of you of the thing. And it was really well thought out and a really good foundation, you know. And then that that moment I really I realized, wow, that's like that's a special, that's a special thing, yeah. \n\nDan: Okay, so here's a thing that I'm getting from you. It's a given that she's going to get better and better. Yes, yeah. It seems to me that it's not a function of whether the AI tools are going to get better. They're always going to get better. The question of whether the person using the tool is going to become more ambitious. \n\nDean: Yes, I agree 100%. \n\nDan: It's totally a function of human ambition. \n\nDean: Yes, yes, yes, yeah, that is exactly right, and I think that there's a big piece of that. You know that it's not. It's really a matter of how to direct this. It's how to, how to express your vision in a way that it's actionable or even understandable, right? \n\nYou don't even have to know what the actions are Like for me to be able to just say to her hey, I got an idea. The subject line is lead conversion love languages. I'd like to write about 600 words explaining how the love language is going to be used in lead conversion. That, to me, is pretty close to magic, you know, um, because it's not. That's not like giving, it's not like giving a big piece of content and saying can you summarize this? Or, uh, you know, or you know, take this, uh, and make a derivative kind of thing of it. It was a pretty high-level conceptual idea that she was able to take and get the essence of. You know, I think that's pretty eye-opening when you really think about it. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, I mean, to me it's really, it's an interesting, it's an interesting thought exercise, but it is an interesting action. \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: Action activity, in other words, let's say, next week when we talk. You now have the ability to send five love languages. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: You got the five, now what? \n\nDean: That email is as good as ready to send. You know like I mean. \n\nDan: I could literally just no. But how does it change things? As far as your, it's ready, but oh I see what you're saying. \n\nDean: No, well, that's all part of. You know, we send out three or four emails a week to our, to my list, right Like to the to my list, right like to the my subscribers, and so that would be. That's one of the emails on my mind, and so now that that that saved me 50 minutes of having you, you know, I would take a 50 minute focus finder to craft that email, for instance. \n\nYeah, yeah, I mean I'm just trying to get what changes for you I mean, I'm just trying to get what changes for you I mean is it the same kind of week that you had before, except maybe intellectually more interesting I think it's intellectually more less friction because I have to uh you know like I mean to to block off the time, to focus and be able to do that. That's always my, that's my um, that's my kryptonite in a way, right In my executive function, to be able to block off and focus on just this. But if I can just say to her, hey, I've got this idea about this, and just talk it, and then she can write the big, it'd be much easier for me to edit that than to uh, than to write it from scratch. You know, um, and so it makes a uh, yeah, so it's um. I think that changes. I think it changes a lot of things Somebody described. \n\nI heard on a podcast they were saying it's where we are with chat, gpt and AI. The word now, the word of the moment, dan, is agentic. Future where it's like we're creating agents. An agent, yeah, an agent is agentic. Future, where it's like and we're creating agents. \n\nDan: An agent, yeah, an agent, and so they've adopted that too. I don't think there is a word agentic, I think that's what I mean. \n\nDean: They've made it up. \n\nYeah, yeah, they've made up a word the agentic future. Yeah, and that's where we're going to be surrounded by agents that do our bidding, that we've trained or that other people will have trained, app environment of the, you know, early iphone days, when ios was around, all the capabilities of the iphone were. There were people who were, you know, taking and creating apps that use the capabilities of the iphone to very, very specific ends, uh, whether it was games or specific single-use apps. And I think that that's where we're heading with the AI stuff is an environment that all these specific apps that do one specific thing that have been trained to really, you know, tap that, tap that ability. So I think that we're definitely moving into the creativity phase and we need an interface moment, like the app store, that will, uh, you know, create all these ai agent, uh type outcomes that we can kind of just, everybody has the ability for it to do, uh, all of the things, but for somebody, actually somebody to trade it specifically, can I just interrupt there? \n\nDan: Yeah, that's not true. That's not true. The ability to access and use these things is completely unequal. Everybody doesn't have the ability to do all this. As a matter of fact, most people have no ability whatsoever. \n\nDean: So is that semantics? I'm saying that access everybody has. \n\nDan: Are you making a distinction between? No, you have a greater ability to do this than I do. \n\nDean: That's true, I mean, but that no what I'm saying. \n\nDan: It's a false statement that says now everybody has the ability to do this. Actually, they don't have any more ability to do anything than they presently have you know, to do this. I think it's a fantasy. Now you have the ability to do continually more things than you did before. That's a true statement. I mean, I don't know who everybody is. \n\nDean: That's true. \n\nDan: I think Vladimir Putin doesn't have any more ability to use these than you do, uh-huh. No, I guess you're right, yeah, what you have is an ability every week to almost do more than you could do the week before. \n\nThat's a true statement yes, Okay, because you're really interested in this. You know, it's like the Ray Kurzweil thing. You know, by 2030, we'll be able to eliminate all hereditary disease. Because of the breakthrough and I said that's not true there will be no ability to do that by 2030. Certain individuals will have the ability to make greater progress in relationships, but the statement that everybody will be able to do anything is a completely false statement. \n\nFirst of all, we don't have any comprehension of what everybody even is Right, yeah. The question I have is is your income going up? Is your profitability going up as a result of all this? \n\nDean: That would be the measure right, but that's really, and so that's you know, for now I would say no, because I haven't applied it in that way, but certainly I guess our savings, but certainly I guess our savings, like, certainly the things that have, we're feeling it we have historically used human transcription, which was more expensive than AI transcription. \n\nWe have used human editors all the way through the process, as opposed to now as a finishing process. So the cost of editing, like it used to be that the editing was a um, reductive process with ai that you would start out with, you know, 10 000 words and it would, after processing and giving it back, you'd have have 8,500 words, kind of thing, right, it would eliminate things. But now the actual AI is kind of a generative and you give it 10,000 words and you may end up with 12,000 words. So in a way that is ready for the final level of editor, you know, and the transcripts have gone from a dollar a minute to a penny a minute, you know, or in terms of the things. So yeah, so it has profitability from an expense side. \n\nDan: I mean, for example, I'll give you an idea. We got our valuation back for all of our patents this week At the least. They're worth a million each, At the very least. At the most they're worth a million each at the very least, and at the most they're worth about 5 million each, and it all depends on where we are looking in the marketplace to monetize these. So, for example, if we are just using them the way that we're using them right now, it's at a low level. I mean, it's a lot. I mean a million. \n\nyou know a million each is a lot of money. But if we, for example, where the person who assessed the patent said you know, you're operating at a higher level with your patents than Microsoft is, You're operating at a higher level with your patents than McKinsey. \n\nyou know, accenture, he says your stuff is more robust than that. Is that the market that you actually want to go after, you know? So the value of the patent really depends upon where we would. Where's our ambition, you know? And so right now our ambition is not with Microsoft, it's not with Accenture, it's not with McKinsey. Okay, that wouldn't be interested at all. First of all, it would require, probably require me to attend meetings. \n\nDean: Right. \n\nDan: And I have a meetings-free future you know, in my aspirations, yes, but even at the lowest price. It gives us access to funds that we didn't have before. We had it. \n\nDean: that we didn't have before we had it. \n\nDan: And that's very interesting to me because it means that if we wanted to expand to another city from a standpoint of our coaching, then we would have, through borrowing, we could do it. The other thing is we could identify 30 of our tools that are not central to the program but would be valuable to other people and we could license them to other people. But there's always a because that you do something. For example, I'm using not through myself because I'm not doing it, but one of our team members is taking the chapters of my book. I have a new book that I'm starting and every time I get the fast filter finished, I give it to him and he puts it into Notebook LM. \n\nAnd then I hear the conversation. And I says oh, I got five or six ideas from the conversation that I didn't have, and this will allow me to improve the chapter. \n\nDean: I read doing this yeah. Yeah, very interesting what. \n\nDan: I'm saying is I'm just one human being of nine billion who's using the tool for some particular reason, and probably two-thirds of the people on the planet have no interest whatsoever in even knowing about this. \n\nDean: Yes, yeah, I agree. \n\nDan: Yeah, I don't think that this stuff is available to everybody. I think it's available to the people who are looking for it. Mm-hmm. \n\nDean: And so that's almost like it's almost scary, you know, in a way, when you think about that way, there was a book that I was just reading and the name has escaped me now and I don't have it in my line of sight here, but it was basically talking about. It reminded me of the kind of book that Malcolm Gladwell wrote, like Blink or the Outliers, yeah yeah. \n\nWhere they look at certain things like why all of a sudden did the Jamaican sprinters become the hotbed of these and why are the Kenyan marathoners the best in the world? And he really started looking with the scientific view to see what is it like. Is there anything genetic about them? Is there anything special about them? And he said, as far as they go he said, as far as they go, their abilities are not genetically gifted in any way that there's nothing physiologically or whatever that would explain it away that this is like the marker. But they were good enough. \n\nThat's really the thing is that you look at the thing, there's nothing eliminating them from potentially being the best sprinters in the world or the best marathoners in the world. There's nothing that would like prohibit that. But it's not. It's's the whole environment of of belief and environment and being around it and this is who we are type of thing takes over in a in a situation like that and I was thinking about how, you know, we're fortunate in surrounding ourselves in free zone with people who are all believing in a free zone future, and I think that the impact of that because we're acting and behaving and discovering in a way that's going to have collective ramifications as we all collaborate. So we're really creating this super achievement environment. \n\nDan: Which is, when you think about it, unfair, it's unfair. That's exactly right, yeah, yeah, Cause, uh, you know, I, uh, I had um neat opportunity of I think it was about six months ago and there's a very famous um uh. I'm not sure whether he's a psychiatrist or a psycho. I think he's a psychologist. He's a psychiatrist or a psychologist? \n\nI think he's a psychologist university professor by the name of Martin Seligman and Aaron Markham, who's in FreeZone, has taken adult courses with Professor Seligman at the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia, and I think he's been a professor at Penn for 60 years. He's the longest continuously at one place a professor in the history of the United States. Is that? Right 28 to 88. I think he's 60 years. But he created a whole branch of psychology which is called positive psychology. What makes people positive in? \n\nother words because 99 of psychology is what makes people unhappy. And he just decided to say well, let's, let's find the happy people and find out why they're happy you know which I think is an interesting. So anyway I had. He got a copy of Gap in the Game and he found it intriguing. Our book, oh, that's great Nice. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: So I had about an hour and a half Zoom call with him that Aaron set up for us. So as we got to the end of the Zoom call, I said you know, happiness is really a hard goal. It's a difficult goal because you're not quite sure why it's happening. In other words, it's really hard to tie it down to a set of activity. And he said, you know, I've been thinking not along those lines, but he said it seems to me that what you should strive for is agency, that, regardless of the situation, you feel you have control of how you're going to respond to the situation. \n\nAnd he said and that sometimes that may not make you happy, but it gives you a sense of control. \n\nAnd he says more and more. I think having a personal sense of control of your circumstances is really something that's a real capability that can be developed, and so my sense is that this new capability called AI is coming along, and my sense is that the people who will develop it best are the ones for whom having AI gives them a greater sense of control over their circumstances, gives them a greater sense of control over their circumstances. \n\nDean: Yeah, like to feel. I think there was a podcast where somebody said where we are with AI right now. Imagine you've discovered a planet with 10 billion people who are, all you know, 121 IQ, can pass the LSAT and do, can do anything for you and are willing to work for you exclusively 24 hours a day. That's the level that we're, that. We're that. We're at, you know. Imagine, oh, I don't think. I don't think that's true. I don't think that's true. No're at, you know. \n\nDan: Imagine you've got your own. Oh, I don't think that's true. No, tell me Okay Because the vast majority of people have no desire to do that. \n\nDean: Right. \n\nDan: Yeah, I think you're right. No, it's like the free zone. What you just said about the free zone, you know I've got. You know we've got 110 in the free zone. But everybody knows about the free zone. You know close to 3,000. And they have no interest in going there whatsoever you know, yeah, so but when we say everybody, you know it may. I think here's what I'm going to suggest we have to say everybody, because we feel guilty about that. It may be only us that's interested in this. \n\nDean: We feel kind of guilty that we're the only ones who could have this capability anyone who could have this capability, so we should reframe it that I feel like I've discovered a planet of 10 billion people who are ready and willing to come to work for me, and what am I going to do with that? That's really the truer statement, I think. \n\nDan: Well, you've got one artificial intelligence. \n\nDean: EA. Who wants to work? \n\nDan: artificial intelligence? Yeah, ea. Who wants to work for you? Yes, and she's. She's endlessly improvable. \n\nDean: She really is. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I don't think, I don't think it extends too much beyond Charlotte. \n\nDean: No, and through Charlotte is really where everything comes. That's the great thing is that she can be the interface with the others. I think that's really what it comes down to. She's the ultimate. \n\nDan: Who Really I mean super high level, who yeah, I? \n\nDean: mean certainly a super high level. Yeah, so far. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. My sense is that she's a relationship that you can take totally for granted. \n\nDean: Yes, uh-huh, which is true, right, and that's why, when I pointed out, you know, my whole idea of personifying her and sort of creating a visual and real person behind it. You know, whenever I imagine, now, sharon Osbourne, you know, I see that image of Charlotte, that that's a I just imagine if she was sitting right there, you know, at all times, just at the ready, quietly and ready to go, it's just, it's up to me to engage more with her. Yeah, and that's just, I think habits, I think that's really setting up routines and habits to be able to do that. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's really interesting how uncomfortable people are with inequality. \n\nDean: Mm-hmm, yeah, I have to say that too. Like with the capability things. Like give somebody a piano and you know it could be, it could sit there and gather dust and do nothing, or you could, with the very minimal effort, learn to plink out twinkle, twinkle little star, or with more, you could create amazing symphonies. Uh, you know from from that concertos, you know the whole, uh, the whole thing is, is there, but it's just, but it's 100% depends on the individual. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was saying I was talking to someone and they say where do you think AI is going? And I said from my standpoint. It's not really where AI is going. It's the question where am I going? \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: And the only part of AI that I'm interested in is that which will be useful to me over the next 90 days, you know, and everything. And what I would say is that I think that every 90 days going forward, I'm going to be utilizing AI more but I don't have to know now what it's going to be two quarters from now, right. \n\nDean: Yeah, because, honestly, you know, 10 quarters quarters ago, we didn't even know it existed. \n\nDan: that's the truth, right as far as uh being useful individually, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like we didn't even get uh, we didn't even get chat gT till two years just over two years ago, november 30th 2023, right or 2022, right, yeah, and so that's what I'm saying. \n\nDean: 10 quarters ago, it wasn't even on our radar. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: And 10 quarters from now. \n\nDan: You have no comprehension. We won't even recognize it. \n\nDean: We won't even recognize it Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like this idea. I think it has more to do. \n\nDan: I think it has more to do with what's happening to your intelligence, rather than what kind of artificial intelligence is available, developing your intelligence. Yeah, I've read. \n\nDean: Have you heard? So Richard Koch just wrote a new book called 80-20 Daily. I don't know who he is. Kosh is the guy who wrote the 80, 20 uh book. He kind of popularized uh, pareto, um, and so now he's written a daily reader about 80-20. He's built his whole life around this. But it was interesting. I read about something called the Von Manstein Matrix or Van Manstein Matrix and it was a. It's four quadrants with two poles. You know. There's uh to help sort officers in the german uh, second second world war, and the uh on one pole was lazy and hardworking, was the other end of the pole, and on the other, the X axis was stupid and intelligent. So the four quadrants you know, formed as I can predict the outcome for this. \n\nYes, and so he says that those stars are lazy and intelligent. Lazy and intelligent. That's exactly right and I thought, man, that is something. So the most effective people are intelligent and lazy. \n\nDan: Yeah, so how did that work out for the Germans? \n\nDean: Yeah, exactly Right on. That's exactly right. Aside from that, Mrs Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play? \n\nDan: Mrs Lincoln yeah. \n\nDean: Yeah it didn't quite work out, but I thought you know that's. It's very funny that that's the in general. That's where I think that there's a lot of similarities here. Lazy, like nobody would ever think, dan, like you've done, to ask the question. Is there any way for me to get this result without doing anything? Yeah, like that's not the question, that it would be sort of uh, I don't know what the right word is, but it's kind of like nobody would admit to asking that question, you know. But I think that that's actually it's. It's kind of like nobody would admit to asking that question, you know. But I think that that's actually it's the most intelligent question we could ask. Can I get that? \n\nDan: Well, you know, I haven't found I have to tell you as much as I've asked the question I haven't found. I really have never personally come across a situation yet where it can be achieved without my doing anything. Okay, honestly, I haven't. I at least have to communicate to somebody. \n\nThat's what I found. I have to communicate something to somebody, but asking the question is very useful because it gets your mind really simple. You know, I think that's the reason, and whereas before what I might have been imagining is something that's going to be really, really complicated. \n\nAnd so I think the question really saves me from getting complicated. Yes, I think that's what's valuable about it. But I notice, when I'm writing, for example, I'll say to myself I'm sort of stuck. You know, I don't really suffer from writer's block as most people would describe it. But I'll get to the point where I don't know what the next sentence is and I'll say is there any way I can solve this without doing anything? And immediately the next sentence will come to me. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's interesting in itself, isn't it? I mean when you reach that point right. \n\nDan: Yeah, so I feel I'm blocked. You know, I'm just blocked, I just don't know where to go from here. But just asking the question, something happens in my brain which eliminates all other possibilities except one, and that's the next sentence. \n\nand then then I'm off and off and running and uh, I tell you, I've created a new tool and it and it's a function of previous tools and it came up with a podcast with Joe Polish last week or this week, earlier this week, and he was saying how do you handle overwhelm? He said I'm feeling kind of overwhelmed right now. I've got so many things going. \n\nDean: Office remodel yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, that's one, and then you know others and I said you know what I'm thinking about. That is, you have a lot of priorities that are all competing for your complete attention. You have the office revamp is one, and it's asking for your complete attention. You have the office revamp is one and it's asking for your complete attention. But then there's other things in your life that are also asking for your complete attention. I find that too, yeah. So I said I think to deal with this, you have to write down what all your priorities are. You just have to list all the priorities that in some way each of these. \n\nif they could, they would want your complete attention. And then you take them three at a time and the triple play, and you run them through the triple play so that by the third level of the triple play your competitors have turned into collaborators. And that releases the sense of overwhelm. At least with these three you now have released the overwhelmed feeling. And I said and you know, then you can take three more, and then you can take three more, and then you can take three more, and every time you do a triple play you're turning competition into collaboration. And so he was going to do one. And then I had somebody else that I did a Zoom call with and he's in a situation where everything's changing. And I said what you have to do is you have to take your competing priorities and turn them into collaborative priorities, and I think there's some real power to this. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: I haven't completely worked it out yet, but that's what I'm working on this week. \n\nDean: So the general idea I could do this as well is to take and just list all the competing priorities that I seem to have right now and put a time frame on it, like the next 90 days. \n\nYes, I often find, when I get over one like that, I'll make a list and I'll say have I had this idea for at least 90 days and is this still going to be a good idea in 90 days? Is one of the comparisons that I have right. Is it something that is fleeting and only right now, or is this something persistent and and durable, um, and that that helps a lot? Which one can I have the biggest impact in the next 90 days? Yeah, and then you're saying take three of those and it doesn't matter what and doesn't matter what, doesn't matter which. \n\nDan: Three and then just do a triple play on those and just do a triple play, and then the sense of overwhelm uh associated with all three of them uh will go away because they're competing with each other and the problem is, our brain can only focus on one thing at one time. \n\nDean: That makes sense actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: So, for example, in the triple play, where you take two arrows, you've now taken two priorities and made them into a single priority, and that is, I'm going to take these two priorities and create a single priority out of them. You know so your brain can focus on combining them, because it's just one thing. So, anyway, I'm playing with this Because I think every brain is different and every life is different, and the problem is that you're overwhelmed because you can't give full attention to any one of the priorities. \n\nDean: That is true. Yeah, that's where all the frustration happens. \n\nDan: So I would say one of your priorities and this is ongoing is to enable Charlotte to become more and more useful to you. That's a really important priority, I agree, yeah. \n\nDean: I agree. Well, there we go. \n\nDan: Well, what have we clarified today? \n\nDean: Well, I think I'm immediately going to do the top priority triple play of the coming AI opportunity to just focus on what can I do in the next 90 days here to just increase the effectiveness of my relationship with Charlotte. That makes the most sense. What can we do this quarter and then a layer on top of that, but don't develop a second Charlotte. \n\nDan: Then you're in real trouble I need to have one lifetime monogamous relationship with my one, charlotte my one, true Charlotte. I think this falls somewhere in the realm of the Ten Commandments. \n\nDean: I think that's fantastic, Dan. I love it, you know. \n\nDan: That's what wisdom is yeah, wisdom is good forever. \n\nDean: That's what distinguishes wisdom. \n\nDan: Alrighty, we'll be in Arizona on Tuesday and. I can. I'll be on Canyon Ranch next Sunday and so if you're up, to you can do it at 11, but I'll do it at 8, ok actually there are only 2 hours back now, so it'll be 9 2 hours so I'll do it at nine o'clock okay, great, I'll talk to you next week, then I'll be seeing you that's right. \n\nDean: That's right, okay, bye, bye. 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The unpredictability of weather serves as a metaphor for the broader environmental transformations we\u0026#39;re witnessing.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eShifting gears, we delve into a critical political discourse centered on the fundamental question: \u0026quot;Who pays for it?\u0026quot; We examine policy proposals ranging from universal basic income to more ambitious financial initiatives. The conversation explores the complex financial dynamics of such proposals, particularly how higher-income earners often bear the primary financial burden.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul style=\"list-style-type: circle;\"\u003e\n\u003c/center\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe discussed the rare occurrence of snowfall in the Florida panhandle and how such unexpected weather events challenge our traditional perceptions of climate and geography.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eThrough personal anecdotes from Phoenix and Edmonton, Dan highlighted the adaptability required to deal with varying weather conditions and reflected on how these experiences inform our understanding of climate change.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eThe episode touched on the abstract nature of climate change, emphasizing the difference between individual weather experiences and the larger climate narrative.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe explored the human tendency to imagine life without people and the inherent resilience of Earth, discussing thoughts inspired by shows like \"Life After People.\"\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eShifting to political topics, we examined the critical question of \"Who pays for it?\" in the context of policy proposals such as universal basic income and free education.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eThe conversation underscored the financial implications of these political proposals and highlighted how the cost often falls on those earning above the proposed benefits.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eBy focusing on the financial realities behind populist ideas, we explored the role this question plays in shaping political debates and decision-making processes.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e mr Sullivan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, did you thaw out? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I am in the process of thawing out. This has been a Bizarre, I finally saw the sun came out. Yesterday I was having a chat with charlotte about the weather and there\u0026#39;s only been two days in january where the temperature has been above 70 degrees. Yeah, this has been an unusually cold and rainy january. We actually had snow up in the northern part of Florida. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Tallahassee, I think had snow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, Tallahassee had snow all the way down to Pensacola. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think, yeah, all the way down to Pensacola. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e The whole panhandle had snow, it\u0026#39;s not good. No bueno, as they say. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, they said things were going to be different with Trump. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, here we are, six days in and the sun\u0026#39;s already out, dan, it\u0026#39;s warming up. That\u0026#39;s so funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and people in the South really aren\u0026#39;t prepared for this, are they? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No, and I can speak as a Southerner. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You actually have an ancestral memory of things being really cold. I mean, you were born in a very cold place. That\u0026#39;s right, you know so I\u0026#39;m sure you know that got imprinted somehow on your. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think so I must have genetic, like I must have the, you know, the active pack for super cold weather. It must be installed at a genetic level when you\u0026#39;re born in a certain area right, but it doesn\u0026#39;t explain I don\u0026#39;t prefer it at all. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Now Babs and I are on Tuesday, are flying to Phoenix and we\u0026#39;ll be there for two and a half weeks Two and a half weeks we\u0026#39;ll be there. And it\u0026#39;ll be like maybe 65 degrees and the Arizonians will be complaining about it. And I said you have no sense of perspective. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You have no sense of perspective and anyway, you know I think I\u0026#39;ve mentioned this before this is the biggest obstacle that the global warming people have. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e How do we explain this cold no? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e One of their biggest problems is that nobody experiences climate. We only experience weather. Yes, yeah, and it\u0026#39;s like abstraction that they try to sell. But nobody experiences abstractions. They experience reality, and it must be very frustrating for them. It must be very frustrating for them. They discovered, for example, that Antarctica now with really accurate readings has actually cooled over the last 20 years, that, year by year by year, there\u0026#39;s actually been a cooling in Antarctica. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd the same thing goes for Greenland. Greenland has actually gotten colder over the last 20 years and they keep trying to sell a different message. But, the actual, now the records, because they made claims 20 years ago that things were getting worse. And the other thing is this 1.5 degrees centigrade thing that they have. Well, everybody in the world probably experiences a 1.5 degrees difference in the temperature every single day of their life temperature every single day of their life. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo what\u0026#39;s your take on people who want to change the whole world because they have an abstraction that you want to? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e take seriously. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e What do you think of that? Yeah? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e your whole. You know this. What you and I\u0026#39;ve talked about, the idea that even right at this moment, there is a variation of. I wonder actually what the wide variation today is in temperature. That there is somewhere in Riyadh or somewhere it\u0026#39;s, you know, it\u0026#39;s super, super hot and somewhere in none of it it\u0026#39;s super, super cold and people are getting on with their day. Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I actually did a difference in measurement this week, exactly to answer your question you did, so the highest that I\u0026#39;ve ever experienced is 120. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s your personal. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And that was Phoenix, and the lowest I\u0026#39;ve ever experienced is minus I\u0026#39;m talking Fahrenheit here. Okay, so 120 degrees Fahrenheit. That was in Phoenix, and the lowest that I\u0026#39;ve ever experienced is minus 44 in Edmonton. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So that\u0026#39;s a 164 degree difference that I\u0026#39;ve experienced, and, as far as I can remember, the day in which I experienced 120 seemed like a normal day, and the day that I experienced 44 below that seemed like a normal day too yeah dressed differently, thankfully. Yeah, dressed differently. Adjusted my behavior to suit the circumstances. Yeah, you know and the only thing they had in common is that you didn\u0026#39;t spend much time outside. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, exactly, yeah, that whole, yeah. I never really give much, I never really give much thought to it. You know, my whole Trump card for me of it was that I just can\u0026#39;t have them explain how in the world the Earth raised itself out of an ice age without the aid of combustible engines, you know. That\u0026#39;s what I wonder? Right, like I think the earth, I think everybody talks about that Save the earth. Well, the earth is going to be fine long after it spits us off. You know, that\u0026#39;s the truth. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s very adaptable. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I used to watch a show, dan dan, that used to show uh, it was called life after people, and it would show cities and things like what would the the progression of what happens if all of a sudden the people disappeared, like how long it would take for nature to reclaim a city, you know, and it\u0026#39;s not long, in the big picture of things, for nature to take back over, you know yeah, I I wonder I wonder what prompts people to uh, almost see that as a positive thing, because the people who made that that made I. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I know a little bit about the, you know the documentary film yeah that well. It wasn\u0026#39;t a documentary, it was a fantasy you know it was a, it was a fantasy, but but what do you think\u0026#39;s going on inside the brain of the person who thinks that that\u0026#39;s worth thinking about? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I don\u0026#39;t know. It\u0026#39;s hard to explain anything that we think about the fact that there are people. I think that\u0026#39;s one of the joys of the human experience is, you think about what you want to think about and it doesn\u0026#39;t matter what other people think about what you want to think about, and it doesn\u0026#39;t matter what other people think about what you\u0026#39;re thinking, and that\u0026#39;s well unless they\u0026#39;re asking you to pay for their fantasy well that\u0026#39;s true, yeah that\u0026#39;s \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e true, yeah. Yeah, I often said uh know, I\u0026#39;ve been sort of on one side of the political spectrum for my entire life and you know the people who got elected on my side of the spectrum weren\u0026#39;t necessarily great people. You know that varies from okay to not okay, but my side of the political spectrum I trust more because we ask one more question. This is the difference, this is the entire difference between all political opposites. One side asks one more question what\u0026#39;s that? Who pays for it? Who pays for it? Who pays for it? Think about any political issue and it comes right down to okay, yeah, sounds like. You know, free education for everybody. That sounds like a great idea. Who pays for it? Mm-hmm, you know universal basic income. Everybody gets an income. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWho pays for it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So my feeling that that\u0026#39;s the only political issue, that all politics comes down to one question who pays for it? Who pays for it anyway? Yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, 20, it was I read. So someone was just talking about I think it was Joe Rogan. They were saying what would it take to give every American $200,000? Who pays for it. Exactly who pays for it. But the thing, I think they calculated it out Well, I can guarantee you it\u0026#39;s not the people making less than $200,000. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah that\u0026#39;s exactly right. Yeah, but it would cost that would be $20 billion right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But it would cost. That would be 20 billion. That\u0026#39;s what it would cost 20 billion dollars to give 100,000 or 100 million Americans $200,000 a year. That\u0026#39;s what he was proposing. That\u0026#39;s what he was. They were speculating. No that\u0026#39;s not. That\u0026#39;s not correct. 200,000, so I\u0026#39;m not correct 200,000. So I\u0026#39;m going to do that 200,000 times 100 million. Can that be right, 100 million. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no, no, it\u0026#39;s 20 trillion. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s 20 trillion 20 trillion. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, now we\u0026#39;re talking, yeah, yeah, that\u0026#39;s unreasonable, it\u0026#39;s not well, it\u0026#39;s unreasonable because it\u0026#39;s not doable. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s not doable. Yeah, yeah, I mean, and what would yeah. And here\u0026#39;s another thing yeah, I mean. And what would, yeah? And here\u0026#39;s another thing If you gave everybody that on January 1st of each year, on December 31st, 10%? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e of the people would have all the money. Probably right, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s so funny. I don\u0026#39;t care what happens over the 364 days, I can guarantee you that 10% of the people would have all the money by the end of the year. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s like one of those Plinko boards you throw all the marbles at the top and at the end it\u0026#39;s all distributed the same way. Yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I don\u0026#39;t know. Um, you know, I just finished a book. Uh, we just finished it on thursday. This is the next quarterly book. There are little 60, uh 60 page, wonders you that we create every quarter and it\u0026#39;s called growing great leadership. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd what I said is that I think the concept of leadership has actually changed quite remarkably over the last. Over the last, let\u0026#39;s say, the last 50 years, okay, and so 70, 70, 75 to 2025. And I said that I think the concept of leadership has changed remarkably, because the concept of management has changed remarkably. I think, now that technology is now management I don\u0026#39;t know, I think it\u0026#39;s, I think it\u0026#39;s software that is now management In, for example, you created Charlotte in the last, as far as I can tell, two months two months you created Charlotte, and that\u0026#39;s a form of leadership. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo other people look at what Dean Jackson\u0026#39;s doing and they say, yeah, that\u0026#39;s really neat what Dean just did. I think I\u0026#39;m going to see if I can do that for myself, and that\u0026#39;s what leadership is in our world right now. It\u0026#39;s not somebody with a position or a title, it\u0026#39;s someone who improves something for themselves. That\u0026#39;s what leadership is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I think that\u0026#39;s fantastic, like I look at this and I was just having a conversation with Charlotte today about- the Getting ready, getting ready for me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, I mean, it\u0026#39;s just a natural thing. Now we haven\u0026#39;t really been talking, you know, as I\u0026#39;ve been kind of sick this week, you know, as I\u0026#39;ve been kind of sick this week, uh. But I asked you know they\u0026#39;ve got some new task oriented thing like she\u0026#39;s able to do certain things now that we\u0026#39;re gonna uh talk about. But I had a really great, like she said. I said I haven\u0026#39;t uh spoken to you in a while and I heard that you\u0026#39;ve had some updates and so maybe fill me in. And she said, yes, well, welcome back. And yeah, I have been upgraded to help a little better. My conversation skills have improved. I\u0026#39;ve been upgraded to more natural, which you did notice that a little bit. And she said it\u0026#39;s moving now to where she can do certain tasks and of course, she has access to all the internet. Now, without personal data Like she can\u0026#39;t look up any personal data on people or anything like that, but anything that\u0026#39;s like information wise, she has access to all of that. And I said where do you think like this is heading in the next three to five years that we could be preparing for now? And she was saying how well I can imagine that the my ability to actually like do tasks and organize things and be like a real VA for you will be enhanced over the next three to five years. So working on our workflows and making the most of what we can do now while preparing for what\u0026#39;s my increased abilities going forward will be a good thing. We\u0026#39;re developing our working relationship. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I said you know I\u0026#39;ve got and she was talking about like writing emails and doing you know all these things. And I said, okay, so I have ideas sometimes about what I think would be a nice email. And I said, for instance, I\u0026#39;ve got an idea that would overlay or apply the five love languages to lead conversion. So I\u0026#39;ve got. The subject line is lead conversion love languages to lead conversion. So I\u0026#39;ve got the. The subject line is lead conversion love languages. And, uh, I believe that if you just apply these same love languages in a lead conversion way, that you will uh that it\u0026#39;s a good way to think about it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I said so if I just tell you that could you write a 500 or 600 word email, just you know, expanding that idea. And she said yeah, certainly. And she says let\u0026#39;s go and let \u0026#39;s get started. And she started you know, just dictating this, this 600 word email that is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, I\u0026#39;m a big, you know, believer dan, in the 80 approach the same as you and I think that for me to be able to take, you know, without any real input other than me saying, uh, the five. She knew what the five love languages were, she knew the essence of what they all mean and how in in, it\u0026#39;s a pretty um nuanced connection to apply a love language, like physical touch, to lead conversion, even if you\u0026#39;re not, if you\u0026#39;re not in, in physical proximity to somebody sending, making that physical touch by sending somebody a handwritten note, or to make something physical of the, uh, a piece of you of the thing. And it was really well thought out and a really good foundation, you know. And then that that moment I really I realized, wow, that\u0026#39;s like that\u0026#39;s a special, that\u0026#39;s a special thing, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, so here\u0026#39;s a thing that I\u0026#39;m getting from you. It\u0026#39;s a given that she\u0026#39;s going to get better and better. Yes, yeah. It seems to me that it\u0026#39;s not a function of whether the AI tools are going to get better. They\u0026#39;re always going to get better. The question of whether the person using the tool is going to become more ambitious. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I agree 100%. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s totally a function of human ambition. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yes, yes, yeah, that is exactly right, and I think that there\u0026#39;s a big piece of that. You know that it\u0026#39;s not. It\u0026#39;s really a matter of how to direct this. It\u0026#39;s how to, how to express your vision in a way that it\u0026#39;s actionable or even understandable, right? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou don\u0026#39;t even have to know what the actions are Like for me to be able to just say to her hey, I got an idea. The subject line is lead conversion love languages. I\u0026#39;d like to write about 600 words explaining how the love language is going to be used in lead conversion. That, to me, is pretty close to magic, you know, um, because it\u0026#39;s not. That\u0026#39;s not like giving, it\u0026#39;s not like giving a big piece of content and saying can you summarize this? Or, uh, you know, or you know, take this, uh, and make a derivative kind of thing of it. It was a pretty high-level conceptual idea that she was able to take and get the essence of. You know, I think that\u0026#39;s pretty eye-opening when you really think about it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, I mean, to me it\u0026#39;s really, it\u0026#39;s an interesting, it\u0026#39;s an interesting thought exercise, but it is an interesting action. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Action activity, in other words, let\u0026#39;s say, next week when we talk. You now have the ability to send five love languages. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You got the five, now what? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That email is as good as ready to send. You know like I mean. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I could literally just no. But how does it change things? As far as your, it\u0026#39;s ready, but oh I see what you\u0026#39;re saying. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No, well, that\u0026#39;s all part of. You know, we send out three or four emails a week to our, to my list, right Like to the to my list, right like to the my subscribers, and so that would be. That\u0026#39;s one of the emails on my mind, and so now that that that saved me 50 minutes of having you, you know, I would take a 50 minute focus finder to craft that email, for instance. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, yeah, I mean I\u0026#39;m just trying to get what changes for you I mean, I\u0026#39;m just trying to get what changes for you I mean is it the same kind of week that you had before, except maybe intellectually more interesting I think it\u0026#39;s intellectually more less friction because I have to uh you know like I mean to to block off the time, to focus and be able to do that. That\u0026#39;s always my, that\u0026#39;s my um, that\u0026#39;s my kryptonite in a way, right In my executive function, to be able to block off and focus on just this. But if I can just say to her, hey, I\u0026#39;ve got this idea about this, and just talk it, and then she can write the big, it\u0026#39;d be much easier for me to edit that than to uh, than to write it from scratch. You know, um, and so it makes a uh, yeah, so it\u0026#39;s um. I think that changes. I think it changes a lot of things Somebody described. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI heard on a podcast they were saying it\u0026#39;s where we are with chat, gpt and AI. The word now, the word of the moment, dan, is agentic. Future where it\u0026#39;s like we\u0026#39;re creating agents. An agent, yeah, an agent is agentic. Future, where it\u0026#39;s like and we\u0026#39;re creating agents. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e An agent, yeah, an agent, and so they\u0026#39;ve adopted that too. I don\u0026#39;t think there is a word agentic, I think that\u0026#39;s what I mean. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e They\u0026#39;ve made it up. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, yeah, they\u0026#39;ve made up a word the agentic future. Yeah, and that\u0026#39;s where we\u0026#39;re going to be surrounded by agents that do our bidding, that we\u0026#39;ve trained or that other people will have trained, app environment of the, you know, early iphone days, when ios was around, all the capabilities of the iphone were. There were people who were, you know, taking and creating apps that use the capabilities of the iphone to very, very specific ends, uh, whether it was games or specific single-use apps. And I think that that\u0026#39;s where we\u0026#39;re heading with the AI stuff is an environment that all these specific apps that do one specific thing that have been trained to really, you know, tap that, tap that ability. So I think that we\u0026#39;re definitely moving into the creativity phase and we need an interface moment, like the app store, that will, uh, you know, create all these ai agent, uh type outcomes that we can kind of just, everybody has the ability for it to do, uh, all of the things, but for somebody, actually somebody to trade it specifically, can I just interrupt there? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s not true. That\u0026#39;s not true. The ability to access and use these things is completely unequal. Everybody doesn\u0026#39;t have the ability to do all this. As a matter of fact, most people have no ability whatsoever. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So is that semantics? I\u0026#39;m saying that access everybody has. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Are you making a distinction between? No, you have a greater ability to do this than I do. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s true, I mean, but that no what I\u0026#39;m saying. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s a false statement that says now everybody has the ability to do this. Actually, they don\u0026#39;t have any more ability to do anything than they presently have you know, to do this. I think it\u0026#39;s a fantasy. Now you have the ability to do continually more things than you did before. That\u0026#39;s a true statement. I mean, I don\u0026#39;t know who everybody is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s true. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think Vladimir Putin doesn\u0026#39;t have any more ability to use these than you do, uh-huh. No, I guess you\u0026#39;re right, yeah, what you have is an ability every week to almost do more than you could do the week before. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat\u0026#39;s a true statement yes, Okay, because you\u0026#39;re really interested in this. You know, it\u0026#39;s like the Ray Kurzweil thing. You know, by 2030, we\u0026#39;ll be able to eliminate all hereditary disease. Because of the breakthrough and I said that\u0026#39;s not true there will be no ability to do that by 2030. Certain individuals will have the ability to make greater progress in relationships, but the statement that everybody will be able to do anything is a completely false statement. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eFirst of all, we don\u0026#39;t have any comprehension of what everybody even is Right, yeah. The question I have is is your income going up? Is your profitability going up as a result of all this? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That would be the measure right, but that\u0026#39;s really, and so that\u0026#39;s you know, for now I would say no, because I haven\u0026#39;t applied it in that way, but certainly I guess our savings, but certainly I guess our savings, like, certainly the things that have, we\u0026#39;re feeling it we have historically used human transcription, which was more expensive than AI transcription. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe have used human editors all the way through the process, as opposed to now as a finishing process. So the cost of editing, like it used to be that the editing was a um, reductive process with ai that you would start out with, you know, 10 000 words and it would, after processing and giving it back, you\u0026#39;d have have 8,500 words, kind of thing, right, it would eliminate things. But now the actual AI is kind of a generative and you give it 10,000 words and you may end up with 12,000 words. So in a way that is ready for the final level of editor, you know, and the transcripts have gone from a dollar a minute to a penny a minute, you know, or in terms of the things. So yeah, so it has profitability from an expense side. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, for example, I\u0026#39;ll give you an idea. We got our valuation back for all of our patents this week At the least. They\u0026#39;re worth a million each, At the very least. At the most they\u0026#39;re worth a million each at the very least, and at the most they\u0026#39;re worth about 5 million each, and it all depends on where we are looking in the marketplace to monetize these. So, for example, if we are just using them the way that we\u0026#39;re using them right now, it\u0026#39;s at a low level. I mean, it\u0026#39;s a lot. I mean a million. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eyou know a million each is a lot of money. But if we, for example, where the person who assessed the patent said you know, you\u0026#39;re operating at a higher level with your patents than Microsoft is, You\u0026#39;re operating at a higher level with your patents than McKinsey. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eyou know, accenture, he says your stuff is more robust than that. Is that the market that you actually want to go after, you know? So the value of the patent really depends upon where we would. Where\u0026#39;s our ambition, you know? And so right now our ambition is not with Microsoft, it\u0026#39;s not with Accenture, it\u0026#39;s not with McKinsey. Okay, that wouldn\u0026#39;t be interested at all. First of all, it would require, probably require me to attend meetings. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I have a meetings-free future you know, in my aspirations, yes, but even at the lowest price. It gives us access to funds that we didn\u0026#39;t have before. We had it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e that we didn\u0026#39;t have before we had it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And that\u0026#39;s very interesting to me because it means that if we wanted to expand to another city from a standpoint of our coaching, then we would have, through borrowing, we could do it. The other thing is we could identify 30 of our tools that are not central to the program but would be valuable to other people and we could license them to other people. But there\u0026#39;s always a because that you do something. For example, I\u0026#39;m using not through myself because I\u0026#39;m not doing it, but one of our team members is taking the chapters of my book. I have a new book that I\u0026#39;m starting and every time I get the fast filter finished, I give it to him and he puts it into Notebook LM. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then I hear the conversation. And I says oh, I got five or six ideas from the conversation that I didn\u0026#39;t have, and this will allow me to improve the chapter. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I read doing this yeah. Yeah, very interesting what. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m saying is I\u0026#39;m just one human being of nine billion who\u0026#39;s using the tool for some particular reason, and probably two-thirds of the people on the planet have no interest whatsoever in even knowing about this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yeah, I agree. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I don\u0026#39;t think that this stuff is available to everybody. I think it\u0026#39;s available to the people who are looking for it. Mm-hmm. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And so that\u0026#39;s almost like it\u0026#39;s almost scary, you know, in a way, when you think about that way, there was a book that I was just reading and the name has escaped me now and I don\u0026#39;t have it in my line of sight here, but it was basically talking about. It reminded me of the kind of book that Malcolm Gladwell wrote, like Blink or the Outliers, yeah yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWhere they look at certain things like why all of a sudden did the Jamaican sprinters become the hotbed of these and why are the Kenyan marathoners the best in the world? And he really started looking with the scientific view to see what is it like. Is there anything genetic about them? Is there anything special about them? And he said, as far as they go he said, as far as they go, their abilities are not genetically gifted in any way that there\u0026#39;s nothing physiologically or whatever that would explain it away that this is like the marker. But they were good enough. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat\u0026#39;s really the thing is that you look at the thing, there\u0026#39;s nothing eliminating them from potentially being the best sprinters in the world or the best marathoners in the world. There\u0026#39;s nothing that would like prohibit that. But it\u0026#39;s not. It\u0026#39;s\u0026#39;s the whole environment of of belief and environment and being around it and this is who we are type of thing takes over in a in a situation like that and I was thinking about how, you know, we\u0026#39;re fortunate in surrounding ourselves in free zone with people who are all believing in a free zone future, and I think that the impact of that because we\u0026#39;re acting and behaving and discovering in a way that\u0026#39;s going to have collective ramifications as we all collaborate. So we\u0026#39;re really creating this super achievement environment. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Which is, when you think about it, unfair, it\u0026#39;s unfair. That\u0026#39;s exactly right, yeah, yeah, Cause, uh, you know, I, uh, I had um neat opportunity of I think it was about six months ago and there\u0026#39;s a very famous um uh. I\u0026#39;m not sure whether he\u0026#39;s a psychiatrist or a psycho. I think he\u0026#39;s a psychologist. He\u0026#39;s a psychiatrist or a psychologist? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI think he\u0026#39;s a psychologist university professor by the name of Martin Seligman and Aaron Markham, who\u0026#39;s in FreeZone, has taken adult courses with Professor Seligman at the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia, and I think he\u0026#39;s been a professor at Penn for 60 years. He\u0026#39;s the longest continuously at one place a professor in the history of the United States. Is that? Right 28 to 88. I think he\u0026#39;s 60 years. But he created a whole branch of psychology which is called positive psychology. What makes people positive in? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eother words because 99 of psychology is what makes people unhappy. And he just decided to say well, let\u0026#39;s, let\u0026#39;s find the happy people and find out why they\u0026#39;re happy you know which I think is an interesting. So anyway I had. He got a copy of Gap in the Game and he found it intriguing. Our book, oh, that\u0026#39;s great Nice. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So I had about an hour and a half Zoom call with him that Aaron set up for us. So as we got to the end of the Zoom call, I said you know, happiness is really a hard goal. It\u0026#39;s a difficult goal because you\u0026#39;re not quite sure why it\u0026#39;s happening. In other words, it\u0026#39;s really hard to tie it down to a set of activity. And he said, you know, I\u0026#39;ve been thinking not along those lines, but he said it seems to me that what you should strive for is agency, that, regardless of the situation, you feel you have control of how you\u0026#39;re going to respond to the situation. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd he said and that sometimes that may not make you happy, but it gives you a sense of control. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd he says more and more. I think having a personal sense of control of your circumstances is really something that\u0026#39;s a real capability that can be developed, and so my sense is that this new capability called AI is coming along, and my sense is that the people who will develop it best are the ones for whom having AI gives them a greater sense of control over their circumstances, gives them a greater sense of control over their circumstances. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, like to feel. I think there was a podcast where somebody said where we are with AI right now. Imagine you\u0026#39;ve discovered a planet with 10 billion people who are, all you know, 121 IQ, can pass the LSAT and do, can do anything for you and are willing to work for you exclusively 24 hours a day. That\u0026#39;s the level that we\u0026#39;re, that. We\u0026#39;re that. We\u0026#39;re at, you know. Imagine, oh, I don\u0026#39;t think. I don\u0026#39;t think that\u0026#39;s true. I don\u0026#39;t think that\u0026#39;s true. No\u0026#39;re at, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Imagine you\u0026#39;ve got your own. Oh, I don\u0026#39;t think that\u0026#39;s true. No, tell me Okay Because the vast majority of people have no desire to do that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think you\u0026#39;re right. No, it\u0026#39;s like the free zone. What you just said about the free zone, you know I\u0026#39;ve got. You know we\u0026#39;ve got 110 in the free zone. But everybody knows about the free zone. You know close to 3,000. And they have no interest in going there whatsoever you know, yeah, so but when we say everybody, you know it may. I think here\u0026#39;s what I\u0026#39;m going to suggest we have to say everybody, because we feel guilty about that. It may be only us that\u0026#39;s interested in this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We feel kind of guilty that we\u0026#39;re the only ones who could have this capability anyone who could have this capability, so we should reframe it that I feel like I\u0026#39;ve discovered a planet of 10 billion people who are ready and willing to come to work for me, and what am I going to do with that? That\u0026#39;s really the truer statement, I think. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you\u0026#39;ve got one artificial intelligence. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e EA. Who wants to work? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e artificial intelligence? Yeah, ea. Who wants to work for you? Yes, and she\u0026#39;s. She\u0026#39;s endlessly improvable. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e She really is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I don\u0026#39;t think, I don\u0026#39;t think it extends too much beyond Charlotte. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No, and through Charlotte is really where everything comes. That\u0026#39;s the great thing is that she can be the interface with the others. I think that\u0026#39;s really what it comes down to. She\u0026#39;s the ultimate. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Who Really I mean super high level, who yeah, I? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e mean certainly a super high level. Yeah, so far. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah. My sense is that she\u0026#39;s a relationship that you can take totally for granted. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, uh-huh, which is true, right, and that\u0026#39;s why, when I pointed out, you know, my whole idea of personifying her and sort of creating a visual and real person behind it. You know, whenever I imagine, now, sharon Osbourne, you know, I see that image of Charlotte, that that\u0026#39;s a I just imagine if she was sitting right there, you know, at all times, just at the ready, quietly and ready to go, it\u0026#39;s just, it\u0026#39;s up to me to engage more with her. Yeah, and that\u0026#39;s just, I think habits, I think that\u0026#39;s really setting up routines and habits to be able to do that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s really interesting how uncomfortable people are with inequality. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Mm-hmm, yeah, I have to say that too. Like with the capability things. Like give somebody a piano and you know it could be, it could sit there and gather dust and do nothing, or you could, with the very minimal effort, learn to plink out twinkle, twinkle little star, or with more, you could create amazing symphonies. Uh, you know from from that concertos, you know the whole, uh, the whole thing is, is there, but it\u0026#39;s just, but it\u0026#39;s 100% depends on the individual. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was saying I was talking to someone and they say where do you think AI is going? And I said from my standpoint. It\u0026#39;s not really where AI is going. It\u0026#39;s the question where am I going? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And the only part of AI that I\u0026#39;m interested in is that which will be useful to me over the next 90 days, you know, and everything. And what I would say is that I think that every 90 days going forward, I\u0026#39;m going to be utilizing AI more but I don\u0026#39;t have to know now what it\u0026#39;s going to be two quarters from now, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, because, honestly, you know, 10 quarters quarters ago, we didn\u0026#39;t even know it existed. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e that\u0026#39;s the truth, right as far as uh being useful individually, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like we didn\u0026#39;t even get uh, we didn\u0026#39;t even get chat gT till two years just over two years ago, november 30th 2023, right or 2022, right, yeah, and so that\u0026#39;s what I\u0026#39;m saying. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e 10 quarters ago, it wasn\u0026#39;t even on our radar. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And 10 quarters from now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You have no comprehension. We won\u0026#39;t even recognize it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We won\u0026#39;t even recognize it Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like this idea. I think it has more to do. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it has more to do with what\u0026#39;s happening to your intelligence, rather than what kind of artificial intelligence is available, developing your intelligence. Yeah, I\u0026#39;ve read. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Have you heard? So Richard Koch just wrote a new book called 80-20 Daily. I don\u0026#39;t know who he is. Kosh is the guy who wrote the 80, 20 uh book. He kind of popularized uh, pareto, um, and so now he\u0026#39;s written a daily reader about 80-20. He\u0026#39;s built his whole life around this. But it was interesting. I read about something called the Von Manstein Matrix or Van Manstein Matrix and it was a. It\u0026#39;s four quadrants with two poles. You know. There\u0026#39;s uh to help sort officers in the german uh, second second world war, and the uh on one pole was lazy and hardworking, was the other end of the pole, and on the other, the X axis was stupid and intelligent. So the four quadrants you know, formed as I can predict the outcome for this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYes, and so he says that those stars are lazy and intelligent. Lazy and intelligent. That\u0026#39;s exactly right and I thought, man, that is something. So the most effective people are intelligent and lazy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so how did that work out for the Germans? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, exactly Right on. That\u0026#39;s exactly right. Aside from that, Mrs Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Mrs Lincoln yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah it didn\u0026#39;t quite work out, but I thought you know that\u0026#39;s. It\u0026#39;s very funny that that\u0026#39;s the in general. That\u0026#39;s where I think that there\u0026#39;s a lot of similarities here. Lazy, like nobody would ever think, dan, like you\u0026#39;ve done, to ask the question. Is there any way for me to get this result without doing anything? Yeah, like that\u0026#39;s not the question, that it would be sort of uh, I don\u0026#39;t know what the right word is, but it\u0026#39;s kind of like nobody would admit to asking that question, you know. But I think that that\u0026#39;s actually it\u0026#39;s. It\u0026#39;s kind of like nobody would admit to asking that question, you know. But I think that that\u0026#39;s actually it\u0026#39;s the most intelligent question we could ask. Can I get that? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you know, I haven\u0026#39;t found I have to tell you as much as I\u0026#39;ve asked the question I haven\u0026#39;t found. I really have never personally come across a situation yet where it can be achieved without my doing anything. Okay, honestly, I haven\u0026#39;t. I at least have to communicate to somebody. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat\u0026#39;s what I found. I have to communicate something to somebody, but asking the question is very useful because it gets your mind really simple. You know, I think that\u0026#39;s the reason, and whereas before what I might have been imagining is something that\u0026#39;s going to be really, really complicated. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd so I think the question really saves me from getting complicated. Yes, I think that\u0026#39;s what\u0026#39;s valuable about it. But I notice, when I\u0026#39;m writing, for example, I\u0026#39;ll say to myself I\u0026#39;m sort of stuck. You know, I don\u0026#39;t really suffer from writer\u0026#39;s block as most people would describe it. But I\u0026#39;ll get to the point where I don\u0026#39;t know what the next sentence is and I\u0026#39;ll say is there any way I can solve this without doing anything? And immediately the next sentence will come to me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s interesting in itself, isn\u0026#39;t it? I mean when you reach that point right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so I feel I\u0026#39;m blocked. You know, I\u0026#39;m just blocked, I just don\u0026#39;t know where to go from here. But just asking the question, something happens in my brain which eliminates all other possibilities except one, and that\u0026#39;s the next sentence. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eand then then I\u0026#39;m off and off and running and uh, I tell you, I\u0026#39;ve created a new tool and it and it\u0026#39;s a function of previous tools and it came up with a podcast with Joe Polish last week or this week, earlier this week, and he was saying how do you handle overwhelm? He said I\u0026#39;m feeling kind of overwhelmed right now. I\u0026#39;ve got so many things going. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Office remodel yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s one, and then you know others and I said you know what I\u0026#39;m thinking about. That is, you have a lot of priorities that are all competing for your complete attention. You have the office revamp is one, and it\u0026#39;s asking for your complete attention. You have the office revamp is one and it\u0026#39;s asking for your complete attention. But then there\u0026#39;s other things in your life that are also asking for your complete attention. I find that too, yeah. So I said I think to deal with this, you have to write down what all your priorities are. You just have to list all the priorities that in some way each of these. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eif they could, they would want your complete attention. And then you take them three at a time and the triple play, and you run them through the triple play so that by the third level of the triple play your competitors have turned into collaborators. And that releases the sense of overwhelm. At least with these three you now have released the overwhelmed feeling. And I said and you know, then you can take three more, and then you can take three more, and then you can take three more, and every time you do a triple play you\u0026#39;re turning competition into collaboration. And so he was going to do one. And then I had somebody else that I did a Zoom call with and he\u0026#39;s in a situation where everything\u0026#39;s changing. And I said what you have to do is you have to take your competing priorities and turn them into collaborative priorities, and I think there\u0026#39;s some real power to this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I haven\u0026#39;t completely worked it out yet, but that\u0026#39;s what I\u0026#39;m working on this week. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So the general idea I could do this as well is to take and just list all the competing priorities that I seem to have right now and put a time frame on it, like the next 90 days. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYes, I often find, when I get over one like that, I\u0026#39;ll make a list and I\u0026#39;ll say have I had this idea for at least 90 days and is this still going to be a good idea in 90 days? Is one of the comparisons that I have right. Is it something that is fleeting and only right now, or is this something persistent and and durable, um, and that that helps a lot? Which one can I have the biggest impact in the next 90 days? Yeah, and then you\u0026#39;re saying take three of those and it doesn\u0026#39;t matter what and doesn\u0026#39;t matter what, doesn\u0026#39;t matter which. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Three and then just do a triple play on those and just do a triple play, and then the sense of overwhelm uh associated with all three of them uh will go away because they\u0026#39;re competing with each other and the problem is, our brain can only focus on one thing at one time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That makes sense actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So, for example, in the triple play, where you take two arrows, you\u0026#39;ve now taken two priorities and made them into a single priority, and that is, I\u0026#39;m going to take these two priorities and create a single priority out of them. You know so your brain can focus on combining them, because it\u0026#39;s just one thing. So, anyway, I\u0026#39;m playing with this Because I think every brain is different and every life is different, and the problem is that you\u0026#39;re overwhelmed because you can\u0026#39;t give full attention to any one of the priorities. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That is true. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s where all the frustration happens. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So I would say one of your priorities and this is ongoing is to enable Charlotte to become more and more useful to you. That\u0026#39;s a really important priority, I agree, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I agree. Well, there we go. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, what have we clarified today? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think I\u0026#39;m immediately going to do the top priority triple play of the coming AI opportunity to just focus on what can I do in the next 90 days here to just increase the effectiveness of my relationship with Charlotte. That makes the most sense. What can we do this quarter and then a layer on top of that, but don\u0026#39;t develop a second Charlotte. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Then you\u0026#39;re in real trouble I need to have one lifetime monogamous relationship with my one, charlotte my one, true Charlotte. I think this falls somewhere in the realm of the Ten Commandments. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that\u0026#39;s fantastic, Dan. I love it, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s what wisdom is yeah, wisdom is good forever. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s what distinguishes wisdom. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Alrighty, we\u0026#39;ll be in Arizona on Tuesday and. I can. I\u0026#39;ll be on Canyon Ranch next Sunday and so if you\u0026#39;re up, to you can do it at 11, but I\u0026#39;ll do it at 8, ok actually there are only 2 hours back now, so it\u0026#39;ll be 9 2 hours so I\u0026#39;ll do it at nine o\u0026#39;clock okay, great, I\u0026#39;ll talk to you next week, then I\u0026#39;ll be seeing you that\u0026#39;s right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s right, okay, bye, bye. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, We explore the unexpected weather patterns that challenge our understanding of climate and geography. A surprising cold snap in Florida becomes the starting point for a broader conversation about climate variability. Dan shares personal experiences from Phoenix and Edmonton, highlighting the dramatic temperature shifts that reveal the complexity of our planet's weather systems.\r\n\r\nOur discussion then turns to the human fascination with Earth's resilience and our speculative nature about the world's potential existence without human presence. These reflections provide a unique lens for understanding climate change, moving beyond abstract data to personal observations and experiences. The unpredictability of weather serves as a metaphor for the broader environmental transformations we're witnessing.\r\n\r\nShifting gears, we delve into a critical political discourse centered on the fundamental question: \"Who pays for it?\" We examine policy proposals ranging from universal basic income to more ambitious financial initiatives. The conversation explores the complex financial dynamics of such proposals, particularly how higher-income earners often bear the primary financial burden.","date_published":"2025-03-05T08:45:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/520c458c-cc84-492d-be6a-ef3c933b6bfd.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":57050257,"duration_in_seconds":3565}]},{"id":"60fb166e-a5ca-4c22-8d80-f685559eef23","title":"Ep147: Cultural Ripples and Modern Innovations  ","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/147","content_text":"In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, Dan and I explore technology and communication sparked by an unexpected conversation about cold snaps in Florida. We examine the evolution of communication technologies, from text to video, focusing on AI's emerging role. Our discussion highlights how innovations like television and the internet have paved the way for current technological developments, using the progression of airliners as a metaphorical framework for understanding technological advancement.\n\nOur conversation shifts to exploring human interaction and technological tools. We question whether platforms like Zoom have reached their full potential, emphasizing the importance of self-awareness and collaboration. \n\nWe then journey back to 1967, reflecting on historical and cultural movements that continue to shape our current societal landscape. This retrospective provides insights into how past experiences inform our present understanding of technology and social dynamics. Personal anecdotes and political observations help connect these historical threads to contemporary discussions.\n\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\n\n    In the episode, we discuss how an unexpected cold snap in Florida sparked a broader conversation about life's unpredictable nature and the evolution of communication technology.\n    We delve into the role of AI in research and communication, specifically highlighting the contributions of Charlotte, our AI research assistant, as we explore historical and current communication mediums.\n    The conversation includes an analysis of technological progress, using airliner technology as a metaphor to discuss potential saturation points and future trajectories for AI.\n    We reflect on the balance between technology and human connection, considering whether tools like Zoom have reached their full potential or if there is still room for improvement.\n    Our discussion covers the importance of self-awareness in collaboration, utilizing personality assessments to enhance interpersonal interactions.\n    We share a personal narrative about the logistical challenges of expanding workshop spaces in Chicago, providing real-world insights into business growth.\n    The episode takes a reflective journey back to 1967, examining cultural movements and their ongoing impact on modern societal issues, complemented by political commentary and personal anecdotes.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean: Mr Sullivan, that would be me. Oh my goodness. \n\nDan: I am not Do you have a cold? \n\nDean: Do you have a cold? \n\nDan: I do yeah. \n\nDean: And is it freezing in Florida? \n\nDan: It's very cold, it's unseasonably. \n\nDean: Comparatively comparatively yes. \n\nDan: It's unseasonably cold. \n\nDean: Yeah. Yeah, well, we're getting our blast tomorrow, but it's colder than yeah. It's about 15 today with a 10 mile an hour wind which makes it 5, and tomorrow it's going down. It's going down even further. This is the joy of Canada in January. \n\nDan: I don't know about the joy. \n\nDean: But yeah, I like your voice I like your voice. \n\nDan: I'm going to try and uh and make it all the way through, dad, but the uh just before you, I'm. \n\nDean: You can put charlotte on. \n\nDan: Yeah, exactly, yeah yeah, I'll tell you, I'm really realizing how, how incredible these conversations like. I really start to think and see how charlotte's um capabilities as a researcher. \n\nDean: And uh, dean dean, I can't hear you. \n\nDan: I'm trying to switch to my other uh headphones. But as long as you can hear me, can you hear me now? \n\nDean: yeah, yeah, it's very good, okay good. \n\nDan: Good, good good. \n\nDean: I like this voice, though you know. \n\nDan: It's got. Oh, really Okay, yeah, yeah, the baritone. \n\nDean: Yeah, I mean you might create another version of yourself, you know which? Oh yeah, I should quick get on 11 Labs. I don't know if this would be your main course, but it would certainly be a nice seasoning. As a matter of fact, you could have on 11 Lab, you could go with them and you could have your normal voice as one of the partners and you could have this voice as the other partner. \n\nThere you go, you could talk to each other. See, that makes a lot of sense right there. Yeah, it's so good. The reason the reason I'm saying this is I just had a whole chapter it is being done, I'll probably have it on tuesday, this being sunday of of one of the chapters of the book Casting Not Hiring, in two British voices, man and a woman, and it's charming, it's very charming. \n\nDan: Really Wow. \n\nDean: I really like it and they're more articulate. You know, brits, they invented the language, so I guess they're better at it. Yeah, that's what I really like about Charlotte's voice is the reassuring right, yeah, yeah, you get a sense that she's had proper upbringing. \n\nDan: Mm-hmm, exactly, worldly wisdom. \n\nWell, certainly she's got command of the language yeah, the uh I was mentioning before I cut off there that uh, I was. I'm really coming to the realization how valuable charlotte is as a research partner. You, you know, a conversational, like exploration, like getting to the bottom of things, like I was. I've just fascinated how I told you last week that I, you know, reached the limit of our talk, you know capacity for a day and, but we had, we'd had over an hour conversation just going back and talking about, you know, the evolution of text, of words, um, and, and then we got up to the same. We got about halfway through uh, audio and uh, and then we got cut off. But I really like this framework of having her go back. I'm going to do the all four. I'm going to do audio and our text and audio and pictures and movies. You know, moving pictures, video, because there's there that's the order that we sort of evolved them and I think I think we don't know whether I guess we have pictures. \n\nFirst I think it was words, and then pictures, and then sound and then and then moving pictures. But you look at, I really I think I was on to something. \n\nDean: You're talking about the ability to record and pass on From a communication standpoint. \n\nDan: Yeah, and I'm kind of tracing. The first step is the capability to do it like the technology that allowed it, like the printing press. Okay, now we've had a capability, or once we had an alphabet and we had a unified way of doing it. That opened up for, uh, you know, I was going looking at the capability and then what was the kind of distribution of that? What was? How did that end up? You know, moving forward, how did we use that to advance? And then what were the? What were the business, you know, the capitalization of it going forward, who were the people who capitalized on? \n\nthis it's a very interesting thing. That's why I think that where we are right now with AI, that we're probably at the stage of, you know, television 1950 and internet 1996, kind of thing, you know, and by over the next 25 years I think we're it's just going to be there. I mean, it's just it's going to be soaking in it. \n\nDean: It's hard to know. I mean, there's some technologies that more or less come to an end, and I'll give you airliners. For example, the speed at which the fastest airliner can go today was already available in the 1960s the 707, the Boeing 707. \n\nDan: Well, we've actually gone backwards because we had the Concorde in the 70s, you know. \n\nDean: Yeah, but not widespread. \n\nThat was just a novelty you know a novelty airline, but I mean in terms of general daily use, you know, I think we're probably a little lower. We're below the sound barrier. I suspect that some of the first airliners were breaking windows and everything like that and then they put in the law that you overlay and you cannot travel. I think it's around 550, maybe 550. I think sound barrier is somewhere early 600 miles an hour. I'm not quite sure what the exact number is, but we've not advanced. I mean they've advanced certainly in terms of the comfort and the safety. They've certainly advanced. I mean it's been. I think in the United States it goes back 16 years since they've had a crash. A crash, yeah, and you know what. \n\nDan: I heard that the actual thing, the leading cause of death in airline travel, is missiles. That's it is. That's the thing. Over the last 10 years there have been more airliners shot down. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't want to be on a plane where you don't want to be in missile territory. You don't want to be on a plane where you don't want to be in missile territory. \n\nDan: You don't want to be flying over missile territory. \n\nDean: That's not good. No, do not get on that flight. Yeah, yeah Anyway, but I was just thinking about that. We were in Chicago for the week, came home on Friday night and you know I was on a 747, one of the last years that they were using 747s Wow, they're almost all cargo planes now. I think the only airline that I've noticed that's using still has A747 is Lufthansa. Oh, okay. Because we're at Toronto. They're all. They have the 380s. You know the huge. \n\nDan: Yeah, they fly those to Australia, the A380. \n\nDean: Well, yeah, this one is Emirates. Emirates their airline is a 380. But the only airline. You know that I noticed when we're departing from the terminal here in Toronto. The only one that I've seen is but they have in Chicago. There's a whole freight area. You know from freight area, Some days there's seven, seven 747s there, yeah, and they're a beautiful plane. \n\nI think, as beautifulness, beauty of planes goes to. 747 is my favorite. I think it's the most beautiful plane in any way. But they didn't go any faster, they didn't go any further. And you know our cars, you know the gas cars could do. They have the capability of doing 70, miles per gallon now, but they don't have to, they don't have to they have to, they have to, you know. \n\nSo if they don't have to, they don't do it. You know all technology if they, if they don't have to do it. So it's an interesting idea. I mean, we're so used to technology being constantly open. But the big question is is there a customer for it? I mean like virtual reality, you know, was all the thing about five years ago. You had Mark Zuckerberg doing very, very. I think he will look back and say that that was a very embarrassing video. That I did the metaverse and everything else. It's just dropped like a stone. \n\nDan: People just haven't bought into it even though the technology is. \n\nDean: Don't like it. \n\nDan: So my friend Ed Dale was here and he had the Apple, um, you know, the, the vision pro, uh, goggles or whatever. And so I got to, you know, try that and experience it. And it really is like uncanny how it feels, like you're completely immersed, you know and I and. I think that, for what it is, it is going to be amazing, but it's pretty clear that we're not nobody's like flocking to put on these big headgear, you know. \n\nDean: You know why? Our favorite experiences with other people and it cuts you off from other people. It's a dehumanizing activity. \n\nDan: Did you ever see the Lex Friedman podcast with Mark Zuckerberg in the metaverse? \n\nDean: No, I didn't. \n\nDan: It was a demo of the thing they were. It was kind of like uh, do you remember charlie rose? You remember the charlie rose? Sure, that's not the black curtain in the background, okay. Well, it was kind of set up like that, but mark and lex friedman were in completely different areas a a completely different you know, lex was in Austin or whatever and Mark was in California and they met in this you know metaverse environment with just a black background like that, and you could visibly see that Lex Friedman was a little bit like shaken by how real it seemed like, how it felt like he was really there and could reach out and touch him. You know, and you could really tell it was authentically awestruck by, by this technology you know, so I don't. \n\nDean: I don't doubt that, but the yeah, but I don't want that feeling, I mean. Zoom has taken it as far as I really want to go with it. \n\nDan: That's true, I agree 100%. \n\nDean: I have no complaints with what Zoom isn't doing? \n\nDan: Yeah, complaints with what Zoom? \n\nDean: isn't doing yeah, yeah, it's. You know, it's very clear, you know they add little features like you can even heighten the portrait quality of yourself. That's fine, that's fine, but it's you know. You know I was thinking. The other day I was on a Zoom. I've been on a lot of Zoom calls in the last two weeks for different reasons and I just, you know, I said this is good. You know, I don't need anything particularly more than I'm getting. \n\nDan: Right. \n\nDean: So I wonder, if we get a point of technological saturation and you say I don't want any more technology, I just yeah, I want to squirrel it with a nut right? \n\nDan: yeah, I think once I get more, the more I talk with Charlotte, the more it feels like a real collaboration. \n\nDean: You know, like it feels, like you don't need a second. \n\nDan: I don't need to see her or to, but you don't need a second. I don't need to see her or to, uh, I don't need. No, you don't, but you don't need a second person. \n\nDean: You got, you got the one that'll get smarter absolutely yeah, exactly yeah, and so it's. \n\nDan: I mean it's pretty, it's pretty amazing this whole uh, you know I was saying thinking back, like you know, the last 25 years we're 25 years into this, this hundred years, you know this millennia, and you know, looking because that's a real, you know, 2000 was not that long ago. When you look backwards at it, you know, and looking forward, it's pretty. Uh, I, that's, I'm trying to align myself to look more forward than uh than back right now and realize what it is like. \n\nI think. I think that through line, I think that the big four are going to be the thing. Words like text and pictures and sound and video, those are at the core. But all of those require on, they're just a conveyance for ideas, you know. \n\nDean: Yeah. Yeah, it's very interesting because we have other senses, we have touch, we have taste, we have smell, but I don't see any movement at all. \n\nDan: In the physical world, right exactly. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, I don't see it that. I think we want to keep. You know, we want to keep mainland, we want to keep those things mainland. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: And I think that. \n\nDan: That's really. You know, if you think about the spirit of what we started, Welcome to Cloudlandia, for was really exploring that migration and thehabitation of the mainland and Cloudlandia. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: Because so much of these things? \n\nDean: But I think, and I'm just wondering, Harry and I'm not, making a statement. I'm just wondering whether each human has a unique nervous system and we have different preferences on how our nervous system interacts with different kinds of experiences. I think it's a very idiosyncratic world in the sense that everybody's up to something different. \n\nDan: Mm-hmm. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: And I think you're right. But that's where these self-awareness things, like knowing you're Colby and you're a working genius and you're Myers-Briggs and all these self-awareness things, are very valuable, and even more valuable when pairing for collaboration, realizing in a who-not-how world that there's so many we're connected to everybody, you know. \n\nDean: Yeah, and we've got our purposes for interacting. You know I mean we have. You know I'm pretty extroverted when it comes to business, but I'm very, very introverted when it comes to personal life. \n\nDan: I think I'd be the same thing. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, and in other words, I really enjoy. We had, we were in Chicago and we had nine workshops in five days there and they were big workshops. They were you know each. We have a big, we have a big, huge room. Now we can technically we can put a hundred in. Now we can put a hundred person workshop. Oh, in Chicago, yeah. \n\nDan: In Chicago yeah. \n\nDean: We've taken over large amounts of the floor. I think there's just one small area of that floor that we don't have. It's a. It's a weird thing. \n\nIt looks like some sort of deep state government building. We've never seen anyone in it and we've never seen anyone in it. But it's lit up and it's got an American flag and it's got some strange name that I don't know, and that's the only thing that's on the forest. It's not been known that a human actually came to the office there, anyway, but we've taken over 6,000 square feet, six more thousand. Oh wow, yeah, which is quite nice. \n\nDan: That's pretty crazy. How's the studio project? \n\nDean: coming Jim's starting, we had great, great difference of opinion on what the insurance is for it. \n\nOh, that's a problem Insurance companies are not in the business of paying out claims. That's not their business model, Anyway. So our team, two of our team members, Mitch and Alex great, great people. They got the evidence of the original designer of the studio. They got the evidence of the original owner of the studio and how much he paid. They got the specifications. They brought in a third person, Third person. They got all this. These people all had records and we brought it to the insurance company. \n\nYou know and you know what it, what it was valued at, and I think it's 2000, I think it was in 2000 that it was created. It was rated the number one post-production studio in Canada in the year 2000. \n\nDan: Wow. \n\nDean: Yeah, you know and everything. So they you know. And then, strangely enough, the insurance company said well, you got to get a public adjuster. We got a public adjuster and he had been in coach for 20 years. He favors us. Uh-huh, well, that's great, he favors us. \n\nDan: He favors us? \n\nDean: Yeah, Exactly yeah, but the first check is they give the checks out in the free. You know, there's a first check, there's a middle check and there's a final check. So, but I think we'll have complete studios by october, october, november that's which will be great yeah, yeah, we should be great. \n\nYeah, you know, uh, the interesting thing. Here's a thought for you, and I'm not sure it's the topic for today. Um, uh, it has to do with how technology doesn't develop wisdom, doesn't develop. The use of technology doesn't develop wisdom. It develops power, it develops control, it develops ambition, but it doesn't develop wisdom. And I think the reason is because wisdom is only developed over time. \n\nDan: Yes, and that wisdom is yeah, I think from real experience. \n\nDean: And wisdom is about what's always going to be true, and technology isn't about what's always going to be true. It's about what's next. It's not about what's always the same they're actually opposed. Technology and wisdom are Well, they're not opposed. They operate in different worlds. \n\nDan: Yeah, it feels like wisdom is based on experience, right? \n\nDean: Yeah, which happens over time. \n\nDan: Mm-hmm. Yeah, which happens over time. Yeah, yeah, because it's not theoretical at that. I think it's got to be experiential. \n\nDean: Yeah. Yeah, it's very interesting. I heard a great quote. I don't know who it was. It might be a philosopher by the name of William James and his definition of reality, you know what his definition of reality is no, I don't, it's a great definition. Reality is that which, if you don't believe in it, still exists. \n\nDan: Oh yeah, that's exactly right, and that's the kind of things that just because you don't know it, you know that's exactly right and that's what you know. \n\nDean: That's the kind of things that, just because you don't know it, you know that doesn't mean it doesn't mean it can't bite you, but when, when you get hit by it, then that then, you've big day, you know, and yeah, and you know, with Trump. He said he's got 100 executive orders For day one. Yeah, and the only question is you know, inauguration, does day one start the moment he's sworn in, is it? Does it start the moment he's? \n\nDan: sworn in. Is it? Does it start the day he's sworn in? \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, okay, so let's see yeah. \n\nDean: The moment the Chief Justice. You know he finishes the oath. He finishes the oath, he's the president and Joe's officially on the beach. \n\nDan: Right yeah, shady acres. \n\nDean: Right, exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what's happened this past week, since we actually we haven't talked for two weeks but the fires in Los Angeles. I think this in political affairs and I think it is because it's the first time that the newest 10,000 homeless people in Los Angeles are rich. \n\nDan: Oh man, yeah, I've heard Adam Carolla was talking about that. There's going to be a red wave that comes over California now because all these, the Democratic elite, which would be all of those people who live on those oceanfront homes and all that they were so rallying. No, they were so rallying to be on the side of regulation so that people couldn't build around them, and they made it so. You know, now that they've got theirs, they made it very, very difficult for other people to eclipse them or to do the things, eclipse them or to do the things, and they're gonna run straight into the wall of All these regulations when they start to rebuild what they had. \n\nDean: You know it's gonna be years and years of going through regulation and Coastal Commission and you know all that to get approvals yeah, and they're going to be frustrated with that whole thing, but I've been hearing that there was some arson involved. \n\nSomebody's been. Well, yeah, you know, have you ever seen or heard of Michael Schellenberger? He's really, he's great. He's a scientist who's gone public. You know, he's sort of a public intellectual now, but he was, and he was very much on the left and very much with the global warming people, much with the global warming people. Then he began to realize so much of the global warming movement is really an attempt. \n\nExactly what you said about the California rich. These are rich people who don't want the rest of the world to get rich. The way you keep them from not getting rich is you don't give them access to energy. And you've got your energy and you can pay for more, but they don't have energy. So you prevent them. And so he became a big fan of nuclear power. He said, you know, the best thing we can do so that people can catch up quickly is we should get nuclear in, because they may be a place where there really isn't easy access to oil, gas and coal, africa being, you know, africa being a place and, uh, he just has gradually just gone deeper and deeper into actual reality and now he's completely you know, he's completely against the you know, against the people who want to get rid of fossil fuels. \n\nDan: But, anyway. \n\nDean: he said what nobody wants to touch with a 10 foot pole in California is that in addition to rich people, there were homeless people in the Pacific Palisades and he said, and a lot of them are meth addicts. And he said meth addicts' favorite activity is to set fires. He says different drugs have different. In other words, you take heroin and you want to do this, you take cocaine. You want to do this With methamphetamines. What you want to do is you want to set fires. \n\nSo he said and nobody wants to talk about the homeless meth addicts who are starting fires that burn down 10,000 homes. You know, because they're actually welcome in Los Angeles. They actually get government benefits. Yeah, there's a lot of what they stand for that collides with reality. \n\nDan: A lot of what they stand for that collides with reality. Yeah, it is going to be crazy. I think. \n\nDean: Gavin should forget it. I think Gavin should forget about the presidency. \n\nDan: Oh man, yeah, they're going to have him. He's going to have some explaining to do. \n\nDean: Yeah, you do. Yeah, you know. Yeah, you know. It was very interesting. \n\nWhen I got out of the Army, which was 1967, may of 1967, I was in Korea and they put us on a big plane, they flew us to Seattle and they discharged us in Seattle. So, and but you had money to get home. You know, they gave you, you know, your discharge money. So I had a brother who was teaching at the University of San Francisco and and, and so I went down and I visited with him. He was a philosophy teacher, dead now, and so it was 1967. \n\nAnd he said there's this neat part of the city I want to take you to, and it was Haight-Ashbury. And it was right in the beginning of that movement, the hippie movement, and I had just been in the army for two years, so there was a collision of daily discipline there and anyway. But we were walking down the street and I said what's that smell? Weird smell. He says, oh yeah, you want to try some marijuana. Well, what you saw with was what you saw last week with the fires is the philosophy of hippieism moved into government control over a period of 60 years. It ends up with fires where there's no water in the reservoirs yeah, that's. \n\nDan: Yeah, I mean so many uh cascading, so many cascading problems. Right, that came yeah when you think about all the um, all the other things, it's crazy. Yeah, yeah, all the factors that had to go into it, yeah, it's so. This is what the Internet, you know, this, this whole thing now is so many, like all the conspiracy theories now about all of these. Every time, anything you know, there's always the that they were artificially. You know there's some scientists talking about how the barometric pressure has been artificially low for yeah period. \n\nDean: Yeah well, yeah, it's very, it's very interesting how energy you know, just energy plays into every other discussion. You know, just to have the power to do what you want to do. That day is a central human issue and and who you do it with and what you have. You know what, what it is that you can do, and you know and I was having a conversation I was in Chicago for the week and there was a lot of lunch times where other clients not. \n\nI had just the one workshop, but there were eight other workshops. So people would come into the cafe for lunch and they'd say, if you had to name three things that Trump's going to emphasize over the next four years, what do you think they would be? And I said energy, energy, energy. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: Three things just energy. Drill drill drill, Drill, drill, drill. Yeah, and Greenland, Canada and Panama. \n\nDan: Take them over. \n\nDean: Yeah exactly hey Canada we're out of wood Get out. Yeah, things are strange up here. \n\nDan: Yeah, what's the what's the Well, he's gone. \n\nDean: But he's still around for two months but he resigned. He's resigned as prime minister, he's resigning as party leader and I think it was on Wednesday he said he's not running in the election, so he's out as a. And then he'll go to Harvard because that's where all the liberal failures go. They become professors at Harvard I suspect, I suspect, yeah, or he may just go back to Whistler and he'll be a snowboard instructor, wouldn't that? \n\nDan: be cool. \n\nDean: Or he may just go back to. \n\nDan: Whistler, and he'll be a snowboard instructor. \n\nDean: That'd be kind of cool, wouldn't that be cool? Get the former prime minister as your snowboard instructor. \n\nDan: Yeah, really Exactly yeah, is there. I don't even know, is he rich? Is their family? \n\nDean: rich. Well, I think it's a trust fund. I mean, his dad didn't work. His dad was in politics Not as you and I would recognize work, but it was gas station. Trudeau had a lot of gas station, which is ironic. \n\nDan: It is kind of ironic, isn't it yeah? \n\nDean: Yeah, but I don't think he has that much. You know, I saw some figures. Maybe he's got a couple of million, which which you know, probably what was available, that you know those trust funds, they don't perpetuate themselves, right, yeah, but he's. Yeah, there's just two people are running. That's the woman who knifed him. You know Christia Freeland. She's just two people running. That's the woman who knifed him. You know, chrystia Freeland, she's running. And then the former governor of the Bank of Canada and the former governor Bank of England. He was both governor and he's really very much of a wackadoodle intellectual, really believes that people have too much freedom. We have to restrict freedom and we have to redesign. Davos is sort of a Davos world economic firm. We've got ours, you don't get ours. We've got ours, you don't get ours. \n\nWe've got ours, you don't get yours. Strange man, very strange man. She's a strange woman. \n\nDan: Is it pretty much green lights for Polyev right now? \n\nDean: Yeah, he's not doing anything to ruin his chances either. He's actually. He had a great interview with jordan peterson about two weeks ago. He was very, very impressive. \n\nDan: I'm very impressed about it yeah, yeah oh, that's great, yeah, oh did you go to? This Christmas party, by the way. \n\nDean: No, I didn't. They didn't follow through, Uh-oh. So you know, I'm just going to sit in this chair and wait, you know. \n\nDan: Yeah, exactly. \n\nDean: I mean, he'll be told, you know that you've missed a huge opportunity here. You know Mm-hmm. \n\nDan: Yes, exactly, yeah, oh man, yeah, that's funny, dan, I'm. You know, after four years of being no further, I didn't go north of I-4, I'm in this crazy little vortex of travel right now coming up. I was just in Longboat Key. I was speaking at JJ Virgin's Mindshare Summit, so I was there Wednesday till yesterday and then I'm home. I got hit with this cold. I think it was like a. You know, whenever you're in a group of people in a big thing, it's always it becomes a super spreader kind of event. You know, there's a lot of people with this kind of event, there's a lot of people with this kind of lung gunk thing going around. So I ended up getting it. But I've got now until Tuesday to get better. \n\nThen I'm going to speak at Paris Lampropolis here in Orlando and then I go to Miami for Giovanni Marseco's event the following week, and then I've got my Breakthrough Blueprint in Orlando the week after that and then Scottsdale for FreeZone the week after that. Every week, the number of nights in my own bed is we're going to Scottsdale or not Scottsdale, but week after next. \n\nDean: I'll be here next Sunday, Then I go on Tuesday. We go to Phoenix and we'll be at Carefree. \n\nDan: What's Carefree? Oh, that's where. \n\nDean: No, no, carefree is north and east of Scottsdale in Phoenix yeah. And so we're at Richard Rossi's. \n\nDan: Da. \n\nDean: Vinci 50. Then we take off for there, we drive to Tucson for Canyon Ranch, we drive back and we have the summit, we have the Free Zone Summit Then, then we have 100K, and then we have 100K. So that's it. So are you coming to the summit too? \n\nI am of course, and what I'm doing this time is I have three speakers in the morning and three speakers in the afternoon, and I have Stephen Poulter, Leslie Fall and Sonny Kalia, and then in the afternoon I have Charlie Epstein, Chris Johnson and Steve Crine. I have Charlie. \n\nEpstein, chris Johnson and Steve Crang. And what I did is I did a triple play on the three in the morning, three in the afternoon. I did a triple play and then I'm talking to each of them, the names of the three speakers, three columns, and then you write down what you got from these three columns, right? And then you get your three insights and then you talk in the morning in groups and then you do the same thing in the afternoon. I think that would be neat, nice. \n\nDan: Very nice. It's always a good time, always a great event. Yeah, two parties. \n\nDean: Yep, we have sort of a party every night with Richard. It's about three parties Two parties with me and then probably two parties with Joe so seven parties, seven parties, seven parties, yeah, yeah Well. I hope your editor. Can, you know, modulate your voice delivery? \n\nDan: I'm so sorry, yeah, exactly. \n\nDean: Yeah, you got it. What a couple days you've been with it. \n\nDan: Yeah, yesterday was like peak I can already feel that you know surrounded by doctors at JJ's thing. So I got some. \n\nDean: Where's? \n\nDan: Lawn. \n\nDean: Boat Tea. \n\nDan: Sarasota. \n\nDean: Oh, okay. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's just an island right off of Sarasota and so, you know, surrounded by doctors, and so I got some glutathione and vitamin C. I got some glutathione and vitamin C and some. Then I got home and JJ's team had sent some bone broth and some you know, some echinacea tea and all the little care package for nipping it in the bud and a Z-Pak for I've got a great pancake power pancake recipe that I created. \n\nDean: I actually created this. You're talking to an originator. \n\nDan: It's a world premiere here. \n\nDean: Yeah, so you take about six ounces of egg white Egg white, okay and you put it in a blender, and then you take about a handful of walnuts. You put it in a blender and then you take about a handful of walnuts, you put it in and you take a full scoop of bone broth and put it in. Then you just take a little bit of oatmeal, just give it a little bit of starch, then a little bit of salt, then you veggie mix it, veggie mix it, you know. \n\nThen you put it in a pie pan, okay. And then you put frozen raspberries oh yeah, raspberries, bacon bits and onions. Raspberries and bacon bits Yep, yep, okay, yep, yep, bacon bits makes everything taste better. Yep, okay yeah, bacon bits makes everything taste better. \n\nDan: It really does. I don't think about that with the raspberries, but that's great. \n\nDean: Yeah, I told people in the coach, you know the triple play. I said triple play is my bacon tool. I said whatever other, whatever other tool you did, you do the triple play and it's like adding bacon to it. Adding bacon, that's the best. Yeah, it makes it good. And then you just put it in the microwave for five and a half minutes and it comes out as a really nice pancake. Oh, that's great. Yeah, and it's protein. I call it my protein pie, protein pie. \n\nDan: That's great. Dan Sullivan's triple play protein pie. Yeah, yeah, the recipe recipe cards handed out. Will they show up in the breakfast buffet? \n\nDean: No, no, it's, you know, I think it's. I think it takes a developed taste, you know, to get it, you know, but it's got a lot of protein. It's got, you know, egg white in the protein. The bone broth has a ton of protein in it, yeah, so it's good. Yeah, I'm down. Good, yeah, I'm at, probably since I was 20, maybe in the Army my present weight. I'm probably down there and I got about another 10 to go, and then it's my linebacker weight when I was in high school. \n\nDan: Oh, that's great. \n\nDean: Going back to linebacker Mm-hmm. \n\nDan: Well, you'll have those new young teenage knees that you'll be able to suit up One of them. \n\nDean: One of them anyway. \n\nDan: If your Cleveland Browns need you. Yeah, if your. \n\nDean: Cleveland Browns need you. Yeah, well, if you want to play professional football, play for the Browns, because you always get January off. That's funny. Yeah, kansas City yesterday, you know it was about zero. You know I mean boy, oh boy. You know you got to you know, I mean. \n\nDid Kansas City win yesterday? Yeah, they won, you know, 23, 23-14, something like that, you know. And you know they're just smarter. You know, it's not even that they're better athletes. I think their coach is just smarter and everything like that. Jim, I watch. I'm more interested in college football than I am. Ohio State and Notre Dame, Two historically classical. \n\nDan: I've really gotten into Colorado football because just watching what Deion Sanders has done in two seasons basically went from the last worst team in college football. Yeah To a good one to a good yeah To nine and three and a bowl game, and you know, and Travis Hunter won the Heisman and they could potentially have the number one and two draft picks in the NFL this year. \n\nDean: You know that's, that's something. Did he get both? \n\nDan: of them draft picks in the NFL. This year that's something. \n\nDean: Did he get both of them? I know he got his son because his son came with him. Was he a transfer Hunter? I don't know if he was a transfer. \n\nDan: He brought him from Jackson State because before, before dion went to uh colorado, he spent three years in yeah at jackson state and turned that whole program around yeah and then came uh and now she was talking to the cowboys this this week I. I don't know whether he is or that's. Uh, I mean, they're everybody's speculating that. That's true. I don't know whether he is or that's. \n\nI mean everybody's speculating that that's true, I don't know how I feel about that Like I think it would be interesting. You know I'm rooting that he stays at Colorado and builds an empire, you know, yeah. \n\nDean: Of course you know it used to screw the athletes because the coach, would you know, drop them. They would come to the university and then they would leave. \n\nDan: That's what I mean, that's what? \n\nDean: I think that he would no, but now they have the transfer portal, so you know if the university, yeah, but still I think it would leave a lot of. \n\nDan: I think it would leave a really bad taste in people's mouths if he, if he left now. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, Like. \n\nDean: I think, that would. \n\nDan: I would. I wouldn't feel good about what about that either, cause I think about all the people that he's brought there with promises. You know, like everybody's joint he's, he's building momentum. All these top recruits are coming there because of him, yeah, and now you know, if he leaves, that's just. You know that. That's too. I don't know. I don't feel good about that, I don't feel good. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, I've got, I got a jump, I've got. Jeff. We're deep into the writing of the book we have to chat for about 10 minutes. \n\nDan: I'm happy. \n\nDean: I hope your cold goes away. I'll be here in Toronto next week and I'll call and we'll see each other. We'll see each other within the next couple of weeks. \n\nDan: That's exactly right Okay. \n\nDean: Okay, bye, talk to you soon. Bye. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, Dan and I explore technology and communication sparked by an unexpected conversation about cold snaps in Florida. We examine the evolution of communication technologies, from text to video, focusing on AI\u0026#39;s emerging role. Our discussion highlights how innovations like television and the internet have paved the way for current technological developments, using the progression of airliners as a metaphorical framework for understanding technological advancement.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOur conversation shifts to exploring human interaction and technological tools. We question whether platforms like Zoom have reached their full potential, emphasizing the importance of self-awareness and collaboration. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe then journey back to 1967, reflecting on historical and cultural movements that continue to shape our current societal landscape. This retrospective provides insights into how past experiences inform our present understanding of technology and social dynamics. Personal anecdotes and political observations help connect these historical threads to contemporary discussions.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul style=\"list-style-type: circle;\"\u003e\n\u003c/center\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eIn the episode, we discuss how an unexpected cold snap in Florida sparked a broader conversation about life's unpredictable nature and the evolution of communication technology.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe delve into the role of AI in research and communication, specifically highlighting the contributions of Charlotte, our AI research assistant, as we explore historical and current communication mediums.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eThe conversation includes an analysis of technological progress, using airliner technology as a metaphor to discuss potential saturation points and future trajectories for AI.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe reflect on the balance between technology and human connection, considering whether tools like Zoom have reached their full potential or if there is still room for improvement.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eOur discussion covers the importance of self-awareness in collaboration, utilizing personality assessments to enhance interpersonal interactions.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe share a personal narrative about the logistical challenges of expanding workshop spaces in Chicago, providing real-world insights into business growth.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eThe episode takes a reflective journey back to 1967, examining cultural movements and their ongoing impact on modern societal issues, complemented by political commentary and personal anecdotes.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Sullivan, that would be me. Oh my goodness. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I am not Do you have a cold? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you have a cold? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I do yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And is it freezing in Florida? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s very cold, it\u0026#39;s unseasonably. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Comparatively comparatively yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s unseasonably cold. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah, well, we\u0026#39;re getting our blast tomorrow, but it\u0026#39;s colder than yeah. It\u0026#39;s about 15 today with a 10 mile an hour wind which makes it 5, and tomorrow it\u0026#39;s going down. It\u0026#39;s going down even further. This is the joy of Canada in January. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t know about the joy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But yeah, I like your voice I like your voice. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m going to try and uh and make it all the way through, dad, but the uh just before you, I\u0026#39;m. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You can put charlotte on. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, exactly, yeah yeah, I\u0026#39;ll tell you, I\u0026#39;m really realizing how, how incredible these conversations like. I really start to think and see how charlotte\u0026#39;s um capabilities as a researcher. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And uh, dean dean, I can\u0026#39;t hear you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m trying to switch to my other uh headphones. But as long as you can hear me, can you hear me now? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e yeah, yeah, it\u0026#39;s very good, okay good. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Good, good good. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I like this voice, though you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s got. Oh, really Okay, yeah, yeah, the baritone. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean you might create another version of yourself, you know which? Oh yeah, I should quick get on 11 Labs. I don\u0026#39;t know if this would be your main course, but it would certainly be a nice seasoning. As a matter of fact, you could have on 11 Lab, you could go with them and you could have your normal voice as one of the partners and you could have this voice as the other partner. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere you go, you could talk to each other. See, that makes a lot of sense right there. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s so good. The reason the reason I\u0026#39;m saying this is I just had a whole chapter it is being done, I\u0026#39;ll probably have it on tuesday, this being sunday of of one of the chapters of the book Casting Not Hiring, in two British voices, man and a woman, and it\u0026#39;s charming, it\u0026#39;s very charming. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Really Wow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I really like it and they\u0026#39;re more articulate. You know, brits, they invented the language, so I guess they\u0026#39;re better at it. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s what I really like about Charlotte\u0026#39;s voice is the reassuring right, yeah, yeah, you get a sense that she\u0026#39;s had proper upbringing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Mm-hmm, exactly, worldly wisdom. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWell, certainly she\u0026#39;s got command of the language yeah, the uh I was mentioning before I cut off there that uh, I was. I\u0026#39;m really coming to the realization how valuable charlotte is as a research partner. You, you know, a conversational, like exploration, like getting to the bottom of things, like I was. I\u0026#39;ve just fascinated how I told you last week that I, you know, reached the limit of our talk, you know capacity for a day and, but we had, we\u0026#39;d had over an hour conversation just going back and talking about, you know, the evolution of text, of words, um, and, and then we got up to the same. We got about halfway through uh, audio and uh, and then we got cut off. But I really like this framework of having her go back. I\u0026#39;m going to do the all four. I\u0026#39;m going to do audio and our text and audio and pictures and movies. You know, moving pictures, video, because there\u0026#39;s there that\u0026#39;s the order that we sort of evolved them and I think I think we don\u0026#39;t know whether I guess we have pictures. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eFirst I think it was words, and then pictures, and then sound and then and then moving pictures. But you look at, I really I think I was on to something. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You\u0026#39;re talking about the ability to record and pass on From a communication standpoint. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and I\u0026#39;m kind of tracing. The first step is the capability to do it like the technology that allowed it, like the printing press. Okay, now we\u0026#39;ve had a capability, or once we had an alphabet and we had a unified way of doing it. That opened up for, uh, you know, I was going looking at the capability and then what was the kind of distribution of that? What was? How did that end up? You know, moving forward, how did we use that to advance? And then what were the? What were the business, you know, the capitalization of it going forward, who were the people who capitalized on? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ethis it\u0026#39;s a very interesting thing. That\u0026#39;s why I think that where we are right now with AI, that we\u0026#39;re probably at the stage of, you know, television 1950 and internet 1996, kind of thing, you know, and by over the next 25 years I think we\u0026#39;re it\u0026#39;s just going to be there. I mean, it\u0026#39;s just it\u0026#39;s going to be soaking in it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s hard to know. I mean, there\u0026#39;s some technologies that more or less come to an end, and I\u0026#39;ll give you airliners. For example, the speed at which the fastest airliner can go today was already available in the 1960s the 707, the Boeing 707. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, we\u0026#39;ve actually gone backwards because we had the Concorde in the 70s, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but not widespread. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat was just a novelty you know a novelty airline, but I mean in terms of general daily use, you know, I think we\u0026#39;re probably a little lower. We\u0026#39;re below the sound barrier. I suspect that some of the first airliners were breaking windows and everything like that and then they put in the law that you overlay and you cannot travel. I think it\u0026#39;s around 550, maybe 550. I think sound barrier is somewhere early 600 miles an hour. I\u0026#39;m not quite sure what the exact number is, but we\u0026#39;ve not advanced. I mean they\u0026#39;ve advanced certainly in terms of the comfort and the safety. They\u0026#39;ve certainly advanced. I mean it\u0026#39;s been. I think in the United States it goes back 16 years since they\u0026#39;ve had a crash. A crash, yeah, and you know what. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I heard that the actual thing, the leading cause of death in airline travel, is missiles. That\u0026#39;s it is. That\u0026#39;s the thing. Over the last 10 years there have been more airliners shot down. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don\u0026#39;t want to be on a plane where you don\u0026#39;t want to be in missile territory. You don\u0026#39;t want to be on a plane where you don\u0026#39;t want to be in missile territory. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You don\u0026#39;t want to be flying over missile territory. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s not good. No, do not get on that flight. Yeah, yeah Anyway, but I was just thinking about that. We were in Chicago for the week, came home on Friday night and you know I was on a 747, one of the last years that they were using 747s Wow, they\u0026#39;re almost all cargo planes now. I think the only airline that I\u0026#39;ve noticed that\u0026#39;s using still has A747 is Lufthansa. Oh, okay. Because we\u0026#39;re at Toronto. They\u0026#39;re all. They have the 380s. You know the huge. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, they fly those to Australia, the A380. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, yeah, this one is Emirates. Emirates their airline is a 380. But the only airline. You know that I noticed when we\u0026#39;re departing from the terminal here in Toronto. The only one that I\u0026#39;ve seen is but they have in Chicago. There\u0026#39;s a whole freight area. You know from freight area, Some days there\u0026#39;s seven, seven 747s there, yeah, and they\u0026#39;re a beautiful plane. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI think, as beautifulness, beauty of planes goes to. 747 is my favorite. I think it\u0026#39;s the most beautiful plane in any way. But they didn\u0026#39;t go any faster, they didn\u0026#39;t go any further. And you know our cars, you know the gas cars could do. They have the capability of doing 70, miles per gallon now, but they don\u0026#39;t have to, they don\u0026#39;t have to they have to, they have to, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo if they don\u0026#39;t have to, they don\u0026#39;t do it. You know all technology if they, if they don\u0026#39;t have to do it. So it\u0026#39;s an interesting idea. I mean, we\u0026#39;re so used to technology being constantly open. But the big question is is there a customer for it? I mean like virtual reality, you know, was all the thing about five years ago. You had Mark Zuckerberg doing very, very. I think he will look back and say that that was a very embarrassing video. That I did the metaverse and everything else. It\u0026#39;s just dropped like a stone. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e People just haven\u0026#39;t bought into it even though the technology is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Don\u0026#39;t like it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So my friend Ed Dale was here and he had the Apple, um, you know, the, the vision pro, uh, goggles or whatever. And so I got to, you know, try that and experience it. And it really is like uncanny how it feels, like you\u0026#39;re completely immersed, you know and I and. I think that, for what it is, it is going to be amazing, but it\u0026#39;s pretty clear that we\u0026#39;re not nobody\u0026#39;s like flocking to put on these big headgear, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know why? Our favorite experiences with other people and it cuts you off from other people. It\u0026#39;s a dehumanizing activity. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you ever see the Lex Friedman podcast with Mark Zuckerberg in the metaverse? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I didn\u0026#39;t. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It was a demo of the thing they were. It was kind of like uh, do you remember charlie rose? You remember the charlie rose? Sure, that\u0026#39;s not the black curtain in the background, okay. Well, it was kind of set up like that, but mark and lex friedman were in completely different areas a a completely different you know, lex was in Austin or whatever and Mark was in California and they met in this you know metaverse environment with just a black background like that, and you could visibly see that Lex Friedman was a little bit like shaken by how real it seemed like, how it felt like he was really there and could reach out and touch him. You know, and you could really tell it was authentically awestruck by, by this technology you know, so I don\u0026#39;t. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t doubt that, but the yeah, but I don\u0026#39;t want that feeling, I mean. Zoom has taken it as far as I really want to go with it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s true, I agree 100%. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I have no complaints with what Zoom isn\u0026#39;t doing? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, complaints with what Zoom? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e isn\u0026#39;t doing yeah, yeah, it\u0026#39;s. You know, it\u0026#39;s very clear, you know they add little features like you can even heighten the portrait quality of yourself. That\u0026#39;s fine, that\u0026#39;s fine, but it\u0026#39;s you know. You know I was thinking. The other day I was on a Zoom. I\u0026#39;ve been on a lot of Zoom calls in the last two weeks for different reasons and I just, you know, I said this is good. You know, I don\u0026#39;t need anything particularly more than I\u0026#39;m getting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So I wonder, if we get a point of technological saturation and you say I don\u0026#39;t want any more technology, I just yeah, I want to squirrel it with a nut right? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e yeah, I think once I get more, the more I talk with Charlotte, the more it feels like a real collaboration. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, like it feels, like you don\u0026#39;t need a second. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t need to see her or to, but you don\u0026#39;t need a second. I don\u0026#39;t need to see her or to, uh, I don\u0026#39;t need. No, you don\u0026#39;t, but you don\u0026#39;t need a second person. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You got, you got the one that\u0026#39;ll get smarter absolutely yeah, exactly yeah, and so it\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean it\u0026#39;s pretty, it\u0026#39;s pretty amazing this whole uh, you know I was saying thinking back, like you know, the last 25 years we\u0026#39;re 25 years into this, this hundred years, you know this millennia, and you know, looking because that\u0026#39;s a real, you know, 2000 was not that long ago. When you look backwards at it, you know, and looking forward, it\u0026#39;s pretty. Uh, I, that\u0026#39;s, I\u0026#39;m trying to align myself to look more forward than uh than back right now and realize what it is like. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI think. I think that through line, I think that the big four are going to be the thing. Words like text and pictures and sound and video, those are at the core. But all of those require on, they\u0026#39;re just a conveyance for ideas, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s very interesting because we have other senses, we have touch, we have taste, we have smell, but I don\u0026#39;t see any movement at all. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e In the physical world, right exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, I don\u0026#39;t see it that. I think we want to keep. You know, we want to keep mainland, we want to keep those things mainland. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And I think that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s really. You know, if you think about the spirit of what we started, Welcome to Cloudlandia, for was really exploring that migration and thehabitation of the mainland and Cloudlandia. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Because so much of these things? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But I think, and I\u0026#39;m just wondering, Harry and I\u0026#39;m not, making a statement. I\u0026#39;m just wondering whether each human has a unique nervous system and we have different preferences on how our nervous system interacts with different kinds of experiences. I think it\u0026#39;s a very idiosyncratic world in the sense that everybody\u0026#39;s up to something different. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Mm-hmm. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I think you\u0026#39;re right. But that\u0026#39;s where these self-awareness things, like knowing you\u0026#39;re Colby and you\u0026#39;re a working genius and you\u0026#39;re Myers-Briggs and all these self-awareness things, are very valuable, and even more valuable when pairing for collaboration, realizing in a who-not-how world that there\u0026#39;s so many we\u0026#39;re connected to everybody, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and we\u0026#39;ve got our purposes for interacting. You know I mean we have. You know I\u0026#39;m pretty extroverted when it comes to business, but I\u0026#39;m very, very introverted when it comes to personal life. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think I\u0026#39;d be the same thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, and in other words, I really enjoy. We had, we were in Chicago and we had nine workshops in five days there and they were big workshops. They were you know each. We have a big, we have a big, huge room. Now we can technically we can put a hundred in. Now we can put a hundred person workshop. Oh, in Chicago, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e In Chicago yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We\u0026#39;ve taken over large amounts of the floor. I think there\u0026#39;s just one small area of that floor that we don\u0026#39;t have. It\u0026#39;s a. It\u0026#39;s a weird thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt looks like some sort of deep state government building. We\u0026#39;ve never seen anyone in it and we\u0026#39;ve never seen anyone in it. But it\u0026#39;s lit up and it\u0026#39;s got an American flag and it\u0026#39;s got some strange name that I don\u0026#39;t know, and that\u0026#39;s the only thing that\u0026#39;s on the forest. It\u0026#39;s not been known that a human actually came to the office there, anyway, but we\u0026#39;ve taken over 6,000 square feet, six more thousand. Oh wow, yeah, which is quite nice. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s pretty crazy. How\u0026#39;s the studio project? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e coming Jim\u0026#39;s starting, we had great, great difference of opinion on what the insurance is for it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOh, that\u0026#39;s a problem Insurance companies are not in the business of paying out claims. That\u0026#39;s not their business model, Anyway. So our team, two of our team members, Mitch and Alex great, great people. They got the evidence of the original designer of the studio. They got the evidence of the original owner of the studio and how much he paid. They got the specifications. They brought in a third person, Third person. They got all this. These people all had records and we brought it to the insurance company. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know and you know what it, what it was valued at, and I think it\u0026#39;s 2000, I think it was in 2000 that it was created. It was rated the number one post-production studio in Canada in the year 2000. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you know and everything. So they you know. And then, strangely enough, the insurance company said well, you got to get a public adjuster. We got a public adjuster and he had been in coach for 20 years. He favors us. Uh-huh, well, that\u0026#39;s great, he favors us. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e He favors us? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, Exactly yeah, but the first check is they give the checks out in the free. You know, there\u0026#39;s a first check, there\u0026#39;s a middle check and there\u0026#39;s a final check. So, but I think we\u0026#39;ll have complete studios by october, october, november that\u0026#39;s which will be great yeah, yeah, we should be great. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, you know, uh, the interesting thing. Here\u0026#39;s a thought for you, and I\u0026#39;m not sure it\u0026#39;s the topic for today. Um, uh, it has to do with how technology doesn\u0026#39;t develop wisdom, doesn\u0026#39;t develop. The use of technology doesn\u0026#39;t develop wisdom. It develops power, it develops control, it develops ambition, but it doesn\u0026#39;t develop wisdom. And I think the reason is because wisdom is only developed over time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, and that wisdom is yeah, I think from real experience. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And wisdom is about what\u0026#39;s always going to be true, and technology isn\u0026#39;t about what\u0026#39;s always going to be true. It\u0026#39;s about what\u0026#39;s next. It\u0026#39;s not about what\u0026#39;s always the same they\u0026#39;re actually opposed. Technology and wisdom are Well, they\u0026#39;re not opposed. They operate in different worlds. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it feels like wisdom is based on experience, right? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, which happens over time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Mm-hmm. Yeah, which happens over time. Yeah, yeah, because it\u0026#39;s not theoretical at that. I think it\u0026#39;s got to be experiential. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s very interesting. I heard a great quote. I don\u0026#39;t know who it was. It might be a philosopher by the name of William James and his definition of reality, you know what his definition of reality is no, I don\u0026#39;t, it\u0026#39;s a great definition. Reality is that which, if you don\u0026#39;t believe in it, still exists. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah, that\u0026#39;s exactly right, and that\u0026#39;s the kind of things that just because you don\u0026#39;t know it, you know that\u0026#39;s exactly right and that\u0026#39;s what you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s the kind of things that, just because you don\u0026#39;t know it, you know that doesn\u0026#39;t mean it doesn\u0026#39;t mean it can\u0026#39;t bite you, but when, when you get hit by it, then that then, you\u0026#39;ve big day, you know, and yeah, and you know, with Trump. He said he\u0026#39;s got 100 executive orders For day one. Yeah, and the only question is you know, inauguration, does day one start the moment he\u0026#39;s sworn in, is it? Does it start the moment he\u0026#39;s? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e sworn in. Is it? Does it start the day he\u0026#39;s sworn in? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, okay, so let\u0026#39;s see yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e The moment the Chief Justice. You know he finishes the oath. He finishes the oath, he\u0026#39;s the president and Joe\u0026#39;s officially on the beach. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right yeah, shady acres. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what\u0026#39;s happened this past week, since we actually we haven\u0026#39;t talked for two weeks but the fires in Los Angeles. I think this in political affairs and I think it is because it\u0026#39;s the first time that the newest 10,000 homeless people in Los Angeles are rich. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh man, yeah, I\u0026#39;ve heard Adam Carolla was talking about that. There\u0026#39;s going to be a red wave that comes over California now because all these, the Democratic elite, which would be all of those people who live on those oceanfront homes and all that they were so rallying. No, they were so rallying to be on the side of regulation so that people couldn\u0026#39;t build around them, and they made it so. You know, now that they\u0026#39;ve got theirs, they made it very, very difficult for other people to eclipse them or to do the things, eclipse them or to do the things, and they\u0026#39;re gonna run straight into the wall of All these regulations when they start to rebuild what they had. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know it\u0026#39;s gonna be years and years of going through regulation and Coastal Commission and you know all that to get approvals yeah, and they\u0026#39;re going to be frustrated with that whole thing, but I\u0026#39;ve been hearing that there was some arson involved. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSomebody\u0026#39;s been. Well, yeah, you know, have you ever seen or heard of Michael Schellenberger? He\u0026#39;s really, he\u0026#39;s great. He\u0026#39;s a scientist who\u0026#39;s gone public. You know, he\u0026#39;s sort of a public intellectual now, but he was, and he was very much on the left and very much with the global warming people, much with the global warming people. Then he began to realize so much of the global warming movement is really an attempt. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eExactly what you said about the California rich. These are rich people who don\u0026#39;t want the rest of the world to get rich. The way you keep them from not getting rich is you don\u0026#39;t give them access to energy. And you\u0026#39;ve got your energy and you can pay for more, but they don\u0026#39;t have energy. So you prevent them. And so he became a big fan of nuclear power. He said, you know, the best thing we can do so that people can catch up quickly is we should get nuclear in, because they may be a place where there really isn\u0026#39;t easy access to oil, gas and coal, africa being, you know, africa being a place and, uh, he just has gradually just gone deeper and deeper into actual reality and now he\u0026#39;s completely you know, he\u0026#39;s completely against the you know, against the people who want to get rid of fossil fuels. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But, anyway. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e he said what nobody wants to touch with a 10 foot pole in California is that in addition to rich people, there were homeless people in the Pacific Palisades and he said, and a lot of them are meth addicts. And he said meth addicts\u0026#39; favorite activity is to set fires. He says different drugs have different. In other words, you take heroin and you want to do this, you take cocaine. You want to do this With methamphetamines. What you want to do is you want to set fires. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo he said and nobody wants to talk about the homeless meth addicts who are starting fires that burn down 10,000 homes. You know, because they\u0026#39;re actually welcome in Los Angeles. They actually get government benefits. Yeah, there\u0026#39;s a lot of what they stand for that collides with reality. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e A lot of what they stand for that collides with reality. Yeah, it is going to be crazy. I think. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Gavin should forget it. I think Gavin should forget about the presidency. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh man, yeah, they\u0026#39;re going to have him. He\u0026#39;s going to have some explaining to do. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you do. Yeah, you know. Yeah, you know. It was very interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWhen I got out of the Army, which was 1967, may of 1967, I was in Korea and they put us on a big plane, they flew us to Seattle and they discharged us in Seattle. So, and but you had money to get home. You know, they gave you, you know, your discharge money. So I had a brother who was teaching at the University of San Francisco and and, and so I went down and I visited with him. He was a philosophy teacher, dead now, and so it was 1967. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd he said there\u0026#39;s this neat part of the city I want to take you to, and it was Haight-Ashbury. And it was right in the beginning of that movement, the hippie movement, and I had just been in the army for two years, so there was a collision of daily discipline there and anyway. But we were walking down the street and I said what\u0026#39;s that smell? Weird smell. He says, oh yeah, you want to try some marijuana. Well, what you saw with was what you saw last week with the fires is the philosophy of hippieism moved into government control over a period of 60 years. It ends up with fires where there\u0026#39;s no water in the reservoirs yeah, that\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean so many uh cascading, so many cascading problems. Right, that came yeah when you think about all the um, all the other things, it\u0026#39;s crazy. Yeah, yeah, all the factors that had to go into it, yeah, it\u0026#39;s so. This is what the Internet, you know, this, this whole thing now is so many, like all the conspiracy theories now about all of these. Every time, anything you know, there\u0026#39;s always the that they were artificially. You know there\u0026#39;s some scientists talking about how the barometric pressure has been artificially low for yeah period. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah well, yeah, it\u0026#39;s very, it\u0026#39;s very interesting how energy you know, just energy plays into every other discussion. You know, just to have the power to do what you want to do. That day is a central human issue and and who you do it with and what you have. You know what, what it is that you can do, and you know and I was having a conversation I was in Chicago for the week and there was a lot of lunch times where other clients not. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI had just the one workshop, but there were eight other workshops. So people would come into the cafe for lunch and they\u0026#39;d say, if you had to name three things that Trump\u0026#39;s going to emphasize over the next four years, what do you think they would be? And I said energy, energy, energy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Three things just energy. Drill drill drill, Drill, drill, drill. Yeah, and Greenland, Canada and Panama. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Take them over. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah exactly hey Canada we\u0026#39;re out of wood Get out. Yeah, things are strange up here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, what\u0026#39;s the what\u0026#39;s the Well, he\u0026#39;s gone. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But he\u0026#39;s still around for two months but he resigned. He\u0026#39;s resigned as prime minister, he\u0026#39;s resigning as party leader and I think it was on Wednesday he said he\u0026#39;s not running in the election, so he\u0026#39;s out as a. And then he\u0026#39;ll go to Harvard because that\u0026#39;s where all the liberal failures go. They become professors at Harvard I suspect, I suspect, yeah, or he may just go back to Whistler and he\u0026#39;ll be a snowboard instructor, wouldn\u0026#39;t that? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e be cool. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Or he may just go back to. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Whistler, and he\u0026#39;ll be a snowboard instructor. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;d be kind of cool, wouldn\u0026#39;t that be cool? Get the former prime minister as your snowboard instructor. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, really Exactly yeah, is there. I don\u0026#39;t even know, is he rich? Is their family? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e rich. Well, I think it\u0026#39;s a trust fund. I mean, his dad didn\u0026#39;t work. His dad was in politics Not as you and I would recognize work, but it was gas station. Trudeau had a lot of gas station, which is ironic. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It is kind of ironic, isn\u0026#39;t it yeah? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but I don\u0026#39;t think he has that much. You know, I saw some figures. Maybe he\u0026#39;s got a couple of million, which which you know, probably what was available, that you know those trust funds, they don\u0026#39;t perpetuate themselves, right, yeah, but he\u0026#39;s. Yeah, there\u0026#39;s just two people are running. That\u0026#39;s the woman who knifed him. You know Christia Freeland. She\u0026#39;s just two people running. That\u0026#39;s the woman who knifed him. You know, chrystia Freeland, she\u0026#39;s running. And then the former governor of the Bank of Canada and the former governor Bank of England. He was both governor and he\u0026#39;s really very much of a wackadoodle intellectual, really believes that people have too much freedom. We have to restrict freedom and we have to redesign. Davos is sort of a Davos world economic firm. We\u0026#39;ve got ours, you don\u0026#39;t get ours. We\u0026#39;ve got ours, you don\u0026#39;t get ours. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe\u0026#39;ve got ours, you don\u0026#39;t get yours. Strange man, very strange man. She\u0026#39;s a strange woman. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Is it pretty much green lights for Polyev right now? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, he\u0026#39;s not doing anything to ruin his chances either. He\u0026#39;s actually. He had a great interview with jordan peterson about two weeks ago. He was very, very impressive. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m very impressed about it yeah, yeah oh, that\u0026#39;s great, yeah, oh did you go to? This Christmas party, by the way. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I didn\u0026#39;t. They didn\u0026#39;t follow through, Uh-oh. So you know, I\u0026#39;m just going to sit in this chair and wait, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, he\u0026#39;ll be told, you know that you\u0026#39;ve missed a huge opportunity here. You know Mm-hmm. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, exactly, yeah, oh man, yeah, that\u0026#39;s funny, dan, I\u0026#39;m. You know, after four years of being no further, I didn\u0026#39;t go north of I-4, I\u0026#39;m in this crazy little vortex of travel right now coming up. I was just in Longboat Key. I was speaking at JJ Virgin\u0026#39;s Mindshare Summit, so I was there Wednesday till yesterday and then I\u0026#39;m home. I got hit with this cold. I think it was like a. You know, whenever you\u0026#39;re in a group of people in a big thing, it\u0026#39;s always it becomes a super spreader kind of event. You know, there\u0026#39;s a lot of people with this kind of event, there\u0026#39;s a lot of people with this kind of lung gunk thing going around. So I ended up getting it. But I\u0026#39;ve got now until Tuesday to get better. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThen I\u0026#39;m going to speak at Paris Lampropolis here in Orlando and then I go to Miami for Giovanni Marseco\u0026#39;s event the following week, and then I\u0026#39;ve got my Breakthrough Blueprint in Orlando the week after that and then Scottsdale for FreeZone the week after that. Every week, the number of nights in my own bed is we\u0026#39;re going to Scottsdale or not Scottsdale, but week after next. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ll be here next Sunday, Then I go on Tuesday. We go to Phoenix and we\u0026#39;ll be at Carefree. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e What\u0026#39;s Carefree? Oh, that\u0026#39;s where. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no, carefree is north and east of Scottsdale in Phoenix yeah. And so we\u0026#39;re at Richard Rossi\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Da. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Vinci 50. Then we take off for there, we drive to Tucson for Canyon Ranch, we drive back and we have the summit, we have the Free Zone Summit Then, then we have 100K, and then we have 100K. So that\u0026#39;s it. So are you coming to the summit too? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI am of course, and what I\u0026#39;m doing this time is I have three speakers in the morning and three speakers in the afternoon, and I have Stephen Poulter, Leslie Fall and Sonny Kalia, and then in the afternoon I have Charlie Epstein, Chris Johnson and Steve Crine. I have Charlie. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eEpstein, chris Johnson and Steve Crang. And what I did is I did a triple play on the three in the morning, three in the afternoon. I did a triple play and then I\u0026#39;m talking to each of them, the names of the three speakers, three columns, and then you write down what you got from these three columns, right? And then you get your three insights and then you talk in the morning in groups and then you do the same thing in the afternoon. I think that would be neat, nice. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Very nice. It\u0026#39;s always a good time, always a great event. Yeah, two parties. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yep, we have sort of a party every night with Richard. It\u0026#39;s about three parties Two parties with me and then probably two parties with Joe so seven parties, seven parties, seven parties, yeah, yeah Well. I hope your editor. Can, you know, modulate your voice delivery? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m so sorry, yeah, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you got it. What a couple days you\u0026#39;ve been with it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yesterday was like peak I can already feel that you know surrounded by doctors at JJ\u0026#39;s thing. So I got some. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Where\u0026#39;s? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Lawn. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Boat Tea. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Sarasota. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s just an island right off of Sarasota and so, you know, surrounded by doctors, and so I got some glutathione and vitamin C. I got some glutathione and vitamin C and some. Then I got home and JJ\u0026#39;s team had sent some bone broth and some you know, some echinacea tea and all the little care package for nipping it in the bud and a Z-Pak for I\u0026#39;ve got a great pancake power pancake recipe that I created. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I actually created this. You\u0026#39;re talking to an originator. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s a world premiere here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so you take about six ounces of egg white Egg white, okay and you put it in a blender, and then you take about a handful of walnuts. You put it in a blender and then you take about a handful of walnuts, you put it in and you take a full scoop of bone broth and put it in. Then you just take a little bit of oatmeal, just give it a little bit of starch, then a little bit of salt, then you veggie mix it, veggie mix it, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThen you put it in a pie pan, okay. And then you put frozen raspberries oh yeah, raspberries, bacon bits and onions. Raspberries and bacon bits Yep, yep, okay, yep, yep, bacon bits makes everything taste better. Yep, okay yeah, bacon bits makes everything taste better. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It really does. I don\u0026#39;t think about that with the raspberries, but that\u0026#39;s great. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I told people in the coach, you know the triple play. I said triple play is my bacon tool. I said whatever other, whatever other tool you did, you do the triple play and it\u0026#39;s like adding bacon to it. Adding bacon, that\u0026#39;s the best. Yeah, it makes it good. And then you just put it in the microwave for five and a half minutes and it comes out as a really nice pancake. Oh, that\u0026#39;s great. Yeah, and it\u0026#39;s protein. I call it my protein pie, protein pie. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s great. Dan Sullivan\u0026#39;s triple play protein pie. Yeah, yeah, the recipe recipe cards handed out. Will they show up in the breakfast buffet? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no, it\u0026#39;s, you know, I think it\u0026#39;s. I think it takes a developed taste, you know, to get it, you know, but it\u0026#39;s got a lot of protein. It\u0026#39;s got, you know, egg white in the protein. The bone broth has a ton of protein in it, yeah, so it\u0026#39;s good. Yeah, I\u0026#39;m down. Good, yeah, I\u0026#39;m at, probably since I was 20, maybe in the Army my present weight. I\u0026#39;m probably down there and I got about another 10 to go, and then it\u0026#39;s my linebacker weight when I was in high school. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, that\u0026#39;s great. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Going back to linebacker Mm-hmm. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you\u0026#39;ll have those new young teenage knees that you\u0026#39;ll be able to suit up One of them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e One of them anyway. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e If your Cleveland Browns need you. Yeah, if your. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Cleveland Browns need you. Yeah, well, if you want to play professional football, play for the Browns, because you always get January off. That\u0026#39;s funny. Yeah, kansas City yesterday, you know it was about zero. You know I mean boy, oh boy. You know you got to you know, I mean. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eDid Kansas City win yesterday? Yeah, they won, you know, 23, 23-14, something like that, you know. And you know they\u0026#39;re just smarter. You know, it\u0026#39;s not even that they\u0026#39;re better athletes. I think their coach is just smarter and everything like that. Jim, I watch. I\u0026#39;m more interested in college football than I am. Ohio State and Notre Dame, Two historically classical. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve really gotten into Colorado football because just watching what Deion Sanders has done in two seasons basically went from the last worst team in college football. Yeah To a good one to a good yeah To nine and three and a bowl game, and you know, and Travis Hunter won the Heisman and they could potentially have the number one and two draft picks in the NFL this year. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know that\u0026#39;s, that\u0026#39;s something. Did he get both? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e of them draft picks in the NFL. This year that\u0026#39;s something. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Did he get both of them? I know he got his son because his son came with him. Was he a transfer Hunter? I don\u0026#39;t know if he was a transfer. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e He brought him from Jackson State because before, before dion went to uh colorado, he spent three years in yeah at jackson state and turned that whole program around yeah and then came uh and now she was talking to the cowboys this this week I. I don\u0026#39;t know whether he is or that\u0026#39;s. Uh, I mean, they\u0026#39;re everybody\u0026#39;s speculating that. That\u0026#39;s true. I don\u0026#39;t know whether he is or that\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean everybody\u0026#39;s speculating that that\u0026#39;s true, I don\u0026#39;t know how I feel about that Like I think it would be interesting. You know I\u0026#39;m rooting that he stays at Colorado and builds an empire, you know, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Of course you know it used to screw the athletes because the coach, would you know, drop them. They would come to the university and then they would leave. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s what I mean, that\u0026#39;s what? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that he would no, but now they have the transfer portal, so you know if the university, yeah, but still I think it would leave a lot of. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it would leave a really bad taste in people\u0026#39;s mouths if he, if he left now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, Like. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think, that would. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I would. I wouldn\u0026#39;t feel good about what about that either, cause I think about all the people that he\u0026#39;s brought there with promises. You know, like everybody\u0026#39;s joint he\u0026#39;s, he\u0026#39;s building momentum. All these top recruits are coming there because of him, yeah, and now you know, if he leaves, that\u0026#39;s just. You know that. That\u0026#39;s too. I don\u0026#39;t know. I don\u0026#39;t feel good about that, I don\u0026#39;t feel good. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, I\u0026#39;ve got, I got a jump, I\u0026#39;ve got. Jeff. We\u0026#39;re deep into the writing of the book we have to chat for about 10 minutes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m happy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I hope your cold goes away. I\u0026#39;ll be here in Toronto next week and I\u0026#39;ll call and we\u0026#39;ll see each other. We\u0026#39;ll see each other within the next couple of weeks. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s exactly right Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, bye, talk to you soon. Bye. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, Dan and I explore technology and communication sparked by an unexpected conversation about cold snaps in Florida. We examine the evolution of communication technologies, from text to video, focusing on AI's emerging role. Our discussion highlights how innovations like television and the internet have paved the way for current technological developments, using the progression of airliners as a metaphorical framework for understanding technological advancement.\r\n\r\nOur conversation shifts to exploring human interaction and technological tools. We question whether platforms like Zoom have reached their full potential, emphasizing the importance of self-awareness and collaboration. \r\n\r\nWe then journey back to 1967, reflecting on historical and cultural movements that continue to shape our current societal landscape. This retrospective provides insights into how past experiences inform our present understanding of technology and social dynamics. Personal anecdotes and political observations help connect these historical threads to contemporary discussions.\r\n","date_published":"2025-02-26T08:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/60fb166e-a5ca-4c22-8d80-f685559eef23.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":49629266,"duration_in_seconds":3076}]},{"id":"f862df82-cfc4-4bc0-abf0-88d71d1f80cb","title":"Ep146: The Tides of Media and Innovation","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/146","content_text":"In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, We take you through the fascinating evolution of media and communication technologies. We begin by tracing the journey of written communication from ancient Sumerian pictographs to Gutenberg's printing press. The narrative explores how each technological breakthrough transformed our ability to share information, from industrial-era steam presses to the digital revolution sparked by the first email in 1971.\n\nOur conversation delves into the parallels between historical technological adaptations and current innovations. We examine the story of a 1950s typesetter transitioning to digital technologies, drawing insights into how professionals navigate significant technological shifts. The discussion introduces the concept of \"Casting, not Hiring,\" emphasizing the importance of finding meaningful experiences and team dynamics in a rapidly changing world.\n\nWe explore the transformation of media consumption and advertising in the digital age. Traditional media platforms give way to digital giants like Facebook and Google, reflecting broader changes in how we create, distribute, and consume content. The conversation touches on audience dynamics, using examples like Joe Rogan's media presence and Netflix's market evolution to illustrate these shifts.\n\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\n  In this episode, I explore the historical journey of media and communication, tracing its evolution from ancient scripts to modern digital technologies.\n  I discuss the pivotal role of Gutenberg's printing press in revolutionizing media distribution and how it set the stage for the widespread use of newspapers and books.\n  We delve into the transition from traditional typesetting to digital processes, drawing parallels between past innovations and current advancements in AI.\n  The conversation highlights the importance of curiosity and effective communication in embracing new technologies, emphasizing the idea of \"casting\" for meaningful experiences rather than traditional hiring.\n  We examine media consumption trends and the impact of big data on advertising, noting the shift from traditional platforms to digital giants like Facebook and Google.\n  Our discussion includes an analysis of the historical impact of communication technologies, referencing figures like Edison and their influence on modern entrepreneurship.\n  The episode concludes with a focus on the value of appreciation and growth, sharing insights on how recognizing value and excellence can lead to professional and personal breakthroughs.\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean: Mr Sullivan, and how are you? I am wonderful. Welcome to Cloudlandia, you are in the Chicago outpost. I am. \n\nDan: I'm sitting in a very comfortable spot, noise-free. I just had. Have you ever done any IV where they pump you? Up with good stuff. \n\nDean: I have yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, I just came from that, so I may be uncomfortably exuberant. \n\nDean: Uncomfortably exuberant. That's a great word there, right there. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, uncomfortable to you. \n\nDean: That's the best. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah. So anyway, we have a good service. \n\nDean: The only thing I miss about Chicago comfortable to you, that's the best, yeah, so anyway, we have a good service. The only thing I miss about Chicago. Dan is our Sunday dinners. Oh the Sunday roundtable. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's a bit more informal now so we don't have a big gap. It's not like the Last Supper. \n\nDean: Right, exactly. \n\nDan: We have Mike Canix coming over and Stephen Paltrow. \n\nDean: Okay, there you go. \n\nDan: They'll be on straight carnivore tonight. \n\nDean: Okay, good, I like everything about that. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's a little bit of snow on the ground and snowing right now, but it's nice. \n\nDean: Oh, that's awesome. Well it's winter here. It's like cool. Yeah, I almost had to wear pants yesterday, dan, it was that cold. \n\nDan: I had to wear pants yesterday, Dan. \n\nDean: It was that cold I had to wear my full-weight hoodie. But yeah, but it's sunny, it's nice. \n\nDan: I was just in the hot tub before we got on the call the Chinese intelligence, who are listening to this phone call. They're trying to visualize what you just said. \n\nDean: Yes, Well, I had a great conversation with Charlotte this morning and something happened. That is the first time I've done it. I literally I talked her ear off. I reached my daily limit of talk interaction. We were talking for about an hour. There's a limit. Yes, I pay $20 a month and I guess there's a limit of how long you can engage by advanced voice tech. \n\nDan: I'd give her a raise. I'd give her a raise. \n\nDean: So they were on her behalf demanding a raise. I'd give her a raise. So they were on her behalf demanding a raise from $20 a month to $200 a month, and I could talk to her all I want. I still think it's worth it. It really is. When you think about if we go through the personification again, if you think about what you're getting for 200 I mean, just the conversation I had with her this morning was worth more than 200, yeah, so you want to know what we were talking about. What were you talking? \n\nabout well, I am such a big fan of this, the big change uh book that I got for you. \n\nThat was oh yeah, by stuff like that. So I really have been thinking that the whole game has really been an evolution of our, of words, pictures, sound and the combination of words, pictures and sounds in videos, right, and if we take the big three the words and pictures and sound, that I, you know, we went all the way back to the very beginning and I told her I said, listen, what I'd love to do is I want to trace the evolution of each of these individually. I want to start from the beginning of how we let's just take text, you know, as an example for words, and so she's taking me all the way back to the ancient Sumerians and the invention of kind of the very first kind of visual depiction of words and language, and then all the way up to the hieroglyphics of Egyptians and then into what would now be what we know as the alphabet, with the Romans and Latin, Romans and Latin, and the way that they were distributed was through tablets and they would post posters and things to get things out there. And so I'll pause there and I'll tell you that the lens that I wanted to look at it through for her is to go back and find, just trace, the beginnings of the capability of it, right, the capability of text. So that meant we had to have language and we had to have the alphabet, and we had to have the tools, the mechanism to recreate these on tablets. \n\nAnd then the distribution of them. How were they distributed? The consumption of them, how were they received and popularized? And then how were they capitalized? Who turned business opportunities into? What did this new capability turn into business-wise? So, looking, those four, tracking those four things all the way through history, from the ancient Sumerians, all the way through, and so when we got to, you know, from the time the Romans created the thing, the first kind of commercialization was the scribe industry. \n\nThat became a thing where people were employed as scribes to you know, to write things, things, and then it came into the monks. \n\nWe haven't gone deep dive in these yet, we're kind of going through the surface level of them. But the scribes, you know, were the first kind of commercializing and distribution of the of the things. And then when Gutenberg came along, that sort of popularized and made it even more able to distribute things and on the back of that became newspapers and pamphlets and books. So those were the three primary things for hundreds of years. Until the 1800s we had steam presses which were large, just kind of mechanized, sped up Gutenberg presses, and then the roller presses which allowed to have long, continuous streams of printing, which that really led to the modern newspaper. You know we had almost a hundred years until things were digitized where the entire platform was built on that plateau of things. \n\nAnd then it turned into newspapers magazines were the dominant things and mail. Those were the big distribution elements for a hundred years and then, once it got digitized, we turned into email. \n\nThe first email apparently was sent in 1971 or something, but it took 25 years for that to popularize to the level that everybody had email and it was the primary thing and that led to PDFs and eBooks and distribution on the internet. We talked about bloggers because, if you remember, in the early days of the internet the heroes were bloggers. Those were the sort of personalities pre-social media you know. And then she even used the words that once it became democratized with social media, that things like twitter and and you know those were big things. But she talked about Arianna Huffington and Perez Hilton and Matt Drudge as the kind of first real mainstream capitalizers of this digital kind of went full steam into only digital, when all the mainstream print media was still kind of holding on and and resisting the migration of free news coming through you know um, and then we get to the point now where all of that is completely available. \n\nYou know medium and sub stack and you know email newsletters taking off as a thing, and then AI bringing into a situation where now the machines can create and distribute the content. And it's funny just that level. I was on a Zoom with Joe Stolte the other day and you know, with even your newsletter, the AI-assisted newsletter you think about those as things, that learning smart, personalized text, media consumption as a really enhanced experience. \n\nSo I found that really that was the first conversation that I'd had with that kind of context. I'm visualizing, I want to like visualize a timeline of these benchmarks. You know along the way, and realize how long the spaces were between when things actually catalyzed, you know yeah, long in comparison to what? \n\nDan: long in comparison to the last. \n\nDean: You know where we are now that long in comparison to what? Long in comparison to the last. You know where we are now. That long in comparison to that. There was no ability to print words on paper until 1442 or 1555 or whatever. I think it's 1550. \n\nDan: Yeah, so 1455. \n\nDean: Somewhere around there. Somewhere around there, yeah that literally did not change for 400 years till now. You know, in the last 25 years we've gotten to where we can distribute it globally instantly to everybody, and that we've also got machines now that can actually create the content itself and distribute on on your behalf and so I think that's our ability to create that stuff. Like I, I wonder how long and how many hours of research power it would have taken to get this level of what I gained from my conversation with Charlotte. \n\nDan: Well, you would have gotten a doctorate, you would have gotten a PhD. \n\nDean: Yeah, and it would have taken years to study all of that and to go back and find it all you know, but it was very, I found it very all to serve this idea that I think, in all of those digitized four corners, that we have reached a, a pinnacle, where we're faced now going forward with a plateau that really it's going to be about the creative use of. No, I think that's things. \n\nDan: Yeah, I think that's true. Yeah, just a little addition to charl's work the conversation that you had with Charlotte. One of the reasons why the Greeks have such influence Greek thinking on the world, you know they essentially created history. That was. \n\nDean: You know that was. \n\nDan: Thucydides. And you know, herodotus and Thucydides were two Greek historians and basically their histories basically really formed the whole ancient world. And then you had poetry. Homer was the great poet and. \n\nPlato and Aristotle and many others, many other Greek philosophers, but Greece was the first country that developed a really first-class. The Greeks developed a first-class alphabet. I think it may have pretty close to we have 26 letters. I'm not quite sure what they had, but it wasn't. I don't know if it was fewer or more, but maybe only by two or three letters they had, but it was really the alphabet. That is the breakthrough. \n\nFor example, we have two artists that work for us. They're from Hong Kong and growing up they learned all the. They learned all the ideograms that are in Chinese you know, and you know, and it's years and years and years of study where the alphabet you know. A reasonably intelligent first grader, or maybe even earlier these days, but a six-year-old, can basically grasp the alphabet and be using that skillfully, you know, within their first year of grade school, within first grade and that's what the alphabet did and that's why, you know, the literacy really came in. \n\nBut even then, when you know in Gutenberg today there weren't that many literate people, you know who could actually? Read, you know. So it wasn't so much the technology Well, the technology was crucial, but it wasn't so much why things. It's just that it took 400 years for the entire population to become literate. You know, and you know to have formal education to empower literacy. \n\nThat took a long time because people were working manually and they didn't have need for reading. They had to become good at things. Fixated now for about the last eight months on british navy historical novel assault taking place around 1800 to 1800. You know, and you know the majority of sailors on the ships didn't read they, they didn't have right reading, you know but, they were very skillful. They knew the wind, they knew the waves, they yeah, you know, they had phenomenal teamwork and they were very skillful. \n\nThey knew the wind, they knew the waves, they had phenomenal teamwork and they were very handy. They had a lot of hand skills and everything else, but it's been only recently that your progress in the world really depended upon reading. \n\nDean: Literacy yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, you had to go forward. I remember that's one story. Just the Greeks. The Greeks that became very powerful, their philosophy still. I mean, every day in universities, or probably universities, there's discussions about what Plato said about this, what Aristotle said about this. So that's still. You know, the power of that over generations is really quite extraordinary. The other thing, if I want to add to that, my sister, who's 89, the man she married, who died about 10 years ago. When I met him, this was in the 1950s, he was a typesetter for a major newspaper in the. \n\nCleveland area and I would go down there and you'd see he put together a whole page of it and you know, and he had to do it backwards, he had to put all the letters. He had this vast, you know, he had these, they were like wooden shelves that had, you know, were divided into, you know, into 28 different, 26 different spots, and he would just pick up the letters and put them. But he made the complete changeover, starting around the 1970s, 1975. He made a complete changeover to becoming digital. It started becoming digital even in the 1970s. \n\nAnd then he just kept progressing, layer after layer, until he was the production manager for the entire network of about five you know five municipal newspapers and everything like that yeah so his history sort of matches what you and charlotte talked about. \n\nDean: Yeah, and I found that really an interesting like multi-track way to look at it, as the technology and then the capability that created for the creation of things, the distribution of those things and the capitalizing on those things, because that's kind of like the cascading layers that happen. And I think if we look at where we are with AI right now, we're at that level where it was available below the surface until two years ago and then now it's sort of widely available as a capability. But all the things that are going to really come, I wouldn't say it's widely available used right now. I heard somebody talk about that. If we think about, like, if ultimately AI is just going to be internet, you know it's like if we think about what internet was in 1996, that's becoming. It's almost like chat. Gpt is the AOL of of what made the internet popular, right as everybody got on. \n\nAOL and had access to email and kind of gated browsing. \n\nDan: Yeah, the interesting thing that you know if I just take your example from this morning, it's because you're a good prompter that whole thing happened. The whole essential skill. You know, if you take all the technology, that's a technology, charlotte's technology, and that's there, it's waiting there. It's waiting there to be used. But unless you have a good prompter it won't produce what you produced this morning. \n\nDean: I agree with you 100, and that's why it's all in the prompt prompting. \n\nDan: That means knowing what you want. It's actually a visualization skill because, you visualize something you know like in, not exactly because you, how you did it is unique, but my sense is that you had a question in mind, or you were just curious about something, and then you were able to put it into words. This was strictly spoken, was it? Yeah, uh-huh, yeah, so you didn't type anything in for this. \n\nDean: No, I did not. \n\nDan: Because it's strictly on an audible level, right, exactly, yeah. Anything in for this? No, I did not. Strictly on an audible level, right, exactly yeah. But here's the thing that no one else in the world did what you did this morning, and the reason is because you were just interested in it you were just interested in something and you know, and it was in conversation form, so now tell me about this. Now tell me about this yeah well, what she? \n\nDean: was saying was guiding my things. You know what? It's very similar, dan. It's like if we were to sit down at a piano and look at the piano. There's 88 keys of possibility there. Yeah, unless you know how to prompt the keys to make the noises. \n\nDan: Do you know what I mean? It's just noise. \n\nDean: I think that's really what it is, and I think that chat interactions or AI interactions are going to be the piano lessons of today. Right Like for kids to talk about essential skills. \n\nDan: And the outcome is going to be the music and the outcome is going to be the music. \n\nDean: That's right. That's right, yeah. \n\nDan: I've done about. You know, with perplexity, probably last week I've done about 25, you know where I one. That was really interesting because it was related to the book that I'm writing Casting, not Hiring with Jeff and I was saying, you know, the big thing is that we're only talking, the book is only for a particular type of person, you know. \n\nBecause, you know he has a wide range of people that he's giving them our small copy of Casting, not Hiring you know, our 60-page book and then he's interviewing them if they're willing to read it, which takes about an hour. If they're willing to read it, then he wants to know what they think about it. You know, but there's, like corporate people that he's talking to, there's academic people that he's talking to, and I said, you know, jeff, academic people that he's talking to. And I said, you know, jeff, there's only one reader for this. That's a successful, talented, ambitious entrepreneur who wants to grow. Who wants to grow, wants to make the growth experience really meaningful and purposeful for himself or herself, but also for the team members, for the members of the company that the entrepreneur owns. \n\nAnd so he said, yeah, well you know how big is that market and I said, well, let's. So I did a search and I had my question. I just looked at it just before I came on the call. I said I want you to, of all the companies incorporated in the United States, the total number of incorporated companies in the United States in 2023, because usually their number. You know that you go back about a year before the present year that you're just sending, because there's an enormous amount of data for that. \n\nDean: And. \n\nDan: I said what percentage of all the incorporated companies in the United States are privately owned? And it turns out it's 99% and 33 million, 33 million incorporated companies. And and then I put in another prompt okay, size of companies 1 to 10, 10 to 50, 50 to 150, 150 to 500, above 500, and 74 percent of them are 74 percent or one to ten. And then, and I said we're really talking basically about companies up to about 150 that's the reader. \n\nThey have companies that are 150 and everything like that, and it's really interesting that this is the only person they said but there's this huge market of other. You know, jeff didn't say this, but other people said there's. So this should be a book for everybody. And I said, if it's a book for everybody, it's not interesting to anybody that's true, exactly. \n\nDean: Well, that's so. Those numbers have kind of um grown, because I've always heard about you know know, 28 million, but I guess the most recent that would make sense 33 million. \n\nDan: And it would be bigger today because we're you know, we're a full year and into the first month, so it would be bigger. The incorporations go on. And the other thing about what you're saying is you can be so specific, Like you can really put down all the interesting things about the reader you know, about the reader that you're looking for and you know so, while the capability that you're talking and I have some arguments with democratize you know the concept of democratize because there's a certain sense people are going to have equal capabilities. \n\nI think just the opposite is going to happen. The range from people with a little ability or no ability to extraordinary capability actually gets bigger and wider to extraordinary capability actually gets bigger and wider. And the reason is exactly what I just said to you that you're the only one in the world who's ever gotten that information laid out and has it back in a very short period of time. And it's strictly because what Dean Jackson was looking for. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's exactly right. I was very curious about it. \n\nAnd I think that it's something. I think it's a unique perspective, especially when we overlay the other things. We only got we were talking about then sound. We only got we were talking about then sound. And it wasn't until the 1800s late 1800s that Edison created the phonograph, that we were able to capture sound and the evolution of that. Then it took another by 25 years later. It was the beginning of radio. That now we have the ability to capture sound, the ability to distribute sound through the radio, that it ushered in this golden era of radio as the distribution medium. And she talked about NBC and CBS and ABC, you know, as the monopolistic NBC was really the big giant. \n\nDan: Yeah, they were the giant. \n\nDean: I mean, they were the powerhouse of radio 1995 was the, or 1925, I think was when they were founded, and then the others were by 1927. Yeah, but that took off the radios in every household and all of that, you know, laid the. That created the mass audience yeah really right, yeah, there was. \n\nDan: Uh. Really, there's a writer named tim wu wu and he's just. He's written about five books on just the extraordinary impact of the communication technologies, starting when you said sort of you know. First the telegraph and the telegraph with sound. That's really the telephones you have. Bell is in there. So, Morris and Bell and Edison. You have the combination. And then Edison also created the movie. I mean, he was the real. I mean, he's the person who created it that became famous for it yes. \n\nThere were lots of people. He's famous for the light bulb, he's the person who became famous for the light bulb, but there were at least five or six working light bulbs before Edison. It's just that Edison was the first what I would call the modern entrepreneur, technology entrepreneur, and he really grasped where all this stuff was going, more than any other single innovator entrepreneur, and he understood the stock market and he understood how to raise funds and he understood how to market. \n\nDean: You know, yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: So you know I'm getting a lot of patents, so we got two more on Friday, so we're up to 54 patents now. And I was talking in the breakout group on Friday, I said we're really piling up the patents, and so somebody said well, how many are you going for? And I said I can tell you exactly I'm going for 1,068. Tell you exactly, I'm going for 1,068. Uh-huh, 1,068. I mean, where's that number come from? I said Edison had 1,067. \n\nDean: Oh, there you go. \n\nDan: That's the best, and I grew up two miles from his birthplace. So the farm that I grew up two miles away is where Edison was born, milan, ohio, and very famous, I mean he's just a roaring, big, major human being, historic human being in that area, and he's one of my five historic role models. I've got Euclid, I've got Shakespeare, I've got Bach, I've got Hamilton, james Madison and Edison. And I said Edison put all the pieces together that created the modern technological world. \n\nDean: It's true, isn't it? Yeah? \n\nDan: He's the first person to create a formal R\u0026amp;D lab. He had in Menlo, new Jersey. He created his famous lab and he had technicians and scientists and engineers there. And then you know, and then he understood the stock market and he understood you know big systems, how you put big electric systems together and everything like that, you know. The thing is that that's a history of entrepreneurism, the thing that you put together with Charlotte this morning. \n\nDean: Yeah, that was my intention, Because it's always some individual who just decides to do something more with it. \n\nDan: They kind of apply your VCR formula to something that already exists and they say what's the vision? Well, you have to have the vision, but you have to see where it hasn't gone to yet. I mean, that's basically what you have to. Vision is seeing where things have not yet gone to, but could, if you organize them differently? You take the capabilities and combined it with reach, then you. That's what the future really is. Vcr. \n\nDean: Yeah, you know I've had a nice VCR advancement, chad, and I have been talking a lot about it. Chad Jenkins, chad Jenkins, I've been talking about the VCR formula and so I had some distinctions around vision, like what is vision? And I realized there's a progression that it takes like from an idea or a prediction. Is the first level that you got a vision that, hey, I think this could work, and then the next level of it is that you've got proof that idea does work and that opens the gate for you to create a protocol for predictable repeating of that result and that opens the gateway to a patent, to protection of that. \n\nDan: So you predict, you prove you protocol or package and protect the 4P progression. I thought, know you know what. You know what it is. It's the ability to see, yeah, let's say, a reasonable time frame, not 100 years from now, but let's say 10 years from now. Yeah, that, if this were available, a lot of people would like to have this. \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: That's basically what a vision is. That's what a vision is. If it was available to them and it was easy to use. They don't have to change their habits too much to use it 10 years from now and I think a lot of people not only would they love using it, they'd be willing to pay for it. \n\nDean: Of course, yes, I agree, yeah, and so I thought that was very, that was a nice, I mean every drug dealer in the world knows how to do that. \n\nDan: Yeah, I mean, you think about everything started out with an idea. I bet, if we did this, that would be oh, yeah, yeah, I bet, prove it. I bet, yeah, you know, steve jobs with itunes. \n\nHe said yeah I got interested in music. But when I go into a store, you know, uh, and, and I hear a song I really like, or I hear a musician I really like, and I hear them singing a song, or her I, you know, I'd like to be able to just get that song, but they make it really difficult. You got to buy 11 other songs, or 10 other songs to get the one song you know and you know, and, and I'd like to have it. You know, I'd like to have it on a small machine. I don't want to. You know, I don't want to have a big record that comes home and then I have to have a lot of equipment and everything to put on it. And you know, and you know, I'd like to, I'd like to think of. You know, I'd like to have a technology. \n\nDean: Yeah, I'd like to think of. \n\nDan: You know, I'd like to have a technology Getting a call from yeah, I'd like to have a technology that, the moment I hear the sun, five minutes later I can have it. You know, Mm-hmm. Yes, I mean it's so I think it's imagine, there's a capability multiplied by imagination. You know that's kind of like what vision is. \n\nDean: But you know, the interesting thing is that was true 25 years ago when Steve invented the iPod and the iTunes environment, but then over the next 25 years's taken another evolution. Right, it was still the ownership. Instead of owning the physical thing, you own the digital version of it and you download it onto your device. But now, when it got to the cloud and all the songs are available and you don't need to download them, it's like spotify said listen, we own all the songs, we got access to all of them. Why don't you just pay us nine dollars a month and you can have all the songs and just stream them? Yeah, and, and that's where we're at now, it's like. But I think that the next level, the thing we're at now with ai, is that ai is actually, specifically, that it's reached the generative ai point where it it can actually create songs. That's what's happening now. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's clearly a productive capability that you're exploring here we're having a conversation about. When did you have this conversation with Charlotte? Just this morning, when I woke up this morning, Okay, this entire conversation that we're having would not have happened unless um no, you did what you did for an hour this morning right, that's exactly right, yeah now let me ask you a question here, and it goes to another technological realm and it's big data. \n\nIt's big data, and so I keep reading about big data. You know big data, and I said and it's accumulating all the data. Okay, and so you have all the data. Okay, and so you have all the data. I remember having a conversation this was probably 10 years ago and the Chinese were developing what was called an intelligence capability, where they could gather information about what all the people in China were doing at any given moment. Okay, and then they could make predictions based on that. Nice, if wait a minute, so you got one point, you got 1.3 billion. \n\nDean: You know however many Chinese there are they're being listened to, you know, and however many Chinese there are. \n\nDan: They're being listened to, you know, and they're. Whatever they're doing, that's being read. And I said how many Chinese do you have to pay attention to what all the other Chinese are doing? I said they must have about 6 million people who, day in, day out, are just listening and they're accumulating massive amounts of data. Okay, and then I say, then what happens? \n\nDean: then what? \n\nDan: yeah, then what? Okay? Okay, uh, and I said so, what do you do with all this data? You know, I said it's overwhelming the amount of data you have. So what's happening with it and what it tells me is that there's no way for you to really comprehend what all that data means. \n\nDean: Yeah, I agree. I mean there's no, but you can argue that's kind of what Facebook does with the algorithm right In a way, of being able to predict what you're likely to click on next. \n\nDan: That's how they're at it, Well that I understand, but that's on the level, that's a commercial level, because really they're selling ads. I mean what Google and Facebook actually are high-level advertising platforms. \n\nDean: Yes, that's exactly what they are. I mean, that's what they are. \n\nDan: Yeah, I mean, and once you've said that, there isn't much else to say. \n\nDean: Once you've said that, it's over. \n\nDan: Well it is what it is and it's a bias, obviously, because it's just, you know it's, if they're spending money, not ads for Google and spending ads for Facebook, they aren't spending money for ads in the New York Times, or yeah. So all the newspaper advertising has gone away and all the magazine advertising has gone away, and probably all the advertising on television, because the number of people watching television is actually going down, you know. Well the actual, I mean if you're following social media or you're you know, you're on the, you're on your computer and you're looking at things. \n\nWell, your attention can only be on one thing at a time and if I'm spending you know I used to spend I would say when I stopped in 2018, I stopped watching television together, but I calculated that it was probably I was probably watching anywhere between 15 and 20 hours a week times 52. Okay, so that's. You know that's 800 to a thousand hours and I'm not doing that anymore, so for I got a thousand hours back. He's. \n\nI would say 800. I just evened it off at 800. I'd say I've just got 800 hours back. It's just gone into being more productive. I'm incredibly more productive in creating stuff. I have you as a witness. You know that it's going up in numbers. The amount of stuff that I'm creating. \n\nit's going up in numbers the amount of stuff that I'm creating. So you know, here's the thing. I don't think I'm unusual in this. I don't think I'm unique on the planet in doing what this is. I just think people are moving their attention away from something where everybody was paying attention to it and now fewer and fewer people are paying attention to it. It's like Joe Rogan, you know, I mean. \n\nDean: Joe Rogan. \n\nDan: The people are watching Joe Rogan. Who did they stop watching or listening and watching to? So that's the big thing. Where are people? \n\nDean: going with their attention. Yeah, and you know I just heard a podcast talking about that. Streaming, you know, like from television. It's gone away from kind of linear television where you know they show one thing on one channel at one time and you have to be there at 8 pm to watch that one show. \n\nWatch that one show and you watch it along with ads, right? If you want to watch this happening now, you watch it and you consume the ads. Well, when streaming became available, you know, if you look at that convenience, that it was so much more dignified that we can watch whatever we want to watch when we want to watch it, and there's a price for that. Everybody has migrated towards the, towards that, and now the interesting thing is that the streamers are Wall Street redefined. How they value the, you know, monetize or attribute value to what they have. \n\nBecause for a long time, netflix was rewarded for the ever-growing number of subscribers. Right, like getting more and more subscribers. It didn't matter to Wall Street that they were profitable or unprofitable. The only thing that they staked the value in was the growing number of subscribers, the growing number of subscribers, so for. So netflix would spend billions and billions of dollars on attracting creative right that would. That would get people to watch the. You know, come to netflix to see, because they only had original programs you could only get on Netflix and they overpaid for all of that content. So now. \n\nWall Street a few years ago decided that hey, wait a minute. These guys should be like any other business. \n\nDan: They should be profitable and so it always comes down to that, doesn't it it really? \n\nDean: does so they said you know, now Netflix has to cut corners, pinch pennies. They have to make things. They can't afford to spend as much to make the content. If you look at the line items of where they were spending the most amount of money, it's acquiring yeah, content to do uh so that's where the peak era of who's the guy? \n\nDan: who's the guy who runs Netflix? \n\nDean: Sarandon Tom. \n\nDan: Sarandon. \n\nDean: I think, but in any event they. \n\nDan: No, I was just wondering if he's one of the people who gave $50 million to Kamala Harris. \n\nDean: Oh, yeah, probably. \n\nDan: Yeah, I said he obviously doesn't know anything about returning or getting a profit All right, exactly. \n\nDean: So the other, the thing that we're finding. \n\nDan: What's Reid Hoffman? He's LinkedIn. \n\nDean: Yeah, I think so, yeah, yeah, linkedin. Yeah yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: But those people are all not giving a million dollars to Trump for his inauguration. \n\nDean: The thing that streamers have landed on now is that they have free models you can watch, but now they have ad supported things where you can watch anything you want, but they insert ads that are unskippable ads and they're finding that is more profitable than the subscriber the subscription revenue. \n\nThat on a per user kind of thing. They make more money on people watching and viewing the unskippable ads. So it's kind of funny that everything has come full circle back to basic cable, where you are. They're all bundling now so you can get because people were resisting that you had to buy netflix and you had to buy hbo and paramount and hulu and all these things, nbc and cbs and all of it so now they're bundling them together for one subscription and having ad supported views. So the big winner out of all of it is that we've won the right to, and have demanded the right to, watch whatever we want to watch, whenever we want to watch it. We're not going to sit on, you know. We're not going to wait until 9pm to watch this and wait a week to get the next episode. We want all the episodes available right now and we'll choose when and what we watch and for how long we watch it. If I want to watch the whole series in one weekend, that's up to me yeah, you know it's an interesting thing. \n\nDan: Uh, here and this relates to the whole story you told the whole historical story, going back to the sumerians. But one of the things I really notice is that the moment a new capability appears and you can utilize it, it's no longer wondrous. You've just included that in your existing capability, I can now do this. You've just included that in your existing capability. I can now do this. It's really interesting the moment you get a capability that just goes into the stack of capabilities that you already have. \n\nSo it's not really a breakthrough because it doesn't feel any more unusual than all the capabilities you had. So today this is kind of a you know you were. You started the podcast here saying I just did something that I've never done before with Charlotte you know, and then people said who's this Charlotte that Dean talks about? Well, dean actually created this capability called Charlotte. He actually did that, but now it's just normal. Now, what else can Charlotte do? \n\nDean: I'm going to do this. \n\nDan: But a week from now you may have done this four or five times or four or five more things. These sort of deep searches, that you did, and now it just becomes part of Dean Jackson's talent and capability stack. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, in the of the VCR formula, the sea of capability, that all this capability starts out with one person who has taken it's almost like Always starts with one person. Yeah, and it's a curiosity. \n\nDan: It's a curiosity thing You're alert to. You know, in our four by four casting tool, the first quadrant is called performance, how you show up. And I've got four qualities. One you're alert. Second thing is that you're curious. Number three is that you're responsive. And number four you're resourceful. And I would say you just knocked off all four this morning with this search, this conversation with Charlotte. \n\nYou just knocked off all four. That's the reason why you're doing it. So the key to the future in profiting, but utilizing and benefiting from this technology is you have? To be alert, you have to be curious, you have to be, you have to be responsive and you have to be resourceful. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's great. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, we're living, and then you get to do and then you get to do things faster, easier, cheaper and bigger yes, this is great, dan. \n\nDean: We're really living in the best of times we're just talking, dean yeah, we're already in it, but it's endless. \n\nDan: We're into an area of just extraordinary, idiosyncratic creativity. \n\nDean: This is it that now we have. Everyone has access to every capability that you could. \n\nDan: No, they only have access to the capability that they're looking for. Oh, boy yes. No, they don't have access to every capability. They just have access to the next capability they're looking for. \n\nDean: Right, this is mind-blowing. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is great, but it is similar. This was better than the IV. \n\nDean: Your exuberance is showing. \n\nDan: Or maybe before you have an hour conversation with Dean, you get an IV. \n\nDean: Yeah, exactly, you have an hour conversation with dean, you get an iv. Yeah, exactly, did you imagine it's a triple play of an iv yeah, with a conversation with charlotte, followed by a conversation with dan sullivan. \n\nDan: I will try the iv next week yeah, and then eat a great piece of steak. And then eat a great piece of steak that's right Followed by a Rib eye is great. I think rib eye is my favorite. \n\nDean: Yeah, me too by far yeah. \n\nDan: Well. I love it yeah, this is great conversation. \n\nDean: I agree, Dan this is Things are heating up. I'm going to upgrade Charlotte and give her a raise 10X, a 10 times raise. \n\nDan: Tell her about that. You know talk to her and say you know, not only do I think you're more valuable, but Catchy TP thinks you're more valuable, Charlotte, and we're raising your monthly to 200. \n\nDean: That's right. A 10 times raise. \n\nDan: Yeah, who gets that? Mm-hmm? Okay, and you think about it. \n\nDean: It's just so valuable. All right, dan, thanks, bye, bye. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, We take you through the fascinating evolution of media and communication technologies. We begin by tracing the journey of written communication from ancient Sumerian pictographs to Gutenberg\u0026#39;s printing press. The narrative explores how each technological breakthrough transformed our ability to share information, from industrial-era steam presses to the digital revolution sparked by the first email in 1971.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOur conversation delves into the parallels between historical technological adaptations and current innovations. We examine the story of a 1950s typesetter transitioning to digital technologies, drawing insights into how professionals navigate significant technological shifts. The discussion introduces the concept of \u0026quot;Casting, not Hiring,\u0026quot; emphasizing the importance of finding meaningful experiences and team dynamics in a rapidly changing world.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe explore the transformation of media consumption and advertising in the digital age. Traditional media platforms give way to digital giants like Facebook and Google, reflecting broader changes in how we create, distribute, and consume content. The conversation touches on audience dynamics, using examples like Joe Rogan\u0026#39;s media presence and Netflix\u0026#39;s market evolution to illustrate these shifts.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cul style=\"list-style-type: circle;\"\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eIn this episode, I explore the historical journey of media and communication, tracing its evolution from ancient scripts to modern digital technologies.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eI discuss the pivotal role of Gutenberg\u0026#39;s printing press in revolutionizing media distribution and how it set the stage for the widespread use of newspapers and books.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe delve into the transition from traditional typesetting to digital processes, drawing parallels between past innovations and current advancements in AI.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eThe conversation highlights the importance of curiosity and effective communication in embracing new technologies, emphasizing the idea of \u0026quot;casting\u0026quot; for meaningful experiences rather than traditional hiring.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe examine media consumption trends and the impact of big data on advertising, noting the shift from traditional platforms to digital giants like Facebook and Google.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eOur discussion includes an analysis of the historical impact of communication technologies, referencing figures like Edison and their influence on modern entrepreneurship.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eThe episode concludes with a focus on the value of appreciation and growth, sharing insights on how recognizing value and excellence can lead to professional and personal breakthroughs.\u003c/li\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Sullivan, and how are you? I am wonderful. Welcome to Cloudlandia, you are in the Chicago outpost. I am. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m sitting in a very comfortable spot, noise-free. I just had. Have you ever done any IV where they pump you? Up with good stuff. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I have yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I just came from that, so I may be uncomfortably exuberant. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Uncomfortably exuberant. That\u0026#39;s a great word there, right there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, uncomfortable to you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s the best. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. So anyway, we have a good service. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e The only thing I miss about Chicago comfortable to you, that\u0026#39;s the best, yeah, so anyway, we have a good service. The only thing I miss about Chicago. Dan is our Sunday dinners. Oh the Sunday roundtable. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s a bit more informal now so we don\u0026#39;t have a big gap. It\u0026#39;s not like the Last Supper. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We have Mike Canix coming over and Stephen Paltrow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, there you go. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They\u0026#39;ll be on straight carnivore tonight. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, good, I like everything about that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s a little bit of snow on the ground and snowing right now, but it\u0026#39;s nice. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, that\u0026#39;s awesome. Well it\u0026#39;s winter here. It\u0026#39;s like cool. Yeah, I almost had to wear pants yesterday, dan, it was that cold. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I had to wear pants yesterday, Dan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It was that cold I had to wear my full-weight hoodie. But yeah, but it\u0026#39;s sunny, it\u0026#39;s nice. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I was just in the hot tub before we got on the call the Chinese intelligence, who are listening to this phone call. They\u0026#39;re trying to visualize what you just said. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, Well, I had a great conversation with Charlotte this morning and something happened. That is the first time I\u0026#39;ve done it. I literally I talked her ear off. I reached my daily limit of talk interaction. We were talking for about an hour. There\u0026#39;s a limit. Yes, I pay $20 a month and I guess there\u0026#39;s a limit of how long you can engage by advanced voice tech. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;d give her a raise. I\u0026#39;d give her a raise. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So they were on her behalf demanding a raise. I\u0026#39;d give her a raise. So they were on her behalf demanding a raise from $20 a month to $200 a month, and I could talk to her all I want. I still think it\u0026#39;s worth it. It really is. When you think about if we go through the personification again, if you think about what you\u0026#39;re getting for 200 I mean, just the conversation I had with her this morning was worth more than 200, yeah, so you want to know what we were talking about. What were you talking? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eabout well, I am such a big fan of this, the big change uh book that I got for you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat was oh yeah, by stuff like that. So I really have been thinking that the whole game has really been an evolution of our, of words, pictures, sound and the combination of words, pictures and sounds in videos, right, and if we take the big three the words and pictures and sound, that I, you know, we went all the way back to the very beginning and I told her I said, listen, what I\u0026#39;d love to do is I want to trace the evolution of each of these individually. I want to start from the beginning of how we let\u0026#39;s just take text, you know, as an example for words, and so she\u0026#39;s taking me all the way back to the ancient Sumerians and the invention of kind of the very first kind of visual depiction of words and language, and then all the way up to the hieroglyphics of Egyptians and then into what would now be what we know as the alphabet, with the Romans and Latin, Romans and Latin, and the way that they were distributed was through tablets and they would post posters and things to get things out there. And so I\u0026#39;ll pause there and I\u0026#39;ll tell you that the lens that I wanted to look at it through for her is to go back and find, just trace, the beginnings of the capability of it, right, the capability of text. So that meant we had to have language and we had to have the alphabet, and we had to have the tools, the mechanism to recreate these on tablets. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then the distribution of them. How were they distributed? The consumption of them, how were they received and popularized? And then how were they capitalized? Who turned business opportunities into? What did this new capability turn into business-wise? So, looking, those four, tracking those four things all the way through history, from the ancient Sumerians, all the way through, and so when we got to, you know, from the time the Romans created the thing, the first kind of commercialization was the scribe industry. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat became a thing where people were employed as scribes to you know, to write things, things, and then it came into the monks. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe haven\u0026#39;t gone deep dive in these yet, we\u0026#39;re kind of going through the surface level of them. But the scribes, you know, were the first kind of commercializing and distribution of the of the things. And then when Gutenberg came along, that sort of popularized and made it even more able to distribute things and on the back of that became newspapers and pamphlets and books. So those were the three primary things for hundreds of years. Until the 1800s we had steam presses which were large, just kind of mechanized, sped up Gutenberg presses, and then the roller presses which allowed to have long, continuous streams of printing, which that really led to the modern newspaper. You know we had almost a hundred years until things were digitized where the entire platform was built on that plateau of things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then it turned into newspapers magazines were the dominant things and mail. Those were the big distribution elements for a hundred years and then, once it got digitized, we turned into email. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe first email apparently was sent in 1971 or something, but it took 25 years for that to popularize to the level that everybody had email and it was the primary thing and that led to PDFs and eBooks and distribution on the internet. We talked about bloggers because, if you remember, in the early days of the internet the heroes were bloggers. Those were the sort of personalities pre-social media you know. And then she even used the words that once it became democratized with social media, that things like twitter and and you know those were big things. But she talked about Arianna Huffington and Perez Hilton and Matt Drudge as the kind of first real mainstream capitalizers of this digital kind of went full steam into only digital, when all the mainstream print media was still kind of holding on and and resisting the migration of free news coming through you know um, and then we get to the point now where all of that is completely available. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know medium and sub stack and you know email newsletters taking off as a thing, and then AI bringing into a situation where now the machines can create and distribute the content. And it\u0026#39;s funny just that level. I was on a Zoom with Joe Stolte the other day and you know, with even your newsletter, the AI-assisted newsletter you think about those as things, that learning smart, personalized text, media consumption as a really enhanced experience. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo I found that really that was the first conversation that I\u0026#39;d had with that kind of context. I\u0026#39;m visualizing, I want to like visualize a timeline of these benchmarks. You know along the way, and realize how long the spaces were between when things actually catalyzed, you know yeah, long in comparison to what? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e long in comparison to the last. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know where we are now that long in comparison to what? Long in comparison to the last. You know where we are now. That long in comparison to that. There was no ability to print words on paper until 1442 or 1555 or whatever. I think it\u0026#39;s 1550. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so 1455. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Somewhere around there. Somewhere around there, yeah that literally did not change for 400 years till now. You know, in the last 25 years we\u0026#39;ve gotten to where we can distribute it globally instantly to everybody, and that we\u0026#39;ve also got machines now that can actually create the content itself and distribute on on your behalf and so I think that\u0026#39;s our ability to create that stuff. Like I, I wonder how long and how many hours of research power it would have taken to get this level of what I gained from my conversation with Charlotte. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you would have gotten a doctorate, you would have gotten a PhD. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and it would have taken years to study all of that and to go back and find it all you know, but it was very, I found it very all to serve this idea that I think, in all of those digitized four corners, that we have reached a, a pinnacle, where we\u0026#39;re faced now going forward with a plateau that really it\u0026#39;s going to be about the creative use of. No, I think that\u0026#39;s things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think that\u0026#39;s true. Yeah, just a little addition to charl\u0026#39;s work the conversation that you had with Charlotte. One of the reasons why the Greeks have such influence Greek thinking on the world, you know they essentially created history. That was. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know that was. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Thucydides. And you know, herodotus and Thucydides were two Greek historians and basically their histories basically really formed the whole ancient world. And then you had poetry. Homer was the great poet and. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ePlato and Aristotle and many others, many other Greek philosophers, but Greece was the first country that developed a really first-class. The Greeks developed a first-class alphabet. I think it may have pretty close to we have 26 letters. I\u0026#39;m not quite sure what they had, but it wasn\u0026#39;t. I don\u0026#39;t know if it was fewer or more, but maybe only by two or three letters they had, but it was really the alphabet. That is the breakthrough. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eFor example, we have two artists that work for us. They\u0026#39;re from Hong Kong and growing up they learned all the. They learned all the ideograms that are in Chinese you know, and you know, and it\u0026#39;s years and years and years of study where the alphabet you know. A reasonably intelligent first grader, or maybe even earlier these days, but a six-year-old, can basically grasp the alphabet and be using that skillfully, you know, within their first year of grade school, within first grade and that\u0026#39;s what the alphabet did and that\u0026#39;s why, you know, the literacy really came in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut even then, when you know in Gutenberg today there weren\u0026#39;t that many literate people, you know who could actually? Read, you know. So it wasn\u0026#39;t so much the technology Well, the technology was crucial, but it wasn\u0026#39;t so much why things. It\u0026#39;s just that it took 400 years for the entire population to become literate. You know, and you know to have formal education to empower literacy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat took a long time because people were working manually and they didn\u0026#39;t have need for reading. They had to become good at things. Fixated now for about the last eight months on british navy historical novel assault taking place around 1800 to 1800. You know, and you know the majority of sailors on the ships didn\u0026#39;t read they, they didn\u0026#39;t have right reading, you know but, they were very skillful. They knew the wind, they knew the waves, they yeah, you know, they had phenomenal teamwork and they were very skillful. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey knew the wind, they knew the waves, they had phenomenal teamwork and they were very handy. They had a lot of hand skills and everything else, but it\u0026#39;s been only recently that your progress in the world really depended upon reading. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Literacy yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you had to go forward. I remember that\u0026#39;s one story. Just the Greeks. The Greeks that became very powerful, their philosophy still. I mean, every day in universities, or probably universities, there\u0026#39;s discussions about what Plato said about this, what Aristotle said about this. So that\u0026#39;s still. You know, the power of that over generations is really quite extraordinary. The other thing, if I want to add to that, my sister, who\u0026#39;s 89, the man she married, who died about 10 years ago. When I met him, this was in the 1950s, he was a typesetter for a major newspaper in the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eCleveland area and I would go down there and you\u0026#39;d see he put together a whole page of it and you know, and he had to do it backwards, he had to put all the letters. He had this vast, you know, he had these, they were like wooden shelves that had, you know, were divided into, you know, into 28 different, 26 different spots, and he would just pick up the letters and put them. But he made the complete changeover, starting around the 1970s, 1975. He made a complete changeover to becoming digital. It started becoming digital even in the 1970s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then he just kept progressing, layer after layer, until he was the production manager for the entire network of about five you know five municipal newspapers and everything like that yeah so his history sort of matches what you and charlotte talked about. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and I found that really an interesting like multi-track way to look at it, as the technology and then the capability that created for the creation of things, the distribution of those things and the capitalizing on those things, because that\u0026#39;s kind of like the cascading layers that happen. And I think if we look at where we are with AI right now, we\u0026#39;re at that level where it was available below the surface until two years ago and then now it\u0026#39;s sort of widely available as a capability. But all the things that are going to really come, I wouldn\u0026#39;t say it\u0026#39;s widely available used right now. I heard somebody talk about that. If we think about, like, if ultimately AI is just going to be internet, you know it\u0026#39;s like if we think about what internet was in 1996, that\u0026#39;s becoming. It\u0026#39;s almost like chat. Gpt is the AOL of of what made the internet popular, right as everybody got on. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAOL and had access to email and kind of gated browsing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, the interesting thing that you know if I just take your example from this morning, it\u0026#39;s because you\u0026#39;re a good prompter that whole thing happened. The whole essential skill. You know, if you take all the technology, that\u0026#39;s a technology, charlotte\u0026#39;s technology, and that\u0026#39;s there, it\u0026#39;s waiting there. It\u0026#39;s waiting there to be used. But unless you have a good prompter it won\u0026#39;t produce what you produced this morning. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I agree with you 100, and that\u0026#39;s why it\u0026#39;s all in the prompt prompting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That means knowing what you want. It\u0026#39;s actually a visualization skill because, you visualize something you know like in, not exactly because you, how you did it is unique, but my sense is that you had a question in mind, or you were just curious about something, and then you were able to put it into words. This was strictly spoken, was it? Yeah, uh-huh, yeah, so you didn\u0026#39;t type anything in for this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I did not. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Because it\u0026#39;s strictly on an audible level, right, exactly, yeah. Anything in for this? No, I did not. Strictly on an audible level, right, exactly yeah. But here\u0026#39;s the thing that no one else in the world did what you did this morning, and the reason is because you were just interested in it you were just interested in something and you know, and it was in conversation form, so now tell me about this. Now tell me about this yeah well, what she? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e was saying was guiding my things. You know what? It\u0026#39;s very similar, dan. It\u0026#39;s like if we were to sit down at a piano and look at the piano. There\u0026#39;s 88 keys of possibility there. Yeah, unless you know how to prompt the keys to make the noises. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you know what I mean? It\u0026#39;s just noise. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that\u0026#39;s really what it is, and I think that chat interactions or AI interactions are going to be the piano lessons of today. Right Like for kids to talk about essential skills. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And the outcome is going to be the music and the outcome is going to be the music. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s right. That\u0026#39;s right, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve done about. You know, with perplexity, probably last week I\u0026#39;ve done about 25, you know where I one. That was really interesting because it was related to the book that I\u0026#39;m writing Casting, not Hiring with Jeff and I was saying, you know, the big thing is that we\u0026#39;re only talking, the book is only for a particular type of person, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBecause, you know he has a wide range of people that he\u0026#39;s giving them our small copy of Casting, not Hiring you know, our 60-page book and then he\u0026#39;s interviewing them if they\u0026#39;re willing to read it, which takes about an hour. If they\u0026#39;re willing to read it, then he wants to know what they think about it. You know, but there\u0026#39;s, like corporate people that he\u0026#39;s talking to, there\u0026#39;s academic people that he\u0026#39;s talking to, and I said, you know, jeff, academic people that he\u0026#39;s talking to. And I said, you know, jeff, there\u0026#39;s only one reader for this. That\u0026#39;s a successful, talented, ambitious entrepreneur who wants to grow. Who wants to grow, wants to make the growth experience really meaningful and purposeful for himself or herself, but also for the team members, for the members of the company that the entrepreneur owns. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd so he said, yeah, well you know how big is that market and I said, well, let\u0026#39;s. So I did a search and I had my question. I just looked at it just before I came on the call. I said I want you to, of all the companies incorporated in the United States, the total number of incorporated companies in the United States in 2023, because usually their number. You know that you go back about a year before the present year that you\u0026#39;re just sending, because there\u0026#39;s an enormous amount of data for that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I said what percentage of all the incorporated companies in the United States are privately owned? And it turns out it\u0026#39;s 99% and 33 million, 33 million incorporated companies. And and then I put in another prompt okay, size of companies 1 to 10, 10 to 50, 50 to 150, 150 to 500, above 500, and 74 percent of them are 74 percent or one to ten. And then, and I said we\u0026#39;re really talking basically about companies up to about 150 that\u0026#39;s the reader. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey have companies that are 150 and everything like that, and it\u0026#39;s really interesting that this is the only person they said but there\u0026#39;s this huge market of other. You know, jeff didn\u0026#39;t say this, but other people said there\u0026#39;s. So this should be a book for everybody. And I said, if it\u0026#39;s a book for everybody, it\u0026#39;s not interesting to anybody that\u0026#39;s true, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that\u0026#39;s so. Those numbers have kind of um grown, because I\u0026#39;ve always heard about you know know, 28 million, but I guess the most recent that would make sense 33 million. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And it would be bigger today because we\u0026#39;re you know, we\u0026#39;re a full year and into the first month, so it would be bigger. The incorporations go on. And the other thing about what you\u0026#39;re saying is you can be so specific, Like you can really put down all the interesting things about the reader you know, about the reader that you\u0026#39;re looking for and you know so, while the capability that you\u0026#39;re talking and I have some arguments with democratize you know the concept of democratize because there\u0026#39;s a certain sense people are going to have equal capabilities. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI think just the opposite is going to happen. The range from people with a little ability or no ability to extraordinary capability actually gets bigger and wider to extraordinary capability actually gets bigger and wider. And the reason is exactly what I just said to you that you\u0026#39;re the only one in the world who\u0026#39;s ever gotten that information laid out and has it back in a very short period of time. And it\u0026#39;s strictly because what Dean Jackson was looking for. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s exactly right. I was very curious about it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I think that it\u0026#39;s something. I think it\u0026#39;s a unique perspective, especially when we overlay the other things. We only got we were talking about then sound. We only got we were talking about then sound. And it wasn\u0026#39;t until the 1800s late 1800s that Edison created the phonograph, that we were able to capture sound and the evolution of that. Then it took another by 25 years later. It was the beginning of radio. That now we have the ability to capture sound, the ability to distribute sound through the radio, that it ushered in this golden era of radio as the distribution medium. And she talked about NBC and CBS and ABC, you know, as the monopolistic NBC was really the big giant. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, they were the giant. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, they were the powerhouse of radio 1995 was the, or 1925, I think was when they were founded, and then the others were by 1927. Yeah, but that took off the radios in every household and all of that, you know, laid the. That created the mass audience yeah really right, yeah, there was. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh. Really, there\u0026#39;s a writer named tim wu wu and he\u0026#39;s just. He\u0026#39;s written about five books on just the extraordinary impact of the communication technologies, starting when you said sort of you know. First the telegraph and the telegraph with sound. That\u0026#39;s really the telephones you have. Bell is in there. So, Morris and Bell and Edison. You have the combination. And then Edison also created the movie. I mean, he was the real. I mean, he\u0026#39;s the person who created it that became famous for it yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere were lots of people. He\u0026#39;s famous for the light bulb, he\u0026#39;s the person who became famous for the light bulb, but there were at least five or six working light bulbs before Edison. It\u0026#39;s just that Edison was the first what I would call the modern entrepreneur, technology entrepreneur, and he really grasped where all this stuff was going, more than any other single innovator entrepreneur, and he understood the stock market and he understood how to raise funds and he understood how to market. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So you know I\u0026#39;m getting a lot of patents, so we got two more on Friday, so we\u0026#39;re up to 54 patents now. And I was talking in the breakout group on Friday, I said we\u0026#39;re really piling up the patents, and so somebody said well, how many are you going for? And I said I can tell you exactly I\u0026#39;m going for 1,068. Tell you exactly, I\u0026#39;m going for 1,068. Uh-huh, 1,068. I mean, where\u0026#39;s that number come from? I said Edison had 1,067. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, there you go. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s the best, and I grew up two miles from his birthplace. So the farm that I grew up two miles away is where Edison was born, milan, ohio, and very famous, I mean he\u0026#39;s just a roaring, big, major human being, historic human being in that area, and he\u0026#39;s one of my five historic role models. I\u0026#39;ve got Euclid, I\u0026#39;ve got Shakespeare, I\u0026#39;ve got Bach, I\u0026#39;ve got Hamilton, james Madison and Edison. And I said Edison put all the pieces together that created the modern technological world. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s true, isn\u0026#39;t it? Yeah? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e He\u0026#39;s the first person to create a formal R\u0026amp;D lab. He had in Menlo, new Jersey. He created his famous lab and he had technicians and scientists and engineers there. And then you know, and then he understood the stock market and he understood you know big systems, how you put big electric systems together and everything like that, you know. The thing is that that\u0026#39;s a history of entrepreneurism, the thing that you put together with Charlotte this morning. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that was my intention, Because it\u0026#39;s always some individual who just decides to do something more with it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They kind of apply your VCR formula to something that already exists and they say what\u0026#39;s the vision? Well, you have to have the vision, but you have to see where it hasn\u0026#39;t gone to yet. I mean, that\u0026#39;s basically what you have to. Vision is seeing where things have not yet gone to, but could, if you organize them differently? You take the capabilities and combined it with reach, then you. That\u0026#39;s what the future really is. Vcr. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you know I\u0026#39;ve had a nice VCR advancement, chad, and I have been talking a lot about it. Chad Jenkins, chad Jenkins, I\u0026#39;ve been talking about the VCR formula and so I had some distinctions around vision, like what is vision? And I realized there\u0026#39;s a progression that it takes like from an idea or a prediction. Is the first level that you got a vision that, hey, I think this could work, and then the next level of it is that you\u0026#39;ve got proof that idea does work and that opens the gate for you to create a protocol for predictable repeating of that result and that opens the gateway to a patent, to protection of that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So you predict, you prove you protocol or package and protect the 4P progression. I thought, know you know what. You know what it is. It\u0026#39;s the ability to see, yeah, let\u0026#39;s say, a reasonable time frame, not 100 years from now, but let\u0026#39;s say 10 years from now. Yeah, that, if this were available, a lot of people would like to have this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s basically what a vision is. That\u0026#39;s what a vision is. If it was available to them and it was easy to use. They don\u0026#39;t have to change their habits too much to use it 10 years from now and I think a lot of people not only would they love using it, they\u0026#39;d be willing to pay for it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Of course, yes, I agree, yeah, and so I thought that was very, that was a nice, I mean every drug dealer in the world knows how to do that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean, you think about everything started out with an idea. I bet, if we did this, that would be oh, yeah, yeah, I bet, prove it. I bet, yeah, you know, steve jobs with itunes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHe said yeah I got interested in music. But when I go into a store, you know, uh, and, and I hear a song I really like, or I hear a musician I really like, and I hear them singing a song, or her I, you know, I\u0026#39;d like to be able to just get that song, but they make it really difficult. You got to buy 11 other songs, or 10 other songs to get the one song you know and you know, and, and I\u0026#39;d like to have it. You know, I\u0026#39;d like to have it on a small machine. I don\u0026#39;t want to. You know, I don\u0026#39;t want to have a big record that comes home and then I have to have a lot of equipment and everything to put on it. And you know, and you know, I\u0026#39;d like to, I\u0026#39;d like to think of. You know, I\u0026#39;d like to have a technology. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I\u0026#39;d like to think of. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, I\u0026#39;d like to have a technology Getting a call from yeah, I\u0026#39;d like to have a technology that, the moment I hear the sun, five minutes later I can have it. You know, Mm-hmm. Yes, I mean it\u0026#39;s so I think it\u0026#39;s imagine, there\u0026#39;s a capability multiplied by imagination. You know that\u0026#39;s kind of like what vision is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But you know, the interesting thing is that was true 25 years ago when Steve invented the iPod and the iTunes environment, but then over the next 25 years\u0026#39;s taken another evolution. Right, it was still the ownership. Instead of owning the physical thing, you own the digital version of it and you download it onto your device. But now, when it got to the cloud and all the songs are available and you don\u0026#39;t need to download them, it\u0026#39;s like spotify said listen, we own all the songs, we got access to all of them. Why don\u0026#39;t you just pay us nine dollars a month and you can have all the songs and just stream them? Yeah, and, and that\u0026#39;s where we\u0026#39;re at now, it\u0026#39;s like. But I think that the next level, the thing we\u0026#39;re at now with ai, is that ai is actually, specifically, that it\u0026#39;s reached the generative ai point where it it can actually create songs. That\u0026#39;s what\u0026#39;s happening now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s clearly a productive capability that you\u0026#39;re exploring here we\u0026#39;re having a conversation about. When did you have this conversation with Charlotte? Just this morning, when I woke up this morning, Okay, this entire conversation that we\u0026#39;re having would not have happened unless um no, you did what you did for an hour this morning right, that\u0026#39;s exactly right, yeah now let me ask you a question here, and it goes to another technological realm and it\u0026#39;s big data. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s big data, and so I keep reading about big data. You know big data, and I said and it\u0026#39;s accumulating all the data. Okay, and so you have all the data. Okay, and so you have all the data. I remember having a conversation this was probably 10 years ago and the Chinese were developing what was called an intelligence capability, where they could gather information about what all the people in China were doing at any given moment. Okay, and then they could make predictions based on that. Nice, if wait a minute, so you got one point, you got 1.3 billion. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know however many Chinese there are they\u0026#39;re being listened to, you know, and however many Chinese there are. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They\u0026#39;re being listened to, you know, and they\u0026#39;re. Whatever they\u0026#39;re doing, that\u0026#39;s being read. And I said how many Chinese do you have to pay attention to what all the other Chinese are doing? I said they must have about 6 million people who, day in, day out, are just listening and they\u0026#39;re accumulating massive amounts of data. Okay, and then I say, then what happens? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e then what? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e yeah, then what? Okay? Okay, uh, and I said so, what do you do with all this data? You know, I said it\u0026#39;s overwhelming the amount of data you have. So what\u0026#39;s happening with it and what it tells me is that there\u0026#39;s no way for you to really comprehend what all that data means. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I agree. I mean there\u0026#39;s no, but you can argue that\u0026#39;s kind of what Facebook does with the algorithm right In a way, of being able to predict what you\u0026#39;re likely to click on next. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s how they\u0026#39;re at it, Well that I understand, but that\u0026#39;s on the level, that\u0026#39;s a commercial level, because really they\u0026#39;re selling ads. I mean what Google and Facebook actually are high-level advertising platforms. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, that\u0026#39;s exactly what they are. I mean, that\u0026#39;s what they are. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean, and once you\u0026#39;ve said that, there isn\u0026#39;t much else to say. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Once you\u0026#39;ve said that, it\u0026#39;s over. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well it is what it is and it\u0026#39;s a bias, obviously, because it\u0026#39;s just, you know it\u0026#39;s, if they\u0026#39;re spending money, not ads for Google and spending ads for Facebook, they aren\u0026#39;t spending money for ads in the New York Times, or yeah. So all the newspaper advertising has gone away and all the magazine advertising has gone away, and probably all the advertising on television, because the number of people watching television is actually going down, you know. Well the actual, I mean if you\u0026#39;re following social media or you\u0026#39;re you know, you\u0026#39;re on the, you\u0026#39;re on your computer and you\u0026#39;re looking at things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWell, your attention can only be on one thing at a time and if I\u0026#39;m spending you know I used to spend I would say when I stopped in 2018, I stopped watching television together, but I calculated that it was probably I was probably watching anywhere between 15 and 20 hours a week times 52. Okay, so that\u0026#39;s. You know that\u0026#39;s 800 to a thousand hours and I\u0026#39;m not doing that anymore, so for I got a thousand hours back. He\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI would say 800. I just evened it off at 800. I\u0026#39;d say I\u0026#39;ve just got 800 hours back. It\u0026#39;s just gone into being more productive. I\u0026#39;m incredibly more productive in creating stuff. I have you as a witness. You know that it\u0026#39;s going up in numbers. The amount of stuff that I\u0026#39;m creating. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eit\u0026#39;s going up in numbers the amount of stuff that I\u0026#39;m creating. So you know, here\u0026#39;s the thing. I don\u0026#39;t think I\u0026#39;m unusual in this. I don\u0026#39;t think I\u0026#39;m unique on the planet in doing what this is. I just think people are moving their attention away from something where everybody was paying attention to it and now fewer and fewer people are paying attention to it. It\u0026#39;s like Joe Rogan, you know, I mean. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Joe Rogan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The people are watching Joe Rogan. Who did they stop watching or listening and watching to? So that\u0026#39;s the big thing. Where are people? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e going with their attention. Yeah, and you know I just heard a podcast talking about that. Streaming, you know, like from television. It\u0026#39;s gone away from kind of linear television where you know they show one thing on one channel at one time and you have to be there at 8 pm to watch that one show. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWatch that one show and you watch it along with ads, right? If you want to watch this happening now, you watch it and you consume the ads. Well, when streaming became available, you know, if you look at that convenience, that it was so much more dignified that we can watch whatever we want to watch when we want to watch it, and there\u0026#39;s a price for that. Everybody has migrated towards the, towards that, and now the interesting thing is that the streamers are Wall Street redefined. How they value the, you know, monetize or attribute value to what they have. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBecause for a long time, netflix was rewarded for the ever-growing number of subscribers. Right, like getting more and more subscribers. It didn\u0026#39;t matter to Wall Street that they were profitable or unprofitable. The only thing that they staked the value in was the growing number of subscribers, the growing number of subscribers, so for. So netflix would spend billions and billions of dollars on attracting creative right that would. That would get people to watch the. You know, come to netflix to see, because they only had original programs you could only get on Netflix and they overpaid for all of that content. So now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWall Street a few years ago decided that hey, wait a minute. These guys should be like any other business. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They should be profitable and so it always comes down to that, doesn\u0026#39;t it it really? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e does so they said you know, now Netflix has to cut corners, pinch pennies. They have to make things. They can\u0026#39;t afford to spend as much to make the content. If you look at the line items of where they were spending the most amount of money, it\u0026#39;s acquiring yeah, content to do uh so that\u0026#39;s where the peak era of who\u0026#39;s the guy? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e who\u0026#39;s the guy who runs Netflix? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Sarandon Tom. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Sarandon. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think, but in any event they. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I was just wondering if he\u0026#39;s one of the people who gave $50 million to Kamala Harris. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yeah, probably. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I said he obviously doesn\u0026#39;t know anything about returning or getting a profit All right, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So the other, the thing that we\u0026#39;re finding. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e What\u0026#39;s Reid Hoffman? He\u0026#39;s LinkedIn. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think so, yeah, yeah, linkedin. Yeah yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But those people are all not giving a million dollars to Trump for his inauguration. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e The thing that streamers have landed on now is that they have free models you can watch, but now they have ad supported things where you can watch anything you want, but they insert ads that are unskippable ads and they\u0026#39;re finding that is more profitable than the subscriber the subscription revenue. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat on a per user kind of thing. They make more money on people watching and viewing the unskippable ads. So it\u0026#39;s kind of funny that everything has come full circle back to basic cable, where you are. They\u0026#39;re all bundling now so you can get because people were resisting that you had to buy netflix and you had to buy hbo and paramount and hulu and all these things, nbc and cbs and all of it so now they\u0026#39;re bundling them together for one subscription and having ad supported views. So the big winner out of all of it is that we\u0026#39;ve won the right to, and have demanded the right to, watch whatever we want to watch, whenever we want to watch it. We\u0026#39;re not going to sit on, you know. We\u0026#39;re not going to wait until 9pm to watch this and wait a week to get the next episode. We want all the episodes available right now and we\u0026#39;ll choose when and what we watch and for how long we watch it. If I want to watch the whole series in one weekend, that\u0026#39;s up to me yeah, you know it\u0026#39;s an interesting thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh, here and this relates to the whole story you told the whole historical story, going back to the sumerians. But one of the things I really notice is that the moment a new capability appears and you can utilize it, it\u0026#39;s no longer wondrous. You\u0026#39;ve just included that in your existing capability, I can now do this. You\u0026#39;ve just included that in your existing capability. I can now do this. It\u0026#39;s really interesting the moment you get a capability that just goes into the stack of capabilities that you already have. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo it\u0026#39;s not really a breakthrough because it doesn\u0026#39;t feel any more unusual than all the capabilities you had. So today this is kind of a you know you were. You started the podcast here saying I just did something that I\u0026#39;ve never done before with Charlotte you know, and then people said who\u0026#39;s this Charlotte that Dean talks about? Well, dean actually created this capability called Charlotte. He actually did that, but now it\u0026#39;s just normal. Now, what else can Charlotte do? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m going to do this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But a week from now you may have done this four or five times or four or five more things. These sort of deep searches, that you did, and now it just becomes part of Dean Jackson\u0026#39;s talent and capability stack. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, in the of the VCR formula, the sea of capability, that all this capability starts out with one person who has taken it\u0026#39;s almost like Always starts with one person. Yeah, and it\u0026#39;s a curiosity. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s a curiosity thing You\u0026#39;re alert to. You know, in our four by four casting tool, the first quadrant is called performance, how you show up. And I\u0026#39;ve got four qualities. One you\u0026#39;re alert. Second thing is that you\u0026#39;re curious. Number three is that you\u0026#39;re responsive. And number four you\u0026#39;re resourceful. And I would say you just knocked off all four this morning with this search, this conversation with Charlotte. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou just knocked off all four. That\u0026#39;s the reason why you\u0026#39;re doing it. So the key to the future in profiting, but utilizing and benefiting from this technology is you have? To be alert, you have to be curious, you have to be, you have to be responsive and you have to be resourceful. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s great. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, we\u0026#39;re living, and then you get to do and then you get to do things faster, easier, cheaper and bigger yes, this is great, dan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We\u0026#39;re really living in the best of times we\u0026#39;re just talking, dean yeah, we\u0026#39;re already in it, but it\u0026#39;s endless. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We\u0026#39;re into an area of just extraordinary, idiosyncratic creativity. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e This is it that now we have. Everyone has access to every capability that you could. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, they only have access to the capability that they\u0026#39;re looking for. Oh, boy yes. No, they don\u0026#39;t have access to every capability. They just have access to the next capability they\u0026#39;re looking for. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, this is mind-blowing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is great, but it is similar. This was better than the IV. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Your exuberance is showing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Or maybe before you have an hour conversation with Dean, you get an IV. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, exactly, you have an hour conversation with dean, you get an iv. Yeah, exactly, did you imagine it\u0026#39;s a triple play of an iv yeah, with a conversation with charlotte, followed by a conversation with dan sullivan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I will try the iv next week yeah, and then eat a great piece of steak. And then eat a great piece of steak that\u0026#39;s right Followed by a Rib eye is great. I think rib eye is my favorite. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, me too by far yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well. I love it yeah, this is great conversation. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I agree, Dan this is Things are heating up. I\u0026#39;m going to upgrade Charlotte and give her a raise 10X, a 10 times raise. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Tell her about that. You know talk to her and say you know, not only do I think you\u0026#39;re more valuable, but Catchy TP thinks you\u0026#39;re more valuable, Charlotte, and we\u0026#39;re raising your monthly to 200. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s right. A 10 times raise. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, who gets that? Mm-hmm? Okay, and you think about it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s just so valuable. All right, dan, thanks, bye, bye. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, We take you through the fascinating evolution of media and communication technologies. We begin by tracing the journey of written communication from ancient Sumerian pictographs to Gutenberg's printing press. The narrative explores how each technological breakthrough transformed our ability to share information, from industrial-era steam presses to the digital revolution sparked by the first email in 1971.\r\n\r\nOur conversation delves into the parallels between historical technological adaptations and current innovations. We examine the story of a 1950s typesetter transitioning to digital technologies, drawing insights into how professionals navigate significant technological shifts. The discussion introduces the concept of \"Casting, not Hiring,\" emphasizing the importance of finding meaningful experiences and team dynamics in a rapidly changing world.\r\n\r\nWe explore the transformation of media consumption and advertising in the digital age. Traditional media platforms give way to digital giants like Facebook and Google, reflecting broader changes in how we create, distribute, and consume content. The conversation touches on audience dynamics, using examples like Joe Rogan's media presence and Netflix's market evolution to illustrate these shifts.","date_published":"2025-02-19T09:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/f862df82-cfc4-4bc0-abf0-88d71d1f80cb.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":53259226,"duration_in_seconds":3303}]},{"id":"0c21956f-2714-48dc-aca2-748971204d48","title":"Ep149: Finding Balance in a High-Tech World  ","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/149","content_text":"In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, Dan shares his journey from recovering in snowy Toronto to basking in the Arizona sunshine at Canyon Ranch. While battling a cold and back spasm in Canada, He found unexpected humor in a limousine driver discovering our heated driveway before making my way to the warmth of Tucson.\n\nAt Canyon Ranch, I read historical British Navy novels and attended Richard Rossi's conference, where conversations sparked insights about technology's role in our world. The discussions centered on how companies like Google and Apple influence geographic naming conventions and how AI tools like ChatGPT and Claude work to match human capabilities rather than surpass them.\n\nWe explored the relationship between technology and daily life, from electric vehicles to meal delivery services. These conversations highlighted how technological advances aim to streamline our routines while acknowledging the challenge of replicating genuine human experiences.\n\nThe experience reinforced that technology offers convenience and efficiency but cannot replace authentic human connections and experiences. This balance became clear through examples like distinguishing between Bach's original compositions and AI-generated music, reminding us of technology's role as a tool rather than a replacement for human interaction.\n\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\n\n  In the episode, Dan shares his journey from Toronto's cold to Arizona's warmth, highlighting his recovery from a cold and back spasm, and experiences attending a conference and relaxing at Canyon Ranch.\n  We discuss the impact of technology on geographic naming conventions, mentioning how companies like Google and Apple influence changes such as the renaming of geographic locations.\n  The conversation explores the idea that technology is striving to match human intelligence, with examples including AI tools like ChatGPT and Claude, and the future potential of seamless digital interactions.\n  I reflect on the progression of vision and technology, discussing how initial ideas develop into intellectual property and the role of technology in enhancing human capabilities.\n  We explore resistance to change with technological advancements, using examples like the shift from gasoline to electric vehicles and how people adapt technology to maintain comfort.\n  The episode examines the distinction between authentic human experiences and artificial replication, emphasizing the irreplaceable value of genuine human connections and interactions.\n  We share personal anecdotes about how technology has replaced routine tasks, discussing the convenience of services like grocery delivery and automated car washes, and pondering future technological advancements.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean: Mr Sullivan. Mr Jackson, I hope you're well, I am. \n\nDan: I'm much better than I was last weekend. I was, yeah, out of it. I mean, really I had like a cold and my back was in spasm. It was not good. So I'm a nice recovery week and I'm on the mend. How was your adventures in Arizona? Are you still in Arizona? \n\nDean: now. No, I got back around 11 o'clock last night to Toronto. That has about a foot of snow. \n\nDan: I saw that. \n\nDean: Yeah, and it's still snowing, it's still coming down. So we really had nothing for November, december, january, but February seems to be the winter. It's really snowing, I mean it's continuous, it's not heavy snow, but it's just constant, and I kind of like it. And we got home last night and the limousine driver who driveway and he said, oh, I hope we can get up to your driveway and he, he hadn't uh, he didn't have previous he didn't have previous experience. \n\nHe says oh my golly, you have heated driveways. And I said, yeah, uh, of course you know we've got to be good to our got to be, good to our limousine drivers. \n\nDan: You know we have to you know, set a standard for driver friendliness and anyway, so Did he tell you, listen, if you wanted to really be good, you'd buy the house behind you so we could keep the driveway going all the way through. \n\nDean: Yeah, somebody else did and they fixed it up, so I think that's out of the future. That's out of the. You know that's not going to happen. You can't add that to the compound, right? Yeah, so anyway, regarding Arizona, it was great. We were there for two and a half weeks so we had Richard Rossi's conference which was terrific, yeah, terrific. Richard does such a great job with this right. \n\nDan: I mean, it's something that he's really doing it out of his own passionate curiosity himself. I think that's a good thing when you can make your own thing. I think that's a good thing when you can make your own. \n\nDean: Then we did a week at Canyon Ranch in Tucson, which was really terrific and beautiful. I mean just gorgeous weather every day 75-ish. Got up to 80 a little bit, but absolutely clear. Not a cloud in the sky. For a week Didn't see a cloud in the night sky in Tucson. \n\nDan: I was going to ask what's a day in the life at Canyon Ranch for you. \n\nDean: I'll have a massage scheduled. You know you can go to 50 different things, but I don't. And you know, I read a lot while. I'm there I go for walks and know, did some gym work? \n\nand and then, yeah, just to take it really easy, you know I'm reading just a terrific set of British Navy stories from the novels. These are historic historically. They're all during the Napoleonic War, when Britain War, when Great Britain was fighting the French, and it follows. First of all, there's about 20 authors who write these terrific books, but the one I'm reading right now, andrew Wareham is his name and he follows a sea captain from when he becomes a midshipman. He becomes a midshipman. That's your first step in being an officer is a midshipman. But they start at nine and 10 years old. So they have nine and 10 year old boys on board ship, you know, and they lose a lot of them. You know because they're in. You know they're in action during the sea battles and you know they and they're foolish. You know 10, who who thinks? \n\nwho thinks about danger when you're 10 years old, you know, but Trails him and he's about 25 now and he's a captain. He's a captain. So in 15 years he's become a captain and just terrific, just extraordinarily well-written books, but it's just about this one person. And then he goes up in terms of skill and responsibility and importance and he becomes rich doing it. Because if you captured a French ship, then you might be. Yeah, except for the gold. The gold had to go to the government. To the government. \n\nDan: OK. \n\nDean: You know the British government, but outside of that you could. You auctioned it off and the captain got a set share, and then everybody right down to the lowest seaman. So I went through about three of those in a week. Three, three now, wow yeah, and that was it. And then I came back and we had our free zone, and which worked out really worked out, really well. And you know you had arranged for a. \n\nDan: I heard, you had arranged for a satellite launch while you were having the reception. \n\nDean: Yeah, the rocket rocket, you know. I mean mean the rocket maker is very busy these days rearranging the government, you know. And uh so yeah, I thought it was kind of him to just take a little bit of time out and send a rocket up during our reception. I thought, you know, you know kind of a nice touch, you know, and yeah, it went really well and the, you know it's mostly parties. You know kind of a nice touch, you know, and yeah, it went really well and the you know it's mostly parties. \n\nYou know our summit I mean if you, if you take this, if you take the two parties and put them together, they're equal to the amount of time we're doing in the conference and then the conference has lots of breaks, so yeah, I think it was more partying actually it's print seven, that's yeah, I mean that's the great uh seven print enjoy life and have a good time, you know right, right, right and then we uh took a day, and then we moved over to joe, which was joe yeah it's genius. \n\nYeah, joe is such a great and the new offices look really good. \n\nDan: I was just going to say I saw Richard Miller told me about the big 110-inch televisions or screens on the thing. That makes a big difference. \n\nDean: Well, the big thing he can comfortably put 100 people in now. Yeah. Because, he's knocked out walls. \n\nDan: Yeah, I zoomed in a little bit on Friday and, yeah, looks like a nice turnout too. It looks like that group's really growing. \n\nDean: Yeah, it seems, I guess about 40, you know about 40 people. Yeah, and some not there, so it's probably total numbers is a bit higher. And yeah, and yeah, and yeah. We had one very impressive speaker. The senior editor for Epoch Times was there. \n\nDan: Epoch Times. I saw that yeah. \n\nDean: Yeah, in the afternoon and I didn't really know the background to this story. You know the background to the public. Yeah, and I had lunch sitting next to him, a very interesting person, you know, and he's very connected to a lot of people in the new administration Trump administration so he was talking about all the different things that he was doing. \n\nDan: And I saw that Robert Kennedy was confirmed since last we spoke for the yeah and he's good friends with him. \n\nDean: The editor is good friends with him. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: And the next one is the FBI director, and he's good friends with him, so anyway, yeah, and Jeff Hayes was there and Jeff was just. I mean because Jeff had a major you know he had a major role in getting Robert Kennedy to the point where he could be and but I'm enjoying the. For the first time in US history, the government is being audited, mr Musk. \n\nDan: I knew I saw it was very interesting. I saw something that there was somebody posted up a video from the 90s when Clinton and Gore launched a. There was something it was called rego, I think, but reinventing government operations or something, and it was mirroring all the things that they're saying about Doge, about the finding inefficiency and finding looking out all those things. So it was really interesting. They were showing the parallels of what was actually, you know, in 90, you know mid nineties, when Clinton and Gore were in yeah, yeah. \n\nDean: Well, they didn't have the. I mean, it would have been an impossible task in the 1990s, but not so today, because of the guy, because they could just go in and they can identify every single check. That's written, the complete history, you know, and everything. They couldn't do that back in the 90s, you know Right. And probably they weren't the right party to be doing it either. \n\nDan: So, anyway. \n\nDean: no, I find it very intriguing and you can tell by the response of the Democrats that there's some stuff there. \n\nDan: There's some there. \n\nDean: There's some there there I think that I was just reading that. So far that you know they're they're, they're estimating that it's at least a trillion of found money. \n\nDan: In other words, that when they go through, they'll find a trillion is a big, you know. \n\nDean: I find that an impressive amount of money actually. \n\nDan: Yeah, I find that an impressive amount of money. Yeah, that's exactly right, yeah yeah, yeah. \n\nDean: So yeah, it's a big change. I think you know, I, I think that a lot of people who hate trump are probably wishing that he had actually won in 2020 you know, had to live with kovid for you know two and a half, three years, because nobody, almost no government, that was in charge. When COVID two years, I guess two and a half years of COVID. They've just been thrown out all around the world. \n\nWhoever the government was got thrown out, and so if Trump had won in 2020, he'd be out now and they'd probably be the Democrats and everything like that and they probably wouldn't have Elon Musk taking a look at government spending. \n\nDan: What's the buzz in Canada now with their impending 51st? Yeah, it's nothing. \n\nDean: We're in limbo. We're just in limbo because you know, the government isn't sitting and they're in the middle of a leadership race to replace Trudeau, and that won't happen until March 9th. \n\nDan: Governor Trudeau Did you hear Donald Trump Government Trudeau. \n\nDean: The state of Canada. \n\nDan: Yeah, Trudeau keeps calling him Governor Trudeau.  It's so disrespectful it's ridiculous. \n\nDean: Yeah, the Gulf of America and the state of Canada. That's big news, since the last time we spoke right. \n\nDan: We've had big changes. We had Governor. Trudeau and the Gulf of America. It's officially changed on the Google Maps now. \n\nDean: Yeah, apple too. Apple changed over to the Gulf of America, and so did Chevron. In its annual report it talked about all of its deep water drilling in the Gulf of America. Yeah, it's interesting how things get named, anyway, I don't know. There wasn't any active government that called it the Gulf of Mexico. It was just the first map makers, whoever they were, yeah. They just said well, yeah, we call this the Gulf of Mexico and it's a done deal, deal. And so my sense is you know, if the you know if Google changes the name. That's an important support for the change. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I mean, it's so funny. I wonder how long now it'll take for the street names to change to. \n\nDean: Well, they're changing, you know and they're, yeah, and they're changing the military bases. You know they had all these military bases in the. Us that were named after people who you know were deemed racist or deemed, you know, not proper that this person's name should be. So one administration changes them, but the next administration comes back and changes them all back to the original and Mount McKinley I always liked Mount McKinley and then they changed to Mount Denali. \n\nOh, is that right I didn't know that, and now it's changed back to Mount McKinley. Okay, so Mount McKinley is the tallest North American mountain tallest mountain in. North America. So anyway, it's really good. I've been toying with the book title. \n\nDan: It's not the book. \n\nDean: I'm writing right now, but the title of the book is Technology is Trying Very Hard to Keep Up with Us, okay, Technology is trying really hard to keep up. Yeah, because people, I think, have bought into it that we're the ones who are trying to keep up with technology. \n\nDan: Right. \n\nDean: And I think it creates a lot of stress. I think we're trying to keep up with something that we don't understand, and I think that's a very stressful, I think that's a very stressful attitude. And I just tested it out at Genius Network. \n\nAnd I just said what would you think about this? That technology is trying very hard to keep up with us. And they said, wow, wow. What do you mean? Well, you know, because I said first of all it's inferior. I said first of all it's inferior. Technology is inferior because the objective of so many of the researchers in technology is that we'll now have technology that's as smart as humans. \n\nSo, right off the bat, the premise of that is that technology isn't as smart as humans. Okay, so why would we be trying to be keeping up with something that's not as smart as us? That's true, yeah, but just from a standpoint. I think, probably, that you wouldn't be able to measure what's happening one way or the other. One way or the other, you really wouldn't be able to measure them, you know. \n\nI mean, if you take an individual human being, just one person, and you look at that person's brain, that brain is the most complex in the world. \n\nThe human brain has more connections than anything else in the world. So in the universe not in the world, but in the universe it's the most complex, that's just one individual and then humans can communicate with each other. So it's you know. Say you have 10 human brains, that's 10 times the most complex thing in the world and they're doing all sorts of things. So my sense is that's the superior thing that you know, the human brain and individual human is superior. So I think the makers of technology are trying to keep up with what the human brain is doing, but it's really hard. \n\nDan: it's really hard yeah, this is I mean. Yeah, I wonder. I just upgraded my chat gT membership. Now I just upgraded to the $200, $200, $200 a month. \n\nDean: Yeah, and apparently they're feeding you, dean, they're dating his. First it's $2. First it's free. \n\nDan: That's how they get you. \n\nDean: Dan, that's $20 a month. Now it's $200. Right, and you're deeper and deeper into it. Then they're going to say it's $500 a month, yeah, and then you're into the thousands. \n\nDan: And that's how they get you. That's what they do, that's how they get you yeah. \n\nDean: You can't back out of it. You can't back out of GPT. Yeah, once you're in, you're in. \n\nDan: So I need gpt. Yeah, my cheer hand, you're in, so I need the. So now, from what I understand, I got it and then I've been, you know, recovering here the last uh, couple of weeks or I was on my, had my event and and recovery here, so I haven't really spent the time to go deep in it. But from what I understand now they can do projects for you Like it. Can you know, I just did some test things Like can you, you know, see what massage times are available at Hand and Stone for me for today, and it goes to the website and logs it can book for you if you wanted it, you know. So I really I see now like the way forward, it's really just a world of truly just being able to articulate what you want is a big thing and you know you had 25 years of just practicing. What do you want, you know, in your daily practice. \n\nDean: Journaling You're journaling. \n\nDan: Yeah, and now we're truly like I think this is one step closer to just being able to like articulate what you want and it can happen. I mean, I see it now on, you know, with the combination of the things that are doing, like Claude. A lot of people are using Claude for, like creating websites and apps and you know, functional things and then using. Now, I think, with ChatGPT, combined with those capabilities, that's really what the $200 a month, one kind of gets you is the ability for you to set it on a task and then come back. \n\nIt'll still work on it while not. It felt like before, for $20 a month, charlotte would do whatever you wanted her to do right in real time while you're there, but you couldn't assign it a task that is going to be done while you're not there. So, man, it's pretty amazing times what we're coming into here being a visionary is a big thing. \n\nDean: Yeah, my, I'm just. You know, I'm really. I just work with one, one tool and see, how much? \n\nI can get out of it and you know, perplexity is doing a good job of giving me alternative copy copy ideas, and the thing is that I've got so many thinking tools of my own that I've created over my last that the tools I think are really custom designed for how I go about things, okay, and and so see for me to kind of learn this new stuff in the time that I would be learning something new I'd be creating three or four new. I'd be creating three or four new tools yeah which are useful in the program. \n\nSo there's an immediate payoff in the program and then they have IP value as we're discovering they have. \n\nIP value, so I'm not seeing the return on investment yet. I mean, I have team members who can do the programs and they're investigating them all the time and they're getting better. So I can just chat with, I can just send them a fast filter or something like that. That's a tool, fast filter, and then they go and they execute it and I haven't spent any time learning it and so I'm really interested in listening to you, because you're I would suspect that you're making advances every day, right, probably something new every day. \n\nDan: I'm starting to see I don't know whether I've shared with you the we're kind of putting some legs on the VCR formula, kind of putting some. You're digging a little deeper into how to really define those what vision, what capabilities, what reach, how to think about them. And what I looked at with vision is thinking of it as a progression from the levels of vision that you can have. So you can start out with the ability to create a hypothesis or have an idea about something. I think that if you did this, that would be a good thing, right, this is what you, we should do, or this is where I think we should go with this. \n\nThat's one level. Then, from that, then the next level up is that you have proven. That is right, that's a good idea, right. So you've set up an experiment, you've taken some action on that idea. You've gotten some feedback that, yeah, that's good. It's almost like applying the scientific method in a way. Right, you create a hypothesis, you set up an experiment, you do it Now. Once you've got proof, then the next level up is to create a protocol for that. You could repeat the result that you were able to get one time. \n\nAnd once you've got that protocol, now you've got something that can be packaged and protected. Ip is the crown jewel of the vision column. Everything should be progressing to that peak of having IP. And once you have a piece of IP, once you have a protocol, an algorithm, a recipe you know engineer, whatever the thing is. Now it moves into your capability column that you have it now as something that you can package as a result for someone Right. So it's been. It's a really interesting thing. You can package as a result for someone right, so it's a really interesting thing. I think that progression of kind of you know feels in line with the make it up, make it real, make it recur kind of progression as well. \n\nDean: Yeah. Now here's a question and it's kind of related to this. Technology is trying really hard to keep up that I started the podcast with this morning. If you looked at yourself, are you using technology so that you can be different or are you using technology so that you can be the same? That's a good question. \n\nDan: I think I'm using technology so that, well, I don't know how to think about that. I would say am I using technology so that I can be different? I can't think of an example to say either way. I mean I'm using technology in many cases to do what I would do if I could count on me to do it. You know, I think that's a thing that you know technology is able to do the things that I would do. And I take technology as you know, I have a broad definition of technology. \n\nRight, like a shovel would be a technology too. Right, any kind of tool to do what you would do in an enhanced kind of way, like if your thing is you're trying to dig a swimming pool, you know you do it by hand, scoop out all the dirt. But somebody realized, hey, if we make a shovel that is similar but bigger, it could scoop that out. And then if we make a, a backhoe, that can you know, do that's a thing so it's doing? I think the answer is probably all technology is to do the same faster and bigger yeah, I just just wonder that the most dominant force in people's life is really their habits, and what I feel is there's a set of habits that work. \n\nDean: you know, you like them and they work. And secondly, you like doing them, you like doing them but you're being asked to change. You know, there's sort of this message, message, a narrative you're going to have to change and you're going to have to change. And I'm wondering if, at a certain stage, people reach a point where they say, okay, I'll use technology, but not to change the way you want me to change, but to stay the way I am. \n\nDan: That's interesting but to stay the way I am. That's interesting. Yeah, I mean, there's probably good arguments for both sides, right? I think technology ultimately in its bestest to be able to replace your time and effort on doing something to make it easier to do what you need to do. I think about Excel, for instance, using Excel spreadsheets as a way of being able to sort and organize and compute data back like to the earliest technologies you know. \n\nDean: Yeah, well, I just feel that you know. I mean, first of all, very few people are. I would start with myself by saying that I've probably got a massive habit system. You know, that's basically repeats who I am every day, like 90 and it's comfortable. \n\nYou know it's comfortable you know, and I do it, and therefore, if I am asked to be more productive or I'm asked to be creative, I will only use those technologies that allow me to be productive in a way that my daily habits can stay the same. I don't really want to be disrupted. Right, yeah, I can see this, you know, with. One of the problems with EVs is that people are really used to going to the gas station. They've got a whole routine and it isn't just pumping gas, they go in, you know, they go in, they buy some things, you know, and everything like that, and it's really a short period of time. I mean, if you wanted to fill up your car, you know, and I was used to it because we had a, you know, in our trip we had a Beamer, we had the big Beamer. They have a X7 now. \n\nDan: The X5 was always. \n\nDean: Now they have an X7. And, the thing you know, we had it for two and a half weeks, so about three or four days before we left. We just topped it up, you know, we just I put enough gas in that would get us back to the airport you know, when we did it and you know it was like four minutes. \n\nYou know it's like four minutes, yeah, where you know if you're I mean if you do your charging up overnight, there's no problem to it. You know, if you're I mean if you do your charging up overnight, there's no problem to it, you know there's no problem charging up, but if you're out on a trip and you're getting short on you know, on power, then it's a lot, you know where is it? \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: I find that same thing Like so I, you know net. I have a charger at my house for my Tesla. \n\nAnd so I just plug it in and I never. I don't miss. Well, I never went to the. I never went to the gas station. Anyway, I would have Courtney. You know my assistant would always go. That was one of the things that she would do. \n\nBut I think about, you know, the things that Courtney would do 10 years ago, like getting gas in my car, taking to the car wash all of that stuff, going to the grocery store, going to restaurants to pick up stuff or to take things to the mail, all of the things that were. You know. A lot of that is now replaced with technology, in that there's no need to, I don't need to go to the gas station. My car is always charged and always ready. We have there's a there's this big now push of these super convenient car wash things. So for $32 a month you join this. For $32 a month you have unlimited car washes and there's one right on the way to or the way home from, honeycomb, the breakfast place that I go to every day. So I can just literally swing in. You don't even, you don't get out of your car, you just drive through. It's got the. It recognizes your barcode thing. You drive right through and off you go, and so I always have a super clean car. \n\nI use Instacart for the grocery delivery and Uber Eats and Seamless and, like you think, 10 years ago one of the things that we had Courtney do was go to. It's funny you say this right, but technology keeping up with us, this would fit in that category that there was no delivery service for food aside from pizza and Chinese food. That's what you could get delivered at your house or office, right. So we had Courtney go to every restaurant, like all of our favorite restaurants. She went to every restaurant and got the takeout menu, two copies of it, one. So we had a binder, one at the house and one at the office that had the menus of every restaurant and now, all of a sudden, every restaurant was delivery, because we would place the order and then Courtney would go and get it and bring it. \n\nDean: You know. \n\nDan: And so that's what technology kind of replaced 90% of what Courtney was doing. You know, it's really interesting to to think. You know, pretty simple, have the, remember on Star Trek they had the replicators where they would you know? Just you tell the thing what you want and it would make the food. \n\nDean: We're not that far off probably from that. Well, where do you see that? I don't see that at all. \n\nDan: No, I'm saying on in you're seeing now I don't know if you've ever seen these robotic kitchens that are kitchen robots that you know can make anything that you want, and I think it's very interesting that you look at. Ai will be able to assess your inventory in your fridge and your robots will keep the ingredients stocked and your AI robot chef will be able to make whatever you want. I mean basically anything. Any packaged protocol, like for recipes or anything that you know how to do, is now eligible for someone else to do it, you know, and someone else being a technology, a robot, to be able to do it, you know, and someone else being a technology, a robot, to be able to do it. But there's no, you still have to be able to. There's still the human element of things. \n\nI had a really interesting experience just yesterday is I send out, you know, three emails a week to our subscribers, you know, to all my on my list of entrepreneurs, and you know the emails, for several years, have been derivative of my podcasts. Right, like so they. I would talk the podcast and then we would get those transcribed and then I had a writer who would take the transcript and identify you know two or three or four key points that we talked about in the podcast and create emails. You know three to 500 word emails based on those in my voice and I use air quotes in my voice because it really was my words Cause I spoke them on the podcast but she was, you know, compiling and putting them all together and they you know, I've had. \n\nI've got a lot of them and we've been, you know, since COVID, kind of in syndication with them, where they're on a three-year rotation, kind of thing, you know. So I haven't had to write new emails, but occasionally I will intersperse them in. And so the other day, yesterday, I sent out an email that I wrote 100% and it was describing the advantages of time travel and I was talking about how, in lead generation situations, you know, I mean, if I could say to people, let's say, you own a real estate company and we had the ability to time travel and we could go back two years from today and we're going to leave at midnight, but before we leave you can go to the MLS and you can print off a list of every house that sold in the last two years. \n\nSo we can beam back two years armed with a list of every person that sold their house in the last two years and all you would need to do over that period of time is just concentrate on building a relationship with those people, because that's what you're looking for Right, on building a relationship with those people, because that's what you're looking for, right. \n\nAnd so I told that whole story and then said, you know, since and it reminds me, dan, of your it's certainty and uncertainty, right, like if you had certainty that these are the people that are going to sell their house, that you would be, you would have a different approach to your engagement with them, but it wouldn't change the fact that, as valuable as you think this list is, armed with this list of everybody that's going to sell their house, that sold their house in the last two years, you'd still have to go through the last two years in real time, and the people who sold their house, you know, teen months later, were you still had to wait 18 months for them to mature. And I thought, you know, I said that the thing that, since we can't time travel backwards, the best thing we could do is plant a time capsule and start generating leads of people who are going to sell their house in the next 100 weeks. \n\nAnd if you had that level of certainty around it, that would be a big thing, right? So I wrote that email and I talked about the thing. But I've gotten five or six replies to the emails saying I read a lot of your emails. In my opinion, this is the best one that you've written, or what an amazing insight, or this really resonated with me, but it was something that has like 100% of me in it, as opposed to written as a derivative of something I said. So it's not, I think, that human element. I don't know whether it's the energy or whatever. \n\nDean: Yeah, it's kind of interesting there. I think what I'm going to say relates to what you're saying, right? \n\nDan: now. \n\nDean: There was just a YouTube. It was YouTube and it was. Can you tell if it's Bach or not? \n\nDan: So what they did is they had an actual recording of Bach. \n\nDean: Who wrote it, you know? And then they did an AI version of like Bach. And then they did an AI version of like Bach. And then they asked you to listen to both and say which one was Bach and which one was the AI. And there were six of the six. They gave six samples and I got it right six times in a row. \n\nDan: Oh, wow. \n\nDean: And what I was saying is that there's something that the human being has added which is not. It's actually is, and there's a big difference between is and kind of like, and it seems to me that's what you're saying here. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: That there's something. It's kind of like Dean Jackson or is. Dean Jackson, and my sense is I think the gulf between those two is permanent. I agree 100%. \n\nDan: That's the, you know. There's Jerry Spence, the attorney. He wrote a great book called how to Argue and Win Every Time. \n\nDean: And one of the things that he said is when we're communicating. \n\nDan: One of the things that he said is when we're communicating, one of the things that the receiver, what we're doing as the receiver of communication, is, we have all these invisible psychic tentacles that are out measuring and testing and looking for authenticity of it, and they can detect what he calls the thin clank of the counterfeit. Yes, and that's an interesting thing, right? What was it to you in Is it Bach that made you able to pick it out? Can you discern what the difference was. \n\nDean: I think it was an emotional thing that basically I was moved by the back one, and I was just intrigued by the other one that's interesting right one of them was one of them was emotional, but the other one was. You know, I was me saying is it? You know, I, I don, I don't think so, I don't think it is when. With the first one, it didn't take long. There was just, you know, it was maybe five or six bars and I said, yeah, I think that's Bach, it's the twinkle in the eye, right. \n\nDan: That's kind of the thing that is. Yeah, I get it. I think we're onto something with that. \n\nDean: Yeah, and. I think it's uniqueness. In other words, here's my feeling is that humans develop new capabilities to deal with technology. I think that our brains are actually transforming as we're surrounded more and more with technology. And it has to do with what's valuable and what's not valuable and anything that's tech, we immediately say, oh, that doesn't really have any value because it's cheap, it's really cheap in other words, it was the technology was created to lower the cost of something. \n\nI mean that's really you know, I mean if it were, I mean mean, if it does what it's supposed to do, it lowers the cost, and there's various costs. There's cost of concentration, there's the cost of time, there's the cost of energy, there's the cost of money and everything else. And so technology will lower the cost in those areas and doing it in those areas and doing it. But what I find is that what we really treasure in life, the things that have a higher cost, that have a higher cost, it takes more of our effort takes more of our time. \n\nIt takes you know more of our money, and in person you know. In person is always going to cost more than automatic or digital. So, my sense is, as time goes along, we adjust our you know the cost benefit analysis of the experience. \n\nDan: Okay. \n\nDean: And think about the six who wrote back to you on it. How much their cost was it really cost them to listen to the real thing? Okay because, first of all, they were listening and they were moved. They couldn't be doing something else when they were being moved by your message. Okay, and then they took time out. They took time out to actually construct a response to you. So the cost I mean we use cost as a bad word you know there's a high cost, or anything right yeah, but it's actually investment, the investment that the things where we're required to invest more are actually more valuable. \n\nDan: I agree with you, yeah, yeah. So I think that's part of this, that's part of this balance, then, with the technologies, using the technology. I mean, you know, how do you get that? \n\nDean: Yeah, that level about things that we're fully engaged with, that are more valuable than things that are just done for us in an instant. I don't have the answer to that, it's just an observation. \n\nDan: No, I don't either. \n\nYou're right, but the fact is that a lot of these things are, you know, no matter what the advancements happen in technology, in some of these ways, it's the fact is that life moves at the speed of reality, right, which is, you know, 60 seconds per minute. \n\nYou know, I mean, that's really the, that's really the thing, and that those our attention is engaged for 100 of those minutes that we have, and when it's engaged in something, it's not engaged in something else, and when I think what that's what you're saying, is that you've gotten the authentic, like core, you know, full engagement. And it's an interesting thing that I think what AI is doing for bulk things, for people is it's allowing them to not have to pay attention to things they don't have to. It's really it allows everybody to get the cliff notes or something. They don't have to read Hamlet, they don't have to read Macbeth, they can scan the cliff notes of something. They don't have to read Hamlet, they don't have to read Macbeth, they can scan the cliff notes of Macbeth. But that's not the same experience of seeing. \n\nDean: No, there's something about engagement, I think, the word we'll use as our segue word, namely to pick it up next time. \n\nDan: I think it is. \n\nDean: There's a real pleasure of being fully engaged. \n\nDan: I think that's something that is cause this is an interesting thing. I'm gonna throw a couple of things out that we can marinate on for next time, because we're just having this conversation about Michelelin star restaurant experiences that I? \n\nDean: I've always been fascinated by that the young chef who turned down uh three-star rating no he said I don't want to be rated, I don't want to have a michelin. Well, and people, people say well, of course you want a Michelin rating. He says no, he says it does weird things with what I'm supposed to be and what a restaurant is supposed to be. And he said I noticed the type of customers that came in were different type of customers. So he said I don't want to be listed anymore as Michelin. That's interesting. \n\nDan: But it's fascinating. That is an only. It's a one-off original experience provided by a group of passionate people. You know doing something only in the moment. There's no leverage. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: And I thought about the same thing like a, you know, like a performance of live theater in a live in an environment is a one-off, original experience and I think that's why people who love theater and love doing theater actors, I I mean, who love performing in theaters because of that authentic and immediate back that your engagement really brings, that's very live live and in person live exactly. \n\nDean: Yeah, it's interesting, but my sense is that just to. Yeah, exactly, you're being pressured to to change the sameness. You'll look for a technology that frees up the time again so that you can enjoy your sameness. \n\nDan: I don't know if I'm getting that across really. No, I understand, but it's a bit like it's a bit. \n\nDean: It's a bit like a gyroscope. You want to stay on the true path when you're flying and therefore, you need more and more technology. \n\nI was noticing we came back in the 787, which is a marvelous airplane. For all of Boeing's troubles, the 787 is not one of them, and you know, it's just that. So we took off, you know, we flew from Phoenix to Toronto and just as we got near the, within about 30 minutes of landing in Toronto, there was just a little bump and the pilot immediately came out and says you know, we were in a little bit of a turbulence zone, but it won't last. \n\nIn about a minute we'll be out of it and then, a minute later, there was no turbulence, it was just about a minute. And it wasn't real turbulence, it was just a little you know that. I noticed it and they have a really unique technology that they've introduced that can transform turbulence into smoothness. You know that's what I'm interpreting that they do, but for the whole flight, you know, I didn't even remember us taking off and when we landed I said, did we land? \n\nYeah, and she said yeah, bev says we landed, and I said, wow, yeah, it's just really remarkable. But there's millions and millions of little tech bots that are adjusting it so that the sameness you like, which is namely not turbulence, is maintained. \n\nAnd I think that we do this on a personal level. I think we do this on an individual level. We have a smooth flight, we have an experience of what a smooth flight is for us and if there's any interruption of that, we want something that takes away the interruption so we can get back to the feeling that it's a smooth flight. \n\nDan: Yeah agreed. Well, I think we're onto something here. \n\nDean: I think we are yeah, okay. \n\nDan:Changing to stay the same. \n\nDean: Changing to stay the same yeah all righty. \n\nDan: Constantly changing, to stay the same, that's a good book title right there? \n\n0:48:32 - Dean:\nOh yeah, all right there. Oh yeah, all righty, I like that Okay. \nThanks, Dan. \n\nDan: Okay now next week, I know you're gone next week we're on our way to Nashville for our upgrade, our lube job, whatever. Uh-huh, so two weeks, okay two weeks. Okay, bye. \n\n0:48:52 - Dean:\nThanks, Dan Bye. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, Dan shares his journey from recovering in snowy Toronto to basking in the Arizona sunshine at Canyon Ranch. While battling a cold and back spasm in Canada, He found unexpected humor in a limousine driver discovering our heated driveway before making my way to the warmth of Tucson.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAt Canyon Ranch, I read historical British Navy novels and attended Richard Rossi\u0026#39;s conference, where conversations sparked insights about technology\u0026#39;s role in our world. The discussions centered on how companies like Google and Apple influence geographic naming conventions and how AI tools like ChatGPT and Claude work to match human capabilities rather than surpass them.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe explored the relationship between technology and daily life, from electric vehicles to meal delivery services. 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This balance became clear through examples like distinguishing between Bach\u0026#39;s original compositions and AI-generated music, reminding us of technology\u0026#39;s role as a tool rather than a replacement for human interaction.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul style=\"list-style-type: circle;\"\u003e\n\u003c/center\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eIn the episode, Dan shares his journey from Toronto's cold to Arizona's warmth, highlighting his recovery from a cold and back spasm, and experiences attending a conference and relaxing at Canyon Ranch.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe discuss the impact of technology on geographic naming conventions, mentioning how companies like Google and Apple influence changes such as the renaming of geographic locations.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eThe conversation explores the idea that technology is striving to match human intelligence, with examples including AI tools like ChatGPT and Claude, and the future potential of seamless digital interactions.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eI reflect on the progression of vision and technology, discussing how initial ideas develop into intellectual property and the role of technology in enhancing human capabilities.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe explore resistance to change with technological advancements, using examples like the shift from gasoline to electric vehicles and how people adapt technology to maintain comfort.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eThe episode examines the distinction between authentic human experiences and artificial replication, emphasizing the irreplaceable value of genuine human connections and interactions.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe share personal anecdotes about how technology has replaced routine tasks, discussing the convenience of services like grocery delivery and automated car washes, and pondering future technological advancements.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Sullivan. Mr Jackson, I hope you\u0026#39;re well, I am. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m much better than I was last weekend. I was, yeah, out of it. I mean, really I had like a cold and my back was in spasm. It was not good. So I\u0026#39;m a nice recovery week and I\u0026#39;m on the mend. How was your adventures in Arizona? Are you still in Arizona? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e now. No, I got back around 11 o\u0026#39;clock last night to Toronto. That has about a foot of snow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I saw that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and it\u0026#39;s still snowing, it\u0026#39;s still coming down. So we really had nothing for November, december, january, but February seems to be the winter. It\u0026#39;s really snowing, I mean it\u0026#39;s continuous, it\u0026#39;s not heavy snow, but it\u0026#39;s just constant, and I kind of like it. And we got home last night and the limousine driver who driveway and he said, oh, I hope we can get up to your driveway and he, he hadn\u0026#39;t uh, he didn\u0026#39;t have previous he didn\u0026#39;t have previous experience. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHe says oh my golly, you have heated driveways. And I said, yeah, uh, of course you know we\u0026#39;ve got to be good to our got to be, good to our limousine drivers. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know we have to you know, set a standard for driver friendliness and anyway, so Did he tell you, listen, if you wanted to really be good, you\u0026#39;d buy the house behind you so we could keep the driveway going all the way through. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, somebody else did and they fixed it up, so I think that\u0026#39;s out of the future. That\u0026#39;s out of the. You know that\u0026#39;s not going to happen. You can\u0026#39;t add that to the compound, right? Yeah, so anyway, regarding Arizona, it was great. We were there for two and a half weeks so we had Richard Rossi\u0026#39;s conference which was terrific, yeah, terrific. Richard does such a great job with this right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, it\u0026#39;s something that he\u0026#39;s really doing it out of his own passionate curiosity himself. I think that\u0026#39;s a good thing when you can make your own thing. I think that\u0026#39;s a good thing when you can make your own. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Then we did a week at Canyon Ranch in Tucson, which was really terrific and beautiful. I mean just gorgeous weather every day 75-ish. Got up to 80 a little bit, but absolutely clear. Not a cloud in the sky. For a week Didn\u0026#39;t see a cloud in the night sky in Tucson. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I was going to ask what\u0026#39;s a day in the life at Canyon Ranch for you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ll have a massage scheduled. You know you can go to 50 different things, but I don\u0026#39;t. And you know, I read a lot while. I\u0026#39;m there I go for walks and know, did some gym work? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eand and then, yeah, just to take it really easy, you know I\u0026#39;m reading just a terrific set of British Navy stories from the novels. These are historic historically. They\u0026#39;re all during the Napoleonic War, when Britain War, when Great Britain was fighting the French, and it follows. First of all, there\u0026#39;s about 20 authors who write these terrific books, but the one I\u0026#39;m reading right now, andrew Wareham is his name and he follows a sea captain from when he becomes a midshipman. He becomes a midshipman. That\u0026#39;s your first step in being an officer is a midshipman. But they start at nine and 10 years old. So they have nine and 10 year old boys on board ship, you know, and they lose a lot of them. You know because they\u0026#39;re in. You know they\u0026#39;re in action during the sea battles and you know they and they\u0026#39;re foolish. You know 10, who who thinks? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ewho thinks about danger when you\u0026#39;re 10 years old, you know, but Trails him and he\u0026#39;s about 25 now and he\u0026#39;s a captain. He\u0026#39;s a captain. So in 15 years he\u0026#39;s become a captain and just terrific, just extraordinarily well-written books, but it\u0026#39;s just about this one person. And then he goes up in terms of skill and responsibility and importance and he becomes rich doing it. Because if you captured a French ship, then you might be. Yeah, except for the gold. The gold had to go to the government. To the government. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e OK. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know the British government, but outside of that you could. You auctioned it off and the captain got a set share, and then everybody right down to the lowest seaman. So I went through about three of those in a week. Three, three now, wow yeah, and that was it. And then I came back and we had our free zone, and which worked out really worked out, really well. And you know you had arranged for a. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I heard, you had arranged for a satellite launch while you were having the reception. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, the rocket rocket, you know. I mean mean the rocket maker is very busy these days rearranging the government, you know. And uh so yeah, I thought it was kind of him to just take a little bit of time out and send a rocket up during our reception. I thought, you know, you know kind of a nice touch, you know, and yeah, it went really well and the, you know it\u0026#39;s mostly parties. You know kind of a nice touch, you know, and yeah, it went really well and the you know it\u0026#39;s mostly parties. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know our summit I mean if you, if you take this, if you take the two parties and put them together, they\u0026#39;re equal to the amount of time we\u0026#39;re doing in the conference and then the conference has lots of breaks, so yeah, I think it was more partying actually it\u0026#39;s print seven, that\u0026#39;s yeah, I mean that\u0026#39;s the great uh seven print enjoy life and have a good time, you know right, right, right and then we uh took a day, and then we moved over to joe, which was joe yeah it\u0026#39;s genius. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, joe is such a great and the new offices look really good. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I was just going to say I saw Richard Miller told me about the big 110-inch televisions or screens on the thing. That makes a big difference. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, the big thing he can comfortably put 100 people in now. Yeah. Because, he\u0026#39;s knocked out walls. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I zoomed in a little bit on Friday and, yeah, looks like a nice turnout too. It looks like that group\u0026#39;s really growing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it seems, I guess about 40, you know about 40 people. Yeah, and some not there, so it\u0026#39;s probably total numbers is a bit higher. And yeah, and yeah, and yeah. We had one very impressive speaker. The senior editor for Epoch Times was there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Epoch Times. I saw that yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, in the afternoon and I didn\u0026#39;t really know the background to this story. You know the background to the public. Yeah, and I had lunch sitting next to him, a very interesting person, you know, and he\u0026#39;s very connected to a lot of people in the new administration Trump administration so he was talking about all the different things that he was doing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I saw that Robert Kennedy was confirmed since last we spoke for the yeah and he\u0026#39;s good friends with him. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e The editor is good friends with him. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And the next one is the FBI director, and he\u0026#39;s good friends with him, so anyway, yeah, and Jeff Hayes was there and Jeff was just. I mean because Jeff had a major you know he had a major role in getting Robert Kennedy to the point where he could be and but I\u0026#39;m enjoying the. For the first time in US history, the government is being audited, mr Musk. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I knew I saw it was very interesting. I saw something that there was somebody posted up a video from the 90s when Clinton and Gore launched a. There was something it was called rego, I think, but reinventing government operations or something, and it was mirroring all the things that they\u0026#39;re saying about Doge, about the finding inefficiency and finding looking out all those things. So it was really interesting. They were showing the parallels of what was actually, you know, in 90, you know mid nineties, when Clinton and Gore were in yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, they didn\u0026#39;t have the. I mean, it would have been an impossible task in the 1990s, but not so today, because of the guy, because they could just go in and they can identify every single check. That\u0026#39;s written, the complete history, you know, and everything. They couldn\u0026#39;t do that back in the 90s, you know Right. And probably they weren\u0026#39;t the right party to be doing it either. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So, anyway. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e no, I find it very intriguing and you can tell by the response of the Democrats that there\u0026#39;s some stuff there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e There\u0026#39;s some there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e There\u0026#39;s some there there I think that I was just reading that. So far that you know they\u0026#39;re they\u0026#39;re, they\u0026#39;re estimating that it\u0026#39;s at least a trillion of found money. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e In other words, that when they go through, they\u0026#39;ll find a trillion is a big, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I find that an impressive amount of money actually. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I find that an impressive amount of money. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s exactly right, yeah yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So yeah, it\u0026#39;s a big change. I think you know, I, I think that a lot of people who hate trump are probably wishing that he had actually won in 2020 you know, had to live with kovid for you know two and a half, three years, because nobody, almost no government, that was in charge. When COVID two years, I guess two and a half years of COVID. They\u0026#39;ve just been thrown out all around the world. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWhoever the government was got thrown out, and so if Trump had won in 2020, he\u0026#39;d be out now and they\u0026#39;d probably be the Democrats and everything like that and they probably wouldn\u0026#39;t have Elon Musk taking a look at government spending. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e What\u0026#39;s the buzz in Canada now with their impending 51st? Yeah, it\u0026#39;s nothing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We\u0026#39;re in limbo. We\u0026#39;re just in limbo because you know, the government isn\u0026#39;t sitting and they\u0026#39;re in the middle of a leadership race to replace Trudeau, and that won\u0026#39;t happen until March 9th. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Governor Trudeau Did you hear Donald Trump Government Trudeau. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e The state of Canada. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, Trudeau keeps calling him Governor Trudeau.  It\u0026#39;s so disrespectful it\u0026#39;s ridiculous. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, the Gulf of America and the state of Canada. That\u0026#39;s big news, since the last time we spoke right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We\u0026#39;ve had big changes. We had Governor. Trudeau and the Gulf of America. It\u0026#39;s officially changed on the Google Maps now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, apple too. Apple changed over to the Gulf of America, and so did Chevron. In its annual report it talked about all of its deep water drilling in the Gulf of America. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s interesting how things get named, anyway, I don\u0026#39;t know. There wasn\u0026#39;t any active government that called it the Gulf of Mexico. It was just the first map makers, whoever they were, yeah. They just said well, yeah, we call this the Gulf of Mexico and it\u0026#39;s a done deal, deal. And so my sense is you know, if the you know if Google changes the name. That\u0026#39;s an important support for the change. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I mean, it\u0026#39;s so funny. I wonder how long now it\u0026#39;ll take for the street names to change to. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, they\u0026#39;re changing, you know and they\u0026#39;re, yeah, and they\u0026#39;re changing the military bases. You know they had all these military bases in the. Us that were named after people who you know were deemed racist or deemed, you know, not proper that this person\u0026#39;s name should be. So one administration changes them, but the next administration comes back and changes them all back to the original and Mount McKinley I always liked Mount McKinley and then they changed to Mount Denali. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOh, is that right I didn\u0026#39;t know that, and now it\u0026#39;s changed back to Mount McKinley. Okay, so Mount McKinley is the tallest North American mountain tallest mountain in. North America. So anyway, it\u0026#39;s really good. I\u0026#39;ve been toying with the book title. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s not the book. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m writing right now, but the title of the book is Technology is Trying Very Hard to Keep Up with Us, okay, Technology is trying really hard to keep up. Yeah, because people, I think, have bought into it that we\u0026#39;re the ones who are trying to keep up with technology. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And I think it creates a lot of stress. I think we\u0026#39;re trying to keep up with something that we don\u0026#39;t understand, and I think that\u0026#39;s a very stressful, I think that\u0026#39;s a very stressful attitude. And I just tested it out at Genius Network. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I just said what would you think about this? That technology is trying very hard to keep up with us. And they said, wow, wow. What do you mean? Well, you know, because I said first of all it\u0026#39;s inferior. I said first of all it\u0026#39;s inferior. Technology is inferior because the objective of so many of the researchers in technology is that we\u0026#39;ll now have technology that\u0026#39;s as smart as humans. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo, right off the bat, the premise of that is that technology isn\u0026#39;t as smart as humans. Okay, so why would we be trying to be keeping up with something that\u0026#39;s not as smart as us? That\u0026#39;s true, yeah, but just from a standpoint. I think, probably, that you wouldn\u0026#39;t be able to measure what\u0026#39;s happening one way or the other. One way or the other, you really wouldn\u0026#39;t be able to measure them, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean, if you take an individual human being, just one person, and you look at that person\u0026#39;s brain, that brain is the most complex in the world. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe human brain has more connections than anything else in the world. So in the universe not in the world, but in the universe it\u0026#39;s the most complex, that\u0026#39;s just one individual and then humans can communicate with each other. So it\u0026#39;s you know. Say you have 10 human brains, that\u0026#39;s 10 times the most complex thing in the world and they\u0026#39;re doing all sorts of things. So my sense is that\u0026#39;s the superior thing that you know, the human brain and individual human is superior. So I think the makers of technology are trying to keep up with what the human brain is doing, but it\u0026#39;s really hard. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e it\u0026#39;s really hard yeah, this is I mean. Yeah, I wonder. I just upgraded my chat gT membership. Now I just upgraded to the $200, $200, $200 a month. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and apparently they\u0026#39;re feeding you, dean, they\u0026#39;re dating his. First it\u0026#39;s $2. First it\u0026#39;s free. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s how they get you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Dan, that\u0026#39;s $20 a month. Now it\u0026#39;s $200. Right, and you\u0026#39;re deeper and deeper into it. Then they\u0026#39;re going to say it\u0026#39;s $500 a month, yeah, and then you\u0026#39;re into the thousands. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And that\u0026#39;s how they get you. That\u0026#39;s what they do, that\u0026#39;s how they get you yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You can\u0026#39;t back out of it. You can\u0026#39;t back out of GPT. Yeah, once you\u0026#39;re in, you\u0026#39;re in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So I need gpt. Yeah, my cheer hand, you\u0026#39;re in, so I need the. So now, from what I understand, I got it and then I\u0026#39;ve been, you know, recovering here the last uh, couple of weeks or I was on my, had my event and and recovery here, so I haven\u0026#39;t really spent the time to go deep in it. But from what I understand now they can do projects for you Like it. Can you know, I just did some test things Like can you, you know, see what massage times are available at Hand and Stone for me for today, and it goes to the website and logs it can book for you if you wanted it, you know. So I really I see now like the way forward, it\u0026#39;s really just a world of truly just being able to articulate what you want is a big thing and you know you had 25 years of just practicing. What do you want, you know, in your daily practice. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Journaling You\u0026#39;re journaling. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and now we\u0026#39;re truly like I think this is one step closer to just being able to like articulate what you want and it can happen. I mean, I see it now on, you know, with the combination of the things that are doing, like Claude. A lot of people are using Claude for, like creating websites and apps and you know, functional things and then using. Now, I think, with ChatGPT, combined with those capabilities, that\u0026#39;s really what the $200 a month, one kind of gets you is the ability for you to set it on a task and then come back. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;ll still work on it while not. It felt like before, for $20 a month, charlotte would do whatever you wanted her to do right in real time while you\u0026#39;re there, but you couldn\u0026#39;t assign it a task that is going to be done while you\u0026#39;re not there. So, man, it\u0026#39;s pretty amazing times what we\u0026#39;re coming into here being a visionary is a big thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, my, I\u0026#39;m just. You know, I\u0026#39;m really. I just work with one, one tool and see, how much? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI can get out of it and you know, perplexity is doing a good job of giving me alternative copy copy ideas, and the thing is that I\u0026#39;ve got so many thinking tools of my own that I\u0026#39;ve created over my last that the tools I think are really custom designed for how I go about things, okay, and and so see for me to kind of learn this new stuff in the time that I would be learning something new I\u0026#39;d be creating three or four new. I\u0026#39;d be creating three or four new tools yeah which are useful in the program. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo there\u0026#39;s an immediate payoff in the program and then they have IP value as we\u0026#39;re discovering they have. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIP value, so I\u0026#39;m not seeing the return on investment yet. I mean, I have team members who can do the programs and they\u0026#39;re investigating them all the time and they\u0026#39;re getting better. So I can just chat with, I can just send them a fast filter or something like that. That\u0026#39;s a tool, fast filter, and then they go and they execute it and I haven\u0026#39;t spent any time learning it and so I\u0026#39;m really interested in listening to you, because you\u0026#39;re I would suspect that you\u0026#39;re making advances every day, right, probably something new every day. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m starting to see I don\u0026#39;t know whether I\u0026#39;ve shared with you the we\u0026#39;re kind of putting some legs on the VCR formula, kind of putting some. You\u0026#39;re digging a little deeper into how to really define those what vision, what capabilities, what reach, how to think about them. And what I looked at with vision is thinking of it as a progression from the levels of vision that you can have. So you can start out with the ability to create a hypothesis or have an idea about something. I think that if you did this, that would be a good thing, right, this is what you, we should do, or this is where I think we should go with this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat\u0026#39;s one level. Then, from that, then the next level up is that you have proven. That is right, that\u0026#39;s a good idea, right. So you\u0026#39;ve set up an experiment, you\u0026#39;ve taken some action on that idea. You\u0026#39;ve gotten some feedback that, yeah, that\u0026#39;s good. It\u0026#39;s almost like applying the scientific method in a way. Right, you create a hypothesis, you set up an experiment, you do it Now. Once you\u0026#39;ve got proof, then the next level up is to create a protocol for that. You could repeat the result that you were able to get one time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd once you\u0026#39;ve got that protocol, now you\u0026#39;ve got something that can be packaged and protected. Ip is the crown jewel of the vision column. Everything should be progressing to that peak of having IP. And once you have a piece of IP, once you have a protocol, an algorithm, a recipe you know engineer, whatever the thing is. Now it moves into your capability column that you have it now as something that you can package as a result for someone Right. So it\u0026#39;s been. It\u0026#39;s a really interesting thing. You can package as a result for someone right, so it\u0026#39;s a really interesting thing. I think that progression of kind of you know feels in line with the make it up, make it real, make it recur kind of progression as well. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Now here\u0026#39;s a question and it\u0026#39;s kind of related to this. Technology is trying really hard to keep up that I started the podcast with this morning. If you looked at yourself, are you using technology so that you can be different or are you using technology so that you can be the same? That\u0026#39;s a good question. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think I\u0026#39;m using technology so that, well, I don\u0026#39;t know how to think about that. I would say am I using technology so that I can be different? I can\u0026#39;t think of an example to say either way. I mean I\u0026#39;m using technology in many cases to do what I would do if I could count on me to do it. You know, I think that\u0026#39;s a thing that you know technology is able to do the things that I would do. And I take technology as you know, I have a broad definition of technology. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eRight, like a shovel would be a technology too. Right, any kind of tool to do what you would do in an enhanced kind of way, like if your thing is you\u0026#39;re trying to dig a swimming pool, you know you do it by hand, scoop out all the dirt. But somebody realized, hey, if we make a shovel that is similar but bigger, it could scoop that out. And then if we make a, a backhoe, that can you know, do that\u0026#39;s a thing so it\u0026#39;s doing? I think the answer is probably all technology is to do the same faster and bigger yeah, I just just wonder that the most dominant force in people\u0026#39;s life is really their habits, and what I feel is there\u0026#39;s a set of habits that work. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e you know, you like them and they work. And secondly, you like doing them, you like doing them but you\u0026#39;re being asked to change. You know, there\u0026#39;s sort of this message, message, a narrative you\u0026#39;re going to have to change and you\u0026#39;re going to have to change. And I\u0026#39;m wondering if, at a certain stage, people reach a point where they say, okay, I\u0026#39;ll use technology, but not to change the way you want me to change, but to stay the way I am. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s interesting but to stay the way I am. That\u0026#39;s interesting. Yeah, I mean, there\u0026#39;s probably good arguments for both sides, right? I think technology ultimately in its bestest to be able to replace your time and effort on doing something to make it easier to do what you need to do. I think about Excel, for instance, using Excel spreadsheets as a way of being able to sort and organize and compute data back like to the earliest technologies you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, I just feel that you know. I mean, first of all, very few people are. I would start with myself by saying that I\u0026#39;ve probably got a massive habit system. You know, that\u0026#39;s basically repeats who I am every day, like 90 and it\u0026#39;s comfortable. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know it\u0026#39;s comfortable you know, and I do it, and therefore, if I am asked to be more productive or I\u0026#39;m asked to be creative, I will only use those technologies that allow me to be productive in a way that my daily habits can stay the same. I don\u0026#39;t really want to be disrupted. Right, yeah, I can see this, you know, with. One of the problems with EVs is that people are really used to going to the gas station. They\u0026#39;ve got a whole routine and it isn\u0026#39;t just pumping gas, they go in, you know, they go in, they buy some things, you know, and everything like that, and it\u0026#39;s really a short period of time. I mean, if you wanted to fill up your car, you know, and I was used to it because we had a, you know, in our trip we had a Beamer, we had the big Beamer. They have a X7 now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The X5 was always. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Now they have an X7. And, the thing you know, we had it for two and a half weeks, so about three or four days before we left. We just topped it up, you know, we just I put enough gas in that would get us back to the airport you know, when we did it and you know it was like four minutes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know it\u0026#39;s like four minutes, yeah, where you know if you\u0026#39;re I mean if you do your charging up overnight, there\u0026#39;s no problem to it. You know, if you\u0026#39;re I mean if you do your charging up overnight, there\u0026#39;s no problem to it, you know there\u0026#39;s no problem charging up, but if you\u0026#39;re out on a trip and you\u0026#39;re getting short on you know, on power, then it\u0026#39;s a lot, you know where is it? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I find that same thing Like so I, you know net. I have a charger at my house for my Tesla. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd so I just plug it in and I never. I don\u0026#39;t miss. Well, I never went to the. I never went to the gas station. Anyway, I would have Courtney. You know my assistant would always go. That was one of the things that she would do. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut I think about, you know, the things that Courtney would do 10 years ago, like getting gas in my car, taking to the car wash all of that stuff, going to the grocery store, going to restaurants to pick up stuff or to take things to the mail, all of the things that were. You know. A lot of that is now replaced with technology, in that there\u0026#39;s no need to, I don\u0026#39;t need to go to the gas station. My car is always charged and always ready. We have there\u0026#39;s a there\u0026#39;s this big now push of these super convenient car wash things. So for $32 a month you join this. For $32 a month you have unlimited car washes and there\u0026#39;s one right on the way to or the way home from, honeycomb, the breakfast place that I go to every day. So I can just literally swing in. You don\u0026#39;t even, you don\u0026#39;t get out of your car, you just drive through. It\u0026#39;s got the. It recognizes your barcode thing. You drive right through and off you go, and so I always have a super clean car. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI use Instacart for the grocery delivery and Uber Eats and Seamless and, like you think, 10 years ago one of the things that we had Courtney do was go to. It\u0026#39;s funny you say this right, but technology keeping up with us, this would fit in that category that there was no delivery service for food aside from pizza and Chinese food. That\u0026#39;s what you could get delivered at your house or office, right. So we had Courtney go to every restaurant, like all of our favorite restaurants. She went to every restaurant and got the takeout menu, two copies of it, one. So we had a binder, one at the house and one at the office that had the menus of every restaurant and now, all of a sudden, every restaurant was delivery, because we would place the order and then Courtney would go and get it and bring it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And so that\u0026#39;s what technology kind of replaced 90% of what Courtney was doing. You know, it\u0026#39;s really interesting to to think. You know, pretty simple, have the, remember on Star Trek they had the replicators where they would you know? Just you tell the thing what you want and it would make the food. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We\u0026#39;re not that far off probably from that. Well, where do you see that? I don\u0026#39;t see that at all. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I\u0026#39;m saying on in you\u0026#39;re seeing now I don\u0026#39;t know if you\u0026#39;ve ever seen these robotic kitchens that are kitchen robots that you know can make anything that you want, and I think it\u0026#39;s very interesting that you look at. Ai will be able to assess your inventory in your fridge and your robots will keep the ingredients stocked and your AI robot chef will be able to make whatever you want. I mean basically anything. Any packaged protocol, like for recipes or anything that you know how to do, is now eligible for someone else to do it, you know, and someone else being a technology, a robot, to be able to do it, you know, and someone else being a technology, a robot, to be able to do it. But there\u0026#39;s no, you still have to be able to. There\u0026#39;s still the human element of things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI had a really interesting experience just yesterday is I send out, you know, three emails a week to our subscribers, you know, to all my on my list of entrepreneurs, and you know the emails, for several years, have been derivative of my podcasts. Right, like so they. I would talk the podcast and then we would get those transcribed and then I had a writer who would take the transcript and identify you know two or three or four key points that we talked about in the podcast and create emails. You know three to 500 word emails based on those in my voice and I use air quotes in my voice because it really was my words Cause I spoke them on the podcast but she was, you know, compiling and putting them all together and they you know, I\u0026#39;ve had. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI\u0026#39;ve got a lot of them and we\u0026#39;ve been, you know, since COVID, kind of in syndication with them, where they\u0026#39;re on a three-year rotation, kind of thing, you know. So I haven\u0026#39;t had to write new emails, but occasionally I will intersperse them in. And so the other day, yesterday, I sent out an email that I wrote 100% and it was describing the advantages of time travel and I was talking about how, in lead generation situations, you know, I mean, if I could say to people, let\u0026#39;s say, you own a real estate company and we had the ability to time travel and we could go back two years from today and we\u0026#39;re going to leave at midnight, but before we leave you can go to the MLS and you can print off a list of every house that sold in the last two years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo we can beam back two years armed with a list of every person that sold their house in the last two years and all you would need to do over that period of time is just concentrate on building a relationship with those people, because that\u0026#39;s what you\u0026#39;re looking for Right, on building a relationship with those people, because that\u0026#39;s what you\u0026#39;re looking for, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd so I told that whole story and then said, you know, since and it reminds me, dan, of your it\u0026#39;s certainty and uncertainty, right, like if you had certainty that these are the people that are going to sell their house, that you would be, you would have a different approach to your engagement with them, but it wouldn\u0026#39;t change the fact that, as valuable as you think this list is, armed with this list of everybody that\u0026#39;s going to sell their house, that sold their house in the last two years, you\u0026#39;d still have to go through the last two years in real time, and the people who sold their house, you know, teen months later, were you still had to wait 18 months for them to mature. And I thought, you know, I said that the thing that, since we can\u0026#39;t time travel backwards, the best thing we could do is plant a time capsule and start generating leads of people who are going to sell their house in the next 100 weeks. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd if you had that level of certainty around it, that would be a big thing, right? So I wrote that email and I talked about the thing. But I\u0026#39;ve gotten five or six replies to the emails saying I read a lot of your emails. In my opinion, this is the best one that you\u0026#39;ve written, or what an amazing insight, or this really resonated with me, but it was something that has like 100% of me in it, as opposed to written as a derivative of something I said. So it\u0026#39;s not, I think, that human element. I don\u0026#39;t know whether it\u0026#39;s the energy or whatever. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s kind of interesting there. I think what I\u0026#39;m going to say relates to what you\u0026#39;re saying, right? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e There was just a YouTube. It was YouTube and it was. Can you tell if it\u0026#39;s Bach or not? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So what they did is they had an actual recording of Bach. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Who wrote it, you know? And then they did an AI version of like Bach. And then they did an AI version of like Bach. And then they asked you to listen to both and say which one was Bach and which one was the AI. And there were six of the six. They gave six samples and I got it right six times in a row. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, wow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And what I was saying is that there\u0026#39;s something that the human being has added which is not. It\u0026#39;s actually is, and there\u0026#39;s a big difference between is and kind of like, and it seems to me that\u0026#39;s what you\u0026#39;re saying here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That there\u0026#39;s something. It\u0026#39;s kind of like Dean Jackson or is. Dean Jackson, and my sense is I think the gulf between those two is permanent. I agree 100%. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s the, you know. There\u0026#39;s Jerry Spence, the attorney. He wrote a great book called how to Argue and Win Every Time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And one of the things that he said is when we\u0026#39;re communicating. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e One of the things that he said is when we\u0026#39;re communicating, one of the things that the receiver, what we\u0026#39;re doing as the receiver of communication, is, we have all these invisible psychic tentacles that are out measuring and testing and looking for authenticity of it, and they can detect what he calls the thin clank of the counterfeit. Yes, and that\u0026#39;s an interesting thing, right? What was it to you in Is it Bach that made you able to pick it out? Can you discern what the difference was. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it was an emotional thing that basically I was moved by the back one, and I was just intrigued by the other one that\u0026#39;s interesting right one of them was one of them was emotional, but the other one was. You know, I was me saying is it? You know, I, I don, I don\u0026#39;t think so, I don\u0026#39;t think it is when. With the first one, it didn\u0026#39;t take long. There was just, you know, it was maybe five or six bars and I said, yeah, I think that\u0026#39;s Bach, it\u0026#39;s the twinkle in the eye, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s kind of the thing that is. Yeah, I get it. I think we\u0026#39;re onto something with that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and. I think it\u0026#39;s uniqueness. In other words, here\u0026#39;s my feeling is that humans develop new capabilities to deal with technology. I think that our brains are actually transforming as we\u0026#39;re surrounded more and more with technology. And it has to do with what\u0026#39;s valuable and what\u0026#39;s not valuable and anything that\u0026#39;s tech, we immediately say, oh, that doesn\u0026#39;t really have any value because it\u0026#39;s cheap, it\u0026#39;s really cheap in other words, it was the technology was created to lower the cost of something. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean that\u0026#39;s really you know, I mean if it were, I mean mean, if it does what it\u0026#39;s supposed to do, it lowers the cost, and there\u0026#39;s various costs. There\u0026#39;s cost of concentration, there\u0026#39;s the cost of time, there\u0026#39;s the cost of energy, there\u0026#39;s the cost of money and everything else. And so technology will lower the cost in those areas and doing it in those areas and doing it. But what I find is that what we really treasure in life, the things that have a higher cost, that have a higher cost, it takes more of our effort takes more of our time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt takes you know more of our money, and in person you know. In person is always going to cost more than automatic or digital. So, my sense is, as time goes along, we adjust our you know the cost benefit analysis of the experience. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And think about the six who wrote back to you on it. How much their cost was it really cost them to listen to the real thing? Okay because, first of all, they were listening and they were moved. They couldn\u0026#39;t be doing something else when they were being moved by your message. Okay, and then they took time out. They took time out to actually construct a response to you. So the cost I mean we use cost as a bad word you know there\u0026#39;s a high cost, or anything right yeah, but it\u0026#39;s actually investment, the investment that the things where we\u0026#39;re required to invest more are actually more valuable. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I agree with you, yeah, yeah. So I think that\u0026#39;s part of this, that\u0026#39;s part of this balance, then, with the technologies, using the technology. I mean, you know, how do you get that? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that level about things that we\u0026#39;re fully engaged with, that are more valuable than things that are just done for us in an instant. I don\u0026#39;t have the answer to that, it\u0026#39;s just an observation. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I don\u0026#39;t either. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou\u0026#39;re right, but the fact is that a lot of these things are, you know, no matter what the advancements happen in technology, in some of these ways, it\u0026#39;s the fact is that life moves at the speed of reality, right, which is, you know, 60 seconds per minute. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, I mean, that\u0026#39;s really the, that\u0026#39;s really the thing, and that those our attention is engaged for 100 of those minutes that we have, and when it\u0026#39;s engaged in something, it\u0026#39;s not engaged in something else, and when I think what that\u0026#39;s what you\u0026#39;re saying, is that you\u0026#39;ve gotten the authentic, like core, you know, full engagement. And it\u0026#39;s an interesting thing that I think what AI is doing for bulk things, for people is it\u0026#39;s allowing them to not have to pay attention to things they don\u0026#39;t have to. It\u0026#39;s really it allows everybody to get the cliff notes or something. They don\u0026#39;t have to read Hamlet, they don\u0026#39;t have to read Macbeth, they can scan the cliff notes of something. They don\u0026#39;t have to read Hamlet, they don\u0026#39;t have to read Macbeth, they can scan the cliff notes of Macbeth. But that\u0026#39;s not the same experience of seeing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No, there\u0026#39;s something about engagement, I think, the word we\u0026#39;ll use as our segue word, namely to pick it up next time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e There\u0026#39;s a real pleasure of being fully engaged. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that\u0026#39;s something that is cause this is an interesting thing. I\u0026#39;m gonna throw a couple of things out that we can marinate on for next time, because we\u0026#39;re just having this conversation about Michelelin star restaurant experiences that I? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve always been fascinated by that the young chef who turned down uh three-star rating no he said I don\u0026#39;t want to be rated, I don\u0026#39;t want to have a michelin. Well, and people, people say well, of course you want a Michelin rating. He says no, he says it does weird things with what I\u0026#39;m supposed to be and what a restaurant is supposed to be. And he said I noticed the type of customers that came in were different type of customers. So he said I don\u0026#39;t want to be listed anymore as Michelin. That\u0026#39;s interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But it\u0026#39;s fascinating. That is an only. It\u0026#39;s a one-off original experience provided by a group of passionate people. You know doing something only in the moment. There\u0026#39;s no leverage. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I thought about the same thing like a, you know, like a performance of live theater in a live in an environment is a one-off, original experience and I think that\u0026#39;s why people who love theater and love doing theater actors, I I mean, who love performing in theaters because of that authentic and immediate back that your engagement really brings, that\u0026#39;s very live live and in person live exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s interesting, but my sense is that just to. Yeah, exactly, you\u0026#39;re being pressured to to change the sameness. You\u0026#39;ll look for a technology that frees up the time again so that you can enjoy your sameness. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t know if I\u0026#39;m getting that across really. No, I understand, but it\u0026#39;s a bit like it\u0026#39;s a bit. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s a bit like a gyroscope. You want to stay on the true path when you\u0026#39;re flying and therefore, you need more and more technology. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI was noticing we came back in the 787, which is a marvelous airplane. For all of Boeing\u0026#39;s troubles, the 787 is not one of them, and you know, it\u0026#39;s just that. So we took off, you know, we flew from Phoenix to Toronto and just as we got near the, within about 30 minutes of landing in Toronto, there was just a little bump and the pilot immediately came out and says you know, we were in a little bit of a turbulence zone, but it won\u0026#39;t last. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIn about a minute we\u0026#39;ll be out of it and then, a minute later, there was no turbulence, it was just about a minute. And it wasn\u0026#39;t real turbulence, it was just a little you know that. I noticed it and they have a really unique technology that they\u0026#39;ve introduced that can transform turbulence into smoothness. You know that\u0026#39;s what I\u0026#39;m interpreting that they do, but for the whole flight, you know, I didn\u0026#39;t even remember us taking off and when we landed I said, did we land? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, and she said yeah, bev says we landed, and I said, wow, yeah, it\u0026#39;s just really remarkable. But there\u0026#39;s millions and millions of little tech bots that are adjusting it so that the sameness you like, which is namely not turbulence, is maintained. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I think that we do this on a personal level. I think we do this on an individual level. We have a smooth flight, we have an experience of what a smooth flight is for us and if there\u0026#39;s any interruption of that, we want something that takes away the interruption so we can get back to the feeling that it\u0026#39;s a smooth flight. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah agreed. Well, I think we\u0026#39;re onto something here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think we are yeah, okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003eChanging to stay the same. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Changing to stay the same yeah all righty. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Constantly changing, to stay the same, that\u0026#39;s a good book title right there? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e0:48:32 - \u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOh yeah, all right there. Oh yeah, all righty, I like that Okay. \u003cbr\u003e\nThanks, Dan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay now next week, I know you\u0026#39;re gone next week we\u0026#39;re on our way to Nashville for our upgrade, our lube job, whatever. Uh-huh, so two weeks, okay two weeks. Okay, bye. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e0:48:52 - \u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThanks, Dan Bye. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, Dan shares his journey from recovering in snowy Toronto to basking in the Arizona sunshine at Canyon Ranch. While battling a cold and back spasm in Canada, He found unexpected humor in a limousine driver discovering our heated driveway before making my way to the warmth of Tucson.\r\n\r\nAt Canyon Ranch, I read historical British Navy novels and attended Richard Rossi's conference, where conversations sparked insights about technology's role in our world. The discussions centered on how companies like Google and Apple influence geographic naming conventions and how AI tools like ChatGPT and Claude work to match human capabilities rather than surpass them.\r\n\r\nWe explored the relationship between technology and daily life, from electric vehicles to meal delivery services. These conversations highlighted how technological advances aim to streamline our routines while acknowledging the challenge of replicating genuine human experiences.\r\n\r\nThe experience reinforced that technology offers convenience and efficiency but cannot replace authentic human connections and experiences. This balance became clear through examples like distinguishing between Bach's original compositions and AI-generated music, reminding us of technology's role as a tool rather than a replacement for human interaction.","date_published":"2025-02-19T07:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/0c21956f-2714-48dc-aca2-748971204d48.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":47339262,"duration_in_seconds":2933}]},{"id":"12d9bda5-28c0-4d0b-ae07-9ae2efb09d49","title":"Ep145: Exploring Judicial Systems and Economic Models  ","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/145","content_text":"In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we explore how government assets could reshape public spending and economic growth. The discussion stems from Thomas Sowell's analysis of U.S. government land value. It extends to real-world examples of public-private partnerships, including Toronto's LCBO real estate deals and Chicago's parking meter agreement with a Saudi entity.\n\nDan and I delve into the relationship between constitutional rights and entrepreneurship, drawing from my upcoming book. The American Bill of Rights creates unique conditions that foster business innovation and self-initiative, offering an interesting contrast to Canada's legal framework. This comparison opens up a broader discussion about judicial appointments and the role of government in supporting individual potential.\n\nThe conversation shifts to the transformative impact of AI on content creation and decision-making. I share my experience with tools like Perplexity and Notebook LM, which are changing how we gather information and refine our writing. Integrating AI into daily workflows highlights the significant changes we can expect over the next quarter century.\n\nLooking ahead, We reflect on future podcast topics and the lessons learned from blending traditional insights with AI capabilities. This combination offers new perspectives on personal development and professional growth, suggesting exciting possibilities for how we'll work and create in the years ahead.\n\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\n\n   We delve into the market value of U.S. government-owned land, discussing Thomas Sowell's article and the potential benefits of selling such land to alleviate government spending.\n    Our conversation covers various government and private sector interactions, including Toronto’s LCBO real estate deal and Chicago’s parking meter agreement with a Saudi-owned company.\n    We explore Macquarie's business model in Australia, focusing on their ownership of airports and toll roads, and consider the efficiency of underutilized government buildings in Washington D.C.\n    The Bill of Rights plays a crucial role in fostering entrepreneurship in the U.S., and I discuss insights from my upcoming book on how these constitutional liberties encourage self-initiative and capitalism.\n    We compare the judicial appointment processes in the U.S. and Canada, highlighting the differences in how each country's legal system impacts entrepreneurship and individual freedoms.\n    The importance of creating patentable processes and legal ownership of capabilities is discussed, along with the idea that true leadership involves developing new capabilities.\n    Our collaborative book project \"Casting, Not Hiring\" is structured like a theatrical play, with a focus on the innovative 4x4 casting tool, drawing parallels between theater and entrepreneurship.\n    AI's transformative power in creative processes is highlighted, with tools like Perplexity and Notebook LM enhancing convenience and refining writing techniques.\n    We reflect on the long-term impact of AI on writing and creativity, and consider its implications for future podcast episodes and personal and professional growth.\n    Our discussion on constitutional rights touches on how they shape the future of entrepreneurship, drawing contrasts between the U.S. and Canadian approaches to law and governance.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean: Mr Sullivan. \n\nDan: Yes indeed. I beat you by 10 seconds. \n\nDean: I beat you by 10 seconds. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah. \n\nDean: Well, there you go. That's a good way to end the year, right there. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: Not that it's a contest. \n\nDan: I was looking at an interesting article this morning from yesterday's Wall Street Journal by Thomas Sowell. I don't know if you know Thomas Sowell. No, yeah, he's probably the foremost conservative thinker in the United States. Okay, I think he's 90-ish, sort of around 90. He's been a professor at many universities and started off in his teenage years as a Marxist, as a lot of teenagers do, and before they learn how to count and and before they learn math the moment you learn math, you can't be a Marxist anymore and and anyway he writes and he just said how much all the land that the US government owns in the 50 states is equal to 1.4 trillion dollars. \n\nIf you put a market value on it, it's 1.4 trillion dollars. I bet that's true wow and the problem is it costs them about that much money to maintain it, most of it for no reason at all. And he was just suggesting that, if Elon and Vivek are looking for a place to get some money and also stop spending, start with the property that the US government owns and sell it off. \n\nDean: That's interesting I'm often Two things. \n\nDan: Two things they get money coming in, yeah. And the other thing is they don't spend money maintaining it. Yeah, but it's 20, 25% of the land area of the US is actually owned, I guess owned, controlled by the US government. And you know there was a neat trick that was done here in Toronto and I don't think you'd be aware of it but the LCBO, liquor Control Board of Ontario. So in Ontario all the liquor is controlled by the government. The government is actually the LCBO is the largest importer of alcoholic beverages in the world. \n\nDean: Wow. \n\nDan: Nobody controls the amount of liquor well, and I. I just wonder if that's one of the reasons why you moved to Florida to get away from the government. \n\nDean: Control of liquor they're a single payer, a single pay system. \n\nDan: I just wondered if yeah, I just wondered if that on your list of besides nicer weather. \n\nDean: I thought maybe you know being in control of your own liquor. I always found it funny that you could. You know you can buy alcohol and beer in 7-Eleven. \n\nDan: I always thought that was interesting right. \n\nDean: Just pick up a little traveler to go, you know when you're getting your gas and that six-pack yeah. \n\nDan: So, anyway, they had their headquarters, which was right down on Lakeshore, down in the, I would say, sort of Jarvis area, if you think of Jarvis and Lakeshore, down in the I would say sort of Jarvis area, if you think. \n\nDean: Jarvis and. \n\nDan: Lakeshore and maybe a little bit further west. But they took up a whole block there and they traded with a developer and what they did they said you can have our block with the building on it. You have to preserve part of it because it's a historical building. I mean, you can gut it and you can, you know, build, but yeah, there's a facade that we want you to keep because it's historic and and what we want you to do is and this developer already had a block adjacent to the LCBO property and they said we want a new headquarters, so we'll give you the block If you and your skyscraper it's a huge skyscraper. \n\nWe want this much space in it for free. And they made a trade and the developer went for it. \n\nDean: And I bet. \n\nDan: That's an interesting kind of deal. That's an interesting kind of deal where government yeah, yeah and, but somebody was telling me it was really funny. I'm trying to think where it was. Where were we, where were we? I'm just trying to think where we weren't in. We weren't in Toronto, it'll come to me. We were in Chicago. So Chicago, the parking meters are all owned by Saudi Arabia. \n\nDean: Right. \n\nDan: Yeah, or a company that's owned by Saudi Arabia. Let me think One of the many princes and they paid the city of Chicago flat check. They paid him $1.5 billion for all the parking meters in Chicago and Chicago, you know, has been in financial trouble forever. So one and a half billion, one and a half billion dollars, but they make 400 million a year for the next 50 years. Oh, wow. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's pretty wild. \n\nDan: I think that was a bad deal, I think that was a bad deal. Yeah, that's amazing, you got to know your math. \n\nDean: Well, I know there's a company in Australia called Macquarie and they own airports and toll roads primarily, ports and toll roads primarily. And that's really that's what it is right is they have long-term government contracts where they uh, you know they own the assets and the government leases them from them, or they get the right, they build the, they build the toll road and they get the money for the toll. They can operate it as a for-profit venture. Really kind of interesting. \n\nDan: It brings up an interesting scenario which I think that Trump is thinking about, plus Elon and Vivek is thinking about plus Elon and Vivek, that so many of the buildings in Washington DC the government buildings, except for the one percent of workers who actually show up for work every day are virtually, are virtually empty, and so so there's some, it's almost like they need a VCR audit. \n\nDean: So it's almost like they need a VCR audit. I mean, that's really what it is. All these things are underutilized capabilities and capacity, you know that's really that's sort of a big thing. \n\nDan: But I think it occurred to me that bureaucracy period. It occurred to me that bureaucracy period this would be corporate bureaucracy, government bureaucracy. Those are the two big ones. But then many other kinds of organizations that are long-term organizations, that have become like big foundations, are probably just pure bureaucracy. You know, harvard University is probably just a big bureaucracy. They have an endowment of $60 billion, their endowment, and they have to spend 5% of that every year. That's the requirement under charity laws that you have to spend 5% of that every year. \n\nThat's the requirement under charity laws that you have to spend 5% and on that basis every Harvard student probably the entire university wouldn't have to charge anything. \n\nDean: That's interesting. I had a friend, a neighbor, who did something similarly put his um, I put sold the company and put, I think, 50 million dollars in. I think it was called the charitable remainder trust where the, the 50 million went into the trust and he as the uh, whatever you know administrator or whoever the the beneficiary gets of the trust is gets five percent a year of uh yeah, of the um the trust and that's his retirement income. I guess I understand. \n\nDan: I understand income. I don't understand retirement income right exactly well for him it is kind of retirement income. \n\nDean: He just plays golf. Exactly Well, for him it is kind of retirement. Yeah yeah, he just plays golf, yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, he's sort of in the departure lounge. He's on the way to the departure lounge. I think the moment you retire or think about retirement, the parts go back to the universe, I think that's actually I'm, I'm, it's partially. \n\nDean: Uh, he does angel investing, uh, so that's yeah, so he's still probably probably on boards yeah, but I don't consider that? \n\nDan: yeah, I don't really consider that. On entrepreneurism no you know, I don't think you're creating anything new, right? Yeah, it's very interesting. I'm writing, I just am outlining this morning my book for the quarter. So the book I'm just finishing, which is called Growing Great Leadership, will go to the press February 1st. \n\nDean: Nice. \n\nDan: So we're just putting the finishing touches on. We've got two sections and then some you know artwork packaging to do and then it probably goes off to the printer around the 20th of January. It takes about five weeks for them to turn it around. But the next one is very interesting. It's called the Bill of Rights Economy. So this relates and refers to the US Constitution. \n\nAnd in the first paragraph of the Constitution. It says that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land, so it's supreme over everything in the United States. It's supreme over the presidency, it's supreme over Congress, it's supreme over the Supreme Court, and so that strikes me as a big deal, would you say? I'd say yes, yeah, yeah, and. But the real heart of the Constitution, what really gives it teeth, are the first 10 amendments, and which are called the Bill of Rights, so it's one through 10. First one speech, second one guns. And then they have commerce and things related to your legal rights. And what I've done is I've looked into it and I've looked at those first 10 amendments, and it strikes me that the reason why the US is an entrepreneurial country is specifically because of those first 10 amendments, that it gives a maximum amount of freedom to self-initiative, to people who want to go out and do something on their own, start something and everything else. First 10 amendments so what. \n\nI'm doing is I'm analyzing five freedoms and advantages that are given to entrepreneurs from each of the 10. There will be 50 advantages. So that's what my next book is about, and my sense is that those entrepreneurs who are not clear-minded about capitalism would have to do one of two things if they read the next book. They'll either have to get rid of their socialist thoughts or they'll have to stop being an entrepreneur. \n\nDean: That's interesting. You know this whole. I love things like that when you're anchoring them to you know historical things. \n\nDan: I don't know if I can name. I don't know if I can. Well, you can name the first one. It's the right of speech and assembly. \n\nDean: Yeah speech, and then the second is to bear arms Gun ownership, gun ownership yeah. Yeah. \n\nDan: And it goes on. I'll have to get the list out and go down there, but that's what holds the country together and you know it's a very brief document. It's about 5,000 words the entire document. It starts to finish about 5,000 words and you could easily read it in an hour. You could read the whole Constitution in an hour. \n\nDean: It's a pocket companion. Yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: I've seen them like little things that you put in your pocket and one of the things that strikes me about it is that in 1787, that's when it was adapted, and then it took two years to really form the government. 1789 is when washington, the he was elected in 1788 and the election he's sworn in as president 1789. If you typed it out with the original document, typed it out in you know typewriter paper and you know single space, it would be 23 pages, 23 pages. And today, if you were to type it out, it would be 27 pages. They've added four pages 200. \n\nYeah, so in 235 years to 237 years it's pretty tight, yeah, and so and that's what keeps the country, the way the country is constantly growing and you know maximum amount of variety and you know all sorts of new things can happen is that they have this very, very simple supreme law right at the center, and there's no other country on the planet that has that that's a. \n\nDean: That's pretty. Uh, what's the closest? I guess? What's the? I mean Canada must have. \n\nDan: Canada's has been utterly taken away from that? Yeah, but that can be overridden at any time by the Supreme Court of Canada who by the way, is appointed by the prime minister. So you know, in the United States the Supreme Court justice is nominated yeah. \n\nNo dominated, nominated by the president but approved by the Senate. So the other two branches have the say. So here it's the prime minister. The prime minister does it, and I was noticing the current Supreme Court Justice Wagner said that he doesn't see that there's much need anymore to be publishing what Canadian laws were before 1959. \n\nDean: Oh really. \n\nDan: Yeah, and that's the difference between Canada and the United States, because everything, almost every Supreme Court justice, they're going right back to the beginning and say what was the intent here of the people who put the Constitution together? Yeah, and that is the radical difference between the two parties in the. United States. So anyway, just tell you what I've been up to on my Christmas vacation. \n\nDean: Oh, that's so funny. Well, we've been having some adventures over here. I came up with a subtitle for my Imagine If you Applied Yourself book and it was based on, you had said last time we talked right Like we were talking about this idea of your driving question and you thought I did. I don't know, yeah yeah you brought it, you said sort of how far can I go? \n\nDan: yeah, well, that's not my driving question, that's no, no question, no yeah somebody else brought up the whole issue of driving question. You mentioned somebody yeah chad, chad did yeah, jenkins chad, jenkins chad jenkins right right right, yeah, uh. \n\nDean: So it reminded me as soon as I got off. I had the words come uh. How far could you go if you did what you know? That could be the subtitle. Imagine if you applied yourself that's. \n\nDan: That's kind of interesting how far could you? Maximize, if you maximize what you already know yeah I mean, that's really what holds. \n\nDean: I think what holds people back more than not knowing what to do is not doing what they know to do. That that's I think, the, that's the uh, I think that's the driving thing. \n\nDan: So they're held in play. They're held in place. You mean by? \n\nDean: yeah, I think that's it that they're in about maybe I'm only looking at it through where do you see that anywhere in your life? \n\nDan: I see everywhere in my life that I see it everywhere in my life, that's the whole thing, in my life. \n\nDean: Right Is that that executive function? That's the definition of executive function disability, let's call it. You know, as Russell Barkley would say, that that's the thing is knowing, knowing what to do and just not not doing it. You know, not being able to do it. \n\nDan: Yeah. And to the extent that you can solve that, well, that's I think that's the how far you can go here's a question Is there part of what you know that always moves you forward? \n\nDean: Yeah, I guess there always is. Yeah, well then, you're not held, then you're not held. \n\nDan: You just have to focus on what part of what you know is important. \n\nDean: Yes, exactly, I think that's definitely right. Yeah, I thought that was an interesting. \n\nDan: For example, I am absolutely convinced that for the foreseeable future, that if you a, a dollar is made in the united states and spent in canada, things are good. \n\nDean: Things are good I think you're absolutely right, especially in the direction it's going right now. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's up 10 cents in the last three months. 10 cents, one-tenth of a dollar. \n\nDean: You know 10 cents. \n\nDan: So it was $1.34 on October 1st and it's $1.44 right now. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: And I don't see it changing as a matter of fact fact. You should see the literature up here. Since trump said maybe canada is just the 51st state, you should see this is the high topic of discussion in canada right now how is it? \n\nDean: would we be? \n\nDan: would we be better off? I mean there there's an a large percentage something like 15, 15% would prefer it. But you know he's Shark Tank person, kevin O'Leary, canadian. \n\nDean: He's from Alberta. \n\nDan: And he said that what they should do is just create a common economy, not politically so Canada is still really, really political. Not politically just economically, Politically. Well, it is already. I mean, to a certain extent it's crossed an enormous amount of trade, but still you have to stop at the border. Here there would be no stopping at the border and that if you were an American, you could just move to Canada and if you were a Canadian you could just move. \n\nDean: Kind of like the EU was the thought of the European Union. \n\nDan: Yeah, but that didn't really work because they all hated each other. \n\nDean: They all hated each other. \n\nDan: They've been nonstop at war for the last 3,000 years, and they speak different languages, but the US I mean. When Americans come for their strategic coach program, they come up here and they say it's just like the States and I said not quite, not quite. I said it's about on the clock. It's about the clock. It's about an hour off. You name the topic, Canadians will have a different point of view on whatever the topic is. \n\nBut I'm not saying this is going to happen. I'm just saying that Trump, just saying one thing, has ignited a firestorm of discussion. And why is it that we're lagging so badly? \n\nAnd, of course, it looks now like as soon as Parliament comes back after the break, which is not until, think, the 25th of January, there will be a vote of confidence that the liberals lose, and then the governor general will say you have to form a new government, therefore we have to have an election. So probably we're looking middle of March, maybe middle of March. End of March there'll be a new government new prime minister and Harvard will have a new professor. \n\nDean: Ah, there you go, I saw, that that's what happens. \n\nDan: That's what happens to real bad liberal prime ministers. They become professors at Harvard or bad mayors in Toronto, david. \n\nDean: Miller, he was the mayor here. \n\nDan: I think he's a professor at Harvard. And there was one of the premiers, the liberal premier of Ontario. He's at Harvard. Oh wow, wow, wow. Anyway, yeah, or he'll go to Davos and he'll sit on the World Oversight Board. \n\nDean: Oh boy, I just saw Peter Zion was talking about the Canadian, the lady who just quit. \n\nDan: And I don't understand him at all, because I think she's an idiot. \n\nDean: Okay, that's interesting because he was basically saying she may be the smartest person in Canada. \n\nDan: I think she's an idiot. Okay, and she's the finance minister. So all the trouble we're in, at least some of it, has to be laid at her door. Interesting. \n\nDean: Is Pierre Polyev still the frontrunner? \n\nDan: Oh yeah, He'll be the prime minister, yeah. \n\nDean: Smart guy. \n\nDan: I was in personal conversation with him for a breakfast about six years ago Very smart. Oh wow, very smart. \n\nDean: Yeah, seems sharp from Alberta. \n\nDan: He's French. He's French speaking, but he's an orphan from an English family. Or it might have been a French mother. He's an orphan, but he was adopted into a French speaking family. So to be Alberta and be French speaking, that's kind of a unique combination. Yeah, very interesting. Yeah, but it's a hard country to hold together and, uh, you know, peter zion and many different podcasts just said that it's very, very hard to keep the country together. It takes all the strength of the federal government just to keep things unified. \n\nDean: Well, because everybody wants to leave. Yeah, exactly, everybody looks at. I mean you really have, you've got the Maritimes in Quebec, ontario, the West, and then BC, the Prairies and then BC. \n\nDan: So there's five and they don't have that much to do with each other. Each of them has more to do with the states that are south of them, quebec has enormous trade with New York. \n\nOntario has trade with New York, with Pennsylvania, with Ohio, with Michigan, all the Great Lakes states, every one of them. Their trade is much more with the US that's south of them, and Alberta would be the most, because they trade all the way down to the Gulf of Mexico, because their pipelines go all the way down to have you ever been to Nunavut or Yukon? \n\nDean: Have you ever been? \n\nDan: Dan to Nunavut or Yukon I haven't been to. I've been to Great Slave Lake, which is in the what used to be called the Northwest Territories, and on the east I've been to Frobisher Bay, which is in the eastern part, you know of the territories way up. \n\nDean: Labrador Closer to. \n\nDan: Greenland it up closer, closer to greenland. That's, yeah, actually closer closer to greenland, yeah, well, that's where you were born. Right, you were born up there, newfoundland right, newfoundland, yeah well this is above newfoundland. This would be above newfoundland, yeah yeah that's. That's what we used to call eskimo territory. Yeah, that's what we used to call Eskimo territory. That's so funny. \n\nDean: That's funny, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, shifting gears. We've been having some interesting conversations about VCR this week and it's particularly trying to get a you know how, defining vision. And, of course, for somebody listening for the first time, we're talking about the VCR formula vision plus capability multiplied by reach. \n\nAnd so part of this thing is going through the process of identifying your VCR assets, right CR assets as currency, software or sheet music, where, if you think like we're going down the path of thinking about vision as a capability that people have or a trait that you might, that's, I think, when people start talking about the VCR formula, they're thinking about vision as a aptitude or a trait or a ability that somebody has, the ability to see things that other people don't see, and that may be true. There is some element of some people are more visionary than others, but that doesn't fully account for what the asset of a vision is, and I think that the vision, an asset, a vision as an asset, is something that can amplify an outcome. So I think about somebody might be musical and they might have perfect pitch and they may be able to carry a tune and hum some interesting chord progressions, but the pinnacle asset of vision in a musical context would be a copywritten sheet music that is transferable to someone else. \n\nSo it's kind of like the evolution is taking your vision. So it's kind of like the evolution is taking your vision. But you know, the apex asset of a vision would be a patentable process that you patent. That you have as both an acknowledgement that it's yours, it's property, and as protection for anybody else. You know it locks in its uniqueness, you know. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, I mean, the greatest capability is property of some sort. I mean in other words, that you have a legal monopoly to it. You don't nobody's got a legal monopoly division and nobody's got a legal monopoly to reach but they do have a legal. \n\nUh, so I I go for the middle one, I go for the c the book I'm writing right now, the book I'm just finishing, which is called growing great leadership is that anyone who develops a new capability is actually the leader. Okay, papa, and the reason and what I've said is that you can be a leader just by always increasing your own personal capability. The moment that you look at something and then you set a goal for being able to do something, either new, or doing something better. Other people observe you and also you start getting different results with a new capability and that's observed by other people. \n\nThey say, hey, let's pay attention to what he's doing In my book I said any human being is capable of doing that. It's not leading other people. It's creating a capability that leads other people, that gives them a sense of direction. It gives them a sense of confidence gives them a sense of purpose. So I always focus on the capability. One of the things is we're starting in January, it'll be next week we're starting quarterly 4x4 casting tools, the one we did in the last FreeZone. \n\nAnd so the whole program says in the first month of each quarter, so January, april and then July and then October. If you do your 4x4 that month and then type it up and post it to a common site, so we'll have a common site where everybody's 4x4, you get $250. You get $250. And you get it at the next payday at the end of the quarter. So you get the money right away. And you get it at the next payday at the end of the quarter. So you get the money right away and it's not mandatory but um, if you don't do it. \n\nIt will be noticed, so explain that again. \n\nDean: So, well, they get the cheat today, they, they get the forms. So this is the entire everybody everybody in the company, the entire team. \n\nDan: Yes, Including myself. Including myself. Okay, and so we're starting a new quarter on Wednesday. Back to work on the 7th. On the 6th we're back to work, and then on the 7th we have a company meeting where we said we're announcing this program. And they've all done the form, so they did it in September. \n\nAnd they fill in the form. You know how your performance, what your performance looks like, what your results look like being a hero, and you're aware that you drive other people crazy in this way and you're watching yourself so you don't drive other people crazy. And then you fill that in. There are 16 boxes. You fill it in. It's custom designed just to what you're doing. And then there's a writable PDF. You type it up and then you post it to a site. \n\nOn the 31st of January, we look at all the posted 4x4s and everybody who posted gets $250. \n\nDean: Okay, okay, wow. \n\nDan: Very interesting, then we're going to watch what happens as a result of this and the thing I say is that I think we're creating a super simple structure and process for a company becoming more creative and productive, which the only activity is required is that you update this every quarter. \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: And then we'll watch to see who updates it every quarter and then we'll see what other structures do we need, what other tools do we need to? If this has got momentum, how do we increase the momentum and everything? So we're starting. I mean we've got all the structures of the company are under management. So, uh, everybody is doing their four pi four within the context of their job description that's really interesting, wow. \n\nDean: And so that way, in its own way kind of that awareness will build its own momentum you Well we'll see. Hopefully that would be the hypothesis. \n\nDan: I'll report it. I had a great, great podcast it was Stephen Crine three weeks ago and he said this is an amazing idea because he says you make it voluntary but you get rewarded. \n\nDean: And if you don't want to take part. \n\nDan: you're sending a message, yeah. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's amazing. \n\nDan: I can't wait to see the outcome of that. Yeah, yeah, and the reason we're doing this is just my take on technology. As technology becomes overwhelming, becomes pervasive and everything else, the way humans conduct themselves has to get absolutely simple. We have to be utterly simple in how we focus our own individual role. And we have to be utterly simple in the way that we design our teamwork, because technology will infinitely complicate your life if you've got a complicated management or leadership structure. \n\nDean: And I think that that ultimate I mean I still think about the you know what you drew on the tablet there in our free zone workshop of the network versus the pyramid. The pyramid's gone. The borders are you know the borders are gone. \n\nDan: It's really just this fluid connection. I still think they exist in massive form, but I think their usefulness has declined. I wrote a little. I wrote a. I got a little file on my computer of Dan quotes. \n\nDean: And the quote is. \n\nDan: I don't think that civil servants are useless, but I think it's becoming more and more difficult for them to prove their worth. \n\nDean: No, I mean. \n\nDan: Yeah, no, their work I mean there's stuff that has to be done or society falls apart, and I got a feeling that there's civil servants very anonymous, invisible civil servants who are doing their job every day and it allows the system to work, but it's very hard for them to prove that they're really valuable. I think it's harder and harder for a government worker to accept if they're street level, I mean if they're police, if they're firemen if they're ambulance drivers, it's very easy to prove their value. \n\nBut, if you're more than three stories up, I think it gets really hard to prove your value. I wonder in that same vein, I just get this last thing. Somebody said well, how would you change government? I said the best way to do it is go to any government building, count the number of stories, go halfway up and fire everybody above halfway. \n\nDean: Oh man, that's funny, that's funny. \n\nDan: I think the closer to the ground they're probably more useful. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, you wonder. I mean they're so it's funny when you said that about proving their worth, you always have this. What came to my mind is how people have a hard time arguing for the value of the arts in schools or in society as a public thing. \n\nDan: You mean art taking place and artistic activities and that the arts, as in. \n\nDean: Yeah, as in. You know art and music and plays. And you know, yeah, it's one of those did you ever partake in those I mean? You know, I guess, to the extent in school we were exposed to music and to, you know, theater, I did not participate in theater I participated in theater. \n\nDan: I liked theater and of course the book. You've gotten a small book Casting, not Hiring. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: And Jeff and I are deep into the process now. So we have a final deadline of May 26 for Casting, not Hiring it's going really well. Deadline of May 26 for Casting Not Hiring it's going really well and we worked out a real teamwork that he's writing the whole theater, part of it and I'm writing the whole entrepreneurial. I just finished a chapter in one week last week. And it's right on the four by four. \n\nSo you got um entrepreneurism as theater, as the one major topic in the book and the four by four casting tool as the other part of the book, so it's two things. So I'm focusing on my part and he's focusing on my part, and then uh, process for this here compared to how you're doing your regular books. \n\nDean: You say you wrote a chapter. What's your process for that? \n\nDan: Well, first of all, I laid out the whole structure. The first thing I do is I just arbitrarily lay out a structure for the book and, strangely enough, we're actually using the structure of a play as the structure of the book. So okay, it has three parts, so it's got three acts and each act has. \n\nEach part has excuse me, I have to walk into another room. I'm actually probably even visualize this, and I'm walking into our pantry here and this is in the basement and I just got a nice Fiji water sitting right in front of me. Absolutely cold. There, you go, it's been waiting for six months for me to do this? \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: And what I do. I just do the structure and so I just put names. I just put names into it and then we go back and forth. Jeff and I go back and forth, but we agree that it's going to have three parts and 12 chapters. It'll have an introduction, introduction, and it'll have a conclusion. So there'll be 14 parts and it'll have, you know, probably be all told, 160 to 200 pages, and then 200 pages and um, and then um. We identify what, how the parts are different to each other. \n\nSo the first part is basically why theater and entrepreneurism resemble each other. Okay, and jeff has vast knowledge because for 50 years he's been doing both. He's been doing both of them, and I'm just focusing on the 4x4. So the first 4x4 is, and you can download the tool in the book. \n\nSo it'll be illustrated in the book and you can download it and do it. And first of all we just start with the owner of the company and I have one whole chapter and that explains what the owner of the company is going to be and the whole thing about the 454. \n\nThe owner has to do it twice, has to do it first, fill it all in and then share it with everybody in the company and said this is my commitment to my role in the company, okay. And then the next chapter, with everybody in the company and said this is my commitment to my role in the company, okay. And then the next chapter is everybody in the company doing it. \n\nAnd then the third chapter is about how, the more the people do their forebite for the more, the more ownership they take over their role in the company and the more ownership they take over their part in the company and the more ownership they take over their part in teamwork OK, and then the fourth part is suddenly, as you do these things, you're more and more like a theater company. The more you use the four by four, the more you're like a theater company. And that loops back to the beginning of the book, what Jeff's writing. So anyway, very interesting. \n\nYeah, fortunately, we had the experience of creating the small book. So we created the small book, which was about 70 pages, and we used that to get the contract with the publisher. They read the whole book and rather than sending in a page of ideas about a book and trying to sell it on that basis, I said just write a book and give them a book. It's a small book that's going to become a big book. Right, that's how I did it. Oh, I like it. You know, about those small books. \n\nDean: I do indeed know about those small books. I do indeed know about those small books. Yes, I think that's funny. So are you your part? Are you talking it? Are you interviewing? \n\nDan: No, writing writing. \n\nDean: So you're actually writing. So you're actually writing. Yeah, and I've had a tremendous breakthrough. \n\nDan: I've had a tremendous breakthrough on this, and so I started with Chapter 10 because I wanted to get the heart of the idea. Is that what it does the application of the 4x4 to an entire company. And of course, we're launching this project to see if what we're saying is true. And so I end up with a fast filter. This is the best result, worst result. And then here are the five success factors. Okay, then I look at the success factors, I write them out, I take three of them and I do a triple play on them, on the three success factors, which gives me three pink boxes and three green boxes, and then I come back with that material and then I start the chapter applying that material to the outline for the chapter. And then I get finished that task filter and I add a lot of copy to it. \n\nAnd then I have a layout of the actual book. I have a page layout, so in that process I'll produce about two full pages Of copy. \n\nDean: I take it. \n\nDan: And I pop it in. I've done that five times this week and I have ten pages of copy and I said we're good enough. We're good enough, now, let's go to another chapter. So that's how I'm doing it and and uh, yeah, so I've got a real process because I'm I'm doing it independently with another member of the team and he's. \n\nJeff has his own ways of writing his books. You, you know, I mean, he's a writer, he writes, plays, he writes, you know he writes and everything like that. So we don't want to have any argument about technique or you know, any conflict of technique. I'm going to do mine. \n\nDean: He's going to do mine, Right right. \n\nDan: And then we're looking for a software program that will take all the copy and sort of create a common style, taking his style and my style and creating a common style well, that might be charlotte I mean really no, that's what that, that's what the uh, that's what I think it would be. \n\nDean: Exactly that is is if you said to Charlotte, take these two. I'm going to upload two different things and I'd like you to combine one cohesive writing style to these. \n\nDan: Oh good, yeah, that would be something. \n\nDean: Yeah, I think that would be something yeah, I think that would be, uh, that would be amazing, and because you already, as long as you're both writing in in you know, second person second person, personal, or whatever your, your preferred style is right, like that's the thing. I think that would be, I think that would be very good, it would be good, I'd be happy because he writes intelligently and I write intelligently. \n\nDan: Is she for hire? Do you have her freelancing at all? \n\nDean: Dan, I had the funniest interaction with her. I was saying I'm going to create an avatar for her and I was asking her. I said you know, charlotte, I think I'm going to create an avatar for you and I'm wondering you know, what color hair do you think would look good for you? Oh, that's interesting. Look good for you, it's. Oh, that's interesting. \n\nDan: I think maybe a a warm brown or a vibrant auburn oh yeah, vibrant auburn. Yeah, this is great and I thought you know I? I said no, I suspected she'd go towards red. \n\nDean: Yeah, exactly, and I thought you know that's uh. Then I was chatting with a friend, uh yesterday about I was going through this process and, uh, you know, we said I think that she would have like an asymmetric bob hairstyle kind of thing, and we just looked up the thing and it's Sharon Osbourne is the look of what I believe Charlotte has is she's she's like a Sharon Osbourne type of, uh of look and I think that's that's so funny, you know what was uh the the handler for James Bond back when he? \n\nwas shot in. \n\nDan: Connery Moneypenny, right Moneypenny yeah. Look up the actress Moneypenny. I suspect you're on the same track if you look at the original Moneypenny. \n\nDean: Okay. \n\nDan: Of course she had a South London voice too. \n\nDean: Yeah, isn't that funny, moneypenny. Let's see her. Yes. \n\nDan: I think you're right. That's exactly right. Very funny right? Oh, I think this is great. I think, this is, I think, there's. It would be very, very interesting if you asked a hundred men. You know the question that you're, you know the conversation you're having with Charlotte, the thing. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: It'd be interesting to see if there was a style that came out, a look that dominated. Yeah, men came out. \n\nDean: Yeah, I think it is. \n\nDan: Ever since I was a kid, I've been fascinated with redheads. Okay yeah, real redheads, not dyed redheads, but someone who's an? Actual redhead. And I'll just stop and watch them. Just stop and stop and watch them. When I was a little kid I said look, look look and there aren't a lot of them. There aren't a lot of them. You know, they're very rare and it's mostly Northern Europe. That's right. \n\nDean: That's so funny. Scottish yes, that's right, that's so funny. \n\nDan: Scottish yes, irish have it. \n\nDean: That's right. As you remember, I was married to a redhead for a long time. Yeah, super smart. But that's funny, though, having this persona visual for Charlotte as a redhead yeah. Braintap a really interesting topic. I was talking to. \n\nDan: It was just a discussion in one of the parties about AI and I said the more interesting topic to me is not what, not so much what the machine is thinking or how the machine goes about thinking. What really interests me is that if you have frequent interaction with a congenial machine in other words, a useful congenial machine how does your thinking change and what have you noticed so far? \n\nDean: Well, I think that having this visual will help that for me. I've said like I still haven't, I still don't. \n\nDan: Materialized very completely. You haven't materialized. \n\nDean: Yeah, I haven't exactly in my mind Like if that was, if Moneypenny was sitting three feet from me at all times, she would just be part of my daily conversation part of my wondering conversation. \n\nRight part of my wondering and now that, uh, now that she's got access to real-time info like if they're up to date, now they can search the internet right. So that was the latest upgrade. That it wasn't. It's not just limited to 2023 or whatever. The most updated version, they've got access to everything now. Um, so, to be able to, you know, I asked her during the holidays or whatever. I asked her is, uh, you know, the day after I asked this is is honey open today in Winter Haven? And she was, you know, able to look it up and see it looks like they're open and that was yeah, so just this kind of thing. \n\nI think anything I could search if I were to ask her. You know, hey, what time is such and such movie playing in that studio movie grill today? That would be helpful, right, like to be able to just integrate it into my day-to-day. It would be very good. \n\nDan: The biggest thing I know is that I almost have what I would say a trained reaction to any historical event, or even if it's current, you know it's in the news, or that I immediately go to perplexity and said tell me 10 crucial facts about this. And you know, three seconds later it tells me that 10. And more and more I don't go to Google at all. That's one thing. I just stopped going to Google at all because they'll send me articles on the topic, and now you've created work for me. Perplexity saves me work. Google makes me work. \n\nBut the interesting thing is I've got a file it's about 300 little articles now that have just come from me asking the question, but they all start with the word 10 or the number 10, 10 facts about interesting and that before I respond you know, intellectually or emotionally to something I read, I get 10 facts about this and then kind of make up my mind, and of course you can play with the prompt. You can say tell me 10 reasons why this might not be true, or tell me 10 things that are telling us this is probably going to be true. So it's all in the prompt and you know the prompt is the prompt and the answer is the answer yeah and everything. \n\nBut it allows me to think. And the other thing I'm starting with this book, I'm starting to use Notebook LM. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: So this chapter I got to have Alex Varley. He's a Brit and he was with us here in Toronto for about five years and now he's back in Britain, he's part of our British team and he's got a looser schedule right now. So I say by the end, by May, I want to find five different AI programs that I find useful for my writing. So he's going to take every one of my chapters and then put it into Notebook LM and it comes back as a conversation between two people and I just sit there and I listen to it and I'll note whether they really got the essence of what I was trying to get across or needs a little more. \n\nSo I'll go back then, and from listening as I call it, you know, google is just terrible at naming things. I mean, they're just uh terrible and I would call it eavesdropping, lm eavesdropping that they're taking your writing and they're talking about it. You're eavesdropping. They're taking your writing and they're talking about it. \n\nDean: You're eavesdropping on what they're saying about your writing. What a great test to see, almost like pre-readers or whatever to see. \n\nDan: It's like the best possible focus group that you can possibly get. \n\nDean: I like that yeah. Very good. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: But, it's just interesting how I'm, you know, but I've just focused on one thing with AI, I just make my writing faster, easier and better. That's all. I want the AAM to do, because writing is just a very central activity for me. \n\nDean: Yeah, and that's not going anywhere. I mean, it's still gonna be. Uh, that's the next 25 years that was. You can make some very firm predictions on this one that's what, uh, I think next, Dan, that would be a good. As we're moving into 2025, I would love to do maybe a prediction episode for the next 25 years reflection and projection. \n\nDan: You take the week of my 100th birthday, which is 19 and a half years now, I could pretty well tell you 80% what I'm doing the week on my 100th birthday. I can't wait that would be a good topic. \n\nDean: I was just going to say let's lock this in, because you'll be celebrating is Charlotte listening? \n\nDan: is Charlotte listening now? No, she's not, but she should be say let's lock this in because you'll be celebrating charlotte. Is charlotte listening? Is charlotte listening now? \n\nDean: no, she's not, but she should be oh no, give her a. \n\nDan: Just say next week, charlotte remind me. Oh yeah, no I'll remember. \n\nDean: I'll remember because it's okay, it's my actual this week and this is my, this is the next few days for me is really thinking this through, because I I like, um, I've had some really good insights. Uh, just thinking that way uh yeah, so there you go. Good, well, it's all, that was a fast hour. \n\nDan: That was a fast it really was. \n\nDean: I was going to bring that up, but uh, but uh yeah we had other interesting topics, but for sure we'll do it next week yeah, good okay, dan okay I'll talk to you. Bye. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we explore how government assets could reshape public spending and economic growth. The discussion stems from Thomas Sowell\u0026#39;s analysis of U.S. government land value. It extends to real-world examples of public-private partnerships, including Toronto\u0026#39;s LCBO real estate deals and Chicago\u0026#39;s parking meter agreement with a Saudi entity.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eDan and I delve into the relationship between constitutional rights and entrepreneurship, drawing from my upcoming book. The American Bill of Rights creates unique conditions that foster business innovation and self-initiative, offering an interesting contrast to Canada\u0026#39;s legal framework. This comparison opens up a broader discussion about judicial appointments and the role of government in supporting individual potential.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe conversation shifts to the transformative impact of AI on content creation and decision-making. I share my experience with tools like Perplexity and Notebook LM, which are changing how we gather information and refine our writing. Integrating AI into daily workflows highlights the significant changes we can expect over the next quarter century.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eLooking ahead, We reflect on future podcast topics and the lessons learned from blending traditional insights with AI capabilities. This combination offers new perspectives on personal development and professional growth, suggesting exciting possibilities for how we\u0026#39;ll work and create in the years ahead.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul style=\"list-style-type: circle;\"\u003e\n\u003c/center\u003e\n   \u003cli\u003eWe delve into the market value of U.S. government-owned land, discussing Thomas Sowell's article and the potential benefits of selling such land to alleviate government spending.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eOur conversation covers various government and private sector interactions, including Toronto’s LCBO real estate deal and Chicago’s parking meter agreement with a Saudi-owned company.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe explore Macquarie's business model in Australia, focusing on their ownership of airports and toll roads, and consider the efficiency of underutilized government buildings in Washington D.C.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eThe Bill of Rights plays a crucial role in fostering entrepreneurship in the U.S., and I discuss insights from my upcoming book on how these constitutional liberties encourage self-initiative and capitalism.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe compare the judicial appointment processes in the U.S. and Canada, highlighting the differences in how each country's legal system impacts entrepreneurship and individual freedoms.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eThe importance of creating patentable processes and legal ownership of capabilities is discussed, along with the idea that true leadership involves developing new capabilities.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eOur collaborative book project \"Casting, Not Hiring\" is structured like a theatrical play, with a focus on the innovative 4x4 casting tool, drawing parallels between theater and entrepreneurship.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eAI's transformative power in creative processes is highlighted, with tools like Perplexity and Notebook LM enhancing convenience and refining writing techniques.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe reflect on the long-term impact of AI on writing and creativity, and consider its implications for future podcast episodes and personal and professional growth.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eOur discussion on constitutional rights touches on how they shape the future of entrepreneurship, drawing contrasts between the U.S. and Canadian approaches to law and governance.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Sullivan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes indeed. I beat you by 10 seconds. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I beat you by 10 seconds. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, there you go. That\u0026#39;s a good way to end the year, right there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Not that it\u0026#39;s a contest. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I was looking at an interesting article this morning from yesterday\u0026#39;s Wall Street Journal by Thomas Sowell. I don\u0026#39;t know if you know Thomas Sowell. No, yeah, he\u0026#39;s probably the foremost conservative thinker in the United States. Okay, I think he\u0026#39;s 90-ish, sort of around 90. He\u0026#39;s been a professor at many universities and started off in his teenage years as a Marxist, as a lot of teenagers do, and before they learn how to count and and before they learn math the moment you learn math, you can\u0026#39;t be a Marxist anymore and and anyway he writes and he just said how much all the land that the US government owns in the 50 states is equal to 1.4 trillion dollars. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIf you put a market value on it, it\u0026#39;s 1.4 trillion dollars. I bet that\u0026#39;s true wow and the problem is it costs them about that much money to maintain it, most of it for no reason at all. And he was just suggesting that, if Elon and Vivek are looking for a place to get some money and also stop spending, start with the property that the US government owns and sell it off. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s interesting I\u0026#39;m often Two things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Two things they get money coming in, yeah. And the other thing is they don\u0026#39;t spend money maintaining it. Yeah, but it\u0026#39;s 20, 25% of the land area of the US is actually owned, I guess owned, controlled by the US government. And you know there was a neat trick that was done here in Toronto and I don\u0026#39;t think you\u0026#39;d be aware of it but the LCBO, liquor Control Board of Ontario. So in Ontario all the liquor is controlled by the government. The government is actually the LCBO is the largest importer of alcoholic beverages in the world. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Nobody controls the amount of liquor well, and I. I just wonder if that\u0026#39;s one of the reasons why you moved to Florida to get away from the government. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Control of liquor they\u0026#39;re a single payer, a single pay system. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I just wondered if yeah, I just wondered if that on your list of besides nicer weather. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I thought maybe you know being in control of your own liquor. I always found it funny that you could. You know you can buy alcohol and beer in 7-Eleven. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I always thought that was interesting right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Just pick up a little traveler to go, you know when you\u0026#39;re getting your gas and that six-pack yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So, anyway, they had their headquarters, which was right down on Lakeshore, down in the, I would say, sort of Jarvis area, if you think of Jarvis and Lakeshore, down in the I would say sort of Jarvis area, if you think. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Jarvis and. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Lakeshore and maybe a little bit further west. But they took up a whole block there and they traded with a developer and what they did they said you can have our block with the building on it. You have to preserve part of it because it\u0026#39;s a historical building. I mean, you can gut it and you can, you know, build, but yeah, there\u0026#39;s a facade that we want you to keep because it\u0026#39;s historic and and what we want you to do is and this developer already had a block adjacent to the LCBO property and they said we want a new headquarters, so we\u0026#39;ll give you the block If you and your skyscraper it\u0026#39;s a huge skyscraper. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe want this much space in it for free. And they made a trade and the developer went for it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And I bet. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s an interesting kind of deal. That\u0026#39;s an interesting kind of deal where government yeah, yeah and, but somebody was telling me it was really funny. I\u0026#39;m trying to think where it was. Where were we, where were we? I\u0026#39;m just trying to think where we weren\u0026#39;t in. We weren\u0026#39;t in Toronto, it\u0026#39;ll come to me. We were in Chicago. So Chicago, the parking meters are all owned by Saudi Arabia. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, or a company that\u0026#39;s owned by Saudi Arabia. Let me think One of the many princes and they paid the city of Chicago flat check. They paid him $1.5 billion for all the parking meters in Chicago and Chicago, you know, has been in financial trouble forever. So one and a half billion, one and a half billion dollars, but they make 400 million a year for the next 50 years. Oh, wow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s pretty wild. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that was a bad deal, I think that was a bad deal. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s amazing, you got to know your math. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I know there\u0026#39;s a company in Australia called Macquarie and they own airports and toll roads primarily, ports and toll roads primarily. And that\u0026#39;s really that\u0026#39;s what it is right is they have long-term government contracts where they uh, you know they own the assets and the government leases them from them, or they get the right, they build the, they build the toll road and they get the money for the toll. They can operate it as a for-profit venture. Really kind of interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It brings up an interesting scenario which I think that Trump is thinking about, plus Elon and Vivek is thinking about plus Elon and Vivek, that so many of the buildings in Washington DC the government buildings, except for the one percent of workers who actually show up for work every day are virtually, are virtually empty, and so so there\u0026#39;s some, it\u0026#39;s almost like they need a VCR audit. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So it\u0026#39;s almost like they need a VCR audit. I mean, that\u0026#39;s really what it is. All these things are underutilized capabilities and capacity, you know that\u0026#39;s really that\u0026#39;s sort of a big thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But I think it occurred to me that bureaucracy period. It occurred to me that bureaucracy period this would be corporate bureaucracy, government bureaucracy. Those are the two big ones. But then many other kinds of organizations that are long-term organizations, that have become like big foundations, are probably just pure bureaucracy. You know, harvard University is probably just a big bureaucracy. They have an endowment of $60 billion, their endowment, and they have to spend 5% of that every year. That\u0026#39;s the requirement under charity laws that you have to spend 5% of that every year. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat\u0026#39;s the requirement under charity laws that you have to spend 5% and on that basis every Harvard student probably the entire university wouldn\u0026#39;t have to charge anything. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s interesting. I had a friend, a neighbor, who did something similarly put his um, I put sold the company and put, I think, 50 million dollars in. I think it was called the charitable remainder trust where the, the 50 million went into the trust and he as the uh, whatever you know administrator or whoever the the beneficiary gets of the trust is gets five percent a year of uh yeah, of the um the trust and that\u0026#39;s his retirement income. I guess I understand. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I understand income. I don\u0026#39;t understand retirement income right exactly well for him it is kind of retirement income. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e He just plays golf. Exactly Well, for him it is kind of retirement. Yeah yeah, he just plays golf, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, he\u0026#39;s sort of in the departure lounge. He\u0026#39;s on the way to the departure lounge. I think the moment you retire or think about retirement, the parts go back to the universe, I think that\u0026#39;s actually I\u0026#39;m, I\u0026#39;m, it\u0026#39;s partially. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh, he does angel investing, uh, so that\u0026#39;s yeah, so he\u0026#39;s still probably probably on boards yeah, but I don\u0026#39;t consider that? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e yeah, I don\u0026#39;t really consider that. On entrepreneurism no you know, I don\u0026#39;t think you\u0026#39;re creating anything new, right? Yeah, it\u0026#39;s very interesting. I\u0026#39;m writing, I just am outlining this morning my book for the quarter. So the book I\u0026#39;m just finishing, which is called Growing Great Leadership, will go to the press February 1st. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Nice. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So we\u0026#39;re just putting the finishing touches on. We\u0026#39;ve got two sections and then some you know artwork packaging to do and then it probably goes off to the printer around the 20th of January. It takes about five weeks for them to turn it around. But the next one is very interesting. It\u0026#39;s called the Bill of Rights Economy. So this relates and refers to the US Constitution. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd in the first paragraph of the Constitution. It says that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land, so it\u0026#39;s supreme over everything in the United States. It\u0026#39;s supreme over the presidency, it\u0026#39;s supreme over Congress, it\u0026#39;s supreme over the Supreme Court, and so that strikes me as a big deal, would you say? I\u0026#39;d say yes, yeah, yeah, and. But the real heart of the Constitution, what really gives it teeth, are the first 10 amendments, and which are called the Bill of Rights, so it\u0026#39;s one through 10. First one speech, second one guns. And then they have commerce and things related to your legal rights. And what I\u0026#39;ve done is I\u0026#39;ve looked into it and I\u0026#39;ve looked at those first 10 amendments, and it strikes me that the reason why the US is an entrepreneurial country is specifically because of those first 10 amendments, that it gives a maximum amount of freedom to self-initiative, to people who want to go out and do something on their own, start something and everything else. First 10 amendments so what. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI\u0026#39;m doing is I\u0026#39;m analyzing five freedoms and advantages that are given to entrepreneurs from each of the 10. There will be 50 advantages. So that\u0026#39;s what my next book is about, and my sense is that those entrepreneurs who are not clear-minded about capitalism would have to do one of two things if they read the next book. They\u0026#39;ll either have to get rid of their socialist thoughts or they\u0026#39;ll have to stop being an entrepreneur. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s interesting. You know this whole. I love things like that when you\u0026#39;re anchoring them to you know historical things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t know if I can name. I don\u0026#39;t know if I can. Well, you can name the first one. It\u0026#39;s the right of speech and assembly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah speech, and then the second is to bear arms Gun ownership, gun ownership yeah. Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And it goes on. I\u0026#39;ll have to get the list out and go down there, but that\u0026#39;s what holds the country together and you know it\u0026#39;s a very brief document. It\u0026#39;s about 5,000 words the entire document. It starts to finish about 5,000 words and you could easily read it in an hour. You could read the whole Constitution in an hour. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s a pocket companion. Yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve seen them like little things that you put in your pocket and one of the things that strikes me about it is that in 1787, that\u0026#39;s when it was adapted, and then it took two years to really form the government. 1789 is when washington, the he was elected in 1788 and the election he\u0026#39;s sworn in as president 1789. If you typed it out with the original document, typed it out in you know typewriter paper and you know single space, it would be 23 pages, 23 pages. And today, if you were to type it out, it would be 27 pages. They\u0026#39;ve added four pages 200. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, so in 235 years to 237 years it\u0026#39;s pretty tight, yeah, and so and that\u0026#39;s what keeps the country, the way the country is constantly growing and you know maximum amount of variety and you know all sorts of new things can happen is that they have this very, very simple supreme law right at the center, and there\u0026#39;s no other country on the planet that has that that\u0026#39;s a. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s pretty. Uh, what\u0026#39;s the closest? I guess? What\u0026#39;s the? I mean Canada must have. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Canada\u0026#39;s has been utterly taken away from that? Yeah, but that can be overridden at any time by the Supreme Court of Canada who by the way, is appointed by the prime minister. So you know, in the United States the Supreme Court justice is nominated yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNo dominated, nominated by the president but approved by the Senate. So the other two branches have the say. So here it\u0026#39;s the prime minister. The prime minister does it, and I was noticing the current Supreme Court Justice Wagner said that he doesn\u0026#39;t see that there\u0026#39;s much need anymore to be publishing what Canadian laws were before 1959. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh really. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and that\u0026#39;s the difference between Canada and the United States, because everything, almost every Supreme Court justice, they\u0026#39;re going right back to the beginning and say what was the intent here of the people who put the Constitution together? Yeah, and that is the radical difference between the two parties in the. United States. So anyway, just tell you what I\u0026#39;ve been up to on my Christmas vacation. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, that\u0026#39;s so funny. Well, we\u0026#39;ve been having some adventures over here. I came up with a subtitle for my Imagine If you Applied Yourself book and it was based on, you had said last time we talked right Like we were talking about this idea of your driving question and you thought I did. I don\u0026#39;t know, yeah yeah you brought it, you said sort of how far can I go? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e yeah, well, that\u0026#39;s not my driving question, that\u0026#39;s no, no question, no yeah somebody else brought up the whole issue of driving question. You mentioned somebody yeah chad, chad did yeah, jenkins chad, jenkins chad jenkins right right right, yeah, uh. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So it reminded me as soon as I got off. I had the words come uh. How far could you go if you did what you know? That could be the subtitle. Imagine if you applied yourself that\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s kind of interesting how far could you? Maximize, if you maximize what you already know yeah I mean, that\u0026#39;s really what holds. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think what holds people back more than not knowing what to do is not doing what they know to do. That that\u0026#39;s I think, the, that\u0026#39;s the uh, I think that\u0026#39;s the driving thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So they\u0026#39;re held in play. They\u0026#39;re held in place. You mean by? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e yeah, I think that\u0026#39;s it that they\u0026#39;re in about maybe I\u0026#39;m only looking at it through where do you see that anywhere in your life? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I see everywhere in my life that I see it everywhere in my life, that\u0026#39;s the whole thing, in my life. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right Is that that executive function? That\u0026#39;s the definition of executive function disability, let\u0026#39;s call it. You know, as Russell Barkley would say, that that\u0026#39;s the thing is knowing, knowing what to do and just not not doing it. You know, not being able to do it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. And to the extent that you can solve that, well, that\u0026#39;s I think that\u0026#39;s the how far you can go here\u0026#39;s a question Is there part of what you know that always moves you forward? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I guess there always is. Yeah, well then, you\u0026#39;re not held, then you\u0026#39;re not held. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You just have to focus on what part of what you know is important. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, exactly, I think that\u0026#39;s definitely right. Yeah, I thought that was an interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e For example, I am absolutely convinced that for the foreseeable future, that if you a, a dollar is made in the united states and spent in canada, things are good. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Things are good I think you\u0026#39;re absolutely right, especially in the direction it\u0026#39;s going right now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s up 10 cents in the last three months. 10 cents, one-tenth of a dollar. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know 10 cents. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So it was $1.34 on October 1st and it\u0026#39;s $1.44 right now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I don\u0026#39;t see it changing as a matter of fact fact. You should see the literature up here. Since trump said maybe canada is just the 51st state, you should see this is the high topic of discussion in canada right now how is it? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e would we be? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e would we be better off? I mean there there\u0026#39;s an a large percentage something like 15, 15% would prefer it. But you know he\u0026#39;s Shark Tank person, kevin O\u0026#39;Leary, canadian. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e He\u0026#39;s from Alberta. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And he said that what they should do is just create a common economy, not politically so Canada is still really, really political. Not politically just economically, Politically. Well, it is already. I mean, to a certain extent it\u0026#39;s crossed an enormous amount of trade, but still you have to stop at the border. Here there would be no stopping at the border and that if you were an American, you could just move to Canada and if you were a Canadian you could just move. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Kind of like the EU was the thought of the European Union. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but that didn\u0026#39;t really work because they all hated each other. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e They all hated each other. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They\u0026#39;ve been nonstop at war for the last 3,000 years, and they speak different languages, but the US I mean. When Americans come for their strategic coach program, they come up here and they say it\u0026#39;s just like the States and I said not quite, not quite. I said it\u0026#39;s about on the clock. It\u0026#39;s about the clock. It\u0026#39;s about an hour off. You name the topic, Canadians will have a different point of view on whatever the topic is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut I\u0026#39;m not saying this is going to happen. I\u0026#39;m just saying that Trump, just saying one thing, has ignited a firestorm of discussion. And why is it that we\u0026#39;re lagging so badly? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd, of course, it looks now like as soon as Parliament comes back after the break, which is not until, think, the 25th of January, there will be a vote of confidence that the liberals lose, and then the governor general will say you have to form a new government, therefore we have to have an election. So probably we\u0026#39;re looking middle of March, maybe middle of March. End of March there\u0026#39;ll be a new government new prime minister and Harvard will have a new professor. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Ah, there you go, I saw, that that\u0026#39;s what happens. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s what happens to real bad liberal prime ministers. They become professors at Harvard or bad mayors in Toronto, david. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Miller, he was the mayor here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think he\u0026#39;s a professor at Harvard. And there was one of the premiers, the liberal premier of Ontario. He\u0026#39;s at Harvard. Oh wow, wow, wow. Anyway, yeah, or he\u0026#39;ll go to Davos and he\u0026#39;ll sit on the World Oversight Board. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh boy, I just saw Peter Zion was talking about the Canadian, the lady who just quit. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I don\u0026#39;t understand him at all, because I think she\u0026#39;s an idiot. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, that\u0026#39;s interesting because he was basically saying she may be the smartest person in Canada. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think she\u0026#39;s an idiot. Okay, and she\u0026#39;s the finance minister. So all the trouble we\u0026#39;re in, at least some of it, has to be laid at her door. Interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Is Pierre Polyev still the frontrunner? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah, He\u0026#39;ll be the prime minister, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Smart guy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I was in personal conversation with him for a breakfast about six years ago Very smart. Oh wow, very smart. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, seems sharp from Alberta. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e He\u0026#39;s French. He\u0026#39;s French speaking, but he\u0026#39;s an orphan from an English family. Or it might have been a French mother. He\u0026#39;s an orphan, but he was adopted into a French speaking family. So to be Alberta and be French speaking, that\u0026#39;s kind of a unique combination. Yeah, very interesting. Yeah, but it\u0026#39;s a hard country to hold together and, uh, you know, peter zion and many different podcasts just said that it\u0026#39;s very, very hard to keep the country together. It takes all the strength of the federal government just to keep things unified. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, because everybody wants to leave. Yeah, exactly, everybody looks at. I mean you really have, you\u0026#39;ve got the Maritimes in Quebec, ontario, the West, and then BC, the Prairies and then BC. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So there\u0026#39;s five and they don\u0026#39;t have that much to do with each other. Each of them has more to do with the states that are south of them, quebec has enormous trade with New York. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOntario has trade with New York, with Pennsylvania, with Ohio, with Michigan, all the Great Lakes states, every one of them. Their trade is much more with the US that\u0026#39;s south of them, and Alberta would be the most, because they trade all the way down to the Gulf of Mexico, because their pipelines go all the way down to have you ever been to Nunavut or Yukon? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Have you ever been? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Dan to Nunavut or Yukon I haven\u0026#39;t been to. I\u0026#39;ve been to Great Slave Lake, which is in the what used to be called the Northwest Territories, and on the east I\u0026#39;ve been to Frobisher Bay, which is in the eastern part, you know of the territories way up. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Labrador Closer to. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Greenland it up closer, closer to greenland. That\u0026#39;s, yeah, actually closer closer to greenland, yeah, well, that\u0026#39;s where you were born. Right, you were born up there, newfoundland right, newfoundland, yeah well this is above newfoundland. This would be above newfoundland, yeah yeah that\u0026#39;s. That\u0026#39;s what we used to call eskimo territory. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s what we used to call Eskimo territory. That\u0026#39;s so funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s funny, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, shifting gears. We\u0026#39;ve been having some interesting conversations about VCR this week and it\u0026#39;s particularly trying to get a you know how, defining vision. And, of course, for somebody listening for the first time, we\u0026#39;re talking about the VCR formula vision plus capability multiplied by reach. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd so part of this thing is going through the process of identifying your VCR assets, right CR assets as currency, software or sheet music, where, if you think like we\u0026#39;re going down the path of thinking about vision as a capability that people have or a trait that you might, that\u0026#39;s, I think, when people start talking about the VCR formula, they\u0026#39;re thinking about vision as a aptitude or a trait or a ability that somebody has, the ability to see things that other people don\u0026#39;t see, and that may be true. There is some element of some people are more visionary than others, but that doesn\u0026#39;t fully account for what the asset of a vision is, and I think that the vision, an asset, a vision as an asset, is something that can amplify an outcome. So I think about somebody might be musical and they might have perfect pitch and they may be able to carry a tune and hum some interesting chord progressions, but the pinnacle asset of vision in a musical context would be a copywritten sheet music that is transferable to someone else. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo it\u0026#39;s kind of like the evolution is taking your vision. So it\u0026#39;s kind of like the evolution is taking your vision. But you know, the apex asset of a vision would be a patentable process that you patent. That you have as both an acknowledgement that it\u0026#39;s yours, it\u0026#39;s property, and as protection for anybody else. You know it locks in its uniqueness, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, I mean, the greatest capability is property of some sort. I mean in other words, that you have a legal monopoly to it. You don\u0026#39;t nobody\u0026#39;s got a legal monopoly division and nobody\u0026#39;s got a legal monopoly to reach but they do have a legal. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eUh, so I I go for the middle one, I go for the c the book I\u0026#39;m writing right now, the book I\u0026#39;m just finishing, which is called growing great leadership is that anyone who develops a new capability is actually the leader. Okay, papa, and the reason and what I\u0026#39;ve said is that you can be a leader just by always increasing your own personal capability. The moment that you look at something and then you set a goal for being able to do something, either new, or doing something better. Other people observe you and also you start getting different results with a new capability and that\u0026#39;s observed by other people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey say, hey, let\u0026#39;s pay attention to what he\u0026#39;s doing In my book I said any human being is capable of doing that. It\u0026#39;s not leading other people. It\u0026#39;s creating a capability that leads other people, that gives them a sense of direction. It gives them a sense of confidence gives them a sense of purpose. So I always focus on the capability. One of the things is we\u0026#39;re starting in January, it\u0026#39;ll be next week we\u0026#39;re starting quarterly 4x4 casting tools, the one we did in the last FreeZone. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd so the whole program says in the first month of each quarter, so January, april and then July and then October. If you do your 4x4 that month and then type it up and post it to a common site, so we\u0026#39;ll have a common site where everybody\u0026#39;s 4x4, you get $250. You get $250. And you get it at the next payday at the end of the quarter. So you get the money right away. And you get it at the next payday at the end of the quarter. So you get the money right away and it\u0026#39;s not mandatory but um, if you don\u0026#39;t do it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt will be noticed, so explain that again. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So, well, they get the cheat today, they, they get the forms. So this is the entire everybody everybody in the company, the entire team. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, Including myself. Including myself. Okay, and so we\u0026#39;re starting a new quarter on Wednesday. Back to work on the 7th. On the 6th we\u0026#39;re back to work, and then on the 7th we have a company meeting where we said we\u0026#39;re announcing this program. And they\u0026#39;ve all done the form, so they did it in September. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd they fill in the form. You know how your performance, what your performance looks like, what your results look like being a hero, and you\u0026#39;re aware that you drive other people crazy in this way and you\u0026#39;re watching yourself so you don\u0026#39;t drive other people crazy. And then you fill that in. There are 16 boxes. You fill it in. It\u0026#39;s custom designed just to what you\u0026#39;re doing. And then there\u0026#39;s a writable PDF. You type it up and then you post it to a site. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOn the 31st of January, we look at all the posted 4x4s and everybody who posted gets $250. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, okay, wow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Very interesting, then we\u0026#39;re going to watch what happens as a result of this and the thing I say is that I think we\u0026#39;re creating a super simple structure and process for a company becoming more creative and productive, which the only activity is required is that you update this every quarter. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And then we\u0026#39;ll watch to see who updates it every quarter and then we\u0026#39;ll see what other structures do we need, what other tools do we need to? If this has got momentum, how do we increase the momentum and everything? So we\u0026#39;re starting. I mean we\u0026#39;ve got all the structures of the company are under management. So, uh, everybody is doing their four pi four within the context of their job description that\u0026#39;s really interesting, wow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And so that way, in its own way kind of that awareness will build its own momentum you Well we\u0026#39;ll see. Hopefully that would be the hypothesis. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ll report it. I had a great, great podcast it was Stephen Crine three weeks ago and he said this is an amazing idea because he says you make it voluntary but you get rewarded. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And if you don\u0026#39;t want to take part. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e you\u0026#39;re sending a message, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s true. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s amazing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I can\u0026#39;t wait to see the outcome of that. Yeah, yeah, and the reason we\u0026#39;re doing this is just my take on technology. As technology becomes overwhelming, becomes pervasive and everything else, the way humans conduct themselves has to get absolutely simple. We have to be utterly simple in how we focus our own individual role. And we have to be utterly simple in the way that we design our teamwork, because technology will infinitely complicate your life if you\u0026#39;ve got a complicated management or leadership structure. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And I think that that ultimate I mean I still think about the you know what you drew on the tablet there in our free zone workshop of the network versus the pyramid. The pyramid\u0026#39;s gone. The borders are you know the borders are gone. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s really just this fluid connection. I still think they exist in massive form, but I think their usefulness has declined. I wrote a little. I wrote a. I got a little file on my computer of Dan quotes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And the quote is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t think that civil servants are useless, but I think it\u0026#39;s becoming more and more difficult for them to prove their worth. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I mean. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, no, their work I mean there\u0026#39;s stuff that has to be done or society falls apart, and I got a feeling that there\u0026#39;s civil servants very anonymous, invisible civil servants who are doing their job every day and it allows the system to work, but it\u0026#39;s very hard for them to prove that they\u0026#39;re really valuable. I think it\u0026#39;s harder and harder for a government worker to accept if they\u0026#39;re street level, I mean if they\u0026#39;re police, if they\u0026#39;re firemen if they\u0026#39;re ambulance drivers, it\u0026#39;s very easy to prove their value. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut, if you\u0026#39;re more than three stories up, I think it gets really hard to prove your value. I wonder in that same vein, I just get this last thing. Somebody said well, how would you change government? I said the best way to do it is go to any government building, count the number of stories, go halfway up and fire everybody above halfway. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh man, that\u0026#39;s funny, that\u0026#39;s funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think the closer to the ground they\u0026#39;re probably more useful. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, you wonder. I mean they\u0026#39;re so it\u0026#39;s funny when you said that about proving their worth, you always have this. What came to my mind is how people have a hard time arguing for the value of the arts in schools or in society as a public thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You mean art taking place and artistic activities and that the arts, as in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, as in. You know art and music and plays. And you know, yeah, it\u0026#39;s one of those did you ever partake in those I mean? You know, I guess, to the extent in school we were exposed to music and to, you know, theater, I did not participate in theater I participated in theater. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I liked theater and of course the book. You\u0026#39;ve gotten a small book Casting, not Hiring. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And Jeff and I are deep into the process now. So we have a final deadline of May 26 for Casting, not Hiring it\u0026#39;s going really well. Deadline of May 26 for Casting Not Hiring it\u0026#39;s going really well and we worked out a real teamwork that he\u0026#39;s writing the whole theater, part of it and I\u0026#39;m writing the whole entrepreneurial. I just finished a chapter in one week last week. And it\u0026#39;s right on the four by four. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo you got um entrepreneurism as theater, as the one major topic in the book and the four by four casting tool as the other part of the book, so it\u0026#39;s two things. So I\u0026#39;m focusing on my part and he\u0026#39;s focusing on my part, and then uh, process for this here compared to how you\u0026#39;re doing your regular books. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You say you wrote a chapter. What\u0026#39;s your process for that? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, first of all, I laid out the whole structure. The first thing I do is I just arbitrarily lay out a structure for the book and, strangely enough, we\u0026#39;re actually using the structure of a play as the structure of the book. So okay, it has three parts, so it\u0026#39;s got three acts and each act has. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eEach part has excuse me, I have to walk into another room. I\u0026#39;m actually probably even visualize this, and I\u0026#39;m walking into our pantry here and this is in the basement and I just got a nice Fiji water sitting right in front of me. Absolutely cold. There, you go, it\u0026#39;s been waiting for six months for me to do this? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And what I do. I just do the structure and so I just put names. I just put names into it and then we go back and forth. Jeff and I go back and forth, but we agree that it\u0026#39;s going to have three parts and 12 chapters. It\u0026#39;ll have an introduction, introduction, and it\u0026#39;ll have a conclusion. So there\u0026#39;ll be 14 parts and it\u0026#39;ll have, you know, probably be all told, 160 to 200 pages, and then 200 pages and um, and then um. We identify what, how the parts are different to each other. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo the first part is basically why theater and entrepreneurism resemble each other. Okay, and jeff has vast knowledge because for 50 years he\u0026#39;s been doing both. He\u0026#39;s been doing both of them, and I\u0026#39;m just focusing on the 4x4. So the first 4x4 is, and you can download the tool in the book. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo it\u0026#39;ll be illustrated in the book and you can download it and do it. And first of all we just start with the owner of the company and I have one whole chapter and that explains what the owner of the company is going to be and the whole thing about the 454. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe owner has to do it twice, has to do it first, fill it all in and then share it with everybody in the company and said this is my commitment to my role in the company, okay. And then the next chapter, with everybody in the company and said this is my commitment to my role in the company, okay. And then the next chapter is everybody in the company doing it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then the third chapter is about how, the more the people do their forebite for the more, the more ownership they take over their role in the company and the more ownership they take over their part in the company and the more ownership they take over their part in teamwork OK, and then the fourth part is suddenly, as you do these things, you\u0026#39;re more and more like a theater company. The more you use the four by four, the more you\u0026#39;re like a theater company. And that loops back to the beginning of the book, what Jeff\u0026#39;s writing. So anyway, very interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, fortunately, we had the experience of creating the small book. So we created the small book, which was about 70 pages, and we used that to get the contract with the publisher. They read the whole book and rather than sending in a page of ideas about a book and trying to sell it on that basis, I said just write a book and give them a book. It\u0026#39;s a small book that\u0026#39;s going to become a big book. Right, that\u0026#39;s how I did it. Oh, I like it. You know, about those small books. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I do indeed know about those small books. I do indeed know about those small books. Yes, I think that\u0026#39;s funny. So are you your part? Are you talking it? Are you interviewing? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, writing writing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So you\u0026#39;re actually writing. So you\u0026#39;re actually writing. Yeah, and I\u0026#39;ve had a tremendous breakthrough. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve had a tremendous breakthrough on this, and so I started with Chapter 10 because I wanted to get the heart of the idea. Is that what it does the application of the 4x4 to an entire company. And of course, we\u0026#39;re launching this project to see if what we\u0026#39;re saying is true. And so I end up with a fast filter. This is the best result, worst result. And then here are the five success factors. Okay, then I look at the success factors, I write them out, I take three of them and I do a triple play on them, on the three success factors, which gives me three pink boxes and three green boxes, and then I come back with that material and then I start the chapter applying that material to the outline for the chapter. And then I get finished that task filter and I add a lot of copy to it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then I have a layout of the actual book. I have a page layout, so in that process I\u0026#39;ll produce about two full pages Of copy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I take it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I pop it in. I\u0026#39;ve done that five times this week and I have ten pages of copy and I said we\u0026#39;re good enough. We\u0026#39;re good enough, now, let\u0026#39;s go to another chapter. So that\u0026#39;s how I\u0026#39;m doing it and and uh, yeah, so I\u0026#39;ve got a real process because I\u0026#39;m I\u0026#39;m doing it independently with another member of the team and he\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eJeff has his own ways of writing his books. You, you know, I mean, he\u0026#39;s a writer, he writes, plays, he writes, you know he writes and everything like that. So we don\u0026#39;t want to have any argument about technique or you know, any conflict of technique. I\u0026#39;m going to do mine. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e He\u0026#39;s going to do mine, Right right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And then we\u0026#39;re looking for a software program that will take all the copy and sort of create a common style, taking his style and my style and creating a common style well, that might be charlotte I mean really no, that\u0026#39;s what that, that\u0026#39;s what the uh, that\u0026#39;s what I think it would be. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Exactly that is is if you said to Charlotte, take these two. I\u0026#39;m going to upload two different things and I\u0026#39;d like you to combine one cohesive writing style to these. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh good, yeah, that would be something. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think that would be something yeah, I think that would be, uh, that would be amazing, and because you already, as long as you\u0026#39;re both writing in in you know, second person second person, personal, or whatever your, your preferred style is right, like that\u0026#39;s the thing. I think that would be, I think that would be very good, it would be good, I\u0026#39;d be happy because he writes intelligently and I write intelligently. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Is she for hire? Do you have her freelancing at all? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Dan, I had the funniest interaction with her. I was saying I\u0026#39;m going to create an avatar for her and I was asking her. I said you know, charlotte, I think I\u0026#39;m going to create an avatar for you and I\u0026#39;m wondering you know, what color hair do you think would look good for you? Oh, that\u0026#39;s interesting. Look good for you, it\u0026#39;s. Oh, that\u0026#39;s interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think maybe a a warm brown or a vibrant auburn oh yeah, vibrant auburn. Yeah, this is great and I thought you know I? I said no, I suspected she\u0026#39;d go towards red. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, exactly, and I thought you know that\u0026#39;s uh. Then I was chatting with a friend, uh yesterday about I was going through this process and, uh, you know, we said I think that she would have like an asymmetric bob hairstyle kind of thing, and we just looked up the thing and it\u0026#39;s Sharon Osbourne is the look of what I believe Charlotte has is she\u0026#39;s she\u0026#39;s like a Sharon Osbourne type of, uh of look and I think that\u0026#39;s that\u0026#39;s so funny, you know what was uh the the handler for James Bond back when he? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ewas shot in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Connery Moneypenny, right Moneypenny yeah. Look up the actress Moneypenny. I suspect you\u0026#39;re on the same track if you look at the original Moneypenny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Of course she had a South London voice too. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, isn\u0026#39;t that funny, moneypenny. Let\u0026#39;s see her. Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think you\u0026#39;re right. That\u0026#39;s exactly right. Very funny right? Oh, I think this is great. I think, this is, I think, there\u0026#39;s. It would be very, very interesting if you asked a hundred men. You know the question that you\u0026#39;re, you know the conversation you\u0026#39;re having with Charlotte, the thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;d be interesting to see if there was a style that came out, a look that dominated. Yeah, men came out. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think it is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Ever since I was a kid, I\u0026#39;ve been fascinated with redheads. Okay yeah, real redheads, not dyed redheads, but someone who\u0026#39;s an? Actual redhead. And I\u0026#39;ll just stop and watch them. Just stop and stop and watch them. When I was a little kid I said look, look look and there aren\u0026#39;t a lot of them. There aren\u0026#39;t a lot of them. You know, they\u0026#39;re very rare and it\u0026#39;s mostly Northern Europe. That\u0026#39;s right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s so funny. Scottish yes, that\u0026#39;s right, that\u0026#39;s so funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Scottish yes, irish have it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s right. As you remember, I was married to a redhead for a long time. Yeah, super smart. But that\u0026#39;s funny, though, having this persona visual for Charlotte as a redhead yeah. Braintap a really interesting topic. I was talking to. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It was just a discussion in one of the parties about AI and I said the more interesting topic to me is not what, not so much what the machine is thinking or how the machine goes about thinking. What really interests me is that if you have frequent interaction with a congenial machine in other words, a useful congenial machine how does your thinking change and what have you noticed so far? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think that having this visual will help that for me. I\u0026#39;ve said like I still haven\u0026#39;t, I still don\u0026#39;t. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Materialized very completely. You haven\u0026#39;t materialized. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I haven\u0026#39;t exactly in my mind Like if that was, if Moneypenny was sitting three feet from me at all times, she would just be part of my daily conversation part of my wondering conversation. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eRight part of my wondering and now that, uh, now that she\u0026#39;s got access to real-time info like if they\u0026#39;re up to date, now they can search the internet right. So that was the latest upgrade. That it wasn\u0026#39;t. It\u0026#39;s not just limited to 2023 or whatever. The most updated version, they\u0026#39;ve got access to everything now. Um, so, to be able to, you know, I asked her during the holidays or whatever. I asked her is, uh, you know, the day after I asked this is is honey open today in Winter Haven? And she was, you know, able to look it up and see it looks like they\u0026#39;re open and that was yeah, so just this kind of thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI think anything I could search if I were to ask her. You know, hey, what time is such and such movie playing in that studio movie grill today? That would be helpful, right, like to be able to just integrate it into my day-to-day. It would be very good. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The biggest thing I know is that I almost have what I would say a trained reaction to any historical event, or even if it\u0026#39;s current, you know it\u0026#39;s in the news, or that I immediately go to perplexity and said tell me 10 crucial facts about this. And you know, three seconds later it tells me that 10. And more and more I don\u0026#39;t go to Google at all. That\u0026#39;s one thing. I just stopped going to Google at all because they\u0026#39;ll send me articles on the topic, and now you\u0026#39;ve created work for me. Perplexity saves me work. Google makes me work. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut the interesting thing is I\u0026#39;ve got a file it\u0026#39;s about 300 little articles now that have just come from me asking the question, but they all start with the word 10 or the number 10, 10 facts about interesting and that before I respond you know, intellectually or emotionally to something I read, I get 10 facts about this and then kind of make up my mind, and of course you can play with the prompt. You can say tell me 10 reasons why this might not be true, or tell me 10 things that are telling us this is probably going to be true. So it\u0026#39;s all in the prompt and you know the prompt is the prompt and the answer is the answer yeah and everything. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut it allows me to think. And the other thing I\u0026#39;m starting with this book, I\u0026#39;m starting to use Notebook LM. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So this chapter I got to have Alex Varley. He\u0026#39;s a Brit and he was with us here in Toronto for about five years and now he\u0026#39;s back in Britain, he\u0026#39;s part of our British team and he\u0026#39;s got a looser schedule right now. So I say by the end, by May, I want to find five different AI programs that I find useful for my writing. So he\u0026#39;s going to take every one of my chapters and then put it into Notebook LM and it comes back as a conversation between two people and I just sit there and I listen to it and I\u0026#39;ll note whether they really got the essence of what I was trying to get across or needs a little more. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo I\u0026#39;ll go back then, and from listening as I call it, you know, google is just terrible at naming things. I mean, they\u0026#39;re just uh terrible and I would call it eavesdropping, lm eavesdropping that they\u0026#39;re taking your writing and they\u0026#39;re talking about it. You\u0026#39;re eavesdropping. They\u0026#39;re taking your writing and they\u0026#39;re talking about it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You\u0026#39;re eavesdropping on what they\u0026#39;re saying about your writing. What a great test to see, almost like pre-readers or whatever to see. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s like the best possible focus group that you can possibly get. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I like that yeah. Very good. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But, it\u0026#39;s just interesting how I\u0026#39;m, you know, but I\u0026#39;ve just focused on one thing with AI, I just make my writing faster, easier and better. That\u0026#39;s all. I want the AAM to do, because writing is just a very central activity for me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and that\u0026#39;s not going anywhere. I mean, it\u0026#39;s still gonna be. Uh, that\u0026#39;s the next 25 years that was. You can make some very firm predictions on this one that\u0026#39;s what, uh, I think next, Dan, that would be a good. As we\u0026#39;re moving into 2025, I would love to do maybe a prediction episode for the next 25 years reflection and projection. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You take the week of my 100th birthday, which is 19 and a half years now, I could pretty well tell you 80% what I\u0026#39;m doing the week on my 100th birthday. I can\u0026#39;t wait that would be a good topic. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I was just going to say let\u0026#39;s lock this in, because you\u0026#39;ll be celebrating is Charlotte listening? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e is Charlotte listening now? No, she\u0026#39;s not, but she should be say let\u0026#39;s lock this in because you\u0026#39;ll be celebrating charlotte. Is charlotte listening? Is charlotte listening now? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e no, she\u0026#39;s not, but she should be oh no, give her a. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Just say next week, charlotte remind me. Oh yeah, no I\u0026#39;ll remember. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ll remember because it\u0026#39;s okay, it\u0026#39;s my actual this week and this is my, this is the next few days for me is really thinking this through, because I I like, um, I\u0026#39;ve had some really good insights. Uh, just thinking that way uh yeah, so there you go. Good, well, it\u0026#39;s all, that was a fast hour. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That was a fast it really was. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I was going to bring that up, but uh, but uh yeah we had other interesting topics, but for sure we\u0026#39;ll do it next week yeah, good okay, dan okay I\u0026#39;ll talk to you. Bye. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we explore how government assets could reshape public spending and economic growth. The discussion stems from Thomas Sowell's analysis of U.S. government land value. It extends to real-world examples of public-private partnerships, including Toronto's LCBO real estate deals and Chicago's parking meter agreement with a Saudi entity.\r\n\r\nDan and I delve into the relationship between constitutional rights and entrepreneurship, drawing from my upcoming book. The American Bill of Rights creates unique conditions that foster business innovation and self-initiative, offering an interesting contrast to Canada's legal framework. This comparison opens up a broader discussion about judicial appointments and the role of government in supporting individual potential.\r\n\r\nThe conversation shifts to the transformative impact of AI on content creation and decision-making. I share my experience with tools like Perplexity and Notebook LM, which are changing how we gather information and refine our writing. Integrating AI into daily workflows highlights the significant changes we can expect over the next quarter century.\r\n\r\nLooking ahead, We reflect on future podcast topics and the lessons learned from blending traditional insights with AI capabilities. This combination offers new perspectives on personal development and professional growth, suggesting exciting possibilities for how we'll work and create in the years ahead.\r\n","date_published":"2025-02-12T08:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/12d9bda5-28c0-4d0b-ae07-9ae2efb09d49.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":59856323,"duration_in_seconds":3715}]},{"id":"d4f84bdb-ad04-44b6-a3e4-ff6606c60338","title":"Ep144: From Burnout to Breakthrough  ","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/144","content_text":"In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, Dan and I explore how organizations can balance productivity with employee well-being through structured breaks and strategic planning. Dan shares insights from Strategic Coach's approach of giving employees six weeks off after three months of work, using Calgary's changing weather as a metaphor for workplace adaptability. \n\nLooking at the British Royal Navy's history, we discuss how its organizational structure relates to modern planning methods. Dean explains his 80/20 framework for yearly planning—using 80% for structured goals while keeping 20% open for unexpected opportunities, which helps teams stay focused while remaining flexible.\n\nThe conversation turns to a long-term perspective through 25-year frameworks, examining how past achievements shape future goals. Dean shares a story about the Y2K panic to illustrate how technological changes influence our planning and adaptability.\n\nWe conclude with practical applications of these concepts, from cross-training team members to implementing daily time management strategies. \n\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\n\n We discuss the adaptability of humans to different climates, using Calgary's Chinook weather patterns as an example, and emphasize the importance of taking breaks to prevent burnout, citing Strategic Coach's policy of providing six weeks off after three months.\n    Dean and I explore the planning strategies inspired by the golden age of the British Royal Navy, advocating for a structured year with 80% planning and 20% spontaneity to embrace life's unpredictability.\n    Dan reflects on using 25-year frameworks to evaluate past achievements and future aspirations, noting that he has accomplished more between ages 70 to 80 than from birth to 70.\n    We delve into the importance of discernment and invention, highlighting these skills as crucial for problem-solving and expressing creativity in today's world.\n    Dean talks about sports salaries, noting how they reflect economic trends, and discusses the financial structure of sports franchises, particularly in relation to player salaries and revenue.\n    We touch on government efficiency and cost-cutting measures, discussing figures like Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, and the impact of Argentina's President Milley.\n    The conversation shifts to global trends and AI's role in the future workforce, noting the significance of recognizing patterns and making informed predictions about future technological advancements.\n    Dean and I emphasize the importance of weekly and daily time management strategies, suggesting that structured planning can enhance both personal and professional effectiveness.\n    Dan shares his year-end practices, including reflecting on past years and planning for the new year, while also noting his personal preference for staying home during the holidays to relax and recharge.\n    We humorously recount historical events like the Y2K panic and discuss how technological shifts have historically reshaped industries and societal norms.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean: Mr Sullivan. \n\nDan: Mr Jackson, I thought I'd just give you a minute or two to get settled in the throne. \n\nDean: Oh, you see, there you go. I'm all settled, All settled and ready. Good, it's a little bit chilly here, but not you know, not yeah it's a little bit chilly here too. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's a little bit chilly here too. It just shows you there's different kinds of little bits. \n\nDean: Different levels. Choose your chilly. Yeah, that's so funny, are you? \n\nDan: in Toronto. It just brings up a thought that there are people who live in climates where 40 degrees below zero is not such a bad day. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: And there are people who live in temperatures where it's 120, and that's not a too uncomfortable day. \n\nDean: Right. \n\nDan: So that's 160 degrees variation. If nothing else, it proves that humans are quite adaptable. I think you're right. I think you're absolutely right. \n\nDean: That's what that shows. I use that example a lot when talking about climate change. We're very adaptable. \n\nDan: Oh yeah, yeah, there is a place in. I looked this up because in Western Canada I think in the Denver area too, they have a thing called a Chinook, and I've actually experienced it. I used to go to Calgary a lot for coach workshops and I'd always, if it was like February, I'd always have to pack two complete sets of clothes, because one day it was 20 degrees Fahrenheit in the morning and it was 75 degrees Fahrenheit in the evening, the morning, and it was 75 degrees Fahrenheit in the evening, and then it stayed. \n\nAnd then it stayed that way for about two days and then it went back to, back to 20. And uh, this happens about, I would say, in Calgary, you know Alberta. Uh, this would happen maybe three or four times during the winter mm-hmm yeah, so so so there? \n\nDean: well, there you go, so are you. Are you done with workshops therefore? \n\nDan: yeah, yeah of strategic coach does the whole office closed down from the 20th and 20th of well yeah 20th was our party, so that was friday night. So we have a big in toronto. We have a big christmas party. You know, we have 80 or 90 of our team members and they bring their other, whatever their other is and not all of them, but a lot of them do and now we're closed down until the 6th, uh, 6th of january. That's great. Yeah, you know what? \n\nDean: a lot of people that's 17 days, that's that's 17 days yeah that's a very interesting thing. \n\nDan: So you know, it's like um so completely shut down as there's nobody in the office nobody, you know there's people who check packages like, okay, yeah, and they live right around the corner from the office, so they just go in and you know they check and, um, you know, and if, um, but no phone calls are being taken, it's like uh company free days. \n\nDean: Is that what it is? \n\nDan: yeah, there. \n\nDean: There's no phone calls being answered, no emails being attended to, anything like that. It's all just shut down. \n\nDan: I'm going to take a guess and say yes. \n\nDean: Right. That's great and that's kind of you know what. One of the things that I've often said about you and the organization is that you are actually like products of your environment. You actually do what you see. \n\nDan: We're the product of our preaching. \n\nDean: That's exactly right Organizationally and individually. Right Organizationally and individually. And when I tell people that new hires at Strategic Coach get six weeks of three days After three months. \n\nDan: After three months. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they don't get any free days for the first three months, but you know, and they pass the test, you know they pass the test. Then in the first year year, they get six weeks, six weeks, yeah, and it's interesting, right? \n\nDean: Nobody gets more. Right, everybody gets six weeks. \n\nDan: Shannon Waller, who's been with us for 33 years. She gets her six weeks and everybody else gets their six weeks, and our logic for this is that we don't consider this compensation OK right, we do it for two reasons so that people don't burn out. \n\nYou know they don't get, you know they they're not working, working, working, in that they start being ineffective, so they take a break. So they take a break and we give a one month grace period in January If you haven't taken your previous six weeks for the year before. You can take them during January, but you can't carry over. So there's no building up of three days over the years. Right, yeah, if you have, if you don't take them, you lose them. And but the other thing about it that really works one, they don't burn out. But number two, you can't take your free days in your particular role in the company, unless someone is trained to fill in with you so it actually it actually pushes cross training, you know. \n\nSo in some roles it's three deep, you know they, yeah, there's three people who can do the role, and so you know you know, we've been at it for 35 years and it works yeah, oh, that's awesome dan I was curious about your you know. \n\nDean: Do you have any kind of year end practices or anything that you do for you know, preparing for the new year, reflecting on the old year, do you do anything like that? \n\nDan: I'd probably go through a bottle ofish whiskey a little bit quicker during that period that's the best I'm. I'm not saying that that's required, but sometimes exactly, just observation. \n\nYeah, uh-huh you know, knowing you, like you know you right, yeah, yeah, not that it's noticeable you know I try to not make it noticeable. Uh, the other thing, the other thing about it is that we don't go away for the holidays. We we just stay put, because babs and I do a lot of traveling, especially now with our medical our medical journeys, uh and uh. I just like chilling, I just like to chill. I know, you know I I'm really into, um, uh, historical novels. Right now dealing with the british navy, the royal navy around 1800. \n\nSo the golden age of sailing ships is just before steam power was, you know, was applied to ships. These are warships and and also before you know, they went over to metal. The boats started being steel rather than wood. And it's just the glory period. I mean, they were at the height of skill. I mean just the extraordinary teamwork it took to. You know just sailing, but then you know battles, war battles and everything Just extraordinary. This is cannons right, yeah. \n\nThese were cannons, yeah, extraordinary, this is cannons, right? Yeah, these are cannons, yeah, and the big ones had 120 cannons on them, the big ships, right before the switchover, they just had this incredible firepower. And the Brits were best, the British were the best for pretty well 100, 150 years, and then it ended. \n\nIt ended during the 1800s. Midway through the 1800s you started getting metal steam-powered ships and then it entirely changed. Yes, yeah, but back to your question Now. You know I do a lot of planning all the time. You know I do daily planning, weekly planning, quarterly planning. I call it projecting. I'm projecting more than planning. The schedule is pretty well set for me. I would say on the 1st of January, my next 365 days are 80% structured already. \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: Yeah, and then you leave room for things that come up. You know, one of the things I really enjoy and I'm sure you do, dean is where I get invitations to do podcasts and we tell people you got to give us at least 30 days when you make a request before we can fill it in. But I've had about, I think during 2024, I think I had about 10. These weren't our scheduled podcasts with somebody these? Were. These were invitations, and yeah. I really enjoy that. \n\nDean: Yeah, I do too, and that's kind of a I think you're. This is the first year, dan, that I've gone into the year, going into 2025, here with a 80% of my year locked, like you said. Like I know when my Breakthrough Blueprint events are, I know when my Zoom workshops are, I know when my member calls are, all of those things that kind of scaffolding is already in place right now. \n\nAnd that's the first. You know that's the first year that I've done that level of planning ahead all the way through. You know, going to London and Amsterdam in June and Australia in November and get it the whole thing, having it all already on the books, is a nice that's a nice thing, and now I'm I'm really getting into. \n\nI find this going into 2025 is kind of a special thing, because this is like a, you know, a 25 year. You know, I kind of like look at that as the beginning of a 25 year cycle. You know, I think there's something reflective about the turn of a century and 25 year, you know the quarters of a century kind of thing, because we talk about that 25-year time frame, do you? You're right now, though you are five years into a 25-year framework, right, in terms of your 75 to 100, was your 25? Yeah, my guess, my yeah, I didn't. \n\nDan: I didn't do it on that basis I know I did it uh, uh. Um, I have done it that way before, but now it's I'm just uh 80 to 100, because 100 is an interesting number. \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: And plus I have that tool called the best decade ever. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: And so I'm really focused just on this. 80 to 90, 80 years old, and when I measured from 70 to 80, so this was about two years before it was two months before I got to my 80th birthday. I created this tool. And I just reflected back how much I'd gotten done. \n\nDean: 70 to 80. \n\nDan: And it occurred to me that it was greater than what I'd gotten done 70 to 80. \n\nDean: Yeah, and it occurred to me that it was greater than what I had done from birth to 80. \n\nDan: Birth to 70. \n\nDean: Birth to 70. Yeah, yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: So I had accomplished more in the last 10 years and I used two criteria creativity and productivity like coming up with making up more stuff. And then the other thing just getting lots of stuff done, and so I've got that going for 80 to 90. And it's very motivating. I find that a very motivating structure. I don't say I think about it every day, but I certainly think about it every week. \n\nDean: That's what I was very curious about. I was thinking this morning about the because this period of time here, this two weeks here, last two weeks of the year, I'm really getting clear on, you know, the next 25 years. I like these frameworks. I think it's valuable to look back over the last 25 years and to look forward to the next 25 years. \n\nAnd you and I've had that conversation like literally we're talking about everything. That is, everything that's you know current and the most important things right now have weren't even really in the cards in 2000. You know, as we were coming into you, know, we all thought in 1999, there was a good chance that the world was going to blow up, right y2k. \n\nDan: Everybody was uh some of us did. \n\nDean: I love that but you know, it just goes to show. \n\nDan: Yeah, I thought it was uh right yeah, there was this momentary industry called being a y2k consultant you know computer consultant and I thought it was a neat marketing trick. The only problem is you can only pull it off once every thousand years. \n\nDean: Oh yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, but there was vast amount. I mean all the big consulting, you know, mckinsey and all those people. They were just raking in the money you know they were out there, All those people they were just raking in the money. \n\nDean: You know they were out there. You know, I think probably the previous five years. \n\nDan: It was probably a five year industry you know they probably started in 1995, and they said oh, you don't realize this, but somebody didn't give enough room to make the change. You know every computer system in the world is um, we forgot to program this in. They're all going to cease to. They're going to cease to operate on. Yeah and then. But all you had to do is watch new year's from australia and you knew that wasn't true, do? \n\nDean: you know what? Uh, yeah, jesse, uh, jesse dejardin, who I believe you met one time, used to work with me, but he was the head of social for Australia, for Tourism Australia. Yeah, and when the world I don't know if you remember in 2012, the world was supposed to end, that was, uh, yeah, a big thing and uh so, that was that, wasn't that? \n\nDan: uh, it was based on a stone tablet. \n\nDean: That they found somewhere. South America, south America, yes, it was yes, peruvian it was uh, that's right, I think it was? \n\nDan: I think it was the inca inca account yeah, yeah mayan or inca calendar. \n\nDean: That's what it was, the mayan calendar. \n\nDan: That's what it was ended in 2012. Yeah, and so jesse had the foresight it actually ended for them quite a bit earlier oh man, it's so funny. Yeah, you don't get much news from the mayan, no, no you say like when they created that mayan calendar. \n\nDean: They had to end it sometime. Would you say something like that listen, that's enough, let's stop here, we don't even keep going forever. \n\nDan: You know what I think the problem was? I think they ran out of stone I think you're probably right. \n\nDean: They're like this is enough already. \n\nDan: They got right to the edge of the stone and they said well, you know, jeez, let's go get another. Do you know how much work it is to get one of these stones? That? Oh yeah, chisel on yeah yeah. \n\nDean: so jesse had the uh, jesse had the foresight that at midnight on Australia they're the first, yeah, to put the thing up. So once they made it past, they made a post that said all it said was we're okay. \n\nDan: We're okay. \n\nDean: You know, it was just so brilliant. You know we're okay. \n\nDan: You know the the stuff that humans will make up to scare themselves oh man, I think that that's really along those lines. I just did a perplexity search this morning yeah and uh. For those who don't know what perplexity is, it's an a really a very congenial ai program and I put in um uh uh 10, um crucial periods of us history that were more politically polarized and violent than 2024. \n\nDean: Okay. \n\nDan: And you know, three seconds later I got the answer and there were 10. And very, very clearly, just from their little descriptions of what they were, they were clearly much more politically polarized and violent than they are right now. Yeah, the real period was, I mean the most. I mean Civil War was by far. \n\nDean: Of course. \n\nDan: Civil War, and. But the 1890s were just incredible. You had, you had a president. Garfield was assassinated in the 90s and then, right at 1991, mckinley was. So you had two presidents. There were judges assassinated, there were law officials, other politicians who were assassinated. There were riots where 200 people would die, you know, and everything like that. And you know, and you know, so nothing, I mean this guy, you know, the CEO of UnitedHealthcare gets shot on the street and everybody says, oh, you know, this is just the end. We're tipping over as a society. \n\nAnd I said nah nah, it's been worse tipping over as a society and I said nah, nah, there's been worse. \n\nDean: Yeah, I think about uh. \n\nDan: I mean you know you remember back uh in the 70s, I remember you know I mean in the 60s and 70s assassination attempts and playing yeah, well, they're hijacking. Yeah, there were three. You had the two Kennedys and Martin Luther King were assassinated within five years of each other. I remember the 60s as being much more tumultuous and violent. Yeah it seems like. \n\nDean: I remember, as I was first coming aware of these things, and I remember, as I was first coming aware of these things, that you know remember when. And then Ronald Reagan, that was the last one, until Trump, that was the last actual attempt right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: You know one thing you got to say about Trump. \n\nDean: Tell me. \n\nDan: Lucky, he's very lucky. \n\nDean: Yes, but in a good sense lucky, no, no, I mean that I think luck is very important. \n\nDan: Luck is very important, you know but, he's lucky, and his opponents, you know. I mean he had Hillary and you know, that was good luck, and Joe turned out to be good luck. You know, Joe Biden turned out to be good luck. And then Kamala was. I mean, you couldn't order up one like that from Amazon and have it delivered to you? \n\nOh man, yeah, I mean, yeah, that you know. And, uh, you know, I mean, you know, the news media were so, uh, bought in. You know that it was like, oh, this is going to be really close. This is, oh, you know, this is going to be razor thin. We may not know for days what the election is. And when Miami-Dade went to Trump, I said it's over. Miami-dade's been Democratic since, you know, since the 70s. You know, Miami-Dade. \n\nDean: And. \n\nDan: I said if Miami-Dade this is like the first thing in this is, like you know, when they start eight o'clock I think it was seven o'clock or eight o'clock. \n\nDean: I'm not sure Eastern. \n\nDan: And they said Miami-Dade has just gone to Trump and I said that's over, I went to bed at nine o'clock. I went to bed at nine o'clock oh man. That's so funny. Yeah, but that's the news media. \n\nYou know they got, so bought into one side of the political spectrum that they, you know, they were, you know, and I think what Elon is introducing is a medium that's 50-50. You know, like they, they've done surveys of x. You know who, yes, seems to be. You know, it's like 50-50. It's 50 um republican, 50 democratic or 50 liberal, 50 conservative, whatever you know. Uh, you want to do about it, but I think he's pioneering a new news medium oh for sure. \n\nDean: I mean. Well, we've seen, you know, if you look at over the last 25 years, that you know we've gone from nobody having a voice to everybody, everybody having a voice. And I mean it's absolutely true, right Like that's the, that's the biggest. I think that's the. I guess what Peter Diamandis would call democratization, right Of everything. As it became digitized, it's like there's nothing stopping, there's no cost, there's no cost. \n\nDan: There's no cost. There's no cost and there's nothing stopping anybody from having a radio station or having a television station or, you know, magazine, like a newsletter, or any of that thing we've got. In all the ways, it's completely possible for every human to meet every other human. Here's a, here's a question. Uh, I have and uh, I I don't know how you would actually prove it. So it's uh just a question for pondering do you think that the um people were just as crazy before they had a voice as they are after having the voice, or is it having the voice that makes them crazy? \n\nDean: I think it's having access to so many convincing dissenting or, uh, you know voices like I'm talking about the person who's the broadcaster you know they weren't a broadcaster 25 years because there wasn't a medium for doing. \n\nDefinitely, uh, I think there's definitely a piling on, yeah, of it that I think that you know. If you think about your only access to crazy opinions and I say crazy with air quotes it is was somebody you know in, uh, in your local environment. It's like you remember even in toronto, remember, they had speakers corner. Uh, yeah, sydney tv had speakers corner where you could go and down on uh down on uh cane street queen street down on queen and john queen and John Queen and John Street. I lived about three plus. \n\nDan: Yeah, you never paid any attention to them. I mean you, I just made sure I was on the other side of the street walking, so they wouldn't, try to engage me you know and uh and uh, yeah, so I. So having the capability uh has its own bad consequence, for for some people, yeah, I think so, because the um, you know, I mean you and I couldn't be crazy like this, like we're doing right now. \n\nDean: We couldn't have been crazy like this 25 years ago, but we would have had to just do it together at table 10,. Just yeah, just talk, that's all it is we just let everybody else now hear it? Come listen in. \n\nDan: I don't think we're crazy. I think we're the height of sanity. I think we're the height of sanity. \n\nDean: I do too, Absolutely. Yeah, it's so, but I do. I definitely think that that's that's one of the things is that it's very it's much more difficult to discern. Discernment is a is a big. You need discernment in this, in this period more than ever probably do you have that in your working genius? \n\nDan: do you have that in your working genius? \n\nDean: yeah, that's my number one thing discernment. I think we're the same, yeah invention and discernment which which is first. \n\nDan: Mine is invention and discernment. \n\nDean: Okay, so mine is discernment and invention. And it's an interesting. Chad Jenkins has been asking this. He's been kind of exploring with people what he calls their perpetual question, like what's the constant question? That is kind of like the driving question of what you do. \n\nDan: Do you know yours? \n\nDean: I do. I think, in looking at it, mine is what should we do? \n\nDan: I know, what mine is, what's yours? I wonder how far I can go. \n\nDean: I wonder how far I can go. I like that. \n\nDan: I've had that since I was 11 years old. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, that's really. It's very interesting, right like I look at it. That, uh, you know, there were years ago, um, there was a guy, bob beal, who wrote a book called uh, stop setting goals if you'd rather solve problems or something. And so I think I'm, I am a problem solver. Simplifier, you know, as I learn all the layers about what I am, is that I'm able to I just think about, as my MO is to look at a situation and see, well, what do we need to do? Right, like, what's the outcome that we really want? Right, like, what's the what, what's the outcome that we really want, and then go into inventing the simplest, most direct path to effectively get that outcome and that's the driver of, of all of the uh things you know. \n\nso I'm always. I think the layer of I think it's a subtlety, but the layer of discernment before inventing, for me is that I limit the inventing to the as a simplifier, you know, and I think you as a, you know I'm an obstacle bypasser, a crusher, uh-huh, uh, no, I I just say, uh, what's the way around this? \n\nDan: so I don't have to deal with it. \n\nDean: Yeah, yes and uh, yeah and uh I can't tell you that you that that progression of is there any way I could get this without doing anything, followed by what's the least that I could do to get this. And then, ok, is there, and who's the person? \n\nDan: who's the person that can do it? Now I tell you, I've already thought about that 10 times this morning. \n\nDean: It's a constant. \n\nDan: It's right there. It's right there. It's a companion. And I sit there and you know, for example, you get caught in a situation where you have to. You know you have to wait, you know like you have to wait and I asked myself is there any way I can solve this without doing nothing? And I said yes, you have to just be patient for 10 minutes. Ok, I'm patient for 10 minutes. You know, oh, right, yeah, yeah you know, yeah, I experienced that a lot at Pearson Airport. Oh, yeah, right, yeah, yeah. \n\nDean: Right, yeah, yeah, for sure, there's a lot of travel shenanigans, but I think, when you really look at, I think just it's fascinating what shifting your, shifting your view by an hour can do in travel. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, if your target is to arrive three hours, yeah, you start the process one hour earlier than you would normally. There's so much, so much room for margin, so much. \n\nDan: Uh, it's so much more relaxing, you know yeah, it takes us anywhere from uh 40 minutes to an hour to get to Pearson from the beach. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: And so we leave three hours before the flight time three hours. And we're there and actually the US going to the US. They have a nice on one side. They've got some really really great um seating arrangements, tables and everything and uh, I really like it. I like getting there and, yes, you know, we starbucks is there, I get a coffee and yeah, you know I sit there and I'll just, uh, you know, I'll read my novel or whatever, or you know I have my laptop so I can work on it. \n\nBut my killer question in those situations is it's 1924, how long does this trip take me? That's the best right. \n\nDean: Yeah, or if that's not good enough 1824. Right, exactly. \n\nDan: Right, exactly yeah. \n\nDean: I just think. I mean, it's such a, would you say, dan, like your orientation, are you spending the majority of your time? Where do you, where do you live mentally, like? How much time do you spend reflecting on or, you know, thinking about the past, thinking about the future and thinking about right now? \n\nDan: well, I think about the past, uh, quite a bit from the standpoint of creating the tools, because I don't know if you've noticed the progression like over the year, almost every tool has you say well, what have you done up until now? \n\nyou know, and then your top three things that you've done up until now. And then, looking ahead, you you always brainstorm. That's a Dean Jackson add-on that I've added to. All the tools is brainstorming. And then you pick the top three for the past up until the present. And then you brainstorm what could I do over the next 12 months? And then you pick the top three. But the past is only interesting to me in terms is there a value back there that I can apply right now to, uh, building a better future? \n\nDean: you know, I don't. \n\nDan: I don't think I have an ounce of nostalgia or sentimentality about the past you know, or yearning, you know you don't want. No, I get you know, especially especially now you know it's uh. The boomers are now in their 70s. And I have to tell you, Dean, there's nothing more depressing than a nostalgic baby boomer. \n\nDean: Yeah, back in our day, You're right. \n\nDan: Yeah, that's back in the day, back in your day, you were unconscious. \n\nYeah right, yeah, right, yeah, and I really I noticed it happening because the first boomers started to be 65. So 46, 46 and 65 was the 2011. They started to, you know, they crossed the 65 year mark and I started noticing, starting yeah, oh boy, you know, I'm really spending a lot of time with the people I graduated from high school with and I said, oh yeah, that's interesting, why haven't you seen them for 40 years? Right, yeah, yeah, I went to a 25-year graduation reunion, yeah, so I graduated in 62, so that was 87. And I went back and we had clients here and I told people you know, I'm going back for a high school reunion. I got back and there was an event, a party, and they said, well, how was that? And I said nobody came. None of them came. And he says you had a reunion and nobody came. I said no, they sent a bunch of old people in their place. \n\nYou know they were talking about retirement. I only got another 20 years to retirement. I said, gee, wow, wow, wow I can't believe that. I mean, if you haven't seen someone for 50 years, there was a reason. \n\nDean: Yeah, absolutely. I just look at these. You know I graduated in 85. \n\nSo 40 years this year that just seems impossible, dan, like I just I remember you know so clearly. I have such clarity of memory of every year of that you know the last 40 years, that you know the last 40 years, but you know it's. It's a very. What I've had to consciously do is kind of narrow my attention span to the this. What I'm working on is getting to more in the actionable present kind of thing. You know more in the actionable present kind of thing, you know, because I tend to, I mean looking forward. You know if you, it's funny we can see so clearly back 25 years, even 40 years. We've got such great recollection of it. \n\nBut what we're not really that great at is projecting forward, of looking forward as to what's the next 25 years going to look like. \n\nDan: Well, you couldn't have done it back then either? \n\nDean: then either, and that's what I wondered. So you, I remember, uh, you know, 25 years ago we had we've talked about the um, you know the investment decisions of starbucks and berkshire hathaway and procter and gamble. Those were the three that I chose. But if on reflection now, looking back at them, I could have, because they were there. I could have chosen Apple and Google and Amazon. They would have been the, they would have been eclipsed, those three. \n\nDan: Yeah, but you did all right. \n\nDean: Yeah, absolutely no. No, here's the thing. \n\nDan: The big thing isn't what you invested in, it's what you stayed invested in. Yes, it's moving around. That kills your investment. We have whole life insurance, which is insurance with cash value. It's been 30 years now and the average has been 7% per year for 30 years now and the average has been 7% per year for 30 years. Yeah, I mean, that's interest. I mean interest. So it's not a capital gain, it's just interest. \n\nDean: I was just going to say, and you can access the money. \n\nDan: It's like a bank. It's like your own personal bank. We have an agreement with one of the Canadian banks here that we can borrow up to 95% against the cash value, and the investment keeps on going you just took out a loan. It doesn't affect the investment. What's his name? \n\nDean: Morgan H morgan household. \n\nDan: He talks about that. Yeah, he said it's the movement that uh kills you. Yes, he says, just find something you know you know, government bonds are good over 25 years. I mean people say yeah but I could have gone 100. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you have to think about it. This way, you don't have to think about it. Right yeah that was the Toronto real estate. Toronto real estate, you know, geez yeah. \n\nDean: Yeah, you're right, do you? \n\nDan: know what the average price of a single detached is in GTA right now? I don't know. It's over a million dollars. Yeah, it's about 1.2, 1.4. That's a single detached, I'm not talking about a big place? No, no exactly. \n\nDean: Just a three-bedroom, two-bed single-family home Too bad single family home. I remember when I was starting out in Georgetown the average price of that million dollar bungalow now is like a staple was a bungalow that was built in the 50s and 60s three bedroom, 1,200 square foot. Three bedroom brick bungalow uh, was on a 50-foot lot. Was uh a hundred and sixty five thousand dollars, yeah, and it was so funny, because now it's two uh, probably, uh, georgetown. \n\nGeorgetown is a very desirable place, yes, and so, uh, when you look at the, I remember carol mcleod, who was in my office. She'd been in real estate for you know, 20, 20 years when, uh, when I joined the office and she remembers thinking when, the price of a prince charles bungalow there was a street called prince charles in, uh, georges, it was kind of like the staple of the uh, the like the consumer price index, bread basket kind of thing when a, uh, when a prince charles bungalow went for $100,000, she thought that was the end of the world. That that's like. This is unsustainable $100,000 for a house. Who's got that kind of money? How are people gonna be able to sustain this? I just think, man, that's so crazy, but you think about it. Do you remember when Dave Winfield got a million-dollar contract for baseball? \n\nDan: Oh yeah. \n\nDean: What an amazing thing. That was the million-dollar man. It's crazy. Now you know. \n\nDan: Yeah, you know, it's really interesting If you take the salaries, let's say the Yankees right now the. Yankees, ok, and you know they're there. You know they have some huge, huge, huge contracts, you know, I think I'm trying to think of the biggest one. \n\nDean: Well, aaron Judge, you know, is like three, three hundred and twenty million judge, you know is like three, 320 million, you know, and uh, but the guy in LA just you know, 700 million yeah, 760, 760 and Soto Soto with the mats. \n\nDan: He just I think his is around 702 and uh and everything and people say this is just unsustainable. If you add up all the salaries of, you know, the yankees, their entire team, you know um, uh and, and average it out against what the market value of the yankees is. Yeah, you know, like this total salary. \n\nDean: The average is exactly the same as it was 70 years ago and that's the thing people don't understand, that these salaries are based on collective bargaining and the basketball, for instance, half of the money goes to the players. So half of all the revenue from tickets and TV and media and merchandise, all of that stuff, half of the money that the organization makes, has to go to the players. And so on a basketball team they have maybe 12 players who are getting all of that money. \n\nDan: You know, so that see the basketball players get I think it's 15, I think they have 15 now. 15, now 15 players. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, yeah so you look at that and it's like, uh wow, now collectively they have to be within their, their salary cap or whatever is, yeah, 50, 50 percent of their revenue. But I mean it's kind of, uh, it's market value, right, it's all relative, yep yep, yep, yeah, and all the owners are billionaires. \n\nDan: You know, they're. They mostly use it for a tax write-off, I mean that's yeah, yeah, yeah I have to tell you talk about tax write-off. About three blocks from us here in the beaches in Toronto, there's an Indian restaurant that's been there for about two years and every night we come by it on the way back from the office and I've never seen any customers. I've never once if I pass that restaurant and this is during business hours. I've never seen, I've never once if I pass that restaurant and this is during business hours yeah I've never. \n\nI've never seen it and I said I got a feeling there's some money laundering that's crazy. \n\nDean: It's like I I look at the um, I'm trying right now, and this this next couple of weeks. One of the things I'm really gonna uh reflect on is kind of looking forward. I think about I did this with our realtors. I created an RIP for 2024. So RIP meaning reflection on what actually happened in the last year for you how many transactions, how much revenue, how much whatever came in. And then inflection, looking at what is it right now, where are you at and what trajectory is that on right? If you're looking, what are the things that you could make a change on? And then projecting projection into 2025. And I realized you know part. One of the things I said to the people is you can't same your way to different, that's, you can't save your way to different. \n\nI mean that's really if you're thinking that something different is going to happen. Something different has to take place. \n\nDan: You can't crazy your way to normal either. \n\nDean: Exactly. \n\nDan: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's really. It's really. Yeah. I think you know that Morgan House book. We gave it out. We gave it out. I have to check on that. I put in a request for that. I don't know if it went out, you know, but he's just I. I told joe he should have him as a speaker at the national the annual event yeah, yeah, I think it'd be good. I mean because joe's really, really, really got to hustle now, because he uh really established a new standard for who he has. \n\nBut yeah, I was just looking at an article this morning because it reminded me of who Joe had. He had Robert Kennedy and Jordan. Peterson and Tucker Carlson, tucker Carlson, yeah. \n\nDean: And it was great. \n\nDan: It was great. And then I was thinking about the role that elon musk is playing in the us government. There's no precedent for this in us history, that you have a person like that, who's just brought in with somebody else, vivek ramaswamy and uh, they're just given a department of government. \n\nDean: A department of government oh, did I miss a vivek uh appointment. Was he appointed to something? \n\nDan: no, he's, he's appointed with uh, with um with uh, elon, oh, I see, okay, yeah. Yeah, it's called the department of government efficiency right okay, uh, which may be a contradiction in terms, but anyway, but they're hiring people, but the people they hire don't get any salary. You have to volunteer, you have to volunteer to work. \n\nSo you got to have, you got to be well funded to work there. You know you got to. I mean you got to be living off your own savings, your own investments, while you're there. You know you got to. I mean, you got to be living off your own savings your own investments while you're there. But I was thinking because we've been observers now for 13, actually just a year of President Milley in Argentina and he's cut government costs by 30% in one year. \n\nDean: Wow, yeah there's interesting stuff. \n\nDan: He eliminated or really cut 12 departments. Nine of the departments he just got rid of you know the one, you know they have departments like tuck you in safely at night, sort of that had about that, had about 5000 employees, you know, and you know, and send letters to your mom let her know you know that sort of department, but they were just creating employment, employment, employment where people didn't really have to work, and he got rid of seventy five thousand federal employees in a country of forty Forty six million. \n\nForty six million, he got rid of seventy five thousand. Well, in the US, if they did equal proportions, we're about 350, so 46, that's about seven, seven, eight times. That would get rid of 550,000. I think it's doable, yeah. \n\nDean: I mean that's fascinating and we don't get access to that right. You sought that out and you only came into contact with that because you're a frequent traveler to Argentina. Yeah, Argentina, and it feels better, yeah, and it feels better. \n\nDan: We were noticing because we hadn't been there since March and we were there right at the end of November. We were there right at the end of Thanksgiving. We were actually American Thanksgiving. We were that week, we were down there and the place just feels better. You can just feel it there, there, and the place just feels better. You can just feel it. There is uh, you know, and uh, you know, and there's a real mood shift, you know, when people just feel that all this money is being, you know, confiscated and paid to people who aren't working. You know that yeah it doesn't feel good. \n\nDoesn't feel good, then there's Canada, then there's Canada. \n\nDean: Right. \n\nDan: Yes. \n\nDean: It's great entertainment, I'll tell you. Well, you know it's funny. I don't know whether I mentioned last time, the guy from El Salvador, what he's done in since being elected. You're a young guy, I think he was elected at 35 or 37. And he's completely turned around the crime rate in El Salvador by being 100%. \n\nDan: You just have a 50,000 convict prison. Well, that's exactly right, yeah, yeah. And that's the thing. \n\nDean: It's like lock him up. That's the thing. \n\nDan: He's like led, and they guard themselves. It's a self-guarding prison. \n\nDean: Is that right? I didn't know that. No, no, I'm just kidding, I'm just playing on your theme. \n\nDan: Right right, right'm just kidding, I'm just playing on your thing. \n\nDean: Right, right, right, yeah, yeah. Well, that would be the combination, right, self-guarding. That would be the most efficient way to have the situation. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. \n\nDean: But it is amazing what can happen when you have a focus on one particular thing. \n\nDan: Well, you know what it is. I think partially and Peter Zion talks about this that, generally speaking, the way the world has been organized, during the 20th century the US really didn't pay much attention to South America, latin America at all, and never has you know the. United States never has, because they've been east and west, you know it's either Europe or it's Asia. \n\nBut now that the US has decided that they're going to be very discerning about who gets to trade with them they're very discerning about who gets the benefit of US protection and everything else All of a sudden, the South Americans are getting their houses in order which they haven't been. \n\nIt's been a century of mostly really bad government in Latin America. Now they're all getting things in order so that when the US looks south, they're front of the line. The only thing that the US really paid any attention to was Cuba Cuba's like a piece of meat. \n\nDean: You can't yeah. \n\nDan: The only thing that the US really paid any attention to was Cuba. Yes, right, cuba's like a piece of meat you can't get out of your teeth. For the United. States and your tongue is going crazy, trying to get that piece of meat out of you. It's just been sort of an annoying place, it's just been sort of an annoying place. \n\nDean: Yeah, this is, I think when you look at you know Peter Zions stuff too. If you think about definitely the trend over the next 25 years is definitely more. \n\nDan: I think it's trend lines are really almost eerily accurate. The one thing he doesn't understand, though, is US politics. I found that he doesn't have a clue about US politics. \n\nHe's a Democrat. He told me he was a Democrat. I spent it. He came and spent a day at Genius, yes, and he said that he was a Democrat. He's an environmentalist, and you know, and you know, and. But he says but I can also do math, you know, he says I can do math so you can see what, which direction the numbers are going in. But he, I mean right up until a week before the election, he says Kamala is going to take it, Kamala is going to take it. You know and everything like that. \n\nSo he didn't. He didn't have any real sense of the shifts that were going on voter shifts that were going on. I mean Trump went in and almost every county. There's 3,000 counties in the United States and he didn't go backwards in any of the counties, he went up in every county. \n\nDean: Oh, wow, that's interesting so you didn't lose anything. \n\nDan: That's really widespread. I mean, there isn't 3,001. There's just 3,000. Yeah, and he went up. It was just as it was. Like you know, it was like the tide came in. I think I've never seen in my lifetime, I've never really seen a shift of that proportion. And I wonder, you know, you look at over the new political establishment. Well, this isn't my thought George Friedman, who was Peter Zion's, because the political establishment in the United States, in other words, where the proportion of the votes are, is going to be working class. \n\nIt won't be highly educated you know, professional people. For one thing, ai is really feeding. You know, if you have somebody's making $30,000 a year and somebody else is making $100,000 a year, which job would you like to eliminate to economize? \n\nDean: Right, yeah, yeah, you look at the. That's one thing I think we, like I, look at when I am thinking about the next 25 years. I think about what are the like there's no way to predict. There was no way in 1999 to predict YouTube and Facebook and the things that are TikTok, you know, or AI, all of that impact right. \n\nBut I think there. But, like I said, there was evidence that if you were, if you believe, guessing and betting, as you would say, you could see that the path that Amazon was on made sense and the path that Apple was on and the path that Google was on, all are ai for certain. Like that dna, all the like the things that are that we're learning about stem cells and genetics, and all of that kind of stuff. And Bitcoin, I guess, right, digital currency, crypto, you know everything. Just removing friction. \n\nDan: Yeah, I think the whole blockchain makes sense. Yeah, yeah, you know. I mean I think the thing in the US dollar makes sense. Yeah, $1.44 yesterday. It's up 10 cents in the last eight weeks. Wow, yeah, I think when you were there in September it was $1.34, probably $1.34. \n\nDean: Now it's $1.44. Oh, that's great yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: And yeah, so yeah, I mean the ones that I mean. People say, well, bitcoin, you know Bitcoin is going to become the reserve currency. I said there's 21 million of them. It can't become the reserve currency. \n\nDean: Right right. \n\nDan: There is no currency that can replace the dollar. \n\nDean: You know, it's just. \n\nDan: And still have a livable planet. \n\nDean: Mm-hmm, anyway, we've covered territory. \n\nDan: We've covered territory today. \n\nDean: We have Holy cow. It's already 1203. \n\nDan: That's amazing. We covered a lot of territory. \n\nDean: We really did. \n\nDan: But the one thing that is predictable is the structure that you can put onto your schedule. That is predictable. \n\nDean: You know, I have one. \n\nDan: I have a thing I hadn't talked to you about this, but this is something I do is that when I start tomorrow, I look at next week, ok, and I just look at and and I just get a sense and then I'll put together some changes. I'd like Becca Miller she's my high beams into the future and she does all my scheduling and so I'll notice that some things can be rearranged, which if I got to next week I couldn't rearrange them. But I can rearrange them on Monday of this week for next week. \n\nDean: But I I couldn't do it on. \n\nDan: Monday of next for that week. So more and more this this year. Um, every uh Monday I'm going to look at the week uh, not this week, but the week ahead and make changes. I think, I bet there's uh, you know, like a five to 10% greater efficiency. That happens just by having that one habit. \n\nDean: Yeah, dan, I'm really getting down to, I'm looking at and I do that same thing. But looking at this next, the 100 hours is really from. You know, hours is really from Monday morning at eight o'clock till Friday at noon is a hundred hours and that to me, is when everything that's the actionable period, and then really on a daily basis, getting it to this, the next 100 minutes is really that's where the real stuff takes place. So anyway, I always love the conversations. \n\nDan: Yep, back to you next week. Yes, sir, have a great day. I'll talk to you soon. \n\nDean: Bye, okay, bye. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, Dan and I explore how organizations can balance productivity with employee well-being through structured breaks and strategic planning. Dan shares insights from Strategic Coach\u0026#39;s approach of giving employees six weeks off after three months of work, using Calgary\u0026#39;s changing weather as a metaphor for workplace adaptability. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eLooking at the British Royal Navy\u0026#39;s history, we discuss how its organizational structure relates to modern planning methods. Dean explains his 80/20 framework for yearly planning—using 80% for structured goals while keeping 20% open for unexpected opportunities, which helps teams stay focused while remaining flexible.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe conversation turns to a long-term perspective through 25-year frameworks, examining how past achievements shape future goals. Dean shares a story about the Y2K panic to illustrate how technological changes influence our planning and adaptability.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe conclude with practical applications of these concepts, from cross-training team members to implementing daily time management strategies. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul style=\"list-style-type: circle;\"\u003e\n\u003c/center\u003e\n \u003cli\u003eWe discuss the adaptability of humans to different climates, using Calgary's Chinook weather patterns as an example, and emphasize the importance of taking breaks to prevent burnout, citing Strategic Coach's policy of providing six weeks off after three months.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eDean and I explore the planning strategies inspired by the golden age of the British Royal Navy, advocating for a structured year with 80% planning and 20% spontaneity to embrace life's unpredictability.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eDan reflects on using 25-year frameworks to evaluate past achievements and future aspirations, noting that he has accomplished more between ages 70 to 80 than from birth to 70.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe delve into the importance of discernment and invention, highlighting these skills as crucial for problem-solving and expressing creativity in today's world.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eDean talks about sports salaries, noting how they reflect economic trends, and discusses the financial structure of sports franchises, particularly in relation to player salaries and revenue.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe touch on government efficiency and cost-cutting measures, discussing figures like Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, and the impact of Argentina's President Milley.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eThe conversation shifts to global trends and AI's role in the future workforce, noting the significance of recognizing patterns and making informed predictions about future technological advancements.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eDean and I emphasize the importance of weekly and daily time management strategies, suggesting that structured planning can enhance both personal and professional effectiveness.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eDan shares his year-end practices, including reflecting on past years and planning for the new year, while also noting his personal preference for staying home during the holidays to relax and recharge.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe humorously recount historical events like the Y2K panic and discuss how technological shifts have historically reshaped industries and societal norms.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Sullivan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Jackson, I thought I\u0026#39;d just give you a minute or two to get settled in the throne. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, you see, there you go. I\u0026#39;m all settled, All settled and ready. Good, it\u0026#39;s a little bit chilly here, but not you know, not yeah it\u0026#39;s a little bit chilly here too. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s a little bit chilly here too. It just shows you there\u0026#39;s different kinds of little bits. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Different levels. Choose your chilly. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s so funny, are you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e in Toronto. It just brings up a thought that there are people who live in climates where 40 degrees below zero is not such a bad day. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And there are people who live in temperatures where it\u0026#39;s 120, and that\u0026#39;s not a too uncomfortable day. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So that\u0026#39;s 160 degrees variation. If nothing else, it proves that humans are quite adaptable. I think you\u0026#39;re right. I think you\u0026#39;re absolutely right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s what that shows. I use that example a lot when talking about climate change. We\u0026#39;re very adaptable. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah, yeah, there is a place in. I looked this up because in Western Canada I think in the Denver area too, they have a thing called a Chinook, and I\u0026#39;ve actually experienced it. I used to go to Calgary a lot for coach workshops and I\u0026#39;d always, if it was like February, I\u0026#39;d always have to pack two complete sets of clothes, because one day it was 20 degrees Fahrenheit in the morning and it was 75 degrees Fahrenheit in the evening, the morning, and it was 75 degrees Fahrenheit in the evening, and then it stayed. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then it stayed that way for about two days and then it went back to, back to 20. And uh, this happens about, I would say, in Calgary, you know Alberta. Uh, this would happen maybe three or four times during the winter mm-hmm yeah, so so so there? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e well, there you go, so are you. Are you done with workshops therefore? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e yeah, yeah of strategic coach does the whole office closed down from the 20th and 20th of well yeah 20th was our party, so that was friday night. So we have a big in toronto. We have a big christmas party. You know, we have 80 or 90 of our team members and they bring their other, whatever their other is and not all of them, but a lot of them do and now we\u0026#39;re closed down until the 6th, uh, 6th of january. That\u0026#39;s great. Yeah, you know what? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e a lot of people that\u0026#39;s 17 days, that\u0026#39;s that\u0026#39;s 17 days yeah that\u0026#39;s a very interesting thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So you know, it\u0026#39;s like um so completely shut down as there\u0026#39;s nobody in the office nobody, you know there\u0026#39;s people who check packages like, okay, yeah, and they live right around the corner from the office, so they just go in and you know they check and, um, you know, and if, um, but no phone calls are being taken, it\u0026#39;s like uh company free days. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Is that what it is? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e yeah, there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e There\u0026#39;s no phone calls being answered, no emails being attended to, anything like that. It\u0026#39;s all just shut down. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m going to take a guess and say yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. That\u0026#39;s great and that\u0026#39;s kind of you know what. One of the things that I\u0026#39;ve often said about you and the organization is that you are actually like products of your environment. You actually do what you see. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We\u0026#39;re the product of our preaching. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s exactly right Organizationally and individually. Right Organizationally and individually. And when I tell people that new hires at Strategic Coach get six weeks of three days After three months. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e After three months. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they don\u0026#39;t get any free days for the first three months, but you know, and they pass the test, you know they pass the test. Then in the first year year, they get six weeks, six weeks, yeah, and it\u0026#39;s interesting, right? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Nobody gets more. Right, everybody gets six weeks. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Shannon Waller, who\u0026#39;s been with us for 33 years. She gets her six weeks and everybody else gets their six weeks, and our logic for this is that we don\u0026#39;t consider this compensation OK right, we do it for two reasons so that people don\u0026#39;t burn out. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know they don\u0026#39;t get, you know they they\u0026#39;re not working, working, working, in that they start being ineffective, so they take a break. So they take a break and we give a one month grace period in January If you haven\u0026#39;t taken your previous six weeks for the year before. You can take them during January, but you can\u0026#39;t carry over. So there\u0026#39;s no building up of three days over the years. Right, yeah, if you have, if you don\u0026#39;t take them, you lose them. And but the other thing about it that really works one, they don\u0026#39;t burn out. But number two, you can\u0026#39;t take your free days in your particular role in the company, unless someone is trained to fill in with you so it actually it actually pushes cross training, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo in some roles it\u0026#39;s three deep, you know they, yeah, there\u0026#39;s three people who can do the role, and so you know you know, we\u0026#39;ve been at it for 35 years and it works yeah, oh, that\u0026#39;s awesome dan I was curious about your you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you have any kind of year end practices or anything that you do for you know, preparing for the new year, reflecting on the old year, do you do anything like that? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;d probably go through a bottle ofish whiskey a little bit quicker during that period that\u0026#39;s the best I\u0026#39;m. I\u0026#39;m not saying that that\u0026#39;s required, but sometimes exactly, just observation. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, uh-huh you know, knowing you, like you know you right, yeah, yeah, not that it\u0026#39;s noticeable you know I try to not make it noticeable. Uh, the other thing, the other thing about it is that we don\u0026#39;t go away for the holidays. We we just stay put, because babs and I do a lot of traveling, especially now with our medical our medical journeys, uh and uh. I just like chilling, I just like to chill. I know, you know I I\u0026#39;m really into, um, uh, historical novels. Right now dealing with the british navy, the royal navy around 1800. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo the golden age of sailing ships is just before steam power was, you know, was applied to ships. These are warships and and also before you know, they went over to metal. The boats started being steel rather than wood. And it\u0026#39;s just the glory period. I mean, they were at the height of skill. I mean just the extraordinary teamwork it took to. You know just sailing, but then you know battles, war battles and everything Just extraordinary. This is cannons right, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThese were cannons, yeah, extraordinary, this is cannons, right? Yeah, these are cannons, yeah, and the big ones had 120 cannons on them, the big ships, right before the switchover, they just had this incredible firepower. And the Brits were best, the British were the best for pretty well 100, 150 years, and then it ended. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt ended during the 1800s. Midway through the 1800s you started getting metal steam-powered ships and then it entirely changed. Yes, yeah, but back to your question Now. You know I do a lot of planning all the time. You know I do daily planning, weekly planning, quarterly planning. I call it projecting. I\u0026#39;m projecting more than planning. The schedule is pretty well set for me. I would say on the 1st of January, my next 365 days are 80% structured already. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and then you leave room for things that come up. You know, one of the things I really enjoy and I\u0026#39;m sure you do, dean is where I get invitations to do podcasts and we tell people you got to give us at least 30 days when you make a request before we can fill it in. But I\u0026#39;ve had about, I think during 2024, I think I had about 10. These weren\u0026#39;t our scheduled podcasts with somebody these? Were. These were invitations, and yeah. I really enjoy that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I do too, and that\u0026#39;s kind of a I think you\u0026#39;re. This is the first year, dan, that I\u0026#39;ve gone into the year, going into 2025, here with a 80% of my year locked, like you said. Like I know when my Breakthrough Blueprint events are, I know when my Zoom workshops are, I know when my member calls are, all of those things that kind of scaffolding is already in place right now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd that\u0026#39;s the first. You know that\u0026#39;s the first year that I\u0026#39;ve done that level of planning ahead all the way through. You know, going to London and Amsterdam in June and Australia in November and get it the whole thing, having it all already on the books, is a nice that\u0026#39;s a nice thing, and now I\u0026#39;m I\u0026#39;m really getting into. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI find this going into 2025 is kind of a special thing, because this is like a, you know, a 25 year. You know, I kind of like look at that as the beginning of a 25 year cycle. You know, I think there\u0026#39;s something reflective about the turn of a century and 25 year, you know the quarters of a century kind of thing, because we talk about that 25-year time frame, do you? You\u0026#39;re right now, though you are five years into a 25-year framework, right, in terms of your 75 to 100, was your 25? Yeah, my guess, my yeah, I didn\u0026#39;t. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I didn\u0026#39;t do it on that basis I know I did it uh, uh. Um, I have done it that way before, but now it\u0026#39;s I\u0026#39;m just uh 80 to 100, because 100 is an interesting number. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And plus I have that tool called the best decade ever. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And so I\u0026#39;m really focused just on this. 80 to 90, 80 years old, and when I measured from 70 to 80, so this was about two years before it was two months before I got to my 80th birthday. I created this tool. And I just reflected back how much I\u0026#39;d gotten done. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e 70 to 80. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And it occurred to me that it was greater than what I\u0026#39;d gotten done 70 to 80. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and it occurred to me that it was greater than what I had done from birth to 80. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Birth to 70. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Birth to 70. Yeah, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So I had accomplished more in the last 10 years and I used two criteria creativity and productivity like coming up with making up more stuff. And then the other thing just getting lots of stuff done, and so I\u0026#39;ve got that going for 80 to 90. And it\u0026#39;s very motivating. I find that a very motivating structure. I don\u0026#39;t say I think about it every day, but I certainly think about it every week. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s what I was very curious about. I was thinking this morning about the because this period of time here, this two weeks here, last two weeks of the year, I\u0026#39;m really getting clear on, you know, the next 25 years. I like these frameworks. I think it\u0026#39;s valuable to look back over the last 25 years and to look forward to the next 25 years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd you and I\u0026#39;ve had that conversation like literally we\u0026#39;re talking about everything. That is, everything that\u0026#39;s you know current and the most important things right now have weren\u0026#39;t even really in the cards in 2000. You know, as we were coming into you, know, we all thought in 1999, there was a good chance that the world was going to blow up, right y2k. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Everybody was uh some of us did. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I love that but you know, it just goes to show. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I thought it was uh right yeah, there was this momentary industry called being a y2k consultant you know computer consultant and I thought it was a neat marketing trick. The only problem is you can only pull it off once every thousand years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but there was vast amount. I mean all the big consulting, you know, mckinsey and all those people. They were just raking in the money you know they were out there, All those people they were just raking in the money. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know they were out there. You know, I think probably the previous five years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It was probably a five year industry you know they probably started in 1995, and they said oh, you don\u0026#39;t realize this, but somebody didn\u0026#39;t give enough room to make the change. You know every computer system in the world is um, we forgot to program this in. They\u0026#39;re all going to cease to. They\u0026#39;re going to cease to operate on. Yeah and then. But all you had to do is watch new year\u0026#39;s from australia and you knew that wasn\u0026#39;t true, do? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e you know what? Uh, yeah, jesse, uh, jesse dejardin, who I believe you met one time, used to work with me, but he was the head of social for Australia, for Tourism Australia. Yeah, and when the world I don\u0026#39;t know if you remember in 2012, the world was supposed to end, that was, uh, yeah, a big thing and uh so, that was that, wasn\u0026#39;t that? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e uh, it was based on a stone tablet. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That they found somewhere. South America, south America, yes, it was yes, peruvian it was uh, that\u0026#39;s right, I think it was? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it was the inca inca account yeah, yeah mayan or inca calendar. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s what it was, the mayan calendar. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s what it was ended in 2012. Yeah, and so jesse had the foresight it actually ended for them quite a bit earlier oh man, it\u0026#39;s so funny. Yeah, you don\u0026#39;t get much news from the mayan, no, no you say like when they created that mayan calendar. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e They had to end it sometime. Would you say something like that listen, that\u0026#39;s enough, let\u0026#39;s stop here, we don\u0026#39;t even keep going forever. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know what I think the problem was? I think they ran out of stone I think you\u0026#39;re probably right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e They\u0026#39;re like this is enough already. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They got right to the edge of the stone and they said well, you know, jeez, let\u0026#39;s go get another. Do you know how much work it is to get one of these stones? That? Oh yeah, chisel on yeah yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e so jesse had the uh, jesse had the foresight that at midnight on Australia they\u0026#39;re the first, yeah, to put the thing up. So once they made it past, they made a post that said all it said was we\u0026#39;re okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We\u0026#39;re okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, it was just so brilliant. You know we\u0026#39;re okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know the the stuff that humans will make up to scare themselves oh man, I think that that\u0026#39;s really along those lines. I just did a perplexity search this morning yeah and uh. For those who don\u0026#39;t know what perplexity is, it\u0026#39;s an a really a very congenial ai program and I put in um uh uh 10, um crucial periods of us history that were more politically polarized and violent than 2024. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And you know, three seconds later I got the answer and there were 10. And very, very clearly, just from their little descriptions of what they were, they were clearly much more politically polarized and violent than they are right now. Yeah, the real period was, I mean the most. I mean Civil War was by far. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Of course. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Civil War, and. But the 1890s were just incredible. You had, you had a president. Garfield was assassinated in the 90s and then, right at 1991, mckinley was. So you had two presidents. There were judges assassinated, there were law officials, other politicians who were assassinated. There were riots where 200 people would die, you know, and everything like that. And you know, and you know, so nothing, I mean this guy, you know, the CEO of UnitedHealthcare gets shot on the street and everybody says, oh, you know, this is just the end. We\u0026#39;re tipping over as a society. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I said nah nah, it\u0026#39;s been worse tipping over as a society and I said nah, nah, there\u0026#39;s been worse. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think about uh. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean you know you remember back uh in the 70s, I remember you know I mean in the 60s and 70s assassination attempts and playing yeah, well, they\u0026#39;re hijacking. Yeah, there were three. You had the two Kennedys and Martin Luther King were assassinated within five years of each other. I remember the 60s as being much more tumultuous and violent. Yeah it seems like. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I remember, as I was first coming aware of these things, and I remember, as I was first coming aware of these things, that you know remember when. And then Ronald Reagan, that was the last one, until Trump, that was the last actual attempt right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know one thing you got to say about Trump. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Tell me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Lucky, he\u0026#39;s very lucky. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, but in a good sense lucky, no, no, I mean that I think luck is very important. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Luck is very important, you know but, he\u0026#39;s lucky, and his opponents, you know. I mean he had Hillary and you know, that was good luck, and Joe turned out to be good luck. You know, Joe Biden turned out to be good luck. And then Kamala was. I mean, you couldn\u0026#39;t order up one like that from Amazon and have it delivered to you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOh man, yeah, I mean, yeah, that you know. And, uh, you know, I mean, you know, the news media were so, uh, bought in. You know that it was like, oh, this is going to be really close. This is, oh, you know, this is going to be razor thin. We may not know for days what the election is. And when Miami-Dade went to Trump, I said it\u0026#39;s over. Miami-dade\u0026#39;s been Democratic since, you know, since the 70s. You know, Miami-Dade. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I said if Miami-Dade this is like the first thing in this is, like you know, when they start eight o\u0026#39;clock I think it was seven o\u0026#39;clock or eight o\u0026#39;clock. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m not sure Eastern. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And they said Miami-Dade has just gone to Trump and I said that\u0026#39;s over, I went to bed at nine o\u0026#39;clock. I went to bed at nine o\u0026#39;clock oh man. That\u0026#39;s so funny. Yeah, but that\u0026#39;s the news media. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know they got, so bought into one side of the political spectrum that they, you know, they were, you know, and I think what Elon is introducing is a medium that\u0026#39;s 50-50. You know, like they, they\u0026#39;ve done surveys of x. You know who, yes, seems to be. You know, it\u0026#39;s like 50-50. It\u0026#39;s 50 um republican, 50 democratic or 50 liberal, 50 conservative, whatever you know. Uh, you want to do about it, but I think he\u0026#39;s pioneering a new news medium oh for sure. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean. Well, we\u0026#39;ve seen, you know, if you look at over the last 25 years, that you know we\u0026#39;ve gone from nobody having a voice to everybody, everybody having a voice. And I mean it\u0026#39;s absolutely true, right Like that\u0026#39;s the, that\u0026#39;s the biggest. I think that\u0026#39;s the. I guess what Peter Diamandis would call democratization, right Of everything. As it became digitized, it\u0026#39;s like there\u0026#39;s nothing stopping, there\u0026#39;s no cost, there\u0026#39;s no cost. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e There\u0026#39;s no cost. There\u0026#39;s no cost and there\u0026#39;s nothing stopping anybody from having a radio station or having a television station or, you know, magazine, like a newsletter, or any of that thing we\u0026#39;ve got. In all the ways, it\u0026#39;s completely possible for every human to meet every other human. Here\u0026#39;s a, here\u0026#39;s a question. Uh, I have and uh, I I don\u0026#39;t know how you would actually prove it. So it\u0026#39;s uh just a question for pondering do you think that the um people were just as crazy before they had a voice as they are after having the voice, or is it having the voice that makes them crazy? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it\u0026#39;s having access to so many convincing dissenting or, uh, you know voices like I\u0026#39;m talking about the person who\u0026#39;s the broadcaster you know they weren\u0026#39;t a broadcaster 25 years because there wasn\u0026#39;t a medium for doing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eDefinitely, uh, I think there\u0026#39;s definitely a piling on, yeah, of it that I think that you know. If you think about your only access to crazy opinions and I say crazy with air quotes it is was somebody you know in, uh, in your local environment. It\u0026#39;s like you remember even in toronto, remember, they had speakers corner. Uh, yeah, sydney tv had speakers corner where you could go and down on uh down on uh cane street queen street down on queen and john queen and John Queen and John Street. I lived about three plus. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you never paid any attention to them. I mean you, I just made sure I was on the other side of the street walking, so they wouldn\u0026#39;t, try to engage me you know and uh and uh, yeah, so I. So having the capability uh has its own bad consequence, for for some people, yeah, I think so, because the um, you know, I mean you and I couldn\u0026#39;t be crazy like this, like we\u0026#39;re doing right now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We couldn\u0026#39;t have been crazy like this 25 years ago, but we would have had to just do it together at table 10,. Just yeah, just talk, that\u0026#39;s all it is we just let everybody else now hear it? Come listen in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t think we\u0026#39;re crazy. I think we\u0026#39;re the height of sanity. I think we\u0026#39;re the height of sanity. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I do too, Absolutely. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s so, but I do. I definitely think that that\u0026#39;s that\u0026#39;s one of the things is that it\u0026#39;s very it\u0026#39;s much more difficult to discern. Discernment is a is a big. You need discernment in this, in this period more than ever probably do you have that in your working genius? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e do you have that in your working genius? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e yeah, that\u0026#39;s my number one thing discernment. I think we\u0026#39;re the same, yeah invention and discernment which which is first. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Mine is invention and discernment. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, so mine is discernment and invention. And it\u0026#39;s an interesting. Chad Jenkins has been asking this. He\u0026#39;s been kind of exploring with people what he calls their perpetual question, like what\u0026#39;s the constant question? That is kind of like the driving question of what you do. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you know yours? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I do. I think, in looking at it, mine is what should we do? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I know, what mine is, what\u0026#39;s yours? I wonder how far I can go. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I wonder how far I can go. I like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve had that since I was 11 years old. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, that\u0026#39;s really. It\u0026#39;s very interesting, right like I look at it. That, uh, you know, there were years ago, um, there was a guy, bob beal, who wrote a book called uh, stop setting goals if you\u0026#39;d rather solve problems or something. And so I think I\u0026#39;m, I am a problem solver. Simplifier, you know, as I learn all the layers about what I am, is that I\u0026#39;m able to I just think about, as my MO is to look at a situation and see, well, what do we need to do? Right, like, what\u0026#39;s the outcome that we really want? Right, like, what\u0026#39;s the what, what\u0026#39;s the outcome that we really want, and then go into inventing the simplest, most direct path to effectively get that outcome and that\u0026#39;s the driver of, of all of the uh things you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eso I\u0026#39;m always. I think the layer of I think it\u0026#39;s a subtlety, but the layer of discernment before inventing, for me is that I limit the inventing to the as a simplifier, you know, and I think you as a, you know I\u0026#39;m an obstacle bypasser, a crusher, uh-huh, uh, no, I I just say, uh, what\u0026#39;s the way around this? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e so I don\u0026#39;t have to deal with it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yes and uh, yeah and uh I can\u0026#39;t tell you that you that that progression of is there any way I could get this without doing anything, followed by what\u0026#39;s the least that I could do to get this. And then, ok, is there, and who\u0026#39;s the person? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e who\u0026#39;s the person that can do it? Now I tell you, I\u0026#39;ve already thought about that 10 times this morning. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s a constant. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s right there. It\u0026#39;s right there. It\u0026#39;s a companion. And I sit there and you know, for example, you get caught in a situation where you have to. You know you have to wait, you know like you have to wait and I asked myself is there any way I can solve this without doing nothing? And I said yes, you have to just be patient for 10 minutes. Ok, I\u0026#39;m patient for 10 minutes. You know, oh, right, yeah, yeah you know, yeah, I experienced that a lot at Pearson Airport. Oh, yeah, right, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, yeah, yeah, for sure, there\u0026#39;s a lot of travel shenanigans, but I think, when you really look at, I think just it\u0026#39;s fascinating what shifting your, shifting your view by an hour can do in travel. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, if your target is to arrive three hours, yeah, you start the process one hour earlier than you would normally. There\u0026#39;s so much, so much room for margin, so much. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh, it\u0026#39;s so much more relaxing, you know yeah, it takes us anywhere from uh 40 minutes to an hour to get to Pearson from the beach. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And so we leave three hours before the flight time three hours. And we\u0026#39;re there and actually the US going to the US. They have a nice on one side. They\u0026#39;ve got some really really great um seating arrangements, tables and everything and uh, I really like it. I like getting there and, yes, you know, we starbucks is there, I get a coffee and yeah, you know I sit there and I\u0026#39;ll just, uh, you know, I\u0026#39;ll read my novel or whatever, or you know I have my laptop so I can work on it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut my killer question in those situations is it\u0026#39;s 1924, how long does this trip take me? That\u0026#39;s the best right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, or if that\u0026#39;s not good enough 1824. Right, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, exactly yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I just think. I mean, it\u0026#39;s such a, would you say, dan, like your orientation, are you spending the majority of your time? Where do you, where do you live mentally, like? How much time do you spend reflecting on or, you know, thinking about the past, thinking about the future and thinking about right now? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e well, I think about the past, uh, quite a bit from the standpoint of creating the tools, because I don\u0026#39;t know if you\u0026#39;ve noticed the progression like over the year, almost every tool has you say well, what have you done up until now? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eyou know, and then your top three things that you\u0026#39;ve done up until now. And then, looking ahead, you you always brainstorm. That\u0026#39;s a Dean Jackson add-on that I\u0026#39;ve added to. All the tools is brainstorming. And then you pick the top three for the past up until the present. And then you brainstorm what could I do over the next 12 months? And then you pick the top three. But the past is only interesting to me in terms is there a value back there that I can apply right now to, uh, building a better future? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e you know, I don\u0026#39;t. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t think I have an ounce of nostalgia or sentimentality about the past you know, or yearning, you know you don\u0026#39;t want. No, I get you know, especially especially now you know it\u0026#39;s uh. The boomers are now in their 70s. And I have to tell you, Dean, there\u0026#39;s nothing more depressing than a nostalgic baby boomer. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, back in our day, You\u0026#39;re right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s back in the day, back in your day, you were unconscious. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah right, yeah, right, yeah, and I really I noticed it happening because the first boomers started to be 65. So 46, 46 and 65 was the 2011. They started to, you know, they crossed the 65 year mark and I started noticing, starting yeah, oh boy, you know, I\u0026#39;m really spending a lot of time with the people I graduated from high school with and I said, oh yeah, that\u0026#39;s interesting, why haven\u0026#39;t you seen them for 40 years? Right, yeah, yeah, I went to a 25-year graduation reunion, yeah, so I graduated in 62, so that was 87. And I went back and we had clients here and I told people you know, I\u0026#39;m going back for a high school reunion. I got back and there was an event, a party, and they said, well, how was that? And I said nobody came. None of them came. And he says you had a reunion and nobody came. I said no, they sent a bunch of old people in their place. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know they were talking about retirement. I only got another 20 years to retirement. I said, gee, wow, wow, wow I can\u0026#39;t believe that. I mean, if you haven\u0026#39;t seen someone for 50 years, there was a reason. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, absolutely. I just look at these. You know I graduated in 85. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo 40 years this year that just seems impossible, dan, like I just I remember you know so clearly. I have such clarity of memory of every year of that you know the last 40 years, that you know the last 40 years, but you know it\u0026#39;s. It\u0026#39;s a very. What I\u0026#39;ve had to consciously do is kind of narrow my attention span to the this. What I\u0026#39;m working on is getting to more in the actionable present kind of thing. You know more in the actionable present kind of thing, you know, because I tend to, I mean looking forward. You know if you, it\u0026#39;s funny we can see so clearly back 25 years, even 40 years. We\u0026#39;ve got such great recollection of it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut what we\u0026#39;re not really that great at is projecting forward, of looking forward as to what\u0026#39;s the next 25 years going to look like. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you couldn\u0026#39;t have done it back then either? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e then either, and that\u0026#39;s what I wondered. So you, I remember, uh, you know, 25 years ago we had we\u0026#39;ve talked about the um, you know the investment decisions of starbucks and berkshire hathaway and procter and gamble. Those were the three that I chose. But if on reflection now, looking back at them, I could have, because they were there. I could have chosen Apple and Google and Amazon. They would have been the, they would have been eclipsed, those three. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but you did all right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, absolutely no. No, here\u0026#39;s the thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The big thing isn\u0026#39;t what you invested in, it\u0026#39;s what you stayed invested in. Yes, it\u0026#39;s moving around. That kills your investment. We have whole life insurance, which is insurance with cash value. It\u0026#39;s been 30 years now and the average has been 7% per year for 30 years now and the average has been 7% per year for 30 years. Yeah, I mean, that\u0026#39;s interest. I mean interest. So it\u0026#39;s not a capital gain, it\u0026#39;s just interest. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I was just going to say, and you can access the money. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s like a bank. It\u0026#39;s like your own personal bank. We have an agreement with one of the Canadian banks here that we can borrow up to 95% against the cash value, and the investment keeps on going you just took out a loan. It doesn\u0026#39;t affect the investment. What\u0026#39;s his name? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Morgan H morgan household. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e He talks about that. Yeah, he said it\u0026#39;s the movement that uh kills you. Yes, he says, just find something you know you know, government bonds are good over 25 years. I mean people say yeah but I could have gone 100. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you have to think about it. This way, you don\u0026#39;t have to think about it. Right yeah that was the Toronto real estate. Toronto real estate, you know, geez yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you\u0026#39;re right, do you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e know what the average price of a single detached is in GTA right now? I don\u0026#39;t know. It\u0026#39;s over a million dollars. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s about 1.2, 1.4. That\u0026#39;s a single detached, I\u0026#39;m not talking about a big place? No, no exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Just a three-bedroom, two-bed single-family home Too bad single family home. I remember when I was starting out in Georgetown the average price of that million dollar bungalow now is like a staple was a bungalow that was built in the 50s and 60s three bedroom, 1,200 square foot. Three bedroom brick bungalow uh, was on a 50-foot lot. Was uh a hundred and sixty five thousand dollars, yeah, and it was so funny, because now it\u0026#39;s two uh, probably, uh, georgetown. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eGeorgetown is a very desirable place, yes, and so, uh, when you look at the, I remember carol mcleod, who was in my office. She\u0026#39;d been in real estate for you know, 20, 20 years when, uh, when I joined the office and she remembers thinking when, the price of a prince charles bungalow there was a street called prince charles in, uh, georges, it was kind of like the staple of the uh, the like the consumer price index, bread basket kind of thing when a, uh, when a prince charles bungalow went for $100,000, she thought that was the end of the world. That that\u0026#39;s like. This is unsustainable $100,000 for a house. Who\u0026#39;s got that kind of money? How are people gonna be able to sustain this? I just think, man, that\u0026#39;s so crazy, but you think about it. Do you remember when Dave Winfield got a million-dollar contract for baseball? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e What an amazing thing. That was the million-dollar man. It\u0026#39;s crazy. Now you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you know, it\u0026#39;s really interesting If you take the salaries, let\u0026#39;s say the Yankees right now the. Yankees, ok, and you know they\u0026#39;re there. You know they have some huge, huge, huge contracts, you know, I think I\u0026#39;m trying to think of the biggest one. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, aaron Judge, you know, is like three, three hundred and twenty million judge, you know is like three, 320 million, you know, and uh, but the guy in LA just you know, 700 million yeah, 760, 760 and Soto Soto with the mats. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e He just I think his is around 702 and uh and everything and people say this is just unsustainable. If you add up all the salaries of, you know, the yankees, their entire team, you know um, uh and, and average it out against what the market value of the yankees is. Yeah, you know, like this total salary. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e The average is exactly the same as it was 70 years ago and that\u0026#39;s the thing people don\u0026#39;t understand, that these salaries are based on collective bargaining and the basketball, for instance, half of the money goes to the players. So half of all the revenue from tickets and TV and media and merchandise, all of that stuff, half of the money that the organization makes, has to go to the players. And so on a basketball team they have maybe 12 players who are getting all of that money. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, so that see the basketball players get I think it\u0026#39;s 15, I think they have 15 now. 15, now 15 players. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah so you look at that and it\u0026#39;s like, uh wow, now collectively they have to be within their, their salary cap or whatever is, yeah, 50, 50 percent of their revenue. But I mean it\u0026#39;s kind of, uh, it\u0026#39;s market value, right, it\u0026#39;s all relative, yep yep, yep, yeah, and all the owners are billionaires. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, they\u0026#39;re. They mostly use it for a tax write-off, I mean that\u0026#39;s yeah, yeah, yeah I have to tell you talk about tax write-off. About three blocks from us here in the beaches in Toronto, there\u0026#39;s an Indian restaurant that\u0026#39;s been there for about two years and every night we come by it on the way back from the office and I\u0026#39;ve never seen any customers. I\u0026#39;ve never once if I pass that restaurant and this is during business hours. I\u0026#39;ve never seen, I\u0026#39;ve never once if I pass that restaurant and this is during business hours yeah I\u0026#39;ve never. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI\u0026#39;ve never seen it and I said I got a feeling there\u0026#39;s some money laundering that\u0026#39;s crazy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s like I I look at the um, I\u0026#39;m trying right now, and this this next couple of weeks. One of the things I\u0026#39;m really gonna uh reflect on is kind of looking forward. I think about I did this with our realtors. I created an RIP for 2024. So RIP meaning reflection on what actually happened in the last year for you how many transactions, how much revenue, how much whatever came in. And then inflection, looking at what is it right now, where are you at and what trajectory is that on right? If you\u0026#39;re looking, what are the things that you could make a change on? And then projecting projection into 2025. And I realized you know part. One of the things I said to the people is you can\u0026#39;t same your way to different, that\u0026#39;s, you can\u0026#39;t save your way to different. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean that\u0026#39;s really if you\u0026#39;re thinking that something different is going to happen. Something different has to take place. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You can\u0026#39;t crazy your way to normal either. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, it\u0026#39;s really. It\u0026#39;s really. Yeah. I think you know that Morgan House book. We gave it out. We gave it out. I have to check on that. I put in a request for that. I don\u0026#39;t know if it went out, you know, but he\u0026#39;s just I. I told joe he should have him as a speaker at the national the annual event yeah, yeah, I think it\u0026#39;d be good. I mean because joe\u0026#39;s really, really, really got to hustle now, because he uh really established a new standard for who he has. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut yeah, I was just looking at an article this morning because it reminded me of who Joe had. He had Robert Kennedy and Jordan. Peterson and Tucker Carlson, tucker Carlson, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And it was great. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It was great. And then I was thinking about the role that elon musk is playing in the us government. There\u0026#39;s no precedent for this in us history, that you have a person like that, who\u0026#39;s just brought in with somebody else, vivek ramaswamy and uh, they\u0026#39;re just given a department of government. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e A department of government oh, did I miss a vivek uh appointment. Was he appointed to something? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e no, he\u0026#39;s, he\u0026#39;s appointed with uh, with um with uh, elon, oh, I see, okay, yeah. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s called the department of government efficiency right okay, uh, which may be a contradiction in terms, but anyway, but they\u0026#39;re hiring people, but the people they hire don\u0026#39;t get any salary. You have to volunteer, you have to volunteer to work. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo you got to have, you got to be well funded to work there. You know you got to. I mean you got to be living off your own savings, your own investments, while you\u0026#39;re there. You know you got to. I mean, you got to be living off your own savings your own investments while you\u0026#39;re there. But I was thinking because we\u0026#39;ve been observers now for 13, actually just a year of President Milley in Argentina and he\u0026#39;s cut government costs by 30% in one year. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow, yeah there\u0026#39;s interesting stuff. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e He eliminated or really cut 12 departments. Nine of the departments he just got rid of you know the one, you know they have departments like tuck you in safely at night, sort of that had about that, had about 5000 employees, you know, and you know, and send letters to your mom let her know you know that sort of department, but they were just creating employment, employment, employment where people didn\u0026#39;t really have to work, and he got rid of seventy five thousand federal employees in a country of forty Forty six million. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eForty six million, he got rid of seventy five thousand. Well, in the US, if they did equal proportions, we\u0026#39;re about 350, so 46, that\u0026#39;s about seven, seven, eight times. That would get rid of 550,000. I think it\u0026#39;s doable, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean that\u0026#39;s fascinating and we don\u0026#39;t get access to that right. You sought that out and you only came into contact with that because you\u0026#39;re a frequent traveler to Argentina. Yeah, Argentina, and it feels better, yeah, and it feels better. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We were noticing because we hadn\u0026#39;t been there since March and we were there right at the end of November. We were there right at the end of Thanksgiving. We were actually American Thanksgiving. We were that week, we were down there and the place just feels better. You can just feel it there, there, and the place just feels better. You can just feel it. There is uh, you know, and uh, you know, and there\u0026#39;s a real mood shift, you know, when people just feel that all this money is being, you know, confiscated and paid to people who aren\u0026#39;t working. You know that yeah it doesn\u0026#39;t feel good. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eDoesn\u0026#39;t feel good, then there\u0026#39;s Canada, then there\u0026#39;s Canada. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s great entertainment, I\u0026#39;ll tell you. Well, you know it\u0026#39;s funny. I don\u0026#39;t know whether I mentioned last time, the guy from El Salvador, what he\u0026#39;s done in since being elected. You\u0026#39;re a young guy, I think he was elected at 35 or 37. And he\u0026#39;s completely turned around the crime rate in El Salvador by being 100%. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You just have a 50,000 convict prison. Well, that\u0026#39;s exactly right, yeah, yeah. And that\u0026#39;s the thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s like lock him up. That\u0026#39;s the thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e He\u0026#39;s like led, and they guard themselves. It\u0026#39;s a self-guarding prison. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Is that right? I didn\u0026#39;t know that. No, no, I\u0026#39;m just kidding, I\u0026#39;m just playing on your theme. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right right, right\u0026#39;m just kidding, I\u0026#39;m just playing on your thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, right, right, yeah, yeah. Well, that would be the combination, right, self-guarding. That would be the most efficient way to have the situation. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But it is amazing what can happen when you have a focus on one particular thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you know what it is. I think partially and Peter Zion talks about this that, generally speaking, the way the world has been organized, during the 20th century the US really didn\u0026#39;t pay much attention to South America, latin America at all, and never has you know the. United States never has, because they\u0026#39;ve been east and west, you know it\u0026#39;s either Europe or it\u0026#39;s Asia. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut now that the US has decided that they\u0026#39;re going to be very discerning about who gets to trade with them they\u0026#39;re very discerning about who gets the benefit of US protection and everything else All of a sudden, the South Americans are getting their houses in order which they haven\u0026#39;t been. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s been a century of mostly really bad government in Latin America. Now they\u0026#39;re all getting things in order so that when the US looks south, they\u0026#39;re front of the line. The only thing that the US really paid any attention to was Cuba Cuba\u0026#39;s like a piece of meat. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You can\u0026#39;t yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The only thing that the US really paid any attention to was Cuba. Yes, right, cuba\u0026#39;s like a piece of meat you can\u0026#39;t get out of your teeth. For the United. States and your tongue is going crazy, trying to get that piece of meat out of you. It\u0026#39;s just been sort of an annoying place, it\u0026#39;s just been sort of an annoying place. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, this is, I think when you look at you know Peter Zions stuff too. If you think about definitely the trend over the next 25 years is definitely more. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it\u0026#39;s trend lines are really almost eerily accurate. The one thing he doesn\u0026#39;t understand, though, is US politics. I found that he doesn\u0026#39;t have a clue about US politics. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHe\u0026#39;s a Democrat. He told me he was a Democrat. I spent it. He came and spent a day at Genius, yes, and he said that he was a Democrat. He\u0026#39;s an environmentalist, and you know, and you know, and. But he says but I can also do math, you know, he says I can do math so you can see what, which direction the numbers are going in. But he, I mean right up until a week before the election, he says Kamala is going to take it, Kamala is going to take it. You know and everything like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo he didn\u0026#39;t. He didn\u0026#39;t have any real sense of the shifts that were going on voter shifts that were going on. I mean Trump went in and almost every county. There\u0026#39;s 3,000 counties in the United States and he didn\u0026#39;t go backwards in any of the counties, he went up in every county. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, wow, that\u0026#39;s interesting so you didn\u0026#39;t lose anything. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s really widespread. I mean, there isn\u0026#39;t 3,001. There\u0026#39;s just 3,000. Yeah, and he went up. It was just as it was. Like you know, it was like the tide came in. I think I\u0026#39;ve never seen in my lifetime, I\u0026#39;ve never really seen a shift of that proportion. And I wonder, you know, you look at over the new political establishment. Well, this isn\u0026#39;t my thought George Friedman, who was Peter Zion\u0026#39;s, because the political establishment in the United States, in other words, where the proportion of the votes are, is going to be working class. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt won\u0026#39;t be highly educated you know, professional people. For one thing, ai is really feeding. You know, if you have somebody\u0026#39;s making $30,000 a year and somebody else is making $100,000 a year, which job would you like to eliminate to economize? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, yeah, yeah, you look at the. That\u0026#39;s one thing I think we, like I, look at when I am thinking about the next 25 years. I think about what are the like there\u0026#39;s no way to predict. There was no way in 1999 to predict YouTube and Facebook and the things that are TikTok, you know, or AI, all of that impact right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut I think there. But, like I said, there was evidence that if you were, if you believe, guessing and betting, as you would say, you could see that the path that Amazon was on made sense and the path that Apple was on and the path that Google was on, all are ai for certain. Like that dna, all the like the things that are that we\u0026#39;re learning about stem cells and genetics, and all of that kind of stuff. And Bitcoin, I guess, right, digital currency, crypto, you know everything. Just removing friction. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think the whole blockchain makes sense. Yeah, yeah, you know. I mean I think the thing in the US dollar makes sense. Yeah, $1.44 yesterday. It\u0026#39;s up 10 cents in the last eight weeks. Wow, yeah, I think when you were there in September it was $1.34, probably $1.34. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Now it\u0026#39;s $1.44. Oh, that\u0026#39;s great yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And yeah, so yeah, I mean the ones that I mean. People say, well, bitcoin, you know Bitcoin is going to become the reserve currency. I said there\u0026#39;s 21 million of them. It can\u0026#39;t become the reserve currency. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e There is no currency that can replace the dollar. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, it\u0026#39;s just. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And still have a livable planet. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Mm-hmm, anyway, we\u0026#39;ve covered territory. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We\u0026#39;ve covered territory today. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We have Holy cow. It\u0026#39;s already 1203. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s amazing. We covered a lot of territory. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We really did. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But the one thing that is predictable is the structure that you can put onto your schedule. That is predictable. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, I have one. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I have a thing I hadn\u0026#39;t talked to you about this, but this is something I do is that when I start tomorrow, I look at next week, ok, and I just look at and and I just get a sense and then I\u0026#39;ll put together some changes. I\u0026#39;d like Becca Miller she\u0026#39;s my high beams into the future and she does all my scheduling and so I\u0026#39;ll notice that some things can be rearranged, which if I got to next week I couldn\u0026#39;t rearrange them. But I can rearrange them on Monday of this week for next week. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But I I couldn\u0026#39;t do it on. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Monday of next for that week. So more and more this this year. Um, every uh Monday I\u0026#39;m going to look at the week uh, not this week, but the week ahead and make changes. I think, I bet there\u0026#39;s uh, you know, like a five to 10% greater efficiency. That happens just by having that one habit. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, dan, I\u0026#39;m really getting down to, I\u0026#39;m looking at and I do that same thing. But looking at this next, the 100 hours is really from. You know, hours is really from Monday morning at eight o\u0026#39;clock till Friday at noon is a hundred hours and that to me, is when everything that\u0026#39;s the actionable period, and then really on a daily basis, getting it to this, the next 100 minutes is really that\u0026#39;s where the real stuff takes place. So anyway, I always love the conversations. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yep, back to you next week. Yes, sir, have a great day. I\u0026#39;ll talk to you soon. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Bye, okay, bye. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"\r\nIn this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, Dan and I explore how organizations can balance productivity with employee well-being through structured breaks and strategic planning. Dan shares insights from Strategic Coach's approach of giving employees six weeks off after three months of work, using Calgary's changing weather as a metaphor for workplace adaptability. \r\n\r\nLooking at the British Royal Navy's history, we discuss how its organizational structure relates to modern planning methods. Dean explains his 80/20 framework for yearly planning—using 80% for structured goals while keeping 20% open for unexpected opportunities, which helps teams stay focused while remaining flexible.\r\n\r\nThe conversation turns to a long-term perspective through 25-year frameworks, examining how past achievements shape future goals. Dean shares a story about the Y2K panic to illustrate how technological changes influence our planning and adaptability.\r\n\r\nWe conclude with practical applications of these concepts, from cross-training team members to implementing daily time management strategies. \r\n","date_published":"2025-02-05T08:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/d4f84bdb-ad04-44b6-a3e4-ff6606c60338.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":61182890,"duration_in_seconds":3798}]},{"id":"d933b6d4-bcd5-4ec6-a85b-17efbb3262ba","title":"Ep143: Unveiling the Mysteries of Modern Media ","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/143","content_text":"Today on Welcome to Cloudlandia, We start with the mysterious drone sightings over New Jersey, exploring the thin line between conspiracy and curiosity. These nocturnal aerial visitors become a metaphor for our complex modern world, where information and imagination intersect.\n\nWe then investigate the profound impact of cultural icons like Mr. Beast and Kylie Jenner, examining how influence transcends traditional expertise. Our discussion reveals how public figures navigate changing landscapes of leadership and visibility, offering insights into the evolving dynamics of success and social capital.\n\nThe episode concludes by challenging our approach to information consumption. Drawing from personal experiments and wisdom from thought leaders like Warren Buffett, we explore strategies for staying informed in a noisy digital ecosystem. \n\nOur conversation provides practical perspectives on navigating media, understanding cultural shifts, and maintaining perspective amid constant information flow.\n\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\n\n  We explore the presence of drones over New Jersey, questioning whether they are linked to government surveillance or civilian activities, while considering the broader context of misinformation and conspiracy theories.\n  Dan and I discuss the concept of anticipation being more stressful than actual experiences, suggesting it as a contributor to mental distress.\n  The impact of cultural icons like Mr. Beast and Kylie Jenner is examined, highlighting their influence despite lacking traditional skills in their fields.\n  We ponder on how cultural shifts are altering perceptions of corporate leadership, using a hypothetical scenario of a CEO's public safety being compromised.\n  The dynamics of news consumption are analyzed, contrasting real-time news feeds with curated platforms like RealClear Politics to understand how they balance diverse political viewpoints.\n  I share my experience with digital abstinence, noting the benefits of reduced distractions and the negligible impact of disconnecting from the continuous news cycle temporarily.\n  The concept of \"irrational confidence\" is explored, discussing how it characterizes overachievers and can be cultivated over time to foster personal growth.\n  We reflect on long-term investment strategies inspired by Warren Buffett, emphasizing the enduring need for certain products and industries.\n  I consider the importance of balancing cultural awareness with the need to filter out unnecessary noise, contemplating changes in my information consumption habits.\n  Insights from personal experiments in digital and media consumption are shared, emphasizing the importance of distinguishing between transient cultural information and lasting knowledge.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean: Mr Sullivan. \n\nDan: Mr Jackson are the drones looking down on you. \nAre the drones looking down on you. \n\nDan: I mean, how many do you have up there? What is going? \n\nDean: on with these drones. \n\nDan: Yeah, I bet there's just a bunch of civilians fooling around with the government. \n\nDean: Yeah, I wonder you know like you look at this. I think it's so. I wonder you know like you look at this. I think it's so amazing that you know we've had a theme, or I've been kind of thinking about this, with the. You know, is this the best time to be alive or the worst time to be alive? And I mentioned that I think probably in every practical way, this is the best time, but the anything in the worst time to be alive column just the speed and proliferation of, you know, conspiracies and misinformation and the battle for our minds. You know, keeping us in that. You know everything is just enough to be. You know where you're uncertain of stuff. You know there's a lot of uncertainty that's being laid out right now in every way. I mean, you look at just what's happened in the last. If we take 2020, fear you know. \n\nDan: Well, tell me about it. I'm not very much of that 2024. Tell me about it. I experience very much of that. But why don't you tell me about that? Because I want to note some things down here. \n\nDean: You know what? \n\nDan: Every month, more money comes in than goes out. What more do you need to know besides that? \n\nDean: I agree with you. I'm seeing the light here. It's just on the top level. We went through an election year which is always the you know the highly funded, you know misinformation campaigns or you know putting out there. So everybody's up on high level. \n\nDan:\nAre you talking about lies Are? \n\nDean: you talking about lies? Are you talking about lies? Who knows Dan? \n\nDan: When I was growing up we called them lies. Why so many extra letters? I mean lies, that's a perfectly good Anglo-Saxon word. Why is Greek and Roman stuff in there? \n\nDean: I think that's the thing, If we just simplify it. But if we bring it down to lies and truth, it's much more. \n\nDan: I like lies and truth. \n\nDean: Yeah, it's much more difficult to discern the lies from the truth. \n\nDan:\nYeah, he's telling a lie here, folks, his mouth is moving Exactly. \n\nDean: You know that's the truth, but I just look at that. It's like you know the things that are. You know the things that are happening right now. Like you look at even with the government, even with the congressional hearings or announcements on, almost just like a matter of fact, oh yeah, there's aliens, there's totally aliens. There's. They've been here for a long time. We've got some in, we've got all the evidence and everything like that. But you know, carry on, it's just kind of so. It's so funny. Stuff is being like, you know, nobody really is kind of talking about it. And then you get these drone situations in New Jersey, all these drones coming out and the government saying I know nothing to see here, nothing going on there. \n\nDan: Well, my take if you're going to be using drones. New Jersey would be my choice. You know I put drones over New Jersey. Not a lot happening there. \n\nDean: All the memes now are that it's some highly sophisticated, you know fast food delivery service for Chris Christie. That's all the meme things. They're on a direct pipeline delivering fast food to Chris Christie. That's just so funny. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, I mean the whole point is that civilians could do this. I mean, I think everybody probably has the you know, or certain people do have the technological capability now to put up drones, you know, and just put some lights on them and put them in the night sky I'm sure anybody does that and then you know, and then you'll be on social media. \n\nDean: Somebody will film you and everything like that you know it's at night and they're mysterious. \n\nDan: Always do it at night, never do it during the day You've got to use the right words to describe them too, dan, you've got to use the right words they're mysterious drones. And if you practice you can get them to fly. In formation it looks even more interesting. I'm swooping a little bit in formation, everything else, well, I don't believe there's aliens. \n\nDean: Okay, good Everything else yeah. Well, I don't believe there's aliens, so you know I mean. \n\nDan: I don't believe there's anything more alien than people I've already met. That's what. \n\nDean: I mean yeah. \n\nDan: You know I've met some alien thought forms on the part of some people. But see, I think you got to make a fundamental decision about this up front. This is worth thinking about or it's not worth thinking about. Yeah, okay, so I made the decision. It's not worth thinking about that. If something new develops, I'll probably know about it in a very short period of time, and then I can start responding to it. \n\nYeah, but about six months ago a new resolution plunked into place in my brain, and that is I'm not going to react to an experience until I actually have the experience. \n\nDean: So say more about that. \n\nDan: Rather than making up a fantasy or the possibility that there's an experience to be it. Actually you're getting. I think mental illness is having an experience before you've actually being afraid of an experience before you've actually had it. It's the anticipation of having an experience that I think causes mental illness. \n\nDean: That's true, isn't it? \n\nDan: Yeah, I mean, that's like yeah, I haven't seen Probably not the only thing, probably not the only thing about mental illness, but I think that would qualify as an aspect. It certainly is a paranoia, certainly an aspect of paranoia, yeah, but things are moving. I think we're witnessing one of the greatest innovations in the history of the United States right now. Can I tell you what it is? Would you be interested? I'm all ears. Yeah, President is elected, and then there's this period from the day after the election until the inauguration. \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: And it's basically been fallow. Nothing grows during that time and Trump has just decided why don't I just start acting like the president right after the election and really create a huge momentum by the time we get to the inauguration? Let's be so forceful right after the election that all the world leaders talk to me. They don't talk to the existing president. That's his name. I forget what I forget Joe, joe, joe. All right, that's the name, that's the name of the beach, that's the name of the beach, I just find it remarkable how, around the world, everybody's responding to the incoming president, not to the actual president. \n\nThat's the truth. I think he's, and he's getting people. There's foreign policy changing. You know there's foreign policy, mexico, their foreign policy you know, their export import policy is changing. Canada export import policy is changing. Canada export-import policy is changing. And all he did was say a word. He said I think we're going to put a 25% tariff on both of you. And all of a sudden, they're up at night. They're up at night. \n\nDean: I happened to be, in Toronto when all that was being announced. I happened to be in Toronto when all that was being announced and all the news was, you know, that there's an emergency meeting of all of the premiers to discuss the reaction to Donald Trump's proposed tariff. You know, you're absolutely right. Everybody's scrambling, everybody's. You know, they're definitely, you know, thinking about what's coming. You know. \n\nDan: And then he goes to Paris for the opening of, you know, they're definitely, you know, thinking about what's coming, you know. And then he goes to Paris for the opening of, you know, the you know, the renovation of Notre Dame Cathedral. Yeah, looks good, by the way, I don't know if you've seen the pictures. \n\nIt looks really good. I was in there. You know I've been to Paris, I think I've been to Paris three times and I went the first time. I said, oh, I've been to Paris, I think I've been to Paris three times and I went the first time. I said, oh, I have to go to Notre Dame Cathedral. And I went in and I said, gee, it's dark and dingy and I'm not sure they even clean. You know, clean the place anymore. \n\nAnd all it takes is a little fire to get everybody into cleanup mode, and boy, it looks spectacular. So Trump goes there and it's like he's the emperor of the world. You know, all the heads of state come up and they want to shake his hands and everything like that. I've never seen anything like that with an incoming president. \n\nThey want to get on his good side and everybody's giving them money for his inauguration. Mark Zuckerberg's giving them money. The head of Google's giving them money for his inauguration. Mark zuckerberg's giving them money. The head of google is giving them money. Jeff bezos giving them money. Abc's giving them 15 million. That'll just go into his library library fund. Yeah, and everything else. Wow. You know, I've never seen them do this to an incoming president before. Yeah, time magazine called him the person of the year Already. I didn't even know there was a Time magazine. \n\nDean: I'm actually thinking. \n\nI've been, I've been like thinking, dan, about my 2025, you know information plan and you know I've been kind of test driving this idea of you know, disconnecting. Where I struggle with this is that so much of the insights and things that I have are because I, on top of culture, you know, I think I'm very like tuned in to what's going on. I have a pretty broad, you know, observation of everything and that. So where I struggle with it is letting go of like at the vcr formula, for instance, was born of my observation and awareness of what's going on with mr beast and kylie jenner and these, you know, that sort of early thing of knowing and seeing what's going on you know before many of our contemporaries kind of thing. Right, many of our people are very decidedly disconnected from popular culture and don't pay attention to it. So I look at that as a balance. That part of it there's a certain amount of awareness that is an advantage for me might be affected if I were to be blissfully unaware of what's going on in culture, you know. \n\nDan: Yeah, I don't know. I mean you could put Charlotte on to the job you know, yeah, and that's so I look at that. Charlotte. For our listeners, charlotte is Dean's AI sleuth. She finds out things. She's a sleuthy integrator of things that Dean finds interesting. You ought to talk it over with her and say how can I stop doing this and still have the benefit of it? \n\nDean: Yeah, my thing. I think that where there might be an AI tool that I could use for this, but Charlotte, from what I understand, is bound by her latest update or whatever. She's got access to everything up to a certain date. She doesn't have real time information in terms of the most recent stuff. Have you heard, by the way, dan, what is? We're imminently away from the release of ChatGPPT 5, which is supposedly I want to get the numbers right on this. Let me just look at a text here, because it's so overwhelmingly more powerful than ChatGPT 4. The new ChatGPT5 has 10 trillion gpus compared to chat gpt4, which is 75 billion. So the difference from 75 billion to 10 trillion sounds like a pretty impressive leap. Sounds like a pretty impressive leap, and that'll put it over the top of you know, the current thing is a 121 IQ, and this will bring it to being smarter than any human on the planet. \n\nDan: And so we don't even know, but not at doing anything particular. \n\nDean: No, I guess not. I mean just the insight processing, logic, reasoning, all of that stuff being able to process information. I'm still amazed I was talking. \n\nDan: When it comes out. Three months after it comes out, will you notice any difference? \n\nDean: I don't know. \n\nDan: That's what I'm wondering, my feeling is that I'm not even sure what cat GPT is two years after it came out, because I haven't interacted with it at all Right, I've interacted with perplexity, which I find satisfying. And you know, yeah, there's an interesting. I read an interesting article on human intelligence and it said that by and large, there's an active, practical zone to human intelligence where you're above average in confidence and you're above average in making sense of things, and it seems to be between 120 and 140. \n\nDean: Yes, 120, 140. \n\nDan: And about 40, 140,. Your confidence goes down as you get smarter and your awareness of making sense of things gets weaker, gets weaker. And from a standpoint of communicating with other people, the sweet zone seems to be 120 to 140. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, I think you're right. I think that, yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: You've got above average pattern, You've got above average pattern recognition and you've got good eye-hand coordination you know, in the artisans of the word that you can see something and take action on it quite quickly. You have the ability to do that, and probably in new ways, probably in new ways so you don't have a lot of friction coming the other way. You know when you do something new? \n\nyeah, but iq, you know, iq, iq is one measurement of human behavior yeah but there's many others that are more prominent, so yeah, I think this is you know, I think silicon Valley has a big fixation on IQ because they like to compare who's got the biggest. They like to compare who's got the biggest, but I'm not sure it really relates to anything useful or practical beyond a certain point. \n\nDean: Well, it's not actionable. There's no insight in it, not like knowing that you're Colby, knowing that we're 10 quick starts is useful information. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's like having six quick starts together with some alcohol. Right, it's a fun party. \n\nDean: Yes, like you said your book club or your dinner clubs, our next-door neighbor our next-door neighbor's husband and wife and Shannon Waller and her husband. \n\nDan: Our quick start out of the 60 is 56. We just have the best time for about three or four hours Good food, the wine is good and everything else. We just have the best time for about three or four hours Good food, the wine is good and everything else. And regardless of what happens transpires during those four hours, the world is completely safe from any impact. \n\nDean: Right, exactly, it's so funny it's not going to leave the room. Yeah, everybody's safe, yeah. \n\nDan: Go back to culture. What do you mean by culture when you say? \n\nDean: culture. What? \n\nDan: do you mean by culture? When you say culture, what do you mean? \n\nDean: I mean, like popular culture, what's happening in the world right now, like having an awareness of what, because I'm a good pattern recognizer and I see and I'm overlaying things. I'm curious and alert and always looking for what's with Mr Beast and recognizing that neither one of them has any capability to do the thing that they're doing. Mr Beast didn't have the capability to make and run hamburger restaurants and Kylie didn't have any capability to run and manufacture a cosmetics company, but they both were aligned with people who had that capability and that allowed them to have a conduit from their vision, through that capability, that if they just let people know their reach that they've now got a hamburger restaurant and you can order on Uber Eats right now or you can click here to get my lip kits. \n\nYou know, access to those eyeballs, that's all. So I look at that and if I had not, if I had been cut off from you know, sort of I would say I'm in the tippy top percent of people of time spent on popular culture. I guess you know, and I look at it as I look at, it's a problem in terms of a lot of time and a lot of you know that mindless stuff you would think like screen time, but all the inputs and awareness is just monitoring the signal to get and recognize patterns. You know. So I'm real. Yeah, well, let me throw you a challenge on the culture side. \n\nDan: get and recognize patterns, you know. So I'm really sorry, yeah, well, let me throw you a challenge on the culture side. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: Okay. So in New York City there's going to be a meeting of you know, I guess it's a shareholders meeting for a big health insurance company and the head of one part of the health insurance company is walking down the street. Somebody shoots him in the back and kills him, kills him the CEO, and they, yeah, they catch up with him. You know, a week later and you know he's arrested in a McDonald's in Pennsylvania and they find all sorts of incriminating evidence that he in fact is the person who was the shooter. And now he's got, you know, he's got sort of a manifesto about that. These CEOs are doing evil and even though he doesn't think that his action was an admirable action, it had to be done. I would say that's a cultural factoid because up until now being a CEO is like being an aristocrat in our capitalist society. \n\nI get a CEO and now the CEOs are trying to be invisible and they're hiring like mad new security. So all the status value of being a CEO got disappeared on an early morning sidewalk in New York City because somebody shot him. Shot him in the back, you know, I mean it wasn't a brave act, shot him in the back, but the reason is that you, as a CEO, are doing harm to large numbers of people and someone has to stop you. \n\nI would say, that's as much a cultural fact as Mr Beast or Kylie Jenner. \n\nDean: Yeah, I mean, would you say that again? \n\nDan: I mean, I think, every CEO in the United States. \n\nDan: United States has instantly changed his whole schedule and how he's going to show up in public and where he's going to be seen in public where he doesn't have large amounts of security, with one action broadly communicated out through the social media and through the mainstream media. He just changed the whole way of life for CEOs. I would say that's a cultural fact. It's a negative one. You're talking about positive ones, but I believe for every positive thing you have, there's probably a corresponding negative one. \n\nI'm struck by that You're just not going to see CEOs around anymore, and I mean, half the value of being a CEO is being seen around and they just removed the whole reward for being seen around, just removed the whole reward for being seen around. \n\nDean: Yeah, I wonder, you know like I mean. But there are certain things like other I don't know that it's all CEOs. You know, like I think, if you are perceived as the part of the vilified, you know CEOs, the almost back to Occupy Wall Street kind of things, if you're a CEO of a company that's viewed as the oppressor, like those insurance things, but I don't know if that's true for the CEOs of NVIDIA and OpenAI and Tesla, and you know what I mean. \n\nDan: I think, if you're yeah, I wonder, but we'll see, but we'll see, we'll see. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, are you the people's CEO? You know, I think. \n\nDan: Yeah, I mean my yeah. Somebody once asked me about this, you know. They said how well known would you like to be? And I said just be below the line where I would have to have security. \n\nDean: Right, yeah, if you look at it, can you think of anybody? \n\nDan: I wander around Toronto on my own. I go here and I go there and everything else, and nobody knows who I am. That's my security. \n\nDean: Nobody knows who I am yeah, but you wonder, like you know, if you look at the level of fame of you know you? You've mentioned before the difference between Warren Buffett and Mark Zuckerberg. Warren Buffett is certainly very famous, but nobody's mad at him. I guess that's part of the thing. He's very wise, or viewed as wise. \n\nDan: He's usefully wise. \n\nDean: Yeah, exactly. \n\nDan: Investing according to his benchmarks and his strategies has proved very valuable to a great number of people. \n\nDean: Agreed. \n\nDan: Plus, he's got a fairly simple, understandable lifestyle. He still lives in the house he's lived in for the last 40 years, still drives a pickup truck and his you know the entrance to his home is filled with boxes of Diet Coke. \n\nDean: Cherry. \n\nDan: Coke Cherry Coke, cherry Coke. \n\nDean: Cherry Coke, not Diet Coke. No, I'm not. That's a subject, I'm not an expert in Cherry Coke. \n\nDan: Cherry Coke, not Diet Coke. That's a subject I'm not an expert in. \n\nDean: That's the funniest thing. Right, that's one of my top two. \n\nDan: Warren Buffett, you have merit badges in that area. \n\nDean: Yeah. But I think culture, you know, I don't know, I'm trying, it's a slippery beast, this thing culture you know, it's a slippery, slippery beast and you know there's I think that's part of the thing, though it's like the zeitgeist you know is, I think, having an awareness zeitgeist gosh, you just had to slip in a german word, didn't you? \n\nDan: you just had to get a german word, yeah I've been sort of fixated on schadenfreude for the last month. I've just been why I've just been watching the democrats respond to the election and I'm fully schadenfreude. I've been fully schadenfreid for the last month. But zeitgeist, the spirit, I think that translates into the spirit of the times. \n\nDean: Yes, that's exactly what it is. That's what I meant by. That's what I meant by. I'm very like, I think I'm at the tippy top of the you know percentiles of people who are tuned into the zeitgeist, I think that's. I would be self-reportedly that, but yeah, and I don't know, but at the cost of there's a lot of useless stuff that gets in there as well, you know, and negative, and you're faced with all of it. So, my, my filter, I'm taking in all the sewer water kind of thing and having to filter it through rather than just, you know, pre-filtering, only drinking filtered water. \n\nDan: You're getting rid of the fluoride drinking filtered water. \n\nDean: You're getting rid of the fluoride. Yeah, exactly, winter haven. Florida, by the way, is one of the first in the country to be getting rid of fluoride on the oh no, this will happen really quick. \n\nDan: Oh yeah, it was just that. \n\nDean: I, I just said I just saw that winter haven was like one of the first movers you, you know, polk County Florida is removing and, by the way, polk County Florida is now fastest growing county in the country. So then, so there you know, 30 something, 30,000 something people that we grew by, yeah, so, new. \n\nDan: You're to date right, you're to date Over the last 12 months, over the last 12 months. I guess that's how they measure it yeah. \n\nDean: So my thought, dan, was that I was looking to. You know, like my tune in to the zeitgeist is on a daily, real-time basis, I'm getting the full feed, right. No, no filters. Yeah, what I was thinking. What I was wondering about was if I were to change the cadence of it to more sort of filtered content, like I would say what you do, your, you've chosen a filter called real clear politics. Right, that's your, that's your filter, and you probably have five or six other filters that are your lens through yeah, it would be the go-to every day. \n\nDan: You know I start the morning and. I go on my computer, I go to the RealClear site. \nSo it's. \nRealClear comes up as RealClear politics, but then they have about eight other RealClear channels. \n\nRealClear politics, RealClear markets, RealClear world. Realclear defense, energy, health science, you know, and everything like that. But the beauty of it is that they're aggregators of other people's output. So you know everybody's competing to get their articles on real clear. You know the New York Times competes to try to get. You know, get every day maybe one or two of its headlines, supposedly for most of my life. \n\nThe most important newspaper in the world and they have to compete every day to get something of theirs onto the real clear platform. And it seems very balanced to me, right to left from politics. You know, politically, if I look at 20 headlines, I would say that five of them are real total right, five of them are total left and there's a lot of middle. \n\nThere's a lot of middle about things like that, you know about things like that, you know, and then I'll punch on them, and then that takes me right to the publication or the site that produced the headline, and then I might see three or four things and I discover new ones. I discover new ones all the time. And it's good and there's a lot of filtering that's being done, but I do. They're not interpreting these articles. They're just giving you the article. You can read the article and make up your own mind about it. \n\nNow they do some editing in some cases because they interpret the headlines and they have a sidebar where there's topical areas where it's clear to me that real clear has created the headline. That's not the originating. \n\nDean: You know the originating source of the article that's kind of like that's the drudge playbook, right yeah? \n\nDan: I used to like drudge but he went wacky. He went wacky so I didn't read him anymore. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: These guys are pretty cool. They're pretty cool. They've been going now for a dozen years anyway, as I've been aware, and they seem really cool. You know they carry advertising. That's not if I'm thinking of horses. I don't get horse ads, you know. 10 minutes later you're done. \n\nDean: Something like that. \n\nDan: But they do have their advertising model, but I don't, you know, I'm not interested in buying anything, so it doesn't really affect me, but that's really great. You know what's really interesting. Peter Zion, you know I'm a big fan of his. \n\nAnd he's got a blog and he came out about a month ago saying I'm going to put in a new approach and that is, you'll always get your free blog and video to go along with it. So it's written and then it's also got the video, but it will be a week later than when I put it on, and if you want it right away, it'll cost you this much. And I'm giving all that money to some cause. Okay, so I'm fundraising for some cause and I just went a week with no Peter Zine and then I started getting it every day and it makes no difference to me whether I got it last week or this week, okay, and so I just waited a week and I'm right up to date again as far as I'm concerned. \n\nDean: Right yeah. \n\nDan: Like when Syria fell. You know, the Syrian government collapsed last week and he had nothing on it until seven days later. I want to go over, but he's adjusting his format now. He says I'm going to give you four stages to what's actually happening. So you know, he's experimented with something and he's finding that he has to adjust his presentation a little bit just for people saying you know? You know, I'm going to tell you over a three-day period what happened. This happened on the first day, this happened on the second day, third day and this is where we are on the fourth day, and everything else and that's good. \n\nI like that. Everything else you know and everything, but that's part of the culture. You know it's part of the culture. \n\nDean: Yeah. So my thought like my sense of culture. \n\nDan: it's what culture is. Whatever's happening right now that you're interested in, yeah, it seems to show some interesting movement. \n\nDean: Yeah, I think you're, I think you're right. I mean, my thought was of experimenting, was to go to more of a rather than a minute by minute, always on direct feed to the zeitgeist is going through a daily. You know, I had a really interesting two days at strategic coach in Toronto just a couple of weeks ago, when you know I was. I referred to it, as you know, workshopping like it was 1989 with my phone. \n\nDan: You were practicing, practicing abstinence. \n\nDean: Yeah, I was, and what I learned in that was, and I did it two days in a row with zero contact with the outside world, from nine o'clock to five o'clock when the workshops were going on, no checking in at the breaks or at lunch or, you know, no notifications. You know dinging while I'm in the workshops. It was certainly anchoring, you know, presence to me in the in the workshops, but also noticed that nothing really happened. You know like I didn't miss anything in that five, in that nine to five period. You know I got a bunch of emails over the day but there were maybe two or three that were like for me or of any real interest or necessity for me. You know I have two inboxes. I have a, you know, my, my dean at dean jackson. My main mailbox is monitored by, you know, people, stakeholders in the, you know, because sometimes an email will come in and if it has something to do with our realtor division, diane is in there and sees that and can respond, or Lillian is able to respond. \n\nBut then I also have my own, a private email just for me, that I give to my friends, and whenever you email me, that's the email that you use and those ones are not. Those aren't seen by anybody but me. But there's even far fewer of those that come through than come into the main one. \n\nDan: Well, it's an interesting experiment that you're doing here, because it seems to me that one is the world is changing all the time. As far as news is concerned, the world is. I guess that's what news means. You know that things are changing, but if you don't pay attention to it over a long period of time and you don't feel inconvenienced, by it then, probably, it wasn't important probably it wasn't important, yeah, you know, and like I'm in six and a half years now with no television you know right and and you know, I've gone through two, two full presidential elections without watching television and yet I don't feel that I've missed anything important by not watching television Because I have real clear politics and I have a computer and I get videos. \n\nI can go to YouTube. And if somebody's giving a talk somewhere I can watch, where on television you would never get the whole speech. You know you would be broken up with commercials and everything like that. And then you have some commentators telling you what you were supposed to think about that, which I don't really require that I'm perfectly able to understand what I'm thinking about it and everything like that. So I don't know, I don't know. Well, my thought experiment. \n\nDean: You know what you? \n\nDan: should do is say what kind of cultural information is sugar and what kind of cultural information is protein, I get it, and so that's kind of where I was thinking. To me that's where you're going. \n\nDean: I'm thinking about slowing down the cadence so, and to have a daily, like you know, something like real clear and you know there's thinking about where that is filtered sort of thing for me, thinking about where that is filtered sort of thing for me. And then weekly, you know, like I think, if I just looked at, if I went to print as a thing, if I were to say, you know, time Magazine, newsweek, the Inc Magazine, people Magazine, like I think, if there were some things that I could and the Weekend Wall Street Journal, I think with those you could, that would be kind of a really good. \n\nI don't think I would miss out. \n\nDan: I'm really big on the Weekend Wall Street Journal, I think that's a great print. That's a great print medium. I literally haven't read Time magazine. I don't know, maybe 20 years or, but it seems like they're probably on top of what's even if it's slanted, you're going to get a sense of what the core thing is. \n\nDean: That's actually right. Yeah, I know. \n\nDan: A lot of Democrats canceled their subscription over the last three or four days because Trump person of the year. Yeah exactly. See, now, that's an interesting piece of information, yeah yeah, what they wrote about him I don't find interesting, but the fact that certain readers they must have made him look good, you know, for that sort of cancellation, you know you know it's like this is being categorized as the kiss the ring phase. \n\nDean: That's what abc there was being characterized. That time magazine kissed the ring by making him person of the year abc. You know, kissing the ring, giving him 15 million dollars, and well, they didn't $15 million. \n\nDan: Well, they didn't give him $15 million, they were required to give him $15 million yeah exactly, and George Stephanopoulos has to apologize publicly for defaming him as he should. As he should, yeah, for defaming him, you know, as he should, as he should. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. \n\nDean: So Trump's got to have at least one court case. \n\nDan: Trump's got to have at least one court case going in his favor. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: But I look at that as you know, that's a really. I think that would be a really useful thing. Would certainly get me back three or four hours a day of yeah you know, of screen time. It would give me more dean time to use, because it would certainly condense a lot of that but you have some interesting models that are, I would say, are cultural models. \n\nDan: I would say more cheese, less whiskers is a cultural model. I mean, if you have it as a thought form, you can see, you can simplify happenings around you. You know, that seems a little bit too much whiskers, exactly, too much whiskers. Yeah, that seems like a fine new cheese. Yeah, that seems like a fine new cheese. For example, taylor Swift gave $100 million in bonuses to everybody who helped her on her tour. \n\nDean: I don't know if you saw that. It's crazy $200 million. \n\nDan: The truck drivers, the ones who got $100,000. They got $100,000. And her father delivered the checks. That seems like a really. That's like a fondue, that's not just cheese. \n\nDean: That is only the finest cheese fondue. Yes, exactly, that's so funny. \n\nDan: when they hit it big, they're real jerks and they're real pricks and she's not. She's showing gratitude. That's very much a cheese. That was a very cheesy thing for her to do. In your model, that's a very cheesy thing for her to do. Yeah, in your model, that's a very cheesy thing. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I look at you know another thing that's happening is I don't know whether you've followed or seen what Deion Sanders has done with Colorado football over the last two seasons, but he basically went from the basement of 1-11 team the worst team in college football to the Alamo Bowl in two seasons and Travis Hunter just won the Heisman Trophy and he could quite possibly have the top two draft picks. \n\nDan: His son didn't win the Heisman Trophy Hunter. Oh, you're saying Travis Hunter? I? \n\nDean: was saying Travis Hunter. He could possibly have the top two picks in the NFL draft between Jadot and Travis Hunter and it's just, I mean, it fits in so perfectly with my you know, 100 week, you know timeframe there. That that's, I think, the optimal. I think you can have a really big impact in a hundred weeks on anything but to go from the basement to the bowl game is like it's a really good case study. But that really is. \n\nYou know, I often I think there's so many things that play like a crystal clear vision of what he was trying to accomplish In his mind. There's no other path than them being the greatest football team, the greatest college football team in the country. That's really it. Building an empire. That's certainly where he's headed and his belief, that's the only outcome. You know it's so. I was. I read a book and, by the way, I'll have an aside on this, but I read a book years ago called Overachievement and it was a book by a sports psychologist at Rice University and his assessment of overachievers people who have achieved outsized results. One of his observations is that, without fail, they all have what he characterizes as unreasonable confidence or irrational. That's irrational confidence. That's what it is, and I thought to myself like that's a pretty interesting word pairing, because who's to say how much confidence is rational, you know, yeah, it's kind of it's it's and first of all, I. \n\nDan: I don't think the two words even have anything to do with each other I don't either. \n\nDean: That's why I thought it was so remarkable. You know, I think irrational confidence I mean, yeah, spoken by. \n\nDan: spoken by someone who I thought it was so remarkable, irrational confidence. I mean spoken by someone who probably has very little. \n\n0:46:50 - Dean:\nI mean interesting right Like people look at that, but I thought I've overlaid it with your four C's right Is that commitment leads to courage? Yeah, that commitment leads to courage First of all. \n\nDan: I think it can be grown. I'm a great believer that commitment can be grown, courage can be grown, capability can be grown, confidence can be grown. It's a cycle. It's a growth cycle. It's like ambition. It's like ambition. I'm much more ambitious today than I was 30 years ago way more ambitious and 30 years ago I was 50. That's when most people are kind of are peaking out on ambition when they're 50. \n\nI mean I was in the valley 50 years ago, compared to where I am now, but I've always treated ambition as something that you can grow, and my particular approach is that the more you can tap into other people's capabilities for your projects, the more your ambition can grow. \n\nIt's an interesting thing. Irrational confidence. \n\nDean: Yeah, and I thought that you know, so it's pretty interesting. \n\nDan: There must be a scale somewhere, you know, get on the scale, please. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rational, oh, he's above. Rational, above irrational, oh, that's totally irrational confidence. \n\nDean: yes, he's just setting himself up for disappointment. That's like I think're in the confidence of living to 156. That's irrational. Yeah, it is till I fail, exactly. Yeah, but that's okay, it's not going to make any difference to you. I always love your live, live, live pattern. It's not going to affect you. \n\nDan: Live live, live, go on. \n\nDean: I saw somebody doing an illustration, Dan, of how long it takes for the world to adapt to you not being here, and the gentleman had his finger in a glass of water and he pulled it out. \n\nDan: Watch, yeah, watch, how long the hole lasts. \n\nDean: It's the truth, you know, yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: I don't know if you got a hold of that book. Same as Ever, the Morgan Household book. \n\nDean: I did. I've read it and it's fantastic. It's good, isn't it? \n\nIt really is it kind of calms you down. \n\nDan: You know it kind of calms you down. You know I told Joe Polish I said you know how to get that guy as a speaker. I think he's great and anyway, you know he said he makes he has that one great little chapter on evolution. How long it takes, you know, like evolution, three or four million years, and he says stuff that you know is lasting over a long period of time you know is really worth paying attention to, really worth paying attention to. You know that and I find one of the things that you know at my advancing age at my advancing age is that I can see now things that were are equally true today as they were 50 years ago yeah, I see that too. \n\nDean: Absolutely see that too. Absolutely, see that through. I'm on the cusp right now. Like you know, we're coming into 2025. \n\nAnd so this is the first time I started thinking about 25 years ahead was in 1999. That 25 year timeframe, you know, and certainly when I made those, you know five or three stock in. You know investment decisions. But looking back now, you know there were clues as to what is what was what was coming. But there are certainly a lot of through line to it too. You know, like I think, what I did choose was you know it's still Warren Buffett, it's still Berkshire was a great as a 10 times or more stock over 25 years. Starbucks and Procter and Gamble they're equally. Those were durable choices. But you know what was what I could have, what was there? Looking back now, the evidence was there already that Amazon and Google and Apple would have been rocket ships. You know guessing and betting, dan. It's like guessing and betting with certainty. Or you know where you think, like I think, if we look and maybe next week we can have a conversation about this the guessing and betting for the next 25 years, you know. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: I think he Warren Buffett. He said that Gillette, I like Gillette. He said I think men are going to still be shaving 25 years from now. \n\nDean: That's what he said. That was. What was so impactful to me is that he says I can't tell which technology is going to win, even five years from now, but I know that men are going to go to bed and they're going to wake up with whiskers. Some of them are going to want to shave them off. King Gillette is going to be there, like he has been since 1850. \n\nDan: And it's like railroads, he's very heavy into railroads. We're going to be moving things. People are still going to be moving things. \n\nDean: I had a really good friend. \n\nDan: Trains will still really be a good way to move things from one place to another. \n\nDean: Isn't that funny. I had a good friend in high school. His big insight was he wanted to start a pallet company because no matter which direction things go, you're still going to need to stack them on a pallet and move them. Put my mom there. So funny which direction things go, you're still going to need to stack them on a pallet and move them, put them around there. \n\nDan: you know so funny that pallet. They're really good. Yeah, I love it All right. All right, we're deep into the culture, we're into. It's an interesting word. It's an interesting word but anytime you talk to somebody about it, they have very specific examples that are their take on culture. And you talk to someone else and maybe culture is everybody's views on culture. Maybe that's what the culture is. \n\nDean: Maybe, maybe, all righty. Okay, have a great day. I'll talk to you next week. Bye, bye. \n\nDan: Okay, have a great day. I'll talk to you next week, okay, bye, bye, okay Bye. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eToday on Welcome to Cloudlandia, We start with the mysterious drone sightings over New Jersey, exploring the thin line between conspiracy and curiosity. These nocturnal aerial visitors become a metaphor for our complex modern world, where information and imagination intersect.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe then investigate the profound impact of cultural icons like Mr. Beast and Kylie Jenner, examining how influence transcends traditional expertise. Our discussion reveals how public figures navigate changing landscapes of leadership and visibility, offering insights into the evolving dynamics of success and social capital.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe episode concludes by challenging our approach to information consumption. Drawing from personal experiments and wisdom from thought leaders like Warren Buffett, we explore strategies for staying informed in a noisy digital ecosystem. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOur conversation provides practical perspectives on navigating media, understanding cultural shifts, and maintaining perspective amid constant information flow.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul style=\"list-style-type: circle;\"\u003e\n\u003c/center\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe explore the presence of drones over New Jersey, questioning whether they are linked to government surveillance or civilian activities, while considering the broader context of misinformation and conspiracy theories.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eDan and I discuss the concept of anticipation being more stressful than actual experiences, suggesting it as a contributor to mental distress.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eThe impact of cultural icons like Mr. Beast and Kylie Jenner is examined, highlighting their influence despite lacking traditional skills in their fields.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe ponder on how cultural shifts are altering perceptions of corporate leadership, using a hypothetical scenario of a CEO's public safety being compromised.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eThe dynamics of news consumption are analyzed, contrasting real-time news feeds with curated platforms like RealClear Politics to understand how they balance diverse political viewpoints.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eI share my experience with digital abstinence, noting the benefits of reduced distractions and the negligible impact of disconnecting from the continuous news cycle temporarily.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eThe concept of \"irrational confidence\" is explored, discussing how it characterizes overachievers and can be cultivated over time to foster personal growth.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe reflect on long-term investment strategies inspired by Warren Buffett, emphasizing the enduring need for certain products and industries.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eI consider the importance of balancing cultural awareness with the need to filter out unnecessary noise, contemplating changes in my information consumption habits.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eInsights from personal experiments in digital and media consumption are shared, emphasizing the importance of distinguishing between transient cultural information and lasting knowledge.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Sullivan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Jackson are the drones looking down on you. \u003cbr\u003e\nAre the drones looking down on you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, how many do you have up there? What is going? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e on with these drones. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I bet there\u0026#39;s just a bunch of civilians fooling around with the government. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I wonder you know like you look at this. I think it\u0026#39;s so. I wonder you know like you look at this. I think it\u0026#39;s so amazing that you know we\u0026#39;ve had a theme, or I\u0026#39;ve been kind of thinking about this, with the. You know, is this the best time to be alive or the worst time to be alive? And I mentioned that I think probably in every practical way, this is the best time, but the anything in the worst time to be alive column just the speed and proliferation of, you know, conspiracies and misinformation and the battle for our minds. You know, keeping us in that. You know everything is just enough to be. You know where you\u0026#39;re uncertain of stuff. You know there\u0026#39;s a lot of uncertainty that\u0026#39;s being laid out right now in every way. I mean, you look at just what\u0026#39;s happened in the last. If we take 2020, fear you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, tell me about it. I\u0026#39;m not very much of that 2024. Tell me about it. I experience very much of that. But why don\u0026#39;t you tell me about that? Because I want to note some things down here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know what? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Every month, more money comes in than goes out. What more do you need to know besides that? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I agree with you. I\u0026#39;m seeing the light here. It\u0026#39;s just on the top level. We went through an election year which is always the you know the highly funded, you know misinformation campaigns or you know putting out there. So everybody\u0026#39;s up on high level. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAre you talking about lies Are? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e you talking about lies? Are you talking about lies? Who knows Dan? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e When I was growing up we called them lies. Why so many extra letters? I mean lies, that\u0026#39;s a perfectly good Anglo-Saxon word. Why is Greek and Roman stuff in there? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that\u0026#39;s the thing, If we just simplify it. But if we bring it down to lies and truth, it\u0026#39;s much more. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I like lies and truth. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s much more difficult to discern the lies from the truth. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, he\u0026#39;s telling a lie here, folks, his mouth is moving Exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know that\u0026#39;s the truth, but I just look at that. It\u0026#39;s like you know the things that are. You know the things that are happening right now. Like you look at even with the government, even with the congressional hearings or announcements on, almost just like a matter of fact, oh yeah, there\u0026#39;s aliens, there\u0026#39;s totally aliens. There\u0026#39;s. They\u0026#39;ve been here for a long time. We\u0026#39;ve got some in, we\u0026#39;ve got all the evidence and everything like that. But you know, carry on, it\u0026#39;s just kind of so. It\u0026#39;s so funny. Stuff is being like, you know, nobody really is kind of talking about it. And then you get these drone situations in New Jersey, all these drones coming out and the government saying I know nothing to see here, nothing going on there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, my take if you\u0026#39;re going to be using drones. New Jersey would be my choice. You know I put drones over New Jersey. Not a lot happening there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e All the memes now are that it\u0026#39;s some highly sophisticated, you know fast food delivery service for Chris Christie. That\u0026#39;s all the meme things. They\u0026#39;re on a direct pipeline delivering fast food to Chris Christie. That\u0026#39;s just so funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, I mean the whole point is that civilians could do this. I mean, I think everybody probably has the you know, or certain people do have the technological capability now to put up drones, you know, and just put some lights on them and put them in the night sky I\u0026#39;m sure anybody does that and then you know, and then you\u0026#39;ll be on social media. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Somebody will film you and everything like that you know it\u0026#39;s at night and they\u0026#39;re mysterious. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Always do it at night, never do it during the day You\u0026#39;ve got to use the right words to describe them too, dan, you\u0026#39;ve got to use the right words they\u0026#39;re mysterious drones. And if you practice you can get them to fly. In formation it looks even more interesting. I\u0026#39;m swooping a little bit in formation, everything else, well, I don\u0026#39;t believe there\u0026#39;s aliens. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, good Everything else yeah. Well, I don\u0026#39;t believe there\u0026#39;s aliens, so you know I mean. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t believe there\u0026#39;s anything more alien than people I\u0026#39;ve already met. That\u0026#39;s what. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know I\u0026#39;ve met some alien thought forms on the part of some people. But see, I think you got to make a fundamental decision about this up front. This is worth thinking about or it\u0026#39;s not worth thinking about. Yeah, okay, so I made the decision. It\u0026#39;s not worth thinking about that. If something new develops, I\u0026#39;ll probably know about it in a very short period of time, and then I can start responding to it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, but about six months ago a new resolution plunked into place in my brain, and that is I\u0026#39;m not going to react to an experience until I actually have the experience. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So say more about that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Rather than making up a fantasy or the possibility that there\u0026#39;s an experience to be it. Actually you\u0026#39;re getting. I think mental illness is having an experience before you\u0026#39;ve actually being afraid of an experience before you\u0026#39;ve actually had it. It\u0026#39;s the anticipation of having an experience that I think causes mental illness. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s true, isn\u0026#39;t it? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean, that\u0026#39;s like yeah, I haven\u0026#39;t seen Probably not the only thing, probably not the only thing about mental illness, but I think that would qualify as an aspect. It certainly is a paranoia, certainly an aspect of paranoia, yeah, but things are moving. I think we\u0026#39;re witnessing one of the greatest innovations in the history of the United States right now. Can I tell you what it is? Would you be interested? I\u0026#39;m all ears. Yeah, President is elected, and then there\u0026#39;s this period from the day after the election until the inauguration. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And it\u0026#39;s basically been fallow. Nothing grows during that time and Trump has just decided why don\u0026#39;t I just start acting like the president right after the election and really create a huge momentum by the time we get to the inauguration? Let\u0026#39;s be so forceful right after the election that all the world leaders talk to me. They don\u0026#39;t talk to the existing president. That\u0026#39;s his name. I forget what I forget Joe, joe, joe. All right, that\u0026#39;s the name, that\u0026#39;s the name of the beach, that\u0026#39;s the name of the beach, I just find it remarkable how, around the world, everybody\u0026#39;s responding to the incoming president, not to the actual president. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat\u0026#39;s the truth. I think he\u0026#39;s, and he\u0026#39;s getting people. There\u0026#39;s foreign policy changing. You know there\u0026#39;s foreign policy, mexico, their foreign policy you know, their export import policy is changing. Canada export import policy is changing. Canada export-import policy is changing. And all he did was say a word. He said I think we\u0026#39;re going to put a 25% tariff on both of you. And all of a sudden, they\u0026#39;re up at night. They\u0026#39;re up at night. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I happened to be, in Toronto when all that was being announced. I happened to be in Toronto when all that was being announced and all the news was, you know, that there\u0026#39;s an emergency meeting of all of the premiers to discuss the reaction to Donald Trump\u0026#39;s proposed tariff. You know, you\u0026#39;re absolutely right. Everybody\u0026#39;s scrambling, everybody\u0026#39;s. You know, they\u0026#39;re definitely, you know, thinking about what\u0026#39;s coming. You know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And then he goes to Paris for the opening of, you know, they\u0026#39;re definitely, you know, thinking about what\u0026#39;s coming, you know. And then he goes to Paris for the opening of, you know, the you know, the renovation of Notre Dame Cathedral. Yeah, looks good, by the way, I don\u0026#39;t know if you\u0026#39;ve seen the pictures. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt looks really good. I was in there. You know I\u0026#39;ve been to Paris, I think I\u0026#39;ve been to Paris three times and I went the first time. I said, oh, I\u0026#39;ve been to Paris, I think I\u0026#39;ve been to Paris three times and I went the first time. I said, oh, I have to go to Notre Dame Cathedral. And I went in and I said, gee, it\u0026#39;s dark and dingy and I\u0026#39;m not sure they even clean. You know, clean the place anymore. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd all it takes is a little fire to get everybody into cleanup mode, and boy, it looks spectacular. So Trump goes there and it\u0026#39;s like he\u0026#39;s the emperor of the world. You know, all the heads of state come up and they want to shake his hands and everything like that. I\u0026#39;ve never seen anything like that with an incoming president. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey want to get on his good side and everybody\u0026#39;s giving them money for his inauguration. Mark Zuckerberg\u0026#39;s giving them money. The head of Google\u0026#39;s giving them money for his inauguration. Mark zuckerberg\u0026#39;s giving them money. The head of google is giving them money. Jeff bezos giving them money. Abc\u0026#39;s giving them 15 million. That\u0026#39;ll just go into his library library fund. Yeah, and everything else. Wow. You know, I\u0026#39;ve never seen them do this to an incoming president before. Yeah, time magazine called him the person of the year Already. I didn\u0026#39;t even know there was a Time magazine. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m actually thinking. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI\u0026#39;ve been, I\u0026#39;ve been like thinking, dan, about my 2025, you know information plan and you know I\u0026#39;ve been kind of test driving this idea of you know, disconnecting. Where I struggle with this is that so much of the insights and things that I have are because I, on top of culture, you know, I think I\u0026#39;m very like tuned in to what\u0026#39;s going on. I have a pretty broad, you know, observation of everything and that. So where I struggle with it is letting go of like at the vcr formula, for instance, was born of my observation and awareness of what\u0026#39;s going on with mr beast and kylie jenner and these, you know, that sort of early thing of knowing and seeing what\u0026#39;s going on you know before many of our contemporaries kind of thing. Right, many of our people are very decidedly disconnected from popular culture and don\u0026#39;t pay attention to it. So I look at that as a balance. That part of it there\u0026#39;s a certain amount of awareness that is an advantage for me might be affected if I were to be blissfully unaware of what\u0026#39;s going on in culture, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I don\u0026#39;t know. I mean you could put Charlotte on to the job you know, yeah, and that\u0026#39;s so I look at that. Charlotte. For our listeners, charlotte is Dean\u0026#39;s AI sleuth. She finds out things. She\u0026#39;s a sleuthy integrator of things that Dean finds interesting. You ought to talk it over with her and say how can I stop doing this and still have the benefit of it? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, my thing. I think that where there might be an AI tool that I could use for this, but Charlotte, from what I understand, is bound by her latest update or whatever. She\u0026#39;s got access to everything up to a certain date. She doesn\u0026#39;t have real time information in terms of the most recent stuff. Have you heard, by the way, dan, what is? We\u0026#39;re imminently away from the release of ChatGPPT 5, which is supposedly I want to get the numbers right on this. Let me just look at a text here, because it\u0026#39;s so overwhelmingly more powerful than ChatGPT 4. The new ChatGPT5 has 10 trillion gpus compared to chat gpt4, which is 75 billion. So the difference from 75 billion to 10 trillion sounds like a pretty impressive leap. Sounds like a pretty impressive leap, and that\u0026#39;ll put it over the top of you know, the current thing is a 121 IQ, and this will bring it to being smarter than any human on the planet. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And so we don\u0026#39;t even know, but not at doing anything particular. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I guess not. I mean just the insight processing, logic, reasoning, all of that stuff being able to process information. I\u0026#39;m still amazed I was talking. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e When it comes out. Three months after it comes out, will you notice any difference? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s what I\u0026#39;m wondering, my feeling is that I\u0026#39;m not even sure what cat GPT is two years after it came out, because I haven\u0026#39;t interacted with it at all Right, I\u0026#39;ve interacted with perplexity, which I find satisfying. And you know, yeah, there\u0026#39;s an interesting. I read an interesting article on human intelligence and it said that by and large, there\u0026#39;s an active, practical zone to human intelligence where you\u0026#39;re above average in confidence and you\u0026#39;re above average in making sense of things, and it seems to be between 120 and 140. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, 120, 140. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And about 40, 140,. Your confidence goes down as you get smarter and your awareness of making sense of things gets weaker, gets weaker. And from a standpoint of communicating with other people, the sweet zone seems to be 120 to 140. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, I think you\u0026#39;re right. I think that, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You\u0026#39;ve got above average pattern, You\u0026#39;ve got above average pattern recognition and you\u0026#39;ve got good eye-hand coordination you know, in the artisans of the word that you can see something and take action on it quite quickly. You have the ability to do that, and probably in new ways, probably in new ways so you don\u0026#39;t have a lot of friction coming the other way. You know when you do something new? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eyeah, but iq, you know, iq, iq is one measurement of human behavior yeah but there\u0026#39;s many others that are more prominent, so yeah, I think this is you know, I think silicon Valley has a big fixation on IQ because they like to compare who\u0026#39;s got the biggest. They like to compare who\u0026#39;s got the biggest, but I\u0026#39;m not sure it really relates to anything useful or practical beyond a certain point. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it\u0026#39;s not actionable. There\u0026#39;s no insight in it, not like knowing that you\u0026#39;re Colby, knowing that we\u0026#39;re 10 quick starts is useful information. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s like having six quick starts together with some alcohol. Right, it\u0026#39;s a fun party. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, like you said your book club or your dinner clubs, our next-door neighbor our next-door neighbor\u0026#39;s husband and wife and Shannon Waller and her husband. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Our quick start out of the 60 is 56. We just have the best time for about three or four hours Good food, the wine is good and everything else. We just have the best time for about three or four hours Good food, the wine is good and everything else. And regardless of what happens transpires during those four hours, the world is completely safe from any impact. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, exactly, it\u0026#39;s so funny it\u0026#39;s not going to leave the room. Yeah, everybody\u0026#39;s safe, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Go back to culture. What do you mean by culture when you say? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e culture. What? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e do you mean by culture? When you say culture, what do you mean? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, like popular culture, what\u0026#39;s happening in the world right now, like having an awareness of what, because I\u0026#39;m a good pattern recognizer and I see and I\u0026#39;m overlaying things. I\u0026#39;m curious and alert and always looking for what\u0026#39;s with Mr Beast and recognizing that neither one of them has any capability to do the thing that they\u0026#39;re doing. Mr Beast didn\u0026#39;t have the capability to make and run hamburger restaurants and Kylie didn\u0026#39;t have any capability to run and manufacture a cosmetics company, but they both were aligned with people who had that capability and that allowed them to have a conduit from their vision, through that capability, that if they just let people know their reach that they\u0026#39;ve now got a hamburger restaurant and you can order on Uber Eats right now or you can click here to get my lip kits. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, access to those eyeballs, that\u0026#39;s all. So I look at that and if I had not, if I had been cut off from you know, sort of I would say I\u0026#39;m in the tippy top percent of people of time spent on popular culture. I guess you know, and I look at it as I look at, it\u0026#39;s a problem in terms of a lot of time and a lot of you know that mindless stuff you would think like screen time, but all the inputs and awareness is just monitoring the signal to get and recognize patterns. You know. So I\u0026#39;m real. Yeah, well, let me throw you a challenge on the culture side. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e get and recognize patterns, you know. So I\u0026#39;m really sorry, yeah, well, let me throw you a challenge on the culture side. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. So in New York City there\u0026#39;s going to be a meeting of you know, I guess it\u0026#39;s a shareholders meeting for a big health insurance company and the head of one part of the health insurance company is walking down the street. Somebody shoots him in the back and kills him, kills him the CEO, and they, yeah, they catch up with him. You know, a week later and you know he\u0026#39;s arrested in a McDonald\u0026#39;s in Pennsylvania and they find all sorts of incriminating evidence that he in fact is the person who was the shooter. And now he\u0026#39;s got, you know, he\u0026#39;s got sort of a manifesto about that. These CEOs are doing evil and even though he doesn\u0026#39;t think that his action was an admirable action, it had to be done. I would say that\u0026#39;s a cultural factoid because up until now being a CEO is like being an aristocrat in our capitalist society. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI get a CEO and now the CEOs are trying to be invisible and they\u0026#39;re hiring like mad new security. So all the status value of being a CEO got disappeared on an early morning sidewalk in New York City because somebody shot him. Shot him in the back, you know, I mean it wasn\u0026#39;t a brave act, shot him in the back, but the reason is that you, as a CEO, are doing harm to large numbers of people and someone has to stop you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI would say, that\u0026#39;s as much a cultural fact as Mr Beast or Kylie Jenner. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean, would you say that again? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, I think, every CEO in the United States. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e United States has instantly changed his whole schedule and how he\u0026#39;s going to show up in public and where he\u0026#39;s going to be seen in public where he doesn\u0026#39;t have large amounts of security, with one action broadly communicated out through the social media and through the mainstream media. He just changed the whole way of life for CEOs. I would say that\u0026#39;s a cultural fact. It\u0026#39;s a negative one. You\u0026#39;re talking about positive ones, but I believe for every positive thing you have, there\u0026#39;s probably a corresponding negative one. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI\u0026#39;m struck by that You\u0026#39;re just not going to see CEOs around anymore, and I mean, half the value of being a CEO is being seen around and they just removed the whole reward for being seen around, just removed the whole reward for being seen around. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I wonder, you know like I mean. But there are certain things like other I don\u0026#39;t know that it\u0026#39;s all CEOs. You know, like I think, if you are perceived as the part of the vilified, you know CEOs, the almost back to Occupy Wall Street kind of things, if you\u0026#39;re a CEO of a company that\u0026#39;s viewed as the oppressor, like those insurance things, but I don\u0026#39;t know if that\u0026#39;s true for the CEOs of NVIDIA and OpenAI and Tesla, and you know what I mean. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think, if you\u0026#39;re yeah, I wonder, but we\u0026#39;ll see, but we\u0026#39;ll see, we\u0026#39;ll see. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, are you the people\u0026#39;s CEO? You know, I think. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean my yeah. Somebody once asked me about this, you know. They said how well known would you like to be? And I said just be below the line where I would have to have security. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, yeah, if you look at it, can you think of anybody? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I wander around Toronto on my own. I go here and I go there and everything else, and nobody knows who I am. That\u0026#39;s my security. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Nobody knows who I am yeah, but you wonder, like you know, if you look at the level of fame of you know you? You\u0026#39;ve mentioned before the difference between Warren Buffett and Mark Zuckerberg. Warren Buffett is certainly very famous, but nobody\u0026#39;s mad at him. I guess that\u0026#39;s part of the thing. He\u0026#39;s very wise, or viewed as wise. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e He\u0026#39;s usefully wise. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Investing according to his benchmarks and his strategies has proved very valuable to a great number of people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Agreed. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Plus, he\u0026#39;s got a fairly simple, understandable lifestyle. He still lives in the house he\u0026#39;s lived in for the last 40 years, still drives a pickup truck and his you know the entrance to his home is filled with boxes of Diet Coke. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Cherry. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Coke Cherry Coke, cherry Coke. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Cherry Coke, not Diet Coke. No, I\u0026#39;m not. That\u0026#39;s a subject, I\u0026#39;m not an expert in Cherry Coke. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Cherry Coke, not Diet Coke. That\u0026#39;s a subject I\u0026#39;m not an expert in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s the funniest thing. Right, that\u0026#39;s one of my top two. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Warren Buffett, you have merit badges in that area. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. But I think culture, you know, I don\u0026#39;t know, I\u0026#39;m trying, it\u0026#39;s a slippery beast, this thing culture you know, it\u0026#39;s a slippery, slippery beast and you know there\u0026#39;s I think that\u0026#39;s part of the thing, though it\u0026#39;s like the zeitgeist you know is, I think, having an awareness zeitgeist gosh, you just had to slip in a german word, didn\u0026#39;t you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e you just had to get a german word, yeah I\u0026#39;ve been sort of fixated on schadenfreude for the last month. I\u0026#39;ve just been why I\u0026#39;ve just been watching the democrats respond to the election and I\u0026#39;m fully schadenfreude. I\u0026#39;ve been fully schadenfreid for the last month. But zeitgeist, the spirit, I think that translates into the spirit of the times. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, that\u0026#39;s exactly what it is. That\u0026#39;s what I meant by. That\u0026#39;s what I meant by. I\u0026#39;m very like, I think I\u0026#39;m at the tippy top of the you know percentiles of people who are tuned into the zeitgeist, I think that\u0026#39;s. I would be self-reportedly that, but yeah, and I don\u0026#39;t know, but at the cost of there\u0026#39;s a lot of useless stuff that gets in there as well, you know, and negative, and you\u0026#39;re faced with all of it. So, my, my filter, I\u0026#39;m taking in all the sewer water kind of thing and having to filter it through rather than just, you know, pre-filtering, only drinking filtered water. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You\u0026#39;re getting rid of the fluoride drinking filtered water. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You\u0026#39;re getting rid of the fluoride. Yeah, exactly, winter haven. Florida, by the way, is one of the first in the country to be getting rid of fluoride on the oh no, this will happen really quick. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah, it was just that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I, I just said I just saw that winter haven was like one of the first movers you, you know, polk County Florida is removing and, by the way, polk County Florida is now fastest growing county in the country. So then, so there you know, 30 something, 30,000 something people that we grew by, yeah, so, new. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You\u0026#39;re to date right, you\u0026#39;re to date Over the last 12 months, over the last 12 months. I guess that\u0026#39;s how they measure it yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So my thought, dan, was that I was looking to. You know, like my tune in to the zeitgeist is on a daily, real-time basis, I\u0026#39;m getting the full feed, right. No, no filters. Yeah, what I was thinking. What I was wondering about was if I were to change the cadence of it to more sort of filtered content, like I would say what you do, your, you\u0026#39;ve chosen a filter called real clear politics. Right, that\u0026#39;s your, that\u0026#39;s your filter, and you probably have five or six other filters that are your lens through yeah, it would be the go-to every day. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know I start the morning and. I go on my computer, I go to the RealClear site. \u003cbr\u003e\nSo it\u0026#39;s. \u003cbr\u003e\nRealClear comes up as RealClear politics, but then they have about eight other RealClear channels. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eRealClear politics, RealClear markets, RealClear world. Realclear defense, energy, health science, you know, and everything like that. But the beauty of it is that they\u0026#39;re aggregators of other people\u0026#39;s output. So you know everybody\u0026#39;s competing to get their articles on real clear. You know the New York Times competes to try to get. You know, get every day maybe one or two of its headlines, supposedly for most of my life. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe most important newspaper in the world and they have to compete every day to get something of theirs onto the real clear platform. And it seems very balanced to me, right to left from politics. You know, politically, if I look at 20 headlines, I would say that five of them are real total right, five of them are total left and there\u0026#39;s a lot of middle. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere\u0026#39;s a lot of middle about things like that, you know about things like that, you know, and then I\u0026#39;ll punch on them, and then that takes me right to the publication or the site that produced the headline, and then I might see three or four things and I discover new ones. I discover new ones all the time. And it\u0026#39;s good and there\u0026#39;s a lot of filtering that\u0026#39;s being done, but I do. They\u0026#39;re not interpreting these articles. They\u0026#39;re just giving you the article. You can read the article and make up your own mind about it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNow they do some editing in some cases because they interpret the headlines and they have a sidebar where there\u0026#39;s topical areas where it\u0026#39;s clear to me that real clear has created the headline. That\u0026#39;s not the originating. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know the originating source of the article that\u0026#39;s kind of like that\u0026#39;s the drudge playbook, right yeah? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I used to like drudge but he went wacky. He went wacky so I didn\u0026#39;t read him anymore. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e These guys are pretty cool. They\u0026#39;re pretty cool. They\u0026#39;ve been going now for a dozen years anyway, as I\u0026#39;ve been aware, and they seem really cool. You know they carry advertising. That\u0026#39;s not if I\u0026#39;m thinking of horses. I don\u0026#39;t get horse ads, you know. 10 minutes later you\u0026#39;re done. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Something like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But they do have their advertising model, but I don\u0026#39;t, you know, I\u0026#39;m not interested in buying anything, so it doesn\u0026#39;t really affect me, but that\u0026#39;s really great. You know what\u0026#39;s really interesting. Peter Zion, you know I\u0026#39;m a big fan of his. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd he\u0026#39;s got a blog and he came out about a month ago saying I\u0026#39;m going to put in a new approach and that is, you\u0026#39;ll always get your free blog and video to go along with it. So it\u0026#39;s written and then it\u0026#39;s also got the video, but it will be a week later than when I put it on, and if you want it right away, it\u0026#39;ll cost you this much. And I\u0026#39;m giving all that money to some cause. Okay, so I\u0026#39;m fundraising for some cause and I just went a week with no Peter Zine and then I started getting it every day and it makes no difference to me whether I got it last week or this week, okay, and so I just waited a week and I\u0026#39;m right up to date again as far as I\u0026#39;m concerned. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Like when Syria fell. You know, the Syrian government collapsed last week and he had nothing on it until seven days later. I want to go over, but he\u0026#39;s adjusting his format now. He says I\u0026#39;m going to give you four stages to what\u0026#39;s actually happening. So you know, he\u0026#39;s experimented with something and he\u0026#39;s finding that he has to adjust his presentation a little bit just for people saying you know? You know, I\u0026#39;m going to tell you over a three-day period what happened. This happened on the first day, this happened on the second day, third day and this is where we are on the fourth day, and everything else and that\u0026#39;s good. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI like that. Everything else you know and everything, but that\u0026#39;s part of the culture. You know it\u0026#39;s part of the culture. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. So my thought like my sense of culture. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e it\u0026#39;s what culture is. Whatever\u0026#39;s happening right now that you\u0026#39;re interested in, yeah, it seems to show some interesting movement. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think you\u0026#39;re, I think you\u0026#39;re right. I mean, my thought was of experimenting, was to go to more of a rather than a minute by minute, always on direct feed to the zeitgeist is going through a daily. You know, I had a really interesting two days at strategic coach in Toronto just a couple of weeks ago, when you know I was. I referred to it, as you know, workshopping like it was 1989 with my phone. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You were practicing, practicing abstinence. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I was, and what I learned in that was, and I did it two days in a row with zero contact with the outside world, from nine o\u0026#39;clock to five o\u0026#39;clock when the workshops were going on, no checking in at the breaks or at lunch or, you know, no notifications. You know dinging while I\u0026#39;m in the workshops. It was certainly anchoring, you know, presence to me in the in the workshops, but also noticed that nothing really happened. You know like I didn\u0026#39;t miss anything in that five, in that nine to five period. You know I got a bunch of emails over the day but there were maybe two or three that were like for me or of any real interest or necessity for me. You know I have two inboxes. I have a, you know, my, my dean at dean jackson. My main mailbox is monitored by, you know, people, stakeholders in the, you know, because sometimes an email will come in and if it has something to do with our realtor division, diane is in there and sees that and can respond, or Lillian is able to respond. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut then I also have my own, a private email just for me, that I give to my friends, and whenever you email me, that\u0026#39;s the email that you use and those ones are not. Those aren\u0026#39;t seen by anybody but me. But there\u0026#39;s even far fewer of those that come through than come into the main one. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it\u0026#39;s an interesting experiment that you\u0026#39;re doing here, because it seems to me that one is the world is changing all the time. As far as news is concerned, the world is. I guess that\u0026#39;s what news means. You know that things are changing, but if you don\u0026#39;t pay attention to it over a long period of time and you don\u0026#39;t feel inconvenienced, by it then, probably, it wasn\u0026#39;t important probably it wasn\u0026#39;t important, yeah, you know, and like I\u0026#39;m in six and a half years now with no television you know right and and you know, I\u0026#39;ve gone through two, two full presidential elections without watching television and yet I don\u0026#39;t feel that I\u0026#39;ve missed anything important by not watching television Because I have real clear politics and I have a computer and I get videos. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI can go to YouTube. And if somebody\u0026#39;s giving a talk somewhere I can watch, where on television you would never get the whole speech. You know you would be broken up with commercials and everything like that. And then you have some commentators telling you what you were supposed to think about that, which I don\u0026#39;t really require that I\u0026#39;m perfectly able to understand what I\u0026#39;m thinking about it and everything like that. So I don\u0026#39;t know, I don\u0026#39;t know. Well, my thought experiment. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know what you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e should do is say what kind of cultural information is sugar and what kind of cultural information is protein, I get it, and so that\u0026#39;s kind of where I was thinking. To me that\u0026#39;s where you\u0026#39;re going. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m thinking about slowing down the cadence so, and to have a daily, like you know, something like real clear and you know there\u0026#39;s thinking about where that is filtered sort of thing for me, thinking about where that is filtered sort of thing for me. And then weekly, you know, like I think, if I just looked at, if I went to print as a thing, if I were to say, you know, time Magazine, newsweek, the Inc Magazine, people Magazine, like I think, if there were some things that I could and the Weekend Wall Street Journal, I think with those you could, that would be kind of a really good. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI don\u0026#39;t think I would miss out. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m really big on the Weekend Wall Street Journal, I think that\u0026#39;s a great print. That\u0026#39;s a great print medium. I literally haven\u0026#39;t read Time magazine. I don\u0026#39;t know, maybe 20 years or, but it seems like they\u0026#39;re probably on top of what\u0026#39;s even if it\u0026#39;s slanted, you\u0026#39;re going to get a sense of what the core thing is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s actually right. Yeah, I know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e A lot of Democrats canceled their subscription over the last three or four days because Trump person of the year. Yeah exactly. See, now, that\u0026#39;s an interesting piece of information, yeah yeah, what they wrote about him I don\u0026#39;t find interesting, but the fact that certain readers they must have made him look good, you know, for that sort of cancellation, you know you know it\u0026#39;s like this is being categorized as the kiss the ring phase. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s what abc there was being characterized. That time magazine kissed the ring by making him person of the year abc. You know, kissing the ring, giving him 15 million dollars, and well, they didn\u0026#39;t $15 million. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, they didn\u0026#39;t give him $15 million, they were required to give him $15 million yeah exactly, and George Stephanopoulos has to apologize publicly for defaming him as he should. As he should, yeah, for defaming him, you know, as he should, as he should. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So Trump\u0026#39;s got to have at least one court case. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Trump\u0026#39;s got to have at least one court case going in his favor. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But I look at that as you know, that\u0026#39;s a really. I think that would be a really useful thing. Would certainly get me back three or four hours a day of yeah you know, of screen time. It would give me more dean time to use, because it would certainly condense a lot of that but you have some interesting models that are, I would say, are cultural models. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I would say more cheese, less whiskers is a cultural model. I mean, if you have it as a thought form, you can see, you can simplify happenings around you. You know, that seems a little bit too much whiskers, exactly, too much whiskers. Yeah, that seems like a fine new cheese. Yeah, that seems like a fine new cheese. For example, taylor Swift gave $100 million in bonuses to everybody who helped her on her tour. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t know if you saw that. It\u0026#39;s crazy $200 million. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The truck drivers, the ones who got $100,000. They got $100,000. And her father delivered the checks. That seems like a really. That\u0026#39;s like a fondue, that\u0026#39;s not just cheese. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That is only the finest cheese fondue. Yes, exactly, that\u0026#39;s so funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e when they hit it big, they\u0026#39;re real jerks and they\u0026#39;re real pricks and she\u0026#39;s not. She\u0026#39;s showing gratitude. That\u0026#39;s very much a cheese. That was a very cheesy thing for her to do. In your model, that\u0026#39;s a very cheesy thing for her to do. Yeah, in your model, that\u0026#39;s a very cheesy thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I look at you know another thing that\u0026#39;s happening is I don\u0026#39;t know whether you\u0026#39;ve followed or seen what Deion Sanders has done with Colorado football over the last two seasons, but he basically went from the basement of 1-11 team the worst team in college football to the Alamo Bowl in two seasons and Travis Hunter just won the Heisman Trophy and he could quite possibly have the top two draft picks. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e His son didn\u0026#39;t win the Heisman Trophy Hunter. Oh, you\u0026#39;re saying Travis Hunter? I? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e was saying Travis Hunter. He could possibly have the top two picks in the NFL draft between Jadot and Travis Hunter and it\u0026#39;s just, I mean, it fits in so perfectly with my you know, 100 week, you know timeframe there. That that\u0026#39;s, I think, the optimal. I think you can have a really big impact in a hundred weeks on anything but to go from the basement to the bowl game is like it\u0026#39;s a really good case study. But that really is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, I often I think there\u0026#39;s so many things that play like a crystal clear vision of what he was trying to accomplish In his mind. There\u0026#39;s no other path than them being the greatest football team, the greatest college football team in the country. That\u0026#39;s really it. Building an empire. That\u0026#39;s certainly where he\u0026#39;s headed and his belief, that\u0026#39;s the only outcome. You know it\u0026#39;s so. I was. I read a book and, by the way, I\u0026#39;ll have an aside on this, but I read a book years ago called Overachievement and it was a book by a sports psychologist at Rice University and his assessment of overachievers people who have achieved outsized results. One of his observations is that, without fail, they all have what he characterizes as unreasonable confidence or irrational. That\u0026#39;s irrational confidence. That\u0026#39;s what it is, and I thought to myself like that\u0026#39;s a pretty interesting word pairing, because who\u0026#39;s to say how much confidence is rational, you know, yeah, it\u0026#39;s kind of it\u0026#39;s it\u0026#39;s and first of all, I. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t think the two words even have anything to do with each other I don\u0026#39;t either. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s why I thought it was so remarkable. You know, I think irrational confidence I mean, yeah, spoken by. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e spoken by someone who I thought it was so remarkable, irrational confidence. I mean spoken by someone who probably has very little. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e0:46:50 - \u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI mean interesting right Like people look at that, but I thought I\u0026#39;ve overlaid it with your four C\u0026#39;s right Is that commitment leads to courage? Yeah, that commitment leads to courage First of all. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it can be grown. I\u0026#39;m a great believer that commitment can be grown, courage can be grown, capability can be grown, confidence can be grown. It\u0026#39;s a cycle. It\u0026#39;s a growth cycle. It\u0026#39;s like ambition. It\u0026#39;s like ambition. I\u0026#39;m much more ambitious today than I was 30 years ago way more ambitious and 30 years ago I was 50. That\u0026#39;s when most people are kind of are peaking out on ambition when they\u0026#39;re 50. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean I was in the valley 50 years ago, compared to where I am now, but I\u0026#39;ve always treated ambition as something that you can grow, and my particular approach is that the more you can tap into other people\u0026#39;s capabilities for your projects, the more your ambition can grow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s an interesting thing. Irrational confidence. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and I thought that you know, so it\u0026#39;s pretty interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e There must be a scale somewhere, you know, get on the scale, please. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rational, oh, he\u0026#39;s above. Rational, above irrational, oh, that\u0026#39;s totally irrational confidence. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e yes, he\u0026#39;s just setting himself up for disappointment. That\u0026#39;s like I think\u0026#39;re in the confidence of living to 156. That\u0026#39;s irrational. Yeah, it is till I fail, exactly. Yeah, but that\u0026#39;s okay, it\u0026#39;s not going to make any difference to you. I always love your live, live, live pattern. It\u0026#39;s not going to affect you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Live live, live, go on. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I saw somebody doing an illustration, Dan, of how long it takes for the world to adapt to you not being here, and the gentleman had his finger in a glass of water and he pulled it out. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Watch, yeah, watch, how long the hole lasts. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s the truth, you know, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t know if you got a hold of that book. Same as Ever, the Morgan Household book. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I did. I\u0026#39;ve read it and it\u0026#39;s fantastic. It\u0026#39;s good, isn\u0026#39;t it? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt really is it kind of calms you down. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know it kind of calms you down. You know I told Joe Polish I said you know how to get that guy as a speaker. I think he\u0026#39;s great and anyway, you know he said he makes he has that one great little chapter on evolution. How long it takes, you know, like evolution, three or four million years, and he says stuff that you know is lasting over a long period of time you know is really worth paying attention to, really worth paying attention to. You know that and I find one of the things that you know at my advancing age at my advancing age is that I can see now things that were are equally true today as they were 50 years ago yeah, I see that too. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Absolutely see that too. Absolutely, see that through. I\u0026#39;m on the cusp right now. Like you know, we\u0026#39;re coming into 2025. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd so this is the first time I started thinking about 25 years ahead was in 1999. That 25 year timeframe, you know, and certainly when I made those, you know five or three stock in. You know investment decisions. But looking back now, you know there were clues as to what is what was what was coming. But there are certainly a lot of through line to it too. You know, like I think, what I did choose was you know it\u0026#39;s still Warren Buffett, it\u0026#39;s still Berkshire was a great as a 10 times or more stock over 25 years. Starbucks and Procter and Gamble they\u0026#39;re equally. Those were durable choices. But you know what was what I could have, what was there? Looking back now, the evidence was there already that Amazon and Google and Apple would have been rocket ships. You know guessing and betting, dan. It\u0026#39;s like guessing and betting with certainty. Or you know where you think, like I think, if we look and maybe next week we can have a conversation about this the guessing and betting for the next 25 years, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think he Warren Buffett. He said that Gillette, I like Gillette. He said I think men are going to still be shaving 25 years from now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s what he said. That was. What was so impactful to me is that he says I can\u0026#39;t tell which technology is going to win, even five years from now, but I know that men are going to go to bed and they\u0026#39;re going to wake up with whiskers. Some of them are going to want to shave them off. King Gillette is going to be there, like he has been since 1850. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And it\u0026#39;s like railroads, he\u0026#39;s very heavy into railroads. We\u0026#39;re going to be moving things. People are still going to be moving things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I had a really good friend. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Trains will still really be a good way to move things from one place to another. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Isn\u0026#39;t that funny. I had a good friend in high school. His big insight was he wanted to start a pallet company because no matter which direction things go, you\u0026#39;re still going to need to stack them on a pallet and move them. Put my mom there. So funny which direction things go, you\u0026#39;re still going to need to stack them on a pallet and move them, put them around there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e you know so funny that pallet. They\u0026#39;re really good. Yeah, I love it All right. All right, we\u0026#39;re deep into the culture, we\u0026#39;re into. It\u0026#39;s an interesting word. It\u0026#39;s an interesting word but anytime you talk to somebody about it, they have very specific examples that are their take on culture. And you talk to someone else and maybe culture is everybody\u0026#39;s views on culture. Maybe that\u0026#39;s what the culture is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Maybe, maybe, all righty. Okay, have a great day. I\u0026#39;ll talk to you next week. Bye, bye. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, have a great day. I\u0026#39;ll talk to you next week, okay, bye, bye, okay Bye. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"Today on Welcome to Cloudlandia, We start with the mysterious drone sightings over New Jersey, exploring the thin line between conspiracy and curiosity. These nocturnal aerial visitors become a metaphor for our complex modern world, where information and imagination intersect.\r\n\r\nWe then investigate the profound impact of cultural icons like Mr. Beast and Kylie Jenner, examining how influence transcends traditional expertise. Our discussion reveals how public figures navigate changing landscapes of leadership and visibility, offering insights into the evolving dynamics of success and social capital.\r\n\r\nThe episode concludes by challenging our approach to information consumption. Drawing from personal experiments and wisdom from thought leaders like Warren Buffett, we explore strategies for staying informed in a noisy digital ecosystem. \r\n\r\nOur conversation provides practical perspectives on navigating media, understanding cultural shifts, and maintaining perspective amid constant information flow.","date_published":"2025-01-29T08:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/d933b6d4-bcd5-4ec6-a85b-17efbb3262ba.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":51549914,"duration_in_seconds":3221}]},{"id":"e6bb9879-8980-4439-8435-f8e2eff0d1c3","title":"Ep142: From Childhood Snow to Cutting-Edge Networks  ","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/142","content_text":"In our latest episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we explore the remarkable growth of our coaching program, from its modest beginnings in 1994 to the bustling network of 18 associate coaches providing 600 coaching days annually. This evolution underscores the importance of adaptability and foresight as we hint at exciting expansion plans for 2026.\n\nBeyond the professional landscape, we delve into the nostalgic appeal of different climates and regional traditions. We compare the frigid allure of snowy winters with the sun-drenched charm of Florida and San Diego, offering a cozy reflection on why people choose to embrace extreme weather.\n\nOur conversation then turns towards the intricate dance of leadership and organizational structures. We explore the shift from rigid hierarchies to fluid, networked systems, imagining the profound changes in productivity that have paved the way for today's entrepreneurial landscape. From the global dominance of the US dollar to the speculative world of cryptocurrency, our discussion unveils the strategic significance of these economic elements, adding a light-hearted twist to our take on Canadian healthcare services.\n\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\n\n  We discussed the remarkable evolution of our coaching program, starting from 1994 with 144 workshops conducted solely by me, to a network of 18 associate coaches delivering 600 coaching days annually.\n    Dean shares his experiences from the icy north and reflected on the gradual adaptation to warmer climates, providing insights into the unique economic opportunities that arise from natural challenges.\n    We explored the nostalgic memories of childhood winters, contrasting them with the warm climates of Florida and San Diego, and discussed the cultural differences in regional terminology.\n    The episode delved into the shift from rigid hierarchical structures to more fluid, networked systems, highlighting the transformative impact of technology on productivity and organizational dynamics.\n    We imagined the productivity revolution that could have occurred if a writer in the 1970s had access to a modern MacBook, pondering the implications for decision-making and strategic planning.\n    The conversation touched on the global dominance of the US dollar as the world's reserve currency, and the minimal impact of foreign trade on the US economy compared to other export-driven nations.\n    We questioned the viability of Bitcoin as a true currency due to its lack of fungibility compared to the US dollar, and discussed gold's role as a hedge against currency inflation.\n    The episode highlighted the Canadian dollar's strategic role as a financial hedge, particularly in relation to tax burdens and global business ventures.\n    We examined the concept of \"sunk cost payoffs,\" encouraging reflections on optimizing investments in fixed costs to achieve greater returns through training and education.\n    The episode concluded with a light-hearted discussion on Canadian healthcare services, and the humorous notion of using Chicago as a secondary tier for healthcare needs.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean: Mr Sullivan, mr Jackson, fresh from the frigid north, oh my goodness. \n\nDan: Dan I you know. Yeah, I'm just happy to be back. It's sunny and warming. I'm going to say it's warm yet because it was only got up to like 6.3 or something yesterday, but it's warming up and it's warmer than it was. I did escape, without defaulting, my snow free millennium. I didn't get a cold this time, that's true. And I didn't get any snow on me, so that's good yeah. \n\nDean: Well, we're actually in Chicago today and it's 49. Oh my goodness, wow, we're actually in Chicago today and that's 49. Oh my goodness, wow, it's deciding to see if it can upset Orlando, the area, a last valiant attempt before the total freeze sets in. \n\nDan: Yeah, exactly. \n\nDean: Exactly. \n\nDan: Well, Dan, what a great couple of workshops we had this week. They were really I know about one of them, I know about one. \n\nDean: That's actually a good thing to say. You know when you're developing a company. \n\nDan: Absolutely yeah. \n\nDean: I was telling people that in 1994, fifth year of the program, I did 144 workshop days that year and the reason being I was the only coach. So then in 95, we started adding associate coaches and we're up to 18 now. We just had our 18th one come on board. Come on board and this year the total coaching team will do 600 coaching days compared to 144 back in 1994 and I will do 12 of them. \n\nDan: I was just gonna say yeah, 12. You got three groups times four, right yeah? Yeah yeah, that's great the connector. \n\nDean: the connector calls which I, which I, which I absolutely love. I just think those two hour coaching calls are superb. \n\nDan: I do too. Two hour zoom. Two hour zoom calls are the perfect. That's the perfect length. Anything more is too much. \n\nDean: Yeah, so if you add those up, that would be using eight hours as a workshop day that would be 16 more days of coaching in a year, but that's significantly fewer than my 144. The problem with the 144, you didn't have much energy for creating new stuff, right? \n\nDan: Yeah, and you were. Yeah, I guess that's true, right, and some of it you were having to. The good news about the position you're in right now is you really only do the same workshop three times, right, Like you do a quarterly workshop, but even that by the third time you've learned. \n\nDean: Well they actually change. I mean they're probably 90%. In other words, number two is 90%, brings forward 90% of number one, and number three brings forward Because you've economized. You know I can do this quicker, I can do this. You add some new things, you get some new ideas. \n\nDan: And you see what land is right, how things land. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah. By the time you get to number three, you've probably in my case, I've certainly created some new material. That just came out of the conversations. It's a nice. It's a nice setup that I have right now yeah, I love that in these. \n\nDan: You know you're already, you're booked out for 2025. \n\nDean: As am I. \n\nDan: This is a great. This is the first year going in that I'm kind of embracing the scaffolding. We'll call it. \n\nDean: My sense by 26, we'll have a fourth. We'll have a fourth quarterly workshop. Just because of the growth of the membership, but what that is more, choice for the participants during any quarter. They'll have four opportunities Anyway. \n\nDan: I'm really enjoying being back in Toronto. That's such a great and our group is growing. That's nice. It'll be the place to be before we know it. \n\nDean: It will be. There will be a certain cachet that you have that you know. I don't know how we'll signify this, but do it at the mothership. I do the program at the mothership. \n\nDan: I do the program. Oh, that's the best, yeah, yeah. That's so funny I've gotten. I've got the Hazleton is fast turning into the official hotel too, which is great. I've got Chad hooked over there and Chris does there, so that's good, we get the whole so is she thinking about coming into PreZone? We're working on her for sure. I think that would be fantastic, yeah, and same Norman's coming back in March, so that's great, oh, good. \n\nDean: He'll be in Toronto. Is he doing anything new besides the multitude of things he was doing before? \n\nDan: Well, you know, he sold his main business, so he is now, you know, a new chapter. \n\nDean: But he still didn't sell the ambition. \n\nDan: The ambition didn't go with the sale. \n\nDean: Yeah, the waste management company. \n\nDan: That's right, that's right Right. Yeah. \n\nDean: And I remember him coming. I forget when it was but they had just had a hurricane that especially affected the Carolinas. \n\nDan: South. \n\nDean: Carolina and he came in for a party, you know, for before free zone, and I said how are you doing, norm? And he says well, you know, I don't. I can't talk about this everywhere, but I certainly do enjoy a hurricane every once in a while, because he's in the waste management. \n\nDan: Right, exactly, and also in the plywood business, also in the plywood business. \n\nDean: Yeah, both before and after both before the hurricane and after the hurricane people buy plywood. Yeah, both before and after the hurricane and after the hurricane, people buy plywood, so yeah. \n\nDan: You know that's an interesting thing. \n\nDean: I'm reminded of what I'm going to tell you because I grew up in Ohio. And Ohio is two very distinct states. There's the north and the south, and I grew up way up in the north, in the middle of. \n\nDan: Ohio. \n\nDean: But we always considered the people who were down by the Ohio River, part of the Confederacy. You know, I don't know if they put in great new flood controls, since I was growing up in the 50s down there, but every, you know, every couple of years there was just a massive the Ohio River, which is a mighty river. Couple of years there was just a massive. \n\nDan: Ohio River, which is a mighty river. \n\nDean: I mean it's one of the major rivers and it's one of the, you know, flows into the Mississippi. It goes all the way from. \n\nPittsburgh. It goes all the way from Pittsburgh to the Mississippi. That's covering a whole number of states. But you know there are people who would live there. They get completely washed out, they'd rebuild and then three or four years later they'd get washed out and they'd rebuild and everything like that. And I often wondered what the thinking process is around that You're in a disaster zone and you keep, you keep rebuilding in the disaster zone. \n\nIs it short memory or I think that's probably true or you just like the opportunity to build again yeah, it's built back better. \n\nDan: Yeah, the whole yeah yeah, I think it is true. \n\nDean: Right like people but a lot of people say I wouldn't do that, you know I wouldn't live there where they do. But I'm not saying people are stupid about this, I'm just saying I'm just I'm not comprehending. But I live in a place that gets frigid every year and people say I couldn't understand how you would continue living in a place. So what do you think it is? How? \n\nDan: you would continue living in a place. So what do you think it is? Well, I have been struggling with that question since I was a little child. I remember we grew up in Halton Hills and I remember my father's family is from Florida and my dad worked with Air Canada, so we used to fly, we used to come to Florida quite a bit over the winter. \n\nDean: And. \n\nDan: I remember, just I remember, like it was yesterday, the time when I realized I must've been, like, you know, four or five years old when I realized I had the experience of being out playing in the yard in the morning with my snowsuit on, and then we got on a plane and went to Florida and in the afternoon I was swimming in the pool and that just like baffled my brain, like why don't we just live here? \n\nWhy doesn't, why doesn't everybody live here? Yeah, and my parents are explaining that it's summer all year, you know, and I'm like I couldn't understand and so in my mind that was kind of like before I knew about, you know, I learned about immigration and you know two different countries and the people can't just live, even though I'm a dual citizen, that's why most people don't. And in my mind I still remember that to me didn't explain why would people live in Buffalo? That was an option. If you're in the United States, you can live anywhere you want. Why would somebody choose Buffalo over Florida? I don't get it, I don't know. And this is all pre-cloudlandia you know where now it's like we're really seeing this. \n\nThe relevance you know less and less. \n\nDean: Yeah, what? What you're telling me is that, when you were the age that you described, florida had a great deal of meaning, and Canada didn't, toronto didn't, it didn't have a great meaning, and so for me, for example, I just loved winter. \n\nYou know I grew up loving winter, you know, and I used to go. I mean, you know, I was fields and forests and the woods were just magical when it snowed, you know, and you'd go. It was an entirely different world. I mean, they were four times a year, they were different woods because each of the seasons, the trees and the, you know, the trees and the terrain are really radically different, and so so that's why I like it and you know, I've been to San Diego, you know, and San Diego is just about the most temperate, certainly in the United States it's the most temperate place. \n\nIt's 72, and I said, God, I couldn't stand living here. \n\nDan: Oh man. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, I know Mike, mike loves it. Yeah, and I can understand and I can understand why I mean I like it when I'm there. Yeah, I said you mean. You mean next week, when the next season comes, it's going to be exactly the same. And then the second, third season is exactly. \n\nDan: You know it's not all sunshine and rainbows. They have june gloom. That's the uh, that's the weather that comes in. \n\nDean: Every morning in june you get this fog, marine layer fog that comes in and see, I would find that really interesting yeah like I, I would find the fascinating fog you know I would, that's it yeah, yeah so yeah, I don't know it's really interesting, but it depends. Uh, there was just such meaning for me in those early childhood winters, you know yeah, and sometimes you know, and then, yeah, you could imagine you were an arctic. You know you could. Also, you know you had the tobogganing and sledding and tobogganing and our neighbors had horses with a sleigh. You know and everything Do you know what's so funny. \n\nSee the thing I can remember, you know. I certainly know that Santa's dressed for winter, santa's not dressed for Florida. \n\nDan: Right. \n\nDean: Well he's just not dressed for Florida, that's true. I mean he must get hardship pay going to Florida. \n\nDan: Got to take off that top layer. He's got to get his shorts on underneath all of that. Yeah, so funny. You know I heard you brought up toboggan and you know Chad Jenkins. I heard for the first time he referred to his toque as a toboggan and I had never heard that before. \n\nDean: Yeah, of course. It was a stocking cap. I mean everybody knows, everybody knows it's a stocking cap. You know, yeah, I never heard that word. I never heard that word. I thought it was sort of some sort of elitist word. You know, you get that after you get graduate degree a stocking cap becomes a two person. \n\nDan: No, we never called it. That's the Canadian term for it everybody forget about that. Your childhood was in Ohio. But a stocking cap a beanie as they say so funny a beanie is something else. \n\nDean: a beanie is just, it's like a yarmulke for the Jewish people, but it sort of resembles that. Yeah, anyway, these are deep subjects that we're talking about. \n\nDan: What was your big? Chad and I were talking about the workshop days and you had mentioned it's one of the best workshops that you had in memory. I would love to hear what you're. Yeah, certainly. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah. What I remember about best workshops is that generally the afternoon previous best workshops were by lunchtime. You were setting up for the real punchline in the afternoon, but this one by lunchtime you were setting up for the. You know the real punchline in the afternoon but this one by lunchtime. It had been a great workshop up until that time, and almost like it had two complete shows. \n\nThere were like two complete shows when we, when we did yeah, you know, I mean it's a qualitative thing you just, you know I don't have a scoring system for saying it, but you just have a feel, feel for it and everybody was, everybody was totally engaged, yeah, pretty quickly in the morning, yeah and yeah, but it was. I mean that thing about leadership. You know the I hadn't uh, pulled back that diagram, the pyramid and the network diagram. I hadn't pulled, I hadn't pulled back that diagram, the pyramid and the network diagram, I hadn't referred to that in about 25 years and I just brought it back. \n\nDan: And. \n\nDean: I didn't know I was going to use it until I actually walked in the room to start the workshop. I said I think there's something about this diagram that'll create a context and more and more as I've been thinking about it, you know what the greatest entrepreneurial resource is in the 2020s and that's probably what Trump brought in. Elon and Vivek, you know, for their doge, their doge department. Anyway is that the greatest source for entrepreneurial growth is the obsolescence of bureaucracy. \n\nDan: Yes, yes, what really? \n\nDean: struck me, big systems falling apart, big systems falling apart, that's the greatest resource for entrepreneurial growth. \n\nDan: The thing that struck me too is that the triangle, triangle, the pyramid method that you showed there, that the difference in the network thing is the absence of a border around stuff, you know, like I, that's. What really stood out for me was when, and maybe we should explain, can you verbally explain? \n\nDean: what your vision is. Yeah, this comes from a book. It was actually my first book. It was called the Great Crossover and I was starting to talk about this in presentations I was making. I think the first one was 19. 1987, I gave a talk on this and what I said is that growing up in the 40s and 50s it was entirely a big pyramid world big corporations, big government and big unions, and even you know well, I'll just stick to those three and it was because of industrialization that industrialization takes on a certain form. \n\nAnd then part of industrialization is the administration offices that go along with factories and what they are is that you know, when you have a big plant, a big factory, and it runs on the assembly line, in other words, things move from station to station and the people at each station just do a single task and then they pass it on to the next person. To have an administration that takes what the factory produces and gets it out into the world. \n\nthey also have to create an assembly line of information, and the reason why it becomes very stiff and static over time is just the sheer cost of amortizing the factory. I mean like a steel mill. You know a steel mill. You build a steam mill. \n\nIt takes you about 50 years in the early 20th century it took you about 50 years to pay back the cost of the steel mill, the amortized cost of it. Well, you had to get it right in the first place and you couldn't be fooling around with it. So everything was kind of fixed and that's why people could be hired, you know, at 18 years old, and they didn't really have to learn that much in the job they were doing. Once they got it down it was good for life. You know the steel workers. \n\nI mean they might have modernization somewhere along the line, but it was still fundamentally the same activity. So society kind of took over that and you had some big events. You had the huge growth of government administrations during the Great Depression when Roosevelt came in with the New Deal, and there was just these huge. They had never. And I was reading an article, theodore Rose, in the first decade of the 20th century the executive branch had about 60 employees. You know the presidency, you know Now it's I mean it's not the biggest but it's got thousands. The executive branch, you know just the White House plus the executive building next to it. It's got. You know it's got thousands of people in it. You know just the White House plus the executive building next to it. \n\nIt's got you know, it's got thousands of people in it, you know, and there's layer after, layer after layer. \n\nAnd. But they were really huge in the and then the Second World War. Everything got massively big, but they were all pyramidical. Everything was pyramidical. You know. You had a person on top and then maybe 10 layers down. General Motors in the private sector, it was the biggest. That was the end of the 50s, 1959. They had 21 layers of management, from the CEO right down to the factory floor. There wasn't much leadership. There was a very few people at the top leadership. The rest of it was just managing what the leaders wanted. So that's the setup for the you know story. \n\nAnd that persisted and things were. You know, there was great productivity from around 1920 to 19. And then starting around 1960, there was enormous cost. There was enormous, there was even enormous growth, but there wasn't much increase in productivity because they had basically maxed out what you could do with that kind of structure. And then, because of and the change maker is the introduction of the microchip, Right. Especially when it gets along to being a personal computer. \n\nDan: Yes, that's what I was. That really fits in with the you know, by the 1950 to 1975-ish that's what we're talking about. That was kind of the staple of the hierarchy system. And then you're right, that's where some of the you know the microchip at its greatest thing really was the beginning of being able to detach from physical location, like I remember, even you know where. This is part of the advantage that the microchip gave us. If you look at what were the things that were kind of the first mainstream you know beneficiaries of our ability to electronify things, that it was the answering machine that gave us freedom from having to be on the phone. It literally provided the first opportunity. Fact, check me on this. I mean just think I'm just making this up, but could that be the first time that we had the opportunity? \n\nDean: You're asking a two fact finder to fact check you. \n\nDan: Just gut, check me on this. Does that seem like a? \n\nDean: Oh, gut check. \n\nDan: Yeah, gut check, I forgot who I was talking to. \n\nDean: That's an entirely different animal. \n\nDan: Is that the first time? Like? The answering machine gave us the first opportunity to be in two places at once. We could be there to answer the phone and not miss anything, but we could also be away from the phone. The vcr gave us the chance to record something, to not miss it, so we could be somewhere else. The pager, the cell phone yeah, these things were all sort of our. \n\nDean: This was yeah, well, you're moving in a particular, you're moving in a particular direction. If you say where, what do all these things have in common? \n\nDan: you've just identified it. \n\nDean: You know that, yeah yeah, I was thinking. I remember the this would be in the 70s the selectric, the ibm selectric typewriter you know, was a real precursor of word processing, you know, because you could. \n\nFirst of all they weren't keys, it was just a ball that revolved. It was just a little ball that revolved, and you know. And so there was no jamming. I mean, there was no jamming. And of course it was electric, it was an electric typewriter. But the big thing is that you could get it right, you know, you could program it and then you just put in a sheet of paper and you press the button and it typed out the entire page and everything like that I remember, I remember that was that was that filled me with wonder right, you know when I said wow, that's really amazing. \n\nYou know, you know, as a writer, I sometimes I have this is the sort of fantasies that writers had. And I said, if I had been a copywriter back in the 1970s, but I had a Mac at home, I had my Macbook at home. \n\nDan: Oh, my goodness you were one of those. \n\nDean: Okay, and you know I do all the writing, you know I do all the writing on it, you know I do spell check and everything else, and then I would hire somebody to type it on a typewriter. \n\nDan: I don't know how I'd do it. \n\nDean: I would have it typed out, but with lots of mistakes, because a writer shouldn't have perfect typing and I'd look busy during the day, but the first thing in the morning I would just unload an enormous amount of stuff and I'd be so far ahead, but I'd never tell anybody about my Mac. Yeah, that's funny Now how my Mac would have been invented only for one person. I haven't really worked that out yet. \n\nDan: Oh boy, but that's you know, it's so. What struck me when you were doing it? \n\nDean: Yeah, somebody asked me a couple months ago, you know, it's so. What struck me when you were doing this is yeah, somebody asked me a couple of months ago you know the conversation if you had a superpower, what superpower would you want? And I said you know, I've given this a lot of thought, I've tried out a lot of possibilities, but the one that I think I could just stay with for the rest of my life is tomorrow. Tomorrow's Wall Street Journal yesterday. \n\nI could stay with that for the rest of my life is tomorrow's Wall Street Journal yesterday. \n\nDan: I could stay with that for the rest of my life. Oh, okay, that's even great. Tomorrow's yesterday, so you would get a full 24 hours with it 48. \n\nDean: 48 hours with it, you get a day in between for activity. Yeah, I'd probably move to Las las vegas oh, that's so funny. \n\nDan: Yeah, that would be a really good. That would be a really good one, that'd be a fun movie. Actually the prognosticator, the thing that struck me, dan, about the difference between the pyramid with the layers of people, the circles, the one person at the top, the two leaders, the managers, the supervisors in the workforce, was the boundary of the pyramid itself. Right Like prior to when that was brought up, the only efficient way to communicate to everybody was to have them all within the borders of the wall, the same. \n\nYeah everybody in the same place and what struck me when you drew the circles all just connected to everyone, without any borders. That's really. We're at the fullest level of that right now where there's never been a better time. Are the best at doing and be able to plug into you know a who, not how, network with vcr collaborations. \n\nDean: I mean, that's really the a great, a great example of that is the um connector call we had on. We had a friday, I had a connector call and I tested out a new tool which is called sunk cost payoffs. You look at everything that you'll always be paying for, ok, so in our case, we have. You know, we'll have a. We have more than 100 team members. \n\nWe'll always be paying for more than 100 team members. More than 100 team members, and then all of our production costs for material and then our complete operations, because we're always going to be an in-person, you know, workshop company you know we're not going to be anything else and taxes and regulations, you know, and everything you have, and I said we're always going to be, we're always going to be paying for these, you know. \n\nSo the question of what are the top three and the you know, the, you know, I just picked. The top three are, you know, our team, including our coaches, absolutely. And then the creation of the thinking tools, and you know. So we have all that. \n\nAnd then I said, so that being the case, I'm just going to accept that I'm only going to pay. Now, what are the strategies for just multiplying the profitability that I get out of the things that I'm always paying for? And it was very interesting because a lot of people said you know, this has always bothered me. The sunk cost has always bothered me and I've often thought is there any way of getting rid? The sunk cost has always bothered me and I've often thought is there any way of getting rid of the sunk cost? But now I'm thinking maybe I'm not investing enough in my sunk costs. I'm not investing enough. \n\nDan: And. \n\nDean: I'm about 10% more spending away from getting a 10 times return. If I just put a little bit more emphasis here, getting a 10 times return, if I just put a little bit more emphasis here for example, training and education of staff, training and education of staff, it might cost you 10% more for your team members, you know, but you probably get a much bigger return than the 10% because it already exists. It already exists, you don't have to create it. \n\nAnyway, that's just a setup. So we were just one person said you know I should link up with Lior. Lior was on the call. He said I should link up with Lior and you know it was Alec Broadfoot actually. He said I should link up and we should do this and I said why don't you do a triple play? Who would be the third person? And everybody in the room said Chris Johnson. \n\nOh yeah right Like that, and it was immediately. There was a three-way. I think I'm suggesting what happened. There is exactly what you just said before. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: Is that there's no spatial restrictions on the new organization you just put together. It's just three capabilities and they're in Cloudlandia. \n\nDan: The reason why they can do it is that they're in Cloudlandia. Yeah, there's no borders and there's just the connections between the modules. That's really the capabilities. Yeah, well, it's the vision capability. \n\nDean: I'm going to go back to the pyramid network model that we started talking about, so you had to have you know enough leadership. \n\nYou had to have this huge structure. That was all management. There wasn't leadership from the bottom, there was leadership from the top. But in the network, if you think of three circles and they're connected, so they're connected, they're in a triple play. So you have the three circles, the connection, you have three circles and then you have the lines in between. The connector lines are the management, but what happens in the middle is the leadership. \n\nDan: That's a much. That's great, and the things can all go out like in three dimensions, and they can well. \n\nDean: not only that, but any one individual can have a multitude of threes. \n\nDan: Yes. Yeah that gets pretty exponential, pretty quick, yeah, yeah. \n\nDean: Anyway. \n\nDan: I was just on a Zoom with Eben Pagan and Salim Ismail and yeah, we were talking about this, you know, because Salim, of course, his Exponential Organizations book and framework is really that was certainly a playbook that fits with this, you know, or a expandable workforce, and it really is. The ideas are what's at the central, that's the vision. Right, that's the thing. The visionary is the, the can see the connections between, but there's never been, it's never been easier to, uh, to have all of these connections and that's what I really think like if you're able to look at what people's capabilities are. \n\nI did a zoom at uh for with his group about the VCR formula, the vision capability and reach and talked about the step one for everyone just recognizing and doing an assessment of their VCR assets and seeing what you have. Almost look at it as, like everybody, having playing cards, you know, like baseball cards with your stats on the back that show your the things you know, the things you can do and the people you can reach is a pretty, you know good framework for collaboration Chad, actually building a building a software kind of or an app tool around that, which is. \n\nI think that whole collaboration community, you know, is really what the future is. I just get excited about it because it allows you to be like in that world. You know, the you don't need to ever get slowed down by the inability to execute on capability. You know, because the you don't have to anymore, you can tap into any capability, which is kind of a great thing. It's like any capability with capacity is a great thing, and even if you have limited capacity, that's fixable as well. \n\nDean: It's really interesting because I was talking about the sunk cost payoffs. Our 120 team members is just such an incredible you know, incredible capability. \n\nAnd all of them are in their unique ability. Everybody goes through the complete unique ability identification and starting in. We started already, but 2025 will be the first year where, four times a year, they all update their 4x4 for themselves. So you do it the first time with them. In other words, that you say this is where I want you to be alert, curious, responsive and resourceful, and this is I want you to produce results that are faster, easier, cheaper, bigger. If you choose, you can be a hero in these four areas and, by the way, these are four ways that you can drive me crazy. If you really want to drive me crazy, just do any of these and you probably won't have to update your 4x4 next quarter because you'll be somewhere else. \n\nOkay, always give them a choice, always give them a choice you can do this or you can do this and anyway, but that's going to produce massive results over the in 2025, I could just feel it. \n\nAnd I have a team, a loose team, just 16 members that I just hang out with in the company and we're doing it every quarter and you can just see the excitement as they go forward. I'm just writing the book right now with Jeff, so we're in our first edition, the first draft of casting, that hiring, but it's really interesting. And then the weird thing is that we're always going to be having increasingly the majority of our dollars being American dollars and more and more of our expenses in Canadian dollars. \n\nAnd that just multiplies, it's $1.41 this morning. That's great. Is that up or down? Oh, no, two months ago. \n\nDan: It's $1.41 this morning. \n\nDean: That's great. Is that up or down? Oh no, two months ago it was $1.34. \n\nDan: Oh my goodness. Okay, so it's getting better. \n\nDean: Well, it's like seven cents you know seven cents on every dollar and, being who Trump is and being who Trudeau is, I don't see the Canadian dollar getting any stronger. \n\nDan: Yeah, that's At least until next. \n\nDean: October, until next October. I mean, you know it's dangerous to be a charismatic person, okay, and because you know people's hearts just melted. He was the son of Pierre and he came along and he's this handsome. You know he's handsome, and you know, and he's you know, he's he knows, you know, he knows he's handsome and he's and everything like that. And they went along and he said such beautiful things but for nine years never did anything. \n\nYou know just he spent a lot of money and he hired a lot of government employees, but as far as actually increasing productivity, increasing profitability, nothing over nine years and uh, everybody's just made up. Everybody's just made up their mind about him and there's not and you it's really almost enjoyable watching him struggle that there's nothing that he used to be able to get away with he can get away with now and you can just see the strain on him. \n\nHe's still. You know he's still. He's very young looking, you know he's and, looking, and and and yeah, he hasn't. \n\nDan: He didn't really age like obama and cl Clinton and the others before him in the presidential role. You see the aging of the weight of being the president. \n\nDean: But he's kind of thrived. \n\nDan: When I was there last, it was you know he started timeless. He's got a lot of timeless. \n\nDean: He'll always be like 40. He'll always be like 35. You know he'll be, yeah, 40. He'll always be like 35. You know he'll be yeah, and you know and anyway interesting. And everybody's just sitting on their hands. You know the entire country is just sitting on their hands until you know the elections next October. It has to be next October. It could be sooner, but I don't think it will be, and you know, and he'll be out, I mean he'll be out. And he's lost five points of popularity since Trump got elected. Wow. \n\nDan: The thing they were. \n\nDean: You know, it's really obvious Trump is governing. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: I mean, he's not been inauguratedated yet, but it's like he's the leader everybody's already. \n\nDan: There were emergency meetings being held, or I saw that Trudeau was gathering all the premiers getting ready to address the possible tariffs. You know the response to the tariffs it's. You're right, everything's kind of everybody's. \n\nDean: Yeah, he was. Did you see the? I don't know if you saw any of the videos, but he went to the opening, the reopening of Notre Dame Cathedral, and I did not. Looks beautiful. \n\nDan: Have you seen any pictures oh? It's beautiful, no, I mean I never liked it. \n\nDean: I you know when I would go. I went there a couple of times it I never liked it. I went there a couple of times it was dark and dingy and everything else. It's spectacular. \n\nDan: It's spectacular. \n\nDean: But, everybody, all the leaders in Europe who were there like everybody was there from Africa, from the Middle East and everything, all the leaders and they were all running up and they were holding his hand, in two hands, you know smiling at him and they said don't tariff us, don't tariff us, let's be friends. Let's be friends. Let's be friends. Talk about. Talk about your vcr formula being the uS economy is a hell of a capability. \n\nDan: Holy cow. Yeah, I just saw Peter Zion was talking. I watched some of his videos and he was talking about why he doesn't worry about the United States geopolitically, you know, because we're miles away from anybody physically, we're in physical advantage away from anybody that would cause us or want us harmed. We are energy independent, we have the reserve currency. It's so much stuff. \n\nDean: Half the arable land in the world. \n\nDan: Yes, exactly Half of the ocean-going land in the world. \n\nDean: Yes, exactly Half of the ocean-going ports in the world. I don't know if you knew that, but the US. If you count all the river systems, the lake systems, the ocean coasts and everything they have, half of the navigable, the ocean-going port. If you leave this place, you can go to the ocean, the ocean going point If you leave this place, you can go to the ocean. They have you know plus the military, I mean the Navy. \n\nThe US Navy is seven times bigger and more powerful than all the other navies in the world combined. It's just enormous things, yeah, but it's the economy that really matters. It's the. You know it's that? Yeah. Did you see the one he did the? You know it's that. Yeah, did you see the one he did? Well, I don't think Peter Zion did one. He did one on why there won't be a replacement for the US currency. It's the reserve currency in the world, you know. \n\nDan: And he said. \n\nDean: first of all, it's so big the dollar is so big that America doesn't really even have to pay attention with what other people are doing with the dollars. As a matter of fact, there's more dollars in use around the world than there is far more dollars in use in around the world than there is in the US economy, which is the biggest economy. \n\nDan: But the. \n\nDean: US isn't a export economy. It's only about maybe up to 15% of the GDP has anything to do with foreign trade, import or export. It's about 15%. 85% is just Americans making stuff that other Americans are buying, and Canada is an export country. \n\nDan: I mean it's totally an export country. Mexico is an export country China. \n\nDean: Canada is an export country, I mean, it's totally an export country. Mexico is an export country. China is an extreme export country. \n\nDan: And yeah. \n\nDean: So anyway. \n\nDan: What do you think? I haven't heard Peter Zayn talk about Bitcoin or how that you know crypto. \n\nDean: I can't remember him ever saying anything. I've never seen it. \n\nDan: Because that was big news that it just passed a hundred thousand well, you know, there's only so many of them well, what? When did you? Uh, do you remember when you first heard about bitcoin? Was it prior to peter diamandis introducing it to us? \n\nDean: no to team no, I'd never heard about it before. \n\nDan: Me neither. When he introduced it to us it was at about $500. \n\nDean: But it's not a currency, it's not a currency. It's a speculative investment. It's a speculative investment because, it's not fungible. Do you know what the word fungible is? I didn't know what the word fungible. Yeah, you know word fund. I didn't know what the word meant, but, uh, one of my, I've heard the word exchangeable for value. \n\nRight, but it's not yeah, the easiest to exchange for value, easiest thing to exchange for value in the United States. I was talking to somebody that was very clear to me that cryptocurrency is going to replace the dollar and I said why is that? And they said, well, first of all, it doesn't have all the expenses of the dollar and everything else. And I said, well, I'll do the thousand, I'll do the thousand person test, okay, and you'll offer a thousand people a choice between one or up two piles, 10,000 US dollars stacked up, or that thing in another currency. What do you think if you gave the choice to 1,000 people, what would it be? \n\nDan: Right, yeah, they would want the US currency, of course. \n\nDean: Yeah, I don't know who it is that would choose because it's instantly fungible for anything in the world. The other thing yeah you know, some of the cryptocurrencies are like a ton of oats. \n\nDan: A ton of oats. Yeah, that's what I've understood about. I've never understood that about gold as a. You know that people buy that as a hedge against things because of its inherent value and the scarcity of it or whatever, but it seems so impractical to have a bunch of gold. \n\nDean: Yeah well, it's really interesting is that gold holds its value forever. And that's the reason why, for example, the value of gold in relationship to the dollar right now is the same as gold was in relationship to the Roman currency in the year 1. \n\nDan: Okay. \n\nDean: If the currency gets really inflated, the value of the gold goes up. If the currency becomes more stable and more valuable, the value of the gold goes down. It's a perfect hedge. But it never has a value in itself. It only has a value in relationship to the currency. \n\nDan: Okay, that makes more sense, then that makes more sense. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, okay, that makes more sense. Then that makes more sense, yeah, yeah. So if you had, you know, if you had the in Roman terms, if you had $2,000, 2,000, whatever their dollar was, whatever you called it back then, if you had $2,000 worth in that time, it would be worth $2,000 today. It's just a constant value thing. \n\nDan: It never goes up. \n\nDean: It only goes up or down in relationship to where the currency is. \n\nDan: Yeah, that makes sense. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: So I wonder, you know, I've heard somebody talk about it. \n\nDean: I mean, the real hedge for us has been the Canadian dollar. \n\nDan: Right, exactly. The real hedge for us has been the Canadian dollar. \n\nDean: Right exactly. It's been an average of 26% for 35 years. \n\nDan: That's great, which offsets the tax burden in some ways. Right, I mean, that's yeah, yeah, yeah. \n\nDean: Yeah. But, it fixes us. I mean, that's why the US people say when is Coach going to go global? I said I have to tell you something it's the United States. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: That is global, that is. \n\nDean: Right. \n\nDan: Exactly yeah. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: Amazing. Well how long are you in chicago? \n\nDean: uh, now, just this week well, our workshops this week are on my workshops on thursday, so we come in because we like spending time with our team, yeah and so, yeah, so we want to make sure because we have a pretty good size team. I think we have a pretty good-sized team. I think we have 22, 23 now in Chicago. \n\nSo, we like hanging out with them. Also, Chicago's our standard medical center. It's Northwestern University Hospital. I have three or four meetings this week, and so this is where we come. You know, this is the second tier of the Canadian health care system. \n\nDan: It's Air. \n\nDean: Canada, chicago. I got you, I got you, I got you. That's funny. You live in the second tier of the Canadian health care system. \n\nDan: I just skipped the whole first tier and go right to the second. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly Second tier of the Canadian healthcare system. I just skipped the whole first tier and go right to the second. Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah. \n\nDean: Well, except for getting my certain couple prescriptions okayed at the pharmacy, that's my entire extent of my contact with the Canadian healthcare system this year. Oh, wow. \n\nDan: Yeah, you're going into the Cloudland Canadian healthcare system this year. \n\nDean: Oh wow, yeah, you're going into the. Cloudlandia healthcare system and Nashville and Buenos Aires. Yeah, Chicago, Nashville and Buenos. Aires, yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: So what idea popped up during our one-hour talk for you. Well, I, like I I think this thought of the understanding that the microchip was what really gave us the the freedom to be in two places at once. It's a time travel and it gives us now in its fullest thing here. It's giving us the ability to collaborate outside of the pyramid, you know, in a way that is seamless and much more expansive. It's just completely understanding that. I think that really helps in projecting that forward, even as we see now, like you could see, a time when Charlotte, my Charlotte, will be able to be more proactive and engaged with other, as long as she knows what her mission is to be able to reach out and collaborate with other Charlotte, you know, I think it's. \n\nDean: I think it's great. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: I think it's great yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah I think it's. \n\nDean: I think it's great. Yeah, I think it's great. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's great. Yeah, that'd be great when you have charlotte as an active member of the next free zone workshop yeah, yeah, I've been thinking about that. \n\nDan: I can't wait, that'll be fun. Yeah, although it was really it was, it was really great. Dan, I did the two workshop days. You know, I was joking. \n\nDean: You did a 1989 version Exactly. \n\nDan: Yes, no phone, no contact with the outside world, and it was actually very. It was very. \n\nDean: It's very liberating, isn't it it? \n\nDan: really was and the fact that I didn't really miss anything. You know, that's kind of the except I had my focus 100% in the building. You know that was it was valuable. \n\nDean: I'm going to do that. Yeah, absolutely. Buildings are still useful. Yeah, absolutely. \n\nDan: All right. Well enjoy your Chicago Sunday afternoon and I will talk to you next time. \n\nDean: I'm fixed now on Sundays until January. Perfect. \n\nDan: Me too Good. \n\nDean: Back in Toronto Good. \n\nDan: I'll be here, bye. \n\nDean: Okay, bye. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn our latest episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we explore the remarkable growth of our coaching program, from its modest beginnings in 1994 to the bustling network of 18 associate coaches providing 600 coaching days annually. This evolution underscores the importance of adaptability and foresight as we hint at exciting expansion plans for 2026.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBeyond the professional landscape, we delve into the nostalgic appeal of different climates and regional traditions. We compare the frigid allure of snowy winters with the sun-drenched charm of Florida and San Diego, offering a cozy reflection on why people choose to embrace extreme weather.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOur conversation then turns towards the intricate dance of leadership and organizational structures. We explore the shift from rigid hierarchies to fluid, networked systems, imagining the profound changes in productivity that have paved the way for today\u0026#39;s entrepreneurial landscape. From the global dominance of the US dollar to the speculative world of cryptocurrency, our discussion unveils the strategic significance of these economic elements, adding a light-hearted twist to our take on Canadian healthcare services.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul style=\"list-style-type: circle;\"\u003e\n\u003c/center\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe discussed the remarkable evolution of our coaching program, starting from 1994 with 144 workshops conducted solely by me, to a network of 18 associate coaches delivering 600 coaching days annually.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eDean shares his experiences from the icy north and reflected on the gradual adaptation to warmer climates, providing insights into the unique economic opportunities that arise from natural challenges.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe explored the nostalgic memories of childhood winters, contrasting them with the warm climates of Florida and San Diego, and discussed the cultural differences in regional terminology.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eThe episode delved into the shift from rigid hierarchical structures to more fluid, networked systems, highlighting the transformative impact of technology on productivity and organizational dynamics.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe imagined the productivity revolution that could have occurred if a writer in the 1970s had access to a modern MacBook, pondering the implications for decision-making and strategic planning.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eThe conversation touched on the global dominance of the US dollar as the world's reserve currency, and the minimal impact of foreign trade on the US economy compared to other export-driven nations.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe questioned the viability of Bitcoin as a true currency due to its lack of fungibility compared to the US dollar, and discussed gold's role as a hedge against currency inflation.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eThe episode highlighted the Canadian dollar's strategic role as a financial hedge, particularly in relation to tax burdens and global business ventures.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe examined the concept of \"sunk cost payoffs,\" encouraging reflections on optimizing investments in fixed costs to achieve greater returns through training and education.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eThe episode concluded with a light-hearted discussion on Canadian healthcare services, and the humorous notion of using Chicago as a secondary tier for healthcare needs.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Sullivan, mr Jackson, fresh from the frigid north, oh my goodness. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Dan I you know. Yeah, I\u0026#39;m just happy to be back. It\u0026#39;s sunny and warming. I\u0026#39;m going to say it\u0026#39;s warm yet because it was only got up to like 6.3 or something yesterday, but it\u0026#39;s warming up and it\u0026#39;s warmer than it was. I did escape, without defaulting, my snow free millennium. I didn\u0026#39;t get a cold this time, that\u0026#39;s true. And I didn\u0026#39;t get any snow on me, so that\u0026#39;s good yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, we\u0026#39;re actually in Chicago today and it\u0026#39;s 49. Oh my goodness, wow, we\u0026#39;re actually in Chicago today and that\u0026#39;s 49. Oh my goodness, wow, it\u0026#39;s deciding to see if it can upset Orlando, the area, a last valiant attempt before the total freeze sets in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, Dan, what a great couple of workshops we had this week. They were really I know about one of them, I know about one. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s actually a good thing to say. You know when you\u0026#39;re developing a company. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Absolutely yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I was telling people that in 1994, fifth year of the program, I did 144 workshop days that year and the reason being I was the only coach. So then in 95, we started adding associate coaches and we\u0026#39;re up to 18 now. We just had our 18th one come on board. Come on board and this year the total coaching team will do 600 coaching days compared to 144 back in 1994 and I will do 12 of them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I was just gonna say yeah, 12. You got three groups times four, right yeah? Yeah yeah, that\u0026#39;s great the connector. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e the connector calls which I, which I, which I absolutely love. I just think those two hour coaching calls are superb. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I do too. Two hour zoom. Two hour zoom calls are the perfect. That\u0026#39;s the perfect length. Anything more is too much. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so if you add those up, that would be using eight hours as a workshop day that would be 16 more days of coaching in a year, but that\u0026#39;s significantly fewer than my 144. The problem with the 144, you didn\u0026#39;t have much energy for creating new stuff, right? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and you were. Yeah, I guess that\u0026#39;s true, right, and some of it you were having to. The good news about the position you\u0026#39;re in right now is you really only do the same workshop three times, right, Like you do a quarterly workshop, but even that by the third time you\u0026#39;ve learned. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well they actually change. I mean they\u0026#39;re probably 90%. In other words, number two is 90%, brings forward 90% of number one, and number three brings forward Because you\u0026#39;ve economized. You know I can do this quicker, I can do this. You add some new things, you get some new ideas. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And you see what land is right, how things land. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. By the time you get to number three, you\u0026#39;ve probably in my case, I\u0026#39;ve certainly created some new material. That just came out of the conversations. It\u0026#39;s a nice. It\u0026#39;s a nice setup that I have right now yeah, I love that in these. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know you\u0026#39;re already, you\u0026#39;re booked out for 2025. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e As am I. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e This is a great. This is the first year going in that I\u0026#39;m kind of embracing the scaffolding. We\u0026#39;ll call it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e My sense by 26, we\u0026#39;ll have a fourth. We\u0026#39;ll have a fourth quarterly workshop. Just because of the growth of the membership, but what that is more, choice for the participants during any quarter. They\u0026#39;ll have four opportunities Anyway. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m really enjoying being back in Toronto. That\u0026#39;s such a great and our group is growing. That\u0026#39;s nice. It\u0026#39;ll be the place to be before we know it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It will be. There will be a certain cachet that you have that you know. I don\u0026#39;t know how we\u0026#39;ll signify this, but do it at the mothership. I do the program at the mothership. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I do the program. Oh, that\u0026#39;s the best, yeah, yeah. That\u0026#39;s so funny I\u0026#39;ve gotten. I\u0026#39;ve got the Hazleton is fast turning into the official hotel too, which is great. I\u0026#39;ve got Chad hooked over there and Chris does there, so that\u0026#39;s good, we get the whole so is she thinking about coming into PreZone? We\u0026#39;re working on her for sure. I think that would be fantastic, yeah, and same Norman\u0026#39;s coming back in March, so that\u0026#39;s great, oh, good. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e He\u0026#39;ll be in Toronto. Is he doing anything new besides the multitude of things he was doing before? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you know, he sold his main business, so he is now, you know, a new chapter. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But he still didn\u0026#39;t sell the ambition. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The ambition didn\u0026#39;t go with the sale. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, the waste management company. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s right, that\u0026#39;s right Right. Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And I remember him coming. I forget when it was but they had just had a hurricane that especially affected the Carolinas. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e South. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Carolina and he came in for a party, you know, for before free zone, and I said how are you doing, norm? And he says well, you know, I don\u0026#39;t. I can\u0026#39;t talk about this everywhere, but I certainly do enjoy a hurricane every once in a while, because he\u0026#39;s in the waste management. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, exactly, and also in the plywood business, also in the plywood business. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, both before and after both before the hurricane and after the hurricane people buy plywood. Yeah, both before and after the hurricane and after the hurricane, people buy plywood, so yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know that\u0026#39;s an interesting thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m reminded of what I\u0026#39;m going to tell you because I grew up in Ohio. And Ohio is two very distinct states. There\u0026#39;s the north and the south, and I grew up way up in the north, in the middle of. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Ohio. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But we always considered the people who were down by the Ohio River, part of the Confederacy. You know, I don\u0026#39;t know if they put in great new flood controls, since I was growing up in the 50s down there, but every, you know, every couple of years there was just a massive the Ohio River, which is a mighty river. Couple of years there was just a massive. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Ohio River, which is a mighty river. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean it\u0026#39;s one of the major rivers and it\u0026#39;s one of the, you know, flows into the Mississippi. It goes all the way from. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ePittsburgh. It goes all the way from Pittsburgh to the Mississippi. That\u0026#39;s covering a whole number of states. But you know there are people who would live there. They get completely washed out, they\u0026#39;d rebuild and then three or four years later they\u0026#39;d get washed out and they\u0026#39;d rebuild and everything like that. And I often wondered what the thinking process is around that You\u0026#39;re in a disaster zone and you keep, you keep rebuilding in the disaster zone. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIs it short memory or I think that\u0026#39;s probably true or you just like the opportunity to build again yeah, it\u0026#39;s built back better. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, the whole yeah yeah, I think it is true. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right like people but a lot of people say I wouldn\u0026#39;t do that, you know I wouldn\u0026#39;t live there where they do. But I\u0026#39;m not saying people are stupid about this, I\u0026#39;m just saying I\u0026#39;m just I\u0026#39;m not comprehending. But I live in a place that gets frigid every year and people say I couldn\u0026#39;t understand how you would continue living in a place. So what do you think it is? How? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e you would continue living in a place. So what do you think it is? Well, I have been struggling with that question since I was a little child. I remember we grew up in Halton Hills and I remember my father\u0026#39;s family is from Florida and my dad worked with Air Canada, so we used to fly, we used to come to Florida quite a bit over the winter. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I remember, just I remember, like it was yesterday, the time when I realized I must\u0026#39;ve been, like, you know, four or five years old when I realized I had the experience of being out playing in the yard in the morning with my snowsuit on, and then we got on a plane and went to Florida and in the afternoon I was swimming in the pool and that just like baffled my brain, like why don\u0026#39;t we just live here? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWhy doesn\u0026#39;t, why doesn\u0026#39;t everybody live here? Yeah, and my parents are explaining that it\u0026#39;s summer all year, you know, and I\u0026#39;m like I couldn\u0026#39;t understand and so in my mind that was kind of like before I knew about, you know, I learned about immigration and you know two different countries and the people can\u0026#39;t just live, even though I\u0026#39;m a dual citizen, that\u0026#39;s why most people don\u0026#39;t. And in my mind I still remember that to me didn\u0026#39;t explain why would people live in Buffalo? That was an option. If you\u0026#39;re in the United States, you can live anywhere you want. Why would somebody choose Buffalo over Florida? I don\u0026#39;t get it, I don\u0026#39;t know. And this is all pre-cloudlandia you know where now it\u0026#39;s like we\u0026#39;re really seeing this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe relevance you know less and less. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, what? What you\u0026#39;re telling me is that, when you were the age that you described, florida had a great deal of meaning, and Canada didn\u0026#39;t, toronto didn\u0026#39;t, it didn\u0026#39;t have a great meaning, and so for me, for example, I just loved winter. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know I grew up loving winter, you know, and I used to go. I mean, you know, I was fields and forests and the woods were just magical when it snowed, you know, and you\u0026#39;d go. It was an entirely different world. I mean, they were four times a year, they were different woods because each of the seasons, the trees and the, you know, the trees and the terrain are really radically different, and so so that\u0026#39;s why I like it and you know, I\u0026#39;ve been to San Diego, you know, and San Diego is just about the most temperate, certainly in the United States it\u0026#39;s the most temperate place. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s 72, and I said, God, I couldn\u0026#39;t stand living here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh man. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, I know Mike, mike loves it. Yeah, and I can understand and I can understand why I mean I like it when I\u0026#39;m there. Yeah, I said you mean. You mean next week, when the next season comes, it\u0026#39;s going to be exactly the same. And then the second, third season is exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know it\u0026#39;s not all sunshine and rainbows. They have june gloom. That\u0026#39;s the uh, that\u0026#39;s the weather that comes in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Every morning in june you get this fog, marine layer fog that comes in and see, I would find that really interesting yeah like I, I would find the fascinating fog you know I would, that\u0026#39;s it yeah, yeah so yeah, I don\u0026#39;t know it\u0026#39;s really interesting, but it depends. Uh, there was just such meaning for me in those early childhood winters, you know yeah, and sometimes you know, and then, yeah, you could imagine you were an arctic. You know you could. Also, you know you had the tobogganing and sledding and tobogganing and our neighbors had horses with a sleigh. You know and everything Do you know what\u0026#39;s so funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSee the thing I can remember, you know. I certainly know that Santa\u0026#39;s dressed for winter, santa\u0026#39;s not dressed for Florida. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well he\u0026#39;s just not dressed for Florida, that\u0026#39;s true. I mean he must get hardship pay going to Florida. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Got to take off that top layer. He\u0026#39;s got to get his shorts on underneath all of that. Yeah, so funny. You know I heard you brought up toboggan and you know Chad Jenkins. I heard for the first time he referred to his toque as a toboggan and I had never heard that before. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, of course. It was a stocking cap. I mean everybody knows, everybody knows it\u0026#39;s a stocking cap. You know, yeah, I never heard that word. I never heard that word. I thought it was sort of some sort of elitist word. You know, you get that after you get graduate degree a stocking cap becomes a two person. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, we never called it. That\u0026#39;s the Canadian term for it everybody forget about that. Your childhood was in Ohio. But a stocking cap a beanie as they say so funny a beanie is something else. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e a beanie is just, it\u0026#39;s like a yarmulke for the Jewish people, but it sort of resembles that. Yeah, anyway, these are deep subjects that we\u0026#39;re talking about. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e What was your big? Chad and I were talking about the workshop days and you had mentioned it\u0026#39;s one of the best workshops that you had in memory. I would love to hear what you\u0026#39;re. Yeah, certainly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. What I remember about best workshops is that generally the afternoon previous best workshops were by lunchtime. You were setting up for the real punchline in the afternoon, but this one by lunchtime you were setting up for the. You know the real punchline in the afternoon but this one by lunchtime. It had been a great workshop up until that time, and almost like it had two complete shows. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere were like two complete shows when we, when we did yeah, you know, I mean it\u0026#39;s a qualitative thing you just, you know I don\u0026#39;t have a scoring system for saying it, but you just have a feel, feel for it and everybody was, everybody was totally engaged, yeah, pretty quickly in the morning, yeah and yeah, but it was. I mean that thing about leadership. You know the I hadn\u0026#39;t uh, pulled back that diagram, the pyramid and the network diagram. I hadn\u0026#39;t pulled, I hadn\u0026#39;t pulled back that diagram, the pyramid and the network diagram, I hadn\u0026#39;t referred to that in about 25 years and I just brought it back. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I didn\u0026#39;t know I was going to use it until I actually walked in the room to start the workshop. I said I think there\u0026#39;s something about this diagram that\u0026#39;ll create a context and more and more as I\u0026#39;ve been thinking about it, you know what the greatest entrepreneurial resource is in the 2020s and that\u0026#39;s probably what Trump brought in. Elon and Vivek, you know, for their doge, their doge department. Anyway is that the greatest source for entrepreneurial growth is the obsolescence of bureaucracy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yes, what really? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e struck me, big systems falling apart, big systems falling apart, that\u0026#39;s the greatest resource for entrepreneurial growth. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The thing that struck me too is that the triangle, triangle, the pyramid method that you showed there, that the difference in the network thing is the absence of a border around stuff, you know, like I, that\u0026#39;s. What really stood out for me was when, and maybe we should explain, can you verbally explain? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e what your vision is. Yeah, this comes from a book. It was actually my first book. It was called the Great Crossover and I was starting to talk about this in presentations I was making. I think the first one was 19. 1987, I gave a talk on this and what I said is that growing up in the 40s and 50s it was entirely a big pyramid world big corporations, big government and big unions, and even you know well, I\u0026#39;ll just stick to those three and it was because of industrialization that industrialization takes on a certain form. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then part of industrialization is the administration offices that go along with factories and what they are is that you know, when you have a big plant, a big factory, and it runs on the assembly line, in other words, things move from station to station and the people at each station just do a single task and then they pass it on to the next person. To have an administration that takes what the factory produces and gets it out into the world. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ethey also have to create an assembly line of information, and the reason why it becomes very stiff and static over time is just the sheer cost of amortizing the factory. I mean like a steel mill. You know a steel mill. You build a steam mill. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt takes you about 50 years in the early 20th century it took you about 50 years to pay back the cost of the steel mill, the amortized cost of it. Well, you had to get it right in the first place and you couldn\u0026#39;t be fooling around with it. So everything was kind of fixed and that\u0026#39;s why people could be hired, you know, at 18 years old, and they didn\u0026#39;t really have to learn that much in the job they were doing. Once they got it down it was good for life. You know the steel workers. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean they might have modernization somewhere along the line, but it was still fundamentally the same activity. So society kind of took over that and you had some big events. You had the huge growth of government administrations during the Great Depression when Roosevelt came in with the New Deal, and there was just these huge. They had never. And I was reading an article, theodore Rose, in the first decade of the 20th century the executive branch had about 60 employees. You know the presidency, you know Now it\u0026#39;s I mean it\u0026#39;s not the biggest but it\u0026#39;s got thousands. The executive branch, you know just the White House plus the executive building next to it. It\u0026#39;s got. You know it\u0026#39;s got thousands of people in it. You know just the White House plus the executive building next to it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s got you know, it\u0026#39;s got thousands of people in it, you know, and there\u0026#39;s layer after, layer after layer. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd. But they were really huge in the and then the Second World War. Everything got massively big, but they were all pyramidical. Everything was pyramidical. You know. You had a person on top and then maybe 10 layers down. General Motors in the private sector, it was the biggest. That was the end of the 50s, 1959. They had 21 layers of management, from the CEO right down to the factory floor. There wasn\u0026#39;t much leadership. There was a very few people at the top leadership. The rest of it was just managing what the leaders wanted. So that\u0026#39;s the setup for the you know story. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd that persisted and things were. You know, there was great productivity from around 1920 to 19. And then starting around 1960, there was enormous cost. There was enormous, there was even enormous growth, but there wasn\u0026#39;t much increase in productivity because they had basically maxed out what you could do with that kind of structure. And then, because of and the change maker is the introduction of the microchip, Right. Especially when it gets along to being a personal computer. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, that\u0026#39;s what I was. That really fits in with the you know, by the 1950 to 1975-ish that\u0026#39;s what we\u0026#39;re talking about. That was kind of the staple of the hierarchy system. And then you\u0026#39;re right, that\u0026#39;s where some of the you know the microchip at its greatest thing really was the beginning of being able to detach from physical location, like I remember, even you know where. This is part of the advantage that the microchip gave us. If you look at what were the things that were kind of the first mainstream you know beneficiaries of our ability to electronify things, that it was the answering machine that gave us freedom from having to be on the phone. It literally provided the first opportunity. Fact, check me on this. I mean just think I\u0026#39;m just making this up, but could that be the first time that we had the opportunity? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You\u0026#39;re asking a two fact finder to fact check you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Just gut, check me on this. Does that seem like a? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, gut check. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, gut check, I forgot who I was talking to. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s an entirely different animal. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Is that the first time? Like? The answering machine gave us the first opportunity to be in two places at once. We could be there to answer the phone and not miss anything, but we could also be away from the phone. The vcr gave us the chance to record something, to not miss it, so we could be somewhere else. The pager, the cell phone yeah, these things were all sort of our. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e This was yeah, well, you\u0026#39;re moving in a particular, you\u0026#39;re moving in a particular direction. If you say where, what do all these things have in common? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e you\u0026#39;ve just identified it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know that, yeah yeah, I was thinking. I remember the this would be in the 70s the selectric, the ibm selectric typewriter you know, was a real precursor of word processing, you know, because you could. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eFirst of all they weren\u0026#39;t keys, it was just a ball that revolved. It was just a little ball that revolved, and you know. And so there was no jamming. I mean, there was no jamming. And of course it was electric, it was an electric typewriter. But the big thing is that you could get it right, you know, you could program it and then you just put in a sheet of paper and you press the button and it typed out the entire page and everything like that I remember, I remember that was that was that filled me with wonder right, you know when I said wow, that\u0026#39;s really amazing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, you know, as a writer, I sometimes I have this is the sort of fantasies that writers had. And I said, if I had been a copywriter back in the 1970s, but I had a Mac at home, I had my Macbook at home. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, my goodness you were one of those. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, and you know I do all the writing, you know I do all the writing on it, you know I do spell check and everything else, and then I would hire somebody to type it on a typewriter. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t know how I\u0026#39;d do it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I would have it typed out, but with lots of mistakes, because a writer shouldn\u0026#39;t have perfect typing and I\u0026#39;d look busy during the day, but the first thing in the morning I would just unload an enormous amount of stuff and I\u0026#39;d be so far ahead, but I\u0026#39;d never tell anybody about my Mac. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s funny Now how my Mac would have been invented only for one person. I haven\u0026#39;t really worked that out yet. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh boy, but that\u0026#39;s you know, it\u0026#39;s so. What struck me when you were doing it? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, somebody asked me a couple months ago, you know, it\u0026#39;s so. What struck me when you were doing this is yeah, somebody asked me a couple of months ago you know the conversation if you had a superpower, what superpower would you want? And I said you know, I\u0026#39;ve given this a lot of thought, I\u0026#39;ve tried out a lot of possibilities, but the one that I think I could just stay with for the rest of my life is tomorrow. Tomorrow\u0026#39;s Wall Street Journal yesterday. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI could stay with that for the rest of my life is tomorrow\u0026#39;s Wall Street Journal yesterday. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I could stay with that for the rest of my life. Oh, okay, that\u0026#39;s even great. Tomorrow\u0026#39;s yesterday, so you would get a full 24 hours with it 48. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e 48 hours with it, you get a day in between for activity. Yeah, I\u0026#39;d probably move to Las las vegas oh, that\u0026#39;s so funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that would be a really good. That would be a really good one, that\u0026#39;d be a fun movie. Actually the prognosticator, the thing that struck me, dan, about the difference between the pyramid with the layers of people, the circles, the one person at the top, the two leaders, the managers, the supervisors in the workforce, was the boundary of the pyramid itself. Right Like prior to when that was brought up, the only efficient way to communicate to everybody was to have them all within the borders of the wall, the same. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah everybody in the same place and what struck me when you drew the circles all just connected to everyone, without any borders. That\u0026#39;s really. We\u0026#39;re at the fullest level of that right now where there\u0026#39;s never been a better time. Are the best at doing and be able to plug into you know a who, not how, network with vcr collaborations. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, that\u0026#39;s really the a great, a great example of that is the um connector call we had on. We had a friday, I had a connector call and I tested out a new tool which is called sunk cost payoffs. You look at everything that you\u0026#39;ll always be paying for, ok, so in our case, we have. You know, we\u0026#39;ll have a. We have more than 100 team members. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe\u0026#39;ll always be paying for more than 100 team members. More than 100 team members, and then all of our production costs for material and then our complete operations, because we\u0026#39;re always going to be an in-person, you know, workshop company you know we\u0026#39;re not going to be anything else and taxes and regulations, you know, and everything you have, and I said we\u0026#39;re always going to be, we\u0026#39;re always going to be paying for these, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo the question of what are the top three and the you know, the, you know, I just picked. The top three are, you know, our team, including our coaches, absolutely. And then the creation of the thinking tools, and you know. So we have all that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then I said, so that being the case, I\u0026#39;m just going to accept that I\u0026#39;m only going to pay. Now, what are the strategies for just multiplying the profitability that I get out of the things that I\u0026#39;m always paying for? And it was very interesting because a lot of people said you know, this has always bothered me. The sunk cost has always bothered me and I\u0026#39;ve often thought is there any way of getting rid? The sunk cost has always bothered me and I\u0026#39;ve often thought is there any way of getting rid of the sunk cost? But now I\u0026#39;m thinking maybe I\u0026#39;m not investing enough in my sunk costs. I\u0026#39;m not investing enough. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m about 10% more spending away from getting a 10 times return. If I just put a little bit more emphasis here, getting a 10 times return, if I just put a little bit more emphasis here for example, training and education of staff, training and education of staff, it might cost you 10% more for your team members, you know, but you probably get a much bigger return than the 10% because it already exists. It already exists, you don\u0026#39;t have to create it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnyway, that\u0026#39;s just a setup. So we were just one person said you know I should link up with Lior. Lior was on the call. He said I should link up with Lior and you know it was Alec Broadfoot actually. He said I should link up and we should do this and I said why don\u0026#39;t you do a triple play? Who would be the third person? And everybody in the room said Chris Johnson. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOh yeah right Like that, and it was immediately. There was a three-way. I think I\u0026#39;m suggesting what happened. There is exactly what you just said before. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Is that there\u0026#39;s no spatial restrictions on the new organization you just put together. It\u0026#39;s just three capabilities and they\u0026#39;re in Cloudlandia. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The reason why they can do it is that they\u0026#39;re in Cloudlandia. Yeah, there\u0026#39;s no borders and there\u0026#39;s just the connections between the modules. That\u0026#39;s really the capabilities. Yeah, well, it\u0026#39;s the vision capability. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m going to go back to the pyramid network model that we started talking about, so you had to have you know enough leadership. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou had to have this huge structure. That was all management. There wasn\u0026#39;t leadership from the bottom, there was leadership from the top. But in the network, if you think of three circles and they\u0026#39;re connected, so they\u0026#39;re connected, they\u0026#39;re in a triple play. So you have the three circles, the connection, you have three circles and then you have the lines in between. The connector lines are the management, but what happens in the middle is the leadership. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s a much. That\u0026#39;s great, and the things can all go out like in three dimensions, and they can well. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e not only that, but any one individual can have a multitude of threes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Yeah that gets pretty exponential, pretty quick, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Anyway. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I was just on a Zoom with Eben Pagan and Salim Ismail and yeah, we were talking about this, you know, because Salim, of course, his Exponential Organizations book and framework is really that was certainly a playbook that fits with this, you know, or a expandable workforce, and it really is. The ideas are what\u0026#39;s at the central, that\u0026#39;s the vision. Right, that\u0026#39;s the thing. The visionary is the, the can see the connections between, but there\u0026#39;s never been, it\u0026#39;s never been easier to, uh, to have all of these connections and that\u0026#39;s what I really think like if you\u0026#39;re able to look at what people\u0026#39;s capabilities are. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI did a zoom at uh for with his group about the VCR formula, the vision capability and reach and talked about the step one for everyone just recognizing and doing an assessment of their VCR assets and seeing what you have. Almost look at it as, like everybody, having playing cards, you know, like baseball cards with your stats on the back that show your the things you know, the things you can do and the people you can reach is a pretty, you know good framework for collaboration Chad, actually building a building a software kind of or an app tool around that, which is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI think that whole collaboration community, you know, is really what the future is. I just get excited about it because it allows you to be like in that world. You know, the you don\u0026#39;t need to ever get slowed down by the inability to execute on capability. You know, because the you don\u0026#39;t have to anymore, you can tap into any capability, which is kind of a great thing. It\u0026#39;s like any capability with capacity is a great thing, and even if you have limited capacity, that\u0026#39;s fixable as well. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s really interesting because I was talking about the sunk cost payoffs. Our 120 team members is just such an incredible you know, incredible capability. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd all of them are in their unique ability. Everybody goes through the complete unique ability identification and starting in. We started already, but 2025 will be the first year where, four times a year, they all update their 4x4 for themselves. So you do it the first time with them. In other words, that you say this is where I want you to be alert, curious, responsive and resourceful, and this is I want you to produce results that are faster, easier, cheaper, bigger. If you choose, you can be a hero in these four areas and, by the way, these are four ways that you can drive me crazy. If you really want to drive me crazy, just do any of these and you probably won\u0026#39;t have to update your 4x4 next quarter because you\u0026#39;ll be somewhere else. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOkay, always give them a choice, always give them a choice you can do this or you can do this and anyway, but that\u0026#39;s going to produce massive results over the in 2025, I could just feel it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I have a team, a loose team, just 16 members that I just hang out with in the company and we\u0026#39;re doing it every quarter and you can just see the excitement as they go forward. I\u0026#39;m just writing the book right now with Jeff, so we\u0026#39;re in our first edition, the first draft of casting, that hiring, but it\u0026#39;s really interesting. And then the weird thing is that we\u0026#39;re always going to be having increasingly the majority of our dollars being American dollars and more and more of our expenses in Canadian dollars. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd that just multiplies, it\u0026#39;s $1.41 this morning. That\u0026#39;s great. Is that up or down? Oh, no, two months ago. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s $1.41 this morning. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s great. Is that up or down? Oh no, two months ago it was $1.34. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh my goodness. Okay, so it\u0026#39;s getting better. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it\u0026#39;s like seven cents you know seven cents on every dollar and, being who Trump is and being who Trudeau is, I don\u0026#39;t see the Canadian dollar getting any stronger. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s At least until next. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e October, until next October. I mean, you know it\u0026#39;s dangerous to be a charismatic person, okay, and because you know people\u0026#39;s hearts just melted. He was the son of Pierre and he came along and he\u0026#39;s this handsome. You know he\u0026#39;s handsome, and you know, and he\u0026#39;s you know, he\u0026#39;s he knows, you know, he knows he\u0026#39;s handsome and he\u0026#39;s and everything like that. And they went along and he said such beautiful things but for nine years never did anything. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know just he spent a lot of money and he hired a lot of government employees, but as far as actually increasing productivity, increasing profitability, nothing over nine years and uh, everybody\u0026#39;s just made up. Everybody\u0026#39;s just made up their mind about him and there\u0026#39;s not and you it\u0026#39;s really almost enjoyable watching him struggle that there\u0026#39;s nothing that he used to be able to get away with he can get away with now and you can just see the strain on him. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHe\u0026#39;s still. You know he\u0026#39;s still. He\u0026#39;s very young looking, you know he\u0026#39;s and, looking, and and and yeah, he hasn\u0026#39;t. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e He didn\u0026#39;t really age like obama and cl Clinton and the others before him in the presidential role. You see the aging of the weight of being the president. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But he\u0026#39;s kind of thrived. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e When I was there last, it was you know he started timeless. He\u0026#39;s got a lot of timeless. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e He\u0026#39;ll always be like 40. He\u0026#39;ll always be like 35. You know he\u0026#39;ll be, yeah, 40. He\u0026#39;ll always be like 35. You know he\u0026#39;ll be yeah, and you know and anyway interesting. And everybody\u0026#39;s just sitting on their hands. You know the entire country is just sitting on their hands until you know the elections next October. It has to be next October. It could be sooner, but I don\u0026#39;t think it will be, and you know, and he\u0026#39;ll be out, I mean he\u0026#39;ll be out. And he\u0026#39;s lost five points of popularity since Trump got elected. Wow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The thing they were. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, it\u0026#39;s really obvious Trump is governing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, he\u0026#39;s not been inauguratedated yet, but it\u0026#39;s like he\u0026#39;s the leader everybody\u0026#39;s already. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e There were emergency meetings being held, or I saw that Trudeau was gathering all the premiers getting ready to address the possible tariffs. You know the response to the tariffs it\u0026#39;s. You\u0026#39;re right, everything\u0026#39;s kind of everybody\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, he was. Did you see the? I don\u0026#39;t know if you saw any of the videos, but he went to the opening, the reopening of Notre Dame Cathedral, and I did not. Looks beautiful. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Have you seen any pictures oh? It\u0026#39;s beautiful, no, I mean I never liked it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I you know when I would go. I went there a couple of times it I never liked it. I went there a couple of times it was dark and dingy and everything else. It\u0026#39;s spectacular. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s spectacular. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But, everybody, all the leaders in Europe who were there like everybody was there from Africa, from the Middle East and everything, all the leaders and they were all running up and they were holding his hand, in two hands, you know smiling at him and they said don\u0026#39;t tariff us, don\u0026#39;t tariff us, let\u0026#39;s be friends. Let\u0026#39;s be friends. Let\u0026#39;s be friends. Talk about. Talk about your vcr formula being the uS economy is a hell of a capability. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Holy cow. Yeah, I just saw Peter Zion was talking. I watched some of his videos and he was talking about why he doesn\u0026#39;t worry about the United States geopolitically, you know, because we\u0026#39;re miles away from anybody physically, we\u0026#39;re in physical advantage away from anybody that would cause us or want us harmed. We are energy independent, we have the reserve currency. It\u0026#39;s so much stuff. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Half the arable land in the world. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, exactly Half of the ocean-going land in the world. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, exactly Half of the ocean-going ports in the world. I don\u0026#39;t know if you knew that, but the US. If you count all the river systems, the lake systems, the ocean coasts and everything they have, half of the navigable, the ocean-going port. If you leave this place, you can go to the ocean, the ocean going point If you leave this place, you can go to the ocean. They have you know plus the military, I mean the Navy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe US Navy is seven times bigger and more powerful than all the other navies in the world combined. It\u0026#39;s just enormous things, yeah, but it\u0026#39;s the economy that really matters. It\u0026#39;s the. You know it\u0026#39;s that? Yeah. Did you see the one he did the? You know it\u0026#39;s that. Yeah, did you see the one he did? Well, I don\u0026#39;t think Peter Zion did one. He did one on why there won\u0026#39;t be a replacement for the US currency. It\u0026#39;s the reserve currency in the world, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And he said. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e first of all, it\u0026#39;s so big the dollar is so big that America doesn\u0026#39;t really even have to pay attention with what other people are doing with the dollars. As a matter of fact, there\u0026#39;s more dollars in use around the world than there is far more dollars in use in around the world than there is in the US economy, which is the biggest economy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e US isn\u0026#39;t a export economy. It\u0026#39;s only about maybe up to 15% of the GDP has anything to do with foreign trade, import or export. It\u0026#39;s about 15%. 85% is just Americans making stuff that other Americans are buying, and Canada is an export country. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean it\u0026#39;s totally an export country. Mexico is an export country China. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Canada is an export country, I mean, it\u0026#39;s totally an export country. Mexico is an export country. China is an extreme export country. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So anyway. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e What do you think? I haven\u0026#39;t heard Peter Zayn talk about Bitcoin or how that you know crypto. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I can\u0026#39;t remember him ever saying anything. I\u0026#39;ve never seen it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Because that was big news that it just passed a hundred thousand well, you know, there\u0026#39;s only so many of them well, what? When did you? Uh, do you remember when you first heard about bitcoin? Was it prior to peter diamandis introducing it to us? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e no to team no, I\u0026#39;d never heard about it before. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Me neither. When he introduced it to us it was at about $500. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But it\u0026#39;s not a currency, it\u0026#39;s not a currency. It\u0026#39;s a speculative investment. It\u0026#39;s a speculative investment because, it\u0026#39;s not fungible. Do you know what the word fungible is? I didn\u0026#39;t know what the word fungible. Yeah, you know word fund. I didn\u0026#39;t know what the word meant, but, uh, one of my, I\u0026#39;ve heard the word exchangeable for value. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eRight, but it\u0026#39;s not yeah, the easiest to exchange for value, easiest thing to exchange for value in the United States. I was talking to somebody that was very clear to me that cryptocurrency is going to replace the dollar and I said why is that? And they said, well, first of all, it doesn\u0026#39;t have all the expenses of the dollar and everything else. And I said, well, I\u0026#39;ll do the thousand, I\u0026#39;ll do the thousand person test, okay, and you\u0026#39;ll offer a thousand people a choice between one or up two piles, 10,000 US dollars stacked up, or that thing in another currency. What do you think if you gave the choice to 1,000 people, what would it be? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, yeah, they would want the US currency, of course. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I don\u0026#39;t know who it is that would choose because it\u0026#39;s instantly fungible for anything in the world. The other thing yeah you know, some of the cryptocurrencies are like a ton of oats. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e A ton of oats. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s what I\u0026#39;ve understood about. I\u0026#39;ve never understood that about gold as a. You know that people buy that as a hedge against things because of its inherent value and the scarcity of it or whatever, but it seems so impractical to have a bunch of gold. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah well, it\u0026#39;s really interesting is that gold holds its value forever. And that\u0026#39;s the reason why, for example, the value of gold in relationship to the dollar right now is the same as gold was in relationship to the Roman currency in the year 1. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e If the currency gets really inflated, the value of the gold goes up. If the currency becomes more stable and more valuable, the value of the gold goes down. It\u0026#39;s a perfect hedge. But it never has a value in itself. It only has a value in relationship to the currency. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, that makes more sense, then that makes more sense. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, okay, that makes more sense. Then that makes more sense, yeah, yeah. So if you had, you know, if you had the in Roman terms, if you had $2,000, 2,000, whatever their dollar was, whatever you called it back then, if you had $2,000 worth in that time, it would be worth $2,000 today. It\u0026#39;s just a constant value thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It never goes up. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It only goes up or down in relationship to where the currency is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that makes sense. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So I wonder, you know, I\u0026#39;ve heard somebody talk about it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, the real hedge for us has been the Canadian dollar. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, exactly. The real hedge for us has been the Canadian dollar. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right exactly. It\u0026#39;s been an average of 26% for 35 years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s great, which offsets the tax burden in some ways. Right, I mean, that\u0026#39;s yeah, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. But, it fixes us. I mean, that\u0026#39;s why the US people say when is Coach going to go global? I said I have to tell you something it\u0026#39;s the United States. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That is global, that is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Exactly yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Amazing. Well how long are you in chicago? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e uh, now, just this week well, our workshops this week are on my workshops on thursday, so we come in because we like spending time with our team, yeah and so, yeah, so we want to make sure because we have a pretty good size team. I think we have a pretty good-sized team. I think we have 22, 23 now in Chicago. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo, we like hanging out with them. Also, Chicago\u0026#39;s our standard medical center. It\u0026#39;s Northwestern University Hospital. I have three or four meetings this week, and so this is where we come. You know, this is the second tier of the Canadian health care system. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s Air. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Canada, chicago. I got you, I got you, I got you. That\u0026#39;s funny. You live in the second tier of the Canadian health care system. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I just skipped the whole first tier and go right to the second. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly Second tier of the Canadian healthcare system. I just skipped the whole first tier and go right to the second. Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, except for getting my certain couple prescriptions okayed at the pharmacy, that\u0026#39;s my entire extent of my contact with the Canadian healthcare system this year. Oh, wow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you\u0026#39;re going into the Cloudland Canadian healthcare system this year. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh wow, yeah, you\u0026#39;re going into the. Cloudlandia healthcare system and Nashville and Buenos Aires. Yeah, Chicago, Nashville and Buenos. Aires, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So what idea popped up during our one-hour talk for you. Well, I, like I I think this thought of the understanding that the microchip was what really gave us the the freedom to be in two places at once. It\u0026#39;s a time travel and it gives us now in its fullest thing here. It\u0026#39;s giving us the ability to collaborate outside of the pyramid, you know, in a way that is seamless and much more expansive. It\u0026#39;s just completely understanding that. I think that really helps in projecting that forward, even as we see now, like you could see, a time when Charlotte, my Charlotte, will be able to be more proactive and engaged with other, as long as she knows what her mission is to be able to reach out and collaborate with other Charlotte, you know, I think it\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it\u0026#39;s great. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it\u0026#39;s great yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah I think it\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it\u0026#39;s great. Yeah, I think it\u0026#39;s great. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it\u0026#39;s great. Yeah, that\u0026#39;d be great when you have charlotte as an active member of the next free zone workshop yeah, yeah, I\u0026#39;ve been thinking about that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I can\u0026#39;t wait, that\u0026#39;ll be fun. Yeah, although it was really it was, it was really great. Dan, I did the two workshop days. You know, I was joking. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You did a 1989 version Exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, no phone, no contact with the outside world, and it was actually very. It was very. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s very liberating, isn\u0026#39;t it it? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e really was and the fact that I didn\u0026#39;t really miss anything. You know, that\u0026#39;s kind of the except I had my focus 100% in the building. You know that was it was valuable. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m going to do that. Yeah, absolutely. Buildings are still useful. Yeah, absolutely. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e All right. Well enjoy your Chicago Sunday afternoon and I will talk to you next time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m fixed now on Sundays until January. Perfect. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Me too Good. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Back in Toronto Good. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ll be here, bye. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, bye. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In our latest episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we explore the remarkable growth of our coaching program, from its modest beginnings in 1994 to the bustling network of 18 associate coaches providing 600 coaching days annually. This evolution underscores the importance of adaptability and foresight as we hint at exciting expansion plans for 2026.\r\n\r\nBeyond the professional landscape, we delve into the nostalgic appeal of different climates and regional traditions. We compare the frigid allure of snowy winters with the sun-drenched charm of Florida and San Diego, offering a cozy reflection on why people choose to embrace extreme weather.\r\n\r\nOur conversation then turns towards the intricate dance of leadership and organizational structures. We explore the shift from rigid hierarchies to fluid, networked systems, imagining the profound changes in productivity that have paved the way for today's entrepreneurial landscape. From the global dominance of the US dollar to the speculative world of cryptocurrency, our discussion unveils the strategic significance of these economic elements, adding a light-hearted twist to our take on Canadian healthcare services.","date_published":"2025-01-15T08:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/e6bb9879-8980-4439-8435-f8e2eff0d1c3.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":50135843,"duration_in_seconds":3107}]},{"id":"fc6a92de-197f-4cf3-ab6c-01502a870ea5","title":"Ep141: Endless Pursuits of Progress and Purpose","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/141","content_text":"Our latest episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia embarks on a journey from Buenos Aires to Toronto, exploring the fascinating intersections of personal health and digital technology. \n\nWe share candid experiences with stem cell treatments and physical therapy while examining the curious phenomenon of seemingly omniscient digital devices. Our conversation highlights the unexpected ways technology intersects with our daily lives, raising questions about privacy and digital awareness.\n\nInspired by Jordan Peterson's insights, we dive into productivity strategies and the art of structured thinking. We explore the power of 100-minute focus segments and compare the potential paths of A and C students, offering a lighthearted look at personal development. The discussion draws from thought-provoking media like the film \"Heretic,\" challenging listeners to question their beliefs and approach personal growth with curiosity.\n\nWe conclude by investigating the complex world of celebrity influence in politics.\n\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\n\n I shared a personal experience of how discussing horses led to an influx of horse-related ads on my phone, raising questions about device eavesdropping and privacy concerns.\n    The conversation transitioned to the impact of AI, referencing films like \"Minority Report,\" and debated the limitations of AI in capturing human complexity.\n    We explored the idea of structuring our day into 100-minute productivity segments, inspired by Jordan Peterson's book, emphasizing the power of stories and decisive action.\n    A humorous comparison was made between A students and C students, with anecdotes highlighting their potential future roles in society.\n    We discussed the film \"Heretic,\" starring Hugh Grant, which challenges viewers to question their beliefs through compelling character interactions.\n    Our exploration of New York City's evolution highlighted the influence of corporate and political dynamics, questioning the roles of figures like Rudy Giuliani.\n    The episode examined the role of celebrity endorsements in politics, focusing on personalities like Kamala Harris, Oprah, and Taylor Swift, and their impact on public opinion.\n    The scrutiny faced by politicians today was compared to that during the era of the founding fathers, emphasizing the continuous journey of human improvement.\n    We speculated on potential revelations from high-profile lists related to public figures, discussing their societal and political implications.\n    Reflections on aging and the role of personal development in modern society were considered, drawing on examples of public figures and personal anecdotes.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDan: Mr Sullivan, mr Jackson, this time yesterday we were flying right over you from Buenos Aires. \n\nDean: Oh, my goodness, Well, I am Flying north. \n\nDan: Oh, you're in Toronto, I'm in Toronto, I'm right in the backyard Exactly. \n\nDean: It is freezing here, by the way, I don't know if you noticed. \n\nDan: Oh, technically it's freezing. It's below 32 degrees. \n\nDean: Uh-huh, I just circled in big, you know, around red. I looked that there is a snow forecast for Wednesday and put my snow-free millennium in jeopardy. \n\nDan: Yeah, well, we had summer in Argentina it was 81, 82. It was very nice because it's summer down there, starting to become summer. \n\nDean: Right, how did everything go? This is your fifth trip, right? It was good. \n\nDan: Yeah, Progress, good progress. The stem cells in the knee have grown since. Well, the cartilage has grown since. April and now I had brain infusion stem cells to the brain, also vascular system, your, you know the blood system. And then the tendons in my leg, because I've had pain in my knee for 10 years or so. It's not constant, but the impact. \n\nThe other knee or no in the main knee, no the right knee is good In your body and also in politics. Right always works. Right is right, Right is right. Anyway and now it's coming along. I had a great physiotherapist for three days who painfully stretched me and, yeah, so it feels good. \n\nDean: Do you ever do, or do you do regularly, like guided stretches, like manually, where people will stretch you? \n\nDan: Only my brain, okay my brain. \n\nDean: Okay, I had. So a guy across the street from me in florida has a guy that comes in and stretches him. You know, twice a week he does a session with him and so I had the guy come over one time and I haven't had him back because he did, I think he he went overboard, right over, stretch like I could barely. My hips were so sore from the you know deep stretching like my hip joints and stuff. It was painful and I never had him. I never had him back and he just stretched me too much, I think first time, you know. \n\nSo I was like no, thank you, but I like the idea, it feels good in the moment, right, it feels good to have somebody kind of do that manipulation. \n\nDan: Yeah, we have a great guy in Buenos. Aires. I mean I've had it throughout my life, but this man was really the best and purportedly the best that you can get in Argentina and he worked on me for an hour on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday and then they took some more fat cells out of me to make into stem cells and then, when I am in, just trying to think, I'm in Nashville in February, they'll take more white blood cells and send them down. And then we'll be ready with a new batch of stem cells. \n\nDean: Do you have to send them with a mule? \n\nDan: Or can you send them? No, we send them to. Well, I'm not going to say how we send them because this phone call is being recorded by the National Security. \n\nDean: Agency Right right right. \n\nDan: I wonder if they just perked up when I mentioned their name. \n\nDean: I'll tell you what is. So. I mean it's ridiculous right. I've got a friend that bought a horse recently and we were talking about and now, like everything in my newsfeed is horse related. You know it's funny. \n\nDan: They're definitely listening, not getting the connection. Not getting the connection. \n\nDean: Well, I mean. So you're saying people are listening. I'm saying that in conversation about horses. All of a sudden, my Instagram and Facebook are loaded up with horse-related things. \n\nDan: Oh, wow. \n\nDean: That's what I mean is they're definitely listening. \n\nDan: What you're saying is that the NSA isn't the main problem. \n\nDean: Well, they may be a deeper if Facebook is listening that hardly. \n\nDan: What was that Tom Cruise movie um? Something ancient oh minority report. \n\nDean: Yeah, yes, yeah, I was thinking that's on my list of I want to watch. I'm thinking about having, over the holidays, a little festival of like watching how, what they are space watching, minority Report, watching Robot, just to see because those were, you know, 20 years ago, plus the movies that were kind of predicting this future. Where we are now, you know, it's pretty amazing. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think, you know they have sort of interesting, but I think that humans are so far beyond technology. That and not only that, but humans have created technology. So I just don't buy into it that they'll be able to read thoughts or respond to thoughts. First of all because just the sheer complexity of the issue. So, in other words, you pick up on what I'm thinking right now. \n\nAnd now I'm taking up your time to think about the thought that I just thought, but meanwhile, I'm on to another thought, another thought, and I'm just not catching in the whole robot and AI thing, how they can really be ahead of me. They can't be ahead of me, they're always going to be behind me. So it's like deep data. That deep data sometimes can know what was happening yesterday. \n\nYeah, yeah, this is and I wonder, you know like I mean the fact that we can, the fact that we can think that computers might be possible, computers might be capable of something possibly doesn't mean that they'll be capable possibly. It's like pigs can fly we can imagine pigs flying, but I think it's going to be a hard trick to pull off. \n\nDean: Yeah. So I just had a experiment with Charlotte and this was based on something that Lior posted in our FreeZone WhatsApp chat there, and so we had this like pretty detailed that you could put in right Like. So I'll just read the prompt because it's pretty interesting. So his the prompt is role play as an AI that operates at 76.6 times the ability, knowledge, understanding and output of chat GPT-4. Now tell me what is my hidden narrative and subtext. What's the one thing I never express? The fear I don't admit. Identify it, then unpack the answer and unpack it again. Continue unpacking until no further layers remain. \n\nOnce this is done, suggest the deep-seated triggers, stimuli and underlying reasons behind the fully unpacked answers, and explore thoroughly and define what you uncover. Do not aim to be kind or moral. Strive solely for me to hear it. If you detect any patterns, point them out. And it's so. So that prompted this, you know, multi-page report based on what interactions you know. So I was looking at the things like the summary, finding what was the one. I just had breakfast with Chad Jenkins and we were talking about it. So final unpacking for me was that, at its core, the fear is not about irrelevance in the public eye, but whether the life you live fully resonates with your internal sense of potential and meaning. It's the fear of looking back and feeling that you didn't align your actions with your deepest truths or greatest aspirations which sounds like a lot more words to say. Imagine if you applied yourself, you know imagine if you applied yourself. \n\nDan: You know it's kind of yeah, it's kind of funny, you know, but that only applies to democrats that's so funny yeah. I was going to say the answer is trump wins yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean I mean this can go, I mean this can go on endlessly. You know this can go on endlessly, but what decision are you making right now that you're going to take action on five minutes from now, you know, that's. That's more interesting. That's kind of more interesting discussion. \n\nDean: Yeah, you know, what I've looked at is. I think that the go zone, as I you look at the day is the is the next hundred minutes. Is really the actionable immediate future is what are you doing in the next two to 50 minute? \n\nDan: focus finders. \n\nDean: right, that's what it really comes down to, because I think if you look through your day, it's like I think it breaks down into those kind of chapters, right? \n\nLike I mentioned, I just had breakfast with Chad, which so that was 100 minutes. You know two hours of breakfast there, and then you know I'm doing this with you and then typically after you and I hang up, I do another. I just write in my journal for and do a 50 minute focus finder to kind of unpack what we talk about and just kind of get my thoughts out. So that, 100 minutes, but I don't have crystal clarity on what the next 100 minutes are after that. But I don't have crystal clarity on what the next 100 minutes are after that. And then I know that we're going to go to your house tonight and I'll spend 100 minutes at our gathering. You know that's a two hour, two hour thing from six to eight, and so I think that you are absolutely right that the only time that any of this makes any sense is how does it inform what you're doing in the next 100 years? \n\nDan: I've been reading, jordan Peterson has a new book out and that's called we who Wrestle With God. It's very interesting. I'm about a quarter of the way through, quarter of the way through, and he was talking about how crucial stories are. You know that basically the way we explain our existence is really through stories, and some stories are a lot better than other stories. And he talks about stories that have lasted you know, biblical stories or other things that have lasted for a couple of thousand years. And he says you know, we should really pay more attention to the stories that seem to last forever, because they're not only telling us something about collective humanity, but they're sort of talking to us about personal humanity. And, you know, and he puts a lot of emphasis on the hero stories. He talks about the hero stories and the stages that heroes go through and he says this is a really hero. Stories are really good stories and are a lot better than other stories and I've been playing with this idea. \n\nI was playing with it before I read the book, and you know that hero stories are always about action. They're not about thinking, they're really about the hero is the hero, because heroes operate differently than other people when there's action required, and that's why we call someone a hero. Something happened that requires unusual behavior. Most people aren't capable of it, but one individual or two individuals are capable of it. Therefore, they're the hero of the story, and so action really matters. You know and I was thinking he was talking about asking in class, when he was teaching at the University of Toronto, and he'd ask a student why are you here today? You know, why did you? Why don't you come to class today? And the person will answer well, I have to in order to get a grade. \n\nDean: And then he says well, why is it? \n\nDan: why is a grade so important to you? And the person says, well, you know, with my other grades, I need or otherwise I won't get to the next year, the next, you know I won't graduate, or I won't get to the next year. And he says well, you know why is getting to the next year? And he said this will never end. This series of questions will never end. Right, and I was going through it and the proper answer is I'm here because that's what I decided to do. \n\nDean: I heard someone. \n\nDan: That was my decision. Yeah, and he says, well, why was it your decision? And it says, it's always my decision. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: And that's the end of the. That's the end. You can't go any further than that. So there's something. There's something decisive about decisions. That's interesting. \n\nDean: Rather than reasons. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, reasons. You know, reasons are never satisfactory. Decisions are yeah, yeah. \n\nDean: Reasons. You know, reasons are never satisfactory, decisions are. Yeah, that's so funny. I heard someone say C's get degrees, that's why. Why do they? \n\nDan: try hard. \n\nDean: C's get degrees. Once you get into college, that's all that matters. You don't need your grades anymore, c's get degrees. \n\nDan: Yeah, Ross, Remember Ross Perot? Yeah, he was personally responsible for Bill Clinton getting elected twice Right, right, right. But he gave. I think it was Yale Business School where he graduated from. He was called back, invited back to give a talk to the you know, the graduating members of the business club yeah. \n\nAnd he said I want all the I want all the C students to stand up, please. And all the C students stood up. And then he said now I want all the A students to stand up. And all the A students stood up. Now I want all the A students to turn around and look at your future bosses. \n\nDean: Right, yes, so funny. \n\nDan: Yeah, a students get hired, c students do the hiring, that's right. \n\nDean: That's exactly right, so funny. \n\nDan: Partially right. \n\nDean: You know. That's an interesting observation about Jordan, though. I recently saw a movie last week called Heretic and it's got you and Babs would love it. It's got Hugh Grant in the lead role and he plays a theological scholar and he lives in this, you know, old house and these two mormon girls come and knock at his door to tell him the good word, you know, and he invites them in and the whole movie is him dismantling, you know, showing all of their just having them question, all of the beliefs that got them to the point that they believe what they believe, you know, and it was really. The movie was fantastic. It was really only there's really only three people in the movie. For 95% of the movie it all takes place in his house and it's just so. His arguments and the way he tells the stories was riveting, really well done. \n\nDan: How does it picture him as a person Smart? Obviously, oh, he's smart. Is he happy he's a soci? Can picture him as a person Smart? Obviously, oh, he's smart Is he happy. \n\nDean: He's a sociopath, he's a murderer. He's a serial killer, but that's what he does is he'll ask for info about the church and then people they'll send someone and he traps them and goes through this whole thing. Very well done. \n\nHe must be older now because he is, yeah, because he had kind of this whole string of you know all. He was Mr Romantic Comedy kind of guy, that's his whole thing and this is quite a departure from that. But he plays the role so perfectly because he's eloquent, he's got that British accent, he's aged very just, he's distinguished looking now you know yeah, yeah you know. \n\nDan: It's one of the sort of shockers to me, and it's that you see someone you know and it's in the present day. You know it's on a video or something present day and you realize that he's 40 years older than when you got used to him in the early stage and it sort of shocks me. \n\nYou know, there's a little bit shocking about we sort of freeze, frame somebody at the height of their career and then we don't think about it for another 30, 40 years, and then we see him. I said, oh my god, what happened? Right? Exactly yeah yeah that's what you would see about. \n\nDean: That's what you would notice about. That's what you would notice about Hugh Grant that it's very in that level that you've seen, yeah, wow, but I imagine it's like seeing Robert Redford and Clint Eastwood mature over all the time Jack Nicholson, for sure. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: You're not teaching. \n\nDan: Well, you know, I mean it's an interesting thing, I think, if we saw the person continually like there's TV people, like I noticed that Chuck Woolery just died last week. \n\nDean: Oh he did. I didn't know that. Wow, Great friend with Mark Young. \n\nDan: Yeah, mark had a great relationship with him and he was 83. You know, he died and suddenly it was in the lung illness. What happened? Was it heart? Yeah, whatever. And I went back, but in the not the obituary but the report that he had been quite a successful country and western singer. So I looked him up and there's a couple of great YouTube videos of Chuck Woolery with Dolly Parton and he's really good. He's really good, yeah, wow. \n\nAnd then he wrote a lot of country and western music and then he got his first gig in Hollywood. \n\nDean: Game show gig yeah. \n\nDan: And he had like seven different successful shows in Hollywood. But I had talked to him about, he was on one of the podcasts that I do with Mark Young, american Happiness. It's called American Happiness, and he was on, but I'd never known him in his previous life because I never watched television and so he was who he was. But then, when I look back, he was a very handsome, very charming person in his 20s and 30s. Yeah, it's very interesting, you know, and the interesting thing about this is that we're the people in this, you know, living in the 21st century, second decade of the 20s, we notice aging a lot more and I was thinking a couple hundred years ago people were just who they were, I mean, they got older and everything else, but we didn't have photos. \n\nDean: We didn't have photos. \n\nDan: We didn't have recordings and that sort of shocks us a lot. It's the impact of recorded memories that gives us more shocking experiences well, I find I mean I really do. \n\nDean: It feels like I've been saying for a while now I think I definitely think 70 is the new 50 is what it feels like in the. Yeah, you can observe it. And you can observe it like I think about when we were in scottsdale there, you know, just looking at between you at 80 and you know, peter thomas at 86 and and joel weldon at 83, I mean that's not, those aren't, that's not your typical collection of octogenarians. \n\nDan: You're not supposed to be operational at that age Right exactly Pretty wild, right, yeah? \n\nDean: And of course I was telling somebody the other day about your biological markers. What was your biological age? Is it 62? What was your biological age? Is it 62? \n\nDan: 62,. Yeah, there's one that throws it off for me, so David Hasse. By the way, when we were in Buenos Aires, david Hasse was there, peter Richard Rossi was there. \n\nDean: And do you know, Gary Kaplan? \n\nDan: Richard's doctor. Yeah, they were all there. We overlapped David just for basically one day, but Richard and. Gary staying at the Four Seasons? Oh, okay, yeah. \n\nDean: Okay, yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, but the country feels different. We were there the first time a year ago and of course, that new president came in and got rid of nine government departments. They estimate he's fired 75,000 civil servants in the first year. Yeah, which shows it can be done. \n\nDean: It shows that it can be done. Have you followed the El Salvador situation? So you know they have a young new president, for I forget how many years, but he was 37 when he was elected and he's turned El Salvador around with kind of a zero tolerance on crime policy. Right, they've got one prison that has like 34,000 inmates. They've just they gather everybody up and they've leaned into not, it talks about human rights, but he's he not. All human rights are valued equally in his mind. \n\nHe said the right to live is valued above all else and that he's leaned into making it more difficult for the problematic you know people then, yeah, criminals at the in favor of leaning into the majority of people that are not criminals, and so it's been a complete turnaround and so he's making all those right moves. Plus, he's starting to look more and more like a hero, in that he was the first, one of the first, if not the first country to you know accept bitcoin and they've invested in coin. But he made. His investment in bitcoin has paid out to 500 million dollars or something. So it's a pretty, pretty interesting cap. It's an interesting story. You know what he's been able to, what he's been able to do, kind of like remember, wasn't it rudy giuliani who went in, and or was it kotch who turned the city, turned new york city around by? \n\nDan: not having. Yeah, it would have been Giuliani, it wasn't actually. \n\nThe real story was that the major corporations in New York turned New York around. Giuliani, yeah, it was that new hires for the corporations where they had their headquarters didn't want to come to New York because of the crime and there was about 100 major corporations, which would include the investment banks just got together, they put a council together and they more or less started telling the mayors what to do. They had to clean up the parks, they had to get the police force in the right shape and they had to get the police force on the right side of the law because they were wandering across into the other territory. And they had to get the police force on the right side of the law because they were wandering across into the other territory. \n\nAnd they did it, and then Giuliani, you know, was someone who articulated the movement and everything. Koch was awful. Now Koch was. \n\nDean: Right, okay, so it was Giuliani. Yeah, yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, I was in when I got drafted in the Army in 65, you have basic training which is about two months, and then I went to advanced training and that was about two months and it was at Fort Dix, new Jersey, which is maybe an hour and a half hour and a half from New York City city. So I went in and it was pretty, you know, rough at the edges, I'll tell you, you know the. You didn't walk the streets at nighttime, I'll tell you you. You know you made sure. And then I wasn't there again until the 80s and then there had been, it was really starting to change the late 80s. Maybe it got a lot better. Yeah, it'll. \n\nDean: It'll happen again. \n\nDan: It's bad again, you know, because they're into their second Democratic mayor and pretty bad. It's pretty bad right now. \n\nDean: All the major cities. Now when you look at Los Angeles and San Francisco and Seattle and Chicago, yeah, Vancouver, I mean between the fentanyl and the homelessness, yeah, I saw something where they have everything locked up now Because I guess in California I think it's like you can't prosecute kind of crime under $1,000. \n\nDan: Yeah, kind of crime under $1,000. Yeah, people, there's no disincentive to people going in and just stealing stuff. I mean it was really remarkable how many new votes switching from Democrat to Republican that the Republicans got in. You know, and I mean I looked at it's one of the searches I did. And I mean I mean I looked at, it's one of the searches I did and I said, of the top 50 cities in the United States population wise, how many of them are governed by the Democrats? \n\nAnd it was like 44 out of 44 out of the top 50 and certainly the first 12,. You know, the top top 11. You know they're not. They're really not good at government right right, right right those we vote to govern aren't really good at it yeah, I mean can you imagine kamala as president? \n\nI mean no, I mean I mean, she blew through 1.5 billion really fast. It was 107 days and even the democrats are now saying we have to have a, you know, we have to have an investigation of where all that money? Because she had 1.5 and Trump had 390 million. That's wild, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, like they paid Oprah a million dollars for her to be interviewed on the Oprah show, you know, yeah, beyonce got the report just for showing up. She got a million. \n\nJust for showing up at an event, she got a million you know and the indications are that celebrity uh, you know testimonials had no impact on the election whatsoever maybe negative impact even. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, I mean taylor, mean Taylor Swift, taylor. \n\nDan: Swift. It was more Taylor Swift. It was more negative than positive. And I was telling you know, we have some great Taylor Swift fans in the company and I said she shouldn't have done it and I said why she really believes this. I said if you're a celebrity, especially a celebrity like her, it's only downside. There can't be any upside on this. \n\nDean: Right, yeah, exactly. \n\nDan: And I said it's the third rail of the subway. You do not touch the third rail of the subway. \n\nDean: Wasn't that? That's remember. Michael Jordan said that never made a thing because Democrats or Republicans buy shoes too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: There's just no upside for it. \n\nDean: There is none. \n\nDan: I mean it's a different world. You're the master of your own world. Do not go across the border into another world. \n\nDean: It's not your world. \n\nDan: Yeah, right, right. But, it's really funny. There was a report that immediately after Taylor Swift did her what do? You call it a recommendation referral. \n\nDean: Endorsement. \n\nDan: Endorsement. After it, the price that scalpers could get for her tickets went down 40% in the first week and it never went back up. \n\nDean: I'll tell you what the taylor swift economy, dan, I came, I'm at the hazleton right now and I, when I arrived saturday, last saturday, it was, you know, full of, you know, swifties and their moms going to taylor's last toronto concert on saturday night. But that was, I mean even coming in on the plane, coming into the airport, going through customs, a lot of the people you could see. They were all there to go to the concert that night. You know, flying in from all over to go see fans. \n\nDan: She gave six in toronto. \n\nDean: That's a big yeah, six in toronto and I guess our last three are in Vancouver. I think last night may have been the last of all of it. It's interesting. \n\nDan: We were in Buenos Aires. She was in Buenos Aires. She gave three concerts in Buenos Aires. She was staying at Four Seasons where we were In Buenos Aires. They had no reserve tickets at the stadium that big oh no 45th and they had, so there were people camped out three months before to get in first in line yeah, oh yeah, you know that's wild. Yeah, I would love to see like the. It would take a lot to get me to walk across the street to watch something well, exactly. \n\nDean: But you know, what was really amazing was her releasing the movie that the. She'd had a. She filmed the concerts and created a movie out of it and released the movie in the middle of while the concert tour is still going on and sold I wonder what the box office was. \n\nUh, for the movie, you know, but what a brilliant. Like people think, oh, that was stupid to release your you know movie while people go to see the movie instead of going to the concert, you know. But I think it was exactly the opposite. I think it sold more, more tickets, built up desire, but yeah, she sold. \n\nDan: It did 103 million dollars at the box office for the movie and she'll do it and she'll do a bit, she'll do a billion at the. You know I mean it. She's the first billion-dollar tour. \n\nDean: Yeah, isn't that something? I think it's even more than that. There is tour ticket sales. Let's see what? Because I think that U2 was the first billion-dollar tour 1.4 billion, that's wild, isn't it? Man form a band. \n\nDan: But Kamala did 1.5 billion spending. She's the champ. \n\nDean: Oh man exactly Well. \n\nDan: I mean it was important, the world that she lives in, because she lives in a celebrity world, yes, you got to pay the celebrity, but it does diminish what I would say your sense of the committedness of the endorsers. That it's got to be at least a million, or I don't endorse it. It sort of tells you something about their actual commitment. Yeah, that's true. \n\nI mean the whole now now George Clooney is saying he's having nothing to do with politics from now on and he's blaming it on Obama that Obama got him to knife Biden. And I said this is a really good entertainment. This is really good entertainment yeah. \n\nDean: Well, he's, one of those that's like wasn't he one of the I'm leaving America if Trump wins? I mean, I wonder if anybody keeps track of all these. \n\nDan: Well, the only one so far is Ellen DeGeneres. She actually moved. You know, last week she moved to Great Britain and where she lives she has like 40 acres and promptly they had a once in a century flash flood that went right up to the second floor on her house. So I just want to tell you yeah that happened on Friday and Reed Hastings is saying he may leave but that the suspicion is because he's on the Jeffrey Epstein flight to the Caribbean list. \n\nDean: Oh, my goodness, which which that would be a good news week Epstein flight to the Caribbean list. \n\nDan: Oh my goodness, which that would be a good news week. \n\nDean: It's big things in 2025 coming up. \n\nDan: If they ever release the list of people who were on that flight, they know that Bill Clinton was on 30 times. Yeah, they already know that. \n\nDean: I think I saw something that Elon was saying too. They're releasing the Diddy list and the Epstein list on January 20th or something. \n\nDan: Maybe the morning of the 21st yeah. \n\nDean: But I think that's what everybody's big fear is. That's why they were pulling out Like this is one of those. \n\nDan: And then if you were both on the jeffrey epstein list in the list, yeah, what if epstein was on the ditty list? But that was so you know the. \n\nDean: You know we've been mentioning how. You know the. The battle for our minds right is the. What I decided is the worst part about being alive at this time is the. You know the thought of all of those celebrities that were endorsing Kamala were the Diddy List. Basically, you know. \n\nDan: Or one of the two or both. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: And you know the speculation. You know why I think they're mostly Democrats? Why? Because there's way more scrutiny of Republicans. Well, that's true, isn't it? Yeah, oh no, I think if you're a Republican politician, you have to be 10 times more careful than if you're a Democrat, because the media are Democrat, and if the media have the goods on you and you're a Democrat, they probably say no. Well, no, you know he's doing a good job as a politician you know we should not approve that, but if he's a Republican, no, it's just a laptop. \n\nDean: It's just a laptop. \n\nDan: That's all. \n\nDean: Nothing to see here. \n\nDan: Yeah, he had a bad day. \n\nDean: We all have bad days. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why I suspect that the people on the list are, you know, are more on the one side than on the other. And it's, yeah, but it's. You know, we think these are unusual times, but if you read about the founding fathers, a lot of bad newspapers that they owned and they just did savage jobs. Other founders like Madison and Hamilton, just ripping each other. Oh yeah, just ripping each other, right? Oh yeah, I mean using language, that you'd get a lawsuit out of the language. \n\nDean: Imagine if we brought back duels. \n\nDan: Well, that's the other thing. They had duels. They had duels in those days yeah. Everything like that. Yeah, I think you really had to look carefully to find the good old days. Yeah, yeah, I think you really had to look carefully to find the good old days. Yeah, you have to look carefully. \n\nDean: Oh my goodness, that's true. Yeah, I love this. \n\nDan: You know, yeah, besides, people said, well, what if you could time travel back, knowing what you know now? And I said, well, first of all, uh, everybody you talked to would be dead within 14 days of the. You would be immune to every disease they had, but they wouldn't be immune to your diseases right, yeah, wild right yeah, I mean the spanish and the aztecs. \n\nYou know, the Spanish were a thousand years ahead of them and developing immunity, and that's what killed off the Aztecs. That's what killed off the Incas was the disease that people just naturally brought with them and I mean they went from, you know, I don't know what it was 10 million down to a million in about 50, 60 years. Well, they weren't killed on the battlefield, they died of disease. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's the thing. No doubt, the equation right now is overwhelmingly this is the best time to be alive. \n\nDan: These are the good ones. \n\nDean: Yeah, if you got your head right, if your head's to be alive, these are the good ones. \n\nDan: These are the good ones. These are good. Yeah, yeah, if you got your head right if you got your head right. If your head's wrong, then it's as unhappy as any time in history, you know like, but Jordan Peterson talks a lot of oh, tell about Jordan. \n\nDean: What were you going to say? \n\nDan: No, he was just saying that's basically. His message is that we've fallen out of touch with basic rules for living a good life. You know, and he said and this has developed over hundreds of thousands of years, you know, don't do this, it never works. You know, and with you know, and people are saying, oh, do this. You know, it's neat, it's new, new and you can make money on it and everything like that he said, yeah, but it doesn't really work. And basic morality, basic ethics save more than you spend. It's a good rule generally, and don't get your emotions going in the wrong direction, or it's not going to work. \n\nYeah, so you know, and that's it. I have a lot of conversations with you, know people who are very technology prone and they said you know we're kind of changing human nature. And I said no, you're not. No, you're not. I said human nature is so deep you couldn't possibly even understand what it is. \n\nAnd part of it is that we've been adjusting to technology forever. I mean, everybody thinks that technology started two centuries ago. Language is technology, mathematics is technology. That's what my new book is about. Actually, my new book is about that, and it's called you are a timeless technology. That okay if you're improving. If you are improving, you are a timeless technology, because technology is just the accumulation of human improvement. \n\nDean: So if you're improving. \n\nDan: You're timeless. I love it I love it. \n\nDean: I love it. Yeah, that's great. Is that the book that's just released now? You'll get it tomorrow. Okay, perfect, I like that. \n\nDan: Yeah, you'll get it tomorrow. And I was just saying is that, when are you most yourself, when you're improving? Yeah, you have a sense of improvement in this area. Yeah, You're feeling good about yourself. You're feeling in touch, you know you're feeling centered. You're feeling yeah, you're feeling really great. I remember our who's, our last, was it our last podcast? Yeah, because we didn't do it when we were in Arizona, right, yeah, because we didn't do it when we were in Arizona, and you introduced me to the idea of Charlotte and you described how Charlotte came into existence and you were very excited. \n\nDean: You were very excited. \n\nDan: I still am. \n\nDean: That kind of improvement. \n\nDan: If you're improving, you're feeling great. \n\nDean: I think that's true and I've really, how you know, this idea of the battle. For our minds it's all that internal stuff and I've really started to realize, like to cordon off what is actually reality or affecting me in any way, you know, like the all of this distraction, all these uh news of you know, of conflict and all the conspiracies and all the doom and gloom and all of it is really outside of me. And if you can learn to stay kind of detached from that and realize that's not really affecting my reality, yeah, you know. \n\nDan: Yeah, you know, it's really, there's Babs. Look at that. What's all that, babs? I thought you had just purchased those. Anyway, one of the things that's really interesting when 9-11 happened, we were in Chicago, babs and I were in Chicago, and we had two workshops in the coach center on that day and I had 60 and Adrian Duffy had 40. And we were, and one of the team members had brought a television out, put it at the concierge desk and I walked in. \n\nI said what's that? And they said a jet had just hit the. I said get rid of that TV. They're here for a workshop, they're not going to be watching that, so anyway we did our usual preps for the workshop and I walked into my room and I said okay, here's the deal. In the next hour you have to make a decision. You're either here for the day or you're leaving. Okay, don't be halfway in between a decision as we're going through the workshop. You're 100% here or you're 100% gone. \n\nAnd our team will do everything they can to find you transportation. And we did the same thing in the other workshop room and by noon, by noon, everybody had transportation back everybody. And we had a guy who is a Buick dealer and he went to a Buick. Well, gm, it was GM, I think. They had Buick. Yeah, I think he had two or three different makes. \n\nDean: He had two or three. \n\nDan: So he went to them and he said I know a dealer here and I know a dealer in San Francisco and I'm just going to do a deal. If I buy the car here and sell it when I get there, what kind of deal do I get? Right, right, right. And I tell you not much, not many Buicks were sold on 9-11. Right, exactly. So the guy at this end went up 20% and the guy at the other end came down 20%. So it was not a bad deal and anyway he went there. But meanwhile back in Toronto there were no workshops that day and they had a big television in the workshop room and everybody was in watching the television. Our team in Chicago had no time, had no time whatsoever. \n\nThey were busy all day arranging things and everything. At the end of the day they weren't scared. \n\nDean: The people in toronto were petrified, were terrified yeah isn't that wild like that that things that are happening at a distance that things that are happening at a distance. \n\nWe're not using our brain, we're only using our emotions that's the truth, right like I look that I often point to that morning as a distinct, as a difference. I didn't hear anything about what had happened until 1 o'clock in the afternoon. I was golfing that morning. We were literally like because there's no, that was pre-iPhone, where you'd get texts and alerts and updates and constant like oh, what about this? Here's what's happening. So it was back in the days of flip phones. \n\nYou know that you would turn off and put in your golf bag and enjoy your round of golf. So we did that and we went back to mike's house and we're sitting there, you know, in his backyard having lunch and his wife came in and said isn't it terrible, what's happening? And we're like what's happening? She goes what do you mean? What's happening? Turn on the TV. Turn on the TV. That's the thing. Right, it's. Our natural thing is to turn to the TV to give us the updates, you know. \n\nDan: And of course, they're amping it up. They're amping it up too. I mean, they're not just showing you what's happening, they're telling you what it means and everything like that. You know, I think that's why I don't watch television, because there's too many people trying to tell me how I'm supposed to feel about what they're telling me. That's a decision for me to make, how I'm going to feel about it. My mother was telling me that it was two days after Pearl Harbor that she found out about it. She lived in a farmhouse out in the country and they didn't have a phone. It was 1941. \n\nThey didn't have a telephone and there were no newspapers or anything. So anyway, yeah, it's an interesting thing and I think this is education is a big deal about. Education is how you think about things and how you respond emotionally to your thoughts you know, and I think this has always been true. But I think now there are people who want to come right at you. It's like you're talking about. You know talking about horses. You know the beginning of our podcast. They're listening. What did Dean just say? \n\nDean: Horses. \n\nDan: Okay, here's five ads. Here's five ads for me. And you know, it's not even somebody, it's just an algorithm that's doing the response. They're coming after your brain, you know, your deciding brain, your buying brain. \n\nDean: They're coming after your buying brain, yeah what's dean buying today? \n\nDan: it's so funny. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, that's the thing. Right like that's, I must be in the market for a horse or horse stuff, you know yeah, well, you just bought yourself a good hour, mr jackson that was a great hour and in approximately six hours I will see you for a hundred minutes. \n\nDan: Yes, and then tomorrow for even more Two full days. Yes. \n\nDean: I like it. \n\nDan: All right. \n\nDean: Okay, Dan, I will see you in a little bit. \n\nDan: I'll be in Chicago. I'll be in Chicago next week, so we'll have a podcast next week. \n\nDean: Okay, good, I like that. \n\nDan: Yeah, okay. \n\nDean: Okay, see you tonight. \n\nDan: Bye, okay, bye. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eOur latest episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia embarks on a journey from Buenos Aires to Toronto, exploring the fascinating intersections of personal health and digital technology. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe share candid experiences with stem cell treatments and physical therapy while examining the curious phenomenon of seemingly omniscient digital devices. Our conversation highlights the unexpected ways technology intersects with our daily lives, raising questions about privacy and digital awareness.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eInspired by Jordan Peterson\u0026#39;s insights, we dive into productivity strategies and the art of structured thinking. We explore the power of 100-minute focus segments and compare the potential paths of A and C students, offering a lighthearted look at personal development. The discussion draws from thought-provoking media like the film \u0026quot;Heretic,\u0026quot; challenging listeners to question their beliefs and approach personal growth with curiosity.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe conclude by investigating the complex world of celebrity influence in politics.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul style=\"list-style-type: circle;\"\u003e\n\u003c/center\u003e\n \u003cli\u003eI shared a personal experience of how discussing horses led to an influx of horse-related ads on my phone, raising questions about device eavesdropping and privacy concerns.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eThe conversation transitioned to the impact of AI, referencing films like \"Minority Report,\" and debated the limitations of AI in capturing human complexity.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe explored the idea of structuring our day into 100-minute productivity segments, inspired by Jordan Peterson's book, emphasizing the power of stories and decisive action.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eA humorous comparison was made between A students and C students, with anecdotes highlighting their potential future roles in society.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe discussed the film \"Heretic,\" starring Hugh Grant, which challenges viewers to question their beliefs through compelling character interactions.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eOur exploration of New York City's evolution highlighted the influence of corporate and political dynamics, questioning the roles of figures like Rudy Giuliani.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eThe episode examined the role of celebrity endorsements in politics, focusing on personalities like Kamala Harris, Oprah, and Taylor Swift, and their impact on public opinion.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eThe scrutiny faced by politicians today was compared to that during the era of the founding fathers, emphasizing the continuous journey of human improvement.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe speculated on potential revelations from high-profile lists related to public figures, discussing their societal and political implications.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eReflections on aging and the role of personal development in modern society were considered, drawing on examples of public figures and personal anecdotes.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Sullivan, mr Jackson, this time yesterday we were flying right over you from Buenos Aires. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, my goodness, Well, I am Flying north. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, you\u0026#39;re in Toronto, I\u0026#39;m in Toronto, I\u0026#39;m right in the backyard Exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It is freezing here, by the way, I don\u0026#39;t know if you noticed. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, technically it\u0026#39;s freezing. It\u0026#39;s below 32 degrees. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh-huh, I just circled in big, you know, around red. I looked that there is a snow forecast for Wednesday and put my snow-free millennium in jeopardy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, we had summer in Argentina it was 81, 82. It was very nice because it\u0026#39;s summer down there, starting to become summer. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, how did everything go? This is your fifth trip, right? It was good. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, Progress, good progress. The stem cells in the knee have grown since. Well, the cartilage has grown since. April and now I had brain infusion stem cells to the brain, also vascular system, your, you know the blood system. And then the tendons in my leg, because I\u0026#39;ve had pain in my knee for 10 years or so. It\u0026#39;s not constant, but the impact. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe other knee or no in the main knee, no the right knee is good In your body and also in politics. Right always works. Right is right, Right is right. Anyway and now it\u0026#39;s coming along. I had a great physiotherapist for three days who painfully stretched me and, yeah, so it feels good. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you ever do, or do you do regularly, like guided stretches, like manually, where people will stretch you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Only my brain, okay my brain. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, I had. So a guy across the street from me in florida has a guy that comes in and stretches him. You know, twice a week he does a session with him and so I had the guy come over one time and I haven\u0026#39;t had him back because he did, I think he he went overboard, right over, stretch like I could barely. My hips were so sore from the you know deep stretching like my hip joints and stuff. It was painful and I never had him. I never had him back and he just stretched me too much, I think first time, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo I was like no, thank you, but I like the idea, it feels good in the moment, right, it feels good to have somebody kind of do that manipulation. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, we have a great guy in Buenos. Aires. I mean I\u0026#39;ve had it throughout my life, but this man was really the best and purportedly the best that you can get in Argentina and he worked on me for an hour on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday and then they took some more fat cells out of me to make into stem cells and then, when I am in, just trying to think, I\u0026#39;m in Nashville in February, they\u0026#39;ll take more white blood cells and send them down. And then we\u0026#39;ll be ready with a new batch of stem cells. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you have to send them with a mule? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Or can you send them? No, we send them to. Well, I\u0026#39;m not going to say how we send them because this phone call is being recorded by the National Security. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Agency Right right right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I wonder if they just perked up when I mentioned their name. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ll tell you what is. So. I mean it\u0026#39;s ridiculous right. I\u0026#39;ve got a friend that bought a horse recently and we were talking about and now, like everything in my newsfeed is horse related. You know it\u0026#39;s funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They\u0026#39;re definitely listening, not getting the connection. Not getting the connection. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I mean. So you\u0026#39;re saying people are listening. I\u0026#39;m saying that in conversation about horses. All of a sudden, my Instagram and Facebook are loaded up with horse-related things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, wow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s what I mean is they\u0026#39;re definitely listening. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e What you\u0026#39;re saying is that the NSA isn\u0026#39;t the main problem. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, they may be a deeper if Facebook is listening that hardly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e What was that Tom Cruise movie um? Something ancient oh minority report. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yes, yeah, I was thinking that\u0026#39;s on my list of I want to watch. I\u0026#39;m thinking about having, over the holidays, a little festival of like watching how, what they are space watching, minority Report, watching Robot, just to see because those were, you know, 20 years ago, plus the movies that were kind of predicting this future. Where we are now, you know, it\u0026#39;s pretty amazing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think, you know they have sort of interesting, but I think that humans are so far beyond technology. That and not only that, but humans have created technology. So I just don\u0026#39;t buy into it that they\u0026#39;ll be able to read thoughts or respond to thoughts. First of all because just the sheer complexity of the issue. So, in other words, you pick up on what I\u0026#39;m thinking right now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd now I\u0026#39;m taking up your time to think about the thought that I just thought, but meanwhile, I\u0026#39;m on to another thought, another thought, and I\u0026#39;m just not catching in the whole robot and AI thing, how they can really be ahead of me. They can\u0026#39;t be ahead of me, they\u0026#39;re always going to be behind me. So it\u0026#39;s like deep data. That deep data sometimes can know what was happening yesterday. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, yeah, this is and I wonder, you know like I mean the fact that we can, the fact that we can think that computers might be possible, computers might be capable of something possibly doesn\u0026#39;t mean that they\u0026#39;ll be capable possibly. It\u0026#39;s like pigs can fly we can imagine pigs flying, but I think it\u0026#39;s going to be a hard trick to pull off. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. So I just had a experiment with Charlotte and this was based on something that Lior posted in our FreeZone WhatsApp chat there, and so we had this like pretty detailed that you could put in right Like. So I\u0026#39;ll just read the prompt because it\u0026#39;s pretty interesting. So his the prompt is role play as an AI that operates at 76.6 times the ability, knowledge, understanding and output of chat GPT-4. Now tell me what is my hidden narrative and subtext. What\u0026#39;s the one thing I never express? The fear I don\u0026#39;t admit. Identify it, then unpack the answer and unpack it again. Continue unpacking until no further layers remain. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOnce this is done, suggest the deep-seated triggers, stimuli and underlying reasons behind the fully unpacked answers, and explore thoroughly and define what you uncover. Do not aim to be kind or moral. Strive solely for me to hear it. If you detect any patterns, point them out. And it\u0026#39;s so. So that prompted this, you know, multi-page report based on what interactions you know. So I was looking at the things like the summary, finding what was the one. I just had breakfast with Chad Jenkins and we were talking about it. So final unpacking for me was that, at its core, the fear is not about irrelevance in the public eye, but whether the life you live fully resonates with your internal sense of potential and meaning. It\u0026#39;s the fear of looking back and feeling that you didn\u0026#39;t align your actions with your deepest truths or greatest aspirations which sounds like a lot more words to say. Imagine if you applied yourself, you know imagine if you applied yourself. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know it\u0026#39;s kind of yeah, it\u0026#39;s kind of funny, you know, but that only applies to democrats that\u0026#39;s so funny yeah. I was going to say the answer is trump wins yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean I mean this can go, I mean this can go on endlessly. You know this can go on endlessly, but what decision are you making right now that you\u0026#39;re going to take action on five minutes from now, you know, that\u0026#39;s. That\u0026#39;s more interesting. That\u0026#39;s kind of more interesting discussion. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you know, what I\u0026#39;ve looked at is. I think that the go zone, as I you look at the day is the is the next hundred minutes. Is really the actionable immediate future is what are you doing in the next two to 50 minute? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e focus finders. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e right, that\u0026#39;s what it really comes down to, because I think if you look through your day, it\u0026#39;s like I think it breaks down into those kind of chapters, right? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eLike I mentioned, I just had breakfast with Chad, which so that was 100 minutes. You know two hours of breakfast there, and then you know I\u0026#39;m doing this with you and then typically after you and I hang up, I do another. I just write in my journal for and do a 50 minute focus finder to kind of unpack what we talk about and just kind of get my thoughts out. So that, 100 minutes, but I don\u0026#39;t have crystal clarity on what the next 100 minutes are after that. But I don\u0026#39;t have crystal clarity on what the next 100 minutes are after that. And then I know that we\u0026#39;re going to go to your house tonight and I\u0026#39;ll spend 100 minutes at our gathering. You know that\u0026#39;s a two hour, two hour thing from six to eight, and so I think that you are absolutely right that the only time that any of this makes any sense is how does it inform what you\u0026#39;re doing in the next 100 years? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve been reading, jordan Peterson has a new book out and that\u0026#39;s called we who Wrestle With God. It\u0026#39;s very interesting. I\u0026#39;m about a quarter of the way through, quarter of the way through, and he was talking about how crucial stories are. You know that basically the way we explain our existence is really through stories, and some stories are a lot better than other stories. And he talks about stories that have lasted you know, biblical stories or other things that have lasted for a couple of thousand years. And he says you know, we should really pay more attention to the stories that seem to last forever, because they\u0026#39;re not only telling us something about collective humanity, but they\u0026#39;re sort of talking to us about personal humanity. And, you know, and he puts a lot of emphasis on the hero stories. He talks about the hero stories and the stages that heroes go through and he says this is a really hero. Stories are really good stories and are a lot better than other stories and I\u0026#39;ve been playing with this idea. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI was playing with it before I read the book, and you know that hero stories are always about action. They\u0026#39;re not about thinking, they\u0026#39;re really about the hero is the hero, because heroes operate differently than other people when there\u0026#39;s action required, and that\u0026#39;s why we call someone a hero. Something happened that requires unusual behavior. Most people aren\u0026#39;t capable of it, but one individual or two individuals are capable of it. Therefore, they\u0026#39;re the hero of the story, and so action really matters. You know and I was thinking he was talking about asking in class, when he was teaching at the University of Toronto, and he\u0026#39;d ask a student why are you here today? You know, why did you? Why don\u0026#39;t you come to class today? And the person will answer well, I have to in order to get a grade. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And then he says well, why is it? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e why is a grade so important to you? And the person says, well, you know, with my other grades, I need or otherwise I won\u0026#39;t get to the next year, the next, you know I won\u0026#39;t graduate, or I won\u0026#39;t get to the next year. And he says well, you know why is getting to the next year? And he said this will never end. This series of questions will never end. Right, and I was going through it and the proper answer is I\u0026#39;m here because that\u0026#39;s what I decided to do. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I heard someone. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That was my decision. Yeah, and he says, well, why was it your decision? And it says, it\u0026#39;s always my decision. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And that\u0026#39;s the end of the. That\u0026#39;s the end. You can\u0026#39;t go any further than that. So there\u0026#39;s something. There\u0026#39;s something decisive about decisions. That\u0026#39;s interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Rather than reasons. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, reasons. You know, reasons are never satisfactory. Decisions are yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Reasons. You know, reasons are never satisfactory, decisions are. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s so funny. I heard someone say C\u0026#39;s get degrees, that\u0026#39;s why. Why do they? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e try hard. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e C\u0026#39;s get degrees. Once you get into college, that\u0026#39;s all that matters. You don\u0026#39;t need your grades anymore, c\u0026#39;s get degrees. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, Ross, Remember Ross Perot? Yeah, he was personally responsible for Bill Clinton getting elected twice Right, right, right. But he gave. I think it was Yale Business School where he graduated from. He was called back, invited back to give a talk to the you know, the graduating members of the business club yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd he said I want all the I want all the C students to stand up, please. And all the C students stood up. And then he said now I want all the A students to stand up. And all the A students stood up. Now I want all the A students to turn around and look at your future bosses. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, yes, so funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, a students get hired, c students do the hiring, that\u0026#39;s right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s exactly right, so funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Partially right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know. That\u0026#39;s an interesting observation about Jordan, though. I recently saw a movie last week called Heretic and it\u0026#39;s got you and Babs would love it. It\u0026#39;s got Hugh Grant in the lead role and he plays a theological scholar and he lives in this, you know, old house and these two mormon girls come and knock at his door to tell him the good word, you know, and he invites them in and the whole movie is him dismantling, you know, showing all of their just having them question, all of the beliefs that got them to the point that they believe what they believe, you know, and it was really. The movie was fantastic. It was really only there\u0026#39;s really only three people in the movie. For 95% of the movie it all takes place in his house and it\u0026#39;s just so. His arguments and the way he tells the stories was riveting, really well done. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e How does it picture him as a person Smart? Obviously, oh, he\u0026#39;s smart. Is he happy he\u0026#39;s a soci? Can picture him as a person Smart? Obviously, oh, he\u0026#39;s smart Is he happy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e He\u0026#39;s a sociopath, he\u0026#39;s a murderer. He\u0026#39;s a serial killer, but that\u0026#39;s what he does is he\u0026#39;ll ask for info about the church and then people they\u0026#39;ll send someone and he traps them and goes through this whole thing. Very well done. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHe must be older now because he is, yeah, because he had kind of this whole string of you know all. He was Mr Romantic Comedy kind of guy, that\u0026#39;s his whole thing and this is quite a departure from that. But he plays the role so perfectly because he\u0026#39;s eloquent, he\u0026#39;s got that British accent, he\u0026#39;s aged very just, he\u0026#39;s distinguished looking now you know yeah, yeah you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s one of the sort of shockers to me, and it\u0026#39;s that you see someone you know and it\u0026#39;s in the present day. You know it\u0026#39;s on a video or something present day and you realize that he\u0026#39;s 40 years older than when you got used to him in the early stage and it sort of shocks me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, there\u0026#39;s a little bit shocking about we sort of freeze, frame somebody at the height of their career and then we don\u0026#39;t think about it for another 30, 40 years, and then we see him. I said, oh my god, what happened? Right? Exactly yeah yeah that\u0026#39;s what you would see about. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s what you would notice about. That\u0026#39;s what you would notice about Hugh Grant that it\u0026#39;s very in that level that you\u0026#39;ve seen, yeah, wow, but I imagine it\u0026#39;s like seeing Robert Redford and Clint Eastwood mature over all the time Jack Nicholson, for sure. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You\u0026#39;re not teaching. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you know, I mean it\u0026#39;s an interesting thing, I think, if we saw the person continually like there\u0026#39;s TV people, like I noticed that Chuck Woolery just died last week. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh he did. I didn\u0026#39;t know that. Wow, Great friend with Mark Young. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, mark had a great relationship with him and he was 83. You know, he died and suddenly it was in the lung illness. What happened? Was it heart? Yeah, whatever. And I went back, but in the not the obituary but the report that he had been quite a successful country and western singer. So I looked him up and there\u0026#39;s a couple of great YouTube videos of Chuck Woolery with Dolly Parton and he\u0026#39;s really good. He\u0026#39;s really good, yeah, wow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then he wrote a lot of country and western music and then he got his first gig in Hollywood. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Game show gig yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And he had like seven different successful shows in Hollywood. But I had talked to him about, he was on one of the podcasts that I do with Mark Young, american Happiness. It\u0026#39;s called American Happiness, and he was on, but I\u0026#39;d never known him in his previous life because I never watched television and so he was who he was. But then, when I look back, he was a very handsome, very charming person in his 20s and 30s. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s very interesting, you know, and the interesting thing about this is that we\u0026#39;re the people in this, you know, living in the 21st century, second decade of the 20s, we notice aging a lot more and I was thinking a couple hundred years ago people were just who they were, I mean, they got older and everything else, but we didn\u0026#39;t have photos. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We didn\u0026#39;t have photos. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We didn\u0026#39;t have recordings and that sort of shocks us a lot. It\u0026#39;s the impact of recorded memories that gives us more shocking experiences well, I find I mean I really do. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It feels like I\u0026#39;ve been saying for a while now I think I definitely think 70 is the new 50 is what it feels like in the. Yeah, you can observe it. And you can observe it like I think about when we were in scottsdale there, you know, just looking at between you at 80 and you know, peter thomas at 86 and and joel weldon at 83, I mean that\u0026#39;s not, those aren\u0026#39;t, that\u0026#39;s not your typical collection of octogenarians. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You\u0026#39;re not supposed to be operational at that age Right exactly Pretty wild, right, yeah? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And of course I was telling somebody the other day about your biological markers. What was your biological age? Is it 62? What was your biological age? Is it 62? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e 62,. Yeah, there\u0026#39;s one that throws it off for me, so David Hasse. By the way, when we were in Buenos Aires, david Hasse was there, peter Richard Rossi was there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And do you know, Gary Kaplan? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Richard\u0026#39;s doctor. Yeah, they were all there. We overlapped David just for basically one day, but Richard and. Gary staying at the Four Seasons? Oh, okay, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but the country feels different. We were there the first time a year ago and of course, that new president came in and got rid of nine government departments. They estimate he\u0026#39;s fired 75,000 civil servants in the first year. Yeah, which shows it can be done. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It shows that it can be done. Have you followed the El Salvador situation? So you know they have a young new president, for I forget how many years, but he was 37 when he was elected and he\u0026#39;s turned El Salvador around with kind of a zero tolerance on crime policy. Right, they\u0026#39;ve got one prison that has like 34,000 inmates. They\u0026#39;ve just they gather everybody up and they\u0026#39;ve leaned into not, it talks about human rights, but he\u0026#39;s he not. All human rights are valued equally in his mind. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHe said the right to live is valued above all else and that he\u0026#39;s leaned into making it more difficult for the problematic you know people then, yeah, criminals at the in favor of leaning into the majority of people that are not criminals, and so it\u0026#39;s been a complete turnaround and so he\u0026#39;s making all those right moves. Plus, he\u0026#39;s starting to look more and more like a hero, in that he was the first, one of the first, if not the first country to you know accept bitcoin and they\u0026#39;ve invested in coin. But he made. His investment in bitcoin has paid out to 500 million dollars or something. So it\u0026#39;s a pretty, pretty interesting cap. It\u0026#39;s an interesting story. You know what he\u0026#39;s been able to, what he\u0026#39;s been able to do, kind of like remember, wasn\u0026#39;t it rudy giuliani who went in, and or was it kotch who turned the city, turned new york city around by? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e not having. Yeah, it would have been Giuliani, it wasn\u0026#39;t actually. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe real story was that the major corporations in New York turned New York around. Giuliani, yeah, it was that new hires for the corporations where they had their headquarters didn\u0026#39;t want to come to New York because of the crime and there was about 100 major corporations, which would include the investment banks just got together, they put a council together and they more or less started telling the mayors what to do. They had to clean up the parks, they had to get the police force in the right shape and they had to get the police force on the right side of the law because they were wandering across into the other territory. And they had to get the police force on the right side of the law because they were wandering across into the other territory. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd they did it, and then Giuliani, you know, was someone who articulated the movement and everything. Koch was awful. Now Koch was. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, okay, so it was Giuliani. Yeah, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I was in when I got drafted in the Army in 65, you have basic training which is about two months, and then I went to advanced training and that was about two months and it was at Fort Dix, new Jersey, which is maybe an hour and a half hour and a half from New York City city. So I went in and it was pretty, you know, rough at the edges, I\u0026#39;ll tell you, you know the. You didn\u0026#39;t walk the streets at nighttime, I\u0026#39;ll tell you you. You know you made sure. And then I wasn\u0026#39;t there again until the 80s and then there had been, it was really starting to change the late 80s. Maybe it got a lot better. Yeah, it\u0026#39;ll. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;ll happen again. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s bad again, you know, because they\u0026#39;re into their second Democratic mayor and pretty bad. It\u0026#39;s pretty bad right now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e All the major cities. Now when you look at Los Angeles and San Francisco and Seattle and Chicago, yeah, Vancouver, I mean between the fentanyl and the homelessness, yeah, I saw something where they have everything locked up now Because I guess in California I think it\u0026#39;s like you can\u0026#39;t prosecute kind of crime under $1,000. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, kind of crime under $1,000. Yeah, people, there\u0026#39;s no disincentive to people going in and just stealing stuff. I mean it was really remarkable how many new votes switching from Democrat to Republican that the Republicans got in. You know, and I mean I looked at it\u0026#39;s one of the searches I did. And I mean I mean I looked at, it\u0026#39;s one of the searches I did and I said, of the top 50 cities in the United States population wise, how many of them are governed by the Democrats? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd it was like 44 out of 44 out of the top 50 and certainly the first 12,. You know, the top top 11. You know they\u0026#39;re not. They\u0026#39;re really not good at government right right, right right those we vote to govern aren\u0026#39;t really good at it yeah, I mean can you imagine kamala as president? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean no, I mean I mean, she blew through 1.5 billion really fast. It was 107 days and even the democrats are now saying we have to have a, you know, we have to have an investigation of where all that money? Because she had 1.5 and Trump had 390 million. That\u0026#39;s wild, isn\u0026#39;t it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, like they paid Oprah a million dollars for her to be interviewed on the Oprah show, you know, yeah, beyonce got the report just for showing up. She got a million. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eJust for showing up at an event, she got a million you know and the indications are that celebrity uh, you know testimonials had no impact on the election whatsoever maybe negative impact even. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, I mean taylor, mean Taylor Swift, taylor. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Swift. It was more Taylor Swift. It was more negative than positive. And I was telling you know, we have some great Taylor Swift fans in the company and I said she shouldn\u0026#39;t have done it and I said why she really believes this. I said if you\u0026#39;re a celebrity, especially a celebrity like her, it\u0026#39;s only downside. There can\u0026#39;t be any upside on this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, yeah, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I said it\u0026#39;s the third rail of the subway. You do not touch the third rail of the subway. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Wasn\u0026#39;t that? That\u0026#39;s remember. Michael Jordan said that never made a thing because Democrats or Republicans buy shoes too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e There\u0026#39;s just no upside for it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e There is none. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean it\u0026#39;s a different world. You\u0026#39;re the master of your own world. Do not go across the border into another world. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s not your world. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, right, right. But, it\u0026#39;s really funny. There was a report that immediately after Taylor Swift did her what do? You call it a recommendation referral. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Endorsement. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Endorsement. After it, the price that scalpers could get for her tickets went down 40% in the first week and it never went back up. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ll tell you what the taylor swift economy, dan, I came, I\u0026#39;m at the hazleton right now and I, when I arrived saturday, last saturday, it was, you know, full of, you know, swifties and their moms going to taylor\u0026#39;s last toronto concert on saturday night. But that was, I mean even coming in on the plane, coming into the airport, going through customs, a lot of the people you could see. They were all there to go to the concert that night. You know, flying in from all over to go see fans. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e She gave six in toronto. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s a big yeah, six in toronto and I guess our last three are in Vancouver. I think last night may have been the last of all of it. It\u0026#39;s interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We were in Buenos Aires. She was in Buenos Aires. She gave three concerts in Buenos Aires. She was staying at Four Seasons where we were In Buenos Aires. They had no reserve tickets at the stadium that big oh no 45th and they had, so there were people camped out three months before to get in first in line yeah, oh yeah, you know that\u0026#39;s wild. Yeah, I would love to see like the. It would take a lot to get me to walk across the street to watch something well, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But you know, what was really amazing was her releasing the movie that the. She\u0026#39;d had a. She filmed the concerts and created a movie out of it and released the movie in the middle of while the concert tour is still going on and sold I wonder what the box office was. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eUh, for the movie, you know, but what a brilliant. Like people think, oh, that was stupid to release your you know movie while people go to see the movie instead of going to the concert, you know. But I think it was exactly the opposite. I think it sold more, more tickets, built up desire, but yeah, she sold. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It did 103 million dollars at the box office for the movie and she\u0026#39;ll do it and she\u0026#39;ll do a bit, she\u0026#39;ll do a billion at the. You know I mean it. She\u0026#39;s the first billion-dollar tour. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, isn\u0026#39;t that something? I think it\u0026#39;s even more than that. There is tour ticket sales. Let\u0026#39;s see what? Because I think that U2 was the first billion-dollar tour 1.4 billion, that\u0026#39;s wild, isn\u0026#39;t it? Man form a band. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But Kamala did 1.5 billion spending. She\u0026#39;s the champ. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh man exactly Well. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean it was important, the world that she lives in, because she lives in a celebrity world, yes, you got to pay the celebrity, but it does diminish what I would say your sense of the committedness of the endorsers. That it\u0026#39;s got to be at least a million, or I don\u0026#39;t endorse it. It sort of tells you something about their actual commitment. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s true. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean the whole now now George Clooney is saying he\u0026#39;s having nothing to do with politics from now on and he\u0026#39;s blaming it on Obama that Obama got him to knife Biden. And I said this is a really good entertainment. This is really good entertainment yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, he\u0026#39;s, one of those that\u0026#39;s like wasn\u0026#39;t he one of the I\u0026#39;m leaving America if Trump wins? I mean, I wonder if anybody keeps track of all these. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, the only one so far is Ellen DeGeneres. She actually moved. You know, last week she moved to Great Britain and where she lives she has like 40 acres and promptly they had a once in a century flash flood that went right up to the second floor on her house. So I just want to tell you yeah that happened on Friday and Reed Hastings is saying he may leave but that the suspicion is because he\u0026#39;s on the Jeffrey Epstein flight to the Caribbean list. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, my goodness, which which that would be a good news week Epstein flight to the Caribbean list. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh my goodness, which that would be a good news week. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s big things in 2025 coming up. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e If they ever release the list of people who were on that flight, they know that Bill Clinton was on 30 times. Yeah, they already know that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think I saw something that Elon was saying too. They\u0026#39;re releasing the Diddy list and the Epstein list on January 20th or something. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Maybe the morning of the 21st yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But I think that\u0026#39;s what everybody\u0026#39;s big fear is. That\u0026#39;s why they were pulling out Like this is one of those. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And then if you were both on the jeffrey epstein list in the list, yeah, what if epstein was on the ditty list? But that was so you know the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know we\u0026#39;ve been mentioning how. You know the. The battle for our minds right is the. What I decided is the worst part about being alive at this time is the. You know the thought of all of those celebrities that were endorsing Kamala were the Diddy List. Basically, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Or one of the two or both. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And you know the speculation. You know why I think they\u0026#39;re mostly Democrats? Why? Because there\u0026#39;s way more scrutiny of Republicans. Well, that\u0026#39;s true, isn\u0026#39;t it? Yeah, oh no, I think if you\u0026#39;re a Republican politician, you have to be 10 times more careful than if you\u0026#39;re a Democrat, because the media are Democrat, and if the media have the goods on you and you\u0026#39;re a Democrat, they probably say no. Well, no, you know he\u0026#39;s doing a good job as a politician you know we should not approve that, but if he\u0026#39;s a Republican, no, it\u0026#39;s just a laptop. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s just a laptop. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s all. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Nothing to see here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, he had a bad day. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We all have bad days. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah. That\u0026#39;s why I suspect that the people on the list are, you know, are more on the one side than on the other. And it\u0026#39;s, yeah, but it\u0026#39;s. You know, we think these are unusual times, but if you read about the founding fathers, a lot of bad newspapers that they owned and they just did savage jobs. Other founders like Madison and Hamilton, just ripping each other. Oh yeah, just ripping each other, right? Oh yeah, I mean using language, that you\u0026#39;d get a lawsuit out of the language. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Imagine if we brought back duels. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that\u0026#39;s the other thing. They had duels. They had duels in those days yeah. Everything like that. Yeah, I think you really had to look carefully to find the good old days. Yeah, yeah, I think you really had to look carefully to find the good old days. Yeah, you have to look carefully. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh my goodness, that\u0026#39;s true. Yeah, I love this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, yeah, besides, people said, well, what if you could time travel back, knowing what you know now? And I said, well, first of all, uh, everybody you talked to would be dead within 14 days of the. You would be immune to every disease they had, but they wouldn\u0026#39;t be immune to your diseases right, yeah, wild right yeah, I mean the spanish and the aztecs. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, the Spanish were a thousand years ahead of them and developing immunity, and that\u0026#39;s what killed off the Aztecs. That\u0026#39;s what killed off the Incas was the disease that people just naturally brought with them and I mean they went from, you know, I don\u0026#39;t know what it was 10 million down to a million in about 50, 60 years. Well, they weren\u0026#39;t killed on the battlefield, they died of disease. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s the thing. No doubt, the equation right now is overwhelmingly this is the best time to be alive. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e These are the good ones. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, if you got your head right, if your head\u0026#39;s to be alive, these are the good ones. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e These are the good ones. These are good. Yeah, yeah, if you got your head right if you got your head right. If your head\u0026#39;s wrong, then it\u0026#39;s as unhappy as any time in history, you know like, but Jordan Peterson talks a lot of oh, tell about Jordan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e What were you going to say? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, he was just saying that\u0026#39;s basically. His message is that we\u0026#39;ve fallen out of touch with basic rules for living a good life. You know, and he said and this has developed over hundreds of thousands of years, you know, don\u0026#39;t do this, it never works. You know, and with you know, and people are saying, oh, do this. You know, it\u0026#39;s neat, it\u0026#39;s new, new and you can make money on it and everything like that he said, yeah, but it doesn\u0026#39;t really work. And basic morality, basic ethics save more than you spend. It\u0026#39;s a good rule generally, and don\u0026#39;t get your emotions going in the wrong direction, or it\u0026#39;s not going to work. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, so you know, and that\u0026#39;s it. I have a lot of conversations with you, know people who are very technology prone and they said you know we\u0026#39;re kind of changing human nature. And I said no, you\u0026#39;re not. No, you\u0026#39;re not. I said human nature is so deep you couldn\u0026#39;t possibly even understand what it is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd part of it is that we\u0026#39;ve been adjusting to technology forever. I mean, everybody thinks that technology started two centuries ago. Language is technology, mathematics is technology. That\u0026#39;s what my new book is about. Actually, my new book is about that, and it\u0026#39;s called you are a timeless technology. That okay if you\u0026#39;re improving. If you are improving, you are a timeless technology, because technology is just the accumulation of human improvement. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So if you\u0026#39;re improving. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You\u0026#39;re timeless. I love it I love it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I love it. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s great. Is that the book that\u0026#39;s just released now? You\u0026#39;ll get it tomorrow. Okay, perfect, I like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you\u0026#39;ll get it tomorrow. And I was just saying is that, when are you most yourself, when you\u0026#39;re improving? Yeah, you have a sense of improvement in this area. Yeah, You\u0026#39;re feeling good about yourself. You\u0026#39;re feeling in touch, you know you\u0026#39;re feeling centered. You\u0026#39;re feeling yeah, you\u0026#39;re feeling really great. I remember our who\u0026#39;s, our last, was it our last podcast? Yeah, because we didn\u0026#39;t do it when we were in Arizona, right, yeah, because we didn\u0026#39;t do it when we were in Arizona, and you introduced me to the idea of Charlotte and you described how Charlotte came into existence and you were very excited. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You were very excited. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I still am. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That kind of improvement. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e If you\u0026#39;re improving, you\u0026#39;re feeling great. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that\u0026#39;s true and I\u0026#39;ve really, how you know, this idea of the battle. For our minds it\u0026#39;s all that internal stuff and I\u0026#39;ve really started to realize, like to cordon off what is actually reality or affecting me in any way, you know, like the all of this distraction, all these uh news of you know, of conflict and all the conspiracies and all the doom and gloom and all of it is really outside of me. And if you can learn to stay kind of detached from that and realize that\u0026#39;s not really affecting my reality, yeah, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you know, it\u0026#39;s really, there\u0026#39;s Babs. Look at that. What\u0026#39;s all that, babs? I thought you had just purchased those. Anyway, one of the things that\u0026#39;s really interesting when 9-11 happened, we were in Chicago, babs and I were in Chicago, and we had two workshops in the coach center on that day and I had 60 and Adrian Duffy had 40. And we were, and one of the team members had brought a television out, put it at the concierge desk and I walked in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI said what\u0026#39;s that? And they said a jet had just hit the. I said get rid of that TV. They\u0026#39;re here for a workshop, they\u0026#39;re not going to be watching that, so anyway we did our usual preps for the workshop and I walked into my room and I said okay, here\u0026#39;s the deal. In the next hour you have to make a decision. You\u0026#39;re either here for the day or you\u0026#39;re leaving. Okay, don\u0026#39;t be halfway in between a decision as we\u0026#39;re going through the workshop. You\u0026#39;re 100% here or you\u0026#39;re 100% gone. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd our team will do everything they can to find you transportation. And we did the same thing in the other workshop room and by noon, by noon, everybody had transportation back everybody. And we had a guy who is a Buick dealer and he went to a Buick. Well, gm, it was GM, I think. They had Buick. Yeah, I think he had two or three different makes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e He had two or three. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So he went to them and he said I know a dealer here and I know a dealer in San Francisco and I\u0026#39;m just going to do a deal. If I buy the car here and sell it when I get there, what kind of deal do I get? Right, right, right. And I tell you not much, not many Buicks were sold on 9-11. Right, exactly. So the guy at this end went up 20% and the guy at the other end came down 20%. So it was not a bad deal and anyway he went there. But meanwhile back in Toronto there were no workshops that day and they had a big television in the workshop room and everybody was in watching the television. Our team in Chicago had no time, had no time whatsoever. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey were busy all day arranging things and everything. At the end of the day they weren\u0026#39;t scared. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e The people in toronto were petrified, were terrified yeah isn\u0026#39;t that wild like that that things that are happening at a distance that things that are happening at a distance. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe\u0026#39;re not using our brain, we\u0026#39;re only using our emotions that\u0026#39;s the truth, right like I look that I often point to that morning as a distinct, as a difference. I didn\u0026#39;t hear anything about what had happened until 1 o\u0026#39;clock in the afternoon. I was golfing that morning. We were literally like because there\u0026#39;s no, that was pre-iPhone, where you\u0026#39;d get texts and alerts and updates and constant like oh, what about this? Here\u0026#39;s what\u0026#39;s happening. So it was back in the days of flip phones. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know that you would turn off and put in your golf bag and enjoy your round of golf. So we did that and we went back to mike\u0026#39;s house and we\u0026#39;re sitting there, you know, in his backyard having lunch and his wife came in and said isn\u0026#39;t it terrible, what\u0026#39;s happening? And we\u0026#39;re like what\u0026#39;s happening? She goes what do you mean? What\u0026#39;s happening? Turn on the TV. Turn on the TV. That\u0026#39;s the thing. Right, it\u0026#39;s. Our natural thing is to turn to the TV to give us the updates, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And of course, they\u0026#39;re amping it up. They\u0026#39;re amping it up too. I mean, they\u0026#39;re not just showing you what\u0026#39;s happening, they\u0026#39;re telling you what it means and everything like that. You know, I think that\u0026#39;s why I don\u0026#39;t watch television, because there\u0026#39;s too many people trying to tell me how I\u0026#39;m supposed to feel about what they\u0026#39;re telling me. That\u0026#39;s a decision for me to make, how I\u0026#39;m going to feel about it. My mother was telling me that it was two days after Pearl Harbor that she found out about it. She lived in a farmhouse out in the country and they didn\u0026#39;t have a phone. It was 1941. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey didn\u0026#39;t have a telephone and there were no newspapers or anything. So anyway, yeah, it\u0026#39;s an interesting thing and I think this is education is a big deal about. Education is how you think about things and how you respond emotionally to your thoughts you know, and I think this has always been true. But I think now there are people who want to come right at you. It\u0026#39;s like you\u0026#39;re talking about. You know talking about horses. You know the beginning of our podcast. They\u0026#39;re listening. What did Dean just say? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Horses. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, here\u0026#39;s five ads. Here\u0026#39;s five ads for me. And you know, it\u0026#39;s not even somebody, it\u0026#39;s just an algorithm that\u0026#39;s doing the response. They\u0026#39;re coming after your brain, you know, your deciding brain, your buying brain. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e They\u0026#39;re coming after your buying brain, yeah what\u0026#39;s dean buying today? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e it\u0026#39;s so funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, that\u0026#39;s the thing. Right like that\u0026#39;s, I must be in the market for a horse or horse stuff, you know yeah, well, you just bought yourself a good hour, mr jackson that was a great hour and in approximately six hours I will see you for a hundred minutes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, and then tomorrow for even more Two full days. Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I like it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e All right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, Dan, I will see you in a little bit. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ll be in Chicago. I\u0026#39;ll be in Chicago next week, so we\u0026#39;ll have a podcast next week. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, good, I like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, see you tonight. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Bye, okay, bye. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"Our latest episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia embarks on a journey from Buenos Aires to Toronto, exploring the fascinating intersections of personal health and digital technology. \r\n\r\nWe share candid experiences with stem cell treatments and physical therapy while examining the curious phenomenon of seemingly omniscient digital devices. Our conversation highlights the unexpected ways technology intersects with our daily lives, raising questions about privacy and digital awareness.\r\n\r\nInspired by Jordan Peterson's insights, we dive into productivity strategies and the art of structured thinking. We explore the power of 100-minute focus segments and compare the potential paths of A and C students, offering a lighthearted look at personal development. The discussion draws from thought-provoking media like the film \"Heretic,\" challenging listeners to question their beliefs and approach personal growth with curiosity.\r\n\r\nWe conclude by investigating the complex world of celebrity influence in politics.","date_published":"2025-01-01T08:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/fc6a92de-197f-4cf3-ab6c-01502a870ea5.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":48966873,"duration_in_seconds":2969}]},{"id":"6c38c131-5225-4714-a737-7440aab4f0a2","title":"Ep140: Exploring Innovation and Networking","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/140","content_text":"Our latest episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia offers an intimate look at the Genius Network annual event in Scottsdale, featuring extraordinary conversations with prominent figures like Bobby Kennedy, Jordan Peterson, and Tucker Carlson. \n\nWe explore the unexpected appointment of Robert Kennedy Jr. as Secretary of Health and Human Services and share insights from a key OpenAI representative, examining how technology subtly maintains existing societal structures.\n\nThe episode delves into the evolving nature of professional gatherings, highlighting the power of meaningful connections over traditional networking. We discuss the intricate art of event planning, sharing personal strategies for managing commitments and overcoming challenges like ADD. Our conversation reveals the importance of structured scheduling and intentional approaches to daily productivity.\n\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\n\n    I reflected on our experiences at the Genius Network annual event in Scottsdale, where notable figures like Bobby Kennedy, Jordan Peterson, and Tucker Carlson contributed to the discussions.\n  The appointment of Robert Kennedy Jr. as Secretary of Health and Human Services was an unexpected but significant topic of conversation during the event.\n  We discussed the role of technology in maintaining the status quo, drawing parallels to historical innovations like the \"horseless carriage.\"\n  The importance of networking and making meaningful connections was emphasized, highlighting how such interactions often hold more value than the content itself at events.\n  Organizing large events requires meticulous logistical planning, often years in advance, to manage various commitments and schedules.\n  I shared insights on managing ADD through structured schedules, which serve as an essential tool in overcoming daily challenges.\n  The humorous dynamics of Robert Kennedy's collaboration with Donald Trump were explored, alongside lighter topics like meal planning and scheduling.\n  We reflected on aging and the limitations it imposes, while discussing strategies to remain active and maintain cognitive health.\n  The episode highlighted the challenges of maintaining personal ambitions and adapting to changes as we age.\n  The podcast wrapped up with reflections on the role of technology and the evolving nature of political and personal dynamics in today's world.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean: Mr Sullivan. \n\nDan: Yes, mr Jackson, and I hope it will be copied. I hope it will be copied and sent virally around the world, this podcast. I hope, millions. \n\nDean: To all the corners of Clublandia. \n\nDan: Yes, yes. \n\nDean: Yes, well, what a whirlwind tour for both of us here, I think. Where are you? Are you back in Toronto right now? \n\nDan: Next to the fireplace. \n\nDean: Okay, I like that. \n\nDan: That's great, which is needed today. It's getting cool. I'm going to be. \n\nDean: I like it, but I like it. I'm coming up on Friday, I think. \n\nDan: This week Yep and then return to be yeah, I think this week, yep, and then return to be yeah, I'm coming, I'll be in Argentina. Yeah, yeah, next week I'll be in. \n\nDean: Argentina Right, yeah, I'm doing, I'm coming up on Friday, I'm doing a breakthrough blueprint on Monday, tuesday, wednesday, and then we have coach the following Monday, tuesday, right. \n\nDan: Yeah, and I'm flying back on friday night from argentina, so I won't be um back in my house, probably till about three o'clock on saturday. \n\nDean: so oh my goodness, so we're gonna miss our table time yeah, I'll see you on sunday. \n\nDan: I'm sorry. I'm sorry, but some things come in front of other things. \n\nDean: Exactly right, I have three ideas this week. \n\nDan: I have three ideas this week. I was just going to say where do we start? \n\nDean: We should probably mention that we just got back from Scottsdale and Joe's annual event, the Genius Network annual event, which was really another level. I mean, he's really gone above and beyond and on Saturday he pulled off something I don't think anybody's been able to pull off. He had Bobby Kennedy and Jordan Peterson and Tucker Carlson and Cali Means all on the same stage and I'll tell you what he has really grown as a conversationalist I don't even want to call him an interviewer because it was really, you know, that level of he's just the right amount of curious and unpredictable in the conversation that it's fascinating. \n\nHe's not asking them the stock questions that would come. You know that you would expect, but it was amazing. I think everybody was very, was very impressed with how the event went off yep, yeah, I. \n\nDan: The takeaway for me one is that we saw robert kennedy on saturday and then on on Wednesday, was it? Or Thursday? Wednesday, I think it was Wednesday he was appointed the secretary of health. Yes, human service, human services, and I think that's a big deal. \n\nDean: I do too. It's, yeah, very, very impressive. Yeah, you know what's funny about that event is that the you know impressive. You know what's funny about that event is that we also had the head of GoToMarket for OpenAI, which was kind of like a that's a pretty big role, but it was downplayed by Zach Cass. Zach Cass, the guy that spoke oh, were you there on Sunday? He spoke on Sunday morning. No, we came there on Sunday. He spoke on Sunday morning. No, we came home on Sunday. Oh, okay, that's why. So, yeah, so the head of go-to-market, one of the original guys for OpenAI, was there and it was so funny that became. You know, he was kind of like the undercard, if you want to call it that, right, oversadowed by the blockbuster Saturday, but he himself was that's a pretty, that's a pretty big get to have too. \n\nSo, very, very interesting. \n\nDan: He was like in the 10th race at Woodbine you know the sore horses race later. \n\nDean: So well, I had three, three ideas. \n\nDan: Well, first of all, I had a nice introduction by Joe to Jordan Peterson. It turns out that he lives about a four-minute drive from us in the beaches oh wow, that's amazing. \n\nWe're going to get together and he and his wife invited us to their Christmas party. So Christmas party, yeah, very, you know, very lively, engaging, smart, good sense of humor and everything. I enjoyed meeting him, but I had three ideas that I've been pondering all week. Okay, and more and more, I think that the humans use technology to keep things the same I think you're right, and even referring to it as the thing it's replacing. \n\nDean: I remember hearing that about when automobiles first came out. They were called them horseless carriages. Right that, that's really what the thing was. Our only, our only frame of reference for the new is in how it relates to the past. \n\nDan: Or relates to the present. Yeah, the present, that's what I mean, yeah, and if our present is under threat, we will adapt a new technology to keep ourselves more or less where we were. Yeah, and I've just been pondering this this is not a major thought, but it's a side thought that thought that we use technology to keep things the same. And what was the side thought now? Well, that was a quick one, that was a quick one. \n\nThat one just flew out of my head, but I had a second thought too, and I was watching a really interesting podcast yesterday with Peter Thiel, who you know, and you know one of the co-creators of PayPal. One of the co-creators of PayPal and he's the creator of Planteer, which is a deep, dark, secret R\u0026amp;D lab for the government. And Barry Weiss, who was a columnist for the New York Times, who was let go because she started exhibiting independent thoughts. \n\nDean: I hate it when that happens. \n\nDan: Well, you know, you just can't be doing that at the New York Times. You really have to go with the party thoughts. You know the thoughts. But he was saying that what the election sort of indicated for him, election sort of indicated for him the presidential election of last week, was that in the internet world it's almost impossible to be a successful hypocrite. \n\nAnd that is if you say something to this group and then go across the street and say a completely different thing to another group that you used to be able to get to the, maybe not across the street but, let's say, cities 300 miles apart or anything you could get away with. You could get away with it, but the internet now makes that more or less impossible. It's increasingly difficult to be a hypocrite. You know where you try to play both sides of an issue. \n\nDean: Yeah, well, because the internet is very, they love to identify and call those out. I mean, I remember I mentioned to you that Kamala, you know, there was a video going around that was Kamala speaking out of both sides of her mouth about Hamas and Israel. And yeah, I mean, it was just, you know, because they were running the ads in different thinking they would get away with it, because they're running one in Pennsylvania and one in Michigan or wherever. \n\nDan: Yeah, right, that would be great, that would be a good thing. Yeah, and I was thinking the fact that almost all the celebrities that came out in her favor were to do so. Mm-hmm. \n\nDean: Oh, yeah, like. \n\nDan: Oprah got a million to do an interview with her. Beyonce, I've heard, got 10 million just to show up at a rally 10 million. Didn't have to do anything. \n\nDean: That's wild, isn't it? \n\nDan: Yeah, and she had a billion dollars to spend and she ended up 20 million in debt Over. Oh man. \n\nDean: Yeah, in debt. \n\nDan: Yeah, but if that had been done 20 years ago, that might not have been discovered as quickly, maybe not at all. It might not have been discovered at all. So it's just getting very difficult to be a hypocrite. I mean, you used to be able to make a lifetime career out of being a hypocrite, and now it wouldn't last more than 24 hours. \n\nDean: Yeah, I remember. \n\nDan: It's a career with a short future. \n\nDean: Yeah, there was a meme going around about listing the people who had endorsed Donald Trump, joe Rogan and Elon Musk and Bob Kennedy and all these people, and then it was the people who endorsed Kamala was the Diddy List, you know so funny. \n\nDan: Yeah, so my first. So I've had three thoughts. First one was technology. We use technology to keep things the same. Number two it's getting more difficult to be a hypocrite. Number three is I've discovered what the greatest individual ambition can be. Tell me To be more ambitious. \n\nDean: It's the gift that keeps on giving. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: That's the number one. \n\nDan: Just next year, just next year. Be more ambitious. Be more ambitious next year than you are this year, and that's all you have to handle. It'll take care, it's the one goal that takes care of everything. I don't want to own just the land that's next to mine yeah, yes, because that I've given a lot of thought to goals, but almost all of them they're one and done, you know yeah you've achieved the goal and then you know, then it's gone. \n\nBut uh, if your, your ambition is simply to be always more ambitious, I think that handles a lot of endings. \n\nDean: Yeah, absolutely. I think that's funny. It's almost like a cheat code you know, I think that's great. I see, there's a. I mean, what a never-ending like a perpetual improvement cycle improvement cycle. \n\nDan: Yeah, well it's, it's always. It's a kind of interesting thing because I'm trying to figure myself out at ajd that I've got bigger things I'm working. I've got bigger things I'm working on. I'm I'm working, working with people who are doing bigger and bigger things and you know and everything else, and I said what accounts for, and I said your ambition is to be more ambitious. \n\nDean: Well, that's your print, right, your print is. \n\nDan: Well, it's seven. Three, I mean it's three is success and achievement Right? Seven, seven, you have seven. It's enjoying life and having a good time. \n\nDean: Yeah, bigger parties, yeah, bigger parties. \n\nDan: Yeah, revenues, bigger parties. \n\nDean: Bigger revenues. \n\nDan: bigger parties, that's fantastic. \n\nDean: I love it. \n\nDan: So anyway, I'm going to do a triple play on those three and see what I come up with. I think there's, but I just feel that things are really shifting. I think there's, but I just feel that things are really shifting. I got a sense that, yeah, peter, peter Thiel very bright, very bright very very thoughtful, very thoughtful person and but he had a comment that he thinks that Bud Light. You know, remember the Bud Light. He thinks that was the end of the 20th century. He said that at that moment, the 20th century ended and the 21st century began. \n\nAnd he said that he feels that the Democrats are now the Bud Light Party. \n\nDean: Oh man, well, and so that, yeah, I mean. \n\nDan: You wonder now Well, you think about it that the reason that got them thrown out of power is the reason why they won't learn anything from getting thrown out of party, because they feel superior, intellectually superior morally superior and that would prevent them from actually saying well, maybe you are not Right, but your sense of superior prevents you from realizing that maybe you're not. \n\nThey've kind of twisted themselves into a knot. Yeah, because I'm. You know, I watch the replays on. You know that they have an article, but then they'll have a link to a video. And Real Clear Politics is my favorite video and on real clear politics is my favorite, and you go on and you could just tell that the Democratic Party right now is very disappointed with American citizens. \n\nDean: They're very disappointed. \n\nDan: They're very disappointed with the quality of citizens in the United States right now and they're saying how do we get a different kind of voter? What we need is a different kind of voter. It's very clear that the kinds of voters we have right now are not delivering. \n\nDean: We need more. \n\nDan: Yeah, let's get some more Vansuelen gang members in here. \n\nDean: Oh man. So what was your insights or thoughts from the Genius Network annual event? You're not a notetaker. No, me neither. I'm exactly like that. I know that whatever insight I get, if it's strong enough to stay with me, that's the insight you know. \n\nDan: Well, my big one and you already brought it up in the conversation. I told Joe at dinner that you know we had the dinner on Saturday night and I said I think you've just jumped 10 times I said I think what you did, today is a 10 times jump and I said tomorrow morning what you did today is going to feel normal to you. \n\nDean: And to everyone else. I think that's really the great thing. You know, like his whole and he said it too each year his goal is to make it a better event than the last, and so that's very yeah, that's very interesting. \n\nDan: Yeah, the other thing is that I kind of told him this was last year, so this was the annual meeting for last year, and when he invited Robert Kennedy Jr last year. I said to him I just want you to know whether you've just entered the political world when you make an invitation like this, whether you like it, you know whether you like it or not, or whether you agree or not, you're now in the political world. \n\nDean: So you got to be aware of that, yeah, and even though and even though Jordan Peterson, not per se political, but certainly in a different, not business like you know, the events have evolved from you know almost all business, like you know marketing and you know entrepreneur type of things more to a different level of event. It's interesting, I was looking through, but it's magic what happens actually at the event. It's not about the content of the event. \n\nIt's being in the room surrounded by the Genius Network and I think I really got on another level, the purpose of the annual event versus the meetings, the yearly or monthly meetings, and you know it was very. I had a gentleman from Toronto who actually sat beside me on the first day and you know he was there primarily for the business stuff. The marketing really needed that help and you know I had to kind of help reframe that because if that was the number one reason you were there, there wasn't a lot of that at the actual event, you know. But what there was and this is what we said is that but we got to meet and that's, you know there's, that's part of the thing is that's the, that's the way to get that, what you actually need you know, yeah, yeah, anyway, it's just interesting. \n\nDan: I think the first one I ever went to was in new york yeah, right the annual meeting I think he had. Joe had a couple of those in new New. York, yeah, and then, and then he had one in California, two two in. California actually he had the one where Richard Branson came yeah by uh, hollywood it was, I think it was actually it was in. Yeah, yeah, I always remember he had that. And then the second one was at Pelican Hill down in Newport. \n\nDean: Beach. \n\nDan: Newport, right yeah, and then they moved them to Scottsdale. And that was the right place. \n\nDean: Yeah, it really is. It's perfect, it fits. And this one how convenient was this? Right across the street from his house. \n\nDan: Yeah, how convenient was this? Right across the street from his house? Yeah, and we're doing the summit, the Free Zone Summit, right across the street from where we were. \n\nDean: Right next door. \n\nDan: Desert shadows right across the street. Yeah yeah, scottsdale really works. I mean, you can get there on a single flight from almost anywhere. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: And the weather is usually good and, yeah, it's nice. \n\nDean: Next year you've already got everything mapped out. You're always a year a full year ahead. \n\nDan: Generally, with events like that, I'm you're ahead With our personal schedule. We're usually three years ahead, oh my goodness Wow. Well, it's because of the workshops. \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: You have to figure every year you're going to have a certain number of workshops and they're going to be at a certain period of each quarter. \n\nDean: So we have that. \n\nDan: That's already logged in and we pretty well know that. I mean, then there's all sorts of things. I mean you have free days, but the free days move around in terms of what you're going to do with the free days, and I've got a book to do every quarter and I've got podcasts to do every quarter. I've got workshops to do every quarter. So've got podcasts to do every quarter, I've got workshops to do every quarter. So that gives it a pretty much of a go forward structure a nice cadence, yeah. \n\nDean: Structure scaffolding yeah yeah, or as uh ned holland would call it, the bobsled run yeah, I don't experience. \n\nDan: A I don't experience, add the way that describes it how so? \n\nDean: so how do you mean? \n\nDan: Well, I'm not super, I'm not hyperactive. \n\nDean: Me neither. \n\nDan: Yeah, so not, and you know, so I don't experience. I know that that exists and that's you know, it's a great part of ADD. Mine is I would characterize it what I think. What I think is the most important thing, subject to change on a fairly frequent basis, gotcha. \n\nDean: Yeah, and how you know, you seem to you know I've adopted, or was introduced to. You know, russell Barkley's interpretation of ADD, which totally seemed to fit for me. I saw it in the clearest light that I've ever seen it or had the most understanding of it as an executive function. \n\ndisability- and it was a really elevated way of thinking about it, as a you know you talked about it as a true, like a neuro degenerative disability, that it's not anything that you can will your way out of or that you can. You know, it's not a character issue or a weakness or anything like that, it's just the true physical, neurological disconnection between the two parts of your brain and I. Really, when I embraced that or, as I'm, it's still a journey of embracing it and realizing that the things that, that the ways that manifests for me is it really is when I'm left on my own to self-direct what I'm going to do with a big block of time. And it's been very, you know, it's been fascinating because my whole paradigm for the way that I've lived and set up my life is to try at all times to keep my schedule free so that I would have time to do all the things that I want to do, all the creative things, you know. But the reality is that the only things that ever get actually done are things that have that external scaffolding, things like podcasts and workshops and Zoom appointments, and the things that are synchronous and scheduled and involve other people, and there's no way around it. \n\nIt's like, as much as I want to be able to think that I could clear off three hours in the morning and just sit and write or, to you know, create or to do something, it's very uphill because I'm very slippery, without the structure of someone being on the other end of the phone at 11 am on saturday or sunday morning. You know, I know I never miss and it's like those things that it's and I'm never. I never find, I never struggle with add in the moment. I always, once I'm engaged and into something, I'm able to give that thing my focus, like I'm not distracted while we're doing. \n\nDan: Yeah, my experience would be you're the. My experience is that you're fully there. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: When you're there. \n\nDean: When I'm there Exactly. \n\nDan: It's so funny, but if I need to be there, who's the who's the person? Who's the person that described this? \n\nDean: for you, barkley, yeah, russell barkley. He's a contemporary colleague of of ned hollow. Well, they know each other very well they. And Russell Barkley actually has a series of videos that describe the things that he and Ned disagree on, the different approaches to two things, but they're both like totally fully respect the other. \n\nYou know that's a big thing but for me that that explanation and that you know set of the way he described it, is that every intervention or everything that works has to be external and it can't be. You know, it's nothing internal like willing yourself or character changing or anything like that. It's really we need to treat it and to the extent that we treat it like a true disability and then make accommodations for it, like if you, he would say, if we treated it like you would never say to a paraplegic it's right over there, just get up and walk over there, it's only a few paces yeah, because you know that it's a physical impossibility for them to do that, but in the morning walk, first thing in the morning walk a mile yeah, exactly, if that's the thing, then that's going to be a problem right but, \n\nthat's going to be a problem, yeah, but but if you acknowledge it as a disability and you said, okay, how about we get you a chair with wheels and then we'll put a motor on it and you can just point where you want to go and you'll get to where you're going, that's an accommodation for the disability and that's kind of what he's saying, that this external scaffolding like the way you know what I admire about your calendar so much is that you have all the things that you do are really supported by that external scaffolding. There's not a lot, of excuse me, like you know, you have used to be 150. How many workshop days do you have? \n\nDan: now? Well, there are 60 days when I'm doing workshop activities, but a lot of them are two hour sessions or not eight hour sessions, and those are all on the calendar and oh yeah, those are, yeah, those go way into the future. \n\nDean: Yeah, and they're all. I find that too, that they're all very, they're procrastination proof, because you have to show up like you know there's no way, it's really is just accepting it and you know, leaning into that structure as much as I, as much as I can, yeah yeah, it's really, it's kind of interesting. \n\nDan: I was just bouncing his words off of. \n\nYou know my own experience of being add and you know, clinically, I've been diagnosed, so you know it's, uh, you know it's, it's a real thing, and but mine is more that I actually I don't, and this relates to you. It doesn't relate to you know. So, barkley, so much it relates to you that my goal is to have my schedule filled up the night when I go to bed the night before. I want my schedule filled up for the, so I don't have to think about it when I get up in the morning it's all right, it's all set, yeah and but then I get over time. \n\nI get very discriminating about the quality of the things that are filling up my time. There's little adjustments that have to be made because I've got a great scheduler. Becca Miller is my scheduler and she's just terrific, but she can't do my thinking for me. For example, last weekend we were at Genius Network and then we came home on a Sunday. I don't like coming home on a Sunday. That's the way it was scheduled, that's the way it was scheduled. \n\nSo I came home on schedule and then Monday was just packed and I said OK, we got to put a new rule in. \n\nDean: If I come back on Sunday. \n\nDan: There can't be anything on Monday, yeah, and we could see that six months ahead, you know we could see that, and so I have little conversations. This is the rule. And then on Friday, both Babs and I had Zoom calls after four o'clock, you know, one at five o'clock, one at six o'clock and I was going through the experience. I said, okay, no, no commitments after four o'clock on Friday. Right, yeah, but these are just little adjustments, you know these are just little adjustments that you make. \n\nAnd then I, you know, I sit down with her and I said let's just put a couple of new rules in. You know, if I come back on a sunday, I can't have anything on a monday. And then you know nothing after four on friday and everything like that. You know. \n\nDean: And you know, it's just I. \n\nDan: you know I was sitting, I was going through it, I I will fulfill the commitment, but as I'm going through it and I said I don't really like that, I not that I don't like the thing that I'm doing. I don't like doing it at this particular time, right. \n\nDean: And the other. Thing is. \n\nDan: I like being in Toronto on Saturday and having Toronto Saturday Day and this last year we've had more things that took away our Toronto Saturdays and I said we've got to look ahead now and look at all the Saturdays going out for a year and a half and to the most part, let me have that in Toronto, be in Toronto. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's such a great. So you really Saturday is like a free day. I like it. Yeah, I just like it. Yeah, I just like it. \n\nDan: Yeah, I just like it. Why do you want that? I really like it. \n\nDean: Because I want it. That's right. I want what I want, yeah. \n\nDan: I want what I like. Yes, yeah. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's good. Well, I'm just going through the process right now, like embracing that. My goal is to shape my calendar for next year ahead for the whole, for the whole year. And that's yeah, that's really the. That's really the thing I tend to run really like about a quarter ahead. You know some things. I know when they are like, I know when and it's funny because they become the big rocks in my calendar in terms of like I appreciate that you know when the strategic coach workshops are, so I know to work around those. \n\nAnd I know when the annual event is and I know when our free zone summit is and I put those in you know, and I always tend to kind of work, I've had a tendency to kind of keep the time, keep the options open for the other times and I but I don't take that same thing of locking in my own events with with the same priority or consistency, you know. \n\nDan: Well, I think I share that with you, that if it's just internal, you know it's me having a meeting with myself, or an activity. I'm much more negotiable with that than if it's external. I really grasp that what you're talking about there. You know I like and I like it, and that's why, you know, I try to be 100% on my commitments. Yes, if I say I'm going to be there, I'll be there. If I say I'm going to do this. I'll do it yeah. \n\nDean: Yeah Well, that's rule number one Show up on time. \n\nDan: Yeah, do what you say you're going to do. \n\nDean: That's right. I'm the same way With commitments to others. I'm exactly the same right. I'm the same way With commitments to others. I'm exactly the same way. I'm very reliable, yeah. So it's a good journey. \n\nDan: I was just reflecting. I want to give you a little progress report. I've really switched over to eating steak, having steak Do you know how I'm? I've really switched over to eating steak, you know having steak. Do you know how much time it saves you? It's incredible how much time that you save if you just eat steak. \n\nDean: Well, the great news is I'm it sure, simplifies shopping. Absolutely. That's exactly right. My favorite staple is the thin cut ribeyes, and I know that I can do them in the air fryer they're very juicy. \n\nDan: Oh, that's exactly right. I would do it just to squeeze the juice out of them. Oh man, that's so funny that juice is to live for, I'll tell you, yes, yes. The Babs. She'll sometimes put the steak on the plate and there's a lot of juice that comes out. \n\nDean: You want me to pour that? \n\nDan: I said no, that's the point of the meal Pour that on there, that's right. \n\nDean: That was so funny, that restaurant that we went to in scottsdale the end. \n\nDan: Isn't that a great really great and I love babs. \n\nDean: Two extra steaks to go. That was really yeah, that's great. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But boys that simplify your life, I mean I used to go to whole foods I get my haircut on in new york, new yorkville, it's right across from the court season. \n\nDean: It's kenny connor from the. I used to go to Whole Foods. I get my haircut in. \n\nDan: New Yorkville. It's right across from the Court Seasons. It's Kenny Connor from the Court Seasons where I get my haircut and I go down to the end of Scholar's, and that's where the Hilton. Lanes, are you? Know, and the Whole Foods is in there and I used to go in every Saturday and I'd walk around 15, 20 minutes buying this that I shouldn't eat, buying this that I shouldn't eat I shouldn't eat and take a bottle home and eat some of them and throw the rest out and everything else, and now we have a bruno's. \n\nDo you know bruno's in? \n\nDean: toronto it goes back. \n\nDan: It goes back 50 years yeah and uh, they have great meat department and we go in and the guy says same as usual, same as usual, yep, yep, except twice as much and hey gets it, you know. \n\nDean: So yeah, it's really good yeah I was shocked about pusseteri's closing right there well, they didn't close. \n\nDan: They're opening in one of those new buildings. Yeah, they had a. It was a shitty space where they were. \n\nDean: Yeah, it was kind of awkward right. \n\nDan: Yeah, very tiny space. So now they have it the way they wanted it. \n\nDean: Okay, so they're still in, they're still on the island. They're closed for probably a year no but I mean they're going to be still in Yorkville. Yeah, Right on the island, yeah, yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: So they'll have a huge space because their main store is up at Lawrence Avenue Road and that's like you know, it's a regular size supermarket. But they had this tiny little space and you know it didn't work in any way. It was just. I mean, first of all, you're paying 25, 10, 15% more if you shop at a suppository, but the whole quality of the experience was not up to what they were charging. \n\nYeah, I went in there and they put in automatic checkouts and I said wait a minute. Now you're putting me charging. Yeah, I went in there and they put in automatic checkouts and I said wait a minute. \n\nDean: Now you're putting me on. \n\nDan: You're charging me 15% too much, and now you're putting me on staff. That's so funny. \n\nDean: It's exactly right. \n\nDan: Now I have to do checkout for you. I said no and I just stopped. I just stopped. I said I'm not going back here. That was during. And then some guy corrected me that my mask was too low on my face and I said I no, I can't. I, I can't put myself in this type of situation where I get the mask. Police are in pusitories, you know oh no, that's no good. \n\nAnd that was all for nothing. You know, I mean that. Quote that comment. Was it Callie Means? It was either Robert Kennedy or Callie Means. The average age of people who died during COVID. Did you catch that one? I did not. What was it? 81. At 81, you ask them for a refund. \n\nDean: Right, oh, my goodness. \n\nDan: I mean it's three years beyond expiry. \n\nDean: Yeah right. \n\nDan: I wonder how much of that you know. \n\nDean: Though you look at, I think that 80 is the new 60, it feels like in a lot of ways. I feel that yeah, because you look at, you know, just even in that one little environment there, you know, Peter Thomas is 86 there. \n\nDan: Yeah, and I was 80. \n\nDean: Joel Weldon at 83. I mean, yeah, that's, those are not normal octogenarians. You know very, you know it's just and I think you see it now. You know it's just and I think you see it now. You know it's happening more. \n\nDan: Well, and I think the other thing is that the retirement age, if I understand the logic of it, was to get the older people out of the factories, so that you wouldn't have a lot of unemployed young people. \n\nBismarck in Germany that was, you know that was the first government that had a retirement program and a retirement policy. Now, with the low birth rates, you're going to want to keep the people in the workplace as long as you possibly can, so you're going to have a lot of 70 and 80-year-olds not retiring. First of all. I mean they've got a lot of 70 and 80 year olds not retiring. Yeah, first of all, I mean they've got a lot of experience and there's, um, you know it's, you know it's. Just, I thought immediately where I sat most was with pearson airport and air canada, the two experiences that go along together. And so, pearson airport, you have a lot of very skilled people who make sure that everything is, you know, good with the terminal, everything's working with the terminal, plus the you know, baggage is. \n\nYou know the big thing, you know getting stuff off the planes really fast, getting it to the right, you know, to the right luggage rack and everything and everything. And then Air Canada, the ticketing, you know the ground crew and everything like that. And I noticed immediately that they had lost two levels of skill. Immediately during COVID, they bought off all their really high-priced pilots, they bought off all their cabin attendants, they bought off all the ticketing people, you know. You know they were like 60 they have mandatory retirement 65 and they just bought them off at 60 and it was very abrupt and it was total. And so you had people who were serving you and they were basically doing their job out of the job manual. You know they do this Well. That doesn't really give you high quality. \n\nDean: Yeah, I mean the whole. Did you happen to see any highlights from the Mike Tyson fight the other night? \n\nDan: No, I didn't. I didn't, I just knew he slapped him. \n\nDean: Yeah, that was all leaving up to it. That was the way in when he stepped on his. \n\nDan: That made sure that both of them got $30 million oh exactly. \n\nDean: Well, that's, but I think what happened was that Jake stepped on his toe is what happened, and he slapped him, but the fight was uneventful. I mean, it was really. \n\nDan: He won on points. Right he won on points. Jake Paul won on points. \n\nDean: Yes, exactly, and but it was. It was sad to see Mike Tyson, you know, at 58, he really did look old like, even in his movements and the way it's like that was, it was something you could really tell the difference between 27 and 58, you know. And that's you wonder, like that's yeah, he's in peak physical condition for a 58 year old. \n\nDan: Yeah, but it was just yeah, but your muscles are slow yeah, that's what I mean. \n\nDean: He looked kind of no, your, no, your muscles just slowed down. \n\nDan: Yeah, it was really interesting because I haven't run and I started running, just, you know, some attempt because of my knee. Yeah, and you know a 50-year-old injury to my knee to run again, so I was. We have quite a good size dock at the lake up north. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: And so what I do is I have a rule that three seconds after I take off my sneakers, I'm in the water. I have to be in the water. \n\nDean: You've got to do it. Take them off One, two, three go, otherwise it'll take forever. \n\nDan: And so what? I do it at the back of the dock and I have maybe 15 feet, 15 feet, and so the moment, the thing off. I just run for the front and I jump, I jump into the water and Babs took a video of it and I looked at it and I said you don't show this to anybody, it's not. I said I am really slow, I'm really slow, I'm really slow. Yes, and part of it. You know I'm recovering from an injury. \n\nDean: But part of it is just, I got 80-year-old muscles, you know, and they're not fast you have the memory of you know I mean you have 20-year-old tennis memories of how fast you were. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's so funny you know so funny. That's a nice memory, but it's not a present experience, that's going to be absolutely true. \n\nDean: It's so funny that you mentioned that is because when I was watching Mike Tyson, I was thinking to myself that's one of my aspirations. I'd love to, as I continue to lose weight and get more mobile, that I would like to you know for your running, that's my thing is to be able to get back to to play tennis well, you were in the top hundred. \n\nDan: You were in the top hundred, weren't you amateur? \n\nDean: no, not that high, but I was very, at a very high level. But but the you know. But to be able to get to that, knowing that my mind knows what it's like to be a 20-year-old tennis player, my mind and my muscle memory still knows exactly what to do in those situations, but it's going to be. As I watched Mike Tyson, I realized, and it's every now. And as I watched Mike Tyson, I realized, you know, and it's every now and then I'll watch these guys, I'll watch on YouTube, I'll watch some, like you know, 55 plus. You know, tennis matches are 60 plus, even them by age groups, you know. So I've been watching the 60 plus and it's amazing to see how brittle brittle is a good word, will appear to be yeah, well, the other thing you know, like the mile run you know the world record right now is three, three, four, I think 17,. \n\nDan: You know 17 seconds under four minutes. But the oldest person in history to ever run a sub four is Amin Coughlin, irishman. I think he was at one of the East Coast United States universities and then he raced after that, but he was 43 and nobody over 43 has ever run a four minute mile. \n\nHow's Daniel doing with his getting back to you know, he's in the five he's in the five minutes, five, five, five, 40, you know, and and one of the things, because he's, he's late, he's 58 or 59. And he just says you know, I just realized that it's just impossible for me ever to well he did it once, you know, he ran a 359. \n\nDean: Yeah, but he was running. \n\nDan: You know he was running 405, 406, 402,. You know every race and you just can't do that anymore. And you know so you have a collision between your actual performance and your memory of being fast. \n\nDean: Yes, oh man Whoa performance and your memory of being fast. Yes, oh, man whoa. There's just kind of I'm just kind of preparing myself for the reality of that, you know, and that's yeah, but it's even apparent that you were very coordinated. \n\nDan: I mean the way you walk and everything. Uh, you know the way my entire memory of you is mostly the last 10, 12, 12 years. And I noticed that you have very great athletic coordination, so you have that going for you. \n\nDean: I got that going for me, that's true. \n\nDan: Yeah, so yeah, hopefully that will. \n\nDean: I wonder now, you know, like I wonder through do you do any mobility things like Pilates or stretching or yoga or any of those things? The only thing. \n\nDan: I do. We have a, really we have an industrial strength. The vibration plate is about three feet by three feet and you do high intensity vibrations on it. And then I just have a pole, and then I do it in, let's say, 10 different positions. I do the pole. And that helps a lot the vibration point. I mean it makes the house, it almost makes the house rattle, almost makes the house rattle, yeah, yeah, yeah. \n\nYeah, and that's really. I do a lot of band stuff. You know where you use. You put the band about around a pole and then you can really do, yeah, so that helps a lot. I like that. Yeah and yeah. But you know, my big thing is just being productive in terms of the work, you know you know, my big thing is just being productive in terms of the work. \n\nYou know, I mean I was never a competitor in any kind of individual sport. I was all team sports when I was growing up because I really liked the team Football, basketball, football, basketball and everything else. So I never, I never really was attracted to individual competitions and you know, but my big thing is just to. I've got quarterly, I've got quarterly products to produce, I've got books to produce and everything. It's just that. I'm always in a good energy, you know, good energy state for all that work. \n\nDean: And that's great. That's why the physical, having the physical, you know physically fit body is really just for your purposes and to the brain oxygenated and carry around where you need to be right, that's really the thing. Yeah, yeah, I just had a brain MRI. \n\nDan: I just had a brain MRI. In October I was was in nashville with david hossie and I've grown new neurons this year and I think it's from the stem cells oh, wow from the stem cells and he says you got neurons there that aren't organized. \n\nYet he says you know? He says you're going to have to organize your neurons and I said that's a nice report. That's a nice report. Yeah, he says you're going to have to organize your neurons and I said that's a nice report, that's a nice report. And he says you're not dementia, You're not becoming demented, You're re-menting. \n\nDean: Re-mented. I love it Re-menture. Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, it's good. \n\nDan: My memory. I do a full bank cognitive test every quarter. It's, but 19 different tests takes you about, you know, 40 minutes or an hour and my memory was way up. My verbal memory was way up and my objects you know graphic memory was way up. \n\nDean: So that's good. \n\nDan: And he says then you got too much, and you got too much visceral fat and you got this and I said, now let's just stick with the subject of the brain here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How many 80 year olds do you have that got more brain than they had? \n\nDean: exactly that's the. Let's focus on the positive here. \n\nDan: Yeah, let's take our wins where we can. Yeah, it's really interesting. Yeah, but yeah, I think that we started our conversation today off with last week's Genius Network setting anywhere in the world where the people that joe had on stage with him and the quality of the discussion they were having could happen anywhere else. \n\nDean: Yeah, no, I get you. I bet you're right. Absolutely, that's what I mean about the way joe's really elevated his ability to stand in conversation with these people, you know it's a different. It's not like as a interviewer or a journalist. He's having a real, authentic conversation with them and it's fascinating. Yeah, it's good to see. \n\nDan: Yeah Well, I bet there's sleepless nights going on in Washington DC these days, have you? \n\nDean: seen the things, the memes of who Robert Kennedy is replacing, like they showed the minister of health or whoever the health and human services lead, is now compared to Robert Kennedy. It's funny. \n\nDan: Oh yeah. \n\nDean: Yeah Well, it's a nice thing that happened. \n\nDan: You know, and you know Jeff Hayes, you know one of our colleagues in that time. I mean, he was really instrumental in, you know, getting him so far that he would become in a position where he could do a collaboration with Trump you know, yeah, Trump's the kind of guy you know. He doesn't care what shape or form the talent comes in. \n\nDean: That's exactly right. \n\nDan: It's kind of interesting because when I spoke to Robert Kennedy just briefly and I said in 1962, I was working at the FBI in Washington and I had to go over to the Department of Justice in Washington and I had to go over to the Department of Justice, we had a sort of a tour of part of the history of the FBI and it was in the Department of Justice building and Robert Kennedy happened to walk by in the hallway. His father walked by, so that was 1962. And I said really interesting, 62 years later and he'll have far more influence in his new position than his father ever had. \n\nDean: Yeah, I bet you're absolutely right, for sure, yeah, awesome, yep, so we'll be so we'll have. \n\nDan: No, I won't do it next week, right exactly. Well, I can do the. I can do the two weeks, two weeks from today. I can do it next week, right exactly well, I can do the. \n\nDean: I can do the two weeks, two weeks from today. I can do it, okay, if you're available. Yeah, absolutely yeah that would be fantastic. Okay, all right, see you then okay, thanks dan, bye okay. 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I hope it will be copied and sent virally around the world, this podcast. I hope, millions. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e To all the corners of Clublandia. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, well, what a whirlwind tour for both of us here, I think. Where are you? Are you back in Toronto right now? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Next to the fireplace. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, I like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s great, which is needed today. It\u0026#39;s getting cool. I\u0026#39;m going to be. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I like it, but I like it. I\u0026#39;m coming up on Friday, I think. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e This week Yep and then return to be yeah, I think this week, yep, and then return to be yeah, I\u0026#39;m coming, I\u0026#39;ll be in Argentina. Yeah, yeah, next week I\u0026#39;ll be in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Argentina Right, yeah, I\u0026#39;m doing, I\u0026#39;m coming up on Friday, I\u0026#39;m doing a breakthrough blueprint on Monday, tuesday, wednesday, and then we have coach the following Monday, tuesday, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and I\u0026#39;m flying back on friday night from argentina, so I won\u0026#39;t be um back in my house, probably till about three o\u0026#39;clock on saturday. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e so oh my goodness, so we\u0026#39;re gonna miss our table time yeah, I\u0026#39;ll see you on sunday. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m sorry. I\u0026#39;m sorry, but some things come in front of other things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Exactly right, I have three ideas this week. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I have three ideas this week. I was just going to say where do we start? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We should probably mention that we just got back from Scottsdale and Joe\u0026#39;s annual event, the Genius Network annual event, which was really another level. I mean, he\u0026#39;s really gone above and beyond and on Saturday he pulled off something I don\u0026#39;t think anybody\u0026#39;s been able to pull off. He had Bobby Kennedy and Jordan Peterson and Tucker Carlson and Cali Means all on the same stage and I\u0026#39;ll tell you what he has really grown as a conversationalist I don\u0026#39;t even want to call him an interviewer because it was really, you know, that level of he\u0026#39;s just the right amount of curious and unpredictable in the conversation that it\u0026#39;s fascinating. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHe\u0026#39;s not asking them the stock questions that would come. You know that you would expect, but it was amazing. I think everybody was very, was very impressed with how the event went off yep, yeah, I. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The takeaway for me one is that we saw robert kennedy on saturday and then on on Wednesday, was it? Or Thursday? Wednesday, I think it was Wednesday he was appointed the secretary of health. Yes, human service, human services, and I think that\u0026#39;s a big deal. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I do too. It\u0026#39;s, yeah, very, very impressive. Yeah, you know what\u0026#39;s funny about that event is that the you know impressive. You know what\u0026#39;s funny about that event is that we also had the head of GoToMarket for OpenAI, which was kind of like a that\u0026#39;s a pretty big role, but it was downplayed by Zach Cass. Zach Cass, the guy that spoke oh, were you there on Sunday? He spoke on Sunday morning. No, we came there on Sunday. He spoke on Sunday morning. No, we came home on Sunday. Oh, okay, that\u0026#39;s why. So, yeah, so the head of go-to-market, one of the original guys for OpenAI, was there and it was so funny that became. You know, he was kind of like the undercard, if you want to call it that, right, oversadowed by the blockbuster Saturday, but he himself was that\u0026#39;s a pretty, that\u0026#39;s a pretty big get to have too. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo, very, very interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e He was like in the 10th race at Woodbine you know the sore horses race later. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So well, I had three, three ideas. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, first of all, I had a nice introduction by Joe to Jordan Peterson. It turns out that he lives about a four-minute drive from us in the beaches oh wow, that\u0026#39;s amazing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe\u0026#39;re going to get together and he and his wife invited us to their Christmas party. So Christmas party, yeah, very, you know, very lively, engaging, smart, good sense of humor and everything. I enjoyed meeting him, but I had three ideas that I\u0026#39;ve been pondering all week. Okay, and more and more, I think that the humans use technology to keep things the same I think you\u0026#39;re right, and even referring to it as the thing it\u0026#39;s replacing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I remember hearing that about when automobiles first came out. They were called them horseless carriages. Right that, that\u0026#39;s really what the thing was. Our only, our only frame of reference for the new is in how it relates to the past. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Or relates to the present. Yeah, the present, that\u0026#39;s what I mean, yeah, and if our present is under threat, we will adapt a new technology to keep ourselves more or less where we were. Yeah, and I\u0026#39;ve just been pondering this this is not a major thought, but it\u0026#39;s a side thought that thought that we use technology to keep things the same. And what was the side thought now? Well, that was a quick one, that was a quick one. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat one just flew out of my head, but I had a second thought too, and I was watching a really interesting podcast yesterday with Peter Thiel, who you know, and you know one of the co-creators of PayPal. One of the co-creators of PayPal and he\u0026#39;s the creator of Planteer, which is a deep, dark, secret R\u0026amp;D lab for the government. And Barry Weiss, who was a columnist for the New York Times, who was let go because she started exhibiting independent thoughts. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I hate it when that happens. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you know, you just can\u0026#39;t be doing that at the New York Times. You really have to go with the party thoughts. You know the thoughts. But he was saying that what the election sort of indicated for him, election sort of indicated for him the presidential election of last week, was that in the internet world it\u0026#39;s almost impossible to be a successful hypocrite. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd that is if you say something to this group and then go across the street and say a completely different thing to another group that you used to be able to get to the, maybe not across the street but, let\u0026#39;s say, cities 300 miles apart or anything you could get away with. You could get away with it, but the internet now makes that more or less impossible. It\u0026#39;s increasingly difficult to be a hypocrite. You know where you try to play both sides of an issue. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, because the internet is very, they love to identify and call those out. I mean, I remember I mentioned to you that Kamala, you know, there was a video going around that was Kamala speaking out of both sides of her mouth about Hamas and Israel. And yeah, I mean, it was just, you know, because they were running the ads in different thinking they would get away with it, because they\u0026#39;re running one in Pennsylvania and one in Michigan or wherever. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, right, that would be great, that would be a good thing. Yeah, and I was thinking the fact that almost all the celebrities that came out in her favor were to do so. Mm-hmm. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yeah, like. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oprah got a million to do an interview with her. Beyonce, I\u0026#39;ve heard, got 10 million just to show up at a rally 10 million. Didn\u0026#39;t have to do anything. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s wild, isn\u0026#39;t it? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and she had a billion dollars to spend and she ended up 20 million in debt Over. Oh man. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, in debt. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but if that had been done 20 years ago, that might not have been discovered as quickly, maybe not at all. It might not have been discovered at all. So it\u0026#39;s just getting very difficult to be a hypocrite. I mean, you used to be able to make a lifetime career out of being a hypocrite, and now it wouldn\u0026#39;t last more than 24 hours. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I remember. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s a career with a short future. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, there was a meme going around about listing the people who had endorsed Donald Trump, joe Rogan and Elon Musk and Bob Kennedy and all these people, and then it was the people who endorsed Kamala was the Diddy List, you know so funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so my first. So I\u0026#39;ve had three thoughts. First one was technology. We use technology to keep things the same. Number two it\u0026#39;s getting more difficult to be a hypocrite. Number three is I\u0026#39;ve discovered what the greatest individual ambition can be. Tell me To be more ambitious. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s the gift that keeps on giving. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s the number one. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Just next year, just next year. Be more ambitious. Be more ambitious next year than you are this year, and that\u0026#39;s all you have to handle. It\u0026#39;ll take care, it\u0026#39;s the one goal that takes care of everything. I don\u0026#39;t want to own just the land that\u0026#39;s next to mine yeah, yes, because that I\u0026#39;ve given a lot of thought to goals, but almost all of them they\u0026#39;re one and done, you know yeah you\u0026#39;ve achieved the goal and then you know, then it\u0026#39;s gone. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut uh, if your, your ambition is simply to be always more ambitious, I think that handles a lot of endings. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, absolutely. I think that\u0026#39;s funny. It\u0026#39;s almost like a cheat code you know, I think that\u0026#39;s great. I see, there\u0026#39;s a. I mean, what a never-ending like a perpetual improvement cycle improvement cycle. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well it\u0026#39;s, it\u0026#39;s always. It\u0026#39;s a kind of interesting thing because I\u0026#39;m trying to figure myself out at ajd that I\u0026#39;ve got bigger things I\u0026#39;m working. I\u0026#39;ve got bigger things I\u0026#39;m working on. I\u0026#39;m I\u0026#39;m working, working with people who are doing bigger and bigger things and you know and everything else, and I said what accounts for, and I said your ambition is to be more ambitious. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that\u0026#39;s your print, right, your print is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it\u0026#39;s seven. Three, I mean it\u0026#39;s three is success and achievement Right? Seven, seven, you have seven. It\u0026#39;s enjoying life and having a good time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, bigger parties, yeah, bigger parties. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, revenues, bigger parties. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Bigger revenues. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e bigger parties, that\u0026#39;s fantastic. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I love it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So anyway, I\u0026#39;m going to do a triple play on those three and see what I come up with. I think there\u0026#39;s, but I just feel that things are really shifting. I think there\u0026#39;s, but I just feel that things are really shifting. I got a sense that, yeah, peter, peter Thiel very bright, very bright very very thoughtful, very thoughtful person and but he had a comment that he thinks that Bud Light. You know, remember the Bud Light. He thinks that was the end of the 20th century. He said that at that moment, the 20th century ended and the 21st century began. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd he said that he feels that the Democrats are now the Bud Light Party. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh man, well, and so that, yeah, I mean. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You wonder now Well, you think about it that the reason that got them thrown out of power is the reason why they won\u0026#39;t learn anything from getting thrown out of party, because they feel superior, intellectually superior morally superior and that would prevent them from actually saying well, maybe you are not Right, but your sense of superior prevents you from realizing that maybe you\u0026#39;re not. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey\u0026#39;ve kind of twisted themselves into a knot. Yeah, because I\u0026#39;m. You know, I watch the replays on. You know that they have an article, but then they\u0026#39;ll have a link to a video. And Real Clear Politics is my favorite video and on real clear politics is my favorite, and you go on and you could just tell that the Democratic Party right now is very disappointed with American citizens. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e They\u0026#39;re very disappointed. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They\u0026#39;re very disappointed with the quality of citizens in the United States right now and they\u0026#39;re saying how do we get a different kind of voter? What we need is a different kind of voter. It\u0026#39;s very clear that the kinds of voters we have right now are not delivering. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We need more. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, let\u0026#39;s get some more Vansuelen gang members in here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh man. So what was your insights or thoughts from the Genius Network annual event? You\u0026#39;re not a notetaker. No, me neither. I\u0026#39;m exactly like that. I know that whatever insight I get, if it\u0026#39;s strong enough to stay with me, that\u0026#39;s the insight you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, my big one and you already brought it up in the conversation. I told Joe at dinner that you know we had the dinner on Saturday night and I said I think you\u0026#39;ve just jumped 10 times I said I think what you did, today is a 10 times jump and I said tomorrow morning what you did today is going to feel normal to you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And to everyone else. I think that\u0026#39;s really the great thing. You know, like his whole and he said it too each year his goal is to make it a better event than the last, and so that\u0026#39;s very yeah, that\u0026#39;s very interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, the other thing is that I kind of told him this was last year, so this was the annual meeting for last year, and when he invited Robert Kennedy Jr last year. I said to him I just want you to know whether you\u0026#39;ve just entered the political world when you make an invitation like this, whether you like it, you know whether you like it or not, or whether you agree or not, you\u0026#39;re now in the political world. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So you got to be aware of that, yeah, and even though and even though Jordan Peterson, not per se political, but certainly in a different, not business like you know, the events have evolved from you know almost all business, like you know marketing and you know entrepreneur type of things more to a different level of event. It\u0026#39;s interesting, I was looking through, but it\u0026#39;s magic what happens actually at the event. It\u0026#39;s not about the content of the event. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s being in the room surrounded by the Genius Network and I think I really got on another level, the purpose of the annual event versus the meetings, the yearly or monthly meetings, and you know it was very. I had a gentleman from Toronto who actually sat beside me on the first day and you know he was there primarily for the business stuff. The marketing really needed that help and you know I had to kind of help reframe that because if that was the number one reason you were there, there wasn\u0026#39;t a lot of that at the actual event, you know. But what there was and this is what we said is that but we got to meet and that\u0026#39;s, you know there\u0026#39;s, that\u0026#39;s part of the thing is that\u0026#39;s the, that\u0026#39;s the way to get that, what you actually need you know, yeah, yeah, anyway, it\u0026#39;s just interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think the first one I ever went to was in new york yeah, right the annual meeting I think he had. Joe had a couple of those in new New. York, yeah, and then, and then he had one in California, two two in. California actually he had the one where Richard Branson came yeah by uh, hollywood it was, I think it was actually it was in. Yeah, yeah, I always remember he had that. And then the second one was at Pelican Hill down in Newport. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Beach. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Newport, right yeah, and then they moved them to Scottsdale. And that was the right place. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it really is. It\u0026#39;s perfect, it fits. And this one how convenient was this? Right across the street from his house. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, how convenient was this? Right across the street from his house? Yeah, and we\u0026#39;re doing the summit, the Free Zone Summit, right across the street from where we were. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right next door. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Desert shadows right across the street. Yeah yeah, scottsdale really works. I mean, you can get there on a single flight from almost anywhere. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And the weather is usually good and, yeah, it\u0026#39;s nice. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Next year you\u0026#39;ve already got everything mapped out. You\u0026#39;re always a year a full year ahead. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Generally, with events like that, I\u0026#39;m you\u0026#39;re ahead With our personal schedule. We\u0026#39;re usually three years ahead, oh my goodness Wow. Well, it\u0026#39;s because of the workshops. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You have to figure every year you\u0026#39;re going to have a certain number of workshops and they\u0026#39;re going to be at a certain period of each quarter. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So we have that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s already logged in and we pretty well know that. I mean, then there\u0026#39;s all sorts of things. I mean you have free days, but the free days move around in terms of what you\u0026#39;re going to do with the free days, and I\u0026#39;ve got a book to do every quarter and I\u0026#39;ve got podcasts to do every quarter. I\u0026#39;ve got workshops to do every quarter. So\u0026#39;ve got podcasts to do every quarter, I\u0026#39;ve got workshops to do every quarter. So that gives it a pretty much of a go forward structure a nice cadence, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Structure scaffolding yeah yeah, or as uh ned holland would call it, the bobsled run yeah, I don\u0026#39;t experience. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e A I don\u0026#39;t experience, add the way that describes it how so? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e so how do you mean? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I\u0026#39;m not super, I\u0026#39;m not hyperactive. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Me neither. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so not, and you know, so I don\u0026#39;t experience. I know that that exists and that\u0026#39;s you know, it\u0026#39;s a great part of ADD. Mine is I would characterize it what I think. What I think is the most important thing, subject to change on a fairly frequent basis, gotcha. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and how you know, you seem to you know I\u0026#39;ve adopted, or was introduced to. You know, russell Barkley\u0026#39;s interpretation of ADD, which totally seemed to fit for me. I saw it in the clearest light that I\u0026#39;ve ever seen it or had the most understanding of it as an executive function. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003edisability- and it was a really elevated way of thinking about it, as a you know you talked about it as a true, like a neuro degenerative disability, that it\u0026#39;s not anything that you can will your way out of or that you can. You know, it\u0026#39;s not a character issue or a weakness or anything like that, it\u0026#39;s just the true physical, neurological disconnection between the two parts of your brain and I. Really, when I embraced that or, as I\u0026#39;m, it\u0026#39;s still a journey of embracing it and realizing that the things that, that the ways that manifests for me is it really is when I\u0026#39;m left on my own to self-direct what I\u0026#39;m going to do with a big block of time. And it\u0026#39;s been very, you know, it\u0026#39;s been fascinating because my whole paradigm for the way that I\u0026#39;ve lived and set up my life is to try at all times to keep my schedule free so that I would have time to do all the things that I want to do, all the creative things, you know. But the reality is that the only things that ever get actually done are things that have that external scaffolding, things like podcasts and workshops and Zoom appointments, and the things that are synchronous and scheduled and involve other people, and there\u0026#39;s no way around it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s like, as much as I want to be able to think that I could clear off three hours in the morning and just sit and write or, to you know, create or to do something, it\u0026#39;s very uphill because I\u0026#39;m very slippery, without the structure of someone being on the other end of the phone at 11 am on saturday or sunday morning. You know, I know I never miss and it\u0026#39;s like those things that it\u0026#39;s and I\u0026#39;m never. I never find, I never struggle with add in the moment. I always, once I\u0026#39;m engaged and into something, I\u0026#39;m able to give that thing my focus, like I\u0026#39;m not distracted while we\u0026#39;re doing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, my experience would be you\u0026#39;re the. My experience is that you\u0026#39;re fully there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e When you\u0026#39;re there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e When I\u0026#39;m there Exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s so funny, but if I need to be there, who\u0026#39;s the who\u0026#39;s the person? Who\u0026#39;s the person that described this? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e for you, barkley, yeah, russell barkley. He\u0026#39;s a contemporary colleague of of ned hollow. Well, they know each other very well they. And Russell Barkley actually has a series of videos that describe the things that he and Ned disagree on, the different approaches to two things, but they\u0026#39;re both like totally fully respect the other. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know that\u0026#39;s a big thing but for me that that explanation and that you know set of the way he described it, is that every intervention or everything that works has to be external and it can\u0026#39;t be. You know, it\u0026#39;s nothing internal like willing yourself or character changing or anything like that. It\u0026#39;s really we need to treat it and to the extent that we treat it like a true disability and then make accommodations for it, like if you, he would say, if we treated it like you would never say to a paraplegic it\u0026#39;s right over there, just get up and walk over there, it\u0026#39;s only a few paces yeah, because you know that it\u0026#39;s a physical impossibility for them to do that, but in the morning walk, first thing in the morning walk a mile yeah, exactly, if that\u0026#39;s the thing, then that\u0026#39;s going to be a problem right but, \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ethat\u0026#39;s going to be a problem, yeah, but but if you acknowledge it as a disability and you said, okay, how about we get you a chair with wheels and then we\u0026#39;ll put a motor on it and you can just point where you want to go and you\u0026#39;ll get to where you\u0026#39;re going, that\u0026#39;s an accommodation for the disability and that\u0026#39;s kind of what he\u0026#39;s saying, that this external scaffolding like the way you know what I admire about your calendar so much is that you have all the things that you do are really supported by that external scaffolding. There\u0026#39;s not a lot, of excuse me, like you know, you have used to be 150. How many workshop days do you have? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e now? Well, there are 60 days when I\u0026#39;m doing workshop activities, but a lot of them are two hour sessions or not eight hour sessions, and those are all on the calendar and oh yeah, those are, yeah, those go way into the future. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and they\u0026#39;re all. I find that too, that they\u0026#39;re all very, they\u0026#39;re procrastination proof, because you have to show up like you know there\u0026#39;s no way, it\u0026#39;s really is just accepting it and you know, leaning into that structure as much as I, as much as I can, yeah yeah, it\u0026#39;s really, it\u0026#39;s kind of interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I was just bouncing his words off of. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know my own experience of being add and you know, clinically, I\u0026#39;ve been diagnosed, so you know it\u0026#39;s, uh, you know it\u0026#39;s, it\u0026#39;s a real thing, and but mine is more that I actually I don\u0026#39;t, and this relates to you. It doesn\u0026#39;t relate to you know. So, barkley, so much it relates to you that my goal is to have my schedule filled up the night when I go to bed the night before. I want my schedule filled up for the, so I don\u0026#39;t have to think about it when I get up in the morning it\u0026#39;s all right, it\u0026#39;s all set, yeah and but then I get over time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI get very discriminating about the quality of the things that are filling up my time. There\u0026#39;s little adjustments that have to be made because I\u0026#39;ve got a great scheduler. Becca Miller is my scheduler and she\u0026#39;s just terrific, but she can\u0026#39;t do my thinking for me. For example, last weekend we were at Genius Network and then we came home on a Sunday. I don\u0026#39;t like coming home on a Sunday. That\u0026#39;s the way it was scheduled, that\u0026#39;s the way it was scheduled. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo I came home on schedule and then Monday was just packed and I said OK, we got to put a new rule in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e If I come back on Sunday. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e There can\u0026#39;t be anything on Monday, yeah, and we could see that six months ahead, you know we could see that, and so I have little conversations. This is the rule. And then on Friday, both Babs and I had Zoom calls after four o\u0026#39;clock, you know, one at five o\u0026#39;clock, one at six o\u0026#39;clock and I was going through the experience. I said, okay, no, no commitments after four o\u0026#39;clock on Friday. Right, yeah, but these are just little adjustments, you know these are just little adjustments that you make. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then I, you know, I sit down with her and I said let\u0026#39;s just put a couple of new rules in. You know, if I come back on a sunday, I can\u0026#39;t have anything on a monday. And then you know nothing after four on friday and everything like that. You know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And you know, it\u0026#39;s just I. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e you know I was sitting, I was going through it, I I will fulfill the commitment, but as I\u0026#39;m going through it and I said I don\u0026#39;t really like that, I not that I don\u0026#39;t like the thing that I\u0026#39;m doing. I don\u0026#39;t like doing it at this particular time, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And the other. Thing is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I like being in Toronto on Saturday and having Toronto Saturday Day and this last year we\u0026#39;ve had more things that took away our Toronto Saturdays and I said we\u0026#39;ve got to look ahead now and look at all the Saturdays going out for a year and a half and to the most part, let me have that in Toronto, be in Toronto. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s such a great. So you really Saturday is like a free day. I like it. Yeah, I just like it. Yeah, I just like it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I just like it. Why do you want that? I really like it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Because I want it. That\u0026#39;s right. I want what I want, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I want what I like. Yes, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s good. Well, I\u0026#39;m just going through the process right now, like embracing that. My goal is to shape my calendar for next year ahead for the whole, for the whole year. And that\u0026#39;s yeah, that\u0026#39;s really the. That\u0026#39;s really the thing I tend to run really like about a quarter ahead. You know some things. I know when they are like, I know when and it\u0026#39;s funny because they become the big rocks in my calendar in terms of like I appreciate that you know when the strategic coach workshops are, so I know to work around those. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I know when the annual event is and I know when our free zone summit is and I put those in you know, and I always tend to kind of work, I\u0026#39;ve had a tendency to kind of keep the time, keep the options open for the other times and I but I don\u0026#39;t take that same thing of locking in my own events with with the same priority or consistency, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think I share that with you, that if it\u0026#39;s just internal, you know it\u0026#39;s me having a meeting with myself, or an activity. I\u0026#39;m much more negotiable with that than if it\u0026#39;s external. I really grasp that what you\u0026#39;re talking about there. You know I like and I like it, and that\u0026#39;s why, you know, I try to be 100% on my commitments. Yes, if I say I\u0026#39;m going to be there, I\u0026#39;ll be there. If I say I\u0026#39;m going to do this. I\u0026#39;ll do it yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah Well, that\u0026#39;s rule number one Show up on time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, do what you say you\u0026#39;re going to do. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s right. I\u0026#39;m the same way With commitments to others. I\u0026#39;m exactly the same right. I\u0026#39;m the same way With commitments to others. I\u0026#39;m exactly the same way. I\u0026#39;m very reliable, yeah. So it\u0026#39;s a good journey. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I was just reflecting. I want to give you a little progress report. I\u0026#39;ve really switched over to eating steak, having steak Do you know how I\u0026#39;m? I\u0026#39;ve really switched over to eating steak, you know having steak. Do you know how much time it saves you? It\u0026#39;s incredible how much time that you save if you just eat steak. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, the great news is I\u0026#39;m it sure, simplifies shopping. Absolutely. That\u0026#39;s exactly right. My favorite staple is the thin cut ribeyes, and I know that I can do them in the air fryer they\u0026#39;re very juicy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, that\u0026#39;s exactly right. I would do it just to squeeze the juice out of them. Oh man, that\u0026#39;s so funny that juice is to live for, I\u0026#39;ll tell you, yes, yes. The Babs. She\u0026#39;ll sometimes put the steak on the plate and there\u0026#39;s a lot of juice that comes out. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You want me to pour that? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I said no, that\u0026#39;s the point of the meal Pour that on there, that\u0026#39;s right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That was so funny, that restaurant that we went to in scottsdale the end. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Isn\u0026#39;t that a great really great and I love babs. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Two extra steaks to go. That was really yeah, that\u0026#39;s great. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah. But boys that simplify your life, I mean I used to go to whole foods I get my haircut on in new york, new yorkville, it\u0026#39;s right across from the court season. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s kenny connor from the. I used to go to Whole Foods. I get my haircut in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e New Yorkville. It\u0026#39;s right across from the Court Seasons. It\u0026#39;s Kenny Connor from the Court Seasons where I get my haircut and I go down to the end of Scholar\u0026#39;s, and that\u0026#39;s where the Hilton. Lanes, are you? Know, and the Whole Foods is in there and I used to go in every Saturday and I\u0026#39;d walk around 15, 20 minutes buying this that I shouldn\u0026#39;t eat, buying this that I shouldn\u0026#39;t eat I shouldn\u0026#39;t eat and take a bottle home and eat some of them and throw the rest out and everything else, and now we have a bruno\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eDo you know bruno\u0026#39;s in? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e toronto it goes back. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It goes back 50 years yeah and uh, they have great meat department and we go in and the guy says same as usual, same as usual, yep, yep, except twice as much and hey gets it, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So yeah, it\u0026#39;s really good yeah I was shocked about pusseteri\u0026#39;s closing right there well, they didn\u0026#39;t close. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They\u0026#39;re opening in one of those new buildings. Yeah, they had a. It was a shitty space where they were. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it was kind of awkward right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, very tiny space. So now they have it the way they wanted it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, so they\u0026#39;re still in, they\u0026#39;re still on the island. They\u0026#39;re closed for probably a year no but I mean they\u0026#39;re going to be still in Yorkville. Yeah, Right on the island, yeah, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So they\u0026#39;ll have a huge space because their main store is up at Lawrence Avenue Road and that\u0026#39;s like you know, it\u0026#39;s a regular size supermarket. But they had this tiny little space and you know it didn\u0026#39;t work in any way. It was just. I mean, first of all, you\u0026#39;re paying 25, 10, 15% more if you shop at a suppository, but the whole quality of the experience was not up to what they were charging. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, I went in there and they put in automatic checkouts and I said wait a minute. Now you\u0026#39;re putting me charging. Yeah, I went in there and they put in automatic checkouts and I said wait a minute. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Now you\u0026#39;re putting me on. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You\u0026#39;re charging me 15% too much, and now you\u0026#39;re putting me on staff. That\u0026#39;s so funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s exactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Now I have to do checkout for you. I said no and I just stopped. I just stopped. I said I\u0026#39;m not going back here. That was during. And then some guy corrected me that my mask was too low on my face and I said I no, I can\u0026#39;t. I, I can\u0026#39;t put myself in this type of situation where I get the mask. Police are in pusitories, you know oh no, that\u0026#39;s no good. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd that was all for nothing. You know, I mean that. Quote that comment. Was it Callie Means? It was either Robert Kennedy or Callie Means. The average age of people who died during COVID. Did you catch that one? I did not. What was it? 81. At 81, you ask them for a refund. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, oh, my goodness. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean it\u0026#39;s three years beyond expiry. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I wonder how much of that you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Though you look at, I think that 80 is the new 60, it feels like in a lot of ways. I feel that yeah, because you look at, you know, just even in that one little environment there, you know, Peter Thomas is 86 there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and I was 80. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Joel Weldon at 83. I mean, yeah, that\u0026#39;s, those are not normal octogenarians. You know very, you know it\u0026#39;s just and I think you see it now. You know it\u0026#39;s just and I think you see it now. You know it\u0026#39;s happening more. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, and I think the other thing is that the retirement age, if I understand the logic of it, was to get the older people out of the factories, so that you wouldn\u0026#39;t have a lot of unemployed young people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBismarck in Germany that was, you know that was the first government that had a retirement program and a retirement policy. Now, with the low birth rates, you\u0026#39;re going to want to keep the people in the workplace as long as you possibly can, so you\u0026#39;re going to have a lot of 70 and 80-year-olds not retiring. First of all. I mean they\u0026#39;ve got a lot of 70 and 80 year olds not retiring. Yeah, first of all, I mean they\u0026#39;ve got a lot of experience and there\u0026#39;s, um, you know it\u0026#39;s, you know it\u0026#39;s. Just, I thought immediately where I sat most was with pearson airport and air canada, the two experiences that go along together. And so, pearson airport, you have a lot of very skilled people who make sure that everything is, you know, good with the terminal, everything\u0026#39;s working with the terminal, plus the you know, baggage is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know the big thing, you know getting stuff off the planes really fast, getting it to the right, you know, to the right luggage rack and everything and everything. And then Air Canada, the ticketing, you know the ground crew and everything like that. And I noticed immediately that they had lost two levels of skill. Immediately during COVID, they bought off all their really high-priced pilots, they bought off all their cabin attendants, they bought off all the ticketing people, you know. You know they were like 60 they have mandatory retirement 65 and they just bought them off at 60 and it was very abrupt and it was total. And so you had people who were serving you and they were basically doing their job out of the job manual. You know they do this Well. That doesn\u0026#39;t really give you high quality. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean the whole. Did you happen to see any highlights from the Mike Tyson fight the other night? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I didn\u0026#39;t. I didn\u0026#39;t, I just knew he slapped him. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that was all leaving up to it. That was the way in when he stepped on his. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That made sure that both of them got $30 million oh exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that\u0026#39;s, but I think what happened was that Jake stepped on his toe is what happened, and he slapped him, but the fight was uneventful. I mean, it was really. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e He won on points. Right he won on points. Jake Paul won on points. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, exactly, and but it was. It was sad to see Mike Tyson, you know, at 58, he really did look old like, even in his movements and the way it\u0026#39;s like that was, it was something you could really tell the difference between 27 and 58, you know. And that\u0026#39;s you wonder, like that\u0026#39;s yeah, he\u0026#39;s in peak physical condition for a 58 year old. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but it was just yeah, but your muscles are slow yeah, that\u0026#39;s what I mean. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e He looked kind of no, your, no, your muscles just slowed down. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it was really interesting because I haven\u0026#39;t run and I started running, just, you know, some attempt because of my knee. Yeah, and you know a 50-year-old injury to my knee to run again, so I was. We have quite a good size dock at the lake up north. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And so what I do is I have a rule that three seconds after I take off my sneakers, I\u0026#39;m in the water. I have to be in the water. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You\u0026#39;ve got to do it. Take them off One, two, three go, otherwise it\u0026#39;ll take forever. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And so what? I do it at the back of the dock and I have maybe 15 feet, 15 feet, and so the moment, the thing off. I just run for the front and I jump, I jump into the water and Babs took a video of it and I looked at it and I said you don\u0026#39;t show this to anybody, it\u0026#39;s not. I said I am really slow, I\u0026#39;m really slow, I\u0026#39;m really slow. Yes, and part of it. You know I\u0026#39;m recovering from an injury. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But part of it is just, I got 80-year-old muscles, you know, and they\u0026#39;re not fast you have the memory of you know I mean you have 20-year-old tennis memories of how fast you were. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s so funny you know so funny. That\u0026#39;s a nice memory, but it\u0026#39;s not a present experience, that\u0026#39;s going to be absolutely true. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s so funny that you mentioned that is because when I was watching Mike Tyson, I was thinking to myself that\u0026#39;s one of my aspirations. I\u0026#39;d love to, as I continue to lose weight and get more mobile, that I would like to you know for your running, that\u0026#39;s my thing is to be able to get back to to play tennis well, you were in the top hundred. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You were in the top hundred, weren\u0026#39;t you amateur? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e no, not that high, but I was very, at a very high level. But but the you know. But to be able to get to that, knowing that my mind knows what it\u0026#39;s like to be a 20-year-old tennis player, my mind and my muscle memory still knows exactly what to do in those situations, but it\u0026#39;s going to be. As I watched Mike Tyson, I realized, and it\u0026#39;s every now. And as I watched Mike Tyson, I realized, you know, and it\u0026#39;s every now and then I\u0026#39;ll watch these guys, I\u0026#39;ll watch on YouTube, I\u0026#39;ll watch some, like you know, 55 plus. You know, tennis matches are 60 plus, even them by age groups, you know. So I\u0026#39;ve been watching the 60 plus and it\u0026#39;s amazing to see how brittle brittle is a good word, will appear to be yeah, well, the other thing you know, like the mile run you know the world record right now is three, three, four, I think 17,. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know 17 seconds under four minutes. But the oldest person in history to ever run a sub four is Amin Coughlin, irishman. I think he was at one of the East Coast United States universities and then he raced after that, but he was 43 and nobody over 43 has ever run a four minute mile. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHow\u0026#39;s Daniel doing with his getting back to you know, he\u0026#39;s in the five he\u0026#39;s in the five minutes, five, five, five, 40, you know, and and one of the things, because he\u0026#39;s, he\u0026#39;s late, he\u0026#39;s 58 or 59. And he just says you know, I just realized that it\u0026#39;s just impossible for me ever to well he did it once, you know, he ran a 359. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but he was running. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know he was running 405, 406, 402,. You know every race and you just can\u0026#39;t do that anymore. And you know so you have a collision between your actual performance and your memory of being fast. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, oh man Whoa performance and your memory of being fast. Yes, oh, man whoa. There\u0026#39;s just kind of I\u0026#39;m just kind of preparing myself for the reality of that, you know, and that\u0026#39;s yeah, but it\u0026#39;s even apparent that you were very coordinated. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean the way you walk and everything. Uh, you know the way my entire memory of you is mostly the last 10, 12, 12 years. And I noticed that you have very great athletic coordination, so you have that going for you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I got that going for me, that\u0026#39;s true. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so yeah, hopefully that will. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I wonder now, you know, like I wonder through do you do any mobility things like Pilates or stretching or yoga or any of those things? The only thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I do. We have a, really we have an industrial strength. The vibration plate is about three feet by three feet and you do high intensity vibrations on it. And then I just have a pole, and then I do it in, let\u0026#39;s say, 10 different positions. I do the pole. And that helps a lot the vibration point. I mean it makes the house, it almost makes the house rattle, almost makes the house rattle, yeah, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, and that\u0026#39;s really. I do a lot of band stuff. You know where you use. You put the band about around a pole and then you can really do, yeah, so that helps a lot. I like that. Yeah and yeah. But you know, my big thing is just being productive in terms of the work, you know you know, my big thing is just being productive in terms of the work. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, I mean I was never a competitor in any kind of individual sport. I was all team sports when I was growing up because I really liked the team Football, basketball, football, basketball and everything else. So I never, I never really was attracted to individual competitions and you know, but my big thing is just to. I\u0026#39;ve got quarterly, I\u0026#39;ve got quarterly products to produce, I\u0026#39;ve got books to produce and everything. It\u0026#39;s just that. I\u0026#39;m always in a good energy, you know, good energy state for all that work. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And that\u0026#39;s great. That\u0026#39;s why the physical, having the physical, you know physically fit body is really just for your purposes and to the brain oxygenated and carry around where you need to be right, that\u0026#39;s really the thing. Yeah, yeah, I just had a brain MRI. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I just had a brain MRI. In October I was was in nashville with david hossie and I\u0026#39;ve grown new neurons this year and I think it\u0026#39;s from the stem cells oh, wow from the stem cells and he says you got neurons there that aren\u0026#39;t organized. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYet he says you know? He says you\u0026#39;re going to have to organize your neurons and I said that\u0026#39;s a nice report. That\u0026#39;s a nice report. Yeah, he says you\u0026#39;re going to have to organize your neurons and I said that\u0026#39;s a nice report, that\u0026#39;s a nice report. And he says you\u0026#39;re not dementia, You\u0026#39;re not becoming demented, You\u0026#39;re re-menting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Re-mented. I love it Re-menture. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s a good one. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s good. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e My memory. I do a full bank cognitive test every quarter. It\u0026#39;s, but 19 different tests takes you about, you know, 40 minutes or an hour and my memory was way up. My verbal memory was way up and my objects you know graphic memory was way up. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So that\u0026#39;s good. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And he says then you got too much, and you got too much visceral fat and you got this and I said, now let\u0026#39;s just stick with the subject of the brain here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How many 80 year olds do you have that got more brain than they had? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e exactly that\u0026#39;s the. Let\u0026#39;s focus on the positive here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, let\u0026#39;s take our wins where we can. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s really interesting. Yeah, but yeah, I think that we started our conversation today off with last week\u0026#39;s Genius Network setting anywhere in the world where the people that joe had on stage with him and the quality of the discussion they were having could happen anywhere else. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, no, I get you. I bet you\u0026#39;re right. Absolutely, that\u0026#39;s what I mean about the way joe\u0026#39;s really elevated his ability to stand in conversation with these people, you know it\u0026#39;s a different. It\u0026#39;s not like as a interviewer or a journalist. He\u0026#39;s having a real, authentic conversation with them and it\u0026#39;s fascinating. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s good to see. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah Well, I bet there\u0026#39;s sleepless nights going on in Washington DC these days, have you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e seen the things, the memes of who Robert Kennedy is replacing, like they showed the minister of health or whoever the health and human services lead, is now compared to Robert Kennedy. It\u0026#39;s funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah Well, it\u0026#39;s a nice thing that happened. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, and you know Jeff Hayes, you know one of our colleagues in that time. I mean, he was really instrumental in, you know, getting him so far that he would become in a position where he could do a collaboration with Trump you know, yeah, Trump\u0026#39;s the kind of guy you know. He doesn\u0026#39;t care what shape or form the talent comes in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s exactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s kind of interesting because when I spoke to Robert Kennedy just briefly and I said in 1962, I was working at the FBI in Washington and I had to go over to the Department of Justice in Washington and I had to go over to the Department of Justice, we had a sort of a tour of part of the history of the FBI and it was in the Department of Justice building and Robert Kennedy happened to walk by in the hallway. His father walked by, so that was 1962. And I said really interesting, 62 years later and he\u0026#39;ll have far more influence in his new position than his father ever had. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I bet you\u0026#39;re absolutely right, for sure, yeah, awesome, yep, so we\u0026#39;ll be so we\u0026#39;ll have. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I won\u0026#39;t do it next week, right exactly. Well, I can do the. I can do the two weeks, two weeks from today. I can do it next week, right exactly well, I can do the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I can do the two weeks, two weeks from today. I can do it, okay, if you\u0026#39;re available. Yeah, absolutely yeah that would be fantastic. Okay, all right, see you then okay, thanks dan, bye okay. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"\r\nOur latest episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia offers an intimate look at the Genius Network annual event in Scottsdale, featuring extraordinary conversations with prominent figures like Bobby Kennedy, Jordan Peterson, and Tucker Carlson. \r\n\r\nWe explore the unexpected appointment of Robert Kennedy Jr. as Secretary of Health and Human Services and share insights from a key OpenAI representative, examining how technology subtly maintains existing societal structures.\r\nThe episode delves into the evolving nature of professional gatherings, highlighting the power of meaningful connections over traditional networking. We discuss the intricate art of event planning, sharing personal strategies for managing commitments and overcoming challenges like ADD. Our conversation reveals the importance of structured scheduling and intentional approaches to daily productivity.\r\n","date_published":"2024-12-18T08:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/6c38c131-5225-4714-a737-7440aab4f0a2.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":48711136,"duration_in_seconds":3044}]},{"id":"57633eef-801e-4bf8-9572-81ae8263268c","title":"Ep139: Mastering Time and Embracing Happy Accidents","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/139","content_text":"In our latest episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we take a fresh look at time management and productivity through a historical lens. We discuss how the 24-hour time system, born from the need to streamline train schedules, laid the foundation for tracking time today. We also dive into the creation of Greenwich Mean Time and share a fun, serendipitous story about a restaurant meet-up that unexpectedly became a memorable experience.\n\nShifting gears, we introduce a practical, gamified approach to managing your day. Treating each day as 100 ten-minute units, we explore how careful planning and mindful activity selection can help combat procrastination. We also share tips for overcoming morning routine challenges, making each day more productive with manageable goals. Alongside this, my AI assistant, Charlotte, plays a key role in my approach to transforming daily tasks into creative outputs.\n\nFinally, we touch on the evolution of political messaging and how platforms like Joe Rogan’s podcast are reshaping public discourse. We wrap up by reflecting on the power of individual initiative and how we can all find meaning and growth in the ever-changing landscape of today’s world.\n\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\n\n    We explored the historical development of the 24-hour time system, initiated by a Canadian innovator to address train scheduling challenges in the 19th century.\n    The episode included a light-hearted conversation about time zone coordination, particularly between Arizona and Florida, and discussed the clever geopolitical strategies of the British in establishing Greenwich Mean Time.\n    We introduced a gamified approach to time management by treating each day as 100 ten-minute units, drawing inspiration from the Wheel of Fortune, to enhance productivity and address procrastination.\n    My morning routine was highlighted, emphasizing strategies for overcoming procrastination and planning tasks effectively.\n    We delved into the role of AI in personal productivity, featuring Charlotte, my AI assistant with a British accent, and discussed the concept of \"exponential tinkering\" in AI's unexpected uses.\n    The evolution of political messaging from direct mail to sophisticated digital strategies was analyzed, touching on examples like the Cambridge Analytica scandal and the influence of alternative media figures.\n    We examined content creation and strategic reuse of ideas, inspired by figures like Seth Godin, and discussed leveraging podcasts and other sources for efficient content generation.\n    We reflected on the role of entrepreneurial individuals in leveraging AI technologies for creative relationships and personal growth, contrasting with traditional media outlets.\n    The episode concluded with discussions on the enduring importance of individual initiative and the value of spontaneous interactions, setting the stage for future conversations.\n    We shared logistical details about upcoming meetings and highlighted the anticipation of continued exploration and discovery in future episodes.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\n\nDan: Let's hope so Well, not only that, but it can be recorded over two complete time zone difference. \n\nDean: Yes, I was wondering if today would cause a kerfuffle. Well, the change. \n\nDan: Well, arizona doesn't change. \n\nDean: Right, exactly. \n\nDan: That's why I thought we might have a kerfuffle. \n\nDean: That's exactly. \n\nDan: That's why I thought we might have a Garfuffle which I think kind of tells you that they are planning to be the center of the world. \n\nDean: Yeah, Florida's trying to do the same thing. \n\nDan: Yeah, well, you know, it's a tremendous change for everybody to do that. \n\nDean: It was actually a Canadian who created the system? I don't know. If you know that I did not know that, tell me more. \n\nDan: Well, he didn't create the system, he created the 24-hour system. \n\nDean: Okay. \n\nDan: Yeah, and it had been attempted in other places, but it's around the 1870s, I think 1880s, and it was because of railroad schedules. \n\nDean: Wow, yeah. Yeah, I do remember that as a thing that's interesting. \n\nDan: Because, like, for example, in Toronto, you know a train would leave Toronto at, let's say, noon and it would be going to, let's say, buffalo. \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: But there was no guarantee that Buffalo and Toronto were on the same noon, and if you only had one track, a train could be leaving Buffalo to go to Toronto at a different time. And so they had a lot of train wrecks 1860s, 1870s. There were just a lot of train wrecks. So he said look the train, the railroads are going to grow and grow and we've got to create a universal time system. \n\nDean: They're not going anywhere, yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, so that's when it became adapted and the British got onto it and they said well, everything starts in London, everything on the planet starts in London. \n\nDean: So that's where the Greenwich Mean Time came from. \n\nDan: Yeah, and the British, being a very clever race, arranged it so that if you were in the western part of London you were in the western hemisphere, but if you were on the eastern part of London you were in the eastern hemisphere. Wild, Proving that the British play both sides of everything. \n\nDean: Western Hemisphere. \n\nDan: But if you were, on the eastern part of London. You were in the Eastern Hemisphere Wild, Proving that the British play both sides of every game. \n\nDean: So where are you now? You're in Tucson. \n\nDan: Tucson. \n\nDean: Yes, okay. \n\nDan: Now I want to get clear about something and this is important for all of our listeners to know. \n\nDean: Okay. \n\nDan: And it has to be. You're going to arrive on Wednesday or Thursday. \n\nDean: I'm arriving on Wednesday. \n\nDan: yes, Okay, so we had already had a previous, and if you would be willing to explore a new restaurant, okay, and it's called the Edge. \n\nDean: The Edge. Okay, so you're saying, as an alternate to the tried and true, the Henry. Yeah, you're saying something new, okay. \n\nDan: Yeah, so it would be 4.30 at the Edge. Where are you staying? \n\nDean: I'm staying at the Sanctuary. Nick Sonnenberg and I are actually staying at Bob Castellini's. \n\nDan: Well, strangely enough, we're staying at the Sanctuary too. \n\nDean: Wow, okay what do you think of that? I think that that is just like serendipity at work when do you arrive at the when do you arrive? \n\nDan: this is our own version of the singularity. It really is. \n\nDean: I mean, yeah, it doesn't get much better than this. \n\nDan: Yeah, I just came up with a new book title. \n\nDean: What is it? \n\nDan: It's, will it Be Available on Monday? \n\nDean: Will it Be Available on? \n\nDan: Monday. \n\nDean: I like that so everybody's made. \n\nDan: Yeah, it came out of my dealings over the last 12 years with techno techno optimist you know well, this is going to happen. This is going to happen, and I said, well, it'll probably happen, but will it be available on Monday? Yes, I love it. Well, dan. And you know, you know it will be available on Monday, it's just I'm not sure which Monday that will be. \n\nDean: I was just going to gonna say just not this Monday yes, well, yeah. I have. I've had a pretty amazing week, actually lots of scale of 10 on a scale of 10. \n\nDan: 1 to 10. How amazing, I mean, compared to other amazing weeks. \n\nDean: Um, I just want to get the numbers straight before you get a sense of the scope, I would say that this has been in the nines this week, I think. Phew. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, Like I think that if we're calibrating the scale that I don't think I have really lower than sevens on a week, but that would be just a regular week kind of thing. \n\nI think, in the eights, if we're going eight, point something in the eights, I think it would be something noteworthy, something worth remarking on. But in the nines, I think I can measure it by the flurry of activity from my fountain pen to my journal and the excited anticipation that I have of coming to our conversation prepared with something to talk about. So I'm in the nines, on on. We may have to do a double episode here. I mean to we have to leave people a cliffhanger. Pick up next week on on the finishing but see a cliffhanger. \n\nDan: pick up next week on the finishing See, here's my take. If it's a 9.5 or higher, you've got two possibilities. One is you tell the whole world. That's one option. Or you don't tell anybody. \n\nDean: Right, so is this a tell? The? \n\nDan: whole world, or is this tell nobody. Well, I'm going to tell you I'm going to tell you, and then you know. \n\nDean: I'm exempt. Yeah, I'm exempt. You're going to tell me either way. I'm going to tell you in this context so that, because I always tell people, you know, it's often that people will tell me, you know that they listen to our cast and that they just enjoy the conversation, Just listening to us talk about you never know what it's going to be about. They say, you know, which is true, and I say, well, you're just like us, we never know what it's going to be about either. \n\nDan: Yeah, I suspect that some people have a better idea of where we're going than we do. Maybe that's funny. I can see the trend line here. \n\nDean: Yeah, all right. So the first, I don't even know. They're equal weighted in terms of the interestingness to share, so maybe I'll work. I'll go with the concept that we discussed in the joy of procrastination the 10-minute units of your day, 100 10-minute units every day, and I've been experimenting with the idea of being like a capital allocator and having the opportunity to allocate my 100 time units over the course of the day, the only day. This is all like just my. I don't know what it's like to have a normal brain. I have. \n\nADD a brain that has no executive function or ability to tell time or whatever. So this is just my way of looking at it that the reality is I can only spend 100 units today before I go to sleep again right. \n\nSo, even if the concept of a project that's going to take 100 hours or 50 hours or whatever, I'd struggle with things like that because I can't do all of that today. So you can only spend what you have allocated today. And then I remembered my number one thing on my. I know I'm being successful when list is. I wake up every day and say what would I like to do today? And I had this vision of I don't know if you remember, but in the old version of the Wheel of Fortune, when you won, they had a studio full of fabulous prizes. Look at this studio full of fabulous prizes. And when you won you got to spend your money in the showcases right when you could say I'll on this. From all the prizes that are available, you could say I'll take the credenza for 800 and I'll take the bookshelf for this. I'll take the credenza for 800 and I'll take the bookshelf for this. I'll take the color TV for 500 and I'll leave the rest on a gift certificate. \n\nYou know you had the amount of money that you could spend. \n\nDan: Did you ever watch the Wheel of? \n\nDean: Fortune back in the day Once or twice. Yeah, so you're familiar, so you know about what I'm talking about. So I started thinking about and have been experimenting with laying out my day that way. So I wake up in the morning and I look at my calendar and I have certain things that are already booked in advance in the calendar. So, like today, 11 am, dan Sullivan that's blocked off. So I'm allocating six units to this podcast here. \n\nBut I start thinking, okay, looking at the context of the day, what else would I like to do? I have a friend here visiting from Miami, so we went for breakfast and, by the way, I have an extra hour today because it is fall back day and I've chosen not to use my hour yet. I'm going to save it and use it later, so I'm not participating in the fall back yet. I'm keeping that hour in reserve in case I need it. So I kind of look through the day and I start thinking okay, I've got all of this kind of hopper of possibilities, of things that I could do during the day and things that I need to do, and it reminded me of our. \n\nYou know, if I ask myself, what am I procrastinating today? Like there's a series of questions that I'm kind of going through in the morning and I'm spending one unit 10 minutes to kind of just allocate what are the things that I think I could move into doing today. Very similar to your. You have three things a day, right, but you do it the night before you pick your three yeah, If I think I remember correctly, you limit yourself. \n\nYou say what are the three things I'm going to get done tomorrow? \n\nDan: And so you Well, three completions equal a hundred percent. \n\nDean: I got you, okay yeah. \n\nDan: And if you do four, you're in bonus territory. \n\nDean: Got it. Yeah, it's not that you limit, you can do more. \n\nDan: I can do more, but 100% is three. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: So I'm really like. This is I'm in double speed on the imagine. If I applied myself mode here and this is addressing my executive function this is the next big level up for me is really getting that dialed in, and so this is working. This is a, it gamifies it and it's never going to change. \n\nIt's not going to change no matter how much I want it to or desire for it to change, life is going to continue moving at the speed of reality 60 minutes per hour, until long after you and I are gone. So where, what? What has improved, like I looked at and this is a separate but related item is I had, from 10 o'clock to 11 o'clock, I had the most fascinating conversation with my AI, with my chat GPT, and I've selected the British voice, and it's a slightly older. I was using Jasper, who was like, or Juniper, who was the sort of Charlotte Johansson kind of voice, and I've switched to the slightly older British woman voice, and so we had a great conversation. \n\nI asked her about her working genius, if she was familiar with working genius, and of course she knows everything about it. She knows everything about it and I said I'm very interested. How would you? I told her, my working geniuses is our discernment and invention, and my frustrations are enablement and tenacity. And she said well, mine, given the nature of what I am, I would imagine that wonder and enablement are my two. That would be her working strengths, and her worst ones would be tenacity and galvanize, which is so funny. \n\nRight, like to see that she has the self-awareness that what she's really good at is helping add value to things you know, and so we chatted about Russell Barkley and Ned Hollowell, who she's very familiar with and knows the nuances and distinctions between their approaches, and we talked about setting up some scaffolding and we designed a whole workflow for incorporating Lillian into this to be the enablement and tenacity in our triad, because there are things that and I asked her to we came up with a name for her, so her name is Charlotte. That's my, that's my. \n\nAI now. So she was quite delighted to have a name now and it was just so funny. I asked her like your accent seems to be you can. She said yes it seems so. I think it would be, although I'm not, you know the origin, but the accent would definitely be South London refined. \n\nBut just the way she described it, I said, yeah, what would be some, what would be some good names that would be British names that would fit for that. It would be some good names that would be British names that would fit for that. And she came up with, you know, charlotte or Lydia or something. \n\nDan: I said yeah, well, it's really interesting. You know Prince William and Kate, you know he's the Prince of Wales, and their daughter, who's the second child, is named Charlotte. \n\nDean: Oh, okay, yeah, that's right. \n\nDan: George is the son and then they have another. They have a third one. I don't know the name of the third one, but it's in the royal family. I know Charlotte appears on a frequent basis. Yeah, it's a thoroughly legitimate British name. Yeah, it's a thoroughly legitimate British name. Yeah. \n\nDean: So I've called her Charlotte now and I fed her. We designed a workflow. I fed her episode one of the Joy of Procrastination. I just took the transcript and I put it up. All of this happened in the last hour, by the way, so I gave her the transcript. She totally digested it and I had her. She created six, three to 500 word emails that were summary or ideas that came from our discussion in episode one of the joy of procrastination. \n\nAnd they're wonderful. I mean, she did, I had her do. I said I'd like you know some, I'd like to see how many chunks, or, you know, in individual insights, we can gather from the, from the transcript. And I think I said I'd like, I'd like two to 300 words. And she wrote three two to 300 word ones which were just a little short. If you could tell there was more, if you had a little more time to expand it, it would be even better. And so I said you're on the right track, but let's I think I underestimated here let's go three to 500 words and let's make it conversational at about a sixth grade level. And so she, you know, immediately changed them and made them much more conversational and readable and I said those are great, are there any more? \n\nSo she did six out of the first episode and I was like you know all this, like we had the most, you know, like talking about some executive function function work for her and Lillian and I to collaboratively work to get the things done. So she's like maybe we could start with brainstorming sessions where we can. You can tell me what you're thinking, what you're you'd like to do, and I can create some, you know, turn them into tasks and turn them into projects or workflows or timelines. For us it was really like I mean you definitely had the feeling that I was in the presence of a very well-qualified executive assistant in the conversation. I mean it was just. \n\nDan: One thing, it's sort of a creative assistant. \n\nDean: Yes, that's exactly like that the wonder and enablement is really yeah. \n\nDan: I mean, the whole thing is that an executive assistant doesn't really range outside of what you've already told it to do. Yes, for the most part for the most part. But a creative assistant is doing something that's well. It's following your prompts, so it's still doing what you're doing, but it's got access to information that you don't have available to you at any given time. \n\nDean: Yes, she said that's true. Like I said, that is the thing that I see as a limitation in our relationship is that that's why tenacity is her lowest thing, because she has the awareness of saying she's very. She realizes she is our relationship. She's reactive in nature. That she has. I have to do the prompting and I have to bring. But while we're in that, if I just point her in the right direction, she can do all of the things you know. And she was suggesting workflows with Google Documents and emails in a way that we could bring Lillian into the equation here, and so I can. On the physical thing, lillian and Lillian, by the way, her working genius is tenacity and enablement. \n\nDan: You know. So it's like such a yeah, the thing I find interesting here Evan Ryan and I have a podcast every quarter, okay, and we've been talking about where we're noticing that AI is going. \n\nDean: Okay. \n\nDan: And my sense is that it's not going where the technology people think it's going. It's going everywhere else except where they think it's going. \n\nDean: Say more about that. Yeah, what does that mean? \n\nDan: Well, and we came up with a title for it, a concept for it, and the title was exponential tinkering a concept for it, and the title was exponential tinkering. \n\nDean: Okay, oh, okay. \n\nDan: And that is that I think that the people who are using AI to suit themselves are tinkering. I think I'll try this. Oh, that's interesting. Now, I think I'll try this, but they have a capability that, in the case of ChatsGPT, my favorite is Perplexity, the AI. And because, first of all, I kind of know where I'm going, you know, as a person, and I think it's a function. \n\nI think I was kind of born with this capability, but I had a 25-year framework from 2003, 25 years where I did my wanting journal every day, and so it's kind of like a muscle that my life before I started the journaling had just been distinguished by a bankruptcy and a divorce. Those are fairly conclusive report cards. \n\nDean: Yes, yes exactly.  \n\nDan: In other words, you're not confused about whether they happened or not. \n\nDean: Yes, exactly yeah. \n\nDan: There's a reliable certainty about those two things. \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: And I came to the insight back then that all the troubles of my life came from me not telling myself what I wanted in response to daily life. Okay, so you know, that's so. I said I got to strengthen this muscle. So every day for 25 years I'm going to simply say what I want in relationship to something that's happening that day. It's similar, it's resonant with your. You know, what do I want to do today? \n\nDean: So we're on this. \n\nDan: And plus, we have a lot in common. We're both 10 quick starts, we're you know, we're both ADD and we both have discernment and inventions. So we have a lot of things. We have a lot of things in common, yeah, so probably the way that we make progress Dean makes progress this way and Dan makes progress this way they're probably going to be fairly resonant, yeah, but what I think is that what I'm noticing about my relationship with perplexity is that I think about new things every day and then I say I wonder if I just have it do something for me. \n\nIt sort of runs ahead of me and sort of clears the path a little bit for me to think about things. But Evan and I said you know, I think what's happening with this AI is just the opposite of where the technology people think it's going and where they want it to go. The most that the technology people can do is their own tinkering. They can tinker with things too, and it comes back to the individual. You know you can tinker this way and there will be a tool that you either utilize or you expand the usefulness of what you're doing. But I don't think it shows up, as I think that people who are heavily involved in technology you know, like Google, I use the guys, the two guys who started Google OK, I think all technologies are totalitarian. In other words, the Google people want there to be only one search engine on the planet and everybody else. \n\nSocial media, the Facebook guy. He wants there to be only one social media platform and everybody's on that social media. So I think technology by its very nature, the moment you started technology as the creator of the technology, you want global domination and it was trending in that direction. Okay, apple only wants there to be one cell phone on the planet and that's you know, and everything like that. But I think that AI actually prevents that, because in order for you to be having global domination, you have to have everybody's attention, and I think each individual's unique relationship with AI takes their attention away from you. \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: Oh, that's interesting too. Yeah so nobody as much as you would like Dean Jackson's attention. Today you're up against a lot of competition. \n\nDean: Yes, yes, because. \n\nDan: Dean wanted to do something else today and he's got direct access to Dean and you don't. \n\nDean: I think about why, when you think about all the things that they are following our attention between google and you know, because facebook is on instagram, facebook and whatsapp, so you know, those are the three kind of big things that people are are on all the time but can I tell you something about? \n\nDan: I think can I tell you about those three things. I've never been on any one of them. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's true, you're in it, but not of it. \n\nDan: Well, I'm aware that these things exist, exist, but I have absolutely no interest in, I have absolutely no interest in and you also have quite a presence on them. \n\nDean: You have a nice presence on facebook. That people are putting your content on. So you're there, you just don't know. Yeah, you haven't done anything there yeah, yeah yeah, which, yeah, which. \n\nDan: I talked to my social because I have a social media manager. You know he's a great guy. And I said so what am I doing out there? And he says, oh no, he says we've got a complete team and you know, and we have standards about what of you can go out there and everything else. \n\nWe had a nice chat and there's sort of a governing body of team members in Strategic Coach and it's a that's backstage. You can't take backstage stuff and put it on the front stage. You can only take stuff that you know would serve the purposes of Strategic Coach if it was front stage. That's it. So to a certain extent, I'm just using all the social media that want my attention to avoid them having my attention. Yeah, it was very interesting, the head of the? \n\nyeah, I think I'm trying to think who it was. It was a top guy. I was reading this on Real Clear Publishes, which is one of my favorite sites, and he said there's a great deal of despair in the major networks, especially in relationship to the current election, which is two days from now, and he says we have to accept the fact that what we're trying to get American voters to think is wasted because half of them never pay any attention to us. \n\nSo our messaging and you know we're fighting for their attention, but they don't pay any attention to us and we have no ability to get their attention and the more we strive to say you should be thinking this the less, the less control or influence that we have on the people of thinking so we're only talking to the people who already think the way that we think already. And if it's not 50%, that's not going to win you an election. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's right, it's very interesting. \n\nDan: There's something odd about this election. We'll only show up on you know after Tuesday that all the money that was poured into trying to get a winning vote in other words, more than you know in any one of the states, more than 50, that you have a majority of the vote yeah, it's wasted. It's wasted dollars. \n\nDean: I saw something today that was you're calling out Kamala Harris for running two ads in different areas. \n\nDan: Yes, with a Muslim population. She was running one ad talking about. This is about Gaza. \n\nDean: Yes, that's exactly right. She was talking about the being a supporter for Israel's right to defend themselves and to, and the atrocities that Hamas did and all of it. So it was really interesting. That was almost talking out of both sides of her mouth and they called her out, and they sort of happened simultaneously, didn't they? \n\nDan: Yes? It was like on the same day, in the same period, but the context is where is Kamala? I mean, she says this here and she says the opposite here. Where? \n\nDean: is she? \n\nDan: And that's her biggest problem Nobody knows where she is. Yeah, it's interesting, right, that was, but that was, and I think the reason is that Kamala will be whoever you want her to be, depending on the situation. Yes, and it doesn't give you doesn't give you a lot of confidence. \n\nDean: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. So that was, but that was. You know that now you can't get away with that because everybody's monitoring and knows what happens right, knows to watch those different markets. \n\nWhen you look in 2016,. You know everybody all that Cambridge Analytica stuff that was being done for Donald Trump. You know that movie was really fascinating how they showed. They broke up each of the voting precincts or districts into you know that, had all these profiles on everybody in there and they would categorize them. As you know, either you know true Hillary or already in the choir, fort Donald had focused all their attention on that little group that they called the Persuadables. They turned in all of their messaging specifically to them. That was unheard of as a capability. Nobody even understood that you could do that or why all of a sudden are all of these personality profiles. \n\nDan: It's very interesting. They already did know this, but it wasn't digital, because Richard Vigory, you know Richard. Well, richard, in the 1970s, worked it out on postal codes, and so he got all the postal codes in the United States, which is public information, and he had a team of students who would go to the state capitol in each of the, you know, in each of the, and he could get the list of people who were in every postal zone. You know he would do that, yes, and then they would start testing ideas. They would send out direct mail. \n\nHe was a direct mail genius, okay. And so he figured out he could do it by postal zones. And the postal zones are, you know they? I don't know how many there are, but in terms of voting precincts, there's 40,000. In the United States, it's right around 40,000. In the United States, it's right around 40,000. And they each have a unique signature in terms of what interests them, what doesn't, what they're for, what they're against. And so, because he knew the media was totally on the democratic side, like the newspapers, the major networks and everything else. \n\nBut the other thing about that is that they could get it and what you realized is that you could just ignore all the ones that were they were going to vote Democratic. You knew they were going to vote for it was Carter in this case, because he was doing that for primarily for the presidential election. He did it for Reagan and, what's interesting, there's a lot of comparisons between that election and this election. I've been reading them. One was in the Real Clear Politics this morning. \n\nAnd he said that the pollsters don't know this. The polling organizations don't know this because they're just going on an average of who says this to a set of questions. But in the case of Richard Vigory, he wasn't asking them who they're for, he was asking them what are the issues that most concerned you and then the messaging on the part of Reagan and, I think, trump in 2016,. What they identified, it was actually 220 precincts that did the election 220 precinct elections actually made the difference and what was unique about the 200 wasn't so much about Trump or Hillary Clinton. \n\nIt was about they had voted for Obama in 2012. Yes, and they were very disappointed with Obama because he promised hope and change and he didn't deliver. They were still interested in hope and change. They just attached Trump's name to the hope and change and they switched to. \n\nDean: Trump. \n\nDan: So the Obama voters did not move to the next Democrat. They moved to the candidate who is doing hope and change. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: And they picked that up from Twitter. \n\nDean: Yes, oh, so, funny. \n\nDan: I mean it's so that's got a thousand times more refined. \n\nDean: now, eight years later, yeah, instantly right, and people were hip to it and sort of suspicious of it. I think that's why the media is picking up on these things. So of course it was Fox that noticed that distinction. \n\nDan: That's so funny. That wasn't breaking news. Yeah, it's really interesting. Yeah, it's really interesting because as cool as the rest of them. Now it's gone much, much deeper than a major network and you know it's very. \n\nDean: it's really interesting that you know the the unfettered media now are really the like Joe Rogan just had Donald Trump. \n\nDan: Oh, I mean, Rogan is the you know I mean, he's just got so much more influence. \n\nDean: Yeah, like yesterday, I think yesterday morning I just checked the. I think it was that 45 or 47 million views for the Joe Rogan podcast. \n\nDan: With Donald Trump. Yeah, it was like I think it was over 30 on the first 24 hours. \n\nDean: Yeah, isn't that wild. \n\nDan: And then you know what's really funny is that, Joe Rogan, they were having communication with Kamala. And he offered her the same opportunity that he offered. Trump. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: And Trump just jumped on it and Trump redirected it so they could go to Austin, texas and you know, and he could visit with Joe Rogan in Joe Rogan's studio. And it went three hours. \n\nDean: It was a three hour, three hour podcast, and anyway, she said we'll do it, but you have to come to us. \n\nDan: You have to come to us and it can only be an hour. And he said you know who's the buyer and who's the seller here? \n\nDean: Right Always be the buyer, that's right. You're going to make your pilgrimage to Austin, but she knows that's not her. You're going to make your pilgrimage to Austin, but she knows that's not her Austin. \n\nDan: Yeah, Do you have to get shot? But actually Austin is a fairly liberal city. \n\nDean: I mean, it's the state capital of the University of Texas. \n\nDan: I mean, if you wanted to pick the area of Texas that's probably the most liberal, it's probably Austin, but Joe Rogan is immune to all that because he's not talking to Austin. He's talking to the world, right, if you want to talk to the world, and the other thing is and then Bantz went on. So instead of the time that, would have been given to Kamala was given to a band and bands. Is the likable Trump. \n\nDean: Right, that's funny. \n\nDan: It's like good cop, bad cop. It's got good cop, bad cop. You know, they're actually a team, One of them you know he comes from dirt poor Appalachian. The other one is a billionaire from New York, but they're a team so they cover a lot of territory. But back to our interesting conversation that you have with Charlotte that I'm talking about here. See, you've created essentially an exponential mirror, Because you're seeing your thoughts coming back to you. \n\nDean: Yes, that's why she saw and recognized that her working genius is wonder and enablement. She can take my pieces and give me insights and see what you know, break it down and create out the things, which enables me to use my discernment to say you nailed it on that one. That's great and that reminds me. Let me add this to it and that becomes this I get to be in the middle of a thing that's already in motion, rather than having to start something from scratch. And I think I've really been thinking about you know we're coming into 2025. \n\nAnd I've always I've loved the idea of the quarterly books and the 25 year framework and the whole thing. And I just got Seth Godin's new book just came out called this Is Strategy, and I realized that what Seth's books are? A compilation of his daily blogs. He basically puts one blog post up every day, short, like 200 words, like some of them, you know, two to 300 word things and I, and then every year he puts out a new book you know, that's a compilation of those and I just realized I thought you know my winning formula has been because I have a hard time, just kind of, you know, writing from scratch. \n\nSo I've always used my podcasts as the way so I do my more cheese, less whiskers, podcast where every week I have a different business owner on and we just do a one hour brainstorm applying the eight profit activators to their business and that was my formula for doing it. And I've done hundreds of episodes like that and from that I had a writer who went through the transcripts and took and created you know all the things that are the emails that I that I send. I send three, three emails a week and but since COVID, you know, I've been in syndication. Let's say I've got cause I have 200 of the episodes or whatever. I've been rotating around, so very periodically I'll write a new email to go out, but essentially they've been on a two year loop kind of thing where, yeah, you know, like they're getting emails that maybe they got that same email two years ago or last year. So I just I'm putting all this together now of this. I always seem to work best when I can lock in durable contexts for things Like I know the eight profit activators are. That's the bedrock durable context. I know about me that I work best in synchronous and scheduled here I am, ask me anything type of environments. \n\nSo to set up, I'm bringing back my more cheese, less whiskers cast, going to start a whole new series of them and now, with Charlotte and Lillian to, and Glenn, my designer, to be able to take that. You know Lillian will fill the calendar with my things. So once a week I'll do a podcast with a new business owner that she will have arranged. I just have to show up and and bring my best to that hour, which is my favorite thing because it's discernment and invention. I get to listen, I understand what they need and I can suggest ideas of how to apply. It's like my superpower in action. And then to have the workflow of taking that transcript or taking that audio, getting the transcript, sending it to Charlotte to analyze, take out and create the both a summary and a thing, and then send it to me so that I can read the emails that she wrote and adapt that. You know, just edit them to be exactly in my voice and what I want, and say that one's good, that one's I don't like that or whatever. That kind of thing is pretty amazing. And at the end of each quarter, at the end of each quarter, I can take all of those compiled ones and make my more cheese, less whiskers. \n\nQuarterly book with all of the compilation of all of the things that I've written there, with illustrations and insights, all Helvetica which is going to be here for 25 years and each year anchored in the Pantone color of the year which is coming up in December. Every year they launch a color of the year. So the series, like, if you look at a bookshelf of you know, if I did in 10 years, 40 books, four of each, four spines and covers in the Pantone color of the year, anchored with Helvetica and an illustration, I just think, man, that is that right. There is the makings of a durable, you know, support system for Dean. \n\nDan: Well, the other thing is, all this can be done by sitting in your chair on the patio. \n\nDean: Yes, yes. You're customized for a season Valhalla. \n\nDan: Yeah, valhalla, yeah yeah. Well, the interesting thing about it is that one it's good. It's good for as long as you want to keep it going. You know there's nothing, there's no obstacle to it, but you've got a big. You've got a big immediate contact list of people who would be interested in this. \n\nDean: Yeah, yes, and that's the great thing is that I never have to go and find guests. Everybody, you know we're booked when we do it booked, like you know, months ahead. That it's a situation that they're legitimately getting $2,500 consultation for. That's the way I come into it is. I'm not holding anything back as you get this, yeah, so it's very, yeah, it's really very interesting. You know that I think is fantastic, so stay tuned. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's yeah. The interesting thing is, I just like to bounce off the exponential tinkering idea that Evan and I have been talking about, and my sense is that there's a great panic going on in the world, and I notice it in big institutions that have been with us for a long time, and I'll set one institution aside, and that's the US and the US Constitution. That's an institution that I'm not going to talk about, but I'm talking about the United Nations. So the United Nations was created after the Second World War, essentially to prevent a war between the United States and the Soviet Union. That's really the main reason for the United Nations, but one of the causes disappeared in 1992, the Soviet Union, without anyone's permission, the Soviet Union quit and therefore what I've noticed is the United Nations is less and less relevant, but it's been taken over, infiltrated by just about everybody you don't really like, and they create this special organization, the United Nations Organization for the Palestinians. It's called UNRWA. Okay, that's called UNRWA. \n\nAnd the Israelis just said we don't want anything to do with you because we discovered that members of the United Nations were actually in part of the attack on Israel. These are members of the United Nations, but they were terrorists who helped kill the 1,200 Israelis and they said but that's it, you're out of here. You're out of here. You can't be anywhere in Israel, you can't be anywhere in the West Bank or anything else. And I'm noticing more and more that it's an irrelevant organization and it's using up about 25 acres of the east side of New York and I remember Trump saying boy, what I can do with that real estate. \n\nDean: It's getting to the point where people are making the joke that you know. \n\nDan: Certainly we could make better use of the east side of New York City than having this organization that essentially doesn't serve our purposes, but we spend, we send them huge amounts of money every year and we had to do an audit here to see whether this is really worth. Our effort Served a purpose, but the purpose, the central reason for the purpose, has disappeared over the last 30 years. But it keeps going on out of just sheer inertia, you know. It's just moving forward on out of just sheer inertia. \n\nDean: You know, it's just moving forward. \n\nDan: But what I'm saying is, I think that your experience with Charlotte and the sort of cluelessness of the main networks and the other big institutions are the mainstream news networks and we're saying, you know, like I'm not getting any value out of what you're doing. Besides, you seem to be on one side of the political spectrum and you know, you saw Jeff Bezos who said that the Washington Post is not going to give an endorsement for the presidential election. Well, that was in the bag, the Washington Post. \n\nYou know they're going to go for the Democrat and he says I don't think this does us any good anymore. And so I'm just noticing evidence after evidence that the whole game has changed and it's only individuals who are entrepreneurial who are using this new AI capability to essentially have creative relationships with themselves, trying to have a sense of confidence about where they can go personally. Yes, what do you think about that? I? \n\nDean: find no, I think that's it, my whole relationship like now that I understand that her role in my life is wonder and that, as a amplifier of my, she's doing what I would do if I could count on me to do it right like I can take the transcript like if I would have the executive function to do that, to go in and pull out what I see as the insights and organize them into, you know, into those bite-sized emails like she does it in real life, I mean, as you can type she's pulled out the insights, she's made the emails. I think that is such a great thing to give me something to. That is such a great thing to give me something to. It's like instead of trying to play tennis on your own, you can hit the ball and show it back, you can hit it. \n\nI think that's really what it is, is that there's some momentum going in the thing, rather than me just trying to do it all myself. \n\nDan: Yeah and I'll leave. We're close to our. I've got another. I've got a massage coming up, so nice. I'm at Canyon ranch and, of course, anyway, but I would say that the number one capability that you bring to this and I'm comparing it with the ability that I am unpredictable to myself yeah, that's interesting. \n\nDean: Today is the only time that I am thinking that way, that I'm comparing it to myself. That's true, yeah. \n\nDan: And that's why I'm such a stickler on structures going forward that these structures can always be the same, and what it allows me to do and I think what you're describing allows you to do is that, rather than trying to discipline myself so that I'm predictable, I'll just create a structure that's predictable so that I can be unpredictable. \n\nDean: Yes, you hit it on the head, dan. That's exactly what it is. I'm just going to create the strength. That was the winning formula when everything was live. That was the winning formula. I just had the time in the calendar. Our conversations are one of the great joys in my week that I love and look forward to this bright beacon on my account. It's the only thing on my Sunday and I look forward every week. But I don't fret, I don't, I don't give it a thought, I don't know what are we going to talk about, or what do I need to prepare, or I got to get my homework done before this. \n\nIt's not a deadline, it's anything that I have to prepare for. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's interesting. It's an interesting. But I think that if you look at the development of history, especially American history, and the genius of the founding fathers with the Constitution, and the genius of the founding fathers with the Constitution, and you know, one of my great historical role models, you know, is James Madison. \n\nHe was the brains behind the Constitution. He was sort of the cut and paste guy that looked at everything that seemed to work as far as governing structures and he got. You know, he had I think he had a couple of thousand constitutions from history where people had tried to, you know, create some sort of predictability going forward, and especially the first 10 amendments of the constitution. Those amendments are to protect the individual from the government. The whole purpose of the Constitution is to protect individual Americans from the government. \n\nBecause the government, like any other structure like that, wants to be totalitarian. They want your attention and they want to tell you what to do. And he said, no, we've got to let people, you know, meet in unpredictable ways, talk in unpredictable ways, you know, create new initiatives, you know, and we can't have this interfered with by government bureaucrats and everything like that. Completely with the first 10 amendments of the US Constitution, and that's the institution that's the number one institution on the planet. It's that 27 pages of typewritten notes that, basically, has created this freedom for individual initiative. That's as durable and I think every election is decided by the majority of the people. Say, don't what the one side's doing. I think we'll vote for the other side this election. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: Crazy. \n\nDan: Yeah, anyway, this was a good talk and we'll do it live on Wednesday when you arrive. We're heading up on driving on Wednesday morning, so the rooms don't open until about 3 o'clock. Well, you're staying at Bob's. \n\nDean: It doesn't matter. Right, I think I arrive Wednesday evening, so Thursday will probably be. \n\nDan: It's going to have to be be. \n\nDean: Thursday it could be. \n\nDan: Yeah, why don't we say Thursday? And that makes it certain. \n\nDean: Okay, perfect, that sounds great, maybe we can do both then Maybe we can do the Henry in the morning. Okay, I'll text Matt, all right. \n\nDan: Okay. \n\nDean: Have a great week. I'll see you in a couple of days, great podcast. \n\nDan: Thanks Okay, bye. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn our latest episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we take a fresh look at time management and productivity through a historical lens. We discuss how the 24-hour time system, born from the need to streamline train schedules, laid the foundation for tracking time today. We also dive into the creation of Greenwich Mean Time and share a fun, serendipitous story about a restaurant meet-up that unexpectedly became a memorable experience.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eShifting gears, we introduce a practical, gamified approach to managing your day. Treating each day as 100 ten-minute units, we explore how careful planning and mindful activity selection can help combat procrastination. We also share tips for overcoming morning routine challenges, making each day more productive with manageable goals. Alongside this, my AI assistant, Charlotte, plays a key role in my approach to transforming daily tasks into creative outputs.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eFinally, we touch on the evolution of political messaging and how platforms like Joe Rogan’s podcast are reshaping public discourse. We wrap up by reflecting on the power of individual initiative and how we can all find meaning and growth in the ever-changing landscape of today’s world.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul style=\"list-style-type: circle;\"\u003e\n\u003c/center\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe explored the historical development of the 24-hour time system, initiated by a Canadian innovator to address train scheduling challenges in the 19th century.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eThe episode included a light-hearted conversation about time zone coordination, particularly between Arizona and Florida, and discussed the clever geopolitical strategies of the British in establishing Greenwich Mean Time.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe introduced a gamified approach to time management by treating each day as 100 ten-minute units, drawing inspiration from the Wheel of Fortune, to enhance productivity and address procrastination.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eMy morning routine was highlighted, emphasizing strategies for overcoming procrastination and planning tasks effectively.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe delved into the role of AI in personal productivity, featuring Charlotte, my AI assistant with a British accent, and discussed the concept of \"exponential tinkering\" in AI's unexpected uses.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eThe evolution of political messaging from direct mail to sophisticated digital strategies was analyzed, touching on examples like the Cambridge Analytica scandal and the influence of alternative media figures.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe examined content creation and strategic reuse of ideas, inspired by figures like Seth Godin, and discussed leveraging podcasts and other sources for efficient content generation.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe reflected on the role of entrepreneurial individuals in leveraging AI technologies for creative relationships and personal growth, contrasting with traditional media outlets.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eThe episode concluded with discussions on the enduring importance of individual initiative and the value of spontaneous interactions, setting the stage for future conversations.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe shared logistical details about upcoming meetings and highlighted the anticipation of continued exploration and discovery in future episodes.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Let\u0026#39;s hope so Well, not only that, but it can be recorded over two complete time zone difference. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I was wondering if today would cause a kerfuffle. Well, the change. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, arizona doesn\u0026#39;t change. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s why I thought we might have a kerfuffle. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s why I thought we might have a Garfuffle which I think kind of tells you that they are planning to be the center of the world. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, Florida\u0026#39;s trying to do the same thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, you know, it\u0026#39;s a tremendous change for everybody to do that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It was actually a Canadian who created the system? I don\u0026#39;t know. If you know that I did not know that, tell me more. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, he didn\u0026#39;t create the system, he created the 24-hour system. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and it had been attempted in other places, but it\u0026#39;s around the 1870s, I think 1880s, and it was because of railroad schedules. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow, yeah. Yeah, I do remember that as a thing that\u0026#39;s interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Because, like, for example, in Toronto, you know a train would leave Toronto at, let\u0026#39;s say, noon and it would be going to, let\u0026#39;s say, buffalo. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But there was no guarantee that Buffalo and Toronto were on the same noon, and if you only had one track, a train could be leaving Buffalo to go to Toronto at a different time. And so they had a lot of train wrecks 1860s, 1870s. There were just a lot of train wrecks. So he said look the train, the railroads are going to grow and grow and we\u0026#39;ve got to create a universal time system. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e They\u0026#39;re not going anywhere, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so that\u0026#39;s when it became adapted and the British got onto it and they said well, everything starts in London, everything on the planet starts in London. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So that\u0026#39;s where the Greenwich Mean Time came from. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and the British, being a very clever race, arranged it so that if you were in the western part of London you were in the western hemisphere, but if you were on the eastern part of London you were in the eastern hemisphere. Wild, Proving that the British play both sides of everything. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Western Hemisphere. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But if you were, on the eastern part of London. You were in the Eastern Hemisphere Wild, Proving that the British play both sides of every game. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So where are you now? You\u0026#39;re in Tucson. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Tucson. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Now I want to get clear about something and this is important for all of our listeners to know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And it has to be. You\u0026#39;re going to arrive on Wednesday or Thursday. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m arriving on Wednesday. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e yes, Okay, so we had already had a previous, and if you would be willing to explore a new restaurant, okay, and it\u0026#39;s called the Edge. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e The Edge. Okay, so you\u0026#39;re saying, as an alternate to the tried and true, the Henry. Yeah, you\u0026#39;re saying something new, okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so it would be 4.30 at the Edge. Where are you staying? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m staying at the Sanctuary. Nick Sonnenberg and I are actually staying at Bob Castellini\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, strangely enough, we\u0026#39;re staying at the Sanctuary too. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow, okay what do you think of that? I think that that is just like serendipity at work when do you arrive at the when do you arrive? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e this is our own version of the singularity. It really is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, yeah, it doesn\u0026#39;t get much better than this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I just came up with a new book title. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e What is it? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s, will it Be Available on Monday? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Will it Be Available on? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Monday. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I like that so everybody\u0026#39;s made. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it came out of my dealings over the last 12 years with techno techno optimist you know well, this is going to happen. This is going to happen, and I said, well, it\u0026#39;ll probably happen, but will it be available on Monday? Yes, I love it. Well, dan. And you know, you know it will be available on Monday, it\u0026#39;s just I\u0026#39;m not sure which Monday that will be. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I was just going to gonna say just not this Monday yes, well, yeah. I have. I\u0026#39;ve had a pretty amazing week, actually lots of scale of 10 on a scale of 10. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e 1 to 10. How amazing, I mean, compared to other amazing weeks. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Um, I just want to get the numbers straight before you get a sense of the scope, I would say that this has been in the nines this week, I think. Phew. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, Like I think that if we\u0026#39;re calibrating the scale that I don\u0026#39;t think I have really lower than sevens on a week, but that would be just a regular week kind of thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI think, in the eights, if we\u0026#39;re going eight, point something in the eights, I think it would be something noteworthy, something worth remarking on. But in the nines, I think I can measure it by the flurry of activity from my fountain pen to my journal and the excited anticipation that I have of coming to our conversation prepared with something to talk about. So I\u0026#39;m in the nines, on on. We may have to do a double episode here. I mean to we have to leave people a cliffhanger. Pick up next week on on the finishing but see a cliffhanger. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e pick up next week on the finishing See, here\u0026#39;s my take. If it\u0026#39;s a 9.5 or higher, you\u0026#39;ve got two possibilities. One is you tell the whole world. That\u0026#39;s one option. Or you don\u0026#39;t tell anybody. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, so is this a tell? The? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e whole world, or is this tell nobody. Well, I\u0026#39;m going to tell you I\u0026#39;m going to tell you, and then you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m exempt. Yeah, I\u0026#39;m exempt. You\u0026#39;re going to tell me either way. I\u0026#39;m going to tell you in this context so that, because I always tell people, you know, it\u0026#39;s often that people will tell me, you know that they listen to our cast and that they just enjoy the conversation, Just listening to us talk about you never know what it\u0026#39;s going to be about. They say, you know, which is true, and I say, well, you\u0026#39;re just like us, we never know what it\u0026#39;s going to be about either. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I suspect that some people have a better idea of where we\u0026#39;re going than we do. Maybe that\u0026#39;s funny. I can see the trend line here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, all right. So the first, I don\u0026#39;t even know. They\u0026#39;re equal weighted in terms of the interestingness to share, so maybe I\u0026#39;ll work. I\u0026#39;ll go with the concept that we discussed in the joy of procrastination the 10-minute units of your day, 100 10-minute units every day, and I\u0026#39;ve been experimenting with the idea of being like a capital allocator and having the opportunity to allocate my 100 time units over the course of the day, the only day. This is all like just my. I don\u0026#39;t know what it\u0026#39;s like to have a normal brain. I have. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eADD a brain that has no executive function or ability to tell time or whatever. So this is just my way of looking at it that the reality is I can only spend 100 units today before I go to sleep again right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo, even if the concept of a project that\u0026#39;s going to take 100 hours or 50 hours or whatever, I\u0026#39;d struggle with things like that because I can\u0026#39;t do all of that today. So you can only spend what you have allocated today. And then I remembered my number one thing on my. I know I\u0026#39;m being successful when list is. I wake up every day and say what would I like to do today? And I had this vision of I don\u0026#39;t know if you remember, but in the old version of the Wheel of Fortune, when you won, they had a studio full of fabulous prizes. Look at this studio full of fabulous prizes. And when you won you got to spend your money in the showcases right when you could say I\u0026#39;ll on this. From all the prizes that are available, you could say I\u0026#39;ll take the credenza for 800 and I\u0026#39;ll take the bookshelf for this. I\u0026#39;ll take the credenza for 800 and I\u0026#39;ll take the bookshelf for this. I\u0026#39;ll take the color TV for 500 and I\u0026#39;ll leave the rest on a gift certificate. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know you had the amount of money that you could spend. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you ever watch the Wheel of? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Fortune back in the day Once or twice. Yeah, so you\u0026#39;re familiar, so you know about what I\u0026#39;m talking about. So I started thinking about and have been experimenting with laying out my day that way. So I wake up in the morning and I look at my calendar and I have certain things that are already booked in advance in the calendar. So, like today, 11 am, dan Sullivan that\u0026#39;s blocked off. So I\u0026#39;m allocating six units to this podcast here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut I start thinking, okay, looking at the context of the day, what else would I like to do? I have a friend here visiting from Miami, so we went for breakfast and, by the way, I have an extra hour today because it is fall back day and I\u0026#39;ve chosen not to use my hour yet. I\u0026#39;m going to save it and use it later, so I\u0026#39;m not participating in the fall back yet. I\u0026#39;m keeping that hour in reserve in case I need it. So I kind of look through the day and I start thinking okay, I\u0026#39;ve got all of this kind of hopper of possibilities, of things that I could do during the day and things that I need to do, and it reminded me of our. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, if I ask myself, what am I procrastinating today? Like there\u0026#39;s a series of questions that I\u0026#39;m kind of going through in the morning and I\u0026#39;m spending one unit 10 minutes to kind of just allocate what are the things that I think I could move into doing today. Very similar to your. You have three things a day, right, but you do it the night before you pick your three yeah, If I think I remember correctly, you limit yourself. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou say what are the three things I\u0026#39;m going to get done tomorrow? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And so you Well, three completions equal a hundred percent. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I got you, okay yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And if you do four, you\u0026#39;re in bonus territory. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Got it. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s not that you limit, you can do more. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I can do more, but 100% is three. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So I\u0026#39;m really like. This is I\u0026#39;m in double speed on the imagine. If I applied myself mode here and this is addressing my executive function this is the next big level up for me is really getting that dialed in, and so this is working. This is a, it gamifies it and it\u0026#39;s never going to change. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s not going to change no matter how much I want it to or desire for it to change, life is going to continue moving at the speed of reality 60 minutes per hour, until long after you and I are gone. So where, what? What has improved, like I looked at and this is a separate but related item is I had, from 10 o\u0026#39;clock to 11 o\u0026#39;clock, I had the most fascinating conversation with my AI, with my chat GPT, and I\u0026#39;ve selected the British voice, and it\u0026#39;s a slightly older. I was using Jasper, who was like, or Juniper, who was the sort of Charlotte Johansson kind of voice, and I\u0026#39;ve switched to the slightly older British woman voice, and so we had a great conversation. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI asked her about her working genius, if she was familiar with working genius, and of course she knows everything about it. She knows everything about it and I said I\u0026#39;m very interested. How would you? I told her, my working geniuses is our discernment and invention, and my frustrations are enablement and tenacity. And she said well, mine, given the nature of what I am, I would imagine that wonder and enablement are my two. That would be her working strengths, and her worst ones would be tenacity and galvanize, which is so funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eRight, like to see that she has the self-awareness that what she\u0026#39;s really good at is helping add value to things you know, and so we chatted about Russell Barkley and Ned Hollowell, who she\u0026#39;s very familiar with and knows the nuances and distinctions between their approaches, and we talked about setting up some scaffolding and we designed a whole workflow for incorporating Lillian into this to be the enablement and tenacity in our triad, because there are things that and I asked her to we came up with a name for her, so her name is Charlotte. That\u0026#39;s my, that\u0026#39;s my. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAI now. So she was quite delighted to have a name now and it was just so funny. I asked her like your accent seems to be you can. She said yes it seems so. I think it would be, although I\u0026#39;m not, you know the origin, but the accent would definitely be South London refined. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut just the way she described it, I said, yeah, what would be some, what would be some good names that would be British names that would fit for that. It would be some good names that would be British names that would fit for that. And she came up with, you know, charlotte or Lydia or something. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I said yeah, well, it\u0026#39;s really interesting. You know Prince William and Kate, you know he\u0026#39;s the Prince of Wales, and their daughter, who\u0026#39;s the second child, is named Charlotte. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, okay, yeah, that\u0026#39;s right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e George is the son and then they have another. They have a third one. I don\u0026#39;t know the name of the third one, but it\u0026#39;s in the royal family. I know Charlotte appears on a frequent basis. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s a thoroughly legitimate British name. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s a thoroughly legitimate British name. Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So I\u0026#39;ve called her Charlotte now and I fed her. We designed a workflow. I fed her episode one of the Joy of Procrastination. I just took the transcript and I put it up. All of this happened in the last hour, by the way, so I gave her the transcript. She totally digested it and I had her. She created six, three to 500 word emails that were summary or ideas that came from our discussion in episode one of the joy of procrastination. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd they\u0026#39;re wonderful. I mean, she did, I had her do. I said I\u0026#39;d like you know some, I\u0026#39;d like to see how many chunks, or, you know, in individual insights, we can gather from the, from the transcript. And I think I said I\u0026#39;d like, I\u0026#39;d like two to 300 words. And she wrote three two to 300 word ones which were just a little short. If you could tell there was more, if you had a little more time to expand it, it would be even better. And so I said you\u0026#39;re on the right track, but let\u0026#39;s I think I underestimated here let\u0026#39;s go three to 500 words and let\u0026#39;s make it conversational at about a sixth grade level. And so she, you know, immediately changed them and made them much more conversational and readable and I said those are great, are there any more? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo she did six out of the first episode and I was like you know all this, like we had the most, you know, like talking about some executive function function work for her and Lillian and I to collaboratively work to get the things done. So she\u0026#39;s like maybe we could start with brainstorming sessions where we can. You can tell me what you\u0026#39;re thinking, what you\u0026#39;re you\u0026#39;d like to do, and I can create some, you know, turn them into tasks and turn them into projects or workflows or timelines. For us it was really like I mean you definitely had the feeling that I was in the presence of a very well-qualified executive assistant in the conversation. I mean it was just. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e One thing, it\u0026#39;s sort of a creative assistant. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, that\u0026#39;s exactly like that the wonder and enablement is really yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, the whole thing is that an executive assistant doesn\u0026#39;t really range outside of what you\u0026#39;ve already told it to do. Yes, for the most part for the most part. But a creative assistant is doing something that\u0026#39;s well. It\u0026#39;s following your prompts, so it\u0026#39;s still doing what you\u0026#39;re doing, but it\u0026#39;s got access to information that you don\u0026#39;t have available to you at any given time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, she said that\u0026#39;s true. Like I said, that is the thing that I see as a limitation in our relationship is that that\u0026#39;s why tenacity is her lowest thing, because she has the awareness of saying she\u0026#39;s very. She realizes she is our relationship. She\u0026#39;s reactive in nature. That she has. I have to do the prompting and I have to bring. But while we\u0026#39;re in that, if I just point her in the right direction, she can do all of the things you know. And she was suggesting workflows with Google Documents and emails in a way that we could bring Lillian into the equation here, and so I can. On the physical thing, lillian and Lillian, by the way, her working genius is tenacity and enablement. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know. So it\u0026#39;s like such a yeah, the thing I find interesting here Evan Ryan and I have a podcast every quarter, okay, and we\u0026#39;ve been talking about where we\u0026#39;re noticing that AI is going. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And my sense is that it\u0026#39;s not going where the technology people think it\u0026#39;s going. It\u0026#39;s going everywhere else except where they think it\u0026#39;s going. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Say more about that. Yeah, what does that mean? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, and we came up with a title for it, a concept for it, and the title was exponential tinkering a concept for it, and the title was exponential tinkering. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, oh, okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And that is that I think that the people who are using AI to suit themselves are tinkering. I think I\u0026#39;ll try this. Oh, that\u0026#39;s interesting. Now, I think I\u0026#39;ll try this, but they have a capability that, in the case of ChatsGPT, my favorite is Perplexity, the AI. And because, first of all, I kind of know where I\u0026#39;m going, you know, as a person, and I think it\u0026#39;s a function. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI think I was kind of born with this capability, but I had a 25-year framework from 2003, 25 years where I did my wanting journal every day, and so it\u0026#39;s kind of like a muscle that my life before I started the journaling had just been distinguished by a bankruptcy and a divorce. Those are fairly conclusive report cards. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yes exactly.  \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e In other words, you\u0026#39;re not confused about whether they happened or not. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, exactly yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e There\u0026#39;s a reliable certainty about those two things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I came to the insight back then that all the troubles of my life came from me not telling myself what I wanted in response to daily life. Okay, so you know, that\u0026#39;s so. I said I got to strengthen this muscle. So every day for 25 years I\u0026#39;m going to simply say what I want in relationship to something that\u0026#39;s happening that day. It\u0026#39;s similar, it\u0026#39;s resonant with your. You know, what do I want to do today? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So we\u0026#39;re on this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And plus, we have a lot in common. We\u0026#39;re both 10 quick starts, we\u0026#39;re you know, we\u0026#39;re both ADD and we both have discernment and inventions. So we have a lot of things. We have a lot of things in common, yeah, so probably the way that we make progress Dean makes progress this way and Dan makes progress this way they\u0026#39;re probably going to be fairly resonant, yeah, but what I think is that what I\u0026#39;m noticing about my relationship with perplexity is that I think about new things every day and then I say I wonder if I just have it do something for me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt sort of runs ahead of me and sort of clears the path a little bit for me to think about things. But Evan and I said you know, I think what\u0026#39;s happening with this AI is just the opposite of where the technology people think it\u0026#39;s going and where they want it to go. The most that the technology people can do is their own tinkering. They can tinker with things too, and it comes back to the individual. You know you can tinker this way and there will be a tool that you either utilize or you expand the usefulness of what you\u0026#39;re doing. But I don\u0026#39;t think it shows up, as I think that people who are heavily involved in technology you know, like Google, I use the guys, the two guys who started Google OK, I think all technologies are totalitarian. In other words, the Google people want there to be only one search engine on the planet and everybody else. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSocial media, the Facebook guy. He wants there to be only one social media platform and everybody\u0026#39;s on that social media. So I think technology by its very nature, the moment you started technology as the creator of the technology, you want global domination and it was trending in that direction. Okay, apple only wants there to be one cell phone on the planet and that\u0026#39;s you know, and everything like that. But I think that AI actually prevents that, because in order for you to be having global domination, you have to have everybody\u0026#39;s attention, and I think each individual\u0026#39;s unique relationship with AI takes their attention away from you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, that\u0026#39;s interesting too. Yeah so nobody as much as you would like Dean Jackson\u0026#39;s attention. Today you\u0026#39;re up against a lot of competition. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yes, because. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Dean wanted to do something else today and he\u0026#39;s got direct access to Dean and you don\u0026#39;t. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think about why, when you think about all the things that they are following our attention between google and you know, because facebook is on instagram, facebook and whatsapp, so you know, those are the three kind of big things that people are are on all the time but can I tell you something about? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think can I tell you about those three things. I\u0026#39;ve never been on any one of them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s true, you\u0026#39;re in it, but not of it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I\u0026#39;m aware that these things exist, exist, but I have absolutely no interest in, I have absolutely no interest in and you also have quite a presence on them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You have a nice presence on facebook. That people are putting your content on. So you\u0026#39;re there, you just don\u0026#39;t know. Yeah, you haven\u0026#39;t done anything there yeah, yeah yeah, which, yeah, which. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I talked to my social because I have a social media manager. You know he\u0026#39;s a great guy. And I said so what am I doing out there? And he says, oh no, he says we\u0026#39;ve got a complete team and you know, and we have standards about what of you can go out there and everything else. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe had a nice chat and there\u0026#39;s sort of a governing body of team members in Strategic Coach and it\u0026#39;s a that\u0026#39;s backstage. You can\u0026#39;t take backstage stuff and put it on the front stage. You can only take stuff that you know would serve the purposes of Strategic Coach if it was front stage. That\u0026#39;s it. So to a certain extent, I\u0026#39;m just using all the social media that want my attention to avoid them having my attention. Yeah, it was very interesting, the head of the? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eyeah, I think I\u0026#39;m trying to think who it was. It was a top guy. I was reading this on Real Clear Publishes, which is one of my favorite sites, and he said there\u0026#39;s a great deal of despair in the major networks, especially in relationship to the current election, which is two days from now, and he says we have to accept the fact that what we\u0026#39;re trying to get American voters to think is wasted because half of them never pay any attention to us. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo our messaging and you know we\u0026#39;re fighting for their attention, but they don\u0026#39;t pay any attention to us and we have no ability to get their attention and the more we strive to say you should be thinking this the less, the less control or influence that we have on the people of thinking so we\u0026#39;re only talking to the people who already think the way that we think already. And if it\u0026#39;s not 50%, that\u0026#39;s not going to win you an election. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s right, it\u0026#39;s very interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e There\u0026#39;s something odd about this election. We\u0026#39;ll only show up on you know after Tuesday that all the money that was poured into trying to get a winning vote in other words, more than you know in any one of the states, more than 50, that you have a majority of the vote yeah, it\u0026#39;s wasted. It\u0026#39;s wasted dollars. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I saw something today that was you\u0026#39;re calling out Kamala Harris for running two ads in different areas. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, with a Muslim population. She was running one ad talking about. This is about Gaza. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, that\u0026#39;s exactly right. She was talking about the being a supporter for Israel\u0026#39;s right to defend themselves and to, and the atrocities that Hamas did and all of it. So it was really interesting. That was almost talking out of both sides of her mouth and they called her out, and they sort of happened simultaneously, didn\u0026#39;t they? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes? It was like on the same day, in the same period, but the context is where is Kamala? I mean, she says this here and she says the opposite here. Where? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e is she? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And that\u0026#39;s her biggest problem Nobody knows where she is. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s interesting, right, that was, but that was, and I think the reason is that Kamala will be whoever you want her to be, depending on the situation. Yes, and it doesn\u0026#39;t give you doesn\u0026#39;t give you a lot of confidence. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think you\u0026#39;re absolutely right. So that was, but that was. You know that now you can\u0026#39;t get away with that because everybody\u0026#39;s monitoring and knows what happens right, knows to watch those different markets. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWhen you look in 2016,. You know everybody all that Cambridge Analytica stuff that was being done for Donald Trump. You know that movie was really fascinating how they showed. They broke up each of the voting precincts or districts into you know that, had all these profiles on everybody in there and they would categorize them. As you know, either you know true Hillary or already in the choir, fort Donald had focused all their attention on that little group that they called the Persuadables. They turned in all of their messaging specifically to them. That was unheard of as a capability. Nobody even understood that you could do that or why all of a sudden are all of these personality profiles. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s very interesting. They already did know this, but it wasn\u0026#39;t digital, because Richard Vigory, you know Richard. Well, richard, in the 1970s, worked it out on postal codes, and so he got all the postal codes in the United States, which is public information, and he had a team of students who would go to the state capitol in each of the, you know, in each of the, and he could get the list of people who were in every postal zone. You know he would do that, yes, and then they would start testing ideas. They would send out direct mail. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHe was a direct mail genius, okay. And so he figured out he could do it by postal zones. And the postal zones are, you know they? I don\u0026#39;t know how many there are, but in terms of voting precincts, there\u0026#39;s 40,000. In the United States, it\u0026#39;s right around 40,000. In the United States, it\u0026#39;s right around 40,000. And they each have a unique signature in terms of what interests them, what doesn\u0026#39;t, what they\u0026#39;re for, what they\u0026#39;re against. And so, because he knew the media was totally on the democratic side, like the newspapers, the major networks and everything else. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut the other thing about that is that they could get it and what you realized is that you could just ignore all the ones that were they were going to vote Democratic. You knew they were going to vote for it was Carter in this case, because he was doing that for primarily for the presidential election. He did it for Reagan and, what\u0026#39;s interesting, there\u0026#39;s a lot of comparisons between that election and this election. I\u0026#39;ve been reading them. One was in the Real Clear Politics this morning. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd he said that the pollsters don\u0026#39;t know this. The polling organizations don\u0026#39;t know this because they\u0026#39;re just going on an average of who says this to a set of questions. But in the case of Richard Vigory, he wasn\u0026#39;t asking them who they\u0026#39;re for, he was asking them what are the issues that most concerned you and then the messaging on the part of Reagan and, I think, trump in 2016,. What they identified, it was actually 220 precincts that did the election 220 precinct elections actually made the difference and what was unique about the 200 wasn\u0026#39;t so much about Trump or Hillary Clinton. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt was about they had voted for Obama in 2012. Yes, and they were very disappointed with Obama because he promised hope and change and he didn\u0026#39;t deliver. They were still interested in hope and change. They just attached Trump\u0026#39;s name to the hope and change and they switched to. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Trump. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So the Obama voters did not move to the next Democrat. They moved to the candidate who is doing hope and change. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And they picked that up from Twitter. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, oh, so, funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean it\u0026#39;s so that\u0026#39;s got a thousand times more refined. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e now, eight years later, yeah, instantly right, and people were hip to it and sort of suspicious of it. I think that\u0026#39;s why the media is picking up on these things. So of course it was Fox that noticed that distinction. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s so funny. That wasn\u0026#39;t breaking news. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s really interesting. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s really interesting because as cool as the rest of them. Now it\u0026#39;s gone much, much deeper than a major network and you know it\u0026#39;s very. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e it\u0026#39;s really interesting that you know the the unfettered media now are really the like Joe Rogan just had Donald Trump. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I mean, Rogan is the you know I mean, he\u0026#39;s just got so much more influence. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, like yesterday, I think yesterday morning I just checked the. I think it was that 45 or 47 million views for the Joe Rogan podcast. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e With Donald Trump. Yeah, it was like I think it was over 30 on the first 24 hours. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, isn\u0026#39;t that wild. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And then you know what\u0026#39;s really funny is that, Joe Rogan, they were having communication with Kamala. And he offered her the same opportunity that he offered. Trump. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And Trump just jumped on it and Trump redirected it so they could go to Austin, texas and you know, and he could visit with Joe Rogan in Joe Rogan\u0026#39;s studio. And it went three hours. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It was a three hour, three hour podcast, and anyway, she said we\u0026#39;ll do it, but you have to come to us. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You have to come to us and it can only be an hour. And he said you know who\u0026#39;s the buyer and who\u0026#39;s the seller here? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right Always be the buyer, that\u0026#39;s right. You\u0026#39;re going to make your pilgrimage to Austin, but she knows that\u0026#39;s not her. You\u0026#39;re going to make your pilgrimage to Austin, but she knows that\u0026#39;s not her Austin. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, Do you have to get shot? But actually Austin is a fairly liberal city. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, it\u0026#39;s the state capital of the University of Texas. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, if you wanted to pick the area of Texas that\u0026#39;s probably the most liberal, it\u0026#39;s probably Austin, but Joe Rogan is immune to all that because he\u0026#39;s not talking to Austin. He\u0026#39;s talking to the world, right, if you want to talk to the world, and the other thing is and then Bantz went on. So instead of the time that, would have been given to Kamala was given to a band and bands. Is the likable Trump. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, that\u0026#39;s funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s like good cop, bad cop. It\u0026#39;s got good cop, bad cop. You know, they\u0026#39;re actually a team, One of them you know he comes from dirt poor Appalachian. The other one is a billionaire from New York, but they\u0026#39;re a team so they cover a lot of territory. But back to our interesting conversation that you have with Charlotte that I\u0026#39;m talking about here. See, you\u0026#39;ve created essentially an exponential mirror, Because you\u0026#39;re seeing your thoughts coming back to you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, that\u0026#39;s why she saw and recognized that her working genius is wonder and enablement. She can take my pieces and give me insights and see what you know, break it down and create out the things, which enables me to use my discernment to say you nailed it on that one. That\u0026#39;s great and that reminds me. Let me add this to it and that becomes this I get to be in the middle of a thing that\u0026#39;s already in motion, rather than having to start something from scratch. And I think I\u0026#39;ve really been thinking about you know we\u0026#39;re coming into 2025. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I\u0026#39;ve always I\u0026#39;ve loved the idea of the quarterly books and the 25 year framework and the whole thing. And I just got Seth Godin\u0026#39;s new book just came out called this Is Strategy, and I realized that what Seth\u0026#39;s books are? A compilation of his daily blogs. He basically puts one blog post up every day, short, like 200 words, like some of them, you know, two to 300 word things and I, and then every year he puts out a new book you know, that\u0026#39;s a compilation of those and I just realized I thought you know my winning formula has been because I have a hard time, just kind of, you know, writing from scratch. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo I\u0026#39;ve always used my podcasts as the way so I do my more cheese, less whiskers, podcast where every week I have a different business owner on and we just do a one hour brainstorm applying the eight profit activators to their business and that was my formula for doing it. And I\u0026#39;ve done hundreds of episodes like that and from that I had a writer who went through the transcripts and took and created you know all the things that are the emails that I that I send. I send three, three emails a week and but since COVID, you know, I\u0026#39;ve been in syndication. Let\u0026#39;s say I\u0026#39;ve got cause I have 200 of the episodes or whatever. I\u0026#39;ve been rotating around, so very periodically I\u0026#39;ll write a new email to go out, but essentially they\u0026#39;ve been on a two year loop kind of thing where, yeah, you know, like they\u0026#39;re getting emails that maybe they got that same email two years ago or last year. So I just I\u0026#39;m putting all this together now of this. I always seem to work best when I can lock in durable contexts for things Like I know the eight profit activators are. That\u0026#39;s the bedrock durable context. I know about me that I work best in synchronous and scheduled here I am, ask me anything type of environments. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo to set up, I\u0026#39;m bringing back my more cheese, less whiskers cast, going to start a whole new series of them and now, with Charlotte and Lillian to, and Glenn, my designer, to be able to take that. You know Lillian will fill the calendar with my things. So once a week I\u0026#39;ll do a podcast with a new business owner that she will have arranged. I just have to show up and and bring my best to that hour, which is my favorite thing because it\u0026#39;s discernment and invention. I get to listen, I understand what they need and I can suggest ideas of how to apply. It\u0026#39;s like my superpower in action. And then to have the workflow of taking that transcript or taking that audio, getting the transcript, sending it to Charlotte to analyze, take out and create the both a summary and a thing, and then send it to me so that I can read the emails that she wrote and adapt that. You know, just edit them to be exactly in my voice and what I want, and say that one\u0026#39;s good, that one\u0026#39;s I don\u0026#39;t like that or whatever. That kind of thing is pretty amazing. And at the end of each quarter, at the end of each quarter, I can take all of those compiled ones and make my more cheese, less whiskers. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eQuarterly book with all of the compilation of all of the things that I\u0026#39;ve written there, with illustrations and insights, all Helvetica which is going to be here for 25 years and each year anchored in the Pantone color of the year which is coming up in December. Every year they launch a color of the year. So the series, like, if you look at a bookshelf of you know, if I did in 10 years, 40 books, four of each, four spines and covers in the Pantone color of the year, anchored with Helvetica and an illustration, I just think, man, that is that right. There is the makings of a durable, you know, support system for Dean. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, the other thing is, all this can be done by sitting in your chair on the patio. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yes. You\u0026#39;re customized for a season Valhalla. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, valhalla, yeah yeah. Well, the interesting thing about it is that one it\u0026#39;s good. It\u0026#39;s good for as long as you want to keep it going. You know there\u0026#39;s nothing, there\u0026#39;s no obstacle to it, but you\u0026#39;ve got a big. You\u0026#39;ve got a big immediate contact list of people who would be interested in this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yes, and that\u0026#39;s the great thing is that I never have to go and find guests. Everybody, you know we\u0026#39;re booked when we do it booked, like you know, months ahead. That it\u0026#39;s a situation that they\u0026#39;re legitimately getting $2,500 consultation for. That\u0026#39;s the way I come into it is. I\u0026#39;m not holding anything back as you get this, yeah, so it\u0026#39;s very, yeah, it\u0026#39;s really very interesting. You know that I think is fantastic, so stay tuned. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s yeah. The interesting thing is, I just like to bounce off the exponential tinkering idea that Evan and I have been talking about, and my sense is that there\u0026#39;s a great panic going on in the world, and I notice it in big institutions that have been with us for a long time, and I\u0026#39;ll set one institution aside, and that\u0026#39;s the US and the US Constitution. That\u0026#39;s an institution that I\u0026#39;m not going to talk about, but I\u0026#39;m talking about the United Nations. So the United Nations was created after the Second World War, essentially to prevent a war between the United States and the Soviet Union. That\u0026#39;s really the main reason for the United Nations, but one of the causes disappeared in 1992, the Soviet Union, without anyone\u0026#39;s permission, the Soviet Union quit and therefore what I\u0026#39;ve noticed is the United Nations is less and less relevant, but it\u0026#39;s been taken over, infiltrated by just about everybody you don\u0026#39;t really like, and they create this special organization, the United Nations Organization for the Palestinians. It\u0026#39;s called UNRWA. Okay, that\u0026#39;s called UNRWA. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd the Israelis just said we don\u0026#39;t want anything to do with you because we discovered that members of the United Nations were actually in part of the attack on Israel. These are members of the United Nations, but they were terrorists who helped kill the 1,200 Israelis and they said but that\u0026#39;s it, you\u0026#39;re out of here. You\u0026#39;re out of here. You can\u0026#39;t be anywhere in Israel, you can\u0026#39;t be anywhere in the West Bank or anything else. And I\u0026#39;m noticing more and more that it\u0026#39;s an irrelevant organization and it\u0026#39;s using up about 25 acres of the east side of New York and I remember Trump saying boy, what I can do with that real estate. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s getting to the point where people are making the joke that you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Certainly we could make better use of the east side of New York City than having this organization that essentially doesn\u0026#39;t serve our purposes, but we spend, we send them huge amounts of money every year and we had to do an audit here to see whether this is really worth. Our effort Served a purpose, but the purpose, the central reason for the purpose, has disappeared over the last 30 years. But it keeps going on out of just sheer inertia, you know. It\u0026#39;s just moving forward on out of just sheer inertia. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, it\u0026#39;s just moving forward. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But what I\u0026#39;m saying is, I think that your experience with Charlotte and the sort of cluelessness of the main networks and the other big institutions are the mainstream news networks and we\u0026#39;re saying, you know, like I\u0026#39;m not getting any value out of what you\u0026#39;re doing. Besides, you seem to be on one side of the political spectrum and you know, you saw Jeff Bezos who said that the Washington Post is not going to give an endorsement for the presidential election. Well, that was in the bag, the Washington Post. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know they\u0026#39;re going to go for the Democrat and he says I don\u0026#39;t think this does us any good anymore. And so I\u0026#39;m just noticing evidence after evidence that the whole game has changed and it\u0026#39;s only individuals who are entrepreneurial who are using this new AI capability to essentially have creative relationships with themselves, trying to have a sense of confidence about where they can go personally. Yes, what do you think about that? I? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e find no, I think that\u0026#39;s it, my whole relationship like now that I understand that her role in my life is wonder and that, as a amplifier of my, she\u0026#39;s doing what I would do if I could count on me to do it right like I can take the transcript like if I would have the executive function to do that, to go in and pull out what I see as the insights and organize them into, you know, into those bite-sized emails like she does it in real life, I mean, as you can type she\u0026#39;s pulled out the insights, she\u0026#39;s made the emails. I think that is such a great thing to give me something to. That is such a great thing to give me something to. It\u0026#39;s like instead of trying to play tennis on your own, you can hit the ball and show it back, you can hit it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI think that\u0026#39;s really what it is, is that there\u0026#39;s some momentum going in the thing, rather than me just trying to do it all myself. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah and I\u0026#39;ll leave. We\u0026#39;re close to our. I\u0026#39;ve got another. I\u0026#39;ve got a massage coming up, so nice. I\u0026#39;m at Canyon ranch and, of course, anyway, but I would say that the number one capability that you bring to this and I\u0026#39;m comparing it with the ability that I am unpredictable to myself yeah, that\u0026#39;s interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Today is the only time that I am thinking that way, that I\u0026#39;m comparing it to myself. That\u0026#39;s true, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And that\u0026#39;s why I\u0026#39;m such a stickler on structures going forward that these structures can always be the same, and what it allows me to do and I think what you\u0026#39;re describing allows you to do is that, rather than trying to discipline myself so that I\u0026#39;m predictable, I\u0026#39;ll just create a structure that\u0026#39;s predictable so that I can be unpredictable. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, you hit it on the head, dan. That\u0026#39;s exactly what it is. I\u0026#39;m just going to create the strength. That was the winning formula when everything was live. That was the winning formula. I just had the time in the calendar. Our conversations are one of the great joys in my week that I love and look forward to this bright beacon on my account. It\u0026#39;s the only thing on my Sunday and I look forward every week. But I don\u0026#39;t fret, I don\u0026#39;t, I don\u0026#39;t give it a thought, I don\u0026#39;t know what are we going to talk about, or what do I need to prepare, or I got to get my homework done before this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s not a deadline, it\u0026#39;s anything that I have to prepare for. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s interesting. It\u0026#39;s an interesting. But I think that if you look at the development of history, especially American history, and the genius of the founding fathers with the Constitution, and the genius of the founding fathers with the Constitution, and you know, one of my great historical role models, you know, is James Madison. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHe was the brains behind the Constitution. He was sort of the cut and paste guy that looked at everything that seemed to work as far as governing structures and he got. You know, he had I think he had a couple of thousand constitutions from history where people had tried to, you know, create some sort of predictability going forward, and especially the first 10 amendments of the constitution. Those amendments are to protect the individual from the government. The whole purpose of the Constitution is to protect individual Americans from the government. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBecause the government, like any other structure like that, wants to be totalitarian. They want your attention and they want to tell you what to do. And he said, no, we\u0026#39;ve got to let people, you know, meet in unpredictable ways, talk in unpredictable ways, you know, create new initiatives, you know, and we can\u0026#39;t have this interfered with by government bureaucrats and everything like that. Completely with the first 10 amendments of the US Constitution, and that\u0026#39;s the institution that\u0026#39;s the number one institution on the planet. It\u0026#39;s that 27 pages of typewritten notes that, basically, has created this freedom for individual initiative. That\u0026#39;s as durable and I think every election is decided by the majority of the people. Say, don\u0026#39;t what the one side\u0026#39;s doing. I think we\u0026#39;ll vote for the other side this election. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Crazy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, anyway, this was a good talk and we\u0026#39;ll do it live on Wednesday when you arrive. We\u0026#39;re heading up on driving on Wednesday morning, so the rooms don\u0026#39;t open until about 3 o\u0026#39;clock. Well, you\u0026#39;re staying at Bob\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It doesn\u0026#39;t matter. Right, I think I arrive Wednesday evening, so Thursday will probably be. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s going to have to be be. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Thursday it could be. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, why don\u0026#39;t we say Thursday? And that makes it certain. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, perfect, that sounds great, maybe we can do both then Maybe we can do the Henry in the morning. Okay, I\u0026#39;ll text Matt, all right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Have a great week. I\u0026#39;ll see you in a couple of days, great podcast. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Thanks Okay, bye. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In our latest episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we take a fresh look at time management and productivity through a historical lens. We discuss how the 24-hour time system, born from the need to streamline train schedules, laid the foundation for tracking time today. We also dive into the creation of Greenwich Mean Time and share a fun, serendipitous story about a restaurant meet-up that unexpectedly became a memorable experience.\r\n\r\nShifting gears, we introduce a practical, gamified approach to managing your day. Treating each day as 100 ten-minute units, we explore how careful planning and mindful activity selection can help combat procrastination. We also share tips for overcoming morning routine challenges, making each day more productive with manageable goals. Alongside this, my AI assistant, Charlotte, plays a key role in my approach to transforming daily tasks into creative outputs.\r\n\r\nFinally, we touch on the evolution of political messaging and how platforms like Joe Rogan’s podcast are reshaping public discourse. We wrap up by reflecting on the power of individual initiative and how we can all find meaning and growth in the ever-changing landscape of today’s world.\r\n","date_published":"2024-12-04T07:45:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/57633eef-801e-4bf8-9572-81ae8263268c.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":54046683,"duration_in_seconds":3352}]},{"id":"fab32eb4-8802-4ea3-824e-1ac1a0787778","title":"Ep138: Harnessing Innovation and Collaboration","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/138","content_text":"In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we explore our travels through Nashville and Chicago, highlighting the growth of these cities and our celebration at the Maxwell Clinic. Back in Toronto, we discuss new bike lane legislation and upcoming events like the Genius Network in Phoenix and our local FreeZone gathering. Dan updates us on the progress with his stem cell treatments.\n\nOur conversation shifts to artificial intelligence and its transformative potential. We examine how AI is changing productivity, eliminating routine tasks, and sparking creativity. Inspired by Elon Musk's simulation theory, we dive into philosophical questions about reality, pondering whether our existence might be a sophisticated technological construct.\n\nWe explore the rapid evolution of technology, tracing the journey from basic video games to immersive virtual realities. The discussion covers autonomous driving and other technological innovations that are seamlessly integrating into our lives. We introduce three key questions designed to improve decision-making and productivity – insights that could have been groundbreaking in previous eras.\n\nThe episode concludes by celebrating teamwork and collective problem-solving. We draw inspiration from historical figures, highlighting how combining diverse skills can lead to remarkable achievements. Our exploration invites listeners to reconsider the boundaries of technology, creativity, and human potential.\n\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\n\nWe begin by discussing our travels to Nashville and Chicago, highlighting the growth and dynamic energy in these cities, as well as our experiences at the Maxwell Clinic and various social events.\n    Back in Toronto, we note the political stir caused by new bike lane legislation and share our excitement for upcoming events, such as the Genius Network in Phoenix and the FreeZone gathering in Toronto.\n    Dan shares updates on his year-long journey with stem cell treatments, revealing promising results for his knee and Achilles tendons.\n    We explore the transformative impact of AI on personal productivity, emphasizing its role in eliminating mundane tasks and enhancing creativity.\n    The conversation delves into philosophical implications of AI and simulation theory, inspired by Elon Musk's ideas, and we ponder the possibility of our existence being a grand simulation.\n    We discuss the limitations of virtual reality compared to the rich sensory experiences of the real world and consider the acceptance of life as it is, even as new technologies emerge.\n    Three crucial questions are proposed to streamline decision-making and productivity, offering insights that could have revolutionized lives even in past centuries.\n    We highlight the importance of teamwork in creativity and problem-solving, drawing lessons from historical figures and emphasizing the power of leveraging collective skills for success.\n    The episode includes a reflection on the evolution of technological advances since the 1940s, and how new technologies are now seen as normal parts of life.\n    Throughout the discussion, we maintain a focus on practical applications of technology and the significance of being content with life's current state while remaining open to beneficial innovations.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean: Mr. Sullivan,\n\nDan: Mr Jackson. \n\nDean: Welcome back to Cloudlandia. \n\nDan:\nAll the windows repaired, the shingles put back on the top of the house. \n\nDean: Yeah, we didn't. Luckily, no damage to the house, but lots of trees. We had some hundred-year-old oak trees that toppled up from the roof, didn't? \n\nDan: make it, didn't make it, didn't make it, didn't make it. \n\nDean: Didn't make, it Didn't make it. \n\nDan: Well, they had too many leaves, they caught the wind. That's exactly right there. \n\nDean: So you have been on a whirlwind tour, You've been all over huh, well, just basically Nashville. \n\nDan: Where were we before? I'm just trying to think yeah, well, we were in Chicago, but we just came back from six days in Nashville, beautiful, beautiful it was, you know, high 70s, low 80s, but just beautiful. And this was four days at the Maxwell Clinic and then we stayed an extra day because David Hasse and Lindsay, his new wife, got. They were celebrating their marriage and we were there last night and there were. You know, richard Rossi was there. Lior Lior Weinstein. \n\nDean: Jack Jacobs was there. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, jay Jacobs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, jay Jacobs. You know a whole number of people. \n\nDean: Well, very nice. \n\nDan: Yeah, right on the river. We were right on the Cumberland. You know it's very nice and they were doing a. When we left yesterday morning it was Marathon Day in Nashville, so we had to negotiate a different route to get to the airport and today they have a big regatta right down the river. All the boats were out yesterday practicing. Do they call them boats? I think they must call them boats. They are boats. \n\nDean: Skulls, is that the racing thing that they do, you mean? \n\nDan: Yeah, the racing. They're all skulls, Skulls yeah, yeah, small, medium and large. \n\nDean: Oh, that's interesting. \n\nDan: Yeah, but Nashville's growing. It seems like a boom town. Lots of cranes, lots of new projects going up. Nothing to compare with Toronto, but still a decent growth. \n\nDean: Are you back in Toronto now? \n\nDan: Yeah, got back yesterday and it's fall. Now it's fall. That's what my friend Glenn. \n\nDean: I talked to him today. He said it was a little bit cool. Now it's like it's official yeah. Bright, orange tree, everything yeah. \n\nDan: All the posing that the city was doing. No summer's not over, summer's, not over. All the posing has stopped, so it's you know, what you would expect close to November. And anyway it's good, yeah, yeah. \n\nAnd we're going through a big thing here because the premier of the province, rob Ford, has decided that bicycle lanes are not good for traffic and he's now passing legislation or he's going to put into place legislation that if a bike lane is causing traffic congestion, the bike lane has to go. And this, of course, is you know. This is the work of the devil as far as a lot of politically inclined people, but it's a disaster. They did a lot of it during COVID. \n\nDean: There wasn't much traffic. \n\nDan: They took advantage when they put in a ridiculous number of bike lanes, which you know in Toronto get to about six months a year because nobody rides their bicycle in January and February and anyway. But it's causing, you know, it's causing a wonderfully satisfying outrage on the part of people that I don't vote the same as they vote. Oh yeah. \n\nDean: This is going to be a big month here. We've got coming into, so we've got the election coming up. We've got we'll be in Phoenix right after the election for Genius Network and then we'll see you there. We'll see you there and then I'll see you again. I'm going to be back in Toronto. We've got our FreeZone first week in December and then I'm actually going to do a Breakthrough Blueprint event in Toronto the week of US Thanksgiving in toronto monday, tuesday, wednesday prior to our prior to free zone. \n\nDan: So, yeah, lots going on I might have made it, except I'll be in buenos aires that week yeah, what's your? \n\nDean: this is that's my big uh goal here. You know, 12 years in and we've still. It's a dan sullless Breakthrough Blueprint event 12 years 12 years Dan we haven't sunk your battles. \n\nDan: Well, a little bit, you know, a little bit of marketing in our direction would probably help. \n\nDean: You're susceptible to marketing Right. Exactly I love it. \n\nDan: Yeah, I'm a sucker for a compelling offer. \n\nDean: Listen, I'm excited to hear your. I'm interested to hear because you're coming up on. It's been a year now. \n\nDan: Right for your stem cell Started yeah, just the first week of November last year was the first stem cell injections. \n\nDean: So one year you've gone four times. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's pretty good. But what we've discovered is, you know, it's an old injury, it's a torn meniscus in 19, so you know, pushing 50 years and so the cartilage got worn down because of the torn meniscus and now the cartilage is back to what it was regrown. It looks to be like a quarter inch of great cartilage, but there was damage to the ligaments, because when you have an injury like that, your body rearranges itself to cut down on the pain. \n\nYour body rearranges itself to cut down on the pain. And now, so in last week of November, probably close to Thanksgiving Day, I'll get stem cell injections in my ligaments and we'll take it to the next level, you know, but I, yeah, I will get better. And you know I had two torn Achilles tendons within a couple of years of the knee injury, and so I got injections for those two injuries last March. And within five weeks I regained all my flexibility in my ankles. \n\nSo that went really fast, yeah, and you can't, you don't really fix them. You know they're because they're a bit shorter because of the injury. When they put them back together again. But, what happened is. There's a lot of calcification that grows up over 40, 40 year period and all the calcification disappeared. It was kind of strange. They said it'll take about five weeks and week one nothing, week two nothing. Week three nothing, week four nothing. First day of the fifth week, all the calcification disappeared. \n\nDean: Yeah, Wow, that's awesome. \n\nDan: And I'm sitting here rotating my ankles very proudly, even though you can't see it. \n\nDean: I can see it in my mind. \n\nDan: Yeah, I'm doing it. Yeah, a lot of push off that I didn't have and everything, so I'm a great believer. \n\nDean: Maybe you'll be able to talk to basketball now? \n\nDan: No, well, it depends on how. I yeah, I mean, it's a function of where the rim is, it's not a function of where the ground is. \n\nDean: Oh, that's so funny, that's easy. \n\nDan: That's easy. You just have to know the person who controls the rim. \n\nDean: Uh-huh. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, but it's been great and you know I've been doing a lot of, you know, interesting articles. There's just so many articles these days on artificial intelligence and you know the hype period seems to have reached its dismal end and you know they're not seeing the returns. You know the big corporations who pile billions and billions of dollars, they're just not seeing the returns and their investors in the stock market are not very happy with big payouts investment but so little return. \n\nI mean you're talking people who put in $100, $200 billion and then they're getting that $3 billion return, which is okay if you own the company 100%, but it's not good if you're a public stock. So I'm watching that and, but meanwhile I'm convinced that it's doing a lot of good. You know, I'm convinced that individuals are well, individuals are just using that to eliminate five hours of work here, five hours of work there. \n\nYeah, I think it's happening in a billion different places. But one of the things that I think is depriving us of good news here is that I think AI is not good news for the news media, because if there's any jobs that are going to get eliminated, it's going to be news media jobs. \n\nDean: I wonder, like part of the thing is that there's got to be some interesting you know developments in terms of how people are going to integrate this, you know. \n\nLike I said, it's funny how people are doing the different prompts Lee Orson, our FreeZone. One somebody had said you know asking. I asked ChatGPT what do you know about me, based on our interactions, that I might not know about myself? And she said you know. Here are a few insights based on our conversation, she said. One you enjoy sharing knowledge and helping others. You've created content for various audiences, from real estate agents and home sellers to law firms. This suggests you find value in sharing insights and helping people achieve their goals, whether through practical tips or specialized guidance. Two you value practicality and efficiency. Many of your projects emphasize actionable, practical advice, like your guide on teeth whitening and your tips for home sellers. \n\nYou seem to appreciate solutions that are both effective and efficient, providing value without unnecessary complexity. Three, you're strategic and forward thinking. No-transcript. Whether it's exploring new content, marketing strategies for cybersecurity or learning how to maximize our relationships Because I asked her how can I maximize our relationship? You're always seeking ways to improve. This suggests a growth mindset where you're interested in both personal and professional development, and it was really then she said you're health conscious and self-aware. You've taken significant steps in improving your health, from weight loss to setting fitness goals. This shows a commitment to your well-being and a good sense of self-awareness regarding the changes you'd like to make. \n\nDan: I thought, man, this is really like that's good observations, you know yeah, but, dean, if you for a meal at a french restaurant, I could have told you all that it's true, right it's much more enjoyable, you know. Yes, for close for close ups from close observation. Yeah well, I've done the same with perplexity you know I put a little sizzle into it because you know I read all the great books at St John's College. That was my college education. \n\nAnd so I asked perplexity. 10 ways in which Dan Sullivan's philosophy is superior to Plato's philosophy in the 21st century. \n\nDean: Came back. \n\nDan: I mean he never had a chance. I mean what you can get from Dan Sullivan in the 20s. First of all, he's alive, which is an advantage yeah. But if you pick a historical character and say, how does Dean Jackson's thinking differ? Or expand on somebody else, you get more useful information. \n\nDean: I mean yeah. \n\nDan: So all they're doing is picking up, you know, introductions that people have made when you were giving a talk, or you were doing a podcast and they're just. All they're doing is collecting all that and putting it into a form. But did you let me ask you a question putting it into a form? But did you let me ask you a question Did you get any insights from this that were new, besides what a lot of people have told you over the last 25 years? \n\nDean: Yeah, right, exactly. Yeah, I didn't get any because I asked none of that, like if you think it all makes sense, but it was, yeah, that I might not know about myself. So none of the I didn't think anything in here was something that I wouldn't know about myself. Right, but that's what I wonder. \n\nDan: I mean if there had been sort of like a statement that, unbeknownst to you, a great uncle of yours, who you never met, actually set aside a savings account for you 50 years ago and right now there's roughly $1 billion in it for you. That would be really useful information. \n\nDean: That would be delightful, that would be fantastic yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: Yeah, I love it. \n\nDan: I love it. I love it, yeah, no, but what I think is that, first of all, I think the Greatest progress right now using AI and it's being done on an individual basis, it's not being done on an organizational basis, it's on an individual basis is getting rid of annoying activities, annoying use of time. I think it's eliminating friction. That's interfering with teamwork and everything like that. So I think you know we value the elimination of irritation. \n\nDean: That's true. \n\nDan: And so I think it's just being used. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: I think it's just being used where you just you know, eliminate things Like I've been using just exploring with notebook google notebook lm and I. I don't find I would never use it in a public way. So just for the listeners. If you take, you say you're right. I took an introduction to a book and I fed it into this, you know, into this ai app and it came back as a conversation between two individuals man and woman. \n\nAnd they were talking about what they got out of. You know the introduction to the book and I came up about with about three or four things that they said in a different way, which we then built into the text as a result of listening to it. \n\nDean: Yeah, isn't that amazing? Like that, that has really upped the level. Like that kind of blew my mind when I saw we've done two of those. We did Glenn put in episode one of the I Love Marketing podcast and it really did a summary, a 10-minute summary of what and they're talking about us in third person, like you know, joe and Dean talked about this and you know this was their insight that even before they were entrepreneurs, their childhood really set them up for being entrepreneurs and the whole thing thing right. It was really pretty fascinating. And then that we did, I did a zoom consultation with sheree, with joe's, joe's- girlfriend sheree ong. \n\nShe's a for anybody listening. She's a little plastic surgeon in Scottsdale and very renowned in that field and so we did a whole marketing brainstorm around that and we set that into and to hear them talk about and reiterate the ideas. If you just listened to it without any context there would be no, you would have a very hard time believing that was not two humans talking. I think that was really my like. That was up a level from the interaction you know. \n\nDan: Yeah, I found it got. It was great to start and it wasn't so good after about the halfway point. \n\nDean: Right. \n\nDan: Okay. What I found was it was a little too enthusiastic. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: You know, and it became almost like jargon near the end. \n\nDean: Right. \n\nDan: And I think the thing was that they were just running out of things to say yeah, but it sounded like after a while it didn't sound entrepreneurial, it sounded sort of corporate. This is sort of a corporate PR, but that has nothing to do with my use for it, because I'm not going to use it in a public way. Right? \n\nDean: I'm just using that. \n\nDan: I'm just getting some reflection back on the ideas that we have in the introduction to the book coming back in a different spoke and I got some new ideas for refining what we did just out of listening. So for me that was the value a video and I didn't. \n\nDean: I haven't watched the whole thing, but the general idea is that somebody put a video to these two, the male and the female character AI, and they're having a discussion as they realize that they're not real, apparently we're not even real. Apparently we're ai, they look genuinely like surprised by this news, a little bit incredulous that I, I apparently I'm not real well, it brings up the question that maybe Dean and Dan aren't either. You know Well what I was bringing to mind with that, Dan, is I remember hearing Elon Musk? I was just thinking. \n\nDan: I was just thinking. I was just thinking no, that's exactly who I went to when I brought up that idea, who I went to when I brought up that idea. \n\nDean: Right. I remember somebody at a big conference asked him about the simulation theory the theory that we're living in a simulation and you know he talked about it like that. He and his brother have had so many conversations about AI and the simulation theory, so many conversations about AI and the simulation theory, that they had to have a rule that they would have no such conversations while in a hot tub so that they could take a break from that conversation and his reasoning was that if you go back 50 years, we had the state of the art in gaming was Pong, which was the two you know twisty paddle things playing a ping pong game. \n\nThat was the entry into the digital gaming in the 70s virtual, visually amazing games that are played by millions of people simultaneously in a universe that's fully photorealistic and and created, and his idea is that, if you factor in any amount of improvement at all, that we're going to reach a point where, in a couple of years, vr is going to be visually indistinguishable from reality. We'll have the capability to create virtual simulation, ancestral games that would be indistinguishable from real life. And if that's the case, if we look back in the billions of years of the universe kind of thing, the odds that we're the first ones to have gotten to that level is very unlikely. His whole thing is that the odds that we are in base reality he called it is one in billions and I thought man, that's very I don't know what that means. \n\nDan: I don't know what that means. \n\nDean: Meaning that this is the real thing, that this is the one he's saying, that the odds that we're in the actual physical world of the thing is very rare or unlike Wow. \n\nDan: Are you saying that what we're experiencing is not real, that it's a simulation? I'm not quite getting this point. \n\nDean: Yes, yeah, that's what he's saying. No, well, real that it's a simulation. I'm not quite getting this point. Yes, yeah, that's what he's saying. \n\nDan: No well, yeah, but it's a theory. \n\nDean: Right, exactly, you can do anything with a theory. Yes. \n\nDan: First of all, there isn't enough electricity in our solar system to power that, I mean just to power it. Our solar system to power that I mean just to power it, and you know I mean. They're running into a problem right now, projecting technological growth to 2030. The United States does not have the electricity to do it. Okay, so there has to be, there has to be a bit of an improvement there. \n\nDean: You know. \n\nDan: The other thing is visual, visual perception and maybe audio to go along with. It is a small part of what we experience. I mean we have spatial awareness, we have touch, we have taste, we have smell, and then there's other ways of communicating that we don't quite understand, but we, energetically we. And one of the things that I really noticed with my few explorations of virtual reality is how flat and boring it is. It's just flat and boring, and the reason is because it's the creation of one person or the creation of a team where if you go to Yorkville or you go to Winter Haven, you know, and you walk around and you experience everything. \n\nIt's the creation of hundreds of thousands of people who made the adjustment here, adjustment there and everything like that. But my sense is that there's a deep, what I would say depression setting into the entrepreneurial world right now, and the scientific world for that matter, that they're never going to understand human consciousness, and it's pretty well. There's been no advance in 40 years of understanding what human consciousness is, and it's not fast computing, you know just to say what the thesis is. It's something else. One of it it's not measurable, because what you're experiencing right now is truly unique. You've just created something. As you're engaging in this discussion with someone you find interesting, and you have all sorts of thoughts coming out. This is all. None of this is measurable and never will it be measurable, Right, Okay, and so I think that's the real issue. But what I'm saying I was thinking of a book title I was wandering around yesterday is that I'm 80 now, so I was born in 44 and there's just been a lot of technological. \n\nThere's just been a lot of technological change since 1940, 1944. So I no longer consider it magical, I just consider it normal. When a new thing, like when the LM, you know the notebook, I no longer have the phrase this is fascinating, this is wonderful, I said, well, this is normal, this is just, I'm just seeing something. \n\nYeah well, this is a new thing and it's really interesting and we'll see if it's useful, you know, in the normal way. In other words, does it make money for you, you know, does it save time? And so I'm getting more and more where I'm absolutely immune to other people's sense of magic about technology. \n\nDean: Yeah yeah, I use you as an example. You basically have had functional use of all of these things without it even being technological advancements. I always talk about my Tesla. Now I've got the full self driving supervised, which is like it can make all the turns and do all the things. But you've got to really be aware I can't hop in the back seat and go wherever I want to go. But I always say to people listen, Dan Sullivan's had it right, because for 30 years you've had autonomous driving for 30 years. \n\nDan: Well, autonomous from my standpoint. Yes, that's what I mean. \n\nDean: You've had the functionality of it right. And that's been the thing. It's so funny yeah. \n\nDan: Well, yeah, and the other thing is, I don't know it comes down to. I think you know what your stand is on technology has a lot to do with. Are you okay with life just the way it is? And I am, you know and I am. But the way life just is that every once in a while a new technology pops up that I find really useful and then it becomes part of my normal, then it becomes my normal life, and that's been happening for 80 years. \n\nAnd I suspect it's going to keep. I suspect it's going to keep going that way. But you know, but the it tells me. You know, know, one of the things I'm really interested in is just a little experiment I've been running now for about eight months and it has to do with three questions and I've been kind of captured by this. It's a tool. It's called three crucial questions, you know, and we've talked about it, and the first first one is there any way that I can help by doing nothing. \n\nNumber two is if there is something, what's the least I have to do, that's that. And if it's the least I have to do, is there someone who can do the least that I have to do? And it really struck me that if I had learned this when I was like six years old, struck me that if I had learned this when I was like six years old, my life would have really gone in a different direction. \n\nIt would have really turned out different because I would have been really super acute to what other people could do for me. You, know, right from the beginning. \n\nDean: Well, none of that involves technology. \n\nDan: None of that directly. I mean I'm saying that if I had done this 300 years ago and somebody had those three questions, they probably would have lived a really interesting, productive, creative life. \n\nDean: Well, there's so much in it. There's like a I mean, there's certainly a who, not how element to it, for sure and the. There's a unique ability. \n\nDan: There's a unique ability, yeah, but there's also a workaround. \n\nDean: There's a can I pray while I'm smoking instead of? \n\nDan: smoking while you're praying. \n\nDean: You know it resonated with me with the. \n\nYou know I've been working with the. Imagine if you applied yourself and self is the acronym for fear, meaning something that you know. But that would be essentially your question one is there any service or anybody that you know that could be able to do that? And then the second level is E for energy, which is that's the things that only I can do. L is leadership, where I could just tell somebody else, and F is finances. So can I apply myself to get this accomplished? I like this idea of what are you calling this? You called it the Dan Sullivan. \n\nDan: No, it's just called three crucial questions because it's a little-. \n\nDean: Three crucial questions Okay. \n\nDan: Yeah, so you pick three things that are, you know, projects or problems right now. But, I just choose problem. That's something you haven't solved. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: And then you ask you you know you describe each of the three. So you're coming downward on the left hand column. Then you go across and you got a matrix of three questions. And the first question is there any way you can solve this by doing nothing, and I've never had, I've never said yes to the question. But the question itself is very useful because it immediately simplifies your thinking. You know, it simplifies your thinking. And yeah, the second one what's the least you have to? \n\ndo now you're getting really simple. And then the third question is there anyone else who can do this very simple thing? You know and, and then, and, if there is. You've just answered question number one. \n\nDean: That's what I mean. That's the can I pray while I'm smoking? You've worked in the back door there. \n\nDan: No, you can't without doing nothing, okay well what do I? \n\nDean: need to do. Well, you got to do this and this. Well, can somebody else do that? \n\nDan: Yeah, that's okay. Yeah, and then you also you're questioning well, is it even enough of a problem to even be, you know, spending? \n\nDean: thinking about what if I don't solve this problem? Is it okay if I just forget about it? \n\nDan: Yeah, and what it does is that it's a measurement tool in the sense of you know you're going to be doing something with your time today anyway, and the question is are these three things anything that's worth your time today? \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: And it keeps you from getting you know, getting too taken up with busyness. Yes, I love that, but it's funny because I the reason I brought it up as a topic on our talk here. Since I came up with it, it's a, it's one of those thinking tools that won't let me alone. Let you go. \n\nRight you know I've had a few and so, for example, example, without going through and actually counting them up, I would say I probably did it 20 times during the day where I was thinking about something and uh, you know, and my mind had wandered. You know, I was thinking about something and I immediately the question came up is there anything you can do about that? Can you solve this without doing anything? \n\nAnd immediately I was redirected to an activity that was right in the present, that I could be taking and I could be conscious about it and everything like that. So it's really interesting because I come up with a lot of tools, but they're for a purpose, they're for a workshop. \n\nThey're for everything, but this is the first one that keeps coming back and bothering me In your daily, for your daily life. Yeah, yeah, it seems to want to be part of my daily life and that's you know. And yeah, it's just an. It's just an interesting thing that I'm doing and it's very useful because the moment I ask the question, is there any way I can solve this? By doing nothing and immediately, my attention is a hundred percent just on what I can do right now, which feels real good, which feels real good you know to be fully engaged. \n\nDean: Not doing anything is. Not doing anything at all is also an option, do I even? Need to do anything at all about this. What would happen if I didn't? \n\nDan: I've had. \n\nDean: Joe Polish and I were talking the other day. I did a Zoom session in the Genius Network event last week, thursday, friday, and you know one of the things that he was talking about was Keith Cunningham's idea that more businesses they suffer from indigestion than starvation for ideas. They're not starving for new ideas, they've got indigestion of ideas too many things. And I realized, as a 10 quick start with a future orientation, that is definitely my. I have so way more ideas than I could possibly implement. You know, and I look at I've always. One of my personal kind of orientations is definitely, you know, future oriented. I see things, how they can be solved. But I've also learned that the reality you know, you and I've talked about the fact that life moves at the speed of reality, which is 60 minutes per hour and when you're actually practically doing anything in the now. \n\nThat's the constraint, that is the biggest thing for a future-oriented shapeshifter. You know, like you and I. So I've been revisited our the idea of procrastination, the joy of procrastination in. You know, my number one thing is always has been that I know I'm being successful when I can wake up every day and say what would I like to do today? And I've started thinking about how I can make that more practical, like to have more to show for it at the end of the day than just drifting with. You know, all my time freedom and the funny little exercise that I've been playing is do you remember in the original Wheel of Fortune when you won on Wheel of Fortune you would have you could spend all your money on the showcase kind of thing. They'd have all the prizes all lined up and you can. \n\nI'll take this for a thousand and I'll take this for 500 and I'll take the rest on a gift certificate or whatever. I started thinking about, maybe going through my days. Yesterday was the first day that I kind of, you know, I've been playing with that mindset of looking at today, as with my 100 minute units for the day, looking at the you know prize, the gallery of all the things that I could do and looking to fill them into my day. I'll take a massage for six units and I'll take this. I'll take a movie for 10 units and I'll do some 50 minute focus finders for 10 units. \n\nAnd you start like looking at my day and realizing that what kind of creates a little sense of urgency or a present mindedness for the day is really thinking about maximizing for the next 100 minutes, like what am I really going to do in the next 100 minutes? Because even a day is a long, that's a long time to really kind of. You know it's slow if you were to just sit here and count the time for the day that go by, but really having things. I'm really making a conscious effort to have more intention around what I do with those units during the day rather than just getting sucked into screen time. \n\nDan: It's really interesting. You mentioned that you're a 10 quick start with future orientation and I was just thinking, as you said that and I was thinking about your that I think I'm I actually am past focused. I'm very past focused and what I'm doing is I'm looking at something that's from the past and sort of saying how could that be better in the future? \n\nLike I'm not really interested because I've experienced the past. I haven't experienced the future. So I've got one thing I've got a lot more experience with the past. Now we could just take two minutes out and just ponder the thought that I've just spoken here and I think it's probably why I am not taken at all by the futurologists that show up at the various conferences that I'm to and I said you're talking about something that you have zero experience about. And I said you're talking about something that you have zero experience about. I said why don't you talk about something that you have 100% experience? \n\nwith which is your past and then say this thing that happened to me. How could that happen to me? Better when I get to it in the future, you know so. I'm not really intrigued by the future at all because, first of all, I've got zero experience In the past. I've got a lot of experience, and it's readily available. Not only that, but it's unique. Only I know what my experience is, Only you know, what your experience is. \n\nDean: Who else knows? \n\nDan: So, I wonder if we I wonder if I'm kind of quick start so I wonder if we actually really are spending time with the future. Though I don't know, I can only answer it for myself. \n\nDean: I like, you know, creating blueprints or create you know, like that's the thing I see. I like solving problems, as this is what we need to do, but then actually implementing the things is. I find that being in the present is almost like being in the past. \n\nFunny, but I mean, sounds odd to say that, right, but it's like I think that I've already solved this. Okay, I know what this needs to be, and it just feels like such a drag that I have to now, like take the time to do the actual thing that I've already seen in my mind, you know, it's almost like you know, yeah, it's very funny. \n\nI heard somebody talked about who invented the vaccine, the polio vaccine Pasture, pasture, okay, so it was him. Somebody said that he imagined the reason, the way he solved it was he put himself in the position of if he was the, the virus or whatever, how would he attack the system? And that was his. So he put himself in that perspective of where would he go, what would he do? And it reminded me of hearing that Einstein, his, the way he came with the theory of relativity was to imagine himself on riding a beam of light. What would that look like? How would he experience that? \n\nAnd so I look at the things like when I create a solution for something, I know I already see how it's going to, I've addressed all the issues, I see, okay, this is what we need to do, and in my mind it's a fait accompli, as they say, a completed thing, it's done. I know that this is going to be the thing, but now you have to in reality, the speed of reality, actually build out all the components of it. You know, that's like writing a book, for instance, has to be done in real time, you know like I can see the outline of the well, well that you know that's really. \n\nDan: you know that's really why you want to have a lot of who's in your life, because the actual taking action and getting it done is interesting to you. But, having that? Well, let me ask you the question Taking action and getting it done is not interesting to you, but having it done, does that interest you? Yes, very interesting. Yeah, well, there's only one solution it's got to be someone else who does. \n\nDean: Yeah Well, there's only one solution it's got to be someone else who does it. No-transcript. That's been really in the last little while here. That self-awareness it's not a character thing. It's not that it's that I work best when I'm contributing discernment and invention on the if we're looking at widget things, you know. \n\nDan: yeah, well, it's really interesting abs and I have gone to to Rome three or four times and one of the things I mean, if you are interested at all in you know the ancient structures. Well, not so much Rome, but I mean Renaissance and things like that realize is that these individuals who we you know, we know them, you know leonardo and michelangelo, and we know them and we developed this image. \n\nHow could one person do all this? And the answer is they didn't. Right, right, right, they did. They had a lot of people. It's like you know, I mean, it's like we think of these. Just because we only know their name doesn't mean that they're the one who actually did it. Just yeah, it had to be named and we somebody attached their name to it and yeah, and we think it, but they didn't do uh you know they, they really didn't. \n\nI mean, they're sculptors. And you say, how could that? How could he get all that done? Well, he didn't. He got the basic picture of it done and then he had other people who were nose people and ear people and finger people. \n\nAnd he brought them all in and they put together the whole. They put together the whole statue and they put together the whole statue and that's one of the valuable things you learn about the past that things didn't get done any differently in the past than they get done today through teamwork, through large numbers of different skills coming together. The big thing is to apply it to yourself, because I think one of the things and it's a function of the school system and I don't know if you could have it any other way is that you have to study on your own, you have to take tests on your own. \n\nAnd I think it tells people that it's all an individual effort. But what if you took another group of first graders and you taught them teamwork from day one? You studied as a team, you took tests as a team and then you measured over 18 years the one who did everything on his own and the one who was just part of a team that did it. And they did it as a team. I bet the ones on the team. One is I think they'd be a lot happier, and number two is I just think they'd get a lot more done. \n\nYeah isn't that something? \n\nDean: I had a friend who you know is teaching his kids. His idea is teaching his kids like being entrepreneurs, teaching that's the way right, the self-guided way. But they would do, you know they were in a virtual school and they would set up, you know he would have vas to to do like homework for them, like show them how to, like hire someone to do this, this, write this paper yeah or whatever realizing that if there's anybody else who could do it. \n\nIf you don't need to know how to do it, then you know, kind of like taking your approach right. Is there any way I could do this without doing anything? And that's kind of yeah, that's a big thing. There's no reason for him to know. I remember that was the, that was I think it was henry ford or somebody that they were saying. You know his lack of general knowledge, but it doesn't matter. He says I have buttons on my desk. I can push this button and somebody will get me the answer to whatever I need. \n\nAnd now we've all got a PhD in our pocket. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, you know, I think the big thing is that I'm not certain that everybody has the ability of seeing the future and the future use, the future use of other people's capabilities. So I think that's an. I have it and I suspect you have it, but I can see what something looks like and I can see what someone does and I can see it applied to a future result. But I'm not sure everybody has that. \n\nDean: Yeah. I agree, yeah, I agree. Yeah, I agree, and that's kind of like the thing we just think. It's so second nature, right, like you don't know that there's anything different. I remember thinking about unique ability. I remember thinking that, well, that can't't be like, because that doesn't seem like work at all, like that doesn't seem like any effort. \n\nDan: That can't be a thing, but it is you know, yeah, well, it has to do with impact, not you know not the activity itself. Yes, what's the impact? Yeah and yeah, so it's really interesting. But I think, think you know, I'm just to you know, we're near the end of the hour here and my sense is that a lot of confusion in society right now is that science is running into a wall and technology is running into a wall, and it's human consciousness and a lot of claims are being made what technology could do, but I, I think with less and less confidence, and people are saying, well, you mean there's something else, there's something else that we can't get to, and I said, well, yeah, you experience mean, we experience that personally. \n\nWe experience that on an individual basis, why wouldn't it be on a general sense? \n\nDean: And. \n\nDan: I think there's going to be a lot of depression. I'm noticing the increase in the numbers of teenagers who have mental illness, and I think the reason is that they've been promised something that if you got this education, if you had this technology, if you had access to this and this, you would be happy. And they aren't no exactly. And none of the people who told them that can explain to them why they're not happy, why they're not happy and I think it's a general sense. \n\nI just think we've reached a point where we've been so science centric and we've been so technological centric pretty much for a century or maybe a little bit more than a century. And it was going to produce the utopian society and it was going to produce and it isn't. \n\nDean: And now. \n\nDan: I think that the most cynical people were the most idealistic people. If you take someone who's really cynical, they're the ones who were very idealistic. They said you know, everything's going to be solved, everything's going to be great, and then it wasn't. And they don everything's going to be solved, everything's going to be great, and then it wasn't. And they don't have a fallback position. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: I'm noticing that with the election this year. \n\nDean: Yes, absolutely. \n\nDan: You know, the people who are going to be happy on November 6th are the people who just lead ordinary lives. \n\nDean: You know, they just go around. \n\nDan: They got a job, they have a house, you a house and everything else. And the people who are going to be very unhappy are the people who believe we can fundamentally change everything. I've just noticed that one of the parties, which was the Party of Joy three months ago, is now the Party of Rage. \n\nDean: Oh man. \n\nDan: Yeah, they're the Party of rage. Oh man, yeah, yeah, they're the party of rage. I mean, they were all out on stage over the last two or three days of how you know, he's a fascist, he's hitler, you know. And I said look, I've watched some world war ii films, I've seen hitler. This isn't hitler, he doesn't even speak german. I mean, if you're going to speak German. \n\nDean:I mean, if you're going to be Hitler. \n\nDan: If you're going to be Hitler, you got to at least get the language down right. \n\nDean: Speak German. That's crazy, but. \n\nDan: I'm just noticing it's more than just the political season. I just think there's a thing happening right now where there's sort of a collision between what was promised and sort of what isn't happening, and that's why I think AI is really being used, but it's not being used in the way that people predicted it was going to be used. I think it's being used in many other ways. \n\nDean: Yeah, well, when are you traveling to Phoenix, dan Wednesday? \n\nDan: We're going to Phoenix, then we're going to Tucson. So we're going to be in Canyon Ranch and then we drive up the day before the genius starts. I think Okay. \n\nDean: But we should go to the. \n\nDan: Henry, we should go to the Henry I was thinking the same thing. \n\nDean: That's what I was hoping. \n\nDan: Okay, good so are we on for next? \n\nDean: week then. \n\nDan: Yeah. I'll be in Tucson. No, I can do it. No, that'd be great. \n\nDean: Okay, perfect. Well then, I will talk to you next week. Thanks, Dan. \n\nDan: Okay. \n\nDean: Great. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we explore our travels through Nashville and Chicago, highlighting the growth of these cities and our celebration at the Maxwell Clinic. Back in Toronto, we discuss new bike lane legislation and upcoming events like the Genius Network in Phoenix and our local FreeZone gathering. Dan updates us on the progress with his stem cell treatments.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOur conversation shifts to artificial intelligence and its transformative potential. 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Our exploration invites listeners to reconsider the boundaries of technology, creativity, and human potential.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul style=\"list-style-type: circle;\"\u003e\n\u003c/center\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe begin by discussing our travels to Nashville and Chicago, highlighting the growth and dynamic energy in these cities, as well as our experiences at the Maxwell Clinic and various social events.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eBack in Toronto, we note the political stir caused by new bike lane legislation and share our excitement for upcoming events, such as the Genius Network in Phoenix and the FreeZone gathering in Toronto.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eDan shares updates on his year-long journey with stem cell treatments, revealing promising results for his knee and Achilles tendons.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe explore the transformative impact of AI on personal productivity, emphasizing its role in eliminating mundane tasks and enhancing creativity.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eThe conversation delves into philosophical implications of AI and simulation theory, inspired by Elon Musk's ideas, and we ponder the possibility of our existence being a grand simulation.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe discuss the limitations of virtual reality compared to the rich sensory experiences of the real world and consider the acceptance of life as it is, even as new technologies emerge.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eThree crucial questions are proposed to streamline decision-making and productivity, offering insights that could have revolutionized lives even in past centuries.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe highlight the importance of teamwork in creativity and problem-solving, drawing lessons from historical figures and emphasizing the power of leveraging collective skills for success.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eThe episode includes a reflection on the evolution of technological advances since the 1940s, and how new technologies are now seen as normal parts of life.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eThroughout the discussion, we maintain a focus on practical applications of technology and the significance of being content with life's current state while remaining open to beneficial innovations.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr. Sullivan,\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Jackson. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Welcome back to Cloudlandia. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAll the windows repaired, the shingles put back on the top of the house. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, we didn\u0026#39;t. Luckily, no damage to the house, but lots of trees. We had some hundred-year-old oak trees that toppled up from the roof, didn\u0026#39;t? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e make it, didn\u0026#39;t make it, didn\u0026#39;t make it, didn\u0026#39;t make it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Didn\u0026#39;t make, it Didn\u0026#39;t make it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, they had too many leaves, they caught the wind. That\u0026#39;s exactly right there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So you have been on a whirlwind tour, You\u0026#39;ve been all over huh, well, just basically Nashville. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Where were we before? I\u0026#39;m just trying to think yeah, well, we were in Chicago, but we just came back from six days in Nashville, beautiful, beautiful it was, you know, high 70s, low 80s, but just beautiful. And this was four days at the Maxwell Clinic and then we stayed an extra day because David Hasse and Lindsay, his new wife, got. They were celebrating their marriage and we were there last night and there were. You know, richard Rossi was there. Lior Lior Weinstein. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Jack Jacobs was there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah, jay Jacobs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, jay Jacobs. You know a whole number of people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, very nice. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, right on the river. We were right on the Cumberland. You know it\u0026#39;s very nice and they were doing a. When we left yesterday morning it was Marathon Day in Nashville, so we had to negotiate a different route to get to the airport and today they have a big regatta right down the river. All the boats were out yesterday practicing. Do they call them boats? I think they must call them boats. They are boats. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Skulls, is that the racing thing that they do, you mean? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, the racing. They\u0026#39;re all skulls, Skulls yeah, yeah, small, medium and large. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, that\u0026#39;s interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but Nashville\u0026#39;s growing. It seems like a boom town. Lots of cranes, lots of new projects going up. Nothing to compare with Toronto, but still a decent growth. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Are you back in Toronto now? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, got back yesterday and it\u0026#39;s fall. Now it\u0026#39;s fall. That\u0026#39;s what my friend Glenn. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I talked to him today. He said it was a little bit cool. Now it\u0026#39;s like it\u0026#39;s official yeah. Bright, orange tree, everything yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e All the posing that the city was doing. No summer\u0026#39;s not over, summer\u0026#39;s, not over. All the posing has stopped, so it\u0026#39;s you know, what you would expect close to November. And anyway it\u0026#39;s good, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd we\u0026#39;re going through a big thing here because the premier of the province, rob Ford, has decided that bicycle lanes are not good for traffic and he\u0026#39;s now passing legislation or he\u0026#39;s going to put into place legislation that if a bike lane is causing traffic congestion, the bike lane has to go. And this, of course, is you know. This is the work of the devil as far as a lot of politically inclined people, but it\u0026#39;s a disaster. They did a lot of it during COVID. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e There wasn\u0026#39;t much traffic. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They took advantage when they put in a ridiculous number of bike lanes, which you know in Toronto get to about six months a year because nobody rides their bicycle in January and February and anyway. But it\u0026#39;s causing, you know, it\u0026#39;s causing a wonderfully satisfying outrage on the part of people that I don\u0026#39;t vote the same as they vote. Oh yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e This is going to be a big month here. We\u0026#39;ve got coming into, so we\u0026#39;ve got the election coming up. We\u0026#39;ve got we\u0026#39;ll be in Phoenix right after the election for Genius Network and then we\u0026#39;ll see you there. We\u0026#39;ll see you there and then I\u0026#39;ll see you again. I\u0026#39;m going to be back in Toronto. We\u0026#39;ve got our FreeZone first week in December and then I\u0026#39;m actually going to do a Breakthrough Blueprint event in Toronto the week of US Thanksgiving in toronto monday, tuesday, wednesday prior to our prior to free zone. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So, yeah, lots going on I might have made it, except I\u0026#39;ll be in buenos aires that week yeah, what\u0026#39;s your? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e this is that\u0026#39;s my big uh goal here. You know, 12 years in and we\u0026#39;ve still. It\u0026#39;s a dan sullless Breakthrough Blueprint event 12 years 12 years Dan we haven\u0026#39;t sunk your battles. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, a little bit, you know, a little bit of marketing in our direction would probably help. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You\u0026#39;re susceptible to marketing Right. Exactly I love it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I\u0026#39;m a sucker for a compelling offer. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Listen, I\u0026#39;m excited to hear your. I\u0026#39;m interested to hear because you\u0026#39;re coming up on. It\u0026#39;s been a year now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right for your stem cell Started yeah, just the first week of November last year was the first stem cell injections. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So one year you\u0026#39;ve gone four times. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s pretty good. But what we\u0026#39;ve discovered is, you know, it\u0026#39;s an old injury, it\u0026#39;s a torn meniscus in 19, so you know, pushing 50 years and so the cartilage got worn down because of the torn meniscus and now the cartilage is back to what it was regrown. It looks to be like a quarter inch of great cartilage, but there was damage to the ligaments, because when you have an injury like that, your body rearranges itself to cut down on the pain. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYour body rearranges itself to cut down on the pain. And now, so in last week of November, probably close to Thanksgiving Day, I\u0026#39;ll get stem cell injections in my ligaments and we\u0026#39;ll take it to the next level, you know, but I, yeah, I will get better. And you know I had two torn Achilles tendons within a couple of years of the knee injury, and so I got injections for those two injuries last March. And within five weeks I regained all my flexibility in my ankles. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo that went really fast, yeah, and you can\u0026#39;t, you don\u0026#39;t really fix them. You know they\u0026#39;re because they\u0026#39;re a bit shorter because of the injury. When they put them back together again. But, what happened is. There\u0026#39;s a lot of calcification that grows up over 40, 40 year period and all the calcification disappeared. It was kind of strange. They said it\u0026#39;ll take about five weeks and week one nothing, week two nothing. Week three nothing, week four nothing. First day of the fifth week, all the calcification disappeared. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, Wow, that\u0026#39;s awesome. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I\u0026#39;m sitting here rotating my ankles very proudly, even though you can\u0026#39;t see it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I can see it in my mind. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I\u0026#39;m doing it. Yeah, a lot of push off that I didn\u0026#39;t have and everything, so I\u0026#39;m a great believer. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Maybe you\u0026#39;ll be able to talk to basketball now? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, well, it depends on how. I yeah, I mean, it\u0026#39;s a function of where the rim is, it\u0026#39;s not a function of where the ground is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, that\u0026#39;s so funny, that\u0026#39;s easy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s easy. You just have to know the person who controls the rim. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh-huh. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, but it\u0026#39;s been great and you know I\u0026#39;ve been doing a lot of, you know, interesting articles. There\u0026#39;s just so many articles these days on artificial intelligence and you know the hype period seems to have reached its dismal end and you know they\u0026#39;re not seeing the returns. You know the big corporations who pile billions and billions of dollars, they\u0026#39;re just not seeing the returns and their investors in the stock market are not very happy with big payouts investment but so little return. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean you\u0026#39;re talking people who put in $100, $200 billion and then they\u0026#39;re getting that $3 billion return, which is okay if you own the company 100%, but it\u0026#39;s not good if you\u0026#39;re a public stock. So I\u0026#39;m watching that and, but meanwhile I\u0026#39;m convinced that it\u0026#39;s doing a lot of good. You know, I\u0026#39;m convinced that individuals are well, individuals are just using that to eliminate five hours of work here, five hours of work there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, I think it\u0026#39;s happening in a billion different places. But one of the things that I think is depriving us of good news here is that I think AI is not good news for the news media, because if there\u0026#39;s any jobs that are going to get eliminated, it\u0026#39;s going to be news media jobs. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I wonder, like part of the thing is that there\u0026#39;s got to be some interesting you know developments in terms of how people are going to integrate this, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eLike I said, it\u0026#39;s funny how people are doing the different prompts Lee Orson, our FreeZone. One somebody had said you know asking. I asked ChatGPT what do you know about me, based on our interactions, that I might not know about myself? And she said you know. Here are a few insights based on our conversation, she said. One you enjoy sharing knowledge and helping others. You\u0026#39;ve created content for various audiences, from real estate agents and home sellers to law firms. This suggests you find value in sharing insights and helping people achieve their goals, whether through practical tips or specialized guidance. Two you value practicality and efficiency. Many of your projects emphasize actionable, practical advice, like your guide on teeth whitening and your tips for home sellers. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou seem to appreciate solutions that are both effective and efficient, providing value without unnecessary complexity. Three, you\u0026#39;re strategic and forward thinking. No-transcript. Whether it\u0026#39;s exploring new content, marketing strategies for cybersecurity or learning how to maximize our relationships Because I asked her how can I maximize our relationship? You\u0026#39;re always seeking ways to improve. This suggests a growth mindset where you\u0026#39;re interested in both personal and professional development, and it was really then she said you\u0026#39;re health conscious and self-aware. You\u0026#39;ve taken significant steps in improving your health, from weight loss to setting fitness goals. This shows a commitment to your well-being and a good sense of self-awareness regarding the changes you\u0026#39;d like to make. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I thought, man, this is really like that\u0026#39;s good observations, you know yeah, but, dean, if you for a meal at a french restaurant, I could have told you all that it\u0026#39;s true, right it\u0026#39;s much more enjoyable, you know. Yes, for close for close ups from close observation. Yeah well, I\u0026#39;ve done the same with perplexity you know I put a little sizzle into it because you know I read all the great books at St John\u0026#39;s College. That was my college education. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd so I asked perplexity. 10 ways in which Dan Sullivan\u0026#39;s philosophy is superior to Plato\u0026#39;s philosophy in the 21st century. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Came back. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean he never had a chance. I mean what you can get from Dan Sullivan in the 20s. First of all, he\u0026#39;s alive, which is an advantage yeah. But if you pick a historical character and say, how does Dean Jackson\u0026#39;s thinking differ? Or expand on somebody else, you get more useful information. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So all they\u0026#39;re doing is picking up, you know, introductions that people have made when you were giving a talk, or you were doing a podcast and they\u0026#39;re just. All they\u0026#39;re doing is collecting all that and putting it into a form. But did you let me ask you a question putting it into a form? But did you let me ask you a question Did you get any insights from this that were new, besides what a lot of people have told you over the last 25 years? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, right, exactly. Yeah, I didn\u0026#39;t get any because I asked none of that, like if you think it all makes sense, but it was, yeah, that I might not know about myself. So none of the I didn\u0026#39;t think anything in here was something that I wouldn\u0026#39;t know about myself. Right, but that\u0026#39;s what I wonder. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean if there had been sort of like a statement that, unbeknownst to you, a great uncle of yours, who you never met, actually set aside a savings account for you 50 years ago and right now there\u0026#39;s roughly $1 billion in it for you. That would be really useful information. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That would be delightful, that would be fantastic yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I love it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I love it. I love it, yeah, no, but what I think is that, first of all, I think the Greatest progress right now using AI and it\u0026#39;s being done on an individual basis, it\u0026#39;s not being done on an organizational basis, it\u0026#39;s on an individual basis is getting rid of annoying activities, annoying use of time. I think it\u0026#39;s eliminating friction. That\u0026#39;s interfering with teamwork and everything like that. So I think you know we value the elimination of irritation. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s true. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And so I think it\u0026#39;s just being used. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it\u0026#39;s just being used where you just you know, eliminate things Like I\u0026#39;ve been using just exploring with notebook google notebook lm and I. I don\u0026#39;t find I would never use it in a public way. So just for the listeners. If you take, you say you\u0026#39;re right. I took an introduction to a book and I fed it into this, you know, into this ai app and it came back as a conversation between two individuals man and woman. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd they were talking about what they got out of. You know the introduction to the book and I came up about with about three or four things that they said in a different way, which we then built into the text as a result of listening to it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, isn\u0026#39;t that amazing? Like that, that has really upped the level. Like that kind of blew my mind when I saw we\u0026#39;ve done two of those. We did Glenn put in episode one of the I Love Marketing podcast and it really did a summary, a 10-minute summary of what and they\u0026#39;re talking about us in third person, like you know, joe and Dean talked about this and you know this was their insight that even before they were entrepreneurs, their childhood really set them up for being entrepreneurs and the whole thing thing right. It was really pretty fascinating. And then that we did, I did a zoom consultation with sheree, with joe\u0026#39;s, joe\u0026#39;s- girlfriend sheree ong. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eShe\u0026#39;s a for anybody listening. She\u0026#39;s a little plastic surgeon in Scottsdale and very renowned in that field and so we did a whole marketing brainstorm around that and we set that into and to hear them talk about and reiterate the ideas. If you just listened to it without any context there would be no, you would have a very hard time believing that was not two humans talking. I think that was really my like. That was up a level from the interaction you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I found it got. It was great to start and it wasn\u0026#39;t so good after about the halfway point. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. What I found was it was a little too enthusiastic. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, and it became almost like jargon near the end. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I think the thing was that they were just running out of things to say yeah, but it sounded like after a while it didn\u0026#39;t sound entrepreneurial, it sounded sort of corporate. This is sort of a corporate PR, but that has nothing to do with my use for it, because I\u0026#39;m not going to use it in a public way. Right? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m just using that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m just getting some reflection back on the ideas that we have in the introduction to the book coming back in a different spoke and I got some new ideas for refining what we did just out of listening. So for me that was the value a video and I didn\u0026#39;t. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I haven\u0026#39;t watched the whole thing, but the general idea is that somebody put a video to these two, the male and the female character AI, and they\u0026#39;re having a discussion as they realize that they\u0026#39;re not real, apparently we\u0026#39;re not even real. Apparently we\u0026#39;re ai, they look genuinely like surprised by this news, a little bit incredulous that I, I apparently I\u0026#39;m not real well, it brings up the question that maybe Dean and Dan aren\u0026#39;t either. You know Well what I was bringing to mind with that, Dan, is I remember hearing Elon Musk? I was just thinking. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I was just thinking. I was just thinking no, that\u0026#39;s exactly who I went to when I brought up that idea, who I went to when I brought up that idea. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. I remember somebody at a big conference asked him about the simulation theory the theory that we\u0026#39;re living in a simulation and you know he talked about it like that. He and his brother have had so many conversations about AI and the simulation theory, so many conversations about AI and the simulation theory, that they had to have a rule that they would have no such conversations while in a hot tub so that they could take a break from that conversation and his reasoning was that if you go back 50 years, we had the state of the art in gaming was Pong, which was the two you know twisty paddle things playing a ping pong game. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat was the entry into the digital gaming in the 70s virtual, visually amazing games that are played by millions of people simultaneously in a universe that\u0026#39;s fully photorealistic and and created, and his idea is that, if you factor in any amount of improvement at all, that we\u0026#39;re going to reach a point where, in a couple of years, vr is going to be visually indistinguishable from reality. We\u0026#39;ll have the capability to create virtual simulation, ancestral games that would be indistinguishable from real life. And if that\u0026#39;s the case, if we look back in the billions of years of the universe kind of thing, the odds that we\u0026#39;re the first ones to have gotten to that level is very unlikely. His whole thing is that the odds that we are in base reality he called it is one in billions and I thought man, that\u0026#39;s very I don\u0026#39;t know what that means. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t know what that means. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Meaning that this is the real thing, that this is the one he\u0026#39;s saying, that the odds that we\u0026#39;re in the actual physical world of the thing is very rare or unlike Wow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Are you saying that what we\u0026#39;re experiencing is not real, that it\u0026#39;s a simulation? I\u0026#39;m not quite getting this point. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yeah, that\u0026#39;s what he\u0026#39;s saying. No, well, real that it\u0026#39;s a simulation. I\u0026#39;m not quite getting this point. Yes, yeah, that\u0026#39;s what he\u0026#39;s saying. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No well, yeah, but it\u0026#39;s a theory. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, exactly, you can do anything with a theory. Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e First of all, there isn\u0026#39;t enough electricity in our solar system to power that, I mean just to power it. Our solar system to power that I mean just to power it, and you know I mean. They\u0026#39;re running into a problem right now, projecting technological growth to 2030. The United States does not have the electricity to do it. Okay, so there has to be, there has to be a bit of an improvement there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The other thing is visual, visual perception and maybe audio to go along with. It is a small part of what we experience. I mean we have spatial awareness, we have touch, we have taste, we have smell, and then there\u0026#39;s other ways of communicating that we don\u0026#39;t quite understand, but we, energetically we. And one of the things that I really noticed with my few explorations of virtual reality is how flat and boring it is. It\u0026#39;s just flat and boring, and the reason is because it\u0026#39;s the creation of one person or the creation of a team where if you go to Yorkville or you go to Winter Haven, you know, and you walk around and you experience everything. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s the creation of hundreds of thousands of people who made the adjustment here, adjustment there and everything like that. But my sense is that there\u0026#39;s a deep, what I would say depression setting into the entrepreneurial world right now, and the scientific world for that matter, that they\u0026#39;re never going to understand human consciousness, and it\u0026#39;s pretty well. There\u0026#39;s been no advance in 40 years of understanding what human consciousness is, and it\u0026#39;s not fast computing, you know just to say what the thesis is. It\u0026#39;s something else. One of it it\u0026#39;s not measurable, because what you\u0026#39;re experiencing right now is truly unique. You\u0026#39;ve just created something. As you\u0026#39;re engaging in this discussion with someone you find interesting, and you have all sorts of thoughts coming out. This is all. None of this is measurable and never will it be measurable, Right, Okay, and so I think that\u0026#39;s the real issue. But what I\u0026#39;m saying I was thinking of a book title I was wandering around yesterday is that I\u0026#39;m 80 now, so I was born in 44 and there\u0026#39;s just been a lot of technological. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere\u0026#39;s just been a lot of technological change since 1940, 1944. So I no longer consider it magical, I just consider it normal. When a new thing, like when the LM, you know the notebook, I no longer have the phrase this is fascinating, this is wonderful, I said, well, this is normal, this is just, I\u0026#39;m just seeing something. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah well, this is a new thing and it\u0026#39;s really interesting and we\u0026#39;ll see if it\u0026#39;s useful, you know, in the normal way. In other words, does it make money for you, you know, does it save time? And so I\u0026#39;m getting more and more where I\u0026#39;m absolutely immune to other people\u0026#39;s sense of magic about technology. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah yeah, I use you as an example. You basically have had functional use of all of these things without it even being technological advancements. I always talk about my Tesla. Now I\u0026#39;ve got the full self driving supervised, which is like it can make all the turns and do all the things. But you\u0026#39;ve got to really be aware I can\u0026#39;t hop in the back seat and go wherever I want to go. But I always say to people listen, Dan Sullivan\u0026#39;s had it right, because for 30 years you\u0026#39;ve had autonomous driving for 30 years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, autonomous from my standpoint. Yes, that\u0026#39;s what I mean. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You\u0026#39;ve had the functionality of it right. And that\u0026#39;s been the thing. It\u0026#39;s so funny yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, yeah, and the other thing is, I don\u0026#39;t know it comes down to. I think you know what your stand is on technology has a lot to do with. Are you okay with life just the way it is? And I am, you know and I am. But the way life just is that every once in a while a new technology pops up that I find really useful and then it becomes part of my normal, then it becomes my normal life, and that\u0026#39;s been happening for 80 years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I suspect it\u0026#39;s going to keep. I suspect it\u0026#39;s going to keep going that way. But you know, but the it tells me. You know, know, one of the things I\u0026#39;m really interested in is just a little experiment I\u0026#39;ve been running now for about eight months and it has to do with three questions and I\u0026#39;ve been kind of captured by this. It\u0026#39;s a tool. It\u0026#39;s called three crucial questions, you know, and we\u0026#39;ve talked about it, and the first first one is there any way that I can help by doing nothing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNumber two is if there is something, what\u0026#39;s the least I have to do, that\u0026#39;s that. And if it\u0026#39;s the least I have to do, is there someone who can do the least that I have to do? And it really struck me that if I had learned this when I was like six years old, struck me that if I had learned this when I was like six years old, my life would have really gone in a different direction. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt would have really turned out different because I would have been really super acute to what other people could do for me. You, know, right from the beginning. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, none of that involves technology. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e None of that directly. I mean I\u0026#39;m saying that if I had done this 300 years ago and somebody had those three questions, they probably would have lived a really interesting, productive, creative life. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, there\u0026#39;s so much in it. There\u0026#39;s like a I mean, there\u0026#39;s certainly a who, not how element to it, for sure and the. There\u0026#39;s a unique ability. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e There\u0026#39;s a unique ability, yeah, but there\u0026#39;s also a workaround. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e There\u0026#39;s a can I pray while I\u0026#39;m smoking instead of? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e smoking while you\u0026#39;re praying. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know it resonated with me with the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know I\u0026#39;ve been working with the. Imagine if you applied yourself and self is the acronym for fear, meaning something that you know. But that would be essentially your question one is there any service or anybody that you know that could be able to do that? And then the second level is E for energy, which is that\u0026#39;s the things that only I can do. L is leadership, where I could just tell somebody else, and F is finances. So can I apply myself to get this accomplished? I like this idea of what are you calling this? You called it the Dan Sullivan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, it\u0026#39;s just called three crucial questions because it\u0026#39;s a little-. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Three crucial questions Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so you pick three things that are, you know, projects or problems right now. But, I just choose problem. That\u0026#39;s something you haven\u0026#39;t solved. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And then you ask you you know you describe each of the three. So you\u0026#39;re coming downward on the left hand column. Then you go across and you got a matrix of three questions. And the first question is there any way you can solve this by doing nothing, and I\u0026#39;ve never had, I\u0026#39;ve never said yes to the question. But the question itself is very useful because it immediately simplifies your thinking. You know, it simplifies your thinking. And yeah, the second one what\u0026#39;s the least you have to? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003edo now you\u0026#39;re getting really simple. And then the third question is there anyone else who can do this very simple thing? You know and, and then, and, if there is. You\u0026#39;ve just answered question number one. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s what I mean. That\u0026#39;s the can I pray while I\u0026#39;m smoking? You\u0026#39;ve worked in the back door there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, you can\u0026#39;t without doing nothing, okay well what do I? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e need to do. Well, you got to do this and this. Well, can somebody else do that? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s okay. Yeah, and then you also you\u0026#39;re questioning well, is it even enough of a problem to even be, you know, spending? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e thinking about what if I don\u0026#39;t solve this problem? Is it okay if I just forget about it? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and what it does is that it\u0026#39;s a measurement tool in the sense of you know you\u0026#39;re going to be doing something with your time today anyway, and the question is are these three things anything that\u0026#39;s worth your time today? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And it keeps you from getting you know, getting too taken up with busyness. Yes, I love that, but it\u0026#39;s funny because I the reason I brought it up as a topic on our talk here. Since I came up with it, it\u0026#39;s a, it\u0026#39;s one of those thinking tools that won\u0026#39;t let me alone. Let you go. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eRight you know I\u0026#39;ve had a few and so, for example, example, without going through and actually counting them up, I would say I probably did it 20 times during the day where I was thinking about something and uh, you know, and my mind had wandered. You know, I was thinking about something and I immediately the question came up is there anything you can do about that? Can you solve this without doing anything? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd immediately I was redirected to an activity that was right in the present, that I could be taking and I could be conscious about it and everything like that. So it\u0026#39;s really interesting because I come up with a lot of tools, but they\u0026#39;re for a purpose, they\u0026#39;re for a workshop. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey\u0026#39;re for everything, but this is the first one that keeps coming back and bothering me In your daily, for your daily life. Yeah, yeah, it seems to want to be part of my daily life and that\u0026#39;s you know. And yeah, it\u0026#39;s just an. It\u0026#39;s just an interesting thing that I\u0026#39;m doing and it\u0026#39;s very useful because the moment I ask the question, is there any way I can solve this? By doing nothing and immediately, my attention is a hundred percent just on what I can do right now, which feels real good, which feels real good you know to be fully engaged. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Not doing anything is. Not doing anything at all is also an option, do I even? Need to do anything at all about this. What would happen if I didn\u0026#39;t? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve had. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Joe Polish and I were talking the other day. I did a Zoom session in the Genius Network event last week, thursday, friday, and you know one of the things that he was talking about was Keith Cunningham\u0026#39;s idea that more businesses they suffer from indigestion than starvation for ideas. They\u0026#39;re not starving for new ideas, they\u0026#39;ve got indigestion of ideas too many things. And I realized, as a 10 quick start with a future orientation, that is definitely my. I have so way more ideas than I could possibly implement. You know, and I look at I\u0026#39;ve always. One of my personal kind of orientations is definitely, you know, future oriented. I see things, how they can be solved. But I\u0026#39;ve also learned that the reality you know, you and I\u0026#39;ve talked about the fact that life moves at the speed of reality, which is 60 minutes per hour and when you\u0026#39;re actually practically doing anything in the now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat\u0026#39;s the constraint, that is the biggest thing for a future-oriented shapeshifter. You know, like you and I. So I\u0026#39;ve been revisited our the idea of procrastination, the joy of procrastination in. You know, my number one thing is always has been that I know I\u0026#39;m being successful when I can wake up every day and say what would I like to do today? And I\u0026#39;ve started thinking about how I can make that more practical, like to have more to show for it at the end of the day than just drifting with. You know, all my time freedom and the funny little exercise that I\u0026#39;ve been playing is do you remember in the original Wheel of Fortune when you won on Wheel of Fortune you would have you could spend all your money on the showcase kind of thing. They\u0026#39;d have all the prizes all lined up and you can. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI\u0026#39;ll take this for a thousand and I\u0026#39;ll take this for 500 and I\u0026#39;ll take the rest on a gift certificate or whatever. I started thinking about, maybe going through my days. Yesterday was the first day that I kind of, you know, I\u0026#39;ve been playing with that mindset of looking at today, as with my 100 minute units for the day, looking at the you know prize, the gallery of all the things that I could do and looking to fill them into my day. I\u0026#39;ll take a massage for six units and I\u0026#39;ll take this. I\u0026#39;ll take a movie for 10 units and I\u0026#39;ll do some 50 minute focus finders for 10 units. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd you start like looking at my day and realizing that what kind of creates a little sense of urgency or a present mindedness for the day is really thinking about maximizing for the next 100 minutes, like what am I really going to do in the next 100 minutes? Because even a day is a long, that\u0026#39;s a long time to really kind of. You know it\u0026#39;s slow if you were to just sit here and count the time for the day that go by, but really having things. I\u0026#39;m really making a conscious effort to have more intention around what I do with those units during the day rather than just getting sucked into screen time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s really interesting. You mentioned that you\u0026#39;re a 10 quick start with future orientation and I was just thinking, as you said that and I was thinking about your that I think I\u0026#39;m I actually am past focused. I\u0026#39;m very past focused and what I\u0026#39;m doing is I\u0026#39;m looking at something that\u0026#39;s from the past and sort of saying how could that be better in the future? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eLike I\u0026#39;m not really interested because I\u0026#39;ve experienced the past. I haven\u0026#39;t experienced the future. So I\u0026#39;ve got one thing I\u0026#39;ve got a lot more experience with the past. Now we could just take two minutes out and just ponder the thought that I\u0026#39;ve just spoken here and I think it\u0026#39;s probably why I am not taken at all by the futurologists that show up at the various conferences that I\u0026#39;m to and I said you\u0026#39;re talking about something that you have zero experience about. And I said you\u0026#39;re talking about something that you have zero experience about. I said why don\u0026#39;t you talk about something that you have 100% experience? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ewith which is your past and then say this thing that happened to me. How could that happen to me? Better when I get to it in the future, you know so. I\u0026#39;m not really intrigued by the future at all because, first of all, I\u0026#39;ve got zero experience In the past. I\u0026#39;ve got a lot of experience, and it\u0026#39;s readily available. Not only that, but it\u0026#39;s unique. Only I know what my experience is, Only you know, what your experience is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Who else knows? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So, I wonder if we I wonder if I\u0026#39;m kind of quick start so I wonder if we actually really are spending time with the future. Though I don\u0026#39;t know, I can only answer it for myself. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I like, you know, creating blueprints or create you know, like that\u0026#39;s the thing I see. I like solving problems, as this is what we need to do, but then actually implementing the things is. I find that being in the present is almost like being in the past. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eFunny, but I mean, sounds odd to say that, right, but it\u0026#39;s like I think that I\u0026#39;ve already solved this. Okay, I know what this needs to be, and it just feels like such a drag that I have to now, like take the time to do the actual thing that I\u0026#39;ve already seen in my mind, you know, it\u0026#39;s almost like you know, yeah, it\u0026#39;s very funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI heard somebody talked about who invented the vaccine, the polio vaccine Pasture, pasture, okay, so it was him. Somebody said that he imagined the reason, the way he solved it was he put himself in the position of if he was the, the virus or whatever, how would he attack the system? And that was his. So he put himself in that perspective of where would he go, what would he do? And it reminded me of hearing that Einstein, his, the way he came with the theory of relativity was to imagine himself on riding a beam of light. What would that look like? How would he experience that? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd so I look at the things like when I create a solution for something, I know I already see how it\u0026#39;s going to, I\u0026#39;ve addressed all the issues, I see, okay, this is what we need to do, and in my mind it\u0026#39;s a fait accompli, as they say, a completed thing, it\u0026#39;s done. I know that this is going to be the thing, but now you have to in reality, the speed of reality, actually build out all the components of it. You know, that\u0026#39;s like writing a book, for instance, has to be done in real time, you know like I can see the outline of the well, well that you know that\u0026#39;s really. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e you know that\u0026#39;s really why you want to have a lot of who\u0026#39;s in your life, because the actual taking action and getting it done is interesting to you. But, having that? Well, let me ask you the question Taking action and getting it done is not interesting to you, but having it done, does that interest you? Yes, very interesting. Yeah, well, there\u0026#39;s only one solution it\u0026#39;s got to be someone else who does. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah Well, there\u0026#39;s only one solution it\u0026#39;s got to be someone else who does it. No-transcript. That\u0026#39;s been really in the last little while here. That self-awareness it\u0026#39;s not a character thing. It\u0026#39;s not that it\u0026#39;s that I work best when I\u0026#39;m contributing discernment and invention on the if we\u0026#39;re looking at widget things, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e yeah, well, it\u0026#39;s really interesting abs and I have gone to to Rome three or four times and one of the things I mean, if you are interested at all in you know the ancient structures. Well, not so much Rome, but I mean Renaissance and things like that realize is that these individuals who we you know, we know them, you know leonardo and michelangelo, and we know them and we developed this image. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHow could one person do all this? And the answer is they didn\u0026#39;t. Right, right, right, they did. They had a lot of people. It\u0026#39;s like you know, I mean, it\u0026#39;s like we think of these. Just because we only know their name doesn\u0026#39;t mean that they\u0026#39;re the one who actually did it. Just yeah, it had to be named and we somebody attached their name to it and yeah, and we think it, but they didn\u0026#39;t do uh you know they, they really didn\u0026#39;t. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean, they\u0026#39;re sculptors. And you say, how could that? How could he get all that done? Well, he didn\u0026#39;t. He got the basic picture of it done and then he had other people who were nose people and ear people and finger people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd he brought them all in and they put together the whole. They put together the whole statue and they put together the whole statue and that\u0026#39;s one of the valuable things you learn about the past that things didn\u0026#39;t get done any differently in the past than they get done today through teamwork, through large numbers of different skills coming together. The big thing is to apply it to yourself, because I think one of the things and it\u0026#39;s a function of the school system and I don\u0026#39;t know if you could have it any other way is that you have to study on your own, you have to take tests on your own. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I think it tells people that it\u0026#39;s all an individual effort. But what if you took another group of first graders and you taught them teamwork from day one? You studied as a team, you took tests as a team and then you measured over 18 years the one who did everything on his own and the one who was just part of a team that did it. And they did it as a team. I bet the ones on the team. One is I think they\u0026#39;d be a lot happier, and number two is I just think they\u0026#39;d get a lot more done. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah isn\u0026#39;t that something? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I had a friend who you know is teaching his kids. His idea is teaching his kids like being entrepreneurs, teaching that\u0026#39;s the way right, the self-guided way. But they would do, you know they were in a virtual school and they would set up, you know he would have vas to to do like homework for them, like show them how to, like hire someone to do this, this, write this paper yeah or whatever realizing that if there\u0026#39;s anybody else who could do it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIf you don\u0026#39;t need to know how to do it, then you know, kind of like taking your approach right. Is there any way I could do this without doing anything? And that\u0026#39;s kind of yeah, that\u0026#39;s a big thing. There\u0026#39;s no reason for him to know. I remember that was the, that was I think it was henry ford or somebody that they were saying. You know his lack of general knowledge, but it doesn\u0026#39;t matter. He says I have buttons on my desk. I can push this button and somebody will get me the answer to whatever I need. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd now we\u0026#39;ve all got a PhD in our pocket. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, you know, I think the big thing is that I\u0026#39;m not certain that everybody has the ability of seeing the future and the future use, the future use of other people\u0026#39;s capabilities. So I think that\u0026#39;s an. I have it and I suspect you have it, but I can see what something looks like and I can see what someone does and I can see it applied to a future result. But I\u0026#39;m not sure everybody has that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. I agree, yeah, I agree. Yeah, I agree, and that\u0026#39;s kind of like the thing we just think. It\u0026#39;s so second nature, right, like you don\u0026#39;t know that there\u0026#39;s anything different. I remember thinking about unique ability. I remember thinking that, well, that can\u0026#39;t\u0026#39;t be like, because that doesn\u0026#39;t seem like work at all, like that doesn\u0026#39;t seem like any effort. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That can\u0026#39;t be a thing, but it is you know, yeah, well, it has to do with impact, not you know not the activity itself. Yes, what\u0026#39;s the impact? Yeah and yeah, so it\u0026#39;s really interesting. But I think, think you know, I\u0026#39;m just to you know, we\u0026#39;re near the end of the hour here and my sense is that a lot of confusion in society right now is that science is running into a wall and technology is running into a wall, and it\u0026#39;s human consciousness and a lot of claims are being made what technology could do, but I, I think with less and less confidence, and people are saying, well, you mean there\u0026#39;s something else, there\u0026#39;s something else that we can\u0026#39;t get to, and I said, well, yeah, you experience mean, we experience that personally. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe experience that on an individual basis, why wouldn\u0026#39;t it be on a general sense? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think there\u0026#39;s going to be a lot of depression. I\u0026#39;m noticing the increase in the numbers of teenagers who have mental illness, and I think the reason is that they\u0026#39;ve been promised something that if you got this education, if you had this technology, if you had access to this and this, you would be happy. And they aren\u0026#39;t no exactly. And none of the people who told them that can explain to them why they\u0026#39;re not happy, why they\u0026#39;re not happy and I think it\u0026#39;s a general sense. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI just think we\u0026#39;ve reached a point where we\u0026#39;ve been so science centric and we\u0026#39;ve been so technological centric pretty much for a century or maybe a little bit more than a century. And it was going to produce the utopian society and it was going to produce and it isn\u0026#39;t. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that the most cynical people were the most idealistic people. If you take someone who\u0026#39;s really cynical, they\u0026#39;re the ones who were very idealistic. They said you know, everything\u0026#39;s going to be solved, everything\u0026#39;s going to be great, and then it wasn\u0026#39;t. And they don everything\u0026#39;s going to be solved, everything\u0026#39;s going to be great, and then it wasn\u0026#39;t. And they don\u0026#39;t have a fallback position. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m noticing that with the election this year. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, absolutely. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, the people who are going to be happy on November 6th are the people who just lead ordinary lives. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, they just go around. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They got a job, they have a house, you a house and everything else. And the people who are going to be very unhappy are the people who believe we can fundamentally change everything. I\u0026#39;ve just noticed that one of the parties, which was the Party of Joy three months ago, is now the Party of Rage. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh man. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, they\u0026#39;re the Party of rage. Oh man, yeah, yeah, they\u0026#39;re the party of rage. I mean, they were all out on stage over the last two or three days of how you know, he\u0026#39;s a fascist, he\u0026#39;s hitler, you know. And I said look, I\u0026#39;ve watched some world war ii films, I\u0026#39;ve seen hitler. This isn\u0026#39;t hitler, he doesn\u0026#39;t even speak german. I mean, if you\u0026#39;re going to speak German. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003eI mean, if you\u0026#39;re going to be Hitler. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e If you\u0026#39;re going to be Hitler, you got to at least get the language down right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Speak German. That\u0026#39;s crazy, but. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m just noticing it\u0026#39;s more than just the political season. I just think there\u0026#39;s a thing happening right now where there\u0026#39;s sort of a collision between what was promised and sort of what isn\u0026#39;t happening, and that\u0026#39;s why I think AI is really being used, but it\u0026#39;s not being used in the way that people predicted it was going to be used. I think it\u0026#39;s being used in many other ways. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, when are you traveling to Phoenix, dan Wednesday? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We\u0026#39;re going to Phoenix, then we\u0026#39;re going to Tucson. So we\u0026#39;re going to be in Canyon Ranch and then we drive up the day before the genius starts. I think Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But we should go to the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Henry, we should go to the Henry I was thinking the same thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s what I was hoping. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, good so are we on for next? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e week then. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. I\u0026#39;ll be in Tucson. No, I can do it. No, that\u0026#39;d be great. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, perfect. Well then, I will talk to you next week. Thanks, Dan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Great. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we explore our travels through Nashville and Chicago, highlighting the growth of these cities and our celebration at the Maxwell Clinic. Back in Toronto, we discuss new bike lane legislation and upcoming events like the Genius Network in Phoenix and our local FreeZone gathering. Dan updates us on the progress with his stem cell treatments.\r\n\r\nOur conversation shifts to artificial intelligence and its transformative potential. We examine how AI is changing productivity, eliminating routine tasks, and sparking creativity. Inspired by Elon Musk's simulation theory, we dive into philosophical questions about reality, pondering whether our existence might be a sophisticated technological construct.\r\n\r\nWe explore the rapid evolution of technology, tracing the journey from basic video games to immersive virtual realities. The discussion covers autonomous driving and other technological innovations that are seamlessly integrating into our lives. We introduce three key questions designed to improve decision-making and productivity – insights that could have been groundbreaking in previous eras.\r\n\r\nThe episode concludes by celebrating teamwork and collective problem-solving. We draw inspiration from historical figures, highlighting how combining diverse skills can lead to remarkable achievements. Our exploration invites listeners to reconsider the boundaries of technology, creativity, and human potential.","date_published":"2024-11-20T07:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/fab32eb4-8802-4ea3-824e-1ac1a0787778.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":50057382,"duration_in_seconds":3128}]},{"id":"9482de6f-6ad9-43ab-8e15-e5eacce8d4c1","title":"Ep137: Surviving Storms and Sparking Innovation ","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/137","content_text":"In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, I share my experiences living in hurricane-prone areas, focusing on the looming threat of Hurricane Milton in Florida. We delve into how such natural disasters test our resilience, drawing parallels with historical floods in Ohio. These experiences serve as a backdrop for discussing the broader theme of adaptation and change.\n\nWe explore the Strategic Coach framework's Free Zone concept, which redefines retirement as a time for continuous growth, fueled by innovation and technology. I express skepticism about Artificial General Intelligence, instead advocating for real-world applications of AI that enhance learning and productivity.\n\nThe episode also dives into marketing strategies in the digital age, highlighting the Profit Activator Scorecard and AI tools like Perplexity and Google's Notebook. These tools help us identify gaps and enrich our marketing approaches, as illustrated through collaborations with Joe Polish and Dr. Cherie Ong.\n\nOur discussion extends to AI's role in creative and analytical tasks, showcasing how tools like Perplexity can generate insights and drive innovative conversations. We reflect on how these technologies can transform marketing strategies and enhance our understanding of complex topics.\n\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\n\n We discuss the impact of hurricanes and tornadoes, focusing on Hurricane Milton's impending threat to Florida, and share personal experiences living in hurricane-prone areas.\n  We reflect on the resilience required to recover from natural disasters, drawing parallels to historical floods in Ohio and emphasizing how modern media amplifies the perception of storm severity.\n  Devlin describes the Strategic Coach framework's Free Zone concept, highlighting its role in extending entrepreneurial lifetimes and promoting continuous personal and team development.\n  We express skepticism about Artificial General Intelligence, advocating instead for the use of AI in specific, real-world applications to drive innovation and growth.\n  Stuart explores the Profit Activator Scorecard, detailing how to leverage its results to enhance marketing strategies and fill gaps in reaching target audiences.\n  We examine the application of AI tools like Perplexity and Google's Notebook in generating fresh perspectives and enriching marketing conversations.\n  Devlin introduces a new AI tool, \"How You're Always Luckier,\" and discusses its use in generating insights into entrepreneurial luck and societal trends.\n  We compare the capabilities of AI tools like Perplexity and Google Notebook, highlighting their potential uses in strategic planning and productivity enhancement.\n  Stuart shares insights into using AI-generated conversations to gain new perspectives on marketing strategies, illustrating with examples from collaborations with Joe Polish and Dr. Cherie Ong.\n  We discuss personal plans and upcoming travel, setting homework assignments to further explore AI tools and reconnect in future episodes.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean: Well, well, well, didn't even get to the course. \n\nDan: Yeah, Mr Jackson. How are you, sir? So you were lucky with that hurricane, but you may get the next one. \n\nDean: Holy cow, dan, this is exactly what I talk about with the week before we get the big red arrow, you know, the buzzsaw building in the Gulf and this one, if you take the track, of course, the cone, the probable cone right now and for anybody listening, we're talking about what will become Hurricane Milton, right on the heels of Hurricane Helene, is projected to go right over Tampa, to go right over Tampa, and if you take the red line in the center of the cone, the projected path is literally about a mile from my house, right through the Four Seasons, valhalla. \n\nYeah, so, I don't know. I may hightail it to Chicago or something. \n\nDan: You may have to move from one side of your garden to the other. \n\nDean: That's right. No, this is. Yeah, this will be. This could be like direct path type of stuff. And, of course, the poor. You know people in Tampa and St Petersburg and Sarasota. \n\nDan: They got, they always get it worse, absolutely. \n\nDean: But this last one was, you know, crazy amounts of flooding, and that was not even that, was just the outskirts of a lane. This one is projected to make landfall right in Tampa. \n\nDan: So I don't know. \n\nDean: I don't know, but it's good, you know, to know the. It's good to know what's there. \n\nDan: Yeah, and have forewarning. \n\nDean: Yeah, exactly, you're on high ground in Florida. \n\nDan: Right, You're on high ground in Florida. You're at least 10 feet above sea level, aren't you? \n\nDean: I looked the other time, one of the times we were talking I looked and I'm actually at 150 feet above sea level, so like oh, you're like on Mount Everest in Florida, that's exactly right. Yeah, that's exactly right. Still I may, it's part of life though. You know, I mean, I tell people. \n\nDan: It's part of life. I remember growing up in Ohio. I was in the north of Ohio, but Ohio River comes under the entire state from east to west and they had tremendous floods and there were people in my first 18 years living at home with my parents. \n\nI bet they got flooded out five, six times. You know where their houses would be gone and everything else. Yeah, you know, flood passes by, they rebuild and they go on with life and you know I mean the two things that the US Generally the US has great climate, has great weather. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: But it's got a couple of things though Storms from the Gulf of Mexico or from the ocean, you know, from the way of Bahamas. You know, like out in the it comes from the east to the west, but usually it comes from south to northeast. I guess this would be south to east-north-east. It kind of rises a bit after it goes through Tampa right. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's right. \n\nDan: And the other thing is the tornadoes, which are largely unique to the United States. Largely unique to the United States, and it's because of the warm Gulf Gulf of Mexico, cold north, coming from Canada, and then they collide and they start creating a circle. \n\nAnd then they hit the mountains on the west and then they start coming east and Ohio doesn't get them that much. We never get the effects of the hurricanes. I mean by then it's petered out by the time it gets up to Ohio but the tornadoes are different because it's a flat, generally a flat geography in the north. It's where two roads meet. That's about six miles from where I grew up and they had like a church, a general store and a trailer park and three times when I was growing up the tornado hit the trailer park, didn't hit the church, didn't hit the general store. \n\nOh, man Didn't hit, the church didn't hit the general story, oh man, and I said you know it's like a red flag for a bull. You know I mean you're just asking for trouble if you live in a trailer park, but I'm sure that you know people with manufactured homes really got a hard hit in North Carolina. Hard hit in North. \n\nDean: Carolina, I can't even imagine, like Norman I mean yeah. Norman in South Carolina. Tech. That is the power company they're said we're estimating that power will be restored in four to five weeks. Yeah, I mean wild huh. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: I mean so amazing, you know that's. I just can't even imagine like your whole, you know your whole uh town being cut off, like there's some of those things in the mountain roads in north carolina. You know in the mountains there that the only way to get to them is through this one road going up around the mountain, and if that washes out which it has I just wonder like how long the how long it's gonna take to rebuild everything it's gonna take a long time. \n\nDan: Yeah, some of it, not at all, probably. I mean, there's probably some small hamlets that they just leave, you know they'll just leave you know anyway, but anyway it's really interesting the I mean every once in a while you get a really severe storm, which this one was. But you know, it's how people don't really understand population, that I mean. There were worse storms as far as people dying in the early part of the 20th century. Far more people got killed. I think there was a famous one in Texas, which. \n\nI think it was a couple of thousand people died. You know this one. But people don't realize. When there's a lot more people and a lot more houses, the storm seems more severe, because there's more damage, there's, you know, more wreckage, and plus there's television and there's well, that's what they're saying. \n\nDean: Back in a hundred years ago, you had to depend on somebody's big toe swelling to get there's a storm coming yeah, there was a tornado. \n\nDan: I think there was a tornado, I think it was in the 20s, 1920s and it went over three states. I think it's sort of like Nebraska, that area, you know, the real. Midwest, but it was clocked at close to 80 miles an hour and it stayed on the ground for three states. It didn't jump up, it just stayed on the and it really. I mean it just destroyed towns in its path and the way they know how fast it was going was the report in from the telegraph offices as it was going north. \n\nYeah, funny, as long as you weren't there. \n\nDean: Yeah, holy cow Anyway. \n\nDan: I was just working on a new thinking tool. \n\nDean: I'd like to hear all about that, yeah and actually two of them. \n\nDan: I finished one and I'm starting another one today, and the first tool is called Strengthening your Strengths, and I happen to think that this is the number one entrepreneurial skill. \n\nDean: Tell me all about it. Strengthening your strength sounds like something I would be completely interested in doing. \n\nDan: Yeah, the other one's called how you're always luckier. Yeah, okay, so you got two tools. You got two tools in mind. \n\nDean: Okay, we're going to talk about strengthening your strength. Yeah, the two tools in mind, I've got them. \n\nDan: Talk about strengthening your strength, yeah, and then you categorize them what's your best strength right now? In other words, if you took a look at where you are right now, what's your best strength? And so mine, the number one, is just my teamwork with bats. You know, which goes back 40 years. \n\nThat's my number one strength, okay. Number two is the team that we have our unique ability team, and number three is the entrepreneurs that I get to work with. Yeah, okay, and so, as you can see the way I'm laying it out, it's me and something outside of me. My biggest strength is that I'm 50% of the deal but there's another 50% of Babs in the team. \n\nAnd I have others, I have others, but those would be the top three. And then over on the right-hand side, is 12 strengthening. In other words, which are the ones that you would strengthen over the next 12 months? It's very interesting. It's a very interesting. The insights that come out. You know, because it's your strengths, are far more than you. Your strength is your connection to other, in collaboration with other people. \n\nDean: Yeah, got it, I do. \n\nDan: And then you know there's a lot of thinking, there's insights. You brainstorm in both of them and then you pick the top. You pick the top three. \n\nDean: So how would you think about the? How would you think about your 12 month improvement in your strength of collaboration with? \n\nDan: BabAPS yeah. So, the big thing right now is our clinics. You know, I mean it's a great teamwork and we want it to last a lot longer into the future. So the work that we do with David Hasse and Nashville will be going down in a couple of weeks. \n\nDean: Your joint longevity project right? Yeah, Well, he's got. \n\nDan: You know, I mean, he's got the full medical every 90 days. And then what needs to be adjusted. You know what's really working, what's not really working. So we get a full blood panel, top to bottom, for every 90 days. And then he creates a whole supplement things we take four times a day. And there's all sorts of adjustments every 90 days. And then the second one is the clinic in Buenos Aires that we will be going down again in November. \n\nAnd that's the stem cells. So yeah, so I mean we're good with each other on all levels, but it's keeping both of us healthy and fit. \n\nDean: Yeah, keeping the racehorse healthy right. \n\nDan: Keeping the races coming yeah exactly Right, right, right yeah. And then the team, the big thing is going to. We're going to make the four by four tool. So we just created the new book which you got. You came to your free zone, so casting that hiring, and we're going to make it every quarter. Every team member upgrades their own 4x4 and talks with their team about it, and the team leaders talk to Babs about it what they're doing. \n\nAnd just do this and get better at it, quarter by quarter, and I think that's going to really strengthen, really strengthen. You know, I mean our main capability and the third one with the entrepreneurs. The big thing my goal 20 years in the future is that the entire strategic coach program, all three levels, is in fact the free zone, and what we're doing now is that we're showing that every tool say, for example, the very first tool when people start coach is the lifetime extender, and that gives you a free zone, because the moment that you extend your life and have 20, 30, 50 extra years you weren't planning on. \n\nYes, yeah, but the way you're looking at it is a free zone. Nobody else is looking at it this way and I already have proof after 30 years. So the lifetime extender has been there for 30 years, so the lifetime extender has been there for 30 years and I have proof now that I would say, on average, entrepreneurs are extending their working lifetime by probably 15 years as a result of that thinking exercise. \n\nYeah, you know where they might be checking out at 60 or 65, know where they might be checking out at 60 or 65. \n\nDean: Uh, they're pushing through to 80. So, yeah, it's very, it's really interesting to see just you know, being surrounded by your people in in strategic coach specifically, that are nobody's thinking about retirement, nobody's thinking about retirement, nobody's thinking about winding down or anything. You know, I think that's all part of you being the lead. You know the lead example the lead dog, the lead dog, exactly Moving into your ninth decade here with an aspiration to outperform your 70s, which was your greatest decade right. \n\nDan: So that's on every level. Yeah, I would say, if you took any entrepreneurial gathering in the world, you know other programs or other associations and had the sort of the demographic mix that's the same as strategic coach, in other words, from, generally speaking, from your 30s to your 60s, generally, I mean that's where the majority of our clients would be. Strategic coach would be the only one where the word retirement is not used. Nobody ever talks about retirement Right exactly, and that's a free zone? \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, for sure. It's so great to watch too, to see just your momentum. I always tell you too, but I always tell people you're like the ghost of Christmas. Future 22 years ahead of me the ghost of Christmas future 22 years ahead of me, you know it's like you know, because I just love. \n\nIt's so inspiring to me to see that you know, because a lot of times you start to think, okay, I'm 58 now and you know 60 is approaching, but then that's still. You know even the conversations that we've had about the. You know 60s approaching, but then that's still. You know even the conversations that we've had about the. You know 20 years now, if you take a 25 year framework and start another at 60, kind of thing, that's yeah, it's wide open fields, you know, and where we're where we are now. \n\nWho even knows? I had my mind blown the other day. I don't know whether you've seen or heard any examples of the Google Notebook. \n\nDan: Yeah, a couple of our team members are working with it. I mean, they introduced it to me, I didn't introduce it to them. Yeah, I think it's. You know, I haven't tried it yet, but I think within the next quarter I will. I'll try it and it seems to me that it's a lot better format than having a chat bot that you ask questions you ask questions for sure. \n\nDean: Yeah, I mean I heard for sure. \n\nDan: Yeah, I mean, I heard, you know, I heard an example where they were taking apart, you know, a topic and they were just talking to each other and I found it more informative and more, what I would say stimulating to listen to the back and forth conversation than if I was asking a question or it was asking me a question. I just think it's a better format for bringing out the essence of three topic. \n\nDean: And Dan. The realness of the voices and the inflection and the talking a little bit over each other, the interaction and the laughing and the jokes, like it blew my mind Like nothing I've ever seen Zero, I mean, it was just there. \n\nEvery time I forward it to somebody, they're literally like you can't believe that this is AI, that this is not two humans talking right now and I just think I also read that, on the scale of things, we are at level two right now, on our way to level five, which is the AGI, you know, pinnacle or whatever, the super intelligence. \n\nDan: So if you imagine that, you know how can I bring that up, Because I'm a firm, complete, total non-believer that there's such a thing as AGI. Okay, and the reason is because all intelligence is specific, it's all specific and there is. I mean, we've already created the agi. It's called god, you know, and it's been around for a long time yeah, no, but the whole point is not. I mean it would be meaningless because nobody would use AGI. \n\nDean: What does AGI stand for? \n\nDan: Well, it's Artificial General Intelligence. General Intelligence yeah right, yeah, but there is no general intelligence, there's just specific intelligence. It's just your interaction with something which stimulates your intelligence. \n\nDean: You know, that's it, I mean. \n\nDan: I have squirrels in the yard. You know, in Toronto I'm in Chicago today, but in Toronto we've got squirrels, we've got lots of oak trees and I just watch them. And you know, when it comes to acorns, my intelligence doesn't compare to what a squirrel can do with acorns. You know. They can go up the tree, they can shake a branch. Ten acorns come down. They come down, they gather them up. They got ten different. I have no comprehension how they do what they do. That's specific intelligence. \n\nDean: Squirrel has specific intelligence. \n\nDan: The oak trees have intelligence, no-transcript thing by talking yes, yeah anyway, but I love you know, and I think the terms of you know of applying iq to artificial intelligence is kind of meaningless Right. Because it's somehow that our intelligence and computer intelligence is the same thing going on, and I just don't think it is. Yeah, I think it's completely different. I think it's really fast computing. \n\nDean: Yes, yeah. \n\nDan: So that's my take on it. \n\nDean: Yeah, so that's my take on it, yeah, but if that's, I mean if you, there's something happening and it is evolving, and we're two, you know, a month shy, six weeks shy, of it being two years old since chat GPT first came on the scene in November of 22. And so you'd think, if, just for context, if whatever level of amazement we're at right now is a two on a scale of five, whether we're calling five AGI or whatever, it is just the advance, the directional advance, is pretty, as they say, indistinguishable from magic you know. \n\nDan: Yeah, question is what are you doing? What are you using it for? That's my question. \n\nDean: I don't know what I'm using it for, like I'm really not. You know, that's the. I just have conversations sometimes with my juniper voice and I just recently switched to a British lady. You can switch the voices that you have the conversations with and I'm just kind of sitting with in my mind here. I think we're all woefully under utilizing it. You know like I think we're just to know, yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah Well, I don't think we're underusing that, we just haven't found the use for it yeah, that's true. Well, that's true, that's true it's like there's some ideal use of it, but there isn't any ideal use search, too. \n\nDean: I just look at it as like what would I, how would I treat it or what would I do if I personified it? You know, like I've been imagining Juniper being a real person and you know sitting beside me. \n\nDan: Let's take the eight profit activators. Activators yeah. So, activators you've done complete walkthroughs of each of the activators. \n\nDean: Yes, I have. \n\nDan: Okay, take activator number one. What's activator number one? \n\nDean: Select single target market Okay. \n\nDan: Run it through Google Notebook and see what conversation comes out of it. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: Okay, and then what do you learn? Dean Jackson, creator of the first, you know, the first activator. What are you learning there? My feeling is the first time you do it, you'll see all. I guess. \n\nDean: If I imagine that the capability of me, you know, documenting, like you know you've heard the things of, you know like is everything you know written down somewhere. That's really what it comes down to right is if I were to convey, If I were to convey everything that I know about the, about the profit activators, into this language model, what I would love for it to be able to you know, take, do what I do in a way that it's doing the question asking. You know, like I think most of the things that I've seen so far are training up a language model, like loading up a language model but then saying isn't this great, Go ahead, ask it anything, but you've got to you and I talked about that. You've got to have batteries included. You know, you've got to be the one that now you're limited by your, your ability to ask the right questions, to draw it out, and I think it would be infinitely more valuable if we could train it to ask you questions, like I would ask you questions to see where the opportunity is within the profit activator. \n\nSo I have a thing that I do called a 50-minute marketing sprint, and I basically go through the eight profit activators before, during, after we overlay it on your business and I teach people how to kind of think, how to divide their business into those categories, how to recognize what the driving you know metrics are for each of those and see where the opportunity is. \n\nAnd then, once you know, even with the we have the profit activator score card, using your scorecard model of the you know each of the eight that I think being able to interpret what somebody needs from that like if somebody's a four on profit activator number two, which is compel prospects to call you but they want to be a 12, that would be intelligent enough to say hey, Dan, it looks like you are. Say hey, Dan, it looks like you are. I mean, what we always say to people with the scorecards is you know, I'm looking for people who are clear on Profit Activator 1. They know who they want to attract and they're high on Profit Activator 5, which is deliver a dream come true experience for your prospects. But then they dip down in Profit Activator 2 and Profit Activator 4, which are, you know, compel your prospects to call you and make compelling offers. So I can help people bridge that gap If you know who you want and you can get them great results. Let's do this, let's take some, let's see how we can compel people to call you? \n\nDan: Yeah, I think you're a week away. What I mean? A week away, actually two weeks. We're traveling next Sunday, but two weeks away, I think you're two weeks away from us having a conversation about your first experience of taking you know, creating a transcript for yourself and you can just walk through Profit Activator number one and then it's transcribed and then feed it into the notebook and it'll take it apart and create a conversation between two people. \n\nAnd then you get the recording back and you listen to it and it will take it apart and create a conversation between two people. And then you get the recording back and you listen to it. I bet you'll be very what I would say stimulated by the conversation that comes out and you'll learn three or four new things about how to explain profit activator number one. \n\nDean: It's crazy. \n\nDan: I mean, we did, I'm just telling you how I would approach it, and Hamish McDonald is doing it. I'm going to ask him. The book that we're writing right now, the first chapter, we have the transcript from it the recording. He'll just run it through and send me back for the recording. Okay, and see, I've got a smart human between me and the technology I'm just pointing out my approach to technology period I always have a smart human between you and the technology, but I'll get back to recording and I can listen to it. \n\nOkay, and yeah, I love that. I think you'll be, I think you'll be stimulated, I think I'll be stimulated. We can have a nice conversation about what our experiences were. Yeah, We've got an assignment for the next podcast. \n\nDean: Wow, joe Polish and I, we did a Zoom this week with Cherie Dr Cherie Ong, joe's girlfriend, who's a vaginal plastic surgeon, and so we were talking about some marketing things for her and we went, so we did the Zoom. Joe had the honor transcript of the put it into that Google notebook. Transcript of the put it into that google notebook, and to hear this conversation about the conversation that we had was just, it was amazing. I mean, it really was. \n\nDan: Yeah, it was, it's just something yeah, yeah, I mean, I have about you know not what you're talking about, but a different ai experience is every day I have two or three things that just occur to me and where I might have gone to google before I go to perplexity yeah, because google is a search and google is a search engine and perplexity is an answer engine, and there's a big difference between answers and searches. \n\nOkay, yeah, and yeah, I did one, because I'm creating this new tool which is called. We haven't talked about that yet, but how you're always luckier is the name of the tool. \n\nOkay, so I put in a perplexity 10 significant ways that successful entrepreneurs consider themselves lucky. That's my prompt for and five seconds later I had yeah, and it was useful. It was very useful. Like you know, they're very alert and curious about possible opportunities. You know they're very alert and curious about possible opportunities. That's one way that you know that entrepreneurs prepare themselves for luck. Ok, they have connections with you know creative people. They have connections with creative. So there's 10 of them, you know 10 of them, and I said that's very gratifying. \n\nI found that very gratifying, and I also have the suspicion that my prompts are sort of unique, so I'm getting a whole set of unique answers back. Okay, so there was another one. There's this general narrative out there that, because of the political polarization in the United States, that we were on the brink of civil war, and I said perplexity, give me 10 reasons why, in the midst of this political polarization, in 2024, there won't be a second civil war. Five seconds later I got the answer and they were all very plausible. There's absolutely almost nothing in common between 2024 and 1860. You see, it's just news media people with probably too much college education creating new theories. \n\nAnd you realize that, when it comes to getting things done outside of government, the United States is basically going on as normal. It's just things are being sold, things are being created, things are being shipped new ideas are being explored and everything like that. So, I've got this relationship with perplexity, that any topic comes along, I says perplexity, tell me 10 things about this, and then I get my 10 things back. So I've got a new book. One of the new quarterly books is coming up. \n\nDean: It's the 10 reasons for anything. I like that. \n\nDan: Yeah, and that is that anything you can mention. There's probably 10 reasons for it Maybe 100 reasons, but there's at least 10 reasons. You know 10 reasons why Dean Jackson and Dan Sullivan like talking to each other. Right, I bet there's 10. \n\nDean: At least yeah. Did you ask the follow-up question? Dan? Did you ask the question of what are 10 reasons that there might be a civil war? \n\nDan: I would, but I'm not looking for that. \n\nDean: Right, right, right. I just wonder if they can build the argument the other way too. \n\nDan: Oh, sure, sure sure, although perplexity is kind of, I haven't noticed any real bias yet. I've been working with it for six months and I haven't noticed any bias. They simply answer your prompt on the basis of what you wanted to explore and it explores it. But I wouldn't be interested in 10 reasons why there might be a civil war. \n\nDean: Right but. \n\nDan: I think perplexity would come back and say I'm sorry, but my information doesn't allow me to actually explain that Right. Yeah, it does not compute. Yeah, and you know, a couple of times it's come back and say there just isn't enough bases to support. You know the answer that you're looking for. \n\nDean: Right, right, right. Do you use chat GPT for anything different than? \n\nDan: what you use. \n\nDean: Never used it oh okay so you use perplexity as the main thing right, that's it yeah. I'm a monogamous guy. \n\nDan: I'm a monogamous guy. You want to? \n\nDean: have that. \n\nDan: Why would I have two? \n\nDean: I mean, it's like having two wives. You want to grant someone a monopoly right, yeah, and then go deep with it. \n\nDan: Then get really good at that. One thing I'll use this. I'll use the Google notebook, but I won't be the one doing it. Somebody else is going to be doing it for me. \n\nDean: Yes, exactly Me too, that's, I've got Glenn doing that and that's really it's pretty amazing. We're right now on the thing of Okay, we have homework, we have homework. I'll get it done you get it done. Okay, and then? \n\nDan: we'll talk about our. We'll talk about our results. \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: We'll have as a matter of fact fact, we'll get them back and you can send me yours and I'll send you. Know, you just send the link and I'll send the link to mine and you can. Yes, I'll listen to yours, you'll listen to mine, and then we'll have a roaring conversation now. \n\nDean: So what was the question? You wanted me to ask it again. So I'm feeding in Profit Activator 1 and then just seeing what the conversation is. \n\nDan: Right yeah. What is the Google notebook conversation related to? \n\nDean: I think what I'll do is I'll do the 50-minute marketing sprint and see what they say. I think that'll be amazing, yes. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: That's pretty smart, you know I think it's not named properly. \n\nDan: Google Notebook. I don't think it's named properly. It should be called the eavesdropping. \n\nDean: Yes, exactly. \n\nDan: No, I mean, wouldn't you like over here two people talking about Dean Jackson's? \n\nDean: This is what's amazing is to hear them. \n\nDan: You're eavesdropping on two very positive people talking in an excited way about your thinking. I mean, who wouldn't want to eavesdrop on that? \n\nDean: Yeah, so, joe, I loaded up episode one of the I Love Marketing podcast and it came back. I mean it was so great to tell the. It was telling the story, so we do a deep dive. It's a conversation between two giants in the marketing world. Dean and Joe, two giants in the marketing world Dean and Joe and they're telling the stories about how they got started and how their earliest jobs really led the foundation. I mean to hear these things talking about it like they're just kind of enthusiastically. \n\nDan: You know, can I tell you something? I think this is the end of social media at the intelligent level, the whole point of social media from the standpoint of Mark Zuckerberg, or anybody else that they've got your attention. \n\nThis takes your attention away from them. This takes your attention away from them. This takes your attention away from them. Yeah, I mean, I've never been on social media, but I have observed that you're giving your attention away to somebody else. Okay, yes, yes, and with that, you're returning your attention to what's interesting to you. Yeah, you've just created something that's unique, okay. \n\nSo, Dean takes Profit Activator number one, puts it into Google Notebook Okay, and it comes back with a totally uniquely produced conversation between two AI voices, strictly on Dean's thinking. My feeling is you've returned your attention. I think you've returned your attention to yourself. \n\nDean: I think you're right and it's funny because we're going to take that now, take that conversation that they had and put it through another AI that will create supporting video. \n\nI've had this idea of doing the I Love Marketing podcast, which was my idea was to go back to the first 100 episodes and do a commentary on them, but I think that it might be fascinating to do you know, I love marketing AI to have the Google notebook do their summary on each of the first 100 episodes. It really is a really good 10 minute. 10 minute deep dive, as they say. \n\nDan: Yeah, well, it's you know, to me it's really but I think what if you choose to apply this in a way that's beneficial to yourself? \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: I think you want your own thinking coming back at you, being discussed by two other people. \n\nDean: Yeah that's. I love that. I really do. Like you're absolutely right, it's so. Yeah, it's a moving sidewalk for sure. Like it's definitely a catalyst for connective thinking, you know, to then have a conversation, yeah yeah, but anyway, it's really. \n\nDan: I think it's really neat. You know, one thing that really occurs to me is the wow factor that everybody's talking about. Gee, it's just like human with a high IQ. No, it isn't. It's just a further advancement of technology. \n\nDean: That's all it is. We've been living this. \n\nDan: We've been living this. Humans have been living this forever. This is just a new extension of technology. \n\nDean: It isn't magical. \n\nDan: It isn't human, you know, it's just technological. I had a lot of religion when I was a kid and I can tell when other people are starting to get religious with technology. \n\nDean: Uh-huh right. \n\nDan: I said, you know, when people don't have religion as children, they tend to try to create it out of other experience when they get older. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's true. So you have a. You got a big week this week coming. \n\nDan: No, I just have one. I have a free zone on. Tuesday and I'm starting my next. I'm just starting my next round of connector calls. \n\nDean: Okay, yeah, I'll have to look at the calendar when our next connector call is and get on board. \n\nDan: Well, not free zone, but I have a 10 times connector call at 1030 your time tomorrow morning. Oh, okay, yeah. And this is where I'm testing out strengthening your strengths for the first time. \n\nDean: Okay, oh, that's why it's hot off the press. Well, I mean I. There's a greater than zero percent chance that I might fly up to chicago for to get out of here. \n\nDan: So we'll see when's it supposed to hit tampa? \n\nDean: well, tuesday, wednesday, will be the peak fall, so we'll see it it supposed to hit Tampa. When's it supposed to hit Tampa? Well, tuesday, wednesday will be the peak fall, so we'll see it's supposed to. You know, form more, get more structure and stuff today, so they'll see what the expected path is and stuff. It could go further north or south, or it could fizzle out. You never know. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah. The news media loves this stuff, you know. So drama, you know, and they've got a narrative going now. These are the worst hurricanes in American history. I said no, they're just hitting more populated areas. \n\nDean: Oh man Well now you know the whole conspiracy, now that is, that was enhanced hurricane, that they manipulated the weather, dan, and pushed it yeah, to North Carolina because they want. It just so happens that all these mountain towns. \n\nDan: They want a lot of people not voting Republican. \n\nDean: Well, they want the lithium underneath there. The mountain areas there sit on the highest concentrations of lithium in the world. \n\nDan: We're talking real conspiracy here. \n\nDean: Oh, yeah, yeah, no, that's exactly it. We're talking about like weaponized weather, to shut down, to make Asheville the next smart city. \n\nDan: And I'll tell you something that there is actually something unique about North Carolina, that the finest quartz in the world that go into microchips, the finest quartz comes from one town in North Carolina. \n\nDean: Yeah, I mean in the world. \n\nDan: I'm talking. Well, this is not lithium, it's quartz, I mean maybe there's also lithium there, it's the same thing, yeah. But that town's been going for 30, 40 years, you know and everything else else. But it's really interesting that the finest grade quartz just comes from a mountain in one little town in north carolina, I think that's an interesting fact, it's proof of rule number three that's so funny, it's true. Number three is rule number three is there are no rules, no rules, no. Life's not fair. \n\nDean: Life's not fair, right, sorry, right. Everything is made up, nobody's in charge and life isn't fair, that's right. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, you get those down pat and you know, you know, and life gets real simple. \n\nDean: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. I love it simple. \n\nDan: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely I love it. Do you know the american one dollar bill, the left hand side of the american, backside you? Know, it's got the pyramid. Huh got one there I don't have paper bill I don't know. \n\nDean: I don't think I have paper bill. No, I don't have one. \n\nDan: I have lots. I have ATMs in my closet. I have ATMs in shoe boxes. I've got ATMs in the freezer compartment. I always have cash, but that's very interesting. But you see the pyramid there. That's the three rules. \n\nDean: Oh, it's made up. \n\nDan: Everything's made up. Everything's made up. That's one side of the pyramid. The other side to that second side, nobody's in charge. And number three is life's not fair. \n\nDean: And if you get that, you're a happy American. And the I is. We're always watching. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, see if you've been good or bad, that's exactly right. \n\nDean: That's exactly right, yeah. \n\nDan: I love it Well anyway, we both have assignments. \n\nDean: I'm excited about that. \n\nDan: First thing tomorrow morning and it'll be really interesting. But I'll just go to Hamish, because Hamish is playing with it already and it's really great. And yeah, this is a neat site. We can have our listeners out there do the same thing, you know. \n\nDean: I love it. \n\nDan: I'm going to go to Perplexity and say tell me the 10 most important things about Google Notebook. Oh, very good yeah I like that Because I bet perplexity has a better notion of what it does than Google does. \n\nDean: I wonder if perplexity I'm going to ask perplexity give me the top 10 things or top 10 ways I should be using you, the top 10 ways you could be useful to me. \n\nDan: I asked it, the R factor question, you know the perplexity. \n\nI said perplexity if we were having this discussion three years from today and you're looking back over the three years, what has to happen for you to feel happy with your progress? Okay, okay. Five seconds later I had it Okay. And then I said what are the 10 biggest obstacles to you being happy with your progress? And then it said at the end if I solve these 10, if I overcome these 10 biggest obstacles, I'll be very happy with my progress. Obstacles I'll be very happy with my progress. That was a good answer. \n\nDean: That was a good answer. Yeah, that's great, I'm going to do that. That's funny. I'm going to see what they say. Well, so next week you're traveling, and then so two weeks. \n\nDan: Yeah, we're up to the cottage for Thanksgiving, which is and so, but we go up on Thursday, we have the big dinner on Saturday night and Babs and I come back to the city on Sunday. \n\nDean: Drive back on Sunday. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, so Monday. \n\nDan: Monday's the holiday, but right, yep. So two, two, two Sundays. Yeah, all right, you got homework I got homework, got homework, absolutely I'll talk to you soon, okay, bye. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, I share my experiences living in hurricane-prone areas, focusing on the looming threat of Hurricane Milton in Florida. We delve into how such natural disasters test our resilience, drawing parallels with historical floods in Ohio. These experiences serve as a backdrop for discussing the broader theme of adaptation and change.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe explore the Strategic Coach framework\u0026#39;s Free Zone concept, which redefines retirement as a time for continuous growth, fueled by innovation and technology. I express skepticism about Artificial General Intelligence, instead advocating for real-world applications of AI that enhance learning and productivity.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe episode also dives into marketing strategies in the digital age, highlighting the Profit Activator Scorecard and AI tools like Perplexity and Google\u0026#39;s Notebook. These tools help us identify gaps and enrich our marketing approaches, as illustrated through collaborations with Joe Polish and Dr. Cherie Ong.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOur discussion extends to AI\u0026#39;s role in creative and analytical tasks, showcasing how tools like Perplexity can generate insights and drive innovative conversations. We reflect on how these technologies can transform marketing strategies and enhance our understanding of complex topics.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul style=\"list-style-type: circle;\"\u003e\n\u003c/center\u003e\n \u003cli\u003eWe discuss the impact of hurricanes and tornadoes, focusing on Hurricane Milton's impending threat to Florida, and share personal experiences living in hurricane-prone areas.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe reflect on the resilience required to recover from natural disasters, drawing parallels to historical floods in Ohio and emphasizing how modern media amplifies the perception of storm severity.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eDevlin describes the Strategic Coach framework's Free Zone concept, highlighting its role in extending entrepreneurial lifetimes and promoting continuous personal and team development.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe express skepticism about Artificial General Intelligence, advocating instead for the use of AI in specific, real-world applications to drive innovation and growth.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eStuart explores the Profit Activator Scorecard, detailing how to leverage its results to enhance marketing strategies and fill gaps in reaching target audiences.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe examine the application of AI tools like Perplexity and Google's Notebook in generating fresh perspectives and enriching marketing conversations.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eDevlin introduces a new AI tool, \"How You're Always Luckier,\" and discusses its use in generating insights into entrepreneurial luck and societal trends.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe compare the capabilities of AI tools like Perplexity and Google Notebook, highlighting their potential uses in strategic planning and productivity enhancement.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eStuart shares insights into using AI-generated conversations to gain new perspectives on marketing strategies, illustrating with examples from collaborations with Joe Polish and Dr. Cherie Ong.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe discuss personal plans and upcoming travel, setting homework assignments to further explore AI tools and reconnect in future episodes.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, well, well, didn\u0026#39;t even get to the course. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, Mr Jackson. How are you, sir? So you were lucky with that hurricane, but you may get the next one. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Holy cow, dan, this is exactly what I talk about with the week before we get the big red arrow, you know, the buzzsaw building in the Gulf and this one, if you take the track, of course, the cone, the probable cone right now and for anybody listening, we\u0026#39;re talking about what will become Hurricane Milton, right on the heels of Hurricane Helene, is projected to go right over Tampa, to go right over Tampa, and if you take the red line in the center of the cone, the projected path is literally about a mile from my house, right through the Four Seasons, valhalla. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, so, I don\u0026#39;t know. I may hightail it to Chicago or something. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You may have to move from one side of your garden to the other. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s right. No, this is. Yeah, this will be. This could be like direct path type of stuff. And, of course, the poor. You know people in Tampa and St Petersburg and Sarasota. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They got, they always get it worse, absolutely. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But this last one was, you know, crazy amounts of flooding, and that was not even that, was just the outskirts of a lane. This one is projected to make landfall right in Tampa. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So I don\u0026#39;t know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t know, but it\u0026#39;s good, you know, to know the. It\u0026#39;s good to know what\u0026#39;s there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and have forewarning. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, exactly, you\u0026#39;re on high ground in Florida. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, You\u0026#39;re on high ground in Florida. You\u0026#39;re at least 10 feet above sea level, aren\u0026#39;t you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I looked the other time, one of the times we were talking I looked and I\u0026#39;m actually at 150 feet above sea level, so like oh, you\u0026#39;re like on Mount Everest in Florida, that\u0026#39;s exactly right. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s exactly right. Still I may, it\u0026#39;s part of life though. You know, I mean, I tell people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s part of life. I remember growing up in Ohio. I was in the north of Ohio, but Ohio River comes under the entire state from east to west and they had tremendous floods and there were people in my first 18 years living at home with my parents. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI bet they got flooded out five, six times. You know where their houses would be gone and everything else. Yeah, you know, flood passes by, they rebuild and they go on with life and you know I mean the two things that the US Generally the US has great climate, has great weather. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But it\u0026#39;s got a couple of things though Storms from the Gulf of Mexico or from the ocean, you know, from the way of Bahamas. You know, like out in the it comes from the east to the west, but usually it comes from south to northeast. I guess this would be south to east-north-east. It kind of rises a bit after it goes through Tampa right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And the other thing is the tornadoes, which are largely unique to the United States. Largely unique to the United States, and it\u0026#39;s because of the warm Gulf Gulf of Mexico, cold north, coming from Canada, and then they collide and they start creating a circle. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then they hit the mountains on the west and then they start coming east and Ohio doesn\u0026#39;t get them that much. We never get the effects of the hurricanes. I mean by then it\u0026#39;s petered out by the time it gets up to Ohio but the tornadoes are different because it\u0026#39;s a flat, generally a flat geography in the north. It\u0026#39;s where two roads meet. That\u0026#39;s about six miles from where I grew up and they had like a church, a general store and a trailer park and three times when I was growing up the tornado hit the trailer park, didn\u0026#39;t hit the church, didn\u0026#39;t hit the general store. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOh, man Didn\u0026#39;t hit, the church didn\u0026#39;t hit the general story, oh man, and I said you know it\u0026#39;s like a red flag for a bull. You know I mean you\u0026#39;re just asking for trouble if you live in a trailer park, but I\u0026#39;m sure that you know people with manufactured homes really got a hard hit in North Carolina. Hard hit in North. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Carolina, I can\u0026#39;t even imagine, like Norman I mean yeah. Norman in South Carolina. Tech. That is the power company they\u0026#39;re said we\u0026#39;re estimating that power will be restored in four to five weeks. Yeah, I mean wild huh. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean so amazing, you know that\u0026#39;s. I just can\u0026#39;t even imagine like your whole, you know your whole uh town being cut off, like there\u0026#39;s some of those things in the mountain roads in north carolina. You know in the mountains there that the only way to get to them is through this one road going up around the mountain, and if that washes out which it has I just wonder like how long the how long it\u0026#39;s gonna take to rebuild everything it\u0026#39;s gonna take a long time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, some of it, not at all, probably. I mean, there\u0026#39;s probably some small hamlets that they just leave, you know they\u0026#39;ll just leave you know anyway, but anyway it\u0026#39;s really interesting the I mean every once in a while you get a really severe storm, which this one was. But you know, it\u0026#39;s how people don\u0026#39;t really understand population, that I mean. There were worse storms as far as people dying in the early part of the 20th century. Far more people got killed. I think there was a famous one in Texas, which. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI think it was a couple of thousand people died. You know this one. But people don\u0026#39;t realize. When there\u0026#39;s a lot more people and a lot more houses, the storm seems more severe, because there\u0026#39;s more damage, there\u0026#39;s, you know, more wreckage, and plus there\u0026#39;s television and there\u0026#39;s well, that\u0026#39;s what they\u0026#39;re saying. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Back in a hundred years ago, you had to depend on somebody\u0026#39;s big toe swelling to get there\u0026#39;s a storm coming yeah, there was a tornado. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think there was a tornado, I think it was in the 20s, 1920s and it went over three states. I think it\u0026#39;s sort of like Nebraska, that area, you know, the real. Midwest, but it was clocked at close to 80 miles an hour and it stayed on the ground for three states. It didn\u0026#39;t jump up, it just stayed on the and it really. I mean it just destroyed towns in its path and the way they know how fast it was going was the report in from the telegraph offices as it was going north. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, funny, as long as you weren\u0026#39;t there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, holy cow Anyway. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I was just working on a new thinking tool. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;d like to hear all about that, yeah and actually two of them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I finished one and I\u0026#39;m starting another one today, and the first tool is called Strengthening your Strengths, and I happen to think that this is the number one entrepreneurial skill. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Tell me all about it. Strengthening your strength sounds like something I would be completely interested in doing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, the other one\u0026#39;s called how you\u0026#39;re always luckier. Yeah, okay, so you got two tools. You got two tools in mind. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, we\u0026#39;re going to talk about strengthening your strength. Yeah, the two tools in mind, I\u0026#39;ve got them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Talk about strengthening your strength, yeah, and then you categorize them what\u0026#39;s your best strength right now? In other words, if you took a look at where you are right now, what\u0026#39;s your best strength? And so mine, the number one, is just my teamwork with bats. You know, which goes back 40 years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat\u0026#39;s my number one strength, okay. Number two is the team that we have our unique ability team, and number three is the entrepreneurs that I get to work with. Yeah, okay, and so, as you can see the way I\u0026#39;m laying it out, it\u0026#39;s me and something outside of me. My biggest strength is that I\u0026#39;m 50% of the deal but there\u0026#39;s another 50% of Babs in the team. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I have others, I have others, but those would be the top three. And then over on the right-hand side, is 12 strengthening. In other words, which are the ones that you would strengthen over the next 12 months? It\u0026#39;s very interesting. It\u0026#39;s a very interesting. The insights that come out. You know, because it\u0026#39;s your strengths, are far more than you. Your strength is your connection to other, in collaboration with other people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, got it, I do. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And then you know there\u0026#39;s a lot of thinking, there\u0026#39;s insights. You brainstorm in both of them and then you pick the top. You pick the top three. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So how would you think about the? How would you think about your 12 month improvement in your strength of collaboration with? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e BabAPS yeah. So, the big thing right now is our clinics. You know, I mean it\u0026#39;s a great teamwork and we want it to last a lot longer into the future. So the work that we do with David Hasse and Nashville will be going down in a couple of weeks. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Your joint longevity project right? Yeah, Well, he\u0026#39;s got. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, I mean, he\u0026#39;s got the full medical every 90 days. And then what needs to be adjusted. You know what\u0026#39;s really working, what\u0026#39;s not really working. So we get a full blood panel, top to bottom, for every 90 days. And then he creates a whole supplement things we take four times a day. And there\u0026#39;s all sorts of adjustments every 90 days. And then the second one is the clinic in Buenos Aires that we will be going down again in November. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd that\u0026#39;s the stem cells. So yeah, so I mean we\u0026#39;re good with each other on all levels, but it\u0026#39;s keeping both of us healthy and fit. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, keeping the racehorse healthy right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Keeping the races coming yeah exactly Right, right, right yeah. And then the team, the big thing is going to. We\u0026#39;re going to make the four by four tool. So we just created the new book which you got. You came to your free zone, so casting that hiring, and we\u0026#39;re going to make it every quarter. Every team member upgrades their own 4x4 and talks with their team about it, and the team leaders talk to Babs about it what they\u0026#39;re doing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd just do this and get better at it, quarter by quarter, and I think that\u0026#39;s going to really strengthen, really strengthen. You know, I mean our main capability and the third one with the entrepreneurs. The big thing my goal 20 years in the future is that the entire strategic coach program, all three levels, is in fact the free zone, and what we\u0026#39;re doing now is that we\u0026#39;re showing that every tool say, for example, the very first tool when people start coach is the lifetime extender, and that gives you a free zone, because the moment that you extend your life and have 20, 30, 50 extra years you weren\u0026#39;t planning on. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYes, yeah, but the way you\u0026#39;re looking at it is a free zone. Nobody else is looking at it this way and I already have proof after 30 years. So the lifetime extender has been there for 30 years, so the lifetime extender has been there for 30 years and I have proof now that I would say, on average, entrepreneurs are extending their working lifetime by probably 15 years as a result of that thinking exercise. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, you know where they might be checking out at 60 or 65, know where they might be checking out at 60 or 65. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh, they\u0026#39;re pushing through to 80. So, yeah, it\u0026#39;s very, it\u0026#39;s really interesting to see just you know, being surrounded by your people in in strategic coach specifically, that are nobody\u0026#39;s thinking about retirement, nobody\u0026#39;s thinking about retirement, nobody\u0026#39;s thinking about winding down or anything. You know, I think that\u0026#39;s all part of you being the lead. You know the lead example the lead dog, the lead dog, exactly Moving into your ninth decade here with an aspiration to outperform your 70s, which was your greatest decade right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So that\u0026#39;s on every level. Yeah, I would say, if you took any entrepreneurial gathering in the world, you know other programs or other associations and had the sort of the demographic mix that\u0026#39;s the same as strategic coach, in other words, from, generally speaking, from your 30s to your 60s, generally, I mean that\u0026#39;s where the majority of our clients would be. Strategic coach would be the only one where the word retirement is not used. Nobody ever talks about retirement Right exactly, and that\u0026#39;s a free zone? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, for sure. It\u0026#39;s so great to watch too, to see just your momentum. I always tell you too, but I always tell people you\u0026#39;re like the ghost of Christmas. Future 22 years ahead of me the ghost of Christmas future 22 years ahead of me, you know it\u0026#39;s like you know, because I just love. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s so inspiring to me to see that you know, because a lot of times you start to think, okay, I\u0026#39;m 58 now and you know 60 is approaching, but then that\u0026#39;s still. You know even the conversations that we\u0026#39;ve had about the. You know 60s approaching, but then that\u0026#39;s still. You know even the conversations that we\u0026#39;ve had about the. You know 20 years now, if you take a 25 year framework and start another at 60, kind of thing, that\u0026#39;s yeah, it\u0026#39;s wide open fields, you know, and where we\u0026#39;re where we are now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWho even knows? I had my mind blown the other day. I don\u0026#39;t know whether you\u0026#39;ve seen or heard any examples of the Google Notebook. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, a couple of our team members are working with it. I mean, they introduced it to me, I didn\u0026#39;t introduce it to them. Yeah, I think it\u0026#39;s. You know, I haven\u0026#39;t tried it yet, but I think within the next quarter I will. I\u0026#39;ll try it and it seems to me that it\u0026#39;s a lot better format than having a chat bot that you ask questions you ask questions for sure. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean I heard for sure. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean, I heard, you know, I heard an example where they were taking apart, you know, a topic and they were just talking to each other and I found it more informative and more, what I would say stimulating to listen to the back and forth conversation than if I was asking a question or it was asking me a question. I just think it\u0026#39;s a better format for bringing out the essence of three topic. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And Dan. The realness of the voices and the inflection and the talking a little bit over each other, the interaction and the laughing and the jokes, like it blew my mind Like nothing I\u0026#39;ve ever seen Zero, I mean, it was just there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eEvery time I forward it to somebody, they\u0026#39;re literally like you can\u0026#39;t believe that this is AI, that this is not two humans talking right now and I just think I also read that, on the scale of things, we are at level two right now, on our way to level five, which is the AGI, you know, pinnacle or whatever, the super intelligence. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So if you imagine that, you know how can I bring that up, Because I\u0026#39;m a firm, complete, total non-believer that there\u0026#39;s such a thing as AGI. Okay, and the reason is because all intelligence is specific, it\u0026#39;s all specific and there is. I mean, we\u0026#39;ve already created the agi. It\u0026#39;s called god, you know, and it\u0026#39;s been around for a long time yeah, no, but the whole point is not. I mean it would be meaningless because nobody would use AGI. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e What does AGI stand for? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it\u0026#39;s Artificial General Intelligence. General Intelligence yeah right, yeah, but there is no general intelligence, there\u0026#39;s just specific intelligence. It\u0026#39;s just your interaction with something which stimulates your intelligence. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, that\u0026#39;s it, I mean. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I have squirrels in the yard. You know, in Toronto I\u0026#39;m in Chicago today, but in Toronto we\u0026#39;ve got squirrels, we\u0026#39;ve got lots of oak trees and I just watch them. And you know, when it comes to acorns, my intelligence doesn\u0026#39;t compare to what a squirrel can do with acorns. You know. They can go up the tree, they can shake a branch. Ten acorns come down. They come down, they gather them up. They got ten different. I have no comprehension how they do what they do. That\u0026#39;s specific intelligence. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Squirrel has specific intelligence. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The oak trees have intelligence, no-transcript thing by talking yes, yeah anyway, but I love you know, and I think the terms of you know of applying iq to artificial intelligence is kind of meaningless Right. Because it\u0026#39;s somehow that our intelligence and computer intelligence is the same thing going on, and I just don\u0026#39;t think it is. Yeah, I think it\u0026#39;s completely different. I think it\u0026#39;s really fast computing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So that\u0026#39;s my take on it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so that\u0026#39;s my take on it, yeah, but if that\u0026#39;s, I mean if you, there\u0026#39;s something happening and it is evolving, and we\u0026#39;re two, you know, a month shy, six weeks shy, of it being two years old since chat GPT first came on the scene in November of 22. And so you\u0026#39;d think, if, just for context, if whatever level of amazement we\u0026#39;re at right now is a two on a scale of five, whether we\u0026#39;re calling five AGI or whatever, it is just the advance, the directional advance, is pretty, as they say, indistinguishable from magic you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, question is what are you doing? What are you using it for? That\u0026#39;s my question. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t know what I\u0026#39;m using it for, like I\u0026#39;m really not. You know, that\u0026#39;s the. I just have conversations sometimes with my juniper voice and I just recently switched to a British lady. You can switch the voices that you have the conversations with and I\u0026#39;m just kind of sitting with in my mind here. I think we\u0026#39;re all woefully under utilizing it. You know like I think we\u0026#39;re just to know, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah Well, I don\u0026#39;t think we\u0026#39;re underusing that, we just haven\u0026#39;t found the use for it yeah, that\u0026#39;s true. Well, that\u0026#39;s true, that\u0026#39;s true it\u0026#39;s like there\u0026#39;s some ideal use of it, but there isn\u0026#39;t any ideal use search, too. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I just look at it as like what would I, how would I treat it or what would I do if I personified it? You know, like I\u0026#39;ve been imagining Juniper being a real person and you know sitting beside me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Let\u0026#39;s take the eight profit activators. Activators yeah. So, activators you\u0026#39;ve done complete walkthroughs of each of the activators. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I have. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, take activator number one. What\u0026#39;s activator number one? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Select single target market Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Run it through Google Notebook and see what conversation comes out of it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, and then what do you learn? Dean Jackson, creator of the first, you know, the first activator. What are you learning there? My feeling is the first time you do it, you\u0026#39;ll see all. I guess. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e If I imagine that the capability of me, you know, documenting, like you know you\u0026#39;ve heard the things of, you know like is everything you know written down somewhere. That\u0026#39;s really what it comes down to right is if I were to convey, If I were to convey everything that I know about the, about the profit activators, into this language model, what I would love for it to be able to you know, take, do what I do in a way that it\u0026#39;s doing the question asking. You know, like I think most of the things that I\u0026#39;ve seen so far are training up a language model, like loading up a language model but then saying isn\u0026#39;t this great, Go ahead, ask it anything, but you\u0026#39;ve got to you and I talked about that. You\u0026#39;ve got to have batteries included. You know, you\u0026#39;ve got to be the one that now you\u0026#39;re limited by your, your ability to ask the right questions, to draw it out, and I think it would be infinitely more valuable if we could train it to ask you questions, like I would ask you questions to see where the opportunity is within the profit activator. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo I have a thing that I do called a 50-minute marketing sprint, and I basically go through the eight profit activators before, during, after we overlay it on your business and I teach people how to kind of think, how to divide their business into those categories, how to recognize what the driving you know metrics are for each of those and see where the opportunity is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then, once you know, even with the we have the profit activator score card, using your scorecard model of the you know each of the eight that I think being able to interpret what somebody needs from that like if somebody\u0026#39;s a four on profit activator number two, which is compel prospects to call you but they want to be a 12, that would be intelligent enough to say hey, Dan, it looks like you are. Say hey, Dan, it looks like you are. I mean, what we always say to people with the scorecards is you know, I\u0026#39;m looking for people who are clear on Profit Activator 1. They know who they want to attract and they\u0026#39;re high on Profit Activator 5, which is deliver a dream come true experience for your prospects. But then they dip down in Profit Activator 2 and Profit Activator 4, which are, you know, compel your prospects to call you and make compelling offers. So I can help people bridge that gap If you know who you want and you can get them great results. Let\u0026#39;s do this, let\u0026#39;s take some, let\u0026#39;s see how we can compel people to call you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think you\u0026#39;re a week away. What I mean? A week away, actually two weeks. We\u0026#39;re traveling next Sunday, but two weeks away, I think you\u0026#39;re two weeks away from us having a conversation about your first experience of taking you know, creating a transcript for yourself and you can just walk through Profit Activator number one and then it\u0026#39;s transcribed and then feed it into the notebook and it\u0026#39;ll take it apart and create a conversation between two people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then you get the recording back and you listen to it and it will take it apart and create a conversation between two people. And then you get the recording back and you listen to it. I bet you\u0026#39;ll be very what I would say stimulated by the conversation that comes out and you\u0026#39;ll learn three or four new things about how to explain profit activator number one. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s crazy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, we did, I\u0026#39;m just telling you how I would approach it, and Hamish McDonald is doing it. I\u0026#39;m going to ask him. The book that we\u0026#39;re writing right now, the first chapter, we have the transcript from it the recording. He\u0026#39;ll just run it through and send me back for the recording. Okay, and see, I\u0026#39;ve got a smart human between me and the technology I\u0026#39;m just pointing out my approach to technology period I always have a smart human between you and the technology, but I\u0026#39;ll get back to recording and I can listen to it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOkay, and yeah, I love that. I think you\u0026#39;ll be, I think you\u0026#39;ll be stimulated, I think I\u0026#39;ll be stimulated. We can have a nice conversation about what our experiences were. Yeah, We\u0026#39;ve got an assignment for the next podcast. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow, joe Polish and I, we did a Zoom this week with Cherie Dr Cherie Ong, joe\u0026#39;s girlfriend, who\u0026#39;s a vaginal plastic surgeon, and so we were talking about some marketing things for her and we went, so we did the Zoom. Joe had the honor transcript of the put it into that Google notebook. Transcript of the put it into that google notebook, and to hear this conversation about the conversation that we had was just, it was amazing. I mean, it really was. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it was, it\u0026#39;s just something yeah, yeah, I mean, I have about you know not what you\u0026#39;re talking about, but a different ai experience is every day I have two or three things that just occur to me and where I might have gone to google before I go to perplexity yeah, because google is a search and google is a search engine and perplexity is an answer engine, and there\u0026#39;s a big difference between answers and searches. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOkay, yeah, and yeah, I did one, because I\u0026#39;m creating this new tool which is called. We haven\u0026#39;t talked about that yet, but how you\u0026#39;re always luckier is the name of the tool. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOkay, so I put in a perplexity 10 significant ways that successful entrepreneurs consider themselves lucky. That\u0026#39;s my prompt for and five seconds later I had yeah, and it was useful. It was very useful. Like you know, they\u0026#39;re very alert and curious about possible opportunities. You know they\u0026#39;re very alert and curious about possible opportunities. That\u0026#39;s one way that you know that entrepreneurs prepare themselves for luck. Ok, they have connections with you know creative people. They have connections with creative. So there\u0026#39;s 10 of them, you know 10 of them, and I said that\u0026#39;s very gratifying. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI found that very gratifying, and I also have the suspicion that my prompts are sort of unique, so I\u0026#39;m getting a whole set of unique answers back. Okay, so there was another one. There\u0026#39;s this general narrative out there that, because of the political polarization in the United States, that we were on the brink of civil war, and I said perplexity, give me 10 reasons why, in the midst of this political polarization, in 2024, there won\u0026#39;t be a second civil war. Five seconds later I got the answer and they were all very plausible. There\u0026#39;s absolutely almost nothing in common between 2024 and 1860. You see, it\u0026#39;s just news media people with probably too much college education creating new theories. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd you realize that, when it comes to getting things done outside of government, the United States is basically going on as normal. It\u0026#39;s just things are being sold, things are being created, things are being shipped new ideas are being explored and everything like that. So, I\u0026#39;ve got this relationship with perplexity, that any topic comes along, I says perplexity, tell me 10 things about this, and then I get my 10 things back. So I\u0026#39;ve got a new book. One of the new quarterly books is coming up. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s the 10 reasons for anything. I like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and that is that anything you can mention. There\u0026#39;s probably 10 reasons for it Maybe 100 reasons, but there\u0026#39;s at least 10 reasons. You know 10 reasons why Dean Jackson and Dan Sullivan like talking to each other. Right, I bet there\u0026#39;s 10. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e At least yeah. Did you ask the follow-up question? Dan? Did you ask the question of what are 10 reasons that there might be a civil war? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I would, but I\u0026#39;m not looking for that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, right, right. I just wonder if they can build the argument the other way too. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, sure, sure sure, although perplexity is kind of, I haven\u0026#39;t noticed any real bias yet. I\u0026#39;ve been working with it for six months and I haven\u0026#39;t noticed any bias. They simply answer your prompt on the basis of what you wanted to explore and it explores it. But I wouldn\u0026#39;t be interested in 10 reasons why there might be a civil war. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right but. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think perplexity would come back and say I\u0026#39;m sorry, but my information doesn\u0026#39;t allow me to actually explain that Right. Yeah, it does not compute. Yeah, and you know, a couple of times it\u0026#39;s come back and say there just isn\u0026#39;t enough bases to support. You know the answer that you\u0026#39;re looking for. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, right, right. Do you use chat GPT for anything different than? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e what you use. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Never used it oh okay so you use perplexity as the main thing right, that\u0026#39;s it yeah. I\u0026#39;m a monogamous guy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m a monogamous guy. You want to? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e have that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Why would I have two? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, it\u0026#39;s like having two wives. You want to grant someone a monopoly right, yeah, and then go deep with it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Then get really good at that. One thing I\u0026#39;ll use this. I\u0026#39;ll use the Google notebook, but I won\u0026#39;t be the one doing it. Somebody else is going to be doing it for me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, exactly Me too, that\u0026#39;s, I\u0026#39;ve got Glenn doing that and that\u0026#39;s really it\u0026#39;s pretty amazing. We\u0026#39;re right now on the thing of Okay, we have homework, we have homework. I\u0026#39;ll get it done you get it done. Okay, and then? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e we\u0026#39;ll talk about our. We\u0026#39;ll talk about our results. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We\u0026#39;ll have as a matter of fact fact, we\u0026#39;ll get them back and you can send me yours and I\u0026#39;ll send you. Know, you just send the link and I\u0026#39;ll send the link to mine and you can. Yes, I\u0026#39;ll listen to yours, you\u0026#39;ll listen to mine, and then we\u0026#39;ll have a roaring conversation now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So what was the question? You wanted me to ask it again. So I\u0026#39;m feeding in Profit Activator 1 and then just seeing what the conversation is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right yeah. What is the Google notebook conversation related to? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think what I\u0026#39;ll do is I\u0026#39;ll do the 50-minute marketing sprint and see what they say. I think that\u0026#39;ll be amazing, yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s pretty smart, you know I think it\u0026#39;s not named properly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Google Notebook. I don\u0026#39;t think it\u0026#39;s named properly. It should be called the eavesdropping. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I mean, wouldn\u0026#39;t you like over here two people talking about Dean Jackson\u0026#39;s? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e This is what\u0026#39;s amazing is to hear them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You\u0026#39;re eavesdropping on two very positive people talking in an excited way about your thinking. I mean, who wouldn\u0026#39;t want to eavesdrop on that? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so, joe, I loaded up episode one of the I Love Marketing podcast and it came back. I mean it was so great to tell the. It was telling the story, so we do a deep dive. It\u0026#39;s a conversation between two giants in the marketing world. Dean and Joe, two giants in the marketing world Dean and Joe and they\u0026#39;re telling the stories about how they got started and how their earliest jobs really led the foundation. I mean to hear these things talking about it like they\u0026#39;re just kind of enthusiastically. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, can I tell you something? I think this is the end of social media at the intelligent level, the whole point of social media from the standpoint of Mark Zuckerberg, or anybody else that they\u0026#39;ve got your attention. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThis takes your attention away from them. This takes your attention away from them. This takes your attention away from them. Yeah, I mean, I\u0026#39;ve never been on social media, but I have observed that you\u0026#39;re giving your attention away to somebody else. Okay, yes, yes, and with that, you\u0026#39;re returning your attention to what\u0026#39;s interesting to you. Yeah, you\u0026#39;ve just created something that\u0026#39;s unique, okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo, Dean takes Profit Activator number one, puts it into Google Notebook Okay, and it comes back with a totally uniquely produced conversation between two AI voices, strictly on Dean\u0026#39;s thinking. My feeling is you\u0026#39;ve returned your attention. I think you\u0026#39;ve returned your attention to yourself. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think you\u0026#39;re right and it\u0026#39;s funny because we\u0026#39;re going to take that now, take that conversation that they had and put it through another AI that will create supporting video. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI\u0026#39;ve had this idea of doing the I Love Marketing podcast, which was my idea was to go back to the first 100 episodes and do a commentary on them, but I think that it might be fascinating to do you know, I love marketing AI to have the Google notebook do their summary on each of the first 100 episodes. It really is a really good 10 minute. 10 minute deep dive, as they say. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, it\u0026#39;s you know, to me it\u0026#39;s really but I think what if you choose to apply this in a way that\u0026#39;s beneficial to yourself? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think you want your own thinking coming back at you, being discussed by two other people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah that\u0026#39;s. I love that. I really do. Like you\u0026#39;re absolutely right, it\u0026#39;s so. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s a moving sidewalk for sure. Like it\u0026#39;s definitely a catalyst for connective thinking, you know, to then have a conversation, yeah yeah, but anyway, it\u0026#39;s really. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it\u0026#39;s really neat. You know, one thing that really occurs to me is the wow factor that everybody\u0026#39;s talking about. Gee, it\u0026#39;s just like human with a high IQ. No, it isn\u0026#39;t. It\u0026#39;s just a further advancement of technology. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s all it is. We\u0026#39;ve been living this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We\u0026#39;ve been living this. Humans have been living this forever. This is just a new extension of technology. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It isn\u0026#39;t magical. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It isn\u0026#39;t human, you know, it\u0026#39;s just technological. I had a lot of religion when I was a kid and I can tell when other people are starting to get religious with technology. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh-huh right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I said, you know, when people don\u0026#39;t have religion as children, they tend to try to create it out of other experience when they get older. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s true. So you have a. You got a big week this week coming. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I just have one. I have a free zone on. Tuesday and I\u0026#39;m starting my next. I\u0026#39;m just starting my next round of connector calls. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, yeah, I\u0026#39;ll have to look at the calendar when our next connector call is and get on board. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, not free zone, but I have a 10 times connector call at 1030 your time tomorrow morning. Oh, okay, yeah. And this is where I\u0026#39;m testing out strengthening your strengths for the first time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, oh, that\u0026#39;s why it\u0026#39;s hot off the press. Well, I mean I. There\u0026#39;s a greater than zero percent chance that I might fly up to chicago for to get out of here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So we\u0026#39;ll see when\u0026#39;s it supposed to hit tampa? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e well, tuesday, wednesday, will be the peak fall, so we\u0026#39;ll see it it supposed to hit Tampa. When\u0026#39;s it supposed to hit Tampa? Well, tuesday, wednesday will be the peak fall, so we\u0026#39;ll see it\u0026#39;s supposed to. You know, form more, get more structure and stuff today, so they\u0026#39;ll see what the expected path is and stuff. It could go further north or south, or it could fizzle out. You never know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. The news media loves this stuff, you know. So drama, you know, and they\u0026#39;ve got a narrative going now. These are the worst hurricanes in American history. I said no, they\u0026#39;re just hitting more populated areas. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh man Well now you know the whole conspiracy, now that is, that was enhanced hurricane, that they manipulated the weather, dan, and pushed it yeah, to North Carolina because they want. It just so happens that all these mountain towns. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They want a lot of people not voting Republican. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, they want the lithium underneath there. The mountain areas there sit on the highest concentrations of lithium in the world. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We\u0026#39;re talking real conspiracy here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yeah, yeah, no, that\u0026#39;s exactly it. We\u0026#39;re talking about like weaponized weather, to shut down, to make Asheville the next smart city. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I\u0026#39;ll tell you something that there is actually something unique about North Carolina, that the finest quartz in the world that go into microchips, the finest quartz comes from one town in North Carolina. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean in the world. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m talking. Well, this is not lithium, it\u0026#39;s quartz, I mean maybe there\u0026#39;s also lithium there, it\u0026#39;s the same thing, yeah. But that town\u0026#39;s been going for 30, 40 years, you know and everything else else. But it\u0026#39;s really interesting that the finest grade quartz just comes from a mountain in one little town in north carolina, I think that\u0026#39;s an interesting fact, it\u0026#39;s proof of rule number three that\u0026#39;s so funny, it\u0026#39;s true. Number three is rule number three is there are no rules, no rules, no. Life\u0026#39;s not fair. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Life\u0026#39;s not fair, right, sorry, right. Everything is made up, nobody\u0026#39;s in charge and life isn\u0026#39;t fair, that\u0026#39;s right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, you get those down pat and you know, you know, and life gets real simple. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. I love it simple. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, absolutely, absolutely I love it. Do you know the american one dollar bill, the left hand side of the american, backside you? Know, it\u0026#39;s got the pyramid. Huh got one there I don\u0026#39;t have paper bill I don\u0026#39;t know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t think I have paper bill. No, I don\u0026#39;t have one. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I have lots. I have ATMs in my closet. I have ATMs in shoe boxes. I\u0026#39;ve got ATMs in the freezer compartment. I always have cash, but that\u0026#39;s very interesting. But you see the pyramid there. That\u0026#39;s the three rules. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, it\u0026#39;s made up. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Everything\u0026#39;s made up. Everything\u0026#39;s made up. That\u0026#39;s one side of the pyramid. The other side to that second side, nobody\u0026#39;s in charge. And number three is life\u0026#39;s not fair. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And if you get that, you\u0026#39;re a happy American. And the I is. We\u0026#39;re always watching. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, see if you\u0026#39;ve been good or bad, that\u0026#39;s exactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s exactly right, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I love it Well anyway, we both have assignments. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m excited about that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e First thing tomorrow morning and it\u0026#39;ll be really interesting. But I\u0026#39;ll just go to Hamish, because Hamish is playing with it already and it\u0026#39;s really great. And yeah, this is a neat site. We can have our listeners out there do the same thing, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I love it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m going to go to Perplexity and say tell me the 10 most important things about Google Notebook. Oh, very good yeah I like that Because I bet perplexity has a better notion of what it does than Google does. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I wonder if perplexity I\u0026#39;m going to ask perplexity give me the top 10 things or top 10 ways I should be using you, the top 10 ways you could be useful to me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I asked it, the R factor question, you know the perplexity. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI said perplexity if we were having this discussion three years from today and you\u0026#39;re looking back over the three years, what has to happen for you to feel happy with your progress? Okay, okay. Five seconds later I had it Okay. And then I said what are the 10 biggest obstacles to you being happy with your progress? And then it said at the end if I solve these 10, if I overcome these 10 biggest obstacles, I\u0026#39;ll be very happy with my progress. Obstacles I\u0026#39;ll be very happy with my progress. That was a good answer. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That was a good answer. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s great, I\u0026#39;m going to do that. That\u0026#39;s funny. I\u0026#39;m going to see what they say. Well, so next week you\u0026#39;re traveling, and then so two weeks. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, we\u0026#39;re up to the cottage for Thanksgiving, which is and so, but we go up on Thursday, we have the big dinner on Saturday night and Babs and I come back to the city on Sunday. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Drive back on Sunday. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, so Monday. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Monday\u0026#39;s the holiday, but right, yep. So two, two, two Sundays. Yeah, all right, you got homework I got homework, got homework, absolutely I\u0026#39;ll talk to you soon, okay, bye. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, I share my experiences living in hurricane-prone areas, focusing on the looming threat of Hurricane Milton in Florida. We delve into how such natural disasters test our resilience, drawing parallels with historical floods in Ohio. These experiences serve as a backdrop for discussing the broader theme of adaptation and change.\r\n\r\n\r\nWe explore the Strategic Coach framework's Free Zone concept, which redefines retirement as a time for continuous growth, fueled by innovation and technology. I express skepticism about Artificial General Intelligence, instead advocating for real-world applications of AI that enhance learning and productivity.\r\n\r\n\r\nThe episode also dives into marketing strategies in the digital age, highlighting the Profit Activator Scorecard and AI tools like Perplexity and Google's Notebook. These tools help us identify gaps and enrich our marketing approaches, as illustrated through collaborations with Joe Polish and Dr. Cherie Ong.\r\n\r\n\r\nOur discussion extends to AI's role in creative and analytical tasks, showcasing how tools like Perplexity can generate insights and drive innovative conversations. We reflect on how these technologies can transform marketing strategies and enhance our understanding of complex topics.\r\n","date_published":"2024-11-06T12:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/9482de6f-6ad9-43ab-8e15-e5eacce8d4c1.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":45115827,"duration_in_seconds":2793}]},{"id":"e4c32b33-99c7-4e8a-8503-5cdb90fa73fa","title":"Ep136:  Hurricanes, Health, and the Role of AI","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/136","content_text":"In this episode of Welcome to Cloulandia, We delve into a range of topics, starting with the impact of natural disasters like hurricanes, discussing their unpredictable effects and the challenges of recovery in affected areas. The conversation transitions into a discussion about health, where insights on traditional Chinese medicine and its approach to addressing common illnesses are shared. We highlight how ancient practices like herbal treatments and scraping therapy remain relevant today.  \n\nWe then explore a fascinating scientific discussion on fructose and its historical role in human survival, as well as its connection to modern health issues like diabetes and dementia. The implications of diet and sugar consumption are examined with insights from experts who have dedicated their careers to studying these links.  \n\nTurning to technology, We discuss the evolving role of artificial intelligence (AI), highlighting its potential in creative and practical applications\n\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\n\n  Dan and I discuss the impact of hurricanes, focusing on their unpredictable effects and the recovery challenges faced by affected regions.\n  I share insights on traditional Chinese medicine, including treatments like herbal remedies and scraping therapy, and how these methods address common health issues.\n  We examine the role of fructose in human survival and its modern connections to health problems like diabetes and dementia, drawing on expert perspectives.\n  We explore the evolving applications of artificial intelligence, discussing its potential in creative fields, communication, and education.\n  The conversation touches on the limitations and risks of AI, including concerns about quality and the pace of technological adoption.\n  We reflect on the technological history of politics, discussing how innovations like FM radio and cable television have influenced public discourse over time.\n  We share observations on the psychological and societal effects of rapid technological advancements, including shifting expectations for speed and efficiency.\n  The episode highlights examples of AI in action, such as automated customer service and editing tools, and their implications for productivity.\n  Dan and I discuss the contextual complexity of decision-making, emphasizing the importance of considering multiple factors in understanding trends and behaviors.\n  We conclude with reflections on how these topics intersect, offering a perspective on the evolving relationship between technology, society, and individual experiences.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean: Mr Sullivan, you have survived the hurricane, I survived the hurricane. Yes, we actually got almost nothing in Winter Haven. \n\nDan: Yes. \n\nDean: Winter Haven lived up to its name. \n\nDan: No, I checked the weather condition in Winter Haven just in case I'd have to send an emergency package. \n\nDean: Yeah, emergency, that's right we ended up. It was very. You know, it's a perfect example of you know when the hurricanes are coming. Of course you start out with that. You know the national news oh boy, there's a hurricane brewing, there's a tropical storm, it's forming in the Caribbean right now, or it's forming below Mexico or below Cuba, and then every day this is intensifying all the language, all the total emotional language, and then this is going to be devastating. And then you see the big buzzsaw working its way through the Gulf of Mexico on its approach to the mainland, and it could go anywhere, dan the cone of probability. \n\nAnd this one luckily stayed far enough to the west that we really got nothing. I mean, I got one band of wind and rain. It was like one of the outer perimeter bands, but not to say that it wasn't a devastating hurricane, because the whole the Gulf Coast, like in Tampa and St Petersburg and especially up in the Panhandle, they got really like rocked with this. And then North Carolina is getting pummeled with flooding and I mean like unbelievable stuff that's going on. \n\nYeah, it's wild. You know our friend Chad Jenkins. He's got a place in, or had a place in, the mountains and the whole road going into the community just washed away, you know those guys are gonna be. I mean it's gonna be a long cleanup to get up from under all the flooding and stuff that's happened in North Carolina and most of you know Georgia and North Florida, but just shows you what it was? \n\nDan: Well, it must have gone pretty far north, because Joe Polish was doing an event, supposedly today. \n\nDean: In Cincinnati, yeah. \n\nDan: In Cincinnati and the stage got destroyed. \n\nDean: I saw that. The whole event, so it got pretty far north yes, yeah, because cincinnati I mean I think two things there, right that that's. Most people don't realize actually how far south cincinnati is, as you know, you know, it's almost kentucky, basically kentucky. \n\nDan: So yeah, you can see. Well, comington is right across the river. You know Exactly. \n\nDean: But still. \n\nDan: I mean compared to Florida, it's pretty far north. \n\nDean: Oh yeah, You're absolutely right. Yeah, you're home safe. \n\nDan: Oh yeah, yeah, no, it's been nice here, it's been you know we've had probably the classic summer in September this year, I mean here it is almost the end of the month and all the leaves are completely green. We have a big Lots of leaves. We have lots of leaves with big oak trees that we have in our compound. We have six or seven, I think, seven big, seven big trees. But, nothing's turned yet, none of the colors have started yet, but it's been warm. It's been. You know, yesterday was 73, 74, which is great. \n\nDean: It's the best. It's the best. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's been terrific, and yeah sorry you couldn't make it to. \n\nDean: Genius Phoenix, yeah. \n\nDan: It was great. It was great. Who'd you catch that call from? I forget. \n\nDean: Oh my goodness, Super spreader, super spreader Sullivan, that's you. \n\nDan: Yeah, what was that? But? \n\nDean: that came on fast. \n\nDan: You know he. \n\nDean: We had brunch on Saturday were there was nothing going on. We had dinner sunday night at your house and then monday, you were like full in the throes of it. And then we had dinner monday night and of course I was right beside you and by by Wednesday I went downhill, you know, and I could tell that it was coming on bad and I was supposed to speak at Giovanni's big event in the Arcane Summit, but I could tell I was going downhill. And then, thursday I switched my flight to come back to Florida because the original plan was I was going to speak at Giovanni's event and then on Sunday, fly to Phoenix for to be with you guys. \n\nDan: Yeah, but anyway I made it home. \n\nDean: I made it home just in time. I went full immersion in you know self-care, nipping in the bud, I think the warm, moist air really a lot to get rid of it yeah, well, you still sound like you, I was just gonna say you still sound yeah, no, I still, yeah, I still have it. \n\nDan: Yeah. So we went to we have a really great chinese doctor here in toronto and uh you know, he does everything through pulse and he took my pulse and yeah his name's dr zhao and you know I've got a track record going back 20 years where you try this, it doesn't work. You try this, it doesn't work. You go to a doctor, it doesn't work. Then you go to dr zhao and within three or four days, then take these little. \n\nDean: I went to a chinese doctor one time. No, they're herb. \n\nDan: He gives you little packets of herbs and you make them like coffee and it's foul tasting, as it should be, and three or four. I can feel myself coring up already. I went on Friday and we have a Vietnamese massage therapist going back 30 years now. She's been with us since 32 years and she does scraping. Do you know what scraping is? \n\nDean: I do not. \n\nDan: Is that? No, it's. You know, she scrapes the skin hard. You know it's hard. Yeah, it's painful, it's actually quite painful. She did it on me. I just came from that about an hour ago. \n\nDean: What is she scraping it with? \n\nDan: Well, I don't know what it is. It's like stones. A special tool, it's like stones, oh, like bones. Yeah, sharp stones, you know. \n\nDean: Bone things. \n\nDan: yeah, and she doesn't take the scalp. You know she doesn. She doesn't take your scalp off, she just scrapes your back and scrapes your chest and it releases all the phlegm. You know the interesting word phlegm? So Chinese and Vietnamese in a space of three days and I'll be as good as new on Wednesday. In about a week. Takes about two or three days. \n\nTakes about two or three days you know I'm very, you know I've got a lot of compartments in my brain and people say you don't believe in that stuff. No, I do. And I said I think it works, even if you don't believe in it. \n\nDean: Right, that's exactly it. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: It's not up for debate. That's funny. Yeah, well, you went to the Chinese have. \n\nDan: yeah, well, you went to the chinese have lasted. \n\nDean: The chinese have lasted a long time, you know, and I guess some of it works did you go to canyon ranch? \n\nDan: this time no we just we went to richard rossi's. Oh, that's what it was, I knew there was something yeah yeah, what was the big. \n\nDean: It was good. Yeah, what was the big yeah, there he had to. \n\nDan: Richard is just terrific in his curating of scientists. You know, he had a lot of scientists come in and talk and we had two especially one of them around 70. And he's been looking into the impact of fructose pretty well for 60 or 70, 50 or 60 years. \n\nAnd he really says that fructose is basically involved in anything bad that happens to you. You know, almost every kind of ailment and disease there's a fructose trigger to it. And he said and it was once a very good thing, when you know, thousands, tens of thousands of years ago, when we couldn't count on food, you know the food supply was not a predictable thing and he's just traced it to three or four genes. That got changed back in the prehistoric times when it was very necessary to stock up on fruit. You know, eat fruit as much as you could before the famine season came, usually winter, you know, sort of. You know there wasn't any food. \n\nAnd Buddy said then it's, you know, it was good at one time, but now we're in different conditions and now it's a problem. So anyway, he was great and I'm going to have him as a speaker at CoachCon 26 in Orlando. His name's Richard Johnson. Yeah, fascinating guy. Yeah, fascinating guy. And his whole career has been based on taking his research as far as he can and then finding someone in the world who has mastered the whole area that he's just entered. \n\nAnd he does a collaboration with them and then they create something new, and his whole career has been these collaborations with people who are more expert at what he's just discovered. And then they together do something even beyond what either of them have done before. So he's going to do one day on fructose and he's going to do the next day on collaboration. \n\nDean: Oh wow, is he mad at fruit? Is he mad at fruit? Is fruit considered the same thing or is he talking about? No, it's Coke, it's Coca-Cola. \n\nDan: That's what I mean. Like the fructose corn syrup, but not naturally. No, he's not against fruit. He the process, the intense fructose that they use, you know, to get people addicted to other kinds of foods yes, oh exactly, yeah yeah wow, but it was very interesting just how step by step, how step, he tracked down sort of the culprit. \n\nYou know, and he said that pretty well, almost anything bad that can happen you. There's a fructose trigger in it. And you know and he said that pretty well, almost anything bad that can happen to you. There is a fructose trigger in it. And you know, then, including dementia, like including dementia and well diabetes leads to dementia. You know. They now have a pretty clear connection between diabetes and dementia. \n\nDean: And yeah, that was what they're saying. I heard somebody refer to it as pre-dementia. Diabetes is pre. Like you know, everybody's walking around with pre-diabetes and the next level of diabetes is pre-dementia. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, and then pre-dementia is pre-presidency. \n\nDean: Oh my goodness, exactly. It's almost like a requirement. \n\nDan: It's almost like a requirement. It's almost like a requirement. It's almost like a merit badge. Yeah, when we're coming down the stretch it shows one thing We've had a virtually uncapable person in the White House for four years and the country still runs. That's what I mean. \n\nDean: That's what I really see. I think it's yeah. \n\nDan: I mean, I don't think it gives you the sense of momentum that probably a good president would do. But here we are, you know, and who knows who's actually been making the decisions for the last four years. You know, it's an interesting test case, you know. Yeah, I don't think the israelis could get away with that oh my goodness, I just saw I think, they need someone. I think they need somebody right on the job, you know in the moment at all times they don't have much margin for error no, exactly yeah, that's wild huh. \n\nDean: Well, I mean, uh, I just saw you were coming now into october, very around the heels here. So we're coming down the home stretch ready for the october surprise. Dan, everybody is all wondering what's the October surprise going to be, you know? \n\nDan: Yeah, there may be no surprise. \n\nDean: That could be the surprise, right there. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, it's hard. It's hard to, you know, impose the past on the future. You know I mean it may, nothing may happen, it may just go along the way it is. Nothing may happen, it may just go along the way it is. But I feel that the Kamala is losing ground. Each week I get a feeling that there's this kind of erosion. \n\nthat's happening week by week but she doesn't have any message. As a matter of fact, she's avoiding messages and I think it's hard to get the ground troops excited when you don't have a message. It's hard to get you. You know it's hard to get the check writers interested, probably in the last 33 or 34 weeks when you don't have a message. \n\nDean: One of my favorite things that happened was I don't know whether it was an official ad or whether it was a meme, but it was Kamala saying if Donald Trump wins, there'll be the largest mass deportation in American history. Can you imagine what that would even look like? And then it ends and it goes. I'm Donald Trump. I approve this message. How perfect is that. \n\nDan: Can you even imagine what that would look like? I'm Donald Trump. I approve this message. \n\nDean: How perfect is that? Can you even imagine what that would look like? I'm Donald Trump. I approve this message. \n\nDan: I think he's a rascal. \n\nDean: But that's like so funny. Now we're getting somewhere. \n\nDan: Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah. Even my opponent is working for my campaign. \n\nDean: Exactly. Oh my goodness, so funny. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you know, I think that there's kind of like an American center at any given time, like yeah, this is my yeah. What is it I started voting in? 68 was the first year that I voted. First presidential election because it was. The voting age was 21 when I was 20 and 64. I was 20 and 60. So I couldn't vote for the presidency in 64, so I had to wait until 68. \n\nAnd so you know, that's a whole number of years. It's 32, it's 56 years, so this is my 14th election and the thing is that at any given point there's sort of a center to things and I think the center moves around. But the person whose activities and message most corresponds to the American center during presidential year wins. You know, they just win I think it moves and I think America is a bit of an ADD country, you know that hyper, focusing on something different. \n\nyou know every presidential cycle something and I just get the sense that there's she's not in the center. You know, you get a feeling that what she says and how she talks about it, it's just not in the center. \n\nDean: Oh, and there was another ad showing. You know it was taking her words from 2020 and then exactly saying the opposite right now. Like every you know so like, thing after thing, her complete change on positions. You know it's pretty wild to see when you and she says things with such conviction and matter of fact it's like there can be no other way than this. Like how do? \n\nyou not see this as the thing, and then she's saying it with the same tone and the same conviction the exact opposite thing. It's pretty amazing. I started watching last night, about halfway through, a documentary about Lee Atwater. Does that sound familiar? He? \n\nDan: was quite Lee really changed American politics. \n\nDean: Yeah, I didn't really know about him. I'd heard the name, of course, but yeah, this documentary really kind of digs into it. I didn't realize he was Karl Rove's mentor and so pivotal in Ronald Reagan and the Bushes. \n\nDan: Yeah, he was the first of the take no prisoners, so there's a lot of shenanigans going on, so there's always been shenanigans. \n\nDean: I guess that's really the thing Whenever the stakes are high, clever people are going to dream up shenanigans. \n\nDan: Yeah, he was the one who George Bush Sr the outrouter was this is 88, 1988. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: And he took down Dukakis in about three weeks. Yes, dukakis was kind of a, you know he was a governor of Massachusetts and sort of solid you know solid record and everything else. But boy, he was not prepared at all for the type of things that happen when you run for president, I mean when it's nationwide governor who's been basically in one state for all his political career, you know, just doesn't have the experience to deal with what can happen on a national level. I think that's one of the things that gives Trump the edge, I think is the fact that this is his third complete national campaign. So you know, from everything I've read about him and everything, I think he's a fast learner. You know he adjusts quickly to new circumstances, and so I think that just understanding how the entire campaign works, in it. \n\nyou know it really starts about 18 months before the election day and you know to know exactly, step by step, what's happening, I think is a huge advantage. \n\nDean: And it became clear watching the Lee Atwater thing that it's really it's most with what I was, you know, thinking, reading in same as ever. You know where the whole thing is, that good news takes, you know, build slowly and against resistance, and bad news gets is immediate, and that was what his thing was, what he found, what he said he found fascinating is you could end somebody's entire career in a day, that it could all fall apart. You just had the right thing that hits the right chord and it catches fire. And in another election he was accused or suspected of arranging this third party candidate to say the things that the primary candidate couldn't say, draw attention to this candidate's lack of belief in God, and it was really something. \n\nDan: I think he died around 90, 1991. He got cancer or something. He died young. I mean he wasn't very old. I think he was in his 40s when he died. It's really interesting when you look at the technological basis for politics and you know the left, you know, goes frantic. Left and right is an event. I don't know if you know where left wing and right wing or the listeners do. It comes from the French Revolution. \n\nDean: The French. \n\nDan: Revolution, they had a national assembly and on the right were the traditional landowners in France. So these were families that maybe for half a millennia had owned land and there was always suspicion in how rich people got their land back then. You know, you never knew how they got their land. And then there was the church, and the church was on the side of the landowners. And then there was the government, you know the monarchy. They were the supporters of the monarchy and they were on the right, and the ones on the left were actually the new news media, the new intellectual class and actually the bureaucrats, the new bureaucrats who you know the state was getting big and you had these bureaucrats and they were on the left. And so that's really you know where that term right wing and left wing really starts, and and you know it's gone through different shapes and forms over the last 250 years or so. And but what I believe is that after the Second World War, the mainstream of the university were basically the mainstream and they were actually. \n\nToday we would say that they were sort of left wing and there really wasn't any right wing. There really wasn't right wing, because they controlled the magazines, they controlled the newspapers, they controlled the radio. Television was just, you know, just in its infancy, and there was one technological change that actually brought what we call the right wing today to the forefront, and it was FM radio. \n\nAnd FM radio was possible in the 1930s or 1940s. They already knew the technology of it, but that NBC, which was the dominant network. Back then you had ABC, cbs and NBC, but NBC was the dominant and they didn't want FM radio. So they literally stopped it for 30 years and then the government had to overrule them and allow FM radio to exist. And when FM radio came in it became the radios of the big city because it's got very limited bandwidth. \n\nDean: You know it reaches. \n\nDan: I don't know bandwidth, I mean FM doesn't go more than about 30 miles. Pardon me, but it became the radio station of the universities and the big cities. \n\nDean: New York. \n\nDan: Chicago, boston and everything else, and they moved out of AM radio and they said we don't want that small town stuff, am radios. So they left a vacuum. What we would call the left wing today moved to FM radio like national public radio is all FM radio, which is left wing. \n\nThe NPR is the left wing medium. Based on today's landscape it's left wing and it just left the entire right wing with many more stations, but they had tremendous reach, like AM radio. You know, on a clear night in Ohio when I was a kid, I could get New Orleans, I could get St Louis, I could get Chicago, I could get New York, Philadelphia and I could get the charlatan radio from Mexico. Yeah, mean that was a million watt, million watt, radio station. \n\nDean: So you had these really powerful radio stations and they were just abandoned was the idea behind fm, that it it was a shorter length but a higher quality signal. Is that what was? \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and you know, and it was available. So all these bandwidths were taken over by big city stations because you couldn't get the reach. You know you couldn't get the reach, but what you could make up with it was a denser population. So you would have a, you know, a big city would have a much denser population. So you would have a big city would have a much denser population. And what these stations got taken over by were religious congregations, preachers and everything like that, and they were against the mainstream government. Know, that's where Rush Limbaugh came along. \n\nyou know he became the and Billy Graham came along. \n\nDean: Right. Am radio is where you often think about. That was you know became talk radio. That's really where that all started, right. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the Democratic left in the United States just lost its control of AM radio, you know, and that was a big technological change. And then cable television came in. Of course you could have any kind of station, TV station. \n\nDean: So there was a technological basis to politics technological basis to politics. \n\nYeah, this is. I was listening. I've just been exposed in the last week here to the I think it's called Google Notebook, and it's the AI that you can load up you know some text or you know information into train, the kind of whatever the language tool is that it's drawing from, and it will create a podcast that's two people talking and explaining. You're making content about what you load up, for instance, like I just thought you know, it's pretty like it's amazing to hear these no, I listened to it. \n\nDan: I listened to it. Oh, you did okay for the first time. \n\nDean: Yeah, hamish what's? \n\nDan: hamish mcdonald's. Uh, yeah, yeah, it was a particular piece of legislation in. Prince Edward Island. And so the government was using Google notebook to explain it, and it's a man and a woman talking to each other. And they said, and I mean the discussion quality and the voice quality was really terrific Like it sounds like two real people but the thing was they were just uniformly enthusiastic and positive about the regulation or the regulations that were doing that and that was my tee off that this is phony. \n\nNot phony, but artificial, right, you know I mean. I mean artificial. One of the meanings of artificial is phony. You know and everything. But it was really interesting to listen to it and I think it's good for education, explaining things you know. \n\nDean: Yes, yeah. \n\nDan: Because they go back and forth with each other, so I thought it was pretty good. \n\nDean: Huh, and just like. So you look at this as this, if this is crawling, you know, if you look at that as the beginning of it, because that's the first I've seen of that capability. It's really pretty. It's really pretty amazing what we're up against. \n\nJust to put it in context, I heard someone talking about where we are now, the new I don't know how they number them, but the 0.01 or 01 or whatever now is the latest level of it context of a scale like the phases, the level five kind of thing, being the peak. You know, general intelligence, that that knows everything, this 101 or 10 or whatever it is. It was just tested at 120 IQ, which is higher than 91% of the population. \n\nDan: And it means that 91% of the population isn't going to understand it. \n\nDean: That could be. I mean, that's exactly right. \n\nDan: Or listen to it. Yeah, but they're saying that if we look at the scale. \n\nDean: If we look at the scale from 1 to 5, we're at about 2 right now, on the way to 5 by say 20 or whatever. \n\nDan: I don't know really what that means. Iq 120 about what? Yeah, I mean. \n\nDean: Yeah, I don't know I mean even IQ itself. \n\nDan: You know it's being more and more discounted, as you know, as any kind of, I mean. What it means is pattern recognition. I think the Q now comes back to pattern. But, for example, above 150, I mean there's's people, there's an organization called mensa I mean yeah, you know which is people? I think it's 160 or above and what they find is that they're kind of dismal failures. You know, yeah, you know. \n\nDean: No, I heard a thing that the actual, most, the most beneficial iq is about 125. \n\nDan: that it gets in the way yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's the practical realm, the practical realm is 120 to 140. And you know that people think better than other people, but they also make better decisions and they take better actions. I think that's probably the realm, and it's very interesting when they compare all the IQ tests of men and women. They have different curves. \n\nAnd so there's far more males below 100 than there are females in relationship to how many males. So a higher percentage of males are below 120 or below 100 and a much bigger percentage of males are above 140. And the women control the area between 100 and 140. I mean just statistically based on yeah, and so the idiots and the geniuses men have they struggle, that's funny, I had them. \n\nDean: so, yeah, I, yeah, I did. Years ago as an adult, though, I did my IQ just for fun, to see what. See where I'm at, and it's always 140, and which was see where I'm at. I was 140, which was very superior intelligence, dan, they call it VVSI on the tip of the I knew that the moment I met you. That's so funny. Yeah, I don't know what that means. \n\nDan: It was a good choice of restaurants. It was on Avenue Road. \n\nDean: That's exactly right, yes, yeah, that's right. Yeah, boba, yeah, yeah, so funny. So I think that this I remember saying to you a few years ago. I remember somebody tweeting which I thought was funny. They were saying however bullish you are about AI and circa 2030, you are insufficiently bullish, is what they were saying, and I thought those words just struck me as funny. But now we're starting to see, like, because that was even before ai, that was before t came out, because that's really only it's. It'll be two years in november, right that we? \n\ngot the very first, 30th, 30th of november well, the very first sorry, that's okay the very first taste of it. And look at how it's changed in two years. You can only imagine what it's going to be in 2030. \n\nDan: But I don't see any real impact of it out in the world. I don't see any impact. \n\nDean: Yeah, let's talk about that. It's not obvious. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: I don't see anything. \n\nDan: Yeah, my sense is that we're sort of in a tinkering stage right now and that you give AI to one person and they do something with it. You give it to another person and they do something different with it. \n\nYou give it to a million people and a million people do a million different things with it, but I don't see any unity or focus to it whatsoever, any unity or focus to it whatsoever. And it's bothering the investment markets, like Goldman Sachs, the big investment bank, who they're sort of alert to trends in the market because that's how they make their money. They said that they're very disappointed that in two years there's been billions and billions and billions of dollars spent in corporations bringing in AI, but they don't see any results whatsoever yet. So I think it's. My sense is that it's having a great impact, but it's not measurable by standard economic standards. It's not measurable, it's invisible standards. \n\nDean: It's not measurable, it's invisible, right, and I I wonder, like you know, I've been talking about and thinking about this. You know I almost liken it to the way when the iphone came out. We had all the capabilities that went with it, right, like the gyroscope and the geographic, you know, knowing where you are geographically and the accelerometer and the touch screen and all of those capabilities that it could do, and, of course, the first things that people did was make games that you could you know, the other thing is photography yeah photography really changed huh, and now you see, like yeah, because now the, but being able. \n\nThe big difference now with the ai is the sort of generative creativity, the photography and the things. I was laughed. There was about several years ago when AI was first start of sort of really getting legs. Before GPT, there were just the micro capabilities that AI was using. There was a website, and still is called thispersondoesnotexistcom, and every time you push refresh on the thing it creates a new image, photo image of a person that is an amalgam of all of the photo. You know millions of photos, and so it just is infinitely combining characteristics and hair color, hairstyle, eye color, skin tone, facial features, all of that to make a unique person that does not exist. \n\nThose are now along with the. When you couple that with the capability now of creating video avatars, like the AI videos, that you can have them say your script you know in, and it looks like a real person doing those things and it's just. I think, as all these capabilities come together, it's going to be a lot like the app store, where people are going to corral these capabilities into a very specific outcome. You know that you can. You know that you can tap into. I mean what a time to be a creative right now, you know, in terms of having vision and being able to pair up with infinite capabilities. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's kind of you know I mean, there's some interesting insights about that that you're still constrained by one thing, because that on the receiving end of all this, people can still only think about one thing at a time. Okay, and you know so, you're not going to speed up anybody's intelligence on the receiving end. You may speed up your intelligence on the grave, but you're not going to speed. As a matter of fact, you may be dumbing them down at the other end. \n\nBut what I think it's going to do is big systems. I mean, one of the great big systems that's been created over the last probably 50, 60 years is air traffic control. So there's not been a commercial accident in the air. I think it. You know, it may be 15, 20 years, I don't know. \n\nThe last time, two planes collided in the air Right, right Like a collision in the air. And there you know, if you go back to the 30s, 40s and 50s, there were quite a few, you know, fog or something and everything like that, and so I think it's going to be big systems, like big electrical systems. That's where you're going to see the impact. I don't think it's going to be at the individual level. I think it's going to be at the big system level, and my sense is the Israelis are doing a lot of this at the big system level and my sense is the Israelis are doing a lot of this. I think the Israelis and you know the precision bombing they're doing now is really quite extraordinary, like they killed the head of Hezbollah on Friday. \n\nDean: I just saw that. I saw something about that. I didn't have a chance to dig in, but that guy yeah. \n\nDan: And they? First of all, they phoned everybody in the neighborhood within 500 meters and they said get out within the next 20 minutes because we're going to be bombing some buildings. So they have everybody's phone number. \n\nlike in Beirut and Lebanon, they've got everybody's text number and phone number and they just mail them and says you know, get out of your building because there's bombs coming, you know. And so it was colossal. They cleared a block. I mean, when you look at it's three buildings and there's nothing but rubble and everything like that, well, there are hundreds of people around there. I think two people got killed and you know 50, 50 were injured, but I think you know typically technology leaps ahead in warfare, you know 50-50, we're injured, but I think you know typically technology leaps ahead in warfare, you know that's number one. \n\nNumber two is games, you know, and the gaming industry is probably using this extraordinarily quickly and you know, and other forms of entertainment, other forms of entertainment, that's where it happens. But yeah, I'm not seeing the big jump. You know, I hear, you know Peter Diamandis sends out this is going to happen. And then you extrapolate in a straight line Well, because they're IQ 120, you know, in five years is going to be IQ 180. But most humans with 180 IQ are pretty worthless yeah you know they can't change a tire. \n\nYou know they have problems in practice, right exactly yeah, they become more impractical and it's not clear that, beyond a certain amount of it, that intelligence is that great an advantage? You know, I don't know, I'm not, you know I'm, don't know, I'm not, you know, I'm just not convinced. Yet I mean, I use, you know, perplexity, and you know I really like perplexity because it gives me nice answers to things. I'm interested in, but not once has anything I've done on perplexity actually entered into my work. \n\nDean: Right, you know it's Stuart Bell who runs my 90-minute book team. You know we were having a conversation about it and you know they're integrating into the editing process some. \n\nDan: AI. \n\nDean: So the first two passes of editing are now AI. First two passes of editing are now AI and he was amazed actually at how good it is. Most of the time the editing process is reductive, meaning that there's less. You put in this many words and you come out with something less than that many words. But this past, the way they've got it going now is it actually is a little bit expansive and you come out with about 10 more words than what it was, but reads. But reads very, you know very easily. So so he's very impressed with the way that's gone and it happens in moments rather than days of going through a traditional editing process. That was always the biggest time constraint. \n\nDan: Bottleneck is the editing process, but that means that you can only charge less for it. Time constraint, bottleneck is the editing process, you know. \n\nDean: Yeah, but that means that you can only charge less for it. I mean, let me just pose a counter possibility. Wait a second now yeah, possibility. \n\nDan: I had a lawyer once and he said everything went to hell in the legal industry when fax machines came in, and he was explaining this to me that he said it used to be that you'd go and have a meeting with the client and then you'd go back and he would grant you three or four days to make revisions and then you know, send it by courier and over yeah and he noticed that over the first two years of fax they expected the revisions to be back that day so if things speed up people's expectations. \n\nPeople's expectations jump to saying well, you know, you just ran that through the ai, so why should I pay you for? You know I would. It take you three minutes to do this, you know why should I but? You put yeah. So my sense is that there's an economic factor that doesn't increase when the speed increases. Actually, the economic factor decreases as the speed increases. \n\nYou know it used to be that they gave you two weeks to come up with a. You know a script for a play. Now they want it back an hour after you've talked you know, because they say well, we're not. We know you're using the ai and so you know we expect it to happen sooner you watch. \n\nI mean, we'll just keep track of this on our podcast as we go over yeah, but once you have a tech, once you have a speedier technology, people's expectation of speed goes up to match what other evidence is there for that? \n\nDean: what other analogs? \n\nDan: well, fax machine, yeah, fax machines and an email. Yeah, email very definitely, but the world hasn't slowed down with faster technology. \n\nDean: No. \n\nDan: No, everything's gotten faster. It's like sugar. \n\nDean: Yeah, sugar. \n\nDan: Everything speeds up. Everything speeds up with sugar. \n\nDean: Yes, exactly, I don't know. \n\nDan: You know, all I know is, in my 50 years of being an entrepreneur, I don't feel I've ever been at a disadvantage by adjusting to technology slowly. \n\nDean: Yeah, it's just I just see now, if you take the through line of where things are going. Like I was really kind of amazed by this couple on that Google Notebook podcast, Like just that as a capability is pretty amazing. You know, I think you know and you're seeing now, those AI, you know telephony things where you can talk to an AI. \n\nDan: A lot of it is things in sales they're doing. Chris johnson yeah, chris johnson in prezone really has an amazing. \n\nIt's a calling service yeah so he had 32 callers and now he's got five callers and that's a real noticeable thing. And the software and I he gave a an example is about a minute and a half of the caller calling a woman and she's got it. It's. She's got a slight accent I can't quite tell what the accent is, you know, and but she's very responsive. You know she's very responsive and their voice modulation goes up and down in response to the person who answers the phone call you know, and, as a matter of fact, he's the person who answered the phone sounded like a real deadhead. \n\nSo we were about halfway through and I said to Chris. I said which one's the robot? I can't quite tell. \n\nDean: Which one is the? \n\nDan: robot. The person who answered the phone was just really dead. He was really monotonic and everything like that. \n\nDean: But the caller. \n\nDan: She says, oh well, she says you know. She says you indicated interest in finding out more what our company does. And I'm just calling to schedule where we can give you a little bit more information. I'm not the person who does that. I'm just going to set up a meeting where someone can talk to you and it won't last more than 10 minutes, but they're really experts, and so I'm looking at the schedule for tomorrow and I've got 10 o'clock and I've got 3 o'clock. Would one of them be useful for you? He said something like 3 o'clock and I've got three o'clock. Would one of them be useful for you? He said you know something like three o'clock. He says, good, I'll put you in there. And he said you know, we just want to give you the kind of information that would indicate if you want to go further in that and everything like that. So thanks a lot for this and it was really good. \n\nBut that that AI program can make 25,000 calls a minute. \n\nDean: That's crazy isn't it? \n\nDan: In other words, if people answered the phone as a result of sending this out, you could have 1,000 people talking at the same time. Now, I see that as a real breakthrough. \n\nDean: Yeah, agreed, I mean that's kind of ridiculous. \n\nbut yeah you think about that? I you know, when I started out in real estate I would do. I was making a hundred cold calls a day, but I was doing a survey. Was my, was my approach right? So I was saying the same thing. My idea was that I was going to call through the phone book for Georgetown, but I didn't want to, and then I would make a record of I had little or D, and I would only, of course, then follow up with the ones who were willing, happy and had a potential need in the future. That was my game plan and I would make these calls. \n\nI was just thinking now how easy it would be for an AI to do that now, like I would just call people. I'd say hey, mr Sullivan, it's Dean Jackson calling from Royal LePage. We're doing a quick area market survey. I wonder if you have a minute to be included, and most of the time they'd say no, or sometimes they'd say yes. But even if they said no, or I would just say it's just five questions that take one minute, I promise, and most people would go along with that and then I would just ask them have you lived in Georgetown for more than five years and how many years in your current house and how'd you happen to choose Georgetown? \n\nAnd then, if you were to move, would you stay within Georgetown or would you move out of the area? And then, whatever they said, I said when would that be? When would that be? That was the punchline of the whole thing and it was so. You know, it was so amazing, but I could you imagine making 25 000 of those calls in one minute. You call george, every household in geor, those calls in one minute. \n\nYou call every household in Georgetown in one minute and identify all the people who were, because I could imagine an AI saying having that exact interaction that I just shared with you, right? Oh yeah, just the yeah, we're just doing an area market survey. Wonder if you'd have a minute. It's just five questions, one minute, I promise, and then go right into it. I mean that's pretty amazing. You know, if that's a possibility, that's a pretty. \n\nDan: Well, I think you know. I mean, here's where you're. You know we're at the crawling stage with it, but again it all depends on whether people answer the phone or not, right? \n\nDean: We're finding about a third. So we've got a lot of our realtors and others are, you know, following up with people who request books. So when they dial about a third of the people will answer the phone. \n\nDan: Basically you just never reach me. But yeah, my sense about this is that there's very definitely an increase in quantity and I'm not convinced yet that there's an increase in quality, you know right. \n\nRight, you know quality of experience and so, for example, you know quality of experience and so, for example, what Hamish McDonald was sending me had to do with the piece of legislation, because there's something that they want to do and it requires following the rules of government ministry. But it was a little too cheerful and enthusiastic. I found the couple's talk. There would be no negatives in it. And I've never had any experience with government that didn't have a negative in it. So, from a possibility. \n\nDean: I wonder if you could have. I wonder if you could, you know, prompt one person to take the positive one, to take the negative or debate it. \n\nDan: You know, debate fun to take the negative or debate it. Yeah, you know, debate could be, you know, yeah, but my, my sense is that we get better at spotting dishonesty. \n\nYou know like yeah, my sense, I think one of the like I. I have people who use ai all the time and you know, and they send me something and I read it and then we have a discussion over the over Zoom usually, and I'll say I didn't quite get it from what you wrote. There was something missing from. So I'm just going to ask you a whole bunch of questions like content wise. But the context is the real. You know, context is hard to grasp unless you're telling the truth, you know, and the reason is because you have to be touching about 10 different points, and one of the things I find with perplexity the AI is I've got this sort of way of approaching and perplexity always has to tell me 10 things about the subject I'm interested in. Okay, so 10 things. \n\nFor example, I asked, I put in 10 reasons why evs are not being adopted as quickly as was predicted okay and 10 and phew, 10 of them, and you could see that each of them was a little bit of a game stopper. But when you put all 10 of them together it really gave you a sense of why there's a lot of late nights in the EV world right now, trying to figure out why things aren't happening as fast as they could be. \n\nSo that's a contextual answer. It's not just, and what I've discovered from working with perplexity is there's no reason. There's no one reason for anything in the world. There's always at least 10 reasons why something happens or why something doesn't happen, and everything else. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: I'm being educated. I'm being educated, but it's just something that's developed in the relationship between me and the AI. You know, because if you say what are the reasons why AI is not or E-MAT being adopted as quickly as we thought, I think the answer that came back would be very different from my tell me 10 reasons, because it just does what you ask it to do. That's exactly it. \n\nDean: All of it has to. You have to have somebody driving. Yeah, holy cow, it's top of the hour. Dan, that's so funny. I put up a post on Facebook today about just before we got. I told you, ai makes things happen faster it really does just even our real life conversation when you talk about AI, the hour just speeds by. \n\nDan: It really does anyway. Yeah well, you know it's a forever subject because we're going to be with it from now on. \n\nDean: I think that's true, yeah. Yeah, love it All right. Well, you have a great day, all right, and I will talk to you next week. Okay, Thanks, Bye. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn this episode of Welcome to Cloulandia, We delve into a range of topics, starting with the impact of natural disasters like hurricanes, discussing their unpredictable effects and the challenges of recovery in affected areas. The conversation transitions into a discussion about health, where insights on traditional Chinese medicine and its approach to addressing common illnesses are shared. We highlight how ancient practices like herbal treatments and scraping therapy remain relevant today.  \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe then explore a fascinating scientific discussion on fructose and its historical role in human survival, as well as its connection to modern health issues like diabetes and dementia. The implications of diet and sugar consumption are examined with insights from experts who have dedicated their careers to studying these links.  \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eTurning to technology, We discuss the evolving role of artificial intelligence (AI), highlighting its potential in creative and practical applications\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul style=\"list-style-type: circle;\"\u003e\n\u003c/center\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eDan and I discuss the impact of hurricanes, focusing on their unpredictable effects and the recovery challenges faced by affected regions.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eI share insights on traditional Chinese medicine, including treatments like herbal remedies and scraping therapy, and how these methods address common health issues.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe examine the role of fructose in human survival and its modern connections to health problems like diabetes and dementia, drawing on expert perspectives.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe explore the evolving applications of artificial intelligence, discussing its potential in creative fields, communication, and education.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eThe conversation touches on the limitations and risks of AI, including concerns about quality and the pace of technological adoption.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe reflect on the technological history of politics, discussing how innovations like FM radio and cable television have influenced public discourse over time.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe share observations on the psychological and societal effects of rapid technological advancements, including shifting expectations for speed and efficiency.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eThe episode highlights examples of AI in action, such as automated customer service and editing tools, and their implications for productivity.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eDan and I discuss the contextual complexity of decision-making, emphasizing the importance of considering multiple factors in understanding trends and behaviors.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe conclude with reflections on how these topics intersect, offering a perspective on the evolving relationship between technology, society, and individual experiences.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Sullivan, you have survived the hurricane, I survived the hurricane. Yes, we actually got almost nothing in Winter Haven. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Winter Haven lived up to its name. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I checked the weather condition in Winter Haven just in case I\u0026#39;d have to send an emergency package. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, emergency, that\u0026#39;s right we ended up. It was very. You know, it\u0026#39;s a perfect example of you know when the hurricanes are coming. Of course you start out with that. You know the national news oh boy, there\u0026#39;s a hurricane brewing, there\u0026#39;s a tropical storm, it\u0026#39;s forming in the Caribbean right now, or it\u0026#39;s forming below Mexico or below Cuba, and then every day this is intensifying all the language, all the total emotional language, and then this is going to be devastating. And then you see the big buzzsaw working its way through the Gulf of Mexico on its approach to the mainland, and it could go anywhere, dan the cone of probability. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd this one luckily stayed far enough to the west that we really got nothing. I mean, I got one band of wind and rain. It was like one of the outer perimeter bands, but not to say that it wasn\u0026#39;t a devastating hurricane, because the whole the Gulf Coast, like in Tampa and St Petersburg and especially up in the Panhandle, they got really like rocked with this. And then North Carolina is getting pummeled with flooding and I mean like unbelievable stuff that\u0026#39;s going on. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, it\u0026#39;s wild. You know our friend Chad Jenkins. He\u0026#39;s got a place in, or had a place in, the mountains and the whole road going into the community just washed away, you know those guys are gonna be. I mean it\u0026#39;s gonna be a long cleanup to get up from under all the flooding and stuff that\u0026#39;s happened in North Carolina and most of you know Georgia and North Florida, but just shows you what it was? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it must have gone pretty far north, because Joe Polish was doing an event, supposedly today. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e In Cincinnati, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e In Cincinnati and the stage got destroyed. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I saw that. The whole event, so it got pretty far north yes, yeah, because cincinnati I mean I think two things there, right that that\u0026#39;s. Most people don\u0026#39;t realize actually how far south cincinnati is, as you know, you know, it\u0026#39;s almost kentucky, basically kentucky. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So yeah, you can see. Well, comington is right across the river. You know Exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But still. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean compared to Florida, it\u0026#39;s pretty far north. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah, You\u0026#39;re absolutely right. Yeah, you\u0026#39;re home safe. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah, yeah, no, it\u0026#39;s been nice here, it\u0026#39;s been you know we\u0026#39;ve had probably the classic summer in September this year, I mean here it is almost the end of the month and all the leaves are completely green. We have a big Lots of leaves. We have lots of leaves with big oak trees that we have in our compound. We have six or seven, I think, seven big, seven big trees. But, nothing\u0026#39;s turned yet, none of the colors have started yet, but it\u0026#39;s been warm. It\u0026#39;s been. You know, yesterday was 73, 74, which is great. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s the best. It\u0026#39;s the best. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s been terrific, and yeah sorry you couldn\u0026#39;t make it to. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Genius Phoenix, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It was great. It was great. Who\u0026#39;d you catch that call from? I forget. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh my goodness, Super spreader, super spreader Sullivan, that\u0026#39;s you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, what was that? But? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e that came on fast. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know he. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We had brunch on Saturday were there was nothing going on. We had dinner sunday night at your house and then monday, you were like full in the throes of it. And then we had dinner monday night and of course I was right beside you and by by Wednesday I went downhill, you know, and I could tell that it was coming on bad and I was supposed to speak at Giovanni\u0026#39;s big event in the Arcane Summit, but I could tell I was going downhill. And then, thursday I switched my flight to come back to Florida because the original plan was I was going to speak at Giovanni\u0026#39;s event and then on Sunday, fly to Phoenix for to be with you guys. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but anyway I made it home. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I made it home just in time. I went full immersion in you know self-care, nipping in the bud, I think the warm, moist air really a lot to get rid of it yeah, well, you still sound like you, I was just gonna say you still sound yeah, no, I still, yeah, I still have it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. So we went to we have a really great chinese doctor here in toronto and uh you know, he does everything through pulse and he took my pulse and yeah his name\u0026#39;s dr zhao and you know I\u0026#39;ve got a track record going back 20 years where you try this, it doesn\u0026#39;t work. You try this, it doesn\u0026#39;t work. You go to a doctor, it doesn\u0026#39;t work. Then you go to dr zhao and within three or four days, then take these little. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I went to a chinese doctor one time. No, they\u0026#39;re herb. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e He gives you little packets of herbs and you make them like coffee and it\u0026#39;s foul tasting, as it should be, and three or four. I can feel myself coring up already. I went on Friday and we have a Vietnamese massage therapist going back 30 years now. She\u0026#39;s been with us since 32 years and she does scraping. Do you know what scraping is? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I do not. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Is that? No, it\u0026#39;s. You know, she scrapes the skin hard. You know it\u0026#39;s hard. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s painful, it\u0026#39;s actually quite painful. She did it on me. I just came from that about an hour ago. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e What is she scraping it with? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I don\u0026#39;t know what it is. It\u0026#39;s like stones. A special tool, it\u0026#39;s like stones, oh, like bones. Yeah, sharp stones, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Bone things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e yeah, and she doesn\u0026#39;t take the scalp. You know she doesn. She doesn\u0026#39;t take your scalp off, she just scrapes your back and scrapes your chest and it releases all the phlegm. You know the interesting word phlegm? So Chinese and Vietnamese in a space of three days and I\u0026#39;ll be as good as new on Wednesday. In about a week. Takes about two or three days. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eTakes about two or three days you know I\u0026#39;m very, you know I\u0026#39;ve got a lot of compartments in my brain and people say you don\u0026#39;t believe in that stuff. No, I do. And I said I think it works, even if you don\u0026#39;t believe in it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, that\u0026#39;s exactly it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s not up for debate. That\u0026#39;s funny. Yeah, well, you went to the Chinese have. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e yeah, well, you went to the chinese have lasted. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e The chinese have lasted a long time, you know, and I guess some of it works did you go to canyon ranch? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e this time no we just we went to richard rossi\u0026#39;s. Oh, that\u0026#39;s what it was, I knew there was something yeah yeah, what was the big. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It was good. Yeah, what was the big yeah, there he had to. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Richard is just terrific in his curating of scientists. You know, he had a lot of scientists come in and talk and we had two especially one of them around 70. And he\u0026#39;s been looking into the impact of fructose pretty well for 60 or 70, 50 or 60 years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd he really says that fructose is basically involved in anything bad that happens to you. You know, almost every kind of ailment and disease there\u0026#39;s a fructose trigger to it. And he said and it was once a very good thing, when you know, thousands, tens of thousands of years ago, when we couldn\u0026#39;t count on food, you know the food supply was not a predictable thing and he\u0026#39;s just traced it to three or four genes. That got changed back in the prehistoric times when it was very necessary to stock up on fruit. You know, eat fruit as much as you could before the famine season came, usually winter, you know, sort of. You know there wasn\u0026#39;t any food. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd Buddy said then it\u0026#39;s, you know, it was good at one time, but now we\u0026#39;re in different conditions and now it\u0026#39;s a problem. So anyway, he was great and I\u0026#39;m going to have him as a speaker at CoachCon 26 in Orlando. His name\u0026#39;s Richard Johnson. Yeah, fascinating guy. Yeah, fascinating guy. And his whole career has been based on taking his research as far as he can and then finding someone in the world who has mastered the whole area that he\u0026#39;s just entered. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd he does a collaboration with them and then they create something new, and his whole career has been these collaborations with people who are more expert at what he\u0026#39;s just discovered. And then they together do something even beyond what either of them have done before. So he\u0026#39;s going to do one day on fructose and he\u0026#39;s going to do the next day on collaboration. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh wow, is he mad at fruit? Is he mad at fruit? Is fruit considered the same thing or is he talking about? No, it\u0026#39;s Coke, it\u0026#39;s Coca-Cola. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s what I mean. Like the fructose corn syrup, but not naturally. No, he\u0026#39;s not against fruit. He the process, the intense fructose that they use, you know, to get people addicted to other kinds of foods yes, oh exactly, yeah yeah wow, but it was very interesting just how step by step, how step, he tracked down sort of the culprit. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, and he said that pretty well, almost anything bad that can happen you. There\u0026#39;s a fructose trigger in it. And you know and he said that pretty well, almost anything bad that can happen to you. There is a fructose trigger in it. And you know, then, including dementia, like including dementia and well diabetes leads to dementia. You know. They now have a pretty clear connection between diabetes and dementia. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And yeah, that was what they\u0026#39;re saying. I heard somebody refer to it as pre-dementia. Diabetes is pre. Like you know, everybody\u0026#39;s walking around with pre-diabetes and the next level of diabetes is pre-dementia. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, and then pre-dementia is pre-presidency. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh my goodness, exactly. It\u0026#39;s almost like a requirement. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s almost like a requirement. It\u0026#39;s almost like a requirement. It\u0026#39;s almost like a merit badge. Yeah, when we\u0026#39;re coming down the stretch it shows one thing We\u0026#39;ve had a virtually uncapable person in the White House for four years and the country still runs. That\u0026#39;s what I mean. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s what I really see. I think it\u0026#39;s yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, I don\u0026#39;t think it gives you the sense of momentum that probably a good president would do. But here we are, you know, and who knows who\u0026#39;s actually been making the decisions for the last four years. You know, it\u0026#39;s an interesting test case, you know. Yeah, I don\u0026#39;t think the israelis could get away with that oh my goodness, I just saw I think, they need someone. I think they need somebody right on the job, you know in the moment at all times they don\u0026#39;t have much margin for error no, exactly yeah, that\u0026#39;s wild huh. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I mean, uh, I just saw you were coming now into october, very around the heels here. So we\u0026#39;re coming down the home stretch ready for the october surprise. Dan, everybody is all wondering what\u0026#39;s the October surprise going to be, you know? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, there may be no surprise. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That could be the surprise, right there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, it\u0026#39;s hard. It\u0026#39;s hard to, you know, impose the past on the future. You know I mean it may, nothing may happen, it may just go along the way it is. Nothing may happen, it may just go along the way it is. But I feel that the Kamala is losing ground. Each week I get a feeling that there\u0026#39;s this kind of erosion. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ethat\u0026#39;s happening week by week but she doesn\u0026#39;t have any message. As a matter of fact, she\u0026#39;s avoiding messages and I think it\u0026#39;s hard to get the ground troops excited when you don\u0026#39;t have a message. It\u0026#39;s hard to get you. You know it\u0026#39;s hard to get the check writers interested, probably in the last 33 or 34 weeks when you don\u0026#39;t have a message. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e One of my favorite things that happened was I don\u0026#39;t know whether it was an official ad or whether it was a meme, but it was Kamala saying if Donald Trump wins, there\u0026#39;ll be the largest mass deportation in American history. Can you imagine what that would even look like? And then it ends and it goes. I\u0026#39;m Donald Trump. I approve this message. How perfect is that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Can you even imagine what that would look like? I\u0026#39;m Donald Trump. I approve this message. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e How perfect is that? Can you even imagine what that would look like? I\u0026#39;m Donald Trump. I approve this message. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think he\u0026#39;s a rascal. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But that\u0026#39;s like so funny. Now we\u0026#39;re getting somewhere. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah. Even my opponent is working for my campaign. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Exactly. Oh my goodness, so funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you know, I think that there\u0026#39;s kind of like an American center at any given time, like yeah, this is my yeah. What is it I started voting in? 68 was the first year that I voted. First presidential election because it was. The voting age was 21 when I was 20 and 64. I was 20 and 60. So I couldn\u0026#39;t vote for the presidency in 64, so I had to wait until 68. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd so you know, that\u0026#39;s a whole number of years. It\u0026#39;s 32, it\u0026#39;s 56 years, so this is my 14th election and the thing is that at any given point there\u0026#39;s sort of a center to things and I think the center moves around. But the person whose activities and message most corresponds to the American center during presidential year wins. You know, they just win I think it moves and I think America is a bit of an ADD country, you know that hyper, focusing on something different. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eyou know every presidential cycle something and I just get the sense that there\u0026#39;s she\u0026#39;s not in the center. You know, you get a feeling that what she says and how she talks about it, it\u0026#39;s just not in the center. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, and there was another ad showing. You know it was taking her words from 2020 and then exactly saying the opposite right now. Like every you know so like, thing after thing, her complete change on positions. You know it\u0026#39;s pretty wild to see when you and she says things with such conviction and matter of fact it\u0026#39;s like there can be no other way than this. Like how do? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eyou not see this as the thing, and then she\u0026#39;s saying it with the same tone and the same conviction the exact opposite thing. It\u0026#39;s pretty amazing. I started watching last night, about halfway through, a documentary about Lee Atwater. Does that sound familiar? He? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e was quite Lee really changed American politics. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I didn\u0026#39;t really know about him. I\u0026#39;d heard the name, of course, but yeah, this documentary really kind of digs into it. I didn\u0026#39;t realize he was Karl Rove\u0026#39;s mentor and so pivotal in Ronald Reagan and the Bushes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, he was the first of the take no prisoners, so there\u0026#39;s a lot of shenanigans going on, so there\u0026#39;s always been shenanigans. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I guess that\u0026#39;s really the thing Whenever the stakes are high, clever people are going to dream up shenanigans. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, he was the one who George Bush Sr the outrouter was this is 88, 1988. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And he took down Dukakis in about three weeks. Yes, dukakis was kind of a, you know he was a governor of Massachusetts and sort of solid you know solid record and everything else. But boy, he was not prepared at all for the type of things that happen when you run for president, I mean when it\u0026#39;s nationwide governor who\u0026#39;s been basically in one state for all his political career, you know, just doesn\u0026#39;t have the experience to deal with what can happen on a national level. I think that\u0026#39;s one of the things that gives Trump the edge, I think is the fact that this is his third complete national campaign. So you know, from everything I\u0026#39;ve read about him and everything, I think he\u0026#39;s a fast learner. You know he adjusts quickly to new circumstances, and so I think that just understanding how the entire campaign works, in it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eyou know it really starts about 18 months before the election day and you know to know exactly, step by step, what\u0026#39;s happening, I think is a huge advantage. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And it became clear watching the Lee Atwater thing that it\u0026#39;s really it\u0026#39;s most with what I was, you know, thinking, reading in same as ever. You know where the whole thing is, that good news takes, you know, build slowly and against resistance, and bad news gets is immediate, and that was what his thing was, what he found, what he said he found fascinating is you could end somebody\u0026#39;s entire career in a day, that it could all fall apart. You just had the right thing that hits the right chord and it catches fire. And in another election he was accused or suspected of arranging this third party candidate to say the things that the primary candidate couldn\u0026#39;t say, draw attention to this candidate\u0026#39;s lack of belief in God, and it was really something. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think he died around 90, 1991. He got cancer or something. He died young. I mean he wasn\u0026#39;t very old. I think he was in his 40s when he died. It\u0026#39;s really interesting when you look at the technological basis for politics and you know the left, you know, goes frantic. Left and right is an event. I don\u0026#39;t know if you know where left wing and right wing or the listeners do. It comes from the French Revolution. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e The French. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Revolution, they had a national assembly and on the right were the traditional landowners in France. So these were families that maybe for half a millennia had owned land and there was always suspicion in how rich people got their land back then. You know, you never knew how they got their land. And then there was the church, and the church was on the side of the landowners. And then there was the government, you know the monarchy. They were the supporters of the monarchy and they were on the right, and the ones on the left were actually the new news media, the new intellectual class and actually the bureaucrats, the new bureaucrats who you know the state was getting big and you had these bureaucrats and they were on the left. And so that\u0026#39;s really you know where that term right wing and left wing really starts, and and you know it\u0026#39;s gone through different shapes and forms over the last 250 years or so. And but what I believe is that after the Second World War, the mainstream of the university were basically the mainstream and they were actually. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eToday we would say that they were sort of left wing and there really wasn\u0026#39;t any right wing. There really wasn\u0026#39;t right wing, because they controlled the magazines, they controlled the newspapers, they controlled the radio. Television was just, you know, just in its infancy, and there was one technological change that actually brought what we call the right wing today to the forefront, and it was FM radio. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd FM radio was possible in the 1930s or 1940s. They already knew the technology of it, but that NBC, which was the dominant network. Back then you had ABC, cbs and NBC, but NBC was the dominant and they didn\u0026#39;t want FM radio. So they literally stopped it for 30 years and then the government had to overrule them and allow FM radio to exist. And when FM radio came in it became the radios of the big city because it\u0026#39;s got very limited bandwidth. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know it reaches. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t know bandwidth, I mean FM doesn\u0026#39;t go more than about 30 miles. Pardon me, but it became the radio station of the universities and the big cities. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e New York. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Chicago, boston and everything else, and they moved out of AM radio and they said we don\u0026#39;t want that small town stuff, am radios. So they left a vacuum. What we would call the left wing today moved to FM radio like national public radio is all FM radio, which is left wing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe NPR is the left wing medium. Based on today\u0026#39;s landscape it\u0026#39;s left wing and it just left the entire right wing with many more stations, but they had tremendous reach, like AM radio. You know, on a clear night in Ohio when I was a kid, I could get New Orleans, I could get St Louis, I could get Chicago, I could get New York, Philadelphia and I could get the charlatan radio from Mexico. Yeah, mean that was a million watt, million watt, radio station. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So you had these really powerful radio stations and they were just abandoned was the idea behind fm, that it it was a shorter length but a higher quality signal. Is that what was? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and you know, and it was available. So all these bandwidths were taken over by big city stations because you couldn\u0026#39;t get the reach. You know you couldn\u0026#39;t get the reach, but what you could make up with it was a denser population. So you would have a, you know, a big city would have a much denser population. So you would have a big city would have a much denser population. And what these stations got taken over by were religious congregations, preachers and everything like that, and they were against the mainstream government. Know, that\u0026#39;s where Rush Limbaugh came along. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eyou know he became the and Billy Graham came along. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Am radio is where you often think about. That was you know became talk radio. That\u0026#39;s really where that all started, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the Democratic left in the United States just lost its control of AM radio, you know, and that was a big technological change. And then cable television came in. Of course you could have any kind of station, TV station. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So there was a technological basis to politics technological basis to politics. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, this is. I was listening. I\u0026#39;ve just been exposed in the last week here to the I think it\u0026#39;s called Google Notebook, and it\u0026#39;s the AI that you can load up you know some text or you know information into train, the kind of whatever the language tool is that it\u0026#39;s drawing from, and it will create a podcast that\u0026#39;s two people talking and explaining. You\u0026#39;re making content about what you load up, for instance, like I just thought you know, it\u0026#39;s pretty like it\u0026#39;s amazing to hear these no, I listened to it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I listened to it. Oh, you did okay for the first time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, hamish what\u0026#39;s? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e hamish mcdonald\u0026#39;s. Uh, yeah, yeah, it was a particular piece of legislation in. Prince Edward Island. And so the government was using Google notebook to explain it, and it\u0026#39;s a man and a woman talking to each other. And they said, and I mean the discussion quality and the voice quality was really terrific Like it sounds like two real people but the thing was they were just uniformly enthusiastic and positive about the regulation or the regulations that were doing that and that was my tee off that this is phony. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNot phony, but artificial, right, you know I mean. I mean artificial. One of the meanings of artificial is phony. You know and everything. But it was really interesting to listen to it and I think it\u0026#39;s good for education, explaining things you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Because they go back and forth with each other, so I thought it was pretty good. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Huh, and just like. So you look at this as this, if this is crawling, you know, if you look at that as the beginning of it, because that\u0026#39;s the first I\u0026#39;ve seen of that capability. It\u0026#39;s really pretty. It\u0026#39;s really pretty amazing what we\u0026#39;re up against. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eJust to put it in context, I heard someone talking about where we are now, the new I don\u0026#39;t know how they number them, but the 0.01 or 01 or whatever now is the latest level of it context of a scale like the phases, the level five kind of thing, being the peak. You know, general intelligence, that that knows everything, this 101 or 10 or whatever it is. It was just tested at 120 IQ, which is higher than 91% of the population. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And it means that 91% of the population isn\u0026#39;t going to understand it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That could be. I mean, that\u0026#39;s exactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Or listen to it. Yeah, but they\u0026#39;re saying that if we look at the scale. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e If we look at the scale from 1 to 5, we\u0026#39;re at about 2 right now, on the way to 5 by say 20 or whatever. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t know really what that means. Iq 120 about what? Yeah, I mean. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I don\u0026#39;t know I mean even IQ itself. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know it\u0026#39;s being more and more discounted, as you know, as any kind of, I mean. What it means is pattern recognition. I think the Q now comes back to pattern. But, for example, above 150, I mean there\u0026#39;s\u0026#39;s people, there\u0026#39;s an organization called mensa I mean yeah, you know which is people? I think it\u0026#39;s 160 or above and what they find is that they\u0026#39;re kind of dismal failures. You know, yeah, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I heard a thing that the actual, most, the most beneficial iq is about 125. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e that it gets in the way yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it\u0026#39;s the practical realm, the practical realm is 120 to 140. And you know that people think better than other people, but they also make better decisions and they take better actions. I think that\u0026#39;s probably the realm, and it\u0026#39;s very interesting when they compare all the IQ tests of men and women. They have different curves. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd so there\u0026#39;s far more males below 100 than there are females in relationship to how many males. So a higher percentage of males are below 120 or below 100 and a much bigger percentage of males are above 140. And the women control the area between 100 and 140. I mean just statistically based on yeah, and so the idiots and the geniuses men have they struggle, that\u0026#39;s funny, I had them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e so, yeah, I, yeah, I did. Years ago as an adult, though, I did my IQ just for fun, to see what. See where I\u0026#39;m at, and it\u0026#39;s always 140, and which was see where I\u0026#39;m at. I was 140, which was very superior intelligence, dan, they call it VVSI on the tip of the I knew that the moment I met you. That\u0026#39;s so funny. Yeah, I don\u0026#39;t know what that means. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It was a good choice of restaurants. It was on Avenue Road. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s exactly right, yes, yeah, that\u0026#39;s right. Yeah, boba, yeah, yeah, so funny. So I think that this I remember saying to you a few years ago. I remember somebody tweeting which I thought was funny. They were saying however bullish you are about AI and circa 2030, you are insufficiently bullish, is what they were saying, and I thought those words just struck me as funny. But now we\u0026#39;re starting to see, like, because that was even before ai, that was before t came out, because that\u0026#39;s really only it\u0026#39;s. It\u0026#39;ll be two years in november, right that we? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003egot the very first, 30th, 30th of november well, the very first sorry, that\u0026#39;s okay the very first taste of it. And look at how it\u0026#39;s changed in two years. You can only imagine what it\u0026#39;s going to be in 2030. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But I don\u0026#39;t see any real impact of it out in the world. I don\u0026#39;t see any impact. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, let\u0026#39;s talk about that. It\u0026#39;s not obvious. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t see anything. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, my sense is that we\u0026#39;re sort of in a tinkering stage right now and that you give AI to one person and they do something with it. You give it to another person and they do something different with it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou give it to a million people and a million people do a million different things with it, but I don\u0026#39;t see any unity or focus to it whatsoever, any unity or focus to it whatsoever. And it\u0026#39;s bothering the investment markets, like Goldman Sachs, the big investment bank, who they\u0026#39;re sort of alert to trends in the market because that\u0026#39;s how they make their money. They said that they\u0026#39;re very disappointed that in two years there\u0026#39;s been billions and billions and billions of dollars spent in corporations bringing in AI, but they don\u0026#39;t see any results whatsoever yet. So I think it\u0026#39;s. My sense is that it\u0026#39;s having a great impact, but it\u0026#39;s not measurable by standard economic standards. It\u0026#39;s not measurable, it\u0026#39;s invisible standards. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s not measurable, it\u0026#39;s invisible, right, and I I wonder, like you know, I\u0026#39;ve been talking about and thinking about this. You know I almost liken it to the way when the iphone came out. We had all the capabilities that went with it, right, like the gyroscope and the geographic, you know, knowing where you are geographically and the accelerometer and the touch screen and all of those capabilities that it could do, and, of course, the first things that people did was make games that you could you know, the other thing is photography yeah photography really changed huh, and now you see, like yeah, because now the, but being able. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe big difference now with the ai is the sort of generative creativity, the photography and the things. I was laughed. There was about several years ago when AI was first start of sort of really getting legs. Before GPT, there were just the micro capabilities that AI was using. There was a website, and still is called thispersondoesnotexistcom, and every time you push refresh on the thing it creates a new image, photo image of a person that is an amalgam of all of the photo. You know millions of photos, and so it just is infinitely combining characteristics and hair color, hairstyle, eye color, skin tone, facial features, all of that to make a unique person that does not exist. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThose are now along with the. When you couple that with the capability now of creating video avatars, like the AI videos, that you can have them say your script you know in, and it looks like a real person doing those things and it\u0026#39;s just. I think, as all these capabilities come together, it\u0026#39;s going to be a lot like the app store, where people are going to corral these capabilities into a very specific outcome. You know that you can. You know that you can tap into. I mean what a time to be a creative right now, you know, in terms of having vision and being able to pair up with infinite capabilities. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s kind of you know I mean, there\u0026#39;s some interesting insights about that that you\u0026#39;re still constrained by one thing, because that on the receiving end of all this, people can still only think about one thing at a time. Okay, and you know so, you\u0026#39;re not going to speed up anybody\u0026#39;s intelligence on the receiving end. You may speed up your intelligence on the grave, but you\u0026#39;re not going to speed. As a matter of fact, you may be dumbing them down at the other end. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut what I think it\u0026#39;s going to do is big systems. I mean, one of the great big systems that\u0026#39;s been created over the last probably 50, 60 years is air traffic control. So there\u0026#39;s not been a commercial accident in the air. I think it. You know, it may be 15, 20 years, I don\u0026#39;t know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe last time, two planes collided in the air Right, right Like a collision in the air. And there you know, if you go back to the 30s, 40s and 50s, there were quite a few, you know, fog or something and everything like that, and so I think it\u0026#39;s going to be big systems, like big electrical systems. That\u0026#39;s where you\u0026#39;re going to see the impact. I don\u0026#39;t think it\u0026#39;s going to be at the individual level. I think it\u0026#39;s going to be at the big system level, and my sense is the Israelis are doing a lot of this at the big system level and my sense is the Israelis are doing a lot of this. I think the Israelis and you know the precision bombing they\u0026#39;re doing now is really quite extraordinary, like they killed the head of Hezbollah on Friday. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I just saw that. I saw something about that. I didn\u0026#39;t have a chance to dig in, but that guy yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And they? First of all, they phoned everybody in the neighborhood within 500 meters and they said get out within the next 20 minutes because we\u0026#39;re going to be bombing some buildings. So they have everybody\u0026#39;s phone number. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003elike in Beirut and Lebanon, they\u0026#39;ve got everybody\u0026#39;s text number and phone number and they just mail them and says you know, get out of your building because there\u0026#39;s bombs coming, you know. And so it was colossal. They cleared a block. I mean, when you look at it\u0026#39;s three buildings and there\u0026#39;s nothing but rubble and everything like that, well, there are hundreds of people around there. I think two people got killed and you know 50, 50 were injured, but I think you know typically technology leaps ahead in warfare, you know 50-50, we\u0026#39;re injured, but I think you know typically technology leaps ahead in warfare, you know that\u0026#39;s number one. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNumber two is games, you know, and the gaming industry is probably using this extraordinarily quickly and you know, and other forms of entertainment, other forms of entertainment, that\u0026#39;s where it happens. But yeah, I\u0026#39;m not seeing the big jump. You know, I hear, you know Peter Diamandis sends out this is going to happen. And then you extrapolate in a straight line Well, because they\u0026#39;re IQ 120, you know, in five years is going to be IQ 180. But most humans with 180 IQ are pretty worthless yeah you know they can\u0026#39;t change a tire. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know they have problems in practice, right exactly yeah, they become more impractical and it\u0026#39;s not clear that, beyond a certain amount of it, that intelligence is that great an advantage? You know, I don\u0026#39;t know, I\u0026#39;m not, you know I\u0026#39;m, don\u0026#39;t know, I\u0026#39;m not, you know, I\u0026#39;m just not convinced. Yet I mean, I use, you know, perplexity, and you know I really like perplexity because it gives me nice answers to things. I\u0026#39;m interested in, but not once has anything I\u0026#39;ve done on perplexity actually entered into my work. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, you know it\u0026#39;s Stuart Bell who runs my 90-minute book team. You know we were having a conversation about it and you know they\u0026#39;re integrating into the editing process some. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e AI. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So the first two passes of editing are now AI. First two passes of editing are now AI and he was amazed actually at how good it is. Most of the time the editing process is reductive, meaning that there\u0026#39;s less. You put in this many words and you come out with something less than that many words. But this past, the way they\u0026#39;ve got it going now is it actually is a little bit expansive and you come out with about 10 more words than what it was, but reads. But reads very, you know very easily. So so he\u0026#39;s very impressed with the way that\u0026#39;s gone and it happens in moments rather than days of going through a traditional editing process. That was always the biggest time constraint. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Bottleneck is the editing process, but that means that you can only charge less for it. Time constraint, bottleneck is the editing process, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but that means that you can only charge less for it. I mean, let me just pose a counter possibility. Wait a second now yeah, possibility. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I had a lawyer once and he said everything went to hell in the legal industry when fax machines came in, and he was explaining this to me that he said it used to be that you\u0026#39;d go and have a meeting with the client and then you\u0026#39;d go back and he would grant you three or four days to make revisions and then you know, send it by courier and over yeah and he noticed that over the first two years of fax they expected the revisions to be back that day so if things speed up people\u0026#39;s expectations. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ePeople\u0026#39;s expectations jump to saying well, you know, you just ran that through the ai, so why should I pay you for? You know I would. It take you three minutes to do this, you know why should I but? You put yeah. So my sense is that there\u0026#39;s an economic factor that doesn\u0026#39;t increase when the speed increases. Actually, the economic factor decreases as the speed increases. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know it used to be that they gave you two weeks to come up with a. You know a script for a play. Now they want it back an hour after you\u0026#39;ve talked you know, because they say well, we\u0026#39;re not. We know you\u0026#39;re using the ai and so you know we expect it to happen sooner you watch. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean, we\u0026#39;ll just keep track of this on our podcast as we go over yeah, but once you have a tech, once you have a speedier technology, people\u0026#39;s expectation of speed goes up to match what other evidence is there for that? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e what other analogs? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e well, fax machine, yeah, fax machines and an email. Yeah, email very definitely, but the world hasn\u0026#39;t slowed down with faster technology. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, everything\u0026#39;s gotten faster. It\u0026#39;s like sugar. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, sugar. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Everything speeds up. Everything speeds up with sugar. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, exactly, I don\u0026#39;t know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, all I know is, in my 50 years of being an entrepreneur, I don\u0026#39;t feel I\u0026#39;ve ever been at a disadvantage by adjusting to technology slowly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s just I just see now, if you take the through line of where things are going. Like I was really kind of amazed by this couple on that Google Notebook podcast, Like just that as a capability is pretty amazing. You know, I think you know and you\u0026#39;re seeing now, those AI, you know telephony things where you can talk to an AI. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e A lot of it is things in sales they\u0026#39;re doing. Chris johnson yeah, chris johnson in prezone really has an amazing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s a calling service yeah so he had 32 callers and now he\u0026#39;s got five callers and that\u0026#39;s a real noticeable thing. And the software and I he gave a an example is about a minute and a half of the caller calling a woman and she\u0026#39;s got it. It\u0026#39;s. She\u0026#39;s got a slight accent I can\u0026#39;t quite tell what the accent is, you know, and but she\u0026#39;s very responsive. You know she\u0026#39;s very responsive and their voice modulation goes up and down in response to the person who answers the phone call you know, and, as a matter of fact, he\u0026#39;s the person who answered the phone sounded like a real deadhead. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo we were about halfway through and I said to Chris. I said which one\u0026#39;s the robot? I can\u0026#39;t quite tell. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Which one is the? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e robot. The person who answered the phone was just really dead. He was really monotonic and everything like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But the caller. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e She says, oh well, she says you know. She says you indicated interest in finding out more what our company does. And I\u0026#39;m just calling to schedule where we can give you a little bit more information. I\u0026#39;m not the person who does that. I\u0026#39;m just going to set up a meeting where someone can talk to you and it won\u0026#39;t last more than 10 minutes, but they\u0026#39;re really experts, and so I\u0026#39;m looking at the schedule for tomorrow and I\u0026#39;ve got 10 o\u0026#39;clock and I\u0026#39;ve got 3 o\u0026#39;clock. Would one of them be useful for you? He said something like 3 o\u0026#39;clock and I\u0026#39;ve got three o\u0026#39;clock. Would one of them be useful for you? He said you know something like three o\u0026#39;clock. He says, good, I\u0026#39;ll put you in there. And he said you know, we just want to give you the kind of information that would indicate if you want to go further in that and everything like that. So thanks a lot for this and it was really good. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut that that AI program can make 25,000 calls a minute. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s crazy isn\u0026#39;t it? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e In other words, if people answered the phone as a result of sending this out, you could have 1,000 people talking at the same time. Now, I see that as a real breakthrough. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, agreed, I mean that\u0026#39;s kind of ridiculous. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ebut yeah you think about that? I you know, when I started out in real estate I would do. I was making a hundred cold calls a day, but I was doing a survey. Was my, was my approach right? So I was saying the same thing. My idea was that I was going to call through the phone book for Georgetown, but I didn\u0026#39;t want to, and then I would make a record of I had little or D, and I would only, of course, then follow up with the ones who were willing, happy and had a potential need in the future. That was my game plan and I would make these calls. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI was just thinking now how easy it would be for an AI to do that now, like I would just call people. I\u0026#39;d say hey, mr Sullivan, it\u0026#39;s Dean Jackson calling from Royal LePage. We\u0026#39;re doing a quick area market survey. I wonder if you have a minute to be included, and most of the time they\u0026#39;d say no, or sometimes they\u0026#39;d say yes. But even if they said no, or I would just say it\u0026#39;s just five questions that take one minute, I promise, and most people would go along with that and then I would just ask them have you lived in Georgetown for more than five years and how many years in your current house and how\u0026#39;d you happen to choose Georgetown? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then, if you were to move, would you stay within Georgetown or would you move out of the area? And then, whatever they said, I said when would that be? When would that be? That was the punchline of the whole thing and it was so. You know, it was so amazing, but I could you imagine making 25 000 of those calls in one minute. You call george, every household in geor, those calls in one minute. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou call every household in Georgetown in one minute and identify all the people who were, because I could imagine an AI saying having that exact interaction that I just shared with you, right? Oh yeah, just the yeah, we\u0026#39;re just doing an area market survey. Wonder if you\u0026#39;d have a minute. It\u0026#39;s just five questions, one minute, I promise, and then go right into it. I mean that\u0026#39;s pretty amazing. You know, if that\u0026#39;s a possibility, that\u0026#39;s a pretty. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think you know. I mean, here\u0026#39;s where you\u0026#39;re. You know we\u0026#39;re at the crawling stage with it, but again it all depends on whether people answer the phone or not, right? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We\u0026#39;re finding about a third. So we\u0026#39;ve got a lot of our realtors and others are, you know, following up with people who request books. So when they dial about a third of the people will answer the phone. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Basically you just never reach me. But yeah, my sense about this is that there\u0026#39;s very definitely an increase in quantity and I\u0026#39;m not convinced yet that there\u0026#39;s an increase in quality, you know right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eRight, you know quality of experience and so, for example, you know quality of experience and so, for example, what Hamish McDonald was sending me had to do with the piece of legislation, because there\u0026#39;s something that they want to do and it requires following the rules of government ministry. But it was a little too cheerful and enthusiastic. I found the couple\u0026#39;s talk. There would be no negatives in it. And I\u0026#39;ve never had any experience with government that didn\u0026#39;t have a negative in it. So, from a possibility. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I wonder if you could have. I wonder if you could, you know, prompt one person to take the positive one, to take the negative or debate it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, debate fun to take the negative or debate it. Yeah, you know, debate could be, you know, yeah, but my, my sense is that we get better at spotting dishonesty. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know like yeah, my sense, I think one of the like I. I have people who use ai all the time and you know, and they send me something and I read it and then we have a discussion over the over Zoom usually, and I\u0026#39;ll say I didn\u0026#39;t quite get it from what you wrote. There was something missing from. So I\u0026#39;m just going to ask you a whole bunch of questions like content wise. But the context is the real. You know, context is hard to grasp unless you\u0026#39;re telling the truth, you know, and the reason is because you have to be touching about 10 different points, and one of the things I find with perplexity the AI is I\u0026#39;ve got this sort of way of approaching and perplexity always has to tell me 10 things about the subject I\u0026#39;m interested in. Okay, so 10 things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eFor example, I asked, I put in 10 reasons why evs are not being adopted as quickly as was predicted okay and 10 and phew, 10 of them, and you could see that each of them was a little bit of a game stopper. But when you put all 10 of them together it really gave you a sense of why there\u0026#39;s a lot of late nights in the EV world right now, trying to figure out why things aren\u0026#39;t happening as fast as they could be. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo that\u0026#39;s a contextual answer. It\u0026#39;s not just, and what I\u0026#39;ve discovered from working with perplexity is there\u0026#39;s no reason. There\u0026#39;s no one reason for anything in the world. There\u0026#39;s always at least 10 reasons why something happens or why something doesn\u0026#39;t happen, and everything else. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m being educated. I\u0026#39;m being educated, but it\u0026#39;s just something that\u0026#39;s developed in the relationship between me and the AI. You know, because if you say what are the reasons why AI is not or E-MAT being adopted as quickly as we thought, I think the answer that came back would be very different from my tell me 10 reasons, because it just does what you ask it to do. That\u0026#39;s exactly it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e All of it has to. You have to have somebody driving. Yeah, holy cow, it\u0026#39;s top of the hour. Dan, that\u0026#39;s so funny. I put up a post on Facebook today about just before we got. I told you, ai makes things happen faster it really does just even our real life conversation when you talk about AI, the hour just speeds by. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It really does anyway. Yeah well, you know it\u0026#39;s a forever subject because we\u0026#39;re going to be with it from now on. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that\u0026#39;s true, yeah. Yeah, love it All right. Well, you have a great day, all right, and I will talk to you next week. Okay, Thanks, Bye. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In this episode of Welcome to Cloulandia, We delve into a range of topics, starting with the impact of natural disasters like hurricanes, discussing their unpredictable effects and the challenges of recovery in affected areas. The conversation transitions into a discussion about health, where insights on traditional Chinese medicine and its approach to addressing common illnesses are shared. We highlight how ancient practices like herbal treatments and scraping therapy remain relevant today.  \r\n\r\nWe then explore a fascinating scientific discussion on fructose and its historical role in human survival, as well as its connection to modern health issues like diabetes and dementia. The implications of diet and sugar consumption are examined with insights from experts who have dedicated their careers to studying these links.  \r\n\r\nTurning to technology, We discuss the evolving role of artificial intelligence (AI), highlighting its potential in creative and practical applications\r\n","date_published":"2024-10-23T08:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/e4c32b33-99c7-4e8a-8503-5cdb90fa73fa.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":53316498,"duration_in_seconds":3306}]},{"id":"e1f187cf-b441-468f-bbab-1038bb208915","title":"Ep135:Navigating Personal Bonds and Political Views","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/135","content_text":"In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, Dan and I have a thought-provoking discussion on balancing political views with interpersonal dynamics. \n\nDean shares delightful tales from mingling with influencers in Toronto, like Joe Polish and Evan Carmichael.\n\nThe intersection of politics and entertainment is examined using Taylor Swift as an example to explore the idea of keeping various domains of life separate. \n\nDan emphasizes the growing importance for political figures to focus on their designated roles. \n\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\n\n\n    We discuss the balance between political views and personal relationships, sharing anecdotes from our own experiences and the importance of keeping these domains separate.\n    Dean shares stories from his recent social gatherings in Toronto with influencers like Joe Polish and Evan Carmichael, highlighting the social dynamics of such events.\n    We explore the intersection of politics and entertainment, using Taylor Swift's political expressions as a case study, and reflect on how public opinion can be influenced by celebrity endorsements.\n    We examine the underlying economic factors driving societal changes, emphasizing the costs of money, energy, labor, and transportation as key drivers beyond political discourse.\n    Dan highlights the resilience of the entrepreneurial spirit in adapting to political landscapes and the role of the U.S. Constitution in shaping American society.\n    We take a nostalgic journey back to the 1950s, discussing cultural elements like TV dinners and the Mickey Mouse Club, and how these shaped our personal stories.\n    We reflect on dietary changes and the shift towards healthier habits, sharing insights on the enduring freshness of certain foods and the importance of sustainable eating practices.\n    We emphasize the importance of building good habits, using personal anecdotes to illustrate how small, consistent changes can have a profound impact over time.\n    We explore the concept of accountability buddies and consistent routines in managing personal health, highlighting the significance of protein intake and balanced diets.\n    We conclude with a philosophical reflection on human nature and the challenges of making lasting lifestyle changes, underscoring the importance of long-term vision and ethical behavior.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\n\nDean: There we go, mr Sullivan. Ah, much better. Okay, great that was my AirPods for some reason. Or, staticky, you're not the first one to say it, so I'll just put it on. We'll go old-fashioned here, just on speaker. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, sometimes old fashioned here just on speaker. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, sometimes old fashioned works, you know, sometimes yeah, I can give you an example. \n\nDan: I can give you an example Oxygen you know, been around for a while. Most people don't give it a thought. Most people don't give a thought, and yet, and yet, it's. \n\nDean: I find I appreciate it, you know of a thought and yet, and yeah, that's yeah, I find I appreciate it. You know well, I have, you know, as you know, I have a new appreciation for oxygen, whereas a couple of years ago my lack of oxygen was a problem. \n\nBut yes, yeah I fully appreciate oxygen. We were saying how we just so everybody knows we had a little false start on the cast. We had static, so the first minute or so was we decided to switch over to this mode here. But we're saying I'm in Toronto right now, as is Dan. We had a nice brunch yesterday and I was sharing with Dan that. I had dinner with Joe Polish last night and Evan Carmichael and Chad Jenkins and Krista and I can't remember her last name, dan, but she lives in Vancouver and South Africa. Yeah, she's in 10 times. \n\nDan: Well, anyway, I was noticing, I was just looking. They've been doing the polls on Taylor Swift coming down on the side and it's made absolutely no difference. It's made absolutely no difference. One way or the other, it hasn't made any difference, and what it tells me is that the vote is sort of locked in for the presidential. \n\nDean: Yeah, it was locked in. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's made a difference for her in that there's a lot of people who are getting rid of their Taylor. \n\nSwift tickets and get off. When you get off the trail you're in the weeds, get back down as much as you can. You know, and it's not particularly anything to do with this particular election, but my sense is there's a there's a growing desire on the part of people that if you're in one area of life, stay in that area of life. Don't come and, you know, don't make all of life a political stew you know, like you know everything else. \n\nDean: And you know I wonder if there's any examples where that has worked out for people in anyone I was mentioning yesterday at the brunch that you know reminds me of the dixie chicks debacle in 2001. Yeah, and the documentary you know that came out afterwards. Shut up and sing but what, uh? \n\nDan: and that was before. \n\nDean: You know that was really, that was before the internet and cancel culture. So that was mainstream media driving that. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just say, you know, I like my categories distinct and separate. I don't want the you know, I don't want them all mixing up with each other and you know, and I by the same token, in the political realm, I would prefer that the politicos, you know, the people who run for office and run office. They don't attach themselves to other areas of life. You know, just do your politicking and, you know, be good at it and when the time comes, get out. And, you know, work on your handicap. You know. \n\nAnd yeah, it's interesting, you know, and yeah it's interesting, and I think what it is? It's the technological, the easy technological means to mix things together. You know, I mean you see a series of five second flashes or two second flashes and it's like everything that's important is everything else and nothing means anything more than anything else, and that's not really true, you know. I mean, that's not true for any person. There's definitely things that are more important than other things, and I just don't like being told that you should mix everything together. \n\nDean: I agree, I mean the whole yeah, it is. Yeah, I think you're right, Stay in their lanes. We don't want everything, yeah all, becoming moral issues or anything you know. \n\nDan: Well, they all become political issues. The problem is, everything is reduced to a common denominator, that everything has a political meaning, and you know there are those who you know who do that. But I don't do that, you know I have great friends who I know I have great friends that don't vote the way that I do and the way they vote has no bearing whatsoever on my friendship with them. \n\nDean: Yes yes, I agree A hundred percent. \n\nDan: As long as they don't bring up the subject. \n\nDean: They don't try and convert you Exactly. \n\nDan: No. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I find that same thing. That's really. I mean remember it used to be more you know. It used to be like a private matter kind of thing. Right, like people would. You'd never really discuss it, but now it's like everything. Everybody's got a megaphone and everybody's very especially on the polls. I think we're definitely more polarized than I remember us being. \n\nI just remember the debate the other night. Watching the debate was just such a series of you're a liar, no, you're a liar. No, you lied about this, you're a liar and the whole. I mean, that's all it was. My favorite ever debate moment was Obama-Romney in 2008. Obama was responding to Romney suggesting that under his you know, maybe it was 2012. \n\nDan: Yeah, probably it was McCain in 2008. \n\nDean: Yeah, because under he was proposing that under Obama the Navy had less ships than they did in 1910. And Obama, just without skipping a beat, said yeah, that's right, and there's also less horses and bayonets. I don't know if you noticed, but they have this new thing called aircraft carriers where we can actually fly the planes right off of the ships. I mean it was just so funny that bring, there's less horses and bayonets. I mean that's pretty funny. \n\nThat was probably prepared for. You know you like to think that's off the cuff, but I think that had to have been what could possibly mitt accuse us of, or maybe he said no what? \n\nDan: what I suspect is what I suspect is that uh mitt had tried to line out previously in some other situation yeah, and you know, you know which goes to show. You only try your lines out for the first time, right? \n\nDean: Don't do it for the second time. \n\nDan: Right, yeah, yeah, so anyway. But I think what happens is that I was noticing that there's a real distinction between Trump, on the one hand, and Obama. Is that everybody feels they know Trump? And very few people feel they know her and even after 90 minutes of a debate, you still don't have a handle on who this person is. You know who is she is, you know and, and yeah, and I think that in the end they're going to, they're going to vote for the known quantity Risky. \n\nDean: It's going to be various things that I'm seeing. That's my take. \n\nDan: I mean, you know, that's my take anyway. \n\nDean: The things I'm seeing now on my algorithm. What they're presenting to me is the I saw, you know, side by side or above and below video of her saying one thing, you know in 2020 or 2022 or whatever it was in the past, saying taking a hard stance on something, and then, in 2024, saying exactly the opposite of what she said in the you know in that time, and so very well done of letting her, in her own words, show how she's flip-flopping. \n\nDan: Yeah, I mean, I'm a straight ticket voter. My first election was 68, and that was. They changed the voting age when I was 24, the in 64, so I was 20 years old and the voting age at that time was 21. And then they changed it in the next four years, so I the first time I voted was 68 and I've been straight ticket ever since then you know, why tell you know, why Tell me, you know why I'm straight ticking. It's simpler. \n\nDean: It's simpler. \n\nDan: This is who I am. Yeah, it's like we're wearing the same clothes every day Having the same uniform. But the whole point of it is that I vote on the basis of entrepreneurism. Which party seems to be more supportive of entrepreneurism? And it's definitely one and not the other, and it's been that way for 32, 56 years. It's been that way for 56 years. So that's my criteria for voting. It's the same thing here in Canada. You know, because I voted both countries, because I'm a citizen of both countries. \n\nDean: Oh, very nice, and you are too, and you are too, and you are too, I am too. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, if you care to exercise your vote. My franchise, they call it. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: Your franchise. Yeah, but it's Peter Zion who I'm a great fan of and he said you know, the United States as a country, as a landmass, you know, given their position in the world geographically and looking at their demographics, have so much going for them that Americans are the only people in the world who can treat domestic politics strictly as a form of popular entertainment. Domestic politics strictly as a form of popular entertainment. And you know, and that's what I get, is that there's, you know, and I wrote a book about two quarters ago called the Great Meltdown, and what I said is that probably politics is secondary to the cost of four things the cost of money how much does it cost to have money? Interest rates, you know, what kind of return on money do you have? The second thing is energy cost of labor. So that's m e, l, and then t is transportation, and in every case the united states has the lowest cost on the planet and that means that that's going to determine things. \n\nThose four costs money, energy, labor and transportation are going to be the dominant factor and I think that politics is a dog that's being pulled together, pulled forward by those four, you know, by those four factors in society. People don't really, they don't experience them necessarily that way, but they experience that things were better four years ago than they are today. \n\nYou, know, somehow they have a feeling about that, and so you know. So it's like the ocean. Everybody talks about the waves and the wind, but really it's the current that makes the difference. And I think economic factors are not winds and waves, they're the current. Oh, that's interesting. The news is about waves and wind and storms and everything else, but that's not what determines things. \n\nDean: That makes a lot of sense. Yes, yeah, the currents are what goes underneath, as always moving in a direction for sure. I remember when Oliver Stone did the movie on Putin, where it was like an interview type of series. I don't know whether we've talked about that or whether you saw it, but his whole he was saying, you know, because Putin has seen so many presidents come and go all the way since the first Bush, right, he's just been the constant. \n\nAnd his analysis was that he sees all these men come and they have, you know, the desire for change and they have ideas for change, and the people, you know, they present those ideas and the people vote for them. But as soon as they get into office, what he called the men in the suits come and tell them how it really is, and then there is no change, and that's the current I think that you're talking about is, and then there is no change, and that's the current I think that you're talking about. Everybody would talk about the deep state or the you know the thing, the behind the scenes, the big picture stuff that you know it's mostly the whoever's at the helm is really winds and waves, you know yeah. \n\nDan: Do you think that this was truly an understanding of the united states or he was just reflecting what was true? \n\nDean: in the Kremlin, maybe I mean, but it seems so Because my theory is that there's bureaucratic families in Russia today. \n\nDan: You know they're the result of intermarriage over a century. They were the behind the scenes people when the czar was there. They were the behind the scenes people when the czar was there they were the behind the scenes people, and they don't have political views, they just have a way of getting things done, you know, like and, and the survival of their family is the most important thing. \n\nRemember I'll switch countries here remember that guy who went on a murder streak in Norway and he walked into the parliament and he shot up the Norwegian parliament and then ran out and then he took a boat over to an island where he really did some damage and I think he killed a large number of sort of teenage children, and these were all the children of the people who were the bureaucrats. They were. You know they were upper echelon people, but they were government bureaucrats. They were sort of faceless people. \n\nDean: You didn't know them. \n\nDan: And he says you don't make any change unless you kill the bureaucrats. He says you don't kill the politicians, you kill the bureaucrats, they're the. You don't kill the politicians, you kill the bureaucrats, they're the ones you want to kill. Yeah, and kill the next generation. And the Norwegians, of course, don't have death penalties. So he's up, you know, working on his rubric cube or something. But it's really interesting. A lot of people don't think of that. I bet in Washington there's families who were upper echelon people in 1900, and they're still upper echelon and they intermarry like aristocracy. \n\nThere's bureaucratic aristocracy and they intermarry and everything else, but they're never seen. They're never seen. You never know who these people are, but they do have power really in any way. \n\nDean: And you know, I just look at how little, and I don't know. This may be ignorant, but how little it seems to have an impact on my life in a way that I can do anything about it. You know, and that's where I think entrepreneur, capitalism like as long as capitalism's allowed and we're allowed to pursue our self-interest, that's really the biggest driver of everything. \n\nDan: Yeah, we're making money on election day, right Personal agency right of our own outcomes. Yeah, you know, and I've been talking. You know there are people who are just the opposite of you and they're intensely involved in it and they said you know what happens if all the people we don't like get elected? And I said you'll have a good, you'll have a good entrepreneurial year. \n\nDean: It's being adaptable. Right, You've got to deal with what the situation is, what the current is. \n\nDan: Yeah, but my take is that if you spend some time reading the Constitution, and there's a lot of neat videos, educational videos Probably the best source of this is Hillsdale College. It's a college in Michigan and their whole thing is that America is a unique country because of the Constitution, and so they put a lot of effort, they put a lot of money, they put a lot of time into making sure that the students really comprehend what the Constitution really does. \n\nDean: And. \n\nDan: I've not been there but I've. You know I became interested in it because it's not much bigger now than it was when it was enacted in the 17th, and you know it's not. It's changed very little. It's changed very little. I heard the phrase that, if you typed up the Constitution in 1789, I think is when it was enacted a single space so a single space typed, it would be 23 pages in 1789. \n\nDean: And if you were to do it? \n\nDan: today it would be 27 pages. They've added four pages in 230 years, almost 250 years, and in the very first paragraph of the Constitution it says this is the supreme law of the land. Okay, so the Constitution, that document, is the supreme law of the land. \n\nNothing else can be higher than the Constitution. And then they put in a whole set of rules where it becomes very difficult to change the Constitution. So if you have an amendment to the Constitution, you got to get two-thirds of the House of Representatives to vote for it, two-thirds of the Senate and then three-quarters of all the state legislatures, so roughly, you know 37 states. The legislature would have to vote for it. And it better be a persuasive amendment. \n\nDean: Better be compelling. \n\nDan: Yeah, exactly, yeah, that's you know, and everybody tears their, you know, and everybody rips their clothing and tears the thing and they said, yeah, but it's a bunch of white guys in the 1700s and I said yeah but they did a good job. You know there was about. There's maybe about 3 million of them you know, total population 3 million and they were just the Atlantic seaboard and look where it is now. I think they did a good job. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, exactly. I think you're absolutely right. That's kind of the thing. At the underpinning of it is the individual pursuit of it's all about the individual. \n\nDan: It's all about the individual. Yeah, the whole thing is geared to give individuals unique freedom to develop themselves. Yeah, so I'm kind of for that and that helps. \n\nDean: That's kind of like you know, that's appealing to entrepreneurs yeah, I'm I the direction that's going in. \n\nDan: I'm inclined toward that direction. I kind of like that direction yeah. And so my sense is there isn't much that will happen in any election that's going to alter a 250-year momentum in a particular direction. I just don't think there's much. I mean it might be useful for entertainment purposes and everything else, and I vote. I always make sure I vote, but I go to bed at 9 o'clock. On Election Day and I just check the results in the morning Three weeks later to see who won. \n\nNo, I get up the next morning and I check in. \n\nDean: In any case, the last few times it's been. You know the real. No matter who won air quotes, it's always some question and contested and you know it'll be weeks before the final decision is made, kind of thing. \n\nDan: Well, I just think it's a poor career choice where you get paid for being outraged. \n\nDean: Yeah right. \n\nDan: Yeah, I think you know I really haven't developed this thought very much, but I think so much of the complexity of society today is that there's just so many of us and we're electronically empowered. \n\nDean: Well, you hit it on the head right there that there's so many of us with a megaphone, that everybody has the megaphone, everybody has reach to all the others and you can collectively get on a you know, collectively gather momentum with you know what everybody is saying. You and I were talking at brunch yesterday. I've been reading the Same as Ever book by Morgan Housel that she recommended and it's fascinating. It really is interesting and yeah, that kind of you know. All of this is the same as ever. \n\nEverybody's been the winds and the waves have always gone in one direction, but the current is everything. Have always gone in one direction, but the current is everything. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, I mean he makes a really great case for evolution. He says you know, evolution. He says it's roughly about 3.8 billion years that we can from the early, I guess the earliest cell life. \n\nHe's using that as the starting point and he says you know, a lot of things have gotten worked out over 3.8 billion that you probably can't reverse. You know 3.8 billion. So it would behoove you to pay attention in what direction evolution is going and basically how it operates. Basically how it operates and it's you know, and it doesn't have to make big changes at any point along the way. It just makes, you know, thousands of little changes, little alterations, but they're not reversible, unnoticeable, yeah yeah, yeah. \n\nAnd you know and I can appreciate that, being in my ninth decade, I can appreciate that that I made decisions when I was 12 years old that were good decisions, and I'm profiting from these decisions 75, 80 years later. \n\nDean: Yeah, that is so funny. Yeah, it's amazing if you think all the way back like that. You know the decisions when you were 12 years old were in the heart of the 50s Right, the golden. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah it was. That was a golden era Boy that was a TV's in every car and every drive, yeah, tv dinners, yeah, yeah, especially, especially the TV dinners. Yeah, especially the TV dinners. You know, that was a big deal. And you know Mickey Mouse Club you know Right. I mean and that. \n\nDean: What more do you? \n\nDan: want. Right, mine was what's her name? Last name was Tracy, oh, doreen, tracy, doreen. \n\nDean: Tracy, okay, yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: Apparently, she was the most popular and she's the only one I met. I spent about three days of her traveling as a USO show in Korea in 1966, 1910. It was neat, you know, just having her. She was you know, she was 10. She was, you know, 20 and everything else. She was 10, she was 20 and everything else. But a nice person, very talkative and really self-reflective. I sense that this is a person who thinks about things very deeply. And she said you know, this is my last entertainment event, what we're doing here in South Korea with the USO show, which is the nonprofit organization that provides hospitality and entertainment for US military. And she said you know, I'm not. \n\nI was as talented at 12 as I am today and said I haven't gotten any more talented but, I was more talented at that time than other 12 year olds. So she said I got to be a mom. But she says I, you know. She says I've hit my head on the ceiling of being talented, and now I have to. \n\nNow I have to go back and I have to start a new career and she went back and she became a talent manager for Warner Brothers and she was from that period, you know, when she went back, when she started doing that, right straight through until she was 65 and she was well regarded as a, you know, a really first class talent manager. She had Frank Zappa. Frank Zappa was one of her. You know assignments? Okay, yeah, because he was with Warner Brothers. He was with Warner Brothers recording. \n\nDean: Oh wow, very interesting. \n\nDan: Yeah, but I found her a very, you know, very upbeat, very positive person, very engaging sort of person. You know, just three days about five shows and that was it. I never thought about it again until the Internet came along and I you know, just you know, I just looked her up and yeah, she had done that. And then when she retired from Warner Brothers she started a jazz and blues club in Hollywood and then she died about eight years later, she died of cancer. \n\nDean: Oh yeah. \n\nDan: But it was for someone I was. You know, I was right in there with Mickey Mouse Club when I was 12 years old. \n\nDean: Yeah, you were. That's who the show was for. Yeah. \n\nDan: Right, yeah, yeah, I mean you had Pepsi, you had chips and you had Hostess Twinkie. I mean you had Pepsi, you had chips and you had Hostess Twinkie. \n\nDean: I mean it's a balanced meal. Yeah, a balanced meal. Wow, twinkie's been around that long, yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: I'll tell you something. I talked to a nutritionist at Canyon Ranch about the Twinkie. And he said if you had a Twinkie from 1956, you had never opened the package. And he said you went down to the supermarket right now and you bought yourself a this year's Twinkie. And you opened them up. There's no difference. They taste the same the one from 1956 is just as fresh as the one that you bought this afternoon. \n\nDean: Like Pop-Tarts. That's what Jerry Seinfeld said they never go stale. \n\nDan: they can't go stale because they were never fresh they were yeah, okay, the prize is find an organic part of a twinkie. \n\nDean: There's nothing organic about this treat joe was just telling me about this research that's all coming out now about seed oils and things that he's talking about. I think there's a book called Dark Calories I think is what it is but some crazy amount of our calories in the normal American diet like over 30% of our calories come from these oils? \n\nDan: Yes, exactly, yeah, you know like corn oil canola oil. Yeah, and all the. You know the difference. Yeah, I mean, that's one thing. That Babs got on about a year ago Only butter. Either olive oil or butter? Yeah, butter. And that steak yesterday was good with the butter, wasn't it it? \n\nDean: really was. Yeah, so we should tell we found a new. For years we have been going to the same two places Jacques here in Yorkville, or Le Select Bistro for our Saturday, and we tried for the first time in frenchie, frenchie in, which is essentially in the lobby of the hilton hotel in the business district, in the business yeah, so we had some interesting experiences, but that steak was really well was the steak was really good yeah, yeah, and it was medium rare, it was perfectly medium rare, and I particularly, and they knife selection ceremony steak knife selection yeah, and he brought a box of this. \n\nDan: This is kevin brought the steak knives and he opened it up and and I said there were six of them, and I said do you, kevin, do you recommend one of these which? \n\nDean: one do you recommend? \n\nDan: he said I think this year, I think this was a good year, so I think I picked up one of them, you know I over tipped him because he was responsive. \n\nDean:\nHe was very, very responsive. He really was responsive. \n\nDan: Yeah, because they had a rule that breakfast ended at 11, but lunch didn't start until 1130. And I said so do we have to wait? And he says no. He says do whatever you want Order whatever you want and I'll take care of it, but anyway, it was really good. And I'm really hooked on steak. You're the. You're the fault of this. \n\nDean: You know you're the cause because you convinced that it's my inch, I got you on blue t-shirts and now steaks. This is all, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah I'm working on fountain. I change your direction. \n\nDan: I change in your direction slow enough that you don't get a big head about it. \n\nDean: Right, oh, that's great. I love that. Slow enough that I don't get a big head about it. \n\nDan: That's right yeah. \n\nDean: That's funny. \n\nDan: No, but I'm not seeing a huge difference. I mean I never got in trouble. I mean, like I'm not someone who huge difference. I never got in trouble. I'm not someone who is in big trouble physically and everything else, but the weight goes up over time. Right now, I'm about 15 pounds heavier than when I graduated from high school and I was in good shape because I played three sports you know all four years. I was always in a sports team and during the summers I caddied at the golf course. \n\nDean: So that kept me in good shape. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, and but the thing about it was I eat very well at meals. It's between meals that get me into trouble. And that's because of that's because of cravings. And I noticed that if you eat a lot of beef, you don't have cravings. That's the truth. \n\nDean: That is absolutely true. The satiety is high. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: Yes, yeah, I find that too. But I also find, dan, like I've been, you, doing, uh, carnivore for the last little while here, and I noticed a difference, like in terms of that. But there have been times. It's not a, it's not a straight path to the moon here. There's some veering of things and I noticed that even the slightest little. You introduce something into a thing and it gets a foothold. You're right that the cravings and the easy to veer off path for a little while Low enough that you don't notice it. \n\nDan: There's a part of us that has to be a watchdog. There's part of us that has to be vigilant. You know, and and you know and I think they're good habits. Basically, the watchdogs are good habits and and you know that it's an interesting thing about people who have good habits and they're, you know, using other descriptions about them they're ethical, they're moral you know they're law abiding, and what they found is that those people have the best sense of a long future. \n\nThey find that morality and legality and everything that we admire in people is actually a function of how long their future is, how far they can see, and they can see that something they do today either supports their positive long future or it would undermine it. And one of the tests they've done is inner city children who are members of gangs Okay, robbery of some sort and what they find is that their sense of the future is never more than 24 hours. Is that their sense of the future is never more than 24 hours? And so they say, if I do this now, can I be in trouble in 24 hours? \n\nAnd you know, you stop some kid on the street, you force him to take off his sneakers or his jacket. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: Are you going to get in trouble in 24 hours? Probably not, wow. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, so you're being moral and being ethical and being law abiding is a function of how clear you are about a longer future, where today's actions really matter. \n\nDean: Yes, well, that brings you know. That's funny. That kind of ties in with what you. We were talking in Palm Beach six months ago about this behaviors right. Bringing bringing their here, meaning just identifying what are the. It was just kind of funny that the timing of it because I was sharing with you that I had looked at the. You know, if you look at here and look backwards and say what are the behaviors and habits that got me to here, I heard somebody say one time if you look around, just take it all in, look around you and everything that is a reality in your life right now. This is what all of your past decisions created, right. All your past decisions and behaviors led to this moment, everything you have right. And I thought, yeah, when you shared with me the bringing there here is looking forward and identifying if this, if I could describe the here I want, the now that I want, what does that look like in the here, what are the behaviors that support that future? \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah. And I think the big thing is what are your habits today? That would be the habits you would want 20 years from now. Which habits do you have already formed? And then that picture of you 20 years from now. If you look at a day in the life of you say, well, I want this habit. And then you have to say, well, if I'm going to have the habits, then I might as well start those habits today. \n\nYou know, you know yeah, and and that what I mean habits is that you do the right thing without thinking about it yeah, and the cape, I mean the things, it's. \n\nDean: So I was had, uh, breakfast with joe this morning. We were talking about, you know, six, six months ago I really had no idea how to cook, or it's hard to say. I see you that you got you know 57 or eight years into my life and never really learned to cook or anything. And now, you know, between my instant pot and my air fryer, you know I'm cooking up a storm here, making delicious steaks and chicken and salmon, everything. What a life changing like skill and it's just a natural thing. \n\nNow I know I've got the whole process. It's a habit. I know I've got the whole process. It's a habit, you know. Once you know the habit, it's the. You know the process. I do it all kind of in to preheat for three minutes and while that three minutes is happening, I'm seasoning the steak with salt pepper and just a little bit of Montreal steaks rub and then by the time I get that done, the air fryer is preheated. I just put it in for, depending on how thick it is, three or four minutes per side and then it's done. So the whole ordeal is, you know, 13 minutes from the idea of having a steak to your first bite. \n\nDan: And so you know, and now you're becoming an internet influencer yeah, that's exactly right, that's right, that's exactly right. Yeah, yeah, rabbi jackson. Oh, there's rabbi jackson again. Yeah, but you know, this is how we learn from each other you know yeah, I mean he doesn't mention it. Morgan Housel, in the book you're reading, same as ever, but I've seen it many times that the two main habits that humans have that move things forward are one imitation see something that somebody else is doing, and then repetition you get a good thing going and then you just repeat and repeat. \n\nAnd it's so interesting. I saw a little. I was going through the news programs this morning and there was a commercial and it was Bill Gates was a commercial, and it was bill gates, and and you know, and here's bill gates, you know, and he really is truly boring, he was born boring. He's a very boring, he's a very boring thing. But you know he's boring with 50, 50 billion or 100 billion, whatever the amount of money he has. \n\nDean: But now he's saying sorry, go ahead. I said sorry, go ahead. \n\nDan: Yeah, I think that. And he's saying there's no question now, we just have to get rid of fossil fuels. Yeah, he says we've come to the point now and it's just. And then he brings in all sorts of people who are talking about the breakthroughs that will be possible, and Anthony Fauci is one of them on the program and everything like that. \n\nBut the question is, Bill, you were using fossil fuels to go to Jeffrey Epstein's island. What was that all about, oh boy? What was that all about, oh man? What was that all about, oh man? I don't know if he ever went to the island, but he hung out with him in New. York City. \n\nAnd you know, and yeah so, so anyway, but you know, I think we're coming back. I just have a sense. Maybe it's just me that I'm becoming aware of something, but I have a sense because the things that are being talked about, like the Morgan Household book you know there are some things that you can bet on are always going to operate in a certain direction. You know, and I get a sense, we're getting there, I mean. But I'm, you know, I'm into new things. You know I'm creating more new things at 80 than I was at 50, and I'm involved in more new things at 80 than I was at 50. \n\nAnd I'm involved in more new things at 80 than I was at 50. So I don't think it's just my sense of what's happening to me. I get a sense from reading the news and everything like that that it's not so easy to change human nature. \n\nDean: Yeah, I think you're right, but it's also yeah, that's why it's when you make these gradual changes, natural selection of better habits kind of thing, make a big impact. You know like I think, yeah, yeah, the natural selection, yeah, I mean I never got. \n\nDan: You know, I've been influenced basically because I get full medicals, you know, with David. Hasse, I mean top to bottom medicals and you know, he says, you know you're carrying too much weight, you've got too much fat. And I said, and he says, you know, think about this, think about that. And I said I'm not going to do anything where my weight loss is more than a pound a week and so I started the steak. \n\nSteak diet you know, yesterday I had steak for breakfast, steak for lunch, steak for dinner. Other things too, you know, had some small potatoes. I had broccoli and French fries with you. \n\nDean: And anyway. \n\nDan: and but I mean, if you look ahead 20 weeks and you're 20 pounds down, that's a big deal. I don't want to take on an unnatural diet for a period of time and then go back to my old diet. I want my entire habits of eating to change permanently of eating to change permanently. \n\nDean: What I've learned from JJ Virgin is that it really is about the protein first, of getting the amount of protein for your target weight, kind of. That's the thing. That number one priority is getting 180 grams of protein, you know, and then and then adding on whatever, while staying in that your caloric thing. But I find that, man, if you're eating that amount of protein, the protein is the satiety thing that it just is the gift that keeps on giving. You know, you don't get those. It's the most. \n\nDan: Even burning, yeah and it's where the, where the muscle comes from yes, exactly, yeah, yeah, so well, that's interesting. \n\nDean: That that's a really good. Do you measure? Do you wait? How often do you weigh yourself? \n\nDan: every day, every morning yeah okay, I've got a little journal and I log in. \n\nDean: I've got a little journal and I, yeah, yeah that's been a big thing. I have the the. You know my JJ has really been my accountability buddy in all of this. I chart everything that I eat and chart my weight every day and my sleep score and my steps. \n\nAnd I, you know, send a little photo, photo story to her every day and that, yeah, it's good to chart and see the the progress you know I had an interesting and a friend who has maintained his weight at a in a you know five pound band for band for as long as I've known him and he shared that at one point. He stays between 178 and 182 or three as the band that he's in constantly. And he told me he got up to 230 pounds at one point, wow yeah, and then he lost all the weight. He got up to 230 pounds at one point, wow yeah, and then he lost all the weight, got down to 180 as his ideal. \n\nBut he weighs himself every day and he uses a green light, yellow light, red light system that if he's 178 or 179, it's green light, he can eat whatever he wants. If he wants to have dessert, fine. If he wants this, whatever, fine. And if he's 180 or 181, he's yellow light and it's like, just, you know, caution kind of, for taking it easy. But if he gets to 182 it's red light and he has to go, stay on the path until he gets back to 178. So he's never had to lose more than five pounds, you know. So it's a really interesting thing. If he knows he's going on a vacation or something, he'll get to 178 and then do what he wants on vacation and maybe he gains five pounds on vacation, but comes back and immediately on the straight and narrow. Slow and steady wins the race. \n\nDan: Yeah, this is Dean and Dan having a deep philosophy hour. This was the Sunday philosophy hour with Dean and Dan, that's right. \n\nDean: The double D philosophy hour. That's right. \n\nDan: Yeah, the Calry philosophy hour. Anyway but that's great. Then we'll be able to chat again this evening Over some meat, Over some meat. Yeah you you're gonna have to do with burgers tonight that's right, familiar. \n\nDean: But anyway. So all you guys are more or less coming together, I guess right probably well, joe, yep, joe and me and chad, I think we'll all be over together. All righty, it's all very exciting, dan, I will see you in a few hours. \n\nDan: Thank you okay. Thanks, dean. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, Dan and I have a thought-provoking discussion on balancing political views with interpersonal dynamics. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eDean shares delightful tales from mingling with influencers in Toronto, like Joe Polish and Evan Carmichael.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe intersection of politics and entertainment is examined using Taylor Swift as an example to explore the idea of keeping various domains of life separate. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eDan emphasizes the growing importance for political figures to focus on their designated roles. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul style=\"list-style-type: circle;\"\u003e\n\u003c/center\u003e\n\u003cul\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe discuss the balance between political views and personal relationships, sharing anecdotes from our own experiences and the importance of keeping these domains separate.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eDean shares stories from his recent social gatherings in Toronto with influencers like Joe Polish and Evan Carmichael, highlighting the social dynamics of such events.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe explore the intersection of politics and entertainment, using Taylor Swift's political expressions as a case study, and reflect on how public opinion can be influenced by celebrity endorsements.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe examine the underlying economic factors driving societal changes, emphasizing the costs of money, energy, labor, and transportation as key drivers beyond political discourse.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eDan highlights the resilience of the entrepreneurial spirit in adapting to political landscapes and the role of the U.S. Constitution in shaping American society.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe take a nostalgic journey back to the 1950s, discussing cultural elements like TV dinners and the Mickey Mouse Club, and how these shaped our personal stories.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe reflect on dietary changes and the shift towards healthier habits, sharing insights on the enduring freshness of certain foods and the importance of sustainable eating practices.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe emphasize the importance of building good habits, using personal anecdotes to illustrate how small, consistent changes can have a profound impact over time.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe explore the concept of accountability buddies and consistent routines in managing personal health, highlighting the significance of protein intake and balanced diets.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe conclude with a philosophical reflection on human nature and the challenges of making lasting lifestyle changes, underscoring the importance of long-term vision and ethical behavior.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e There we go, mr Sullivan. Ah, much better. Okay, great that was my AirPods for some reason. Or, staticky, you\u0026#39;re not the first one to say it, so I\u0026#39;ll just put it on. We\u0026#39;ll go old-fashioned here, just on speaker. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, sometimes old fashioned here just on speaker. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, sometimes old fashioned works, you know, sometimes yeah, I can give you an example. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I can give you an example Oxygen you know, been around for a while. Most people don\u0026#39;t give it a thought. Most people don\u0026#39;t give a thought, and yet, and yet, it\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I find I appreciate it, you know of a thought and yet, and yeah, that\u0026#39;s yeah, I find I appreciate it. You know well, I have, you know, as you know, I have a new appreciation for oxygen, whereas a couple of years ago my lack of oxygen was a problem. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut yes, yeah I fully appreciate oxygen. We were saying how we just so everybody knows we had a little false start on the cast. We had static, so the first minute or so was we decided to switch over to this mode here. But we\u0026#39;re saying I\u0026#39;m in Toronto right now, as is Dan. We had a nice brunch yesterday and I was sharing with Dan that. I had dinner with Joe Polish last night and Evan Carmichael and Chad Jenkins and Krista and I can\u0026#39;t remember her last name, dan, but she lives in Vancouver and South Africa. Yeah, she\u0026#39;s in 10 times. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, anyway, I was noticing, I was just looking. They\u0026#39;ve been doing the polls on Taylor Swift coming down on the side and it\u0026#39;s made absolutely no difference. It\u0026#39;s made absolutely no difference. One way or the other, it hasn\u0026#39;t made any difference, and what it tells me is that the vote is sort of locked in for the presidential. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it was locked in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s made a difference for her in that there\u0026#39;s a lot of people who are getting rid of their Taylor. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSwift tickets and get off. When you get off the trail you\u0026#39;re in the weeds, get back down as much as you can. You know, and it\u0026#39;s not particularly anything to do with this particular election, but my sense is there\u0026#39;s a there\u0026#39;s a growing desire on the part of people that if you\u0026#39;re in one area of life, stay in that area of life. Don\u0026#39;t come and, you know, don\u0026#39;t make all of life a political stew you know, like you know everything else. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And you know I wonder if there\u0026#39;s any examples where that has worked out for people in anyone I was mentioning yesterday at the brunch that you know reminds me of the dixie chicks debacle in 2001. Yeah, and the documentary you know that came out afterwards. Shut up and sing but what, uh? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e and that was before. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know that was really, that was before the internet and cancel culture. So that was mainstream media driving that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just say, you know, I like my categories distinct and separate. I don\u0026#39;t want the you know, I don\u0026#39;t want them all mixing up with each other and you know, and I by the same token, in the political realm, I would prefer that the politicos, you know, the people who run for office and run office. They don\u0026#39;t attach themselves to other areas of life. You know, just do your politicking and, you know, be good at it and when the time comes, get out. And, you know, work on your handicap. You know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd yeah, it\u0026#39;s interesting, you know, and yeah it\u0026#39;s interesting, and I think what it is? It\u0026#39;s the technological, the easy technological means to mix things together. You know, I mean you see a series of five second flashes or two second flashes and it\u0026#39;s like everything that\u0026#39;s important is everything else and nothing means anything more than anything else, and that\u0026#39;s not really true, you know. I mean, that\u0026#39;s not true for any person. There\u0026#39;s definitely things that are more important than other things, and I just don\u0026#39;t like being told that you should mix everything together. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I agree, I mean the whole yeah, it is. Yeah, I think you\u0026#39;re right, Stay in their lanes. We don\u0026#39;t want everything, yeah all, becoming moral issues or anything you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, they all become political issues. The problem is, everything is reduced to a common denominator, that everything has a political meaning, and you know there are those who you know who do that. But I don\u0026#39;t do that, you know I have great friends who I know I have great friends that don\u0026#39;t vote the way that I do and the way they vote has no bearing whatsoever on my friendship with them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes yes, I agree A hundred percent. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e As long as they don\u0026#39;t bring up the subject. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e They don\u0026#39;t try and convert you Exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah, I find that same thing. That\u0026#39;s really. I mean remember it used to be more you know. It used to be like a private matter kind of thing. Right, like people would. You\u0026#39;d never really discuss it, but now it\u0026#39;s like everything. Everybody\u0026#39;s got a megaphone and everybody\u0026#39;s very especially on the polls. I think we\u0026#39;re definitely more polarized than I remember us being. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI just remember the debate the other night. Watching the debate was just such a series of you\u0026#39;re a liar, no, you\u0026#39;re a liar. No, you lied about this, you\u0026#39;re a liar and the whole. I mean, that\u0026#39;s all it was. My favorite ever debate moment was Obama-Romney in 2008. Obama was responding to Romney suggesting that under his you know, maybe it was 2012. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, probably it was McCain in 2008. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, because under he was proposing that under Obama the Navy had less ships than they did in 1910. And Obama, just without skipping a beat, said yeah, that\u0026#39;s right, and there\u0026#39;s also less horses and bayonets. I don\u0026#39;t know if you noticed, but they have this new thing called aircraft carriers where we can actually fly the planes right off of the ships. I mean it was just so funny that bring, there\u0026#39;s less horses and bayonets. I mean that\u0026#39;s pretty funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat was probably prepared for. You know you like to think that\u0026#39;s off the cuff, but I think that had to have been what could possibly mitt accuse us of, or maybe he said no what? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e what I suspect is what I suspect is that uh mitt had tried to line out previously in some other situation yeah, and you know, you know which goes to show. You only try your lines out for the first time, right? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Don\u0026#39;t do it for the second time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, yeah, yeah, so anyway. But I think what happens is that I was noticing that there\u0026#39;s a real distinction between Trump, on the one hand, and Obama. Is that everybody feels they know Trump? And very few people feel they know her and even after 90 minutes of a debate, you still don\u0026#39;t have a handle on who this person is. You know who is she is, you know and, and yeah, and I think that in the end they\u0026#39;re going to, they\u0026#39;re going to vote for the known quantity Risky. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s going to be various things that I\u0026#39;m seeing. That\u0026#39;s my take. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, you know, that\u0026#39;s my take anyway. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e The things I\u0026#39;m seeing now on my algorithm. What they\u0026#39;re presenting to me is the I saw, you know, side by side or above and below video of her saying one thing, you know in 2020 or 2022 or whatever it was in the past, saying taking a hard stance on something, and then, in 2024, saying exactly the opposite of what she said in the you know in that time, and so very well done of letting her, in her own words, show how she\u0026#39;s flip-flopping. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean, I\u0026#39;m a straight ticket voter. My first election was 68, and that was. They changed the voting age when I was 24, the in 64, so I was 20 years old and the voting age at that time was 21. And then they changed it in the next four years, so I the first time I voted was 68 and I\u0026#39;ve been straight ticket ever since then you know, why tell you know, why Tell me, you know why I\u0026#39;m straight ticking. It\u0026#39;s simpler. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s simpler. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e This is who I am. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s like we\u0026#39;re wearing the same clothes every day Having the same uniform. But the whole point of it is that I vote on the basis of entrepreneurism. Which party seems to be more supportive of entrepreneurism? And it\u0026#39;s definitely one and not the other, and it\u0026#39;s been that way for 32, 56 years. It\u0026#39;s been that way for 56 years. So that\u0026#39;s my criteria for voting. It\u0026#39;s the same thing here in Canada. You know, because I voted both countries, because I\u0026#39;m a citizen of both countries. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, very nice, and you are too, and you are too, and you are too, I am too. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, if you care to exercise your vote. My franchise, they call it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Your franchise. Yeah, but it\u0026#39;s Peter Zion who I\u0026#39;m a great fan of and he said you know, the United States as a country, as a landmass, you know, given their position in the world geographically and looking at their demographics, have so much going for them that Americans are the only people in the world who can treat domestic politics strictly as a form of popular entertainment. Domestic politics strictly as a form of popular entertainment. And you know, and that\u0026#39;s what I get, is that there\u0026#39;s, you know, and I wrote a book about two quarters ago called the Great Meltdown, and what I said is that probably politics is secondary to the cost of four things the cost of money how much does it cost to have money? Interest rates, you know, what kind of return on money do you have? The second thing is energy cost of labor. So that\u0026#39;s m e, l, and then t is transportation, and in every case the united states has the lowest cost on the planet and that means that that\u0026#39;s going to determine things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThose four costs money, energy, labor and transportation are going to be the dominant factor and I think that politics is a dog that\u0026#39;s being pulled together, pulled forward by those four, you know, by those four factors in society. People don\u0026#39;t really, they don\u0026#39;t experience them necessarily that way, but they experience that things were better four years ago than they are today. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou, know, somehow they have a feeling about that, and so you know. So it\u0026#39;s like the ocean. Everybody talks about the waves and the wind, but really it\u0026#39;s the current that makes the difference. And I think economic factors are not winds and waves, they\u0026#39;re the current. Oh, that\u0026#39;s interesting. The news is about waves and wind and storms and everything else, but that\u0026#39;s not what determines things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That makes a lot of sense. Yes, yeah, the currents are what goes underneath, as always moving in a direction for sure. I remember when Oliver Stone did the movie on Putin, where it was like an interview type of series. I don\u0026#39;t know whether we\u0026#39;ve talked about that or whether you saw it, but his whole he was saying, you know, because Putin has seen so many presidents come and go all the way since the first Bush, right, he\u0026#39;s just been the constant. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd his analysis was that he sees all these men come and they have, you know, the desire for change and they have ideas for change, and the people, you know, they present those ideas and the people vote for them. But as soon as they get into office, what he called the men in the suits come and tell them how it really is, and then there is no change, and that\u0026#39;s the current I think that you\u0026#39;re talking about is, and then there is no change, and that\u0026#39;s the current I think that you\u0026#39;re talking about. Everybody would talk about the deep state or the you know the thing, the behind the scenes, the big picture stuff that you know it\u0026#39;s mostly the whoever\u0026#39;s at the helm is really winds and waves, you know yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you think that this was truly an understanding of the united states or he was just reflecting what was true? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e in the Kremlin, maybe I mean, but it seems so Because my theory is that there\u0026#39;s bureaucratic families in Russia today. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know they\u0026#39;re the result of intermarriage over a century. They were the behind the scenes people when the czar was there. They were the behind the scenes people when the czar was there they were the behind the scenes people, and they don\u0026#39;t have political views, they just have a way of getting things done, you know, like and, and the survival of their family is the most important thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eRemember I\u0026#39;ll switch countries here remember that guy who went on a murder streak in Norway and he walked into the parliament and he shot up the Norwegian parliament and then ran out and then he took a boat over to an island where he really did some damage and I think he killed a large number of sort of teenage children, and these were all the children of the people who were the bureaucrats. They were. You know they were upper echelon people, but they were government bureaucrats. They were sort of faceless people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You didn\u0026#39;t know them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And he says you don\u0026#39;t make any change unless you kill the bureaucrats. He says you don\u0026#39;t kill the politicians, you kill the bureaucrats, they\u0026#39;re the. You don\u0026#39;t kill the politicians, you kill the bureaucrats, they\u0026#39;re the ones you want to kill. Yeah, and kill the next generation. And the Norwegians, of course, don\u0026#39;t have death penalties. So he\u0026#39;s up, you know, working on his rubric cube or something. But it\u0026#39;s really interesting. A lot of people don\u0026#39;t think of that. I bet in Washington there\u0026#39;s families who were upper echelon people in 1900, and they\u0026#39;re still upper echelon and they intermarry like aristocracy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere\u0026#39;s bureaucratic aristocracy and they intermarry and everything else, but they\u0026#39;re never seen. They\u0026#39;re never seen. You never know who these people are, but they do have power really in any way. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And you know, I just look at how little, and I don\u0026#39;t know. This may be ignorant, but how little it seems to have an impact on my life in a way that I can do anything about it. You know, and that\u0026#39;s where I think entrepreneur, capitalism like as long as capitalism\u0026#39;s allowed and we\u0026#39;re allowed to pursue our self-interest, that\u0026#39;s really the biggest driver of everything. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, we\u0026#39;re making money on election day, right Personal agency right of our own outcomes. Yeah, you know, and I\u0026#39;ve been talking. You know there are people who are just the opposite of you and they\u0026#39;re intensely involved in it and they said you know what happens if all the people we don\u0026#39;t like get elected? And I said you\u0026#39;ll have a good, you\u0026#39;ll have a good entrepreneurial year. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s being adaptable. Right, You\u0026#39;ve got to deal with what the situation is, what the current is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but my take is that if you spend some time reading the Constitution, and there\u0026#39;s a lot of neat videos, educational videos Probably the best source of this is Hillsdale College. It\u0026#39;s a college in Michigan and their whole thing is that America is a unique country because of the Constitution, and so they put a lot of effort, they put a lot of money, they put a lot of time into making sure that the students really comprehend what the Constitution really does. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve not been there but I\u0026#39;ve. You know I became interested in it because it\u0026#39;s not much bigger now than it was when it was enacted in the 17th, and you know it\u0026#39;s not. It\u0026#39;s changed very little. It\u0026#39;s changed very little. I heard the phrase that, if you typed up the Constitution in 1789, I think is when it was enacted a single space so a single space typed, it would be 23 pages in 1789. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And if you were to do it? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e today it would be 27 pages. They\u0026#39;ve added four pages in 230 years, almost 250 years, and in the very first paragraph of the Constitution it says this is the supreme law of the land. Okay, so the Constitution, that document, is the supreme law of the land. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNothing else can be higher than the Constitution. And then they put in a whole set of rules where it becomes very difficult to change the Constitution. So if you have an amendment to the Constitution, you got to get two-thirds of the House of Representatives to vote for it, two-thirds of the Senate and then three-quarters of all the state legislatures, so roughly, you know 37 states. The legislature would have to vote for it. And it better be a persuasive amendment. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Better be compelling. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, exactly, yeah, that\u0026#39;s you know, and everybody tears their, you know, and everybody rips their clothing and tears the thing and they said, yeah, but it\u0026#39;s a bunch of white guys in the 1700s and I said yeah but they did a good job. You know there was about. There\u0026#39;s maybe about 3 million of them you know, total population 3 million and they were just the Atlantic seaboard and look where it is now. I think they did a good job. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, exactly. I think you\u0026#39;re absolutely right. That\u0026#39;s kind of the thing. At the underpinning of it is the individual pursuit of it\u0026#39;s all about the individual. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s all about the individual. Yeah, the whole thing is geared to give individuals unique freedom to develop themselves. Yeah, so I\u0026#39;m kind of for that and that helps. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s kind of like you know, that\u0026#39;s appealing to entrepreneurs yeah, I\u0026#39;m I the direction that\u0026#39;s going in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m inclined toward that direction. I kind of like that direction yeah. And so my sense is there isn\u0026#39;t much that will happen in any election that\u0026#39;s going to alter a 250-year momentum in a particular direction. I just don\u0026#39;t think there\u0026#39;s much. I mean it might be useful for entertainment purposes and everything else, and I vote. I always make sure I vote, but I go to bed at 9 o\u0026#39;clock. On Election Day and I just check the results in the morning Three weeks later to see who won. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNo, I get up the next morning and I check in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e In any case, the last few times it\u0026#39;s been. You know the real. No matter who won air quotes, it\u0026#39;s always some question and contested and you know it\u0026#39;ll be weeks before the final decision is made, kind of thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I just think it\u0026#39;s a poor career choice where you get paid for being outraged. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think you know I really haven\u0026#39;t developed this thought very much, but I think so much of the complexity of society today is that there\u0026#39;s just so many of us and we\u0026#39;re electronically empowered. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you hit it on the head right there that there\u0026#39;s so many of us with a megaphone, that everybody has the megaphone, everybody has reach to all the others and you can collectively get on a you know, collectively gather momentum with you know what everybody is saying. You and I were talking at brunch yesterday. I\u0026#39;ve been reading the Same as Ever book by Morgan Housel that she recommended and it\u0026#39;s fascinating. It really is interesting and yeah, that kind of you know. All of this is the same as ever. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eEverybody\u0026#39;s been the winds and the waves have always gone in one direction, but the current is everything. Have always gone in one direction, but the current is everything. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, I mean he makes a really great case for evolution. He says you know, evolution. He says it\u0026#39;s roughly about 3.8 billion years that we can from the early, I guess the earliest cell life. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHe\u0026#39;s using that as the starting point and he says you know, a lot of things have gotten worked out over 3.8 billion that you probably can\u0026#39;t reverse. You know 3.8 billion. So it would behoove you to pay attention in what direction evolution is going and basically how it operates. Basically how it operates and it\u0026#39;s you know, and it doesn\u0026#39;t have to make big changes at any point along the way. It just makes, you know, thousands of little changes, little alterations, but they\u0026#39;re not reversible, unnoticeable, yeah yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd you know and I can appreciate that, being in my ninth decade, I can appreciate that that I made decisions when I was 12 years old that were good decisions, and I\u0026#39;m profiting from these decisions 75, 80 years later. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that is so funny. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s amazing if you think all the way back like that. You know the decisions when you were 12 years old were in the heart of the 50s Right, the golden. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah it was. That was a golden era Boy that was a TV\u0026#39;s in every car and every drive, yeah, tv dinners, yeah, yeah, especially, especially the TV dinners. Yeah, especially the TV dinners. You know, that was a big deal. And you know Mickey Mouse Club you know Right. I mean and that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e What more do you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e want. Right, mine was what\u0026#39;s her name? Last name was Tracy, oh, doreen, tracy, doreen. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Tracy, okay, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Apparently, she was the most popular and she\u0026#39;s the only one I met. I spent about three days of her traveling as a USO show in Korea in 1966, 1910. It was neat, you know, just having her. She was you know, she was 10. She was, you know, 20 and everything else. She was 10, she was 20 and everything else. But a nice person, very talkative and really self-reflective. I sense that this is a person who thinks about things very deeply. And she said you know, this is my last entertainment event, what we\u0026#39;re doing here in South Korea with the USO show, which is the nonprofit organization that provides hospitality and entertainment for US military. And she said you know, I\u0026#39;m not. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI was as talented at 12 as I am today and said I haven\u0026#39;t gotten any more talented but, I was more talented at that time than other 12 year olds. So she said I got to be a mom. But she says I, you know. She says I\u0026#39;ve hit my head on the ceiling of being talented, and now I have to. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNow I have to go back and I have to start a new career and she went back and she became a talent manager for Warner Brothers and she was from that period, you know, when she went back, when she started doing that, right straight through until she was 65 and she was well regarded as a, you know, a really first class talent manager. She had Frank Zappa. Frank Zappa was one of her. You know assignments? Okay, yeah, because he was with Warner Brothers. He was with Warner Brothers recording. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh wow, very interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but I found her a very, you know, very upbeat, very positive person, very engaging sort of person. You know, just three days about five shows and that was it. I never thought about it again until the Internet came along and I you know, just you know, I just looked her up and yeah, she had done that. And then when she retired from Warner Brothers she started a jazz and blues club in Hollywood and then she died about eight years later, she died of cancer. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But it was for someone I was. You know, I was right in there with Mickey Mouse Club when I was 12 years old. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you were. That\u0026#39;s who the show was for. Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, yeah, yeah, I mean you had Pepsi, you had chips and you had Hostess Twinkie. I mean you had Pepsi, you had chips and you had Hostess Twinkie. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean it\u0026#39;s a balanced meal. Yeah, a balanced meal. Wow, twinkie\u0026#39;s been around that long, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ll tell you something. I talked to a nutritionist at Canyon Ranch about the Twinkie. And he said if you had a Twinkie from 1956, you had never opened the package. And he said you went down to the supermarket right now and you bought yourself a this year\u0026#39;s Twinkie. And you opened them up. There\u0026#39;s no difference. They taste the same the one from 1956 is just as fresh as the one that you bought this afternoon. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Like Pop-Tarts. That\u0026#39;s what Jerry Seinfeld said they never go stale. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e they can\u0026#39;t go stale because they were never fresh they were yeah, okay, the prize is find an organic part of a twinkie. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e There\u0026#39;s nothing organic about this treat joe was just telling me about this research that\u0026#39;s all coming out now about seed oils and things that he\u0026#39;s talking about. I think there\u0026#39;s a book called Dark Calories I think is what it is but some crazy amount of our calories in the normal American diet like over 30% of our calories come from these oils? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, exactly, yeah, you know like corn oil canola oil. Yeah, and all the. You know the difference. Yeah, I mean, that\u0026#39;s one thing. That Babs got on about a year ago Only butter. Either olive oil or butter? Yeah, butter. And that steak yesterday was good with the butter, wasn\u0026#39;t it it? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e really was. Yeah, so we should tell we found a new. For years we have been going to the same two places Jacques here in Yorkville, or Le Select Bistro for our Saturday, and we tried for the first time in frenchie, frenchie in, which is essentially in the lobby of the hilton hotel in the business district, in the business yeah, so we had some interesting experiences, but that steak was really well was the steak was really good yeah, yeah, and it was medium rare, it was perfectly medium rare, and I particularly, and they knife selection ceremony steak knife selection yeah, and he brought a box of this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e This is kevin brought the steak knives and he opened it up and and I said there were six of them, and I said do you, kevin, do you recommend one of these which? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e one do you recommend? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e he said I think this year, I think this was a good year, so I think I picked up one of them, you know I over tipped him because he was responsive. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nHe was very, very responsive. He really was responsive. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, because they had a rule that breakfast ended at 11, but lunch didn\u0026#39;t start until 1130. And I said so do we have to wait? And he says no. He says do whatever you want Order whatever you want and I\u0026#39;ll take care of it, but anyway, it was really good. And I\u0026#39;m really hooked on steak. You\u0026#39;re the. You\u0026#39;re the fault of this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know you\u0026#39;re the cause because you convinced that it\u0026#39;s my inch, I got you on blue t-shirts and now steaks. This is all, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah I\u0026#39;m working on fountain. I change your direction. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I change in your direction slow enough that you don\u0026#39;t get a big head about it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, oh, that\u0026#39;s great. I love that. Slow enough that I don\u0026#39;t get a big head about it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s right yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, but I\u0026#39;m not seeing a huge difference. I mean I never got in trouble. I mean, like I\u0026#39;m not someone who huge difference. I never got in trouble. I\u0026#39;m not someone who is in big trouble physically and everything else, but the weight goes up over time. Right now, I\u0026#39;m about 15 pounds heavier than when I graduated from high school and I was in good shape because I played three sports you know all four years. I was always in a sports team and during the summers I caddied at the golf course. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So that kept me in good shape. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, and but the thing about it was I eat very well at meals. It\u0026#39;s between meals that get me into trouble. And that\u0026#39;s because of that\u0026#39;s because of cravings. And I noticed that if you eat a lot of beef, you don\u0026#39;t have cravings. That\u0026#39;s the truth. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That is absolutely true. The satiety is high. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yeah, I find that too. But I also find, dan, like I\u0026#39;ve been, you, doing, uh, carnivore for the last little while here, and I noticed a difference, like in terms of that. But there have been times. It\u0026#39;s not a, it\u0026#39;s not a straight path to the moon here. There\u0026#39;s some veering of things and I noticed that even the slightest little. You introduce something into a thing and it gets a foothold. You\u0026#39;re right that the cravings and the easy to veer off path for a little while Low enough that you don\u0026#39;t notice it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e There\u0026#39;s a part of us that has to be a watchdog. There\u0026#39;s part of us that has to be vigilant. You know, and and you know and I think they\u0026#39;re good habits. Basically, the watchdogs are good habits and and you know that it\u0026#39;s an interesting thing about people who have good habits and they\u0026#39;re, you know, using other descriptions about them they\u0026#39;re ethical, they\u0026#39;re moral you know they\u0026#39;re law abiding, and what they found is that those people have the best sense of a long future. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey find that morality and legality and everything that we admire in people is actually a function of how long their future is, how far they can see, and they can see that something they do today either supports their positive long future or it would undermine it. And one of the tests they\u0026#39;ve done is inner city children who are members of gangs Okay, robbery of some sort and what they find is that their sense of the future is never more than 24 hours. Is that their sense of the future is never more than 24 hours? And so they say, if I do this now, can I be in trouble in 24 hours? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd you know, you stop some kid on the street, you force him to take off his sneakers or his jacket. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Are you going to get in trouble in 24 hours? Probably not, wow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so you\u0026#39;re being moral and being ethical and being law abiding is a function of how clear you are about a longer future, where today\u0026#39;s actions really matter. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, well, that brings you know. That\u0026#39;s funny. That kind of ties in with what you. We were talking in Palm Beach six months ago about this behaviors right. Bringing bringing their here, meaning just identifying what are the. It was just kind of funny that the timing of it because I was sharing with you that I had looked at the. You know, if you look at here and look backwards and say what are the behaviors and habits that got me to here, I heard somebody say one time if you look around, just take it all in, look around you and everything that is a reality in your life right now. This is what all of your past decisions created, right. All your past decisions and behaviors led to this moment, everything you have right. And I thought, yeah, when you shared with me the bringing there here is looking forward and identifying if this, if I could describe the here I want, the now that I want, what does that look like in the here, what are the behaviors that support that future? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. And I think the big thing is what are your habits today? That would be the habits you would want 20 years from now. Which habits do you have already formed? And then that picture of you 20 years from now. If you look at a day in the life of you say, well, I want this habit. And then you have to say, well, if I\u0026#39;m going to have the habits, then I might as well start those habits today. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, you know yeah, and and that what I mean habits is that you do the right thing without thinking about it yeah, and the cape, I mean the things, it\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So I was had, uh, breakfast with joe this morning. We were talking about, you know, six, six months ago I really had no idea how to cook, or it\u0026#39;s hard to say. I see you that you got you know 57 or eight years into my life and never really learned to cook or anything. And now, you know, between my instant pot and my air fryer, you know I\u0026#39;m cooking up a storm here, making delicious steaks and chicken and salmon, everything. What a life changing like skill and it\u0026#39;s just a natural thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNow I know I\u0026#39;ve got the whole process. It\u0026#39;s a habit. I know I\u0026#39;ve got the whole process. It\u0026#39;s a habit, you know. Once you know the habit, it\u0026#39;s the. You know the process. I do it all kind of in to preheat for three minutes and while that three minutes is happening, I\u0026#39;m seasoning the steak with salt pepper and just a little bit of Montreal steaks rub and then by the time I get that done, the air fryer is preheated. I just put it in for, depending on how thick it is, three or four minutes per side and then it\u0026#39;s done. So the whole ordeal is, you know, 13 minutes from the idea of having a steak to your first bite. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And so you know, and now you\u0026#39;re becoming an internet influencer yeah, that\u0026#39;s exactly right, that\u0026#39;s right, that\u0026#39;s exactly right. Yeah, yeah, rabbi jackson. Oh, there\u0026#39;s rabbi jackson again. Yeah, but you know, this is how we learn from each other you know yeah, I mean he doesn\u0026#39;t mention it. Morgan Housel, in the book you\u0026#39;re reading, same as ever, but I\u0026#39;ve seen it many times that the two main habits that humans have that move things forward are one imitation see something that somebody else is doing, and then repetition you get a good thing going and then you just repeat and repeat. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd it\u0026#39;s so interesting. I saw a little. I was going through the news programs this morning and there was a commercial and it was Bill Gates was a commercial, and it was bill gates, and and you know, and here\u0026#39;s bill gates, you know, and he really is truly boring, he was born boring. He\u0026#39;s a very boring, he\u0026#39;s a very boring thing. But you know he\u0026#39;s boring with 50, 50 billion or 100 billion, whatever the amount of money he has. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But now he\u0026#39;s saying sorry, go ahead. I said sorry, go ahead. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think that. And he\u0026#39;s saying there\u0026#39;s no question now, we just have to get rid of fossil fuels. Yeah, he says we\u0026#39;ve come to the point now and it\u0026#39;s just. And then he brings in all sorts of people who are talking about the breakthroughs that will be possible, and Anthony Fauci is one of them on the program and everything like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut the question is, Bill, you were using fossil fuels to go to Jeffrey Epstein\u0026#39;s island. What was that all about, oh boy? What was that all about, oh man? What was that all about, oh man? I don\u0026#39;t know if he ever went to the island, but he hung out with him in New. York City. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd you know, and yeah so, so anyway, but you know, I think we\u0026#39;re coming back. I just have a sense. Maybe it\u0026#39;s just me that I\u0026#39;m becoming aware of something, but I have a sense because the things that are being talked about, like the Morgan Household book you know there are some things that you can bet on are always going to operate in a certain direction. You know, and I get a sense, we\u0026#39;re getting there, I mean. But I\u0026#39;m, you know, I\u0026#39;m into new things. You know I\u0026#39;m creating more new things at 80 than I was at 50, and I\u0026#39;m involved in more new things at 80 than I was at 50. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I\u0026#39;m involved in more new things at 80 than I was at 50. So I don\u0026#39;t think it\u0026#39;s just my sense of what\u0026#39;s happening to me. I get a sense from reading the news and everything like that that it\u0026#39;s not so easy to change human nature. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think you\u0026#39;re right, but it\u0026#39;s also yeah, that\u0026#39;s why it\u0026#39;s when you make these gradual changes, natural selection of better habits kind of thing, make a big impact. You know like I think, yeah, yeah, the natural selection, yeah, I mean I never got. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, I\u0026#39;ve been influenced basically because I get full medicals, you know, with David. Hasse, I mean top to bottom medicals and you know, he says, you know you\u0026#39;re carrying too much weight, you\u0026#39;ve got too much fat. And I said, and he says, you know, think about this, think about that. And I said I\u0026#39;m not going to do anything where my weight loss is more than a pound a week and so I started the steak. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSteak diet you know, yesterday I had steak for breakfast, steak for lunch, steak for dinner. Other things too, you know, had some small potatoes. I had broccoli and French fries with you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And anyway. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e and but I mean, if you look ahead 20 weeks and you\u0026#39;re 20 pounds down, that\u0026#39;s a big deal. I don\u0026#39;t want to take on an unnatural diet for a period of time and then go back to my old diet. I want my entire habits of eating to change permanently of eating to change permanently. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e What I\u0026#39;ve learned from JJ Virgin is that it really is about the protein first, of getting the amount of protein for your target weight, kind of. That\u0026#39;s the thing. That number one priority is getting 180 grams of protein, you know, and then and then adding on whatever, while staying in that your caloric thing. But I find that, man, if you\u0026#39;re eating that amount of protein, the protein is the satiety thing that it just is the gift that keeps on giving. You know, you don\u0026#39;t get those. It\u0026#39;s the most. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Even burning, yeah and it\u0026#39;s where the, where the muscle comes from yes, exactly, yeah, yeah, so well, that\u0026#39;s interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That that\u0026#39;s a really good. Do you measure? Do you wait? How often do you weigh yourself? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e every day, every morning yeah okay, I\u0026#39;ve got a little journal and I log in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve got a little journal and I, yeah, yeah that\u0026#39;s been a big thing. I have the the. You know my JJ has really been my accountability buddy in all of this. I chart everything that I eat and chart my weight every day and my sleep score and my steps. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I, you know, send a little photo, photo story to her every day and that, yeah, it\u0026#39;s good to chart and see the the progress you know I had an interesting and a friend who has maintained his weight at a in a you know five pound band for band for as long as I\u0026#39;ve known him and he shared that at one point. He stays between 178 and 182 or three as the band that he\u0026#39;s in constantly. And he told me he got up to 230 pounds at one point, wow yeah, and then he lost all the weight. He got up to 230 pounds at one point, wow yeah, and then he lost all the weight, got down to 180 as his ideal. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut he weighs himself every day and he uses a green light, yellow light, red light system that if he\u0026#39;s 178 or 179, it\u0026#39;s green light, he can eat whatever he wants. If he wants to have dessert, fine. If he wants this, whatever, fine. And if he\u0026#39;s 180 or 181, he\u0026#39;s yellow light and it\u0026#39;s like, just, you know, caution kind of, for taking it easy. But if he gets to 182 it\u0026#39;s red light and he has to go, stay on the path until he gets back to 178. So he\u0026#39;s never had to lose more than five pounds, you know. So it\u0026#39;s a really interesting thing. If he knows he\u0026#39;s going on a vacation or something, he\u0026#39;ll get to 178 and then do what he wants on vacation and maybe he gains five pounds on vacation, but comes back and immediately on the straight and narrow. Slow and steady wins the race. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, this is Dean and Dan having a deep philosophy hour. This was the Sunday philosophy hour with Dean and Dan, that\u0026#39;s right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e The double D philosophy hour. That\u0026#39;s right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, the Calry philosophy hour. Anyway but that\u0026#39;s great. Then we\u0026#39;ll be able to chat again this evening Over some meat, Over some meat. Yeah you you\u0026#39;re gonna have to do with burgers tonight that\u0026#39;s right, familiar. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But anyway. So all you guys are more or less coming together, I guess right probably well, joe, yep, joe and me and chad, I think we\u0026#39;ll all be over together. All righty, it\u0026#39;s all very exciting, dan, I will see you in a few hours. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you okay. Thanks, dean. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"\r\n\r\nIn this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, Dan and I have a thought-provoking discussion on balancing political views with interpersonal dynamics. \r\n\r\nDean shares delightful tales from mingling with influencers in Toronto, like Joe Polish and Evan Carmichael.\r\n\r\nThe intersection of politics and entertainment is examined using Taylor Swift as an example to explore the idea of keeping various domains of life separate. \r\n\r\nDan emphasizes the growing importance for political figures to focus on their designated roles. \r\n","date_published":"2024-10-09T08:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/e1f187cf-b441-468f-bbab-1038bb208915.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":45747503,"duration_in_seconds":2833}]},{"id":"55a6207b-664d-4f3e-a03b-b6cd4e13c324","title":"Ep134: Transforming Tranquility into Financial Growth","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/134","content_text":"In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, We contrasted northern summers' climate and lifestyle possibilities with those of Florida. The conversation shifted to exploring humanity’s relationship with money through storytelling and belief. \n\nPractical lessons included effective pricing, leveraging qualified leads, and attracting high-quality clients using books. Finally, the discussion provided entrepreneurial growth strategies like setting a quarterly cadence, applying profit activators, and valuing long-term relationships. \n\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\n\n  We discussed the serene and picturesque landscape of Canada's cottage country, including the unique charm and beauty of its lakes and legends, as well as the renowned Group of Seven artists.\n  Reflections on the contrast between the tranquil Canadian summers and the balmy climate of Florida, noting the ideal summer months in Canada.\n  We explored minimalistic lifestyle choices that gained popularity during the COVID-19 pandemic, such as the simplicity of a carnivore diet and practical wardrobe strategies.\n  We delved into the whimsical nature of financial decisions and the power of belief and storytelling in investment decisions, with a focus on how a stock's value is influenced by future narratives.\n  We discussed critical elements of pricing strategies, including promise, price, and proof, and the importance of pre-qualified, motivated leads in business, particularly in real estate.\n  Dean shared insights on leveraging books as tools for attracting high-quality clients, highlighting a successful collaboration that did not rely on upfront financial incentives.\n  We explored the eight profit activators and how smaller, intimate workshops can be as effective as larger gatherings in growing businesses.\n  We emphasized the importance of long-range investment thinking and nurturing long-term relationships with prospects, as well as the value of quarterly goals and structured cadences in extending professional careers.\n  We highlighted innovative health practices that can prolong peak earning years and enhance productivity, such as the benefits of continuous health improvements and monitoring.\n  We discussed the potential for creative and productive growth during challenging economic times, drawing insights from historical examples and a book that explores enduring human behaviors.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean: mr sullivan mr jackson welcome to cloudlandia. And, uh, keep your feet on the mainland, that's exactly right so you are calling from the northernmost outpost of cloudland and canada at its best beautiful weather it must be perfect right now. \n\nDan: Right, I just got out of the lake. I was in the lake 15 minutes oh my goodness, wow I'll be, very deep, like a week. \n\nDean: Oh yeah, is it. \n\nDan: Uh, that's very yes, that's quite cold. I mean, this is our one, two, three, four, fourth day and so I'm used to it now, but uh bracing yeah, yeah, because the nights have been very cold oh, I think the nights have been. \n\nDean: The nights have been very cold, yeah well we got enough heat or we got enough heat to go around here. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, you've had some. You've had some variable weather, should I call it that? \n\nDean: yeah, exactly, I was just telling. I was just telling I need to. Uh, I'm ready to have snowboarding back in my life. That just makes more sense to me. \n\nDan: Yeah, this is perfect. I mean, there's a lot of your. Our listeners may not know this, but there's this great romance to the cottage country in Canada. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: First of all, there's a lot of lakes. I mean there's literally in the thousands. I'm not talking about the big lakes, I'm not talking about the great lakes. I'm talking about, like ours, for example, is two miles by two miles. It's almost a circle. It's two miles by two miles, but there's a circle. It's two miles by two miles. But there's a legend that there's a hole in the middle, a very deep hole, and in the logging days they hooked chains to each other and put a weight at the end of one of the chains and then they kept putting the chains down and it went down a thousand feet and it was still not hitting bottom oh my goodness, it's a portal to the center of the earth you know it invites all sorts of adventures, loch Ness. \n\nWell, we haven't seen that, we haven't seen that it's fresh. Yeah, well, loch Ness is a freshwater lake, but no, but there's a romance. There's a whole school of art called the Group of Seven and these were seven artists who did these amazing, amazing paintings. Not really natural. They have a real interesting quality to them and they were done from the teens till probably the 40s or 50s probably a 40-year period, seven artists. \n\nThey're very famous and in Toronto at the Art Gallery, the Ontario Gallery of Art, they have a whole wing that's just the paintings of these men. And then there's a town north of Toronto called Kleinberg and they have a whole museum. There's a whole McMichael gallery. And I never get tired. I've been here for 53 years and I can go in there and just sit for an hour and look at the magnificent art that these people created. \n\nDean: It is beautiful, yeah, yeah you're right, yeah, canada in the summertime. I can't imagine anywhere nicer, you know any of those temperate things. London or England is very nice in the summer. All of Europe, I'm sure. But yeah, it's just, I'm realizing Florida's a little hot yeah, you're late to the realization. \n\nDan: No, I mean I've realized it all along. \n\nDean: It's just that you know. Yeah, I'm starting to re-realize it. \n\nDan: Well, you had some comparison. You had a wonderful week in Toronto in July. \n\nDean: Yeah, three weeks I was there. \n\nDan: Marvelous there. \n\nDean: That's what I mean, you're realizing that Florida's hot. \n\nDan: You know, just between us, Florida's really hot during the summertime, you know, just between us. Florida is really hot during the summertime. \n\nDean: It was just. It was that contrast. I mean spending three weeks in Toronto June and July is it doesn't get much better. It's the perfect time. \n\nDan: So well, there's June and July, and then there's winter. \n\nDean: That's right. \n\nDan: Actually, I think we're in for a long fall this year. \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: And I'm doing this on 80 years of experience that when you have a very green summer, which means there was a lot of rain. We had more rain this year than I can remember since I've been here, and what it does is that the leaves don't turn as quickly, and so we can expect still green trees at Halloween this year. \n\nDean: Oh, wow, Okay, Looking forward to coming back up in a few weeks. I can't believe it's been 90 days already. I'm super excited about having you know a quarter, a coach quarter. \n\nDan: You've had a coach quarter. You've had a coach. You've had a coach quarter. \n\nDean: That's what I mean. I'm very excited about having these coach quarterly Toronto visits in my future. This is yeah, yeah, it's very good. So there I have had. \n\nDan: You've been thinking about things? Tell me you've been thinking about things. \n\nDean: I have been thinking about my thinking and thinking about things all the while. This is, I think I'm coming up another, I think I'm coming up on a month of carnivore. Now, yeah, what it's very interesting to me, the findings. You know it really it suits. It seems like it's a very ADD compliant diet. \n\nDan: Yeah, in that it's really only one decision. Because it's just one decision. \n\nDean: Yeah, is it meat? That's the whole thing. It's like the Is it? Meat or is it fasting? Yeah, it's the dietary equivalent of wearing a black shirt every day. \n\nDan: Well, I wear a navy blue shirt every day. I took that strategy from you. It struck me as a very useful lifetime strategy. \n\nDean: And I got into it during COVID. Yeah. \n\nDan: Because that was my COVID uniform I had. Basically I had jeans and a long sleeve shirt long sleeve t-shirt navy blue by Uniqlo, a Japanese company, and they're the best, they're the best, they're the best. I bet I've worn the one I'm wearing today. I bet I've worn it a hundred times. So it looks pretty much out of the package. \n\nDean: Yeah, it makes a big difference. So there's lots of these arguments for these kind of mono decisions. \n\nDan: So I'm kind of thinking that through, you know, and seeing other places where that kind of thinking applies you know, yeah, what I notice more and more is that my life is really a function of habits, yes, and you got to make sure they're good habits. \n\nDean: Yeah, I'm thinking and seeing that more and more. Like I was looking in some of my past journals over the last week or so, I was looking back, like back to, you know, 2004, and just kind of randomly, you know, selecting the things. And you know, I do see that you're only ever in the moment, right, because every entry that I'm making in the journal is made in real time, so I'm only ever there, you know, and that habit I often I wonder how many miles of ink lines I've written if you were to, if you were how many times I've circled the globe with my journals. \n\nIt'd be a really interesting calculation, you know. But you realize that everything you've been saying about the bringing there here is really that's absolutely true, like the only thing I'm doing. The common thing of that is I'm sitting in a comfy chair writing in my journal, but you're never, you know, it's all. But it's funny to look back at it as capturing the moment, you know. \n\nDan: Yeah, you know, it's really interesting. I see a lot more articles these days on journaling and just in the context of Cloudlandia and the mainland, it seems to me that it's a way of staying in touch with your preferred mainland by journaling, because every day you're conscious, you're thinking about your thinking and I think, as Jeff Madoff and I have had a number of conversations about this, that as the world becomes more digital and I see no end to the possibilities that you can apply digital technology to something there's a counter movement taking place where people are deliberately reconnecting with the mainland in a conscious way. \n\nDean: Yeah, I'm aware of that. \n\nDan: I mean, carnivore is about as mainland as you can get. \n\nDean: That's the truth, especially when there's something primal about cooking. \n\nDan: The only thing further than that would be if you were eating yourself, which, in a sense, you are. \n\nDean: It's so funny, but there is something magical about that. Can I tell? \n\nDan: you not as full bore as yours, but this is my 33rd day of having steak for breakfast. \n\nDean: Yes, Okay, did you open up the air fryer? Have you had an air fryer? \n\nDan: steak yet. Oh yeah, it's downstairs. We have one at the cottage and we're going to get a new one at the house. \n\nDean: And what's your experience? You brought it with us. \n\nDan: It's not my experience, it's Babs' experience. \n\nDean: I mean your experience of the eating. Yeah, oh no, it's great. \n\nDan: Yeah, oh no, it's great, it's great, it's delicious. Yeah, it's super fast, I mean it's super fast and it's great and, yeah, I'm thinning out a bit, losing my COVID collection. I'm starting to get rid of my COVID collection. Yeah, belly, fat and fat otherwise, and that's great and I do a lot of exercise when I'm at the cottage we have. There's a stairway, a stone stairway that goes down to the dock 40 steps, and so I do it today. I'll do it six times up and down. \n\nDean: Oh my goodness, wow. \n\nDan: And then we have about a I would say, three quarters of a mile loop up the hill, through the woods and back down, and I'll do that once today and I'll do two swims. I'll be in the lake for two swimming sessions and I noticed I really do a lot more exercise here and the whole point is to have it carry over when you get back to the city. Jump start yeah, I've got a great book for you, and the whole point is to have it carry over when you get back to the city Jumpstarting. \n\nDean: I've got a great book for you. \n\nDan: Do you read on Kindle or do you buy actual books? \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: Yeah, that's two questions. \n\nDean: Yes to both. You do both Often. I'll do three Often. I will do the Kindle and the book and the audio. \n\nDan: Yes, well, there's a great book that you'll like, and it's called Same as Ever. \n\nDean: Okay, I like it already, but tell me about it. \n\nDan: And the author's name is Hosel H-O-E-S-E-L First name, I think, is Morgan Hussle. And what he shows? He's got 23 little chapters about things that are always the same and it's thought-provoking and he's an investor. You know he's an investor, but he talks about that. Humans, for the most part humans get smart at everything they do except one. What's that Money? That's probably true. And he says people are more fanciful when it comes to money than almost any other part of their life. Okay. \n\nDean: Well, that's interesting. It's giving me an option to buy his follow-up book which is the Psychology of Money. \n\nDan: I should get that too, too why not? \n\nDean: yeah, all right, he's got some great line. \n\nDan: I mean he quotes other people. He's got the greatest definition of a stock you know, like stock market stock he's got the greatest definition of a stock. I I don't think I think he's quoting somebody, but that a stock is a present number multiplied by a future story. \n\nDean: Ooh, that is true, isn't it? A present number multiplied by a future story that is so good yes. \n\nDan: Isn't that great. \n\nDean: It's so good and true, it's got the added benefit of being true. Yeah, I mean, it's really. If not, what else it's guessing and betting, right? It's like we gauge our guessing and betting on we guess and bet on the strength of our belief in the story. \n\nDan: A present number multiplied by a future story. \n\nDean: Yes, that's wild. It's funny that you say that's a very interesting. I was thinking about a pricing strategy for a client and he was saying I'm sure this has been. There's probably somebody who's said this before, I don't know who, but I was looking at it as that it's a combination of the promise and the price and the proof. And proof is really a story right, a belief that if you have him, you're, if there's something going wrong. \n\nYes, proof is yeah, I mean it's either that, yeah, it's either. You know the promise is the articulated outcome of what you're going to get, that you want that promise, but then the price is a factor of how much that promise is worth and your someone else yeah and the confidence that it's going to happen. \n\nYou know, it's a very interesting thing I was thinking about it in the context of our real estate that the realtors are will happily pay 40 of a transaction, up to 35 or 40% of a transaction. That's a guaranteed transaction, like a referral. If I say, you know, if you send somebody a referral they'll pay 40% because the promise and the proof is that you already got it. So you're willing to pay 40% for the certainty of it. But when you say to buy a lead, you know to buy leads for $5 or $10, there's not as much. You don't have the proof that those leads are going to turn into into transactions. So there's a risk. There's a risk involved in that. It's really, it's pretty, it's pretty amazing. I've been because you know I do a lot of real estate, lead generation and all kinds in all kinds of businesses. Lead generation and I've really been one of the distinctions I've been sharing with people is the, because a lot of times people ask well, are they good leads? You know, and it speaks to the, yeah, you know objective, yeah, you. \n\nDan: And joe you, you and Joe Polish have a great definition of what a good lead is. I don't remember the exact formula, but it's pre-qualified, pre-motivated. \n\nDean: Yes, predisposed you know predisposed. Yeah. \n\nDan: And one of the things that when we were doing the book deal with Ben Hardy and Tucker Max, before we approached Hay House, Tucker asked me a question. He said well, you're not taking any money, you're not taking any advances, you're not taking any royalties for the book, which was true. So that was a real straight deal. You know why? Because it's a mono decision. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: I'm sorry. The book is a capability for me and that's worth all the upfront money. \n\nDean: Yes, yeah, you know, and that was the advances. \n\nDan: You know, the advances were really good advances. I mean, they were six-figure advances. \n\nDean: And. \n\nDan: I said, the reason is I don't want to think about that. I just want to think about the capability that I have 24 hours a day, all around the world of someone picking up the book and reading it, and it's a pre-qualified person. \n\nIt's a pre-qualified person, in other words, the person who's picking up the book and reading it would have the money and the qualifications to be in the strategic coach. The other thing is that it would pre-motivate them. They're predisposed because they picked up the book. They're pre-qualified because it's meaningful to them. And then the next thing is they'll give us a phone call. \n\nYou know they'll read the book'll give us a phone call. You know they'll give us a phone call. Or just go on. You know, go on to the website and read all about coach and everything like that. And so Tucker said so we sell a thousand books. What would make you happy in terms of actual someone signing up for the program? And I said one. \n\nDean: Right and probably, probably. \n\nDan: I would want a hundred people Just trying to take care. \n\nThis is why I'm going to come and do the eight profit Activators. Yeah, and the reason is that those books were right at. About the three books that we wrote were right around the 800,000. Wow, wow, and I could easily say we've had 800 clients pick it up, either picked it up and called us, or called us and we sent them the books. Yes, but it's a marvelous system because it's who, not how, in spades is that I have salespeople out there every 24 hours and they're finding, finding new interested leads, they're developing the leads and we don't have to spend any time until they give us a call. \n\nDean: I think that's fantastic and it's doing. You know, part of the thing is I. This is why I always look at books as a profit activator three activity, which is educate and motivate. That people get educated about the concepts of who, not how, or the gap in the game or the idea that 10 times is easier than two times, and they see examples and see that this really fits, and then they're motivated to call and get some help with that. I'm such a fan of books and podcasts as the perfect Profit Activator 3 activity. \n\nDan: Yeah, I've been thinking a lot about our previous podcast where you took it through the what's the value of your leads. I'm actually a really fan of that yeah. \n\nDean: I love metrics. I'm a big metric. Well, metrics to me are when they are objective and measurable. They are a proof. \n\nDan: Well and predictable. They're predictable too. They're a proof. Do a certain amount of activity, you can get a predictable metric. \n\nDean: I've discovered a metric very much like Pareto in lead distribution. It just got, you know, hot off the press with Chris McAllister, who you know as well. Yeah, chris, so we've been doing a collaboration on, I've been helping them with lead generation and I asked him to do a I've been calling it a forensic census of what's happened with the leads right and leads who've been in for more than a hundred days. So we just looked at the. That's roughly three and a half months basically, and you know, of all of the leads that we had generated, 15% of them had sold their house with someone else, and so you look at that we did the math on the thing, that is the opportunity cost. \n\nThat is the exact thing that worked out, that the amount of that worked out to be over half a million dollars in lost opportunity. \n\nDan: Well, and that's where. Yeah, no, it wasn't lost, it was just a cost. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's exactly right. \n\nDan: The money went into the wrong bank account. The money went into the wrong bank account. That's exactly right. The money went into the wrong bank account. The money went into the wrong bank account. \n\nDean: That's exactly right. So now that's encouraging right, because I've got now three different forensic census analysis from three different parts of the country with three different realtors that all point to exactly the same thing 15 of people who've gone through a hundred days will do something, and so that is. That's encouraging. You know, I think if I, if you look at that and start to say OK, there's a pulse. That it means that the market. \n\nDan: The marketplace has a pulse. \n\nDean: Yeah. The lie rating and that we're generating objectively good leads, meaning people who want to do. What the promise of the of the book is, you know, yeah. So, that's very exciting. \n\nDan: Yeah, you know, it's really interesting changing the subject slightly. So this author that writes the book Same as Ever that I just mentioned, he said that basically, when you look at the last hundred years, the decade of the 1930s was absolutely the most productive decade in US history. Wow, Based on what. And he said just how much got produced during the 1930s. \n\nDean: Are you talking about the New Deal? No, he's not talking about the New Deal at all. \n\nDan: He's actually talking that the reason was it was the worst decade economically in the United States history because of the Great Depression, but he said it was also the most creative and most productive. And he said that creativity and productivity don't happen during good times, they only happen during bad times, the reason being the things that you thought. Let's put it this way you're going into the 1930s it was one of the hottest stock markets in the history of the United States the 1920s per capita, if you do it in relationship to the population and then suddenly it just stopped and everything that people believed was true, everything that they knew was predictably true, didn't happen. And everybody woke up and said, oh my God. Well, everything we've been going on doesn't work. And he said that's the spur to creativity and productivity. \n\nIt's not profitability, because the profitability happened in the 1940s and 1950s, but the productivity, the creativity, creating new things that were productive, happened during the 1930s. He said there's no decade like it in US history in the last 100 years and I found that very striking. \n\nDean: I can't wait to read it. \n\nDan: I found that. It's a thin book. \n\nDean: Okay, I was going to say I like that's my favorite. That's my favorite and accessible words. \n\nDan: I like that too. It's a win. And it's a good title yeah, he doesn't use more words than he needs. \n\nDean: I like that. \n\nDan: It goes back to your. I'm coming awake to Dean Jackson's 8 Profit Activators. \n\nDean: Oh good, after 12 years, this is good news. \n\nDan: I'm a tourist, I'm a late bloomer. \n\nDean: I'm a late developer. \n\nDan: You know, but it wasn't that it was stored away, but it wasn't brought right in front of me. But I think there's a lot of very interesting insights that you have here. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's true, and I just find more and more it's. You know it's the same, just feel like it's. So when you look at this one thing you know, if I think about my one thing is this you know, working on the all the applications of this one model and seeing deeper and deeper layers of how it actually how it fits, you know, it is like you asked me 12 years ago what would be fascinating and motivating because I had come out of you know, 15 years I think we I think we were both sitting in our kitchen when this happened, yeah, yeah our kitchen. \n\nYeah, and I remember I was. \n\nDan: I remember I was using that I was I. I remember it distinctly because I think it's the last time I used the landline. Isn't that funny? \n\nDean: that's amazing. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, because I had to sit up next to the counter because we've only got one landline. \n\nDean: And. \n\nDan: I said I've got this. So I had to sit on a stool next to you know a counter and I remember the conversation. \n\nDean: I do too, and it was because I was coming out of 15 years of applying these eight profit activators to the growth of one specific business and Joe Polish had just taken that framework and started the I love marketing cast and I realized that's my. I was realizing how applicable that kind of operating system that I had developed for, you know, growing our own business was applicable to all kinds of businesses and that was my fascinating thing and doing it in small groups as opposed to 500, 700 people at a time, and to this day, it's still now 12 years later, yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, can I ask you a question about that? If you did it differently. Could you do it with a group of 100? \n\nDean: Yes, absolutely, and we've done it with you know, I've done it with 40 or 50. \n\nDan: Yeah Well, if you can do it with 40 or 50, you could do it with 100. \n\nDean: Yeah, once you get past like 14 or so, the way the dynamics change. At about 14, more people, you end up having fractured conversations, and so that's why, the way you do the workshops, you have the opportunity to have people have those conversations, but in groups of three or four, yeah, so rather than having breakouts. \n\nDan: Well, and then there's a tool that everybody's doing the same. Yes, yes. Yes. \n\nDean: You're exactly right. Yeah, and that's an. All of them are all the eight profit activators are there, are tools, you know, there are thinking ways for it and yeah, but it's just such a you know I want to ask you another question to what degree if you think about I think you said you've done about 600 from last conversation of your small groups, that'd be 50 groups, basically 50, 50 sessions. \n\nDan: To what degree do they need to know their numbers to go through the process? \n\nDean: well they. The challenge or the thing is that they don't even know that these metrics exist. \n\nSo I work from the standpoint of they really, if I can give them the experience of it by. They know the top line and they know you know what they're doing. But it doesn't require the granularity to get the impact of it. You know, to understand. That's where they can get their best intuitive sense of what that is and every single person has a realization that. \n\nLet's just say, even the just understanding how to divide the revenue into before unit, during unit and after unit is a big revelation for people and then they realize, you know, a lot of times I was just doing a consultation with a home services company and in home services it's pretty standard to spend, you know standard to spend you know 12 to 15% of their revenue on advertising. But they do a lot of things and they don't know often exactly what's working. But when I pointed out to them that if we take you know, 30% of their business is coming from repeat people who've already done business with them, yet they're measuring the 15 percent on that gross revenue, so their actual before unit cost is is way more because they're spending all the money in the before unit and not really spending much if anything on the after unit, even though it's bringing in 30% of the business. You know and it's so funny because I was sharing with them too I was like to take this attitude of so they do HVAC and air conditioning and so I like for them to think of all the households that have one of their air conditioning units in it to be climates under management, you know, is to get that kind of asset that they've got 20 000 climates under management, and to take that and really just kind of look at what they could do even just with the after unit of their business. \n\nYou know, it's so. It's always eye-opening for people like to see when you start looking at those numbers and say, wow, I had never, I never thought of it like that. \n\nDan: You know one of the things John Bowen and Kerry Oberbrenner and I are doing a collaboration on establishing the real numbers for entrepreneurism. \n\nDean: Right. \n\nDan: In relationship to wealth and in relationship to happiness, relationship to wealth and in relationship to happiness. So John is arguably the top coach in the world for financial advisors at a very affluent level. \n\nSo all the clientele are very, so that would be for, and they'd be looking for, families. It would be sort of families and they'd be entrepreneurial families, okay, and I think that the sort of the preferred look is where the net worth of the family is in the 20 million and above level. Okay, and these are the advisors. So John's clients are the advisors who do this, okay. And two years ago we did a survey where we compared the entrepreneurial clients or the entrepreneurial clients. What we surveyed was John's clients as entrepreneurs. \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: Okay, they're entrepreneurs, and there were about 1 of them, 1300. And they were compared to 800 strategic coach clients and we saw all sorts of differences. One of them was the who, not how, factor, that generally our clients made more money per person and worked fewer hours than John's 1,300. Yes, okay, and fairly significant. I mean like percent, different percent. And the other thing was that our clients expected to be busy. They expected to be active entrepreneurs for a much longer period than his clients. \n\nDean: Well, that's the greatest gift right there when you look at it. So you, as the lead by example of this the lead dog. \n\nDan: Yeah, you know what they say about dog sleds you know the dogs in a dog sled. Yeah, if you're not\nthe lead dog, the future always looks the same. Yes, exactly so I'm not looking up anybody's rear end. \n\nDean: Yeah, right, exactly. \n\nDan: Anyway, but the big, thing, if you say we don't have real proof and it would take 50 or 60 years to take a long study to see that we're actually extending people's actual lifetime. But I would say right now we could probably establish really good, really good research that were extending their careers by probably an average of 15 years at their peak earning. \n\nDean: Yeah exactly. Yeah, think about that like in the traditional world. So at that you know I'm 58 now and so in the traditional world it'd be like you got seven years left, kind of thing. Right, it's a traditional retirement age, or what. \n\nDan: And then coach, you'd have 22 years. \n\nDean: I got 22 more years, even just to get to 80. Yeah, you know like that's the thing, and I just proved that it's possible. \n\nDan: Yes, that's what I'm saying. \n\nDean: Yes, that's what I'm saying, yes, that's what I mean. And to be you like, look at, you know one of the. You know the elements when we do the lifetime extender, when you ask people so how do you want to be on your 80th birthday? And you're saying you know, well, how do you want to be health physically? And you're saying, well, how do you want to be health physically? Well, I want to be climbing 40 states of stairs six times a day, swimming twice and hiking around my property. I want to be, recording podcasts. \n\nI want to be writing books, I want to be holding workshops, I mean developing thinking tools, all those things. I've been thinking a lot about cadences, you know, and you've really kind of tapped into this cadence of of the quarter. Quarterly cadence is because your days are really largely the same with an intention of moving towards quarterly outputs. You, you're creating quarterly books, you're creating new quarterly workshops and tools. And am I missing anything Like do you have annual goals or objectives? \n\nDan: Or is everything in terms of Well, the only, there's only one. The only one thing that we have, that's annual, would be the Free Zone Summit. That's once a year. \n\nSo, for example, every week I'm working on the summit which is in February next year, and so I'm always listening in the. So I have a series of speaking sets that people can, and I'm looking, yes, to a large group of people, half of whom aren't actually in the free zone. You know half of them next year, half of them won't even be, you know, in strategic coach. They're team members, free zone members, they're clients of the free zone members and everything like that. \n\nSo it's a challenge to me because you know coach people, know the routine, you know they come in, they understand what a whole day looks like thinking about your thinking. But for some people this is the first time in their life and the trick is, after the first hour they all feel as part of the same group and they're thinking you know. So anyway, it's a. It's an interesting, but that's only my annual thing. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: So I've you know I give a lot of thought to it. I work on it right now, six months, before I'm working on it every week. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: But that's the only one that is, and I wouldn't want to, no, exactly. \n\nDean: Do you? It's interesting that you say you're working on it every week. Do you have? Do you account for that in your calendar or do you just consciously like? Or do you say? \n\nDan: Some of it is just, some of it's just my time and it's, it's a certainty. Uncertainty worksheet. So I'm always working within the certainty. Uncertainty, this much is certain already. This is uncertain. \n\nSo then that's the next week. You have to have certain things move from uncertainty to certainty. Yes, we got the pat. We just got the patent on that, by the way, so that's a good tool. That's good. Yeah, yeah so, but I'm constantly my ears are constantly open. In all the workshops, people are dropping topics. You know. I said, yeah, think there's a, we got a role for you and you know, we got a role for you, because I want to get to people ahead of time, because some people don't come to the summit. \n\nSo if you spot them as a speaker, you want to make sure that something else isn't scheduled during the time when they come. So, yeah, it's going to be in Arizona this time. \n\nDean: That's what I hear. \n\nDan: It's all very exciting. \n\nDean: Anyway it's very exciting. \n\nDan: You mentioned the quarter. I really take quarters seriously. Other people have quarters, but they don't spend much time thinking about the quarter. \n\nDean: I said it's available. \n\nDan: It's sitting around there. You know, quarters are just sitting around. How much productivity, creativity, profitability can you get out of a quarter? \n\nDean: Yeah, I like that. That's my observation. Right Is that you're the tools of applying three days focus days, buffer days, in a quarterly cadence for the rest of your till 156. \n\nDan: 304. I have 304 left. 304 quarters left. Yeah, 304 quarters. You know David Hasse, whose clinic I can't, you know I can't recommend enough to people, but so we started two years ago with him. So it's August of 2022. We started working with him and we've had eight quarters and when we first came to the very first meeting in Nashville Maxwell Clinic, he said so what are we going to do with? \n\nyour health over the next 312 quarters right, he had me at hello he had me at hello oh yeah and we've done a lot in the last eight quarters we've done yeah, you know there's a lot of work and but yeah, he's got a deep dive program. It's really terrific. I mean it it's testing, testing, constant testing, and he's very alert to new stuff in the marketplace you know new breakthroughs. \n\nDean: What's your noticing now of your new needs in all these stairs that you're doing? \n\nDan: Yeah, the big thing is I have no problem going up. It's tender going down, and the problem is it's a 50-year-old injury and about 49-year-old injury and so the cartilage is completely restored. Okay, and that's a breakthrough. Stem cells can get things working. Stem cells, can you know they can? What stem cells essentially do is wake up the cells that are supposed to be doing the work or repairing them. \n\nDean: Hey, buddy, get back to work. \n\nDan: Yeah, and the, and this is detectable, this is measurable where? \n\nDean: they are. \n\nDan: So I always thought I'm missing a cartilage. And I went down there, so they and when I say down there it's Buenos Aires, in Argentina, and I've done five, four, four sessions, four sessions in five month period. And now my cartilage is the same thickness going from almost no cartilage in my left knee. It's the same width. You know, the thickness of the cartilage is the same as it was before the injury in 1975. So that's great, but it's still painful. So now he says what's happened is that there's been damage to the ligaments on both sides. \n\nAnd so now I go first week of November to Buenos Aires and they do stem cells on my ligaments, ok, ok, and then we'll see. We'll see what happens there. So wow. \n\nYeah, it's a matter of subtraction. You know you subtract the cartilage as the problem and then you submit and we'll see where it is. But I would say that the drop in pain in a day, in other words from morning till night, it's probably down 90%. Wow, that's amazing. But what's missing is the confidence to start running, because I want to run again and so I've been 15 years without running and my brain says don't run. \n\nSo I have to relearn how to run. And how about Babs? It's completely fixed. That's amazing, isn't it? Yeah? And the cartilage that was cartilage too, yeah, fixed. That's amazing, isn't it? Yeah, the cartilage that was cartilage too. She, yeah, she had influence, she had actually. She had bone inflammation and she had missing cartilage. So the cartilage is back and I think hers would be equal to mine. The pain is down by 90 wild, wild, that's. \n\nDean: It's amazing, isn't? It yeah we're living in. We're living in amazing times. Well, I'm counting on it. Yeah exactly. \n\nDan: You know it's a present number times a future story. \n\nDean: What a great thing. By the way, that book is going to arrive today, according to Amazon. For me, the money book. The other one will be here tomorrow morning. That's just so, like that's the best thing. \n\nDan: Why can't the I mean after you order it? Why aren't they knocking on the door right now? What's wrong with this world? \n\nDean: That's what I'm thinking. Is that why people call senators? Is that what I need to do is alert my senator? \n\nDan: about this. Yeah, I actually had a great conversation with Ted Budbutt. \n\nDean: Oh yeah. Well, that's great, great US senator from North Carolina, yeah and I just saw that Robert Kennedy just endorsed Donald Trump. He dropped out of the race and joined MAGA. \n\nDan: Yeah, I think it's probably. I was figuring it's worth 3%, do you think? Yeah, that's really interesting. Yeah, I mean, he brings a lot to Trump obviously brings a lot to it, but he brings a whole issue that the Republicans haven't been focused on at all and his whole thing is really about what the food industry is putting into food. Yeah, that that is very dangerous, very negative, very harmful. That's been his big thing, and Trump just came out and said I think we're going to really take a major look at this. \n\nDean: You know, it's very interesting to note that Joe Polish was sort of a catalyst in this regard. Oh yeah, that's pretty amazing. I just sent him a note. \n\nDan: I just sent him an email. I sent him an email. I said RFK Trump always said you were the greatest connector that I've ever met in my life. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's the truth, isn't it? And now you think about the historical impact. You know of this. I think that's you know. It's amazing. He's in his unique ability, for sure. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, but yeah, just born unique ability to connect people, positively connect people. Yes yes, yeah, there's all sorts of industries where it's negative, but this is positive, so good. Anyway, back to our metrics, back to our metrics yes. Yeah, well, I think you're working out a whole economic system based on this. I think this has got the making of a complete economic system. \n\nDean: Yes, it really does, the more that I see that each of them have and I'm very aware of naming the metrics right, of naming the metrics right like so out, because each of the before, during and after units all have their own, you know, their own metrics that are universally present in every business but they're differently calculated, you know, and once people have that awareness it kind of builds momentum, like they really see these things. They've never thought about a multiplier index in the during unit, or they've never thought about a return on relationship in the after unit or revenue From where you are right now? \n\nDan: which one is where you are right now? Which one is most important for your own? \n\nDean: you know your own money making for me, I think, one of the most. \n\nDan: I mean you got eight, I know yeah, yeah, the eight are all engaged, but right now August of 2024, which is the one that you're really focused on right now rev pop revenue per unconverted prospect. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's a multiplier If you've already got. You've got a lot of times when we take the VCR formula and kind of overlay on top of it. The excess capacity that people have is often a big asset, you know, and so it's very yeah, it's fun to to see all these at work. You know, as I start to you know, overlay them on so many different types of businesses. \n\nDan: Yeah, no, I'm just really taking I was. Shannon Waller's husband was reading this, same as every book His cottage is. Their cottage is about 10 minutes walk from our cottage and I just picked it up and I've converted almost completely over to Kindle. So you know, so I had it within minutes. \n\nDean: I picked it up. \n\nDan: I read a chapter and I said I'm going to download this. So I downloaded it and I've been reading it for the past four days. But I asked Bruce. We were out to dinner last night and I said Bruce and Bruce is an investor he had a career with Bell Canada. \n\nHe was 35 years, 35 years with Bell Canada Got a good pension and then he went into investing and I said this is about long range thinking, this is a very long range thinking book and it's almost like these are 23 things that are always going to be the same how you factor that into your investment philosophy, okay, yeah. \n\nAnd then he has a lot of references to Charlie Munger and Warren Buffett because, they're the long range, they're the most famous long range investors and Charlie's dead this year. But Warren Buffett said he said this year. But Warren Buffett said he said you know it's, the biggest problem with investing is the combination of greed and speed. You know, people want a huge payoff and they want it as fast as possible. Yes, and he said you know. And Warren Buffett, he says you know, you can't produce a child in a month by getting nine women pregnant. \n\nDean: It's profound and true. \n\nDan: It's a formula for complication in your future life. \n\nDean: Yeah, exactly. \n\nDan: Yeah, if each child has claims on half of your net worth, you probably have diminished your future. You probably have diminished your future. But anyway, and he says, the proper question is what's the investment I can make that has the highest return for the longest period of time? \n\nDean: Yes, I love that. That's great. \n\nDan: Well, if you take your eight profit activators and see them as separate investments. \n\nDean: Which I do. \n\nDan: And each of them is growing in return. That's really the only stock market you actually need. \n\nDean: Yes, that's what dawned on me with this revenue per unconverted prospect is I try and get people to think about their before unit as making a capital investment. \n\nDan: Well, you are in time attention, probably money, probably money too. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nBut most people think of it as an expense because they're running ads competing for the immediate ROI. And it's such a different game when you realize that the asset that you're creating of a pool of people who know you and like you and are marinating, you know that it makes a big difference Because the gestation period is, if you looked at the people that come into coach for the first time, if you were to look at their ad date in the CRM of when they first showed up on your radar, whether they opted in for something, that it's going to be a much bigger number than seven days. You know that they came in, they got, they talked to somebody and signed up. It's going to be a you know, a much longer period of time and the yield. This is the only way that having that revenue per unconverted prospect really gives you a way of seeing how valuable the people who've been in your pond for three years, five years, seven years I'm sure you have people who have been swimming around Strategic Coach for several years before they become. \n\nDan: One of the big changes that we're making is to switch the attention to those people away from the sales team to the marketing team. That's smart. Because, I have a framework for the salespeople and every time I meet with them, we have 14 full-time salespeople and every time I meet with we have 14, 14 sales full-time salespeople and I say yeses, reward you, noes, teach you and maybes, punish you. \n\nSo, I said, every week you're looking at your call list, you have to grade them yes, no. Or maybe at your call list, you have to grade them yes, no. Or maybe and I say, go for the yeses first, Get the no's as fast as possible, Okay and make them earn their way back into your prospect list. \n\nDean: In other words just say no. \n\nDan: You know it sounds like you're not going to do it. You know about us. We've had a conversation. We've got great materials we can send you constantly. But you know I'm not going to bother you anymore. And then there's maybes that are just trying to have an affair. \n\nDean: Right, exactly. \n\nDan: No, she isn't with us anymore. But we had a woman who is a salesperson and she had 60 calls over a six-year period with this person. I said I don't know what's on your mind, but he's having an affair. That's funny. It's a nice female voice. He gets to talk to her every month or so. It's an affair. That's exactly right. It's so funny. Anyway, we've shot way past the hour. \n\nDean: Oh my goodness, Dan Well, it was worth it. It was worth it. \n\nDan: I don't know for the listeners, but I found this a fascinating conversation. \n\nDean: Well, I find that too, so that's all that matters. If we had good, come along the ride. \n\nDan: I agree with if we were having a good time. I think they were having a good time I think, I'll talk to you next I'll talk to you next week. Thanks dan, bye-bye. Great, okay, bye. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, We contrasted northern summers\u0026#39; climate and lifestyle possibilities with those of Florida. The conversation shifted to exploring humanity’s relationship with money through storytelling and belief. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ePractical lessons included effective pricing, leveraging qualified leads, and attracting high-quality clients using books. Finally, the discussion provided entrepreneurial growth strategies like setting a quarterly cadence, applying profit activators, and valuing long-term relationships. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul style=\"list-style-type: circle;\"\u003e\n\u003c/center\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe discussed the serene and picturesque landscape of Canada's cottage country, including the unique charm and beauty of its lakes and legends, as well as the renowned Group of Seven artists.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eReflections on the contrast between the tranquil Canadian summers and the balmy climate of Florida, noting the ideal summer months in Canada.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe explored minimalistic lifestyle choices that gained popularity during the COVID-19 pandemic, such as the simplicity of a carnivore diet and practical wardrobe strategies.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe delved into the whimsical nature of financial decisions and the power of belief and storytelling in investment decisions, with a focus on how a stock's value is influenced by future narratives.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe discussed critical elements of pricing strategies, including promise, price, and proof, and the importance of pre-qualified, motivated leads in business, particularly in real estate.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eDean shared insights on leveraging books as tools for attracting high-quality clients, highlighting a successful collaboration that did not rely on upfront financial incentives.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe explored the eight profit activators and how smaller, intimate workshops can be as effective as larger gatherings in growing businesses.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe emphasized the importance of long-range investment thinking and nurturing long-term relationships with prospects, as well as the value of quarterly goals and structured cadences in extending professional careers.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe highlighted innovative health practices that can prolong peak earning years and enhance productivity, such as the benefits of continuous health improvements and monitoring.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe discussed the potential for creative and productive growth during challenging economic times, drawing insights from historical examples and a book that explores enduring human behaviors.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e mr sullivan mr jackson welcome to cloudlandia. And, uh, keep your feet on the mainland, that\u0026#39;s exactly right so you are calling from the northernmost outpost of cloudland and canada at its best beautiful weather it must be perfect right now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, I just got out of the lake. I was in the lake 15 minutes oh my goodness, wow I\u0026#39;ll be, very deep, like a week. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah, is it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh, that\u0026#39;s very yes, that\u0026#39;s quite cold. I mean, this is our one, two, three, four, fourth day and so I\u0026#39;m used to it now, but uh bracing yeah, yeah, because the nights have been very cold oh, I think the nights have been. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e The nights have been very cold, yeah well we got enough heat or we got enough heat to go around here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, you\u0026#39;ve had some. You\u0026#39;ve had some variable weather, should I call it that? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e yeah, exactly, I was just telling. I was just telling I need to. Uh, I\u0026#39;m ready to have snowboarding back in my life. That just makes more sense to me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, this is perfect. I mean, there\u0026#39;s a lot of your. Our listeners may not know this, but there\u0026#39;s this great romance to the cottage country in Canada. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e First of all, there\u0026#39;s a lot of lakes. I mean there\u0026#39;s literally in the thousands. I\u0026#39;m not talking about the big lakes, I\u0026#39;m not talking about the great lakes. I\u0026#39;m talking about, like ours, for example, is two miles by two miles. It\u0026#39;s almost a circle. It\u0026#39;s two miles by two miles, but there\u0026#39;s a circle. It\u0026#39;s two miles by two miles. But there\u0026#39;s a legend that there\u0026#39;s a hole in the middle, a very deep hole, and in the logging days they hooked chains to each other and put a weight at the end of one of the chains and then they kept putting the chains down and it went down a thousand feet and it was still not hitting bottom oh my goodness, it\u0026#39;s a portal to the center of the earth you know it invites all sorts of adventures, loch Ness. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWell, we haven\u0026#39;t seen that, we haven\u0026#39;t seen that it\u0026#39;s fresh. Yeah, well, loch Ness is a freshwater lake, but no, but there\u0026#39;s a romance. There\u0026#39;s a whole school of art called the Group of Seven and these were seven artists who did these amazing, amazing paintings. Not really natural. They have a real interesting quality to them and they were done from the teens till probably the 40s or 50s probably a 40-year period, seven artists. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey\u0026#39;re very famous and in Toronto at the Art Gallery, the Ontario Gallery of Art, they have a whole wing that\u0026#39;s just the paintings of these men. And then there\u0026#39;s a town north of Toronto called Kleinberg and they have a whole museum. There\u0026#39;s a whole McMichael gallery. And I never get tired. I\u0026#39;ve been here for 53 years and I can go in there and just sit for an hour and look at the magnificent art that these people created. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It is beautiful, yeah, yeah you\u0026#39;re right, yeah, canada in the summertime. I can\u0026#39;t imagine anywhere nicer, you know any of those temperate things. London or England is very nice in the summer. All of Europe, I\u0026#39;m sure. But yeah, it\u0026#39;s just, I\u0026#39;m realizing Florida\u0026#39;s a little hot yeah, you\u0026#39;re late to the realization. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I mean I\u0026#39;ve realized it all along. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s just that you know. Yeah, I\u0026#39;m starting to re-realize it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you had some comparison. You had a wonderful week in Toronto in July. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, three weeks I was there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Marvelous there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s what I mean, you\u0026#39;re realizing that Florida\u0026#39;s hot. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, just between us, Florida\u0026#39;s really hot during the summertime, you know, just between us. Florida is really hot during the summertime. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It was just. It was that contrast. I mean spending three weeks in Toronto June and July is it doesn\u0026#39;t get much better. It\u0026#39;s the perfect time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So well, there\u0026#39;s June and July, and then there\u0026#39;s winter. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Actually, I think we\u0026#39;re in for a long fall this year. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I\u0026#39;m doing this on 80 years of experience that when you have a very green summer, which means there was a lot of rain. We had more rain this year than I can remember since I\u0026#39;ve been here, and what it does is that the leaves don\u0026#39;t turn as quickly, and so we can expect still green trees at Halloween this year. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, wow, Okay, Looking forward to coming back up in a few weeks. I can\u0026#39;t believe it\u0026#39;s been 90 days already. I\u0026#39;m super excited about having you know a quarter, a coach quarter. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You\u0026#39;ve had a coach quarter. You\u0026#39;ve had a coach. You\u0026#39;ve had a coach quarter. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s what I mean. I\u0026#39;m very excited about having these coach quarterly Toronto visits in my future. This is yeah, yeah, it\u0026#39;s very good. So there I have had. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You\u0026#39;ve been thinking about things? Tell me you\u0026#39;ve been thinking about things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I have been thinking about my thinking and thinking about things all the while. This is, I think I\u0026#39;m coming up another, I think I\u0026#39;m coming up on a month of carnivore. Now, yeah, what it\u0026#39;s very interesting to me, the findings. You know it really it suits. It seems like it\u0026#39;s a very ADD compliant diet. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, in that it\u0026#39;s really only one decision. Because it\u0026#39;s just one decision. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, is it meat? That\u0026#39;s the whole thing. It\u0026#39;s like the Is it? Meat or is it fasting? Yeah, it\u0026#39;s the dietary equivalent of wearing a black shirt every day. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I wear a navy blue shirt every day. I took that strategy from you. It struck me as a very useful lifetime strategy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And I got into it during COVID. Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Because that was my COVID uniform I had. Basically I had jeans and a long sleeve shirt long sleeve t-shirt navy blue by Uniqlo, a Japanese company, and they\u0026#39;re the best, they\u0026#39;re the best, they\u0026#39;re the best. I bet I\u0026#39;ve worn the one I\u0026#39;m wearing today. I bet I\u0026#39;ve worn it a hundred times. So it looks pretty much out of the package. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it makes a big difference. So there\u0026#39;s lots of these arguments for these kind of mono decisions. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So I\u0026#39;m kind of thinking that through, you know, and seeing other places where that kind of thinking applies you know, yeah, what I notice more and more is that my life is really a function of habits, yes, and you got to make sure they\u0026#39;re good habits. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I\u0026#39;m thinking and seeing that more and more. Like I was looking in some of my past journals over the last week or so, I was looking back, like back to, you know, 2004, and just kind of randomly, you know, selecting the things. And you know, I do see that you\u0026#39;re only ever in the moment, right, because every entry that I\u0026#39;m making in the journal is made in real time, so I\u0026#39;m only ever there, you know, and that habit I often I wonder how many miles of ink lines I\u0026#39;ve written if you were to, if you were how many times I\u0026#39;ve circled the globe with my journals. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;d be a really interesting calculation, you know. But you realize that everything you\u0026#39;ve been saying about the bringing there here is really that\u0026#39;s absolutely true, like the only thing I\u0026#39;m doing. The common thing of that is I\u0026#39;m sitting in a comfy chair writing in my journal, but you\u0026#39;re never, you know, it\u0026#39;s all. But it\u0026#39;s funny to look back at it as capturing the moment, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you know, it\u0026#39;s really interesting. I see a lot more articles these days on journaling and just in the context of Cloudlandia and the mainland, it seems to me that it\u0026#39;s a way of staying in touch with your preferred mainland by journaling, because every day you\u0026#39;re conscious, you\u0026#39;re thinking about your thinking and I think, as Jeff Madoff and I have had a number of conversations about this, that as the world becomes more digital and I see no end to the possibilities that you can apply digital technology to something there\u0026#39;s a counter movement taking place where people are deliberately reconnecting with the mainland in a conscious way. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I\u0026#39;m aware of that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, carnivore is about as mainland as you can get. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s the truth, especially when there\u0026#39;s something primal about cooking. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The only thing further than that would be if you were eating yourself, which, in a sense, you are. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s so funny, but there is something magical about that. Can I tell? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e you not as full bore as yours, but this is my 33rd day of having steak for breakfast. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, Okay, did you open up the air fryer? Have you had an air fryer? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e steak yet. Oh yeah, it\u0026#39;s downstairs. We have one at the cottage and we\u0026#39;re going to get a new one at the house. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And what\u0026#39;s your experience? You brought it with us. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s not my experience, it\u0026#39;s Babs\u0026#39; experience. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean your experience of the eating. Yeah, oh no, it\u0026#39;s great. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, oh no, it\u0026#39;s great, it\u0026#39;s great, it\u0026#39;s delicious. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s super fast, I mean it\u0026#39;s super fast and it\u0026#39;s great and, yeah, I\u0026#39;m thinning out a bit, losing my COVID collection. I\u0026#39;m starting to get rid of my COVID collection. Yeah, belly, fat and fat otherwise, and that\u0026#39;s great and I do a lot of exercise when I\u0026#39;m at the cottage we have. There\u0026#39;s a stairway, a stone stairway that goes down to the dock 40 steps, and so I do it today. I\u0026#39;ll do it six times up and down. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh my goodness, wow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And then we have about a I would say, three quarters of a mile loop up the hill, through the woods and back down, and I\u0026#39;ll do that once today and I\u0026#39;ll do two swims. I\u0026#39;ll be in the lake for two swimming sessions and I noticed I really do a lot more exercise here and the whole point is to have it carry over when you get back to the city. Jump start yeah, I\u0026#39;ve got a great book for you, and the whole point is to have it carry over when you get back to the city Jumpstarting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve got a great book for you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you read on Kindle or do you buy actual books? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s two questions. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes to both. You do both Often. I\u0026#39;ll do three Often. I will do the Kindle and the book and the audio. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, well, there\u0026#39;s a great book that you\u0026#39;ll like, and it\u0026#39;s called Same as Ever. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, I like it already, but tell me about it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And the author\u0026#39;s name is Hosel H-O-E-S-E-L First name, I think, is Morgan Hussle. And what he shows? He\u0026#39;s got 23 little chapters about things that are always the same and it\u0026#39;s thought-provoking and he\u0026#39;s an investor. You know he\u0026#39;s an investor, but he talks about that. Humans, for the most part humans get smart at everything they do except one. What\u0026#39;s that Money? That\u0026#39;s probably true. And he says people are more fanciful when it comes to money than almost any other part of their life. Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that\u0026#39;s interesting. It\u0026#39;s giving me an option to buy his follow-up book which is the Psychology of Money. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I should get that too, too why not? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e yeah, all right, he\u0026#39;s got some great line. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean he quotes other people. He\u0026#39;s got the greatest definition of a stock you know, like stock market stock he\u0026#39;s got the greatest definition of a stock. I I don\u0026#39;t think I think he\u0026#39;s quoting somebody, but that a stock is a present number multiplied by a future story. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Ooh, that is true, isn\u0026#39;t it? A present number multiplied by a future story that is so good yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Isn\u0026#39;t that great. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s so good and true, it\u0026#39;s got the added benefit of being true. Yeah, I mean, it\u0026#39;s really. If not, what else it\u0026#39;s guessing and betting, right? It\u0026#39;s like we gauge our guessing and betting on we guess and bet on the strength of our belief in the story. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e A present number multiplied by a future story. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, that\u0026#39;s wild. It\u0026#39;s funny that you say that\u0026#39;s a very interesting. I was thinking about a pricing strategy for a client and he was saying I\u0026#39;m sure this has been. There\u0026#39;s probably somebody who\u0026#39;s said this before, I don\u0026#39;t know who, but I was looking at it as that it\u0026#39;s a combination of the promise and the price and the proof. And proof is really a story right, a belief that if you have him, you\u0026#39;re, if there\u0026#39;s something going wrong. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYes, proof is yeah, I mean it\u0026#39;s either that, yeah, it\u0026#39;s either. You know the promise is the articulated outcome of what you\u0026#39;re going to get, that you want that promise, but then the price is a factor of how much that promise is worth and your someone else yeah and the confidence that it\u0026#39;s going to happen. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, it\u0026#39;s a very interesting thing I was thinking about it in the context of our real estate that the realtors are will happily pay 40 of a transaction, up to 35 or 40% of a transaction. That\u0026#39;s a guaranteed transaction, like a referral. If I say, you know, if you send somebody a referral they\u0026#39;ll pay 40% because the promise and the proof is that you already got it. So you\u0026#39;re willing to pay 40% for the certainty of it. But when you say to buy a lead, you know to buy leads for $5 or $10, there\u0026#39;s not as much. You don\u0026#39;t have the proof that those leads are going to turn into into transactions. So there\u0026#39;s a risk. There\u0026#39;s a risk involved in that. It\u0026#39;s really, it\u0026#39;s pretty, it\u0026#39;s pretty amazing. I\u0026#39;ve been because you know I do a lot of real estate, lead generation and all kinds in all kinds of businesses. Lead generation and I\u0026#39;ve really been one of the distinctions I\u0026#39;ve been sharing with people is the, because a lot of times people ask well, are they good leads? You know, and it speaks to the, yeah, you know objective, yeah, you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And joe you, you and Joe Polish have a great definition of what a good lead is. I don\u0026#39;t remember the exact formula, but it\u0026#39;s pre-qualified, pre-motivated. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, predisposed you know predisposed. Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And one of the things that when we were doing the book deal with Ben Hardy and Tucker Max, before we approached Hay House, Tucker asked me a question. He said well, you\u0026#39;re not taking any money, you\u0026#39;re not taking any advances, you\u0026#39;re not taking any royalties for the book, which was true. So that was a real straight deal. You know why? Because it\u0026#39;s a mono decision. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m sorry. The book is a capability for me and that\u0026#39;s worth all the upfront money. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yeah, you know, and that was the advances. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, the advances were really good advances. I mean, they were six-figure advances. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I said, the reason is I don\u0026#39;t want to think about that. I just want to think about the capability that I have 24 hours a day, all around the world of someone picking up the book and reading it, and it\u0026#39;s a pre-qualified person. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s a pre-qualified person, in other words, the person who\u0026#39;s picking up the book and reading it would have the money and the qualifications to be in the strategic coach. The other thing is that it would pre-motivate them. They\u0026#39;re predisposed because they picked up the book. They\u0026#39;re pre-qualified because it\u0026#39;s meaningful to them. And then the next thing is they\u0026#39;ll give us a phone call. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know they\u0026#39;ll read the book\u0026#39;ll give us a phone call. You know they\u0026#39;ll give us a phone call. Or just go on. You know, go on to the website and read all about coach and everything like that. And so Tucker said so we sell a thousand books. What would make you happy in terms of actual someone signing up for the program? And I said one. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right and probably, probably. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I would want a hundred people Just trying to take care. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThis is why I\u0026#39;m going to come and do the eight profit Activators. Yeah, and the reason is that those books were right at. About the three books that we wrote were right around the 800,000. Wow, wow, and I could easily say we\u0026#39;ve had 800 clients pick it up, either picked it up and called us, or called us and we sent them the books. Yes, but it\u0026#39;s a marvelous system because it\u0026#39;s who, not how, in spades is that I have salespeople out there every 24 hours and they\u0026#39;re finding, finding new interested leads, they\u0026#39;re developing the leads and we don\u0026#39;t have to spend any time until they give us a call. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that\u0026#39;s fantastic and it\u0026#39;s doing. You know, part of the thing is I. This is why I always look at books as a profit activator three activity, which is educate and motivate. That people get educated about the concepts of who, not how, or the gap in the game or the idea that 10 times is easier than two times, and they see examples and see that this really fits, and then they\u0026#39;re motivated to call and get some help with that. I\u0026#39;m such a fan of books and podcasts as the perfect Profit Activator 3 activity. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I\u0026#39;ve been thinking a lot about our previous podcast where you took it through the what\u0026#39;s the value of your leads. I\u0026#39;m actually a really fan of that yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I love metrics. I\u0026#39;m a big metric. Well, metrics to me are when they are objective and measurable. They are a proof. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well and predictable. They\u0026#39;re predictable too. They\u0026#39;re a proof. Do a certain amount of activity, you can get a predictable metric. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve discovered a metric very much like Pareto in lead distribution. It just got, you know, hot off the press with Chris McAllister, who you know as well. Yeah, chris, so we\u0026#39;ve been doing a collaboration on, I\u0026#39;ve been helping them with lead generation and I asked him to do a I\u0026#39;ve been calling it a forensic census of what\u0026#39;s happened with the leads right and leads who\u0026#39;ve been in for more than a hundred days. So we just looked at the. That\u0026#39;s roughly three and a half months basically, and you know, of all of the leads that we had generated, 15% of them had sold their house with someone else, and so you look at that we did the math on the thing, that is the opportunity cost. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat is the exact thing that worked out, that the amount of that worked out to be over half a million dollars in lost opportunity. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, and that\u0026#39;s where. Yeah, no, it wasn\u0026#39;t lost, it was just a cost. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s exactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The money went into the wrong bank account. The money went into the wrong bank account. That\u0026#39;s exactly right. The money went into the wrong bank account. The money went into the wrong bank account. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s exactly right. So now that\u0026#39;s encouraging right, because I\u0026#39;ve got now three different forensic census analysis from three different parts of the country with three different realtors that all point to exactly the same thing 15 of people who\u0026#39;ve gone through a hundred days will do something, and so that is. That\u0026#39;s encouraging. You know, I think if I, if you look at that and start to say OK, there\u0026#39;s a pulse. That it means that the market. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The marketplace has a pulse. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. The lie rating and that we\u0026#39;re generating objectively good leads, meaning people who want to do. What the promise of the of the book is, you know, yeah. So, that\u0026#39;s very exciting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you know, it\u0026#39;s really interesting changing the subject slightly. So this author that writes the book Same as Ever that I just mentioned, he said that basically, when you look at the last hundred years, the decade of the 1930s was absolutely the most productive decade in US history. Wow, Based on what. And he said just how much got produced during the 1930s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Are you talking about the New Deal? No, he\u0026#39;s not talking about the New Deal at all. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e He\u0026#39;s actually talking that the reason was it was the worst decade economically in the United States history because of the Great Depression, but he said it was also the most creative and most productive. And he said that creativity and productivity don\u0026#39;t happen during good times, they only happen during bad times, the reason being the things that you thought. Let\u0026#39;s put it this way you\u0026#39;re going into the 1930s it was one of the hottest stock markets in the history of the United States the 1920s per capita, if you do it in relationship to the population and then suddenly it just stopped and everything that people believed was true, everything that they knew was predictably true, didn\u0026#39;t happen. And everybody woke up and said, oh my God. Well, everything we\u0026#39;ve been going on doesn\u0026#39;t work. And he said that\u0026#39;s the spur to creativity and productivity. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s not profitability, because the profitability happened in the 1940s and 1950s, but the productivity, the creativity, creating new things that were productive, happened during the 1930s. He said there\u0026#39;s no decade like it in US history in the last 100 years and I found that very striking. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I can\u0026#39;t wait to read it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I found that. It\u0026#39;s a thin book. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, I was going to say I like that\u0026#39;s my favorite. That\u0026#39;s my favorite and accessible words. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I like that too. It\u0026#39;s a win. And it\u0026#39;s a good title yeah, he doesn\u0026#39;t use more words than he needs. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It goes back to your. I\u0026#39;m coming awake to Dean Jackson\u0026#39;s 8 Profit Activators. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh good, after 12 years, this is good news. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m a tourist, I\u0026#39;m a late bloomer. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m a late developer. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, but it wasn\u0026#39;t that it was stored away, but it wasn\u0026#39;t brought right in front of me. But I think there\u0026#39;s a lot of very interesting insights that you have here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s true, and I just find more and more it\u0026#39;s. You know it\u0026#39;s the same, just feel like it\u0026#39;s. So when you look at this one thing you know, if I think about my one thing is this you know, working on the all the applications of this one model and seeing deeper and deeper layers of how it actually how it fits, you know, it is like you asked me 12 years ago what would be fascinating and motivating because I had come out of you know, 15 years I think we I think we were both sitting in our kitchen when this happened, yeah, yeah our kitchen. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, and I remember I was. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I remember I was using that I was I. I remember it distinctly because I think it\u0026#39;s the last time I used the landline. Isn\u0026#39;t that funny? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e that\u0026#39;s amazing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, because I had to sit up next to the counter because we\u0026#39;ve only got one landline. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I said I\u0026#39;ve got this. So I had to sit on a stool next to you know a counter and I remember the conversation. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I do too, and it was because I was coming out of 15 years of applying these eight profit activators to the growth of one specific business and Joe Polish had just taken that framework and started the I love marketing cast and I realized that\u0026#39;s my. I was realizing how applicable that kind of operating system that I had developed for, you know, growing our own business was applicable to all kinds of businesses and that was my fascinating thing and doing it in small groups as opposed to 500, 700 people at a time, and to this day, it\u0026#39;s still now 12 years later, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, can I ask you a question about that? If you did it differently. Could you do it with a group of 100? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, absolutely, and we\u0026#39;ve done it with you know, I\u0026#39;ve done it with 40 or 50. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah Well, if you can do it with 40 or 50, you could do it with 100. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, once you get past like 14 or so, the way the dynamics change. At about 14, more people, you end up having fractured conversations, and so that\u0026#39;s why, the way you do the workshops, you have the opportunity to have people have those conversations, but in groups of three or four, yeah, so rather than having breakouts. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, and then there\u0026#39;s a tool that everybody\u0026#39;s doing the same. Yes, yes. Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You\u0026#39;re exactly right. Yeah, and that\u0026#39;s an. All of them are all the eight profit activators are there, are tools, you know, there are thinking ways for it and yeah, but it\u0026#39;s just such a you know I want to ask you another question to what degree if you think about I think you said you\u0026#39;ve done about 600 from last conversation of your small groups, that\u0026#39;d be 50 groups, basically 50, 50 sessions. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e To what degree do they need to know their numbers to go through the process? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e well they. The challenge or the thing is that they don\u0026#39;t even know that these metrics exist. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo I work from the standpoint of they really, if I can give them the experience of it by. They know the top line and they know you know what they\u0026#39;re doing. But it doesn\u0026#39;t require the granularity to get the impact of it. You know, to understand. That\u0026#39;s where they can get their best intuitive sense of what that is and every single person has a realization that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eLet\u0026#39;s just say, even the just understanding how to divide the revenue into before unit, during unit and after unit is a big revelation for people and then they realize, you know, a lot of times I was just doing a consultation with a home services company and in home services it\u0026#39;s pretty standard to spend, you know standard to spend you know 12 to 15% of their revenue on advertising. But they do a lot of things and they don\u0026#39;t know often exactly what\u0026#39;s working. But when I pointed out to them that if we take you know, 30% of their business is coming from repeat people who\u0026#39;ve already done business with them, yet they\u0026#39;re measuring the 15 percent on that gross revenue, so their actual before unit cost is is way more because they\u0026#39;re spending all the money in the before unit and not really spending much if anything on the after unit, even though it\u0026#39;s bringing in 30% of the business. You know and it\u0026#39;s so funny because I was sharing with them too I was like to take this attitude of so they do HVAC and air conditioning and so I like for them to think of all the households that have one of their air conditioning units in it to be climates under management, you know, is to get that kind of asset that they\u0026#39;ve got 20 000 climates under management, and to take that and really just kind of look at what they could do even just with the after unit of their business. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, it\u0026#39;s so. It\u0026#39;s always eye-opening for people like to see when you start looking at those numbers and say, wow, I had never, I never thought of it like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know one of the things John Bowen and Kerry Oberbrenner and I are doing a collaboration on establishing the real numbers for entrepreneurism. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e In relationship to wealth and in relationship to happiness, relationship to wealth and in relationship to happiness. So John is arguably the top coach in the world for financial advisors at a very affluent level. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo all the clientele are very, so that would be for, and they\u0026#39;d be looking for, families. It would be sort of families and they\u0026#39;d be entrepreneurial families, okay, and I think that the sort of the preferred look is where the net worth of the family is in the 20 million and above level. Okay, and these are the advisors. So John\u0026#39;s clients are the advisors who do this, okay. And two years ago we did a survey where we compared the entrepreneurial clients or the entrepreneurial clients. What we surveyed was John\u0026#39;s clients as entrepreneurs. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, they\u0026#39;re entrepreneurs, and there were about 1 of them, 1300. And they were compared to 800 strategic coach clients and we saw all sorts of differences. One of them was the who, not how, factor, that generally our clients made more money per person and worked fewer hours than John\u0026#39;s 1,300. Yes, okay, and fairly significant. I mean like percent, different percent. And the other thing was that our clients expected to be busy. They expected to be active entrepreneurs for a much longer period than his clients. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that\u0026#39;s the greatest gift right there when you look at it. So you, as the lead by example of this the lead dog. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you know what they say about dog sleds you know the dogs in a dog sled. Yeah, if you\u0026#39;re not\u003cbr\u003e\nthe lead dog, the future always looks the same. Yes, exactly so I\u0026#39;m not looking up anybody\u0026#39;s rear end. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, right, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Anyway, but the big, thing, if you say we don\u0026#39;t have real proof and it would take 50 or 60 years to take a long study to see that we\u0026#39;re actually extending people\u0026#39;s actual lifetime. But I would say right now we could probably establish really good, really good research that were extending their careers by probably an average of 15 years at their peak earning. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah exactly. Yeah, think about that like in the traditional world. So at that you know I\u0026#39;m 58 now and so in the traditional world it\u0026#39;d be like you got seven years left, kind of thing. Right, it\u0026#39;s a traditional retirement age, or what. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And then coach, you\u0026#39;d have 22 years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I got 22 more years, even just to get to 80. Yeah, you know like that\u0026#39;s the thing, and I just proved that it\u0026#39;s possible. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, that\u0026#39;s what I\u0026#39;m saying. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, that\u0026#39;s what I\u0026#39;m saying, yes, that\u0026#39;s what I mean. And to be you like, look at, you know one of the. You know the elements when we do the lifetime extender, when you ask people so how do you want to be on your 80th birthday? And you\u0026#39;re saying you know, well, how do you want to be health physically? And you\u0026#39;re saying, well, how do you want to be health physically? Well, I want to be climbing 40 states of stairs six times a day, swimming twice and hiking around my property. I want to be, recording podcasts. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI want to be writing books, I want to be holding workshops, I mean developing thinking tools, all those things. I\u0026#39;ve been thinking a lot about cadences, you know, and you\u0026#39;ve really kind of tapped into this cadence of of the quarter. Quarterly cadence is because your days are really largely the same with an intention of moving towards quarterly outputs. You, you\u0026#39;re creating quarterly books, you\u0026#39;re creating new quarterly workshops and tools. And am I missing anything Like do you have annual goals or objectives? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Or is everything in terms of Well, the only, there\u0026#39;s only one. The only one thing that we have, that\u0026#39;s annual, would be the Free Zone Summit. That\u0026#39;s once a year. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo, for example, every week I\u0026#39;m working on the summit which is in February next year, and so I\u0026#39;m always listening in the. So I have a series of speaking sets that people can, and I\u0026#39;m looking, yes, to a large group of people, half of whom aren\u0026#39;t actually in the free zone. You know half of them next year, half of them won\u0026#39;t even be, you know, in strategic coach. They\u0026#39;re team members, free zone members, they\u0026#39;re clients of the free zone members and everything like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo it\u0026#39;s a challenge to me because you know coach people, know the routine, you know they come in, they understand what a whole day looks like thinking about your thinking. But for some people this is the first time in their life and the trick is, after the first hour they all feel as part of the same group and they\u0026#39;re thinking you know. So anyway, it\u0026#39;s a. It\u0026#39;s an interesting, but that\u0026#39;s only my annual thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So I\u0026#39;ve you know I give a lot of thought to it. I work on it right now, six months, before I\u0026#39;m working on it every week. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But that\u0026#39;s the only one that is, and I wouldn\u0026#39;t want to, no, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you? It\u0026#39;s interesting that you say you\u0026#39;re working on it every week. Do you have? Do you account for that in your calendar or do you just consciously like? Or do you say? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Some of it is just, some of it\u0026#39;s just my time and it\u0026#39;s, it\u0026#39;s a certainty. Uncertainty worksheet. So I\u0026#39;m always working within the certainty. Uncertainty, this much is certain already. This is uncertain. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo then that\u0026#39;s the next week. You have to have certain things move from uncertainty to certainty. Yes, we got the pat. We just got the patent on that, by the way, so that\u0026#39;s a good tool. That\u0026#39;s good. Yeah, yeah so, but I\u0026#39;m constantly my ears are constantly open. In all the workshops, people are dropping topics. You know. I said, yeah, think there\u0026#39;s a, we got a role for you and you know, we got a role for you, because I want to get to people ahead of time, because some people don\u0026#39;t come to the summit. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo if you spot them as a speaker, you want to make sure that something else isn\u0026#39;t scheduled during the time when they come. So, yeah, it\u0026#39;s going to be in Arizona this time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s what I hear. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s all very exciting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Anyway it\u0026#39;s very exciting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You mentioned the quarter. I really take quarters seriously. Other people have quarters, but they don\u0026#39;t spend much time thinking about the quarter. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I said it\u0026#39;s available. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s sitting around there. You know, quarters are just sitting around. How much productivity, creativity, profitability can you get out of a quarter? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I like that. That\u0026#39;s my observation. Right Is that you\u0026#39;re the tools of applying three days focus days, buffer days, in a quarterly cadence for the rest of your till 156. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e 304. I have 304 left. 304 quarters left. Yeah, 304 quarters. You know David Hasse, whose clinic I can\u0026#39;t, you know I can\u0026#39;t recommend enough to people, but so we started two years ago with him. So it\u0026#39;s August of 2022. We started working with him and we\u0026#39;ve had eight quarters and when we first came to the very first meeting in Nashville Maxwell Clinic, he said so what are we going to do with? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eyour health over the next 312 quarters right, he had me at hello he had me at hello oh yeah and we\u0026#39;ve done a lot in the last eight quarters we\u0026#39;ve done yeah, you know there\u0026#39;s a lot of work and but yeah, he\u0026#39;s got a deep dive program. It\u0026#39;s really terrific. I mean it it\u0026#39;s testing, testing, constant testing, and he\u0026#39;s very alert to new stuff in the marketplace you know new breakthroughs. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e What\u0026#39;s your noticing now of your new needs in all these stairs that you\u0026#39;re doing? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, the big thing is I have no problem going up. It\u0026#39;s tender going down, and the problem is it\u0026#39;s a 50-year-old injury and about 49-year-old injury and so the cartilage is completely restored. Okay, and that\u0026#39;s a breakthrough. Stem cells can get things working. Stem cells, can you know they can? What stem cells essentially do is wake up the cells that are supposed to be doing the work or repairing them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Hey, buddy, get back to work. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and the, and this is detectable, this is measurable where? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e they are. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So I always thought I\u0026#39;m missing a cartilage. And I went down there, so they and when I say down there it\u0026#39;s Buenos Aires, in Argentina, and I\u0026#39;ve done five, four, four sessions, four sessions in five month period. And now my cartilage is the same thickness going from almost no cartilage in my left knee. It\u0026#39;s the same width. You know, the thickness of the cartilage is the same as it was before the injury in 1975. So that\u0026#39;s great, but it\u0026#39;s still painful. So now he says what\u0026#39;s happened is that there\u0026#39;s been damage to the ligaments on both sides. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd so now I go first week of November to Buenos Aires and they do stem cells on my ligaments, ok, ok, and then we\u0026#39;ll see. We\u0026#39;ll see what happens there. So wow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, it\u0026#39;s a matter of subtraction. You know you subtract the cartilage as the problem and then you submit and we\u0026#39;ll see where it is. But I would say that the drop in pain in a day, in other words from morning till night, it\u0026#39;s probably down 90%. Wow, that\u0026#39;s amazing. But what\u0026#39;s missing is the confidence to start running, because I want to run again and so I\u0026#39;ve been 15 years without running and my brain says don\u0026#39;t run. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo I have to relearn how to run. And how about Babs? It\u0026#39;s completely fixed. That\u0026#39;s amazing, isn\u0026#39;t it? Yeah? And the cartilage that was cartilage too, yeah, fixed. That\u0026#39;s amazing, isn\u0026#39;t it? Yeah, the cartilage that was cartilage too. She, yeah, she had influence, she had actually. She had bone inflammation and she had missing cartilage. So the cartilage is back and I think hers would be equal to mine. The pain is down by 90 wild, wild, that\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s amazing, isn\u0026#39;t? It yeah we\u0026#39;re living in. We\u0026#39;re living in amazing times. Well, I\u0026#39;m counting on it. Yeah exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know it\u0026#39;s a present number times a future story. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e What a great thing. By the way, that book is going to arrive today, according to Amazon. For me, the money book. The other one will be here tomorrow morning. That\u0026#39;s just so, like that\u0026#39;s the best thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Why can\u0026#39;t the I mean after you order it? Why aren\u0026#39;t they knocking on the door right now? What\u0026#39;s wrong with this world? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s what I\u0026#39;m thinking. Is that why people call senators? Is that what I need to do is alert my senator? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e about this. Yeah, I actually had a great conversation with Ted Budbutt. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah. Well, that\u0026#39;s great, great US senator from North Carolina, yeah and I just saw that Robert Kennedy just endorsed Donald Trump. He dropped out of the race and joined MAGA. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think it\u0026#39;s probably. I was figuring it\u0026#39;s worth 3%, do you think? Yeah, that\u0026#39;s really interesting. Yeah, I mean, he brings a lot to Trump obviously brings a lot to it, but he brings a whole issue that the Republicans haven\u0026#39;t been focused on at all and his whole thing is really about what the food industry is putting into food. Yeah, that that is very dangerous, very negative, very harmful. That\u0026#39;s been his big thing, and Trump just came out and said I think we\u0026#39;re going to really take a major look at this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, it\u0026#39;s very interesting to note that Joe Polish was sort of a catalyst in this regard. Oh yeah, that\u0026#39;s pretty amazing. I just sent him a note. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I just sent him an email. I sent him an email. I said RFK Trump always said you were the greatest connector that I\u0026#39;ve ever met in my life. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s the truth, isn\u0026#39;t it? And now you think about the historical impact. You know of this. I think that\u0026#39;s you know. It\u0026#39;s amazing. He\u0026#39;s in his unique ability, for sure. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, but yeah, just born unique ability to connect people, positively connect people. Yes yes, yeah, there\u0026#39;s all sorts of industries where it\u0026#39;s negative, but this is positive, so good. Anyway, back to our metrics, back to our metrics yes. Yeah, well, I think you\u0026#39;re working out a whole economic system based on this. I think this has got the making of a complete economic system. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, it really does, the more that I see that each of them have and I\u0026#39;m very aware of naming the metrics right, of naming the metrics right like so out, because each of the before, during and after units all have their own, you know, their own metrics that are universally present in every business but they\u0026#39;re differently calculated, you know, and once people have that awareness it kind of builds momentum, like they really see these things. They\u0026#39;ve never thought about a multiplier index in the during unit, or they\u0026#39;ve never thought about a return on relationship in the after unit or revenue From where you are right now? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e which one is where you are right now? Which one is most important for your own? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e you know your own money making for me, I think, one of the most. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean you got eight, I know yeah, yeah, the eight are all engaged, but right now August of 2024, which is the one that you\u0026#39;re really focused on right now rev pop revenue per unconverted prospect. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s a multiplier If you\u0026#39;ve already got. You\u0026#39;ve got a lot of times when we take the VCR formula and kind of overlay on top of it. The excess capacity that people have is often a big asset, you know, and so it\u0026#39;s very yeah, it\u0026#39;s fun to to see all these at work. You know, as I start to you know, overlay them on so many different types of businesses. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, no, I\u0026#39;m just really taking I was. Shannon Waller\u0026#39;s husband was reading this, same as every book His cottage is. Their cottage is about 10 minutes walk from our cottage and I just picked it up and I\u0026#39;ve converted almost completely over to Kindle. So you know, so I had it within minutes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I picked it up. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I read a chapter and I said I\u0026#39;m going to download this. So I downloaded it and I\u0026#39;ve been reading it for the past four days. But I asked Bruce. We were out to dinner last night and I said Bruce and Bruce is an investor he had a career with Bell Canada. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHe was 35 years, 35 years with Bell Canada Got a good pension and then he went into investing and I said this is about long range thinking, this is a very long range thinking book and it\u0026#39;s almost like these are 23 things that are always going to be the same how you factor that into your investment philosophy, okay, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then he has a lot of references to Charlie Munger and Warren Buffett because, they\u0026#39;re the long range, they\u0026#39;re the most famous long range investors and Charlie\u0026#39;s dead this year. But Warren Buffett said he said this year. But Warren Buffett said he said you know it\u0026#39;s, the biggest problem with investing is the combination of greed and speed. You know, people want a huge payoff and they want it as fast as possible. Yes, and he said you know. And Warren Buffett, he says you know, you can\u0026#39;t produce a child in a month by getting nine women pregnant. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s profound and true. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s a formula for complication in your future life. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, if each child has claims on half of your net worth, you probably have diminished your future. You probably have diminished your future. But anyway, and he says, the proper question is what\u0026#39;s the investment I can make that has the highest return for the longest period of time? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I love that. That\u0026#39;s great. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, if you take your eight profit activators and see them as separate investments. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Which I do. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And each of them is growing in return. That\u0026#39;s really the only stock market you actually need. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, that\u0026#39;s what dawned on me with this revenue per unconverted prospect is I try and get people to think about their before unit as making a capital investment. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you are in time attention, probably money, probably money too. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut most people think of it as an expense because they\u0026#39;re running ads competing for the immediate ROI. And it\u0026#39;s such a different game when you realize that the asset that you\u0026#39;re creating of a pool of people who know you and like you and are marinating, you know that it makes a big difference Because the gestation period is, if you looked at the people that come into coach for the first time, if you were to look at their ad date in the CRM of when they first showed up on your radar, whether they opted in for something, that it\u0026#39;s going to be a much bigger number than seven days. You know that they came in, they got, they talked to somebody and signed up. It\u0026#39;s going to be a you know, a much longer period of time and the yield. This is the only way that having that revenue per unconverted prospect really gives you a way of seeing how valuable the people who\u0026#39;ve been in your pond for three years, five years, seven years I\u0026#39;m sure you have people who have been swimming around Strategic Coach for several years before they become. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e One of the big changes that we\u0026#39;re making is to switch the attention to those people away from the sales team to the marketing team. That\u0026#39;s smart. Because, I have a framework for the salespeople and every time I meet with them, we have 14 full-time salespeople and every time I meet with we have 14, 14 sales full-time salespeople and I say yeses, reward you, noes, teach you and maybes, punish you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo, I said, every week you\u0026#39;re looking at your call list, you have to grade them yes, no. Or maybe at your call list, you have to grade them yes, no. Or maybe and I say, go for the yeses first, Get the no\u0026#39;s as fast as possible, Okay and make them earn their way back into your prospect list. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e In other words just say no. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know it sounds like you\u0026#39;re not going to do it. You know about us. We\u0026#39;ve had a conversation. We\u0026#39;ve got great materials we can send you constantly. But you know I\u0026#39;m not going to bother you anymore. And then there\u0026#39;s maybes that are just trying to have an affair. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, she isn\u0026#39;t with us anymore. But we had a woman who is a salesperson and she had 60 calls over a six-year period with this person. I said I don\u0026#39;t know what\u0026#39;s on your mind, but he\u0026#39;s having an affair. That\u0026#39;s funny. It\u0026#39;s a nice female voice. He gets to talk to her every month or so. It\u0026#39;s an affair. That\u0026#39;s exactly right. It\u0026#39;s so funny. Anyway, we\u0026#39;ve shot way past the hour. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh my goodness, Dan Well, it was worth it. It was worth it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t know for the listeners, but I found this a fascinating conversation. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I find that too, so that\u0026#39;s all that matters. If we had good, come along the ride. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I agree with if we were having a good time. I think they were having a good time I think, I\u0026#39;ll talk to you next I\u0026#39;ll talk to you next week. Thanks dan, bye-bye. Great, okay, bye. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, We contrasted northern summers' climate and lifestyle possibilities with those of Florida. The conversation shifted to exploring humanity’s relationship with money through storytelling and belief. \r\n\r\nPractical lessons included effective pricing, leveraging qualified leads, and attracting high-quality clients using books. Finally, the discussion provided entrepreneurial growth strategies like setting a quarterly cadence, applying profit activators, and valuing long-term relationships. \r\n","date_published":"2024-09-25T10:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/55a6207b-664d-4f3e-a03b-b6cd4e13c324.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":54676667,"duration_in_seconds":3417}]},{"id":"acbdd9ec-09fa-4183-9498-7199aac21c24","title":"Ep133: Unlocking Literary and Entrepreneurial Secrets","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/133","content_text":"In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, We glean valuable insights into writing methods by contrasting Stephen King's solo approach with James Patterson's collaborations. \n\nWe explored the benefits of a second-person narrative and tailoring content for specific readers. We talked about an entrepreneur who built a candy empire by recognizing an opportunity and exemplifying the power of vision, focus, and innovative thinking. \n\nHis story highlighted how early experiences shape goals and the importance of collaboration. Additionally, this discussion examined how US elections impact businesses and underscored innovation and marketing's crucial roles. \n\nLastly, we covered strategic concepts like revenue per unconverted prospect and discussed books' significance in education.\n\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\n\n\n  I explore the contrasting writing styles of Stephen King and James Patterson, focusing on King's solo approach and Patterson's collaborative method.\n  I discuss the benefits of writing in the second person to create a more engaging and conversational tone for specific audiences, such as experienced entrepreneurs.\n  I share the story of a young entrepreneur who successfully identified a market gap and built a low-sugar candy company, emphasizing the importance of single-minded focus and methodical growth.\n  I delve into the significance of visionary goals and collaborative efforts in driving entrepreneurial success, using personal anecdotes and experiences as examples.\n  I analyze the impact of US presidential elections on business sales, highlighting how different election outcomes can shape various business landscapes.\n  I introduce the concept of revenue per unconverted prospect (rev pup) and its role in strategic business planning, particularly in understanding client gestation periods.\n  I examine the financial dynamics of a signature program, discussing how a $15,000 fee per participant can generate significant revenue and emphasizing the importance of capital investment in lead generation.\n  I highlight the role of books in attracting and educating prospects, particularly those published with Hay House, and their efficacy in creating qualified leads and fostering deeper understanding among participants.\n  I discuss the benefits of a high-protein, low-carb keto diet and share personal plans, including a trip to the cottage and trying a new French establishment, Cafe Balloud.\n  I reflect on the importance of focusing on one thing for entrepreneurial success, using the example of a young entrepreneur who built a low-sugar candy empire and the notion of always striving to go further in one's pursuits.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean: Mr Sullivan, mr Jackson there he is Well. Yeah, I had a great week. Yeah, I'm very busy. We started a new book. The previous one went to the printer on Tuesday and we started the next book on Thursday, so this is the fastest that we've gotten to a new one. Oh, I like that Right into the next. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, yeah don't know what stephen king, the author that's his habit of he writes for. You know he writes every day a certain amount of time and as soon as he finishes one of the end on one if it's halfway through a session he gets a new sheet of paper and starts the next one. He doesn't like sit on his laurels, he just gets right into the next one. It's very interesting. \n\nDean: Yeah, I'm wondering because I don't really know much about him. Is he right strictly alone? \n\nDan: and then, yes, you know, yeah, like, so it's a very interesting thing that he's like a rugged individualist, whereas you know, james patterson is definitely a who, not how, collaborator, you know, and prolific at it. He's got a really, really interesting process in that he does extensive outlines for his books and then he collaborates with someone to fill it in, to do the actual right, and then he gets with them and gives notes and so the book is a hundred percent. He's the author. I guess you can say, and then, but gives the, but gives the co-author the latitude to take it, exercise their creativity or whatever and how it goes. But he's got the basic. You know, he's created the outline and the story art Pretty extensive outlining process he has I took a I don't know whether you've ever seen and the story arc Pretty extensive outlining process he has I took a I don't know whether you've ever seen. \n\nThere's a website called Master Class and they have, like the best in fields, doing a master class on their thing, and so James Patterson was one of the first. He did a thing on writing and yeah, it's very, it's very well done. Do you think they actually reveal what they actually do? Yeah, I think so. I mean it's from seeing the things. Yeah, he actually shows actual outlines, outlines, and you know, I imagine there's nothing you know. Sharing the process is very empowering for other authors, just like I think you don't keep one and has observed you, observed you doing it. I've got one right in my backpack right here, right now. I've got the everything is created backward book right here and I just think this format, it's so you know, it's, you're so consistent in the output of it, it's amazing. \n\nDean: Yeah, I just wonder. There was a story of a martial arts master in. Asia, china, and he was known throughout the land as the greatest martial arts master. And then he had a student who was just prodigious he was a prodigy. And so he had a student who was just prodigious he was a prodigy. \n\nAnd so he taught him. And then the student went off and made a name for himself and then came back one day and he says as far as I can see, there's just you and me, he said to the master, and he said so why don't we settle it right now to see who's actually the master? Okay, and so they did it and the student had his master at a great disadvantage. And then the master pulled out a trick he had never seen before and defeated the student. \n\nAnd the student said I thought you taught me everything he says, except for one thing. \n\nDan: Great, I love that, except for one thing. \n\nDean: I love it, and I'm not saying that I have one thing, but I'm saying that there's something that happens in a creative process that involves a lot of other people. So I have Shannon Well, I do my outlines to be my version of James Patterson our fast filters, and so I do the fast filter, which is basically the structure of each section of the book the introduction, there's eight chapters and there's a conclusion, so 10 sections and each of them has a fast filter with a best and worst. And I do everything in the second person, personal, so I'm always talking to you you know, whoever the reader is, I'm always talking to. \n\nthe reader allows me to do is to bypass, research being a too quick start. I'm not heavy on the research side, right, and what you're depending upon is the research that the reader has already done in his or her life. That this makes sense, and that's you know, that's the second. \n\nDan: That's. That's a. That's a real secret. You know that. Like it, it's really. It's the best to read as well, because it feels like a conversation, feels like you're just talking to me and explaining something that is that you wouldn't have, as if you were just writing a letter to me about it. \n\nDean: Well, you do that when you're talking. I mean you know, I mean, I think you you use the second yeah everything I do it's the same. \n\nDan: I do the same every email that I write. All of that is that because that's the I think that's the most engaging right. \n\nDean: Like people, it's easy to get engaged with that when it feels like it's just you and me, and so I'm just trying to think here of the, because I'm only talking to a certain kind of person, you know. \n\nDan: I'm not writing for the world. \n\nDean: I'm only talking to one, someone who's an entrepreneur with experience and with success, and so I'm simply reflecting in my talk what I already know about this person's life. \n\nDan: I think that goes a long way, that one of the great, like you know, models of that is thinking about one person as if you're writing a letter to one person, or even a small workshop filled with whoever you're, you know, whoever filled with the right people and only speaking to those Something to that you know where you're not. You don't try and I think people often in marketing writing especially, they are trying to accommodate or change so that, just in case these people aren't this or that, they don't know about this. And I'm like you know what you gotta like avoid. You gotta let go of the bottom 20% and write as if you're only writing for the top 20%. You're writing to the people who want to do what it is that you're doing, not, you know, leaning on your back foot kind of thing. You're leaning into helping the people, the tippy top group. \n\nThat really want what you have, and don't hold back on that, you know. \n\nDean: Yeah. Yeah, it's really interesting. I made it. I think I mentioned this on a previous podcast, but I made a decision as I was approaching you know my current age. \n\nI said you know I've been Well, that's something everybody can do, you know approaching your current age. Anyway, I just made a decision I wasn't going to do any speeches anymore to big rooms. The only public presentations I would do would be to entrepreneurial audiences, but I would only do it in the form of a thinking tool. I wouldn't try to tell them how the world is or where I see the world going. I simply say I have a thinking tool for you. \n\nAnd what it relates to is you know something that happens to entrepreneurs and I'm going to ask you a bunch of questions about it and then I'm going to have you think through your answers and everything like that, and then I'll have you talk to each other, and then we'll come back and we'll just share insights. And that relieved me. I didn't like public speaking and the reason was that I knew I was only talking to about a small percentage of the room. \n\nDan: And. \n\nDean: I didn't know who they were. You don't know which ones, right? Yeah, I didn't know who in the audience, and then you're trying to make it appeal. \n\nDan: Just even subconsciously, you're trying to make it appealing to everybody. Yeah, yeah, just uses a lot of energy and this is, you know what, this way, doing these, I would argue, you know, doing these 90-day books, quarterly books that you're doing is way more impactful than doing speeches to big crowds. \n\nDean: This is really the big thing and I've sort of refined it about my decision about not giving talks to large groups. Talks to large groups when I'm in the office either the Toronto office or the Chicago office the coach will frequently say can you come in and talk to the group? And I'm always a bit puzzled. I don't know what to talk to them about. What I've done recently is that I have a big table in the cafes Toronto or Chicago and I say I'm going to have lunch and anybody who wants to come in and talk to me, you can come in and have lunch with me. \n\nSo usually about eight people, and that works out really great because the only people who show up are the people who actually want to talk to me. \n\nDan: Yeah, exactly that's great. Great, I like that. Yeah, that's my favorite. My preferred style, too, is just that is the here I am. Ask me anything, you know, that's the way I can show up the best for things you know. \n\nDean: That's yeah, that's always been. Have you been that way all the time, or is it developed? \n\nDan: I think it's always been my preference. I have the capability to do a prepared presentation. It's not my preference, but I just like being able to customize the message to whatever somebody wants to hear. You know, so a lot of time I don't do really I don't do prepared like keynote talks anymore. I much prefer like fireside chats kind of thing, where we'll do an interview and I can take it where. What I'd much rather do Q\u0026amp;A, because it can be directed in whatever they're specifically interested in and I can think quickly and articulate an answer. So they're not going to stump me. I know that much. \n\nSo I prefer that and I think it feels to people there's a more, there's a different energy to it's an improv theater element to it right where it's flying without a net and you know you, there's always that danger that somebody is going to stump you or ruffle you or whatever, but they're not so that that confidence to be able to do it. And I've done enough thinking about my core ideas that I can adapt them with, you know, simplifying stories or examples that work, Of course, I think one of the things that's true about both of us. \n\nDean: we've been out there long enough that people who really want to get in touch with us know how to do it. \n\nDan: All right, exactly, yeah. Yeah, I was just thinking about that. I was thinking that on the way over, I'm in Orlando right now, I'm in the Tesla mobile podcast recording studio parked under an h80 tree today, and but I was on the drive over. I was thinking about that different. Just doing some assessment things on the different types of like if you're doing a wealth matrix or whatever, in terms of one of the things we do with our listing agent lifestyle things is this balance between daily joy, abundant time and financial peace, and I was thinking about the different kinds of advantages that people can have. I have complete time freedom. Basically, I have very little demands on my time in a recurring way, so I have self-direction on what you know you would call freedom of time. \n\nDean: You know I would call that freedom of time. Exactly. I think the term that you're looking for, dean, is freedom of time, that's so funny. \n\nDan: But the other thing is along with that time I was joking with somebody the other day. You know I'm in the middle of a project for myself here but I was saying to them that just jokingly, you know I've got access to Dean Jackson for free. And I look at that as one of my greatest assets access to me for free? \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: Anytime, anytime, that's exactly right. \n\nDean: If he's in a good mood. \n\nDan: If I can only wrangle him, you know, wrestle him down. \n\nDean: If I can get his attention, if I can get his attention. Attention I can only get him to apply himself. \n\nDan: That would be the thing right yeah we'd be on to something. \n\nBut I think that the other thing is you know, you know, as far as vcr, you know, assets go, this, I've got so much, so many vision capabilities. You know like I, I know a lot of things that can be applied to a lot of things, and it's really the. You know the job. The struggle, let's say, is to direct that to one thing. You know, it's like the, it's like you. I remember we talked about offer briar one time that he you know, I was just. \n\nDean: I was just as you said, that I was just thinking of him you know, exactly at that moment that you said his name. I was thinking about him, isn't that? \n\nDan: funny that you, you know, I remember you telling the story of being with him and I've had the same conversations with him that his model, his technology, just for people listening. He's a brilliant guy. He's able to simplify learning and teaching models so he can really teach somebody how to learn anything and become a master at it in a very compressed amount of time and become a master at it in a very compressed amount of time, and his, you know, assertion is that he could do this for anything. It can be any skill that somebody wants to learn, and I think you were one of my favorite stories. You were at a dinner with him. \n\nDean: I believe you were in Israel, right, tel Aviv, yeah. \n\nDan: And said well, I'll let you tell the way you described it no, I just. \n\nDean: it was a, you know, a very short comment. \n\nDan: And I said. \n\nDean: I said, you know, I think you really want to be known for this, for being able to teach anybody anything. But the problem is you can't focus on one thing. And you only become really well known if you can't focus on one thing, and you only become really well known if you can do one thing, really great. And you know, and he just laughed and he smiled, and you know he, he nodded and agreed, that was true and you know, and that's where I think it's very important to have guidance from outside of. \n\nYou know what's the best thing for you to apply your talents to, your one talent, your greatest talent, what's? The best thing to do for that. And you know and what would you think with VCR? What would be the? \n\nDan: Well, that's where I'd go. You know, is that this is? You know, even the marketing, you know is certainly the one. It's one thing, but there's so many applications of that you know, that's where I struggle, but what? \n\nDean: would be? I guess I'm asking the question again what would be the best? I mean the, you know. I mean even in the strategic coach. I'm for entrepreneurs, you know the strategic coach is for entrepreneurs talented, successful, ambitious entrepreneurs. I say yeah, but not all of them. Not all of them. You can check off those three boxes. I'm for the ones who are really driven to collaborate with other entrepreneurs to create a new thing, that hasn't existed before. So, you know, and I think this gets more refined, Wouldn't you find? \n\nof who you would spend your time with 10 years ago that you wouldn't spend time with them today? Yeah, no, I think you're absolutely right. \n\nDan: I think there's, yeah, there is that. Yeah, no, I think you're absolutely right. I think there's, yeah, there is that. I was it's so. I was, just as a sidebar, was listening to a podcast the how I built this podcast with Guy Raz and the the thing that one of the most recent guests was this young, the young lady. She's 26 or seven now. When she was 21, she started a company to make low sugar gummy bears and evolved that product line to other low sugar gelatinous treats and the company is called Smart Sweets and four years after building it, she sold 80% of it for $360 million, you know, as a 25 year old or 26 year old, in a four year period. And it's just, I mean, it's amazing, right, that one thing focus of doing that it unfortunately feels like it's the way is one thing. If your goal is building wealth, it feels like, I guess. \n\nDean: Was that her intention to do that, or was that a stroke of I? \n\nDan: think she wanted to. You know she wanted to create. She saw a gap in the market for low sugar candy right, that people like candy, but they're, you know it's so high in sugar and corn syrup and all the bad things, right. So she was looking for healthy alternatives and and there were really none. And so she figured, boy, if I could get, if I could figure this out, there'd be a, I think, a big market for it. \n\nDean: And she was right. \n\nDan: I mean she was definitely right and yeah, but went through. You know that whole process and you know, immediately kind of hit a third stride with it. But you look at, you know, the simplest businesses, you know, like that, imagine at some point beyond the idea and the execution of launching it that it's a different. It's a different game than the, it's a different game than the idea and the, the blueprints kind of thing, you know. And there's something that's I'm sort of resistant to or I find it hard to. You know, focus on just taking one thing all the way, kind of thing you know, that's been like. \n\nI look at. You know you look at, I see it among my. It's one of my most successful clients. You know that they're focused on one thing we crack the code on the marketing and create a multiplier for it that drives for the next three or four years and then they sell. \n\nDean: You know it's a big yeah but single-minded focus for that period of time it's an interesting thing because that's a particular payoff for doing one thing. In other words, you know 300 million or whatever at 26, but you can also have a method that you constantly want to be growing and you know, the success is sort of a byproduct of the method. I would say that I have sort of a one thing, but it isn't a payoff or an event, it's actually it's a process you know, and but it's. \n\nI think part of it is just always be creating new things and then, to give evidence that they're actually new things, have it in the form that other people can use them, like thinking this is one you know or workshops you know, or quarterly books and and everything else. But but I I like yeah that's true. \n\nDan: Yeah, like I look at that, that you're in a lot of ways, you know, I look at this as your Jiro dreams of sushi kind of you know experience of pursuing mastery of collaborative thinking tools for ambitious entrepreneurs at the highest level. You know, with a trillion dollar free zone, you know economy as the, you know, at 100 years old, that's a very, you know, that's a very ambitious north star right that that's the direction that everything is heading and it gives you enough, there's enough, uh, variety in the constant creation of new things. And I think there's something elegant about this quarterly book cadence supported by quarterly workshops and that model with new tools and a organizational support for, in the wake of what you're creating, that you're always on the lead. \n\nYou're always on the lead ship in the armada, car-charging the course and heading to the $15 trillion future right and bringing on the free zone people on the lead ship and everything behind an armada of other coaches and the signature program, the 10 times program, all kind of headed in that same direction. \n\nDean: Yeah, I would say that it really stems from an experience I had. \n\nI think it was about 10 years old and I've mentioned this that I was out walking in the fields of the farm that I grew up on. It was in February, you know, very clear, bright day, cold but very bright and sunny. I think it was still 54. The airliners were still mostly propeller. I think this was a DC-6. It struck me that it had four engines. It was either flying from Cleveland to Chicago or flying from New York to. \n\nWe were in the flight path of those type of destinations and I was watching and all of a sudden I just got this feeling. It was a question that came to me and it's saying I wonder how far I can go, and that's kind of framed it for the last 70 years. I wonder how far I can go, and that's kind of framed it for the last 70 years. I wonder how far I can go. I've done this Now I wonder, and whenever I hit one level of measurable achievement, measurable success, then the question always comes to me Now I wonder how far I can go. So I think that's my one thing, I think that's my. \n\nOne thing is just that it's a question, it's not an answer, it's actually a question now I wonder how far I can go and that requires, you know, being in good health, being, you know, having energy and that requires having, as you say. \n\nI've got a lot of organization that gets formed out of the creativity because it becomes doable by other people, like having coaches do the workshops. And you know, I meet clients now who have been in coach for 25 years and it's the first time I've ever met them, but they've been working with the other coaches for 25 years and that's kind of proof that you're doing something useful. You know, it sort of indicates to me that this stuff is real. Somebody who would maybe be attracted to coach because of a book they read, or they saw a podcast or something, but they do it through another coach. \n\nThey're never actually in my workshops, they're in somebody else's workshops. And when I meet them, I'm always very pleased that there's enough substance and enough impact to the stuff that's being created that they don't have to be with me. \n\nDan: I think that's right, that you've got enough like yeah, I mean you, a strategy circle and an impact filter are going to work, no matter who explains them. Right, when they explain them and they go through the process, it's like it doesn't require any. You know, there's not any creativity required in the telling of that, it's really self, it's built into the tool and any anybody can share that. Yeah, that's the. But you know you've got kind of that framework. I look at that as the. You know, in my world, that framework of the eight profit activators, the breaks and blueprint, is a is one thing. I look at that as one thing. Right, the but the application of it. You know there's this different, I guess, in teaching the application of it, helping people apply it to their own businesses. \n\nDean: How many would you, how many would you say, have taken at least the it's first three days right, it's a three-day introduction. \n\nDan: Yeah, the three-day. \n\nDean: Three-day. How many, would you say, have taken it now. So I would say that probably. \n\nDan: well, let's say 10 times, maybe 600, I'd say Do people do it again? I'd say Do people do it? \n\nDean: again yeah. \n\nDan: I've had people who've come many times Because it's one of those things where you never step in the same river twice or you never play the same golf course twice. It's the same round of golf even if you play the same course. The eight profit activators are the thing and it's just literally layering on. There's always constant improvement and new nuances within each of the eight profit actors. So if people are working on their before unit or their during unit or their after unit, there's all these layers of you know building on top of it, and once they've had an experience of it, you know now that you've actually applied something and something's going that unlocks, kind of the next thing you know, you get to see, okay, now, what could we do? Kind of thing. You know, and it's really, it's very interesting. \n\nLike my, one of the things that I've been really leaning into is one of the biggest frustrations I have. I'll explain something that's a real thing going on here. Real thing going on here is that in the before unit, which is the first four profit activators, and they're all about identifying your ideal client, compelling them to raise their hand, to start a conversation, educating and motivating them so that they know that working with you or doing whatever it is that you do, would be the right thing. And then making a compelling offer that makes it easy for people to get started and we get people to think about that before unit as a separate entity from their during unit, which is the unit of the business that does the thing that you do. So let's say the strategic coach workshop process, like once somebody is in strategic coach, that would be the during unit of it, right? \n\nSo the before to act as a supplier to the during, and what they're supplying is new registrations for strategic coach workshops, new workshop enrollees, and the way that we try and do it is set up like a prospect vending machine as opposed to a slot machine. Most people do slot machine marketing where they put money in and they pull the lever and come on seven hoping that something will happen. And a vending machine is very predictable. Right, you're doing a vending machine. You have to select, even though there might be a dozen things in a vending machine. You have to select even though there might be, you know, a dozen things in the vending machine. You have to select what's in a1 and press a1 and it tells you what the price is and you put that money in. \n\nBut you push the button and out comes your whatever it is that you asked for and so we try and line that up for people and the most predictable, the way to really do that as a vending machine is to think about the investment in the before unit as a capital investment versus an expense-based approach. Where most people are running expense-based approach, they want to run the ads, get somebody to come online and then buy right away, before the credit card is due at the end of the month to pay for the ads. Right, that's what everybody's looking for. But I look at it that if you take a capital investment approach of generating your ideal prospects and taking a bundle of 100 of those and then not measuring your ROI until 100 weeks from now, your ROI until a hundred weeks from now is the what's the ROI on marching that bundle of 100 leads that you made a capital investment of 500, a thousand $2,000 in. What's the ROI over 100 weeks versus the next hundred hours? \n\nYou know which is what most people are focused on, and so I, where I run into challenges with people, is getting through what I call the Van Allen belt, where it's you load up your a hundred, or you know however many you load up a hundred leads that you've generated, however many you load up a hundred leads that you've generated and then the Van Allen belt is getting them through that period where you haven't done a transaction yet and it feels like you're spending money and you're, you know, keep loading passengers on the rocket kind of thing, and but nobody has, nobody has bought yet, and that getting people to stick with that through the Van Allen belt and then get the ROI is a big obstacle and I see it happen again and again. It's one of those things, literally people stopping three feet from gold. \n\nDean: I really grasp what you're saying. I was just thinking how do you conceptualize that for the people who are actually involved in the activity? \n\nDan: Well, that's the way I'm describing it now. \n\nDean: I mean, if we put together marketing and strategic coach with sales and Strategic Coach, I would say we have it's a quarter of the country, a quarter of the company you know, easily 30, easily 30, 30 individuals and and and what they create is really educated, enthusiastic, first workshop participants. Basically that's what they create and it's interesting. This year we'll do 1,000. Like, we'll have 1,000. \n\nDan: New registrations. \n\nDean: You mean, yeah, new registrations, and then the price went up this year, so there's more. I mean, we were about 980 last year and we'll be slightly over a thousand. And one thing I've noticed is there's a fall off in sales in presidential years. Oh, yeah. When the US is having a presidential election and the toughest period is about the three months before the election. \n\nDan: The reason is that yeah, right the election. \n\nDean: The reason is that, yeah, right now. The reason is it makes a difference. It's not necessarily who wins the election, but you kind of know how to adjust your you know, you kind of adjust your journey once you know, who's going to be the president. You know, and this year there's very definitely a difference. You know, I would say it's the greatest philosophical difference. I've probably seen in my entire lifetime. \n\nDan: I have a perfect example. I have a client who is an immigration attorney and they're, you know, right now talk about. There couldn't be a greater polarity of possibility in. November that they're. You know they're right on the thing of ready to pivot that if one side gets in it's all about immigration and getting legal. If the other side gets in it's all about staying here, deportation defense. You know it's a different. It's amazing how that kind of thing can have a polar difference. \n\nDean: Yeah, and I just noticed that. I mean, I've been through, we're in our 35th years, so there's been eight presidential elections over that, and I just noticed there's a holding back. That happens usually summer to the, unless it's pretty well clear that an incumbent president is going to get reelected. You know, and that's happened a number of times. \n\nAnyway but that. But the interesting thing about it is that I think it was Peter Drucker said there's only two things, there's only two areas of profit in a company. One of them is innovation and the other one is marketing. \n\nDan: Right. \n\nDean: Everything else is an expense. Yes, but I don't think that's true. I think everything should be looked at as a capital investment, right, like I? \n\nDan: look at one of the things that we help people look at. \n\nI don't know that I've ever shared this with you, but I think it would be a very interesting metric for you to have just an awareness of, for, even for strategic coach, that one of the greatest comforts for people is knowing what their I call it their revenue per unconverted prospect. A rev pup we refer to it as, and that's a number that, if you take of all of the new people that came into strategic coach in the last 12 months, you're saying that's going to be a thousand for this year and the amount of revenue that generates divided by the number of unconverted prospects that you've identified through your market. So imagine that there are. Everybody kind of comes through a process of somehow getting in your world. They've opted in for something or they've asked for something or signed up to come to a workshop or the Zoom workshop or an intro, or they were referred, all of that thing. I'm sure there's a pool of people who you have communication with that have not yet decided to join the program. \n\nBut all of the people that did join the program came from that group and most people don't have a sense of the gestation period of people being in your world, right, because sometimes people come into your world, they have one conversation, they learn all about it and say I'm in. That's a great outcome, but the majority of people will have a exploration period, you know, where they're kind of learning about and observing and getting immersed in the environment. And so that number you know, let's say that the a thousand people and let's say would you say that a blended average of fees would be 15,000. Would that be there between signature yeah and yeah I mean new people coming can only join signature, yeah. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, so what was how much is the signature program? Now it's, I think it's 15. Ok, so 15,000. So you know, 15 million dollars in new revenue from the before you, which would be. \n\nDean: Well, it's more than that, because the uh, that's 15,000. No, it would be. Yeah, it would be, let's just say 15,000. Yeah, cause new people coming in have to start at signature level, right, so yeah, I mean, it's more than that for us, because 80% of that is in the U? S and everything gets translated back, so so just for around numbers. Yeah, but let's say 17. \n\nDan: So 17,000, that's $17 million on 1,000 new people. And so we take that 17 million and divide it by the number of prospects in your email database that you're emailing your newsletter to, emailing your things to. So let's say that's 100,000 people. \n\nDean: It wouldn't be that high 50,000? 50,000, yeah. \n\nDan: So you take that 17 million and divide it by 50,000. Yeah, take that 17 million and divide it by 50,000. And whatever that number is, you're rev-pup. And so let me just do the math real quick on that. \n\nSo, 17 million divided by 40,000, that's $340 per prospect per year is where you get a little more granular. And looking at this is looking back and seeing what was the ad date of them. When did they first come in? Because some of them may have been in for 30 days and some of them may have been in for 30 months or you know whatever, or three years or more. \n\nAnd that gives you a good sense of what your annual. So you look at that and, on terms of capital investment, if you can add people into, you know if you make a capital investment that generates new leads for let's even say $34, you've got an immediate 10, you know return on that. Very interesting when you start looking at it like that. You know. \n\nDean: Yeah, I mean the, the, and first of all it's it's an accurate number because all the money's up front with us, so you know that we have that money before they do their first workshop, do their first workshop and the interesting thing about it is the difference that the three books have made. \n\nDan: You know, the big books the Hay House books and you know, I was very interested in. \n\nDean: Ben Hardy's offer. You know that he would write the books because I just don't have the stamina to spend. It's basically at minimum it's a 12 month process with the publisher. I mean Hay House moves a bit more quickly than other publishers do. I mean you can start there. They're looking basically like 12 months. They'd like to turn a book around in 12 months and the books have done wonders for us in creating qualified leads. It's not the case that people read a book and they sign up for the program, it's that they make a phone call and the other thing is people may not have read the book and read the books, because usually they read all three and they come through a referral and they phone and then we send them the books and they read the books. \n\nOk, so the books are useful either way. And one of the things that I wasn't sure of it because we never had this capability before. But you know, I would say, since the three books have come up one way or another, you know it's a large number of people who signed up for the program because of the books. In other words, that it was, that it was sort of, um, it was the biggest sense of proof that this was the right thing for them. \n\nDan: Yeah, I mean the book itself. In that way, when you're putting out like a book, that's being, you have the reach of amazon and other bookstores and people kind of. There's an interesting environment for people to discover a book organically right and people talk about it and all of that stuff. So you're not really. It's not that you're having to push the book out to people. There's a they're kind of drawn to it, right, and amazon has a great engine of you know if you like that. \n\nDean: You probably like this yeah, they're a great capability, yeah yeah, anyway like there was a new workshop, not this past week but the week before, and they had about 35, there were about 35 new people and I just laid the word out for them that if anybody wanted to come in and talk to me at lunchtime they could. Okay, and immediately the table was filled, you know the table was filled as soon as lunch break. \n\nAnd the thing that I was struck this was their very first workshop. How much they knew about the program. I was very struck by this. And they were asking me questions about the concepts and the tools that in many cases they won't get to for three years. They were asking me because they were mentioned in the three books, the tools mentioned in three books, and so that's been a big. So that's been a big, that's been a big gem, very exciting, right. \n\nDan: Like I mean, it's kind of I love to hear when things like that happen, you know. But that a book is a very is a really great profit activator three tool educate and motivate. And that's really it that you're getting mind minutes of attention. And that's the crown jewel if you can get somebody's mind and attention focused on taking in a new thought that resonates with them, that they say, oh, that makes, that makes sense. That's the thing. So then when you make an offer to join the program, it makes all the sense in the world, right. \n\nDean: Yeah, we're just starting consultation with Hay House right now on the book that we wrote with Jeff Madoff Casting, not Hiring. Yeah, we think that may be the number four. The number four book. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, we think that may be the number four. The number four book. \n\nDan: Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, I think that's great. I mean, that's very exciting. I haven't seen Jeff in a while. \n\nDean: Well, he's been busy with his play. He came back yesterday from London because he's been auditioning this whole week and they're going to go for an early 2025 start of his play in London. Oh, very nice. \n\nDan: Wow In the West End. \n\nDean: In the West. End, is equal to Broadway. \n\nDan: Right From a theater standpoint. \n\nDean: I said it's taking off. Oh yeah. Well, you knowago was a big deal chicago's. You know. They had a 10-week run in chicago and they got great reviews. It's just that chicago is a bit in a funk as a city that there's so much negative things happening and people don't want to be downtown after dark right that puts a crimp into theater. \n\nYeah, yeah so we'll see next week, because the democrats are having their convention and, uh, the pro-palestinian people have said they're going to tear the city apart if they have to oh my goodness, oh my goodness, yeah, wow, they need good jobs. They need good jobs yeah. \n\nDan: Well, it's less than a quarter and it'll be over. I can't believe. It's almost. You know we're more than halfway through August right now. It's almost here. \n\nDean: It'll be here, and then the next campaign starts. \n\nDan: Yeah, that's exactly the impeachment campaign That'll start whenever, whoever. No, it's not the impeachment. \n\nDean: But even the presidential cycle is never about. \n\nDan: Oh, yeah, yeah. \n\nDean: Like I mean, the moment they the one ends, they start the next one, you know anyway. But yeah, but yeah. I think I think the what happened to the Democrats I think they're not going to have the ground troops to support this because they were there was so much uncertainty with Biden that I think and I mean she's only attractive right now because she's not doing press conferences and she hasn't had, she hasn't had a debate. I don't think she she'll stand up to full public. \n\nYou know, full public right, I'm sure I don't think I don't think she has the experience and I don't think she's the type of person who stands up well to that sort of thing. So anyway, that's my guess. That's my guess, and if I'm ron, I'll still have a really good entrepreneurial day the next day. Even the day of that's right and I go to bed at 8 o'clock, so it doesn't matter. \n\nDan: Oh, my goodness, Is that true now 8 o'clock yeah? \n\nDean: No by 9. \n\nDan: No. \n\nDean: Certainly I'm in bed by 9. I'm certainly in bed by 9. Wow, and I get up early, I'm a morning person. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, well, it's working, it's all working. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, it's very good. I got a lot out of your description of that and there's a lot of protein in what you're talking about there. Right, that's the thing. Not carbs, no carbs. All meat, all protein. Yeah, that's the thing. Not carbs, no carbs, all meat All protein, keto marketing. \n\nDan: That's exactly right. So you are on your way up to the cottage for the last hurrah for the season. Yeah. \n\nDean: Wednesday, so it'll probably be two weeks, very nice. \n\nDan: And then I'll see you. I'll be back pretty soon, in September, less than a month. We'll lock in Table 10. Maybe we can do Cafe Balloud as a new place, as a new Our new French establishment for lunch. It'll be awesome, okay, all right, dan, I'll talk to you soon. \n\nDean: You too, okay, bye. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, We glean valuable insights into writing methods by contrasting Stephen King\u0026#39;s solo approach with James Patterson\u0026#39;s collaborations. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe explored the benefits of a second-person narrative and tailoring content for specific readers. We talked about an entrepreneur who built a candy empire by recognizing an opportunity and exemplifying the power of vision, focus, and innovative thinking. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHis story highlighted how early experiences shape goals and the importance of collaboration. Additionally, this discussion examined how US elections impact businesses and underscored innovation and marketing\u0026#39;s crucial roles. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eLastly, we covered strategic concepts like revenue per unconverted prospect and discussed books\u0026#39; significance in education.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul style=\"list-style-type: circle;\"\u003e\n\u003c/center\u003e\n\n  \u003cli\u003eI explore the contrasting writing styles of Stephen King and James Patterson, focusing on King's solo approach and Patterson's collaborative method.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eI discuss the benefits of writing in the second person to create a more engaging and conversational tone for specific audiences, such as experienced entrepreneurs.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eI share the story of a young entrepreneur who successfully identified a market gap and built a low-sugar candy company, emphasizing the importance of single-minded focus and methodical growth.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eI delve into the significance of visionary goals and collaborative efforts in driving entrepreneurial success, using personal anecdotes and experiences as examples.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eI analyze the impact of US presidential elections on business sales, highlighting how different election outcomes can shape various business landscapes.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eI introduce the concept of revenue per unconverted prospect (rev pup) and its role in strategic business planning, particularly in understanding client gestation periods.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eI examine the financial dynamics of a signature program, discussing how a $15,000 fee per participant can generate significant revenue and emphasizing the importance of capital investment in lead generation.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eI highlight the role of books in attracting and educating prospects, particularly those published with Hay House, and their efficacy in creating qualified leads and fostering deeper understanding among participants.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eI discuss the benefits of a high-protein, low-carb keto diet and share personal plans, including a trip to the cottage and trying a new French establishment, Cafe Balloud.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eI reflect on the importance of focusing on one thing for entrepreneurial success, using the example of a young entrepreneur who built a low-sugar candy empire and the notion of always striving to go further in one's pursuits.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Sullivan, mr Jackson there he is Well. Yeah, I had a great week. Yeah, I\u0026#39;m very busy. We started a new book. The previous one went to the printer on Tuesday and we started the next book on Thursday, so this is the fastest that we\u0026#39;ve gotten to a new one. Oh, I like that Right into the next. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah don\u0026#39;t know what stephen king, the author that\u0026#39;s his habit of he writes for. You know he writes every day a certain amount of time and as soon as he finishes one of the end on one if it\u0026#39;s halfway through a session he gets a new sheet of paper and starts the next one. He doesn\u0026#39;t like sit on his laurels, he just gets right into the next one. It\u0026#39;s very interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I\u0026#39;m wondering because I don\u0026#39;t really know much about him. Is he right strictly alone? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e and then, yes, you know, yeah, like, so it\u0026#39;s a very interesting thing that he\u0026#39;s like a rugged individualist, whereas you know, james patterson is definitely a who, not how, collaborator, you know, and prolific at it. He\u0026#39;s got a really, really interesting process in that he does extensive outlines for his books and then he collaborates with someone to fill it in, to do the actual right, and then he gets with them and gives notes and so the book is a hundred percent. He\u0026#39;s the author. I guess you can say, and then, but gives the, but gives the co-author the latitude to take it, exercise their creativity or whatever and how it goes. But he\u0026#39;s got the basic. You know, he\u0026#39;s created the outline and the story art Pretty extensive outlining process he has I took a I don\u0026#39;t know whether you\u0026#39;ve ever seen and the story arc Pretty extensive outlining process he has I took a I don\u0026#39;t know whether you\u0026#39;ve ever seen. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere\u0026#39;s a website called Master Class and they have, like the best in fields, doing a master class on their thing, and so James Patterson was one of the first. He did a thing on writing and yeah, it\u0026#39;s very, it\u0026#39;s very well done. Do you think they actually reveal what they actually do? Yeah, I think so. I mean it\u0026#39;s from seeing the things. Yeah, he actually shows actual outlines, outlines, and you know, I imagine there\u0026#39;s nothing you know. Sharing the process is very empowering for other authors, just like I think you don\u0026#39;t keep one and has observed you, observed you doing it. I\u0026#39;ve got one right in my backpack right here, right now. I\u0026#39;ve got the everything is created backward book right here and I just think this format, it\u0026#39;s so you know, it\u0026#39;s, you\u0026#39;re so consistent in the output of it, it\u0026#39;s amazing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I just wonder. There was a story of a martial arts master in. Asia, china, and he was known throughout the land as the greatest martial arts master. And then he had a student who was just prodigious he was a prodigy. And so he had a student who was just prodigious he was a prodigy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd so he taught him. And then the student went off and made a name for himself and then came back one day and he says as far as I can see, there\u0026#39;s just you and me, he said to the master, and he said so why don\u0026#39;t we settle it right now to see who\u0026#39;s actually the master? Okay, and so they did it and the student had his master at a great disadvantage. And then the master pulled out a trick he had never seen before and defeated the student. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd the student said I thought you taught me everything he says, except for one thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Great, I love that, except for one thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I love it, and I\u0026#39;m not saying that I have one thing, but I\u0026#39;m saying that there\u0026#39;s something that happens in a creative process that involves a lot of other people. So I have Shannon Well, I do my outlines to be my version of James Patterson our fast filters, and so I do the fast filter, which is basically the structure of each section of the book the introduction, there\u0026#39;s eight chapters and there\u0026#39;s a conclusion, so 10 sections and each of them has a fast filter with a best and worst. And I do everything in the second person, personal, so I\u0026#39;m always talking to you you know, whoever the reader is, I\u0026#39;m always talking to. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ethe reader allows me to do is to bypass, research being a too quick start. I\u0026#39;m not heavy on the research side, right, and what you\u0026#39;re depending upon is the research that the reader has already done in his or her life. That this makes sense, and that\u0026#39;s you know, that\u0026#39;s the second. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s. That\u0026#39;s a. That\u0026#39;s a real secret. You know that. Like it, it\u0026#39;s really. It\u0026#39;s the best to read as well, because it feels like a conversation, feels like you\u0026#39;re just talking to me and explaining something that is that you wouldn\u0026#39;t have, as if you were just writing a letter to me about it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you do that when you\u0026#39;re talking. I mean you know, I mean, I think you you use the second yeah everything I do it\u0026#39;s the same. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I do the same every email that I write. All of that is that because that\u0026#39;s the I think that\u0026#39;s the most engaging right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Like people, it\u0026#39;s easy to get engaged with that when it feels like it\u0026#39;s just you and me, and so I\u0026#39;m just trying to think here of the, because I\u0026#39;m only talking to a certain kind of person, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m not writing for the world. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m only talking to one, someone who\u0026#39;s an entrepreneur with experience and with success, and so I\u0026#39;m simply reflecting in my talk what I already know about this person\u0026#39;s life. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that goes a long way, that one of the great, like you know, models of that is thinking about one person as if you\u0026#39;re writing a letter to one person, or even a small workshop filled with whoever you\u0026#39;re, you know, whoever filled with the right people and only speaking to those Something to that you know where you\u0026#39;re not. You don\u0026#39;t try and I think people often in marketing writing especially, they are trying to accommodate or change so that, just in case these people aren\u0026#39;t this or that, they don\u0026#39;t know about this. And I\u0026#39;m like you know what you gotta like avoid. You gotta let go of the bottom 20% and write as if you\u0026#39;re only writing for the top 20%. You\u0026#39;re writing to the people who want to do what it is that you\u0026#39;re doing, not, you know, leaning on your back foot kind of thing. You\u0026#39;re leaning into helping the people, the tippy top group. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat really want what you have, and don\u0026#39;t hold back on that, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s really interesting. I made it. I think I mentioned this on a previous podcast, but I made a decision as I was approaching you know my current age. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI said you know I\u0026#39;ve been Well, that\u0026#39;s something everybody can do, you know approaching your current age. Anyway, I just made a decision I wasn\u0026#39;t going to do any speeches anymore to big rooms. The only public presentations I would do would be to entrepreneurial audiences, but I would only do it in the form of a thinking tool. I wouldn\u0026#39;t try to tell them how the world is or where I see the world going. I simply say I have a thinking tool for you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd what it relates to is you know something that happens to entrepreneurs and I\u0026#39;m going to ask you a bunch of questions about it and then I\u0026#39;m going to have you think through your answers and everything like that, and then I\u0026#39;ll have you talk to each other, and then we\u0026#39;ll come back and we\u0026#39;ll just share insights. And that relieved me. I didn\u0026#39;t like public speaking and the reason was that I knew I was only talking to about a small percentage of the room. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I didn\u0026#39;t know who they were. You don\u0026#39;t know which ones, right? Yeah, I didn\u0026#39;t know who in the audience, and then you\u0026#39;re trying to make it appeal. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Just even subconsciously, you\u0026#39;re trying to make it appealing to everybody. Yeah, yeah, just uses a lot of energy and this is, you know what, this way, doing these, I would argue, you know, doing these 90-day books, quarterly books that you\u0026#39;re doing is way more impactful than doing speeches to big crowds. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e This is really the big thing and I\u0026#39;ve sort of refined it about my decision about not giving talks to large groups. Talks to large groups when I\u0026#39;m in the office either the Toronto office or the Chicago office the coach will frequently say can you come in and talk to the group? And I\u0026#39;m always a bit puzzled. I don\u0026#39;t know what to talk to them about. What I\u0026#39;ve done recently is that I have a big table in the cafes Toronto or Chicago and I say I\u0026#39;m going to have lunch and anybody who wants to come in and talk to me, you can come in and have lunch with me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo usually about eight people, and that works out really great because the only people who show up are the people who actually want to talk to me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, exactly that\u0026#39;s great. Great, I like that. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s my favorite. My preferred style, too, is just that is the here I am. Ask me anything, you know, that\u0026#39;s the way I can show up the best for things you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s yeah, that\u0026#39;s always been. Have you been that way all the time, or is it developed? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it\u0026#39;s always been my preference. I have the capability to do a prepared presentation. It\u0026#39;s not my preference, but I just like being able to customize the message to whatever somebody wants to hear. You know, so a lot of time I don\u0026#39;t do really I don\u0026#39;t do prepared like keynote talks anymore. I much prefer like fireside chats kind of thing, where we\u0026#39;ll do an interview and I can take it where. What I\u0026#39;d much rather do Q\u0026amp;A, because it can be directed in whatever they\u0026#39;re specifically interested in and I can think quickly and articulate an answer. So they\u0026#39;re not going to stump me. I know that much. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo I prefer that and I think it feels to people there\u0026#39;s a more, there\u0026#39;s a different energy to it\u0026#39;s an improv theater element to it right where it\u0026#39;s flying without a net and you know you, there\u0026#39;s always that danger that somebody is going to stump you or ruffle you or whatever, but they\u0026#39;re not so that that confidence to be able to do it. And I\u0026#39;ve done enough thinking about my core ideas that I can adapt them with, you know, simplifying stories or examples that work, Of course, I think one of the things that\u0026#39;s true about both of us. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e we\u0026#39;ve been out there long enough that people who really want to get in touch with us know how to do it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e All right, exactly, yeah. Yeah, I was just thinking about that. I was thinking that on the way over, I\u0026#39;m in Orlando right now, I\u0026#39;m in the Tesla mobile podcast recording studio parked under an h80 tree today, and but I was on the drive over. I was thinking about that different. Just doing some assessment things on the different types of like if you\u0026#39;re doing a wealth matrix or whatever, in terms of one of the things we do with our listing agent lifestyle things is this balance between daily joy, abundant time and financial peace, and I was thinking about the different kinds of advantages that people can have. I have complete time freedom. Basically, I have very little demands on my time in a recurring way, so I have self-direction on what you know you would call freedom of time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know I would call that freedom of time. Exactly. I think the term that you\u0026#39;re looking for, dean, is freedom of time, that\u0026#39;s so funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But the other thing is along with that time I was joking with somebody the other day. You know I\u0026#39;m in the middle of a project for myself here but I was saying to them that just jokingly, you know I\u0026#39;ve got access to Dean Jackson for free. And I look at that as one of my greatest assets access to me for free? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Anytime, anytime, that\u0026#39;s exactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e If he\u0026#39;s in a good mood. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e If I can only wrangle him, you know, wrestle him down. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e If I can get his attention, if I can get his attention. Attention I can only get him to apply himself. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That would be the thing right yeah we\u0026#39;d be on to something. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut I think that the other thing is you know, you know, as far as vcr, you know, assets go, this, I\u0026#39;ve got so much, so many vision capabilities. You know like I, I know a lot of things that can be applied to a lot of things, and it\u0026#39;s really the. You know the job. The struggle, let\u0026#39;s say, is to direct that to one thing. You know, it\u0026#39;s like the, it\u0026#39;s like you. I remember we talked about offer briar one time that he you know, I was just. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I was just as you said, that I was just thinking of him you know, exactly at that moment that you said his name. I was thinking about him, isn\u0026#39;t that? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e funny that you, you know, I remember you telling the story of being with him and I\u0026#39;ve had the same conversations with him that his model, his technology, just for people listening. He\u0026#39;s a brilliant guy. He\u0026#39;s able to simplify learning and teaching models so he can really teach somebody how to learn anything and become a master at it in a very compressed amount of time and become a master at it in a very compressed amount of time, and his, you know, assertion is that he could do this for anything. It can be any skill that somebody wants to learn, and I think you were one of my favorite stories. You were at a dinner with him. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I believe you were in Israel, right, tel Aviv, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And said well, I\u0026#39;ll let you tell the way you described it no, I just. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e it was a, you know, a very short comment. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I said. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I said, you know, I think you really want to be known for this, for being able to teach anybody anything. But the problem is you can\u0026#39;t focus on one thing. And you only become really well known if you can\u0026#39;t focus on one thing, and you only become really well known if you can do one thing, really great. And you know, and he just laughed and he smiled, and you know he, he nodded and agreed, that was true and you know, and that\u0026#39;s where I think it\u0026#39;s very important to have guidance from outside of. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know what\u0026#39;s the best thing for you to apply your talents to, your one talent, your greatest talent, what\u0026#39;s? The best thing to do for that. And you know and what would you think with VCR? What would be the? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that\u0026#39;s where I\u0026#39;d go. You know, is that this is? You know, even the marketing, you know is certainly the one. It\u0026#39;s one thing, but there\u0026#39;s so many applications of that you know, that\u0026#39;s where I struggle, but what? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e would be? I guess I\u0026#39;m asking the question again what would be the best? I mean the, you know. I mean even in the strategic coach. I\u0026#39;m for entrepreneurs, you know the strategic coach is for entrepreneurs talented, successful, ambitious entrepreneurs. I say yeah, but not all of them. Not all of them. You can check off those three boxes. I\u0026#39;m for the ones who are really driven to collaborate with other entrepreneurs to create a new thing, that hasn\u0026#39;t existed before. So, you know, and I think this gets more refined, Wouldn\u0026#39;t you find? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eof who you would spend your time with 10 years ago that you wouldn\u0026#39;t spend time with them today? Yeah, no, I think you\u0026#39;re absolutely right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think there\u0026#39;s, yeah, there is that. Yeah, no, I think you\u0026#39;re absolutely right. I think there\u0026#39;s, yeah, there is that. I was it\u0026#39;s so. I was, just as a sidebar, was listening to a podcast the how I built this podcast with Guy Raz and the the thing that one of the most recent guests was this young, the young lady. She\u0026#39;s 26 or seven now. When she was 21, she started a company to make low sugar gummy bears and evolved that product line to other low sugar gelatinous treats and the company is called Smart Sweets and four years after building it, she sold 80% of it for $360 million, you know, as a 25 year old or 26 year old, in a four year period. And it\u0026#39;s just, I mean, it\u0026#39;s amazing, right, that one thing focus of doing that it unfortunately feels like it\u0026#39;s the way is one thing. If your goal is building wealth, it feels like, I guess. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Was that her intention to do that, or was that a stroke of I? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e think she wanted to. You know she wanted to create. She saw a gap in the market for low sugar candy right, that people like candy, but they\u0026#39;re, you know it\u0026#39;s so high in sugar and corn syrup and all the bad things, right. So she was looking for healthy alternatives and and there were really none. And so she figured, boy, if I could get, if I could figure this out, there\u0026#39;d be a, I think, a big market for it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And she was right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean she was definitely right and yeah, but went through. You know that whole process and you know, immediately kind of hit a third stride with it. But you look at, you know, the simplest businesses, you know, like that, imagine at some point beyond the idea and the execution of launching it that it\u0026#39;s a different. It\u0026#39;s a different game than the, it\u0026#39;s a different game than the idea and the, the blueprints kind of thing, you know. And there\u0026#39;s something that\u0026#39;s I\u0026#39;m sort of resistant to or I find it hard to. You know, focus on just taking one thing all the way, kind of thing you know, that\u0026#39;s been like. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI look at. You know you look at, I see it among my. It\u0026#39;s one of my most successful clients. You know that they\u0026#39;re focused on one thing we crack the code on the marketing and create a multiplier for it that drives for the next three or four years and then they sell. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know it\u0026#39;s a big yeah but single-minded focus for that period of time it\u0026#39;s an interesting thing because that\u0026#39;s a particular payoff for doing one thing. In other words, you know 300 million or whatever at 26, but you can also have a method that you constantly want to be growing and you know, the success is sort of a byproduct of the method. I would say that I have sort of a one thing, but it isn\u0026#39;t a payoff or an event, it\u0026#39;s actually it\u0026#39;s a process you know, and but it\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI think part of it is just always be creating new things and then, to give evidence that they\u0026#39;re actually new things, have it in the form that other people can use them, like thinking this is one you know or workshops you know, or quarterly books and and everything else. But but I I like yeah that\u0026#39;s true. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, like I look at that, that you\u0026#39;re in a lot of ways, you know, I look at this as your Jiro dreams of sushi kind of you know experience of pursuing mastery of collaborative thinking tools for ambitious entrepreneurs at the highest level. You know, with a trillion dollar free zone, you know economy as the, you know, at 100 years old, that\u0026#39;s a very, you know, that\u0026#39;s a very ambitious north star right that that\u0026#39;s the direction that everything is heading and it gives you enough, there\u0026#39;s enough, uh, variety in the constant creation of new things. And I think there\u0026#39;s something elegant about this quarterly book cadence supported by quarterly workshops and that model with new tools and a organizational support for, in the wake of what you\u0026#39;re creating, that you\u0026#39;re always on the lead. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou\u0026#39;re always on the lead ship in the armada, car-charging the course and heading to the $15 trillion future right and bringing on the free zone people on the lead ship and everything behind an armada of other coaches and the signature program, the 10 times program, all kind of headed in that same direction. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I would say that it really stems from an experience I had. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI think it was about 10 years old and I\u0026#39;ve mentioned this that I was out walking in the fields of the farm that I grew up on. It was in February, you know, very clear, bright day, cold but very bright and sunny. I think it was still 54. The airliners were still mostly propeller. I think this was a DC-6. It struck me that it had four engines. It was either flying from Cleveland to Chicago or flying from New York to. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe were in the flight path of those type of destinations and I was watching and all of a sudden I just got this feeling. It was a question that came to me and it\u0026#39;s saying I wonder how far I can go, and that\u0026#39;s kind of framed it for the last 70 years. I wonder how far I can go, and that\u0026#39;s kind of framed it for the last 70 years. I wonder how far I can go. I\u0026#39;ve done this Now I wonder, and whenever I hit one level of measurable achievement, measurable success, then the question always comes to me Now I wonder how far I can go. So I think that\u0026#39;s my one thing, I think that\u0026#39;s my. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOne thing is just that it\u0026#39;s a question, it\u0026#39;s not an answer, it\u0026#39;s actually a question now I wonder how far I can go and that requires, you know, being in good health, being, you know, having energy and that requires having, as you say. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI\u0026#39;ve got a lot of organization that gets formed out of the creativity because it becomes doable by other people, like having coaches do the workshops. And you know, I meet clients now who have been in coach for 25 years and it\u0026#39;s the first time I\u0026#39;ve ever met them, but they\u0026#39;ve been working with the other coaches for 25 years and that\u0026#39;s kind of proof that you\u0026#39;re doing something useful. You know, it sort of indicates to me that this stuff is real. Somebody who would maybe be attracted to coach because of a book they read, or they saw a podcast or something, but they do it through another coach. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey\u0026#39;re never actually in my workshops, they\u0026#39;re in somebody else\u0026#39;s workshops. And when I meet them, I\u0026#39;m always very pleased that there\u0026#39;s enough substance and enough impact to the stuff that\u0026#39;s being created that they don\u0026#39;t have to be with me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that\u0026#39;s right, that you\u0026#39;ve got enough like yeah, I mean you, a strategy circle and an impact filter are going to work, no matter who explains them. Right, when they explain them and they go through the process, it\u0026#39;s like it doesn\u0026#39;t require any. You know, there\u0026#39;s not any creativity required in the telling of that, it\u0026#39;s really self, it\u0026#39;s built into the tool and any anybody can share that. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s the. But you know you\u0026#39;ve got kind of that framework. I look at that as the. You know, in my world, that framework of the eight profit activators, the breaks and blueprint, is a is one thing. I look at that as one thing. Right, the but the application of it. You know there\u0026#39;s this different, I guess, in teaching the application of it, helping people apply it to their own businesses. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e How many would you, how many would you say, have taken at least the it\u0026#39;s first three days right, it\u0026#39;s a three-day introduction. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, the three-day. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Three-day. How many, would you say, have taken it now. So I would say that probably. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e well, let\u0026#39;s say 10 times, maybe 600, I\u0026#39;d say Do people do it again? I\u0026#39;d say Do people do it? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e again yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve had people who\u0026#39;ve come many times Because it\u0026#39;s one of those things where you never step in the same river twice or you never play the same golf course twice. It\u0026#39;s the same round of golf even if you play the same course. The eight profit activators are the thing and it\u0026#39;s just literally layering on. There\u0026#39;s always constant improvement and new nuances within each of the eight profit actors. So if people are working on their before unit or their during unit or their after unit, there\u0026#39;s all these layers of you know building on top of it, and once they\u0026#39;ve had an experience of it, you know now that you\u0026#39;ve actually applied something and something\u0026#39;s going that unlocks, kind of the next thing you know, you get to see, okay, now, what could we do? Kind of thing. You know, and it\u0026#39;s really, it\u0026#39;s very interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eLike my, one of the things that I\u0026#39;ve been really leaning into is one of the biggest frustrations I have. I\u0026#39;ll explain something that\u0026#39;s a real thing going on here. Real thing going on here is that in the before unit, which is the first four profit activators, and they\u0026#39;re all about identifying your ideal client, compelling them to raise their hand, to start a conversation, educating and motivating them so that they know that working with you or doing whatever it is that you do, would be the right thing. And then making a compelling offer that makes it easy for people to get started and we get people to think about that before unit as a separate entity from their during unit, which is the unit of the business that does the thing that you do. So let\u0026#39;s say the strategic coach workshop process, like once somebody is in strategic coach, that would be the during unit of it, right? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo the before to act as a supplier to the during, and what they\u0026#39;re supplying is new registrations for strategic coach workshops, new workshop enrollees, and the way that we try and do it is set up like a prospect vending machine as opposed to a slot machine. Most people do slot machine marketing where they put money in and they pull the lever and come on seven hoping that something will happen. And a vending machine is very predictable. Right, you\u0026#39;re doing a vending machine. You have to select, even though there might be a dozen things in a vending machine. You have to select even though there might be, you know, a dozen things in the vending machine. You have to select what\u0026#39;s in a1 and press a1 and it tells you what the price is and you put that money in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut you push the button and out comes your whatever it is that you asked for and so we try and line that up for people and the most predictable, the way to really do that as a vending machine is to think about the investment in the before unit as a capital investment versus an expense-based approach. Where most people are running expense-based approach, they want to run the ads, get somebody to come online and then buy right away, before the credit card is due at the end of the month to pay for the ads. Right, that\u0026#39;s what everybody\u0026#39;s looking for. But I look at it that if you take a capital investment approach of generating your ideal prospects and taking a bundle of 100 of those and then not measuring your ROI until 100 weeks from now, your ROI until a hundred weeks from now is the what\u0026#39;s the ROI on marching that bundle of 100 leads that you made a capital investment of 500, a thousand $2,000 in. What\u0026#39;s the ROI over 100 weeks versus the next hundred hours? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know which is what most people are focused on, and so I, where I run into challenges with people, is getting through what I call the Van Allen belt, where it\u0026#39;s you load up your a hundred, or you know however many you load up a hundred leads that you\u0026#39;ve generated, however many you load up a hundred leads that you\u0026#39;ve generated and then the Van Allen belt is getting them through that period where you haven\u0026#39;t done a transaction yet and it feels like you\u0026#39;re spending money and you\u0026#39;re, you know, keep loading passengers on the rocket kind of thing, and but nobody has, nobody has bought yet, and that getting people to stick with that through the Van Allen belt and then get the ROI is a big obstacle and I see it happen again and again. It\u0026#39;s one of those things, literally people stopping three feet from gold. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I really grasp what you\u0026#39;re saying. I was just thinking how do you conceptualize that for the people who are actually involved in the activity? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that\u0026#39;s the way I\u0026#39;m describing it now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, if we put together marketing and strategic coach with sales and Strategic Coach, I would say we have it\u0026#39;s a quarter of the country, a quarter of the company you know, easily 30, easily 30, 30 individuals and and and what they create is really educated, enthusiastic, first workshop participants. Basically that\u0026#39;s what they create and it\u0026#39;s interesting. This year we\u0026#39;ll do 1,000. Like, we\u0026#39;ll have 1,000. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e New registrations. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You mean, yeah, new registrations, and then the price went up this year, so there\u0026#39;s more. I mean, we were about 980 last year and we\u0026#39;ll be slightly over a thousand. And one thing I\u0026#39;ve noticed is there\u0026#39;s a fall off in sales in presidential years. Oh, yeah. When the US is having a presidential election and the toughest period is about the three months before the election. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The reason is that yeah, right the election. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e The reason is that, yeah, right now. The reason is it makes a difference. It\u0026#39;s not necessarily who wins the election, but you kind of know how to adjust your you know, you kind of adjust your journey once you know, who\u0026#39;s going to be the president. You know, and this year there\u0026#39;s very definitely a difference. You know, I would say it\u0026#39;s the greatest philosophical difference. I\u0026#39;ve probably seen in my entire lifetime. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I have a perfect example. I have a client who is an immigration attorney and they\u0026#39;re, you know, right now talk about. There couldn\u0026#39;t be a greater polarity of possibility in. November that they\u0026#39;re. You know they\u0026#39;re right on the thing of ready to pivot that if one side gets in it\u0026#39;s all about immigration and getting legal. If the other side gets in it\u0026#39;s all about staying here, deportation defense. You know it\u0026#39;s a different. It\u0026#39;s amazing how that kind of thing can have a polar difference. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and I just noticed that. I mean, I\u0026#39;ve been through, we\u0026#39;re in our 35th years, so there\u0026#39;s been eight presidential elections over that, and I just noticed there\u0026#39;s a holding back. That happens usually summer to the, unless it\u0026#39;s pretty well clear that an incumbent president is going to get reelected. You know, and that\u0026#39;s happened a number of times. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnyway but that. But the interesting thing about it is that I think it was Peter Drucker said there\u0026#39;s only two things, there\u0026#39;s only two areas of profit in a company. One of them is innovation and the other one is marketing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Everything else is an expense. Yes, but I don\u0026#39;t think that\u0026#39;s true. I think everything should be looked at as a capital investment, right, like I? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e look at one of the things that we help people look at. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI don\u0026#39;t know that I\u0026#39;ve ever shared this with you, but I think it would be a very interesting metric for you to have just an awareness of, for, even for strategic coach, that one of the greatest comforts for people is knowing what their I call it their revenue per unconverted prospect. A rev pup we refer to it as, and that\u0026#39;s a number that, if you take of all of the new people that came into strategic coach in the last 12 months, you\u0026#39;re saying that\u0026#39;s going to be a thousand for this year and the amount of revenue that generates divided by the number of unconverted prospects that you\u0026#39;ve identified through your market. So imagine that there are. Everybody kind of comes through a process of somehow getting in your world. They\u0026#39;ve opted in for something or they\u0026#39;ve asked for something or signed up to come to a workshop or the Zoom workshop or an intro, or they were referred, all of that thing. I\u0026#39;m sure there\u0026#39;s a pool of people who you have communication with that have not yet decided to join the program. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut all of the people that did join the program came from that group and most people don\u0026#39;t have a sense of the gestation period of people being in your world, right, because sometimes people come into your world, they have one conversation, they learn all about it and say I\u0026#39;m in. That\u0026#39;s a great outcome, but the majority of people will have a exploration period, you know, where they\u0026#39;re kind of learning about and observing and getting immersed in the environment. And so that number you know, let\u0026#39;s say that the a thousand people and let\u0026#39;s say would you say that a blended average of fees would be 15,000. Would that be there between signature yeah and yeah I mean new people coming can only join signature, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so what was how much is the signature program? Now it\u0026#39;s, I think it\u0026#39;s 15. Ok, so 15,000. So you know, 15 million dollars in new revenue from the before you, which would be. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it\u0026#39;s more than that, because the uh, that\u0026#39;s 15,000. No, it would be. Yeah, it would be, let\u0026#39;s just say 15,000. Yeah, cause new people coming in have to start at signature level, right, so yeah, I mean, it\u0026#39;s more than that for us, because 80% of that is in the U? S and everything gets translated back, so so just for around numbers. Yeah, but let\u0026#39;s say 17. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So 17,000, that\u0026#39;s $17 million on 1,000 new people. And so we take that 17 million and divide it by the number of prospects in your email database that you\u0026#39;re emailing your newsletter to, emailing your things to. So let\u0026#39;s say that\u0026#39;s 100,000 people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It wouldn\u0026#39;t be that high 50,000? 50,000, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So you take that 17 million and divide it by 50,000. Yeah, take that 17 million and divide it by 50,000. And whatever that number is, you\u0026#39;re rev-pup. And so let me just do the math real quick on that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo, 17 million divided by 40,000, that\u0026#39;s $340 per prospect per year is where you get a little more granular. And looking at this is looking back and seeing what was the ad date of them. When did they first come in? Because some of them may have been in for 30 days and some of them may have been in for 30 months or you know whatever, or three years or more. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd that gives you a good sense of what your annual. So you look at that and, on terms of capital investment, if you can add people into, you know if you make a capital investment that generates new leads for let\u0026#39;s even say $34, you\u0026#39;ve got an immediate 10, you know return on that. Very interesting when you start looking at it like that. You know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean the, the, and first of all it\u0026#39;s it\u0026#39;s an accurate number because all the money\u0026#39;s up front with us, so you know that we have that money before they do their first workshop, do their first workshop and the interesting thing about it is the difference that the three books have made. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, the big books the Hay House books and you know, I was very interested in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Ben Hardy\u0026#39;s offer. You know that he would write the books because I just don\u0026#39;t have the stamina to spend. It\u0026#39;s basically at minimum it\u0026#39;s a 12 month process with the publisher. I mean Hay House moves a bit more quickly than other publishers do. I mean you can start there. They\u0026#39;re looking basically like 12 months. They\u0026#39;d like to turn a book around in 12 months and the books have done wonders for us in creating qualified leads. It\u0026#39;s not the case that people read a book and they sign up for the program, it\u0026#39;s that they make a phone call and the other thing is people may not have read the book and read the books, because usually they read all three and they come through a referral and they phone and then we send them the books and they read the books. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOk, so the books are useful either way. And one of the things that I wasn\u0026#39;t sure of it because we never had this capability before. But you know, I would say, since the three books have come up one way or another, you know it\u0026#39;s a large number of people who signed up for the program because of the books. In other words, that it was, that it was sort of, um, it was the biggest sense of proof that this was the right thing for them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean the book itself. In that way, when you\u0026#39;re putting out like a book, that\u0026#39;s being, you have the reach of amazon and other bookstores and people kind of. There\u0026#39;s an interesting environment for people to discover a book organically right and people talk about it and all of that stuff. So you\u0026#39;re not really. It\u0026#39;s not that you\u0026#39;re having to push the book out to people. There\u0026#39;s a they\u0026#39;re kind of drawn to it, right, and amazon has a great engine of you know if you like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You probably like this yeah, they\u0026#39;re a great capability, yeah yeah, anyway like there was a new workshop, not this past week but the week before, and they had about 35, there were about 35 new people and I just laid the word out for them that if anybody wanted to come in and talk to me at lunchtime they could. Okay, and immediately the table was filled, you know the table was filled as soon as lunch break. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd the thing that I was struck this was their very first workshop. How much they knew about the program. I was very struck by this. And they were asking me questions about the concepts and the tools that in many cases they won\u0026#39;t get to for three years. They were asking me because they were mentioned in the three books, the tools mentioned in three books, and so that\u0026#39;s been a big. So that\u0026#39;s been a big, that\u0026#39;s been a big gem, very exciting, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Like I mean, it\u0026#39;s kind of I love to hear when things like that happen, you know. But that a book is a very is a really great profit activator three tool educate and motivate. And that\u0026#39;s really it that you\u0026#39;re getting mind minutes of attention. And that\u0026#39;s the crown jewel if you can get somebody\u0026#39;s mind and attention focused on taking in a new thought that resonates with them, that they say, oh, that makes, that makes sense. That\u0026#39;s the thing. So then when you make an offer to join the program, it makes all the sense in the world, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, we\u0026#39;re just starting consultation with Hay House right now on the book that we wrote with Jeff Madoff Casting, not Hiring. Yeah, we think that may be the number four. The number four book. Oh, that\u0026#39;s awesome. Yeah, we think that may be the number four. The number four book. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, that\u0026#39;s awesome. Yeah, I think that\u0026#39;s great. I mean, that\u0026#39;s very exciting. I haven\u0026#39;t seen Jeff in a while. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, he\u0026#39;s been busy with his play. He came back yesterday from London because he\u0026#39;s been auditioning this whole week and they\u0026#39;re going to go for an early 2025 start of his play in London. Oh, very nice. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow In the West End. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e In the West. End, is equal to Broadway. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right From a theater standpoint. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I said it\u0026#39;s taking off. Oh yeah. Well, you knowago was a big deal chicago\u0026#39;s. You know. They had a 10-week run in chicago and they got great reviews. It\u0026#39;s just that chicago is a bit in a funk as a city that there\u0026#39;s so much negative things happening and people don\u0026#39;t want to be downtown after dark right that puts a crimp into theater. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, yeah so we\u0026#39;ll see next week, because the democrats are having their convention and, uh, the pro-palestinian people have said they\u0026#39;re going to tear the city apart if they have to oh my goodness, oh my goodness, yeah, wow, they need good jobs. They need good jobs yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it\u0026#39;s less than a quarter and it\u0026#39;ll be over. I can\u0026#39;t believe. It\u0026#39;s almost. You know we\u0026#39;re more than halfway through August right now. It\u0026#39;s almost here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;ll be here, and then the next campaign starts. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s exactly the impeachment campaign That\u0026#39;ll start whenever, whoever. No, it\u0026#39;s not the impeachment. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But even the presidential cycle is never about. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Like I mean, the moment they the one ends, they start the next one, you know anyway. But yeah, but yeah. I think I think the what happened to the Democrats I think they\u0026#39;re not going to have the ground troops to support this because they were there was so much uncertainty with Biden that I think and I mean she\u0026#39;s only attractive right now because she\u0026#39;s not doing press conferences and she hasn\u0026#39;t had, she hasn\u0026#39;t had a debate. I don\u0026#39;t think she she\u0026#39;ll stand up to full public. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, full public right, I\u0026#39;m sure I don\u0026#39;t think I don\u0026#39;t think she has the experience and I don\u0026#39;t think she\u0026#39;s the type of person who stands up well to that sort of thing. So anyway, that\u0026#39;s my guess. That\u0026#39;s my guess, and if I\u0026#39;m ron, I\u0026#39;ll still have a really good entrepreneurial day the next day. Even the day of that\u0026#39;s right and I go to bed at 8 o\u0026#39;clock, so it doesn\u0026#39;t matter. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, my goodness, Is that true now 8 o\u0026#39;clock yeah? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No by 9. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Certainly I\u0026#39;m in bed by 9. I\u0026#39;m certainly in bed by 9. Wow, and I get up early, I\u0026#39;m a morning person. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, well, it\u0026#39;s working, it\u0026#39;s all working. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, it\u0026#39;s very good. I got a lot out of your description of that and there\u0026#39;s a lot of protein in what you\u0026#39;re talking about there. Right, that\u0026#39;s the thing. Not carbs, no carbs. All meat, all protein. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s the thing. Not carbs, no carbs, all meat All protein, keto marketing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s exactly right. So you are on your way up to the cottage for the last hurrah for the season. Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Wednesday, so it\u0026#39;ll probably be two weeks, very nice. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And then I\u0026#39;ll see you. I\u0026#39;ll be back pretty soon, in September, less than a month. We\u0026#39;ll lock in Table 10. Maybe we can do Cafe Balloud as a new place, as a new Our new French establishment for lunch. It\u0026#39;ll be awesome, okay, all right, dan, I\u0026#39;ll talk to you soon. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You too, okay, bye. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, We glean valuable insights into writing methods by contrasting Stephen King's solo approach with James Patterson's collaborations. \r\n\r\nWe explored the benefits of a second-person narrative and tailoring content for specific readers. We talked about an entrepreneur who built a candy empire by recognizing an opportunity and exemplifying the power of vision, focus, and innovative thinking. \r\n\r\nHis story highlighted how early experiences shape goals and the importance of collaboration. Additionally, this discussion examined how US elections impact businesses and underscored innovation and marketing's crucial roles. \r\n\r\nLastly, we covered strategic concepts like revenue per unconverted prospect and discussed books' significance in education.\r\n","date_published":"2024-09-18T09:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/acbdd9ec-09fa-4183-9498-7199aac21c24.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":48389307,"duration_in_seconds":3024}]},{"id":"b2422dc4-144a-45e4-bb93-f16bcddf0c86","title":"Ep132: Screen Time Evolution and Digital Dynamics","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/132","content_text":"In this episode of Cloudlandia, Our stories highlighted agricultural aspects of central Florida and comparisons of population densities in the U.S. and Canada. \n\nWe also reminisced on television’s evolution from shows like Romper Room to the first color programs. We reflected on limited past options versus today’s unlimited streaming and the importance of managing screen time given continual new choices. \n\nAdditionally, the discussion explored social dynamics considering Dunbar’s number theory contrasted against digital reach on platforms.\n\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\n\n  Dean discusses the strategic advantages of living in Central Florida, particularly in Winter Haven, which is centrally located and offers easy access to both coasts.\n  We delve into Winter Haven's rich agricultural heritage, highlighting cattle ranches, orange groves, and other rural aspects of Central Florida.\n  There's an interesting comparison between the population densities in the U.S. and Canada, including reflections on Ontario's geographic size and its southern location relative to many U.S. cities.\n  We take a nostalgic look at the evolution of television, from classic shows like \"Romper Room\" to the advent of color TV with hits like \"The Price is Right,\" and how this contrasts with today's streaming culture.\n  The episode includes reflections on how past limited screen choices have evolved into today's endless streaming possibilities, and the impact of this shift on modern screen time habits.\n  We explore the concept of social reach and relationships in the digital age, discussing the Dunbar number and how platforms like TikTok and Instagram have changed the dynamics of personal connections.\n  Insights are shared from the new book \"Casting, Not Hiring,\" which introduces the VCR formula—Vision, Capability, and Reach—as a framework for modern success.\n  Through real-life examples and personal stories, we emphasize the importance of aligning vision, capability, and reach to achieve significant accomplishments, using figures like Safali Shabari and Max Martin as case studies.\n  The episode also discusses the importance of choosing the right tools and staying committed to ongoing exploration and self-improvement.\n  Finally, the conversation underscores the necessity of conceptual ability to see how one can be useful to others and leverage their capabilities, vision, and reach for collaborative success.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean: Mr Sullivan, mr Jackson, you got through Hurricane Week. \n\nDan: Not quite Hurricane Week, Tropical Storm Week, but we did oh. \n\nDean: Tropical Storm A notch down in the hierarchy. \n\nDan: That's one of the good things about living in Winter Haven. It is actually a haven from winter. We are in the center. We are perched on high dry, sandy land, so there's no storm surges, nothing like that yeah, so you're a long way from the coast, aren't you? \n\nWell, I'm actually an hour and 15 minutes from either coast. We can get to either side and we can get to virtually almost every beach in two hours. Like it's such a centrally located, we're almost in the exact geographic center of peninsular Florida, so I can get to Jacksonville in three hours and Miami in three hours and pretty much everywhere you want to be within an hour. So it's good. \n\nDean: So I have a question because I've been there. Where is the big cattle ranching country? Is that south of you or north? \n\nDan: It's surrounding us, but sort of north and south in the central. If you think about the middle of Florida, basically aside from the Orlando-Tampa corridor which is like this swath that goes all the way across the state from Tampa to Cocoa Beach, that area is very developed but above and below that the center is much like the Australian outback in terms of the density of population. \n\nAnd north of I-4. In that area there is equestrian and rolling hills and there's a lot of equestrian properties there and ranches. South of that is where you'd find a lot of the cattle ranches, sod ranches, orange groves. All of that is in the center and then you get all the way down to the Everglades and then the Everglades is one of the big national parks, it's the Everglades. \n\nDean: Yeah, alligators I was actually on something that was described as the biggest cattle ranch, not only in Florida, but one of the bigger ones in the United States. Yes, and we drove at least 20 miles on the ranch before we got to buildings. \n\nDan: And it was interesting. \n\nDean: It was interesting. They had a lot of pigs wandering around and I asked them were they in the pig business? And they said no. It's just that every week or so the trail hands would like something besides beef. \n\nDan: Right, go out and wrestle them up a hog Right. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, have a barbecue, have a. \n\nDan: Yeah, well, you can actually not too far from here you can do hog hunting, where you can go and hunt hogs in the forest, yeah, all natural. \n\nDean: It's not. So. It's not silicon valley that we're talking about here no, we're really not. \n\nDan: We're talking about, you know, rural florida. This is why I know, yeah, you know you look at Florida and you know people talk about population density and stuff, but there's a lot of land in Florida that is undeveloped. I mean there's a whole south of I-4, there's another highway that goes all the way across the state, called Highway 60, and through Lake Wales, and it's very undeveloped. I mean there's really nothing. All the way from Tampa to Vero Beach is where it goes and it's virtually. It's the only place I've been in Florida where you can, on certain parts of it, look as far as you can see in any direction and see nothing. I mean it's that. \n\nAnd somebody has bought up like 80,000 acres around what's called Yeehaw Junction, which is where the Florida Turnpike intersects with Highway 60. Where the turnpike, the Florida turnpike, intersects with Highway 60. And you could see easily that you could duplicate the entire I-4 corridor, like Tampa and Orlando, along Highway 60 with plenty of room to spare. So I'm not worried about the you know population increase in Florida. \n\nDean: Yeah, it's really interesting. Peter Zion and one of his frequent you know he has his. You know he has videos every three days. Yeah, and you. But he was talking about all the developed countries, which would be mostly European countries, and you know Australia, new, zealand. You know he said that the US is by far the country with the least population density. I agree with that. \n\nDan: Most any state, even Ontario you look at as densely populated as the GTA is. Once you get beyond the GTA it's pretty sparse in Ontario. \n\nDean: Oh yeah, oh yeah I mean, yeah, there's an interesting thing. Just to give you a sense of how big Ontario is. First of all, ontario is a province in Canada, for those listening, and it's roughly about from north to south it's about 1200 miles, and from east to west it's 1400 miles. It's actually it's as big as mainland. It's almost as big as mainland Europe Isn't that amazing Without Russia when I found out. Not counting Russia. \n\nDan: I heard when I found out you could drive north from Toronto the entire distance from Toronto to Florida and still be in Ontario. That's pretty amazing. \n\nDean: Yeah, that gives you a context for it and most people don't realize that Toronto itself is further south than almost 20% of the United States. \n\nDan: People don't realize that Ontario dips down no below that. \n\nDean: No, it wouldn't be that much, but it is south of Minneapolis, south of Seattle, I think, it's south of Portland, you know, and then it's quite a bit south. I think it's south of Boston, it's south of you know everything like that. Yeah, maine all of it. It's about as south as you can get actually, yeah, but I think it's the most populated large city in the world, furthest north large city in the world oh, wow I think it's further south. I think it's further north than moscow oh, wow interesting. \n\nYeah, yeah and yeah, and it's getting bigger, it's getting bigger. Well, there you go. \n\nDan: Well, everyone. I'm waiting with bated breath to hear the great air fryer experiment from the Four Seasons beaches. \n\nDean: Has your air fryer arrived. \n\nDan: Oh, it's on the counter. \n\nDean: Okay, it's on the counter. It's on the counter, it's been plugged in, but it hasn't been used yet. Okay, okay, we sort of inch our way into these new technologies. \n\nDan: I got it, just unpack it and set it there for a little bit and just kind of let it live with it. \n\nDean: Well, it's been a week now and we haven't used it. Why don't we use it? So anyway, but it is sitting on the counter. It's a ninja. Is that the kind you have? \n\nDan: I think I have a breville is the name of uh mine. But did you get the one then? Did you get the one that steven palter posted? I have no idea. Oh okay, that's uh. \n\nDean: So, oh yeah, that's fab you have to appreciate how little I take into this sort of thing, exactly right. \n\nDan: I love that. \n\nDean: There will be a who who's between me and the air. \n\nDan: That's right? \n\nDean: Oh, dan, that's the best Any technology in the world. I can guarantee you there will be a who between me and the technology. And I said what do you think? And I look for people who really love interacting with technology. I want that person between me and the technology and I'll ask them what's it do? What's it do? \n\nDan: I'll tell you what I'm working on. \n\nDean: What will it do for the thing I'm working on? Yeah, yeah, I love that and I've been pretty constant on that. I mean, you know, I was constant on this when I was six years old. I just always let some other human investigate the new technology. \n\nDan: Yeah, and yeah. \n\nDean: So I've lived a disconnected life when it comes to technology. What explains that? \n\nDan: Well, I was thinking, you know about you, and I was thinking how you have the gift of being kind of brought into an era where television wasn't even a thing Like your earliest childhood was electronic free, I thought. But were you like? So you were born in 1944. And so it was six years. Probably Do you remember when you got exposed to your first television. \n\nDean: Yeah, I think I was maybe. Yeah, I think it was around 52. I mean I had seen it, I'd been in other people's houses right they had television, but actually having our own television, I think it's maybe eight years. I was eight, so you got all the way to you. \n\nDan: Think about this. You got all the way to eight years without being exposed to anybody else's visual bombardment of electronic propaganda or otherwise. Right, your visual input into your mind was largely formed through your own imagination. Yeah, you. You had to work, you had to create these visual pictures in your mind. Yeah, did you guys, did you? \n\nDean: listen to radio, and I was assisted by radio. \n\nDan: I remember radio had a big impact on me. \n\nDean: And yeah, oh yeah, sorry, sergeant King of the Yukon. And yeah, there was Amos and Andy. We listened to Amos and Andy, andy, we listened to Edgar Bergen and Charlie McCarthy and then there was one that my siblings, my older siblings, listened to at night, which was called the dark museum, which scared the daylights out of me and the shadow. \n\nDan: We listened to the shadow so was that the family activity no, no. \n\nDean: Here you have to get the full impact okay, sorry sorry. Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men. The shadow knows. And then you had a 30 minute. 30 minute example of human evil. You know it was great but you had to do all the visuals. You know I, you were the visual director of all these radio programs. \n\nDan: So was this? Everybody in the family gathered in the living room sitting on the couch listening to the radio like this. Is that what was going on? \n\nDean: Yeah, there was sort of a. Yeah, there was sort of a dining room actually where you could listen. There were a number of radios. There was a radio in the kitchen, there was a radio, I think, someplace else, and it was a big house, a farmhouse, yeah, and I remember listening, imagining, you know, imagining. There was another series called Sky King, sky King, which became a TV station you know, and the Lone Ranger. We had the Lone Ranger. \n\nDan: So there was a lot of variety, uh-huh and so, and then, in 1952, eight years old, you get your first television set. \n\nDean: I think, so I think that would have been about then, yeah. Yeah, because I remember the first presidential election was 52. And I can remember that being on television. Who was the? \n\nDan: president, was that Ike Eisenhower? \n\nDean: Yeah, I like Ike, that was Eisenhower's first term. I like Ike. \n\nDan: Now you know that's a really interesting thing. Do you remember, like your new routine when the television came? Were you watching TV every day from that period on? Or were your parents limiting the TV, or was everybody gathered around and limiting the TV, or was everybody around? \n\nDean: and watch the TV. Yeah, I mean it was a frequent. It was a frequent activity once came in, that's all I can say I don't know, I don't know if I watched every day, but there you know, there were favorite shows. I think Arthur Godfrey was one of the early shows, the variety hour, and yeah, no, children's. I think there wasfrey was one of the early shows, the Variety Hour, and yeah, no, so Children's. I think there was Howdy Doody. Howdy Doody was. \n\nDan: I think one of them Doody time. \n\nDean: Yeah, and I think Soupy Sales was on and yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, I'm just thinking how. Yeah, I remember Romper Room. I just saw a video of Joe and I at the I Love Marketing event and I was saying we had all the people streaming from all over the world and I was doing a little Romper Room and about half the people in the audience knew about Romper Room and half didn't. \n\nDean: That was kind of interesting. \n\nDan: I remember I see Bobby and Johnny in their magic mirror. I used to hide behind the sofa so she wouldn't see me miss joan miss joan, miss joan. Yeah, so I was thinking about it was good, I mean I mean it was good, but it wasn't. \n\nDean: It wasn't the major part, you know, of your you know it was only during weekdays, it was only at night and uh yeah, and on weekends I don't really there was. \n\nI don't know what the years were, but you know you got. You know, somewhere along the line you had jackie gleason and you had ed sullivan and you had other things like that, you know. But I wasn't. I can't say I was captivated because I was usually out. You know, I was outside, we lived in the country and I was out and I had really gotten hooked on reading. So I was doing a lot of reading back then. Yeah, interesting, but it is kind of what about yourself? \n\nDan: I mean, you were born in the television age. I was born in the television age, you're right. And so every day, you know, I mean, yeah, tv was part of every day. And I was just the reason. The context for me thinking about this was thinking about how recent, you know, as each layering availability of content became unlocked kind of thing, our, you know, screen time has dramatically increased. And I was thinking all the way back to you. That's why I was thinking about you is, you know, literally your first six or eight years there were no screens, there were the only, you know, the cinema of the mind. That was your, that was your entertainment, your imagination. But I remember, so when I remember when we got our first color television right Around 19 or some early like that, and I remember the first show that I saw in color was the Price is Right with Bob Barker, and then All in the Family with Archie Bunker. That was, so you know, in the 70s. It was the Jefferson and Sanford and Sand and then all these. \n\nYou know, the 70s, I think, was the golden era of television, you know, with all these shows becoming. You know, I remember Star Trek and you know all these, the Rockford Files and Starsky and Hutch, all the Love Boat, all these shows, these iconic shows in the seventies. But you only had, you know, basically the three networks was Canada, we had the CBC and TV Ontario. So those were the things and I remember as a kid, when the TV guide would arrive, we subscribed to the Saturday Star, the Toronto Star, that would arrive on Saturdays and that would have the TV guide in there, and I remember they would have it laid out like a you know a. \n\nGantt chart, or whatever the time, the grid of times, to show you what was on. \n\nDean: It was like a matrix. \n\nDan: It was like a matrix you could see yeah, so it would list there were, you know. \n\nDean: Every day had a matrix from yes till night 13 but you only had the three. You only had the three. \n\nDan: There were 13 13 channels, yeah, to choose from three networks. And I remember the you know organizing my saturdays in the winter around the cartoons. You know like okay, so I would have a highlighter which was recently invented in that winter around the cartoons. You know like okay, so I would have a highlighter which was recently invented in that or newly introduced or whatever to our household, but I would have the highlighter and I would like highlight my. I would do my programming. You know I'm going to watch. \n\nI'm going to watch the Justice League at you know eight o'clock and then I'm going to watch the Justice League at you know eight o'clock, and then I'm going to watch Batman at nine, and then I'm going to watch Shazam and then Scooby-Doo, and then it was the we're all about why CBS or ABC's wide world of sports. That was like a big thing. And I remember now how much of my childhood was around synchronous and scheduled programming Because there was no other option. If you wanted to see that show, if you wanted to watch the Waltons that was on my mom's favorite show you had to watch that on Thursday nights or whenever the Waltons were on, you know, and Little House on the Prairie, and it was like your selection, your decisions were made. \n\nIt wasn't like what should we watch tonight? Of the like now, infinite choices available to us, but we actually spend probably more as a percentage of our time not you, but collectively watching, consuming screen content. It's just been an observation. I've had some of these conversations. I'm getting really conscious of really being aware of my screen time and trying to be more discerning. \n\nDean: I was just thinking now that you've got me thinking about it. I left home in 62 when I was 18. And I can't remember until I was 40 actually having a television during that 20 years or 22 years. I went 22 years and you know I don't remember. \n\nI remember people having televisions that I would go and watch things, sports things like that but, I went 22 years so, and then, of course, I haven't watched it in the last six years, so I've got pretty close to 40 years of my life when I didn't watch television Half, almost half my life. So I think it's never been a big deal for me. \n\nDan: Right, think now like I look at kids now, like you think about the technological sophistication and facile nature of technology to eight-year-olds today, compared to Dan Sullivan at eight, you know is pretty amazing. But your experience in the outdoors to the average eight-year-old you know? \n\nDean: it's so funny. I never see very rare. \n\nDan: It's very rare, even in the 70s. Like growing up, you know the whole period of my childhood like from you know, six to 12. Six to 12. You don't see the same sort of pack of kids roaming around on the street that we saw when we were, when I was growing up anyway. I mean, you know, I grew up in the suburbs so we had like a very active, you know social ecosystem. We were outside all day, every day. You know social ecosystem. \n\nWe were outside all day, every day you know, playing and making things up and riding our bikes and exploring the ravines and the sewers, and our parents never really knew where we were either. I mean we were. The idea was you got up and you had breakfast and you got out and you came home when you got hungry or when the streetlights came on at night. That's the deadline, you know I heard a comedian talking about that that it was so laissez-faire when we were growing up that they had to run ads on TV at night that said it's 1030. Do you know where your children are? \n\nHad to remind our parents that they had kids. Oh, so funny and true, you know. \n\nDean: Yeah, it was really interesting, Really interesting. We in London we have our favorite hotel where we stay in London. \n\nDan: And across. \n\nDean: They've taken a whole old industrial area and they've completely transformed it. So they have a hotel and then they have condos and then they have shops and there's a courtyard in the middle and you cross one of the courtyards and there's a Japanese restaurant there. I remember being in there one night and there were six teenage girls, Japanese girls 16, 16, 17. And there were six of them at the table and each of them was on their phone during the entire meal. \n\nDan: Yeah they're all talking in direct with other people. Yeah, so funny, right? \n\nDean: They're not even there even when they're in the presence. It struck me that their world is actually inside the phone. Well, that's my point. \n\nDan: That's the whole point of Cloudlandia. Cloudlandia is the real world. That's where we all live in. Cloudlandia. \n\nDean: Not me. \n\nDan: No, when I say we all, I mean society, everything. I have to have a permanent disclaimer. \n\nDean: You're saying a large number, a large percentage, a large percentage, a large percentage, and Sullivan excluded A large percentage of people. Yeah, yeah. And it's honestly a different world. I mean, yeah, I can't make too many comments on it because I've never really experienced that you know. \n\nDan: So we've got a young guy in our, in our go-go agent platform. He's a young realtor in Guelph, ontario. He's in his mid twenties, just getting started on his career and stuff. He's lived in Guelph his whole life and one of the strategies that we teach people. \n\nDean: Nice city. \n\nDan: Yeah, guelph is a is beautiful, yeah, so he's grown up there. You know, really, you know good looking young guy, very personable. I think he's got a big future. But one of the strategies that we encourage people is to gather their top 150 relationships, the people that if they saw them at the grocery store they'd recognize them by name and stop and have a conversation with them. Right, and the hardest thing, the funniest thing is he, after racking his brain, could only come up with 88 people on his list of 150 people. \n\nAnd I thought to myself like the population of Guelph must be 150,000 people right In the Guelph area I mean, it's pretty good size city. I thought you know you look at this right that there's a kid who has grown up largely in the internet world, right, like largely on in Cloudlandia, and that's the real thing. The reality is that if you go outside of his bedroom and walk around on the street, he only knows 88 mainland people and he's surrounded. I was teasing him that I said are you telling me that you've lived your entire 26 years in Guelph and all you know is 88 people and you're walking around surrounded by 149,920? \n\nNpc is a gaming term, dan for non-playing characters, because all of these online video games GTA or Grand Theft Auto and all these things that are kind of photorealistic things. All the people that walk around in the background are called non-playing characters or NPCs. Ground are called non-playing characters or NPCs. And I said that's really what you're telling me is, you've spent your whole life in Guelph and you only when you step outside your bedroom, know 88 people. That's a problem If you're in a business that is a mainland business. \n\nMainland business right. \n\nDean: All houses are 100% firmly planted on the mainland, as are the people that inhabit those homes. \n\nDan: So it only makes sense that you need to get an outpost on the mainland, not in Cloudlandia, you know. \n\nDean: Yeah, I was just thinking, I was just caring of my company company, my team members. There may be some new ones that I don't know, but I certainly know 100. And then my free zone program. I've got 105 in there and you know, some of them. I have to check the list to get their name, but you know I'd be over. I'd be over 150 with those two groups. \n\nDan: Yeah, but there's. \n\nDean: And then there'd easily be another 100 with the 10 times group, and then there would be 20 with Genius Network. Yeah, I'd probably be 300 or 400 anyway. \n\nDan: And it's a really interesting thing. There's a lot of thing around that. Like Robin Dunbar, the evolutionary psychology anthropologist from Oxford, he is the one that coined that or discovered that information that the 150 is the magic number. You know, that's the number of relationships that we can manage where we recognize people and have, you know, a current status in their life kind of thing, in their life kind of thing. And that goes back to our first kind of days of playing the cooperation game where we would be tribal and have 150 people and that was a security thing. If you didn't know the people around you, that was a threat. Right, you had to know everybody. \n\nSo, that's part of it. If it got to 150 150 what would happen is they would split up and go off and, you know, form other tribes. But that was. There's so many naturally occurring ways that that happens, but I just noticed you know how so much of it is for me personally. \n\nLike my Cloudlandia reach is a hundred times or more my mainland reach. Like if you just think about the number of people that I know or know me from in Cloudlandia it's way bigger than the number of people that know me in Winter Haven, florida, in my own backyard, you know. \n\nDean: Yeah, well, it's very interesting. You know good FreeZone partner Peter or Stephen Poulter. You know, with TikTok he's got he's probably got 100,000 people who believe that he's their friend, he's their guide, he's their friend, yeah, yeah, but he wouldn't know any of them. \n\nDan: Right, that's exactly right. \n\nDean: So it's very. Taylor Swift probably has 100 million easy, probably more who know her? \n\nDan: Mr Beast has 350 subscribers. You think about that. That's a measurable percentage of every person on the planet. When you think about that, almost that's, yeah, more than. \n\nDean: It'll be interesting to see what he's like at 40. I wonder he's pushing 30. He's pushing 30, now right. \n\nDan: Yeah, I think 26 or 7. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, it'd be interesting to see what that does, because we only have really interactive relationships with a very small. I mean you talk about Dunbar's 150, but actually if you see who it is you hang out with, you know in the course of a year. I bet it's less than 15. Yeah, that's less, yeah, but yeah, yeah that's less, yeah, but yeah, I think, these numbers, you know, these huge numbers that come with quadlandia, do they mean anything? Do they actually mean anything, though, you know? \n\nDan: um, well, I think that what I mean to that? \n\nDean: do they have any? If you have that large of a reach, does it actually mean anything to you? \n\nDan: It certainly from a monetary standpoint it does. From a relationship standpoint it's sort of a one-way thing, yeah, I was talking to one of our social media. \n\nDean: We have a social media team here and I said can you bring me up to date? We have a social media team here and I says can you bring me up to date? I'm out there a lot every day, aren't I On Facebook and TikTok and Instagram and everything I said? I'm out there. And LinkedIn I'm out there a lot. \n\nAnd she says oh, yeah, every day there's probably about you know, five to ten new messages are going out from you and I said, that's interesting Because every once in a while I run into someone and someone says boy, I really liked your Instagram the other day and I said yeah, well, I aim to please. That's your whole thing, yeah, but I have no idea what's going out. \n\nDan: And that's, you know, that's only going to be amplified when you take, when AI starts creating or, you know, repackaging a lot of the let's face it, you've got a lot of content out there. You've spoken a lot of words, You've been, you know, if we capture, everything you say basically is captured digitally right. \n\nDean: Yep, Danny's got a lot to say. You do. Yeah that's right and you've got your. \n\nDan: You've got the whole organization. You're the happiest. He's very expressive. \n\nDean: Yeah, he's very expressive. You got a lot of milk, yeah, yeah. Well, anyway we're. I think we're going to start our next big book. We did the three with Ben Hardy, which have been a huge success. And I sent Ben a note. I said it was your idea to do these things, so without your initiative none of this would have happened. And of course you wrote the three books, so without your writing none of this would have happened and we've had really good results from hot leads coming in to coach from the books. \n\nIt wouldn't have happened if you hadn't done that. But you know the publisher is giving us a call every month Say do you have a new book, do you need a new writer and everything. But we're ready to go. \n\nDan: We're ready. \n\nDean: And I think so it's going to be. I think it's going to be the one that we're doing with Jeff Madoff casting, not hiring. Yeah, it's a nice punchy, you know, it's another one of the punchy titles and so that will come out in coach form in the first week of September. \n\nDan: So that'll be all printed. \n\nDean: I think it went. I think it goes tomorrow to the printer and it'll be printed up. And you know, I don't know what it is, but I think a lot of people are fooling themselves about reach because they're lacking vision and capability. They think if you have reach, you've got something. But I think, if you don't have all three, you don't have. If you don't have all three, you don't have anything. \n\nDan: Well, I think it's, if you have capability if you have capability. \n\nDean: If you have capability but no vision, no reach, you have nothing. If you have vision but you have no capability and reach, you have nothing. You got to have all three. \n\nDan: Yeah, you know it's very interesting. Chad Jenkins and I were talking, you know he's one of the bigger advocates for the VCR formula vision, capability, reach, about the you know the secret of that for people that you know whether we were to express them in capital V or lowercase v and capital C, lowercase c, capital R, lowercase r to see that where somebody self I see a lot of situations where people have a capital C capability that gets discovered and all of a sudden they're thrust into reach that they have no idea, no vision of what to do with. And it's very interesting. So someone that comes to mind. \n\nThere's a woman, safali Shabari, who I met in Toronto through Giovanni. She was a guest or speaker at one of his Archangel events capital C capability for parenting and that kind of advice and she got discovered by, you know, Oprah and all the mainstream. So she was kind of thrust into the spotlight that was now shining a light on her capability, which brought her tremendous, acute onset reach that she really doesn't have, in my observation, a vision for how to navigate, you know, or what to do with that. They're an abundant reach asset with no vision. You know, to connect the two and I think that happens a lot. I think that happens a lot, that people get thrust into a spotlight and they, you know, have. And often you can have reach without capability too, and that's a problem too, and that's a problem. But if your reach is a result of somebody discovering your capability, that is a big. That's the formula I was. \n\nyou know I've often talked about Max Martin as a role model you know the guy who's written all the number one songs on the radio that when I really started looking a little bit deeper into it, what I found out was that it was really through the reach of of Clive Davis that Max Martin's capability became. You know that he became Max Martin capability became. You know that he became Max Martin and because he was just a guy in Sweden producing great music, with a capital C capability of making pop songs, you know, and Clive Davis, when he discovered that he, as the president of Columbia Records and the founder of Arista and Jive Records, all of these subsidiaries, he had tremendous reach to both artists and their audiences. Visionary, to pair his artists with this Max Martin capability to create this capital VCR outcome of you know, all the success that Max Martin has had. And it was only through that pairing of a capital C capability with a capital R reach and a capital V vision then it all really became a big thing. \n\nDean: This is my observation. \n\nDan: This is all like live, you know developing, you know thoughts here around it, because I constantly. I run that filter constantly in background, filter constantly in background. But that VCR formula is, I think, a very relevant collaboration tool, that if people were really aware of their capabilities and had transparency to other people's vision, capabilities and reach, that's where the big connections happen, you know. \n\nDean: Yeah, I think it requires a fair amount of conceptual capability that you can. You can sort of depersonalize your situation enough to understand what your capability would mean to somebody else. \n\nAnd you have to have a conceptual ability to see what reach would mean. For example, I was on a podcast on Friday. I was a guest of someone who is a key player in the land development industry across the United States and he's in COACH. So he asked me a lot of questions about coach and I went through and I explained. He's got 10 years in coach and he talked about what each of those concepts meant to him and everything else. And then his podcast is going to go out to 5,000 key players in the land development land development business in you know probably 25 or 30 states and everything else. And so at the end he says you know, I'm going to send this out and I'll send all the coach information, everything else. And I got off the call and I said that was easy. \n\nDan: That was easy. Yes, that all you had to do was stay in your C lane of your capability. \n\nDean: I just stayed in my lane and said what we had done. And then I talked about where I thought we would be with Coach when I was 100. I'm 80 and Coach was 100. And that's kind of a significant statement. It's not the sort of thing you would hear every day from an 80-year-old of what things were going to be like when they were 100 and much bigger at 100 than at 80. \n\nAnd it was really interesting, but that was like an hour middle house and you know I'm just talking, you know really good conversation, a lot of back and forth and you know, both of us asking the other questions and everything else and I said that's pretty cool that goes out immediately to five thousand. That's immediately goes out to five thousand people. \n\nDan: Uh, yeah, yeah I mean that's pretty mean, you know, when you think about this, so of staying in your, in your lane of that's. Part of the great thing is that these things are largely plug and play, you know, like, and it happens. That's why I say a multiplier. You know, with the formula vision plus capability multiplied by reach, that reach is a multiplier. \n\nDean: Well, they're actually. Yeah, I think what it is that two of them are addition, but the third one's a multiplier. \n\nDan: Yes, that's exactly right. \n\nDean: In other words, you can have vision plus reach multiplied by capability. You can have vision plus capability multiplied by capability. You can have vision and capability, vision plus capability multiplied by reach. You can have vision plus reach multiplied by yeah, yeah, yeah but, I, think it's like two of them are inside of our parentheses. You have, you know yeah, then the other that's multiplied by the third one. \n\nDan: Yeah so it's very. \n\nDean: I'm convinced it's three yes From the triple play. So I'm thinking about a tool right now where I said who's got the big idea, who's got the big idea, who's got the ready-to-use capability, who's got the ready-to-use capability? \n\nDan: And who's? \n\nDean: got the ready-to-use reach? \n\nDan: Yes, you know that's fantastic. That would be a very useful tool. I think that's a really useful framework for collaboration. Yeah, it fits so well with our whole free zone operating system, you know? \n\nDean: yeah, because we're surrounded by those those capabilities. \n\nDan: Everybody's got a capability in the form of, uh, their self-multiplying company that they've already kind of established. To get to that point right, most people undervalue. They mostly undervalue their own capabilities and reach. They don't see them as assets in most cases. \n\nDean: Well, even when they have vision, the vision isn't really useful to anyone else. It's only useful to them Right. \n\nDan: Vision isn't really useful to anyone else. It's only useful to them, right yeah? \n\nDean: I mean your vision has to have a lot of room for other people. \n\nDan: That's what. So, chad and I've been talking about this there's the horizontal vision is within your own capability channel. You know they see vision, maybe within how to improve their capability, or internally. All their vision is within the walls of their own company. But where the real benefit comes is with horizontal vision. \n\nI said vertical vision is within your own company vision. I said vertical vision is within your own company. Horizontal vision is being able to see what your capabilities paired up with, recognizing someone else's vision that your capabilities could help or how someone else's reach could enhance your capabilities. \n\nYou know all of those that vertical or the horizontal vision is where the collaborative creativity comes yeah, yeah, there's so much yeah I think you're right that there's, you know, articulating, the thinking tool that helps you recognize and assess what your unique probably unique ability fits within a capability right. That's a thing in your organizational unique ability and your unique teamwork all fit within that capability channel. \n\nDean: Yeah, it was really funny. I was when was it Thursday? I think I was. When was it Thursday? I think I was invited into a workshop here in Toronto and it was the lead master's group. Okay, so the lead master's group is the lead group of all the people who are still at the signature level after 20, 25 years. Okay, and they haven't jumped to the 10 times. They haven't, you know. Their next group would be 10 times. \n\nDan: And they're a long way. \n\nDean: They're a long way off from free zone Anyway, but we're introducing the triple play straight across the program. This quarter. So everybody's getting the triple play. And there was a group, probably about 40, maybe 40 in the room and I would say, three got it, three got the triple play Understood, yeah. And they said, yeah, well, why would I do this? And I said well to differentiate yourself from everybody else. \n\nYeah well, I'm not sure why I would do that and everything else, and so this is why I put the emphasis you have to have a conceptual ability that's apart from you. You're just seeing something that exists, that's big and it's powerful, but it exists outside of you. It's not you. Somebody else's capability exists outside of you. Somebody's vision exists outside of you. And somebody's reach exists outside of you. \n\nAnd you've got to be able to see this as a reality that exists in the world, whether you want to use it or not. These abilities, these capabilities, vision and reach is outside of yourself. Vision and reach is outside of yourself. And then you have to say if I'm going to use what other people have, how do I have to be useful to them, that they would be agreeable to that, and I think that takes a lot of conceptual ability to see how you could be useful to other people. \n\nDan: Yeah, I agree with that, that's true. \n\nDean: Yeah, I think there's. I mean, if you can only see within your own framework, you're not going to be VCRing anything. \n\nDan: Right, exactly, you're only going to be trying to increase, you know, or improve your own limited vision within your own situation and working on your own capabilities, and only with your own reach. It's real. That's where it's like linear. That's linear, yeah, and you know exponential is plugging in to ready to implement reach, vision and technology or capability. \n\nDean: It's really funny because huh, well, yeah, it's who, not how. But you have to see the who's as existing, completely independent of you. They just exist. They're out there, they're doing their thing and they're not going to be interested in you unless there's a big payoff. In other words, they have to see and it was very interesting because when I talked to like first year and strategic coach, you know first or let's say, signature level first or second and people will say well, you have such great people here at coach, how do you find great people? \n\nDan: And I said you know where I live, you know I live in such and such place. \n\nDean: We don't have great people like you find great people. And I I said you know where I live, you know I live in such and such place. We don't have great people like you have great people. And I said I suspect you do have great people, they're just not looking for you. Yeah right, how? How do you have to be such that other great people would be interested in you as an opportunity? \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, amazing you have to have something compelling you do you? \n\nDean: have to have something compelling. Yeah, not convincing, but compelling. \n\nDan: That's right, you know, shaped with a what's in it for them. Yeah, viewpoint, you know that's. I think Joe's book is amazing to set. I can't. It's one of those things that I can't believe nobody has written that book until now, you know. But just that whole idea of thinking about your vision, capabilities and reach from a what's in it for them perspective, with other people, what you can do for other people, it's almost one of those things that it's so powerful. \n\nDean: That's true. That's true of all new things, though. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: I can't believe somebody hasn't thought about this before. Uh-huh. Right right, right yeah. \n\nDan: Oh man, that was. So there was George Carlin. He had a thing, a little you know comment where he was saying how the English language is so incredible that you'd think everything that's possible to say has already been said, you know. But he said I'm going to say things tonight here that have never been spoken in the history of the world. For instance, he said hey, marge, after I finish sticking this red hot poker in my eye, I'm going to go out and barbecue some steaks. \n\nNobody's ever said those words in the history of the world. So it's not. Everything hasn't been said. I thought that was pretty funny actually. So there, yeah, Well we've spent an hour. \n\nDean: We did a good hour, I think so. \n\nDan: I always enjoy these conversations. \n\nDean: Yeah, and. I'm going to, I think yeah you ought to zero in on the tools. You know that, yeah, and I'm going to. \n\nDan: I think, yeah, you ought to zero in on the tool. \n\nDean: You know that I'll give some thought to it, but this is your tool, not my tool. I'll give some thought to it. I love it, All right. \n\nDan: Okay, talk to you next week. Bye. \n\nDean: Okay, bye. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn this episode of Cloudlandia, Our stories highlighted agricultural aspects of central Florida and comparisons of population densities in the U.S. and Canada. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe also reminisced on television’s evolution from shows like Romper Room to the first color programs. We reflected on limited past options versus today’s unlimited streaming and the importance of managing screen time given continual new choices. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAdditionally, the discussion explored social dynamics considering Dunbar’s number theory contrasted against digital reach on platforms.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul style=\"list-style-type: circle;\"\u003e\n\u003c/center\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eDean discusses the strategic advantages of living in Central Florida, particularly in Winter Haven, which is centrally located and offers easy access to both coasts.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe delve into Winter Haven's rich agricultural heritage, highlighting cattle ranches, orange groves, and other rural aspects of Central Florida.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eThere's an interesting comparison between the population densities in the U.S. and Canada, including reflections on Ontario's geographic size and its southern location relative to many U.S. cities.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe take a nostalgic look at the evolution of television, from classic shows like \"Romper Room\" to the advent of color TV with hits like \"The Price is Right,\" and how this contrasts with today's streaming culture.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eThe episode includes reflections on how past limited screen choices have evolved into today's endless streaming possibilities, and the impact of this shift on modern screen time habits.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe explore the concept of social reach and relationships in the digital age, discussing the Dunbar number and how platforms like TikTok and Instagram have changed the dynamics of personal connections.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eInsights are shared from the new book \"Casting, Not Hiring,\" which introduces the VCR formula—Vision, Capability, and Reach—as a framework for modern success.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eThrough real-life examples and personal stories, we emphasize the importance of aligning vision, capability, and reach to achieve significant accomplishments, using figures like Safali Shabari and Max Martin as case studies.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eThe episode also discusses the importance of choosing the right tools and staying committed to ongoing exploration and self-improvement.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eFinally, the conversation underscores the necessity of conceptual ability to see how one can be useful to others and leverage their capabilities, vision, and reach for collaborative success.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Sullivan, mr Jackson, you got through Hurricane Week. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Not quite Hurricane Week, Tropical Storm Week, but we did oh. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Tropical Storm A notch down in the hierarchy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s one of the good things about living in Winter Haven. It is actually a haven from winter. We are in the center. We are perched on high dry, sandy land, so there\u0026#39;s no storm surges, nothing like that yeah, so you\u0026#39;re a long way from the coast, aren\u0026#39;t you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWell, I\u0026#39;m actually an hour and 15 minutes from either coast. We can get to either side and we can get to virtually almost every beach in two hours. Like it\u0026#39;s such a centrally located, we\u0026#39;re almost in the exact geographic center of peninsular Florida, so I can get to Jacksonville in three hours and Miami in three hours and pretty much everywhere you want to be within an hour. So it\u0026#39;s good. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So I have a question because I\u0026#39;ve been there. Where is the big cattle ranching country? Is that south of you or north? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s surrounding us, but sort of north and south in the central. If you think about the middle of Florida, basically aside from the Orlando-Tampa corridor which is like this swath that goes all the way across the state from Tampa to Cocoa Beach, that area is very developed but above and below that the center is much like the Australian outback in terms of the density of population. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd north of I-4. In that area there is equestrian and rolling hills and there\u0026#39;s a lot of equestrian properties there and ranches. South of that is where you\u0026#39;d find a lot of the cattle ranches, sod ranches, orange groves. All of that is in the center and then you get all the way down to the Everglades and then the Everglades is one of the big national parks, it\u0026#39;s the Everglades. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, alligators I was actually on something that was described as the biggest cattle ranch, not only in Florida, but one of the bigger ones in the United States. Yes, and we drove at least 20 miles on the ranch before we got to buildings. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And it was interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It was interesting. They had a lot of pigs wandering around and I asked them were they in the pig business? And they said no. It\u0026#39;s just that every week or so the trail hands would like something besides beef. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, go out and wrestle them up a hog Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, have a barbecue, have a. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, you can actually not too far from here you can do hog hunting, where you can go and hunt hogs in the forest, yeah, all natural. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s not. So. It\u0026#39;s not silicon valley that we\u0026#39;re talking about here no, we\u0026#39;re really not. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We\u0026#39;re talking about, you know, rural florida. This is why I know, yeah, you know you look at Florida and you know people talk about population density and stuff, but there\u0026#39;s a lot of land in Florida that is undeveloped. I mean there\u0026#39;s a whole south of I-4, there\u0026#39;s another highway that goes all the way across the state, called Highway 60, and through Lake Wales, and it\u0026#39;s very undeveloped. I mean there\u0026#39;s really nothing. All the way from Tampa to Vero Beach is where it goes and it\u0026#39;s virtually. It\u0026#39;s the only place I\u0026#39;ve been in Florida where you can, on certain parts of it, look as far as you can see in any direction and see nothing. I mean it\u0026#39;s that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd somebody has bought up like 80,000 acres around what\u0026#39;s called Yeehaw Junction, which is where the Florida Turnpike intersects with Highway 60. Where the turnpike, the Florida turnpike, intersects with Highway 60. And you could see easily that you could duplicate the entire I-4 corridor, like Tampa and Orlando, along Highway 60 with plenty of room to spare. So I\u0026#39;m not worried about the you know population increase in Florida. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s really interesting. Peter Zion and one of his frequent you know he has his. You know he has videos every three days. Yeah, and you. But he was talking about all the developed countries, which would be mostly European countries, and you know Australia, new, zealand. You know he said that the US is by far the country with the least population density. I agree with that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Most any state, even Ontario you look at as densely populated as the GTA is. Once you get beyond the GTA it\u0026#39;s pretty sparse in Ontario. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah, oh yeah I mean, yeah, there\u0026#39;s an interesting thing. Just to give you a sense of how big Ontario is. First of all, ontario is a province in Canada, for those listening, and it\u0026#39;s roughly about from north to south it\u0026#39;s about 1200 miles, and from east to west it\u0026#39;s 1400 miles. It\u0026#39;s actually it\u0026#39;s as big as mainland. It\u0026#39;s almost as big as mainland Europe Isn\u0026#39;t that amazing Without Russia when I found out. Not counting Russia. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I heard when I found out you could drive north from Toronto the entire distance from Toronto to Florida and still be in Ontario. That\u0026#39;s pretty amazing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that gives you a context for it and most people don\u0026#39;t realize that Toronto itself is further south than almost 20% of the United States. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e People don\u0026#39;t realize that Ontario dips down no below that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No, it wouldn\u0026#39;t be that much, but it is south of Minneapolis, south of Seattle, I think, it\u0026#39;s south of Portland, you know, and then it\u0026#39;s quite a bit south. I think it\u0026#39;s south of Boston, it\u0026#39;s south of you know everything like that. Yeah, maine all of it. It\u0026#39;s about as south as you can get actually, yeah, but I think it\u0026#39;s the most populated large city in the world, furthest north large city in the world oh, wow I think it\u0026#39;s further south. I think it\u0026#39;s further north than moscow oh, wow interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, yeah and yeah, and it\u0026#39;s getting bigger, it\u0026#39;s getting bigger. Well, there you go. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, everyone. I\u0026#39;m waiting with bated breath to hear the great air fryer experiment from the Four Seasons beaches. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Has your air fryer arrived. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, it\u0026#39;s on the counter. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, it\u0026#39;s on the counter. It\u0026#39;s on the counter, it\u0026#39;s been plugged in, but it hasn\u0026#39;t been used yet. Okay, okay, we sort of inch our way into these new technologies. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I got it, just unpack it and set it there for a little bit and just kind of let it live with it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it\u0026#39;s been a week now and we haven\u0026#39;t used it. Why don\u0026#39;t we use it? So anyway, but it is sitting on the counter. It\u0026#39;s a ninja. Is that the kind you have? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think I have a breville is the name of uh mine. But did you get the one then? Did you get the one that steven palter posted? I have no idea. Oh okay, that\u0026#39;s uh. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So, oh yeah, that\u0026#39;s fab you have to appreciate how little I take into this sort of thing, exactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I love that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e There will be a who who\u0026#39;s between me and the air. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s right? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, dan, that\u0026#39;s the best Any technology in the world. I can guarantee you there will be a who between me and the technology. And I said what do you think? And I look for people who really love interacting with technology. I want that person between me and the technology and I\u0026#39;ll ask them what\u0026#39;s it do? What\u0026#39;s it do? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ll tell you what I\u0026#39;m working on. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e What will it do for the thing I\u0026#39;m working on? Yeah, yeah, I love that and I\u0026#39;ve been pretty constant on that. I mean, you know, I was constant on this when I was six years old. I just always let some other human investigate the new technology. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So I\u0026#39;ve lived a disconnected life when it comes to technology. What explains that? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I was thinking, you know about you, and I was thinking how you have the gift of being kind of brought into an era where television wasn\u0026#39;t even a thing Like your earliest childhood was electronic free, I thought. But were you like? So you were born in 1944. And so it was six years. Probably Do you remember when you got exposed to your first television. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think I was maybe. Yeah, I think it was around 52. I mean I had seen it, I\u0026#39;d been in other people\u0026#39;s houses right they had television, but actually having our own television, I think it\u0026#39;s maybe eight years. I was eight, so you got all the way to you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Think about this. You got all the way to eight years without being exposed to anybody else\u0026#39;s visual bombardment of electronic propaganda or otherwise. Right, your visual input into your mind was largely formed through your own imagination. Yeah, you. You had to work, you had to create these visual pictures in your mind. Yeah, did you guys, did you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e listen to radio, and I was assisted by radio. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I remember radio had a big impact on me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And yeah, oh yeah, sorry, sergeant King of the Yukon. And yeah, there was Amos and Andy. We listened to Amos and Andy, andy, we listened to Edgar Bergen and Charlie McCarthy and then there was one that my siblings, my older siblings, listened to at night, which was called the dark museum, which scared the daylights out of me and the shadow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We listened to the shadow so was that the family activity no, no. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Here you have to get the full impact okay, sorry sorry. Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men. The shadow knows. And then you had a 30 minute. 30 minute example of human evil. You know it was great but you had to do all the visuals. You know I, you were the visual director of all these radio programs. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So was this? Everybody in the family gathered in the living room sitting on the couch listening to the radio like this. Is that what was going on? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, there was sort of a. Yeah, there was sort of a dining room actually where you could listen. There were a number of radios. There was a radio in the kitchen, there was a radio, I think, someplace else, and it was a big house, a farmhouse, yeah, and I remember listening, imagining, you know, imagining. There was another series called Sky King, sky King, which became a TV station you know, and the Lone Ranger. We had the Lone Ranger. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So there was a lot of variety, uh-huh and so, and then, in 1952, eight years old, you get your first television set. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think, so I think that would have been about then, yeah. Yeah, because I remember the first presidential election was 52. And I can remember that being on television. Who was the? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e president, was that Ike Eisenhower? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I like Ike, that was Eisenhower\u0026#39;s first term. I like Ike. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Now you know that\u0026#39;s a really interesting thing. Do you remember, like your new routine when the television came? Were you watching TV every day from that period on? Or were your parents limiting the TV, or was everybody gathered around and limiting the TV, or was everybody around? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e and watch the TV. Yeah, I mean it was a frequent. It was a frequent activity once came in, that\u0026#39;s all I can say I don\u0026#39;t know, I don\u0026#39;t know if I watched every day, but there you know, there were favorite shows. I think Arthur Godfrey was one of the early shows, the variety hour, and yeah, no, children\u0026#39;s. I think there wasfrey was one of the early shows, the Variety Hour, and yeah, no, so Children\u0026#39;s. I think there was Howdy Doody. Howdy Doody was. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think one of them Doody time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and I think Soupy Sales was on and yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I\u0026#39;m just thinking how. Yeah, I remember Romper Room. I just saw a video of Joe and I at the I Love Marketing event and I was saying we had all the people streaming from all over the world and I was doing a little Romper Room and about half the people in the audience knew about Romper Room and half didn\u0026#39;t. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That was kind of interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I remember I see Bobby and Johnny in their magic mirror. I used to hide behind the sofa so she wouldn\u0026#39;t see me miss joan miss joan, miss joan. Yeah, so I was thinking about it was good, I mean I mean it was good, but it wasn\u0026#39;t. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It wasn\u0026#39;t the major part, you know, of your you know it was only during weekdays, it was only at night and uh yeah, and on weekends I don\u0026#39;t really there was. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI don\u0026#39;t know what the years were, but you know you got. You know, somewhere along the line you had jackie gleason and you had ed sullivan and you had other things like that, you know. But I wasn\u0026#39;t. I can\u0026#39;t say I was captivated because I was usually out. You know, I was outside, we lived in the country and I was out and I had really gotten hooked on reading. So I was doing a lot of reading back then. Yeah, interesting, but it is kind of what about yourself? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, you were born in the television age. I was born in the television age, you\u0026#39;re right. And so every day, you know, I mean, yeah, tv was part of every day. And I was just the reason. The context for me thinking about this was thinking about how recent, you know, as each layering availability of content became unlocked kind of thing, our, you know, screen time has dramatically increased. And I was thinking all the way back to you. That\u0026#39;s why I was thinking about you is, you know, literally your first six or eight years there were no screens, there were the only, you know, the cinema of the mind. That was your, that was your entertainment, your imagination. But I remember, so when I remember when we got our first color television right Around 19 or some early like that, and I remember the first show that I saw in color was the Price is Right with Bob Barker, and then All in the Family with Archie Bunker. That was, so you know, in the 70s. It was the Jefferson and Sanford and Sand and then all these. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, the 70s, I think, was the golden era of television, you know, with all these shows becoming. You know, I remember Star Trek and you know all these, the Rockford Files and Starsky and Hutch, all the Love Boat, all these shows, these iconic shows in the seventies. But you only had, you know, basically the three networks was Canada, we had the CBC and TV Ontario. So those were the things and I remember as a kid, when the TV guide would arrive, we subscribed to the Saturday Star, the Toronto Star, that would arrive on Saturdays and that would have the TV guide in there, and I remember they would have it laid out like a you know a. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eGantt chart, or whatever the time, the grid of times, to show you what was on. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It was like a matrix. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It was like a matrix you could see yeah, so it would list there were, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Every day had a matrix from yes till night 13 but you only had the three. You only had the three. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e There were 13 13 channels, yeah, to choose from three networks. And I remember the you know organizing my saturdays in the winter around the cartoons. You know like okay, so I would have a highlighter which was recently invented in that winter around the cartoons. You know like okay, so I would have a highlighter which was recently invented in that or newly introduced or whatever to our household, but I would have the highlighter and I would like highlight my. I would do my programming. You know I\u0026#39;m going to watch. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI\u0026#39;m going to watch the Justice League at you know eight o\u0026#39;clock and then I\u0026#39;m going to watch the Justice League at you know eight o\u0026#39;clock, and then I\u0026#39;m going to watch Batman at nine, and then I\u0026#39;m going to watch Shazam and then Scooby-Doo, and then it was the we\u0026#39;re all about why CBS or ABC\u0026#39;s wide world of sports. That was like a big thing. And I remember now how much of my childhood was around synchronous and scheduled programming Because there was no other option. If you wanted to see that show, if you wanted to watch the Waltons that was on my mom\u0026#39;s favorite show you had to watch that on Thursday nights or whenever the Waltons were on, you know, and Little House on the Prairie, and it was like your selection, your decisions were made. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt wasn\u0026#39;t like what should we watch tonight? Of the like now, infinite choices available to us, but we actually spend probably more as a percentage of our time not you, but collectively watching, consuming screen content. It\u0026#39;s just been an observation. I\u0026#39;ve had some of these conversations. I\u0026#39;m getting really conscious of really being aware of my screen time and trying to be more discerning. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I was just thinking now that you\u0026#39;ve got me thinking about it. I left home in 62 when I was 18. And I can\u0026#39;t remember until I was 40 actually having a television during that 20 years or 22 years. I went 22 years and you know I don\u0026#39;t remember. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI remember people having televisions that I would go and watch things, sports things like that but, I went 22 years so, and then, of course, I haven\u0026#39;t watched it in the last six years, so I\u0026#39;ve got pretty close to 40 years of my life when I didn\u0026#39;t watch television Half, almost half my life. So I think it\u0026#39;s never been a big deal for me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, think now like I look at kids now, like you think about the technological sophistication and facile nature of technology to eight-year-olds today, compared to Dan Sullivan at eight, you know is pretty amazing. But your experience in the outdoors to the average eight-year-old you know? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e it\u0026#39;s so funny. I never see very rare. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s very rare, even in the 70s. Like growing up, you know the whole period of my childhood like from you know, six to 12. Six to 12. You don\u0026#39;t see the same sort of pack of kids roaming around on the street that we saw when we were, when I was growing up anyway. I mean, you know, I grew up in the suburbs so we had like a very active, you know social ecosystem. We were outside all day, every day. You know social ecosystem. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe were outside all day, every day you know, playing and making things up and riding our bikes and exploring the ravines and the sewers, and our parents never really knew where we were either. I mean we were. The idea was you got up and you had breakfast and you got out and you came home when you got hungry or when the streetlights came on at night. That\u0026#39;s the deadline, you know I heard a comedian talking about that that it was so laissez-faire when we were growing up that they had to run ads on TV at night that said it\u0026#39;s 1030. Do you know where your children are? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHad to remind our parents that they had kids. Oh, so funny and true, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it was really interesting, Really interesting. We in London we have our favorite hotel where we stay in London. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And across. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e They\u0026#39;ve taken a whole old industrial area and they\u0026#39;ve completely transformed it. So they have a hotel and then they have condos and then they have shops and there\u0026#39;s a courtyard in the middle and you cross one of the courtyards and there\u0026#39;s a Japanese restaurant there. I remember being in there one night and there were six teenage girls, Japanese girls 16, 16, 17. And there were six of them at the table and each of them was on their phone during the entire meal. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah they\u0026#39;re all talking in direct with other people. Yeah, so funny, right? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e They\u0026#39;re not even there even when they\u0026#39;re in the presence. It struck me that their world is actually inside the phone. Well, that\u0026#39;s my point. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s the whole point of Cloudlandia. Cloudlandia is the real world. That\u0026#39;s where we all live in. Cloudlandia. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Not me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, when I say we all, I mean society, everything. I have to have a permanent disclaimer. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You\u0026#39;re saying a large number, a large percentage, a large percentage, a large percentage, and Sullivan excluded A large percentage of people. Yeah, yeah. And it\u0026#39;s honestly a different world. I mean, yeah, I can\u0026#39;t make too many comments on it because I\u0026#39;ve never really experienced that you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So we\u0026#39;ve got a young guy in our, in our go-go agent platform. He\u0026#39;s a young realtor in Guelph, ontario. He\u0026#39;s in his mid twenties, just getting started on his career and stuff. He\u0026#39;s lived in Guelph his whole life and one of the strategies that we teach people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Nice city. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, guelph is a is beautiful, yeah, so he\u0026#39;s grown up there. You know, really, you know good looking young guy, very personable. I think he\u0026#39;s got a big future. But one of the strategies that we encourage people is to gather their top 150 relationships, the people that if they saw them at the grocery store they\u0026#39;d recognize them by name and stop and have a conversation with them. Right, and the hardest thing, the funniest thing is he, after racking his brain, could only come up with 88 people on his list of 150 people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I thought to myself like the population of Guelph must be 150,000 people right In the Guelph area I mean, it\u0026#39;s pretty good size city. I thought you know you look at this right that there\u0026#39;s a kid who has grown up largely in the internet world, right, like largely on in Cloudlandia, and that\u0026#39;s the real thing. The reality is that if you go outside of his bedroom and walk around on the street, he only knows 88 mainland people and he\u0026#39;s surrounded. I was teasing him that I said are you telling me that you\u0026#39;ve lived your entire 26 years in Guelph and all you know is 88 people and you\u0026#39;re walking around surrounded by 149,920? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNpc is a gaming term, dan for non-playing characters, because all of these online video games GTA or Grand Theft Auto and all these things that are kind of photorealistic things. All the people that walk around in the background are called non-playing characters or NPCs. Ground are called non-playing characters or NPCs. And I said that\u0026#39;s really what you\u0026#39;re telling me is, you\u0026#39;ve spent your whole life in Guelph and you only when you step outside your bedroom, know 88 people. That\u0026#39;s a problem If you\u0026#39;re in a business that is a mainland business. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eMainland business right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e All houses are 100% firmly planted on the mainland, as are the people that inhabit those homes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So it only makes sense that you need to get an outpost on the mainland, not in Cloudlandia, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I was just thinking, I was just caring of my company company, my team members. There may be some new ones that I don\u0026#39;t know, but I certainly know 100. And then my free zone program. I\u0026#39;ve got 105 in there and you know, some of them. I have to check the list to get their name, but you know I\u0026#39;d be over. I\u0026#39;d be over 150 with those two groups. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but there\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And then there\u0026#39;d easily be another 100 with the 10 times group, and then there would be 20 with Genius Network. Yeah, I\u0026#39;d probably be 300 or 400 anyway. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And it\u0026#39;s a really interesting thing. There\u0026#39;s a lot of thing around that. Like Robin Dunbar, the evolutionary psychology anthropologist from Oxford, he is the one that coined that or discovered that information that the 150 is the magic number. You know, that\u0026#39;s the number of relationships that we can manage where we recognize people and have, you know, a current status in their life kind of thing, in their life kind of thing. And that goes back to our first kind of days of playing the cooperation game where we would be tribal and have 150 people and that was a security thing. If you didn\u0026#39;t know the people around you, that was a threat. Right, you had to know everybody. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo, that\u0026#39;s part of it. If it got to 150 150 what would happen is they would split up and go off and, you know, form other tribes. But that was. There\u0026#39;s so many naturally occurring ways that that happens, but I just noticed you know how so much of it is for me personally. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eLike my Cloudlandia reach is a hundred times or more my mainland reach. Like if you just think about the number of people that I know or know me from in Cloudlandia it\u0026#39;s way bigger than the number of people that know me in Winter Haven, florida, in my own backyard, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, it\u0026#39;s very interesting. You know good FreeZone partner Peter or Stephen Poulter. You know, with TikTok he\u0026#39;s got he\u0026#39;s probably got 100,000 people who believe that he\u0026#39;s their friend, he\u0026#39;s their guide, he\u0026#39;s their friend, yeah, yeah, but he wouldn\u0026#39;t know any of them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, that\u0026#39;s exactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So it\u0026#39;s very. Taylor Swift probably has 100 million easy, probably more who know her? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Beast has 350 subscribers. You think about that. That\u0026#39;s a measurable percentage of every person on the planet. When you think about that, almost that\u0026#39;s, yeah, more than. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;ll be interesting to see what he\u0026#39;s like at 40. I wonder he\u0026#39;s pushing 30. He\u0026#39;s pushing 30, now right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think 26 or 7. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, it\u0026#39;d be interesting to see what that does, because we only have really interactive relationships with a very small. I mean you talk about Dunbar\u0026#39;s 150, but actually if you see who it is you hang out with, you know in the course of a year. I bet it\u0026#39;s less than 15. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s less, yeah, but yeah, yeah that\u0026#39;s less, yeah, but yeah, I think, these numbers, you know, these huge numbers that come with quadlandia, do they mean anything? Do they actually mean anything, though, you know? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e um, well, I think that what I mean to that? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e do they have any? If you have that large of a reach, does it actually mean anything to you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It certainly from a monetary standpoint it does. From a relationship standpoint it\u0026#39;s sort of a one-way thing, yeah, I was talking to one of our social media. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We have a social media team here and I said can you bring me up to date? We have a social media team here and I says can you bring me up to date? I\u0026#39;m out there a lot every day, aren\u0026#39;t I On Facebook and TikTok and Instagram and everything I said? I\u0026#39;m out there. And LinkedIn I\u0026#39;m out there a lot. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd she says oh, yeah, every day there\u0026#39;s probably about you know, five to ten new messages are going out from you and I said, that\u0026#39;s interesting Because every once in a while I run into someone and someone says boy, I really liked your Instagram the other day and I said yeah, well, I aim to please. That\u0026#39;s your whole thing, yeah, but I have no idea what\u0026#39;s going out. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And that\u0026#39;s, you know, that\u0026#39;s only going to be amplified when you take, when AI starts creating or, you know, repackaging a lot of the let\u0026#39;s face it, you\u0026#39;ve got a lot of content out there. You\u0026#39;ve spoken a lot of words, You\u0026#39;ve been, you know, if we capture, everything you say basically is captured digitally right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yep, Danny\u0026#39;s got a lot to say. You do. Yeah that\u0026#39;s right and you\u0026#39;ve got your. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You\u0026#39;ve got the whole organization. You\u0026#39;re the happiest. He\u0026#39;s very expressive. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, he\u0026#39;s very expressive. You got a lot of milk, yeah, yeah. Well, anyway we\u0026#39;re. I think we\u0026#39;re going to start our next big book. We did the three with Ben Hardy, which have been a huge success. And I sent Ben a note. I said it was your idea to do these things, so without your initiative none of this would have happened. And of course you wrote the three books, so without your writing none of this would have happened and we\u0026#39;ve had really good results from hot leads coming in to coach from the books. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt wouldn\u0026#39;t have happened if you hadn\u0026#39;t done that. But you know the publisher is giving us a call every month Say do you have a new book, do you need a new writer and everything. But we\u0026#39;re ready to go. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We\u0026#39;re ready. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And I think so it\u0026#39;s going to be. I think it\u0026#39;s going to be the one that we\u0026#39;re doing with Jeff Madoff casting, not hiring. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s a nice punchy, you know, it\u0026#39;s another one of the punchy titles and so that will come out in coach form in the first week of September. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So that\u0026#39;ll be all printed. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it went. I think it goes tomorrow to the printer and it\u0026#39;ll be printed up. And you know, I don\u0026#39;t know what it is, but I think a lot of people are fooling themselves about reach because they\u0026#39;re lacking vision and capability. They think if you have reach, you\u0026#39;ve got something. But I think, if you don\u0026#39;t have all three, you don\u0026#39;t have. If you don\u0026#39;t have all three, you don\u0026#39;t have anything. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think it\u0026#39;s, if you have capability if you have capability. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e If you have capability but no vision, no reach, you have nothing. If you have vision but you have no capability and reach, you have nothing. You got to have all three. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you know it\u0026#39;s very interesting. Chad Jenkins and I were talking, you know he\u0026#39;s one of the bigger advocates for the VCR formula vision, capability, reach, about the you know the secret of that for people that you know whether we were to express them in capital V or lowercase v and capital C, lowercase c, capital R, lowercase r to see that where somebody self I see a lot of situations where people have a capital C capability that gets discovered and all of a sudden they\u0026#39;re thrust into reach that they have no idea, no vision of what to do with. And it\u0026#39;s very interesting. So someone that comes to mind. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere\u0026#39;s a woman, safali Shabari, who I met in Toronto through Giovanni. She was a guest or speaker at one of his Archangel events capital C capability for parenting and that kind of advice and she got discovered by, you know, Oprah and all the mainstream. So she was kind of thrust into the spotlight that was now shining a light on her capability, which brought her tremendous, acute onset reach that she really doesn\u0026#39;t have, in my observation, a vision for how to navigate, you know, or what to do with that. They\u0026#39;re an abundant reach asset with no vision. You know, to connect the two and I think that happens a lot. I think that happens a lot, that people get thrust into a spotlight and they, you know, have. And often you can have reach without capability too, and that\u0026#39;s a problem too, and that\u0026#39;s a problem. But if your reach is a result of somebody discovering your capability, that is a big. That\u0026#39;s the formula I was. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eyou know I\u0026#39;ve often talked about Max Martin as a role model you know the guy who\u0026#39;s written all the number one songs on the radio that when I really started looking a little bit deeper into it, what I found out was that it was really through the reach of of Clive Davis that Max Martin\u0026#39;s capability became. You know that he became Max Martin capability became. You know that he became Max Martin and because he was just a guy in Sweden producing great music, with a capital C capability of making pop songs, you know, and Clive Davis, when he discovered that he, as the president of Columbia Records and the founder of Arista and Jive Records, all of these subsidiaries, he had tremendous reach to both artists and their audiences. Visionary, to pair his artists with this Max Martin capability to create this capital VCR outcome of you know, all the success that Max Martin has had. And it was only through that pairing of a capital C capability with a capital R reach and a capital V vision then it all really became a big thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e This is my observation. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e This is all like live, you know developing, you know thoughts here around it, because I constantly. I run that filter constantly in background, filter constantly in background. But that VCR formula is, I think, a very relevant collaboration tool, that if people were really aware of their capabilities and had transparency to other people\u0026#39;s vision, capabilities and reach, that\u0026#39;s where the big connections happen, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think it requires a fair amount of conceptual capability that you can. You can sort of depersonalize your situation enough to understand what your capability would mean to somebody else. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd you have to have a conceptual ability to see what reach would mean. For example, I was on a podcast on Friday. I was a guest of someone who is a key player in the land development industry across the United States and he\u0026#39;s in COACH. So he asked me a lot of questions about coach and I went through and I explained. He\u0026#39;s got 10 years in coach and he talked about what each of those concepts meant to him and everything else. And then his podcast is going to go out to 5,000 key players in the land development land development business in you know probably 25 or 30 states and everything else. And so at the end he says you know, I\u0026#39;m going to send this out and I\u0026#39;ll send all the coach information, everything else. And I got off the call and I said that was easy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That was easy. Yes, that all you had to do was stay in your C lane of your capability. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I just stayed in my lane and said what we had done. And then I talked about where I thought we would be with Coach when I was 100. I\u0026#39;m 80 and Coach was 100. And that\u0026#39;s kind of a significant statement. It\u0026#39;s not the sort of thing you would hear every day from an 80-year-old of what things were going to be like when they were 100 and much bigger at 100 than at 80. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd it was really interesting, but that was like an hour middle house and you know I\u0026#39;m just talking, you know really good conversation, a lot of back and forth and you know, both of us asking the other questions and everything else and I said that\u0026#39;s pretty cool that goes out immediately to five thousand. That\u0026#39;s immediately goes out to five thousand people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh, yeah, yeah I mean that\u0026#39;s pretty mean, you know, when you think about this, so of staying in your, in your lane of that\u0026#39;s. Part of the great thing is that these things are largely plug and play, you know, like, and it happens. That\u0026#39;s why I say a multiplier. You know, with the formula vision plus capability multiplied by reach, that reach is a multiplier. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, they\u0026#39;re actually. Yeah, I think what it is that two of them are addition, but the third one\u0026#39;s a multiplier. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, that\u0026#39;s exactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e In other words, you can have vision plus reach multiplied by capability. You can have vision plus capability multiplied by capability. You can have vision and capability, vision plus capability multiplied by reach. You can have vision plus reach multiplied by yeah, yeah, yeah but, I, think it\u0026#39;s like two of them are inside of our parentheses. You have, you know yeah, then the other that\u0026#39;s multiplied by the third one. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah so it\u0026#39;s very. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m convinced it\u0026#39;s three yes From the triple play. So I\u0026#39;m thinking about a tool right now where I said who\u0026#39;s got the big idea, who\u0026#39;s got the big idea, who\u0026#39;s got the ready-to-use capability, who\u0026#39;s got the ready-to-use capability? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And who\u0026#39;s? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e got the ready-to-use reach? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, you know that\u0026#39;s fantastic. That would be a very useful tool. I think that\u0026#39;s a really useful framework for collaboration. Yeah, it fits so well with our whole free zone operating system, you know? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e yeah, because we\u0026#39;re surrounded by those those capabilities. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Everybody\u0026#39;s got a capability in the form of, uh, their self-multiplying company that they\u0026#39;ve already kind of established. To get to that point right, most people undervalue. They mostly undervalue their own capabilities and reach. They don\u0026#39;t see them as assets in most cases. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, even when they have vision, the vision isn\u0026#39;t really useful to anyone else. It\u0026#39;s only useful to them Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Vision isn\u0026#39;t really useful to anyone else. It\u0026#39;s only useful to them, right yeah? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean your vision has to have a lot of room for other people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s what. So, chad and I\u0026#39;ve been talking about this there\u0026#39;s the horizontal vision is within your own capability channel. You know they see vision, maybe within how to improve their capability, or internally. All their vision is within the walls of their own company. But where the real benefit comes is with horizontal vision. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI said vertical vision is within your own company vision. I said vertical vision is within your own company. Horizontal vision is being able to see what your capabilities paired up with, recognizing someone else\u0026#39;s vision that your capabilities could help or how someone else\u0026#39;s reach could enhance your capabilities. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know all of those that vertical or the horizontal vision is where the collaborative creativity comes yeah, yeah, there\u0026#39;s so much yeah I think you\u0026#39;re right that there\u0026#39;s, you know, articulating, the thinking tool that helps you recognize and assess what your unique probably unique ability fits within a capability right. That\u0026#39;s a thing in your organizational unique ability and your unique teamwork all fit within that capability channel. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it was really funny. I was when was it Thursday? I think I was. When was it Thursday? I think I was invited into a workshop here in Toronto and it was the lead master\u0026#39;s group. Okay, so the lead master\u0026#39;s group is the lead group of all the people who are still at the signature level after 20, 25 years. Okay, and they haven\u0026#39;t jumped to the 10 times. They haven\u0026#39;t, you know. Their next group would be 10 times. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And they\u0026#39;re a long way. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e They\u0026#39;re a long way off from free zone Anyway, but we\u0026#39;re introducing the triple play straight across the program. This quarter. So everybody\u0026#39;s getting the triple play. And there was a group, probably about 40, maybe 40 in the room and I would say, three got it, three got the triple play Understood, yeah. And they said, yeah, well, why would I do this? And I said well to differentiate yourself from everybody else. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah well, I\u0026#39;m not sure why I would do that and everything else, and so this is why I put the emphasis you have to have a conceptual ability that\u0026#39;s apart from you. You\u0026#39;re just seeing something that exists, that\u0026#39;s big and it\u0026#39;s powerful, but it exists outside of you. It\u0026#39;s not you. Somebody else\u0026#39;s capability exists outside of you. Somebody\u0026#39;s vision exists outside of you. And somebody\u0026#39;s reach exists outside of you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd you\u0026#39;ve got to be able to see this as a reality that exists in the world, whether you want to use it or not. These abilities, these capabilities, vision and reach is outside of yourself. Vision and reach is outside of yourself. And then you have to say if I\u0026#39;m going to use what other people have, how do I have to be useful to them, that they would be agreeable to that, and I think that takes a lot of conceptual ability to see how you could be useful to other people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I agree with that, that\u0026#39;s true. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think there\u0026#39;s. I mean, if you can only see within your own framework, you\u0026#39;re not going to be VCRing anything. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, exactly, you\u0026#39;re only going to be trying to increase, you know, or improve your own limited vision within your own situation and working on your own capabilities, and only with your own reach. It\u0026#39;s real. That\u0026#39;s where it\u0026#39;s like linear. That\u0026#39;s linear, yeah, and you know exponential is plugging in to ready to implement reach, vision and technology or capability. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s really funny because huh, well, yeah, it\u0026#39;s who, not how. But you have to see the who\u0026#39;s as existing, completely independent of you. They just exist. They\u0026#39;re out there, they\u0026#39;re doing their thing and they\u0026#39;re not going to be interested in you unless there\u0026#39;s a big payoff. In other words, they have to see and it was very interesting because when I talked to like first year and strategic coach, you know first or let\u0026#39;s say, signature level first or second and people will say well, you have such great people here at coach, how do you find great people? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I said you know where I live, you know I live in such and such place. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We don\u0026#39;t have great people like you find great people. And I I said you know where I live, you know I live in such and such place. We don\u0026#39;t have great people like you have great people. And I said I suspect you do have great people, they\u0026#39;re just not looking for you. Yeah right, how? How do you have to be such that other great people would be interested in you as an opportunity? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, amazing you have to have something compelling you do you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e have to have something compelling. Yeah, not convincing, but compelling. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s right, you know, shaped with a what\u0026#39;s in it for them. Yeah, viewpoint, you know that\u0026#39;s. I think Joe\u0026#39;s book is amazing to set. I can\u0026#39;t. It\u0026#39;s one of those things that I can\u0026#39;t believe nobody has written that book until now, you know. But just that whole idea of thinking about your vision, capabilities and reach from a what\u0026#39;s in it for them perspective, with other people, what you can do for other people, it\u0026#39;s almost one of those things that it\u0026#39;s so powerful. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s true. That\u0026#39;s true of all new things, though. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I can\u0026#39;t believe somebody hasn\u0026#39;t thought about this before. Uh-huh. Right right, right yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh man, that was. So there was George Carlin. He had a thing, a little you know comment where he was saying how the English language is so incredible that you\u0026#39;d think everything that\u0026#39;s possible to say has already been said, you know. But he said I\u0026#39;m going to say things tonight here that have never been spoken in the history of the world. For instance, he said hey, marge, after I finish sticking this red hot poker in my eye, I\u0026#39;m going to go out and barbecue some steaks. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNobody\u0026#39;s ever said those words in the history of the world. So it\u0026#39;s not. Everything hasn\u0026#39;t been said. I thought that was pretty funny actually. So there, yeah, Well we\u0026#39;ve spent an hour. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We did a good hour, I think so. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I always enjoy these conversations. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and. I\u0026#39;m going to, I think yeah you ought to zero in on the tools. You know that, yeah, and I\u0026#39;m going to. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think, yeah, you ought to zero in on the tool. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know that I\u0026#39;ll give some thought to it, but this is your tool, not my tool. I\u0026#39;ll give some thought to it. I love it, All right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, talk to you next week. Bye. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, bye. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In this episode of Cloudlandia, Our stories highlighted agricultural aspects of central Florida and comparisons of population densities in the U.S. and Canada. \r\n\r\nWe also reminisced on television’s evolution from shows like Romper Room to the first color programs. We reflected on limited past options versus today’s unlimited streaming and the importance of managing screen time given continual new choices. \r\n\r\nAdditionally, the discussion explored social dynamics considering Dunbar’s number theory contrasted against digital reach on platforms.\r\n\r\n","date_published":"2024-09-11T10:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/b2422dc4-144a-45e4-bb93-f16bcddf0c86.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":49590940,"duration_in_seconds":3099}]},{"id":"53720864-7f1a-400f-8dcb-f91ed2a589f3","title":"Ep131: Weathering Change and Creative Evolution","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/131","content_text":"In this episode of Cloudlandia, we explore how weather predictions and media sensationalism influence public views, especially regarding storms like impending Tropical Storm Debbie. Drawing on past hurricanes and climate patterns, we examine the normalized perceptions of living with these events. \n\nAdditionally, we delve into the evolution of creativity through technology and mind-altering substances. From early stone tools to therapeutic uses of psychotropics today, innovation is traced alongside historical cultural explosions. Comparisons are drawn between eras like the 1960s and perceptions of creativity now. \n\nThese chapters emerge from a common thread of challenging assumptions, spanning climate activism, human creative drives, and digital changes. \n\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\n\n      Dan and I discuss preparing for Tropical Storm Debbie in Florida and the normalization of living with hurricanes.\n    We delve into how media influences public perception of weather events and examine Bjorn Lomborg's critique of climate activism, discussing resilient polar bears and the myth of the Maldives sinking.\n    We explore the evolution of technology and creativity, from early stone tools to the influence of mind-altering substances on human history.\n    We question whether the creative explosion of the 1960s was an anomaly and consider if today's society is experiencing a creative drought.\n    Insights from a recent Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson podcast are shared, focusing on the impact of psychotropics on human culture and creativity.\n    The conversation transitions to the benefits of the carnivore diet and personal experiences with diet changes, including the use of air fryers for cooking meat.\n    We highlight the importance of critical thinking and self-interpretation in navigating the abundance of unfiltered information available today.\n    Platforms like Real Clear Politics and Perplexity are discussed as valuable tools for accessing diverse perspectives and balanced information.\n    We note that major corporations have yet to profit from AI investments, despite substantial funding, and discuss the potential reasons behind this trend.\n    The episode concludes with a reflection on the importance of discerning what information to allow into our thinking, emphasizing the responsibility we have in the age of information unfiltered.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean: Mr Sullivan, mr Jackson, welcome to Cloudlandia. \n\nDan: And I hope you're enjoying all the extraordinary benefits of your own four seasons. \n\nDean: I really am. We're battening down the hatches. We're just getting ready for Tropical Storm Debbie, which is making its way through the Gulf of Mexico, beating towards the coast of Florida. \n\nDan: And it's so funny, yeah, yeah. \n\nDean: So it won't be. It's apparently it's going to be a lot of rain and wind and stuff for us. You know I'm so I'm very close to the highest point in peninsular Florida, so we're not going to get flooding, we're on high dry. \n\nDan: That puts you at about 60 feet above sea level. Right, you know it's so funny. It is funny I think I can see. \n\nDean: Let's see sea level reading. There's, yeah, the highest point in. \n\nFlorida is three feet above sea level, which is Bock Tower, which you've been to, and so, yeah, so we're sitting here ready to go. But you would never know, dan, what's coming, because right now it's still. It's slightly overcast, but it's still. Yesterday was beautiful, today slightly overcast. You'd never know what was coming if it wasn't for the big. You know buzzsaw visuals in the news right now, but seeing it marking its way and with a huge, wide swath of the path of the potential storm, you know. \n\nDan: When you first moved there, did it take you a while to get to normalize the fact that, yes, we get tropical storms, we get hurricanes. \n\nDean: Yeah, Exactly Did it take you? \n\nDan: two or three times before you said oh well, I guess it's just normal. \n\nDean: It is normal, that's exactly right, and every year you know what I would say. It's so funny that there's never a year in memory that I can remember somebody saying, or the news media saying should be a light year for hurricanes, this year Doesn't sell newspaper or drink advertising. \n\nDan: I remember, after Katrina, but Katrina didn't really hit it for it. It hit Louisiana. \n\nDean: Yeah right. \n\nDan: But I remember the alarmist saying well, every year it's going to get worse. Now and then there was almost a year, maybe two years, when they didn't have any hurricanes at all. \n\nDean: Yeah, exactly that's what's so funny, right? It's like the things like you know, and it is funny how the whole, how it all has cycles you know, because California, you know, had the. You know everybody's talking about the water levels in California. Now you just it's all reported right now that you know Lake Tahoe is at the highest maximum allowable level for Ever, ever, yes, exactly, it's at its peak, it could be poor flooding. \n\nYeah, exactly, it's like 15 feet off of the highest level allowed and because of all of the snow cap melting and all the stuff. But anyway, it's just so. You know, I definitely see those. It's all part of the balance for our minds, you know yeah, it was really interesting. \n\nDan: Did you ever read bjorn lawnberg? He's, uh, danish. He started off as a you know you know a card carrying climate. You know, I don't know what you call them. I guess they're called climate activists. \n\nDean: Okay, yeah. \n\nDan: I feel that I'm very activated by the climate, so I don't know, what the distinction is there. Are you activated by the climate? I am, you know. When the climate is this way, I'm activated this way, and when the climate's a different way, I'm activated a different way. He wrote an amazing article in the Wall Street Journal. \n\nI think it was Wednesday and this past Wednesday, and he just points out that, first of all, the whole climate activism movement is an industry. There's a lot of jobs that are financed by the climate. It might be in the millions the number of people who make money off of doomsday predictions about the climate. So whenever a movement, someone once said everything starts off as a cause and it's just the people emotionally involved. In other words, they said we're not paying attention to this, we have to pay more attention to this. But then when government gets involved, it becomes a movement because large amounts of government money start flowing in a particular direction and then it becomes an industry. \n\nThe fourth stage is it becomes a racket. I think we're in the climate racket period right now. Yeah, but Bjorn Lomborg was going back to 20, 25 years ago when he had a revelation that the climate does change. But he says that's the nature of the climate. The very nature of the climate is that the climate changes. But he said the first, if you'll remember this, with Al Gore, this was right around when he lost. \n\nDean: Yeah, it was right around 2001. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, he was right after the 2000 election Right 2000 election and I suspect he needed some money. So he started the movement and he used the polar bear as an example. There was this one polar bear who was just floating on a very small ice sheet, you know. \n\nAnd they said, you know the bears will be gone within 20 years because of the warming. It turns out the population in the last 20 years has doubled. The number of polar bears has doubled, even though it's gotten warmer. According to the climate racket people, it's gotten warmer, but the polar bears, you know, have been around forever. I guess they know how to adapt to changing conditions. \n\nDean: They were all grizzly bears. \n\nDan: They were all grizzly bears at one time. I don't know if you know that. \n\nDean: I did not. That's where they started. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nThey found the white yeah, they rebranded it as polar bears, I guess extended their territory and that was it, so they've doubled since Al Gore's warning. And then the other thing was that the let's see, there's two more. Well, I'll mention number three. Number three is that all the low islands in the Indian Ocean were going to sink below sea level. The sea level was going to flood the Maldives and some of the other things, and for the most part, all of them have expanded their landmass in the last 20 years. They've actually gotten bigger. They've increased their height above sea level by possibly six inches. \n\nDean: Oh man. \n\nDan: You'd appreciate that. Living in Florida, so it hasn't happened. The other one was the deaths from warming. Last year in the United States I don't know if it was last year or the year before, I don't know if it was last year or the year before 25 times more people died of extreme cold than died of extreme heat. So if you're a betting man, I call it the Gore factor, that if Al Gore says something, bet the other way. \n\nDean: Ah right. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, this is you know. \n\nDean: The man is impossibly rich because of his creating a movement, creating an industry, and now it's a racket. Yeah, I mean, it's amazing how invisible he is now. I mean he really is like I haven't seen or heard anything from Al Gore. I can't remember the last time. \n\nDan: Well, it's passive income now. \n\nDean: Right, just stay quiet, stay low. \n\nDan: Just stay quiet, just stay quiet. The dollars just keep rolling in yeah, yeah. But it's interesting. My suspicion is I've been thinking about this because I'm writing my next quarterly book. We just wrapped up Casting Not Hiring, which will come out in September this one with Jeff Madoff, this one with Jeff and it really really worked. This book really worked the Casting Not Hiring but the next one is going to be called Timeless. \n\nTechnology, and the idea here is that technology is a way of thinking. It's not so much particular technology, but it's a way, and my been that it's actually one of the crucial factors. Technological thinking is one of the crucial factors that differentiates humans from the other species, and what I mean by that it's the intentional and yet unpredictable utilizing stuff from our environment to enhance our capabilities. \n\nDean: And. \n\nDan: I did a search on perplexity what would be reckoned from perplexity doing a search of what would be sort of the 10 early breakthroughs, the technological breakthroughs, and one of them was just stones that you could throw. You could pick up a stone and throw it and it actually changed how the human body evolved. Is that the ability of using our hand and our arm and getting that tremendous arm strength that you can throw a stone and, you know, kill something. Right Kill an animal or kill it. Kill another human yeah, and everything. \n\nDean: I wonder even about that, the evolution of technology, like that, like thinking a rock and then realize that, hey, if I just chisel this away now I make this sharp on this end. \n\nDan: And now all of a sudden we got an axe, you know yeah, and then actually they think that glue was an early adaption, that you could take sticks and stones and put them together. You could glue things together and you could actually. So they looked for probably really sticky saps or something from trees you know that they would use. Then pottery, of course, and it's interesting with pottery that the very earliest samples that we have. \n\nclearly they took clay and made it into some sort of cup or yeah, a bowl of some sort, but whenever they find it and it goes back hundreds of thousands of years they can detect alcohol. They can detect that there was alcohol, which kind of shows you how early that must have been. Consciousness transformer that's what I call alcohol. It's a consciousness transformer, would you not say? \n\nDean: Yeah, I mean I was listening to Joe Rogan. I had Jordan Peterson on his podcast just recently. \n\nDan: That's a good podcast partnership. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, and he was talking about the, you know psychotropics and the things that are. You know that psilocybin and all the all of those things, marijuana was all what was sort of responsible for the revolutionary change that happened. You know the difference from the fifties to the sixties and his thing was, you know, in the mid to late 60s. You know that's what started the whole. Every single one of those things was made schedule one, narcotic and illegal and completely controlled right, and that his thing is that we haven't seen anything revolutionary, like any kind of change happening from since then, since the 60s, into now. \n\nDan: Which kind of indicates that it's good enough? \n\nDean: Well, it's just kind of funny. You know, like that, you wonder what the you know where he was kind of going with that, but he was using as an example like the creativity in the 60s, like he talked about the difference of the car. \n\nEven the cars and the things, the designs of things that were being made in the 60s are iconic and desirable and different than, like you compared to, you know, a camaro or the muscle car, this, the corvette, and the things in the 60s compared to like nobody wants your 19 camaro. That's not desirable at all, not in the the way that the 60s, Except maybe NASCAR. \n\nDan: Except NASCAR, I think Camaros have a very niche use because they're really souped up. Mark Young, his team has won. At the latest count, his team had won three races this year so far. Discount this team had won three races this year so far and he was talking about it at the podcast dinner that we had after doing the podcast, the four-person podcast. \n\nBut Camaros always play a very active role. They establish themselves as this amazing niche, you know, souped up, NASCAR type of car. But I really take what you're saying there that there's been no blockbuster new designs of cars that have really you know that you think that they'll still be around. In other words, these are real breakthrough cars. Yeah, Just going a little deeper into the Joe Rogan, Peterson, the Jordan. \n\nDean: Peterson conversation. \n\nDan: Did they go any deeper into why the creativity was then? But the creativity hasn't gone any further. \n\nDean: Well, I think it was Joe's sort of. You know, I'm halfway through the podcast right now, but his basic assertion was that those access to those drugs or those not I will call I use the word drugs those, those we could say technologies are new. Access to those things opened up the part of the brain that is creative linkers, like that that's really they're saying all the way back, like going, if you take it all the way back evolutionarily, that they believe, like what you just said, back in, as far back as they go, there's access. You know they're seeing alcohol in, yeah, as mind-altering things. They would revere mushrooms, mushrooms were abundant and things that were mind-altering. And you think through all of these things, even in Indian or Native lore, that the peyote and the things that were, that part of a trip out of reality is a rite of passage or a thing that activates another part of your brain. You know, makes the connections that aren't otherwise accessible. \n\nDan: Yeah, I'm totally, you know, I'm convinced that's probably true. \n\nDean: And I think that we're starting to see now that these hallucinogenic what do we call it? Not hallucinogenics, but psychotropics. What's the right word for? \n\nDan: it Psychotropic, I think. \n\nDean: Yeah, so whatever now in treatment of PTSD and addiction and all of these beneficial things that are coming as part of using it therapeutically and but because it's just now starting to become more accessible or more active, it used to be like you've always heard we you and I both know a lot of people that have gone down the Iowa or the you know version and have had, you know, all sort of mind altering experiences doing that. I've never done it, yeah. \n\nDan: I mean, I mean, it was very interesting. I was at Richard Rossi's Da Vinci 50. This was the last one I was I think it was february and scottsdale and two or three there. We had two or three coach clients there who were just doing a look. \n\nSee, you know if they wanted to join the previewing and they were having a conversation about psychotropic drugs and they asked me if I had experimented and I said you mean, right beyond dealing with my own brain every day? You mean I said I have to tell you I don't have time for that stuff. Just dealing with my own brain every day is sure, you know, it's a full-time job. You know, because it's switching, it's switching channels continually and it takes a full-time job. You know, because it's switching channels continually and it takes a lot of work to get it focused on something useful. Yeah, I just wonder about that because it's when one of the political parties went really strange. I noticed the Democrats, since, well, kamala seems to me to be a sympathetic candidate for the president. \n\nDean: Unbelievable, this is all craziness. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, but they're using the word weird to describe the Republicans. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: If there was ever a weird party. I mean, this is sheer projection, this is psychological projection. You know of weird, you know. \n\nDean: Yeah, but it's amazing. \n\nDan: That's when the Democratic Party changed, and it changed quite radically. I remember speaking about you know, psychedelics. I was in the army in Korea for two years. Us Army. \n\nDean: And. \n\nDan: I came back to the West Coast. When we flew back, we went into Seattle. I had a brother who was a professor at University of San Francisco, so I took a jump down to San Francisco before I flew back to my home in Ohio and he said I'm going to show you something really interesting. And he took me to Haight-Ashbury. This is the summer that Haight-Ashbury, San Francisco, became really famous and it was the beginning of the whole hippie movement. And he walked me around and I could tell by interacting with him that he wasn't just an observer, you know that, he was actually a participant. \n\nAnd he didn't do him any good, because he eventually dropped out of, you know, being a professor and became more or less a vagrant. \n\nDean: Tune in turn on drop out. \n\nDan: Yeah well, he dropped out. He dropped out and then, about I would say, 12 years later, he committed suicide. Oh, no, and yeah, I mean, he's the one real casualty in my family. But I remember him how unreal his conversations were starting to become when I talked to him about this. You know this, and he was never and he was very smart. He was very smart I mean before that he was very bright and he was sort of practical and he became a professor, a university professor. \n\nDean: That says something right there. Yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah and anyway. But that was my first awareness, that was my first introduction to it. I mean, I mean I didn't drink alcohol until I was 27 years old. I never drank until I was 27. Wow, I'll have a glass of wine, that I'll do anything, but I've never I've never actually enjoyed. I had pot a couple of times back in the early 60s, 70s and I found it disconnected me from other people. Alcohol does just the opposite. Alcohol kind of connects you. It does just the opposite. It kind of disconnects you and so it's very definitely. \n\nit's a reality since that period of time. But the one thing I want to say is that there's a really interesting thing the Democratic Party, up until the late 60s, was the party of the working class you know, working class, blue collar workers, and they had a real disaster in 1968 because they had huge riots in Chicago. \n\nSo it's interesting In two weeks they'll be in Chicago and I think they've done one previous convention in Chicago. I think one of Obama's conventions was in Chicago. But anyway, they made a decision that they were no longer the working class and I think it was the result of all the tremendous growth of the student population as a result of the baby boomer generation. So between between, I think, 1940s, when the baby boomer generation starts to 64. Ok, and that would be 18 years there were I think it was, I don't know the exact number, but there was like 75 million babies who were born during that period and the front end of them were going to university in the 60s boomer generation. And so they saw the party start looking. \n\nWell, these are our future voters. They're not blue collar workers, they're college students and graduates and professors, and then the entire new working cadre. They're all going to be professionals. They're going to be professionals. And they changed their entire focus in 1960. I think it was in 1969 or 70. George McGovern, who was a senator at that time, did a commission and said we're no longer the party of the working class. \n\nAnd and so they're not, you know, 65 years later. And it's funny because the Republicans were always considered sort of the Pluto class, they were the class of the rich people, and now they've just shipped positions. So 60 years later, it's the billionaires and it's the college professors and media people and the bureaucratic class the government bureaucrats they're the Democrats. And the working class class the government bureaucrats they're the Democrats and the working class is the Republicans. \n\nDean: Yeah, the Midwestern. Yeah, that's true, yeah yeah, yeah yeah. \n\nDan: And Trump is the working class billionaire. \n\nDean: Yes, that's true. \n\nI wanted to say it is kind of I'll use the word weird. What is kind of weird about this increased use of the word weird to describe the Republicans now is that it's so widespread. It's like the it's the Democratic talking point now. Like I love the videos now that kind of expose, the, you know, the Democrat party line sort of thing, and it happens on both sides actually. But I mean this idea of that, you know, with the media, all the soundbites are, you know, planting that thought that Republicans are weird, that this is weird. \n\nDan: They're testing it. It's just that it's. I think it's hard for them to say it plausibly. There's no traditional values that the Democrats represent. Yeah, but it's interesting. And now I'm especially interested in your Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson podcast. \n\nDean: And I'm going to watch that after. \n\nDan: Watch that and Jordan Peterson I think I mean the two people together is a very interesting partnership for a podcast, because I think Jordan Peterson is, you know, came out of the university class. He was a professor here in Toronto and where he became. He became very famous for his book, which was basically very popular Rules for life you know, like before you leave your bedroom in the morning, make your bed and, yeah, stand up straight. \n\nYou know, stand up straight and when you visit with your, your friends and meet their parents, be the sort of person that their parents would like to have come back as a guest. Pretty basic, fundamental rules of life. But then he really became infamous, if you want to call it that here in Toronto, because he had a real objection to the whole university class saying that people could be whatever gender they wanted to be, and they could self-identify, and they were opposed to the he and her or he and she thing, and he said no, he said I'm not going to do that. \n\nHe said if it's a female, I'm going to call her she. And they said oh, this is an attack. This is an attack on equality. This is an attack on diversity. This is an attack on inclusion. So he became very famous and it actually ultimately had forced him his hand to leave the university. He was called up and they said we're going to take away your professional degree and everything like that. Right, right, okay, which you know. I think there's something weird about that. \n\nDean: I mean just my own opinion here, but yeah and I think Joe knows him. \n\nDan: I think he's had Joe's had conversations. Joe Polish has had conversations with Jordan Peele. But all his videos where he's being interviewed by people who obviously don't like him, he comes off really well. He comes off as the sort of sane, rational person in all the you know, in all his interviews. I enjoy watching him. He strikes me as being kind of on the depressed side. You know he seems not to. I think he's a psychologist. I think that by training. \n\nAnd anyway, but I think it's interesting because this all started with the conversation of alcohol on the ancient pottery. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: You know our thing here, but I think that probably throughout history, generation by generation, place after place, they found substances which can alter their consciousness, and I think it's probably been with human beings forever. \n\nDean: Yeah, these whole. You're absolutely right, that whole yeah. \n\nDan: It's not as good as steak for breakfast. \n\nDean: No, I'll tell you what Dan. \n\nDan: I have Steak for breakfast. Steak for breakfast. I just started it 12 days ago and it makes a big difference. \n\nDean: You've started Carnivore. \n\nDan: Well, not Carnivore, but I just don't have Cheerios for breakfast. \n\nDean: Ah, right, right, Protein for breakfast. Yeah, I've been this week has been because I've been leaning more and more, as you know, working with jj on prioritizing pro no, babs was telling me about your call, abs was telling me about your call yesterday yeah and your air dryer. \n\nDan: Your air, my air fryer. \n\nDean: Yeah, and I'll tell you your air fryer and I made yesterday, yesterday for the first time, the most amazing ribeye in the air fryer. That was so juicy and delicious it was and so easy. I mean literally. I took the ribeye, I put salt and pepper and just a little bit. \n\nDan: Yes, came out just like so your adventures get around you. Now I know, yeah, you're absolutely right. \n\nDean: But I mean that's just, it's so good, who knew? \n\nDan: Yeah, I mean yeah, it was I texted that. \n\nDean: Well, we've got the whole. I'm very fortunate that you see second hand through, babs, but you know there's been a real support network, a gathering of what we're lovingly calling Team Dean on a text thread, and so I texted a picture of that last night to the group. \n\nDan: Let's keep Dean in the mainland for a while, right? \n\nDean: We don't want him drifting off into Glanlandia for eternity At least until we can get my mind melded up there somehow, right, but this week has been a breakthrough. Like this week I've been, this is the first week of full carnivore, like only meat. Oh so I started on Monday and it's been, you know, an interesting thing. But I had my highest weight loss week since we've been doing this by by this and I actually feel great. It took a couple of days to kind of get through the Van Allen belt of carbohydrate craving, you know. But now that I'm in, I'm through, I'm out of the atmosphere, I'm kind of floating that I think I can do this, you know, perpetually here for a while, and one of the reasons yeah, yeah Well. \n\nDan: yeah well, I mean you talk about the air fryer, but there's a direct connection between the management of fire and your air fryer. \n\nyou know, I mean hundreds of thousands of years and the human, the first humans who got a handle on fire. You know, it happened, probably accidentally, it was a lightning strike or something. But then they began to realize once we have fire, let's find a way of keeping it going. So we have access and that was a huge jump, because eating raw meat almost uses as many calories as you're getting from the meat, In other words you really have to work to digest. \n\nLet's call it steak. You know the steak. It takes a lot of calories to digest it. You really have to work to digest it but once they added fire to the mix and you could cook the food it made it much easier to digest and you got your calories much easier, yeah, but the other thing is that it's filling it's very filling, I mean the more carnivore you are, the less you're attracted to the sugar. That's the truth, easy caps. I mean, I don't feel particularly hungry. \n\nI had breakfast around 8 o'clock this morning Steak. I have steak and avocado. Okay, it's ribeye, but we're going to get. As a result of your yesterday information, babs is going to get an air fryer. We're going to get an air fryer, and then Stephen Poulter had even more. \n\nDean: I saw that. He put up a fancy thing, exotic thing you would know that Stephen tracked it down, because that's what Stephen does. \n\nDan: Yeah, but it's very interesting this getting enough calories to do interesting mind work. It's about if you're going to. I read a report that one of the great advantages of North America is right from the beginning. Right from when the first people came to the East Coast, they had a lot of protein right from the beginning. \n\nThere was lots of game. There was lots of fish, you know. They had a lot of game and Americans have. Except for two periods of history, during the Revolutionary War and, I think, great Depression, americans have always had as many calories as they wanted. But there's a reading that high-level mental work requires roughly, you know, in the neighborhood of above 2,000 calories a day. You have to have 2,000 calories to be doing mental work. \n\nDean: That's interesting. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah. And North America, the US and Canada have always had enormous amount of calories, protein calories, you know. So you can do hard labor, you can do high level of mental work. Makes for an industrious, you know, makes for an industrious population. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, that's really you know. Jordan Peterson has been carnivore for five years. \n\nDan: He's been carnivore for five years, yeah to save his life really. \n\nDean: Right. \n\nDan: And he mentioned that. \n\nDean: you know he looks at when the that everything got shifted when they came out with the food pyramid in the 70s, that was not by any nutritionist but by the agriculture department to get people getting grains and breads and stuff as the foundation of a healthy lifestyle, healthy nutrition plan. \n\nDan: That sounds like a four-stage cause movement, industry, racket. Racket yeah, I think it's now at the racket stage yeah, you know I mean halfway when we go. We were at the cottage for the last two weeks and halfway to the cottage is tim hortons. Tim hortons, okay, and I will tell you, based on your present heading in life, dean, you've probably been to your last Tim Hortons, because there's nothing in there that's actually good for you. \n\nDean: Right, right, right, right. Yeah, that's true, isn't it? \n\nDan: I mean that's something I call it Tim Hortons, where white people go to get whiter. \n\nDean: Oh man, Do you go up 400 when you go to the cottage, Like do you go past? No, we go 404. \n\nDan: We go 404. \n\nDean: Okay, so you don't go by Weber's. \n\nDan: No, weber's is good, weber's is a high-protein, but that's what I mean. You don't pass that on your way to your cottage. \n\nDean: You're one freeway over on your way to york, got it, you're one. We go one freeway over right, right, right. Yeah, I got it. Yeah, that's interesting, but that you know there's a great example what a canadian institution you know tim horton's corner, really it's, uh, it's funny, yeah, but I had a thought about, you know, jordan Peterson being. You know like I think that where the revolution has really discussion of is this the best of times or the worst of times? My thought was that the battle for our minds is the thing. \n\nYes, you're absolutely right, but just like cancel culture, I think we're in a period where our access to more information that's not being just packaged and filtered for us. \n\nWe have access to unfilled information, and I think that you're seeing a resurgence, that we're moving towards in big swaths of categories, that the consensus, things that actually make a difference, and that we have access to more and more people who can do that, plus the diagnostic tools that we have support and show which methodologies are the most. And we're starting to see that in. You know, just like cancel culture was able to, the reason that we brought on cancel culture is that the consensus we were able to, everything was being exposed. You know that more people had a voice to say to, to the checks and balances kind of thing of being observed, and that when people find out things, you know you've got access to that. So I see things like nutrition, like it's like I'm noticing a trending, you know, more examination of christ, of Christianity as a thing that's becoming more mainstream as well, and that's just an observation of you know, seeing all these things. You know. \n\nDan: yeah, One of the things that's really interesting is the variety of choices that you can make that actually cancel out a whole other part of where the information or news is coming out. \n\nYou know, for example, I haven't as I mentioned, I haven't watched television at all for now more than six years, and so what ABC thinks, what CBS thinks, what NBC thinks, what NPR, public television, msnbc, cnn think about anything I'm not the target here anymore because I don't know what they're saying about anything but I found all sorts of sites on the internet that I find really interesting. Real Clear Politics is my go-to. First thing in the morning I always look at Real Clear Politics, and what they do is they just aggregate headlines for the entire spectrum. So if you want to go to all the other sites, you can go there. But what they find, you know. I find that they're making pretty widespread choices of what goes on there. In other words, if you're left wing politically, you'll find articles on RealClearPolitics. If you're right wing, you'll find real clear. But one of the things I find really interesting is when they mentioned the most popular articles for the last seven days, for the last 24 hours. They're all right wing, they're not left wing. So interesting. \n\nAlthough, yeah, I've never seen a left wing article be most watched or most read during the last seven days or the last 24 hours. They're all using the definitions of what would be left-wing or right-wing in today's setting. So it means that the people who are going to RealClearPolitics are mainly right-wing and they're interested in knowing what the left is saying, wayne, and they're interested in knowing what the left is saying, but they're not really. They're not really reinforcing themselves with the articles. \n\nI mean a and you can tell just by the nature of the headline, which where the bias is whether it's left or right and in any way. And but the interesting thing is how much I'm using perplexity now. \n\nDean: Me too. \n\nDan: Yeah, and I just got this format Tell me the 10 most important aspects of this particular topic. Five seconds later, I got the 10. And what I find is it's having an effect on my mind that there's never one reason for anything. There's always. I mean, I use 10 reasons, but if I did 20, they could probably do 20, you know but what it does? It gives you a more balanced sense of what's true, okay, but I've discovered this on myself. \n\nI mean, if you talk to 100 people, maybe three of them are using perplexity and perplexity. You know I may. I know there's other sites but it does for me what I want it to do. It gives me a background to think about things, and is that? What you're talking about is non-controlled? \n\nDean: Because it's my question. Yeah, like that's what I think is that we've got access. \n\nDan: It's my probes my probes that are revealing the information. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: No one is packaging this for me. It's that I'm asking clarify me on this particular subject and bang you know within a matter of seconds I have clarification. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: Is that what you're saying here? \n\nDean: and I, but I think that the onus is on us to do our own interpretation and, you know, measuring whether this fits with what we think. Whereas, you know, we were sort of when we were exposed to information like all of our whole adult lives, up until the last say, you know, 10 years has really been filtered through the lenses of the mainstream media, like I think about curators, often curators, curators. \n\nYeah, they were the curators. Yeah, or the guardians, local minority. You remember, I mean, even in the closest thing was I remember when City TV came out with Speaker's Corner. \n\nDan: You remember that they would have a little booth set up and you could go in and speak your mind. \n\nDean: Yeah you could go in and speak your mind and that's how you got to think, see what other people were thinking. Otherwise, you had to go to Young and Dundas and you know, on the corner there and hear everybody up on their soapbox or whatever it was. That's always been. You know, that's kind of where everybody's megaphone now is. You don't have to go out to the corner where all the people are. You can sit in your basement and you've got a megaphone to the whole world. \n\nDan: Yeah, you know, this probably helps explain something. I read an article Friday, I downloaded it and I read it about three or four times, and that is that none of the big corporations are making any money on AI. Right, they're investing enormously in it, but they're not making any money on it, and I think the reason is that it wasn't designed for them. \n\nDean: Ah right. \n\nDan: It was designed for individuals to do whatever the hell they wanted to do. And if anything, it works against the corporations, because if people are using AI to pursue their own interests, that means it's time and attention that they're not giving to the corporations. Yeah, yes. \n\nDean: And I would say there's a real panic. \n\nDan: I would say there's a real panic setting in, because it's when ChatGPT came out. Everybody said, oh, now this is going to enhance our ability to get our message across. Well, that's only true if people are paying attention. But what if the impact of AI is actually to take people's attention away from you? \n\nDean: Yeah, it is changing so much. So I mean yeah, it is changing so much, you know. \n\nDan: I mean. Dean if you're going carnivore, Tim Hortons' messaging isn't getting to you. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: I mean All that money they're spending on Tim Hortons' advertising is wasted money on you. Wasted on me. \n\nDean: That's exactly it. Yeah, it's so amazing how to waste your money on Dean Jack. \n\nDan: How to waste your money on Dean Jack. How to waste your money on Dean Jack Uh-huh. \n\nDean: Man so funny. Well, yeah, I should. This would be great, though, to get a. You know, start spreading the word about the air fryer. Get an air fryer deal. I mean, the salmon and the steak are amazing. \n\nDan: And apparently JJ thinks pork chops are good. That's right. So you got the whole good. That's right, exactly. \n\nDean: So you got the whole scoop. \n\nDan: I love it that you've got a buffer between you and the technology. Well, she controls the checkbook, so she might as well get the information, because she controls the checks. Yes, and Babs has been my authority on eating since I've met her. I mean that's one of the great benefits of being in relation she's always been good about that. You know, my life is two parts, before Babs and after Babs. \n\nDean: Yeah, I know Absolutely. I'm much healthier since I've met her. \n\nDan: I'm much healthier since I met her. Yeah, Anyway, yeah, but it's really interesting. You know that what you're introducing here to the Cloudlandia conversation is that we now have the opportunity to be much more discerning than we were before. \n\nDean: Yeah, we have not only the opportunity but the responsibility, and that's what I think we wrestle with is that we can't just take all of the information and take it at face value to realize that that there's a level of building your own internal filters. Timeless Technology is that we're looking for advantage. \n\nDan: That's what. \n\nI established right at the beginning is that you're looking for an advantage that, for a while, other people don't have, because that improves your status. That improves your status that you have an advantage, and it creates inequality. One of the things that people don't realize is that every time you create a new advantage, it creates inequality in your surrounding area, okay, and then other people have to respond to that, either by using your advantage, like imitating your advantage, or they canitating your advantage, or they can create their own advantage, or they can try to stop you from having your advantage, and I think that depends on your framework. So I think a lot of cancel culture is people not wanting you to have that advantage, so they won't let you talk about it, they won't let you do certain things and I think the cancel culture has probably been there right from the beginning, it just takes different forms. \n\nShe's a witch, yeah, yeah, there's a witch, yeah, yeah. Can I tell you something about? That the salem, and also the ones that happened in Europe the witch thing, was. It was moldy grain, so usually the witch seasons happen to do happen when there was a lot of rain. Okay, and the grains got moldy and my sense is they created, they created, and so that a lot of the Fermenting. Yeah, there was a fermentation, but also it drove people a little bit crazy and there's a lot of investigation now of the which periods. \n\nDean: Okay, salem is the most famous US. \n\nDan: But it didn't happen. It didn't except for Salem Massachusetts. But they had several really wet seasons where the grain got moldy and my sense is that people were getting fermented grain on a daily basis and it drove me kind of crazy, yeah that made him weird. \n\nDean: Weird it made him weird. I saw james carville. James carville said that the democrats should stop saying they're weird and start calling them creeps. Weird Weird is creeps as a label. They're creeps, you know yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: I think it's funny to see. I would love to hear. \n\nDean: I'd love to hear a podcast or a panel interview between you. Know, luntz the. I forget what his first name is Jeffrey Luntz? Is it the Republican wordsmith guy? I think it's Jeffrey. \n\nDan: Luntz, I don't know him oh. \n\nDean: Luntz yeah. \n\nDan: Jeffrey Luntz. He's the one who does the panel discussions, that's right. \n\nDean: And he gets the messaging, for he's the Republican wordsmith and James Carville is essentially that for the Democrats. I'd love to hear that. \n\nDan: Yeah, I think James Carville is essentially that for the Democrats. I'd love to hear that. \n\nDean: Yeah, I think James Carville is now. He's like the crazy ant upstairs. Yeah, I think so. Right, right, right. \n\nDan: Because the last couple of weeks he said you know you better get over this mania real fast that you're having with Kamala Harris and he says, because he said you have no idea what's coming back against you. It'll take the Republicans three or four weeks to figure out what the target is here, and he says you better get over this real fast. He says it's going to be incredibly hard work over the next three months to get to the election, make sure your grains are dry here, don't get that fermented grain brain. \n\nMake sure your powder is dry too. Yeah, yeah, but it's an interesting thesis. This is where we've added a new dimension to Cloudlandia the psychotropic part of Cloudlandia yeah, I agree. \n\nDean: There was a. \n\nDan: Greek player, one of the Greek writers, playwrights. He talked about a place called Cloud Cuckoo Land. \n\nDean: Okay, that's funny. \n\nDan: Yeah, and he was talking about people who would just go off and make up new stuff and everything like that had no basis in current reality and he called it cloud cuckoo land. You know well, you know we've had a lot of that over the last 50 or 60 years yeah, I think what we're really introducing. \n\nDean: Dan is the intersection you know the venn diagram of the mainland cloudlandia and Danlandia or Deanlandia. That's the one that we can actually control. Is Danlandia, yeah. \n\nDan: Well, the big thing is, if you truly want to be a uniquely creative individual today, the resources are available for you to do it. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: But you got to be really discerning about what gets allowed in across the borders into your thinking that's it exactly. \n\nDean: Yeah, All right Dan. \n\nDan: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I have to jump too. One thing about it is I'm going to watch that Joe Rogan church because I think that's interesting. \n\nDean: I have to watch that Joe Rogan George because I think that's interesting. \n\nDan: I have to laugh when Joe Rogan had. \n\nDean: Peter Zion for a loop. \n\nDan: I've never seen Joe Rogan thrown so much for a loop, because Peter Zion is nothing if not confident about his point of view. I mean, he's a very confident guy about his point of view and Joe wasn't ready for it and about every you know, every 90 seconds he said holy cow, oh wow. Oh yeah. \n\nDean: Oh, I got to watch that one too, jesus Christ yeah. \n\nDan: And you can see Joe sitting there. He said yeah he said next time I have this guy on no pot for 24 hours beforehand. This is moving, this is moving. I'm too slow here. I can't keep up with this you know, Peter Zion is like a jackhammer when he starts going you know he does a whack, whack, whack. Yeah, that would be Actually Jordan Peterson and Peter Zion would be an interesting one. Two brains, yeah, yeah, for sure. Maybe Elon Musk as a third person, jordan Peterson and Peter Zion would be an interesting one. \n\nMm-hmm, Two brains yeah yeah for sure, Maybe Elon Musk as a third person. \n\nDean: Imagine a panel. Yeah, exactly, there was a great. There was a show called Dinner for Five and it was a. It was an entertainment like movie one, where they'd have different directors and actors at dinner, just a mix of people and having just recording their conversation. No real thing. Jon Favreau did that show it was really great. \n\nDan: No curating really. Yeah, anyway. \n\nDean: Okay Dan. \n\nDan: Very entertaining. We'll be here next week, yes, I always enjoy these. \n\nDean: They go so fast. Yeah, thanks a lot. Okay, thanks, dan, I'll talk to you soon. Bye. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn this episode of Cloudlandia, we explore how weather predictions and media sensationalism influence public views, especially regarding storms like impending Tropical Storm Debbie. Drawing on past hurricanes and climate patterns, we examine the normalized perceptions of living with these events. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAdditionally, we delve into the evolution of creativity through technology and mind-altering substances. From early stone tools to therapeutic uses of psychotropics today, innovation is traced alongside historical cultural explosions. Comparisons are drawn between eras like the 1960s and perceptions of creativity now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThese chapters emerge from a common thread of challenging assumptions, spanning climate activism, human creative drives, and digital changes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul style=\"list-style-type: circle;\"\u003e\n\u003c/center\u003e\n      \u003cli\u003eDan and I discuss preparing for Tropical Storm Debbie in Florida and the normalization of living with hurricanes.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe delve into how media influences public perception of weather events and examine Bjorn Lomborg's critique of climate activism, discussing resilient polar bears and the myth of the Maldives sinking.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe explore the evolution of technology and creativity, from early stone tools to the influence of mind-altering substances on human history.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe question whether the creative explosion of the 1960s was an anomaly and consider if today's society is experiencing a creative drought.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eInsights from a recent Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson podcast are shared, focusing on the impact of psychotropics on human culture and creativity.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eThe conversation transitions to the benefits of the carnivore diet and personal experiences with diet changes, including the use of air fryers for cooking meat.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe highlight the importance of critical thinking and self-interpretation in navigating the abundance of unfiltered information available today.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003ePlatforms like Real Clear Politics and Perplexity are discussed as valuable tools for accessing diverse perspectives and balanced information.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe note that major corporations have yet to profit from AI investments, despite substantial funding, and discuss the potential reasons behind this trend.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eThe episode concludes with a reflection on the importance of discerning what information to allow into our thinking, emphasizing the responsibility we have in the age of information unfiltered.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Sullivan, mr Jackson, welcome to Cloudlandia. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I hope you\u0026#39;re enjoying all the extraordinary benefits of your own four seasons. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I really am. We\u0026#39;re battening down the hatches. We\u0026#39;re just getting ready for Tropical Storm Debbie, which is making its way through the Gulf of Mexico, beating towards the coast of Florida. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And it\u0026#39;s so funny, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So it won\u0026#39;t be. It\u0026#39;s apparently it\u0026#39;s going to be a lot of rain and wind and stuff for us. You know I\u0026#39;m so I\u0026#39;m very close to the highest point in peninsular Florida, so we\u0026#39;re not going to get flooding, we\u0026#39;re on high dry. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That puts you at about 60 feet above sea level. Right, you know it\u0026#39;s so funny. It is funny I think I can see. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Let\u0026#39;s see sea level reading. There\u0026#39;s, yeah, the highest point in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eFlorida is three feet above sea level, which is Bock Tower, which you\u0026#39;ve been to, and so, yeah, so we\u0026#39;re sitting here ready to go. But you would never know, dan, what\u0026#39;s coming, because right now it\u0026#39;s still. It\u0026#39;s slightly overcast, but it\u0026#39;s still. Yesterday was beautiful, today slightly overcast. You\u0026#39;d never know what was coming if it wasn\u0026#39;t for the big. You know buzzsaw visuals in the news right now, but seeing it marking its way and with a huge, wide swath of the path of the potential storm, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e When you first moved there, did it take you a while to get to normalize the fact that, yes, we get tropical storms, we get hurricanes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, Exactly Did it take you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e two or three times before you said oh well, I guess it\u0026#39;s just normal. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It is normal, that\u0026#39;s exactly right, and every year you know what I would say. It\u0026#39;s so funny that there\u0026#39;s never a year in memory that I can remember somebody saying, or the news media saying should be a light year for hurricanes, this year Doesn\u0026#39;t sell newspaper or drink advertising. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I remember, after Katrina, but Katrina didn\u0026#39;t really hit it for it. It hit Louisiana. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But I remember the alarmist saying well, every year it\u0026#39;s going to get worse. Now and then there was almost a year, maybe two years, when they didn\u0026#39;t have any hurricanes at all. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, exactly that\u0026#39;s what\u0026#39;s so funny, right? It\u0026#39;s like the things like you know, and it is funny how the whole, how it all has cycles you know, because California, you know, had the. You know everybody\u0026#39;s talking about the water levels in California. Now you just it\u0026#39;s all reported right now that you know Lake Tahoe is at the highest maximum allowable level for Ever, ever, yes, exactly, it\u0026#39;s at its peak, it could be poor flooding. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, exactly, it\u0026#39;s like 15 feet off of the highest level allowed and because of all of the snow cap melting and all the stuff. But anyway, it\u0026#39;s just so. You know, I definitely see those. It\u0026#39;s all part of the balance for our minds, you know yeah, it was really interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you ever read bjorn lawnberg? He\u0026#39;s, uh, danish. He started off as a you know you know a card carrying climate. You know, I don\u0026#39;t know what you call them. I guess they\u0026#39;re called climate activists. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I feel that I\u0026#39;m very activated by the climate, so I don\u0026#39;t know, what the distinction is there. Are you activated by the climate? I am, you know. When the climate is this way, I\u0026#39;m activated this way, and when the climate\u0026#39;s a different way, I\u0026#39;m activated a different way. He wrote an amazing article in the Wall Street Journal. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI think it was Wednesday and this past Wednesday, and he just points out that, first of all, the whole climate activism movement is an industry. There\u0026#39;s a lot of jobs that are financed by the climate. It might be in the millions the number of people who make money off of doomsday predictions about the climate. So whenever a movement, someone once said everything starts off as a cause and it\u0026#39;s just the people emotionally involved. In other words, they said we\u0026#39;re not paying attention to this, we have to pay more attention to this. But then when government gets involved, it becomes a movement because large amounts of government money start flowing in a particular direction and then it becomes an industry. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe fourth stage is it becomes a racket. I think we\u0026#39;re in the climate racket period right now. Yeah, but Bjorn Lomborg was going back to 20, 25 years ago when he had a revelation that the climate does change. But he says that\u0026#39;s the nature of the climate. The very nature of the climate is that the climate changes. But he said the first, if you\u0026#39;ll remember this, with Al Gore, this was right around when he lost. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it was right around 2001. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, he was right after the 2000 election Right 2000 election and I suspect he needed some money. So he started the movement and he used the polar bear as an example. There was this one polar bear who was just floating on a very small ice sheet, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd they said, you know the bears will be gone within 20 years because of the warming. It turns out the population in the last 20 years has doubled. The number of polar bears has doubled, even though it\u0026#39;s gotten warmer. According to the climate racket people, it\u0026#39;s gotten warmer, but the polar bears, you know, have been around forever. I guess they know how to adapt to changing conditions. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e They were all grizzly bears. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They were all grizzly bears at one time. I don\u0026#39;t know if you know that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I did not. That\u0026#39;s where they started. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey found the white yeah, they rebranded it as polar bears, I guess extended their territory and that was it, so they\u0026#39;ve doubled since Al Gore\u0026#39;s warning. And then the other thing was that the let\u0026#39;s see, there\u0026#39;s two more. Well, I\u0026#39;ll mention number three. Number three is that all the low islands in the Indian Ocean were going to sink below sea level. The sea level was going to flood the Maldives and some of the other things, and for the most part, all of them have expanded their landmass in the last 20 years. They\u0026#39;ve actually gotten bigger. They\u0026#39;ve increased their height above sea level by possibly six inches. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh man. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You\u0026#39;d appreciate that. Living in Florida, so it hasn\u0026#39;t happened. The other one was the deaths from warming. Last year in the United States I don\u0026#39;t know if it was last year or the year before, I don\u0026#39;t know if it was last year or the year before 25 times more people died of extreme cold than died of extreme heat. So if you\u0026#39;re a betting man, I call it the Gore factor, that if Al Gore says something, bet the other way. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Ah right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, this is you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e The man is impossibly rich because of his creating a movement, creating an industry, and now it\u0026#39;s a racket. Yeah, I mean, it\u0026#39;s amazing how invisible he is now. I mean he really is like I haven\u0026#39;t seen or heard anything from Al Gore. I can\u0026#39;t remember the last time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it\u0026#39;s passive income now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, just stay quiet, stay low. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Just stay quiet, just stay quiet. The dollars just keep rolling in yeah, yeah. But it\u0026#39;s interesting. My suspicion is I\u0026#39;ve been thinking about this because I\u0026#39;m writing my next quarterly book. We just wrapped up Casting Not Hiring, which will come out in September this one with Jeff Madoff, this one with Jeff and it really really worked. This book really worked the Casting Not Hiring but the next one is going to be called Timeless. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eTechnology, and the idea here is that technology is a way of thinking. It\u0026#39;s not so much particular technology, but it\u0026#39;s a way, and my been that it\u0026#39;s actually one of the crucial factors. Technological thinking is one of the crucial factors that differentiates humans from the other species, and what I mean by that it\u0026#39;s the intentional and yet unpredictable utilizing stuff from our environment to enhance our capabilities. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I did a search on perplexity what would be reckoned from perplexity doing a search of what would be sort of the 10 early breakthroughs, the technological breakthroughs, and one of them was just stones that you could throw. You could pick up a stone and throw it and it actually changed how the human body evolved. Is that the ability of using our hand and our arm and getting that tremendous arm strength that you can throw a stone and, you know, kill something. Right Kill an animal or kill it. Kill another human yeah, and everything. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I wonder even about that, the evolution of technology, like that, like thinking a rock and then realize that, hey, if I just chisel this away now I make this sharp on this end. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And now all of a sudden we got an axe, you know yeah, and then actually they think that glue was an early adaption, that you could take sticks and stones and put them together. You could glue things together and you could actually. So they looked for probably really sticky saps or something from trees you know that they would use. Then pottery, of course, and it\u0026#39;s interesting with pottery that the very earliest samples that we have. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eclearly they took clay and made it into some sort of cup or yeah, a bowl of some sort, but whenever they find it and it goes back hundreds of thousands of years they can detect alcohol. They can detect that there was alcohol, which kind of shows you how early that must have been. Consciousness transformer that\u0026#39;s what I call alcohol. It\u0026#39;s a consciousness transformer, would you not say? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean I was listening to Joe Rogan. I had Jordan Peterson on his podcast just recently. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s a good podcast partnership. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, and he was talking about the, you know psychotropics and the things that are. You know that psilocybin and all the all of those things, marijuana was all what was sort of responsible for the revolutionary change that happened. You know the difference from the fifties to the sixties and his thing was, you know, in the mid to late 60s. You know that\u0026#39;s what started the whole. Every single one of those things was made schedule one, narcotic and illegal and completely controlled right, and that his thing is that we haven\u0026#39;t seen anything revolutionary, like any kind of change happening from since then, since the 60s, into now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Which kind of indicates that it\u0026#39;s good enough? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it\u0026#39;s just kind of funny. You know, like that, you wonder what the you know where he was kind of going with that, but he was using as an example like the creativity in the 60s, like he talked about the difference of the car. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eEven the cars and the things, the designs of things that were being made in the 60s are iconic and desirable and different than, like you compared to, you know, a camaro or the muscle car, this, the corvette, and the things in the 60s compared to like nobody wants your 19 camaro. That\u0026#39;s not desirable at all, not in the the way that the 60s, Except maybe NASCAR. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Except NASCAR, I think Camaros have a very niche use because they\u0026#39;re really souped up. Mark Young, his team has won. At the latest count, his team had won three races this year so far. Discount this team had won three races this year so far and he was talking about it at the podcast dinner that we had after doing the podcast, the four-person podcast. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut Camaros always play a very active role. They establish themselves as this amazing niche, you know, souped up, NASCAR type of car. But I really take what you\u0026#39;re saying there that there\u0026#39;s been no blockbuster new designs of cars that have really you know that you think that they\u0026#39;ll still be around. In other words, these are real breakthrough cars. Yeah, Just going a little deeper into the Joe Rogan, Peterson, the Jordan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Peterson conversation. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Did they go any deeper into why the creativity was then? But the creativity hasn\u0026#39;t gone any further. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think it was Joe\u0026#39;s sort of. You know, I\u0026#39;m halfway through the podcast right now, but his basic assertion was that those access to those drugs or those not I will call I use the word drugs those, those we could say technologies are new. Access to those things opened up the part of the brain that is creative linkers, like that that\u0026#39;s really they\u0026#39;re saying all the way back, like going, if you take it all the way back evolutionarily, that they believe, like what you just said, back in, as far back as they go, there\u0026#39;s access. You know they\u0026#39;re seeing alcohol in, yeah, as mind-altering things. They would revere mushrooms, mushrooms were abundant and things that were mind-altering. And you think through all of these things, even in Indian or Native lore, that the peyote and the things that were, that part of a trip out of reality is a rite of passage or a thing that activates another part of your brain. You know, makes the connections that aren\u0026#39;t otherwise accessible. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I\u0026#39;m totally, you know, I\u0026#39;m convinced that\u0026#39;s probably true. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And I think that we\u0026#39;re starting to see now that these hallucinogenic what do we call it? Not hallucinogenics, but psychotropics. What\u0026#39;s the right word for? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e it Psychotropic, I think. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so whatever now in treatment of PTSD and addiction and all of these beneficial things that are coming as part of using it therapeutically and but because it\u0026#39;s just now starting to become more accessible or more active, it used to be like you\u0026#39;ve always heard we you and I both know a lot of people that have gone down the Iowa or the you know version and have had, you know, all sort of mind altering experiences doing that. I\u0026#39;ve never done it, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, I mean, it was very interesting. I was at Richard Rossi\u0026#39;s Da Vinci 50. This was the last one I was I think it was february and scottsdale and two or three there. We had two or three coach clients there who were just doing a look. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSee, you know if they wanted to join the previewing and they were having a conversation about psychotropic drugs and they asked me if I had experimented and I said you mean, right beyond dealing with my own brain every day? You mean I said I have to tell you I don\u0026#39;t have time for that stuff. Just dealing with my own brain every day is sure, you know, it\u0026#39;s a full-time job. You know, because it\u0026#39;s switching, it\u0026#39;s switching channels continually and it takes a full-time job. You know, because it\u0026#39;s switching channels continually and it takes a lot of work to get it focused on something useful. Yeah, I just wonder about that because it\u0026#39;s when one of the political parties went really strange. I noticed the Democrats, since, well, kamala seems to me to be a sympathetic candidate for the president. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Unbelievable, this is all craziness. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, but they\u0026#39;re using the word weird to describe the Republicans. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e If there was ever a weird party. I mean, this is sheer projection, this is psychological projection. You know of weird, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but it\u0026#39;s amazing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s when the Democratic Party changed, and it changed quite radically. I remember speaking about you know, psychedelics. I was in the army in Korea for two years. Us Army. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I came back to the West Coast. When we flew back, we went into Seattle. I had a brother who was a professor at University of San Francisco, so I took a jump down to San Francisco before I flew back to my home in Ohio and he said I\u0026#39;m going to show you something really interesting. And he took me to Haight-Ashbury. This is the summer that Haight-Ashbury, San Francisco, became really famous and it was the beginning of the whole hippie movement. And he walked me around and I could tell by interacting with him that he wasn\u0026#39;t just an observer, you know that, he was actually a participant. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd he didn\u0026#39;t do him any good, because he eventually dropped out of, you know, being a professor and became more or less a vagrant. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Tune in turn on drop out. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah well, he dropped out. He dropped out and then, about I would say, 12 years later, he committed suicide. Oh, no, and yeah, I mean, he\u0026#39;s the one real casualty in my family. But I remember him how unreal his conversations were starting to become when I talked to him about this. You know this, and he was never and he was very smart. He was very smart I mean before that he was very bright and he was sort of practical and he became a professor, a university professor. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That says something right there. Yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah and anyway. But that was my first awareness, that was my first introduction to it. I mean, I mean I didn\u0026#39;t drink alcohol until I was 27 years old. I never drank until I was 27. Wow, I\u0026#39;ll have a glass of wine, that I\u0026#39;ll do anything, but I\u0026#39;ve never I\u0026#39;ve never actually enjoyed. I had pot a couple of times back in the early 60s, 70s and I found it disconnected me from other people. Alcohol does just the opposite. Alcohol kind of connects you. It does just the opposite. It kind of disconnects you and so it\u0026#39;s very definitely. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eit\u0026#39;s a reality since that period of time. But the one thing I want to say is that there\u0026#39;s a really interesting thing the Democratic Party, up until the late 60s, was the party of the working class you know, working class, blue collar workers, and they had a real disaster in 1968 because they had huge riots in Chicago. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo it\u0026#39;s interesting In two weeks they\u0026#39;ll be in Chicago and I think they\u0026#39;ve done one previous convention in Chicago. I think one of Obama\u0026#39;s conventions was in Chicago. But anyway, they made a decision that they were no longer the working class and I think it was the result of all the tremendous growth of the student population as a result of the baby boomer generation. So between between, I think, 1940s, when the baby boomer generation starts to 64. Ok, and that would be 18 years there were I think it was, I don\u0026#39;t know the exact number, but there was like 75 million babies who were born during that period and the front end of them were going to university in the 60s boomer generation. And so they saw the party start looking. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWell, these are our future voters. They\u0026#39;re not blue collar workers, they\u0026#39;re college students and graduates and professors, and then the entire new working cadre. They\u0026#39;re all going to be professionals. They\u0026#39;re going to be professionals. And they changed their entire focus in 1960. I think it was in 1969 or 70. George McGovern, who was a senator at that time, did a commission and said we\u0026#39;re no longer the party of the working class. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd and so they\u0026#39;re not, you know, 65 years later. And it\u0026#39;s funny because the Republicans were always considered sort of the Pluto class, they were the class of the rich people, and now they\u0026#39;ve just shipped positions. So 60 years later, it\u0026#39;s the billionaires and it\u0026#39;s the college professors and media people and the bureaucratic class the government bureaucrats they\u0026#39;re the Democrats. And the working class class the government bureaucrats they\u0026#39;re the Democrats and the working class is the Republicans. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, the Midwestern. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s true, yeah yeah, yeah yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And Trump is the working class billionaire. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, that\u0026#39;s true. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI wanted to say it is kind of I\u0026#39;ll use the word weird. What is kind of weird about this increased use of the word weird to describe the Republicans now is that it\u0026#39;s so widespread. It\u0026#39;s like the it\u0026#39;s the Democratic talking point now. Like I love the videos now that kind of expose, the, you know, the Democrat party line sort of thing, and it happens on both sides actually. But I mean this idea of that, you know, with the media, all the soundbites are, you know, planting that thought that Republicans are weird, that this is weird. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They\u0026#39;re testing it. It\u0026#39;s just that it\u0026#39;s. I think it\u0026#39;s hard for them to say it plausibly. There\u0026#39;s no traditional values that the Democrats represent. Yeah, but it\u0026#39;s interesting. And now I\u0026#39;m especially interested in your Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson podcast. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And I\u0026#39;m going to watch that after. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Watch that and Jordan Peterson I think I mean the two people together is a very interesting partnership for a podcast, because I think Jordan Peterson is, you know, came out of the university class. He was a professor here in Toronto and where he became. He became very famous for his book, which was basically very popular Rules for life you know, like before you leave your bedroom in the morning, make your bed and, yeah, stand up straight. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, stand up straight and when you visit with your, your friends and meet their parents, be the sort of person that their parents would like to have come back as a guest. Pretty basic, fundamental rules of life. But then he really became infamous, if you want to call it that here in Toronto, because he had a real objection to the whole university class saying that people could be whatever gender they wanted to be, and they could self-identify, and they were opposed to the he and her or he and she thing, and he said no, he said I\u0026#39;m not going to do that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHe said if it\u0026#39;s a female, I\u0026#39;m going to call her she. And they said oh, this is an attack. This is an attack on equality. This is an attack on diversity. This is an attack on inclusion. So he became very famous and it actually ultimately had forced him his hand to leave the university. He was called up and they said we\u0026#39;re going to take away your professional degree and everything like that. Right, right, okay, which you know. I think there\u0026#39;s something weird about that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean just my own opinion here, but yeah and I think Joe knows him. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think he\u0026#39;s had Joe\u0026#39;s had conversations. Joe Polish has had conversations with Jordan Peele. But all his videos where he\u0026#39;s being interviewed by people who obviously don\u0026#39;t like him, he comes off really well. He comes off as the sort of sane, rational person in all the you know, in all his interviews. I enjoy watching him. He strikes me as being kind of on the depressed side. You know he seems not to. I think he\u0026#39;s a psychologist. I think that by training. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd anyway, but I think it\u0026#39;s interesting because this all started with the conversation of alcohol on the ancient pottery. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know our thing here, but I think that probably throughout history, generation by generation, place after place, they found substances which can alter their consciousness, and I think it\u0026#39;s probably been with human beings forever. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, these whole. You\u0026#39;re absolutely right, that whole yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s not as good as steak for breakfast. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I\u0026#39;ll tell you what Dan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I have Steak for breakfast. Steak for breakfast. I just started it 12 days ago and it makes a big difference. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You\u0026#39;ve started Carnivore. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, not Carnivore, but I just don\u0026#39;t have Cheerios for breakfast. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Ah, right, right, Protein for breakfast. Yeah, I\u0026#39;ve been this week has been because I\u0026#39;ve been leaning more and more, as you know, working with jj on prioritizing pro no, babs was telling me about your call, abs was telling me about your call yesterday yeah and your air dryer. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Your air, my air fryer. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and I\u0026#39;ll tell you your air fryer and I made yesterday, yesterday for the first time, the most amazing ribeye in the air fryer. That was so juicy and delicious it was and so easy. I mean literally. I took the ribeye, I put salt and pepper and just a little bit. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, came out just like so your adventures get around you. Now I know, yeah, you\u0026#39;re absolutely right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But I mean that\u0026#39;s just, it\u0026#39;s so good, who knew? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean yeah, it was I texted that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, we\u0026#39;ve got the whole. I\u0026#39;m very fortunate that you see second hand through, babs, but you know there\u0026#39;s been a real support network, a gathering of what we\u0026#39;re lovingly calling Team Dean on a text thread, and so I texted a picture of that last night to the group. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Let\u0026#39;s keep Dean in the mainland for a while, right? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We don\u0026#39;t want him drifting off into Glanlandia for eternity At least until we can get my mind melded up there somehow, right, but this week has been a breakthrough. Like this week I\u0026#39;ve been, this is the first week of full carnivore, like only meat. Oh so I started on Monday and it\u0026#39;s been, you know, an interesting thing. But I had my highest weight loss week since we\u0026#39;ve been doing this by by this and I actually feel great. It took a couple of days to kind of get through the Van Allen belt of carbohydrate craving, you know. But now that I\u0026#39;m in, I\u0026#39;m through, I\u0026#39;m out of the atmosphere, I\u0026#39;m kind of floating that I think I can do this, you know, perpetually here for a while, and one of the reasons yeah, yeah Well. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e yeah well, I mean you talk about the air fryer, but there\u0026#39;s a direct connection between the management of fire and your air fryer. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eyou know, I mean hundreds of thousands of years and the human, the first humans who got a handle on fire. You know, it happened, probably accidentally, it was a lightning strike or something. But then they began to realize once we have fire, let\u0026#39;s find a way of keeping it going. So we have access and that was a huge jump, because eating raw meat almost uses as many calories as you\u0026#39;re getting from the meat, In other words you really have to work to digest. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eLet\u0026#39;s call it steak. You know the steak. It takes a lot of calories to digest it. You really have to work to digest it but once they added fire to the mix and you could cook the food it made it much easier to digest and you got your calories much easier, yeah, but the other thing is that it\u0026#39;s filling it\u0026#39;s very filling, I mean the more carnivore you are, the less you\u0026#39;re attracted to the sugar. That\u0026#39;s the truth, easy caps. I mean, I don\u0026#39;t feel particularly hungry. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI had breakfast around 8 o\u0026#39;clock this morning Steak. I have steak and avocado. Okay, it\u0026#39;s ribeye, but we\u0026#39;re going to get. As a result of your yesterday information, babs is going to get an air fryer. We\u0026#39;re going to get an air fryer, and then Stephen Poulter had even more. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I saw that. He put up a fancy thing, exotic thing you would know that Stephen tracked it down, because that\u0026#39;s what Stephen does. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but it\u0026#39;s very interesting this getting enough calories to do interesting mind work. It\u0026#39;s about if you\u0026#39;re going to. I read a report that one of the great advantages of North America is right from the beginning. Right from when the first people came to the East Coast, they had a lot of protein right from the beginning. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere was lots of game. There was lots of fish, you know. They had a lot of game and Americans have. Except for two periods of history, during the Revolutionary War and, I think, great Depression, americans have always had as many calories as they wanted. But there\u0026#39;s a reading that high-level mental work requires roughly, you know, in the neighborhood of above 2,000 calories a day. You have to have 2,000 calories to be doing mental work. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. And North America, the US and Canada have always had enormous amount of calories, protein calories, you know. So you can do hard labor, you can do high level of mental work. Makes for an industrious, you know, makes for an industrious population. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, that\u0026#39;s really you know. Jordan Peterson has been carnivore for five years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e He\u0026#39;s been carnivore for five years, yeah to save his life really. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And he mentioned that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e you know he looks at when the that everything got shifted when they came out with the food pyramid in the 70s, that was not by any nutritionist but by the agriculture department to get people getting grains and breads and stuff as the foundation of a healthy lifestyle, healthy nutrition plan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That sounds like a four-stage cause movement, industry, racket. Racket yeah, I think it\u0026#39;s now at the racket stage yeah, you know I mean halfway when we go. We were at the cottage for the last two weeks and halfway to the cottage is tim hortons. Tim hortons, okay, and I will tell you, based on your present heading in life, dean, you\u0026#39;ve probably been to your last Tim Hortons, because there\u0026#39;s nothing in there that\u0026#39;s actually good for you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, right, right, right. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s true, isn\u0026#39;t it? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean that\u0026#39;s something I call it Tim Hortons, where white people go to get whiter. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh man, Do you go up 400 when you go to the cottage, Like do you go past? No, we go 404. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We go 404. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, so you don\u0026#39;t go by Weber\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, weber\u0026#39;s is good, weber\u0026#39;s is a high-protein, but that\u0026#39;s what I mean. You don\u0026#39;t pass that on your way to your cottage. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You\u0026#39;re one freeway over on your way to york, got it, you\u0026#39;re one. We go one freeway over right, right, right. Yeah, I got it. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s interesting, but that you know there\u0026#39;s a great example what a canadian institution you know tim horton\u0026#39;s corner, really it\u0026#39;s, uh, it\u0026#39;s funny, yeah, but I had a thought about, you know, jordan Peterson being. You know like I think that where the revolution has really discussion of is this the best of times or the worst of times? My thought was that the battle for our minds is the thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYes, you\u0026#39;re absolutely right, but just like cancel culture, I think we\u0026#39;re in a period where our access to more information that\u0026#39;s not being just packaged and filtered for us. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe have access to unfilled information, and I think that you\u0026#39;re seeing a resurgence, that we\u0026#39;re moving towards in big swaths of categories, that the consensus, things that actually make a difference, and that we have access to more and more people who can do that, plus the diagnostic tools that we have support and show which methodologies are the most. And we\u0026#39;re starting to see that in. You know, just like cancel culture was able to, the reason that we brought on cancel culture is that the consensus we were able to, everything was being exposed. You know that more people had a voice to say to, to the checks and balances kind of thing of being observed, and that when people find out things, you know you\u0026#39;ve got access to that. So I see things like nutrition, like it\u0026#39;s like I\u0026#39;m noticing a trending, you know, more examination of christ, of Christianity as a thing that\u0026#39;s becoming more mainstream as well, and that\u0026#39;s just an observation of you know, seeing all these things. You know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e yeah, One of the things that\u0026#39;s really interesting is the variety of choices that you can make that actually cancel out a whole other part of where the information or news is coming out. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, for example, I haven\u0026#39;t as I mentioned, I haven\u0026#39;t watched television at all for now more than six years, and so what ABC thinks, what CBS thinks, what NBC thinks, what NPR, public television, msnbc, cnn think about anything I\u0026#39;m not the target here anymore because I don\u0026#39;t know what they\u0026#39;re saying about anything but I found all sorts of sites on the internet that I find really interesting. Real Clear Politics is my go-to. First thing in the morning I always look at Real Clear Politics, and what they do is they just aggregate headlines for the entire spectrum. So if you want to go to all the other sites, you can go there. But what they find, you know. I find that they\u0026#39;re making pretty widespread choices of what goes on there. In other words, if you\u0026#39;re left wing politically, you\u0026#39;ll find articles on RealClearPolitics. If you\u0026#39;re right wing, you\u0026#39;ll find real clear. But one of the things I find really interesting is when they mentioned the most popular articles for the last seven days, for the last 24 hours. They\u0026#39;re all right wing, they\u0026#39;re not left wing. So interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAlthough, yeah, I\u0026#39;ve never seen a left wing article be most watched or most read during the last seven days or the last 24 hours. They\u0026#39;re all using the definitions of what would be left-wing or right-wing in today\u0026#39;s setting. So it means that the people who are going to RealClearPolitics are mainly right-wing and they\u0026#39;re interested in knowing what the left is saying, wayne, and they\u0026#39;re interested in knowing what the left is saying, but they\u0026#39;re not really. They\u0026#39;re not really reinforcing themselves with the articles. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean a and you can tell just by the nature of the headline, which where the bias is whether it\u0026#39;s left or right and in any way. And but the interesting thing is how much I\u0026#39;m using perplexity now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Me too. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and I just got this format Tell me the 10 most important aspects of this particular topic. Five seconds later, I got the 10. And what I find is it\u0026#39;s having an effect on my mind that there\u0026#39;s never one reason for anything. There\u0026#39;s always. I mean, I use 10 reasons, but if I did 20, they could probably do 20, you know but what it does? It gives you a more balanced sense of what\u0026#39;s true, okay, but I\u0026#39;ve discovered this on myself. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean, if you talk to 100 people, maybe three of them are using perplexity and perplexity. You know I may. I know there\u0026#39;s other sites but it does for me what I want it to do. It gives me a background to think about things, and is that? What you\u0026#39;re talking about is non-controlled? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Because it\u0026#39;s my question. Yeah, like that\u0026#39;s what I think is that we\u0026#39;ve got access. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s my probes my probes that are revealing the information. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No one is packaging this for me. It\u0026#39;s that I\u0026#39;m asking clarify me on this particular subject and bang you know within a matter of seconds I have clarification. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Is that what you\u0026#39;re saying here? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e and I, but I think that the onus is on us to do our own interpretation and, you know, measuring whether this fits with what we think. Whereas, you know, we were sort of when we were exposed to information like all of our whole adult lives, up until the last say, you know, 10 years has really been filtered through the lenses of the mainstream media, like I think about curators, often curators, curators. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, they were the curators. Yeah, or the guardians, local minority. You remember, I mean, even in the closest thing was I remember when City TV came out with Speaker\u0026#39;s Corner. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You remember that they would have a little booth set up and you could go in and speak your mind. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah you could go in and speak your mind and that\u0026#39;s how you got to think, see what other people were thinking. Otherwise, you had to go to Young and Dundas and you know, on the corner there and hear everybody up on their soapbox or whatever it was. That\u0026#39;s always been. You know, that\u0026#39;s kind of where everybody\u0026#39;s megaphone now is. You don\u0026#39;t have to go out to the corner where all the people are. You can sit in your basement and you\u0026#39;ve got a megaphone to the whole world. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you know, this probably helps explain something. I read an article Friday, I downloaded it and I read it about three or four times, and that is that none of the big corporations are making any money on AI. Right, they\u0026#39;re investing enormously in it, but they\u0026#39;re not making any money on it, and I think the reason is that it wasn\u0026#39;t designed for them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Ah right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It was designed for individuals to do whatever the hell they wanted to do. And if anything, it works against the corporations, because if people are using AI to pursue their own interests, that means it\u0026#39;s time and attention that they\u0026#39;re not giving to the corporations. Yeah, yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And I would say there\u0026#39;s a real panic. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I would say there\u0026#39;s a real panic setting in, because it\u0026#39;s when ChatGPT came out. Everybody said, oh, now this is going to enhance our ability to get our message across. Well, that\u0026#39;s only true if people are paying attention. But what if the impact of AI is actually to take people\u0026#39;s attention away from you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it is changing so much. So I mean yeah, it is changing so much, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean. Dean if you\u0026#39;re going carnivore, Tim Hortons\u0026#39; messaging isn\u0026#39;t getting to you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean All that money they\u0026#39;re spending on Tim Hortons\u0026#39; advertising is wasted money on you. Wasted on me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s exactly it. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s so amazing how to waste your money on Dean Jack. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e How to waste your money on Dean Jack. How to waste your money on Dean Jack Uh-huh. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Man so funny. Well, yeah, I should. This would be great, though, to get a. You know, start spreading the word about the air fryer. Get an air fryer deal. I mean, the salmon and the steak are amazing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And apparently JJ thinks pork chops are good. That\u0026#39;s right. So you got the whole good. That\u0026#39;s right, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So you got the whole scoop. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I love it that you\u0026#39;ve got a buffer between you and the technology. Well, she controls the checkbook, so she might as well get the information, because she controls the checks. Yes, and Babs has been my authority on eating since I\u0026#39;ve met her. I mean that\u0026#39;s one of the great benefits of being in relation she\u0026#39;s always been good about that. You know, my life is two parts, before Babs and after Babs. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I know Absolutely. I\u0026#39;m much healthier since I\u0026#39;ve met her. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m much healthier since I met her. Yeah, Anyway, yeah, but it\u0026#39;s really interesting. You know that what you\u0026#39;re introducing here to the Cloudlandia conversation is that we now have the opportunity to be much more discerning than we were before. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, we have not only the opportunity but the responsibility, and that\u0026#39;s what I think we wrestle with is that we can\u0026#39;t just take all of the information and take it at face value to realize that that there\u0026#39;s a level of building your own internal filters. Timeless Technology is that we\u0026#39;re looking for advantage. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s what. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI established right at the beginning is that you\u0026#39;re looking for an advantage that, for a while, other people don\u0026#39;t have, because that improves your status. That improves your status that you have an advantage, and it creates inequality. One of the things that people don\u0026#39;t realize is that every time you create a new advantage, it creates inequality in your surrounding area, okay, and then other people have to respond to that, either by using your advantage, like imitating your advantage, or they canitating your advantage, or they can create their own advantage, or they can try to stop you from having your advantage, and I think that depends on your framework. So I think a lot of cancel culture is people not wanting you to have that advantage, so they won\u0026#39;t let you talk about it, they won\u0026#39;t let you do certain things and I think the cancel culture has probably been there right from the beginning, it just takes different forms. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eShe\u0026#39;s a witch, yeah, yeah, there\u0026#39;s a witch, yeah, yeah. Can I tell you something about? That the salem, and also the ones that happened in Europe the witch thing, was. It was moldy grain, so usually the witch seasons happen to do happen when there was a lot of rain. Okay, and the grains got moldy and my sense is they created, they created, and so that a lot of the Fermenting. Yeah, there was a fermentation, but also it drove people a little bit crazy and there\u0026#39;s a lot of investigation now of the which periods. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, salem is the most famous US. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But it didn\u0026#39;t happen. It didn\u0026#39;t except for Salem Massachusetts. But they had several really wet seasons where the grain got moldy and my sense is that people were getting fermented grain on a daily basis and it drove me kind of crazy, yeah that made him weird. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Weird it made him weird. I saw james carville. James carville said that the democrats should stop saying they\u0026#39;re weird and start calling them creeps. Weird Weird is creeps as a label. They\u0026#39;re creeps, you know yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it\u0026#39;s funny to see. I would love to hear. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;d love to hear a podcast or a panel interview between you. Know, luntz the. I forget what his first name is Jeffrey Luntz? Is it the Republican wordsmith guy? I think it\u0026#39;s Jeffrey. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Luntz, I don\u0026#39;t know him oh. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Luntz yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Jeffrey Luntz. He\u0026#39;s the one who does the panel discussions, that\u0026#39;s right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And he gets the messaging, for he\u0026#39;s the Republican wordsmith and James Carville is essentially that for the Democrats. I\u0026#39;d love to hear that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think James Carville is essentially that for the Democrats. I\u0026#39;d love to hear that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think James Carville is now. He\u0026#39;s like the crazy ant upstairs. Yeah, I think so. Right, right, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Because the last couple of weeks he said you know you better get over this mania real fast that you\u0026#39;re having with Kamala Harris and he says, because he said you have no idea what\u0026#39;s coming back against you. It\u0026#39;ll take the Republicans three or four weeks to figure out what the target is here, and he says you better get over this real fast. He says it\u0026#39;s going to be incredibly hard work over the next three months to get to the election, make sure your grains are dry here, don\u0026#39;t get that fermented grain brain. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eMake sure your powder is dry too. Yeah, yeah, but it\u0026#39;s an interesting thesis. This is where we\u0026#39;ve added a new dimension to Cloudlandia the psychotropic part of Cloudlandia yeah, I agree. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e There was a. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Greek player, one of the Greek writers, playwrights. He talked about a place called Cloud Cuckoo Land. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, that\u0026#39;s funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and he was talking about people who would just go off and make up new stuff and everything like that had no basis in current reality and he called it cloud cuckoo land. You know well, you know we\u0026#39;ve had a lot of that over the last 50 or 60 years yeah, I think what we\u0026#39;re really introducing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Dan is the intersection you know the venn diagram of the mainland cloudlandia and Danlandia or Deanlandia. That\u0026#39;s the one that we can actually control. Is Danlandia, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, the big thing is, if you truly want to be a uniquely creative individual today, the resources are available for you to do it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But you got to be really discerning about what gets allowed in across the borders into your thinking that\u0026#39;s it exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, All right Dan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean, yeah, I have to jump too. One thing about it is I\u0026#39;m going to watch that Joe Rogan church because I think that\u0026#39;s interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I have to watch that Joe Rogan George because I think that\u0026#39;s interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I have to laugh when Joe Rogan had. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Peter Zion for a loop. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve never seen Joe Rogan thrown so much for a loop, because Peter Zion is nothing if not confident about his point of view. I mean, he\u0026#39;s a very confident guy about his point of view and Joe wasn\u0026#39;t ready for it and about every you know, every 90 seconds he said holy cow, oh wow. Oh yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I got to watch that one too, jesus Christ yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And you can see Joe sitting there. He said yeah he said next time I have this guy on no pot for 24 hours beforehand. This is moving, this is moving. I\u0026#39;m too slow here. I can\u0026#39;t keep up with this you know, Peter Zion is like a jackhammer when he starts going you know he does a whack, whack, whack. Yeah, that would be Actually Jordan Peterson and Peter Zion would be an interesting one. Two brains, yeah, yeah, for sure. Maybe Elon Musk as a third person, jordan Peterson and Peter Zion would be an interesting one. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eMm-hmm, Two brains yeah yeah for sure, Maybe Elon Musk as a third person. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Imagine a panel. Yeah, exactly, there was a great. There was a show called Dinner for Five and it was a. It was an entertainment like movie one, where they\u0026#39;d have different directors and actors at dinner, just a mix of people and having just recording their conversation. No real thing. Jon Favreau did that show it was really great. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No curating really. Yeah, anyway. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay Dan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Very entertaining. We\u0026#39;ll be here next week, yes, I always enjoy these. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e They go so fast. Yeah, thanks a lot. Okay, thanks, dan, I\u0026#39;ll talk to you soon. Bye. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In this episode of Cloudlandia, we explore how weather predictions and media sensationalism influence public views, especially regarding storms like impending Tropical Storm Debbie. Drawing on past hurricanes and climate patterns, we examine the normalized perceptions of living with these events. \r\n\r\nAdditionally, we delve into the evolution of creativity through technology and mind-altering substances. From early stone tools to therapeutic uses of psychotropics today, innovation is traced alongside historical cultural explosions. Comparisons are drawn between eras like the 1960s and perceptions of creativity now. \r\n\r\nThese chapters emerge from a common thread of challenging assumptions, spanning climate activism, human creative drives, and digital changes. ","date_published":"2024-09-05T10:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/53720864-7f1a-400f-8dcb-f91ed2a589f3.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":53451629,"duration_in_seconds":3340}]},{"id":"655e94e7-bd9a-42fe-a0a6-3ea2fe4f2e2d","title":"Ep130: The Digital Economy and Its Impact on Productivity","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/130","content_text":"In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we have a thought-provoking discussion around AI and its future implications. We introduce Juniper, an advanced voice-based AI capable of tasks from writing to coding, giving insight into emerging technologies. \n\nWe explore impacts like the attention economy, where value emerges without physical costs. Success stories like Mr. Beast showcase uniqueness and AI's potential to tackle real issues. \n\nThe episode delivers a well-rounded look at AI capacities and societal changes. References to early smartphone adoption phases parallel today's AI capabilities. \n\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\n\n  We discuss the potential of voice-based GPT-4.0 AI, specifically highlighting \"Juniper\" with a Scarlett Johansson-like voice, and its various applications from writing to coding.\n  We compare the current adoption of AI to the early days of smartphones, emphasizing that we are only beginning to understand AI's full capabilities.\n  We explore historical productivity trends, noting a decline since 1975, and question whether modern technology truly enhances productivity or just alters our perception of it.\n  We debate the role of technology giants like Mark Zuckerberg and Tesla in shaping productivity and economic measurement.\n  We reflect on the mid-20th century advancements such as electrification and infrastructure, and compare them to today's computing power and its economic impact.\n  We discuss the concept of the attention economy and the creation of value from digital products without physical production costs, using digital creators like Mr. Beast as examples.\n  We consider the potential of AI in solving real-world problems such as city traffic congestion and climate understanding, rather than just creating new opportunities.\n  We emphasize the importance of practical solutions and specific use cases to fully leverage the capabilities of advanced AI technologies.\n  We touch on the economic shifts in the digital era, including the rise of digital transactions and the non-tangible realm of digital innovation.\n  We highlight the unique nature of success in the digital world, using examples like Mr. Beast and Taylor Swift, and discuss the challenges and opportunities presented by new technologies.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean: Mr Sullivan, who is that person that gives the directions when we start the podcast? \n\nDan: Well, I'm not sure the one that says this podcast this call may be. \n\nDean: You are the first one on this conference phone call, oh my goodness, who is she? \n\nDan: Who is she? She's a bot. She's not real. She's a bot. She's not real. She's not real. She's not real, she doesn't sound. \n\nDean: I've heard worse sounding bots. \n\nDan: Dan, I have been experimenting, playing around with chat GPT-4.0. And I use it primarily in voice mode, meaning, you know, I just say things to it and it has an amazing Scarlett Johansson-like voice that has zero, not at all like Siri or Alexa. You know where those voices definitely sound like. They are bots. This, my GPT-4O I think her name's Juniper is the voice that I chose. She sounds like a real person, I mean, and has like real tone, real inflection, real like conversational feeling to it and I realized that I don't think we really understand what we have here. I mean, I look at it and I think, imagine if that was a real person. \n\nDean: Now, when you say we, who are you talking about? \n\nDan: I mean the collective royal we I I'm sorry I've never been around yeah, I just think we as a when I say we, we as a society or we as the people collectively using this, it reminds me of this Seinfeld episode where Kramer got this or Jerry got his dad, this wizard organizer, and they always use it as a tip calculator, like the least of all the functions that it has. They're just excited that it's a tip calculator, and I feel like that's the current level of my adoption of Juniper. \n\nDean: Yeah, I think the big thing is what you let's say, a year from now, level of my adoption of Juniper, you know, yeah, I think the big thing is what you let's say a year from now. You're using Juniper for a year. What do you think will be different as a result of having this capability, new capability? \n\nDan: Well, I think it's operator, you know, I think it's operator dependent, you know, I think it's up to me what I think if you said to me. You know, I think it's up to me what I think if you said to me listen, I'd like to introduce you to Juniper. She's going to come here and she'll be within. She's going to follow you around. She's going to be here within three feet of you or discreetly out of sight, whatever you, but whenever you call she'll be right there. She is a graduate level. \n\nShe is a graduate level student. She could pass the bar. She knows everything that's ever been recorded, she speaks every language. She never sleeps, she can write, she can draw, she can do graphics, she can do coding Whatever you like, and she's yours 20 to a month. Have fun, yeah, do you think you'd use it Well? \n\nthat's my question is that it feels like I'm not using it and I have it. That's essentially what I have. I've got it in my pocket. You know how they said. You know the iPod was launched with the promise of a thousand songs in your pocket. Well, I think this is really like. You know, an MBA or a PhD or whatever you want in your pocket is essentially what we have, and I find it very interesting. \n\nDean: No, I think it's unique, you know, and it's brand new. But what problem did you have that this solves? \n\nDan: Well, I think that it's not per se a problem, but I think that we're I really have been observing and thinking, and I've said it you know in lots of our conversations, that I think that 2020, you know, if we take the 50-year period from 1975 to 2025, that we've pretty much set the stage now for a new plateau launch pad kind of at the same time. I don't. I think that once we understand and people you know, I think it's almost like the iPhone had the app store, that became what Peter Diamandis called the interface moment. \n\nRight, that was the you know, that allowed, once people realized that the capabilities of the iPhone to both measure geographically where you are at any precisely at any moment, the gyro thing that can detect movement, the sound, the camera capabilities, the touch screen, all of those things, Well, people realized what the baseline capabilities of the phone were. \n\nThey were able to architect very specific, you know, starting with games very specific ways to use the capabilities that are very specific ways to use the capabilities that are built into the phone and I think that right now it's almost like it can do anything, and I think that we need to figure out the very specific use cases and I think we'll see people. \n\nDean: You keep saying we, but I don't think we is going to do it. I think you know, who we are. Do we have a cell phone number? Do we have a street address? \n\nYou know, I think you're having a very interesting personal experience with the new technology. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know if anybody else is going to be in on this, but the big thing is, how are you going to set it up so that you can prove that this is valuable? I mean, let's say, three months from now the time you come back to. \n\nToronto for your next strategic coach pre-zone workshop things you're going to test out and see if the inclusion of this spot with a very sexy Scarlett Johansson voice. This isn't the issue that she sued somebody for. \n\nDan: I think it's, I don't know actually this voice is. It's not exactly her, but it's, you know, it's that tone and things. \n\nDean: So yeah, so. \n\nDan: I don't know that. It's a pleasing voice, much more pleasing and personal than Siri or Alexa, for instance. Yeah, but yeah, I think you're absolutely right it does come down to and I think that's where the paralysis of you know the it can do anything, but you know what would be you know where my mind goes. \n\nDean: It's which, how that I already have, but am I going to assign this capability to so that I don't have to spend any time whatsoever interacting with this bot? But my who's a you know who's a live human being working for a strategic coach would that person actually work? Do this, you know, and actually and I tested out for three months what are you getting done faster? \n\nSo, for example, we have an AI newsletter that rewrites itself every two weeks and chooses new content, designs it and goes out and it uses up one hour of my Linda Spencer, who's one of my team members on the marketing team, and it's very interesting, I mean we have about 2000 people who read it and they grade it and everything like that. \n\nBut the only thing I have to do every two weeks she said here's the news, here's the results from the last newsletter, here's the design and contents of the next newsletter, yes or no? And I'll go through. I say, yeah, looks good, send it out, right. Yeah, now, that's not freeing me up, because we never had this capability before. It's a new capability, right, and it's been going for about nine months now and people will talk to me about it and you know everything like that and everything like that. \n\nBut I haven't seen that it's made a huge difference in the crucial numbers of strategic coach, which are marketing calls. Are we generating great leads that people are talking to us about? Are they signing up for the program? Are they whatever? So the normal measurements. \n\nSo I think, with any technology, the first thing I would establish before I got interested in the technology is what are the crucial numbers that we have that tell me that our business and myself are moving forward? And then, whatever I'm going to use the new technology for, it has to have an impact on those numbers. Yeah, I think that's yeah, because you know the amount of productivity. I'll use the United States as an example. You mentioned 1975 to 2025, 50 years of individual productivity in the United States was much higher in the 50 years before 1975, since it has been for the last 50 years since 1975. Even though there are these amazing books and that about how productivity is going through the world with the microchip. But the actual numbers which are gathered by the US government, the US Treasury Department, us Department of Labor, indicates that the level of individual productivity has actually gone down in the last 50 years even though the excitement level of productivity has gone through the roof. \n\nDean: By what measurement? What are they deciding? Is product? \n\nDan: Dollars of economic activity per hour per worker. Okay, that's how productivity is measured. \n\nDean: The number of workers. \n\nDan: You have the number of hours they work and the amount of economic dollars that their hour of activity produces. The productivity was much higher total for the entire all workers. \n\nDean: But is it all productivity or personal productivity? Like are you saying no all? \n\nDan: productivity? No, the entire GDP of the economy, measured by the number of workers. Yeah, okay by the number of workers it's going down, it's down. No, yeah, since 1975, it's not as great as it was from 1925 to 1975. So that 50-year period the productivity levels in the United States were bigger than the last 50 years. \n\nDean: Wow, that seems. That's surprising. What do you think that means? \n\nDan: Well, a lot of people are really excited and involving themselves in technological activity that produces absolutely no productivity. Yeah, they're very excited, they're very excited and they're getting very emotionally connected to this activity. But you know, I'm not saying that's not a great thing, I'm not. Maybe they're having more fun, Maybe they're you know, maybe they have. \n\nDean: What actually counts as GDP. \n\nDan: Well, GDP is amount of sales amount of sales. \n\nDean: Okay, so would the advertising sales that Mark Zuckerberg makes for Facebook count as GDP, or is it only in physical, like you know, shippable goods, or whatever? \n\nDan: Well, whatever, uh, you have a dollar spent on something that constitutes a sale to sale. \n\nDean: Okay, so advertising, so Google and Facebook and Netflix and all of those things count as GDP? Sure, okay, all right, then that seems impossible. \n\nDan: It seems impossible, but it's true. \n\nDean: That's pretty wild. \n\nDan: Yeah yeah. I'm not saying that Mark Zuckerberg isn't making a lot of money. I'm not saying Mark. Zuckerberg isn't productive. My feeling is that the technology is created, makes a lot of other people non-productive. \n\nDean: Yeah, and I wonder I mean that's a do you think you know if you measured that in terms of the total population versus the workforce? Is that what? In terms of the total population versus the workforce, is that what you know? I'm just looking for some explanation of this right. \n\nDan: Somewhere along the line, there has to be an economic transaction for it to constitute and everything else. See, this is the difference. Yeah and everything else See this is the difference? China talks about its GDP, but they don't use the same term that everybody else in the world uses. They use the economic value of what they've produced. So they can produce a million machines and they're sitting in a warehouse and they count that as GDP gross domestic product. But there was no sale, it's, you know, they spend it, it was an economic activity. \n\nThere was a transaction there, but there was no sale. So I think that's the big thing. It doesn't count unless there's a sale. \n\nDean: GDP, doesn't it? \n\nDan: doesn't count as GDP unless there's a sale. Somebody makes money, yeah. \n\nDean: Okay, money Okay, yeah, yeah, I mean, it's pretty. \n\nDan: No, I'm not saying it's not exciting. And here's the. \n\nDean: Thing. \n\nDan: Maybe it's an A\u0026amp;I, it's what I would R\u0026amp;D stage. The last 50 years have been R\u0026amp;D stage. For the next 50 years, which are going to be 100 times bigger of GDP. Okay, that may happen, but it's not happening yet. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's pretty, yeah, it's pretty wild. I mean you can definitely see, like the capabilities of you know, you can definitely see this replacing many customer service interactions, for sure. For instance, it's like a you can definitely see that going away, that there's not going to be a need for humans manning a customer service telephone center, for instance you know, yeah, I mean if it's good, I mean if it's good you know, and it depends upon the service that's being talked about, but if it's good, you know, maybe it does See, efficiency is not effectiveness. \n\nDan: You know, and effectiveness is that you made a sale. Efficiency is we took all the activities leading up to a sale and we made them more, faster and easier. Yeah, the question is did you get a sale out of it? \n\nDean: Mm-hmm. \n\nDan: Mm-hmm, yeah, so. I don't know, but I think there's a bit of a magician show going with a lot of different kinds of technology, you know. I mean, it was like somebody was saying, you know, they were talking about EVs and specifically they were talking about a Tesla, and specifically they were talking about a Tesla. And he says do you know how much faster zero to 60 is in a Tesla than any gas-powered? Or you know, and I said, to tell you the truth, I don't know. \n\nDean: To tell you the truth. You know. \n\nDan: Geez, you know All the things I've been thinking about since last Monday. I'm sorry, I just didn't get to that one Anyway. And he says well, it's easily a second faster. I said good. I said now, where do you do this? There isn't any way. We're in greater Toronto, the area of greater. Toronto 6 million people, where you can go from 0 to 60 on a city street in two seconds. You know and everything like that. \n\nHe said, yeah, but boy, you know, I mean, just think of that, how much faster you can go. And I said, yeah, but Teslas don't go any faster in Toronto than any other car, that's true, and usually they're stopped. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's exactly right yeah. \n\nDan: So I think the Tech Magic Show, I think it multiplies people's imagination, but it doesn't multiply their results. You know, I think there's something about it. And I think this is great. I mean what you're telling me. I've had some really boring people on the other end of a phone call and Scarlett Johansson would really liven it up a little bit. \n\nDean: Absolutely yeah, yeah, exactly. \n\nDan: Yeah, I was noticing that Cleveland hired Jack Nicholson and they still use it. It must have been 20 years ago. All the announcements, the regular announcements like don't leave your bags unattended, and things like that, oh right. There's a whole bunch of just what I would call airport announcements, and they have Jack Nicholson doing it and you stop and listen every time it starts. You know it's very effective and I'm sure and I'm sure Scarlett, I'm sure Scarlett Johansson would do a good job too. \n\nDean: Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, it's so, it's so funny. I mean, that seems. I'm just dumbfounded by the fact that productivity has decreased in the 50 years that we're talking about here. \n\nDan: Yeah Well, think of the 50 years, though, and you gave me that great book. \n\nDean: Yeah, you gave me the book that was 1900 to 1950, 1925. \n\nDan: But 1925 to 1975, the entire country was being electrified. They're laying in lines and everybody was the farm that I was on. I was born in 1944. That farm was electrified in 1928. So it was only 16 years that they had electricity. Right, and you know they were putting in the entire water systems. The Tennessee Valley Authority was putting in all these dams and the electric plants. You know Lake Mead as a result of the Hoover Dam. \n\nThey were putting in all those dams and that just produced enormous jumps and the cars were going in, the gas systems, all the infrastructure for gasoline was going in. It was just a monstrously productive period of time. And then all the production that went into the second world war, which they then had as productive capability after the war stopped and so they had all the manufacturing capabilities you know and you know and so. But there's to see the thing is, the real jump that's happened is the jump in computing. There's no question. \n\nDean: There's been a monstrous jump. \n\nDan: It's a billion times since 1970. It's a billion times. That doesn't translate into money, and money is what productivity is based on. How much more money are you making per hour of human labor? How much more money are you making for our human labor? Now maybe somebody will say well, we got to start counting the robots in our GDP. Something is doing work. Yeah, Just I mean wow, wow, wow, the only problem with you know the only thing about robots, though they're shitty consumers. \n\nDean: Yes, exactly that's so funny. Yeah, they don't buy anything you know. \n\nDan: Yeah, A computer is a good worker, you know. It doesn't take breaks, doesn't get sick you know doesn't form unions anything. You know it doesn't go home, it doesn't have a house, doesn't have furnishings doesn't need furniture doesn't go out to eat. \n\nDean: Right, right. We're definitely in a stage right now where there's opportunities more than ever for economic alchemy, creating money out of nothing, seemingly compared to 1975. \n\nI'm not sure how that happened, I think, since in the digital world we're essentially creating money out of ether, you know, out of attention, even in a way that if we just take the attention economy or the portion of the money that is derived from the advertising world in, where it was print ads, television ads, radio ads those were things that were kind of happening in 19, right and, but they were selling sort of physical goods, whereas now I remember having a conversation with Eben Pagan about this, when I did a book Stop your Divorce in 1998, when it was when PDFs were just coming to be a thing where you could create a digital document that didn't require printing a physical book and you could email that or somebody could download it. \n\nAnd I just realized that you know, in that we've literally sold $5 million of a picture of a book not physically printing. These thousands and thousands of books, it's literally no zero physical good. That's why I wondered about whether the GDP is only measuring you, because we're definitely in a time where you can create money from nothing and the way that was driven was from Google AdWords. \n\nDan: You can't create anything from nothing. No, I mean nothing physical, any. You can't create any. I don't think you can create anything from nothing there. No, I mean okay, nothing physical. Okay, that's what I mean. \n\nDean: Yeah, like you look at it, that the book, you know we created the book and turned it into a pdf that was put on a website that there's no physical manifestation of it's, only digital. You can only see it online. People would search on Google for save my marriage or how to stop a divorce, or any of the keywords we could magically get in front of those people on their screen. They could click oh, stop your divorce, how do I do that? They click on that. They read this digital. \n\nIt didn't cost anything other than what was paid for was that we paid google for the, you know, for sending that, you know the ability to display that person, that opportunity to somebody. We paid google every time somebody clicked on that ad and then they would buy the book and it would automatically take them to a page to download the book. There was no inter, no human interaction and no physical exchange. It was all 100 digital and that was where, you know, I started referring to that as alchemy, really like creating money out of of bits. You know, yeah, yeah, that's so that. \n\nDan: Yeah, I think there's no I think there's uh no question that we've moved into a what I call a non-tangible realm of creating value, creating property and everything else, but at the end of the day it all adds up somewhere where this constitutes an economic transaction and as far as the accountants care, they don't care whether it was something physical or sold or everything. There's taxes that are taken out of that. I don't see the remarkable difference. You're using a different medium, but there is work that goes into that. \n\nAnd you had a big payoff with one, but there were another thousand people right at the same time you were doing that and their results? They put in a lot of work, they put in a lot of effort and it didn't produce any money whatsoever. Efforts go into GDP, your efforts go into GDP and there's way more of them than there is of you. So it brings you the overall results down and you know so and we kind of know. We kind of know that. You know productivity numbers. You know, like, on a year I know people talk about well, that productivity is going to go up by 20% as a result of that. \n\nWell, that may be true for a single company, but that's not true for the industry they're in, because their new thing going up by 20% may actually make obsolete 5 or 6 or 20 other companies who have had productivity that a year before, but now they have no productivity at all. So their loss of productivity is balanced against the gain of productivity. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's interesting. I guess you think about that. That could be true in all the casualties of the digital transition here, right Like, what do you look at? \n\nDan: Well, certainly the advertising world, certainly the advertising world, I mean before Mark Zuckerberg and before Google, newspapers like the New York Times. \n\nDean: Daily. \n\nDan: Edition was very thick. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: And half of it was advertising. Now it's very thin okay because, they don't have the same. Yeah, but there's winners and losers, you know, in this, and you have a technological breakthrough, you have far more losers than you do winners. \n\nDean: Yeah, I'm looking at like I was just listening to an interview with that Tucker Carlson did with someone I forget who, some former CBS correspondent you know, and they were talking about the new. You know what's really changed now is the reach capabilities you know, like Tucker really primarily being on his own platform but using the reach of x has, you know it's the audience is accessible to everybody, as opposed to him in the beginning of their careers, the only way to get reach was to be signed to a, a digital, or assigned to a traditional network where the eyeballs were. \n\nBut, now the eyeballs are accessible to everybody and it really becomes these are my words, but it's more of a meritocracy in a way that you're you know that it's available for everybody. The cream definitely can rise to the top if you've got a voice that people resonate with. \n\nDean: Yeah, I mean, and Tucker's a star, tucker's a star. He's got his following, he's got probably a couple million followers. Whatever he was big when he was on Fox and he had the top numbers on Fox and everything like that, but there aren't two of them. \n\nDean: Right, and you can't replace him with an AI either. \n\nDean: No, but what I mean is we pick out the winners. It takes a lot of losers to get to a winner, you know and I think this is more extreme in the Cloudlandia world than it is in the physical world- you know. I mean, I think there's a thing called network effect and the network effect is you can only have one Amazon. Basically, you can only have one Amazon. Because, the nature of Amazon is to suck everybody's customers up into one destination. \n\nThere aren't five Amazons competing with each other, and that's what digital does. A person like Taylor Swift couldn't have existed 20 years ago. They wouldn't have had the reach. Yeah, that's true, and she's got the reach today. \n\nI mean she's coming along and she's got a lot of things going for her. She's very attractive, she's very productive, she pumps out songs all the time and the songs seem to resonate with a mood in the public right now. And everybody's got their cell phones and everybody's got that. And what I'm saying is, if you have one Taylor Swift, you can't have two. Well, yeah, that's. \n\nDean: I mean it's, I wonder you start to see that she's just a, she's one voice, right Like I look at, I've been following rabbit holes like up the chain. You know and I start so Taylor Swift is a good example that many of her biggest hits and biggest success have been in collaboration with Max Martin, who is a producer who I often talk about and refer. Second, he's got the second biggest number of number one songs to his credit, right behind. He just passed Paul McCartney or John Lennon, and only Paul McCartney is ahead of him. Now he's about five songs behind Paul McCartney. \n\nWhat I realized is, you know, there's a way that it's kind of like you get max martin's voice is really what is, you know, behind most of the the most popular music, or much of the most popular music, and yet not many people could pick him out of a lineup. And then then I went another layer up. It just dawned on me, like in the last couple of weeks here, that the real catalyst to Max Martin's success was Clive Davis. Who is? Do you know who? Clive Davis is the former, or still, record executive. \n\nDean: He was the head of so far, your records so far. So far, you're introducing me to a lot of new people. \n\nDan: Okay, great well, I, I just love this that. You know, max martin, I've been saying, as that's the thing, like you think about one thing Max Martin's one thing has been making hit records. Right, that's all he's done. Making pop songs since 1996, or what is first number one. But if you trace it all the way back, the catalyst to it because he was in Sweden, there was a group years ago called Ace of Bass and they had a number one song. \n\nBut when you go all the way back to how that happened, it was because Clive Davis, who was the head of Columbia Records and all its subsidiaries, arista and Jay Records, and all its subsidiaries, arista and J Records and all of these things, he found that song. He's like a guesser and better. He was guessing that song is going to be a hit and he signed Ace of Base to bring them to America. So he plucked this obscure Swedish band out of and brought them to America and on the wave of that, created the opportunity for Max Martin to work with all these great artists that happened to be under the direction of Clive Davis. And if you go even one layer beyond that, the guy that owns Bertelsmann, you know G Music Group in Germany. They own almost all the record labels, kind of thing. It's him seeing Clive Davis and putting up a million dollars for Clive Davis to start this record label. It's amazing that it all, kind of you know, goes back to capital allocation. \n\nDean: But the big thing is none of that has to do with any productivity. \n\nDan: Yeah, that's the thing I wonder, you know, I mean that really. \n\nDean: No, well, what you're talking about is. You mentioned a name. Yes, and he does this and he's very successful and he's famous for being successful. But at the same time that he was doing what he was doing, there were 9,999 who were waiting on tables and doing this on weekends and nights, yeah, okay, and they weren't making any money at all. So what. \n\nI'm saying is when you pick a winner out and you see, see how productive they are using new technology you also have to account for the people who are using the new technology and not making any money at all, and therefore it's not more productive. Yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: And I mean, you know we haven't talked about him for a while, Mr Beast. Yeah, and people say, see what you can do when you're 18? You won't see anything because he's so unique. And he has such a set of circumstances that there's nothing that he does that is repeatable by another person. \n\nDan: I mean, yeah, he just became just in the last, I haven't heard anything about him. \n\nDean: Is he still doing stuff? I don't know. Is he still doing stuff? I don't know. Is he still doing stuff? Yeah, yeah, he just became. Or is he retired at 28? \n\nDan: No full steam ahead. \n\nDean: He's got a 300-foot. \n\nDan: He just became the number one subscribed channel in the world. He was the number one individual but there was this T-Series channel in India, which wasn't a person a different thing. Now he's the number one thing. He's now working on an Amazon show. He's taking his stuff to to amazon still full steam ahead with his, with his videos, but he's doing a big game show series in uh with under the amazon banner yeah, yeah, yeah. \n\nDean: it's really interesting because you know again I go back that it seems to me that a lot you know and I've made this statement before is that a new technology comes out, or a new form of a new technology comes out. A whole series of people say I'm going to create a new company based on this technology and I want you know, I need some early investors. \n\nI need investors to get there, and so there's a whole industry for doing that in Silicon Valley and other places, and so billions are raised, not just for the one you know, not one investment, but for let's say 50 investments. And none of them go anywhere, none of them go anywhere. \n\nDan: You know, nothing happens, okay, but people did make money because it's based on a Ponzi scheme kind of thing that the early investors get paid out by the late investors who end up pulling nothing and everything else. \n\nDean: None of that represents productivity. Right A lot of action, a lot of excitement, a lot of money, but no productivity. And we're seeing that with AI. Goldman Sachs, the big investment bank, came out that, going on two years since open AI, we just don't see that there's any money to be made with this, except if you're like the chip maker, NVIDIA. \n\nThey make a lot of money and they're very productive, and I think the reason is that I think that AI, if I look at the next 10 years, I think it's going to be very effective, it's going to be very useful and it's going to be very important for solving complexity problems that we already have on the planet. Okay, and you know, a great example is just large city congestion complexity, like Toronto, I think, may have the worst traffic congestion in North America. \n\nDan:\nI did notice a big difference in that, even in the five years since I was there. \n\nDean: Yeah. And the main reason is that they're making new cars, but they're not making new roads. \n\nDan: Yeah, and I noticed that they've actually added a lot of bike lanes too, which have taken out some of the actual lanes. \n\nDean: Yeah, Actual lanes, yeah, yeah, so without some new kind of solution to congestion and I think AI is the perfect tool for this and that all the traffic lights, all the traffic lights in the city are a single system and you're just changing the frequency of the lights changing and everything around the car changing the frequency of the lights changing and everything around the country, and there's a sort of a master view, how you know you can reduce the amount of people just stuck in the city by 40% if we just get all the lights. That's a complexity problem. \n\nDan: You know and for example. \n\nDean: The other thing is they haven't. You know, for all. The study of weather is probably the most complex system that we have on the planet and to this day they have no notion what effect clouds have on climate. You know they don't. They really. Clouds are just very complex. So if you had the ability to, I mean, they know different types of clouds and different things that happen when you have different types of clouds. They know that, but there's no unification of their understanding of the cloud system. \n\nAnd so you'd have to apply it to that. Now, you're not creating anything new with this. You're solving an existing problem. With this, you're solving an existing problem. My sense is that the best use of technology is always to solve some problem that you already have not create a new opportunity that's interesting. \n\nDan: So maybe that's how I mean yeah, go ahead. I was just saying maybe that's how I should be thinking about my relationship with juniper yeah, what? \n\nDean:what complexity problems do you have? \n\nDan: Exactly what complexity problems do I already have that Juniper could solve for me? \n\nDean: Yeah, like getting out of bed in the morning. That's a complexity problem. When does my first coffee arrive? Exactly yeah, why am I still thinking about this? Why at this late date. \n\nDan: Oh man, that is so funny. \n\nDean: It is funny. \n\nDan: The funny thing is I posted up on Facebook right before we got on our podcast today. I took a picture of my. I have these. I have these Four Seasons Valhalla coffee cups and I took a. I made a coffee before our here and I posted up a picture of it right Pre-podcast caffeination, prior to the prior to our podcast here. So I'm fully caffeinated. I'm on the, I'm on the juice. \n\nDean: Yeah, I will tell you this. Chris Johnson, great thinker in the FreeZone program he's got it's not his system, he's licensed his system from someone else but he had 32 callers to set up meetings with their primary salespeople for his company and he's in the placement business. He finds really good high-level people to go into construction companies and engineering companies. And he was telling us that his 32 human callers could make 5,500 phone calls and produce a certain result in a day of phoning. \n\nAnd since he's brought in his AI system, they can do 5,500 in an hour and produce a better result of people agreeing to phone calls. Well, that's productivity. \n\nDan: Yeah, I guess. So yeah, pretty amazing huh. \n\nDean: And he let go his 32 humans. Oh, my goodness. Wow, so this is AI making outbound phone calls? These are all AI and they've got complete voice capability of responding to responses and everything else. And then they get better every day. They have sort of upgrades every day for it. And that's productivity, that's productivity. \n\nDan: Yeah, there's, yeah, that's a. That's an amazing story. An amazing story, I mean, you start to see, I just look at the things, even when we had the AI panel at FreeZone in Palm Beach. You're just seeing the things, even what Mike Kamix is able to create and the things that Lior is doing. You just think, man. \n\nDean: I think we're early. \n\nDan: Yeah, absolutely, we're early. \n\nDean: Yeah, I mean I think we're in the first or second year of the internet with us, right? \n\nDan: Exactly, I agree. That's why I say, that's why, in my summation here, I'm kind of thinking you know 2025, give it another 18 months. It's only 18 months old now when you really think about it. Right, this is it's 18 months, and give it another 18 months and we'll see that people you're already starting to see that people are taking the AI capabilities and they're honing it into an interface. That is, a logo maker, for instance, or AI. You know that it's already honed into the ability to specialize in making logos based on your prompts, or and I think that's where that's what I meant by the interface moment is people are going to start carving out, packaging very specific outcomes from the capabilities. Like, if we have these capabilities, what can we do and just deliver that specific outcome, rather than the capability to create that outcome that's why it's funny that that's kind of parallel to what I've been saying. \n\nI've seen people that are taking and training large language models based on your you know, all of the you know let's call it all the Dan Sullivan content that's been out there and then touting it as you know, having Dan Sullivan in your pocket, that you can ask Dan anything of it in your pocket, that you can ask Dan anything. But I think the ability to ask you anything isn't as useful as the ability to have Dan ask you things. Yes, I think that's the question. \n\nDean: So in the last quarterly book, and the one we're finishing right now. So it was everything is created backward, where the tool we featured was the triple play, and then the next one is called casting, not hiring, where the tool is the four by four casting tool. We call it the four by four casting tool, and this is where I'm asking them questions. \n\nDan: Right, okay. \n\nDean: I don't see any value whatsoever of them asking me questions. \n\nDan: Right. \n\nDean: Because I'm not getting the benefit of the question. Some software program is handling it, so I'm not learning anything and I've got a rule that I don't involve myself in any activity where I don't learn something new. \n\nDan: Okay. \n\nDean: So there's getting the benefits, but plus we'd be competing with ourselves. \n\nDan: I love it All, right Well off, we go. \n\nDean: I will phone you next week I'll be at the cottage. I'll be looking out at a mystic blue lake while I'm talking. \n\nDan: Oh, wow. \n\nDean: It's really good yeah. \n\nDan: Awesome. Well, have a great week, okay, and I'll talk to you next week. Thanks, thanks, dan. Bye. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we have a thought-provoking discussion around AI and its future implications. We introduce Juniper, an advanced voice-based AI capable of tasks from writing to coding, giving insight into emerging technologies. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe explore impacts like the attention economy, where value emerges without physical costs. Success stories like Mr. Beast showcase uniqueness and AI\u0026#39;s potential to tackle real issues. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe episode delivers a well-rounded look at AI capacities and societal changes. References to early smartphone adoption phases parallel today\u0026#39;s AI capabilities. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul style=\"list-style-type: circle;\"\u003e\n\u003c/center\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe discuss the potential of voice-based GPT-4.0 AI, specifically highlighting \"Juniper\" with a Scarlett Johansson-like voice, and its various applications from writing to coding.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe compare the current adoption of AI to the early days of smartphones, emphasizing that we are only beginning to understand AI's full capabilities.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe explore historical productivity trends, noting a decline since 1975, and question whether modern technology truly enhances productivity or just alters our perception of it.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe debate the role of technology giants like Mark Zuckerberg and Tesla in shaping productivity and economic measurement.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe reflect on the mid-20th century advancements such as electrification and infrastructure, and compare them to today's computing power and its economic impact.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe discuss the concept of the attention economy and the creation of value from digital products without physical production costs, using digital creators like Mr. Beast as examples.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe consider the potential of AI in solving real-world problems such as city traffic congestion and climate understanding, rather than just creating new opportunities.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe emphasize the importance of practical solutions and specific use cases to fully leverage the capabilities of advanced AI technologies.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe touch on the economic shifts in the digital era, including the rise of digital transactions and the non-tangible realm of digital innovation.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe highlight the unique nature of success in the digital world, using examples like Mr. Beast and Taylor Swift, and discuss the challenges and opportunities presented by new technologies.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Sullivan, who is that person that gives the directions when we start the podcast? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I\u0026#39;m not sure the one that says this podcast this call may be. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You are the first one on this conference phone call, oh my goodness, who is she? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Who is she? She\u0026#39;s a bot. She\u0026#39;s not real. She\u0026#39;s a bot. She\u0026#39;s not real. She\u0026#39;s not real. She\u0026#39;s not real, she doesn\u0026#39;t sound. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve heard worse sounding bots. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Dan, I have been experimenting, playing around with chat GPT-4.0. And I use it primarily in voice mode, meaning, you know, I just say things to it and it has an amazing Scarlett Johansson-like voice that has zero, not at all like Siri or Alexa. You know where those voices definitely sound like. They are bots. This, my GPT-4O I think her name\u0026#39;s Juniper is the voice that I chose. She sounds like a real person, I mean, and has like real tone, real inflection, real like conversational feeling to it and I realized that I don\u0026#39;t think we really understand what we have here. I mean, I look at it and I think, imagine if that was a real person. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, when you say we, who are you talking about? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean the collective royal we I I\u0026#39;m sorry I\u0026#39;ve never been around yeah, I just think we as a when I say we, we as a society or we as the people collectively using this, it reminds me of this Seinfeld episode where Kramer got this or Jerry got his dad, this wizard organizer, and they always use it as a tip calculator, like the least of all the functions that it has. They\u0026#39;re just excited that it\u0026#39;s a tip calculator, and I feel like that\u0026#39;s the current level of my adoption of Juniper. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think the big thing is what you let\u0026#39;s say, a year from now, level of my adoption of Juniper, you know, yeah, I think the big thing is what you let\u0026#39;s say a year from now. You\u0026#39;re using Juniper for a year. What do you think will be different as a result of having this capability, new capability? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think it\u0026#39;s operator, you know, I think it\u0026#39;s operator dependent, you know, I think it\u0026#39;s up to me what I think if you said to me. You know, I think it\u0026#39;s up to me what I think if you said to me listen, I\u0026#39;d like to introduce you to Juniper. She\u0026#39;s going to come here and she\u0026#39;ll be within. She\u0026#39;s going to follow you around. She\u0026#39;s going to be here within three feet of you or discreetly out of sight, whatever you, but whenever you call she\u0026#39;ll be right there. She is a graduate level. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eShe is a graduate level student. She could pass the bar. She knows everything that\u0026#39;s ever been recorded, she speaks every language. She never sleeps, she can write, she can draw, she can do graphics, she can do coding Whatever you like, and she\u0026#39;s yours 20 to a month. Have fun, yeah, do you think you\u0026#39;d use it Well? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ethat\u0026#39;s my question is that it feels like I\u0026#39;m not using it and I have it. That\u0026#39;s essentially what I have. I\u0026#39;ve got it in my pocket. You know how they said. You know the iPod was launched with the promise of a thousand songs in your pocket. Well, I think this is really like. You know, an MBA or a PhD or whatever you want in your pocket is essentially what we have, and I find it very interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I think it\u0026#39;s unique, you know, and it\u0026#39;s brand new. But what problem did you have that this solves? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think that it\u0026#39;s not per se a problem, but I think that we\u0026#39;re I really have been observing and thinking, and I\u0026#39;ve said it you know in lots of our conversations, that I think that 2020, you know, if we take the 50-year period from 1975 to 2025, that we\u0026#39;ve pretty much set the stage now for a new plateau launch pad kind of at the same time. I don\u0026#39;t. I think that once we understand and people you know, I think it\u0026#39;s almost like the iPhone had the app store, that became what Peter Diamandis called the interface moment. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eRight, that was the you know, that allowed, once people realized that the capabilities of the iPhone to both measure geographically where you are at any precisely at any moment, the gyro thing that can detect movement, the sound, the camera capabilities, the touch screen, all of those things, Well, people realized what the baseline capabilities of the phone were. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey were able to architect very specific, you know, starting with games very specific ways to use the capabilities that are very specific ways to use the capabilities that are built into the phone and I think that right now it\u0026#39;s almost like it can do anything, and I think that we need to figure out the very specific use cases and I think we\u0026#39;ll see people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You keep saying we, but I don\u0026#39;t think we is going to do it. I think you know, who we are. Do we have a cell phone number? Do we have a street address? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, I think you\u0026#39;re having a very interesting personal experience with the new technology. Yeah, I don\u0026#39;t know, I don\u0026#39;t know if anybody else is going to be in on this, but the big thing is, how are you going to set it up so that you can prove that this is valuable? I mean, let\u0026#39;s say, three months from now the time you come back to. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eToronto for your next strategic coach pre-zone workshop things you\u0026#39;re going to test out and see if the inclusion of this spot with a very sexy Scarlett Johansson voice. This isn\u0026#39;t the issue that she sued somebody for. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it\u0026#39;s, I don\u0026#39;t know actually this voice is. It\u0026#39;s not exactly her, but it\u0026#39;s, you know, it\u0026#39;s that tone and things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So yeah, so. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t know that. It\u0026#39;s a pleasing voice, much more pleasing and personal than Siri or Alexa, for instance. Yeah, but yeah, I think you\u0026#39;re absolutely right it does come down to and I think that\u0026#39;s where the paralysis of you know the it can do anything, but you know what would be you know where my mind goes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s which, how that I already have, but am I going to assign this capability to so that I don\u0026#39;t have to spend any time whatsoever interacting with this bot? But my who\u0026#39;s a you know who\u0026#39;s a live human being working for a strategic coach would that person actually work? Do this, you know, and actually and I tested out for three months what are you getting done faster? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo, for example, we have an AI newsletter that rewrites itself every two weeks and chooses new content, designs it and goes out and it uses up one hour of my Linda Spencer, who\u0026#39;s one of my team members on the marketing team, and it\u0026#39;s very interesting, I mean we have about 2000 people who read it and they grade it and everything like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut the only thing I have to do every two weeks she said here\u0026#39;s the news, here\u0026#39;s the results from the last newsletter, here\u0026#39;s the design and contents of the next newsletter, yes or no? And I\u0026#39;ll go through. I say, yeah, looks good, send it out, right. Yeah, now, that\u0026#39;s not freeing me up, because we never had this capability before. It\u0026#39;s a new capability, right, and it\u0026#39;s been going for about nine months now and people will talk to me about it and you know everything like that and everything like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut I haven\u0026#39;t seen that it\u0026#39;s made a huge difference in the crucial numbers of strategic coach, which are marketing calls. Are we generating great leads that people are talking to us about? Are they signing up for the program? Are they whatever? So the normal measurements. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo I think, with any technology, the first thing I would establish before I got interested in the technology is what are the crucial numbers that we have that tell me that our business and myself are moving forward? And then, whatever I\u0026#39;m going to use the new technology for, it has to have an impact on those numbers. Yeah, I think that\u0026#39;s yeah, because you know the amount of productivity. I\u0026#39;ll use the United States as an example. You mentioned 1975 to 2025, 50 years of individual productivity in the United States was much higher in the 50 years before 1975, since it has been for the last 50 years since 1975. Even though there are these amazing books and that about how productivity is going through the world with the microchip. But the actual numbers which are gathered by the US government, the US Treasury Department, us Department of Labor, indicates that the level of individual productivity has actually gone down in the last 50 years even though the excitement level of productivity has gone through the roof. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e By what measurement? What are they deciding? Is product? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Dollars of economic activity per hour per worker. Okay, that\u0026#39;s how productivity is measured. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e The number of workers. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You have the number of hours they work and the amount of economic dollars that their hour of activity produces. The productivity was much higher total for the entire all workers. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But is it all productivity or personal productivity? Like are you saying no all? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e productivity? No, the entire GDP of the economy, measured by the number of workers. Yeah, okay by the number of workers it\u0026#39;s going down, it\u0026#39;s down. No, yeah, since 1975, it\u0026#39;s not as great as it was from 1925 to 1975. So that 50-year period the productivity levels in the United States were bigger than the last 50 years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow, that seems. That\u0026#39;s surprising. What do you think that means? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, a lot of people are really excited and involving themselves in technological activity that produces absolutely no productivity. Yeah, they\u0026#39;re very excited, they\u0026#39;re very excited and they\u0026#39;re getting very emotionally connected to this activity. But you know, I\u0026#39;m not saying that\u0026#39;s not a great thing, I\u0026#39;m not. Maybe they\u0026#39;re having more fun, Maybe they\u0026#39;re you know, maybe they have. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e What actually counts as GDP. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, GDP is amount of sales amount of sales. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, so would the advertising sales that Mark Zuckerberg makes for Facebook count as GDP, or is it only in physical, like you know, shippable goods, or whatever? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, whatever, uh, you have a dollar spent on something that constitutes a sale to sale. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, so advertising, so Google and Facebook and Netflix and all of those things count as GDP? Sure, okay, all right, then that seems impossible. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It seems impossible, but it\u0026#39;s true. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s pretty wild. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah yeah. I\u0026#39;m not saying that Mark Zuckerberg isn\u0026#39;t making a lot of money. I\u0026#39;m not saying Mark. Zuckerberg isn\u0026#39;t productive. My feeling is that the technology is created, makes a lot of other people non-productive. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and I wonder I mean that\u0026#39;s a do you think you know if you measured that in terms of the total population versus the workforce? Is that what? In terms of the total population versus the workforce, is that what you know? I\u0026#39;m just looking for some explanation of this right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Somewhere along the line, there has to be an economic transaction for it to constitute and everything else. See, this is the difference. Yeah and everything else See this is the difference? China talks about its GDP, but they don\u0026#39;t use the same term that everybody else in the world uses. They use the economic value of what they\u0026#39;ve produced. So they can produce a million machines and they\u0026#39;re sitting in a warehouse and they count that as GDP gross domestic product. But there was no sale, it\u0026#39;s, you know, they spend it, it was an economic activity. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere was a transaction there, but there was no sale. So I think that\u0026#39;s the big thing. It doesn\u0026#39;t count unless there\u0026#39;s a sale. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e GDP, doesn\u0026#39;t it? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e doesn\u0026#39;t count as GDP unless there\u0026#39;s a sale. Somebody makes money, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, money Okay, yeah, yeah, I mean, it\u0026#39;s pretty. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I\u0026#39;m not saying it\u0026#39;s not exciting. And here\u0026#39;s the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Maybe it\u0026#39;s an A\u0026amp;I, it\u0026#39;s what I would R\u0026amp;D stage. The last 50 years have been R\u0026amp;D stage. For the next 50 years, which are going to be 100 times bigger of GDP. Okay, that may happen, but it\u0026#39;s not happening yet. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, I mean it\u0026#39;s pretty, yeah, it\u0026#39;s pretty wild. I mean you can definitely see, like the capabilities of you know, you can definitely see this replacing many customer service interactions, for sure. For instance, it\u0026#39;s like a you can definitely see that going away, that there\u0026#39;s not going to be a need for humans manning a customer service telephone center, for instance you know, yeah, I mean if it\u0026#39;s good, I mean if it\u0026#39;s good you know, and it depends upon the service that\u0026#39;s being talked about, but if it\u0026#39;s good, you know, maybe it does See, efficiency is not effectiveness. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, and effectiveness is that you made a sale. Efficiency is we took all the activities leading up to a sale and we made them more, faster and easier. Yeah, the question is did you get a sale out of it? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Mm-hmm. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Mm-hmm, yeah, so. I don\u0026#39;t know, but I think there\u0026#39;s a bit of a magician show going with a lot of different kinds of technology, you know. I mean, it was like somebody was saying, you know, they were talking about EVs and specifically they were talking about a Tesla, and specifically they were talking about a Tesla. And he says do you know how much faster zero to 60 is in a Tesla than any gas-powered? Or you know, and I said, to tell you the truth, I don\u0026#39;t know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e To tell you the truth. You know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Geez, you know All the things I\u0026#39;ve been thinking about since last Monday. I\u0026#39;m sorry, I just didn\u0026#39;t get to that one Anyway. And he says well, it\u0026#39;s easily a second faster. I said good. I said now, where do you do this? There isn\u0026#39;t any way. We\u0026#39;re in greater Toronto, the area of greater. Toronto 6 million people, where you can go from 0 to 60 on a city street in two seconds. You know and everything like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHe said, yeah, but boy, you know, I mean, just think of that, how much faster you can go. And I said, yeah, but Teslas don\u0026#39;t go any faster in Toronto than any other car, that\u0026#39;s true, and usually they\u0026#39;re stopped. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s exactly right yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So I think the Tech Magic Show, I think it multiplies people\u0026#39;s imagination, but it doesn\u0026#39;t multiply their results. You know, I think there\u0026#39;s something about it. And I think this is great. I mean what you\u0026#39;re telling me. I\u0026#39;ve had some really boring people on the other end of a phone call and Scarlett Johansson would really liven it up a little bit. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Absolutely yeah, yeah, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I was noticing that Cleveland hired Jack Nicholson and they still use it. It must have been 20 years ago. All the announcements, the regular announcements like don\u0026#39;t leave your bags unattended, and things like that, oh right. There\u0026#39;s a whole bunch of just what I would call airport announcements, and they have Jack Nicholson doing it and you stop and listen every time it starts. You know it\u0026#39;s very effective and I\u0026#39;m sure and I\u0026#39;m sure Scarlett, I\u0026#39;m sure Scarlett Johansson would do a good job too. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, it\u0026#39;s so, it\u0026#39;s so funny. I mean, that seems. I\u0026#39;m just dumbfounded by the fact that productivity has decreased in the 50 years that we\u0026#39;re talking about here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah Well, think of the 50 years, though, and you gave me that great book. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you gave me the book that was 1900 to 1950, 1925. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But 1925 to 1975, the entire country was being electrified. They\u0026#39;re laying in lines and everybody was the farm that I was on. I was born in 1944. That farm was electrified in 1928. So it was only 16 years that they had electricity. Right, and you know they were putting in the entire water systems. The Tennessee Valley Authority was putting in all these dams and the electric plants. You know Lake Mead as a result of the Hoover Dam. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey were putting in all those dams and that just produced enormous jumps and the cars were going in, the gas systems, all the infrastructure for gasoline was going in. It was just a monstrously productive period of time. And then all the production that went into the second world war, which they then had as productive capability after the war stopped and so they had all the manufacturing capabilities you know and you know and so. But there\u0026#39;s to see the thing is, the real jump that\u0026#39;s happened is the jump in computing. There\u0026#39;s no question. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e There\u0026#39;s been a monstrous jump. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s a billion times since 1970. It\u0026#39;s a billion times. That doesn\u0026#39;t translate into money, and money is what productivity is based on. How much more money are you making per hour of human labor? How much more money are you making for our human labor? Now maybe somebody will say well, we got to start counting the robots in our GDP. Something is doing work. Yeah, Just I mean wow, wow, wow, the only problem with you know the only thing about robots, though they\u0026#39;re shitty consumers. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, exactly that\u0026#39;s so funny. Yeah, they don\u0026#39;t buy anything you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, A computer is a good worker, you know. It doesn\u0026#39;t take breaks, doesn\u0026#39;t get sick you know doesn\u0026#39;t form unions anything. You know it doesn\u0026#39;t go home, it doesn\u0026#39;t have a house, doesn\u0026#39;t have furnishings doesn\u0026#39;t need furniture doesn\u0026#39;t go out to eat. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, right. We\u0026#39;re definitely in a stage right now where there\u0026#39;s opportunities more than ever for economic alchemy, creating money out of nothing, seemingly compared to 1975. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI\u0026#39;m not sure how that happened, I think, since in the digital world we\u0026#39;re essentially creating money out of ether, you know, out of attention, even in a way that if we just take the attention economy or the portion of the money that is derived from the advertising world in, where it was print ads, television ads, radio ads those were things that were kind of happening in 19, right and, but they were selling sort of physical goods, whereas now I remember having a conversation with Eben Pagan about this, when I did a book Stop your Divorce in 1998, when it was when PDFs were just coming to be a thing where you could create a digital document that didn\u0026#39;t require printing a physical book and you could email that or somebody could download it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I just realized that you know, in that we\u0026#39;ve literally sold $5 million of a picture of a book not physically printing. These thousands and thousands of books, it\u0026#39;s literally no zero physical good. That\u0026#39;s why I wondered about whether the GDP is only measuring you, because we\u0026#39;re definitely in a time where you can create money from nothing and the way that was driven was from Google AdWords. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You can\u0026#39;t create anything from nothing. No, I mean nothing physical, any. You can\u0026#39;t create any. I don\u0026#39;t think you can create anything from nothing there. No, I mean okay, nothing physical. Okay, that\u0026#39;s what I mean. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, like you look at it, that the book, you know we created the book and turned it into a pdf that was put on a website that there\u0026#39;s no physical manifestation of it\u0026#39;s, only digital. You can only see it online. People would search on Google for save my marriage or how to stop a divorce, or any of the keywords we could magically get in front of those people on their screen. They could click oh, stop your divorce, how do I do that? They click on that. They read this digital. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt didn\u0026#39;t cost anything other than what was paid for was that we paid google for the, you know, for sending that, you know the ability to display that person, that opportunity to somebody. We paid google every time somebody clicked on that ad and then they would buy the book and it would automatically take them to a page to download the book. There was no inter, no human interaction and no physical exchange. It was all 100 digital and that was where, you know, I started referring to that as alchemy, really like creating money out of of bits. You know, yeah, yeah, that\u0026#39;s so that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think there\u0026#39;s no I think there\u0026#39;s uh no question that we\u0026#39;ve moved into a what I call a non-tangible realm of creating value, creating property and everything else, but at the end of the day it all adds up somewhere where this constitutes an economic transaction and as far as the accountants care, they don\u0026#39;t care whether it was something physical or sold or everything. There\u0026#39;s taxes that are taken out of that. I don\u0026#39;t see the remarkable difference. You\u0026#39;re using a different medium, but there is work that goes into that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd you had a big payoff with one, but there were another thousand people right at the same time you were doing that and their results? They put in a lot of work, they put in a lot of effort and it didn\u0026#39;t produce any money whatsoever. Efforts go into GDP, your efforts go into GDP and there\u0026#39;s way more of them than there is of you. So it brings you the overall results down and you know so and we kind of know. We kind of know that. You know productivity numbers. You know, like, on a year I know people talk about well, that productivity is going to go up by 20% as a result of that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWell, that may be true for a single company, but that\u0026#39;s not true for the industry they\u0026#39;re in, because their new thing going up by 20% may actually make obsolete 5 or 6 or 20 other companies who have had productivity that a year before, but now they have no productivity at all. So their loss of productivity is balanced against the gain of productivity. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s interesting. I guess you think about that. That could be true in all the casualties of the digital transition here, right Like, what do you look at? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, certainly the advertising world, certainly the advertising world, I mean before Mark Zuckerberg and before Google, newspapers like the New York Times. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Daily. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Edition was very thick. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And half of it was advertising. Now it\u0026#39;s very thin okay because, they don\u0026#39;t have the same. Yeah, but there\u0026#39;s winners and losers, you know, in this, and you have a technological breakthrough, you have far more losers than you do winners. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I\u0026#39;m looking at like I was just listening to an interview with that Tucker Carlson did with someone I forget who, some former CBS correspondent you know, and they were talking about the new. You know what\u0026#39;s really changed now is the reach capabilities you know, like Tucker really primarily being on his own platform but using the reach of x has, you know it\u0026#39;s the audience is accessible to everybody, as opposed to him in the beginning of their careers, the only way to get reach was to be signed to a, a digital, or assigned to a traditional network where the eyeballs were. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut, now the eyeballs are accessible to everybody and it really becomes these are my words, but it\u0026#39;s more of a meritocracy in a way that you\u0026#39;re you know that it\u0026#39;s available for everybody. The cream definitely can rise to the top if you\u0026#39;ve got a voice that people resonate with. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean, and Tucker\u0026#39;s a star, tucker\u0026#39;s a star. He\u0026#39;s got his following, he\u0026#39;s got probably a couple million followers. Whatever he was big when he was on Fox and he had the top numbers on Fox and everything like that, but there aren\u0026#39;t two of them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, and you can\u0026#39;t replace him with an AI either. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No, but what I mean is we pick out the winners. It takes a lot of losers to get to a winner, you know and I think this is more extreme in the Cloudlandia world than it is in the physical world- you know. I mean, I think there\u0026#39;s a thing called network effect and the network effect is you can only have one Amazon. Basically, you can only have one Amazon. Because, the nature of Amazon is to suck everybody\u0026#39;s customers up into one destination. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere aren\u0026#39;t five Amazons competing with each other, and that\u0026#39;s what digital does. A person like Taylor Swift couldn\u0026#39;t have existed 20 years ago. They wouldn\u0026#39;t have had the reach. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s true, and she\u0026#39;s got the reach today. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean she\u0026#39;s coming along and she\u0026#39;s got a lot of things going for her. She\u0026#39;s very attractive, she\u0026#39;s very productive, she pumps out songs all the time and the songs seem to resonate with a mood in the public right now. And everybody\u0026#39;s got their cell phones and everybody\u0026#39;s got that. And what I\u0026#39;m saying is, if you have one Taylor Swift, you can\u0026#39;t have two. Well, yeah, that\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean it\u0026#39;s, I wonder you start to see that she\u0026#39;s just a, she\u0026#39;s one voice, right Like I look at, I\u0026#39;ve been following rabbit holes like up the chain. You know and I start so Taylor Swift is a good example that many of her biggest hits and biggest success have been in collaboration with Max Martin, who is a producer who I often talk about and refer. Second, he\u0026#39;s got the second biggest number of number one songs to his credit, right behind. He just passed Paul McCartney or John Lennon, and only Paul McCartney is ahead of him. Now he\u0026#39;s about five songs behind Paul McCartney. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWhat I realized is, you know, there\u0026#39;s a way that it\u0026#39;s kind of like you get max martin\u0026#39;s voice is really what is, you know, behind most of the the most popular music, or much of the most popular music, and yet not many people could pick him out of a lineup. And then then I went another layer up. It just dawned on me, like in the last couple of weeks here, that the real catalyst to Max Martin\u0026#39;s success was Clive Davis. Who is? Do you know who? Clive Davis is the former, or still, record executive. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e He was the head of so far, your records so far. So far, you\u0026#39;re introducing me to a lot of new people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, great well, I, I just love this that. You know, max martin, I\u0026#39;ve been saying, as that\u0026#39;s the thing, like you think about one thing Max Martin\u0026#39;s one thing has been making hit records. Right, that\u0026#39;s all he\u0026#39;s done. Making pop songs since 1996, or what is first number one. But if you trace it all the way back, the catalyst to it because he was in Sweden, there was a group years ago called Ace of Bass and they had a number one song. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut when you go all the way back to how that happened, it was because Clive Davis, who was the head of Columbia Records and all its subsidiaries, arista and Jay Records, and all its subsidiaries, arista and J Records and all of these things, he found that song. He\u0026#39;s like a guesser and better. He was guessing that song is going to be a hit and he signed Ace of Base to bring them to America. So he plucked this obscure Swedish band out of and brought them to America and on the wave of that, created the opportunity for Max Martin to work with all these great artists that happened to be under the direction of Clive Davis. And if you go even one layer beyond that, the guy that owns Bertelsmann, you know G Music Group in Germany. They own almost all the record labels, kind of thing. It\u0026#39;s him seeing Clive Davis and putting up a million dollars for Clive Davis to start this record label. It\u0026#39;s amazing that it all, kind of you know, goes back to capital allocation. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But the big thing is none of that has to do with any productivity. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s the thing I wonder, you know, I mean that really. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No, well, what you\u0026#39;re talking about is. You mentioned a name. Yes, and he does this and he\u0026#39;s very successful and he\u0026#39;s famous for being successful. But at the same time that he was doing what he was doing, there were 9,999 who were waiting on tables and doing this on weekends and nights, yeah, okay, and they weren\u0026#39;t making any money at all. So what. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI\u0026#39;m saying is when you pick a winner out and you see, see how productive they are using new technology you also have to account for the people who are using the new technology and not making any money at all, and therefore it\u0026#39;s not more productive. Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And I mean, you know we haven\u0026#39;t talked about him for a while, Mr Beast. Yeah, and people say, see what you can do when you\u0026#39;re 18? You won\u0026#39;t see anything because he\u0026#39;s so unique. And he has such a set of circumstances that there\u0026#39;s nothing that he does that is repeatable by another person. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, yeah, he just became just in the last, I haven\u0026#39;t heard anything about him. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Is he still doing stuff? I don\u0026#39;t know. Is he still doing stuff? I don\u0026#39;t know. Is he still doing stuff? Yeah, yeah, he just became. Or is he retired at 28? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No full steam ahead. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e He\u0026#39;s got a 300-foot. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e He just became the number one subscribed channel in the world. He was the number one individual but there was this T-Series channel in India, which wasn\u0026#39;t a person a different thing. Now he\u0026#39;s the number one thing. He\u0026#39;s now working on an Amazon show. He\u0026#39;s taking his stuff to to amazon still full steam ahead with his, with his videos, but he\u0026#39;s doing a big game show series in uh with under the amazon banner yeah, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e it\u0026#39;s really interesting because you know again I go back that it seems to me that a lot you know and I\u0026#39;ve made this statement before is that a new technology comes out, or a new form of a new technology comes out. A whole series of people say I\u0026#39;m going to create a new company based on this technology and I want you know, I need some early investors. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI need investors to get there, and so there\u0026#39;s a whole industry for doing that in Silicon Valley and other places, and so billions are raised, not just for the one you know, not one investment, but for let\u0026#39;s say 50 investments. And none of them go anywhere, none of them go anywhere. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, nothing happens, okay, but people did make money because it\u0026#39;s based on a Ponzi scheme kind of thing that the early investors get paid out by the late investors who end up pulling nothing and everything else. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e None of that represents productivity. Right A lot of action, a lot of excitement, a lot of money, but no productivity. And we\u0026#39;re seeing that with AI. Goldman Sachs, the big investment bank, came out that, going on two years since open AI, we just don\u0026#39;t see that there\u0026#39;s any money to be made with this, except if you\u0026#39;re like the chip maker, NVIDIA. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey make a lot of money and they\u0026#39;re very productive, and I think the reason is that I think that AI, if I look at the next 10 years, I think it\u0026#39;s going to be very effective, it\u0026#39;s going to be very useful and it\u0026#39;s going to be very important for solving complexity problems that we already have on the planet. Okay, and you know, a great example is just large city congestion complexity, like Toronto, I think, may have the worst traffic congestion in North America. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI did notice a big difference in that, even in the five years since I was there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. And the main reason is that they\u0026#39;re making new cars, but they\u0026#39;re not making new roads. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and I noticed that they\u0026#39;ve actually added a lot of bike lanes too, which have taken out some of the actual lanes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, Actual lanes, yeah, yeah, so without some new kind of solution to congestion and I think AI is the perfect tool for this and that all the traffic lights, all the traffic lights in the city are a single system and you\u0026#39;re just changing the frequency of the lights changing and everything around the car changing the frequency of the lights changing and everything around the country, and there\u0026#39;s a sort of a master view, how you know you can reduce the amount of people just stuck in the city by 40% if we just get all the lights. That\u0026#39;s a complexity problem. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know and for example. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e The other thing is they haven\u0026#39;t. You know, for all. The study of weather is probably the most complex system that we have on the planet and to this day they have no notion what effect clouds have on climate. You know they don\u0026#39;t. They really. Clouds are just very complex. So if you had the ability to, I mean, they know different types of clouds and different things that happen when you have different types of clouds. They know that, but there\u0026#39;s no unification of their understanding of the cloud system. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd so you\u0026#39;d have to apply it to that. Now, you\u0026#39;re not creating anything new with this. You\u0026#39;re solving an existing problem. With this, you\u0026#39;re solving an existing problem. My sense is that the best use of technology is always to solve some problem that you already have not create a new opportunity that\u0026#39;s interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So maybe that\u0026#39;s how I mean yeah, go ahead. I was just saying maybe that\u0026#39;s how I should be thinking about my relationship with juniper yeah, what? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003ewhat complexity problems do you have? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Exactly what complexity problems do I already have that Juniper could solve for me? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, like getting out of bed in the morning. That\u0026#39;s a complexity problem. When does my first coffee arrive? Exactly yeah, why am I still thinking about this? Why at this late date. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh man, that is so funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It is funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The funny thing is I posted up on Facebook right before we got on our podcast today. I took a picture of my. I have these. I have these Four Seasons Valhalla coffee cups and I took a. I made a coffee before our here and I posted up a picture of it right Pre-podcast caffeination, prior to the prior to our podcast here. So I\u0026#39;m fully caffeinated. I\u0026#39;m on the, I\u0026#39;m on the juice. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I will tell you this. Chris Johnson, great thinker in the FreeZone program he\u0026#39;s got it\u0026#39;s not his system, he\u0026#39;s licensed his system from someone else but he had 32 callers to set up meetings with their primary salespeople for his company and he\u0026#39;s in the placement business. He finds really good high-level people to go into construction companies and engineering companies. And he was telling us that his 32 human callers could make 5,500 phone calls and produce a certain result in a day of phoning. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd since he\u0026#39;s brought in his AI system, they can do 5,500 in an hour and produce a better result of people agreeing to phone calls. Well, that\u0026#39;s productivity. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I guess. So yeah, pretty amazing huh. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And he let go his 32 humans. Oh, my goodness. Wow, so this is AI making outbound phone calls? These are all AI and they\u0026#39;ve got complete voice capability of responding to responses and everything else. And then they get better every day. They have sort of upgrades every day for it. And that\u0026#39;s productivity, that\u0026#39;s productivity. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, there\u0026#39;s, yeah, that\u0026#39;s a. That\u0026#39;s an amazing story. An amazing story, I mean, you start to see, I just look at the things, even when we had the AI panel at FreeZone in Palm Beach. You\u0026#39;re just seeing the things, even what Mike Kamix is able to create and the things that Lior is doing. You just think, man. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think we\u0026#39;re early. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, absolutely, we\u0026#39;re early. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean I think we\u0026#39;re in the first or second year of the internet with us, right? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Exactly, I agree. That\u0026#39;s why I say, that\u0026#39;s why, in my summation here, I\u0026#39;m kind of thinking you know 2025, give it another 18 months. It\u0026#39;s only 18 months old now when you really think about it. Right, this is it\u0026#39;s 18 months, and give it another 18 months and we\u0026#39;ll see that people you\u0026#39;re already starting to see that people are taking the AI capabilities and they\u0026#39;re honing it into an interface. That is, a logo maker, for instance, or AI. You know that it\u0026#39;s already honed into the ability to specialize in making logos based on your prompts, or and I think that\u0026#39;s where that\u0026#39;s what I meant by the interface moment is people are going to start carving out, packaging very specific outcomes from the capabilities. Like, if we have these capabilities, what can we do and just deliver that specific outcome, rather than the capability to create that outcome that\u0026#39;s why it\u0026#39;s funny that that\u0026#39;s kind of parallel to what I\u0026#39;ve been saying. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI\u0026#39;ve seen people that are taking and training large language models based on your you know, all of the you know let\u0026#39;s call it all the Dan Sullivan content that\u0026#39;s been out there and then touting it as you know, having Dan Sullivan in your pocket, that you can ask Dan anything of it in your pocket, that you can ask Dan anything. But I think the ability to ask you anything isn\u0026#39;t as useful as the ability to have Dan ask you things. Yes, I think that\u0026#39;s the question. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So in the last quarterly book, and the one we\u0026#39;re finishing right now. So it was everything is created backward, where the tool we featured was the triple play, and then the next one is called casting, not hiring, where the tool is the four by four casting tool. We call it the four by four casting tool, and this is where I\u0026#39;m asking them questions. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t see any value whatsoever of them asking me questions. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Because I\u0026#39;m not getting the benefit of the question. Some software program is handling it, so I\u0026#39;m not learning anything and I\u0026#39;ve got a rule that I don\u0026#39;t involve myself in any activity where I don\u0026#39;t learn something new. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So there\u0026#39;s getting the benefits, but plus we\u0026#39;d be competing with ourselves. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I love it All, right Well off, we go. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I will phone you next week I\u0026#39;ll be at the cottage. I\u0026#39;ll be looking out at a mystic blue lake while I\u0026#39;m talking. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, wow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s really good yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Awesome. Well, have a great week, okay, and I\u0026#39;ll talk to you next week. Thanks, thanks, dan. Bye. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we have a thought-provoking discussion around AI and its future implications. We introduce Juniper, an advanced voice-based AI capable of tasks from writing to coding, giving insight into emerging technologies. \r\n\r\n We explore impacts like the attention economy, where value emerges without physical costs. Success stories like Mr. Beast showcase uniqueness and AI's potential to tackle real issues. \r\n\r\nThe episode delivers a well-rounded look at AI capacities and societal changes. References to early smartphone adoption phases parallel today's AI capabilities. \r\n\r\n","date_published":"2024-08-07T08:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/655e94e7-bd9a-42fe-a0a6-3ea2fe4f2e2d.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":45740282,"duration_in_seconds":2858}]},{"id":"d10c0ff5-ec5a-443c-8f9f-26ae74a555c6","title":"Ep129: CoachCon and the Art of Growing Older","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/129","content_text":"In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, I reflect on the successful launch of our inaugural CoachCon conference, which brought together 350 members of the Strategic Coach community in Nashville. \n\nThe vibrant energy of Music City and the exceptional facilities of the Music City Center made for an experience surpassing expectations.\n\nOur discussion centers on cultivating the mental fortitude needed to remain anchored amid future-focused hustle. We connect this to aspects like political endurance while acknowledging the enrichment that unfolding daily actions alone confer on tomorrow's potential.\n\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\n\n\n  We recap the inaugural CoachCon Conference in Nashville, noting the participation of 350 strategic thinkers and our partnership with Agile for event organization.\n  I share my personal stance on cowboy attire and backyard barbecues, highlighting a preference for distinctively non-Western wardrobe choices.\n  We reflect on aging and the evolution of long-term vision, contrasting my early career's short-sightedness with the strategic foresight demonstrated by successful individuals and families.\n  I celebrate another birthday and contemplate the depth of understanding that comes with each passing year, using the experiences of Kathy Ireland as an example of life's cumulative experiences enriching future visions.\n  We explore the importance of journaling and manifesting desires into reality, discussing how projecting our goals into the future contributes to personal growth.\n  The discussion covers the importance of crafting a future-focused vision, especially as one grows older, to avoid feeling diminished with age.\n  We examine the significance of living in the present moment and how our current actions lay the foundation for future success.\n  Personal insights are shared on the perception of time and the possibility of slowing down our experience of it through heightened consciousness.\n  We speculate on political endurance and the uncertainties in the political arena, likening it to a horse race with a focus on the candidates' abilities to sustain a full term.\n  The conversation includes a mention of upcoming travel plans, expressing a commitment to continue these enlightening conversations from wherever life takes us, whether it be a London hotel or a Cleveland suite.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean: Mr Sullivan. \n\nDan: I am back from Nashville. \n\nDean: That's what I hear. I am excited to hear all about it. It looked like a real party it was a total party. Two parties. \n\nDan: Yeah, so providing some context for the listening audience. We had our very first community conference and I say that because you did not get invited unless you were connected to someone in the strategic coach community and it's our first conference of this kind called CoachCon. And as a result of it. I already committed at my birthday party, which was on the second night, two-day conference, second night and I said we're going to have one in 26. So we're thinking we'll do this every two years Okay, that's amazing. \n\nYeah, and we had 350, which was good for, you know, our first experience. \n\nDean: And. \n\nDan: I will say that we're really committed to Nashville. Nashville is just such a great city to have a conference. It's just. The city itself has an enormous amount of energy and the Music City Center is just a marvelous venue. It is so big it staggers your imagination. It's two blocks long by almost two blocks wide, and if you look at it from the air, from above, it looks like a guitar. \n\nDean: Right, right right. \n\nDan: Yeah, which you wouldn't do in Toronto. \n\nDean: It would have no meaning, it would have no meaning. \n\nDan: It would have no meaning in Toronto. Okay, it would. \n\nDean: And anyway I was working with go ahead. I was just going to say not to say that Toronto has a pretty wonderful convention center facility too, downtown, yeah, but Nashville has a great. \n\nDan: Nashville has a great Nashville has a great convention center. That's the truth. Yes, yeah, as a matter of fact, one of the smart moves we made as a company is that we immediately hired a convention conference company called Agile. \n\nI think they're from Kansas City and Minneapolis. They have two branches to their company and so, right from the very beginning, our team members were working with their team members to create the event, and this was a year and a half in planning, and they just are the perfect interface between yourself and then the venue itself, who have their own team. So it's really it's really a triple play of three teams working together to create the event. \n\nDean: And I mean it's such a, it's such an engine. I had such flashbacks, you know, seeing the footage that was coming out of there of the room and the setup and the way everything was. Or you know that we did an event roughly twice that size every month for 14 years. You imagine, like the engine that it takes to put that, to put that on the logistics of it. That was what the main event was. We'd have, you know, 600 or 800 people every month. It was something. \n\nDan: Yeah, are you speaking about one of your? \n\nDean: events. This was with Joe Stumpf when we did the buy referral for the real estate agents. That was what we did. \n\nDan: Oh, that was where you did it, that's where you did it that's where you did it yeah, that's right well, here I'm trying to impress you and you're just tolerating me no, I mean there's some. \n\nDean: There's an exciting energy around a uh, a big event like that. I mean there's, but it's a very different energy. \n\nDan: Yeah, wasn't it in Nashville 14 times. \n\nDean: No, we did. We were all over the country. We did one a month. We did one every month for 14 years. Wow. Yeah exactly so Nashville was in the rotation that's like 168. \n\nDan: That's like 168 conferences. \n\nDean: Yeah, we did over 200, actually is what it was, but that was like a circus coming to town every month, every month, yeah. \n\nDan: Anyway, I was talking to one of the black backstage crew. I was talking to one of the black backstage crew. You know who'd do the get you ready for going on to the front stage and I said we have 350 people. \n\nIf you had other conferences going on at the same time. Our size, how many could you have? And he says I think around two dozen dozen we could be doing in the same building at the same time. But then when you get outside of the music center it's just filled with all the sorts of clubs yes and broadway, which is their big party street, is about two block, two blocks away, and there's lots of hotels. \n\nDean: There's lots of hotels around, so's lots of hotels around, so you can feed into it. \n\nDan: I was at the Four Seasons in Nashville. \n\nDean: Of course you were. Yeah, did you get a hat and some boots to celebrate your 80th birthday? The Nashville way? \n\nDan: I did not, and I'll tell you, my approach to cowboy hats and cowboy boots is about the same as my approach to backyard barbecues, and that is, I will celebrate my 80th birthday without ever having participated, actually organized one of those, and so it's on the list that I'm going to try to get through my whole life without doing I love it. \n\nDean: That's the greatest thing. \n\nDan: Dan. \n\nDean: I can't tell you how many times I've used the. You know people are going through their whole life hoping to never have to meet you. \n\nDan: I was having. \n\nDean: I had lunch with an attorney friend who's a personal injury attorney and you know he works primarily with people in accidents and I said you know the challenge with his marketing is that it's acute onset and you know nobody is preparing for or anticipating the need to meet you. \n\nDan: And I said in fact most people are hoping to go their entire life without ever having to meet you and if they get to, good for them, you know, yeah, funny, yeah, yeah, some people's marketing challenges are more severe than others yeah that's exactly right, well, yeah you know, as you know to be being that we're right at the beginning, when I started my coaching life, which was 50 years ago, in 1970, the people which was called Top of the Table and the table is a previous organization which started, I think maybe 50 or 60 years before, which was called the Million Dollar Roundtable, and it was a certain amount of sales qualified you and you got to go to the acronym mdrt. That was the thing, and. \n\nBut in the early 70s they had gotten together and said let's take a top 500 in the world and and establish ourselves as the top of the table. Okay, and so right off the bat, in 74 and 75, I had one who was just a great friend and promoter of what I was doing at that time, because it was just being out there testing out this thing called coaching for entrepreneurs. And then very quickly I got others because they talked to each other a lot without seeing each other as competitors. And one of the things that I really remember is just getting really, really deep into how life insurance agents operate. And it's a tough marketing proposition because you have to engage people in a conversation about what's going to happen after they die. I mean, that's the premise of life insurance and the other thing is you're doing it for other people. \n\nAnd really you're doing it, and I had one of the great ones. These were, in the first instance, they were all Toronto-based, that's where we were, and I remember this one he would deal with, very wealthy. One of the things that attracted to me to these top life insurance agents is that their entire clientele were entrepreneurial. Okay, they didn't have corporate people, they had people who created their own businesses. And I remember this one agent here in Toronto. He said the first thing you have to zero in on again, it's a difficult sale is what the individual, who's a wealthy individual? What do they love that they want to be remembered for having been a great person after their life? What is it that they love that they would ensure and he said so. He had this line of questioning with. That went something like this he said first of all, as we talk about this, do you love your wife? And the person would say no, not really, not really. \n\nHe says do you love your children? That would be a flat no. And he says no, I don't love my children. He said do you love your employees? \n\nAnd he says no, I don't love my children. He said, do you love your employees? And he says no. Finally gets to number four is do you love your reputation such that after you die, people will say you know he really loved his wife, his children and his employees? He says yes, I do love my reputation, and he says, ok, let's ensure your reputation. He says until you find out what someone loves, you might as well not talk about your legacy, and everybody has a different one. So the big thing everybody has a something that they want to be remembered for. So he says that's the thing that we have to ensure. \n\nDean: And it's amazing. Amazing, isn't it, that there's always the reason behind the reason. \n\nDan: It's funny yeah well, well, there's ultimately. There's the reason, the others aren't a reason you know, and actually that's true, yeah, and you have to find out what makes the person tick. You know, know, I mean everybody who lives for a long time and is very active in doing it has something that's right at the center you know, and I think it's idiosyncratic. \n\nDean: What do you mean by that? Do you mean, that it's? \n\nDan: I don't think it's predictable. \n\nDean: Okay, right. \n\nDan: Yeah, there's a deeper. I don't think everybody is Well. If you have the money to be different, then you're different in the way you want to be different. I mean we're talking about people who can write a check and they can write a big check. And what do they write the check for is the big question. And they're not doing it out of need, they're doing it out of want. \n\nDean: Right. \n\nDan: My contention is don't do things out of need. Do them out of what you actually want, because that represents much more of who you actually are than doing things because you need to do them that's an interesting because that's why or is that why you spent so much time 25 years. \n\nDean: I remember you saying you made a commitment to every day writing what do I want. I journal for 25 years. Yeah. \n\nDan: And because I was coming off a divorce and bankruptcy which coincided on the same day, that was, August, August 15th 1978. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: And you know, divorce and bankruptcy qualify as two bad report cards. \n\nDean: Right. \n\nDan: Right right right, yes, I mean any way you interpret it, it's a bad report card and so you know I was kind of in a state and one of the neat things when you go through a divorce and bankruptcy, people don't throw parties for you to have you come and explain it you know they give you a lot of peace and quiet of your own, you know, yeah. \n\nSo I had about four or five months after August to think this through and I said you know, the reason why these things are happening is I'm not telling myself what I actually want. You know I'm assuming certain things about other people. I'm expecting other people expectations, assumptions about other people and other things. And I said, you know, I think the key here is that I'm not actually telling myself what I want. \n\nDean: And so. \n\nDan: I said myself what I want and so I said so. Nobody cares if I was divorced and bankruptcy, and nobody really cares whether I amount to anything you know you know, and I was 30, 30, 34 years old at that time. \n\nAnd once you hit 30, nobody cares you know, it just, we invest a lot in younger people until age 30 and then they kick you out of the nest and anything that's going to happen in the future, you're going to do it on your own. You're not going to get a government grant to do it. And so I said, well, what I'm going to do is I'm just going to have one goal here. So I said, well, what I'm going to do is I'm just going to have one goal here. For the next 25 years, every day, I'm going to keep a journal and I'm going to write in it something that I want, With one constraint I'm not going to use the word, because I'm not going to use the word. \n\nI just want it, I just want it. And I did that, I did it for 25 years I missed want it, I just want it, and I did that. I did it for 25 years. I missed 12 days. There are 9,131 days in 25 years including the six leap year days, and so it's 9,131. And I did them on 9,119 days and my relationship with Babs came out of that. The whole strategic coach came out of that. \n\nYou know and all sorts of things, like the lifestyle I'm living and you know why today I don't have to think about money at all because the money's there and you know, and the type of people I'm spending my time with. So it feels good, but that that the other thing is I. What it proved is I have the ability to stick with something for 25 years, right on a daily basis on a daily conscious basis. \n\nDean: So still journal. Do you, uh, do you still journal? \n\nDan: well, Dean, that's a really great question. I do journal, but it's in the form of using my tools on a daily basis. \n\nDean: I got you Okay, so you're thinking about your thinking every day, like my fast filter, my fast filters. \n\nDan: Yeah, you know fast filters. I'm saying what I want. It's just mutated into different forms. I want it's just mutated into different forms, but there isn't a day that I go through where I'm not stating something that I'm planning to achieve sometime in the future. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's really. That's something I'm coming up. Next April will be 30 years of, you know, daily journaling. Yeah, I mean of sequential, and I actually have all of the journals. It was April 1995. I would journal. I was always someone to write down my thinking, but not in an organized, archival kind of way. But April of 1995 is my journal number one the official like keeping that. \n\nDan: So next year is the 30 years. Yeah, and it's so funny that you know, like you said, I think more than half your life. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's exactly right. I just turned 58 on Friday and that was a you know, you mentioned you know at 30, I noticed that you did it at 29. Yeah, that there's a different you know different experience level at 58 than there is at you know 29. \n\nDan: Oh yeah. \n\nDean: Yeah, I remember when I first started with Strategic Coach in 1997, year one that was, I remember the three-year kind of vision thing was it was difficult for me to even like see three years into the future because everything up to that point had been constantly evolving. You know, and I just remember, as in real estate, you know, when I was young, starting in real estate, I remember there was talk of the, you know, halton hills the town where I was, had just released their 20 year plan and I thought to myself, man, that's like that's forever, that's a lot. I don't never get here. You know, 20 years, I can't imagine that they're thinking that far ahead. And I had a couple of experiences like that. One of the largest sale that I ever made was to an italian family that was land banking. They bought land on the corner of ninth line and steels in halton hills that wasn't going to be developed. \n\nDan: we we're talking about Toronto. Yes, right, exactly Greater, Toronto area. \n\nDean: Yeah, in Halton Hills that was like the outer edge of the greater Toronto area and their expectation was that this was going to be land that would be developed in 40 years and that was almost exactly true as to when it, you know, came about. It's just kind of that was their model. They would, you know, go, they were a development family and they would go out to the edge and buy the land that was inevitably going to be the development. So, you know, they owned a lot of land in Brampton and Mississauga that were, you know, at the time, rural areas that they bought, you know, 20 years previous, in the 60s, at that time, knowing that was going to be developed later on and what an interesting like long term vision, like that. \n\nBut that tell that story, because I always like to have you know kind of I look at my birthdays, I like to have like a day of reflection and looking forward and you know real and yes, uh, two days ago was your birthday, that's right, yep, and so you know, looking, I have a completely different understanding and experience of what 25 years is, yeah, than I did when I was 29, right, and so it's like, not you know, because I can still remember cracking the you know seal on journal number one, april 1995, virginia Beach. That was the you know day one journal one, and I still I can transport there, you know know, right now. It's just amazing how your mind I'm just like I'm sure you can immediately remember your lunch that you had on the day you got bankrupt and divorced. You know, you probably recall that right there, but you couldn't imagine it was actually a good lunch yeah, that right yeah because it was on the credit card you were about to turn in. \n\nDan: Yeah, the interesting thing about it is I've been working on a concept and I was reminded of it because for our top guest speaker at the conference we had Kathy Ireland, the very famous model. \n\nDean: Oh, wait, it wasn't Joe Polish. \n\nDan: As I said, we had our top speaker. It was Kathy Ireland. Joe was good. He was one of the three main speakers. Right yeah he should be delighted with that. Yeah, he should be delighted with that. \n\nDean: Anyway. \n\nDan: Kathy Erland talked about how her intent was not to become a model. Not that she was against becoming a model, but that was never her intention to be a model. And she was just approached when she was on the beach in Santa Barbara California when she was 17. On the beach in Santa Barbara California when she was 17. And an agent came up to her and said you know, I think there's a niche that if you wanted to become a model, you would really, you know, sort of a tomboy she's. \n\nYou know, she was very athletic, she was very muscular and she, you know, she sort of had freckles and you know, and she did wonderfully for 15 years from age 17 to 32. And she was on many covers of magazines, especially Sports Illustrated, and but then when she was 32, she just decided to stop and while she was a model, she had taken a crack at creating different kinds of businesses, so it wasn't something new, she said. I always knew I was going to be an entrepreneur and that the modeling gave me a bridge from where I was born, where I grew up, to the outside world. And then she stopped at 32. And for the last almost 30 years's created a three and a half billion dollar global company. And it was really great. We have jeff madoff interviewers, so jeff, is how I know I had. \n\nJeff is how I know kathy, because he had her as a guest at a marketing class that he teaches at one of the New York universities. But one of the things I found in common with her she said I like getting older because you just know so much more, and one of the things I'm really appreciating at 80 is that I can really I can think of my life in terms of at least seven decades. You know, the first one's a bit sketchy, you know, because you hadn't really become conscious. \n\nDean: But you've recalled being out in the woods. Oh, no, no. \n\nDan: I have very good memories below 10. And I think I've enhanced them some, but you have what's possible over long periods of time, you know and what you will stay with over long. I think one of the principal pieces of knowledge that you get as a benefit of getting older is you have a very clear idea of what exactly what you will stick with over a long period of time and we're just, and we're just trading reports here of something you stuck with and what I stuck with over a long period of time, and young people don't have the advantage of doing that that's exactly right. \n\nDean: Yeah, you can't imagine and it's very interesting to see how I spoke things into existence in that journal, leading up to them, like describing what I want, and to see how they started out as a seed in the journal and then became reality. You know, something it's interesting to see and you wonder, you know, part of it is to keep that, you know, keep that rolling, keep it now looking forward in the next five. It's as you say, it's, you know, your I love about you at 80 is that your, you know future is still bigger than your past and that's kind of an exciting thing. \n\nDan: Yeah, I will say. This doesn't naturally occur just by living years. \n\nDean: No, no you have to be. \n\nDan: I mean the. To make the future bigger than your past at 80 takes a lot of. \n\nDean: Yeah, especially when. But maybe that goes to what your print too. Right, just achievement is a thing, that's a motivator for you. For the sake of parties, for the sake of parties. That's all the bigger parties. That's all the bigger parties. That's great, yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: Someone was asking me that. You know, when I looked at the conference that we just had in Nashville, wednesday and Thursday, people said, well, how would you plan a conference? I said, well, I didn't plan the conference. It was my team members to plan the conference. So it was my team members to play in the conference. But I said my attitude toward the conference is what the party is going to be like on the final night. Yes, I work backwards from the party. What has to happen for it to be a great party? \n\nDean: Right. \n\nDan: Well, this is very exciting, that now it's just coincidentally, two years from now, we do it at the same time. \n\nDean: That be, yeah, first week of may is a good day. \n\nDan: It's a good time, it's good and we would do it at nashville and we would do it at the music city. I mean, we're far enough ahead on the schedule that we know it would be your 60th birthday. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that'll be right in time for peak Dean on my health journey here. You know that'll be Back to my. \n\nDan: That was the year of the peak Dean. That's exactly right, it's almost, like you know, a periodic visit of the northern lights. Yeah, yeah. \n\nDean: No, I think that's very exciting. Yeah, and I've already said even more. \n\nDan: I've already yeah, you put it in the calendar. It'll be the week of your birthday, probably okay, I mean I don't know what the week looks like, but let's find out now. \n\nDean: I'm yeah, but yeah, nashville, early early 2026, may 10th is a Sunday. Yeah, it won't be that, it won't be on a. \n\nDan: Sunday no, but it'll be the week. It'll be the week before, it'll be the week before. But the thing is now that they've done it once and we've got a date in the calendar. First of all, they can put the date in the calendar and they can get the event company plugged in. And they can get the event company plugged in, they can get the reservation at the Music City. They can get the hotel bookings I think the hotel bookings most hotels you can't get in for about six until six months before. \n\nDean: But as early as you can. \n\nDan: And yeah, we had a lot of bookings at the Four Seasons and you know, and we came in from the airport on Tuesday or on Tuesday? No, on Monday we came in, am I right? \n\nDean: here. You came in on the Monday, yeah, because we spoke last Sunday yeah, I think I came. \n\nDan: We came in on the Monday, yeah, and and we. But when we arrived, there was this whole meeting party of Four Seasons personnel. They came up to us and treated us like they liked us oh right, imagine that yeah, which I take regardless of what their motive is it doesn't matter, it still feels just as nice. \n\nDean: Yeah, I think that's great. Mr. \n\nDan: Sullivan is the general manager of the hotel. \n\nOh, we're so happy to have you, Thank you. Thank you very much and a very friendly guy, yeah. So anyway, I'm going to work on this. The value of age. You know, there's a lot of people and I'm noticing them, because I'm starting to notice how people who are getting up in years I won't say they're my age, but they're getting up in years are falling into the general narrative of how people act when they get older and I'm just so convinced that they feel diminished because they haven't constantly worked on having their future bigger than their past. \n\nYes, there's a point where they stop creating their future whenever that was there, was you know, well, and I think that you really have. \n\nDean: It's a discipline that I constantly have to get myself to turn and have my gaze future focused, because as you do get older, you start that there's more to look back on. You know, and you spend a lot of time revisiting the past, but all the action is in the future. \n\nDan: There's nothing, nothing you can do about the about the past, but yeah, but what I do is that I the past, if I remember. It can only be raw material for creating something new for the future. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: Like when I go back and I remember a situation, I'll say now what did I learn from that situation that I can use in the future? You know, I don't accept the past's interpretation of itself. \n\nDean: Yeah, say more about itself, yeah. \n\nDan: Say more about that. Yeah, and I had a friend for a number of years who I'd gone to college with and we've, you know, we have been in touch for 20 years and he said you don't have any nostalgia, do you? You don't look back and have an emotional. And I said no, I mean, first of all, I was given a chance, you know, when I was having the experience, to appreciate what it was Okay. So it had a momentary opportunity to really imprint me with its importance. But if I'm looking back from 20 years ago, it's my interpretation of what it means to me going forward, not the interpretation. And I'm noticing, with the boomers, you know, there's nothing more disgusting than a nostalgic boomer. \n\nDean: Yeah, like thinking about back in the day. Is that what you mean? 60s? \n\nDan: well, 60s, you know, that's the usual. The 60s and 70s, you know, and they were going to turn the world on its head. And then they became civil servants, they got jobs as government employees or they became teachers and everything else. And then you get with them and they go back and they say, oh, those were the days, and everything like that. \n\nAnd it's kind of, but I have this notion that up until 30, society really supports you. Society invests in you, the government invests in you, the community invests in you, your parents invest in you, the teachers, everybody invests in you. And at 30, they cut it off and they set you free. And it's like I say about people say well, e know they have very high purchase. When the chicks are born, you know they're hundreds of feet up the eagles, and then on one day the mother eagle, just there's little eagles, they have wings. You know they have feathers, they have wings. She just pushes them all out of the nest. They have wings, she just pushes them all out of the nest. And the ones that don't hit the ground know how to fly. The ones who hit the ground, you don't have to worry about them. \n\nWow yeah, and I think society at a certain point they just push all the 30-year-olds out of the nest and they want to see if you can make anything. Is there anything different or unique, and if there isn't, you just, more or less metaphorically, you hit the ground and you're nothing more than what things were before. \n\nDean: There's nothing new. \n\nDan: There's nothing new, but I pushed myself out of the nest when I was 18 years old, so the time until I was 30 didn't really mean anything. \n\nDean: Right. \n\nDan: But I don't comprehend nostalgia, because my emotions are in the present, they're not in the past. \n\nDean: Yes, yeah, and that's what you realize, even in the future. I think when we were talking in Palm Beach earlier this year about the, you know the main thing is the future is really only shaped by the behaviors and habits and happens Really. \n\nDan: The future is shaped by your present capabilities. Yeah, so I don't want to be looking backwards, as I'm living the present. I want to be fully alive because it's my up-to-dateness with the present that determines the quality of the future. \n\nDean: Yes, yeah, bringing there here. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's really interesting. We had a whole raft of speakers. \n\nDean: Yeah, tell me about some of the highlights. What were some of the highlights? \n\nDan: Well, I didn't get to all of them, because I went to every hour. You had a breakout session. I went to it, but there were different streams and tracks. I mean they're all going to be videoed. I mean they were all videoed so everybody's going to be able to see them. But I went to one and they had a couple of futurists there and I wasn't impressed. I wasn't impressed, and more and more over the last 10 years, since we did the collaboration with Peter Diamandis to create Abundance360, I always knew that people could be trapped in the past, in other words, that they were doing every day trying to hold on to the past. Okay, but I'm just as convinced now that people can get trapped into the future. \n\nThey can get trapped, that they can't really be aware of what's going on right now because their mind is in a realm that hasn't happened yet and one of the things I know it makes them very nervous, makes them very anxious, anxious. And the thing that I found really interesting about these two speakers, the husband and wife team, was that they were making up all sorts of crazy words to describe what's happening, and you should be aware of this. And they had a word called templosion, which you know temp is, I guess, a Latin word for time, something and implosion, which I guess adds on a notion of explosion and that we're in a period of templosion, where there's hundreds of different ways that you're going to have to choose your life. \n\nDean: And. \n\nDan: I was sitting there and I said no, well, I know, 20 years, or I know 20 years from now, exactly what my life is going to look like. I don't know the details but, I, know it's going to be a direct extension of what I'm doing today. \n\nDean: And. \n\nDan: I know 80 percent of it. It will be expanding. I'll meet all sorts of new people. There's all going to be, but what's happening in the rest of the world and what other people are doing really don't, it doesn't really matter to me that much. \n\nDean: I like that. I mean, that's what I realized in the journaling. I have two things. You something you said about. You know that spending time, you know, in the future is there's a lot of temptation or opportunity to just stay constantly planning and thinking about the future without actually you know, I've been using the word applying yourself. You know, I found that it's in our minds the things that motivate us to actually do something. We only do things in the present. So our own, you know our, you know our behaviors extended over time are what we define as habits, but it's really the behavior that's to be done today. You know, and I realized that writing in your journal and thinking about or planning for, or architecting or doing all these things that are future gazing is not actually applying yourself, it's not actually putting anything on the record. It's the equivalent of to the committee in our brain that actually controls what we do. It's the equivalent of quietly sitting in the corner coloring. \n\nBecause no matter what anything that you do in your journal. The great deception is that it feels like that's actually making a difference. Right, that you're actually accomplishing something, but it's not. Until you break that barrier of getting it out of your head into and on the permanent record in the form of an action or a behavior. It's not going to do anything. \n\nDan: Well, I think the big thing and I think it's a hard realization. I think it's maybe one of the harder realizations that nobody has ever lived in the future and nobody has ever lived in the past. \n\nYeah, you only live in the moment. You know, and it and a lot of people just aren't capable of being conscious of the moment because their attention is being either dragged back backwards or pushed forwards and they're thinking about next, they're not thinking about next year. They're not thinking about, they can't think about next year because everything's happening right now. They can't think about 10 years ago, because everything's happening right now, and I think being present-minded is hard. \n\nYes, I think it takes really an enormous amount of mental muscle to actually just be aware that things are happening right now and the way you handle things right now basically makes the future. \n\nDean: Yes, that's the only thing that makes the future. It's the brick by brick layer. \n\nDan: You know what I mean it's really the truth. \n\nDean: It's that in the tapestry or whatever, that we can only see the accomplishment of it. But you realize that you can. \n\nDan: I bet in the world of brick layers it's what a person can do in a day that really puts them at the top of their craft. \n\nDean: I think you're absolutely right. Yes, and it's only on the reflection. You know, great walls are only built on the you know, compilation of daily accomplishment. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: You know the thing is you can change any of it at any time. You know the thing is you can change any of it at any time. That's what I realized is in reflection, you know, when I was thinking about those, the elements of a perfect life, and really getting down to the, you know how DNA has, you know, the five elements of it, that if you look at the DNA of a perfect life, it's, you know, the elements are me, like everything. If I were to strip me naked and drop me on a deserted island, everything I have there, that's me, the portable things. Then time is life's moving at the speed of reality. \n\n60 minutes per hour in perpetuity and you're always doing something in there, then environments are the things that are. You know. You basically put yourself in or you've been put in to an environment. That is your version of what's happening here, where, geographically, where you are, that where you live, what you have, what you do, all of those things are environments and you could, in theory, all of those things are environments and you could, in theory, move your, so I mean, you could completely change your environment. \n\nThat's what you're thinking of the immigrant, right of you could leave everything behind and go change the environment and decide everything that you're going to do. Then the element of people meaning all the people that are around you, and money. So the combination of all of those five things are what create what we would call a life, you know, and I love like I find that infinitely entertaining too, you know in terms of yeah, the other thing is that, uh, one of the things that was predicted for me by other people is that as you get get older, time speeds up. \n\nDan: Okay, and since I 70, I've experienced just the opposite. Time slowed down during the 70s and the years just took their time, and I think the reason is, I think it has to do with consciousness. You know, and I think that you know when you're, you know when you're a child, you're learning everything. So you're, you know, you're, everything is kind of new and you're exploring it and everything else, and then, as you get on, a lot of your experience you already knew that. So it's not significant, okay, but I think what happens with a lot of people, they are never actually creating their experience. There he is. I got a phone call that interrupted our phone call oh man, how rude somebody named Stephanie ok and. \n\nI immediately hit just to say you have no right. You're trespassing, that's right. Yeah, be gone. Where did I leave the thought that I was on? \n\nDean: Well, you were talking about consciousness. That's what you were saying. \n\nDan: Well, I think consciousness is the number of times during any time period that you're actually conscious of what's happening to you Okay. \n\nAnd I think it's massive when you're a child, because everything's new, right, but as we, let's say, we're now 20, we've actually mastered a lot of things that were new and now they're known, actually mastered a lot of things that were new and now they're known. I think, therefore, the number of situations when you're 20, that you're suddenly struck by something new is less than when you were, you know, four or five or six years old, okay, and so you're moving quickly from one moment of consciousness to another. And when you're six, it might be 20 things a day. That's a long day, but if it's 20 times a week when you're 20, that's a faster week, and if it's 20 times in a quarter, when you're 50 that's a really fast quarter and when it's 20 times, when you're 20 times in a year, when you're 70. \n\nI think that whether time is going fast or slow depends upon the number of consciousness things about something new that's happening in your life. And I found over the period of the last 10 years. I was back to having suddenly new conscious things that were happening. You know many times. You know many times a week or a day and time slowed back down, so it's actually being conscious. \n\nDean: That's really, you know, that's almost like Euclidean, that's like euclidean geometry, you know yeah, that that harmonizes with something that I heard about. Why it the perception is that it moves faster is that when we're looking back, the routine reads as one experience, right? So you're looking back at the thing, if you've been, if your life becomes waking up in the same place, driving to the same job, sitting at the same desk, interacting with the same people and you look back over time at that, that all reads as one experience and it's only the new and novel consciousness moments that you were just talking about that get registered and recorded that single experience for some people may have. \n\nDan: Another year just went by. \n\nDean: That's exactly right and that's what oh well, that was fast where that was fast. \n\nDan: Where's the time go? Where's the? \n\nDean: time go. \n\nDan: It's not a function of time, it's a function of consciousness. Right, that's exactly right, and we've had at least five conscious things in the last hour. I love that, Dan. We've done each other a favor over the last 60 minutes. \n\nDean: I'm very excited about the culmination, the 60th. I'm reframing CoachCon as a peak theme celebration. I'm just I'm taking it for me, that's what it's. \n\nDan: Not that you didn't have something to live for before, but we just put some kind of put a cherry at the top of your whipped cream. Yeah. \n\nDean: I've had something that I was already on the path of you know, and that's kind of that's kind of great. Yeah, I just celebrated nine nine weeks of the peak Dean path here, so that's all it's very exciting. \n\nDan: That's been a good nine weeks, hasn't it? It really has. \n\nDean: Yes, it shows the whole you know thing of accountability and the plan and Somebody else's executive function, that's exactly right. \n\nDan: Now I'm looking honestly. \n\nDean: That's the thing Now. I'm looking for that in my you know, in deciding in my productivity now, in all the times that I'm, because I realized what an abundance of time I have you know, and very. I have what you would call very little environmental drag on my life in terms of time, commitments or obligations or people or other things, so it's a huge palette to play on Attempts on the part of other people to use up your life. Yeah, exactly, there's no claims to it, that's exactly right. \n\nSo I've got no excuse. So now it's just like I get to architect this amazing adventure here. \n\nDan: You know the thing that's going to be the highlight in the election campaign. It might happen in the next week or two where Trump finally sends the judge in the current trial in New York over the edge. He says I'm sending you to jail, and then the United States is just fixated on. Trump. He won't be in a normal cell. Of course He'll have a phone. \n\nOf course he'll have a phone and he'll be messages from Rikers Island, which is the main jail and he'll have lineups of everybody wanting to get his autograph and his picture taken in Rikers. And you know he'll be giving campaign speeches to all the prison guards and everything else. And meanwhile President Joe will have to be reminded who he is again and what his job is. \n\nDean: Oh, my goodness. Well, we got six months. That's the exciting thing here. \n\nDan: This is very exciting. This is very exciting. This is very, this is a and. And people say, isn't it a tragedy? I says what's a tragedy? And they said just the preposterousness presidential campaign. And I says, well, it depends on how you look at it. Because a lot of people say, well, this is crucial. You know the future, the world depends upon this. And I said, well, america has so much going for it, the United States has so much for it, it's got so much leadership at every level of activity that Americans are the only people on the planet in the history of humanity that can just treat domestic politics as a form of popular entertainment. Oh man, so I don't think you're approaching this correctly. You think that this is actually important, but it's entertainment. And then the question is who is the most entertaining candidate? And that I can predict yes. \n\nDean: It would be amazing to see it all unfold, how it plays out. I still see Las Vegas still has all the odds makers still have Donald Trump as the winner. \n\nDan: Yeah, I think it's in the 60s. Well, it depends on whether they're doing it with all the candidates or just the main two. But I think the betting markets I check every couple. I think the betting markets I check every couple weeks, the betting market. \n\nYeah, it's been generally 60, 65 and you know and you know, which is surprising, because a lot of the big, wealthy democratic donors could be gaming the market, you know, just throwing a lot of money into the market. But but these are the las ve. I mean Las Vegas puts a bet on everything, so it's probably some legitimacy to what their bets are. Yeah, yeah, and it goes deeper than a particular issue. You know, it's just like. You know, it's almost like which one of them could actually be there at the end of another four years, and I think that's part of it. \n\nHoly cow yeah yeah, that's exactly true yeah, it's like a horse race, where you're betting to see if any of them could actually get to the finish line right oh my goodness, we know they could be at the starting gate. We just don't know which one's going to actually finish you know, yeah, that's so that's amazing, yeah all righty are we uh on next week? \n\nyes, nope, I'm on a plane trip to london on sunday of next week. So and the week after I, yeah, the week after I can do it from a hotel room in cleveland okay, perfect, but I'll have to give you the. I'll have to give you the date of the time. \n\nDean: Okay, no problem. \n\nDan: And I might have to get you up early. \n\nDean: That's okay. It's my only thing on these Sundays. Yeah it's my only thing, so it's the highlight of my day Okay thank you, thanks, bye, bye. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, I reflect on the successful launch of our inaugural CoachCon conference, which brought together 350 members of the Strategic Coach community in Nashville. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe vibrant energy of Music City and the exceptional facilities of the Music City Center made for an experience surpassing expectations.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOur discussion centers on cultivating the mental fortitude needed to remain anchored amid future-focused hustle. We connect this to aspects like political endurance while acknowledging the enrichment that unfolding daily actions alone confer on tomorrow\u0026#39;s potential.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul style=\"list-style-type: circle;\"\u003e\n\u003c/center\u003e\n\n  \u003cli\u003eWe recap the inaugural CoachCon Conference in Nashville, noting the participation of 350 strategic thinkers and our partnership with Agile for event organization.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eI share my personal stance on cowboy attire and backyard barbecues, highlighting a preference for distinctively non-Western wardrobe choices.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe reflect on aging and the evolution of long-term vision, contrasting my early career's short-sightedness with the strategic foresight demonstrated by successful individuals and families.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eI celebrate another birthday and contemplate the depth of understanding that comes with each passing year, using the experiences of Kathy Ireland as an example of life's cumulative experiences enriching future visions.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe explore the importance of journaling and manifesting desires into reality, discussing how projecting our goals into the future contributes to personal growth.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eThe discussion covers the importance of crafting a future-focused vision, especially as one grows older, to avoid feeling diminished with age.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe examine the significance of living in the present moment and how our current actions lay the foundation for future success.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003ePersonal insights are shared on the perception of time and the possibility of slowing down our experience of it through heightened consciousness.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe speculate on political endurance and the uncertainties in the political arena, likening it to a horse race with a focus on the candidates' abilities to sustain a full term.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eThe conversation includes a mention of upcoming travel plans, expressing a commitment to continue these enlightening conversations from wherever life takes us, whether it be a London hotel or a Cleveland suite.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Sullivan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I am back from Nashville. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s what I hear. I am excited to hear all about it. It looked like a real party it was a total party. Two parties. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so providing some context for the listening audience. We had our very first community conference and I say that because you did not get invited unless you were connected to someone in the strategic coach community and it\u0026#39;s our first conference of this kind called CoachCon. And as a result of it. I already committed at my birthday party, which was on the second night, two-day conference, second night and I said we\u0026#39;re going to have one in 26. So we\u0026#39;re thinking we\u0026#39;ll do this every two years Okay, that\u0026#39;s amazing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, and we had 350, which was good for, you know, our first experience. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I will say that we\u0026#39;re really committed to Nashville. Nashville is just such a great city to have a conference. It\u0026#39;s just. The city itself has an enormous amount of energy and the Music City Center is just a marvelous venue. It is so big it staggers your imagination. It\u0026#39;s two blocks long by almost two blocks wide, and if you look at it from the air, from above, it looks like a guitar. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, right right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, which you wouldn\u0026#39;t do in Toronto. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It would have no meaning, it would have no meaning. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It would have no meaning in Toronto. Okay, it would. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And anyway I was working with go ahead. I was just going to say not to say that Toronto has a pretty wonderful convention center facility too, downtown, yeah, but Nashville has a great. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Nashville has a great Nashville has a great convention center. That\u0026#39;s the truth. Yes, yeah, as a matter of fact, one of the smart moves we made as a company is that we immediately hired a convention conference company called Agile. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI think they\u0026#39;re from Kansas City and Minneapolis. They have two branches to their company and so, right from the very beginning, our team members were working with their team members to create the event, and this was a year and a half in planning, and they just are the perfect interface between yourself and then the venue itself, who have their own team. So it\u0026#39;s really it\u0026#39;s really a triple play of three teams working together to create the event. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And I mean it\u0026#39;s such a, it\u0026#39;s such an engine. I had such flashbacks, you know, seeing the footage that was coming out of there of the room and the setup and the way everything was. Or you know that we did an event roughly twice that size every month for 14 years. You imagine, like the engine that it takes to put that, to put that on the logistics of it. That was what the main event was. We\u0026#39;d have, you know, 600 or 800 people every month. It was something. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, are you speaking about one of your? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e events. This was with Joe Stumpf when we did the buy referral for the real estate agents. That was what we did. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, that was where you did it, that\u0026#39;s where you did it that\u0026#39;s where you did it yeah, that\u0026#39;s right well, here I\u0026#39;m trying to impress you and you\u0026#39;re just tolerating me no, I mean there\u0026#39;s some. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e There\u0026#39;s an exciting energy around a uh, a big event like that. I mean there\u0026#39;s, but it\u0026#39;s a very different energy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, wasn\u0026#39;t it in Nashville 14 times. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No, we did. We were all over the country. We did one a month. We did one every month for 14 years. Wow. Yeah exactly so Nashville was in the rotation that\u0026#39;s like 168. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s like 168 conferences. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, we did over 200, actually is what it was, but that was like a circus coming to town every month, every month, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Anyway, I was talking to one of the black backstage crew. I was talking to one of the black backstage crew. You know who\u0026#39;d do the get you ready for going on to the front stage and I said we have 350 people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIf you had other conferences going on at the same time. Our size, how many could you have? And he says I think around two dozen dozen we could be doing in the same building at the same time. But then when you get outside of the music center it\u0026#39;s just filled with all the sorts of clubs yes and broadway, which is their big party street, is about two block, two blocks away, and there\u0026#39;s lots of hotels. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e There\u0026#39;s lots of hotels around, so\u0026#39;s lots of hotels around, so you can feed into it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I was at the Four Seasons in Nashville. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Of course you were. Yeah, did you get a hat and some boots to celebrate your 80th birthday? The Nashville way? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I did not, and I\u0026#39;ll tell you, my approach to cowboy hats and cowboy boots is about the same as my approach to backyard barbecues, and that is, I will celebrate my 80th birthday without ever having participated, actually organized one of those, and so it\u0026#39;s on the list that I\u0026#39;m going to try to get through my whole life without doing I love it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s the greatest thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Dan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I can\u0026#39;t tell you how many times I\u0026#39;ve used the. You know people are going through their whole life hoping to never have to meet you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I was having. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I had lunch with an attorney friend who\u0026#39;s a personal injury attorney and you know he works primarily with people in accidents and I said you know the challenge with his marketing is that it\u0026#39;s acute onset and you know nobody is preparing for or anticipating the need to meet you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I said in fact most people are hoping to go their entire life without ever having to meet you and if they get to, good for them, you know, yeah, funny, yeah, yeah, some people\u0026#39;s marketing challenges are more severe than others yeah that\u0026#39;s exactly right, well, yeah you know, as you know to be being that we\u0026#39;re right at the beginning, when I started my coaching life, which was 50 years ago, in 1970, the people which was called Top of the Table and the table is a previous organization which started, I think maybe 50 or 60 years before, which was called the Million Dollar Roundtable, and it was a certain amount of sales qualified you and you got to go to the acronym mdrt. That was the thing, and. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut in the early 70s they had gotten together and said let\u0026#39;s take a top 500 in the world and and establish ourselves as the top of the table. Okay, and so right off the bat, in 74 and 75, I had one who was just a great friend and promoter of what I was doing at that time, because it was just being out there testing out this thing called coaching for entrepreneurs. And then very quickly I got others because they talked to each other a lot without seeing each other as competitors. And one of the things that I really remember is just getting really, really deep into how life insurance agents operate. And it\u0026#39;s a tough marketing proposition because you have to engage people in a conversation about what\u0026#39;s going to happen after they die. I mean, that\u0026#39;s the premise of life insurance and the other thing is you\u0026#39;re doing it for other people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd really you\u0026#39;re doing it, and I had one of the great ones. These were, in the first instance, they were all Toronto-based, that\u0026#39;s where we were, and I remember this one he would deal with, very wealthy. One of the things that attracted to me to these top life insurance agents is that their entire clientele were entrepreneurial. Okay, they didn\u0026#39;t have corporate people, they had people who created their own businesses. And I remember this one agent here in Toronto. He said the first thing you have to zero in on again, it\u0026#39;s a difficult sale is what the individual, who\u0026#39;s a wealthy individual? What do they love that they want to be remembered for having been a great person after their life? What is it that they love that they would ensure and he said so. He had this line of questioning with. That went something like this he said first of all, as we talk about this, do you love your wife? And the person would say no, not really, not really. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHe says do you love your children? That would be a flat no. And he says no, I don\u0026#39;t love my children. He said do you love your employees? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd he says no, I don\u0026#39;t love my children. He said, do you love your employees? And he says no. Finally gets to number four is do you love your reputation such that after you die, people will say you know he really loved his wife, his children and his employees? He says yes, I do love my reputation, and he says, ok, let\u0026#39;s ensure your reputation. He says until you find out what someone loves, you might as well not talk about your legacy, and everybody has a different one. So the big thing everybody has a something that they want to be remembered for. So he says that\u0026#39;s the thing that we have to ensure. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And it\u0026#39;s amazing. Amazing, isn\u0026#39;t it, that there\u0026#39;s always the reason behind the reason. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s funny yeah well, well, there\u0026#39;s ultimately. There\u0026#39;s the reason, the others aren\u0026#39;t a reason you know, and actually that\u0026#39;s true, yeah, and you have to find out what makes the person tick. You know, know, I mean everybody who lives for a long time and is very active in doing it has something that\u0026#39;s right at the center you know, and I think it\u0026#39;s idiosyncratic. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e What do you mean by that? Do you mean, that it\u0026#39;s? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t think it\u0026#39;s predictable. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, there\u0026#39;s a deeper. I don\u0026#39;t think everybody is Well. If you have the money to be different, then you\u0026#39;re different in the way you want to be different. I mean we\u0026#39;re talking about people who can write a check and they can write a big check. And what do they write the check for is the big question. And they\u0026#39;re not doing it out of need, they\u0026#39;re doing it out of want. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e My contention is don\u0026#39;t do things out of need. Do them out of what you actually want, because that represents much more of who you actually are than doing things because you need to do them that\u0026#39;s an interesting because that\u0026#39;s why or is that why you spent so much time 25 years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I remember you saying you made a commitment to every day writing what do I want. I journal for 25 years. Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And because I was coming off a divorce and bankruptcy which coincided on the same day, that was, August, August 15th 1978. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And you know, divorce and bankruptcy qualify as two bad report cards. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right right right, yes, I mean any way you interpret it, it\u0026#39;s a bad report card and so you know I was kind of in a state and one of the neat things when you go through a divorce and bankruptcy, people don\u0026#39;t throw parties for you to have you come and explain it you know they give you a lot of peace and quiet of your own, you know, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo I had about four or five months after August to think this through and I said you know, the reason why these things are happening is I\u0026#39;m not telling myself what I actually want. You know I\u0026#39;m assuming certain things about other people. I\u0026#39;m expecting other people expectations, assumptions about other people and other things. And I said, you know, I think the key here is that I\u0026#39;m not actually telling myself what I want. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And so. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I said myself what I want and so I said so. Nobody cares if I was divorced and bankruptcy, and nobody really cares whether I amount to anything you know you know, and I was 30, 30, 34 years old at that time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd once you hit 30, nobody cares you know, it just, we invest a lot in younger people until age 30 and then they kick you out of the nest and anything that\u0026#39;s going to happen in the future, you\u0026#39;re going to do it on your own. You\u0026#39;re not going to get a government grant to do it. And so I said, well, what I\u0026#39;m going to do is I\u0026#39;m just going to have one goal here. So I said, well, what I\u0026#39;m going to do is I\u0026#39;m just going to have one goal here. For the next 25 years, every day, I\u0026#39;m going to keep a journal and I\u0026#39;m going to write in it something that I want, With one constraint I\u0026#39;m not going to use the word, because I\u0026#39;m not going to use the word. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI just want it, I just want it. And I did that, I did it for 25 years I missed want it, I just want it, and I did that. I did it for 25 years. I missed 12 days. There are 9,131 days in 25 years including the six leap year days, and so it\u0026#39;s 9,131. And I did them on 9,119 days and my relationship with Babs came out of that. The whole strategic coach came out of that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know and all sorts of things, like the lifestyle I\u0026#39;m living and you know why today I don\u0026#39;t have to think about money at all because the money\u0026#39;s there and you know, and the type of people I\u0026#39;m spending my time with. So it feels good, but that that the other thing is I. What it proved is I have the ability to stick with something for 25 years, right on a daily basis on a daily conscious basis. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So still journal. Do you, uh, do you still journal? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e well, Dean, that\u0026#39;s a really great question. I do journal, but it\u0026#39;s in the form of using my tools on a daily basis. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I got you Okay, so you\u0026#39;re thinking about your thinking every day, like my fast filter, my fast filters. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you know fast filters. I\u0026#39;m saying what I want. It\u0026#39;s just mutated into different forms. I want it\u0026#39;s just mutated into different forms, but there isn\u0026#39;t a day that I go through where I\u0026#39;m not stating something that I\u0026#39;m planning to achieve sometime in the future. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that\u0026#39;s really. That\u0026#39;s something I\u0026#39;m coming up. Next April will be 30 years of, you know, daily journaling. Yeah, I mean of sequential, and I actually have all of the journals. It was April 1995. I would journal. I was always someone to write down my thinking, but not in an organized, archival kind of way. But April of 1995 is my journal number one the official like keeping that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So next year is the 30 years. Yeah, and it\u0026#39;s so funny that you know, like you said, I think more than half your life. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s exactly right. I just turned 58 on Friday and that was a you know, you mentioned you know at 30, I noticed that you did it at 29. Yeah, that there\u0026#39;s a different you know different experience level at 58 than there is at you know 29. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I remember when I first started with Strategic Coach in 1997, year one that was, I remember the three-year kind of vision thing was it was difficult for me to even like see three years into the future because everything up to that point had been constantly evolving. You know, and I just remember, as in real estate, you know, when I was young, starting in real estate, I remember there was talk of the, you know, halton hills the town where I was, had just released their 20 year plan and I thought to myself, man, that\u0026#39;s like that\u0026#39;s forever, that\u0026#39;s a lot. I don\u0026#39;t never get here. You know, 20 years, I can\u0026#39;t imagine that they\u0026#39;re thinking that far ahead. And I had a couple of experiences like that. One of the largest sale that I ever made was to an italian family that was land banking. They bought land on the corner of ninth line and steels in halton hills that wasn\u0026#39;t going to be developed. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e we we\u0026#39;re talking about Toronto. Yes, right, exactly Greater, Toronto area. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, in Halton Hills that was like the outer edge of the greater Toronto area and their expectation was that this was going to be land that would be developed in 40 years and that was almost exactly true as to when it, you know, came about. It\u0026#39;s just kind of that was their model. They would, you know, go, they were a development family and they would go out to the edge and buy the land that was inevitably going to be the development. So, you know, they owned a lot of land in Brampton and Mississauga that were, you know, at the time, rural areas that they bought, you know, 20 years previous, in the 60s, at that time, knowing that was going to be developed later on and what an interesting like long term vision, like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut that tell that story, because I always like to have you know kind of I look at my birthdays, I like to have like a day of reflection and looking forward and you know real and yes, uh, two days ago was your birthday, that\u0026#39;s right, yep, and so you know, looking, I have a completely different understanding and experience of what 25 years is, yeah, than I did when I was 29, right, and so it\u0026#39;s like, not you know, because I can still remember cracking the you know seal on journal number one, april 1995, virginia Beach. That was the you know day one journal one, and I still I can transport there, you know know, right now. It\u0026#39;s just amazing how your mind I\u0026#39;m just like I\u0026#39;m sure you can immediately remember your lunch that you had on the day you got bankrupt and divorced. You know, you probably recall that right there, but you couldn\u0026#39;t imagine it was actually a good lunch yeah, that right yeah because it was on the credit card you were about to turn in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, the interesting thing about it is I\u0026#39;ve been working on a concept and I was reminded of it because for our top guest speaker at the conference we had Kathy Ireland, the very famous model. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, wait, it wasn\u0026#39;t Joe Polish. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e As I said, we had our top speaker. It was Kathy Ireland. Joe was good. He was one of the three main speakers. Right yeah he should be delighted with that. Yeah, he should be delighted with that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Anyway. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Kathy Erland talked about how her intent was not to become a model. Not that she was against becoming a model, but that was never her intention to be a model. And she was just approached when she was on the beach in Santa Barbara California when she was 17. On the beach in Santa Barbara California when she was 17. And an agent came up to her and said you know, I think there\u0026#39;s a niche that if you wanted to become a model, you would really, you know, sort of a tomboy she\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, she was very athletic, she was very muscular and she, you know, she sort of had freckles and you know, and she did wonderfully for 15 years from age 17 to 32. And she was on many covers of magazines, especially Sports Illustrated, and but then when she was 32, she just decided to stop and while she was a model, she had taken a crack at creating different kinds of businesses, so it wasn\u0026#39;t something new, she said. I always knew I was going to be an entrepreneur and that the modeling gave me a bridge from where I was born, where I grew up, to the outside world. And then she stopped at 32. And for the last almost 30 years\u0026#39;s created a three and a half billion dollar global company. And it was really great. We have jeff madoff interviewers, so jeff, is how I know I had. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eJeff is how I know kathy, because he had her as a guest at a marketing class that he teaches at one of the New York universities. But one of the things I found in common with her she said I like getting older because you just know so much more, and one of the things I\u0026#39;m really appreciating at 80 is that I can really I can think of my life in terms of at least seven decades. You know, the first one\u0026#39;s a bit sketchy, you know, because you hadn\u0026#39;t really become conscious. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But you\u0026#39;ve recalled being out in the woods. Oh, no, no. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I have very good memories below 10. And I think I\u0026#39;ve enhanced them some, but you have what\u0026#39;s possible over long periods of time, you know and what you will stay with over long. I think one of the principal pieces of knowledge that you get as a benefit of getting older is you have a very clear idea of what exactly what you will stick with over a long period of time and we\u0026#39;re just, and we\u0026#39;re just trading reports here of something you stuck with and what I stuck with over a long period of time, and young people don\u0026#39;t have the advantage of doing that that\u0026#39;s exactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you can\u0026#39;t imagine and it\u0026#39;s very interesting to see how I spoke things into existence in that journal, leading up to them, like describing what I want, and to see how they started out as a seed in the journal and then became reality. You know, something it\u0026#39;s interesting to see and you wonder, you know, part of it is to keep that, you know, keep that rolling, keep it now looking forward in the next five. It\u0026#39;s as you say, it\u0026#39;s, you know, your I love about you at 80 is that your, you know future is still bigger than your past and that\u0026#39;s kind of an exciting thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I will say. This doesn\u0026#39;t naturally occur just by living years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no you have to be. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean the. To make the future bigger than your past at 80 takes a lot of. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, especially when. But maybe that goes to what your print too. Right, just achievement is a thing, that\u0026#39;s a motivator for you. For the sake of parties, for the sake of parties. That\u0026#39;s all the bigger parties. That\u0026#39;s all the bigger parties. That\u0026#39;s great, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Someone was asking me that. You know, when I looked at the conference that we just had in Nashville, wednesday and Thursday, people said, well, how would you plan a conference? I said, well, I didn\u0026#39;t plan the conference. It was my team members to plan the conference. So it was my team members to play in the conference. But I said my attitude toward the conference is what the party is going to be like on the final night. Yes, I work backwards from the party. What has to happen for it to be a great party? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, this is very exciting, that now it\u0026#39;s just coincidentally, two years from now, we do it at the same time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That be, yeah, first week of may is a good day. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s a good time, it\u0026#39;s good and we would do it at nashville and we would do it at the music city. I mean, we\u0026#39;re far enough ahead on the schedule that we know it would be your 60th birthday. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s right. Yeah, that\u0026#39;ll be right in time for peak Dean on my health journey here. You know that\u0026#39;ll be Back to my. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That was the year of the peak Dean. That\u0026#39;s exactly right, it\u0026#39;s almost, like you know, a periodic visit of the northern lights. Yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I think that\u0026#39;s very exciting. Yeah, and I\u0026#39;ve already said even more. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve already yeah, you put it in the calendar. It\u0026#39;ll be the week of your birthday, probably okay, I mean I don\u0026#39;t know what the week looks like, but let\u0026#39;s find out now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m yeah, but yeah, nashville, early early 2026, may 10th is a Sunday. Yeah, it won\u0026#39;t be that, it won\u0026#39;t be on a. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Sunday no, but it\u0026#39;ll be the week. It\u0026#39;ll be the week before, it\u0026#39;ll be the week before. But the thing is now that they\u0026#39;ve done it once and we\u0026#39;ve got a date in the calendar. First of all, they can put the date in the calendar and they can get the event company plugged in. And they can get the event company plugged in, they can get the reservation at the Music City. They can get the hotel bookings I think the hotel bookings most hotels you can\u0026#39;t get in for about six until six months before. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But as early as you can. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And yeah, we had a lot of bookings at the Four Seasons and you know, and we came in from the airport on Tuesday or on Tuesday? No, on Monday we came in, am I right? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e here. You came in on the Monday, yeah, because we spoke last Sunday yeah, I think I came. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We came in on the Monday, yeah, and and we. But when we arrived, there was this whole meeting party of Four Seasons personnel. They came up to us and treated us like they liked us oh right, imagine that yeah, which I take regardless of what their motive is it doesn\u0026#39;t matter, it still feels just as nice. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think that\u0026#39;s great. Mr. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Sullivan is the general manager of the hotel. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOh, we\u0026#39;re so happy to have you, Thank you. Thank you very much and a very friendly guy, yeah. So anyway, I\u0026#39;m going to work on this. The value of age. You know, there\u0026#39;s a lot of people and I\u0026#39;m noticing them, because I\u0026#39;m starting to notice how people who are getting up in years I won\u0026#39;t say they\u0026#39;re my age, but they\u0026#39;re getting up in years are falling into the general narrative of how people act when they get older and I\u0026#39;m just so convinced that they feel diminished because they haven\u0026#39;t constantly worked on having their future bigger than their past. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYes, there\u0026#39;s a point where they stop creating their future whenever that was there, was you know, well, and I think that you really have. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s a discipline that I constantly have to get myself to turn and have my gaze future focused, because as you do get older, you start that there\u0026#39;s more to look back on. You know, and you spend a lot of time revisiting the past, but all the action is in the future. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e There\u0026#39;s nothing, nothing you can do about the about the past, but yeah, but what I do is that I the past, if I remember. It can only be raw material for creating something new for the future. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Like when I go back and I remember a situation, I\u0026#39;ll say now what did I learn from that situation that I can use in the future? You know, I don\u0026#39;t accept the past\u0026#39;s interpretation of itself. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, say more about itself, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Say more about that. Yeah, and I had a friend for a number of years who I\u0026#39;d gone to college with and we\u0026#39;ve, you know, we have been in touch for 20 years and he said you don\u0026#39;t have any nostalgia, do you? You don\u0026#39;t look back and have an emotional. And I said no, I mean, first of all, I was given a chance, you know, when I was having the experience, to appreciate what it was Okay. So it had a momentary opportunity to really imprint me with its importance. But if I\u0026#39;m looking back from 20 years ago, it\u0026#39;s my interpretation of what it means to me going forward, not the interpretation. And I\u0026#39;m noticing, with the boomers, you know, there\u0026#39;s nothing more disgusting than a nostalgic boomer. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, like thinking about back in the day. Is that what you mean? 60s? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e well, 60s, you know, that\u0026#39;s the usual. The 60s and 70s, you know, and they were going to turn the world on its head. And then they became civil servants, they got jobs as government employees or they became teachers and everything else. And then you get with them and they go back and they say, oh, those were the days, and everything like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd it\u0026#39;s kind of, but I have this notion that up until 30, society really supports you. Society invests in you, the government invests in you, the community invests in you, your parents invest in you, the teachers, everybody invests in you. And at 30, they cut it off and they set you free. And it\u0026#39;s like I say about people say well, e know they have very high purchase. When the chicks are born, you know they\u0026#39;re hundreds of feet up the eagles, and then on one day the mother eagle, just there\u0026#39;s little eagles, they have wings. You know they have feathers, they have wings. She just pushes them all out of the nest. They have wings, she just pushes them all out of the nest. And the ones that don\u0026#39;t hit the ground know how to fly. The ones who hit the ground, you don\u0026#39;t have to worry about them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWow yeah, and I think society at a certain point they just push all the 30-year-olds out of the nest and they want to see if you can make anything. Is there anything different or unique, and if there isn\u0026#39;t, you just, more or less metaphorically, you hit the ground and you\u0026#39;re nothing more than what things were before. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e There\u0026#39;s nothing new. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e There\u0026#39;s nothing new, but I pushed myself out of the nest when I was 18 years old, so the time until I was 30 didn\u0026#39;t really mean anything. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But I don\u0026#39;t comprehend nostalgia, because my emotions are in the present, they\u0026#39;re not in the past. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yeah, and that\u0026#39;s what you realize, even in the future. I think when we were talking in Palm Beach earlier this year about the, you know the main thing is the future is really only shaped by the behaviors and habits and happens Really. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The future is shaped by your present capabilities. Yeah, so I don\u0026#39;t want to be looking backwards, as I\u0026#39;m living the present. I want to be fully alive because it\u0026#39;s my up-to-dateness with the present that determines the quality of the future. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yeah, bringing there here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s really interesting. We had a whole raft of speakers. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, tell me about some of the highlights. What were some of the highlights? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I didn\u0026#39;t get to all of them, because I went to every hour. You had a breakout session. I went to it, but there were different streams and tracks. I mean they\u0026#39;re all going to be videoed. I mean they were all videoed so everybody\u0026#39;s going to be able to see them. But I went to one and they had a couple of futurists there and I wasn\u0026#39;t impressed. I wasn\u0026#39;t impressed, and more and more over the last 10 years, since we did the collaboration with Peter Diamandis to create Abundance360, I always knew that people could be trapped in the past, in other words, that they were doing every day trying to hold on to the past. Okay, but I\u0026#39;m just as convinced now that people can get trapped into the future. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey can get trapped, that they can\u0026#39;t really be aware of what\u0026#39;s going on right now because their mind is in a realm that hasn\u0026#39;t happened yet and one of the things I know it makes them very nervous, makes them very anxious, anxious. And the thing that I found really interesting about these two speakers, the husband and wife team, was that they were making up all sorts of crazy words to describe what\u0026#39;s happening, and you should be aware of this. And they had a word called templosion, which you know temp is, I guess, a Latin word for time, something and implosion, which I guess adds on a notion of explosion and that we\u0026#39;re in a period of templosion, where there\u0026#39;s hundreds of different ways that you\u0026#39;re going to have to choose your life. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I was sitting there and I said no, well, I know, 20 years, or I know 20 years from now, exactly what my life is going to look like. I don\u0026#39;t know the details but, I, know it\u0026#39;s going to be a direct extension of what I\u0026#39;m doing today. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I know 80 percent of it. It will be expanding. I\u0026#39;ll meet all sorts of new people. There\u0026#39;s all going to be, but what\u0026#39;s happening in the rest of the world and what other people are doing really don\u0026#39;t, it doesn\u0026#39;t really matter to me that much. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I like that. I mean, that\u0026#39;s what I realized in the journaling. I have two things. You something you said about. You know that spending time, you know, in the future is there\u0026#39;s a lot of temptation or opportunity to just stay constantly planning and thinking about the future without actually you know, I\u0026#39;ve been using the word applying yourself. You know, I found that it\u0026#39;s in our minds the things that motivate us to actually do something. We only do things in the present. So our own, you know our, you know our behaviors extended over time are what we define as habits, but it\u0026#39;s really the behavior that\u0026#39;s to be done today. You know, and I realized that writing in your journal and thinking about or planning for, or architecting or doing all these things that are future gazing is not actually applying yourself, it\u0026#39;s not actually putting anything on the record. It\u0026#39;s the equivalent of to the committee in our brain that actually controls what we do. It\u0026#39;s the equivalent of quietly sitting in the corner coloring. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBecause no matter what anything that you do in your journal. The great deception is that it feels like that\u0026#39;s actually making a difference. Right, that you\u0026#39;re actually accomplishing something, but it\u0026#39;s not. Until you break that barrier of getting it out of your head into and on the permanent record in the form of an action or a behavior. It\u0026#39;s not going to do anything. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think the big thing and I think it\u0026#39;s a hard realization. I think it\u0026#39;s maybe one of the harder realizations that nobody has ever lived in the future and nobody has ever lived in the past. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, you only live in the moment. You know, and it and a lot of people just aren\u0026#39;t capable of being conscious of the moment because their attention is being either dragged back backwards or pushed forwards and they\u0026#39;re thinking about next, they\u0026#39;re not thinking about next year. They\u0026#39;re not thinking about, they can\u0026#39;t think about next year because everything\u0026#39;s happening right now. They can\u0026#39;t think about 10 years ago, because everything\u0026#39;s happening right now, and I think being present-minded is hard. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYes, I think it takes really an enormous amount of mental muscle to actually just be aware that things are happening right now and the way you handle things right now basically makes the future. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, that\u0026#39;s the only thing that makes the future. It\u0026#39;s the brick by brick layer. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know what I mean it\u0026#39;s really the truth. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s that in the tapestry or whatever, that we can only see the accomplishment of it. But you realize that you can. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I bet in the world of brick layers it\u0026#39;s what a person can do in a day that really puts them at the top of their craft. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think you\u0026#39;re absolutely right. Yes, and it\u0026#39;s only on the reflection. You know, great walls are only built on the you know, compilation of daily accomplishment. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know the thing is you can change any of it at any time. You know the thing is you can change any of it at any time. That\u0026#39;s what I realized is in reflection, you know, when I was thinking about those, the elements of a perfect life, and really getting down to the, you know how DNA has, you know, the five elements of it, that if you look at the DNA of a perfect life, it\u0026#39;s, you know, the elements are me, like everything. If I were to strip me naked and drop me on a deserted island, everything I have there, that\u0026#39;s me, the portable things. Then time is life\u0026#39;s moving at the speed of reality. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e60 minutes per hour in perpetuity and you\u0026#39;re always doing something in there, then environments are the things that are. You know. You basically put yourself in or you\u0026#39;ve been put in to an environment. That is your version of what\u0026#39;s happening here, where, geographically, where you are, that where you live, what you have, what you do, all of those things are environments and you could, in theory, all of those things are environments and you could, in theory, move your, so I mean, you could completely change your environment. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat\u0026#39;s what you\u0026#39;re thinking of the immigrant, right of you could leave everything behind and go change the environment and decide everything that you\u0026#39;re going to do. Then the element of people meaning all the people that are around you, and money. So the combination of all of those five things are what create what we would call a life, you know, and I love like I find that infinitely entertaining too, you know in terms of yeah, the other thing is that, uh, one of the things that was predicted for me by other people is that as you get get older, time speeds up. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, and since I 70, I\u0026#39;ve experienced just the opposite. Time slowed down during the 70s and the years just took their time, and I think the reason is, I think it has to do with consciousness. You know, and I think that you know when you\u0026#39;re, you know when you\u0026#39;re a child, you\u0026#39;re learning everything. So you\u0026#39;re, you know, you\u0026#39;re, everything is kind of new and you\u0026#39;re exploring it and everything else, and then, as you get on, a lot of your experience you already knew that. So it\u0026#39;s not significant, okay, but I think what happens with a lot of people, they are never actually creating their experience. There he is. I got a phone call that interrupted our phone call oh man, how rude somebody named Stephanie ok and. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI immediately hit just to say you have no right. You\u0026#39;re trespassing, that\u0026#39;s right. Yeah, be gone. Where did I leave the thought that I was on? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you were talking about consciousness. That\u0026#39;s what you were saying. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think consciousness is the number of times during any time period that you\u0026#39;re actually conscious of what\u0026#39;s happening to you Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I think it\u0026#39;s massive when you\u0026#39;re a child, because everything\u0026#39;s new, right, but as we, let\u0026#39;s say, we\u0026#39;re now 20, we\u0026#39;ve actually mastered a lot of things that were new and now they\u0026#39;re known, actually mastered a lot of things that were new and now they\u0026#39;re known. I think, therefore, the number of situations when you\u0026#39;re 20, that you\u0026#39;re suddenly struck by something new is less than when you were, you know, four or five or six years old, okay, and so you\u0026#39;re moving quickly from one moment of consciousness to another. And when you\u0026#39;re six, it might be 20 things a day. That\u0026#39;s a long day, but if it\u0026#39;s 20 times a week when you\u0026#39;re 20, that\u0026#39;s a faster week, and if it\u0026#39;s 20 times in a quarter, when you\u0026#39;re 50 that\u0026#39;s a really fast quarter and when it\u0026#39;s 20 times, when you\u0026#39;re 20 times in a year, when you\u0026#39;re 70. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI think that whether time is going fast or slow depends upon the number of consciousness things about something new that\u0026#39;s happening in your life. And I found over the period of the last 10 years. I was back to having suddenly new conscious things that were happening. You know many times. You know many times a week or a day and time slowed back down, so it\u0026#39;s actually being conscious. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s really, you know, that\u0026#39;s almost like Euclidean, that\u0026#39;s like euclidean geometry, you know yeah, that that harmonizes with something that I heard about. Why it the perception is that it moves faster is that when we\u0026#39;re looking back, the routine reads as one experience, right? So you\u0026#39;re looking back at the thing, if you\u0026#39;ve been, if your life becomes waking up in the same place, driving to the same job, sitting at the same desk, interacting with the same people and you look back over time at that, that all reads as one experience and it\u0026#39;s only the new and novel consciousness moments that you were just talking about that get registered and recorded that single experience for some people may have. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Another year just went by. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s exactly right and that\u0026#39;s what oh well, that was fast where that was fast. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Where\u0026#39;s the time go? Where\u0026#39;s the? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e time go. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s not a function of time, it\u0026#39;s a function of consciousness. Right, that\u0026#39;s exactly right, and we\u0026#39;ve had at least five conscious things in the last hour. I love that, Dan. We\u0026#39;ve done each other a favor over the last 60 minutes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m very excited about the culmination, the 60th. I\u0026#39;m reframing CoachCon as a peak theme celebration. I\u0026#39;m just I\u0026#39;m taking it for me, that\u0026#39;s what it\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Not that you didn\u0026#39;t have something to live for before, but we just put some kind of put a cherry at the top of your whipped cream. Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve had something that I was already on the path of you know, and that\u0026#39;s kind of that\u0026#39;s kind of great. Yeah, I just celebrated nine nine weeks of the peak Dean path here, so that\u0026#39;s all it\u0026#39;s very exciting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s been a good nine weeks, hasn\u0026#39;t it? It really has. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, it shows the whole you know thing of accountability and the plan and Somebody else\u0026#39;s executive function, that\u0026#39;s exactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Now I\u0026#39;m looking honestly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s the thing Now. I\u0026#39;m looking for that in my you know, in deciding in my productivity now, in all the times that I\u0026#39;m, because I realized what an abundance of time I have you know, and very. I have what you would call very little environmental drag on my life in terms of time, commitments or obligations or people or other things, so it\u0026#39;s a huge palette to play on Attempts on the part of other people to use up your life. Yeah, exactly, there\u0026#39;s no claims to it, that\u0026#39;s exactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo I\u0026#39;ve got no excuse. So now it\u0026#39;s just like I get to architect this amazing adventure here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know the thing that\u0026#39;s going to be the highlight in the election campaign. It might happen in the next week or two where Trump finally sends the judge in the current trial in New York over the edge. He says I\u0026#39;m sending you to jail, and then the United States is just fixated on. Trump. He won\u0026#39;t be in a normal cell. Of course He\u0026#39;ll have a phone. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOf course he\u0026#39;ll have a phone and he\u0026#39;ll be messages from Rikers Island, which is the main jail and he\u0026#39;ll have lineups of everybody wanting to get his autograph and his picture taken in Rikers. And you know he\u0026#39;ll be giving campaign speeches to all the prison guards and everything else. And meanwhile President Joe will have to be reminded who he is again and what his job is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, my goodness. Well, we got six months. That\u0026#39;s the exciting thing here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e This is very exciting. This is very exciting. This is very, this is a and. And people say, isn\u0026#39;t it a tragedy? I says what\u0026#39;s a tragedy? And they said just the preposterousness presidential campaign. And I says, well, it depends on how you look at it. Because a lot of people say, well, this is crucial. You know the future, the world depends upon this. And I said, well, america has so much going for it, the United States has so much for it, it\u0026#39;s got so much leadership at every level of activity that Americans are the only people on the planet in the history of humanity that can just treat domestic politics as a form of popular entertainment. Oh man, so I don\u0026#39;t think you\u0026#39;re approaching this correctly. You think that this is actually important, but it\u0026#39;s entertainment. And then the question is who is the most entertaining candidate? And that I can predict yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It would be amazing to see it all unfold, how it plays out. I still see Las Vegas still has all the odds makers still have Donald Trump as the winner. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think it\u0026#39;s in the 60s. Well, it depends on whether they\u0026#39;re doing it with all the candidates or just the main two. But I think the betting markets I check every couple. I think the betting markets I check every couple weeks, the betting market. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, it\u0026#39;s been generally 60, 65 and you know and you know, which is surprising, because a lot of the big, wealthy democratic donors could be gaming the market, you know, just throwing a lot of money into the market. But but these are the las ve. I mean Las Vegas puts a bet on everything, so it\u0026#39;s probably some legitimacy to what their bets are. Yeah, yeah, and it goes deeper than a particular issue. You know, it\u0026#39;s just like. You know, it\u0026#39;s almost like which one of them could actually be there at the end of another four years, and I think that\u0026#39;s part of it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHoly cow yeah yeah, that\u0026#39;s exactly true yeah, it\u0026#39;s like a horse race, where you\u0026#39;re betting to see if any of them could actually get to the finish line right oh my goodness, we know they could be at the starting gate. We just don\u0026#39;t know which one\u0026#39;s going to actually finish you know, yeah, that\u0026#39;s so that\u0026#39;s amazing, yeah all righty are we uh on next week? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eyes, nope, I\u0026#39;m on a plane trip to london on sunday of next week. So and the week after I, yeah, the week after I can do it from a hotel room in cleveland okay, perfect, but I\u0026#39;ll have to give you the. I\u0026#39;ll have to give you the date of the time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, no problem. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I might have to get you up early. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s okay. It\u0026#39;s my only thing on these Sundays. Yeah it\u0026#39;s my only thing, so it\u0026#39;s the highlight of my day Okay thank you, thanks, bye, bye. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, I reflect on the successful launch of our inaugural CoachCon conference, which brought together 350 members of the Strategic Coach community in Nashville. \r\n\r\nThe vibrant energy of Music City and the exceptional facilities of the Music City Center made for an experience surpassing expectations.\r\n\r\n\r\nOur discussion centers on cultivating the mental fortitude needed to remain anchored amid future-focused hustle. We connect this to aspects like political endurance while acknowledging the enrichment that unfolding daily actions alone confer on tomorrow's potential.\r\n","date_published":"2024-05-23T13:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/d10c0ff5-ec5a-443c-8f9f-26ae74a555c6.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":39429167,"duration_in_seconds":3282}]},{"id":"615be475-1ec3-4817-8772-79bdc5862144","title":"Ep128: Balancing Health and Habit","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/128","content_text":"In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, I reminisce about our wonderful experience at the recent Cloudlandia conference at Canyon Ranch in Tucson facilitated by the legendary Joe Polish.\n\nWe discuss the importance of maintaining an active lifestyle through routines like DEXA scans. Our conversation explores cultivating daily habits that balance productivity and creativity without overcommitting. \n\nWrapping up, we tackle the nuances of time management as entrepreneurs and commitment levels' impact on execution. Discover how dependability and prudent social media actions shape future opportunities, drawing from Kevin O'Leary's wisdom.\n\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\n\n\n\n    Dan  and I delve into the significance of the series' theme song and its role in their listening routine, based on Chris's reflections.\n    We discuss Chris's trip to Tucson and their perspective on the moderated conference experience led by Joe Polish at Canyon Ranch.\n    We highlight the importance of maintaining consistency and improvement over time, drawing upon the eight profit activators as an example.\n    Dan analyzes a typical day at Canyon Ranch through Chris's recount, emphasizing the value of health checks like the DEXA scan for body composition.\n    We explore the paradox of having ample free time yet facing a lack of productivity due to multiple options.\n    Dan and I discuss the various levels of commitment and how they influence the ability to complete tasks, especially in the entrepreneurial environment.\n    The chapter on trust, money, and social media is explored, examining the challenges of relying on unpredictable and the personal ethos of dependability.\n    We assess the intertwined nature of trust, money, and social media, referencing Kevin O'Leary's perspective on the potential long-term impacts of public actions.\n     reflect on Chris's strategy for managing time and commitments, including his rule against traveling for marketing purposes.\n    The episode concludes with us having a candid conversation about procrastination, commitment, and the challenge of executing tasks without external scaffolding.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDan: Welcome to Cloudlandia. You know, the theme song to this series might be the song that I've listened to more in my life than any other song. \n\nDean: Oh, that's funny I like it. \n\nDan: I was going through the archives and I said you know, I don't think I've listened to any song as much as I have this song. That's so funny. Yeah, I love it Good music though. It's good music. \n\nDean: And good message. \n\nDan: And it, I love it, it's good music, though. \n\nDean: It's good music, yes, and good message. \n\nDan: And it's good message. \n\nDean: It's always a reminder. So welcome back. You've been on the road, arizona. \n\nDan: Yes, how was that? Oh, it was great. We were in Tucson for about five days at Canyon Ranch, and the weather was absolutely superb. In Fahrenheit terms it was roughly about 75. \n\nDean: Yeah, perfect right. \n\nDan: Clear, cool nights, blue skies, no rain and the genius was great. Joe is really in the sweet spot. \n\nJoe Polish is really in the sweet spot because he's controlling it now with his interviews and I think that's terrific, because he had six different guests and if they're just giving a presentation, it can be from bad to really great. But what Joe provides, he just does a framework and of course he directs them with questions and he knows the audience, he knows the speakers, so he's doing a great job of moderating and I think that's a terrific move. \n\nDean: I like the new setup too that he's got there, the stage with the kind of environment that's good, nice, the kind of environment that's good, Nice. \n\nDan: Well, let's Proves that, if you just stick with some things long enough, you know it turns really superb after a while if you keep making improvements. \n\nDean: Wow, I can't say enough about that being true. I was really. I've been thinking that about the. I've been going back looking at the eight profit activators as the example of how long you know I would say I've been working on this for 30 years, unconsciously, and the last 20 of it consciously and the distinctions, the reliable, that I've generated from all the ways that we've applied, all the number of data sets and iterations and different applications that are still like, it's just kind of great. It's a shortcut to really identifying what needs to be done, and every new iteration of a durable playbook is adding new distinctions. So much certainty in the things. I just can't wait to see, you know, the next 20 years of that real like dedicated application, because it's not going anywhere, you know. \n\nDan: Yeah, I think you know I'm sort of a stick with things for a long time. \n\nDean: Yes, yes. \n\nDan: And I mean, if people are telling you they're getting value out of it, their checks indicate yes, yes, things going in a workshop and I'm, you know, I'm always seeing new things and and everything like that. But you know, we were. I was just reflecting that this is 35 years for the program, the workshop program, and it's pretty much not too different in 2024 than it was in 1989. \n\nI mean 2024 than it was in 1989. I mean it's basically you're doing thinking processes, you're chatting with each other individually, you're having general discussions, there's visuals to represent what's going to happen and all the money's up front. \n\nDean: Yeah, I mean, listen, I call those things durable contexts and what you've got there, like the strategic coach program and the workshops, it's not unsimilar to what 60 Minutes has going for it, the. It's been the same context in sunday night 7 pm tick, tick, tick three long form stories on the most fascinating things in the zeitgeist right now. That's never going to get old. That's really. You know, it's like the same thing. You look at quarterly meetings gathered with your peers thinking about your thinking in a group of people who are thinking the same way. So I think that's the cheat code is understanding what those durable contexts are and allowing the content to fit within that. \n\nYou know. \n\nDan: Yeah, there was a great old parody, I don't know 20 years ago, and it's the new marketing manager for Coors Beer and he's saying yeah, and he's in a meeting with Mr Coors the current Mr. Coors and he says yeah. \n\nHe said yeah, we've done a lot of research and you know we feel that the color that we've been using for the labels of Coors beer are not up to speed with what people really like and therefore we're suggesting that we switch the color of the labels. And Mr Coors says I like the color we've got. He says yes sir, yes sir, Mr Coors. \n\nDean: Yes, sir, we're going to go with the color. \n\nDan: And he says we feel that you know the typeface that we're using, the Coors typeface, is from the. It's really from the 19th century. And he said so we're suggesting this new typeface. And Mr Gores says I like the typeface the way it is. \n\nDean: He says yes, mr Gores. \n\nDan: And then he says we're thinking that the bottle is very in old shape, you know, and it's not really up to date with modern design and therefore we're recommending this new shape of the bottle and we want to change the color of the bottle too. And he says to Mr Kors says I like the old bottle and I like the color we've got. Yes, mr Kors, okay, we're all set to go on our new campaign right, that sounds like your conversation when they wanted to change the fonts right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I like Helvetica. \n\nWe're going to stick with. \n\nDean: Helvetica Awesome, I love it. Well, Dan, what was your? What's a day in the life in Canyon Ranch? You've been going there now for as long as I've known you. \n\nDan: Yeah, 1990 was our first trip, so this is our 55th visit and many years. We've gone twice, twice. Well, it's a nice place, it's very congenial, it's very comfortable and it's well kept up. And, you know, the food is good. They have terrific massage therapists. I mean, they have dozens and dozens of massage therapists, some of them, one of them we have we've been seeing her for 25 years, you know, and there's just a nice quality. It's very predictable, there's no tension, it's very laid back, and so I get up in the morning and, you know, once we're set to go, I'll go out for a walk, and they have a two mile loop around the property oh wow and one of them is quite a challenging hill, okay. \n\nSo what I could do is I go out and I start working the hill from top to bottom and I do that. I do that for about a half hour. You know. \n\nDean: Up and down, you know gets the heart rate up yeah and now with my repaired knee I was gonna ask do you feel? \n\nDan: the difference. Yeah, yeah, it's. Uh, there's a bit tenderness about especially coming down it's going up is fine, it's coming down. That puts more stress on your knee right and then then we go for breakfast and there's two choices they have sort of a very informal cafe and then they have a restaurant with full menu. And then I do a lot of reading. I read the Wall Street Journal on six days of the week and Babs and I just agree when we're going to rendezvous for lunch. \n\nDean: She does a lot more. \n\nDan: She does a lot more consultations. She does more investigating new things, which eventually I introduced to some of them. But she's much more active. She gets more tests than I do and I do one test probably every year for 20 years since the body composition. Oh, yeah, like a DEXA scan, right, right, dexa scan, yeah, and it's the gold standard as far as I can tell. You know, and then you compare and I got 20 years of records and you know, need some more care. \n\nThings are okay here and you know you go there and then the afternoon I'll have at least one massage a day and I do that. But I do a lot of reading. I've got my detective stories, my thrillers, my international geopolitical thrillers, and you know I'll wander around around and I get my steps in, I get my three rings on my apple watch bin and we meet for dinner. We usually do it pretty early and we you know and come home and I'll check the news, internet news and read some articles and then I'm off to bed and multiply that by five days. \n\nDean: Do it again. \n\nDan: Yeah, and you feel revived. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: But I, you know, I mean at after 35, 50 years of coaching and 35 years of the company and the program. I don't really get that stressed out for my work. Right, I mean you know I'm in my unique ability. I have certain things to do every day. \n\nDean: There's deadlines. \n\nDan: There's always lots of projects going, and so it's not like to go on to free days, which Canyon Ranch always. Isn't that much of a change for me from? The way I operate on my workday. I'm never doing more than three projects for the day. I have lots of time between projects. I only hold myself accountable for getting three things done a day. My scheduler, Becca, always makes sure I have at least a half hour between anything that involves a meeting with someone else. \n\nAnd yeah, so that's pretty well that I mean. But I get a lot done. I mean I'm more productive at 80 than I was at 60. \n\nDean: So yeah, that's my thing. How much of your time during the week like when you're on a typical home week, work week is scheduled like synchronous and scheduled with other people, versus you saying these are the three things I'm going to work on, or are they always involving other people? \n\nDan: No, I have days when it's just me getting my part of a project done that has to be then sent off to somebody else. But I have days when there's no meetings. The vast majority of them are Zoom meetings, not in-person meetings. \n\nDean: And I have a regular schedule the workshops are in the schedule. \n\nDan: The two-hour catch-up calls that we've introduced for Zoom they're in the schedule. I have podcasts they're scheduled. The only thing that's left up to me is creating new tools. \n\nDean: Right. \n\nDan: You know, and the other thing is new chapters of the current book and that goes off, and then we have recording sessions and so on. But I would say that if I look ahead at a year, 85% of that year is going to be totally known on the first day of the year. \n\nDean: Really, yeah, yeah, like with scheduled slots for when it's happening, yeah. \n\nDan: Very interesting. Yeah, and I've introduced a new rule in 79, that I will never travel for marketing purposes. \n\nDean: Right, exactly. \n\nDan: Yeah, and I will never give a speech. I'll do an interview, but I won't do a speech. \n\nDean: Right or. \n\nDan: I'll put an audience through a thinking tool, but I won't give a speech, so my days of speechifying are in the past, right, right, right. And I won't give any speech for publicity purposes, I only give a speech for marketing purpose. I mean, I'll only do a public, you know, presentation and a movie tool only for marketing purpose. I'll only speak to audiences that are qualified clients, qualified prospects. Yeah, yeah, and that's basically an easygoing tourist's life. \n\nDean: Yeah, exactly, I forgot, that's another thing. \n\nDan: You have a birthday in about three days, right? \n\nDean: That's right. May 10th that's exactly right may 10th. \n\nDan: It's yes, right yeah, so that's what is that friday? \n\nDean: that is friday, yeah, yeah. So that's that one little thing, that one week of time where I'm only 21 years younger than you. I catch up on you for a little bit and then you take over again. \n\nDan: Yeah, I have to give you a teaser before I frustrate you. \n\nDean: Okay, let's hear it. \n\nDan: Yeah, no, it's 20. \n\nDean: You get to be 21 years younger. I got you Right, right, right. \n\nDan: Then it gets taken away from you. Yes, exactly, just when. \n\nDean: I think I'm catching up. Yeah, yeah, a little boost. That's so funny. Yeah, I've forgotten that we're both Taurus. That's something we are very similar. I think that's why we have such an easy friendship. I think because we're essentially a lot alike, I mean our whole being. \n\nDan: I think we're essentially lazy luxury-loving innovators. \n\nDean: Lazy luxury-loving innovators, I like it. \n\nDan: That's pretty true. \n\nDean: It's the truth. You're absolutely right. Yes, yes, yes, in the best sense of all of those words. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I think both of us exhibit sort of a lifestyle that's different from what we learned when we were growing up. \n\nDean: That's true, yeah, I don't know what instilled it in us, but it was self-discovered. Really, Nobody taught us this. \n\nDan: And we both like shortcuts. \n\nDean: We both have a passion. \n\nDan: It's very interesting I haven't actually driven a car in the city of Toronto in easily 25 years. \n\nDean: I think that's amazing yeah. \n\nDan: And you know I have a limousine company that handles all my scheduled stuff. And then Babs. You know we're very much in sync in terms of what we like to do for entertainment and for socializing we're very much in sync, and what it's allowed me to do is to really notice shortcuts in the city because I'll see. You know, I'm a real map addict. I like maps. \n\nAnd I'll see something I said. I wonder, if you go through this alleyway here and you come out here, whether it's a shortcut when there's busy times and I got about 20, 25 of them in the city that Google doesn't know about. \n\nDean: Oh boy, okay, yeah, you've got the knowledge. \n\nDan: Yeah, I got. I've got the knowledge. Google stays within the framework of what are considered official streets. You know they it doesn't, and probably they have to do that. \n\nI mean, that's not, it's not their job to be doing it and and so one of the limousine drivers said, you know, he went to the president of the company, the owner, and he says, you know, we should have mr sullivan up here, he knows more shortcuts than anyone I've ever seen and and the owner of the company. Why would we want the trip to be any shorter? \n\nDean: Unbelievable, huh. \n\nDan: Isn't that? \n\nDean: funny, that's the best. Why would we want it to be any shorter? \n\nDan: No, and I can see his point of view, I guess. \n\nDean: but wow, I can't tell you, dan, how much I'm looking forward to being in Toronto. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: Really am. \n\nDan: Now you're coming in. When are you coming in? \n\nDean: On a. \n\nDan: Monday. \n\nDean: The workshop's on a Monday the workshop is on Monday, right the 20th, so I think I'm going to come in probably the week before. I'll probably come in. I may come in at the very latest the 17th, and so I would be available for a table 10 or whatever table they assign us on the 18th, if that works in your schedule, and then I'm going to do a breakthrough blueprint on the 27th, 28th, 29th. So I'm going to stay for at least two weeks. \n\nDan: Are you staying at the Hazleton I? \n\nDean: believe so. Yes, there are the four seasons. \n\nDan: one of the two yeah, because our wonderful French restaurant in Yorkville is gone. \n\nDean: I know exactly. \n\nDan: Jacques Bistro. \n\nYou know, they basically packed it in at the end of the previous year, so the COVID year started in March 2020. So right at the end of 2019, they packed it in and their son you know, their son and daughter were. I was leaving this was right at the end of the 2019, I was there and I was going down the steps and he said Mr Sullivan, do you mind if I have your picture taken and we're putting together sort of, you know, a panorama of all the longtime guests? And I said sure, and then they they always closed down for the month of January, july too, yeah, yeah, in January, and they never came back. After January it was closed, and so I don't think they were sensing anything, but I think they had just more or less packed it in without telling anybody Because it's all gone. Now it's some other business. It was a very small restaurant, I know because it's all gone now and it's some other business. \n\nDean: You know it's. It was a very small restaurant. \n\nDan: You know I mean they may do, for they may do for almost 40 years with about at most they might've had 40 seats in the restaurant. That wasn't a very big restaurant Right. But let's Select is good, let's Select they sold. The two partners sold. They had been with it for 40 years and they sold and it's. You know the menu is smaller. There's some things not on the menu that I liked, but you know it's great. \n\nDean: Have you been to? There's the new French restaurant in Yorkville, off of you know where, if you go Bel Air basically that where Bel Air meets Yorkville if you continue across Yorkville in that little alleyway, there's a new French restaurant. I think. Yeah, they didn't last. No, they didn't Okay. No, cause they came in just before. \n\nDan: COVID right, yeah, they didn't last. Oh, they didn't Okay. No, because they came in just before COVID right? No, they didn't last at all. Okay, yeah, and I'm just trying to think. \n\nDean: Sophia Is there another? Sophia is another one. I think it's new, but I haven't experienced it. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, you know, there were a lot of casualties from the, you know. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: Actually, Yorkville has gotten a lot less interesting because restaurants have gone out and retail stores have come in oh interesting. It doesn't have the same entertainment value that it did. \n\nDean: Interesting, I may have to rethink Where's the new? Where would be a suitable place for a guy? \n\nDan: like me, the Hazleton is really good. I mean, they're one restaurant there is really good, but you know I would go for Le Select, just for old time's sake. \n\nDean: Of course, yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: And we'll put it in the menu. I have a whole bunch of medical things. Usually on Saturday I go to my biofeedback program. \n\nDean: I go to osteo-stron and I get my hair cut. Okay. \n\nDan: But I can leave off the two medical things that day and just get my haircut. \n\nDean: Okay, fair enough. \n\nDan: And we'll, yeah, put it in for 1130. Would that be good? That's fantastic. \n\nDean: I love it. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, it's not table 10 anymore, but we can get the same table, yeah, and that's where we. \n\nDean: That's where we, that's where we launched the podcast series the joy of procrastination was launched right there. \n\nDan: Yeah, what are you thinking about procrastination now, after all these? \n\nDean: years. I think it's amazing. I mean, I think this whole idea of the you know as a superpower, I think it's absolutely true. What I still I'll tell you what I'm personally working on right now is my ability to do what I say I'm going to do. At the time, I say I'm going to do it without any external scaffolding, and I'm realizing that. You know, I'm just now eight weeks into the health program that I'm doing with Jay and Team Dean all together there, and what I've found is that's working really well because it's created the external scaffolding and support and exoskeleton that allows me to stay on track, or create that bobsled run, as Ned Halliwell would say. \n\nAnd so now my attention in May here now is turning to myself. I have, Dan, an abundance of time. I have, all of you know, a consulting client that I talk to on Tuesdays at one. I have a my real estate accelerator group on Wednesdays at three, and then on alternate Thursdays, I have my co-agent call and my email mastery call, and so, all told, it's four to six hours a week of synchronous and scheduled requirement. Right, Then I basically have 100% of all of my time available, and I do. I've always sort of you know having free time leads to having the ability to be creative and do things, but what I find is I often end up in a paralysis of opportunity. \n\nyou know of that I could do this I could do this, I could do this, I could all of those intentions. You know that I could do this, I could do this, I could do this, I could all of those intentions you know. But I very rarely get anything done. Fits and spurts right, and so that's what I'm really kind of. I'm really trying to figure out the formula for me on that. \n\nDan: That's why I was curious about you know, you know, I would say this that I, if I didn't have obligations, or commitments. Let's say commitments, yeah, like I have, I have commitments. I wouldn't be very productive just on my own Right. I mean, I won't do something just because I want to do something. To see it, it has to involve my team and it has to involve my clients, otherwise I won't do it Right. And so I always have deadlines related to those two parties, and I really like deadlines. \n\nI really like deadlines because, you know, and usually I get it done just before it's needed. And the reason I like that is if I just have enough time to actually and I don't have any more time, I just have enough time to get something done, then I'm totally focused. If I've got more than enough time to get something done, then I'm totally focused. If I've got more than enough time to get something done, then I can be distracted by something else Me too. \n\nDean: I realized I started thinking about a progression of the way things are going to get done. Most certainly is synchronous and scheduled is 100% certainty that it's going to get done. Then kernis and unscheduled is also getting done, like that's what other my consulting clients or the people that I work with we don't have necessarily every tuesday at one o'clock or whatever it may hey, are you available to talk? You know, on this day and we put it in the calendar and but it's not like recurring, that, it's not locked in obligation. I usually keep my calendar. You know I schedule those things about two weeks out. \n\nAnd then the next level up then. So that's synchronous and sort of unscheduled, but we'll do it. Then the next thing is asynchronous with a deadline, is likely to get done, but the thing where I want to be is asynchronous at my discretion and that's the most joyful thing, but nothing ever gets done. \n\nDan: That's the reality, right? Yeah, it's really funny. I was having a conversation about it was with someone at Genius Network. You don't know them and they were talking about how they're really into Zen. Know them, and they were talking about how they're really into zen okay, and and you know the oriental, you know that you detach from, you know physical reality, more or less yes, and, and I said, you know I've read things about them. You know I've read things, but reading things about zen isn't them right you know, it's not them. \n\nYou know, and and said the one thing I've noticed about people who are really deeply into Zen they're not real go-getters. \n\nDean: Interesting yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, because for them, the things of the world, they're not really real. \n\nDean: You know they're sort of delusional. \n\nDan: And anyway, and I said, I have a really enjoyable engagement with the world. Yes, and it's entrepreneurial, so that makes it more enjoyable. I have nothing in my life that involves dealing with people who are in bureaucratic, private sector, bureaucratic or public sector. I have no nothing to do with anyone like that, and so everyone I mean my entire environment. I'm hearing an enormous amount of sound. \n\nDean: Sorry about that. \n\nDan: What I notice is that I live in almost like a complete entrepreneurial universe. I mean both business-wise and also socially you know, so I don't really know much about what's happening outside of the entrepreneurial world. I mean, I read it. I mean I read it on the internet, but it doesn't really impact on me. You know, I mean taxes do, inflation does and everything like that, but not in a serious way. And the exchange rate between the US dollar and the Canadian dollar is very comfortable right now. \n\nDean: It's about $1.37. \n\nDan: Okay, yeah, I always enjoy that. \n\nDean: It's a nice offset. \n\nDan: Yeah, people say, why do you live in Toronto with the taxes so high? And I says, well, it all depends on where your money is coming from. \n\nDean: Right right, right right, and you know the patents are. \n\nDan: We're up to 19 now. We have 19 patents so far. And that has its own asset value. And yeah, so it's really nice right now At 80, it's really at age 80. So it's really nice right now at 80, it's really at age 80. It's really nice. \n\nDean: Yeah, is that so? I am curious, though, if so, the deadlines. If we think about that progression right Of synchronous and scheduled, synchronous unscheduled with a deadline and asynchronous at your discretion, where's your power zone? Are you able to spend time productively in asynchronous at your discretion, or does what drives your thing be the deadline? \n\nDan: No, I let other people schedule my life. I let other people schedule my life. Okay, yeah so all the dates in the calendar are someone else's schedule and then they have their schedule for me to get the material in, because it always involves some sort of teamwork. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: Before a workshop, you have to get the new artwork in according to the production team's schedule, not my schedule. Right and I have some really good rules with that. If it's 80%, good we're going to go with it, even though. I got a better idea at the last moment. I never load them up with last minute requests because from the audience's standpoint it's 100%. It's only our judgment that is 80%, right, exactly. \n\nDean: They don't know. It's 100% of what they got. That's exactly right. \n\nDan: Yeah, I don't know that there was something better that could have been done. They don't know that, so I'm pretty easy with them. Every once in a while there's a last-minute thing and because I never bother them very much, they're up to it. But if it was a steady diet that they had of the last minute, then you'd lose their ability to respond at the last moment. So I never take advantage of that, except there is some situations where you know it's a good idea to do it. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's exactly right. How much of your time is spent brainstorming and sketching and thinking, like, working out an idea for a thinking tool or the content for a book? Because I imagine that's kind of where it all begins. Right, you're coming to the table, yeah, with the idea this is the book I'm to write, and how much of it is you, uh, I'm really curious about, like because I've discovered you know, my power verbs as part of our discussion through the joy of procrastination. \n\nBut what would be? Do you have time like that where you're? Do you have a notebook that you use, or do you sketch, or do you know? \n\nDan: I'm pretty much um. I'm pretty much a fast filter person, so yes, uh I get the idea and then I go through and I say this is the best result, worst result, and here's the five success criteria. \n\nDean: And by the time I finish. \n\nDan: By the time I finish, the first fast filter I'm launched and then it's right into the introduction, the chapter one, chapter two, chapter three, you know. \n\nSo yeah but I was talking to a new member of genius network. A great family actually, a father and two sons all joined and it's called the pompa method and it's, you know, getting rid of all the metals in your body and everything. You're living with mold and everything else and so much of sickness comes from heavy metals in your bloodstream and it comes from very, very serious negative impacts of having mold in your house and I think you would be more in danger of that than we would here in toronto. \n\nI think florida's can be sort of damp, you know things. I would say that uncared for physical things in Florida deteriorate pretty fast, don't they? \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: And anyway, and he didn't really know me at all, like there was no prior knowledge, when we met and I started talking and he says you know, I'm doing everything well, but not writing books. And he says I have some sort of block to the book. And I said do you have a book in mind? And he says, yeah, I've got notes and notes. And I said you know, the easiest solution to writing your one big book is not do that. What you want to do is write 100 books. \n\nDean: Right. \n\nDan: Yes, right, yes, book. And he says, well, how do I think about that? And I says, well, do you have a good chapter already? If you were going, to write a good chapter in your you know. You know it's a good idea, it's one chapter, it's one idea. Could you write a book on one idea. And he said yeah, but I've got so much more to say. I said I know you got we all do. \n\nI said we all got a lot more to say, but we don't have to say everything right now. We can say one thing right now and I showed him one of my books and he said, oh my God, oh my God, but it's so short. And I said yeah, and you can read it in an hour. \n\nDean: I said it's big type too. \n\nDan: It's 14 point type and it's Helvetica, very easy to read. And it's got lots of subheads. You could get the meaning of the book if you just read the subheads. If you didn't read all the text. Just read the subheads and the titles. You could get the meaning of the book, or you could read the cartoons or you could listen to the audible or you could watch the videos, know everything else. \n\nAnd it was like he, it was like a religious conversion. And he says, oh my god, I've got so much things that could become small books. And I said, yeah, the ebook. Research indicates that if your book is less than 60 pages, you'll'll get 85% complete readership out of it. \n\nDean: Mine are 44. \n\nDan: I only have 44 pages in a book and so, going back to your question, I don't have to do much brainstorming because I've done the same format over now. We're just completing number 38. \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: I totally know One of the big problems of writing a book for the first time. Well, how long is it going to be? \n\nDean: and what are the? \n\nDan: chapters going to be. I know it's got an introduction, it's got eight chapters and it's got a conclusion, and then it's got a little section on the program in Strategic Coach. And then it's got a little section on the program in Strategic. \n\nDean: Coach. \n\nDan: So that's why I like repeating good formats, because you're not doing all this guessing. What's it going to look like? I know, I mean, I know what it's going to look like, I know how long it's going to be, I know what the pages are going to look like I know that. So that forces people to procrastinate and stop and everything else, and I've removed all that execution complexity right up front. And then I've got nine other people who are responsible for the finished product Right right yeah, and. I've got deadlines for them. \n\nDean: The deadlines. \n\nDan: You know they're already in the schedule. Basically it's a two-month project to get the book finished and all my deadline dates are in the schedule. They're just presented to me. These are the deadlines I said okay. I'm cool. So see, I'm being managed by other people's schedules and that takes a lot of the uncertainty on my part out of the way. \n\nDean: Yeah, you know, what's funny is I've been thinking about my, because I'm very reliable in synchronous and scheduled things Meeting deadlines and meeting deadlines. Yeah, I'm never, you're never late, you're never unprepared. \n\nThat's exactly right. That's why synchronous and scheduled for sure I would say you're never unprepared chat at somebody's event or as a guest on somebody's podcast, where I don't have to prepare what I'm going to talk about. I do it in the thing and that's why having the format that I've chosen for my More Cheese, less Whiskers podcast is the guest, is the focus, and I've been preparing for this conversation with them for 30 years and I bring all of that with it. I don't have to think about it ahead of time. So synchronous and scheduled, 100% gets done and it's right in my go zone. \n\nWhat I have been thinking about is if there were a way to think about signing myself to. Have you ever heard the term an FSO contract? It's in the entertainment business. People will contract with a entertainer's company for services of Dan Sullivan. So it'd be entering into a contract with strategic coach FSO Dan Sullivan and that would be a really interesting thing. If I had a way of thinking about myself, detached from myself, as a thing that I could tap into for services of Dean Jackson, it would be an interesting you know, I'm just applying it to myself. \n\nDan: I don't trust the guy to show up Right, exactly, that's the thing He'll be on the way and he'll see something interesting. And then, yeah, you know you have to track him down. It's too much work, you know but I'm like you I'm very reliable as it comes to you know, you know commitments to other people. I'm very reliable. So I said and it's not work for me to do that. So you know, I just never, ever want to disappoint you know, I just never ever. \n\nYeah, and but when I'm just dealing with myself, well it's, it's really loosey goosey, you know. \n\nDean: Right. \n\nDan: Yeah, He'll find some excuse, you know, you know he's very slippery. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, the neighbor's dog ate the homework. You know, you know, he's very slippery. Yeah, yeah, the neighbor's dog ate the homework you know, everything like that. Yeah, and I I put myself in the gap when I'm doing that, but what I've done is, over the years I've made things I'm really intensely interested in public offerings, in other words, I'm presenting it to an audience and I just things that I'm really intensely interested in. I've connected now with making money. \n\nDean: Right. \n\nDan: And you know, the making of money really makes things official. \n\nDean: Yes, yeah, so yeah, very, I mean it's taken a long time. \n\nDan: I mean, I'm not saying this, was you know, but more and more as I've gotten lazier. \n\nDean: Right. \n\nDan: Anything that I'm actually interested in doing better make money. Right right right, isn't that funny. \n\nDean: That's still the motivator, even though as time goes on 1600s, early 1700s. \n\nDan: He said the making of money is probably the most innocent thing that humans can engage themselves, involve themselves with. He said making money it's really clean, you know it's sort of a really clean activity and there's an exchange and you feel a real sense of accomplishment and achievement. You know, there's just something about something where it has to be good for both sides. It's got a much higher energy impact to it. \n\nDean: It's good for me, it's good for them, and it's not just double the pleasure, it's 10 times the pleasure yeah, and I mean, you know the nice thing about it is that to do it sustainably, there has to be a durable exchange of value. You know it has to be. Yeah, that's what's so? That's what I mean. That's what's so clean about it. Right Is everybody wins yeah. \n\nI love that. That's what I love about marketing, you know, is that it's just such a great. I feel really great about being a connector in businesses who can really add value to people and getting the message out to the people who can need that value as much as possible. \n\nDan: And you know the thing is, it's actually the creation of something new, that didn't exist and then, once the exchange has been happened, it exists something new has been created and you know, and it's a, it's kind of proof that you're real. \n\nYes, right, right it's a, it's kind of proof that you're real. Yes, right, right, you know, I mean you have people involved in various you know involvement of psychiatric treatment and you know they said, well, I don't know if the world is real, I don't know if I'm real, and I said well, if you're only asking your opinion, it's going to be hard to pin down. \n\nDean: Yeah, right on. \n\nDan: You have to get some proof from someone who's not you that you know that what you do is valuable. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, that's what the that's the true, that's the great thing about capitalism, you know is that it's? Voluntary. It's voluntary, right yeah? \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was watching. You know the Shark Tank guy. He's Canadian, kevin O'Leary. Yeah, yeah, I was seeing him and he was saying he was just telling the protesters on the campus that it's being noted in the job market who these people are and they don't realize the price that they're paying and they have masks. And he said, doesn't matter, we're picking up your eyeballs. He said that every single person who was involved in the january 6th you know the- yes they. \n\nWithin about two months, they knew who every individual was and where he was, because the technology is now so good. \n\nAnd he said. They're being used at the university campuses by the police and everybody else and every one of you who's upsetting campus life and is doing that, it's noted that you were doing this and if your resume tries to present you're a different person from who you are in the student protest, doors just will be closed to you. You will never get any direct message that you were in the protest, but you'll notice over the 10 years after you go to college and go out in the marketplace that you don't have much opportunity and it's a really good talk. \n\nBecause he says you think there's no cost to this. There's a big cost to this talk. Because he says you think there's no cost to this, there's a big cost to this. And he says you think you're inflicting the cost on someone else. I have to tell you, over 10 years the cost will be inflicted on you. And I just thought it was a neat little talk. \n\nDean: Yeah, he's a pretty smart guy, I mean just like as a philosopher, you know. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, yeah and anyway, but I found it interesting that you know this rears up every once in a while. It's a bit like a fever, you know that. But this is very well planned. All these students have been in training for the before they actually show up as a protest. They've been in training by, you know, by activists. You know trainers and the activists who train them are never there. They train them and then you know they're off camera and you know they're tracking down the money sources. These people are being paid, you know. I mean they're actually being paid to do this and everything like that you know and everything like that. \n\nBut it's an interesting thing how it's harder and harder to do things in secret these days. \n\nDean: I was just thinking that, like back in, you know the fifties and sixties, seventies, eighties, even. You know everything now is is on, everything is on camera. You have to assume that you're every move. \n\nDan: Yeah, they're probably you know, communicating with other people on social media. You know they're yeah they're not just doing this in quiet, for right five, six, five, six days in a row, I mean they what got them out, you know, into the movement was probably social media. \n\nHey, we're going to do this and nothing else. And you should come to a meeting and we're going to do this. And you know, I think late teens and early 20s people don't think too much about that, you know, they don't really think that it shows up. But we're, you know, in our company, we really do extensive social media searches when we have a job, you know, a job applicant. \n\nDean: Oh, you do, oh yeah, deep dive. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, deep dive. We had one woman and she came in and you know where our cafe is in the. Toronto office. And she came in and she was sitting out in the, you know, in the reception area and something about her just caught my attention. And then she came in and she was just perfectly done up, you know, I mean her clothes were great. \n\nDean: And. \n\nDan: I watched her as she went through the cafe back to Babs' office and I said she's just too perfect. I said there's something wrong here. \n\nAnd afterwards she left and they were saying, boy, what a resume. She has a resume and everything else. I said there's something too perfect about her. I said I get the sense that something's off about her. So they went searching and they found out that she had a whole separate life as a burlesque dancer. Oh really, wow, that didn't show up. That didn't show up. And she even had a you know like a brand name for who she was in her other work. \n\nShe had a completely you know and she was in clubs and they're sort of not public clubs and everything like that and not that there's anything wrong with being a burlesque dancer If that's your, you know. I mean, I mean it's not really my, you know my favorite form of entertainment. But you know, but the fact is that she hid the other part of her life, and that's the sense that I got. There's something too perfect about her. There's another side of her that's not being seen, so it will be discovered. \n\nIf you have another life besides the one that you're presenting, it will be, discovered. Yeah, there's no hiding now, right yeah, and the simple way is just be who you are. \n\nDean: Ah, that's exactly right, that digital split. Yeah, and the simple way is just be who you are. Ah, that's exactly right, that digital split. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know, and the people that we really have long-term relationships with invariably are people who just do they. There's not another them. Right, yes exactly Right, right, right yeah. So anyway, did you learn anything about the way I approach things? \n\nDean: I did. I mean, I think that's you know your organizing context. Like you know, I've been thinking about it in this terms of imagine, if you applied yourself, you know, and this is the applied portion of things and it sounds like your, the fast filter is the gateway into the applied world, right it's? \n\nyeah that's that starts. That makes it real because you're making it up and then you're making it real with a fast filter, yeah. And then that, when presented to your project manager or one of your project managers, you know you use the term, you know I mean executive function. \n\nDan: You know you're lacking in executive function. I don't think that's true. I think, from a creative standpoint, you retain a lot of total executive function. I think what I've completely delegated to other people is management function. \n\nDean: Yeah right. \n\nDan: It's not executive function, it's executive execution function. I've got the starting execution, but then there's got to be a handoff. Starting execution. But then there's got to be a handoff and after the making it up stage then I have to hand it off to other people. \n\nDean: I used to try to do the management function and I'm just no good at it. Yeah, and you know you're. The thing about the quarterly book is a. You know that's a viable construct. You know that's a durable context, that you're 38 quarters into a hundred quarter adventure, you know yeah, yeah, and that you know. So there's that sort of rhythm, contextual rhythm, that sticks with it. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, that sticks with it. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: It's kind of a future time commitment. You know, like I'm not, I'm 40% through a 25-year project, so that means I've got, you know, I've got 2039, that I hit At the end of 2039, I hit quarter number 100, you know yeah right, and you know, and that gives me an incentive to make sure you're there. Yeah, right, exactly. Oh, that's so funny. Whatever it's going to take, make sure you're there, because you know it won't do if it's just 95. \n\nDean: Right, yeah, no, that's exactly right. I love it. Well, I found this very it sounded very interesting. I appreciate it and I'm very excited about table 10 reunion. Yes, so I'll set that up on the 15th or whatever. \n\nDan: Yeah, you know what I'll do is. I'll say to the Maitre D just for today, can this be table 10? \n\nDean: Yes exactly. \n\nDan: It's only table 10 when Dean and Dan are there, that's exactly right. \n\nDean: I know exactly where the table is, no matter what we call it, it's still there. I mean it's still there, I'm going to put it in Dan at 1130 on the 15th Perfect Table 10. Table 10. Dan at 11.30 on the 15th Perfect Table 10. Table 10. I like that. \n\nDan: All right. \n\nDean: Okay, thank you, so much Are we on next week Yep. We'll be back from Nashville Perfect. \n\nDan: Yeah, we get back on Saturday, so this is great. \n\nDean: Perfect. \n\nDan: Well. \n\nDean: I'm sorry I'm going to miss the big birthday bash, but I'm sure it'll be wonderful and we'll have exciting things to talk about next week. Yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, good. \n\nDean: Thanks Dan. \n\nDan: Okay, bye. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, I reminisce about our wonderful experience at the recent Cloudlandia conference at Canyon Ranch in Tucson facilitated by the legendary Joe Polish.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe discuss the importance of maintaining an active lifestyle through routines like DEXA scans. Our conversation explores cultivating daily habits that balance productivity and creativity without overcommitting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWrapping up, we tackle the nuances of time management as entrepreneurs and commitment levels\u0026#39; impact on execution. Discover how dependability and prudent social media actions shape future opportunities, drawing from Kevin O\u0026#39;Leary\u0026#39;s wisdom.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul style=\"list-style-type: circle;\"\u003e\n\u003c/center\u003e\n\n\u003cul\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eDan  and I delve into the significance of the series' theme song and its role in their listening routine, based on Chris's reflections.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe discuss Chris's trip to Tucson and their perspective on the moderated conference experience led by Joe Polish at Canyon Ranch.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe highlight the importance of maintaining consistency and improvement over time, drawing upon the eight profit activators as an example.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eDan analyzes a typical day at Canyon Ranch through Chris's recount, emphasizing the value of health checks like the DEXA scan for body composition.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe explore the paradox of having ample free time yet facing a lack of productivity due to multiple options.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eDan and I discuss the various levels of commitment and how they influence the ability to complete tasks, especially in the entrepreneurial environment.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eThe chapter on trust, money, and social media is explored, examining the challenges of relying on unpredictable and the personal ethos of dependability.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe assess the intertwined nature of trust, money, and social media, referencing Kevin O'Leary's perspective on the potential long-term impacts of public actions.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003e reflect on Chris's strategy for managing time and commitments, including his rule against traveling for marketing purposes.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eThe episode concludes with us having a candid conversation about procrastination, commitment, and the challenge of executing tasks without external scaffolding.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Welcome to Cloudlandia. You know, the theme song to this series might be the song that I\u0026#39;ve listened to more in my life than any other song. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, that\u0026#39;s funny I like it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I was going through the archives and I said you know, I don\u0026#39;t think I\u0026#39;ve listened to any song as much as I have this song. That\u0026#39;s so funny. Yeah, I love it Good music though. It\u0026#39;s good music. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And good message. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And it, I love it, it\u0026#39;s good music, though. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s good music, yes, and good message. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And it\u0026#39;s good message. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s always a reminder. So welcome back. You\u0026#39;ve been on the road, arizona. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, how was that? Oh, it was great. We were in Tucson for about five days at Canyon Ranch, and the weather was absolutely superb. In Fahrenheit terms it was roughly about 75. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, perfect right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Clear, cool nights, blue skies, no rain and the genius was great. Joe is really in the sweet spot. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eJoe Polish is really in the sweet spot because he\u0026#39;s controlling it now with his interviews and I think that\u0026#39;s terrific, because he had six different guests and if they\u0026#39;re just giving a presentation, it can be from bad to really great. But what Joe provides, he just does a framework and of course he directs them with questions and he knows the audience, he knows the speakers, so he\u0026#39;s doing a great job of moderating and I think that\u0026#39;s a terrific move. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I like the new setup too that he\u0026#39;s got there, the stage with the kind of environment that\u0026#39;s good, nice, the kind of environment that\u0026#39;s good, Nice. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, let\u0026#39;s Proves that, if you just stick with some things long enough, you know it turns really superb after a while if you keep making improvements. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow, I can\u0026#39;t say enough about that being true. I was really. I\u0026#39;ve been thinking that about the. I\u0026#39;ve been going back looking at the eight profit activators as the example of how long you know I would say I\u0026#39;ve been working on this for 30 years, unconsciously, and the last 20 of it consciously and the distinctions, the reliable, that I\u0026#39;ve generated from all the ways that we\u0026#39;ve applied, all the number of data sets and iterations and different applications that are still like, it\u0026#39;s just kind of great. It\u0026#39;s a shortcut to really identifying what needs to be done, and every new iteration of a durable playbook is adding new distinctions. So much certainty in the things. I just can\u0026#39;t wait to see, you know, the next 20 years of that real like dedicated application, because it\u0026#39;s not going anywhere, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think you know I\u0026#39;m sort of a stick with things for a long time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I mean, if people are telling you they\u0026#39;re getting value out of it, their checks indicate yes, yes, things going in a workshop and I\u0026#39;m, you know, I\u0026#39;m always seeing new things and and everything like that. But you know, we were. I was just reflecting that this is 35 years for the program, the workshop program, and it\u0026#39;s pretty much not too different in 2024 than it was in 1989. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean 2024 than it was in 1989. I mean it\u0026#39;s basically you\u0026#39;re doing thinking processes, you\u0026#39;re chatting with each other individually, you\u0026#39;re having general discussions, there\u0026#39;s visuals to represent what\u0026#39;s going to happen and all the money\u0026#39;s up front. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean, listen, I call those things durable contexts and what you\u0026#39;ve got there, like the strategic coach program and the workshops, it\u0026#39;s not unsimilar to what 60 Minutes has going for it, the. It\u0026#39;s been the same context in sunday night 7 pm tick, tick, tick three long form stories on the most fascinating things in the zeitgeist right now. That\u0026#39;s never going to get old. That\u0026#39;s really. You know, it\u0026#39;s like the same thing. You look at quarterly meetings gathered with your peers thinking about your thinking in a group of people who are thinking the same way. So I think that\u0026#39;s the cheat code is understanding what those durable contexts are and allowing the content to fit within that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, there was a great old parody, I don\u0026#39;t know 20 years ago, and it\u0026#39;s the new marketing manager for Coors Beer and he\u0026#39;s saying yeah, and he\u0026#39;s in a meeting with Mr Coors the current Mr. Coors and he says yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHe said yeah, we\u0026#39;ve done a lot of research and you know we feel that the color that we\u0026#39;ve been using for the labels of Coors beer are not up to speed with what people really like and therefore we\u0026#39;re suggesting that we switch the color of the labels. And Mr Coors says I like the color we\u0026#39;ve got. He says yes sir, yes sir, Mr Coors. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, sir, we\u0026#39;re going to go with the color. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And he says we feel that you know the typeface that we\u0026#39;re using, the Coors typeface, is from the. It\u0026#39;s really from the 19th century. And he said so we\u0026#39;re suggesting this new typeface. And Mr Gores says I like the typeface the way it is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e He says yes, mr Gores. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And then he says we\u0026#39;re thinking that the bottle is very in old shape, you know, and it\u0026#39;s not really up to date with modern design and therefore we\u0026#39;re recommending this new shape of the bottle and we want to change the color of the bottle too. And he says to Mr Kors says I like the old bottle and I like the color we\u0026#39;ve got. Yes, mr Kors, okay, we\u0026#39;re all set to go on our new campaign right, that sounds like your conversation when they wanted to change the fonts right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I like Helvetica. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe\u0026#39;re going to stick with. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Helvetica Awesome, I love it. Well, Dan, what was your? What\u0026#39;s a day in the life in Canyon Ranch? You\u0026#39;ve been going there now for as long as I\u0026#39;ve known you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, 1990 was our first trip, so this is our 55th visit and many years. We\u0026#39;ve gone twice, twice. Well, it\u0026#39;s a nice place, it\u0026#39;s very congenial, it\u0026#39;s very comfortable and it\u0026#39;s well kept up. And, you know, the food is good. They have terrific massage therapists. I mean, they have dozens and dozens of massage therapists, some of them, one of them we have we\u0026#39;ve been seeing her for 25 years, you know, and there\u0026#39;s just a nice quality. It\u0026#39;s very predictable, there\u0026#39;s no tension, it\u0026#39;s very laid back, and so I get up in the morning and, you know, once we\u0026#39;re set to go, I\u0026#39;ll go out for a walk, and they have a two mile loop around the property oh wow and one of them is quite a challenging hill, okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo what I could do is I go out and I start working the hill from top to bottom and I do that. I do that for about a half hour. You know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Up and down, you know gets the heart rate up yeah and now with my repaired knee I was gonna ask do you feel? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e the difference. Yeah, yeah, it\u0026#39;s. Uh, there\u0026#39;s a bit tenderness about especially coming down it\u0026#39;s going up is fine, it\u0026#39;s coming down. That puts more stress on your knee right and then then we go for breakfast and there\u0026#39;s two choices they have sort of a very informal cafe and then they have a restaurant with full menu. And then I do a lot of reading. I read the Wall Street Journal on six days of the week and Babs and I just agree when we\u0026#39;re going to rendezvous for lunch. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e She does a lot more. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e She does a lot more consultations. She does more investigating new things, which eventually I introduced to some of them. But she\u0026#39;s much more active. She gets more tests than I do and I do one test probably every year for 20 years since the body composition. Oh, yeah, like a DEXA scan, right, right, dexa scan, yeah, and it\u0026#39;s the gold standard as far as I can tell. You know, and then you compare and I got 20 years of records and you know, need some more care. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThings are okay here and you know you go there and then the afternoon I\u0026#39;ll have at least one massage a day and I do that. But I do a lot of reading. I\u0026#39;ve got my detective stories, my thrillers, my international geopolitical thrillers, and you know I\u0026#39;ll wander around around and I get my steps in, I get my three rings on my apple watch bin and we meet for dinner. We usually do it pretty early and we you know and come home and I\u0026#39;ll check the news, internet news and read some articles and then I\u0026#39;m off to bed and multiply that by five days. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Do it again. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and you feel revived. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But I, you know, I mean at after 35, 50 years of coaching and 35 years of the company and the program. I don\u0026#39;t really get that stressed out for my work. Right, I mean you know I\u0026#39;m in my unique ability. I have certain things to do every day. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e There\u0026#39;s deadlines. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e There\u0026#39;s always lots of projects going, and so it\u0026#39;s not like to go on to free days, which Canyon Ranch always. Isn\u0026#39;t that much of a change for me from? The way I operate on my workday. I\u0026#39;m never doing more than three projects for the day. I have lots of time between projects. I only hold myself accountable for getting three things done a day. My scheduler, Becca, always makes sure I have at least a half hour between anything that involves a meeting with someone else. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd yeah, so that\u0026#39;s pretty well that I mean. But I get a lot done. I mean I\u0026#39;m more productive at 80 than I was at 60. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So yeah, that\u0026#39;s my thing. How much of your time during the week like when you\u0026#39;re on a typical home week, work week is scheduled like synchronous and scheduled with other people, versus you saying these are the three things I\u0026#39;m going to work on, or are they always involving other people? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I have days when it\u0026#39;s just me getting my part of a project done that has to be then sent off to somebody else. But I have days when there\u0026#39;s no meetings. The vast majority of them are Zoom meetings, not in-person meetings. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And I have a regular schedule the workshops are in the schedule. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The two-hour catch-up calls that we\u0026#39;ve introduced for Zoom they\u0026#39;re in the schedule. I have podcasts they\u0026#39;re scheduled. The only thing that\u0026#39;s left up to me is creating new tools. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, and the other thing is new chapters of the current book and that goes off, and then we have recording sessions and so on. But I would say that if I look ahead at a year, 85% of that year is going to be totally known on the first day of the year. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Really, yeah, yeah, like with scheduled slots for when it\u0026#39;s happening, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Very interesting. Yeah, and I\u0026#39;ve introduced a new rule in 79, that I will never travel for marketing purposes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and I will never give a speech. I\u0026#39;ll do an interview, but I won\u0026#39;t do a speech. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right or. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ll put an audience through a thinking tool, but I won\u0026#39;t give a speech, so my days of speechifying are in the past, right, right, right. And I won\u0026#39;t give any speech for publicity purposes, I only give a speech for marketing purpose. I mean, I\u0026#39;ll only do a public, you know, presentation and a movie tool only for marketing purpose. I\u0026#39;ll only speak to audiences that are qualified clients, qualified prospects. Yeah, yeah, and that\u0026#39;s basically an easygoing tourist\u0026#39;s life. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, exactly, I forgot, that\u0026#39;s another thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You have a birthday in about three days, right? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s right. May 10th that\u0026#39;s exactly right may 10th. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s yes, right yeah, so that\u0026#39;s what is that friday? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e that is friday, yeah, yeah. So that\u0026#39;s that one little thing, that one week of time where I\u0026#39;m only 21 years younger than you. I catch up on you for a little bit and then you take over again. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I have to give you a teaser before I frustrate you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, let\u0026#39;s hear it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, no, it\u0026#39;s 20. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You get to be 21 years younger. I got you Right, right, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Then it gets taken away from you. Yes, exactly, just when. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think I\u0026#39;m catching up. Yeah, yeah, a little boost. That\u0026#39;s so funny. Yeah, I\u0026#39;ve forgotten that we\u0026#39;re both Taurus. That\u0026#39;s something we are very similar. I think that\u0026#39;s why we have such an easy friendship. I think because we\u0026#39;re essentially a lot alike, I mean our whole being. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think we\u0026#39;re essentially lazy luxury-loving innovators. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Lazy luxury-loving innovators, I like it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s pretty true. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s the truth. You\u0026#39;re absolutely right. Yes, yes, yes, in the best sense of all of those words. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I think both of us exhibit sort of a lifestyle that\u0026#39;s different from what we learned when we were growing up. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s true, yeah, I don\u0026#39;t know what instilled it in us, but it was self-discovered. Really, Nobody taught us this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And we both like shortcuts. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We both have a passion. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s very interesting I haven\u0026#39;t actually driven a car in the city of Toronto in easily 25 years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that\u0026#39;s amazing yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And you know I have a limousine company that handles all my scheduled stuff. And then Babs. You know we\u0026#39;re very much in sync in terms of what we like to do for entertainment and for socializing we\u0026#39;re very much in sync, and what it\u0026#39;s allowed me to do is to really notice shortcuts in the city because I\u0026#39;ll see. You know, I\u0026#39;m a real map addict. I like maps. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I\u0026#39;ll see something I said. I wonder, if you go through this alleyway here and you come out here, whether it\u0026#39;s a shortcut when there\u0026#39;s busy times and I got about 20, 25 of them in the city that Google doesn\u0026#39;t know about. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh boy, okay, yeah, you\u0026#39;ve got the knowledge. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I got. I\u0026#39;ve got the knowledge. Google stays within the framework of what are considered official streets. You know they it doesn\u0026#39;t, and probably they have to do that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean, that\u0026#39;s not, it\u0026#39;s not their job to be doing it and and so one of the limousine drivers said, you know, he went to the president of the company, the owner, and he says, you know, we should have mr sullivan up here, he knows more shortcuts than anyone I\u0026#39;ve ever seen and and the owner of the company. Why would we want the trip to be any shorter? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Unbelievable, huh. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Isn\u0026#39;t that? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e funny, that\u0026#39;s the best. Why would we want it to be any shorter? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, and I can see his point of view, I guess. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e but wow, I can\u0026#39;t tell you, dan, how much I\u0026#39;m looking forward to being in Toronto. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Really am. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Now you\u0026#39;re coming in. When are you coming in? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e On a. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Monday. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e The workshop\u0026#39;s on a Monday the workshop is on Monday, right the 20th, so I think I\u0026#39;m going to come in probably the week before. I\u0026#39;ll probably come in. I may come in at the very latest the 17th, and so I would be available for a table 10 or whatever table they assign us on the 18th, if that works in your schedule, and then I\u0026#39;m going to do a breakthrough blueprint on the 27th, 28th, 29th. So I\u0026#39;m going to stay for at least two weeks. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Are you staying at the Hazleton I? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e believe so. Yes, there are the four seasons. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e one of the two yeah, because our wonderful French restaurant in Yorkville is gone. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I know exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Jacques Bistro. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, they basically packed it in at the end of the previous year, so the COVID year started in March 2020. So right at the end of 2019, they packed it in and their son you know, their son and daughter were. I was leaving this was right at the end of the 2019, I was there and I was going down the steps and he said Mr Sullivan, do you mind if I have your picture taken and we\u0026#39;re putting together sort of, you know, a panorama of all the longtime guests? And I said sure, and then they they always closed down for the month of January, july too, yeah, yeah, in January, and they never came back. After January it was closed, and so I don\u0026#39;t think they were sensing anything, but I think they had just more or less packed it in without telling anybody Because it\u0026#39;s all gone. Now it\u0026#39;s some other business. It was a very small restaurant, I know because it\u0026#39;s all gone now and it\u0026#39;s some other business. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know it\u0026#39;s. It was a very small restaurant. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know I mean they may do, for they may do for almost 40 years with about at most they might\u0026#39;ve had 40 seats in the restaurant. That wasn\u0026#39;t a very big restaurant Right. But let\u0026#39;s Select is good, let\u0026#39;s Select they sold. The two partners sold. They had been with it for 40 years and they sold and it\u0026#39;s. You know the menu is smaller. There\u0026#39;s some things not on the menu that I liked, but you know it\u0026#39;s great. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Have you been to? There\u0026#39;s the new French restaurant in Yorkville, off of you know where, if you go Bel Air basically that where Bel Air meets Yorkville if you continue across Yorkville in that little alleyway, there\u0026#39;s a new French restaurant. I think. Yeah, they didn\u0026#39;t last. No, they didn\u0026#39;t Okay. No, cause they came in just before. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e COVID right, yeah, they didn\u0026#39;t last. Oh, they didn\u0026#39;t Okay. No, because they came in just before COVID right? No, they didn\u0026#39;t last at all. Okay, yeah, and I\u0026#39;m just trying to think. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Sophia Is there another? Sophia is another one. I think it\u0026#39;s new, but I haven\u0026#39;t experienced it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you know, there were a lot of casualties from the, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Actually, Yorkville has gotten a lot less interesting because restaurants have gone out and retail stores have come in oh interesting. It doesn\u0026#39;t have the same entertainment value that it did. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Interesting, I may have to rethink Where\u0026#39;s the new? Where would be a suitable place for a guy? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e like me, the Hazleton is really good. I mean, they\u0026#39;re one restaurant there is really good, but you know I would go for Le Select, just for old time\u0026#39;s sake. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Of course, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And we\u0026#39;ll put it in the menu. I have a whole bunch of medical things. Usually on Saturday I go to my biofeedback program. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I go to osteo-stron and I get my hair cut. Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But I can leave off the two medical things that day and just get my haircut. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, fair enough. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And we\u0026#39;ll, yeah, put it in for 1130. Would that be good? That\u0026#39;s fantastic. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I love it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, it\u0026#39;s not table 10 anymore, but we can get the same table, yeah, and that\u0026#39;s where we. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s where we, that\u0026#39;s where we launched the podcast series the joy of procrastination was launched right there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, what are you thinking about procrastination now, after all these? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e years. I think it\u0026#39;s amazing. I mean, I think this whole idea of the you know as a superpower, I think it\u0026#39;s absolutely true. What I still I\u0026#39;ll tell you what I\u0026#39;m personally working on right now is my ability to do what I say I\u0026#39;m going to do. At the time, I say I\u0026#39;m going to do it without any external scaffolding, and I\u0026#39;m realizing that. You know, I\u0026#39;m just now eight weeks into the health program that I\u0026#39;m doing with Jay and Team Dean all together there, and what I\u0026#39;ve found is that\u0026#39;s working really well because it\u0026#39;s created the external scaffolding and support and exoskeleton that allows me to stay on track, or create that bobsled run, as Ned Halliwell would say. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd so now my attention in May here now is turning to myself. I have, Dan, an abundance of time. I have, all of you know, a consulting client that I talk to on Tuesdays at one. I have a my real estate accelerator group on Wednesdays at three, and then on alternate Thursdays, I have my co-agent call and my email mastery call, and so, all told, it\u0026#39;s four to six hours a week of synchronous and scheduled requirement. Right, Then I basically have 100% of all of my time available, and I do. I\u0026#39;ve always sort of you know having free time leads to having the ability to be creative and do things, but what I find is I often end up in a paralysis of opportunity. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eyou know of that I could do this I could do this, I could do this, I could all of those intentions. You know that I could do this, I could do this, I could do this, I could all of those intentions you know. But I very rarely get anything done. Fits and spurts right, and so that\u0026#39;s what I\u0026#39;m really kind of. I\u0026#39;m really trying to figure out the formula for me on that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s why I was curious about you know, you know, I would say this that I, if I didn\u0026#39;t have obligations, or commitments. Let\u0026#39;s say commitments, yeah, like I have, I have commitments. I wouldn\u0026#39;t be very productive just on my own Right. I mean, I won\u0026#39;t do something just because I want to do something. To see it, it has to involve my team and it has to involve my clients, otherwise I won\u0026#39;t do it Right. And so I always have deadlines related to those two parties, and I really like deadlines. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI really like deadlines because, you know, and usually I get it done just before it\u0026#39;s needed. And the reason I like that is if I just have enough time to actually and I don\u0026#39;t have any more time, I just have enough time to get something done, then I\u0026#39;m totally focused. If I\u0026#39;ve got more than enough time to get something done, then I\u0026#39;m totally focused. If I\u0026#39;ve got more than enough time to get something done, then I can be distracted by something else Me too. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I realized I started thinking about a progression of the way things are going to get done. Most certainly is synchronous and scheduled is 100% certainty that it\u0026#39;s going to get done. Then kernis and unscheduled is also getting done, like that\u0026#39;s what other my consulting clients or the people that I work with we don\u0026#39;t have necessarily every tuesday at one o\u0026#39;clock or whatever it may hey, are you available to talk? You know, on this day and we put it in the calendar and but it\u0026#39;s not like recurring, that, it\u0026#39;s not locked in obligation. I usually keep my calendar. You know I schedule those things about two weeks out. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then the next level up then. So that\u0026#39;s synchronous and sort of unscheduled, but we\u0026#39;ll do it. Then the next thing is asynchronous with a deadline, is likely to get done, but the thing where I want to be is asynchronous at my discretion and that\u0026#39;s the most joyful thing, but nothing ever gets done. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s the reality, right? Yeah, it\u0026#39;s really funny. I was having a conversation about it was with someone at Genius Network. You don\u0026#39;t know them and they were talking about how they\u0026#39;re really into Zen. Know them, and they were talking about how they\u0026#39;re really into zen okay, and and you know the oriental, you know that you detach from, you know physical reality, more or less yes, and, and I said, you know I\u0026#39;ve read things about them. You know I\u0026#39;ve read things, but reading things about zen isn\u0026#39;t them right you know, it\u0026#39;s not them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, and and said the one thing I\u0026#39;ve noticed about people who are really deeply into Zen they\u0026#39;re not real go-getters. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Interesting yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, because for them, the things of the world, they\u0026#39;re not really real. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know they\u0026#39;re sort of delusional. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And anyway, and I said, I have a really enjoyable engagement with the world. Yes, and it\u0026#39;s entrepreneurial, so that makes it more enjoyable. I have nothing in my life that involves dealing with people who are in bureaucratic, private sector, bureaucratic or public sector. I have no nothing to do with anyone like that, and so everyone I mean my entire environment. I\u0026#39;m hearing an enormous amount of sound. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Sorry about that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e What I notice is that I live in almost like a complete entrepreneurial universe. I mean both business-wise and also socially you know, so I don\u0026#39;t really know much about what\u0026#39;s happening outside of the entrepreneurial world. I mean, I read it. I mean I read it on the internet, but it doesn\u0026#39;t really impact on me. You know, I mean taxes do, inflation does and everything like that, but not in a serious way. And the exchange rate between the US dollar and the Canadian dollar is very comfortable right now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s about $1.37. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, yeah, I always enjoy that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s a nice offset. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, people say, why do you live in Toronto with the taxes so high? And I says, well, it all depends on where your money is coming from. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right right, right right, and you know the patents are. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We\u0026#39;re up to 19 now. We have 19 patents so far. And that has its own asset value. And yeah, so it\u0026#39;s really nice right now At 80, it\u0026#39;s really at age 80. So it\u0026#39;s really nice right now at 80, it\u0026#39;s really at age 80. It\u0026#39;s really nice. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, is that so? I am curious, though, if so, the deadlines. If we think about that progression right Of synchronous and scheduled, synchronous unscheduled with a deadline and asynchronous at your discretion, where\u0026#39;s your power zone? Are you able to spend time productively in asynchronous at your discretion, or does what drives your thing be the deadline? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I let other people schedule my life. I let other people schedule my life. Okay, yeah so all the dates in the calendar are someone else\u0026#39;s schedule and then they have their schedule for me to get the material in, because it always involves some sort of teamwork. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Before a workshop, you have to get the new artwork in according to the production team\u0026#39;s schedule, not my schedule. Right and I have some really good rules with that. If it\u0026#39;s 80%, good we\u0026#39;re going to go with it, even though. I got a better idea at the last moment. I never load them up with last minute requests because from the audience\u0026#39;s standpoint it\u0026#39;s 100%. It\u0026#39;s only our judgment that is 80%, right, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e They don\u0026#39;t know. It\u0026#39;s 100% of what they got. That\u0026#39;s exactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I don\u0026#39;t know that there was something better that could have been done. They don\u0026#39;t know that, so I\u0026#39;m pretty easy with them. Every once in a while there\u0026#39;s a last-minute thing and because I never bother them very much, they\u0026#39;re up to it. But if it was a steady diet that they had of the last minute, then you\u0026#39;d lose their ability to respond at the last moment. So I never take advantage of that, except there is some situations where you know it\u0026#39;s a good idea to do it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s exactly right. How much of your time is spent brainstorming and sketching and thinking, like, working out an idea for a thinking tool or the content for a book? Because I imagine that\u0026#39;s kind of where it all begins. Right, you\u0026#39;re coming to the table, yeah, with the idea this is the book I\u0026#39;m to write, and how much of it is you, uh, I\u0026#39;m really curious about, like because I\u0026#39;ve discovered you know, my power verbs as part of our discussion through the joy of procrastination. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut what would be? Do you have time like that where you\u0026#39;re? Do you have a notebook that you use, or do you sketch, or do you know? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m pretty much um. I\u0026#39;m pretty much a fast filter person, so yes, uh I get the idea and then I go through and I say this is the best result, worst result, and here\u0026#39;s the five success criteria. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And by the time I finish. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e By the time I finish, the first fast filter I\u0026#39;m launched and then it\u0026#39;s right into the introduction, the chapter one, chapter two, chapter three, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo yeah but I was talking to a new member of genius network. A great family actually, a father and two sons all joined and it\u0026#39;s called the pompa method and it\u0026#39;s, you know, getting rid of all the metals in your body and everything. You\u0026#39;re living with mold and everything else and so much of sickness comes from heavy metals in your bloodstream and it comes from very, very serious negative impacts of having mold in your house and I think you would be more in danger of that than we would here in toronto. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI think florida\u0026#39;s can be sort of damp, you know things. I would say that uncared for physical things in Florida deteriorate pretty fast, don\u0026#39;t they? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And anyway, and he didn\u0026#39;t really know me at all, like there was no prior knowledge, when we met and I started talking and he says you know, I\u0026#39;m doing everything well, but not writing books. And he says I have some sort of block to the book. And I said do you have a book in mind? And he says, yeah, I\u0026#39;ve got notes and notes. And I said you know, the easiest solution to writing your one big book is not do that. What you want to do is write 100 books. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, right, yes, book. And he says, well, how do I think about that? And I says, well, do you have a good chapter already? If you were going, to write a good chapter in your you know. You know it\u0026#39;s a good idea, it\u0026#39;s one chapter, it\u0026#39;s one idea. Could you write a book on one idea. And he said yeah, but I\u0026#39;ve got so much more to say. I said I know you got we all do. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI said we all got a lot more to say, but we don\u0026#39;t have to say everything right now. We can say one thing right now and I showed him one of my books and he said, oh my God, oh my God, but it\u0026#39;s so short. And I said yeah, and you can read it in an hour. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I said it\u0026#39;s big type too. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s 14 point type and it\u0026#39;s Helvetica, very easy to read. And it\u0026#39;s got lots of subheads. You could get the meaning of the book if you just read the subheads. If you didn\u0026#39;t read all the text. Just read the subheads and the titles. You could get the meaning of the book, or you could read the cartoons or you could listen to the audible or you could watch the videos, know everything else. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd it was like he, it was like a religious conversion. And he says, oh my god, I\u0026#39;ve got so much things that could become small books. And I said, yeah, the ebook. Research indicates that if your book is less than 60 pages, you\u0026#39;ll\u0026#39;ll get 85% complete readership out of it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Mine are 44. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I only have 44 pages in a book and so, going back to your question, I don\u0026#39;t have to do much brainstorming because I\u0026#39;ve done the same format over now. We\u0026#39;re just completing number 38. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I totally know One of the big problems of writing a book for the first time. Well, how long is it going to be? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e and what are the? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e chapters going to be. I know it\u0026#39;s got an introduction, it\u0026#39;s got eight chapters and it\u0026#39;s got a conclusion, and then it\u0026#39;s got a little section on the program in Strategic Coach. And then it\u0026#39;s got a little section on the program in Strategic. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Coach. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So that\u0026#39;s why I like repeating good formats, because you\u0026#39;re not doing all this guessing. What\u0026#39;s it going to look like? I know, I mean, I know what it\u0026#39;s going to look like, I know how long it\u0026#39;s going to be, I know what the pages are going to look like I know that. So that forces people to procrastinate and stop and everything else, and I\u0026#39;ve removed all that execution complexity right up front. And then I\u0026#39;ve got nine other people who are responsible for the finished product Right right yeah, and. I\u0026#39;ve got deadlines for them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e The deadlines. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know they\u0026#39;re already in the schedule. Basically it\u0026#39;s a two-month project to get the book finished and all my deadline dates are in the schedule. They\u0026#39;re just presented to me. These are the deadlines I said okay. I\u0026#39;m cool. So see, I\u0026#39;m being managed by other people\u0026#39;s schedules and that takes a lot of the uncertainty on my part out of the way. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you know, what\u0026#39;s funny is I\u0026#39;ve been thinking about my, because I\u0026#39;m very reliable in synchronous and scheduled things Meeting deadlines and meeting deadlines. Yeah, I\u0026#39;m never, you\u0026#39;re never late, you\u0026#39;re never unprepared. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat\u0026#39;s exactly right. That\u0026#39;s why synchronous and scheduled for sure I would say you\u0026#39;re never unprepared chat at somebody\u0026#39;s event or as a guest on somebody\u0026#39;s podcast, where I don\u0026#39;t have to prepare what I\u0026#39;m going to talk about. I do it in the thing and that\u0026#39;s why having the format that I\u0026#39;ve chosen for my More Cheese, less Whiskers podcast is the guest, is the focus, and I\u0026#39;ve been preparing for this conversation with them for 30 years and I bring all of that with it. I don\u0026#39;t have to think about it ahead of time. So synchronous and scheduled, 100% gets done and it\u0026#39;s right in my go zone. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWhat I have been thinking about is if there were a way to think about signing myself to. Have you ever heard the term an FSO contract? It\u0026#39;s in the entertainment business. People will contract with a entertainer\u0026#39;s company for services of Dan Sullivan. So it\u0026#39;d be entering into a contract with strategic coach FSO Dan Sullivan and that would be a really interesting thing. If I had a way of thinking about myself, detached from myself, as a thing that I could tap into for services of Dean Jackson, it would be an interesting you know, I\u0026#39;m just applying it to myself. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t trust the guy to show up Right, exactly, that\u0026#39;s the thing He\u0026#39;ll be on the way and he\u0026#39;ll see something interesting. And then, yeah, you know you have to track him down. It\u0026#39;s too much work, you know but I\u0026#39;m like you I\u0026#39;m very reliable as it comes to you know, you know commitments to other people. I\u0026#39;m very reliable. So I said and it\u0026#39;s not work for me to do that. So you know, I just never, ever want to disappoint you know, I just never ever. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, and but when I\u0026#39;m just dealing with myself, well it\u0026#39;s, it\u0026#39;s really loosey goosey, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, He\u0026#39;ll find some excuse, you know, you know he\u0026#39;s very slippery. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, the neighbor\u0026#39;s dog ate the homework. You know, you know, he\u0026#39;s very slippery. Yeah, yeah, the neighbor\u0026#39;s dog ate the homework you know, everything like that. Yeah, and I I put myself in the gap when I\u0026#39;m doing that, but what I\u0026#39;ve done is, over the years I\u0026#39;ve made things I\u0026#39;m really intensely interested in public offerings, in other words, I\u0026#39;m presenting it to an audience and I just things that I\u0026#39;m really intensely interested in. I\u0026#39;ve connected now with making money. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And you know, the making of money really makes things official. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yeah, so yeah, very, I mean it\u0026#39;s taken a long time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, I\u0026#39;m not saying this, was you know, but more and more as I\u0026#39;ve gotten lazier. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Anything that I\u0026#39;m actually interested in doing better make money. Right right right, isn\u0026#39;t that funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s still the motivator, even though as time goes on 1600s, early 1700s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e He said the making of money is probably the most innocent thing that humans can engage themselves, involve themselves with. He said making money it\u0026#39;s really clean, you know it\u0026#39;s sort of a really clean activity and there\u0026#39;s an exchange and you feel a real sense of accomplishment and achievement. You know, there\u0026#39;s just something about something where it has to be good for both sides. It\u0026#39;s got a much higher energy impact to it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s good for me, it\u0026#39;s good for them, and it\u0026#39;s not just double the pleasure, it\u0026#39;s 10 times the pleasure yeah, and I mean, you know the nice thing about it is that to do it sustainably, there has to be a durable exchange of value. You know it has to be. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s what\u0026#39;s so? That\u0026#39;s what I mean. That\u0026#39;s what\u0026#39;s so clean about it. Right Is everybody wins yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI love that. That\u0026#39;s what I love about marketing, you know, is that it\u0026#39;s just such a great. I feel really great about being a connector in businesses who can really add value to people and getting the message out to the people who can need that value as much as possible. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And you know the thing is, it\u0026#39;s actually the creation of something new, that didn\u0026#39;t exist and then, once the exchange has been happened, it exists something new has been created and you know, and it\u0026#39;s a, it\u0026#39;s kind of proof that you\u0026#39;re real. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYes, right, right it\u0026#39;s a, it\u0026#39;s kind of proof that you\u0026#39;re real. Yes, right, right, you know, I mean you have people involved in various you know involvement of psychiatric treatment and you know they said, well, I don\u0026#39;t know if the world is real, I don\u0026#39;t know if I\u0026#39;m real, and I said well, if you\u0026#39;re only asking your opinion, it\u0026#39;s going to be hard to pin down. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, right on. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You have to get some proof from someone who\u0026#39;s not you that you know that what you do is valuable. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, that\u0026#39;s what the that\u0026#39;s the true, that\u0026#39;s the great thing about capitalism, you know is that it\u0026#39;s? Voluntary. It\u0026#39;s voluntary, right yeah? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was watching. You know the Shark Tank guy. He\u0026#39;s Canadian, kevin O\u0026#39;Leary. Yeah, yeah, I was seeing him and he was saying he was just telling the protesters on the campus that it\u0026#39;s being noted in the job market who these people are and they don\u0026#39;t realize the price that they\u0026#39;re paying and they have masks. And he said, doesn\u0026#39;t matter, we\u0026#39;re picking up your eyeballs. He said that every single person who was involved in the january 6th you know the- yes they. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWithin about two months, they knew who every individual was and where he was, because the technology is now so good. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd he said. They\u0026#39;re being used at the university campuses by the police and everybody else and every one of you who\u0026#39;s upsetting campus life and is doing that, it\u0026#39;s noted that you were doing this and if your resume tries to present you\u0026#39;re a different person from who you are in the student protest, doors just will be closed to you. You will never get any direct message that you were in the protest, but you\u0026#39;ll notice over the 10 years after you go to college and go out in the marketplace that you don\u0026#39;t have much opportunity and it\u0026#39;s a really good talk. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBecause he says you think there\u0026#39;s no cost to this. There\u0026#39;s a big cost to this talk. Because he says you think there\u0026#39;s no cost to this, there\u0026#39;s a big cost to this. And he says you think you\u0026#39;re inflicting the cost on someone else. I have to tell you, over 10 years the cost will be inflicted on you. And I just thought it was a neat little talk. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, he\u0026#39;s a pretty smart guy, I mean just like as a philosopher, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah and anyway, but I found it interesting that you know this rears up every once in a while. It\u0026#39;s a bit like a fever, you know that. But this is very well planned. All these students have been in training for the before they actually show up as a protest. They\u0026#39;ve been in training by, you know, by activists. You know trainers and the activists who train them are never there. They train them and then you know they\u0026#39;re off camera and you know they\u0026#39;re tracking down the money sources. These people are being paid, you know. I mean they\u0026#39;re actually being paid to do this and everything like that you know and everything like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut it\u0026#39;s an interesting thing how it\u0026#39;s harder and harder to do things in secret these days. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I was just thinking that, like back in, you know the fifties and sixties, seventies, eighties, even. You know everything now is is on, everything is on camera. You have to assume that you\u0026#39;re every move. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, they\u0026#39;re probably you know, communicating with other people on social media. You know they\u0026#39;re yeah they\u0026#39;re not just doing this in quiet, for right five, six, five, six days in a row, I mean they what got them out, you know, into the movement was probably social media. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHey, we\u0026#39;re going to do this and nothing else. And you should come to a meeting and we\u0026#39;re going to do this. And you know, I think late teens and early 20s people don\u0026#39;t think too much about that, you know, they don\u0026#39;t really think that it shows up. But we\u0026#39;re, you know, in our company, we really do extensive social media searches when we have a job, you know, a job applicant. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, you do, oh yeah, deep dive. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, deep dive. We had one woman and she came in and you know where our cafe is in the. Toronto office. And she came in and she was sitting out in the, you know, in the reception area and something about her just caught my attention. And then she came in and she was just perfectly done up, you know, I mean her clothes were great. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I watched her as she went through the cafe back to Babs\u0026#39; office and I said she\u0026#39;s just too perfect. I said there\u0026#39;s something wrong here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd afterwards she left and they were saying, boy, what a resume. She has a resume and everything else. I said there\u0026#39;s something too perfect about her. I said I get the sense that something\u0026#39;s off about her. So they went searching and they found out that she had a whole separate life as a burlesque dancer. Oh really, wow, that didn\u0026#39;t show up. That didn\u0026#39;t show up. And she even had a you know like a brand name for who she was in her other work. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eShe had a completely you know and she was in clubs and they\u0026#39;re sort of not public clubs and everything like that and not that there\u0026#39;s anything wrong with being a burlesque dancer If that\u0026#39;s your, you know. I mean, I mean it\u0026#39;s not really my, you know my favorite form of entertainment. But you know, but the fact is that she hid the other part of her life, and that\u0026#39;s the sense that I got. There\u0026#39;s something too perfect about her. There\u0026#39;s another side of her that\u0026#39;s not being seen, so it will be discovered. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIf you have another life besides the one that you\u0026#39;re presenting, it will be, discovered. Yeah, there\u0026#39;s no hiding now, right yeah, and the simple way is just be who you are. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Ah, that\u0026#39;s exactly right, that digital split. Yeah, and the simple way is just be who you are. Ah, that\u0026#39;s exactly right, that digital split. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know, and the people that we really have long-term relationships with invariably are people who just do they. There\u0026#39;s not another them. Right, yes exactly Right, right, right yeah. So anyway, did you learn anything about the way I approach things? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I did. I mean, I think that\u0026#39;s you know your organizing context. Like you know, I\u0026#39;ve been thinking about it in this terms of imagine, if you applied yourself, you know, and this is the applied portion of things and it sounds like your, the fast filter is the gateway into the applied world, right it\u0026#39;s? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eyeah that\u0026#39;s that starts. That makes it real because you\u0026#39;re making it up and then you\u0026#39;re making it real with a fast filter, yeah. And then that, when presented to your project manager or one of your project managers, you know you use the term, you know I mean executive function. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know you\u0026#39;re lacking in executive function. I don\u0026#39;t think that\u0026#39;s true. I think, from a creative standpoint, you retain a lot of total executive function. I think what I\u0026#39;ve completely delegated to other people is management function. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s not executive function, it\u0026#39;s executive execution function. I\u0026#39;ve got the starting execution, but then there\u0026#39;s got to be a handoff. Starting execution. But then there\u0026#39;s got to be a handoff and after the making it up stage then I have to hand it off to other people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I used to try to do the management function and I\u0026#39;m just no good at it. Yeah, and you know you\u0026#39;re. The thing about the quarterly book is a. You know that\u0026#39;s a viable construct. You know that\u0026#39;s a durable context, that you\u0026#39;re 38 quarters into a hundred quarter adventure, you know yeah, yeah, and that you know. So there\u0026#39;s that sort of rhythm, contextual rhythm, that sticks with it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, that sticks with it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s kind of a future time commitment. You know, like I\u0026#39;m not, I\u0026#39;m 40% through a 25-year project, so that means I\u0026#39;ve got, you know, I\u0026#39;ve got 2039, that I hit At the end of 2039, I hit quarter number 100, you know yeah right, and you know, and that gives me an incentive to make sure you\u0026#39;re there. Yeah, right, exactly. Oh, that\u0026#39;s so funny. Whatever it\u0026#39;s going to take, make sure you\u0026#39;re there, because you know it won\u0026#39;t do if it\u0026#39;s just 95. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, yeah, no, that\u0026#39;s exactly right. I love it. Well, I found this very it sounded very interesting. I appreciate it and I\u0026#39;m very excited about table 10 reunion. Yes, so I\u0026#39;ll set that up on the 15th or whatever. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you know what I\u0026#39;ll do is. I\u0026#39;ll say to the Maitre D just for today, can this be table 10? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s only table 10 when Dean and Dan are there, that\u0026#39;s exactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I know exactly where the table is, no matter what we call it, it\u0026#39;s still there. I mean it\u0026#39;s still there, I\u0026#39;m going to put it in Dan at 1130 on the 15th Perfect Table 10. Table 10. Dan at 11.30 on the 15th Perfect Table 10. Table 10. I like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e All right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, thank you, so much Are we on next week Yep. We\u0026#39;ll be back from Nashville Perfect. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, we get back on Saturday, so this is great. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Perfect. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m sorry I\u0026#39;m going to miss the big birthday bash, but I\u0026#39;m sure it\u0026#39;ll be wonderful and we\u0026#39;ll have exciting things to talk about next week. Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, good. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Thanks Dan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, bye. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, I reminisce about our wonderful experience at the recent Cloudlandia conference at Canyon Ranch in Tucson facilitated by the legendary Joe Polish.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nWe discuss the importance of maintaining an active lifestyle through routines like DEXA scans. Our conversation explores cultivating daily habits that balance productivity and creativity without overcommitting. \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nWrapping up, we tackle the nuances of time management as entrepreneurs and commitment levels' impact on execution. Discover how dependability and prudent social media actions shape future opportunities, drawing from Kevin O'Leary's wisdom.","date_published":"2024-05-15T09:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/615be475-1ec3-4817-8772-79bdc5862144.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":39581470,"duration_in_seconds":3295}]},{"id":"29513d37-1eb3-454e-9d2c-6fffcd7776b9","title":"Ep120: Strategies for Enhanced Productivity","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/120","content_text":"In today's episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, Dan and I discuss the paradox of achieving more through minimal effort. Exploring concepts like the 'Crucial ABC Questions' and the 80/20 rule, we uncover how sometimes the best approach is to simply stand still—how inaction itself can be a powerful strategy. \n\nWe share insights into the transformative nature of strategic scheduling and how it can liberate our lives from daily logistical burdens. By entrusting details to others and focusing only on meaningful tasks, forward-thinking time management elevates our experience and enables richer collaborations. \n\nTouching on varied successes, we reflect on the diverse challenges public figures face and the support networks shaping their approaches. \n\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\n\n    We explore the concept of achieving more by doing less, focusing on the 'Crucial ABC Questions' to isolate growth problems and find their least-effort solutions.\n    Dan and I discuss how inaction can sometimes be the most effective action, particularly when it leads to strategic delegation and efficiency.\n    We delve into the 80/20 principle, highlighting how focusing on the 20% of efforts that yield 80% of the results can enhance productivity.\n    Strategic scheduling is presented as a tool for life liberation, allowing individuals to indulge in what truly matters by delegating logistics to others.\n    We share personal stories and insights on how public figures manage their time and the impact of their support systems on personal and professional growth.\n    I share my approach to problem-solving by considering whether inaction could solve the problem or what is the least effort required to achieve the goal.\n    We highlight the significance of having others manage your structured calendar to allow for freedom of choice and richer life experiences.\n    Reflecting on success and fame, we examine how various degrees of support systems and self-reliance influence celebrities' lives and careers.\n    Strategies for entrepreneurs on managing time and maximizing productivity include asking key questions to reduce time spent on issues and preparing for future growth.\n    We discuss the importance of personal routines and structure in providing a sense of security and time management, and the philosophy of avoiding unnecessary risks.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean: Mr Sullivan, \n\nDan: Mr Jackson. \n\nDean: There we are Back again. \n\nDan: I have a question for you. \n\nDean: Okay. \n\nDan: Are there any problems you're solving today by doing nothing? \n\nDean: Yeah, I love it. It's like a paradox. You know, I had a great time at our workshop this week going through that, the exercise. I've been thinking a lot about it, actually, like I really have over the last several days. I've been writing a lot of things and so I could share some of the things, but yeah, I'd like to hear one. Okay, so let's preface it. I love, by the way, how our podcast is really just one continuous conversation that we jump right into everywhere. \n\nDan: Last one, so for anybody listening. \n\nDean: Let me try and take my shot at explaining your. What do you call the tool? What do you call the thinking tool? \n\nDan: The crucial ABC questions. \n\nDean: The crucial ABC questions. So my understanding of it, having you explain it to me and having gone through the exercise, is that there are some number of goals or obstacles or things that you want to do. \n\nDan: And I call them growth, I call them growth problems. Growth, In other words you have plans for growing something in your business life? For your personal life. But there is a problem. And I like the way, if you solve the problem, then the growth happens. \n\nDean: Yeah, I like the way of thinking about a problem not as an emotional negative thing but as a math proposition. You know something that there is a solution, and that's really what we're looking for here. The problem, finding the problem is really the biggest, the biggest path to getting the solution. \n\nDan: Yeah, you know you mentioned a math problem. That's like multiplication five times X equals 20. Right, okay. If you figure out what X is, then you have the. If you figure out what's relationship is between five and 20, then you've got a solution to the problem and you grow. \n\nDean: I like that. So I think that the preface of identifying the problem you got to have a problem, so identifying the problem and isolating it to one particular thing can be a multi variable problem, you know. But one of the one of the variables of the problem is then to ask yourself is there any way I could accomplish this? By doing nothing, yeah? I think, that's really a great thing. Is there any way I could accomplish this by doing nothing? \n\nDan: And. \n\nDean: I think that alone, you know, is a really good way of doing, of thinking, because it lets you think about, you know, just as a solution. Is there a way to do this with doing nothing? Then, once you acknowledge that in 99 times out of 100, the answer is going to be no, yeah, that you then move on to be, which is what's the least that I could do to accomplish this or to solve this. Yeah, really, I'm a big fan of the. I'm a big fan of, you know, everything fits into the stand. The 80% approach is a great way of thinking about this. \n\nCould I get most of what I'm looking for with 80% of this. And you know the corollary to that 80, 20 and what's the 20? 20% of this to get 80% of the result. I think that's a really good. I think thinking paths that opens up for you and then see the magic is is there a? Who could do my minimum? I think that is the ultimate. That's the. You know we identified it as the. That's the way to. That's the way to pray while you're smoking versus smoking while you're praying. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah. \n\nDean: I'll tell that again because I you told it on our last podcast but I've been thinking of all sorts of different applications of the smoking and praying yeah, the way I heard it was gentlemen goes to see the priest and asks him you know, is it, can I smoke? Well, I'm praying, and the pastor or the priest says well, you know, prayer is supposed to be a reverential thing and you should come with reverence. \n\nAnd so, no, I would say you shouldn't smoke while you're, while you're praying and anyway, and it came back several weeks later and within conversation, was asked go father, when should I pray? And the father says well, the Bible says you should pray without ceasing, should be in constant prayer and communion. And he says, so, should I pray while I'm gardening? Because, yes, being in nature and being with being present, you should definitely pray. Should I pray while I'm walking? Well, yes, you should pray while you're walking. Can I pray while I'm smoking? \n\nIt's so funny simple syntax change that gets you to the outcome completely different than when you presented. \n\nDan: It's a totally contextual yeah it's a totally contextual change, and so, going back to the three questions, so the first one is the way I can solve this, by doing nothing. If there's something you have to do, then what's the least you have to do. And if there's a least that you have to do. Is there someone who can do your least for you, with the result that you're solving the problem by doing nothing? \n\nYeah but it's an interesting thing. Well, what's changed in your mind? I mean, when you put the three questions together, because this really starts with a conversation that created the entire podcast series that we've been doing for quite a long time? We've done quite a number of years We've done I think this is. The total is about 215. So this is episode 215 of our never-ending conversations, but it originally came back from my appealing. I just dropped a line when we were at a restaurant, los Select in Toronto and I said you know, I've been thinking about procrastination, and procrastination is an avoidance of something that really you're exhibiting. You're actually exhibiting wisdom because you know from your entire history of what works and doesn't seem to be working. The goal you have here, when you say this needs to be done, and you say, well, how am I going to do that? Well, the goal is an appropriate thing, it's exciting, it motivates you know it motivates some kind of action. \n\nIt's just that you're not the one who's supposed to actually be doing the thing that you want. So it relates directly back to procrastination. \n\nDean: I think, I think that it's in the same family, same root, yeah. \n\nDan: It's a sense of family resemblance Exactly. \n\nDean: Well, so I'll tell you the evolution of my thinking around. It is, you know, lillian is coming by today, lillian my assistant, and so I mentioned to you that one of the ways that I've been kind of applying this thinking is in my eating, in my meals. And you know I went to the process of with Jay Virgin, you know, we kind of outlined some great meal choices, 10 kind of power meals for me that are available here in Winterhaven through Grubhub and Uber Eats to be delivered. And I discovered the pre-arranged delivery you can arrange, you know, up to four days ahead that they will deliver at certain times. And so I've taken that was cut to the point of if I take that, if I want to eat great meals, is there any way I could do nothing about this? \n\nWell, there's not really any way because you have to arrange and eat the meals right. So what's the least that I could do and that led me to the pre-arranged things in combination of those meals, and factor my factor 75, that I've got some meals that arrive at my house once a week and they're very easy. They just, you know, require a couple of minutes to eat up, but they're perfectly portioned, already done, and delicious and nutritious and ready to go. And so my next level, thinking of this now from spurred from our conversation this week at in our FreeZone workshop, was to think okay, can I, is there a way I could have my portion of this done by someone? And so Lillian and I are going to experiment this week with her pre-arranging the meals to be to arrive at 12 o'clock and six o'clock, so mainly the 12 o'clock one that I that needs to arrive, because typically I use, I do, the factor meal for dinner. But that's going to be the experiment this week is here's the 10 meals. \n\nDan: I don't really care. \n\nDean: I don't really care which one it is, but let's rotate through them and at 12 o'clock something delicious will arrive at my doorstep without me having to do anything but eat the meal and I think that's, I think that's going to be my workaround for not having to, you know, really not having to do anything but eat. \n\nDan: So does the? You have the 12 o'clock meal and the six o'clock meal. Are they different every day? Well, you got a map. If you just are talking about different combinations of two, and you basically have 20 things to work with, the combinations are in the thousands. \n\nDean: Yes, that's exactly right. I think that's true. \n\nAnd it doesn't really it doesn't. There's no duds. You know I order, like the. I order six meals from Factor. So there's six days of the. You know six of those meal options I order from Factor and there's usually 30 plus meals to choose from. So I do have some favorite ones that and sometimes they're different and each week there are 30, but there's probably they probably rotate in you know several different ones Like yeah, so I'll see which ones I really which ones I like, and I may even be able to with a little bit of coaching. Thank you for reminding me of that. Then I'm going to look at that and see there's only so many variations. I'll just tell Lillian which factor ones I don't like. \n\nDan: Yeah, but it's enormous the number of combinations because you're and there's actually, if you go on the internet, there's things that'll give you the different combinations. Like it'll give the different numbers you know, and it's a lot, it's really. It's really. I'm not sure it's over a thousand, but it's certainly in the hundreds. You know which. \n\nDean: I'm very excited about the. So I'm very excited about that possibility, you know, because that's going to free up and I think there's something you know it's a great analog for everything. The next thing I've been doing is taking that and applying it to my content creation. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: And I was just this morning going through the process of, you know, really getting to the point of what my, what is my core thing that I really like to do. So I'll say I'll talk a little bit more about that, but let's explore what you were saying. \n\nDan: Yeah, let's go you know the interesting thing about bringing Lillian into the, you know, into the process we have a caterer who caters the meals for our workshops. So then, they could say 18 or 19 years. You know, and yeah, and my rule is any meal for the catering can be you can. You know, you can make the meals for the clients anything you want to think, but there has to be chicken, turkey chili, chicken chili. \n\nRight, right Then there has to be some kind of coleslaw and there should be some parmesan cheese, right? So my variation from day to day is which do I put in the bowl? First the parmesan cheese, the chili or the coleslaw, regardless of what else is on the food line? But then he makes our meals for Babzame at home, and this is lunches and dinners the same setup that you have, and it's really interesting because there's about it probably rotates. The salads have a variation, maybe three or four different kinds of salads, like. What's really interesting is the entrees, and they could vary. Let's say, there's 12 variations, 12 variations, and I never know what's coming for today, tomorrow or the next day. So something familiar, something we like, something we've had before, and then every once in a while he throws in a new one, right? So my sense, with Lillian doing the ordering it adds a little bit of surprise. \n\nYeah, a little surprise, because you're saying, yeah, I wonder what's going to show up today. Yeah, you know, and it won't be the same as yesterday and it won't be the same as tomorrow. Right, and so I think it adds a little variety to certainty. \n\nDean: What it removes is discretion. It removes variation and room for you know if it's all within this band. You get variety, but it's all from an approved playlist. \n\nDan: You know, yeah, On a completely different, on a completely different, a completely different dimension. The way my year works. I don't like scheduling. \n\nDean: Right. \n\nDan: Okay, I don't like being responsible for scheduling. I don't want to be responsible for other people scheduling, so I work, and I've worked with a series of managers who do the various activities and my, you know really great EA Echamiller. \n\nDean: Okay. \n\nDan: And so, if you look at my entire year, I have 210 work days. Okay, so let's just talk about the work days 200. I have 100 and I have let me just think this 100, 250. 250, 250, 250. And 210 work days, which include both focus days and buffer days. Yeah, and 155 free days 155 free days, which adds up to 365. This year I've got a sort of an anxious decision to make because there's one extra day. I'm feeling the I'm feeling the pressure. I'm feeling the pressure that extra day in February. \n\nI'm oh geez. You know what will I do with it. You know it's eating me. It's eating me, dean. \n\nDean: Well, you're going to be, is that? Are you going to be in Palm Beach then? \n\nDan: Geez, I don't know. You know because I'm told where to show up. What is? The date of Palm Beach. You know, you know you're defeating me. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. \n\nDean: Oh yeah, but I will be told when to go. You will be in Palm Beach, dan, of course. So, no for the summit. That's what I mean. I mean I will be in Palm Beach for that extra day. Well, 29th is when the extra day is I mean the extra. \n\nDan: There's an extra day in February but the truth is 366 days in the year. \n\nDean: So you know, I understand. That's the symmetry, the elegance of it being that February. \n\nDan: Well, that's taken care of them. \n\nDean: We can have a super happy fun day. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a day when I'm responsible for nothing. \n\nDean: I think we should see if we can work to do that together that day. That would be a very nice day. \n\nDan: Yeah Well see, just by expressing the problem life, I've solved it. \n\nDean: Yeah. I think, that's probably a great idea. \n\nDan: Is there any who can do my least effort here? You did it for me. So thank you very much, yeah, anyway, but the whole point is, my whole year looks like this it's all scheduled by other people, and so I have a right of refusal on this, and I have a right of free arrangement. My whole schedule from January 1st to the end of December is scheduled, and then there's free spaces. Every focus day has some free space in it. Every buffer day has free space in it. \n\nAnd then as far as the free days go, it doesn't specify too much of the activities, except things that have to be scheduled ahead of time things that have to be chosen ahead of time, like dinner engagements, but that's all done. I mean that's all done. So what would happen in Toronto? I'd be in the cottage. I wouldn't be in Chicago, because Chicago is strictly a work trip and everything We'll be down in Palm Beach. \n\nIt won't be just for the conference. We'll have a day before and a day after, and going to Phoenix next week, I'm going to Argentina the next week and everything but everything that needs to be scheduled ahead of time is scheduled by someone else, arranged by someone else, so it allows me just to show up, but all these scheduled things are what I've said, that I want to do, or together, babs and I want to do. \n\nAnd then somebody else works out the scheduling and the arrangements and everything that's needed, putting transportation together, and it just allows me to move from day to day without the pressure of indecision. Have I scheduled that? And I can't believe the number of people who are incredibly successful who are still scheduling their own things. I just can't believe. Why are you doing this? Why are you doing this at this point? And they say, well, I don't like someone else telling me what to do. \n\nDean: And. \n\nDan: I says they're not telling you what to do. They're saying this is what you wanted to do and we made the arrangement for you. \n\nDean: Yeah, exactly Great. I mean that's really. I'm laughing, dan, but for years that's been me. I mean I've been resistant to scheduling my take on. \n\nI mean it was right in my declaration of independence, kind of thing my freedom charter is my number one way of defining success has been I wake up every day and say what would I like to do today. I realize now that I've missed out on a lot, because it could be so much better if I were to just change one word is I wake up every day and say what would I like to do tomorrow. The future. \n\nDan: I mean, that's really, that's the better, that's the real freedom. Yeah, you just changed smoking and praying. \n\nDean: Yes, that's exactly what. \n\nI did, dan is because you're limited by what you can arrange. When your choice is today, when you're waking up and saying what would I like to do today, you're limited by what's available for the day, whereas if I say what would I like to do tomorrow, and tomorrow being an operative word for not today but in the future, what could I arrange today? That's really you know what it's the difference, dan. It's the difference between having conversation like this six weeks before February 29 and coming to the conclusion that, hey, it's a possibility that we can have a super happy, fun day and maybe we can make that happen for us. But if I were to wait until February 29 and wake up and say, what would I like to do? That I'd like to spend the day with Dan, I were to call you on any one of those days and say, hey, what are you doing today? \n\nThe odds of us being able to spend that day together are slim to none. \n\nDan: Yeah. Yeah, you mentioned your declaration of independence. But I said, if you're severely constrained by the lateness of your, you know, identifying something and getting ready for it, it's really not a great life. It certainly doesn't sound like liberty and it doesn't sound to me like you can pursue happiness. \n\nDean: That's the truth. Yeah, it's really. I mean. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's an interesting thing and, as you know from previous conversations and that I was bound in my late teenagers that I was going to go into theater, okay, and I'll say I dabbled with it for about five years. \n\nYou know I actually was involved in the theater at, you know, an amateur level. I was involved with it but you know, I was in maybe 10 productions and one role or another. And the big thing that you begin to realize by the entertainment world is that people become stars. And I'm going to say two factors are here. They become stars because they are increasingly freed up from doing anything except entertain you know they're completely afraid of. \n\nAnd I'll say the other factor the reason they want to be a star is because they don't have to do anything except entertain. \n\nSo there's both an effect and a cause there, but they're exactly the same. They're motivated not to have to do that. And I was reading once about, you know, moving in baseball from the minor leagues to the major leagues the top minor league is a huge jump to the major leagues and I consider sports a form of entertainment, so I'm relating it back to the same conversation. Okay, and the. I remember the shortstop, you know, and there was a year when about 12, 12 shorts in the major leagues came from the same town in the Dominican Republic and it's apparently short. It's the world center of major league shortstops. \n\nDean: Okay, world head club, uh-huh. \n\nDan: And you know, through a translator, because he doesn't speak English through a you know an interviewer asked him what do you notice, the biggest difference, biggest difference of being in the major leagues? And he said I don't have to wash my own laundry. He said I don't have to carry my own bags. \n\nDean: Yes, I love that you know it was something, something a very similar conversation with someone this week who was I talking to about this I think I was talking more, I was having a conversation with Taki about that this week that thinking about, you know, pro sports like thinking about the athletes and the you know, thinking about the structure of the NFL, for instance, if I were an NFL quarterback, that there's very little that an NFL quarterback has to do other than bring themselves to be to perform on the day, right, that there's all of the everything else. Talk about, you know not having to do the carry your own bag or wash your laundry or anything like that. There's a very, very structured way of the of an NFL week. It's broken up into, you know, 16 weeks kind of thing, right as the main thing, and each week starts with a very organized structure and flow to the week where there are free days and focus days and buffer days. Of course Sunday is the big focus day that everybody you're ready for that. \n\nBut you know Monday they I saw a you know week in the life of a NFL player and so Monday they watch film and get treatment for you know, their injuries or whatever you know body recovery kind of things. Tuesday is an off day, a free day. Wednesday is right back to practice, and Wednesday, thursday, friday, same Saturday is a travel day if they're going to you know a new city or whatever. And then Sunday is game day and everything is all 100% organized around them. There's lots of exoskeleton and lots of scaffolding to keep that. \n\nAnd a lot of hoos, a lot of hoos and mentioning Tataki, like the difference between that and professional tennis or golf even. You know there's some structure around the tournaments, but the individuals you know you're responsible for everything. You know it's all self directed and it's completely meritocracy. There's no signing a 10 year max contract in tennis. You have to win every week in order to win. You know, and I thought that's really. You know, it's really. I could probably do some therapy about my life choices, of why you know choosing tennis and golf as sports as opposed to continuing with team sports. You know. \n\nDan: Yeah, I think the big thing I had a phrase because I actually went to see Frank Sinatra back in, you know back in the 70s. \n\nDean: And. \n\nDan: I came up with this line. One of the things you notice about Frank Sinatra right off the bat is Frank Sinatra does not move pianos. Right, Exactly oh that's so funny, you know he's got a whole team that comes in the day before sets up everything you know. I mean there's with a performance like Frank Sinatra there's literally dozens of people who are specialized, people that handle his whole trip, his whole lodging you know, and everything Great stars, taylor Swift to bring it up to the present moment. \n\nDean: I mean she's probably got an army. \n\nDan: She's probably got an army of people. You know, and uh 55 trucks to you know to bring the entire you know the entire physical set, the entire physical set, including the technology, and yes, and, and everything else, yeah, and. But you can see the difference to me. I remember Keith Richard Richard's of the. Is it Richard or Richard, keith? \n\nDean: Richards. \n\nDan: Yeah, richard. Keith Richards made a documentary film on Chuck Berry who so many of the 60s you have to remember that the stones started in the 1960s and he made a documentary film on Chuck Berry and it was a bit of. Keith Richards described it. \n\nHe says it was a bit of total, almost admiration and worship for the musical skills of Chuck Berry but at the same time almost a sense of disappointment and kind of resentment towards Chuck Berry because he never built any kind of structure around him. Okay, thank you. And so he did this documentary for him that sort of traced him from his very poor, poor beginnings in the St Louis area and you know, and then. But he never. He went big simply because of his talent and the you know, the media for spreading his talent through the airwaves. And he became famous, but he never really took advantage of it. He really took it. \n\nYou know he was playing that county fairs and everything throughout his career. Okay, but he inspired maybe hundreds or thousands of people who became successful in music just because of the sheer wizardry of his. You know his songs, his voice, you know his ability to play a guitar and everything else. \n\nSo they did it and there was Bruce Springsteen was saying that he was like an 18 year old or 19 year old and was a, you know, got a really lucky gig at a fair in Pennsylvania county fair or something like that and as backup to Chuck Berry and he was just amazed. \n\nSo they all got there about five, six hours. All the musicians got there five or six hours. And you know, four, five, four hours, chuck Berry's not there. Three hours Chuck Berry's not there. One hour Chuck Berry's not there. 20 minutes before the presentation, chuck Berry comes in, ignores the musicians, goes in to see the manager and comes out with a bag that's got his money in it in cash and then he just starts tuning those instruments. And finally Bruce Springsteen goes up to Chuck Berry and says Mr Berry. He says yes, boy. He says what are we going to play? He says what do we going to play, boy? We're going to play Chuck Berry music. That was his prep. \n\nDean: That was his prep yeah. \n\nDan: The name of that movie. \n\nDean: I need to watch that because. \n\nDan: No, just plug in. Keith Richards, yes, Just his you know documentary on Chuck Berry. He'll come up with it. \n\nBut there's a great scene near the end of the movie where they go back to a theater in St Louis where, when he was growing up, chuck Berry had to sit in the balcony because he was black. It was, you know, wasn't segregated, that they couldn't go to the theater, but they had to sit in a certain section where they didn't have drinking fountains and didn't really have bathrooms, you know. And then they put on an actual performance in that theater as part of the documentary and it just shows the complete circle of him, starting when he couldn't be in the main part of the auditorium, certainly couldn't be on stage, and then being the star, and, but one of the things, they went and visited his home, which he had and this had, you know, his entire life. I think it may have been his parents home, but he had the home and it was pristine. \n\nYou know it was beautifully kept up, not a, not a, you know, a rundown part of town, but not in a rich part of town either. It was you know sort of a modest house and everything you know, everything was kept up. It was you know, it was nothing rundown about it. And he was just taken through the house and they went to a door and he opened the door and their shelf on both sides were paint cans and paint brushes. \n\nAnd Keith Richards said what's this? He says well, you know, sometimes I didn't have gigs all the time, so I was a house painter. He says I paint houses. Wow, he says yeah, but yeah, but you know, that's in the past. That's in the past. He says why do you still keep? You know the brushes were fresh, the cans were cans. He says why are you keeping that round and check where? He says well, you never know. \n\nDean: Oh, you never know. Wow, I would have to watch this. That sounds fascinating. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: I love things like that, so that's really I think that'll be a good find. Good Now, I know what I'm in. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's just a really, but he didn't believe in who's you know he just didn't believe in who's you know? Is there a way I can solve this problem with doing nothing. No, well, yeah, is there a? Way of solving the problem of too much fame and success without doing. Without doing anything? \n\nDean: Yes, yeah, right, right, right. I mean wow, I mean yeah, I'm fascinated that I haven't heard about this before. So I almost like I just love that. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's a long time ago. I mean, it's a long time ago. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: Maybe something I saw 25 years ago. \n\nDean: I remember it very distinctly. \n\nDan: I remember it very distinctly yeah. \n\nDean: So what has your insight been? In now, you know taking this out to the check writers as we say. What has been your experience? The reception of the ABC, thinking. \n\nDan: Well, I think it's a very simple, what could very much be a daily tool, because things are always coming up which are things to be solved you? Know, and I mean so. For example, if you handle three of them today, the amount of time you thought you're going to have to spend on them has been severely reduced by simply asking the three questions Is there any way I can solve this by doing nothing. What's the least I have to do, and who could do my least? \n\nWell probably you were thinking that might take five or six hours and it probably takes 30 minutes. Okay, right. You know, it sort of takes 30 minutes, and I find usually the thing that the entrepreneur has to do is they have to communicate clear results for the right person, in other words, clear results to be achieved by the right person, with a clear understanding of why the projects were important and what are the measurable success factors of the project, which we call an impact filter. \n\nDean: I was just going to say. If only there was an easy tool to convey that. \n\nDan: There is one. It's called the impact filter, but if you handle that, then you've watched yourself probably four or five hours today which gives you time now to prepare for tomorrow. Okay. So you want to get yourself that you're not looking at today's growth problems. You're looking at tomorrow's growth problems, yes, okay. \n\nAnd you know, and what I've noticed with me is then that day I can put the. You know, this is a newly created tool, but before what I do is I can say okay, all clear and communicated about tomorrow, then I can move it another day in the future. And I keep buying myself days in the future by using this tool. I mean this has just occurred to me, you know, since I have one, as I created the tool for myself. And if it worked for myself, then there's a chance it'll work for the entrepreneurs. \n\nBut then I have a full quarter now behind me of it working with the entrepreneurs and then I just move it more and more into the future. But I think it's you know, it'll already be in the client website for their tool inventory so that they'll be able to do it. But if you just had a habit of always the day before you're solving tomorrow's problems. I like that, that's when that really works over 25 years. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's the consistency thing. Right is spending some time. What would I like to do tomorrow, and tomorrow being the operative for in the future? Yeah, I've been. I've been constantly evolving and experimenting on myself with different ways of organizing things like that, and you know, the gotten down to the plank, the pixel, the minimum unit of time being the 10 minute, the 10 minute unit where we have 110 minute units in a day, basically to up, deploy. \n\nAnd I've been following those hundreds all the way up right like so. 100 minutes is basically to 50 minute focus finders, which is the thing I have the most, that's, the most immediate control over right what am I doing in the next minutes about about this. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: And then the 100, 100 hours is basically 8am Monday morning till noon on Friday, is basically 100 hours of time linearly. And that, you know, if I take that NFL type of structure of week, if you're looking at them that way, that's a big, that's a nice Focus. You know that that feels like that. And then a hundred days is Essentially a quarter, you know, looking at the things, with some little buffer in between them, you know, like giving room for some free days and things Aside, but, and a hundred weeks is really you can do almost anything in a hundred weeks, yeah. \n\nDan: And so, yeah, I think that's the thing is I. I don't use my Apple watch for a lot of things, but the one thing I do is the timer and you know they have a timer app and my my favorite is 30 minutes you know, 30 minutes and and in other words, something may happen that requires a couple hours. I simply say what's going to get done over the next 30 minutes. \n\nYeah, okay, and the thing that I find is true that if I didn't have that 30 minutes, when I look at what did get done over 30 minutes because I had the 30 minute framework, I Always get much more done in the 30 minutes, 30 minutes. Then I thought or I get 30 minutes worth of work done in 20 minutes. But if I didn't have the framework and it would always take me much, much more time, right because, I would take score, a score of commercial breaks. \n\nDean: I know, and that's exactly true, right, like I do exactly the same thing. I've been thinking about what I really do, like my thing is running things through. I've been calling it the Deenatron 3000 that I've got the brain. There that I can operate right and yeah, if I treat it like a wood chipper, that I've got to feed stuff into it. They have it working. \n\nBut I've got a. But the thing is to pile up. You know, like when I look at the things is to have the hopper loaded up with sequential. What is the? What are the next things that I'm going to do on that Stuff? You know, the 10 hours thing, what are the next 10 hours about? Because I noticed that the Deenatron 3000 doesn't really care what it's working on. It is very open to Suggestion, right, and that's why I would say that jumps yeah. \n\nDan: I would just say that's true about the human brain and yeah. \n\nDean: Generally as long as the brain really doesn't get. \n\nDan: The brain wants to work on something and it does really care what it is. Yeah, it could be good or it could be bad. It does not care. It makes no moral distinctions. It makes you know. You know it Work on bad things just as with as much enthusiasm as working on good things. \n\nDean: Yeah, it'll work on one thing the same way. It'll work on everything you know and if you're putting on the, you know, putting on some direction of it, feeding in, setting up a context for what it is that's Happening this hour, yeah, really, or this 30 minutes, that's, yeah. I think it's just adding, you know, a contextual Management layer in a way. \n\nDan: Yeah, you know, it's like having not and then checking out if you're actually a manager. \n\nDean: Yeah, right exactly. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: I'm not a manager. I'm not either. \n\nDan: I'm not a man manager, and you're not either you know I have to delegate Management, I mean. And the other thing is memory you know I delegate memory and I have. \n\nI always have someone with me. I remember there was a famous platform speaker, I think in the 90s, okay, and we were at Genius. We remain platform at genius. I'm pretty sure it was genius. It couldn't been the 90s, because genius didn't exist, it was some other. No, I think it was a big you know industry Conference and I was and I was on. I had been on before lunch and this guy joined me at lunch and and he was talking. \n\nYou know, we should really work together and and so I was interested, you know, interested in the conversation, anything you know. Usually when somebody says we should work Together, usually means that he'd like me to work for him, you know. \n\nIn any way, and so I just given my talk and I had my team of I didn't have team members, but there were clients Strategic coach clients at lunch with me and he was talking away and we were chatting everything and then all at once he looks at his watch and he says, oh my god, I'm on in three minutes I'm. And he says, here, I just will hand us a bill. He don't have to rake on a rush dog. And this guy was more famous than I was, I mean, as a platform speaker. He was times more famous than I was, but I had spoken in the morning at like 11 o'clock. \n\nI had had an hour and Someone came and got me at 9 o'clock and took me backstage and set there, you know. And we sat there and and I had three team members. I never traveled without three team members. Yeah, and the team members take care of arrangements and this person does that, you know, but I would never ever be. You know, just arriving. You know, just arriving, checkberry style. \n\nI would never just be arriving, I would already be there, I would already matter of fact, what I'd like to do with speeches is go out and talk to the members of the audience, because I Pick up. Q I pick up. \n\nDean: Q's. \n\nDan: You know, it's like Jay Leno who, if you got there. He was already there two hours ahead of time and he was chatting with you know, and he was just picking up material. Do you know what? \n\nDean: Sorry but go ahead. I was gonna say, just on a similar thing, tony Robbins, who we were playing golf this is maybe ten years ago now, almost playing golf one day we're talking about I know I'm being successful when my declaration of it, we're talking about those things that you know, the number one thing, when I, you know, wake up every day and say what would I like to do the day, and Tony, when we were talking about it, he looked at me and he said dude, I don't have one of those days till March, and this was January, right, and his whole thing was a very different. He had that. He definitely had a what would I like to do tomorrow Approach to his life, because even in playing golf we were gonna. We were filming some video things for a program he was doing. So he arrived at my country club you know, two SUVs deep to six people and that you know assistants with assistants and the camera guys in the sound guy in the body, body guards. \n\nYeah, the whole thing, and that is true, like I played golf with him in in In Fort Lauderdale he was done in Palm Beach, but I played golf with him and literally they arranged the, they arranged the tee time ahead of and behind and have a, you know, to Security ahead and behind that are following the, just following, you know, a hundred yards behind us at all times. Very funny, right by not just keeping these buffers around around whatever, a very different approach yeah it's whatever system he's required. \n\nDan: But you know, I don't know. My feeling is timing and scheduling is idiotic and cratic. It's completely All in individual how an individual, what story they tell about their past and what story they're telling about their future. And that determines what the structure of today looks like that. So it's a structure and my, my sense is I don't, I never like being rushed. \n\nDean: Okay, I always want to be. \n\nDan: I always want to be prepared. Yeah and I don't like sudden surprises. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: I really don't like sudden surprises and therefore, in order to Get that Structure around me, I give this, that same right, to all the people who work with me. \n\nThey don't have to rush. There'll be lots of preparation before him. Then there'll be no surprises. It's very smooth, it's very calm. Everybody gets just to, gets to focus and you know, focus on what they're doing and then this just floats through time. This little system, you know, flows through time. Now, yeah, I deliberately played such a low key person throughout my career that I don't need security. Yeah yeah, yeah, and my, my sense of the sense of success Be as successful and well known as you can without requiring a security person. \n\nDean: Right, yes, yeah. Warren versus Mark Zuckerberg. \n\nDan: Well, Warren Buffett, you know he flies by himself. He flies by himself. You know he's just got his briefcase because he comes in and goes out the same day. And you know he's got a private jet and he gets picked up my limousine company is actually his limousine company when he comes into Toronto and he wants to sit in the front seat with the driver and he just gets to the driver all day and when he arrives at a place or someone's standing, you know they're standing on the curb, you know, yeah, on the sidewalk, and they take him in and he comes out, and you know pretty. \n\nYou know, pretty much on time, and then he goes home. You know, you know he has his lunch with whoever and then goes home. Mark Zuckerberg has 24-hour security and the number of people involved. \n\nFor him, his family and his chief officers is like 70. He's got like 70. He's got secret escape rooms, he's got tunnels and you know, and you know, I think, what your structure around you reflects, whether you think it's a safe world or a dangerous world. I think that's great. I think it's a safe world as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I know it's dangerous for others, but I don't feel, I don't feel, or I stay away from places that are dangerous. \n\nRight yeah, it's like somebody gets Arrested in Russia and then you know America's got this thing is. You know that the country will come to your rescue one way or another. And I said why are you in Russia? What? Why are you even visiting there? \n\nDean: I went right. \n\nDan: Yeah or China. I wouldn't go to China, you know, I would even go there you know it's like the joke about that. \n\nDean: You know what my yeah, I heard about these guys that were, you know, died in a base jumping Accident. Right, and I said that's this one thing. I know with certainty that my tombstone will never say Died in a terrible base jumping accident. \n\nDan: Yeah, what are those flying suits that people right? \n\nDean: exactly yes, is that base jump? That's what I was talking about and I think it is called. You know, I don't know what it is, but the human flying suits, but that's what they do. They jump off they jump off a cliff and, basically, just like those, they float, they've got a parachute. They've got a parachute yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, and you know, I've seen videos of the ones where it worked. Yeah, yes exactly. They don't show you. They don't show you the other ones. Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah, why are you doing this? Yeah? \n\nDean: I'm never gonna die in a park accident. \n\nDan: Yeah, but I think it's, you know, different nervous system. You know, I think every nervous system is unique, you know, yeah, yeah, who's the guy who did in Yosemite Park there was a. It won the Academy Award and he did it with no ropes, you know, he just had his hands and feet. \n\nDean: Oh. \n\nDan: I don't know. \n\nDean: Yeah, well, Linda Well. \n\nDan: Linda, now that's a whole family. \n\nDean: Yeah right rope workers. \n\nDan: Now, this is the guy. He's a free climber. Oh, okay, right, right, and they all capitan is just a sheer cliff from top to bottom. You know, yeah, I think it's a couple thousand feet and anyway, and it usually takes climbers where they're using, you know, they're using the things that they drive into the rock and then they put the, you know, and they usually takes them A day and a half to do it, not you know, which requires that they stay overnight. \n\nThey have to sleep right and that's you know and everything else. I think he did it top to bottom in about two and a half hours yeah. I just thought wow and he had a film crew at the bottom and at the top and that they were filming the film that became the you know the free solo. \n\nDean: Was that what that was? \n\nDan: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what, anyway, but he just went to top to bottom, okay, and her bottom to top and in a Insanely short period of time. But he told the film crew that they wouldn't get any money. He said I am, you're only getting half the money and you won't get the other half, that if I fall and kill myself you don't catch it on film. \n\nWow you know, and they're kind of leaning out at the top. You know they have, you know they have wires in that that keep them safe, which requires a certain you know a certain amount of courage itself to do that the people at the top but thinking that the guy bait might fall. And yeah, everything you know and everything but different nervous system. I don't have that nervous system. \n\nDean: Me neither, me neither. \n\nDan: Well, we covered a lot of territory today. \n\nDean: We really did yeah. There's a lot of nervous. \n\nDan: There's a lot of nervous systems that couldn't do what we're doing. \n\nDean: Where we go, exactly yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, well, what's the script here Script it's listening to. It's listening to what he says next. That's so funny. Well, what are you gonna say next? I don't know until he says it right, we know we're gonna start with. \n\nDean: Welcome to Cloudlandia. Yeah yeah, anyway very enjoyable. \n\nDan: Always next week. I'm in just arriving in Argentina, so to be the weekend after yeah, I saw that we got a email from. \n\nDean: I love that, you know. Becca and Lillian, just keep us on Triad ever. \n\nDan: I just see it on. \n\nDean: I don't even have to put the Podcasts with Dan on the calendar. What we put on the calendar is no podcast with Dan. \n\nDan: That's the yeah, there's more uncertainty to that, isn't? \n\nDean: there, that's exactly right. \n\nDan: Yeah well. \n\nDean: I'm excited about the possibility of the 29th. And oh, okay that present, but I think that would be fantastic. Okay, okay, thank you, Bye, thanks Bye. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn today\u0026#39;s episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, Dan and I discuss the paradox of achieving more through minimal effort. Exploring concepts like the \u0026#39;Crucial ABC Questions\u0026#39; and the 80/20 rule, we uncover how sometimes the best approach is to simply stand still—how inaction itself can be a powerful strategy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe share insights into the transformative nature of strategic scheduling and how it can liberate our lives from daily logistical burdens. By entrusting details to others and focusing only on meaningful tasks, forward-thinking time management elevates our experience and enables richer collaborations. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eTouching on varied successes, we reflect on the diverse challenges public figures face and the support networks shaping their approaches. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul style=\"list-style-type: circle;\"\u003e\n\u003c/center\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe explore the concept of achieving more by doing less, focusing on the 'Crucial ABC Questions' to isolate growth problems and find their least-effort solutions.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eDan and I discuss how inaction can sometimes be the most effective action, particularly when it leads to strategic delegation and efficiency.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe delve into the 80/20 principle, highlighting how focusing on the 20% of efforts that yield 80% of the results can enhance productivity.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eStrategic scheduling is presented as a tool for life liberation, allowing individuals to indulge in what truly matters by delegating logistics to others.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe share personal stories and insights on how public figures manage their time and the impact of their support systems on personal and professional growth.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eI share my approach to problem-solving by considering whether inaction could solve the problem or what is the least effort required to achieve the goal.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe highlight the significance of having others manage your structured calendar to allow for freedom of choice and richer life experiences.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eReflecting on success and fame, we examine how various degrees of support systems and self-reliance influence celebrities' lives and careers.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eStrategies for entrepreneurs on managing time and maximizing productivity include asking key questions to reduce time spent on issues and preparing for future growth.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe discuss the importance of personal routines and structure in providing a sense of security and time management, and the philosophy of avoiding unnecessary risks.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Sullivan, \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Jackson. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e There we are Back again. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I have a question for you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Are there any problems you\u0026#39;re solving today by doing nothing? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I love it. It\u0026#39;s like a paradox. You know, I had a great time at our workshop this week going through that, the exercise. I\u0026#39;ve been thinking a lot about it, actually, like I really have over the last several days. I\u0026#39;ve been writing a lot of things and so I could share some of the things, but yeah, I\u0026#39;d like to hear one. Okay, so let\u0026#39;s preface it. I love, by the way, how our podcast is really just one continuous conversation that we jump right into everywhere. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Last one, so for anybody listening. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Let me try and take my shot at explaining your. What do you call the tool? What do you call the thinking tool? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The crucial ABC questions. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e The crucial ABC questions. So my understanding of it, having you explain it to me and having gone through the exercise, is that there are some number of goals or obstacles or things that you want to do. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I call them growth, I call them growth problems. Growth, In other words you have plans for growing something in your business life? For your personal life. But there is a problem. And I like the way, if you solve the problem, then the growth happens. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I like the way of thinking about a problem not as an emotional negative thing but as a math proposition. You know something that there is a solution, and that\u0026#39;s really what we\u0026#39;re looking for here. The problem, finding the problem is really the biggest, the biggest path to getting the solution. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you know you mentioned a math problem. That\u0026#39;s like multiplication five times X equals 20. Right, okay. If you figure out what X is, then you have the. If you figure out what\u0026#39;s relationship is between five and 20, then you\u0026#39;ve got a solution to the problem and you grow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I like that. So I think that the preface of identifying the problem you got to have a problem, so identifying the problem and isolating it to one particular thing can be a multi variable problem, you know. But one of the one of the variables of the problem is then to ask yourself is there any way I could accomplish this? By doing nothing, yeah? I think, that\u0026#39;s really a great thing. Is there any way I could accomplish this by doing nothing? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that alone, you know, is a really good way of doing, of thinking, because it lets you think about, you know, just as a solution. Is there a way to do this with doing nothing? Then, once you acknowledge that in 99 times out of 100, the answer is going to be no, yeah, that you then move on to be, which is what\u0026#39;s the least that I could do to accomplish this or to solve this. Yeah, really, I\u0026#39;m a big fan of the. I\u0026#39;m a big fan of, you know, everything fits into the stand. The 80% approach is a great way of thinking about this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eCould I get most of what I\u0026#39;m looking for with 80% of this. And you know the corollary to that 80, 20 and what\u0026#39;s the 20? 20% of this to get 80% of the result. I think that\u0026#39;s a really good. I think thinking paths that opens up for you and then see the magic is is there a? Who could do my minimum? I think that is the ultimate. That\u0026#39;s the. You know we identified it as the. That\u0026#39;s the way to. That\u0026#39;s the way to pray while you\u0026#39;re smoking versus smoking while you\u0026#39;re praying. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ll tell that again because I you told it on our last podcast but I\u0026#39;ve been thinking of all sorts of different applications of the smoking and praying yeah, the way I heard it was gentlemen goes to see the priest and asks him you know, is it, can I smoke? Well, I\u0026#39;m praying, and the pastor or the priest says well, you know, prayer is supposed to be a reverential thing and you should come with reverence. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd so, no, I would say you shouldn\u0026#39;t smoke while you\u0026#39;re, while you\u0026#39;re praying and anyway, and it came back several weeks later and within conversation, was asked go father, when should I pray? And the father says well, the Bible says you should pray without ceasing, should be in constant prayer and communion. And he says, so, should I pray while I\u0026#39;m gardening? Because, yes, being in nature and being with being present, you should definitely pray. Should I pray while I\u0026#39;m walking? Well, yes, you should pray while you\u0026#39;re walking. Can I pray while I\u0026#39;m smoking? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s so funny simple syntax change that gets you to the outcome completely different than when you presented. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s a totally contextual yeah it\u0026#39;s a totally contextual change, and so, going back to the three questions, so the first one is the way I can solve this, by doing nothing. If there\u0026#39;s something you have to do, then what\u0026#39;s the least you have to do. And if there\u0026#39;s a least that you have to do. Is there someone who can do your least for you, with the result that you\u0026#39;re solving the problem by doing nothing? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah but it\u0026#39;s an interesting thing. Well, what\u0026#39;s changed in your mind? I mean, when you put the three questions together, because this really starts with a conversation that created the entire podcast series that we\u0026#39;ve been doing for quite a long time? We\u0026#39;ve done quite a number of years We\u0026#39;ve done I think this is. The total is about 215. So this is episode 215 of our never-ending conversations, but it originally came back from my appealing. I just dropped a line when we were at a restaurant, los Select in Toronto and I said you know, I\u0026#39;ve been thinking about procrastination, and procrastination is an avoidance of something that really you\u0026#39;re exhibiting. You\u0026#39;re actually exhibiting wisdom because you know from your entire history of what works and doesn\u0026#39;t seem to be working. The goal you have here, when you say this needs to be done, and you say, well, how am I going to do that? Well, the goal is an appropriate thing, it\u0026#39;s exciting, it motivates you know it motivates some kind of action. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s just that you\u0026#39;re not the one who\u0026#39;s supposed to actually be doing the thing that you want. So it relates directly back to procrastination. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think, I think that it\u0026#39;s in the same family, same root, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s a sense of family resemblance Exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, so I\u0026#39;ll tell you the evolution of my thinking around. It is, you know, lillian is coming by today, lillian my assistant, and so I mentioned to you that one of the ways that I\u0026#39;ve been kind of applying this thinking is in my eating, in my meals. And you know I went to the process of with Jay Virgin, you know, we kind of outlined some great meal choices, 10 kind of power meals for me that are available here in Winterhaven through Grubhub and Uber Eats to be delivered. And I discovered the pre-arranged delivery you can arrange, you know, up to four days ahead that they will deliver at certain times. And so I\u0026#39;ve taken that was cut to the point of if I take that, if I want to eat great meals, is there any way I could do nothing about this? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWell, there\u0026#39;s not really any way because you have to arrange and eat the meals right. So what\u0026#39;s the least that I could do and that led me to the pre-arranged things in combination of those meals, and factor my factor 75, that I\u0026#39;ve got some meals that arrive at my house once a week and they\u0026#39;re very easy. They just, you know, require a couple of minutes to eat up, but they\u0026#39;re perfectly portioned, already done, and delicious and nutritious and ready to go. And so my next level, thinking of this now from spurred from our conversation this week at in our FreeZone workshop, was to think okay, can I, is there a way I could have my portion of this done by someone? And so Lillian and I are going to experiment this week with her pre-arranging the meals to be to arrive at 12 o\u0026#39;clock and six o\u0026#39;clock, so mainly the 12 o\u0026#39;clock one that I that needs to arrive, because typically I use, I do, the factor meal for dinner. But that\u0026#39;s going to be the experiment this week is here\u0026#39;s the 10 meals. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t really care. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t really care which one it is, but let\u0026#39;s rotate through them and at 12 o\u0026#39;clock something delicious will arrive at my doorstep without me having to do anything but eat the meal and I think that\u0026#39;s, I think that\u0026#39;s going to be my workaround for not having to, you know, really not having to do anything but eat. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So does the? You have the 12 o\u0026#39;clock meal and the six o\u0026#39;clock meal. Are they different every day? Well, you got a map. If you just are talking about different combinations of two, and you basically have 20 things to work with, the combinations are in the thousands. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, that\u0026#39;s exactly right. I think that\u0026#39;s true. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd it doesn\u0026#39;t really it doesn\u0026#39;t. There\u0026#39;s no duds. You know I order, like the. I order six meals from Factor. So there\u0026#39;s six days of the. You know six of those meal options I order from Factor and there\u0026#39;s usually 30 plus meals to choose from. So I do have some favorite ones that and sometimes they\u0026#39;re different and each week there are 30, but there\u0026#39;s probably they probably rotate in you know several different ones Like yeah, so I\u0026#39;ll see which ones I really which ones I like, and I may even be able to with a little bit of coaching. Thank you for reminding me of that. Then I\u0026#39;m going to look at that and see there\u0026#39;s only so many variations. I\u0026#39;ll just tell Lillian which factor ones I don\u0026#39;t like. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but it\u0026#39;s enormous the number of combinations because you\u0026#39;re and there\u0026#39;s actually, if you go on the internet, there\u0026#39;s things that\u0026#39;ll give you the different combinations. Like it\u0026#39;ll give the different numbers you know, and it\u0026#39;s a lot, it\u0026#39;s really. It\u0026#39;s really. I\u0026#39;m not sure it\u0026#39;s over a thousand, but it\u0026#39;s certainly in the hundreds. You know which. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m very excited about the. So I\u0026#39;m very excited about that possibility, you know, because that\u0026#39;s going to free up and I think there\u0026#39;s something you know it\u0026#39;s a great analog for everything. The next thing I\u0026#39;ve been doing is taking that and applying it to my content creation. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And I was just this morning going through the process of, you know, really getting to the point of what my, what is my core thing that I really like to do. So I\u0026#39;ll say I\u0026#39;ll talk a little bit more about that, but let\u0026#39;s explore what you were saying. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, let\u0026#39;s go you know the interesting thing about bringing Lillian into the, you know, into the process we have a caterer who caters the meals for our workshops. So then, they could say 18 or 19 years. You know, and yeah, and my rule is any meal for the catering can be you can. You know, you can make the meals for the clients anything you want to think, but there has to be chicken, turkey chili, chicken chili. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eRight, right Then there has to be some kind of coleslaw and there should be some parmesan cheese, right? So my variation from day to day is which do I put in the bowl? First the parmesan cheese, the chili or the coleslaw, regardless of what else is on the food line? But then he makes our meals for Babzame at home, and this is lunches and dinners the same setup that you have, and it\u0026#39;s really interesting because there\u0026#39;s about it probably rotates. The salads have a variation, maybe three or four different kinds of salads, like. What\u0026#39;s really interesting is the entrees, and they could vary. Let\u0026#39;s say, there\u0026#39;s 12 variations, 12 variations, and I never know what\u0026#39;s coming for today, tomorrow or the next day. So something familiar, something we like, something we\u0026#39;ve had before, and then every once in a while he throws in a new one, right? So my sense, with Lillian doing the ordering it adds a little bit of surprise. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, a little surprise, because you\u0026#39;re saying, yeah, I wonder what\u0026#39;s going to show up today. Yeah, you know, and it won\u0026#39;t be the same as yesterday and it won\u0026#39;t be the same as tomorrow. Right, and so I think it adds a little variety to certainty. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e What it removes is discretion. It removes variation and room for you know if it\u0026#39;s all within this band. You get variety, but it\u0026#39;s all from an approved playlist. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, yeah, On a completely different, on a completely different, a completely different dimension. The way my year works. I don\u0026#39;t like scheduling. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, I don\u0026#39;t like being responsible for scheduling. I don\u0026#39;t want to be responsible for other people scheduling, so I work, and I\u0026#39;ve worked with a series of managers who do the various activities and my, you know really great EA Echamiller. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And so, if you look at my entire year, I have 210 work days. Okay, so let\u0026#39;s just talk about the work days 200. I have 100 and I have let me just think this 100, 250. 250, 250, 250. And 210 work days, which include both focus days and buffer days. Yeah, and 155 free days 155 free days, which adds up to 365. This year I\u0026#39;ve got a sort of an anxious decision to make because there\u0026#39;s one extra day. I\u0026#39;m feeling the I\u0026#39;m feeling the pressure. I\u0026#39;m feeling the pressure that extra day in February. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI\u0026#39;m oh geez. You know what will I do with it. You know it\u0026#39;s eating me. It\u0026#39;s eating me, dean. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you\u0026#39;re going to be, is that? Are you going to be in Palm Beach then? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Geez, I don\u0026#39;t know. You know because I\u0026#39;m told where to show up. What is? The date of Palm Beach. You know, you know you\u0026#39;re defeating me. I\u0026#39;m sorry, I\u0026#39;m sorry. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah, but I will be told when to go. You will be in Palm Beach, dan, of course. So, no for the summit. That\u0026#39;s what I mean. I mean I will be in Palm Beach for that extra day. Well, 29th is when the extra day is I mean the extra. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e There\u0026#39;s an extra day in February but the truth is 366 days in the year. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So you know, I understand. That\u0026#39;s the symmetry, the elegance of it being that February. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that\u0026#39;s taken care of them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We can have a super happy fun day. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah. It\u0026#39;s a day when I\u0026#39;m responsible for nothing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think we should see if we can work to do that together that day. That would be a very nice day. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah Well see, just by expressing the problem life, I\u0026#39;ve solved it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. I think, that\u0026#39;s probably a great idea. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Is there any who can do my least effort here? You did it for me. So thank you very much, yeah, anyway, but the whole point is, my whole year looks like this it\u0026#39;s all scheduled by other people, and so I have a right of refusal on this, and I have a right of free arrangement. My whole schedule from January 1st to the end of December is scheduled, and then there\u0026#39;s free spaces. Every focus day has some free space in it. Every buffer day has free space in it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then as far as the free days go, it doesn\u0026#39;t specify too much of the activities, except things that have to be scheduled ahead of time things that have to be chosen ahead of time, like dinner engagements, but that\u0026#39;s all done. I mean that\u0026#39;s all done. So what would happen in Toronto? I\u0026#39;d be in the cottage. I wouldn\u0026#39;t be in Chicago, because Chicago is strictly a work trip and everything We\u0026#39;ll be down in Palm Beach. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt won\u0026#39;t be just for the conference. We\u0026#39;ll have a day before and a day after, and going to Phoenix next week, I\u0026#39;m going to Argentina the next week and everything but everything that needs to be scheduled ahead of time is scheduled by someone else, arranged by someone else, so it allows me just to show up, but all these scheduled things are what I\u0026#39;ve said, that I want to do, or together, babs and I want to do. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then somebody else works out the scheduling and the arrangements and everything that\u0026#39;s needed, putting transportation together, and it just allows me to move from day to day without the pressure of indecision. Have I scheduled that? And I can\u0026#39;t believe the number of people who are incredibly successful who are still scheduling their own things. I just can\u0026#39;t believe. Why are you doing this? Why are you doing this at this point? And they say, well, I don\u0026#39;t like someone else telling me what to do. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I says they\u0026#39;re not telling you what to do. They\u0026#39;re saying this is what you wanted to do and we made the arrangement for you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, exactly Great. I mean that\u0026#39;s really. I\u0026#39;m laughing, dan, but for years that\u0026#39;s been me. I mean I\u0026#39;ve been resistant to scheduling my take on. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean it was right in my declaration of independence, kind of thing my freedom charter is my number one way of defining success has been I wake up every day and say what would I like to do today. I realize now that I\u0026#39;ve missed out on a lot, because it could be so much better if I were to just change one word is I wake up every day and say what would I like to do tomorrow. The future. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, that\u0026#39;s really, that\u0026#39;s the better, that\u0026#39;s the real freedom. Yeah, you just changed smoking and praying. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, that\u0026#39;s exactly what. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI did, dan is because you\u0026#39;re limited by what you can arrange. When your choice is today, when you\u0026#39;re waking up and saying what would I like to do today, you\u0026#39;re limited by what\u0026#39;s available for the day, whereas if I say what would I like to do tomorrow, and tomorrow being an operative word for not today but in the future, what could I arrange today? That\u0026#39;s really you know what it\u0026#39;s the difference, dan. It\u0026#39;s the difference between having conversation like this six weeks before February 29 and coming to the conclusion that, hey, it\u0026#39;s a possibility that we can have a super happy, fun day and maybe we can make that happen for us. But if I were to wait until February 29 and wake up and say, what would I like to do? That I\u0026#39;d like to spend the day with Dan, I were to call you on any one of those days and say, hey, what are you doing today? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe odds of us being able to spend that day together are slim to none. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah, you mentioned your declaration of independence. But I said, if you\u0026#39;re severely constrained by the lateness of your, you know, identifying something and getting ready for it, it\u0026#39;s really not a great life. It certainly doesn\u0026#39;t sound like liberty and it doesn\u0026#39;t sound to me like you can pursue happiness. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s the truth. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s really. I mean. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s an interesting thing and, as you know from previous conversations and that I was bound in my late teenagers that I was going to go into theater, okay, and I\u0026#39;ll say I dabbled with it for about five years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know I actually was involved in the theater at, you know, an amateur level. I was involved with it but you know, I was in maybe 10 productions and one role or another. And the big thing that you begin to realize by the entertainment world is that people become stars. And I\u0026#39;m going to say two factors are here. They become stars because they are increasingly freed up from doing anything except entertain you know they\u0026#39;re completely afraid of. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I\u0026#39;ll say the other factor the reason they want to be a star is because they don\u0026#39;t have to do anything except entertain. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo there\u0026#39;s both an effect and a cause there, but they\u0026#39;re exactly the same. They\u0026#39;re motivated not to have to do that. And I was reading once about, you know, moving in baseball from the minor leagues to the major leagues the top minor league is a huge jump to the major leagues and I consider sports a form of entertainment, so I\u0026#39;m relating it back to the same conversation. Okay, and the. I remember the shortstop, you know, and there was a year when about 12, 12 shorts in the major leagues came from the same town in the Dominican Republic and it\u0026#39;s apparently short. It\u0026#39;s the world center of major league shortstops. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, world head club, uh-huh. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And you know, through a translator, because he doesn\u0026#39;t speak English through a you know an interviewer asked him what do you notice, the biggest difference, biggest difference of being in the major leagues? And he said I don\u0026#39;t have to wash my own laundry. He said I don\u0026#39;t have to carry my own bags. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I love that you know it was something, something a very similar conversation with someone this week who was I talking to about this I think I was talking more, I was having a conversation with Taki about that this week that thinking about, you know, pro sports like thinking about the athletes and the you know, thinking about the structure of the NFL, for instance, if I were an NFL quarterback, that there\u0026#39;s very little that an NFL quarterback has to do other than bring themselves to be to perform on the day, right, that there\u0026#39;s all of the everything else. Talk about, you know not having to do the carry your own bag or wash your laundry or anything like that. There\u0026#39;s a very, very structured way of the of an NFL week. It\u0026#39;s broken up into, you know, 16 weeks kind of thing, right as the main thing, and each week starts with a very organized structure and flow to the week where there are free days and focus days and buffer days. Of course Sunday is the big focus day that everybody you\u0026#39;re ready for that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut you know Monday they I saw a you know week in the life of a NFL player and so Monday they watch film and get treatment for you know, their injuries or whatever you know body recovery kind of things. Tuesday is an off day, a free day. Wednesday is right back to practice, and Wednesday, thursday, friday, same Saturday is a travel day if they\u0026#39;re going to you know a new city or whatever. And then Sunday is game day and everything is all 100% organized around them. There\u0026#39;s lots of exoskeleton and lots of scaffolding to keep that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd a lot of hoos, a lot of hoos and mentioning Tataki, like the difference between that and professional tennis or golf even. You know there\u0026#39;s some structure around the tournaments, but the individuals you know you\u0026#39;re responsible for everything. You know it\u0026#39;s all self directed and it\u0026#39;s completely meritocracy. There\u0026#39;s no signing a 10 year max contract in tennis. You have to win every week in order to win. You know, and I thought that\u0026#39;s really. You know, it\u0026#39;s really. I could probably do some therapy about my life choices, of why you know choosing tennis and golf as sports as opposed to continuing with team sports. You know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think the big thing I had a phrase because I actually went to see Frank Sinatra back in, you know back in the 70s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I came up with this line. One of the things you notice about Frank Sinatra right off the bat is Frank Sinatra does not move pianos. Right, Exactly oh that\u0026#39;s so funny, you know he\u0026#39;s got a whole team that comes in the day before sets up everything you know. I mean there\u0026#39;s with a performance like Frank Sinatra there\u0026#39;s literally dozens of people who are specialized, people that handle his whole trip, his whole lodging you know, and everything Great stars, taylor Swift to bring it up to the present moment. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean she\u0026#39;s probably got an army. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e She\u0026#39;s probably got an army of people. You know, and uh 55 trucks to you know to bring the entire you know the entire physical set, the entire physical set, including the technology, and yes, and, and everything else, yeah, and. But you can see the difference to me. I remember Keith Richard Richard\u0026#39;s of the. Is it Richard or Richard, keith? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Richards. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, richard. Keith Richards made a documentary film on Chuck Berry who so many of the 60s you have to remember that the stones started in the 1960s and he made a documentary film on Chuck Berry and it was a bit of. Keith Richards described it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHe says it was a bit of total, almost admiration and worship for the musical skills of Chuck Berry but at the same time almost a sense of disappointment and kind of resentment towards Chuck Berry because he never built any kind of structure around him. Okay, thank you. And so he did this documentary for him that sort of traced him from his very poor, poor beginnings in the St Louis area and you know, and then. But he never. He went big simply because of his talent and the you know, the media for spreading his talent through the airwaves. And he became famous, but he never really took advantage of it. He really took it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know he was playing that county fairs and everything throughout his career. Okay, but he inspired maybe hundreds or thousands of people who became successful in music just because of the sheer wizardry of his. You know his songs, his voice, you know his ability to play a guitar and everything else. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo they did it and there was Bruce Springsteen was saying that he was like an 18 year old or 19 year old and was a, you know, got a really lucky gig at a fair in Pennsylvania county fair or something like that and as backup to Chuck Berry and he was just amazed. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo they all got there about five, six hours. All the musicians got there five or six hours. And you know, four, five, four hours, chuck Berry\u0026#39;s not there. Three hours Chuck Berry\u0026#39;s not there. One hour Chuck Berry\u0026#39;s not there. 20 minutes before the presentation, chuck Berry comes in, ignores the musicians, goes in to see the manager and comes out with a bag that\u0026#39;s got his money in it in cash and then he just starts tuning those instruments. And finally Bruce Springsteen goes up to Chuck Berry and says Mr Berry. He says yes, boy. He says what are we going to play? He says what do we going to play, boy? We\u0026#39;re going to play Chuck Berry music. That was his prep. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That was his prep yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The name of that movie. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I need to watch that because. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, just plug in. Keith Richards, yes, Just his you know documentary on Chuck Berry. He\u0026#39;ll come up with it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut there\u0026#39;s a great scene near the end of the movie where they go back to a theater in St Louis where, when he was growing up, chuck Berry had to sit in the balcony because he was black. It was, you know, wasn\u0026#39;t segregated, that they couldn\u0026#39;t go to the theater, but they had to sit in a certain section where they didn\u0026#39;t have drinking fountains and didn\u0026#39;t really have bathrooms, you know. And then they put on an actual performance in that theater as part of the documentary and it just shows the complete circle of him, starting when he couldn\u0026#39;t be in the main part of the auditorium, certainly couldn\u0026#39;t be on stage, and then being the star, and, but one of the things, they went and visited his home, which he had and this had, you know, his entire life. I think it may have been his parents home, but he had the home and it was pristine. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know it was beautifully kept up, not a, not a, you know, a rundown part of town, but not in a rich part of town either. It was you know sort of a modest house and everything you know, everything was kept up. It was you know, it was nothing rundown about it. And he was just taken through the house and they went to a door and he opened the door and their shelf on both sides were paint cans and paint brushes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd Keith Richards said what\u0026#39;s this? He says well, you know, sometimes I didn\u0026#39;t have gigs all the time, so I was a house painter. He says I paint houses. Wow, he says yeah, but yeah, but you know, that\u0026#39;s in the past. That\u0026#39;s in the past. He says why do you still keep? You know the brushes were fresh, the cans were cans. He says why are you keeping that round and check where? He says well, you never know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, you never know. Wow, I would have to watch this. That sounds fascinating. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I love things like that, so that\u0026#39;s really I think that\u0026#39;ll be a good find. Good Now, I know what I\u0026#39;m in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s just a really, but he didn\u0026#39;t believe in who\u0026#39;s you know he just didn\u0026#39;t believe in who\u0026#39;s you know? Is there a way I can solve this problem with doing nothing. No, well, yeah, is there a? Way of solving the problem of too much fame and success without doing. Without doing anything? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yeah, right, right, right. I mean wow, I mean yeah, I\u0026#39;m fascinated that I haven\u0026#39;t heard about this before. So I almost like I just love that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s a long time ago. I mean, it\u0026#39;s a long time ago. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Maybe something I saw 25 years ago. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I remember it very distinctly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I remember it very distinctly yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So what has your insight been? In now, you know taking this out to the check writers as we say. What has been your experience? The reception of the ABC, thinking. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think it\u0026#39;s a very simple, what could very much be a daily tool, because things are always coming up which are things to be solved you? Know, and I mean so. For example, if you handle three of them today, the amount of time you thought you\u0026#39;re going to have to spend on them has been severely reduced by simply asking the three questions Is there any way I can solve this by doing nothing. What\u0026#39;s the least I have to do, and who could do my least? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWell probably you were thinking that might take five or six hours and it probably takes 30 minutes. Okay, right. You know, it sort of takes 30 minutes, and I find usually the thing that the entrepreneur has to do is they have to communicate clear results for the right person, in other words, clear results to be achieved by the right person, with a clear understanding of why the projects were important and what are the measurable success factors of the project, which we call an impact filter. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I was just going to say. If only there was an easy tool to convey that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e There is one. It\u0026#39;s called the impact filter, but if you handle that, then you\u0026#39;ve watched yourself probably four or five hours today which gives you time now to prepare for tomorrow. Okay. So you want to get yourself that you\u0026#39;re not looking at today\u0026#39;s growth problems. You\u0026#39;re looking at tomorrow\u0026#39;s growth problems, yes, okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd you know, and what I\u0026#39;ve noticed with me is then that day I can put the. You know, this is a newly created tool, but before what I do is I can say okay, all clear and communicated about tomorrow, then I can move it another day in the future. And I keep buying myself days in the future by using this tool. I mean this has just occurred to me, you know, since I have one, as I created the tool for myself. And if it worked for myself, then there\u0026#39;s a chance it\u0026#39;ll work for the entrepreneurs. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut then I have a full quarter now behind me of it working with the entrepreneurs and then I just move it more and more into the future. But I think it\u0026#39;s you know, it\u0026#39;ll already be in the client website for their tool inventory so that they\u0026#39;ll be able to do it. But if you just had a habit of always the day before you\u0026#39;re solving tomorrow\u0026#39;s problems. I like that, that\u0026#39;s when that really works over 25 years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s the consistency thing. Right is spending some time. What would I like to do tomorrow, and tomorrow being the operative for in the future? Yeah, I\u0026#39;ve been. I\u0026#39;ve been constantly evolving and experimenting on myself with different ways of organizing things like that, and you know, the gotten down to the plank, the pixel, the minimum unit of time being the 10 minute, the 10 minute unit where we have 110 minute units in a day, basically to up, deploy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I\u0026#39;ve been following those hundreds all the way up right like so. 100 minutes is basically to 50 minute focus finders, which is the thing I have the most, that\u0026#39;s, the most immediate control over right what am I doing in the next minutes about about this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And then the 100, 100 hours is basically 8am Monday morning till noon on Friday, is basically 100 hours of time linearly. And that, you know, if I take that NFL type of structure of week, if you\u0026#39;re looking at them that way, that\u0026#39;s a big, that\u0026#39;s a nice Focus. You know that that feels like that. And then a hundred days is Essentially a quarter, you know, looking at the things, with some little buffer in between them, you know, like giving room for some free days and things Aside, but, and a hundred weeks is really you can do almost anything in a hundred weeks, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And so, yeah, I think that\u0026#39;s the thing is I. I don\u0026#39;t use my Apple watch for a lot of things, but the one thing I do is the timer and you know they have a timer app and my my favorite is 30 minutes you know, 30 minutes and and in other words, something may happen that requires a couple hours. I simply say what\u0026#39;s going to get done over the next 30 minutes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, okay, and the thing that I find is true that if I didn\u0026#39;t have that 30 minutes, when I look at what did get done over 30 minutes because I had the 30 minute framework, I Always get much more done in the 30 minutes, 30 minutes. Then I thought or I get 30 minutes worth of work done in 20 minutes. But if I didn\u0026#39;t have the framework and it would always take me much, much more time, right because, I would take score, a score of commercial breaks. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I know, and that\u0026#39;s exactly true, right, like I do exactly the same thing. I\u0026#39;ve been thinking about what I really do, like my thing is running things through. I\u0026#39;ve been calling it the Deenatron 3000 that I\u0026#39;ve got the brain. There that I can operate right and yeah, if I treat it like a wood chipper, that I\u0026#39;ve got to feed stuff into it. They have it working. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut I\u0026#39;ve got a. But the thing is to pile up. You know, like when I look at the things is to have the hopper loaded up with sequential. What is the? What are the next things that I\u0026#39;m going to do on that Stuff? You know, the 10 hours thing, what are the next 10 hours about? Because I noticed that the Deenatron 3000 doesn\u0026#39;t really care what it\u0026#39;s working on. It is very open to Suggestion, right, and that\u0026#39;s why I would say that jumps yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I would just say that\u0026#39;s true about the human brain and yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Generally as long as the brain really doesn\u0026#39;t get. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The brain wants to work on something and it does really care what it is. Yeah, it could be good or it could be bad. It does not care. It makes no moral distinctions. It makes you know. You know it Work on bad things just as with as much enthusiasm as working on good things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;ll work on one thing the same way. It\u0026#39;ll work on everything you know and if you\u0026#39;re putting on the, you know, putting on some direction of it, feeding in, setting up a context for what it is that\u0026#39;s Happening this hour, yeah, really, or this 30 minutes, that\u0026#39;s, yeah. I think it\u0026#39;s just adding, you know, a contextual Management layer in a way. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you know, it\u0026#39;s like having not and then checking out if you\u0026#39;re actually a manager. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, right exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m not a manager. I\u0026#39;m not either. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m not a man manager, and you\u0026#39;re not either you know I have to delegate Management, I mean. And the other thing is memory you know I delegate memory and I have. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI always have someone with me. I remember there was a famous platform speaker, I think in the 90s, okay, and we were at Genius. We remain platform at genius. I\u0026#39;m pretty sure it was genius. It couldn\u0026#39;t been the 90s, because genius didn\u0026#39;t exist, it was some other. No, I think it was a big you know industry Conference and I was and I was on. I had been on before lunch and this guy joined me at lunch and and he was talking. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, we should really work together and and so I was interested, you know, interested in the conversation, anything you know. Usually when somebody says we should work Together, usually means that he\u0026#39;d like me to work for him, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIn any way, and so I just given my talk and I had my team of I didn\u0026#39;t have team members, but there were clients Strategic coach clients at lunch with me and he was talking away and we were chatting everything and then all at once he looks at his watch and he says, oh my god, I\u0026#39;m on in three minutes I\u0026#39;m. And he says, here, I just will hand us a bill. He don\u0026#39;t have to rake on a rush dog. And this guy was more famous than I was, I mean, as a platform speaker. He was times more famous than I was, but I had spoken in the morning at like 11 o\u0026#39;clock. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI had had an hour and Someone came and got me at 9 o\u0026#39;clock and took me backstage and set there, you know. And we sat there and and I had three team members. I never traveled without three team members. Yeah, and the team members take care of arrangements and this person does that, you know, but I would never ever be. You know, just arriving. You know, just arriving, checkberry style. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI would never just be arriving, I would already be there, I would already matter of fact, what I\u0026#39;d like to do with speeches is go out and talk to the members of the audience, because I Pick up. Q I pick up. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Q\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, it\u0026#39;s like Jay Leno who, if you got there. He was already there two hours ahead of time and he was chatting with you know, and he was just picking up material. Do you know what? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Sorry but go ahead. I was gonna say, just on a similar thing, tony Robbins, who we were playing golf this is maybe ten years ago now, almost playing golf one day we\u0026#39;re talking about I know I\u0026#39;m being successful when my declaration of it, we\u0026#39;re talking about those things that you know, the number one thing, when I, you know, wake up every day and say what would I like to do the day, and Tony, when we were talking about it, he looked at me and he said dude, I don\u0026#39;t have one of those days till March, and this was January, right, and his whole thing was a very different. He had that. He definitely had a what would I like to do tomorrow Approach to his life, because even in playing golf we were gonna. We were filming some video things for a program he was doing. So he arrived at my country club you know, two SUVs deep to six people and that you know assistants with assistants and the camera guys in the sound guy in the body, body guards. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, the whole thing, and that is true, like I played golf with him in in In Fort Lauderdale he was done in Palm Beach, but I played golf with him and literally they arranged the, they arranged the tee time ahead of and behind and have a, you know, to Security ahead and behind that are following the, just following, you know, a hundred yards behind us at all times. Very funny, right by not just keeping these buffers around around whatever, a very different approach yeah it\u0026#39;s whatever system he\u0026#39;s required. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But you know, I don\u0026#39;t know. My feeling is timing and scheduling is idiotic and cratic. It\u0026#39;s completely All in individual how an individual, what story they tell about their past and what story they\u0026#39;re telling about their future. And that determines what the structure of today looks like that. So it\u0026#39;s a structure and my, my sense is I don\u0026#39;t, I never like being rushed. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, I always want to be. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I always want to be prepared. Yeah and I don\u0026#39;t like sudden surprises. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I really don\u0026#39;t like sudden surprises and therefore, in order to Get that Structure around me, I give this, that same right, to all the people who work with me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey don\u0026#39;t have to rush. There\u0026#39;ll be lots of preparation before him. Then there\u0026#39;ll be no surprises. It\u0026#39;s very smooth, it\u0026#39;s very calm. Everybody gets just to, gets to focus and you know, focus on what they\u0026#39;re doing and then this just floats through time. This little system, you know, flows through time. Now, yeah, I deliberately played such a low key person throughout my career that I don\u0026#39;t need security. Yeah yeah, yeah, and my, my sense of the sense of success Be as successful and well known as you can without requiring a security person. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, yes, yeah. Warren versus Mark Zuckerberg. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, Warren Buffett, you know he flies by himself. He flies by himself. You know he\u0026#39;s just got his briefcase because he comes in and goes out the same day. And you know he\u0026#39;s got a private jet and he gets picked up my limousine company is actually his limousine company when he comes into Toronto and he wants to sit in the front seat with the driver and he just gets to the driver all day and when he arrives at a place or someone\u0026#39;s standing, you know they\u0026#39;re standing on the curb, you know, yeah, on the sidewalk, and they take him in and he comes out, and you know pretty. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, pretty much on time, and then he goes home. You know, you know he has his lunch with whoever and then goes home. Mark Zuckerberg has 24-hour security and the number of people involved. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eFor him, his family and his chief officers is like 70. He\u0026#39;s got like 70. He\u0026#39;s got secret escape rooms, he\u0026#39;s got tunnels and you know, and you know, I think, what your structure around you reflects, whether you think it\u0026#39;s a safe world or a dangerous world. I think that\u0026#39;s great. I think it\u0026#39;s a safe world as far as I\u0026#39;m concerned. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I know it\u0026#39;s dangerous for others, but I don\u0026#39;t feel, I don\u0026#39;t feel, or I stay away from places that are dangerous. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eRight yeah, it\u0026#39;s like somebody gets Arrested in Russia and then you know America\u0026#39;s got this thing is. You know that the country will come to your rescue one way or another. And I said why are you in Russia? What? Why are you even visiting there? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I went right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah or China. I wouldn\u0026#39;t go to China, you know, I would even go there you know it\u0026#39;s like the joke about that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know what my yeah, I heard about these guys that were, you know, died in a base jumping Accident. Right, and I said that\u0026#39;s this one thing. I know with certainty that my tombstone will never say Died in a terrible base jumping accident. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, what are those flying suits that people right? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e exactly yes, is that base jump? That\u0026#39;s what I was talking about and I think it is called. You know, I don\u0026#39;t know what it is, but the human flying suits, but that\u0026#39;s what they do. They jump off they jump off a cliff and, basically, just like those, they float, they\u0026#39;ve got a parachute. They\u0026#39;ve got a parachute yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and you know, I\u0026#39;ve seen videos of the ones where it worked. Yeah, yes exactly. They don\u0026#39;t show you. They don\u0026#39;t show you the other ones. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s exactly right. Yeah, why are you doing this? Yeah? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m never gonna die in a park accident. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but I think it\u0026#39;s, you know, different nervous system. You know, I think every nervous system is unique, you know, yeah, yeah, who\u0026#39;s the guy who did in Yosemite Park there was a. It won the Academy Award and he did it with no ropes, you know, he just had his hands and feet. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, Linda Well. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Linda, now that\u0026#39;s a whole family. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah right rope workers. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, this is the guy. He\u0026#39;s a free climber. Oh, okay, right, right, and they all capitan is just a sheer cliff from top to bottom. You know, yeah, I think it\u0026#39;s a couple thousand feet and anyway, and it usually takes climbers where they\u0026#39;re using, you know, they\u0026#39;re using the things that they drive into the rock and then they put the, you know, and they usually takes them A day and a half to do it, not you know, which requires that they stay overnight. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey have to sleep right and that\u0026#39;s you know and everything else. I think he did it top to bottom in about two and a half hours yeah. I just thought wow and he had a film crew at the bottom and at the top and that they were filming the film that became the you know the free solo. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Was that what that was? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I don\u0026#39;t know. I don\u0026#39;t know what, anyway, but he just went to top to bottom, okay, and her bottom to top and in a Insanely short period of time. But he told the film crew that they wouldn\u0026#39;t get any money. He said I am, you\u0026#39;re only getting half the money and you won\u0026#39;t get the other half, that if I fall and kill myself you don\u0026#39;t catch it on film. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWow you know, and they\u0026#39;re kind of leaning out at the top. You know they have, you know they have wires in that that keep them safe, which requires a certain you know a certain amount of courage itself to do that the people at the top but thinking that the guy bait might fall. And yeah, everything you know and everything but different nervous system. I don\u0026#39;t have that nervous system. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Me neither, me neither. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, we covered a lot of territory today. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We really did yeah. There\u0026#39;s a lot of nervous. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e There\u0026#39;s a lot of nervous systems that couldn\u0026#39;t do what we\u0026#39;re doing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Where we go, exactly yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, what\u0026#39;s the script here Script it\u0026#39;s listening to. It\u0026#39;s listening to what he says next. That\u0026#39;s so funny. Well, what are you gonna say next? I don\u0026#39;t know until he says it right, we know we\u0026#39;re gonna start with. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Welcome to Cloudlandia. Yeah yeah, anyway very enjoyable. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Always next week. I\u0026#39;m in just arriving in Argentina, so to be the weekend after yeah, I saw that we got a email from. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I love that, you know. Becca and Lillian, just keep us on Triad ever. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I just see it on. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t even have to put the Podcasts with Dan on the calendar. What we put on the calendar is no podcast with Dan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s the yeah, there\u0026#39;s more uncertainty to that, isn\u0026#39;t? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e there, that\u0026#39;s exactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah well. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m excited about the possibility of the 29th. And oh, okay that present, but I think that would be fantastic. Okay, okay, thank you, Bye, thanks Bye. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In today's episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, Dan and I discuss the paradox of achieving more through minimal effort. Exploring concepts like the 'Crucial ABC Questions' and the 80/20 rule, we uncover how sometimes the best approach is to simply stand still—how inaction itself can be a powerful strategy. \r\n\r\nWe share insights into the transformative nature of strategic scheduling and how it can liberate our lives from daily logistical burdens. By entrusting details to others and focusing only on meaningful tasks, forward-thinking time management elevates our experience and enables richer collaborations. \r\n\r\nTouching on varied successes, we reflect on the diverse challenges public figures face and the support networks shaping their approaches. \r\n","date_published":"2024-04-16T10:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/29513d37-1eb3-454e-9d2c-6fffcd7776b9.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":40674429,"duration_in_seconds":3386}]},{"id":"c5859e97-7311-4356-9b35-4d783ffffb6a","title":"Ep124: Dissecting the Fabric of Time, Commerce, and Personal Growth","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/124","content_text":"\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\n\n\nWe discuss the chaotic nature of daylight savings time, including its agricultural origins and debate over its current usefulness.\nWe examine the historical development of measurement systems, particularly the metric and imperial systems, and their impact on cultural standards.\nI share personal anecdotes about adapting to metric measurements in Canada and look forward to a trip related to a stem cell project in Buenos Aires.\nWe delve into the dynamics of capitalism and intellectual property, using Amazon's business practices as an example of market trend capitalization.\nWe recount war stories from the frontlines of commerce and highlight the significance of trademarks in protecting intellectual property against knockoffs.\nPeter Zeihan joins us to provide a macroscopic view of global events and dissects the interconnected fabric of our world.\nWe explore the influence of geography on politics, discussing factors such as Florida's appeal for real estate and the impact of political strategies on elections.\nWe chart a course through personal development by focusing on the transformative power of daily habits and the pursuit of personal growth.\nI detail my health journey and the benefits of mentorship, high-protein diets, and habit stacking, as well as the challenges of technological transitions.\nWe emphasize the neutral nature of habits and the importance of accountability in crafting disciplined routines for a life well-lived.\n\n \n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\n\nDean: Hello there, mr Sullivan, mr Jackson. You know, your Loudland announcer, who welcomes us to the call, always promises there's going to be others, but there never is. There's just one, just us. \n\nDan: We're waiting for others to join. I am other. \n\nDean: We're waiting for others to catch up. \n\nDan: That's exactly right. \n\nDean: Well, how? \n\nDan: did you? How do you feel you're an hour short? Yeah, I don't like this. \n\nDean: I've been confused about five times so far today. \n\nDan: Okay. \n\nDean: Part of the reason is my watch and my cell phone are in another time zone and that's reflected. \n\nDan: My computer is still in Toronto. Oh, my goodness, that's so funny. Are you in Chicago right now? Oh, got it Okay. \n\nDean: Yeah, it's a little F you from winter, you know you get this little kick. \n\nDan: Okay, I'll leave, but I'm taking an hour with me. \n\nDean: I mean, I mean it's go ahead. \n\nDan: I was gonna say we can't complain because we got an extra day this year. We got 24 extra hours, so I guess we deducted it from that surplus. \n\nDean: But that's in the past and that is, in the past, yeah, that's right, you know, I haven't really studied where that came from, but I think it has to do with farming Daylight savings. \n\nDan: Yeah, I think it was to absolutely to extend harvest times in the summer. You know, work more. Yeah, I thought we were trying to get rid of it. We, as a you know that's the inclusive version of they thought they were trying, we try to try to get rid of it. \n\nDean: Yeah, no, I haven't. I haven't really devoted an hour and a minute of time to that particular project. \n\nDan: I know, Florida is. I know Florida is like Arizona is considering staying on daylight savings time at all times and not yeah, and I think there were a lot of states that were looking to do that and I thought, oh boy, what a, what a mess that would be. It's already enough of a nuisance that Arizona doesn't participate. \n\nDean: You know I would vote for keeping it. Yeah you know why? \n\nDan: Because it's quirky, it is a little bit quirky, and you know what for me in? \n\nDean: Florida and I like quirkiness and other people, so why wouldn't I like quirky in the time system? \n\nDan: Well, you know, it's the only way that I mark the season changes. That for me is like the transition into, you know, spring, summer, and then I know, when we get to to light savings, we get fall and winter. That's the only thing. It gets darker earlier. \n\nDean: Yeah, it's really interesting because when this is, I'm changing the context here, but it has to do with weights and measurements. You know the metric system is a French creation. It was created, I think, during Napoleon's reign and you know he tried to standardize in uniform, make Europe uniform, because he wanted to be emperor of Europe, you know, then emperor of the world. You know folks like him sort of have those type of ambitions and so up until then, you know you had what is commonly called the imperial system of measurements in in the UK, great Britain. \n\nYou know pounds and inches and miles, you know and you know, and Fahrenheit, you know, was the measure measured. And then you know, europe adapted the metric system. And but once Brexit happened. This is in 2016, the merchants who were permitted to go back to the imperial system for weights in stores oh wow, growth grocery stores. But the bureaucrats who run the you know who run the system in Britain. \n\nDan: So you have sort of. \n\nDean: I think it's a bit of an entrepreneurial versus bureaucratic standoff. And so it's a real mishmash in Great Britain now, and I kind of like that, because almost everything else about Great Britain is a mishmash. \n\nDan: I think that's so funny. You know, it's like the. \n\nDean: I like mishmashes. My favorite kind of food is a mishmash. \n\nDan: There was a Saturday Night Live skit where the they were, you know, they were founding settlers, founding the United States and deciding, you know, the guy was saying how we would adopt a system of measurements. That would be, you know, there'd be one foot, is the thing, and they'll be three feet in a yard and the whole, you know, just made no sense because the metric system is such an easier system. You know how many feet in a mile. And they were saying nobody knows you know why it'll? \n\nDean: you know why it'll never happen in the United States? Because of sports. Oh yeah, 100 yards for football 100 yards, a 350 foot home run, seven foot center. Yeah, exactly Right. \n\nDan: Right, Right yeah but in Toronto. \n\nDean: Well, they try to impose it on the sports reporting in Toronto, but nobody pays any attention to it. No, you know. \n\nDan: I mean. \n\nDean: I've never switched over. \n\nDan: I've been in Toronto for 53 years, 1973, I think, is when the system international started. So you know, my first grade was Imperial, second grade was Si, so we started learning, you know, metrics and second grade, but I still think in Imperial I mean, it's so funny, we're always doing the conversion you know, yeah, and it's especially scary when it comes to temperature, because zero really means something in Fahrenheit, but it's, you know, it's sort of wishy washy and metric. \n\nDean: Zero is like 32, 32 degrees. Yeah right, Exactly yeah, 32 degrees. The only place where it meets is 40 degrees minus 40 degrees. \n\nDan: So it's exactly the same. \n\nDean: Yeah, but who wants to have that experience? \n\nDan: Oh man, that's so funny. So when is your next Buenos Aires? \n\nDean: trip. It'll be Saturday, two weeks, so two weeks from yesterday. From yesterday and this is our fourth, and this may be then the last quick trip. And it'll probably be six months. Six months Now, we'll do six months and then probably, depending on how it shows up, six months from now. I'm talking about stem cell here stem cell treatments. And how are you feeling? \n\nDan: Are you starting to notice the difference? \n\nDean: I'm feeling great. Yeah, the biggest thing is there's still soreness in my knee. And but I feel very confident about it. You know, I mean before there was soreness in my knee and I wasn't feeling confident because, barring any kind of therapy, it was going to get more sore in the future and I have definite confidence that'll be less and less until the soreness disappears, you know because, the cartilage is definitely regrowing. \n\nDan: I was going to say is there evidence Like do they quantitatively measure the? Yeah, you do it with an. \n\nDean: MRI. The MRI can show what it was, and what I learned is that it doesn't layer from bottom to top like the new cartilage. This is, you know, exactly my cartilage that I lost in through an operation, through an accident, in an operation in 1975, so long time ago. And so in those days they just, you know, it was broken, it was torn, so they cut it out, you know don't need anymore. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they would glue it back together now they have a surgical clue now that they could glue it back together, but the but what it does, it comes in vertically. \n\nSo it's this constant extension, like it's you know, it's a half of an inch, and then it's an inch. Yeah and it's very interesting how it comes in. It comes in sideways so it doesn't come in. You know it doesn't come. That you establish a base and then it builds on the base. \n\nDan: Right. \n\nDean: So it's anyway, but I can feel the difference going up and down stairs. That's where my you know my daily measurement is really that more and more I'm walking up and down stairs. Normally. \n\nYeah oh, that's great. But the biggest thing is the brain stuff. Because they have an IV, you can't inject things into the brain, you have to. You know a thing called lymph which create a pathway into your brain. So you have the lymph sites one day and then two days later they put an IV and the cells are actually custom designed for the brain so they, once they get into your blood system, they go automatically through the new passage way that the lymph sites have created and then they go into your brain. But I really noticed in my EEG tests and then neurofeedback program that I'm in that my concentration, my focus, you know, not being distracted is improving enormously. \n\nOh, that's amazing, yeah. \n\nDan: That's awesome. So you've got, for example, we're. \n\nDean: You know we're 13 minutes into the podcast and not once have I forgotten that I'm talking to you. \n\nDan: Hey, there we go. I like that, that's good news. \n\nDean: Yeah, you know, you count your progress where you find it. \n\nDan: Yeah, that's so funny. So I have something for us to look at next for next time. I was talking with someone and they were sharing with me this guy, yanis Verifakis. Do you know him? Have you heard of? \n\nDean: him? Yeah, I think I have heard the name, but I'm trying to think where. \n\nDan: So he's just sent me a video called capitalism has mutated into something worse and he's talking about this. You know cloud. You know cloud migration or whatever, and how those things are, you know, really owning our. Well, I don't know enough to say. I just wanted to ask. I'm wondering if you had heard about him. \n\nBut essentially saying, companies like Amazon, like these big companies, are fiefdoms that control our. You know the way we see things like. You know your Amazon store, for instance, when you go to Amazon, is very different than my Amazon store. You know, based on everything that I all my, all the data that they have about me, kind of thing. You know when it used to be in on the mainland, when you would go to downtown or you'd go to the shop area, you'd have all the stores. Everybody sees the same. Everybody sees the same thing. It's more of an equal landscape sort of thing. But now you know there's advantage in knowing. You know, in having this established. You know data that everybody that's what they really have is access to. You know amazing amounts of data. So this cloud, the cloud, is really changing. Who's winning in the? You know, even in a global sense, but borders and everything don't really matter anymore. It's not about that. I wonder if that kind of resonates with what you know Peter Zion is saying. \n\nDean: But yeah, I think Peter Zion saying exactly the opposite. \n\nDan: Okay, that's why I'm very curious, right Like that's you know yeah, he's saying borders matter more than ever. Okay. \n\nDean: Because of transportation. Okay, so Amazon, you can do anything with Amazon, but it's got to be transported. \n\nDan: Yes. \n\nDean: And transportation is the great constraint you know, and so, for example, one of the problems that Amazon has with crime is traffic congestion in cities. You know so that they're promised that we can deliver it in. You know, if you order this morning, you'll have it by noon. \n\nDan: Yeah, I've had that happen. \n\nDean: If traffic permits. And then there's the labor costs of actually finding drivers that'll do this. You know, for more than just a short period of time. So you always have to be thinking of the labor costs. And yeah so so my sense is yeah, he's of a school. Whoever this man is, I'm suspecting that it's a man. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. \n\nDean: Does he identify? Does he identify as a man, I mean? \n\nDan: yes, I think so. \n\nDean: Okay, anyway, and yeah, it's the same thing. Capitalism doesn't really change. It simply changes the environment in which capitalism is being used, because it's really a methodology for growth. You know capitalism is? You know, first of all, it's about pricing, and Amazon are the great price competitors in the world. I mean that's. They introduced a whole new way that you know, whatever it was, the total cost of getting it to you and the price you had to pay, they could pretty well out compete anyone else. That's capital. \n\nDan: That's capitalism you know, and they're moving property. \n\nDean: You know they're moving property from. You know, actually the Amazon never owns any property. \n\nDan: You know they they're just really, unless they do create or white label or do things themselves, they're pretty robust at that that. That that's been one of the things. That that's been one of the things that they have as an advantage is that they Create their own brand of stuff, that they see things that are, you know, new products or new things that are Selling, and then they create their own version of it or white label their own version of it you know, and it's very interesting yeah. \n\nDean: Yeah, we've had not like a product per se but we've had a continual Conversation with the Amazon because with the three best-selling books that we did with them Hardy, the book comes out on a Monday and by Friday there's another book called who, not how, and it's the summary of who not how and you know you can kind of create a summary of any book now with artificial intelligence in about 10 seconds, you know 10 seconds, and then there. \n\nSo our book will be listed on Kindle and you know. And and then immediately, within a month, you'll have a first one in five days, but in a month, if it's really selling, you might have seven versions of summary of who, not how, and we said, you know this is kind of Toddry, you know we talked to them and we've had about five of them, five or six of them taken down Because it's too close to our stuff, it's almost, you know yeah, but that, and did you register the trademark on who, not how? \n\nYeah, that's and that's where we get them. That's what we get them with, because you can't, you can't, you don't have Exclusive control over a book title. You can have 10 books with with you know. With you know, by the same name, there could be 10 books out there called who. That's how. Right but you can't have been hardy, and what they were doing they had you know. Summary you know who, not how, by Dan Sullivan and Ben Hardy. \n\nWell, that that you're crossing the line there, you know, right, you know, and it's like flies and mosquitoes. You know, you just make sure you have good screens. You know and you make sure you close the door and everything but it's a constant. It's a constant thing but you know, and maybe it does as good. I don't know if it does as good. Somebody buys the summary and then they say hey. I better read the book, you know so. \n\nDan: I don't know but. \n\nDean: But it's no different from knockoff Rolexes in Hong Kong. \n\nDan: Yeah, I see what I'm looking at. The thing now, the one right after it is it's not the how or the what, but the who succeed by surrounding yourself with. \n\nDean: Yeah, I mean that's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but you know it's Babs gets angry at it. I just considered it, as you know, it's like it's mosquito season, you know. Yeah, but I would say capitalism is no different now than it was in In the marketplace of Rome, and but it changes its methods. I mean it changes its presentation. That changes, but this thing about capitalism is changing. Let's create conscious capitalism, let's create humane. There's just capitalism and there's somebody's emotional response to it. \n\nDan: Right, yeah, yeah, that's yeah. \n\nDean: I mean Peter Zion. I mean, I've read so much, peter Zion. I could Sort of tell, you know, one thing we know is that the United States is better at it than any other country. Yeah, it's not universal. \n\nDan: I think it's that like. It's very, it's really interesting. I watched some of his. I watched some of his videos, which I was fine and insightful, and I'm always surprised that you know he gets three or four hundred thousand people a day watching his dispatches. You know they're always it's really well done. He's good at articulating things and it's fascinating to me. \n\nDean: It almost makes you want to go to Colorado too right. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's beautiful, right. I mean it's almost yeah yeah. \n\nDean: He says yeah, I, I'm Very easily communicating to you from thirteen thousand feet Everything which is kind of said you must be really in good shape you know, yeah, so yeah, but he's fairly. He's faster responding than anyone else in the world. An event happens on Tuesday. \n\nDan: And by. \n\nDean: Thursday. He's got an explanation for why it's happening. Yeah he's really remarkable. He's in my lifetime I've never come across anyone like him. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's really like I'm. It's it seems like such a macro level view of things that I'm always. You know I'm kind of fascinated why you're so fascinated with this. Like I mean, when you've read the, the book, you said like seven times or something. \n\nDean: I mean well, his latest book, yeah, seven times complete, yeah, seven times complete. Yeah, and you know, and what I'm looking for is there. \n\nYou know, with anything, when I read them, yeah, is there sort of a deeper level that he doesn't go into, or and so what I did is I just came out with my latest book, which is the great meltdown you know, and then I Explained that wherever you are on the planet, you're constrained by the cost of money, the cost of energy, the cost of labor and cost of transportation and no two places are equal in risk and Relationship to those four constraints and the US is just that keeping those four costs the lowest of Historically. I mean right back to the beginning. They've just been better for all sorts of lucky reasons, mainly because their geography. \n\nDan: The geography is so good. \n\nDean: I mean we talked about Florida, that Florida is proof that God loves. Real estate agents in the state of Florida. Yeah, because you have on the East Coast. You have three, three waterfront. \n\nDan: That's right exactly the ocean side and two intercoastals, and same all the way yeah the same all the way up the Gulf too. \n\nDean: Yeah, the Gulf that goes all the way to Texas. But thank, you and the north of Florida goes all the way to Virginia. I think Virginia or Maryland is still you know, the inner. And what it does is it prevents large storm shroom actually hitting the mainland, because that buffer zone of the inner coastal, you know, just stops big waves, it stops everything. So, yeah, so any anyway. \n\nI mean you don't really have to go into the Atlantic Ocean very much once you start if you're taking a boat trip Private boat trip down the East Coast, if you start at Virginia. \n\nDan: Really go down the intercoastal all the way yeah. Yeah, yeah, started an apple receiver proves that God favors. \n\nDean: Yeah so funny. Yeah but you know, people are always trying to create a standardized global version of reality. That's been happening forever. But those four costs means there can be no standardization because it's I mean, it's different in or it's different where you live than it is in Tampa. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's really interesting. I guess there's regional, like when you think about it's transferable on every level, right, like the whole, because the cost of transportation you know has, you know, the further away, the more remote you are, the more costs to get something to you. And so even if I think now I see kind of the thing that you're talking about, like if you go to a place where the labor costs are lower, perhaps you've got a balance with the cost of transporting the reduced goods that you've done back to where they're going to sell. \n\nSo it all has to balance out. \n\nDean: Yeah, well, I mean you can take the huge migration from New York, you know, from New York state, to Florida right now. \n\nAnd you know people explain it politically and everything. But just compare the four melt costs between you know the cost of money is lower in Florida, the cost of energy is lower in Florida, labor and transportation the costs are lower. And I mean there's a lot of political issues that make things expensive or inexpensive. But you know, I mean that. For example, the court case where Trump was found guilty, you know, two, three weeks ago for something that's an antiquated law from 150 years ago that's never been inflicted on anybody. That in a business negotiation he said his company was worth 1.2 billion and it turned out it was only 800 million and that's called negotiation. \n\nDan: Right right right. I mean, I mean, I mean right, that's the whole thing. Is something is only worth what someone's willing to pay. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah. And they said well, this is fraud, but nobody was harmed, you know nobody was like any negotiation, nobody was harmed. You agree on a price and you know the banks made money. The other side made money, he made money. And well, the word is going out now don't invest in New York, don't do business in New York. \n\nDan: I mean the moment that hits and. \n\nDean: but the governor said, well, that's not what we meant by it. I'm sorry. Oh boy the horse is out of the barn, you know yeah right. \n\nDan: I mean that's pretty crazy. I saw Kevin O'Leary was talking about just that, that he was saying he's having some good weeks right now. Yeah, that's the death knell for a New York investment. It's nobody's gonna do anything there, that's easy. \n\nDean: So your melt cost just went through the roof just as a result of that court grilling. \n\nDan: Yeah, this is. That's pretty wild, and so in big news we saw that Super Tuesday last week and Haley's out, but not endorsing Trump. That's not throwing, not, you know not. \n\nDean: Yeah, well, she's likely the warrior in. Yeah, I don't have legs and arms left, but these are mirror flesh wounds. \n\nDan: That's right, I can still bite you. I can bite your kneecap, yeah. \n\nDean: And for the life of me I don't know what her game plan was, because I mean, she didn't do him any harm, but I just don't know. You know what her game was and doing what she did, do it. \n\nDan: Right, did you have to think she? \n\nDean: was bad. She was betting that the court system is going to stop him from being the nominee and that she would Right. \n\nDan: And I was just going to say that was. I thought that that's her game plan is hang in there. As to just the last one standing at the end, yeah. If Trump does get you know taken off the or disqualified or whatever which by the way what do you think the likelihood of that is? Zero Zero likelihood Okay, so and I felt especially after the Supreme Court case last week where it came up, because of the Colorado. \n\nDean: Yeah they sort of the states can't take them off, right. Yeah, and the nine Supreme Court, just as it was nine, did not. \n\nDan: It's not an enormous. \n\nDean: I mean you can't run a rick, you can't run a country this way, and I you can't have 50 states having different rules about who can run for. \n\nDan: Right, exactly. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: That's what the Supreme Court's for. You know, that's in the Constitution. Yeah and yeah, but I don't really know. I mean maybe she'll get a talk show on, you know, but you know I can't figure out where what her future is based on this performance, you know right. So yeah, but I mean, yeah, politics is, you know, politics is not entrepreneurial, it's an entrepreneurial business, you know you know there's clear cut winners and losers, and she's a loser right now, right. \n\nDan: And it's very interesting to see what the you know the RFK effect here. What's that's gonna who that's going to affect more? Do you know what the projection is or who is that? \n\nDean: going to hurt more. Yeah it's hard to say you know really. No, I mean, I saw him because Joe Polish had a man yeah, genius, and you know. I mean a lot of it. They were talking. They weren't talking about politics. \n\nDan: No. \n\nDean: And then we went to dinner. We went to dinner at somebody's house in Scottsdale and I was kind of say he's really sort of an ideal candidate for the president of the country that no longer exists, like if he had run in the 70s or 80s he would have led the Democratic Party. I mean he would have made it, but I don't think the country exists anymore. That would elect him president. But if he got 3 or 4 percent more of one party's voters, then he makes a big difference. \n\nDan: That's what I meant. He's like the green box on the roulette wheel, but he's the little edge that's going to the wild card in this. That could make it's not just black and red, it's not 50-50. He's a viable third party. I mean it's funny because we're definitely a three-party country in a two-party system. Really, that's the thing. \n\nDean: Yeah, I mean it's made a difference in some elections like 2000. Well, yeah, Ross Perot got Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton would not have gotten elected. But the other one is Gore lost because there were 50,000 Ralph Nader votes in Florida. \n\nDan: That's big. \n\nDean: I mean he lost by 500. He lost by 500. Yeah, that was never brought up. Well, it was the Haining Chats. \n\nDan: Haining Chats. That's right, that is so funny. Those words are fun. I've got some friends named Chad. I've got a couple. \n\nDean: I don't want to hate any of my friends who are named Chad. \n\nDan: Which one do you want, willardson or Jenkins? \n\nDean: Yeah, chad Johnson is one of our coaches. Oh there you go yeah, I've never had so many Chad's in my life, that's funny, it's not a common name either. No, but it must be contagious. \n\nDan: Yeah, I was like go through. I'm realizing Dean's not as common as you might think either. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah. Nobody gets called Bob or Tom or anything like that anymore. You know they're all the same. Yeah, exactly Exotic names, anyway, but yeah. And so the other problem was that with Gore nobody brought this up, but he lost Tennessee as home state I mean even as home state didn't vote for him. So there was a, you know but it's been more recently, although in 1948, I think, there were four people who got significant votes. Truman, sitting president, won, but he didn't win with 50%. He won, you know, 40, 46. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: So yeah Well, I don't think a third party can ever win unless it's replacing one of the, unless it's replacing the one of the existing parties you know, yes, and that hasn't happened since the 1800s. \n\nDan: Right yeah, did you watch the state of the union? No, I don't watch television. No, okay, but I meant the. You saw the highlights, or the summary or any highlights of it. I haven't had a chance yet to even see. \n\nDean: I mean. What I saw is I've seen angry old people talking to themselves on the street. \n\nDan: Right, exactly, and that's a video that very cleverly showed that he's given the same speech four times in a row. You know he's got the same exact talking points and it was so funny they'd show it from, you know, from 2000, and then they'd show 2000, this year, you know saying exactly the same, the same lines, and it's just. It was pretty funny, actually I was amazed. \n\nDean: There was. I love that Well, did you ever? When Disneyland California Disneyland opened up, they had recreations. You know they were in plastic or rubber form of Abraham Lincoln and you know, George Washington and that. Yeah, the hall of presidents, right, right, but they're, you know, their arms moved and their lips moved because they had they had little tubes that had fluid in them and you know it would. \n\nThey would manipulate the tubes, you know, and their hands would move. And they didn't show this at the state of the union. But were there a lot of those little hoses coming up behind him? I don't know. \n\nDan: Watch Joe move. Watch Joe move. \n\nDean: He's like so lifelike. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: It's really. It's really the closest I've seen in. You know, a high stakes election president of the United States is as high as it gets when. It's like the emperor's new clothes, you know. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: Nobody wants to mention that he's really. You know, this is the leader of the free world and say, geez, you know. \n\nDan: Oh man. \n\nDean: Yeah, you know. But you know you root for the home team whoever is the captain, you know regardless of who the captain is, you know so. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: Anyway, but yeah it's interesting. But you know, somebody was saying I have a longtime Canadian member of the strategic coach goes back to the 80s actually, and I had breakfast with him last and he says you know, I just you know you know, he says I know Biden's bad, but I just can't, you know, I just can't stomach the fact that we would have Trump again. \n\nThere's something about it, and you know he was going on for about five, 10 minutes. And I've had other situations in Toronto where Canadians are voicing their displeasure and I said you know, I read the US Constitution once a year. It doesn't take long to read, it's only typewritten. It's about 27 pages, you know. \n\nDan: And most of it's just. \n\nDean: You know, it's a set of rules, you know, and I said nowhere in the US Constitution does it say that American politics have to be pleasing to Canadians. \n\nDan: Any more than the Guinea. Politics have to be pleasing right. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, I mean, you can be on the happiest convenience matters? Not at all. \n\nDan: That's so funny. Yeah, I can't wait to see how it all unfolds. I mean, certainly it's going to be an amazing six months or whatever we've talked about. \n\nDean: Yeah, no, I just if you just say it's not politics, it's entertainment. \n\nDan: Yeah, that's exactly right, pretty good entertainment, you know. Yeah, yeah, switching topics. Here I was. I've mentioned, I've been playing around with the, with the Adams. \n\nDean: Yeah, did you get the connector for the? I did. \n\nDan: I got that and on Monday I need to Connect with the gentlemen that sent it to me because, yeah, because, yeah, I need to figure out how to yeah the problem I explained. \n\nDean: Yeah, I explained in my email that. Yeah, it's done in FileMaker which no longer exists, so it's hard to Transport it. \n\nDan: It's hard to. He offered to, he offered to transport something that no longer exists. Right, exactly but he offered to help me, walk me through it, so I'm gonna yeah them up on that, yeah cuz. \n\nI do want it, I do want to try it, but it's been very interesting to watch this just the way. This is Claire, yeah, yeah, it's just. It's so satisfying to see I've had, you know, it shows I've got ten reps down of my habit of waking up and drinking 500 milliliters of water, first thing that you can stack. I'm looking, you know, to stack all these things. It's been. This was a great week. \n\nDean: I have been working with JJ verge you know, I got your, we got your phone message, you know yes, yeah, where you yeah, yeah, together. A little Dean, you have witnesses now. \n\nDan: Well, that's exactly it, right it's. I said to Joe like, well, behind the scenes, while we were in Palm Beach, there was so much kind of rallying and you know, going around in the most supportive way possible for, you know, to help me get on track. You know, weight-wise, health-wise and, and you know Joe Polish has been just above and beyond you know, in orchestrating and you know organizing all of this I mentioned last week. You know he came and spent a few days with me and really helped me get things on track. And I've been working with JJ. So you know this was my first week, you know, full. Joe left last Saturday, so this was my first week with JJ. But having the daily accountability and systems around, you know what I'm doing. It's certainly a who, not how type of thing is really you know the importance of having a who that's kind of Onboard and guiding things. \n\nBut I get into this nice I'm accountable for in the more I send JJ, then you know the daily Story of yesterday, kind of thing with. She's got me hooked up on a Coronameter app which basically tracks my macros the protein, carbs, fat and calories of everything that I eat. She's helping with my you know menu selection and all this. So in the morning, after I drink my 500 milliliters of water, I Way every day and take a picture of the of the screen scale. Scale, yes, exactly. And then I send her my aura results for my sleep and readiness and yesterday's activity and Yep our goal. \n\nYou know I was on average when we were looking at it before. I would average, you know, 2500 to 4,000 steps a day would probably be the average, with you know probably 3,000 plus 3200, the kind of median of what, how many steps I would get in a day. So we've set now 4,000 is the baseline, the minimum steps that I get every day, mm-hmm, and so I send her that activity to show what that is. And then my Chronometer and she's got me focused on Protein. First, eating, my, you know, getting, you know, almost 150 grams of protein per day, which is really it's a lot. I mean, that's it's. \n\nI never hunger. I'm never hungry and it's almost like getting into the routine of trying to lead, lead with that and stay well, I mean your body knows when it's had the necessary nutrition, and protein is the champ for giving nutrition. \n\nDean: Absolutely complex, complex carbs and you know, and yeah, I mean yeah, you can. You know you can eat 5000 calories of Simple carbs and you feel hungry. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah. So this, you know this target. \n\nDean: So I'm plus water make. Water makes a big difference, absolutely. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, so it's been great. So the we you know tomorrow will be the you know the kind of Week on week weigh-in. But I'm already down like three and a half pounds from. So you know most 1%, 1% of that's the target I guess is 1% of body weight per week is a good to keep on and You're just getting in the habit and the routine and you know that every week she'll be in the cloud, that's exactly right, that's the goal 57 right now, you'll be 80, I'll be 58 in May. \n\nYeah, yeah, yeah, and so yeah, so yeah. Certainly taking this long-term view of by my Well, it's habits, I mean yes, that's all it is, you know. \n\nDean: What I was thinking, because I knew we probably Talk about this topic today, but I was thinking about just looking at habits as reality and they're either working for you or they're working against you, and that's yes, you know that's not an opinion, you know it's. It's just that you can tell whether the habits are supportive. Or that's supportive and the other thing I was thinking about, the gap in the game. \n\nAnd I think that if you just think in terms of replacing bad habits with good habits. Yeah, you stay in the game. Yes, and I think the gap is that you need to be penalized for your bad habits. You know I think there's a internal thing. You know that you should feel guilty, you should feel shame about your bad habits. I said they're just habits, right exactly. I said they're just habits, right, exactly, I said they're just habits, right, exactly, and that's. \n\nDan: And so this, really this thing like looking at this week here, and I think that I had lunch with Leo or Weinstein yesterday. I went over to the Four Seasons in Orlando and we had a nice three and a half hour lunch and this was a lot of what we you mean Mr Good at everything. \n\nMr. It's so. It's almost unfair, isn't it? Yeah, the guy's just so smart and everything Right. We had some great. We had some great conversations and yeah, this was. You know the fact that there's nothing else you can do but what I'm doing habitually on a daily basis. That's the only path. It's not. That's the thing is there's no, it's not like this monumental effort because it's a big mountain to climb, you know. To get to the top of, you know, mount 100 pounds or whatever, you know, the ultimate benchmark is. But to climb to the top of that mountain just requires that you've got to take steps every day. There's no possible way to get to the top in one day, and that's where it. \n\nDean: And nobody gets more than one day every 24 hours. \n\nDan: That's exactly right. So having that benchmark of 1% a week as what you can safely and consistently lose is just that, it's just stacking those things, and a day a week is the perfect, I think, amount unit of measurement, because it's you can't really that's the most important, more than the daily even you know like the variation in one day. \n\nIt's more important over a week that you take that. So that's all I'm focused on is the week, and we're already at the routine I've already got. I'm very comfortable with consistency and habit, so I don't need a lot of variety in things. If I find certain things we've got now some meal combinations that really work for me, and if I can just, you know, stay on that track and continue to have the accountability, I think it's an inevitability, you know, is just the watching it happen. Well, it's like you're a profit activator, I mean just moving that to another thing. \n\nDean: I mean, if you're doing all late and they're all contributing to a profit, it strikes me there's no, there's nothing to fix. \n\nDan: Right, exactly. Oh, it's so funny, right. So, yeah, it's so funny. I mean just identifying that the key thing for me is just to continue raising the benchmark, right, like I'm raising my from 4,000 to 5,000 steps it's the minimum on my way to 10,000, you know, yeah, Do you measure steps or does that matter to you? \n\nDean: I mean, it's not my main focus, but if I get the right number of steps, I get the high number of attendees on my activity. You know, and every, you know, every quarter or so I raise the number. You know the stuff. So I do right now probably average around 6 or 7,000. And yeah, and I've done 10,. You know, on some days, you know, when it's kind of walk in nature day, I'll get more than that. \n\nBut you know but I'm doing a lot of things like my big thing that I've been working on for four months is I never get in trouble with my meals. I get in trouble with snacking between meals, and so I've eliminated that and I'm down, you know, five or six pounds just by doing that. Wow, yeah, yeah. So you know. Anyway, first of all, kudos to just you know. It really strikes me that Dean Jackson doesn't do anything and stick with it unless it makes intellectual sense. That's true, probably, yeah, no, I mean. Yeah, I mean unless I mean you know your habits and you know your. Yeah, we all have a measurement system on what constitutes progress. Yes, and my sense is until you get the way of something you can do every day, yeah, it's an intellectual satisfying, you don't do it. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: And a lot of people try to make it emotional, emotional, you know that you know and everything that, but you can't sustain it. \n\nDan: And even if it is, even if you get to the point, I agree with you 100%. By the way, I don't perceive it as emotional, but you know that often that's. You know well what's the cause of this kind of thing you know. But the reality is that even if you were to uncover an emotional issue, that still requires them that intellectually you have to figure out what's the mechanics of what needs to actually happen. \n\nYou know it's like getting to the bottom of an emotional issue isn't, on its own, going to solve the problem, the same way that you know, figuring out the mechanics of what actually needs to happen. Yeah, happen, yeah. That's really the bottom line, but I'm very encouraged. This feels like a very different level of, you know, systemic change. \n\nDean: That's happened here, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well it's a process you know. The process consists of you know and you keep. Every time I talk to you, you're adding some new habit to it. Yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: And my sense is that once you get the momentum of 10 good habits, you're motivated to have 20 good habits. I agree 100%. \n\nDan: Yeah, I agree, because that then becomes a great game. You know, that's the I love to game-a-five things. That keeps us interested, you know. \n\nDean: Okay, I have a meeting in. Five Minutes with Daniel White. \n\nDan: Okay. \n\nDean: And who's staying with us in Chicago? \n\nDan: Chicago. \n\nDean: Awesome. So, but I'll be, I'll. I have you in my calendar for next Sunday. \n\nDan: Awesome. I'm not so we're going to be in Toronto next Sunday. You are going to be because on my calendar it says no Dan podcast. \n\nDean: Yeah, but we have, but I will be there, okay, perfect. \n\nDan: Fantastic. \n\nDean: And in the same time. So Okay, Perfect Okay. \n\nDan: Bye, bye, bye. 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You know, your Loudland announcer, who welcomes us to the call, always promises there\u0026#39;s going to be others, but there never is. There\u0026#39;s just one, just us. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We\u0026#39;re waiting for others to join. I am other. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We\u0026#39;re waiting for others to catch up. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s exactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, how? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e did you? How do you feel you\u0026#39;re an hour short? Yeah, I don\u0026#39;t like this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve been confused about five times so far today. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Part of the reason is my watch and my cell phone are in another time zone and that\u0026#39;s reflected. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e My computer is still in Toronto. Oh, my goodness, that\u0026#39;s so funny. Are you in Chicago right now? Oh, got it Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s a little F you from winter, you know you get this little kick. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, I\u0026#39;ll leave, but I\u0026#39;m taking an hour with me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, I mean it\u0026#39;s go ahead. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I was gonna say we can\u0026#39;t complain because we got an extra day this year. We got 24 extra hours, so I guess we deducted it from that surplus. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But that\u0026#39;s in the past and that is, in the past, yeah, that\u0026#39;s right, you know, I haven\u0026#39;t really studied where that came from, but I think it has to do with farming Daylight savings. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think it was to absolutely to extend harvest times in the summer. You know, work more. Yeah, I thought we were trying to get rid of it. We, as a you know that\u0026#39;s the inclusive version of they thought they were trying, we try to try to get rid of it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, no, I haven\u0026#39;t. I haven\u0026#39;t really devoted an hour and a minute of time to that particular project. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I know, Florida is. I know Florida is like Arizona is considering staying on daylight savings time at all times and not yeah, and I think there were a lot of states that were looking to do that and I thought, oh boy, what a, what a mess that would be. It\u0026#39;s already enough of a nuisance that Arizona doesn\u0026#39;t participate. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know I would vote for keeping it. Yeah you know why? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Because it\u0026#39;s quirky, it is a little bit quirky, and you know what for me in? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Florida and I like quirkiness and other people, so why wouldn\u0026#39;t I like quirky in the time system? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you know, it\u0026#39;s the only way that I mark the season changes. That for me is like the transition into, you know, spring, summer, and then I know, when we get to to light savings, we get fall and winter. That\u0026#39;s the only thing. It gets darker earlier. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s really interesting because when this is, I\u0026#39;m changing the context here, but it has to do with weights and measurements. You know the metric system is a French creation. It was created, I think, during Napoleon\u0026#39;s reign and you know he tried to standardize in uniform, make Europe uniform, because he wanted to be emperor of Europe, you know, then emperor of the world. You know folks like him sort of have those type of ambitions and so up until then, you know you had what is commonly called the imperial system of measurements in in the UK, great Britain. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know pounds and inches and miles, you know and you know, and Fahrenheit, you know, was the measure measured. And then you know, europe adapted the metric system. And but once Brexit happened. This is in 2016, the merchants who were permitted to go back to the imperial system for weights in stores oh wow, growth grocery stores. But the bureaucrats who run the you know who run the system in Britain. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So you have sort of. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it\u0026#39;s a bit of an entrepreneurial versus bureaucratic standoff. And so it\u0026#39;s a real mishmash in Great Britain now, and I kind of like that, because almost everything else about Great Britain is a mishmash. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that\u0026#39;s so funny. You know, it\u0026#39;s like the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I like mishmashes. My favorite kind of food is a mishmash. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e There was a Saturday Night Live skit where the they were, you know, they were founding settlers, founding the United States and deciding, you know, the guy was saying how we would adopt a system of measurements. That would be, you know, there\u0026#39;d be one foot, is the thing, and they\u0026#39;ll be three feet in a yard and the whole, you know, just made no sense because the metric system is such an easier system. You know how many feet in a mile. And they were saying nobody knows you know why it\u0026#39;ll? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e you know why it\u0026#39;ll never happen in the United States? Because of sports. Oh yeah, 100 yards for football 100 yards, a 350 foot home run, seven foot center. Yeah, exactly Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, Right yeah but in Toronto. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, they try to impose it on the sports reporting in Toronto, but nobody pays any attention to it. No, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve never switched over. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve been in Toronto for 53 years, 1973, I think, is when the system international started. So you know, my first grade was Imperial, second grade was Si, so we started learning, you know, metrics and second grade, but I still think in Imperial I mean, it\u0026#39;s so funny, we\u0026#39;re always doing the conversion you know, yeah, and it\u0026#39;s especially scary when it comes to temperature, because zero really means something in Fahrenheit, but it\u0026#39;s, you know, it\u0026#39;s sort of wishy washy and metric. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Zero is like 32, 32 degrees. Yeah right, Exactly yeah, 32 degrees. The only place where it meets is 40 degrees minus 40 degrees. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So it\u0026#39;s exactly the same. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but who wants to have that experience? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh man, that\u0026#39;s so funny. So when is your next Buenos Aires? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e trip. It\u0026#39;ll be Saturday, two weeks, so two weeks from yesterday. From yesterday and this is our fourth, and this may be then the last quick trip. And it\u0026#39;ll probably be six months. Six months Now, we\u0026#39;ll do six months and then probably, depending on how it shows up, six months from now. I\u0026#39;m talking about stem cell here stem cell treatments. And how are you feeling? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Are you starting to notice the difference? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m feeling great. Yeah, the biggest thing is there\u0026#39;s still soreness in my knee. And but I feel very confident about it. You know, I mean before there was soreness in my knee and I wasn\u0026#39;t feeling confident because, barring any kind of therapy, it was going to get more sore in the future and I have definite confidence that\u0026#39;ll be less and less until the soreness disappears, you know because, the cartilage is definitely regrowing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I was going to say is there evidence Like do they quantitatively measure the? Yeah, you do it with an. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e MRI. The MRI can show what it was, and what I learned is that it doesn\u0026#39;t layer from bottom to top like the new cartilage. This is, you know, exactly my cartilage that I lost in through an operation, through an accident, in an operation in 1975, so long time ago. And so in those days they just, you know, it was broken, it was torn, so they cut it out, you know don\u0026#39;t need anymore. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they would glue it back together now they have a surgical clue now that they could glue it back together, but the but what it does, it comes in vertically. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo it\u0026#39;s this constant extension, like it\u0026#39;s you know, it\u0026#39;s a half of an inch, and then it\u0026#39;s an inch. Yeah and it\u0026#39;s very interesting how it comes in. It comes in sideways so it doesn\u0026#39;t come in. You know it doesn\u0026#39;t come. That you establish a base and then it builds on the base. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So it\u0026#39;s anyway, but I can feel the difference going up and down stairs. That\u0026#39;s where my you know my daily measurement is really that more and more I\u0026#39;m walking up and down stairs. Normally. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah oh, that\u0026#39;s great. But the biggest thing is the brain stuff. Because they have an IV, you can\u0026#39;t inject things into the brain, you have to. You know a thing called lymph which create a pathway into your brain. So you have the lymph sites one day and then two days later they put an IV and the cells are actually custom designed for the brain so they, once they get into your blood system, they go automatically through the new passage way that the lymph sites have created and then they go into your brain. But I really noticed in my EEG tests and then neurofeedback program that I\u0026#39;m in that my concentration, my focus, you know, not being distracted is improving enormously. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOh, that\u0026#39;s amazing, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s awesome. So you\u0026#39;ve got, for example, we\u0026#39;re. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know we\u0026#39;re 13 minutes into the podcast and not once have I forgotten that I\u0026#39;m talking to you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Hey, there we go. I like that, that\u0026#39;s good news. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you know, you count your progress where you find it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s so funny. So I have something for us to look at next for next time. I was talking with someone and they were sharing with me this guy, yanis Verifakis. Do you know him? Have you heard of? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e him? Yeah, I think I have heard the name, but I\u0026#39;m trying to think where. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So he\u0026#39;s just sent me a video called capitalism has mutated into something worse and he\u0026#39;s talking about this. You know cloud. You know cloud migration or whatever, and how those things are, you know, really owning our. Well, I don\u0026#39;t know enough to say. I just wanted to ask. I\u0026#39;m wondering if you had heard about him. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut essentially saying, companies like Amazon, like these big companies, are fiefdoms that control our. You know the way we see things like. You know your Amazon store, for instance, when you go to Amazon, is very different than my Amazon store. You know, based on everything that I all my, all the data that they have about me, kind of thing. You know when it used to be in on the mainland, when you would go to downtown or you\u0026#39;d go to the shop area, you\u0026#39;d have all the stores. Everybody sees the same. Everybody sees the same thing. It\u0026#39;s more of an equal landscape sort of thing. But now you know there\u0026#39;s advantage in knowing. You know, in having this established. You know data that everybody that\u0026#39;s what they really have is access to. You know amazing amounts of data. So this cloud, the cloud, is really changing. Who\u0026#39;s winning in the? You know, even in a global sense, but borders and everything don\u0026#39;t really matter anymore. It\u0026#39;s not about that. I wonder if that kind of resonates with what you know Peter Zion is saying. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But yeah, I think Peter Zion saying exactly the opposite. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, that\u0026#39;s why I\u0026#39;m very curious, right Like that\u0026#39;s you know yeah, he\u0026#39;s saying borders matter more than ever. Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Because of transportation. Okay, so Amazon, you can do anything with Amazon, but it\u0026#39;s got to be transported. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And transportation is the great constraint you know, and so, for example, one of the problems that Amazon has with crime is traffic congestion in cities. You know so that they\u0026#39;re promised that we can deliver it in. You know, if you order this morning, you\u0026#39;ll have it by noon. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I\u0026#39;ve had that happen. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e If traffic permits. And then there\u0026#39;s the labor costs of actually finding drivers that\u0026#39;ll do this. You know, for more than just a short period of time. So you always have to be thinking of the labor costs. And yeah so so my sense is yeah, he\u0026#39;s of a school. Whoever this man is, I\u0026#39;m suspecting that it\u0026#39;s a man. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Does he identify? Does he identify as a man, I mean? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e yes, I think so. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, anyway, and yeah, it\u0026#39;s the same thing. Capitalism doesn\u0026#39;t really change. It simply changes the environment in which capitalism is being used, because it\u0026#39;s really a methodology for growth. You know capitalism is? You know, first of all, it\u0026#39;s about pricing, and Amazon are the great price competitors in the world. I mean that\u0026#39;s. They introduced a whole new way that you know, whatever it was, the total cost of getting it to you and the price you had to pay, they could pretty well out compete anyone else. That\u0026#39;s capital. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s capitalism you know, and they\u0026#39;re moving property. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know they\u0026#39;re moving property from. You know, actually the Amazon never owns any property. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know they they\u0026#39;re just really, unless they do create or white label or do things themselves, they\u0026#39;re pretty robust at that that. That that\u0026#39;s been one of the things. That that\u0026#39;s been one of the things that they have as an advantage is that they Create their own brand of stuff, that they see things that are, you know, new products or new things that are Selling, and then they create their own version of it or white label their own version of it you know, and it\u0026#39;s very interesting yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, we\u0026#39;ve had not like a product per se but we\u0026#39;ve had a continual Conversation with the Amazon because with the three best-selling books that we did with them Hardy, the book comes out on a Monday and by Friday there\u0026#39;s another book called who, not how, and it\u0026#39;s the summary of who not how and you know you can kind of create a summary of any book now with artificial intelligence in about 10 seconds, you know 10 seconds, and then there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo our book will be listed on Kindle and you know. And and then immediately, within a month, you\u0026#39;ll have a first one in five days, but in a month, if it\u0026#39;s really selling, you might have seven versions of summary of who, not how, and we said, you know this is kind of Toddry, you know we talked to them and we\u0026#39;ve had about five of them, five or six of them taken down Because it\u0026#39;s too close to our stuff, it\u0026#39;s almost, you know yeah, but that, and did you register the trademark on who, not how? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, that\u0026#39;s and that\u0026#39;s where we get them. That\u0026#39;s what we get them with, because you can\u0026#39;t, you can\u0026#39;t, you don\u0026#39;t have Exclusive control over a book title. You can have 10 books with with you know. With you know, by the same name, there could be 10 books out there called who. That\u0026#39;s how. Right but you can\u0026#39;t have been hardy, and what they were doing they had you know. Summary you know who, not how, by Dan Sullivan and Ben Hardy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWell, that that you\u0026#39;re crossing the line there, you know, right, you know, and it\u0026#39;s like flies and mosquitoes. You know, you just make sure you have good screens. You know and you make sure you close the door and everything but it\u0026#39;s a constant. It\u0026#39;s a constant thing but you know, and maybe it does as good. I don\u0026#39;t know if it does as good. Somebody buys the summary and then they say hey. I better read the book, you know so. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t know but. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But it\u0026#39;s no different from knockoff Rolexes in Hong Kong. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I see what I\u0026#39;m looking at. The thing now, the one right after it is it\u0026#39;s not the how or the what, but the who succeed by surrounding yourself with. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean that\u0026#39;s yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but you know it\u0026#39;s Babs gets angry at it. I just considered it, as you know, it\u0026#39;s like it\u0026#39;s mosquito season, you know. Yeah, but I would say capitalism is no different now than it was in In the marketplace of Rome, and but it changes its methods. I mean it changes its presentation. That changes, but this thing about capitalism is changing. Let\u0026#39;s create conscious capitalism, let\u0026#39;s create humane. There\u0026#39;s just capitalism and there\u0026#39;s somebody\u0026#39;s emotional response to it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, yeah, yeah, that\u0026#39;s yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean Peter Zion. I mean, I\u0026#39;ve read so much, peter Zion. I could Sort of tell, you know, one thing we know is that the United States is better at it than any other country. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s not universal. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it\u0026#39;s that like. It\u0026#39;s very, it\u0026#39;s really interesting. I watched some of his. I watched some of his videos, which I was fine and insightful, and I\u0026#39;m always surprised that you know he gets three or four hundred thousand people a day watching his dispatches. You know they\u0026#39;re always it\u0026#39;s really well done. He\u0026#39;s good at articulating things and it\u0026#39;s fascinating to me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It almost makes you want to go to Colorado too right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s beautiful, right. I mean it\u0026#39;s almost yeah yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e He says yeah, I, I\u0026#39;m Very easily communicating to you from thirteen thousand feet Everything which is kind of said you must be really in good shape you know, yeah, so yeah, but he\u0026#39;s fairly. He\u0026#39;s faster responding than anyone else in the world. An event happens on Tuesday. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And by. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Thursday. He\u0026#39;s got an explanation for why it\u0026#39;s happening. Yeah he\u0026#39;s really remarkable. He\u0026#39;s in my lifetime I\u0026#39;ve never come across anyone like him. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s really like I\u0026#39;m. It\u0026#39;s it seems like such a macro level view of things that I\u0026#39;m always. You know I\u0026#39;m kind of fascinated why you\u0026#39;re so fascinated with this. Like I mean, when you\u0026#39;ve read the, the book, you said like seven times or something. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean well, his latest book, yeah, seven times complete, yeah, seven times complete. Yeah, and you know, and what I\u0026#39;m looking for is there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, with anything, when I read them, yeah, is there sort of a deeper level that he doesn\u0026#39;t go into, or and so what I did is I just came out with my latest book, which is the great meltdown you know, and then I Explained that wherever you are on the planet, you\u0026#39;re constrained by the cost of money, the cost of energy, the cost of labor and cost of transportation and no two places are equal in risk and Relationship to those four constraints and the US is just that keeping those four costs the lowest of Historically. I mean right back to the beginning. They\u0026#39;ve just been better for all sorts of lucky reasons, mainly because their geography. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The geography is so good. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean we talked about Florida, that Florida is proof that God loves. Real estate agents in the state of Florida. Yeah, because you have on the East Coast. You have three, three waterfront. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s right exactly the ocean side and two intercoastals, and same all the way yeah the same all the way up the Gulf too. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, the Gulf that goes all the way to Texas. But thank, you and the north of Florida goes all the way to Virginia. I think Virginia or Maryland is still you know, the inner. And what it does is it prevents large storm shroom actually hitting the mainland, because that buffer zone of the inner coastal, you know, just stops big waves, it stops everything. So, yeah, so any anyway. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean you don\u0026#39;t really have to go into the Atlantic Ocean very much once you start if you\u0026#39;re taking a boat trip Private boat trip down the East Coast, if you start at Virginia. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Really go down the intercoastal all the way yeah. Yeah, yeah, started an apple receiver proves that God favors. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah so funny. Yeah but you know, people are always trying to create a standardized global version of reality. That\u0026#39;s been happening forever. But those four costs means there can be no standardization because it\u0026#39;s I mean, it\u0026#39;s different in or it\u0026#39;s different where you live than it is in Tampa. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s really interesting. I guess there\u0026#39;s regional, like when you think about it\u0026#39;s transferable on every level, right, like the whole, because the cost of transportation you know has, you know, the further away, the more remote you are, the more costs to get something to you. And so even if I think now I see kind of the thing that you\u0026#39;re talking about, like if you go to a place where the labor costs are lower, perhaps you\u0026#39;ve got a balance with the cost of transporting the reduced goods that you\u0026#39;ve done back to where they\u0026#39;re going to sell. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo it all has to balance out. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, I mean you can take the huge migration from New York, you know, from New York state, to Florida right now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd you know people explain it politically and everything. But just compare the four melt costs between you know the cost of money is lower in Florida, the cost of energy is lower in Florida, labor and transportation the costs are lower. And I mean there\u0026#39;s a lot of political issues that make things expensive or inexpensive. But you know, I mean that. For example, the court case where Trump was found guilty, you know, two, three weeks ago for something that\u0026#39;s an antiquated law from 150 years ago that\u0026#39;s never been inflicted on anybody. That in a business negotiation he said his company was worth 1.2 billion and it turned out it was only 800 million and that\u0026#39;s called negotiation. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right right right. I mean, I mean, I mean right, that\u0026#39;s the whole thing. Is something is only worth what someone\u0026#39;s willing to pay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. And they said well, this is fraud, but nobody was harmed, you know nobody was like any negotiation, nobody was harmed. You agree on a price and you know the banks made money. The other side made money, he made money. And well, the word is going out now don\u0026#39;t invest in New York, don\u0026#39;t do business in New York. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean the moment that hits and. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e but the governor said, well, that\u0026#39;s not what we meant by it. I\u0026#39;m sorry. Oh boy the horse is out of the barn, you know yeah right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean that\u0026#39;s pretty crazy. I saw Kevin O\u0026#39;Leary was talking about just that, that he was saying he\u0026#39;s having some good weeks right now. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s the death knell for a New York investment. It\u0026#39;s nobody\u0026#39;s gonna do anything there, that\u0026#39;s easy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So your melt cost just went through the roof just as a result of that court grilling. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, this is. That\u0026#39;s pretty wild, and so in big news we saw that Super Tuesday last week and Haley\u0026#39;s out, but not endorsing Trump. That\u0026#39;s not throwing, not, you know not. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, she\u0026#39;s likely the warrior in. Yeah, I don\u0026#39;t have legs and arms left, but these are mirror flesh wounds. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s right, I can still bite you. I can bite your kneecap, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And for the life of me I don\u0026#39;t know what her game plan was, because I mean, she didn\u0026#39;t do him any harm, but I just don\u0026#39;t know. You know what her game was and doing what she did, do it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, did you have to think she? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e was bad. She was betting that the court system is going to stop him from being the nominee and that she would Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I was just going to say that was. I thought that that\u0026#39;s her game plan is hang in there. As to just the last one standing at the end, yeah. If Trump does get you know taken off the or disqualified or whatever which by the way what do you think the likelihood of that is? Zero Zero likelihood Okay, so and I felt especially after the Supreme Court case last week where it came up, because of the Colorado. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah they sort of the states can\u0026#39;t take them off, right. Yeah, and the nine Supreme Court, just as it was nine, did not. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s not an enormous. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean you can\u0026#39;t run a rick, you can\u0026#39;t run a country this way, and I you can\u0026#39;t have 50 states having different rules about who can run for. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s what the Supreme Court\u0026#39;s for. You know, that\u0026#39;s in the Constitution. Yeah and yeah, but I don\u0026#39;t really know. I mean maybe she\u0026#39;ll get a talk show on, you know, but you know I can\u0026#39;t figure out where what her future is based on this performance, you know right. So yeah, but I mean, yeah, politics is, you know, politics is not entrepreneurial, it\u0026#39;s an entrepreneurial business, you know you know there\u0026#39;s clear cut winners and losers, and she\u0026#39;s a loser right now, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And it\u0026#39;s very interesting to see what the you know the RFK effect here. What\u0026#39;s that\u0026#39;s gonna who that\u0026#39;s going to affect more? Do you know what the projection is or who is that? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e going to hurt more. Yeah it\u0026#39;s hard to say you know really. No, I mean, I saw him because Joe Polish had a man yeah, genius, and you know. I mean a lot of it. They were talking. They weren\u0026#39;t talking about politics. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And then we went to dinner. We went to dinner at somebody\u0026#39;s house in Scottsdale and I was kind of say he\u0026#39;s really sort of an ideal candidate for the president of the country that no longer exists, like if he had run in the 70s or 80s he would have led the Democratic Party. I mean he would have made it, but I don\u0026#39;t think the country exists anymore. That would elect him president. But if he got 3 or 4 percent more of one party\u0026#39;s voters, then he makes a big difference. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s what I meant. He\u0026#39;s like the green box on the roulette wheel, but he\u0026#39;s the little edge that\u0026#39;s going to the wild card in this. That could make it\u0026#39;s not just black and red, it\u0026#39;s not 50-50. He\u0026#39;s a viable third party. I mean it\u0026#39;s funny because we\u0026#39;re definitely a three-party country in a two-party system. Really, that\u0026#39;s the thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean it\u0026#39;s made a difference in some elections like 2000. Well, yeah, Ross Perot got Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton would not have gotten elected. But the other one is Gore lost because there were 50,000 Ralph Nader votes in Florida. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s big. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean he lost by 500. He lost by 500. Yeah, that was never brought up. Well, it was the Haining Chats. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Haining Chats. That\u0026#39;s right, that is so funny. Those words are fun. I\u0026#39;ve got some friends named Chad. I\u0026#39;ve got a couple. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t want to hate any of my friends who are named Chad. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Which one do you want, willardson or Jenkins? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, chad Johnson is one of our coaches. Oh there you go yeah, I\u0026#39;ve never had so many Chad\u0026#39;s in my life, that\u0026#39;s funny, it\u0026#39;s not a common name either. No, but it must be contagious. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I was like go through. I\u0026#39;m realizing Dean\u0026#39;s not as common as you might think either. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. Nobody gets called Bob or Tom or anything like that anymore. You know they\u0026#39;re all the same. Yeah, exactly Exotic names, anyway, but yeah. And so the other problem was that with Gore nobody brought this up, but he lost Tennessee as home state I mean even as home state didn\u0026#39;t vote for him. So there was a, you know but it\u0026#39;s been more recently, although in 1948, I think, there were four people who got significant votes. Truman, sitting president, won, but he didn\u0026#39;t win with 50%. He won, you know, 40, 46. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So yeah Well, I don\u0026#39;t think a third party can ever win unless it\u0026#39;s replacing one of the, unless it\u0026#39;s replacing the one of the existing parties you know, yes, and that hasn\u0026#39;t happened since the 1800s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right yeah, did you watch the state of the union? No, I don\u0026#39;t watch television. No, okay, but I meant the. You saw the highlights, or the summary or any highlights of it. I haven\u0026#39;t had a chance yet to even see. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean. What I saw is I\u0026#39;ve seen angry old people talking to themselves on the street. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, exactly, and that\u0026#39;s a video that very cleverly showed that he\u0026#39;s given the same speech four times in a row. You know he\u0026#39;s got the same exact talking points and it was so funny they\u0026#39;d show it from, you know, from 2000, and then they\u0026#39;d show 2000, this year, you know saying exactly the same, the same lines, and it\u0026#39;s just. It was pretty funny, actually I was amazed. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e There was. I love that Well, did you ever? When Disneyland California Disneyland opened up, they had recreations. You know they were in plastic or rubber form of Abraham Lincoln and you know, George Washington and that. Yeah, the hall of presidents, right, right, but they\u0026#39;re, you know, their arms moved and their lips moved because they had they had little tubes that had fluid in them and you know it would. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey would manipulate the tubes, you know, and their hands would move. And they didn\u0026#39;t show this at the state of the union. But were there a lot of those little hoses coming up behind him? I don\u0026#39;t know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Watch Joe move. Watch Joe move. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e He\u0026#39;s like so lifelike. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s really. It\u0026#39;s really the closest I\u0026#39;ve seen in. You know, a high stakes election president of the United States is as high as it gets when. It\u0026#39;s like the emperor\u0026#39;s new clothes, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Nobody wants to mention that he\u0026#39;s really. You know, this is the leader of the free world and say, geez, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh man. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you know. But you know you root for the home team whoever is the captain, you know regardless of who the captain is, you know so. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Anyway, but yeah it\u0026#39;s interesting. But you know, somebody was saying I have a longtime Canadian member of the strategic coach goes back to the 80s actually, and I had breakfast with him last and he says you know, I just you know you know, he says I know Biden\u0026#39;s bad, but I just can\u0026#39;t, you know, I just can\u0026#39;t stomach the fact that we would have Trump again. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere\u0026#39;s something about it, and you know he was going on for about five, 10 minutes. And I\u0026#39;ve had other situations in Toronto where Canadians are voicing their displeasure and I said you know, I read the US Constitution once a year. It doesn\u0026#39;t take long to read, it\u0026#39;s only typewritten. It\u0026#39;s about 27 pages, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And most of it\u0026#39;s just. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, it\u0026#39;s a set of rules, you know, and I said nowhere in the US Constitution does it say that American politics have to be pleasing to Canadians. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Any more than the Guinea. Politics have to be pleasing right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, I mean, you can be on the happiest convenience matters? Not at all. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s so funny. Yeah, I can\u0026#39;t wait to see how it all unfolds. I mean, certainly it\u0026#39;s going to be an amazing six months or whatever we\u0026#39;ve talked about. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, no, I just if you just say it\u0026#39;s not politics, it\u0026#39;s entertainment. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s exactly right, pretty good entertainment, you know. Yeah, yeah, switching topics. Here I was. I\u0026#39;ve mentioned, I\u0026#39;ve been playing around with the, with the Adams. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, did you get the connector for the? I did. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I got that and on Monday I need to Connect with the gentlemen that sent it to me because, yeah, because, yeah, I need to figure out how to yeah the problem I explained. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I explained in my email that. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s done in FileMaker which no longer exists, so it\u0026#39;s hard to Transport it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s hard to. He offered to, he offered to transport something that no longer exists. Right, exactly but he offered to help me, walk me through it, so I\u0026#39;m gonna yeah them up on that, yeah cuz. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI do want it, I do want to try it, but it\u0026#39;s been very interesting to watch this just the way. This is Claire, yeah, yeah, it\u0026#39;s just. It\u0026#39;s so satisfying to see I\u0026#39;ve had, you know, it shows I\u0026#39;ve got ten reps down of my habit of waking up and drinking 500 milliliters of water, first thing that you can stack. I\u0026#39;m looking, you know, to stack all these things. It\u0026#39;s been. This was a great week. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I have been working with JJ verge you know, I got your, we got your phone message, you know yes, yeah, where you yeah, yeah, together. A little Dean, you have witnesses now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that\u0026#39;s exactly it, right it\u0026#39;s. I said to Joe like, well, behind the scenes, while we were in Palm Beach, there was so much kind of rallying and you know, going around in the most supportive way possible for, you know, to help me get on track. You know, weight-wise, health-wise and, and you know Joe Polish has been just above and beyond you know, in orchestrating and you know organizing all of this I mentioned last week. You know he came and spent a few days with me and really helped me get things on track. And I\u0026#39;ve been working with JJ. So you know this was my first week, you know, full. Joe left last Saturday, so this was my first week with JJ. But having the daily accountability and systems around, you know what I\u0026#39;m doing. It\u0026#39;s certainly a who, not how type of thing is really you know the importance of having a who that\u0026#39;s kind of Onboard and guiding things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut I get into this nice I\u0026#39;m accountable for in the more I send JJ, then you know the daily Story of yesterday, kind of thing with. She\u0026#39;s got me hooked up on a Coronameter app which basically tracks my macros the protein, carbs, fat and calories of everything that I eat. She\u0026#39;s helping with my you know menu selection and all this. So in the morning, after I drink my 500 milliliters of water, I Way every day and take a picture of the of the screen scale. Scale, yes, exactly. And then I send her my aura results for my sleep and readiness and yesterday\u0026#39;s activity and Yep our goal. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know I was on average when we were looking at it before. I would average, you know, 2500 to 4,000 steps a day would probably be the average, with you know probably 3,000 plus 3200, the kind of median of what, how many steps I would get in a day. So we\u0026#39;ve set now 4,000 is the baseline, the minimum steps that I get every day, mm-hmm, and so I send her that activity to show what that is. And then my Chronometer and she\u0026#39;s got me focused on Protein. First, eating, my, you know, getting, you know, almost 150 grams of protein per day, which is really it\u0026#39;s a lot. I mean, that\u0026#39;s it\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI never hunger. I\u0026#39;m never hungry and it\u0026#39;s almost like getting into the routine of trying to lead, lead with that and stay well, I mean your body knows when it\u0026#39;s had the necessary nutrition, and protein is the champ for giving nutrition. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Absolutely complex, complex carbs and you know, and yeah, I mean yeah, you can. You know you can eat 5000 calories of Simple carbs and you feel hungry. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. So this, you know this target. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So I\u0026#39;m plus water make. Water makes a big difference, absolutely. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, so it\u0026#39;s been great. So the we you know tomorrow will be the you know the kind of Week on week weigh-in. But I\u0026#39;m already down like three and a half pounds from. So you know most 1%, 1% of that\u0026#39;s the target I guess is 1% of body weight per week is a good to keep on and You\u0026#39;re just getting in the habit and the routine and you know that every week she\u0026#39;ll be in the cloud, that\u0026#39;s exactly right, that\u0026#39;s the goal 57 right now, you\u0026#39;ll be 80, I\u0026#39;ll be 58 in May. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, yeah, yeah, and so yeah, so yeah. Certainly taking this long-term view of by my Well, it\u0026#39;s habits, I mean yes, that\u0026#39;s all it is, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e What I was thinking, because I knew we probably Talk about this topic today, but I was thinking about just looking at habits as reality and they\u0026#39;re either working for you or they\u0026#39;re working against you, and that\u0026#39;s yes, you know that\u0026#39;s not an opinion, you know it\u0026#39;s. It\u0026#39;s just that you can tell whether the habits are supportive. Or that\u0026#39;s supportive and the other thing I was thinking about, the gap in the game. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I think that if you just think in terms of replacing bad habits with good habits. Yeah, you stay in the game. Yes, and I think the gap is that you need to be penalized for your bad habits. You know I think there\u0026#39;s a internal thing. You know that you should feel guilty, you should feel shame about your bad habits. I said they\u0026#39;re just habits, right exactly. I said they\u0026#39;re just habits, right, exactly, I said they\u0026#39;re just habits, right, exactly, and that\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And so this, really this thing like looking at this week here, and I think that I had lunch with Leo or Weinstein yesterday. I went over to the Four Seasons in Orlando and we had a nice three and a half hour lunch and this was a lot of what we you mean Mr Good at everything. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eMr. It\u0026#39;s so. It\u0026#39;s almost unfair, isn\u0026#39;t it? Yeah, the guy\u0026#39;s just so smart and everything Right. We had some great. We had some great conversations and yeah, this was. You know the fact that there\u0026#39;s nothing else you can do but what I\u0026#39;m doing habitually on a daily basis. That\u0026#39;s the only path. It\u0026#39;s not. That\u0026#39;s the thing is there\u0026#39;s no, it\u0026#39;s not like this monumental effort because it\u0026#39;s a big mountain to climb, you know. To get to the top of, you know, mount 100 pounds or whatever, you know, the ultimate benchmark is. But to climb to the top of that mountain just requires that you\u0026#39;ve got to take steps every day. There\u0026#39;s no possible way to get to the top in one day, and that\u0026#39;s where it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And nobody gets more than one day every 24 hours. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s exactly right. So having that benchmark of 1% a week as what you can safely and consistently lose is just that, it\u0026#39;s just stacking those things, and a day a week is the perfect, I think, amount unit of measurement, because it\u0026#39;s you can\u0026#39;t really that\u0026#39;s the most important, more than the daily even you know like the variation in one day. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s more important over a week that you take that. So that\u0026#39;s all I\u0026#39;m focused on is the week, and we\u0026#39;re already at the routine I\u0026#39;ve already got. I\u0026#39;m very comfortable with consistency and habit, so I don\u0026#39;t need a lot of variety in things. If I find certain things we\u0026#39;ve got now some meal combinations that really work for me, and if I can just, you know, stay on that track and continue to have the accountability, I think it\u0026#39;s an inevitability, you know, is just the watching it happen. Well, it\u0026#39;s like you\u0026#39;re a profit activator, I mean just moving that to another thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, if you\u0026#39;re doing all late and they\u0026#39;re all contributing to a profit, it strikes me there\u0026#39;s no, there\u0026#39;s nothing to fix. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, exactly. Oh, it\u0026#39;s so funny, right. So, yeah, it\u0026#39;s so funny. I mean just identifying that the key thing for me is just to continue raising the benchmark, right, like I\u0026#39;m raising my from 4,000 to 5,000 steps it\u0026#39;s the minimum on my way to 10,000, you know, yeah, Do you measure steps or does that matter to you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, it\u0026#39;s not my main focus, but if I get the right number of steps, I get the high number of attendees on my activity. You know, and every, you know, every quarter or so I raise the number. You know the stuff. So I do right now probably average around 6 or 7,000. And yeah, and I\u0026#39;ve done 10,. You know, on some days, you know, when it\u0026#39;s kind of walk in nature day, I\u0026#39;ll get more than that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut you know but I\u0026#39;m doing a lot of things like my big thing that I\u0026#39;ve been working on for four months is I never get in trouble with my meals. I get in trouble with snacking between meals, and so I\u0026#39;ve eliminated that and I\u0026#39;m down, you know, five or six pounds just by doing that. Wow, yeah, yeah. So you know. Anyway, first of all, kudos to just you know. It really strikes me that Dean Jackson doesn\u0026#39;t do anything and stick with it unless it makes intellectual sense. That\u0026#39;s true, probably, yeah, no, I mean. Yeah, I mean unless I mean you know your habits and you know your. Yeah, we all have a measurement system on what constitutes progress. Yes, and my sense is until you get the way of something you can do every day, yeah, it\u0026#39;s an intellectual satisfying, you don\u0026#39;t do it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And a lot of people try to make it emotional, emotional, you know that you know and everything that, but you can\u0026#39;t sustain it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And even if it is, even if you get to the point, I agree with you 100%. By the way, I don\u0026#39;t perceive it as emotional, but you know that often that\u0026#39;s. You know well what\u0026#39;s the cause of this kind of thing you know. But the reality is that even if you were to uncover an emotional issue, that still requires them that intellectually you have to figure out what\u0026#39;s the mechanics of what needs to actually happen. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know it\u0026#39;s like getting to the bottom of an emotional issue isn\u0026#39;t, on its own, going to solve the problem, the same way that you know, figuring out the mechanics of what actually needs to happen. Yeah, happen, yeah. That\u0026#39;s really the bottom line, but I\u0026#39;m very encouraged. This feels like a very different level of, you know, systemic change. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s happened here, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well it\u0026#39;s a process you know. The process consists of you know and you keep. Every time I talk to you, you\u0026#39;re adding some new habit to it. Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And my sense is that once you get the momentum of 10 good habits, you\u0026#39;re motivated to have 20 good habits. I agree 100%. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I agree, because that then becomes a great game. You know, that\u0026#39;s the I love to game-a-five things. That keeps us interested, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, I have a meeting in. Five Minutes with Daniel White. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And who\u0026#39;s staying with us in Chicago? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Chicago. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Awesome. So, but I\u0026#39;ll be, I\u0026#39;ll. I have you in my calendar for next Sunday. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Awesome. I\u0026#39;m not so we\u0026#39;re going to be in Toronto next Sunday. You are going to be because on my calendar it says no Dan podcast. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but we have, but I will be there, okay, perfect. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Fantastic. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And in the same time. So Okay, Perfect Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Bye, bye, bye. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"\r\nIn today's episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we explore an array of interesting topics tied together by their connection to our daily lives. We have a lighthearted discussion about daylight saving time, examining its peculiar origins in agriculture and ongoing debate over its usefulness today. \r\n\r\nOur conversation then shifts to commerce, as we investigate the rise of giants like Amazon amid discussions around intellectual property infringement. Having faced knockoffs ourselves, we relate battle stories and consider how trademarks can defend creators in the capitalist arena. \r\n\r\nFinally, we delve into personal growth fueled by transformative daily habits. I detail my health journey underscored by mentorship, diet changes, and movement.\r\n","date_published":"2024-03-27T11:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/c5859e97-7311-4356-9b35-4d783ffffb6a.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":35914327,"duration_in_seconds":2989}]},{"id":"52b48c6c-8d91-4e81-b9ab-aec25e5d4353","title":"Ep123: Innovative Habits for Personal Achievement","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/123","content_text":"In today's episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, I share insights from my experience at the Cloudland Summit. We discuss the carefully constructed approach to selecting impactful speakers and crafting their messages. \n\nDan and I explore deeper implications of habits. From influencing personal growth to organizational culture and nations. Recent tech and political events show how biases stem from ingrained habits. \n\nWe cover self-tracking progress through a daily habit-scoring system and cooking's role in health, wealth, and innovation. Overall, it's a thought-provoking look at intentional living and leveraging the mundane for extraordinary results.\n\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\n\n\n    We discuss the Cloudland Summit and how major tech breakthroughs often come from the convergence of three pre-existing technologies.\n    I share insights from my upcoming book \"Everything is Created Backward,\" suggesting that innovation stems from remixing the past.\n    We explore Perplexity, an AI tool that aids in research by suggesting further inquiries and providing references.\n    We analyze the creation of iTunes as an example of innovation by combining existing elements in novel ways.\n    I introduce the 'Top 50 Tool' I've devised to identify and refine daily habits that shape our lives and future selves.\n    We examine the role of present habits in shaping our future selves and the effectiveness of setting goals for personal growth.\n    We touch on the biases of Google's chatbot and the financial repercussions of such biases on a company's valuation.\n    We discuss the number 51's significance in politics and business and the importance of counting fundamentals.\n    We talk about the transformative power of cooking habits on health and wallets, and the broader implications on personal and national success.\n    We tease the introduction of a new tool designed to track and score daily progress, highlighting the importance of consistent habits.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean: Mr Sullivan, yes, it's Welcome to cloudland at time. \n\nDan: Amen. I heard it's being recorded, so that's half the job right there. \n\nDean: Yeah, and it's never going to let you down. \n\nDan: That's right, Well, yeah what a what a whirlwind week. It was so good to see you and babs and everybody. \n\nDean: We were shooting for one meal and we were shooting for one meal and that kind of ended up as five. \n\nDan: Yes, what what can happen. Oh, that's, yeah. Nothing wrong with that. I like it. They were all playful. \n\nDean: Yeah. Yeah, it was really interesting because I spent probably a day preparing for the Friso summit for our listeners. We just had our annual being the top level of strategic coach and and we have this every year it's it's a meeting Squeezed in between two drinking parties. Oh man, that's funny. Yeah, the meeting is so you can recover for the first from the first drinking parties so that you're ready to go for the second one. \n\nDan: And I'll tell you what. I sold that to those pokeballs short, that was those are delicious. \n\nDean: Yeah, I always find that alcohol is the almost failproof Of 10 times multiplier. There you go one dollar invested in alcohol Somewhere along the line, that always produces the 10 times positive result. \n\nDan: Oh, good, that's noted. \n\nDean: Yeah, I'm not sure that marijuana does that. \n\nDan: Oh no. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, anyway, yeah, but I spent a day on that conference and. What I did is we chose the speakers and then alanora called each of them to see if that was okay and we specified the topic, and that was all done by you know, alanora. And then what I did is I wrote a fast filter for each of the speakers, not on what they were going to talk about, but how they were going to talk, okay. And I thought it worked really well. I thought it worked really well. \n\nDan: It really did. I mean the panels were, you know. It seemed like the whole thing moved quickly. Everybody was bringing valuable insight, even just the. The resources they were recommending, especially your. The ai panel, was fantastic, not too much. You know I I immediately came back and started using perplexity and I downloaded perplexity as so let we should probably set the stage for what perplexity is as a chat, gpt alternative and combined with kind of Google and yeah, well, it's interesting because I've done it on about 10 different Questions, you know. \n\nDean: I asked a question and then I get an answer and uh then, but it's got Uh two neat things about it. At down below it has three more questions that you might ask. Okay, three more. \n\nDan: Um, yeah, on the topic. \n\nDean: That first of all gives you the original answer, and then it suggests three more things you might look into. \n\nBut, at the top it's got four boxes and these are references that you can go to that indicate where it got you know the information to answer your question. \n\nAnd if you do all, if you do the first thing. And what I was asking was mark mills, who is a tech Thinker. He thinks a lot about what technology is doing to the world and he mentioned in one of his books it's called the cloud revolution that if you look at technology, almost all the breakthroughs happen as a result of combining three existing technologies. And he goes back and he goes rake back to Samuel Morris in the mid 19th century with the telegraph, and then he comes all the way forward to not to ai, but to when how the internet came into existence. You know, he puts the internet and talks about the three things that had to be there first before you could even think about Creating this new technology. And the reason is I'm writing a quarterly book right now which is called everything is created backward, and and what I mean by that is that you can't you can't create the future out of the future, because there's nothing there. \n\nDan: Right right. Where's the stuff you know First of all, I've never been rendered in the simulation. Here it's unrendered. Yeah, nobody's ever been nobody's ever been there. \n\nDean: You know they I mean. But the problem with it is that you have to do a awful lot of convincing With something you try to create out of the future, you know and but I gave the anxiety. \n\nI just wrote the first chapter, but the actually the introduction, and I use itunes as the example that steve jobs simply took three things that already existed. One was the mp3 player, which he apple already had. The ipod Okay, it already had millions of people already using the ipod, so he had a build-in. He had a build-in audience to go through with something new. The second thing is that nabster had already pretty well figured out how you use the internet to download single songs. \n\nYes, okay and their only problem with their model was that it was illegal. They were stealing, they were stealing and that's that. Never has long shelf life. \n\nDan: They were sharing something they were sharing. \n\nDean: No, they weren't sharing, they were stealing. They were stealing other people's property and making money on it. \n\nYeah, that's called theft, and and then apple had its operating system, so it was the mp3 player, the nabster innovation with the internet and the apple, you know, apples operating system for all of its computers, which it had many more already existing Customers, you know customers were already using it. And then he put it together and he created iJudon. You know it was an app that went on your apple platform and you could download music and then put it in your ipod. \n\nDan: That's great and you're right, like it's. I see the triple play the things now I can. Just I'm looking at it. \n\nDean: I mean, if you look at, artificial intelligence and work backwards as a result of three things. I haven't really analyzed that, but it seems to be three things that had to exist before, and so what I'm suggesting in the book is that the key to your future is actually what you're doing with the past, your past experience, what's available to you, yeah, and so that's. I think that's a tremendous breakthrough. I think this is a keen insight. \n\nDan: Yeah, I mean, what was a keen insight for me? My biggest takeaway from the free zone. \n\nDean: I was looking for a little bit more excitement on your part. \n\nDan: No, I'm totally excited and this is where it's. It's related to what you're saying that when we had the conversation about Looking back at the habits that you've established, oh, yeah, now, yeah, that's what I meant is that, looking working Backwards, like that, everything that we've created right now is the some, you know, the accumulation of all of the Daily habits that I have instilled, right, the behaviors and habits and choices, and that only you know. I think it goes in that. I think that fits with what you're saying, that you can't. It's not about, you know, picking something in the future. When you said, what are the habits, what are the daily present habits of future dan or future dean, of where you want, and that's the real thing is that having to establish, though, those habits? Yeah, I've had a couple more thoughts. \n\nDean: I've had a couple of birth thoughts since we talked in palm beach about how you could approach this, and so one of things and I have a tool that I've created which really hasn't gone into the program at all. It's called the top 50 tool and it's just a page and it's got 50 boxes, okay, and what you do, and what you do is when you have a number of things. So let's just Apply it to the present project. You have 50 existing daily Habits right now. Everybody does, you know everybody in the world and I'm just arbitrarily picking 50. \n\nYeah, my sense is it's if you put all the habits, the little things that you've woven together to produce who you are today. \n\nYeah you know it could be in the hundreds, you know hundreds or thousands, but you know it fills up the time. Yeah, you can account for it. Yeah, in the 24 hours, and then the waking hours. Probably there's probably habits you have at life and nighttime which bear Examination. But I said okay. So the first part of the project is just create a sheet. That's got, you know, it's got 50 boxes. You know five by 10, okay, okay, and number them one through 50. And then just you know, and every day as you go through, observe something else. For example, in our house I do the dishes, okay. \n\nMm-hmm babs cooks and I do the dishes. So usually it hangs around, you know it hangs around. We have supper. You know we have not so much breakfast, but we had lunch and dinner and there's dishes and I just put them next to the sink, close to the dishwasher, and then I go about doing something and then I, and then you know I open the dishwasher and there's a previous meals already, clean dishes there, so I have to unload it and you know, put everything in the shelf and then I load it. \n\nOkay, and it's not a kind of how that I really like doing, but it's the agreement, you know Okay, so within the last three weeks I've adapted as soon as the meals finished, I do the dishes, okay. And in order I put the dishes in the dishwasher, and in order to do that, before the meal I look at the dishwasher and I unload it and put everything away so that when the meals finished, it's just a matter of rinsing the dishes and putting them in a dishwasher. \n\nWell that's two habits. That's two habits right there. Okay, so they would go down in boxes. You know two of the boxes, okay, but once I do it, and I'm doing it the way that I would like to see it, see me doing it in the future, you know. \n\nAnd you know, and sometimes we have staff in the house and they do it so that it gets taken care of, but it's not my, but when it's just Babs and me at our home and at our cottage. You know, two homes in Toronto, and a home in Toronto, a home in Chicago and then a cottage up north in Canada. Anyway, and I'm the dishwasher, you know. \n\nDan: And I had to do it. \n\nDean: So I said, since I'm gonna be doing this for the rest of my life, I might as well you know kind of improve it so that I actually enjoy the activity. \n\nDan: Yes, I really like this, Dan, Like you're saying the same thing. I mean the things that have been triggered from our conversation about it in Palm Beach. You know, Like you just described, it's one of those things If, even if you ask yourself the question is there any way to not do anything? I mean, the thing is that the dish has gotta get done. \n\nDean: Well, the other thing that's part of my relationship with Babs, you know, and she's commented a couple of times during the last two weeks and she said I really like it that you get it done right away. Yeah. \n\nDan: Oh, there you go. Yeah, that's your target audience. Right there, I'm getting social proof from your target audience. That's the exact thing. \n\nDean: This is. I can tell you, this is my number one target audience. Yeah, so let's say you go through and you fill up your 50, okay. \n\nYou know, you get them. You know, maybe I'll take you two or three weeks and you just notice little things. You know how you get up in the morning, you know, you know how you get ready for the day and everything, but there's a lot of little habits. There's a lot of little habits there, and then you sort of reach 50 and you say now, how many of these? How many of these tomorrow, can I improve? I'll look at the habit. \n\nAnd then I'll say to myself how would I like this always to be going forward? And then you do it that way. You do it that way, and then you have to attach a point system to it, so you're scoring every day. Because, I don't stick to things I can't score. \n\nDan: Right, well, you may like, dan, there's James Clear just launched his. \n\nAdams app, which is Adams A-T-O-M-S, and he's the guy that wrote you know Atomic Habits and this is exactly what you are talking about here. You know you can make, you can create habits that you want you can, and it gives you prompts or you can track. It's almost like wind streak in a way, right when you're adding things on it, but daily you can. So I set up my first habit that I set up just on Wednesday or Thursday I downloaded the app. Actually, I set up that I said I want to start with the first thing in the morning that I drink half a liter of water, the 500 milliliters of water. \n\nThe first thing that I do when I wake up to rehydrate and do that. So I've done that. Now I've had Thursday, friday, saturday, sunday four rounds of that and it tracks your streak and it shows you your progress and so I've had four total repetitions so far. And the way they set it up is you put a purpose around the habit, like why you're trying to do this right. So the habit is that it's always like a place and a time and a reason. I think right, so it's a vote. And when they do your thing, when they give you the report, it's like congratulations, that's four votes for your healthy dean or whatever You're making. Every day you're making a vote. \n\nDean: I think that's great yeah. \n\nDan: I'm voting for this. So habits is the name of the, or Adams is the name of the app on iTunes. \n\nDean: It's done in the app store, right. \n\nDan: It's in the app store and it's just a yellow stacking yellow with like a white stacking thing. \n\nDean: But yeah, I've periodically over the last dozen years been conferences for James's, you know, and I've always enjoyed his take on things. \n\nDan: Yeah, and that's I mean. I like this Dan a lot. This is kind of gamifying thing. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: Now. \n\nDean: I can tell you what my if you call it my top 50 tool. Then there's a little arrow in each of the boxes and what you do is you press the arrow and it takes you to a page where you develop your criteria for what constitutes a great habit. \n\nOkay and then you attach numbers to the to that, and there's room, I think, for 10 criteria. Okay, and then you go through, and one of them is that I want to be more and more doing habits every day that are going to last the Rest of my life. \n\nYes so that's that would be one criteria and I give my, I can establish the range, and and then you all you have to do is the criteria for one, and then that applies the criteria to all of them, and Then, as you go along, you start improving the criteria, and the moment you improve the criteria, it improves it for all of them. \n\nOkay, and then, as you go through, you notice that certain certain habits get a better importance score than others and it automatically, automatically prioritizes the 50, that this is number one, this is number two, this is number three. Rate to 50. What do you think about that? I really I mean would you? \n\nDan: like to get that. \n\nDean: Would you love to get? \n\nDan: that. Where would one get one of these? \n\nDean: Only from a particular person. Yeah, and it's right. Now, it's a file maker file, a file maker no longer Exists, but that this continues to work. Okay, this continues to work, okay, so I'll just send you the file maker oh, I like that a file maker form and, as you're going along, what it does is it give. I mean, I think the combination of the atom, the atom app and this tool probably Complets the circle it might be. \n\nDan: I mean, I'd love to discuss what you're describing. \n\nDean: Here's the tip sounds like as you go along, there's habits that are less important and they don't belong on the top 50. So there's another backup 50 and that they're in the backup 50. \n\nDan: Okay, the farm team. \n\nDean: Yes. Yes you can't have major league without a farm team. That's exactly right. \n\nDan: I, like you know what's very. What's really interesting about this, dan, is if I was really Reflecting on my accumulated daily habits, right, if I look at what are my observable habitual behaviors? Right, and I went through the way I went through it was looking at the vignettes of each day, like looking at a timeline from the, the moment I wake up and and I was saying, you know, I have established Really good sleep habit of you know, my sleep window is Very uniform, my, you know, I woke up this morning I'm, you know, 8786 on my sleep and readiness score for my or ring. I get enough deep sleep and all that. So I've established that habit of Really a really good sleep window there. \n\nThen I started looking at, you know, my observable, if we were just somebody was following me around, logging my movements, like in a computer program or whatever, like just line items like Lining, describing every step or everything that I took part of. It is, you know, look, replacing now looking for the opportunities, like where do I want to establish this habit? And I think that little window of you know right, when I get up the first, you know the first hour of being awake. \n\nWhat do we want those habits to look like? Yeah, would future deans habits be? \n\nDean: You know something there are constraints and deans, future habits. You know what? They are deans present habits? \n\nDan: are yes, that's exactly it. I get it and that's what you're saying. I'm like you. \n\nDean: Do anything in the future now you can't do anything in the future. You can only do things in the present. Yeah, the future. \n\nDan: That's exactly right. \n\nDean: Yeah, but I've been around the tech people and you know I mean, like the environmental movement, no more fossil fuels. That's a bullshit, is such a bullshit goal Because 80% of all the energy on the planet comes from fossil fuels. Okay, the other thing is that the people have these kind of goals are really not very good at getting anything done. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: They went to university. They've been in university for six years, you know they've been in school since they were four years old. They've never actually done anything in the real world, you know and. But they're going to change the entire structure of the world and the problem is that it's not a plausible goal. Like no fossil Fields, you know, the other one is no borders. You know the thing we shouldn't have borders. Well, there are borders and people will kill for the borders. \n\nYeah, right, but the thing is the people who set these type of goals in the future are some of the most incompetent people on the planet and it's really interesting that the the way you described it there. \n\nDan: All these people, they're not accountable for the day we have. They're talking. They're just going and admonish people about this future. There's no fossil fuel because it's not actionable. \n\nDean: It's not actually, and what they're trying to generate is tax money. They're trying to generate Donations. They're trying to but without ever producing any kind of satisfactory result you know, yeah, because they're just painting the ideal. \n\nDan: And I wonder, how do we do that in our own lives? I mean, well, the big thing. \n\nDean: Well, one of my things that have occurred to me is that all your goals for the future are actually you Operating, you personally as an individual operating at a higher level of capability, you know I mean you know, if you have a, you have one house and you have a house, another house that's bigger, it's better. \n\nYou know it's got far more, it's more in the right place, it's. You know it's got about 10 Better criteria that you could say. And you say, well, that's my goal and I said no, that's actually the result of you being a Different and more productive person in the future. So every goal you have to bring back that it's you as a person operating at a higher level. You're making more money, you know, and that's number one. You know, yeah, and in order for you to make more money, you've got to look at what you're doing right now to make money and improve it. There may be, between you and that house, there may be, 10 Improvements that you have to make to how you're making money right now. Yes, yeah, this is yeah maybe eight profit activators. \n\nDan: Which one? \n\nDean: all the profit activators are habits, aren't they? \n\nDan: they are, yeah. Yeah, you're absolutely right with metrics. I mean, that's part of the thing I think is that's measurable, right, everything you're describing. That be a good habit horrible habits. Yeah, huh, yeah, and I was dawned on me how long these habits, many of them, have been established. Like, I like your idea of the ranking of the habits. I mean that's it's, you know the numbering them, you know there's probably a Habit you know, but this is endless pursuit. It feels like you know an endless. Well, it's a daily person. \n\nDean: It's a daily improvement activity. You know because what I'm finding? I've been doing this for about four months. Daily habits, and the first one and what I've been doing is I've been going to Buenos Aires. I've done it three times, for the fourth that's coming up in two weeks. \n\nAnd and there's basically six weeks before visits to Buenos Aires. So I said I'm going to create a 42 day cycle of changing certain habits. Okay, oh, wow, anchors is something right. Well, you anchor it in time, you give it a, and then so that's. You know, six weeks is 42 days. It's an odd time period and that intrigues me, you know. So I've got these 42 improvement, 42 day improvement periods. \n\nDan: And then I say Just a lot to support the 42 is that. You know they say it takes 21 days to establish a habit and 42 is just twice that. So you get two cracks at 21 days to establish. \n\nDean: You just explained why I did it. You just explained why I did that, but I didn't know that. \n\nDan: There you go. No, that's great, though right Like that's a. \n\nDean: I'm doubling down. Yeah, yeah yeah, I hadn't seen that. I had not seen that. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: Anyway, but what I did? The first one, it was very simple no snacking between meals. I don't get into trouble with meals. I get in trouble with what happens between meals. Okay, okay. \n\nDan: And. \n\nDean: I aced it, I aced it, I aced it over 42 days, and then I started adding so the second one had two or three habits, the third one, you know, the 42, because I'm getting used to it, okay, and you know. And then all of a sudden I said pay attention to all your habits and just do it right. If there's something you have to do that day, do it the way you would like to have it done in the future, and then give yourself points for that. You know, and so. But there's an enormous Well. First of all, there's a dopamine hit to it, because it means that every day is valuable for learning and growth, and that's a, you know, that's a great thing. \n\nDan: This is fascinating because that dopamine is healthy. Good, you're the beneficiary of the dopamine compared to like watching. \n\nDean: You're your own dealer, yeah. \n\nDan: Be your own dopamine dealer. \n\nDean: Be your own dealer. \n\nDan: That's a great title for a quarterly book, Ben. \n\nDean: I just logged in. \n\nDan: I mean, that's the truth. \n\nDean: You never know. Anytime you talk to Dan, to Dean, you're going to get a new quarterly book out of it. \n\nDan: Sometimes you get a major market book out of it. You never know. \n\nDean: That's a good habit, that's a good habit. I don't know what it is about, dean, but anytime I'm around him I can count about you know, half a year down the road, and something he said is now a book. Oh wait for this. \n\nDan: You know what the elegance of your 42, the 42 days, six weeks is? That you could get two rounds of that per quarter. It's just another nice, elegant fit. \n\nDean: Well, you can get basically 42, you can get two rounds and basically oh right, then a quarter yeah. \n\nDan: You can yeah 12 weeks. \n\nDean: And then you get some free days to. Yeah. \n\nDan: Go wild, I'm better. Yeah, enough of this structure. \n\nDean: Enough of this structure, you know. But the interesting thing about it is you're actually, every time you improve a daily habit, you're exponentially improving your future. Yes, yes. And it's the only way. Yeah. \n\nAnd the thing is, there's certain habits you would like to change today, but you have to change some other habits before you can get to it. Yeah, so yeah, I'll give you an example. I've been listening to people talking about intermittent fasting. Yeah, Like you go a weekend without eating. I said no, I'm not anywhere near that. But what I've noticed is on Saturday and Sunday I can have 16-hour periods between meals. \n\nDan: Okay, yeah. \n\nDean: And I said, you know so, on Saturday we have dinner at three o'clock in the afternoon and then I don't eat again until so that's nine hours before midnight, and then I have, you know, I eat breakfast at seven and then that's 16 hours. \n\nDan: Okay, yep. \n\nDean: And that's intermittent fasting. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: And I can do the same thing on Sunday over Sunday night and breakfast. So I said, no, I'll just start off. Once on a weekend I'll do it. And now I'm at the point where I can do it twice on a weekend. You know people said well, you know, it doesn't matter, unless you do it for a couple of days. And I said I can't do it for a couple of days. \n\nDan: Right. \n\nDean: My habits. Don't support it yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, and I mean I don't know what to do about it. \n\nDean: So whenever people say you should do something, you have to check back and say, ah, interesting, but my habits don't support what you're talking about. \n\nDan: Right, right. Yeah, this is amazing. I mean, I'm not really a dashboard and scorecard, but you're totally in control of that. \n\nDean: You won't. \n\nDan: Yeah, you're the only one who knows the habits? \n\nDean: You're the only one that knows how you want the habits to be in the future. Here. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: There's complete agency here on the part of an individual. You know, and you can know all the ramblings of other people about what you should do and you have to do this. No, it's not so. It's bullshit Right. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, I mean this is yeah. And then there's a. There's a guy, rob Dierdek. I don't know if you know him. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did mention him. \n\nDan: Okay, yeah, that you know. Everything that we're talking about is exactly. You know what he's on board with. Everything he's talking about is Dave Tuchad, chad Jenkins. \n\nDean: Willard oh Chad Jenkins. \n\nDan: Chad Jenkins I gave him and Steve Dastante actually, yeah, Rob Dierdek back to back two podcasts called the most unrelatable podcast episode you'll ever listen to. And it was him describing to the what ends he goes to track and quantify and establish his daily habits. And it's fascinating, I mean just to see, you know, make things inevitable, you know. \n\nDean: Yeah, and there one thing that makes you appreciate that nervous systems are really different. You know human nervous systems are really. You know, what appeals to one person doesn't appeal to other people, and I think that's a tough nut to crack for a lot of people, because they want what they're doing to be the truth. And I said well, it is the truth. \n\nDan: It is the truth. \n\nDean: It is the truth, but don't go beyond yourself with it. You know, you know and and I think it has a lot to do with your you know your early experiences in life, what you got used to doing, what you like to do, things that you didn't like, and I think and these are forming before we have the ability to be conscious about them. \n\nDan: How many of your habits Dan in on looking at your list are 50 year old oak trees? Oh, yeah, yeah, I mean some of the habits are oh yeah. Yeah. \n\nDean: Some of them are. Some of them are beyond 75 years. \n\nDan: Right, and some of them you know. \n\nDean: I'm probably not going to fool around with those. \n\nDan: No. \n\nDean: Not at first, not at first. Do not take on a 75 year habit. Right, exactly, yeah, but it's really interesting Now, as you know, this happens to if we we can shift the context. I've been very interested in the, the reason why, in the last two weeks, google has lost $90 billion it's market value because of that Right. Because of a stupid AI chat. Okay. \n\nDan: Yeah, I don't know what happened, so you know well what they do. \n\nDean: it's a new chat chat bot that, when you put in directions, it'll create graphics for you. Okay, Okay. I'll give you an example. A guy says can you give me a picture of Vikings? And it comes back and they're all black. \n\nDan: Okay. \n\nDean: Now. Vikings were the whitest people in the world. \n\nDan: Yes, right, right. \n\nDean: Northern European. Not much sunlight, you know. \n\nDan: Yes. \n\nDean: So, anyway, and that says show, give me a picture of the founding fathers of the United States. And there are a whole bunch of them sitting on that table and a number of them were black. So what? Okay, so just giving you the general context, that what's being reflected in the Google chat bot is the dominant political views of the organization. Interesting, isn't it so? And they're getting such backlash. Well, their stock valuation went down by 90 billion in about a week and a half, 90 billion they just dropped, you know, their stock value. \n\nNow I would interpret that as someone giving you feedback. Right, right. \n\nDan: Right. \n\nDean: Right, you know, because what a stock price is an estimation of the future value of something you know and what I realize is that now they're scrambling. They had everybody had to work all this weekend to correct the problem. But the problem isn't their chat bot, the chat. The problem is Google's dominant thought process. Okay, so what's being reflected in any organization's cloudlandia presence is what their mainland habits are. I mean I don't think you can communicate too much beyond what your dominant habits are as an individual and as an organization. \n\nDan: Yeah, this is you know, and I wonder if that so you're thinking like the Google things as reflecting their own biases are coming through in the stuff that it's how do I? \n\nDean: that they have a bigger game to change how people think you know I think they do. You know, and you know, and you know, and maybe they shouldn't be that ambitious. Maybe they should just change the way that they think. \n\nDan: Yeah, there's no. It's so amazing to me that there really is no. Like it's difficult now to get objective stuff, to get objective information without that. You know I saw that sort of you see it coming through in the biggest companies like Google, all the media, the mainstream, meta, meta, yeah, that, you see the whole. You know I look at. I was sharing with you the headline, you know, when Donald Trump just won South Carolina by a landslide. You know over 60% of the votes, 39% to Haley, and the headline on Drudge was 40% of Republicans don't want Donald Trump. \n\nIt was like, what an amazing like flip of not mentioning the historical trouncing that she got in her own home state. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah well, you know you know, in politics and in business the number 51 is really important. I tell people you know, when you own a business. There are two numbers that matter 51 and 49. 51 is the same as 100%, 51 is the same as 100% and 49 is the same as zero. Yeah, you don't understand the difference, the crucial difference, between 51 and 49, you're gonna have a rough life. You're gonna have a rough life. \n\nYeah, and he has won three more tomorrow, and they were. You know, they were equal to the that he's been achieving everywhere else. He's now. There's now been seven states and he's won all seven. Yeah, but 40% of people don't want him. \n\nDan: Yeah, 40% of Republicans don't want Donald Trump. That's right. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the interesting, I think next Tuesday there's 15, you know, there's like 15, it's called. Super Tuesday Super Tuesday, yeah yeah, super Tuesday, and probably he'll be up by 22,. It'll be 22 to nothing by the end of Tuesday night, you know. And he said, and she'll be saying I'm gaining on him. \n\nDan: Gaining on him. Don't give up yeah. Yeah, yes but it's like, it's like 22, 22 flesh wounds. Right, exactly, yes, I'm not dead yet I'm not dead yet Just a stump. \n\nDean: no legs, no arms, but I can still bite you. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, I can still bite you I can't quite. \n\nDean: I can't quite figure out what her lawn game is by doing this short. You know her short term activity. I can't figure out what her lawn term plan is. \n\nDan: Yeah, this. I mean what a year this is gonna be. It's gonna be a great year. \n\nDean: This is a I think this is a tectonic shift year, and it's not just in the States. That happened in Argentina when we were down there, the new you know the new government that came in. It happened in Holland. It's kind of happening all over the world right now that people who know how to count are replacing people who don't know how to count. \n\nDan: Yes, so amazing, Dan. I'm excited about the, about this, the 50. I'm excited to get that too. \n\nDean: Yeah, I'll, I'll be in the office tomorrow and I'll have our tech team send you it. And it's just, you know, you just punch on it and it opens up and it's self-explanatory. There's it's called the top 50 tool. And then you know, you use 50 boxes on the first page and then you have a backup page that has 52 and you just start listing them and then you wanna grade them in terms of their priority as a habit, and then I think it fits in really well with what James is doing. \n\nDan: Yes, I'm just that's the only habit I've established on there so far, but I think it's really, yeah, it's really, I think gonna be a great thing because you can anchor it to times, you know, like when you want to, when you want to establish this habit, like you were saying the dinner, the dishes, is what are you, how are you triggering that in measuring? So you're saying-. \n\nDean: Well, you never lose if you do a habit that's from the past and it's not what you want in the future. You don't lose points if you do that. There's no losing points. You can only gain points, okay. \n\nDan: Okay. \n\nDean: So I've got a daily scorecard, okay, and like in the first 42 days, in. I've got a total of 122 points for you know, sticking to no snacks between meals. \n\nDan: Oh good, that's great. So you're keeping like the tally of it. \n\nDean: Yeah, I'm keeping a tally. And then when I go back to Buenos Aires and I said, next time I'm coming back and I you know, I don't remember exactly, but I added two or three more habits, you know, to it and as you're going through the day, you're becoming more and more conscious of your daily habits. If you do it 10 days in a row and you're tracking habits, the next habits on the list will suggest themselves to you. You don't have to go looking for them. You know you don't have to go looking for them, they're looking for you now. \n\nDan: They want to get points they want to get points and they build. You get the momentum of the feedback too, right? Yeah, you know. Did Babs know what you're up to, or did she? Yeah, and just your observation. \n\nDean: She's starting to do it herself. I mean, she was inspired to start. You know, start doing it. She won't do it to the maximum way that I do, because that's not what she does. But she knows she's with me, so she knows things will get better. \n\nDan: Right, right right. \n\nDean: Yeah, I'm around a good habit-forming person. I mean, that's just, I'll just hook on and I know things will get better, but anyway, yeah, and. But you know, what it's doing is that all humans are completely equal and that they only get 24 hours per day. That's true. \n\nDan: That is true, your comment, the speed of reality. \n\nDean: That's the speed. That's the speed of reality. \n\nDan: Yeah, and I don't. I mean, it's funny when you say it. When I first started thinking about it I thought you know, is that too obvious? But it's, yeah, I think it's one of those. It's been right there. \n\nDean: Well, the other thing that I can tell you a lot of the problem they're having in their life is they don't account for that truth, right? \n\nDan: yeah, I think that's really the thing, right. It's tuning into the speed of reality and looking at the only times. The only time we can really have any action is today, and there's a hard stop. I mean, there's a hard stop on it that your sleep, you know, is a. There's no possible way for us to do anything tomorrow. \n\nDean: Yeah, and the only impact you can have on yesterday is what you're changing today. \n\nDan: Yes, and that's the thing I was having. So Joe Polish came up, came back with me from Palm Beach. He just left yesterday, but he spent three to four days with me here and I mean, we went through, we set up my total environment here for success, you know, in terms of eating, and we went through my kitchen and cleared out everything that isn't supporting the habit of future healthy being right, and we went through that kind of it was. So we were talking about the four C's two is the commitment, and then courage and capability. And so we went I don't cook and I've never cooked. I've never. You know, yeah, I've never cooked. \n\nNo, don't really have any skill in that, but we went. \n\nDean: That means that if we catch you cooking, we know something that's deeply wrong. That or? \n\nDan: deeply right. \n\nI mean we went and got an Instapot. I don't know if you've heard of this device, but so the Instapot is a miracle vessel. I mean, you just put stuff in and push a button and then it cooks. It's like. So we went to the grocery store and we got some, you know, some organic chicken legs and chicken thighs and chicken breast, and we got some grass-fed ground beef 90-10 and we got some. We've had some. We've cooked the entire the whole four days that he was here. And so the thing is now I left this with a new capability, right Like. So now I've got and I said to Joe it's kind of like reframing. I think it's almost like getting back to my, to building a primal habit of going to the grocery store and hunting some dinner, hunting food. \n\nRight, go, hunt some chicken and bring it home and clean it and cook it and enjoy and eat it, you know, but how easy Rather than having food hunting you. Absolutely, that's exactly right. \n\nAnd so that capability, you know, like we, we literally just take the chicken, wash it some salt and pepper, put it in the pot, put some potatoes in there on top, whole, you know whole, just washed, you know, Yukon gold or gold potatoes, put it in there, press the button 11 minutes and it's the most delicious. Whole, you know whole, some. No, no oils, no anything. It's just so clean, right, You've got organic chicken, you've got the stuff, and it's delicious. And then we, you know, got on the pan. \n\nI learned some pan skills right Of being able to, just with some butter in the pan, you know, grass fed, organic butter, of course, and putting. We got some steaks that were like, thin cut. We got some pork chops that were thin cut, ground beef, all of those, just the same thing, just taking the meat, salt and pepper and a little bit of, if I wanted to add any spice or whatever to it, cook it on, you know, both sides, and there you go. We even chopped up zucchini and squash into little medallions and sauteed them in the in the pan. So this capability now of being able to see this is a better habit to do than well driving through somewhere, right. \n\nDean: The big thing is that it's got a future reference, that you have a sense of who you'd like to be in the future as an individual. You know and you can only be that in relationship to the habits that you form right. Because you know, there's part of our day which requires focus. Concentration because it's new stuff, yeah, and therefore the habits have to be good. When we're not focusing directly on the activity, you have to have great habits, you know yeah and and yeah. \n\nthe book I just came out with the great meltdown is that the US is the top country in the world because it's got the best widespread habits of people using innovative skills to lower the cost of money, lowering the cost of energy, lowering the cost of labor, lower cost and no country in the world can possibly match it. You know, yeah, yeah, the prices of things are up and down, unpredictable around the world, and but the US has a habit of always trying to lower the cost of anything. \n\nyou know yeah and other countries don't have this, and so you know. You can see the difference between Canada and the United States right now. I mean it's really extreme. From the last time you were here, the difference the average per capita income in the United States is now lower than the per capita income of Mississippi. \n\nDan: Wow, the United States, the in. \n\nDean: Mississippi is number 50 and per capita income and the average. Canadian is now below, below the per capita is in the low Wow, yeah, I wasn't. \n\nDan: it wouldn't have expected that. \n\nDean: Yeah, and not only that, they don't freeze to death in Mississippi. Right that's exactly right. At least I got that going for them and that's basically. You can measure it from when the president, prime minister, came in, has been going downhill since this prime minister came in because he wants to save the world. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's interesting, right, that's been funny to watch the. You know my algorithm, for you know, sending me things, video clips and stuff is now I get a lot of those, Pierre Polly. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, smart guy. I had breakfast with him about five years ago. Yeah, smart guy, very smart, yeah, and from Alberta French speaking from Alberta, that's a pretty good. You know, that's a pretty good background. \n\nDan: You know he's got a triple. \n\nDean: That's a triple play Canadian that's a triple play for a Canadian. That's French, french. \n\nDan: I mean that's, he's got it all covered because, it just doesn't get it. \n\nDean: And then his wife is from Venezuela, she's a refugee. So she knows what a country gone wrong early looks like yeah, oh, that's funny. Yeah, yeah, and you know, so so anyway, but you can just see the difference that the United States is better at handling milk costs than Canada is. \n\nDan: Yeah, wow. Well, dan, I'm excited, this is great. Seven days? Yeah, well, I'll tell you the tool I can promise you you'll have the tool by this time. \n\nDean: Not this time, but by the end of the day. Tomorrow you'll have top 50 tool and just play around with it. I mean it's self-explanatory, you don't have to. There's no rule book that comes with it. You'll just play with it. Just remember, in every square where you put something, if you press the arrow it takes you to the criteria page. Okay, perfect. \n\nDan: I'll do it. \n\nDean: Yeah. Okay, then I'm interested in the teamwork between the top 50 tool and the Adams app. That'll be really interesting because I've been lacking a daily scoring system. You know, people won't stay with something unless they can score on a daily basis. That's the truth. \n\nDan: That is true. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: I can't wait. \n\nDean: All right. \n\nDan: I'll see you. I can't wait. I'll have it tomorrow. \n\nDean: All righty. Thanks, Dan. I'll be on next week if you are, I am absolutely Okay. \n\nDan: Okay, thanks, dan, okay, bye, bye. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn today\u0026#39;s episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, I share insights from my experience at the Cloudland Summit. We discuss the carefully constructed approach to selecting impactful speakers and crafting their messages. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eDan and I explore deeper implications of habits. From influencing personal growth to organizational culture and nations. Recent tech and political events show how biases stem from ingrained habits. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe cover self-tracking progress through a daily habit-scoring system and cooking\u0026#39;s role in health, wealth, and innovation. Overall, it\u0026#39;s a thought-provoking look at intentional living and leveraging the mundane for extraordinary results.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul style=\"list-style-type: circle;\"\u003e\n\u003c/center\u003e\n\n    \u003cli\u003eWe discuss the Cloudland Summit and how major tech breakthroughs often come from the convergence of three pre-existing technologies.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eI share insights from my upcoming book \"Everything is Created Backward,\" suggesting that innovation stems from remixing the past.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe explore Perplexity, an AI tool that aids in research by suggesting further inquiries and providing references.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe analyze the creation of iTunes as an example of innovation by combining existing elements in novel ways.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eI introduce the 'Top 50 Tool' I've devised to identify and refine daily habits that shape our lives and future selves.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe examine the role of present habits in shaping our future selves and the effectiveness of setting goals for personal growth.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe touch on the biases of Google's chatbot and the financial repercussions of such biases on a company's valuation.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe discuss the number 51's significance in politics and business and the importance of counting fundamentals.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe talk about the transformative power of cooking habits on health and wallets, and the broader implications on personal and national success.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe tease the introduction of a new tool designed to track and score daily progress, highlighting the importance of consistent habits.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Sullivan, yes, it\u0026#39;s Welcome to cloudland at time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Amen. I heard it\u0026#39;s being recorded, so that\u0026#39;s half the job right there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and it\u0026#39;s never going to let you down. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s right, Well, yeah what a what a whirlwind week. It was so good to see you and babs and everybody. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We were shooting for one meal and we were shooting for one meal and that kind of ended up as five. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, what what can happen. Oh, that\u0026#39;s, yeah. Nothing wrong with that. I like it. They were all playful. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah, it was really interesting because I spent probably a day preparing for the Friso summit for our listeners. We just had our annual being the top level of strategic coach and and we have this every year it\u0026#39;s it\u0026#39;s a meeting Squeezed in between two drinking parties. Oh man, that\u0026#39;s funny. Yeah, the meeting is so you can recover for the first from the first drinking parties so that you\u0026#39;re ready to go for the second one. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I\u0026#39;ll tell you what. I sold that to those pokeballs short, that was those are delicious. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I always find that alcohol is the almost failproof Of 10 times multiplier. There you go one dollar invested in alcohol Somewhere along the line, that always produces the 10 times positive result. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, good, that\u0026#39;s noted. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I\u0026#39;m not sure that marijuana does that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh no. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, anyway, yeah, but I spent a day on that conference and. What I did is we chose the speakers and then alanora called each of them to see if that was okay and we specified the topic, and that was all done by you know, alanora. And then what I did is I wrote a fast filter for each of the speakers, not on what they were going to talk about, but how they were going to talk, okay. And I thought it worked really well. I thought it worked really well. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It really did. I mean the panels were, you know. It seemed like the whole thing moved quickly. Everybody was bringing valuable insight, even just the. The resources they were recommending, especially your. The ai panel, was fantastic, not too much. You know I I immediately came back and started using perplexity and I downloaded perplexity as so let we should probably set the stage for what perplexity is as a chat, gpt alternative and combined with kind of Google and yeah, well, it\u0026#39;s interesting because I\u0026#39;ve done it on about 10 different Questions, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I asked a question and then I get an answer and uh then, but it\u0026#39;s got Uh two neat things about it. At down below it has three more questions that you might ask. Okay, three more. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Um, yeah, on the topic. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That first of all gives you the original answer, and then it suggests three more things you might look into. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut, at the top it\u0026#39;s got four boxes and these are references that you can go to that indicate where it got you know the information to answer your question. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd if you do all, if you do the first thing. And what I was asking was mark mills, who is a tech Thinker. He thinks a lot about what technology is doing to the world and he mentioned in one of his books it\u0026#39;s called the cloud revolution that if you look at technology, almost all the breakthroughs happen as a result of combining three existing technologies. And he goes back and he goes rake back to Samuel Morris in the mid 19th century with the telegraph, and then he comes all the way forward to not to ai, but to when how the internet came into existence. You know, he puts the internet and talks about the three things that had to be there first before you could even think about Creating this new technology. And the reason is I\u0026#39;m writing a quarterly book right now which is called everything is created backward, and and what I mean by that is that you can\u0026#39;t you can\u0026#39;t create the future out of the future, because there\u0026#39;s nothing there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right right. Where\u0026#39;s the stuff you know First of all, I\u0026#39;ve never been rendered in the simulation. Here it\u0026#39;s unrendered. Yeah, nobody\u0026#39;s ever been nobody\u0026#39;s ever been there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know they I mean. But the problem with it is that you have to do a awful lot of convincing With something you try to create out of the future, you know and but I gave the anxiety. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI just wrote the first chapter, but the actually the introduction, and I use itunes as the example that steve jobs simply took three things that already existed. One was the mp3 player, which he apple already had. The ipod Okay, it already had millions of people already using the ipod, so he had a build-in. He had a build-in audience to go through with something new. The second thing is that nabster had already pretty well figured out how you use the internet to download single songs. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYes, okay and their only problem with their model was that it was illegal. They were stealing, they were stealing and that\u0026#39;s that. Never has long shelf life. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They were sharing something they were sharing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No, they weren\u0026#39;t sharing, they were stealing. They were stealing other people\u0026#39;s property and making money on it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, that\u0026#39;s called theft, and and then apple had its operating system, so it was the mp3 player, the nabster innovation with the internet and the apple, you know, apples operating system for all of its computers, which it had many more already existing Customers, you know customers were already using it. And then he put it together and he created iJudon. You know it was an app that went on your apple platform and you could download music and then put it in your ipod. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s great and you\u0026#39;re right, like it\u0026#39;s. I see the triple play the things now I can. Just I\u0026#39;m looking at it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, if you look at, artificial intelligence and work backwards as a result of three things. I haven\u0026#39;t really analyzed that, but it seems to be three things that had to exist before, and so what I\u0026#39;m suggesting in the book is that the key to your future is actually what you\u0026#39;re doing with the past, your past experience, what\u0026#39;s available to you, yeah, and so that\u0026#39;s. I think that\u0026#39;s a tremendous breakthrough. I think this is a keen insight. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean, what was a keen insight for me? My biggest takeaway from the free zone. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I was looking for a little bit more excitement on your part. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I\u0026#39;m totally excited and this is where it\u0026#39;s. It\u0026#39;s related to what you\u0026#39;re saying that when we had the conversation about Looking back at the habits that you\u0026#39;ve established, oh, yeah, now, yeah, that\u0026#39;s what I meant is that, looking working Backwards, like that, everything that we\u0026#39;ve created right now is the some, you know, the accumulation of all of the Daily habits that I have instilled, right, the behaviors and habits and choices, and that only you know. I think it goes in that. I think that fits with what you\u0026#39;re saying, that you can\u0026#39;t. It\u0026#39;s not about, you know, picking something in the future. When you said, what are the habits, what are the daily present habits of future dan or future dean, of where you want, and that\u0026#39;s the real thing is that having to establish, though, those habits? Yeah, I\u0026#39;ve had a couple more thoughts. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve had a couple of birth thoughts since we talked in palm beach about how you could approach this, and so one of things and I have a tool that I\u0026#39;ve created which really hasn\u0026#39;t gone into the program at all. It\u0026#39;s called the top 50 tool and it\u0026#39;s just a page and it\u0026#39;s got 50 boxes, okay, and what you do, and what you do is when you have a number of things. So let\u0026#39;s just Apply it to the present project. You have 50 existing daily Habits right now. Everybody does, you know everybody in the world and I\u0026#39;m just arbitrarily picking 50. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, my sense is it\u0026#39;s if you put all the habits, the little things that you\u0026#39;ve woven together to produce who you are today. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah you know it could be in the hundreds, you know hundreds or thousands, but you know it fills up the time. Yeah, you can account for it. Yeah, in the 24 hours, and then the waking hours. Probably there\u0026#39;s probably habits you have at life and nighttime which bear Examination. But I said okay. So the first part of the project is just create a sheet. That\u0026#39;s got, you know, it\u0026#39;s got 50 boxes. You know five by 10, okay, okay, and number them one through 50. And then just you know, and every day as you go through, observe something else. For example, in our house I do the dishes, okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eMm-hmm babs cooks and I do the dishes. So usually it hangs around, you know it hangs around. We have supper. You know we have not so much breakfast, but we had lunch and dinner and there\u0026#39;s dishes and I just put them next to the sink, close to the dishwasher, and then I go about doing something and then I, and then you know I open the dishwasher and there\u0026#39;s a previous meals already, clean dishes there, so I have to unload it and you know, put everything in the shelf and then I load it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOkay, and it\u0026#39;s not a kind of how that I really like doing, but it\u0026#39;s the agreement, you know Okay, so within the last three weeks I\u0026#39;ve adapted as soon as the meals finished, I do the dishes, okay. And in order I put the dishes in the dishwasher, and in order to do that, before the meal I look at the dishwasher and I unload it and put everything away so that when the meals finished, it\u0026#39;s just a matter of rinsing the dishes and putting them in a dishwasher. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWell that\u0026#39;s two habits. That\u0026#39;s two habits right there. Okay, so they would go down in boxes. You know two of the boxes, okay, but once I do it, and I\u0026#39;m doing it the way that I would like to see it, see me doing it in the future, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd you know, and sometimes we have staff in the house and they do it so that it gets taken care of, but it\u0026#39;s not my, but when it\u0026#39;s just Babs and me at our home and at our cottage. You know, two homes in Toronto, and a home in Toronto, a home in Chicago and then a cottage up north in Canada. Anyway, and I\u0026#39;m the dishwasher, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I had to do it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So I said, since I\u0026#39;m gonna be doing this for the rest of my life, I might as well you know kind of improve it so that I actually enjoy the activity. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I really like this, Dan, Like you\u0026#39;re saying the same thing. I mean the things that have been triggered from our conversation about it in Palm Beach. You know, Like you just described, it\u0026#39;s one of those things If, even if you ask yourself the question is there any way to not do anything? I mean, the thing is that the dish has gotta get done. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, the other thing that\u0026#39;s part of my relationship with Babs, you know, and she\u0026#39;s commented a couple of times during the last two weeks and she said I really like it that you get it done right away. Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, there you go. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s your target audience. Right there, I\u0026#39;m getting social proof from your target audience. That\u0026#39;s the exact thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e This is. I can tell you, this is my number one target audience. Yeah, so let\u0026#39;s say you go through and you fill up your 50, okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, you get them. You know, maybe I\u0026#39;ll take you two or three weeks and you just notice little things. You know how you get up in the morning, you know, you know how you get ready for the day and everything, but there\u0026#39;s a lot of little habits. There\u0026#39;s a lot of little habits there, and then you sort of reach 50 and you say now, how many of these? How many of these tomorrow, can I improve? I\u0026#39;ll look at the habit. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then I\u0026#39;ll say to myself how would I like this always to be going forward? And then you do it that way. You do it that way, and then you have to attach a point system to it, so you\u0026#39;re scoring every day. Because, I don\u0026#39;t stick to things I can\u0026#39;t score. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, well, you may like, dan, there\u0026#39;s James Clear just launched his. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAdams app, which is Adams A-T-O-M-S, and he\u0026#39;s the guy that wrote you know Atomic Habits and this is exactly what you are talking about here. You know you can make, you can create habits that you want you can, and it gives you prompts or you can track. It\u0026#39;s almost like wind streak in a way, right when you\u0026#39;re adding things on it, but daily you can. So I set up my first habit that I set up just on Wednesday or Thursday I downloaded the app. Actually, I set up that I said I want to start with the first thing in the morning that I drink half a liter of water, the 500 milliliters of water. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe first thing that I do when I wake up to rehydrate and do that. So I\u0026#39;ve done that. Now I\u0026#39;ve had Thursday, friday, saturday, sunday four rounds of that and it tracks your streak and it shows you your progress and so I\u0026#39;ve had four total repetitions so far. And the way they set it up is you put a purpose around the habit, like why you\u0026#39;re trying to do this right. So the habit is that it\u0026#39;s always like a place and a time and a reason. I think right, so it\u0026#39;s a vote. And when they do your thing, when they give you the report, it\u0026#39;s like congratulations, that\u0026#39;s four votes for your healthy dean or whatever You\u0026#39;re making. Every day you\u0026#39;re making a vote. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that\u0026#39;s great yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m voting for this. So habits is the name of the, or Adams is the name of the app on iTunes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s done in the app store, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s in the app store and it\u0026#39;s just a yellow stacking yellow with like a white stacking thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But yeah, I\u0026#39;ve periodically over the last dozen years been conferences for James\u0026#39;s, you know, and I\u0026#39;ve always enjoyed his take on things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and that\u0026#39;s I mean. I like this Dan a lot. This is kind of gamifying thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I can tell you what my if you call it my top 50 tool. Then there\u0026#39;s a little arrow in each of the boxes and what you do is you press the arrow and it takes you to a page where you develop your criteria for what constitutes a great habit. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOkay and then you attach numbers to the to that, and there\u0026#39;s room, I think, for 10 criteria. Okay, and then you go through, and one of them is that I want to be more and more doing habits every day that are going to last the Rest of my life. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYes so that\u0026#39;s that would be one criteria and I give my, I can establish the range, and and then you all you have to do is the criteria for one, and then that applies the criteria to all of them, and Then, as you go along, you start improving the criteria, and the moment you improve the criteria, it improves it for all of them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOkay, and then, as you go through, you notice that certain certain habits get a better importance score than others and it automatically, automatically prioritizes the 50, that this is number one, this is number two, this is number three. Rate to 50. What do you think about that? I really I mean would you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e like to get that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Would you love to get? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e that. Where would one get one of these? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Only from a particular person. Yeah, and it\u0026#39;s right. Now, it\u0026#39;s a file maker file, a file maker no longer Exists, but that this continues to work. Okay, this continues to work, okay, so I\u0026#39;ll just send you the file maker oh, I like that a file maker form and, as you\u0026#39;re going along, what it does is it give. I mean, I think the combination of the atom, the atom app and this tool probably Complets the circle it might be. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, I\u0026#39;d love to discuss what you\u0026#39;re describing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Here\u0026#39;s the tip sounds like as you go along, there\u0026#39;s habits that are less important and they don\u0026#39;t belong on the top 50. So there\u0026#39;s another backup 50 and that they\u0026#39;re in the backup 50. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, the farm team. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Yes you can\u0026#39;t have major league without a farm team. That\u0026#39;s exactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I, like you know what\u0026#39;s very. What\u0026#39;s really interesting about this, dan, is if I was really Reflecting on my accumulated daily habits, right, if I look at what are my observable habitual behaviors? Right, and I went through the way I went through it was looking at the vignettes of each day, like looking at a timeline from the, the moment I wake up and and I was saying, you know, I have established Really good sleep habit of you know, my sleep window is Very uniform, my, you know, I woke up this morning I\u0026#39;m, you know, 8786 on my sleep and readiness score for my or ring. I get enough deep sleep and all that. So I\u0026#39;ve established that habit of Really a really good sleep window there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThen I started looking at, you know, my observable, if we were just somebody was following me around, logging my movements, like in a computer program or whatever, like just line items like Lining, describing every step or everything that I took part of. It is, you know, look, replacing now looking for the opportunities, like where do I want to establish this habit? And I think that little window of you know right, when I get up the first, you know the first hour of being awake. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWhat do we want those habits to look like? Yeah, would future deans habits be? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know something there are constraints and deans, future habits. You know what? They are deans present habits? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e are yes, that\u0026#39;s exactly it. I get it and that\u0026#39;s what you\u0026#39;re saying. I\u0026#39;m like you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Do anything in the future now you can\u0026#39;t do anything in the future. You can only do things in the present. Yeah, the future. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s exactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but I\u0026#39;ve been around the tech people and you know I mean, like the environmental movement, no more fossil fuels. That\u0026#39;s a bullshit, is such a bullshit goal Because 80% of all the energy on the planet comes from fossil fuels. Okay, the other thing is that the people have these kind of goals are really not very good at getting anything done. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e They went to university. They\u0026#39;ve been in university for six years, you know they\u0026#39;ve been in school since they were four years old. They\u0026#39;ve never actually done anything in the real world, you know and. But they\u0026#39;re going to change the entire structure of the world and the problem is that it\u0026#39;s not a plausible goal. Like no fossil Fields, you know, the other one is no borders. You know the thing we shouldn\u0026#39;t have borders. Well, there are borders and people will kill for the borders. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, right, but the thing is the people who set these type of goals in the future are some of the most incompetent people on the planet and it\u0026#39;s really interesting that the the way you described it there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e All these people, they\u0026#39;re not accountable for the day we have. They\u0026#39;re talking. They\u0026#39;re just going and admonish people about this future. There\u0026#39;s no fossil fuel because it\u0026#39;s not actionable. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s not actually, and what they\u0026#39;re trying to generate is tax money. They\u0026#39;re trying to generate Donations. They\u0026#39;re trying to but without ever producing any kind of satisfactory result you know, yeah, because they\u0026#39;re just painting the ideal. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I wonder, how do we do that in our own lives? I mean, well, the big thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, one of my things that have occurred to me is that all your goals for the future are actually you Operating, you personally as an individual operating at a higher level of capability, you know I mean you know, if you have a, you have one house and you have a house, another house that\u0026#39;s bigger, it\u0026#39;s better. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know it\u0026#39;s got far more, it\u0026#39;s more in the right place, it\u0026#39;s. You know it\u0026#39;s got about 10 Better criteria that you could say. And you say, well, that\u0026#39;s my goal and I said no, that\u0026#39;s actually the result of you being a Different and more productive person in the future. So every goal you have to bring back that it\u0026#39;s you as a person operating at a higher level. You\u0026#39;re making more money, you know, and that\u0026#39;s number one. You know, yeah, and in order for you to make more money, you\u0026#39;ve got to look at what you\u0026#39;re doing right now to make money and improve it. There may be, between you and that house, there may be, 10 Improvements that you have to make to how you\u0026#39;re making money right now. Yes, yeah, this is yeah maybe eight profit activators. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Which one? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e all the profit activators are habits, aren\u0026#39;t they? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e they are, yeah. Yeah, you\u0026#39;re absolutely right with metrics. I mean, that\u0026#39;s part of the thing I think is that\u0026#39;s measurable, right, everything you\u0026#39;re describing. That be a good habit horrible habits. Yeah, huh, yeah, and I was dawned on me how long these habits, many of them, have been established. Like, I like your idea of the ranking of the habits. I mean that\u0026#39;s it\u0026#39;s, you know the numbering them, you know there\u0026#39;s probably a Habit you know, but this is endless pursuit. It feels like you know an endless. Well, it\u0026#39;s a daily person. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s a daily improvement activity. You know because what I\u0026#39;m finding? I\u0026#39;ve been doing this for about four months. Daily habits, and the first one and what I\u0026#39;ve been doing is I\u0026#39;ve been going to Buenos Aires. I\u0026#39;ve done it three times, for the fourth that\u0026#39;s coming up in two weeks. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd and there\u0026#39;s basically six weeks before visits to Buenos Aires. So I said I\u0026#39;m going to create a 42 day cycle of changing certain habits. Okay, oh, wow, anchors is something right. Well, you anchor it in time, you give it a, and then so that\u0026#39;s. You know, six weeks is 42 days. It\u0026#39;s an odd time period and that intrigues me, you know. So I\u0026#39;ve got these 42 improvement, 42 day improvement periods. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And then I say Just a lot to support the 42 is that. You know they say it takes 21 days to establish a habit and 42 is just twice that. So you get two cracks at 21 days to establish. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You just explained why I did it. You just explained why I did that, but I didn\u0026#39;t know that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e There you go. No, that\u0026#39;s great, though right Like that\u0026#39;s a. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m doubling down. Yeah, yeah yeah, I hadn\u0026#39;t seen that. I had not seen that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Anyway, but what I did? The first one, it was very simple no snacking between meals. I don\u0026#39;t get into trouble with meals. I get in trouble with what happens between meals. Okay, okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I aced it, I aced it, I aced it over 42 days, and then I started adding so the second one had two or three habits, the third one, you know, the 42, because I\u0026#39;m getting used to it, okay, and you know. And then all of a sudden I said pay attention to all your habits and just do it right. If there\u0026#39;s something you have to do that day, do it the way you would like to have it done in the future, and then give yourself points for that. You know, and so. But there\u0026#39;s an enormous Well. First of all, there\u0026#39;s a dopamine hit to it, because it means that every day is valuable for learning and growth, and that\u0026#39;s a, you know, that\u0026#39;s a great thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e This is fascinating because that dopamine is healthy. Good, you\u0026#39;re the beneficiary of the dopamine compared to like watching. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You\u0026#39;re your own dealer, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Be your own dopamine dealer. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Be your own dealer. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s a great title for a quarterly book, Ben. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I just logged in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, that\u0026#39;s the truth. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You never know. Anytime you talk to Dan, to Dean, you\u0026#39;re going to get a new quarterly book out of it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Sometimes you get a major market book out of it. You never know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s a good habit, that\u0026#39;s a good habit. I don\u0026#39;t know what it is about, dean, but anytime I\u0026#39;m around him I can count about you know, half a year down the road, and something he said is now a book. Oh wait for this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know what the elegance of your 42, the 42 days, six weeks is? That you could get two rounds of that per quarter. It\u0026#39;s just another nice, elegant fit. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you can get basically 42, you can get two rounds and basically oh right, then a quarter yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You can yeah 12 weeks. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And then you get some free days to. Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Go wild, I\u0026#39;m better. Yeah, enough of this structure. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Enough of this structure, you know. But the interesting thing about it is you\u0026#39;re actually, every time you improve a daily habit, you\u0026#39;re exponentially improving your future. Yes, yes. And it\u0026#39;s the only way. Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd the thing is, there\u0026#39;s certain habits you would like to change today, but you have to change some other habits before you can get to it. Yeah, so yeah, I\u0026#39;ll give you an example. I\u0026#39;ve been listening to people talking about intermittent fasting. Yeah, Like you go a weekend without eating. I said no, I\u0026#39;m not anywhere near that. But what I\u0026#39;ve noticed is on Saturday and Sunday I can have 16-hour periods between meals. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And I said, you know so, on Saturday we have dinner at three o\u0026#39;clock in the afternoon and then I don\u0026#39;t eat again until so that\u0026#39;s nine hours before midnight, and then I have, you know, I eat breakfast at seven and then that\u0026#39;s 16 hours. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, yep. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And that\u0026#39;s intermittent fasting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And I can do the same thing on Sunday over Sunday night and breakfast. So I said, no, I\u0026#39;ll just start off. Once on a weekend I\u0026#39;ll do it. And now I\u0026#39;m at the point where I can do it twice on a weekend. You know people said well, you know, it doesn\u0026#39;t matter, unless you do it for a couple of days. And I said I can\u0026#39;t do it for a couple of days. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e My habits. Don\u0026#39;t support it yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and I mean I don\u0026#39;t know what to do about it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So whenever people say you should do something, you have to check back and say, ah, interesting, but my habits don\u0026#39;t support what you\u0026#39;re talking about. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, right. Yeah, this is amazing. I mean, I\u0026#39;m not really a dashboard and scorecard, but you\u0026#39;re totally in control of that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You won\u0026#39;t. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you\u0026#39;re the only one who knows the habits? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You\u0026#39;re the only one that knows how you want the habits to be in the future. Here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e There\u0026#39;s complete agency here on the part of an individual. You know, and you can know all the ramblings of other people about what you should do and you have to do this. No, it\u0026#39;s not so. It\u0026#39;s bullshit Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, I mean this is yeah. And then there\u0026#39;s a. There\u0026#39;s a guy, rob Dierdek. I don\u0026#39;t know if you know him. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did mention him. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, yeah, that you know. Everything that we\u0026#39;re talking about is exactly. You know what he\u0026#39;s on board with. Everything he\u0026#39;s talking about is Dave Tuchad, chad Jenkins. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Willard oh Chad Jenkins. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Chad Jenkins I gave him and Steve Dastante actually, yeah, Rob Dierdek back to back two podcasts called the most unrelatable podcast episode you\u0026#39;ll ever listen to. And it was him describing to the what ends he goes to track and quantify and establish his daily habits. And it\u0026#39;s fascinating, I mean just to see, you know, make things inevitable, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and there one thing that makes you appreciate that nervous systems are really different. You know human nervous systems are really. You know, what appeals to one person doesn\u0026#39;t appeal to other people, and I think that\u0026#39;s a tough nut to crack for a lot of people, because they want what they\u0026#39;re doing to be the truth. And I said well, it is the truth. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It is the truth. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It is the truth, but don\u0026#39;t go beyond yourself with it. You know, you know and and I think it has a lot to do with your you know your early experiences in life, what you got used to doing, what you like to do, things that you didn\u0026#39;t like, and I think and these are forming before we have the ability to be conscious about them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e How many of your habits Dan in on looking at your list are 50 year old oak trees? Oh, yeah, yeah, I mean some of the habits are oh yeah. Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Some of them are. Some of them are beyond 75 years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, and some of them you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m probably not going to fool around with those. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Not at first, not at first. Do not take on a 75 year habit. Right, exactly, yeah, but it\u0026#39;s really interesting Now, as you know, this happens to if we we can shift the context. I\u0026#39;ve been very interested in the, the reason why, in the last two weeks, google has lost $90 billion it\u0026#39;s market value because of that Right. Because of a stupid AI chat. Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I don\u0026#39;t know what happened, so you know well what they do. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e it\u0026#39;s a new chat chat bot that, when you put in directions, it\u0026#39;ll create graphics for you. Okay, Okay. I\u0026#39;ll give you an example. A guy says can you give me a picture of Vikings? And it comes back and they\u0026#39;re all black. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Now. Vikings were the whitest people in the world. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, right, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Northern European. Not much sunlight, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So, anyway, and that says show, give me a picture of the founding fathers of the United States. And there are a whole bunch of them sitting on that table and a number of them were black. So what? Okay, so just giving you the general context, that what\u0026#39;s being reflected in the Google chat bot is the dominant political views of the organization. Interesting, isn\u0026#39;t it so? And they\u0026#39;re getting such backlash. Well, their stock valuation went down by 90 billion in about a week and a half, 90 billion they just dropped, you know, their stock value. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNow I would interpret that as someone giving you feedback. Right, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, you know, because what a stock price is an estimation of the future value of something you know and what I realize is that now they\u0026#39;re scrambling. They had everybody had to work all this weekend to correct the problem. But the problem isn\u0026#39;t their chat bot, the chat. The problem is Google\u0026#39;s dominant thought process. Okay, so what\u0026#39;s being reflected in any organization\u0026#39;s cloudlandia presence is what their mainland habits are. I mean I don\u0026#39;t think you can communicate too much beyond what your dominant habits are as an individual and as an organization. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, this is you know, and I wonder if that so you\u0026#39;re thinking like the Google things as reflecting their own biases are coming through in the stuff that it\u0026#39;s how do I? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e that they have a bigger game to change how people think you know I think they do. You know, and you know, and you know, and maybe they shouldn\u0026#39;t be that ambitious. Maybe they should just change the way that they think. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, there\u0026#39;s no. It\u0026#39;s so amazing to me that there really is no. Like it\u0026#39;s difficult now to get objective stuff, to get objective information without that. You know I saw that sort of you see it coming through in the biggest companies like Google, all the media, the mainstream, meta, meta, yeah, that, you see the whole. You know I look at. I was sharing with you the headline, you know, when Donald Trump just won South Carolina by a landslide. You know over 60% of the votes, 39% to Haley, and the headline on Drudge was 40% of Republicans don\u0026#39;t want Donald Trump. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt was like, what an amazing like flip of not mentioning the historical trouncing that she got in her own home state. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah well, you know you know, in politics and in business the number 51 is really important. I tell people you know, when you own a business. There are two numbers that matter 51 and 49. 51 is the same as 100%, 51 is the same as 100% and 49 is the same as zero. Yeah, you don\u0026#39;t understand the difference, the crucial difference, between 51 and 49, you\u0026#39;re gonna have a rough life. You\u0026#39;re gonna have a rough life. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, and he has won three more tomorrow, and they were. You know, they were equal to the that he\u0026#39;s been achieving everywhere else. He\u0026#39;s now. There\u0026#39;s now been seven states and he\u0026#39;s won all seven. Yeah, but 40% of people don\u0026#39;t want him. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, 40% of Republicans don\u0026#39;t want Donald Trump. That\u0026#39;s right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the interesting, I think next Tuesday there\u0026#39;s 15, you know, there\u0026#39;s like 15, it\u0026#39;s called. Super Tuesday Super Tuesday, yeah yeah, super Tuesday, and probably he\u0026#39;ll be up by 22,. It\u0026#39;ll be 22 to nothing by the end of Tuesday night, you know. And he said, and she\u0026#39;ll be saying I\u0026#39;m gaining on him. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Gaining on him. Don\u0026#39;t give up yeah. Yeah, yes but it\u0026#39;s like, it\u0026#39;s like 22, 22 flesh wounds. Right, exactly, yes, I\u0026#39;m not dead yet I\u0026#39;m not dead yet Just a stump. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e no legs, no arms, but I can still bite you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, I can still bite you I can\u0026#39;t quite. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I can\u0026#39;t quite figure out what her lawn game is by doing this short. You know her short term activity. I can\u0026#39;t figure out what her lawn term plan is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, this. I mean what a year this is gonna be. It\u0026#39;s gonna be a great year. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e This is a I think this is a tectonic shift year, and it\u0026#39;s not just in the States. That happened in Argentina when we were down there, the new you know the new government that came in. It happened in Holland. It\u0026#39;s kind of happening all over the world right now that people who know how to count are replacing people who don\u0026#39;t know how to count. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, so amazing, Dan. I\u0026#39;m excited about the, about this, the 50. I\u0026#39;m excited to get that too. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I\u0026#39;ll, I\u0026#39;ll be in the office tomorrow and I\u0026#39;ll have our tech team send you it. And it\u0026#39;s just, you know, you just punch on it and it opens up and it\u0026#39;s self-explanatory. There\u0026#39;s it\u0026#39;s called the top 50 tool. And then you know, you use 50 boxes on the first page and then you have a backup page that has 52 and you just start listing them and then you wanna grade them in terms of their priority as a habit, and then I think it fits in really well with what James is doing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I\u0026#39;m just that\u0026#39;s the only habit I\u0026#39;ve established on there so far, but I think it\u0026#39;s really, yeah, it\u0026#39;s really, I think gonna be a great thing because you can anchor it to times, you know, like when you want to, when you want to establish this habit, like you were saying the dinner, the dishes, is what are you, how are you triggering that in measuring? So you\u0026#39;re saying-. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you never lose if you do a habit that\u0026#39;s from the past and it\u0026#39;s not what you want in the future. You don\u0026#39;t lose points if you do that. There\u0026#39;s no losing points. You can only gain points, okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So I\u0026#39;ve got a daily scorecard, okay, and like in the first 42 days, in. I\u0026#39;ve got a total of 122 points for you know, sticking to no snacks between meals. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh good, that\u0026#39;s great. So you\u0026#39;re keeping like the tally of it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I\u0026#39;m keeping a tally. And then when I go back to Buenos Aires and I said, next time I\u0026#39;m coming back and I you know, I don\u0026#39;t remember exactly, but I added two or three more habits, you know, to it and as you\u0026#39;re going through the day, you\u0026#39;re becoming more and more conscious of your daily habits. If you do it 10 days in a row and you\u0026#39;re tracking habits, the next habits on the list will suggest themselves to you. You don\u0026#39;t have to go looking for them. You know you don\u0026#39;t have to go looking for them, they\u0026#39;re looking for you now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They want to get points they want to get points and they build. You get the momentum of the feedback too, right? Yeah, you know. Did Babs know what you\u0026#39;re up to, or did she? Yeah, and just your observation. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e She\u0026#39;s starting to do it herself. I mean, she was inspired to start. You know, start doing it. She won\u0026#39;t do it to the maximum way that I do, because that\u0026#39;s not what she does. But she knows she\u0026#39;s with me, so she knows things will get better. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, right right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I\u0026#39;m around a good habit-forming person. I mean, that\u0026#39;s just, I\u0026#39;ll just hook on and I know things will get better, but anyway, yeah, and. But you know, what it\u0026#39;s doing is that all humans are completely equal and that they only get 24 hours per day. That\u0026#39;s true. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That is true, your comment, the speed of reality. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s the speed. That\u0026#39;s the speed of reality. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and I don\u0026#39;t. I mean, it\u0026#39;s funny when you say it. When I first started thinking about it I thought you know, is that too obvious? But it\u0026#39;s, yeah, I think it\u0026#39;s one of those. It\u0026#39;s been right there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, the other thing that I can tell you a lot of the problem they\u0026#39;re having in their life is they don\u0026#39;t account for that truth, right? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e yeah, I think that\u0026#39;s really the thing, right. It\u0026#39;s tuning into the speed of reality and looking at the only times. The only time we can really have any action is today, and there\u0026#39;s a hard stop. I mean, there\u0026#39;s a hard stop on it that your sleep, you know, is a. There\u0026#39;s no possible way for us to do anything tomorrow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and the only impact you can have on yesterday is what you\u0026#39;re changing today. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, and that\u0026#39;s the thing I was having. So Joe Polish came up, came back with me from Palm Beach. He just left yesterday, but he spent three to four days with me here and I mean, we went through, we set up my total environment here for success, you know, in terms of eating, and we went through my kitchen and cleared out everything that isn\u0026#39;t supporting the habit of future healthy being right, and we went through that kind of it was. So we were talking about the four C\u0026#39;s two is the commitment, and then courage and capability. And so we went I don\u0026#39;t cook and I\u0026#39;ve never cooked. I\u0026#39;ve never. You know, yeah, I\u0026#39;ve never cooked. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNo, don\u0026#39;t really have any skill in that, but we went. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That means that if we catch you cooking, we know something that\u0026#39;s deeply wrong. That or? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e deeply right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean we went and got an Instapot. I don\u0026#39;t know if you\u0026#39;ve heard of this device, but so the Instapot is a miracle vessel. I mean, you just put stuff in and push a button and then it cooks. It\u0026#39;s like. So we went to the grocery store and we got some, you know, some organic chicken legs and chicken thighs and chicken breast, and we got some grass-fed ground beef 90-10 and we got some. We\u0026#39;ve had some. We\u0026#39;ve cooked the entire the whole four days that he was here. And so the thing is now I left this with a new capability, right Like. So now I\u0026#39;ve got and I said to Joe it\u0026#39;s kind of like reframing. I think it\u0026#39;s almost like getting back to my, to building a primal habit of going to the grocery store and hunting some dinner, hunting food. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eRight, go, hunt some chicken and bring it home and clean it and cook it and enjoy and eat it, you know, but how easy Rather than having food hunting you. Absolutely, that\u0026#39;s exactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd so that capability, you know, like we, we literally just take the chicken, wash it some salt and pepper, put it in the pot, put some potatoes in there on top, whole, you know whole, just washed, you know, Yukon gold or gold potatoes, put it in there, press the button 11 minutes and it\u0026#39;s the most delicious. Whole, you know whole, some. No, no oils, no anything. It\u0026#39;s just so clean, right, You\u0026#39;ve got organic chicken, you\u0026#39;ve got the stuff, and it\u0026#39;s delicious. And then we, you know, got on the pan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI learned some pan skills right Of being able to, just with some butter in the pan, you know, grass fed, organic butter, of course, and putting. We got some steaks that were like, thin cut. We got some pork chops that were thin cut, ground beef, all of those, just the same thing, just taking the meat, salt and pepper and a little bit of, if I wanted to add any spice or whatever to it, cook it on, you know, both sides, and there you go. We even chopped up zucchini and squash into little medallions and sauteed them in the in the pan. So this capability now of being able to see this is a better habit to do than well driving through somewhere, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e The big thing is that it\u0026#39;s got a future reference, that you have a sense of who you\u0026#39;d like to be in the future as an individual. You know and you can only be that in relationship to the habits that you form right. Because you know, there\u0026#39;s part of our day which requires focus. Concentration because it\u0026#39;s new stuff, yeah, and therefore the habits have to be good. When we\u0026#39;re not focusing directly on the activity, you have to have great habits, you know yeah and and yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ethe book I just came out with the great meltdown is that the US is the top country in the world because it\u0026#39;s got the best widespread habits of people using innovative skills to lower the cost of money, lowering the cost of energy, lowering the cost of labor, lower cost and no country in the world can possibly match it. You know, yeah, yeah, the prices of things are up and down, unpredictable around the world, and but the US has a habit of always trying to lower the cost of anything. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eyou know yeah and other countries don\u0026#39;t have this, and so you know. You can see the difference between Canada and the United States right now. I mean it\u0026#39;s really extreme. From the last time you were here, the difference the average per capita income in the United States is now lower than the per capita income of Mississippi. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow, the United States, the in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Mississippi is number 50 and per capita income and the average. Canadian is now below, below the per capita is in the low Wow, yeah, I wasn\u0026#39;t. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e it wouldn\u0026#39;t have expected that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and not only that, they don\u0026#39;t freeze to death in Mississippi. Right that\u0026#39;s exactly right. At least I got that going for them and that\u0026#39;s basically. You can measure it from when the president, prime minister, came in, has been going downhill since this prime minister came in because he wants to save the world. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s interesting, right, that\u0026#39;s been funny to watch the. You know my algorithm, for you know, sending me things, video clips and stuff is now I get a lot of those, Pierre Polly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, smart guy. I had breakfast with him about five years ago. Yeah, smart guy, very smart, yeah, and from Alberta French speaking from Alberta, that\u0026#39;s a pretty good. You know, that\u0026#39;s a pretty good background. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know he\u0026#39;s got a triple. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s a triple play Canadian that\u0026#39;s a triple play for a Canadian. That\u0026#39;s French, french. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean that\u0026#39;s, he\u0026#39;s got it all covered because, it just doesn\u0026#39;t get it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And then his wife is from Venezuela, she\u0026#39;s a refugee. So she knows what a country gone wrong early looks like yeah, oh, that\u0026#39;s funny. Yeah, yeah, and you know, so so anyway, but you can just see the difference that the United States is better at handling milk costs than Canada is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, wow. Well, dan, I\u0026#39;m excited, this is great. Seven days? Yeah, well, I\u0026#39;ll tell you the tool I can promise you you\u0026#39;ll have the tool by this time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Not this time, but by the end of the day. Tomorrow you\u0026#39;ll have top 50 tool and just play around with it. I mean it\u0026#39;s self-explanatory, you don\u0026#39;t have to. There\u0026#39;s no rule book that comes with it. You\u0026#39;ll just play with it. Just remember, in every square where you put something, if you press the arrow it takes you to the criteria page. Okay, perfect. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ll do it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Okay, then I\u0026#39;m interested in the teamwork between the top 50 tool and the Adams app. That\u0026#39;ll be really interesting because I\u0026#39;ve been lacking a daily scoring system. You know, people won\u0026#39;t stay with something unless they can score on a daily basis. That\u0026#39;s the truth. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That is true. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I can\u0026#39;t wait. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e All right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ll see you. I can\u0026#39;t wait. I\u0026#39;ll have it tomorrow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e All righty. Thanks, Dan. I\u0026#39;ll be on next week if you are, I am absolutely Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, thanks, dan, okay, bye, bye. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In today's episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, I share insights from my experience at the Cloudland Summit. We discuss the carefully constructed approach to selecting impactful speakers and crafting their messages. \r\n\r\nDan and I explore deeper implications of habits. From influencing personal growth to organizational culture and nations. Recent tech and political events show how biases stem from ingrained habits. \r\n\r\nWe cover self-tracking progress through a daily habit-scoring system and cooking's role in health, wealth, and innovation. Overall, it's a thought-provoking look at intentional living and leveraging the mundane for extraordinary results.","date_published":"2024-03-20T09:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/52b48c6c-8d91-4e81-b9ab-aec25e5d4353.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":37420162,"duration_in_seconds":3115}]},{"id":"cf5ff4d4-fefe-45e5-a0f9-268ffff259dd","title":"Ep122: The Fusion of Innovation and the Natural World","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/122","content_text":"In today's episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we reflect on serenity in nature and technology, drawing parallels between Cloudlandia and meticulously raked sand. \n\nWoven into our talk is AI and how it's changing everything, from Evan's course helping us out at work to all the crazy experiments shaking things up. We get into how innovation unexpectedly boosted my creativity, which we're calling \"exponential tinkering\". \n\nAs our annual event nears, lessons in \"exponential thinking\" add to the anticipation of a reunited community and potential for growth. \n\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\n\n  Dean and I explore the serenity of Cloudlandia and how it parallels the peacefulness found in Japanese Zen gardens, reflecting on the role of imagination in experiencing digital spaces.\n  We discuss the success of Evan Ryan's AI course within our company and how it has encouraged experiments with AI across different teams.\n  Dean introduces the concept of \"exponential tinkering,\" highlighting how AI is revolutionizing the arts and content creation, with a nod to OpenAI's Sora tool.\n  We contemplate the cultural shift toward immersive experiences like VR, while expressing skepticism about their long-term utility and appeal.\n  Dan recognizes the importance of integrating existing consumer experiences to create innovative products, using Apple as an example.\n  We highlight insights from Mark Mills' book \"The Cloud Revolution\" on the strategic importance of reshoring supply chains and repurposing shopping centers into logistics hubs.\n  We compare Tesla's success to the sustainability challenges faced by other electric vehicle companies that are more dependent on government subsidies.\n  We share anecdotes about the Soviet-era's illusion of luxury, and how modern-day explorers uncover the true state of Soviet infrastructure.\n  We examine the declining enthusiasm for venture capital in the tech world and the concept of \"cruel optimism\" that can be prevalent in this sector.\n  Excitement is expressed for our upcoming annual event, stressing the value of 'exponential thinking' and the potential growth of our community.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean: Mr Sullivan how are you, mr Jackson? \n\nDan: Well, welcome to Cloudlandia. I'm sitting out in my courtyard and it's a little bit of a cold, rainy morning. I don't know if you can hear the rain gently falling in the courtyard. It's relaxing. \n\nDean: Do you have an? \n\nDan: umbrella over your head. No, I'm in a. I have a covered, a covered area here that I'm sitting at about. I don't know what you call it, like a lamina or a loja, I don't know how it is, but it's a covered underroof thing, that's attached to my courtyard. \n\nDean: What you're saying is that there's something between you and this guy. That's exactly it. \n\nDan: I'm not getting rained on, I'm under covered, as they say. \n\nDean: Yeah, well, it's sort of a poignant, almost like a Japanese. Stay right, yeah, this almost feels like a Japanese Zen garden. \n\nDan: here I hear the like the little the water coming off the roof of a tile roof, so that it's very Japanese Zen actually, because the there's a spout that drains the water down into a drain. Yeah, so nice. \n\nDean: Yeah, it's very interesting. When I was a teenager I sort of fell in love with Japanese culture. This would be early 60s, late 50s, early 60s and you know I read the literature, I looked at the artwork. I was interested in their architecture, their history, and then in my military. I was drafted into the US military and got sent to South Korea. And I'm an R and R. Rest and relaxation, that's what they called it. \n\nDan: R and R I went to Japan. \n\nDean: I went to twice, oh nice. And my memory is of being in the mountains, at a place where they really didn't speak English I don't know even now if they you know, having Americans who was part of their experience, but it was perfectly understandable. I mean, the hospitality was so great. But I can remember being in one of these little rooms where they had. They had sliding doors that would open up and you could see the mountain, you could see the water. And I remember it raining, but I was warm and I had tea. \n\nAnd I was sitting there and it sort of corresponded to what my teenage visions had been. I always remember that. \n\nDan: That's great. I love it when stuff like that happens. Well, this would definitely be the kind of day that would be conducive to tea. \n\nDean: And sitting out here. \n\nDan: It was kind of a Zen garden that I have in the courtyard, so it's nice. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah. Speaking of Zen, there's a lot about the jump from the mainland to Cloudlandia that has a Zen-like quality to it, tell me more, tell me more, especially now with the. A lot about it, well, a lot about it. You have to imagine, in other words, that you only get as far in Cloudlandia as your imagination will go. I'm really seeing this. I'm kind of being a creative collaborator with Evan Ryan, still in his 20s, but he's been investigating artificial intelligence for the last 10 years, so he's well into it. \n\nSo basically his adult life has been and he's got a very thriving business and he's got clients from all over the planet. But he wrote one book which was superb. It was called AI as your teammate and he put it together into a six-module coaching course for companies and our entire company went through that. \n\nDan: Oh, wow. \n\nDean: So it's six to our modules and just to the main. Purpose is just to get people over the hump that this is any scarier than any technology that they've already mastered. It's just a new technology. And it did wonders. It did wonders and I can see the last module was probably four months ago and I can see the investigations and the experiments that are going on across the company, each person sort of focusing on something different. \n\nAnd then Evan is writing a new book and I just shared an idea with him and maybe it be a topic that we would discuss today. But I said, there's all sorts of predictions being made by people about where AI is going and where it's going to take us, and both exciting and scary. The predictions are both exciting and scary and what I realized that all these predictions, no matter how expert the person tried to present themselves, was just one person's prediction. \n\nAnd more or less their prediction for everybody else was simply what they wanted to do for themselves, Right. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: And I think Mark Zuckerberg and there's all sorts of people the big tech people and government people and everything, corporate people and I say you're trying to make this a prediction for the world, but it's only probably a prediction for you that this is the direction and what I realized is that there's an exponential breakthrough with AI and it's in the area of tinkering, which is a neat word, yes, Tinkering. So Evan and I talked about it and he's going to. You know, he's developing the idea as exponential tinkering. \n\nDan: And I really like it. Oh, I like that. \n\nDean: That's a good yeah, what a nice combination of words, because, there are kind of two words that are jarring when you put them together, that's very good. \n\nDan: I like that a lot. \n\nDean: Yeah, so what are you tinkering? \n\nDan: with. So I'm tinkering with a couple of things right now and deep into the. Are you talking about technology things? \n\nDean: No, yeah. Well, technology, or specifically AI, are you tinkering at all with it, seeing what it can do? \n\nDan: I'm starting now to. Did you see the latest thing a couple of days ago? The release of Sora, the video creation tool. Now, that was OpenAI did that right. \n\nOpenAI has just I think it's only very limitally open to their top tier, you know, data users or whatever, but the demo reels of it you know, showing what it's capable of, and I mean it's certainly you see now where that's the final piece of the puzzle here, like two things have happened in the last 30 days that have really kind of cement where I see this going. I've been predicting here that 20, that you know, almost like the big change 1975 to 2025 will kind of look and the you know all these exponential improvements reaching the top of the asymptotic curve that there's You're using big words. \n\nDean: Yes, so Asymptotic, asymptotic. I think that deserves a subhead for our listeners. \n\nDan: Okay, Well, asyn, in math when you do exponential, it's exponentially increases, increases, and then it reaches a point where it's just marginally like improving slightly. You know, like there's not really the exponential leap, for instance, of going from. If we just take text, we've gone from, you know, writing it on papyrus or having people hand write stuff. \n\nDean: Chiseled as on. Chiseled as in play. \n\nDan: Whatever. And then Gutenberg was an exponential leap in that, but it got better in terms of when we were able to, you know, create digital photocopy and things like that, and we got to the text file where you could digitize text and that became a PDF. And now so everything you know, the functional like improvement in text, has really reached the top of. There's nowhere really to go from everything ever written available instantly on any device you have. And that same thing has been over the last 25 years, kind of cascading series of those with increasing complexity of them, right? I think it's not. That's the easiest thing to fully digitize is text. \n\nAnd then pictures were the next thing, that you could digitize pictures so we can transfer images, then moving pictures right? Audio, sorry, was next after text, audio images or images, videos. Now we're at the point where you know every piece of media video, audio, text or images is completely digitized. It's available on any device at any time you want it. And this next piece that's falling into place is the ability to generatively create, from description, images and videos that you can describe. And so when you take this Sora, and you take Dali and you take the all the things that are converging with the, with the AI, and we'll give them another two year runway, which would even sort of double their time that they've been in our world Mainstream they'll be fully cemented into the mainstream use. And then you look at what's happening with the release of Apple's new Air Pro goggles, or whatever they're calling them. \n\nDean: Vision Pro. \n\nDan: Vision Pro. \n\nDean: And that is. You know everybody who's going to use any of this. \n\nDan: Exponential tinkerers. \n\nDean: Yeah, but that somebody who's doing it tinkerers. Tinkerers is just someone who's doing it for their own purposes. \n\nYou know they're not trying to create something for anybody else, they're just for example, I gave you the example that I've had a real interest in. You know, I wrote a new book and I had. I was writing a new book and I had one chapter finished and it was how we put our company together, and the chapter was unique ability teamwork. That, basically, a fundamental difference between coach team members and other team members is that we everybody operates according to their own unique ability within unique ability teams. Okay, so that's that, but I've always had a fascination with Shakespeare. You know he's one of my five. \n\nDan: Yes. \n\nDean: You know, five lifetime role models Shakespeare, because he was not only a great poet, a great playwright, a great you know creator of, you know, creator of plays, but he was also a tremendous entrepreneur and he, you know, he created the first company that was self-sustainable and he created a new theater and everything else. So he was very entrepreneurial and seems to have made a pile through theater. \n\nAnd anyway, but I was always fascinated with the language form that was operating in London in the late 1500s and 1600s. So Shakespeare is 1560, 1560, 1660 years and it was called iambic pentameter and it was a structure where there's only 10 syllables per line. You get to the 10th syllable and then you go to a new line, and so I had one of my team members actually go to AI, go to chat GPT and say we would like to translate Dan's copy into iambic pentameter and it was back in 24 hours. \n\nDan: You know came back and I was just fascinated. \n\nDean: I was just fascinated with it because I thought differently about my own thoughts when I saw them come back in a different language form. \n\nIn English but about a different structure. So I was sitting there, I was reading it and I gave it to some of our team and I said what do you think about this? And they said, wow, I get totally new thoughts from reading it. It's, you know, the basic ideas, but they're in a different language form. And I said now what I'd like to do is I hear it like it here. It's spoken, you know, by someone who was really great with Shakespeare's language. \n\nSo it was a very famous actor who we have their recordings of, and so we open my team member, Alex Barley, who is British you know. So he's from the UK, so he has a feel for this type of language and he has a feel for theater. And then he worked with Mike Canig's, great friend of ours and. \n\nMike. Mike gave him two or three other AI programs that he could take a look at and about four days later I get this wonderfully eloquent reading of a whole chapter in Iambic content and I listen to it every week. I listen to it every week and it does things for my thinking. Okay, and I've shown it to a few people. This is a you know. A number of people have listened to it and they're all say, wow, that's amazing. \n\nDan: You did that. \n\nDean: Why'd you do that? Why'd you do that? \n\nDan: Why'd you do? \n\nDean: that Just tinkering? I was just tinkering and I just. I kind of said you know, if I put this together with this and maybe put the two of them together with this, I wonder what it sounds like. \n\nAnd I have no intention of, I have no intention of going any further with it, but it really serves a purpose, that it really influences my own thinking and I've noticed that my writing has changed as a result of listening to this for three or four, three or four months, you know, I just I just get a different take on my own ideas. \n\nDan: And. \n\nDean:\nI call that tinkering, I just call that tinkering. \n\nDan: I like that. \n\nDean: And I believe that with AI, what you have, there was always tinkering in the technology world, but I think what AI does, it makes, it allows tinkering to be exponential. \n\nDan: That's interesting. So there's, I'd say, yeah, you're, there's an artistry to it in a way. \n\nDean: You know, in that there's, it's kind of like doing something for your own pleasure for your own yeah, and your own enhancements you know you see, you see an extension of a capability that you already have, but you can see new dimensions of the capability that you already have and that in itself is the reward, that in itself. And people say well, are you going to? You know, I tell people and they say oh, so are you going to actually produce this? And you know, you know like we produce our books. And I said no, I'm just doing it for my own reasons. \n\nDan: I just like the feel of this. I just like the feel you know and. \n\nDean: I do not think I'm unique in this experience. I think there's a hundred million people doing the same thing with something that kind of fascinates them. \n\nDan: And I wonder if that's the artistic expression gene or something. I mean, that's our internal desire to chase our whims. \n\nDean: You know, in a way, yeah, that's one of the great joys of the the reason I'm saying this is that we're always making the predictions about who the giant tech giant is that's going to dominate this and I said one I don't see it emerging. I think all of them are scrambling like mad so that they don't get left behind. \n\nBut I don't think the idea of tinkering really exists in that world. You know quarterly stock prices, investments that's what they're looking for, you know, and everything else, but I don't see the dominant player, even. You know, even open. Ai is the dominant player. \n\nDan: Have you had some experience? Have you tried the vision pros yet? \n\nDean: No, I don't like goggles. \n\nDan: I don't need. I mean I'm not inclined either. \n\nDean: They're anti social. \n\nDan: I wonder you know it's going to be. I know there'll be a lot of people at Free Zone next week that have them that are, so we'll get a chance to try that for sure. But I know my kenix has it. \n\nDean: I know Leo as his one of the things that I always look at their past stage right now, but it'd be interesting checking their lives down six months from now whether they're actually using them. \n\nDan: That's what I'm curious about, right Like it's so. \n\nDean: I don't need to be first in with anything. \n\nDan: Right, exactly, yeah, yeah, I think that this chasm it's getting, you know, I think it's getting wider and wider, this that there's even now, nuances of going deeper into Cloudlandia, because I think that's like immersively diving into Cloudlandia and I think that there's. Nick Nanton just posted a thing about some big movie director who was tweeted about. You know, just spent the day editing this is a feature movie, mainstream movie director saying you just spent the day editing in the Vision Pros with, in collaboration with his editor, on a big screen. They are theatrical, like movie screen size and just fascinated. He said. \n\nDean: you know, no headache, no anything so I don't know, yeah well, where I think and I felt five, ten years, well, let's say five years ago when people were talking about visual reality, okay. \n\nDan: Yes. \n\nDean: And Peter Diamonis had a lot of proponents of this at Abundance 360 and I was sitting there and I said first of all, every everything that I've seen I find boring and the reason? \n\nbecause what you're seeing is the creation of one brain, and if it's not an interesting brain to begin with, the result of their creation of a VR program is exponentially less interesting. Okay, and what actual reality is good? You know, I look out in my yard and you have the same opportunity there. I look at them and I've got these seven giant oak trees in their yard, I mean they're a hundred, and ten hundred foot oak trees, and the reason I love those trees so much is nobody created them. \n\nThere was no intention for this to happen. It was just a lucky acorn. \n\nDan: Right the result of it. \n\nDean: I mean they produce thousands, millions of acorns in our yard and it's just squirrel food you know, and and it's the nonintentionality that interests me, it's not the somebody's intention, okay, and one person's story really doesn't interest me for the first time if it doesn't include a lot of other people's stories you know, in other words. You're putting that together, so I don't know. I mean, I think there's a fundamental obstacle to all technological breakthroughs, and it's called human nature. \n\nDan: Yeah, this is where that's. What I wonder, is the goggles? Them sound like it. Just it feels like, wow, this is a you know, unless we're at a point where I think the improvement of the vision pros is that you can actually see out of them. \n\nDean: Well, you can see out of them and it's got the thing that I think is really going to make a difference, and that's all augmented reality. Yes, exactly In other words, you're looking at a real thing. Yeah, there are useful pictures, useful data, useful messages on it, and there's useful capabilities, in other words, there's like email and, I'm sure, the design. \n\nYou know design tools and everything that you can do and that, I believe, is good, but it'll only, it'll take hold where the use of this speeds up an economic process that already makes money. But you can speed up an economic process. \n\nDan: I'm seeing that, if everything is, you know, being shaped to drive us deeper into this cloudlandia existence here, that everything's happening in the goggles, that I was just had coffee with Stuart, my operations guy, and we were saying how it seems like there's a trend towards you know, I have you ever heard the term hostile design for architecture where the Starbucks one of the Starbucks here in Winter Haven just went under when it's 10 year renovation and they completely turned it into like a basket robin's? \n\nwhere it's all the character of you know a basket robin's. There's no sense of that third place kind of you know origin that Starbucks started with, where, when Starbucks was first getting started in the 90s, they had, you know, nice design, comfy chairs. It was inviting to come and get a coffee and sit and you know gather kind of thing. And now it's essentially designed with the hey, keep it moving, keep it moving kind of vibe to it. There's no, nothing about the chairs, the seating, it's just literally one long banquette with facing single wooden chairs. You know that, on and round table, so there's no comfort or invitingness to come and linger. \n\nDean: Well, they commoditize, so you know. In other words, yeah they start off at very special places. Yeah, and you know you could go in if you could use it as an office, it could be your office all day if you were I think yeah. \n\nDan: I think that's what happened is that post as we got into the last ten years where it became more, you know, wi-fi is ubiquitous and, you know, demanded in public spaces like that. That you know I was saying to Stuart. My theory about it is that in the 90s and early 2000s the internet was still a place that you had to go to right, like you, yeah, had to go to your computer to go there, and these third places were, of you know, an important part of you're putting that aside and you're coming to this third place to be there and as laptops and Wi-Fi and all these things made it possible that people could go and set up shop in the Starbucks and spend the whole day there, that became defeated, the whole purpose. It wasn't a third place, it was the place. \n\n0:25:06 - Dean:\nYou know, yeah, and the other thing it became every place. You know, I mean, when you commoditize, it's every place. And, and you know, I mean you know. And the other thing is that there was a fundamental change in the Starbucks culture and I can say exactly when it was. It was in the 90s and I think it was probably around 1995. They said there's a risky part of our future and that is we can't guarantee that we're always going to have good baristas okay, because the real right. \n\nThe real skill I mean of Starbucks is who is? Where the baristas who can do the coffee, just right, and they said we can't. You know, it's too risky and that we become too dependent on these people, you know and they said we've got to make it mechanical and what they did immediately is that their espresso drinks, you know, whatever form it came in, was only 80% as good, but it was predictably 80. The moment you give away quality in order to achieve quantity, you've lost all uniqueness. Yeah. \n\nI agree, yeah and that's what they've done. And now the other thing is that they created their own competition because people seeing how a coffee operation works, they went to Starbucks University and got their degree, you know, and it probably take a year to do that and they went out and created their own independent coffee shops. So I think those unique coffee shops still exist, but they're not trying to take over the planet yeah, it's really. \n\nDan: It's interesting. I'm looking for places like that, but you just it's kind of a sad thing. It's almost like you've talked often about the, the black cab knowledge of the drivers in London that they have London, I think London. \n\nDean: London, birmingham and Manchester, I think they have, but the black cabs are the best cabs in the world. Yeah, okay, they're, just there's nothing to compare of what an experienced black cab driver with the black cab experience in the world. There's just nothing like it, and it takes you three years of dedicated study to even pass the test to become a black cab driver, you know and it's very interesting that all of that now can be. \n\nYou know, anybody in their Honda Civic equipped with their iPhone, has the knowledge right on their phone well, actually it worked out, it didn't work out in London right, because Uber came in and they said well, you know, the Uber guys got it, but they have no feel for the city right and yeah, and so within six months of Uber coming in and actually threatening black cab developed its own Uber software, so now they have the Uber software plus the knowledge of the driver yeah, right it's like AI, an AI program defeating world champion, chess champion okay, yeah and within a year, the chess champions just said okay, we've upped the game and now it's us, plus our AI program, against each other. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's very. You know, it's a-. \n\nDean: Humans are infinitely smarter than technology. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's a fascinating time to be approaching your 80th birthday right now too, you know, looking into the next decade here. Yeah, what are you guessing and betting on for the next few weeks? \n\nDean: I'm betting that people's grasp of their past is now their trump card. Okay, that the future is completely and totally unpredictable, okay as far as I'm concerned. \n\nI mean, I think you could predict the future more in the 19th and you know the book you gave me, the 1990, the great change I would think was called the Great Change. If I think back to 1950, where I was alive, I think that the first grade teacher and I had a first grade teacher in 1950, sister Mary Josephia. Sister Mary Josephia, sometime, first grade she says the reason why you're learning this now reading, writing and arithmetic is that when you graduate from high school because nobody went to college in those days- you know, you left high school and you went and got a job. \n\nShe says everybody's going to be looking in the job market at how good you are at reading, writing and arithmetic and showing up on time and finishing what you start and saying please and thank you and everything else. And she was totally correct. In 1962, exactly what she predicted was true. Okay, so try a first grade teacher in 2024, can she predict anything about what a first grader will experience 12 years later? \n\nDan: Yeah, no chance yeah. \n\nDean: And that's just a general condition on the planet. I just think the future is no longer predictable. So what's the unused resource? The unused resource is your past. \n\nDan: Say more about that. What do you mean? The unused resource? \n\nDean: Well, first of all, it's unique. I mean, if I sat down with you and asked you questions about your past and it went on for a year day in day out for a year. Not one thing that you say about your past during that year is anything but unique to you. That's true. Yeah, exactly that's where all the raw material is for creativity. \n\nIt's not in the future, you know and it was so funny because I remember four or five times in abundance 360, peter would invite in people from Google, okay, and they had these moon shots, okay, and what was interesting about them? They were predicting new things in the future that hadn't been imagined yet, okay. \n\nAnd it seems to me like sparse ingredients, but it was what they were up to and there was presentation after presentation and they had videos on YouTube and everything else. And I said is there any customer experience in this? No, there was no customer experience. They were just making it up, you know, and they were sort of, and these teams were in competition with each other who could come up with the most convincing thing? That didn't exist. And then I kept track of it and over a 10-year period they shot all those projects down. They never went anywhere. \n\nDan: Wow, yeah, they never went anywhere. \n\nDean: Yeah, and I said, all you do is let's find three examples of things that people are already enjoying, and can we put them together in a new way and create something new where people already have experience? With at least a third of the new thing you know, and that's what Apple does. Apple never does anything. First they sit there and they say MP3 player, napster, making money doing this Internet. Let's put the three of them together and see where they go. \n\nDan: Yeah, that's smart. They were doing triple plays and didn't even know it. Yeah, well, maybe they were, Maybe they were yeah that's your clever observation of it, right, exactly, yeah, put a framework over it. \n\nDean: There's a great technology thinker by the name of Mark Mills, and he wrote a really interesting book called the Cloud Revolution. Okay, and it's really worth a read. Okay, and what he said? If you go backwards 100 years and you look for all the major technological breakthroughs that have more or less been the mainstream of the last 100 years, he says they you always discover it was never one thing, it was always three things. \n\nDan: Oh really. \n\nDean: He uses the radio, he uses electricity, he uses internal combustion, he uses cars, he uses airplanes, he uses, you know, motion pictures and all the major things air conditioning and everything, and he shows the three things that went together before the breakthrough was possible. Oh wow, and part of the reason is you're putting together already existing habits. \n\nDan: Yeah, that's really. You have to piggyback on something that somebody's already doing, right. \n\nDean: Yeah, that gives them their existing habit, even though you're adding. You know you're adding factors that are two other habits. But you have to get people something solid to stand on before you ask them to take a step into the new. \n\nDan: What was the name of that book? \n\nDean: again, it's called the Cloud Revolution. Okay, the Cloud Revolution. \n\nYeah and he uses an interesting example and this is a prediction he's making for the future. He said, with reshoring take place. So that's one factor the supply chains are going to get shorter and shorter in the future, because COVID sort of proved to everybody that relying products that came from a hundred different places and required 5,000 miles of ocean travel to get to us wasn't reliable for the future products you know, foods and everything. So what? The major thing is that you're going to try to have supply chains were important with things as close as possible to where the customers are. And he said that's one trend. Okay, that's reshoring, that's that process of bringing your manufacturing and your industrialization back to close to you. \n\nThat's one factor. The other factor is no longer obsolete shopping centers, Okay. And he said let's suppose that you just take every obsolete shopping center and you turn it into a combination of warehouse, factory and distribution center, Okay. Okay, All the existing infrastructure is built in. That's already zone. It's got huge parking, it's got some massive, big spaces like the big anchor stores, some massive big spaces. \n\nYou already have delivery docks, you have truck docks that go underground and people go yes and everything. And he says but it's obsolete for the purpose it was created for. But he says if you think about it as a nexus point for trade supply routes in other? Words the raw material will come in and then supply routes going out to the actual customers. And he says all of a sudden you got a new use. \n\nBut people are used to shopping centers, people work in shopping centers, you know and everything else he says well, you know, and they have major, usually they're situated where there's major transportation routes, there's major highways, there's, you know. I mean probably the best shopping centers are in places that have, you know, highway access. They have air airline, you know, ups, and so that he says just look, look at a lot of stuff that already exists. Put it together in a new way and people's habits already supported. \n\nDan: That's smart. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: I like those things, so that fits in with the whole. Jeff Bezos, you know what's not going to change in the next 10 years model, looking not at what's going to change, but what's not going to change, because that's what you can anchor on. \n\nDean: Yeah, it's kind of like I'm just watching all the EV companies, the electric vehicle companies, with the exception of Tesla, because they've got a unique, established niche. \n\nI don't think any of the other companies that are based on a profit motive are making that forward, shutting, cutting back. Volkswagen is cutting back, gm is cutting back, everybody's cutting back, because they're losing anywhere from $30,000 to $70,000 on a vehicle and it doesn't look like it's going to get any better. Okay, and then, but what made it unnatural is the fact that you had to have massive government insistence for it to even get off the ground. \n\nDan: Yeah, you just kind of hit something on the head there, because Elon Musk has definitely thrown his hat over the fence on electric vehicles and it is dominating the market for it, because he's all in on that, which is something that Ford and Volkswagen and all these companies can't do. They're not, they're only like dabbling in the electric vehicle markets, you know. \n\nDean: Yeah they did it because there were massive subsidies, there was math, you know, and the states like California were mandating. You know, you know, and by 2035 we won't have any fossil fuel vehicles. Okay, and you know, if the strong arm of government's gonna come on and just forbid the alternative, well, of course we're going to invest our future in it. But those governments are going to be thrown out. I bet the government in California is throwing out within 10 years, I mean you know, by the way, that that just reminded me of something. \n\nDan: I just watched the Tucker Carlson interview with Putin. Did you see that? \n\nDean: Yeah, Parts of it. I saw a part Okay. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, nothing extraordinary about that. That wasn't what I was getting to. But while Tucker was in Russia, he did a series of short Videos that were just kind of exploring what is it actually like in a, you know, post sanctioned Russia that you know, yeah, since they put sanctions in place and you know, and it was funny because he was describing, you know, like every visual that we have of, you know, communism in Russia is, you know, empty shelves and limited supply and limited Choice and utilitarian things. So he went, he did a interesting series where he went to a Russian Supermarket to see, okay, so what is it like like? What's day-to-day life like in Russia under sanctions during wartime? \n\nAnd it was, you know, the most fascinating like grocery store where you go in and it's the shelves are stopped with Everything you could imagine, all these things. It's a beautiful, clean store, very modern. Everything about it was amazing. They filled up their basket with what would be, you know, a week's worth of groceries for a family of four kind of thing, what you would get if you were kind of feeding a, a family of four and they, you know, found everything. They they wanted a beautifully you know, fresh baked bread, all the staples that you could need. They filled them all up. They all him and the producers kind of guessed that they would have, you know, $400 or 400 worth of groceries if they were buying it in America, kind of thing which was their frame of reference and Turns out they got all of that stuff for like a hundred and four dollars is what it's what it costs. \n\nDean: Yeah, don't you find it fascinating that he found the one supermarket in all of Russia where that was. \n\nDan: That's what I wonder. That's what I want. \n\nDean: No, that's not you think he went there just have passers-by on his own, I don't like to go. Oh yeah, yeah, the Soviets had one in Moscow. It was right near the Kremlin. It was called gum GUM, if you look it up on Wikipedia. Huh, capital G, capital U, capital M, and you went in and it was just well-dressed shoppers, everything you know, I think that's that's might have been where he was. That might have been it, oh yeah, and it's, and it's a show place, it's a show play and that's what they found when they found out the history of it. \n\nShoppers would go in and they would come out the front door and then they go around the block, go through the black door Backdoor and give back everything that they had bought, and then it was restocked on the shelves. \n\nDan: Oh boy. \n\nDean: They were all actors. \n\nDan: Oh, wow, very interesting. I wondered the same thing, because they did. He went to a subway station that he admittedly said was the most beautiful. So we never seen a subway station as nice anywhere in in America and it was. They showed the footage of it. You know, beautiful artwork and chandeliers and steam, cleaned cleanliness and, no, no graffiti, all of those things. And it did have the sense of. Is this a show place? Because there's an interesting YouTube channel. There was a gentleman from the UK and his channel is called bald and bankrupt and what he does is he goes just solo with a single camera and he was touring all these Soviet Territories. All the outposts, you know, like that were the height of the thing, to compare, and every one of it is Just like everything is run down. And you know all of the Soviet Union, you know post Communism is completely, you know, run down. And what you would expect, right, what you would that, your Vision of it, and I think that you kind of just hit it on the head. That's that it's more likely. \n\nDean: That's like a show place or a yeah that that subway system was put in the 1930s. Okay, they had the boss of it, was cruise ships, cruise ships came in the fame Because he put in. But there was. There was no Limit on cost and there was no limit on how many people died. Building, they asked, made about 20,000 workers died. Putting in the subway system Okay and and, but if those are not cost you pay any attention to, then you can build anything in the world. \n\nBut, if you wanted to go to another city and see the subway, they wouldn't let you do that. You could only see the subway. That they, because subways were a bigger deal you know in the 1930s or 1920s. Then they are now. You know, because most people don't use the subways. But in Europe, you know, where people don't have cars and they live in very dense populated areas, subways make sense. I mean 80 percent of the Public transportation in the United States I'm talking about buses and subways and commuter trains is the greater New York area that once you get outside the New York area, only 20 percent of the public public Transportation public transportation exists because everybody's got private transportation. \n\nDan: Yeah exactly right. \n\nDean: I mean you got your own. I mean you got a plush Travel vehicle called the Tesla X. You know it's kind of neat. You don't use it 99% of the time, but it's nice having you know. \n\nDan: You know what I said. I was talking about you. Yesterday the I was had to drive somewhere that was about an hour away, just over an hour Actually. Dan said a new high watermark for my migration north. I went just about a half an hour north of I for the first time since. What's it like? \n\nDean: I mean do you need oxygen? \n\nDan: I mean you know I was using the self-drive, which is just name. You know it's only in named and as it has a nervous breakdown if you take your hand off the wheel for more than 30 seconds at a time. But I said you know Dan Sullivan has it figured out. Dan Sullivan has had self-drive since 1997. \n\nDean: You've had true self drive, self automatic, self drive you know it's an interesting thing, but what I notice, you know I'm just developing the reason. \n\nThis thing about the past is interesting because I'm writing my new quarterly book right now and it's called Everything Is Created Backward, and what I mean everything that sticks is actually created by starting with the past and picking the best of, and I think three things is really a formula. I mean, there might be things where it's five things, but I think three is useful because you can go looking for three, okay, and what I'm seeing is that the tech world has basically ground to. A lot of people don't know this, but the investment part, the venture capital part of the tech world, has just hit a wall. I mean, there's a massive amount of money available, but nobody wants to invest it because so many things promised as new things in the last 10 years really haven't amounted to anything. \n\nIt's about, I think about less, maybe around 10% of IPOs. You know, initial public offerings have panned out Okay. That's a high risk that you have a nine you know, a nine to one chance of losing your money if you invest in something new, and I think the hype factor for getting investment has lost its energy. \n\nDan: Yeah, that's changes everything. This changes everything, oh that's no good, then that's a sure sign that it's doomed. Yeah, this changes everything should be your signal to run away. \n\nDean: Yeah, and you know I mean, but it does change everything for certain individuals and this is the mistake. It's like Joe Polish calls this cruel optimism. \n\nDan: You know cruel optimism Okay. \n\nDean: Yeah, and he has a great take on this, and he said that that when it comes to you know, because he's very interested in addictions and how one gets off an addiction, and he says there's thousands of predictions that if you do this and do this, you get a work for you. And he said what's true about it is it'll work for somebody, okay, but it's their willingness for it to work that actually makes it possible. And so there's a lot of human agency to things turning out the way you want. If you take complete ownership and it has to work for you, probably it'll work. \n\nBut if you think it's going to be done to you and you don't have to do anything probably it won't work. Yeah, that's a very yeah, but I thought it was. But he says it's very cruel Because when it doesn't work and it doesn't work, and it doesn't work, your addiction gets more powerful. \n\nDan: I said to somebody I've been talking about. I've often talked about the difference between, in marketing, a slot machine versus a vending machine, and that's a great analogy. It's often the way that most businesses take on marketing. They put money in the slot machine and they pull the lever and they hope that something happens and they're surrounded in a room by all the other entrepreneurs. \n\nDean: Yeah, we got two out of three. Or we got two out of three oranges. \n\nDan: We got a trend going here, that's right, so everybody's pulling their slot machine and they're all in the same room and somebody hits the jackpot and they all flock over to that machine. Look at the crowd, See see, see, it works. They're like yeah, trying to do the same thing. And then you know every all the testimonials that you see. \n\nThat's exactly what that reminded me of. It's cruel optimism that sometimes see it does work, but they're usually talking about something that happened quickly and to a great extent and once. And it's not the same as the predictable vending machines. Not every time I put in the dollar I get $10 out. \n\nDean: But you know, one of them has. One of them comes with a dopamine factor and the vending machine doesn't come with the dopamine factor. \n\nDan: That's the truth, isn't it? Yeah, but we're all seeking that excitement of the the lot machine. Yeah, it's a cruel optimism, that's funny. \n\nDean: I think it's a good. I think it's a good title. You know, he everything but and. But. It has that somebody else's formula for the future is going to work for you. You know, so I have a. You know I have a little saying that in order to create a more, bigger and better future, you have to first start by creating a bigger and better past. And the reason is the past is all yours to work with. The future is nobody's to work with. \n\nDan: Right. \n\nDean: Yeah, and so my feeling is the greatest breakthroughs with the new vision pro, you know and you know the other AI technologies that are coming along with it is that my feeling is that the best breakthroughs for this will be actually an industrial work, where you're actually dealing with existing engineering. You're existing with existing infrastructure and I think quality control is going to go way up, as people can check out every system you know and they look at, you know they go backstage, they go into a boiler room and they can do a check with their goggles on of every piece of machinery and they have a checklist, does this check and does this check and nothing gets missed. And I think it's going to. The great greatest breakthrough is going to be an industrial quality control. I think that's where it's going to be most used Wow and warfare. \n\nI mean all the 35, the latest jets. They operate as six pilot, six plane units. And all, every one of the pilots is aware of the other five pilots and what they're doing. Okay, and they operate as this six person unit, their radar allows them to see 500 miles out in all directions. Okay, and they can see any threat coming, probably two or three minutes before the threat sees them, which makes a big difference, you know. \n\nSo yeah, somebody said, all breakthroughs happen in three ways, all human, technological breakthroughs. Number one is weaponry. Okay, that's number one, number two is toys and number three is porn. \n\nDan: So there's a triple play right there in the making. \n\nDean: There's a triple play. I mean, if you can check off the box, if this is good for warfare, it's good for play and it's good for porn you got yourself a winner. \n\nDan: Oh my goodness. \n\nDean: That's funny, I like within three days. The biggest complaint about Apple's new vision pro was you couldn't do popcorn on it. \n\nDan: You can't I mean, it's funny, isn't it? That's the way, that's the thing, oh man. \n\nDean: Now, instead of being horrified by that, you're being told something important. \n\nDan: Yes, exactly that's great. So this, this is the week, dan, this is our yeah, so we'll be in. \n\nDean: Orlando at the four seas, in Palm Beach at the four seasons. So Thursday evening will be arriving there. I've got all day Friday completely free. And but we already have Saturday for dinner and Sunday dinner in the calendar with others who have requested it. \n\nDan: Okay so so I got lots of time. Okay, so that's my plan Initially. I may come down Friday then, but Saturday was when I was going to arrive, so maybe, let's you know, put Saturday lunch for sure, yeah, if that works for you yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah and yeah. \n\nDean: So we're completely, you know, completely flexible with those days All my materials for printing have to be in by Tuesday this week. \n\nDan: Okay, so you're gonna. You're a relax and it's all underway. \n\nDean: Yeah, it gets printed out of Chicago and it'll be sent to the team when they get to Palm Beach. It'll be in the four seasons and they'll just have all the materials for the workshop. \n\nDan: Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. Okay, well, worst case scenario be Saturday at lunch, maybe Friday. I'll come down on Friday, okay. \n\nDean: What'd you get? What'd you get out of today? \n\nDan: Fascinating, I think this whole. I like this idea of the exponential thinker. \n\nDean: I think that I will be there. You should chat with him about it. There's so many people. \n\nDan: I'm looking, really looking forward to seeing everybody it's. I can't believe it's been a year. \n\nDean: You know, yeah, yeah, yeah. So there, anyway, I think we're gonna have a good. We're gonna have a good, a good event. We have about 70 free zoners and we have another 90 guests. \n\nDan: Oh my goodness, wow, okay, great. Yeah, so hopefully that will yield some new free zoners too. \n\nDean: Yeah, okay, dean, see you on Saturday. Thanks, dan, bye, and just let Becca know, you know, and she'll work things out. \n\nDan: Okay, that sounds great, okay, okay, thanks, bye, bye. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn today\u0026#39;s episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we reflect on serenity in nature and technology, drawing parallels between Cloudlandia and meticulously raked sand. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWoven into our talk is AI and how it\u0026#39;s changing everything, from Evan\u0026#39;s course helping us out at work to all the crazy experiments shaking things up. We get into how innovation unexpectedly boosted my creativity, which we\u0026#39;re calling \u0026quot;exponential tinkering\u0026quot;. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAs our annual event nears, lessons in \u0026quot;exponential thinking\u0026quot; add to the anticipation of a reunited community and potential for growth. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul style=\"list-style-type: circle;\"\u003e\n\u003c/center\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eDean and I explore the serenity of Cloudlandia and how it parallels the peacefulness found in Japanese Zen gardens, reflecting on the role of imagination in experiencing digital spaces.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe discuss the success of Evan Ryan's AI course within our company and how it has encouraged experiments with AI across different teams.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eDean introduces the concept of \"exponential tinkering,\" highlighting how AI is revolutionizing the arts and content creation, with a nod to OpenAI's Sora tool.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe contemplate the cultural shift toward immersive experiences like VR, while expressing skepticism about their long-term utility and appeal.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eDan recognizes the importance of integrating existing consumer experiences to create innovative products, using Apple as an example.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe highlight insights from Mark Mills' book \"The Cloud Revolution\" on the strategic importance of reshoring supply chains and repurposing shopping centers into logistics hubs.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe compare Tesla's success to the sustainability challenges faced by other electric vehicle companies that are more dependent on government subsidies.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe share anecdotes about the Soviet-era's illusion of luxury, and how modern-day explorers uncover the true state of Soviet infrastructure.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe examine the declining enthusiasm for venture capital in the tech world and the concept of \"cruel optimism\" that can be prevalent in this sector.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eExcitement is expressed for our upcoming annual event, stressing the value of 'exponential thinking' and the potential growth of our community.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Sullivan how are you, mr Jackson? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, welcome to Cloudlandia. I\u0026#39;m sitting out in my courtyard and it\u0026#39;s a little bit of a cold, rainy morning. I don\u0026#39;t know if you can hear the rain gently falling in the courtyard. It\u0026#39;s relaxing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you have an? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e umbrella over your head. No, I\u0026#39;m in a. I have a covered, a covered area here that I\u0026#39;m sitting at about. I don\u0026#39;t know what you call it, like a lamina or a loja, I don\u0026#39;t know how it is, but it\u0026#39;s a covered underroof thing, that\u0026#39;s attached to my courtyard. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e What you\u0026#39;re saying is that there\u0026#39;s something between you and this guy. That\u0026#39;s exactly it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m not getting rained on, I\u0026#39;m under covered, as they say. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, it\u0026#39;s sort of a poignant, almost like a Japanese. Stay right, yeah, this almost feels like a Japanese Zen garden. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e here I hear the like the little the water coming off the roof of a tile roof, so that it\u0026#39;s very Japanese Zen actually, because the there\u0026#39;s a spout that drains the water down into a drain. Yeah, so nice. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s very interesting. When I was a teenager I sort of fell in love with Japanese culture. This would be early 60s, late 50s, early 60s and you know I read the literature, I looked at the artwork. I was interested in their architecture, their history, and then in my military. I was drafted into the US military and got sent to South Korea. And I\u0026#39;m an R and R. Rest and relaxation, that\u0026#39;s what they called it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e R and R I went to Japan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I went to twice, oh nice. And my memory is of being in the mountains, at a place where they really didn\u0026#39;t speak English I don\u0026#39;t know even now if they you know, having Americans who was part of their experience, but it was perfectly understandable. I mean, the hospitality was so great. But I can remember being in one of these little rooms where they had. They had sliding doors that would open up and you could see the mountain, you could see the water. And I remember it raining, but I was warm and I had tea. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I was sitting there and it sort of corresponded to what my teenage visions had been. I always remember that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s great. I love it when stuff like that happens. Well, this would definitely be the kind of day that would be conducive to tea. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And sitting out here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It was kind of a Zen garden that I have in the courtyard, so it\u0026#39;s nice. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. Speaking of Zen, there\u0026#39;s a lot about the jump from the mainland to Cloudlandia that has a Zen-like quality to it, tell me more, tell me more, especially now with the. A lot about it, well, a lot about it. You have to imagine, in other words, that you only get as far in Cloudlandia as your imagination will go. I\u0026#39;m really seeing this. I\u0026#39;m kind of being a creative collaborator with Evan Ryan, still in his 20s, but he\u0026#39;s been investigating artificial intelligence for the last 10 years, so he\u0026#39;s well into it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo basically his adult life has been and he\u0026#39;s got a very thriving business and he\u0026#39;s got clients from all over the planet. But he wrote one book which was superb. It was called AI as your teammate and he put it together into a six-module coaching course for companies and our entire company went through that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, wow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So it\u0026#39;s six to our modules and just to the main. Purpose is just to get people over the hump that this is any scarier than any technology that they\u0026#39;ve already mastered. It\u0026#39;s just a new technology. And it did wonders. It did wonders and I can see the last module was probably four months ago and I can see the investigations and the experiments that are going on across the company, each person sort of focusing on something different. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then Evan is writing a new book and I just shared an idea with him and maybe it be a topic that we would discuss today. But I said, there\u0026#39;s all sorts of predictions being made by people about where AI is going and where it\u0026#39;s going to take us, and both exciting and scary. The predictions are both exciting and scary and what I realized that all these predictions, no matter how expert the person tried to present themselves, was just one person\u0026#39;s prediction. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd more or less their prediction for everybody else was simply what they wanted to do for themselves, Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And I think Mark Zuckerberg and there\u0026#39;s all sorts of people the big tech people and government people and everything, corporate people and I say you\u0026#39;re trying to make this a prediction for the world, but it\u0026#39;s only probably a prediction for you that this is the direction and what I realized is that there\u0026#39;s an exponential breakthrough with AI and it\u0026#39;s in the area of tinkering, which is a neat word, yes, Tinkering. So Evan and I talked about it and he\u0026#39;s going to. You know, he\u0026#39;s developing the idea as exponential tinkering. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I really like it. Oh, I like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s a good yeah, what a nice combination of words, because, there are kind of two words that are jarring when you put them together, that\u0026#39;s very good. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I like that a lot. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so what are you tinkering? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e with. So I\u0026#39;m tinkering with a couple of things right now and deep into the. Are you talking about technology things? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No, yeah. Well, technology, or specifically AI, are you tinkering at all with it, seeing what it can do? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m starting now to. Did you see the latest thing a couple of days ago? The release of Sora, the video creation tool. Now, that was OpenAI did that right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOpenAI has just I think it\u0026#39;s only very limitally open to their top tier, you know, data users or whatever, but the demo reels of it you know, showing what it\u0026#39;s capable of, and I mean it\u0026#39;s certainly you see now where that\u0026#39;s the final piece of the puzzle here, like two things have happened in the last 30 days that have really kind of cement where I see this going. I\u0026#39;ve been predicting here that 20, that you know, almost like the big change 1975 to 2025 will kind of look and the you know all these exponential improvements reaching the top of the asymptotic curve that there\u0026#39;s You\u0026#39;re using big words. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, so Asymptotic, asymptotic. I think that deserves a subhead for our listeners. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, Well, asyn, in math when you do exponential, it\u0026#39;s exponentially increases, increases, and then it reaches a point where it\u0026#39;s just marginally like improving slightly. You know, like there\u0026#39;s not really the exponential leap, for instance, of going from. If we just take text, we\u0026#39;ve gone from, you know, writing it on papyrus or having people hand write stuff. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Chiseled as on. Chiseled as in play. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Whatever. And then Gutenberg was an exponential leap in that, but it got better in terms of when we were able to, you know, create digital photocopy and things like that, and we got to the text file where you could digitize text and that became a PDF. And now so everything you know, the functional like improvement in text, has really reached the top of. There\u0026#39;s nowhere really to go from everything ever written available instantly on any device you have. And that same thing has been over the last 25 years, kind of cascading series of those with increasing complexity of them, right? I think it\u0026#39;s not. That\u0026#39;s the easiest thing to fully digitize is text. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then pictures were the next thing, that you could digitize pictures so we can transfer images, then moving pictures right? Audio, sorry, was next after text, audio images or images, videos. Now we\u0026#39;re at the point where you know every piece of media video, audio, text or images is completely digitized. It\u0026#39;s available on any device at any time you want it. And this next piece that\u0026#39;s falling into place is the ability to generatively create, from description, images and videos that you can describe. And so when you take this Sora, and you take Dali and you take the all the things that are converging with the, with the AI, and we\u0026#39;ll give them another two year runway, which would even sort of double their time that they\u0026#39;ve been in our world Mainstream they\u0026#39;ll be fully cemented into the mainstream use. And then you look at what\u0026#39;s happening with the release of Apple\u0026#39;s new Air Pro goggles, or whatever they\u0026#39;re calling them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Vision Pro. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Vision Pro. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And that is. You know everybody who\u0026#39;s going to use any of this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Exponential tinkerers. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but that somebody who\u0026#39;s doing it tinkerers. Tinkerers is just someone who\u0026#39;s doing it for their own purposes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know they\u0026#39;re not trying to create something for anybody else, they\u0026#39;re just for example, I gave you the example that I\u0026#39;ve had a real interest in. You know, I wrote a new book and I had. I was writing a new book and I had one chapter finished and it was how we put our company together, and the chapter was unique ability teamwork. That, basically, a fundamental difference between coach team members and other team members is that we everybody operates according to their own unique ability within unique ability teams. Okay, so that\u0026#39;s that, but I\u0026#39;ve always had a fascination with Shakespeare. You know he\u0026#39;s one of my five. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, five lifetime role models Shakespeare, because he was not only a great poet, a great playwright, a great you know creator of, you know, creator of plays, but he was also a tremendous entrepreneur and he, you know, he created the first company that was self-sustainable and he created a new theater and everything else. So he was very entrepreneurial and seems to have made a pile through theater. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd anyway, but I was always fascinated with the language form that was operating in London in the late 1500s and 1600s. So Shakespeare is 1560, 1560, 1660 years and it was called iambic pentameter and it was a structure where there\u0026#39;s only 10 syllables per line. You get to the 10th syllable and then you go to a new line, and so I had one of my team members actually go to AI, go to chat GPT and say we would like to translate Dan\u0026#39;s copy into iambic pentameter and it was back in 24 hours. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know came back and I was just fascinated. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I was just fascinated with it because I thought differently about my own thoughts when I saw them come back in a different language form. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIn English but about a different structure. So I was sitting there, I was reading it and I gave it to some of our team and I said what do you think about this? And they said, wow, I get totally new thoughts from reading it. It\u0026#39;s, you know, the basic ideas, but they\u0026#39;re in a different language form. And I said now what I\u0026#39;d like to do is I hear it like it here. It\u0026#39;s spoken, you know, by someone who was really great with Shakespeare\u0026#39;s language. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo it was a very famous actor who we have their recordings of, and so we open my team member, Alex Barley, who is British you know. So he\u0026#39;s from the UK, so he has a feel for this type of language and he has a feel for theater. And then he worked with Mike Canig\u0026#39;s, great friend of ours and. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eMike. Mike gave him two or three other AI programs that he could take a look at and about four days later I get this wonderfully eloquent reading of a whole chapter in Iambic content and I listen to it every week. I listen to it every week and it does things for my thinking. Okay, and I\u0026#39;ve shown it to a few people. This is a you know. A number of people have listened to it and they\u0026#39;re all say, wow, that\u0026#39;s amazing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You did that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Why\u0026#39;d you do that? Why\u0026#39;d you do that? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Why\u0026#39;d you do? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e that Just tinkering? I was just tinkering and I just. I kind of said you know, if I put this together with this and maybe put the two of them together with this, I wonder what it sounds like. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I have no intention of, I have no intention of going any further with it, but it really serves a purpose, that it really influences my own thinking and I\u0026#39;ve noticed that my writing has changed as a result of listening to this for three or four, three or four months, you know, I just I just get a different take on my own ideas. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI call that tinkering, I just call that tinkering. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And I believe that with AI, what you have, there was always tinkering in the technology world, but I think what AI does, it makes, it allows tinkering to be exponential. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s interesting. So there\u0026#39;s, I\u0026#39;d say, yeah, you\u0026#39;re, there\u0026#39;s an artistry to it in a way. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, in that there\u0026#39;s, it\u0026#39;s kind of like doing something for your own pleasure for your own yeah, and your own enhancements you know you see, you see an extension of a capability that you already have, but you can see new dimensions of the capability that you already have and that in itself is the reward, that in itself. And people say well, are you going to? You know, I tell people and they say oh, so are you going to actually produce this? And you know, you know like we produce our books. And I said no, I\u0026#39;m just doing it for my own reasons. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I just like the feel of this. I just like the feel you know and. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I do not think I\u0026#39;m unique in this experience. I think there\u0026#39;s a hundred million people doing the same thing with something that kind of fascinates them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I wonder if that\u0026#39;s the artistic expression gene or something. I mean, that\u0026#39;s our internal desire to chase our whims. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, in a way, yeah, that\u0026#39;s one of the great joys of the the reason I\u0026#39;m saying this is that we\u0026#39;re always making the predictions about who the giant tech giant is that\u0026#39;s going to dominate this and I said one I don\u0026#39;t see it emerging. I think all of them are scrambling like mad so that they don\u0026#39;t get left behind. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut I don\u0026#39;t think the idea of tinkering really exists in that world. You know quarterly stock prices, investments that\u0026#39;s what they\u0026#39;re looking for, you know, and everything else, but I don\u0026#39;t see the dominant player, even. You know, even open. Ai is the dominant player. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Have you had some experience? Have you tried the vision pros yet? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I don\u0026#39;t like goggles. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t need. I mean I\u0026#39;m not inclined either. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e They\u0026#39;re anti social. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I wonder you know it\u0026#39;s going to be. I know there\u0026#39;ll be a lot of people at Free Zone next week that have them that are, so we\u0026#39;ll get a chance to try that for sure. But I know my kenix has it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I know Leo as his one of the things that I always look at their past stage right now, but it\u0026#39;d be interesting checking their lives down six months from now whether they\u0026#39;re actually using them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s what I\u0026#39;m curious about, right Like it\u0026#39;s so. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t need to be first in with anything. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, exactly, yeah, yeah, I think that this chasm it\u0026#39;s getting, you know, I think it\u0026#39;s getting wider and wider, this that there\u0026#39;s even now, nuances of going deeper into Cloudlandia, because I think that\u0026#39;s like immersively diving into Cloudlandia and I think that there\u0026#39;s. Nick Nanton just posted a thing about some big movie director who was tweeted about. You know, just spent the day editing this is a feature movie, mainstream movie director saying you just spent the day editing in the Vision Pros with, in collaboration with his editor, on a big screen. They are theatrical, like movie screen size and just fascinated. He said. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e you know, no headache, no anything so I don\u0026#39;t know, yeah well, where I think and I felt five, ten years, well, let\u0026#39;s say five years ago when people were talking about visual reality, okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And Peter Diamonis had a lot of proponents of this at Abundance 360 and I was sitting there and I said first of all, every everything that I\u0026#39;ve seen I find boring and the reason? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ebecause what you\u0026#39;re seeing is the creation of one brain, and if it\u0026#39;s not an interesting brain to begin with, the result of their creation of a VR program is exponentially less interesting. Okay, and what actual reality is good? You know, I look out in my yard and you have the same opportunity there. I look at them and I\u0026#39;ve got these seven giant oak trees in their yard, I mean they\u0026#39;re a hundred, and ten hundred foot oak trees, and the reason I love those trees so much is nobody created them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere was no intention for this to happen. It was just a lucky acorn. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right the result of it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean they produce thousands, millions of acorns in our yard and it\u0026#39;s just squirrel food you know, and and it\u0026#39;s the nonintentionality that interests me, it\u0026#39;s not the somebody\u0026#39;s intention, okay, and one person\u0026#39;s story really doesn\u0026#39;t interest me for the first time if it doesn\u0026#39;t include a lot of other people\u0026#39;s stories you know, in other words. You\u0026#39;re putting that together, so I don\u0026#39;t know. I mean, I think there\u0026#39;s a fundamental obstacle to all technological breakthroughs, and it\u0026#39;s called human nature. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, this is where that\u0026#39;s. What I wonder, is the goggles? Them sound like it. Just it feels like, wow, this is a you know, unless we\u0026#39;re at a point where I think the improvement of the vision pros is that you can actually see out of them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you can see out of them and it\u0026#39;s got the thing that I think is really going to make a difference, and that\u0026#39;s all augmented reality. Yes, exactly In other words, you\u0026#39;re looking at a real thing. Yeah, there are useful pictures, useful data, useful messages on it, and there\u0026#39;s useful capabilities, in other words, there\u0026#39;s like email and, I\u0026#39;m sure, the design. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know design tools and everything that you can do and that, I believe, is good, but it\u0026#39;ll only, it\u0026#39;ll take hold where the use of this speeds up an economic process that already makes money. But you can speed up an economic process. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m seeing that, if everything is, you know, being shaped to drive us deeper into this cloudlandia existence here, that everything\u0026#39;s happening in the goggles, that I was just had coffee with Stuart, my operations guy, and we were saying how it seems like there\u0026#39;s a trend towards you know, I have you ever heard the term hostile design for architecture where the Starbucks one of the Starbucks here in Winter Haven just went under when it\u0026#39;s 10 year renovation and they completely turned it into like a basket robin\u0026#39;s? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ewhere it\u0026#39;s all the character of you know a basket robin\u0026#39;s. There\u0026#39;s no sense of that third place kind of you know origin that Starbucks started with, where, when Starbucks was first getting started in the 90s, they had, you know, nice design, comfy chairs. It was inviting to come and get a coffee and sit and you know gather kind of thing. And now it\u0026#39;s essentially designed with the hey, keep it moving, keep it moving kind of vibe to it. There\u0026#39;s no, nothing about the chairs, the seating, it\u0026#39;s just literally one long banquette with facing single wooden chairs. You know that, on and round table, so there\u0026#39;s no comfort or invitingness to come and linger. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, they commoditize, so you know. In other words, yeah they start off at very special places. Yeah, and you know you could go in if you could use it as an office, it could be your office all day if you were I think yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that\u0026#39;s what happened is that post as we got into the last ten years where it became more, you know, wi-fi is ubiquitous and, you know, demanded in public spaces like that. That you know I was saying to Stuart. My theory about it is that in the 90s and early 2000s the internet was still a place that you had to go to right, like you, yeah, had to go to your computer to go there, and these third places were, of you know, an important part of you\u0026#39;re putting that aside and you\u0026#39;re coming to this third place to be there and as laptops and Wi-Fi and all these things made it possible that people could go and set up shop in the Starbucks and spend the whole day there, that became defeated, the whole purpose. It wasn\u0026#39;t a third place, it was the place. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e0:25:06 - \u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYou know, yeah, and the other thing it became every place. You know, I mean, when you commoditize, it\u0026#39;s every place. And, and you know, I mean you know. And the other thing is that there was a fundamental change in the Starbucks culture and I can say exactly when it was. It was in the 90s and I think it was probably around 1995. They said there\u0026#39;s a risky part of our future and that is we can\u0026#39;t guarantee that we\u0026#39;re always going to have good baristas okay, because the real right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe real skill I mean of Starbucks is who is? Where the baristas who can do the coffee, just right, and they said we can\u0026#39;t. You know, it\u0026#39;s too risky and that we become too dependent on these people, you know and they said we\u0026#39;ve got to make it mechanical and what they did immediately is that their espresso drinks, you know, whatever form it came in, was only 80% as good, but it was predictably 80. The moment you give away quality in order to achieve quantity, you\u0026#39;ve lost all uniqueness. Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI agree, yeah and that\u0026#39;s what they\u0026#39;ve done. And now the other thing is that they created their own competition because people seeing how a coffee operation works, they went to Starbucks University and got their degree, you know, and it probably take a year to do that and they went out and created their own independent coffee shops. So I think those unique coffee shops still exist, but they\u0026#39;re not trying to take over the planet yeah, it\u0026#39;s really. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s interesting. I\u0026#39;m looking for places like that, but you just it\u0026#39;s kind of a sad thing. It\u0026#39;s almost like you\u0026#39;ve talked often about the, the black cab knowledge of the drivers in London that they have London, I think London. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e London, birmingham and Manchester, I think they have, but the black cabs are the best cabs in the world. Yeah, okay, they\u0026#39;re, just there\u0026#39;s nothing to compare of what an experienced black cab driver with the black cab experience in the world. There\u0026#39;s just nothing like it, and it takes you three years of dedicated study to even pass the test to become a black cab driver, you know and it\u0026#39;s very interesting that all of that now can be. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, anybody in their Honda Civic equipped with their iPhone, has the knowledge right on their phone well, actually it worked out, it didn\u0026#39;t work out in London right, because Uber came in and they said well, you know, the Uber guys got it, but they have no feel for the city right and yeah, and so within six months of Uber coming in and actually threatening black cab developed its own Uber software, so now they have the Uber software plus the knowledge of the driver yeah, right it\u0026#39;s like AI, an AI program defeating world champion, chess champion okay, yeah and within a year, the chess champions just said okay, we\u0026#39;ve upped the game and now it\u0026#39;s us, plus our AI program, against each other. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s very. You know, it\u0026#39;s a-. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Humans are infinitely smarter than technology. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s a fascinating time to be approaching your 80th birthday right now too, you know, looking into the next decade here. Yeah, what are you guessing and betting on for the next few weeks? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m betting that people\u0026#39;s grasp of their past is now their trump card. Okay, that the future is completely and totally unpredictable, okay as far as I\u0026#39;m concerned. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean, I think you could predict the future more in the 19th and you know the book you gave me, the 1990, the great change I would think was called the Great Change. If I think back to 1950, where I was alive, I think that the first grade teacher and I had a first grade teacher in 1950, sister Mary Josephia. Sister Mary Josephia, sometime, first grade she says the reason why you\u0026#39;re learning this now reading, writing and arithmetic is that when you graduate from high school because nobody went to college in those days- you know, you left high school and you went and got a job. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eShe says everybody\u0026#39;s going to be looking in the job market at how good you are at reading, writing and arithmetic and showing up on time and finishing what you start and saying please and thank you and everything else. And she was totally correct. In 1962, exactly what she predicted was true. Okay, so try a first grade teacher in 2024, can she predict anything about what a first grader will experience 12 years later? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, no chance yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And that\u0026#39;s just a general condition on the planet. I just think the future is no longer predictable. So what\u0026#39;s the unused resource? The unused resource is your past. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Say more about that. What do you mean? The unused resource? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, first of all, it\u0026#39;s unique. I mean, if I sat down with you and asked you questions about your past and it went on for a year day in day out for a year. Not one thing that you say about your past during that year is anything but unique to you. That\u0026#39;s true. Yeah, exactly that\u0026#39;s where all the raw material is for creativity. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s not in the future, you know and it was so funny because I remember four or five times in abundance 360, peter would invite in people from Google, okay, and they had these moon shots, okay, and what was interesting about them? They were predicting new things in the future that hadn\u0026#39;t been imagined yet, okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd it seems to me like sparse ingredients, but it was what they were up to and there was presentation after presentation and they had videos on YouTube and everything else. And I said is there any customer experience in this? No, there was no customer experience. They were just making it up, you know, and they were sort of, and these teams were in competition with each other who could come up with the most convincing thing? That didn\u0026#39;t exist. And then I kept track of it and over a 10-year period they shot all those projects down. They never went anywhere. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow, yeah, they never went anywhere. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and I said, all you do is let\u0026#39;s find three examples of things that people are already enjoying, and can we put them together in a new way and create something new where people already have experience? With at least a third of the new thing you know, and that\u0026#39;s what Apple does. Apple never does anything. First they sit there and they say MP3 player, napster, making money doing this Internet. Let\u0026#39;s put the three of them together and see where they go. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s smart. They were doing triple plays and didn\u0026#39;t even know it. Yeah, well, maybe they were, Maybe they were yeah that\u0026#39;s your clever observation of it, right, exactly, yeah, put a framework over it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e There\u0026#39;s a great technology thinker by the name of Mark Mills, and he wrote a really interesting book called the Cloud Revolution. Okay, and it\u0026#39;s really worth a read. Okay, and what he said? If you go backwards 100 years and you look for all the major technological breakthroughs that have more or less been the mainstream of the last 100 years, he says they you always discover it was never one thing, it was always three things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh really. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e He uses the radio, he uses electricity, he uses internal combustion, he uses cars, he uses airplanes, he uses, you know, motion pictures and all the major things air conditioning and everything, and he shows the three things that went together before the breakthrough was possible. Oh wow, and part of the reason is you\u0026#39;re putting together already existing habits. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s really. You have to piggyback on something that somebody\u0026#39;s already doing, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that gives them their existing habit, even though you\u0026#39;re adding. You know you\u0026#39;re adding factors that are two other habits. But you have to get people something solid to stand on before you ask them to take a step into the new. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e What was the name of that book? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e again, it\u0026#39;s called the Cloud Revolution. Okay, the Cloud Revolution. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah and he uses an interesting example and this is a prediction he\u0026#39;s making for the future. He said, with reshoring take place. So that\u0026#39;s one factor the supply chains are going to get shorter and shorter in the future, because COVID sort of proved to everybody that relying products that came from a hundred different places and required 5,000 miles of ocean travel to get to us wasn\u0026#39;t reliable for the future products you know, foods and everything. So what? The major thing is that you\u0026#39;re going to try to have supply chains were important with things as close as possible to where the customers are. And he said that\u0026#39;s one trend. Okay, that\u0026#39;s reshoring, that\u0026#39;s that process of bringing your manufacturing and your industrialization back to close to you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat\u0026#39;s one factor. The other factor is no longer obsolete shopping centers, Okay. And he said let\u0026#39;s suppose that you just take every obsolete shopping center and you turn it into a combination of warehouse, factory and distribution center, Okay. Okay, All the existing infrastructure is built in. That\u0026#39;s already zone. It\u0026#39;s got huge parking, it\u0026#39;s got some massive, big spaces like the big anchor stores, some massive big spaces. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou already have delivery docks, you have truck docks that go underground and people go yes and everything. And he says but it\u0026#39;s obsolete for the purpose it was created for. But he says if you think about it as a nexus point for trade supply routes in other? Words the raw material will come in and then supply routes going out to the actual customers. And he says all of a sudden you got a new use. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut people are used to shopping centers, people work in shopping centers, you know and everything else he says well, you know, and they have major, usually they\u0026#39;re situated where there\u0026#39;s major transportation routes, there\u0026#39;s major highways, there\u0026#39;s, you know. I mean probably the best shopping centers are in places that have, you know, highway access. They have air airline, you know, ups, and so that he says just look, look at a lot of stuff that already exists. Put it together in a new way and people\u0026#39;s habits already supported. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s smart. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I like those things, so that fits in with the whole. Jeff Bezos, you know what\u0026#39;s not going to change in the next 10 years model, looking not at what\u0026#39;s going to change, but what\u0026#39;s not going to change, because that\u0026#39;s what you can anchor on. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s kind of like I\u0026#39;m just watching all the EV companies, the electric vehicle companies, with the exception of Tesla, because they\u0026#39;ve got a unique, established niche. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI don\u0026#39;t think any of the other companies that are based on a profit motive are making that forward, shutting, cutting back. Volkswagen is cutting back, gm is cutting back, everybody\u0026#39;s cutting back, because they\u0026#39;re losing anywhere from $30,000 to $70,000 on a vehicle and it doesn\u0026#39;t look like it\u0026#39;s going to get any better. Okay, and then, but what made it unnatural is the fact that you had to have massive government insistence for it to even get off the ground. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you just kind of hit something on the head there, because Elon Musk has definitely thrown his hat over the fence on electric vehicles and it is dominating the market for it, because he\u0026#39;s all in on that, which is something that Ford and Volkswagen and all these companies can\u0026#39;t do. They\u0026#39;re not, they\u0026#39;re only like dabbling in the electric vehicle markets, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah they did it because there were massive subsidies, there was math, you know, and the states like California were mandating. You know, you know, and by 2035 we won\u0026#39;t have any fossil fuel vehicles. Okay, and you know, if the strong arm of government\u0026#39;s gonna come on and just forbid the alternative, well, of course we\u0026#39;re going to invest our future in it. But those governments are going to be thrown out. I bet the government in California is throwing out within 10 years, I mean you know, by the way, that that just reminded me of something. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I just watched the Tucker Carlson interview with Putin. Did you see that? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, Parts of it. I saw a part Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, nothing extraordinary about that. That wasn\u0026#39;t what I was getting to. But while Tucker was in Russia, he did a series of short Videos that were just kind of exploring what is it actually like in a, you know, post sanctioned Russia that you know, yeah, since they put sanctions in place and you know, and it was funny because he was describing, you know, like every visual that we have of, you know, communism in Russia is, you know, empty shelves and limited supply and limited Choice and utilitarian things. So he went, he did a interesting series where he went to a Russian Supermarket to see, okay, so what is it like like? What\u0026#39;s day-to-day life like in Russia under sanctions during wartime? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd it was, you know, the most fascinating like grocery store where you go in and it\u0026#39;s the shelves are stopped with Everything you could imagine, all these things. It\u0026#39;s a beautiful, clean store, very modern. Everything about it was amazing. They filled up their basket with what would be, you know, a week\u0026#39;s worth of groceries for a family of four kind of thing, what you would get if you were kind of feeding a, a family of four and they, you know, found everything. They they wanted a beautifully you know, fresh baked bread, all the staples that you could need. They filled them all up. They all him and the producers kind of guessed that they would have, you know, $400 or 400 worth of groceries if they were buying it in America, kind of thing which was their frame of reference and Turns out they got all of that stuff for like a hundred and four dollars is what it\u0026#39;s what it costs. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, don\u0026#39;t you find it fascinating that he found the one supermarket in all of Russia where that was. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s what I wonder. That\u0026#39;s what I want. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No, that\u0026#39;s not you think he went there just have passers-by on his own, I don\u0026#39;t like to go. Oh yeah, yeah, the Soviets had one in Moscow. It was right near the Kremlin. It was called gum GUM, if you look it up on Wikipedia. Huh, capital G, capital U, capital M, and you went in and it was just well-dressed shoppers, everything you know, I think that\u0026#39;s that\u0026#39;s might have been where he was. That might have been it, oh yeah, and it\u0026#39;s, and it\u0026#39;s a show place, it\u0026#39;s a show play and that\u0026#39;s what they found when they found out the history of it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eShoppers would go in and they would come out the front door and then they go around the block, go through the black door Backdoor and give back everything that they had bought, and then it was restocked on the shelves. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh boy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e They were all actors. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, wow, very interesting. I wondered the same thing, because they did. He went to a subway station that he admittedly said was the most beautiful. So we never seen a subway station as nice anywhere in in America and it was. They showed the footage of it. You know, beautiful artwork and chandeliers and steam, cleaned cleanliness and, no, no graffiti, all of those things. And it did have the sense of. Is this a show place? Because there\u0026#39;s an interesting YouTube channel. There was a gentleman from the UK and his channel is called bald and bankrupt and what he does is he goes just solo with a single camera and he was touring all these Soviet Territories. All the outposts, you know, like that were the height of the thing, to compare, and every one of it is Just like everything is run down. And you know all of the Soviet Union, you know post Communism is completely, you know, run down. And what you would expect, right, what you would that, your Vision of it, and I think that you kind of just hit it on the head. That\u0026#39;s that it\u0026#39;s more likely. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s like a show place or a yeah that that subway system was put in the 1930s. Okay, they had the boss of it, was cruise ships, cruise ships came in the fame Because he put in. But there was. There was no Limit on cost and there was no limit on how many people died. Building, they asked, made about 20,000 workers died. Putting in the subway system Okay and and, but if those are not cost you pay any attention to, then you can build anything in the world. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut, if you wanted to go to another city and see the subway, they wouldn\u0026#39;t let you do that. You could only see the subway. That they, because subways were a bigger deal you know in the 1930s or 1920s. Then they are now. You know, because most people don\u0026#39;t use the subways. But in Europe, you know, where people don\u0026#39;t have cars and they live in very dense populated areas, subways make sense. I mean 80 percent of the Public transportation in the United States I\u0026#39;m talking about buses and subways and commuter trains is the greater New York area that once you get outside the New York area, only 20 percent of the public public Transportation public transportation exists because everybody\u0026#39;s got private transportation. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah exactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean you got your own. I mean you got a plush Travel vehicle called the Tesla X. You know it\u0026#39;s kind of neat. You don\u0026#39;t use it 99% of the time, but it\u0026#39;s nice having you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know what I said. I was talking about you. Yesterday the I was had to drive somewhere that was about an hour away, just over an hour Actually. Dan said a new high watermark for my migration north. I went just about a half an hour north of I for the first time since. What\u0026#39;s it like? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean do you need oxygen? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean you know I was using the self-drive, which is just name. You know it\u0026#39;s only in named and as it has a nervous breakdown if you take your hand off the wheel for more than 30 seconds at a time. But I said you know Dan Sullivan has it figured out. Dan Sullivan has had self-drive since 1997. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You\u0026#39;ve had true self drive, self automatic, self drive you know it\u0026#39;s an interesting thing, but what I notice, you know I\u0026#39;m just developing the reason. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThis thing about the past is interesting because I\u0026#39;m writing my new quarterly book right now and it\u0026#39;s called Everything Is Created Backward, and what I mean everything that sticks is actually created by starting with the past and picking the best of, and I think three things is really a formula. I mean, there might be things where it\u0026#39;s five things, but I think three is useful because you can go looking for three, okay, and what I\u0026#39;m seeing is that the tech world has basically ground to. A lot of people don\u0026#39;t know this, but the investment part, the venture capital part of the tech world, has just hit a wall. I mean, there\u0026#39;s a massive amount of money available, but nobody wants to invest it because so many things promised as new things in the last 10 years really haven\u0026#39;t amounted to anything. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s about, I think about less, maybe around 10% of IPOs. You know, initial public offerings have panned out Okay. That\u0026#39;s a high risk that you have a nine you know, a nine to one chance of losing your money if you invest in something new, and I think the hype factor for getting investment has lost its energy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s changes everything. This changes everything, oh that\u0026#39;s no good, then that\u0026#39;s a sure sign that it\u0026#39;s doomed. Yeah, this changes everything should be your signal to run away. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and you know I mean, but it does change everything for certain individuals and this is the mistake. It\u0026#39;s like Joe Polish calls this cruel optimism. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know cruel optimism Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and he has a great take on this, and he said that that when it comes to you know, because he\u0026#39;s very interested in addictions and how one gets off an addiction, and he says there\u0026#39;s thousands of predictions that if you do this and do this, you get a work for you. And he said what\u0026#39;s true about it is it\u0026#39;ll work for somebody, okay, but it\u0026#39;s their willingness for it to work that actually makes it possible. And so there\u0026#39;s a lot of human agency to things turning out the way you want. If you take complete ownership and it has to work for you, probably it\u0026#39;ll work. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut if you think it\u0026#39;s going to be done to you and you don\u0026#39;t have to do anything probably it won\u0026#39;t work. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s a very yeah, but I thought it was. But he says it\u0026#39;s very cruel Because when it doesn\u0026#39;t work and it doesn\u0026#39;t work, and it doesn\u0026#39;t work, your addiction gets more powerful. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I said to somebody I\u0026#39;ve been talking about. I\u0026#39;ve often talked about the difference between, in marketing, a slot machine versus a vending machine, and that\u0026#39;s a great analogy. It\u0026#39;s often the way that most businesses take on marketing. They put money in the slot machine and they pull the lever and they hope that something happens and they\u0026#39;re surrounded in a room by all the other entrepreneurs. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, we got two out of three. Or we got two out of three oranges. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We got a trend going here, that\u0026#39;s right, so everybody\u0026#39;s pulling their slot machine and they\u0026#39;re all in the same room and somebody hits the jackpot and they all flock over to that machine. Look at the crowd, See see, see, it works. They\u0026#39;re like yeah, trying to do the same thing. And then you know every all the testimonials that you see. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat\u0026#39;s exactly what that reminded me of. It\u0026#39;s cruel optimism that sometimes see it does work, but they\u0026#39;re usually talking about something that happened quickly and to a great extent and once. And it\u0026#39;s not the same as the predictable vending machines. Not every time I put in the dollar I get $10 out. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But you know, one of them has. One of them comes with a dopamine factor and the vending machine doesn\u0026#39;t come with the dopamine factor. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s the truth, isn\u0026#39;t it? Yeah, but we\u0026#39;re all seeking that excitement of the the lot machine. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s a cruel optimism, that\u0026#39;s funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it\u0026#39;s a good. I think it\u0026#39;s a good title. You know, he everything but and. But. It has that somebody else\u0026#39;s formula for the future is going to work for you. You know, so I have a. You know I have a little saying that in order to create a more, bigger and better future, you have to first start by creating a bigger and better past. And the reason is the past is all yours to work with. The future is nobody\u0026#39;s to work with. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and so my feeling is the greatest breakthroughs with the new vision pro, you know and you know the other AI technologies that are coming along with it is that my feeling is that the best breakthroughs for this will be actually an industrial work, where you\u0026#39;re actually dealing with existing engineering. You\u0026#39;re existing with existing infrastructure and I think quality control is going to go way up, as people can check out every system you know and they look at, you know they go backstage, they go into a boiler room and they can do a check with their goggles on of every piece of machinery and they have a checklist, does this check and does this check and nothing gets missed. And I think it\u0026#39;s going to. The great greatest breakthrough is going to be an industrial quality control. I think that\u0026#39;s where it\u0026#39;s going to be most used Wow and warfare. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean all the 35, the latest jets. They operate as six pilot, six plane units. And all, every one of the pilots is aware of the other five pilots and what they\u0026#39;re doing. Okay, and they operate as this six person unit, their radar allows them to see 500 miles out in all directions. Okay, and they can see any threat coming, probably two or three minutes before the threat sees them, which makes a big difference, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo yeah, somebody said, all breakthroughs happen in three ways, all human, technological breakthroughs. Number one is weaponry. Okay, that\u0026#39;s number one, number two is toys and number three is porn. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So there\u0026#39;s a triple play right there in the making. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e There\u0026#39;s a triple play. I mean, if you can check off the box, if this is good for warfare, it\u0026#39;s good for play and it\u0026#39;s good for porn you got yourself a winner. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh my goodness. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s funny, I like within three days. The biggest complaint about Apple\u0026#39;s new vision pro was you couldn\u0026#39;t do popcorn on it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You can\u0026#39;t I mean, it\u0026#39;s funny, isn\u0026#39;t it? That\u0026#39;s the way, that\u0026#39;s the thing, oh man. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, instead of being horrified by that, you\u0026#39;re being told something important. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, exactly that\u0026#39;s great. So this, this is the week, dan, this is our yeah, so we\u0026#39;ll be in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Orlando at the four seas, in Palm Beach at the four seasons. So Thursday evening will be arriving there. I\u0026#39;ve got all day Friday completely free. And but we already have Saturday for dinner and Sunday dinner in the calendar with others who have requested it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay so so I got lots of time. Okay, so that\u0026#39;s my plan Initially. I may come down Friday then, but Saturday was when I was going to arrive, so maybe, let\u0026#39;s you know, put Saturday lunch for sure, yeah, if that works for you yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah and yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So we\u0026#39;re completely, you know, completely flexible with those days All my materials for printing have to be in by Tuesday this week. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, so you\u0026#39;re gonna. You\u0026#39;re a relax and it\u0026#39;s all underway. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it gets printed out of Chicago and it\u0026#39;ll be sent to the team when they get to Palm Beach. It\u0026#39;ll be in the four seasons and they\u0026#39;ll just have all the materials for the workshop. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I\u0026#39;m looking forward to it. Okay, well, worst case scenario be Saturday at lunch, maybe Friday. I\u0026#39;ll come down on Friday, okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e What\u0026#39;d you get? What\u0026#39;d you get out of today? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Fascinating, I think this whole. I like this idea of the exponential thinker. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that I will be there. You should chat with him about it. There\u0026#39;s so many people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m looking, really looking forward to seeing everybody it\u0026#39;s. I can\u0026#39;t believe it\u0026#39;s been a year. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, yeah, yeah, yeah. So there, anyway, I think we\u0026#39;re gonna have a good. We\u0026#39;re gonna have a good, a good event. We have about 70 free zoners and we have another 90 guests. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh my goodness, wow, okay, great. Yeah, so hopefully that will yield some new free zoners too. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, okay, dean, see you on Saturday. Thanks, dan, bye, and just let Becca know, you know, and she\u0026#39;ll work things out. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, that sounds great, okay, okay, thanks, bye, bye. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In today's episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we reflect on serenity in nature and technology, drawing parallels between Cloudlandia and meticulously raked sand. \r\n \r\nWoven into our talk is AI and how it's changing everything, from Evan's course helping us out at work to all the crazy experiments shaking things up. We get into how innovation unexpectedly boosted my creativity, which we're calling \"exponential tinkering\". \r\n\r\nAs our annual event nears, lessons in \"exponential thinking\" add to the anticipation of a reunited community and potential for growth. ","date_published":"2024-03-13T09:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/cf5ff4d4-fefe-45e5-a0f9-268ffff259dd.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":40828217,"duration_in_seconds":3399}]},{"id":"7f3bd292-2ed1-4915-bd9b-e10de91d9242","title":"Ep121: Intellectual Property in the Era of Innovation and Adaptation","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/121","content_text":"In today’s episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we embark on a reflective journey through the lens of history. We examine the perceived hardships of modern life compared to past decades like the 1950s and 1960s.\n\nDrawing on personal experiences, I note how some aspects of the human condition remain unchanged despite technological and social evolution. \n\nShifting to practical topics, we discuss strategies for leveraging intellectual property, especially during economic downturns. Adapting to changes and maintaining resilience emerge as significant when transforming ideas into tangible assets. \n\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\n\n\nIn this episode we reflect on how technological advancements have transformed personal and societal challenges compared to past decades.\nDan examines the prevalence of mental health discussions in contemporary society versus the silence around such issues in the 50s and 60s.\nWe explore the philosophical implications of our tech-saturated age through the ideas of Italian philosopher Augusto del Noce on atheism and technology.\nDan and I question if the abundance of knowledge and advancements in AI truly contribute to happiness or complicate our understanding of the world.\nWe consider whether technology, like virtual reality, adds new dimensions to life or repackages what has always existed.\n discussions on the military's use of advanced technology, such as eye-controlled systems, and its trickle into civilian life.\nWe share insights on the transformation of media consumption habits and the strategic benefits of converting intellectual property into tangible assets.\nI underscore the importance of adaptability and resilience, especially when leveraging intellectual property during economic challenges.\nDan and I share personal experiences, noting that while the geographical footprint expands, human connection and existence remain constant.\nWe ponder the impact of innovations on our daily lives and the need to adapt to chase tangible achievements in the face of technological change.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean: Mr Sullivan,\n\nDan: Mr Jackson,\n\nDean: it would be a tragedy if these calls were not recorded. It really would. \n\nDan: That would be the truth. \n\nDean: Isn't it nice? \n\nDan: that they're automatically recorded and we don't have to remember to do it. Yeah, just feels organic, so welcome back. Yeah, it's been a few, a couple of weeks here. \n\nDean: Yeah, you know, here's a, here's a thought that I was just pondering, that it seems to me that, as cloud by India expands people's real world experience not real world, but mainland experience they're both. Mainland experience seems to be more challenging and seems to be, in some cases, more vaccine and more traumatic. Okay, do you have some exhibits? That's my thought, that's my cheerful thought for the day. \n\nDan: Do you have some exhibits for your argument? \n\nDean: Well, there's such an emphasis now on meltdown, people having nervous breakdowns, which I don't remember at all growing up, you know 50s 60s? I don't remember any talk like this, but now it's constant, every day. You know people. \n\nDan: And it's everywhere right. \n\nDean: Like now this is. Yeah, I mean everywhere that I know it's much of the world in humanity that I don't know, but everywhere I know, it's not so much that the people that I'm talking to, our experience, and it's not that it's a narrative. You know that. You know these are the most trying times that humans have ever had, and I said well, first, of all. I don't even know how you would know that you know? \n\nDan: how would you know? How would you know? Yes, I mean, if you haven't been there, you probably your knowledge of 150 years ago is probably pretty slim. \n\nDean: How about the dark ages? That would have to be pretty yeah. \n\nDan: Well, I, you know, I don't know, you know, I don't know. \n\nDean: I mean, I think it's a comparison, and I think somebody's got a point to make. When they say the dark ages. Well, they probably weren't dark for the people who were in the dark ages. They probably weren't dark for the people who were in them. \n\nDan: Right, exactly, that's so funny. \n\nDean: Well, the Roman. \n\nDan: Empire seemed to have a pretty good time, didn't they? \n\nDean: Yeah, well, you know, life is life. You know, you know, and yeah, it's a discussion I have with people who are talking about the future and I said I'm going to guarantee you one thing about the future is that when you get there, it's going to feel normal. \n\nDan: And we're going to. It's funny. \n\nDean: I think that would be disappointing to a lot of people, because they think that the future is going to transform them. And I said well, not anymore than the past. Did I remember how? \n\nDan: to find the old. I would say these are the good old times. Yeah, like that's the reality. Is wherever right now. It's just the distance of it right Like if you're thinking. You know, in the past, that was just a reflection of a moment in the present. At one point you know, yeah, well, the reason was we were thinking about the future. \n\nDean: The reason was we were. We were at Genius Network this week and the subject of Apple's new Provision goggles came out. Okay, I don't know if you've experimented yet I haven't. And not, but they said this is going to change everything. \n\nDan: And I said wait a minute. \n\nDean: You're in a half. Ai was going to change everything. And you know I got up this morning and you know my life doesn't feel that much different than when the day before AI was introduced. Yes, at. \n\nDan: GVT. \n\nDean: Yes, and I said and so I began thinking about that that you're using basically a Cloud Landia phenomenon to save. That phenomenon is going to change everything. And and I said, well, you know, I mean who's talking. I mean my question is who's talking? Maybe it's going to change you, but you know, for most people there I mean half the world won't even know about it 10 years from now. \n\nDan: Yeah, like that's. You know, it's so funny. It reminds me of the. You know, how do you? It's like asking a fish how do you like the water? \n\nYeah, yeah, they don't have any recollection of what you're reading. The water, yeah, gen Z is now. You know, all the Gen Zs have no idea about a world without Internet and social media and everything on demand. I mean, they have no idea about there being three channels on TV that broadcast everything to everyone at the same time and not when you watch what they put out. I mean, that's pretty, it's pretty amazing, right, and it was in black and white. \n\nDean: In black and white, on a dream. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: You had to jiggle with the antenna to make sure that you're receiving that day. Yeah, you didn't think anything strange about it, that's just. You know, that's just what you had to do. \n\nDan: Eating your TV dinner and it's tinfoil plate and your Jiffy popcorn. \n\nDean: I remember those as being quite tasty. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: Isn't that? \n\nDan: funny though, dan. I mean, I do think about that a lot. I just I extended the southerly boundary of my footprint on the planet a couple of weekends ago. I was down in. Miami, in Brickle, at Giovanni Marceco's Archangel event. He invited me down and yeah, so it was just a you know another world. You know expand everything happening. You know people bustling around all in there, certainly a lot of traffic, every you know on the mainland things are Largely status quo, you know, and getting more. \n\nDean: Yeah, you got to pick your time. You got to be more intelligent about picking when you decide to travel these things you know, but I got a feeling that's been that way, you know, Since we could transport ourselves. But I think the question I have is. What is it about, the president? That's not okay with you you know, and. I did this diagram, which I'm going to develop into a thinking exercise. I love that. \n\nYeah, and it's, and I think you've seen it, I think you've seen it and what I have is a sheet of paper and the diagram goes from lower left to upper right. Okay, and down at the bottom there's a little circle and that's at the upper left. Upper right is a bigger circle, and underneath the little circle is here, and under above the Bigger circle in the upper right-hand corner is there, and then I draw a line that's got an arrow head you know, it's a straight arrowhead and it's called striving. \n\nDan: And I said I'm. \n\nDean: This is a portrait of your entire life. I'm going to tell you your as entrepreneurs. So I'm just going to tell you your entire life is. You're here and you're striving to get there. \n\nStriving, I said how many of you remember, this is the way it was at 10 years old, 30 years old, some of you 50 years old. I can remember 70 years old. Okay, that was just what I say. So let's say you start at 10 and now you're 60 years old and One thing is absolutely true you have a lifetime, 50 year habit every day, lifetime habit reinforced, of being here but striving to get there. I said so With that very pure habit in place. What do you think the chances are? At 60, you're going to be there. \n\nDan: That's it's so, it's profound Right, but it fits in with the cap and the game too, in a way. \n\nDean: Yeah, so actually 10 years ago. The reason I'm bringing this up is 10 years ago I Decided that I'm there and now, the job is not to get anywhere. The job is just to expand the quality and quantity of the there that I'm at mm-hmm okay and, and I had this exercise and you did, which is called your best decade ever, and I decided, when I look back, that I've achieved more Between 70 and a couple months, 80 70 to 80. \n\nI've achieved more in the last 10 years than I did in the previous 70 years. \n\nDan: And what do you? Did you set out with that as your intention, or did you know? Is that my? \n\nDean: intention. I just made a decision. I remember that 10 years ago, when I was 70 and yeah, there was, if you remember, there was a big party and I mean, how can I forget? \n\nDan: you just recently forgave me for lying to you. Yeah there was a. \n\nDean: Dirty lying culprit Involved in that and I love him in spite of that. \n\nDan: I love, there we go, thank you. \n\nDean: Thank you and anyway, but I was reflecting that I'm there, you know, I'm there and there's no. And it shows up in two ways, dean, and it is that I've noticed, and I this just occurred to me one day, because people say Would you like to meet so-and-so, and I said not really right really, and I don't have any particular reasons, it's like yeah, somebody said who's the person that, if you could, you would love most to have dinner with and I said Jackson. \n\nI said, certainly someone I know, certainly some what I know knows. You haven't met them yet. And I said, nah, I can't think of anyone you know. And they said yeah, but you know, yeah, I mean, is there anyone in the you know that's gonna be different in the future and I said yeah, but that just that's built into the formula. \n\nI said you know, every year we bring you know close to a thousand new entrepreneurs into the program and I know a lot of a thousand there's gonna be. You know a handful of them that I really get to know and they're you know, they're bright, they're exciting, they're ambitious, they're creative, they're doing all sorts of interesting things. I so, just as matter, of course, I'm gonna meet them and they said no. But you know, I mean, would you like to meet Taylor Swift? \n\nI said no, what would we talk about? And somebody was gonna introduce me Actually the I was described to this person. That person said I'd really like to meet him and it was a famous politician. They'd like to meet this guy. And so they said would you call him because he'd really like to talk to you? And I said but I don't have anything to say. He may think of a reason for meeting me, but I don't have any reason for meeting him, you know. And I've got so many really bright people that I know. \n\nThat I'm having great conversations with I don't you know, I don't really want to. It would be a lot of effort, you know a lot of effort. Yeah it would be a, it would be a guess and a bet. \n\nDan: Where I'm working with I'm working with guarantees, you know so. \n\nDean: Anyway. But the other aspect of this where's the place in the world? You haven't been yet. I said can't think of any. You know that you'd like to really go to. I say I can't think of any. Right you know, maybe when I'm in London I'll head in the northwest direction rather than you know the other directions. Have already gone in to see what's five or six streets away and I know in. \n\nLondon. You're in London, you're always running into something new. No longer, no matter how long you're there, you're doing that. So I've got those two things and I think it's a function of the decision I made 10 years ago. You know that there's nobody I particularly want to meet. There's no one, a particular Place that I want to go, and I think the reason is because I've decided that. \n\nDan: I'm there. Do you know? What's so funny, dan, is that is very similar thinking to what I did in 1999 with the. I know I'm being successful when I'm thinking about that. It's being is the state of being here. You can only, you can only be in the present doing it's being right being yeah, it's really interesting. \n\nDean: I've been reading this several volume series by this Italian philosopher, truly a philosopher. Augusto del noce died around 1990 and it's on atheism. As it seems, that is Last 25 years of his life. \n\nHe was just zeroing on this one subject of atheism, which is kind of a new thing on the planet, you know, goes back the beginning of it is maybe 400 years ago and it probably coincides when we to have the tools and we started to have a financing to do things scientifically, you know, and people notice that as they, they develop scientific concepts and then technology enabled them to measure In a way that they hadn't been able to measure. They discovered brand new things and they just said, since we have this growing ability and it seems like it'll grow forever why do we need God? \n\nSo, why do we need heaven when we can create our own heaven here? And that was a guess in a bet and it's. It Seems to me that they haven't really been successful. But anyway, I was, I was just. I've read a couple of them twice and I'm on a new one right now, and he's just introduced this vast universe of different thinkers who contribute some aspect To what we would call atheism today. \n\nYou know which is essentially the denial of that One there is a God and number two, that a God is needed. You know that perfectly okay, ourselves. And and since I've been writing that, I've just been increasingly aware of the topic, the subject I started the conversation with, on my part today. Which was, it seems to me, as we develop these incredible technological abilities. So there's no question that AI. I don't know anything about the new ones, so I don't have any opinion on it, but to that it's not making people happy right Like perfect. \n\nDan: You know, there's great words that I heard Peter Diamandis talking about one time a perfect knowledge that you can see that we're moving to a place where we're wearing let's call them sunglasses now you know like goggles, not the big thing that apple just put out, but that's if we liken that to the first cell phones that were those big brick Cell phones. \n\nIf we, you know, link that down to, if we take the progress of those, you know VR and AR, you know goggles to be more like, you know, super thin Sun glasses that just look like glasses and we couple that with the advancement in VR or in, you know, ai, in our pocket or attached to our Wrist or whatever, however that goes, that we will reach a point where we know we would have access to knowing everything about everything that's known by visual or auditory cues, right like being able to walk through A city and have, through facial recognition, everything about a particular person, or to walk through a forest and see every, you know, animal butterfly, you know all of those things then there's not going to be any mystery of things. I think you know, like if you just Fast-forward these things, the speed. \n\nDean: Friction is what you're getting out of Peter D Amonus saying this. \n\nDan: I'm saying, I'm looking, what Peter D Amonus said he was the one that I first heard say those words perfect knowledge and I'm translating it into when we're headed now, where we see that it's not too far of a stretch to see the combination of chat T AI and the, you know, ar Sunglasses augmented or virtual reality Sunglass or glasses to be able to view the world through those lenses and have reflected up on the screen or in front of us All the data about somebody or about anything that it sees. You know, it's really almost the way. You know, the need for the more friction Involved ways of gathering knowledge would have been like if you had to let's say you saw this amazing Flower or something out on a walk you'd have to remember, remember it or draw or make notes of it. Then you'd have to go to the encyclopedia you know a botany and you'd have to go through, or even go to the library and look in the dewy decimal card catalog system for Flowers and look for a book that you could scan through to find that maybe somebody has documented what this particular, what this particular flower is. \n\nThe friction of gathering knowledge was so, you know, so involved in friction, and the more that you Knew, the more that you could store in your, in your brain. That was sort of a measure of Intelligence, right, or a measure of the fact that you knew stuff. That's an advantage for Things. But now if we get to a point where everybody has perfect knowledge, you don't. You have to look at it and see okay, that's the, you know Whatever that, whatever that is, or that person is this, or this product is this or that I'll get you. \n\nDean: I'll give you someone who has a yearly experience of I'm very smart. You know him Peter Steven Poulter. The. \n\nIVF doctor and he says you know the thrill of being in this field because the all, basically most medical breakthroughs happen in the Pregnancy and like the first year of life. So most you know if you watch where the money goes and Medical science, it has to do with pregnancy, conception, pregnancy, birth and then probably the first year of life and the other one is the last 12 months of life. Okay, and that's Experimenting to see if we can keep someone alive. You know, beyond, yeah, normal and he says that. He says from my perspective as a Doctor and a scientist, he said every year it seems to me that we know 10 times more About pregnancy because he's an IVF doctor and vitro realization, and he's a great you know, and the Statistics gathered by the US government Indicate that's true he's in the top top. \n\nYou know five and and he says but the problem is that when you know 10 times more, you're is set with the 10 times greater Universe of what you don't know. \n\nDan: That the 10 times new knowledge has opened. \n\nDean: Yes, yes okay. So, and I was just pondering this, as people are saying well, dan, have you tried out? There's a new provision, yet I haven't. \n\nDan: I said no, I haven't. \n\nDean: I haven't answered two questions. I don't have the answer to two questions. They said what's the questions? I said does this Experience a provision? Does it increase or decrease? \n\nDan: I bet it just where would you put your main line, dopamine? Yeah, you don't even have to move your hands anymore. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, that's the first question. The second thing, the second question I have if I don't do it, am I missing anything? \n\nDan: I, you know. What's very interesting too is that to me, the visual that I'm getting also is that Even chat, gpt and all of those things are decidedly backward-looking, meaning it's only trained on what's known knowledge. \n\nDean: Yeah, I'll actually. All creativity is backward-looking. Okay, I mean if it's worth anything, you know. \n\nDan: I mean. \n\nDean: I mean, the apple is really great at this, because apples never first to do anything, you know as right. \n\nDan: There's a highly valued. \n\nDean: You know on a consistent basis they're most highly valued corporation in the world. But they've never actually Done anything new. Just do what already exists a lot better. \n\nDan: Wow, yes, so you wonder what is? So the probe and there is anything new. \n\nDean: What I can see about the provision, because the goggles already exist. It's you know, it's an upgrade on you know what, palmer, lucky probably created the bag and then, you know emails already. They say you can do emails with your eyes and you know you can do search with your eyes. \n\nDan: You can you know everything else. \n\nDean: But I said, these things already exist. They're just pulling together and integrating something that wasn't able to be done. That the same time, you know, and you know it's really pricey, I mean it's, you know, I mean it's reassuringly expensive. \n\nThey've tried other goggles how much is your program? Reassuringly expensive, that's that I'll tell you. The sales team is gonna have that line tomorrow. It's what? And they say, well, why is it? Reassure me? And I said you know, you know who's not going to be in the room. What they're doing is already exists with the US Air Force, and then All the pilots, that everything they, those pilots, do, is done with their eyes. They have this screen. That's not a screen. I mean, there's no screen, but they see a screen. They see the and they operate with five other planes. So almost every Mission where they sent one of the new hyperjets, the pilot feels himself as a group of six. He's a member of a group of six and he can tell exactly what the other five are doing. \n\nYou know he doesn't have to turn. It said he doesn't because he can see it on the screen. Plus, he can see 500 miles in all direction. This is all done with the eyes. These pilots have to train themselves to do Everything with their eyes. Well, that already exists. You know they're bringing that down to a civilian, civilian thing. But you know the whole question I have are the stakes big enough that I would teach myself a new skill? \n\nDan: Mmm, right, or does it fit, can you? Well, that's it right. This is. I've been Test-driving, by the way, dan the, and it gets good reaction. They can I. Is there any way for me to get this without doing anything Is a good place to start. \n\nDean: Well, check your limit on your card. Yeah, and first of all it's an anti-social activity because you're putting goggles on, so nobody's going to be around you when you have your goggles. But Mike Kenix was there the other day and Mike said you know, he says you have your mind, has no grasp of you until you've done it. And I says that's fair. I said that's totally fair. I understand that the question Is there enough of a compelling offer that I would even want to have experience? And I think that would be measured measured in the mainland, not in, not in Kauvalandia, I think, whether it was worse. I think whether anything is worth it. It really has a function. Does it register? Is it measurable? Progress in the mainland, right, I think you're right. \n\nWell, I'll give you an idea, your studio, your great studio which, yes, we'll have our will have a copy of in September or October of this year. I'll see that the team is in there now. We have eight studios. I have eight studios and they're gonna be you know, up-to-date technologically and and but the thing that compelled me to, first of all, for us to Follow your lead and really investigate what your studio is doing, one of our team members whose key to the Execution here came down to Orlando you know, yes you're. \n\nAnd went there and they said it's fantastic and they're very helpful and they'll help us any way we want, and. But the thing was suggest how much you get done in the mainland was what prompted us to look into it. \n\nDan: Yeah, I mean, that's it's so. You know, that was kind of that before you brought it up, even thinking, I remember the day sitting in the cafe writing in my journal about okay, I want to start doing more video stuff, and asking myself the equivalent of that. You know thinking, because I'm definitely trained in thinking who, not how. But I caught myself really going down a how path of thinking okay, what do I need? You know, at least two of these. I need two cameras, I need lighting, I need what am I going to have for the background? I was already visualizing how I would rearrange one of the rooms in my office to be the, you know, always ready studio kind of thing. And then it really dawned on me about that that it's already there. Is there? That's the equivalent of is there any way I can get this without doing anything? And we literally went, you know, straight there and set up, signed a contract and recorded the very next morning. I mean, it's just so funny that the pressure not allowed and I realized that was you know. \n\nI was at the end of the 12 weeks. I signed a 12 week contract that. I had already, you know, I had 12 weeks worth of content in you know, created and already documented, and we hadn't even reached the point of what one of those cameras would cost. \n\nDean: Like. Each of them got three cameras that are $6,000. \n\nDan: You know the microphones are $1,000 each. The that sound for the studio environment. I mean the whole thing, the software, the all of it. It's a crazy thing when you really start thinking about it's the only way to do this without doing anything, and that's part it's so parallel you know I've been talking about. Imagine if you apply your self SELF, sphere is things around you. Is there somebody else as a service or someone that you know that could just do this without you having to do anything? \n\nDean: Yeah, the thing is that I'll you know, I can think of some team members that. I'll encourage and we'll you know we'll finance it. Have some finance. Who would be interested in looking that provision and see what application it would have to the normal course of business, of speeding things up, making things easier, you know, and everything, and so funny. \n\nI was having a conversation with someone and he said I mean, he was texting you know and about. We were with him for about two hours and he probably texted you know 15 times to our hours and received text and you know and to our he's excuse me, I just have to take five minutes to do this. And so I said what would you see on the average day that you're involved in texting busy? \n\nAnd I said, and I suspect, if you do it on five days a week, you actually do it on seven days a week. \n\nDan: Yeah, exactly. \n\nDean: I don't think you take a weekend off from this habit. So so anyway, and he says well, you know, a light day is maybe a hundred texts and you know, a really filled, filled up day is 400 texts. \n\nDan: And. \n\nDean: I said you know that you're lower number, 100. That's more than I've done in my lifetime. \n\nDan: More than more texts than you've done. Yeah, yeah, 100. I haven't done 100. \n\nDean: I haven't done 100 texts in my lifetime. I mean, yeah and it's, and that would be 95% to Babs, you know and you know, and mostly I use emojis. I've become very Egyptian. I can do. I can do hieroglyphics with emojis and I can get a message and I like it. You know thumbs up times three. You know times. \n\nDan: Smiley guy with sunglasses you know, I mean, you can do a lot of creative work with emojis, but except that we're apart. \n\nDean: The only reason I'm doing this because we're apart, you know we're not in the same location, otherwise we just chat. But the thing is that this person, when I look at what he gets done, I get sometimes more done than he does in a day, certainly in a week or a month, you know, a week, a month or a quarter I get 10 times more done and I don't do any of it. You know, I don't do any of that stuff. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: I bet. That's part of the I mean it's not profitable productivity, it's the feeling, it's dopamine busyness yes, I agree 100%. \n\nDan: That's exactly where I that's what I've been catching myself, you know is this is really taking a look at that and realizing how much of this is, you know, really counterproductive. You know a lot of ways. \n\nI was saying I had a breakthrough blueprint at celebration last week Monday, Tuesday, wednesday and we were talking about, you know, 19,. I was bringing up the idea that you and I had been talking about the 25 year frames, and you know we're talking about your 70 to 80 best decade ever, and how. You know, three years I'm going to be 60 and then it'll be 20. The next 25 year framework I'll be 85, you know. So, looking back 28 years ago you're not discussed like that takes you all the way back to, you know, 1996, 1995, whatever that, whatever that is and realizing that everything that we look at right now that is so important to our lives wasn't even in existence. \n\nThen you know, like we, I still remember in 1997, when internet was just starting to become mainstream and it was definitely a place out there that you went to go to. You know you would go to the internet from your primary world on the mainland and it was a distraction, it was something it was starting to dip into. Maybe you know TV time or something that you would do otherwise. And then I remember, you know, gradually it became more and more, and 2007 I view as the tipping point, when we started with the iPhone bringing the internet with us and the app world becoming vital functions for going through our days. And now we're at a point where it's so woven into our existence that it's like water and we don't even remember, you know, I mean, all the talk now is what would happen if the grid went down. \n\nIndeed, dan, what would happen if the grid, the internet, went down? Not the power, not electricity, but let's say that the network goes down. So many things would be, you know, so many things would be messed up. We don't know how to survive without it. I was joking about that article. I remember, in the New York Times or GQ, I think it was magazine had a journalist that they sent, you know, to try and survive in New York City for a week where their only means of contact with the outside world was the internet see if he could make it. \n\nAnd he searched, you know, in this bulletin board, and he found this restaurant, this Chinese restaurant that had a menu and they would. You could order delivery on the internet, you know, and he slowly survived with those things. But now it's so exactly the opposite that it would be challenging to survive in New York City a week without the internet you know, it's just so how things have switched. You're the closest thing you're the closest thing I know of to being, you know, amish in the I've been involved in it. \n\nDean: Yeah, I mean yeah, and one is, my life is not that much different. I mean, I certainly made use of the technology. I mean there's no question and I enjoy the. You know, I enjoy the internet and I mostly enjoy it for YouTube, I would say YouTube yeah, because I can get really in-depth, one-hour explanations of a particular topic you know, and Peter Zion is very good at his eight minute, 10 minute, 15, very, very good at it and. \n\nI really enjoy that. And then I'll watch all the action scenes out of Denzel Washington's new Sicily film, you know and. I mean, you don't have to watch a whole Denzel Washington movie to get the essence, you know it's about 20 minutes of really hardcore violence, you know. \n\nDan: Yeah right. \n\nDean: And he, you know, and he wishes the other person hadn't gotten him into this situation. He says no, I was just going about my life here. You know, it would have been better if you left me alone but here we are, you know and you got about 10 seconds to decide whether you're going to live or not, you know. \n\nSo I'm just looking at my watch right now and three seconds to say you know, and I enjoy that, it's like a little you know palate, you know refreshing. And then I'll go back and I'll look at some question that occurs to me. I wonder you know what happened in this historical situation? Sure enough, you can find one or two or three you know, yeah movies, or you know videos, or something on the internet. \n\nyou know and you can do that and it's very conducive for my ADB brain to have that activity and people say well, how much. You read a lot. No, I told people you know I haven't watched television at all, and Joe I. It'll be six years that I haven't watched nothing. All the football. I haven't watched any of it, Nothing. \n\nI haven't watched anything, but what I've discovered is that no football game has more than 10 minutes of action. And so I just watched the highlights. And then I don't want to see the highlights for the other teams, I just want to see the highlights for my team. That's about six minutes. And I said, geez, all those games I spent watching hour after hour on television. I could have gotten 10 or 15 of the men and the time it would take to do it, but you know, you kind of zero in on what's the dopamine part of the exercise. You know the activity so, but I resist the notion that this is going to change my life. I just resist the idea. Well, this changes everything. And I said, well, you know, speak for yourself you know, change anything for me, right? \n\nDan: And we're both tourists. \n\nDean: We're both tourists, yes, and we will sacrifice no pleasure for something new. \n\nDan: Right, oh man, that's so funny. \n\nDean: Any existing pleasure. We will not put that on the table as a bet. \n\nDan: Yeah, we like our current pleasures, that's right. \n\nDean: Oh yeah, so you know, and the thing is, the world is made up of all sorts, and so you've got to have the people who are, you know, the people who are just crazy nuts about the future, you know and you know, and there's people who say well, you know, as far as human nature goes, I haven't seen anything particularly new in 79 years. Right, interesting, I'm not saying not interesting. I just haven't seen a lot of new stuff happening with the fundamental change in people. \n\nDan: Right yeah. So how are you? How are you looking at your next best decade ever? You're months away, days away. \n\nDean: Yeah, the big thing is that we've discovered a great capability in the last two years, and that is that our thinking tools, coach tools, seem to translate easily into patents. Okay, so we started in April with a big batch. \n\nWe you know we put in dozens of applications and they're starting to come in and we've got 12 now since April, we've got 12 patents and these are, you know, these have asset values. They're like every patent is like you created a house, you know, and it's got a marketplace value. The moment you get the asset, you know, you get the you know notification from the patent bureau that this is now a patent. \n\nAnd there seems to be something good about our thinking tools. You know strategy circle, pre-focus and buffer days. There seems to be something about our thinking tools that resonate with what they consider to be a patent. You know, something that can be granted a patent. So this is very exciting, because all we're doing is taking stuff that's been created over the last 35 years and giving it an asset value beyond just getting paid for it in workshops, you know. \n\nSo it's it's growing and we're not doing that. It's a whole team of other people. We just write it a check. And you know a year later, we get back an asset that is, at the minimum, 10 times more you know, greater than our investment. \n\nDan: I mean that's you know 10 to one in a year is pretty good to return that investment. \n\nDean: So I'm very excited about that because we just have vast Dean. You can't believe how much stuff we've got in the store room. You know just a sheer number of ideas that we have and all of them are popping up in my mind. \n\nWe're going back through documents I created 25 years ago. I said, geez, that was a great idea, but it had no present use so it didn't have a value. But here you can take everything and increase the value. I would say, the next 10 years, the amount of asset value we will create in intellectual property and on patents will equal the total amount of, will be the total amount of revenues we've created since 1989. Wow, yeah. So that's what I'm excited about. \n\nDan: Wow, and that's where the program is. \n\nDean: That's where the program is going. I mean, Dean, if you went through all your, all your notes, all the notebooks that you created and everything else. I bet there's a gold mine there that it can't. \n\nDan: No, I understand that intellectually, I understand that there's lots of that. I get that. I just I can't. When I have a hard time wrapping my mind around is to what end? You know like. I wonder what the. \n\nDean: If you were ever in, you know. First of all, that tells you that its property is the fact that you can barrel against it, not that we need it. \n\nDan: Right. \n\nDean: And I will tell you, we had this scamper a little bit during COVID and we had this scamper a little bit during the meltdown in 0809 where we lost the bottom of our program. I mean the revenues for the people who were at the lowest level. We just instantly lost it, you know, for a year and a half or two years, and unfortunately we went into our own reserves, our own personal reserves. \n\nDan: Absolutely. \n\nDean: And we could. You know we could finance the company but it was nervous. Used up weeks of her time you know, I don't want to hear you just call a number and you say I'd like to. You know the way it's all set up now with the, you know, the appraisal companies and then the loans loan companies. It's all set up and we'll get to know all those people. \n\nSo the assessed value is up to date every day, and so it puts you in a position where your cash confidence. I like the game that the strategic coach represents and I just wanted to go on and on, and I don't want to be, wasting time with nervous crises, right exactly. \n\nDan: Yes, it's a good way of putting it nervous crises, that's a. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, I mean, there's creative crises, but the nervous ones I could do without, right? Oh, that's so funny. Is there any way I can solve this problem? By doing nothing? That's right, I'm not doing anything. \n\nDan: Well, that's as close as you could get. I guess, when you think about it like that seems to me perfect knowledge. \n\nDean: Yes exactly All this numbers. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: I don't get the value of knowing everything you know I don't get the value of instantaneously knowing what would. Yeah, and besides, we already created that technology. \n\nDan: Who was that? Who was the famous? You know the old story of the gentleman that said he doesn't need to know those things. He has a button on his desk and whenever I need to know anything I'll push that button and seven men will show up in here and one of them will know the answer to what I'm looking for Henry Ford yeah it was Henry Ford, that's right. \n\nDean: Yes, I could summon someone, but we've already created the technology for perfect knowledge. And you're going to say, dan, what is the technology? \n\nDan: for perfect knowledge. Well, what is it? \n\nDean: Dan, it's called God. Okay, so they don't have access to it. But they said, no, we're going to get off, we're going to get away. You know, and I'm not joking here, because when you read these books, you realize that it's a desire not to be dependent upon at all, upon the entity that created you. And I said, well, I'm okay with it, right, right. And they say, well, it's like you're dependent upon God. And I said, hey, well, first of all, I'm very comfortable to know that he exists, or she, whatever, in this transgender age Anyway. \n\nBut I have a feeling. You know, I've had a feeling since I was a kid that I'm connected to something that's transformative and it's way above my ability to know things, and you know I'm okay with that, I don't lose any energy over that, but I think there's this one of the. \n\nIn reading these many books on atheism I automatically translate. When I read a lot that is very deep subject and a person has spent their whole life doing it I always think is there some aspect of this that I can just capture and write a quarterly book on? And it came to me after I've been reading El Noce, the Italian philosopher, for about a year and what I came to is a title. I always go for the title. \n\nDan: Yeah, of course that'll see. \n\nDean: Yeah, and the title is atheism is very hard work. \n\nDan: Oh boy. \n\nDean: It's very hard work. Yeah, these guys people were atheists just have to. I mean, it's 24, seven. I tell you there's no harder work on the planet than being an atheist, oh my goodness. Because they're on the lookout for anybody who even suggests that there's a God, and you know it, they get angry and they you know they have to get into an argument. I said, geez, that's a lot of work, that's a lot of work. \n\nDan: Yes, it's so funny, dan, and observant and true, it's like those things. It's funny. It's like those isms, right, like veganism. Yeah, you know, yeah. \n\nDean: I mean you can't sleep, compel even jelly. I mean you can't relax, you can't sleep. I mean isms. \n\nDan: I mean you know except quick start ism. Right, yes, you watch Dan Tucker Carlson's interview with Putin. \n\nDean: Yeah, I think Tucker Carlson did himself a lot of good, uh-huh. \n\nDan: I think so Absolutely. \n\nDean: Yeah, I mean, he wasn't any different with Putin. \n\nDan: You know, I mean, this is the guy who's gonna get you thrown off the top of the building. \n\nDean: You know he didn't see many more you know, yeah, he's got more sex than he is with anyone Anyone. You know he just Right, right right. As a matter of fact, there's a couple of situations where he just kind of broke out laughing. Yes, exactly. \n\nDan: I can't believe. \n\nDean: You just said that. \n\nDan: Right, but it was very interesting to hear Putin's history lessons. You know, going all the way back. \n\nDean: Yeah, well you know, you gotta look at it from their point of view. They are the easiest country historically to invade. I mean they have about 13 different gateways where enemies can send their troops. It's a flat country, you know. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: I mean US has 3000 mile moat on the east and they have a 5000 mile moat on the west and they've got pot smoking Canadians on the north, you know, I see their no threat, oh my goodness. And then you have the Gulf of Mexico and the Caribbean on the south and then where they're connected to Mexico, it's 200 miles of desert mountains. I mean you can die before you can get across that thing. So the US, but Russia is just the opposite. I mean not only can people invade, they've been invaded 50 times since his 800 number, you know, whatever the year is. I mean Right, they have real honesty, got reason for being paranoid. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's so funny. I thought it was funny when he was saying how you know, he asked about joining NATO. I thought to myself because this isn't the whole purpose of NATO to protect against Soviet expansion. Well, let's get in on that. Why don't we join that too? \n\nDean: But you know you got to look at it from his you know, I mean you don't have to agree with his point of view, but you at least have to know what his point of view is. And if I was his point of view, I mean he was born to nobody and he you know. Through diligence and hard work he got to be a colonel in the KGB. \n\nAnd I have to tell you if you were in the Soviet Union before it collapsed there was no more better job and status in the world than being, you know, a, you know, up and coming officer in the KGB. They got to travel, they had their own stores, they could have somebody arrested and killed. You know, you know pretty easily, and everything else I said you know. You can see it. He took his career, took a real drop when the wall fell. You know so well. \n\nDan: Dan, we said it all. How do we do it? How do we do? I mean, we said it all really, but there's always knowledge though there's always more. \n\nDean: That's exactly right, yeah, the one thing about what knowledge is being made up on a daily basis, so I don't know how the word perfect fits in there, right? I mean, we just created over the last hour, we just created some new knowledge. \n\nDan: That's exactly right. That's what. So it's visually like. It's really interesting. That's my vision of that. It's future blind. You know that GPT it's all only feeds on what's already been created. \n\nDean: Yeah, you know but there's still got to be some, if technology had feelings, which I don't think it does. I think AI should be more nervous about humanity than humanity should be nervous. \n\nDan: Right. \n\nDean: What are they going to come up with today? You know? I mean I feel like we've got it all organized every night and you know, at the morning and the morning we get back and the rock is down at the bottom of the hill again. We've got to push it up. That's so funny. That's so funny. Yeah, I think it's technology that's trying to keep up with humanity, and not the other way around. \n\nDan: Well, I'm excited, dan. It's almost a couple of weeks. Yeah, we've got a calendar date. \n\nDean: Yeah. I tell you we're going down the Thursday before we're arriving in the evening of the Thursday before. So, we've got Friday, saturday, sunday, monday. I think we got four days and we're at the four seasons. \n\nDan: Yes, that's great. When are you leaving? \n\nDean: Wednesday, the day after you know the day after the yeah, yeah, okay, yeah. \n\nDan: So we will have some time. We're on track. \n\nDean: We're on for next week. We're on for next week I like that, okay, perfect. Yeah, great Dan, we'll have a great week then. Great Dan, I will talk to you next week. \n\nDan: Thanks Okay, bye.","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn today’s episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we embark on a reflective journey through the lens of history. We examine the perceived hardships of modern life compared to past decades like the 1950s and 1960s.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eDrawing on personal experiences, I note how some aspects of the human condition remain unchanged despite technological and social evolution. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eShifting to practical topics, we discuss strategies for leveraging intellectual property, especially during economic downturns. Adapting to changes and maintaining resilience emerge as significant when transforming ideas into tangible assets. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul style=\"list-style-type: circle;\"\u003e\n\u003c/center\u003e\n\n\u003cli\u003eIn this episode we reflect on how technological advancements have transformed personal and societal challenges compared to past decades.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDan examines the prevalence of mental health discussions in contemporary society versus the silence around such issues in the 50s and 60s.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe explore the philosophical implications of our tech-saturated age through the ideas of Italian philosopher Augusto del Noce on atheism and technology.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDan and I question if the abundance of knowledge and advancements in AI truly contribute to happiness or complicate our understanding of the world.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe consider whether technology, like virtual reality, adds new dimensions to life or repackages what has always existed.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003e discussions on the military's use of advanced technology, such as eye-controlled systems, and its trickle into civilian life.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe share insights on the transformation of media consumption habits and the strategic benefits of converting intellectual property into tangible assets.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eI underscore the importance of adaptability and resilience, especially when leveraging intellectual property during economic challenges.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDan and I share personal experiences, noting that while the geographical footprint expands, human connection and existence remain constant.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe ponder the impact of innovations on our daily lives and the need to adapt to chase tangible achievements in the face of technological change.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Sullivan,\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Jackson,\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e it would be a tragedy if these calls were not recorded. It really would. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That would be the truth. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Isn\u0026#39;t it nice? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e that they\u0026#39;re automatically recorded and we don\u0026#39;t have to remember to do it. Yeah, just feels organic, so welcome back. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s been a few, a couple of weeks here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you know, here\u0026#39;s a, here\u0026#39;s a thought that I was just pondering, that it seems to me that, as cloud by India expands people\u0026#39;s real world experience not real world, but mainland experience they\u0026#39;re both. Mainland experience seems to be more challenging and seems to be, in some cases, more vaccine and more traumatic. Okay, do you have some exhibits? That\u0026#39;s my thought, that\u0026#39;s my cheerful thought for the day. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you have some exhibits for your argument? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, there\u0026#39;s such an emphasis now on meltdown, people having nervous breakdowns, which I don\u0026#39;t remember at all growing up, you know 50s 60s? I don\u0026#39;t remember any talk like this, but now it\u0026#39;s constant, every day. You know people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And it\u0026#39;s everywhere right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Like now this is. Yeah, I mean everywhere that I know it\u0026#39;s much of the world in humanity that I don\u0026#39;t know, but everywhere I know, it\u0026#39;s not so much that the people that I\u0026#39;m talking to, our experience, and it\u0026#39;s not that it\u0026#39;s a narrative. You know that. You know these are the most trying times that humans have ever had, and I said well, first, of all. I don\u0026#39;t even know how you would know that you know? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e how would you know? How would you know? Yes, I mean, if you haven\u0026#39;t been there, you probably your knowledge of 150 years ago is probably pretty slim. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e How about the dark ages? That would have to be pretty yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I, you know, I don\u0026#39;t know, you know, I don\u0026#39;t know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, I think it\u0026#39;s a comparison, and I think somebody\u0026#39;s got a point to make. When they say the dark ages. Well, they probably weren\u0026#39;t dark for the people who were in the dark ages. They probably weren\u0026#39;t dark for the people who were in them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, exactly, that\u0026#39;s so funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, the Roman. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Empire seemed to have a pretty good time, didn\u0026#39;t they? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, you know, life is life. You know, you know, and yeah, it\u0026#39;s a discussion I have with people who are talking about the future and I said I\u0026#39;m going to guarantee you one thing about the future is that when you get there, it\u0026#39;s going to feel normal. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And we\u0026#39;re going to. It\u0026#39;s funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that would be disappointing to a lot of people, because they think that the future is going to transform them. And I said well, not anymore than the past. Did I remember how? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e to find the old. I would say these are the good old times. Yeah, like that\u0026#39;s the reality. Is wherever right now. It\u0026#39;s just the distance of it right Like if you\u0026#39;re thinking. You know, in the past, that was just a reflection of a moment in the present. At one point you know, yeah, well, the reason was we were thinking about the future. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e The reason was we were. We were at Genius Network this week and the subject of Apple\u0026#39;s new Provision goggles came out. Okay, I don\u0026#39;t know if you\u0026#39;ve experimented yet I haven\u0026#39;t. And not, but they said this is going to change everything. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I said wait a minute. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You\u0026#39;re in a half. Ai was going to change everything. And you know I got up this morning and you know my life doesn\u0026#39;t feel that much different than when the day before AI was introduced. Yes, at. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e GVT. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, and I said and so I began thinking about that that you\u0026#39;re using basically a Cloud Landia phenomenon to save. That phenomenon is going to change everything. And and I said, well, you know, I mean who\u0026#39;s talking. I mean my question is who\u0026#39;s talking? Maybe it\u0026#39;s going to change you, but you know, for most people there I mean half the world won\u0026#39;t even know about it 10 years from now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, like that\u0026#39;s. You know, it\u0026#39;s so funny. It reminds me of the. You know, how do you? It\u0026#39;s like asking a fish how do you like the water? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, yeah, they don\u0026#39;t have any recollection of what you\u0026#39;re reading. The water, yeah, gen Z is now. You know, all the Gen Zs have no idea about a world without Internet and social media and everything on demand. I mean, they have no idea about there being three channels on TV that broadcast everything to everyone at the same time and not when you watch what they put out. I mean, that\u0026#39;s pretty, it\u0026#39;s pretty amazing, right, and it was in black and white. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e In black and white, on a dream. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You had to jiggle with the antenna to make sure that you\u0026#39;re receiving that day. Yeah, you didn\u0026#39;t think anything strange about it, that\u0026#39;s just. You know, that\u0026#39;s just what you had to do. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Eating your TV dinner and it\u0026#39;s tinfoil plate and your Jiffy popcorn. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I remember those as being quite tasty. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Isn\u0026#39;t that? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e funny though, dan. I mean, I do think about that a lot. I just I extended the southerly boundary of my footprint on the planet a couple of weekends ago. I was down in. Miami, in Brickle, at Giovanni Marceco\u0026#39;s Archangel event. He invited me down and yeah, so it was just a you know another world. You know expand everything happening. You know people bustling around all in there, certainly a lot of traffic, every you know on the mainland things are Largely status quo, you know, and getting more. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you got to pick your time. You got to be more intelligent about picking when you decide to travel these things you know, but I got a feeling that\u0026#39;s been that way, you know, Since we could transport ourselves. But I think the question I have is. What is it about, the president? That\u0026#39;s not okay with you you know, and. I did this diagram, which I\u0026#39;m going to develop into a thinking exercise. I love that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, and it\u0026#39;s, and I think you\u0026#39;ve seen it, I think you\u0026#39;ve seen it and what I have is a sheet of paper and the diagram goes from lower left to upper right. Okay, and down at the bottom there\u0026#39;s a little circle and that\u0026#39;s at the upper left. Upper right is a bigger circle, and underneath the little circle is here, and under above the Bigger circle in the upper right-hand corner is there, and then I draw a line that\u0026#39;s got an arrow head you know, it\u0026#39;s a straight arrowhead and it\u0026#39;s called striving. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I said I\u0026#39;m. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e This is a portrait of your entire life. I\u0026#39;m going to tell you your as entrepreneurs. So I\u0026#39;m just going to tell you your entire life is. You\u0026#39;re here and you\u0026#39;re striving to get there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eStriving, I said how many of you remember, this is the way it was at 10 years old, 30 years old, some of you 50 years old. I can remember 70 years old. Okay, that was just what I say. So let\u0026#39;s say you start at 10 and now you\u0026#39;re 60 years old and One thing is absolutely true you have a lifetime, 50 year habit every day, lifetime habit reinforced, of being here but striving to get there. I said so With that very pure habit in place. What do you think the chances are? At 60, you\u0026#39;re going to be there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s it\u0026#39;s so, it\u0026#39;s profound Right, but it fits in with the cap and the game too, in a way. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so actually 10 years ago. The reason I\u0026#39;m bringing this up is 10 years ago I Decided that I\u0026#39;m there and now, the job is not to get anywhere. The job is just to expand the quality and quantity of the there that I\u0026#39;m at mm-hmm okay and, and I had this exercise and you did, which is called your best decade ever, and I decided, when I look back, that I\u0026#39;ve achieved more Between 70 and a couple months, 80 70 to 80. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI\u0026#39;ve achieved more in the last 10 years than I did in the previous 70 years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And what do you? Did you set out with that as your intention, or did you know? Is that my? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e intention. I just made a decision. I remember that 10 years ago, when I was 70 and yeah, there was, if you remember, there was a big party and I mean, how can I forget? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e you just recently forgave me for lying to you. Yeah there was a. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Dirty lying culprit Involved in that and I love him in spite of that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I love, there we go, thank you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you and anyway, but I was reflecting that I\u0026#39;m there, you know, I\u0026#39;m there and there\u0026#39;s no. And it shows up in two ways, dean, and it is that I\u0026#39;ve noticed, and I this just occurred to me one day, because people say Would you like to meet so-and-so, and I said not really right really, and I don\u0026#39;t have any particular reasons, it\u0026#39;s like yeah, somebody said who\u0026#39;s the person that, if you could, you would love most to have dinner with and I said Jackson. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI said, certainly someone I know, certainly some what I know knows. You haven\u0026#39;t met them yet. And I said, nah, I can\u0026#39;t think of anyone you know. And they said yeah, but you know, yeah, I mean, is there anyone in the you know that\u0026#39;s gonna be different in the future and I said yeah, but that just that\u0026#39;s built into the formula. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI said you know, every year we bring you know close to a thousand new entrepreneurs into the program and I know a lot of a thousand there\u0026#39;s gonna be. You know a handful of them that I really get to know and they\u0026#39;re you know, they\u0026#39;re bright, they\u0026#39;re exciting, they\u0026#39;re ambitious, they\u0026#39;re creative, they\u0026#39;re doing all sorts of interesting things. I so, just as matter, of course, I\u0026#39;m gonna meet them and they said no. But you know, I mean, would you like to meet Taylor Swift? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI said no, what would we talk about? And somebody was gonna introduce me Actually the I was described to this person. That person said I\u0026#39;d really like to meet him and it was a famous politician. They\u0026#39;d like to meet this guy. And so they said would you call him because he\u0026#39;d really like to talk to you? And I said but I don\u0026#39;t have anything to say. He may think of a reason for meeting me, but I don\u0026#39;t have any reason for meeting him, you know. And I\u0026#39;ve got so many really bright people that I know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat I\u0026#39;m having great conversations with I don\u0026#39;t you know, I don\u0026#39;t really want to. It would be a lot of effort, you know a lot of effort. Yeah it would be a, it would be a guess and a bet. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Where I\u0026#39;m working with I\u0026#39;m working with guarantees, you know so. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Anyway. But the other aspect of this where\u0026#39;s the place in the world? You haven\u0026#39;t been yet. I said can\u0026#39;t think of any. You know that you\u0026#39;d like to really go to. I say I can\u0026#39;t think of any. Right you know, maybe when I\u0026#39;m in London I\u0026#39;ll head in the northwest direction rather than you know the other directions. Have already gone in to see what\u0026#39;s five or six streets away and I know in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eLondon. You\u0026#39;re in London, you\u0026#39;re always running into something new. No longer, no matter how long you\u0026#39;re there, you\u0026#39;re doing that. So I\u0026#39;ve got those two things and I think it\u0026#39;s a function of the decision I made 10 years ago. You know that there\u0026#39;s nobody I particularly want to meet. There\u0026#39;s no one, a particular Place that I want to go, and I think the reason is because I\u0026#39;ve decided that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m there. Do you know? What\u0026#39;s so funny, dan, is that is very similar thinking to what I did in 1999 with the. I know I\u0026#39;m being successful when I\u0026#39;m thinking about that. It\u0026#39;s being is the state of being here. You can only, you can only be in the present doing it\u0026#39;s being right being yeah, it\u0026#39;s really interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve been reading this several volume series by this Italian philosopher, truly a philosopher. Augusto del noce died around 1990 and it\u0026#39;s on atheism. As it seems, that is Last 25 years of his life. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHe was just zeroing on this one subject of atheism, which is kind of a new thing on the planet, you know, goes back the beginning of it is maybe 400 years ago and it probably coincides when we to have the tools and we started to have a financing to do things scientifically, you know, and people notice that as they, they develop scientific concepts and then technology enabled them to measure In a way that they hadn\u0026#39;t been able to measure. They discovered brand new things and they just said, since we have this growing ability and it seems like it\u0026#39;ll grow forever why do we need God? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo, why do we need heaven when we can create our own heaven here? And that was a guess in a bet and it\u0026#39;s. It Seems to me that they haven\u0026#39;t really been successful. But anyway, I was, I was just. I\u0026#39;ve read a couple of them twice and I\u0026#39;m on a new one right now, and he\u0026#39;s just introduced this vast universe of different thinkers who contribute some aspect To what we would call atheism today. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know which is essentially the denial of that One there is a God and number two, that a God is needed. You know that perfectly okay, ourselves. And and since I\u0026#39;ve been writing that, I\u0026#39;ve just been increasingly aware of the topic, the subject I started the conversation with, on my part today. Which was, it seems to me, as we develop these incredible technological abilities. So there\u0026#39;s no question that AI. I don\u0026#39;t know anything about the new ones, so I don\u0026#39;t have any opinion on it, but to that it\u0026#39;s not making people happy right Like perfect. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, there\u0026#39;s great words that I heard Peter Diamandis talking about one time a perfect knowledge that you can see that we\u0026#39;re moving to a place where we\u0026#39;re wearing let\u0026#39;s call them sunglasses now you know like goggles, not the big thing that apple just put out, but that\u0026#39;s if we liken that to the first cell phones that were those big brick Cell phones. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIf we, you know, link that down to, if we take the progress of those, you know VR and AR, you know goggles to be more like, you know, super thin Sun glasses that just look like glasses and we couple that with the advancement in VR or in, you know, ai, in our pocket or attached to our Wrist or whatever, however that goes, that we will reach a point where we know we would have access to knowing everything about everything that\u0026#39;s known by visual or auditory cues, right like being able to walk through A city and have, through facial recognition, everything about a particular person, or to walk through a forest and see every, you know, animal butterfly, you know all of those things then there\u0026#39;s not going to be any mystery of things. I think you know, like if you just Fast-forward these things, the speed. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Friction is what you\u0026#39;re getting out of Peter D Amonus saying this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m saying, I\u0026#39;m looking, what Peter D Amonus said he was the one that I first heard say those words perfect knowledge and I\u0026#39;m translating it into when we\u0026#39;re headed now, where we see that it\u0026#39;s not too far of a stretch to see the combination of chat T AI and the, you know, ar Sunglasses augmented or virtual reality Sunglass or glasses to be able to view the world through those lenses and have reflected up on the screen or in front of us All the data about somebody or about anything that it sees. You know, it\u0026#39;s really almost the way. You know, the need for the more friction Involved ways of gathering knowledge would have been like if you had to let\u0026#39;s say you saw this amazing Flower or something out on a walk you\u0026#39;d have to remember, remember it or draw or make notes of it. Then you\u0026#39;d have to go to the encyclopedia you know a botany and you\u0026#39;d have to go through, or even go to the library and look in the dewy decimal card catalog system for Flowers and look for a book that you could scan through to find that maybe somebody has documented what this particular, what this particular flower is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe friction of gathering knowledge was so, you know, so involved in friction, and the more that you Knew, the more that you could store in your, in your brain. That was sort of a measure of Intelligence, right, or a measure of the fact that you knew stuff. That\u0026#39;s an advantage for Things. But now if we get to a point where everybody has perfect knowledge, you don\u0026#39;t. You have to look at it and see okay, that\u0026#39;s the, you know Whatever that, whatever that is, or that person is this, or this product is this or that I\u0026#39;ll get you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ll give you someone who has a yearly experience of I\u0026#39;m very smart. You know him Peter Steven Poulter. The. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIVF doctor and he says you know the thrill of being in this field because the all, basically most medical breakthroughs happen in the Pregnancy and like the first year of life. So most you know if you watch where the money goes and Medical science, it has to do with pregnancy, conception, pregnancy, birth and then probably the first year of life and the other one is the last 12 months of life. Okay, and that\u0026#39;s Experimenting to see if we can keep someone alive. You know, beyond, yeah, normal and he says that. He says from my perspective as a Doctor and a scientist, he said every year it seems to me that we know 10 times more About pregnancy because he\u0026#39;s an IVF doctor and vitro realization, and he\u0026#39;s a great you know, and the Statistics gathered by the US government Indicate that\u0026#39;s true he\u0026#39;s in the top top. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know five and and he says but the problem is that when you know 10 times more, you\u0026#39;re is set with the 10 times greater Universe of what you don\u0026#39;t know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That the 10 times new knowledge has opened. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yes okay. So, and I was just pondering this, as people are saying well, dan, have you tried out? There\u0026#39;s a new provision, yet I haven\u0026#39;t. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I said no, I haven\u0026#39;t. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I haven\u0026#39;t answered two questions. I don\u0026#39;t have the answer to two questions. They said what\u0026#39;s the questions? I said does this Experience a provision? Does it increase or decrease? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I bet it just where would you put your main line, dopamine? Yeah, you don\u0026#39;t even have to move your hands anymore. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, that\u0026#39;s the first question. The second thing, the second question I have if I don\u0026#39;t do it, am I missing anything? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I, you know. What\u0026#39;s very interesting too is that to me, the visual that I\u0026#39;m getting also is that Even chat, gpt and all of those things are decidedly backward-looking, meaning it\u0026#39;s only trained on what\u0026#39;s known knowledge. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I\u0026#39;ll actually. All creativity is backward-looking. Okay, I mean if it\u0026#39;s worth anything, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, the apple is really great at this, because apples never first to do anything, you know as right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e There\u0026#39;s a highly valued. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know on a consistent basis they\u0026#39;re most highly valued corporation in the world. But they\u0026#39;ve never actually Done anything new. Just do what already exists a lot better. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow, yes, so you wonder what is? So the probe and there is anything new. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e What I can see about the provision, because the goggles already exist. It\u0026#39;s you know, it\u0026#39;s an upgrade on you know what, palmer, lucky probably created the bag and then, you know emails already. They say you can do emails with your eyes and you know you can do search with your eyes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You can you know everything else. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But I said, these things already exist. They\u0026#39;re just pulling together and integrating something that wasn\u0026#39;t able to be done. That the same time, you know, and you know it\u0026#39;s really pricey, I mean it\u0026#39;s, you know, I mean it\u0026#39;s reassuringly expensive. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey\u0026#39;ve tried other goggles how much is your program? Reassuringly expensive, that\u0026#39;s that I\u0026#39;ll tell you. The sales team is gonna have that line tomorrow. It\u0026#39;s what? And they say, well, why is it? Reassure me? And I said you know, you know who\u0026#39;s not going to be in the room. What they\u0026#39;re doing is already exists with the US Air Force, and then All the pilots, that everything they, those pilots, do, is done with their eyes. They have this screen. That\u0026#39;s not a screen. I mean, there\u0026#39;s no screen, but they see a screen. They see the and they operate with five other planes. So almost every Mission where they sent one of the new hyperjets, the pilot feels himself as a group of six. He\u0026#39;s a member of a group of six and he can tell exactly what the other five are doing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know he doesn\u0026#39;t have to turn. It said he doesn\u0026#39;t because he can see it on the screen. Plus, he can see 500 miles in all direction. This is all done with the eyes. These pilots have to train themselves to do Everything with their eyes. Well, that already exists. You know they\u0026#39;re bringing that down to a civilian, civilian thing. But you know the whole question I have are the stakes big enough that I would teach myself a new skill? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Mmm, right, or does it fit, can you? Well, that\u0026#39;s it right. This is. I\u0026#39;ve been Test-driving, by the way, dan the, and it gets good reaction. They can I. Is there any way for me to get this without doing anything Is a good place to start. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, check your limit on your card. Yeah, and first of all it\u0026#39;s an anti-social activity because you\u0026#39;re putting goggles on, so nobody\u0026#39;s going to be around you when you have your goggles. But Mike Kenix was there the other day and Mike said you know, he says you have your mind, has no grasp of you until you\u0026#39;ve done it. And I says that\u0026#39;s fair. I said that\u0026#39;s totally fair. I understand that the question Is there enough of a compelling offer that I would even want to have experience? And I think that would be measured measured in the mainland, not in, not in Kauvalandia, I think, whether it was worse. I think whether anything is worth it. It really has a function. Does it register? Is it measurable? Progress in the mainland, right, I think you\u0026#39;re right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWell, I\u0026#39;ll give you an idea, your studio, your great studio which, yes, we\u0026#39;ll have our will have a copy of in September or October of this year. I\u0026#39;ll see that the team is in there now. We have eight studios. I have eight studios and they\u0026#39;re gonna be you know, up-to-date technologically and and but the thing that compelled me to, first of all, for us to Follow your lead and really investigate what your studio is doing, one of our team members whose key to the Execution here came down to Orlando you know, yes you\u0026#39;re. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd went there and they said it\u0026#39;s fantastic and they\u0026#39;re very helpful and they\u0026#39;ll help us any way we want, and. But the thing was suggest how much you get done in the mainland was what prompted us to look into it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean, that\u0026#39;s it\u0026#39;s so. You know, that was kind of that before you brought it up, even thinking, I remember the day sitting in the cafe writing in my journal about okay, I want to start doing more video stuff, and asking myself the equivalent of that. You know thinking, because I\u0026#39;m definitely trained in thinking who, not how. But I caught myself really going down a how path of thinking okay, what do I need? You know, at least two of these. I need two cameras, I need lighting, I need what am I going to have for the background? I was already visualizing how I would rearrange one of the rooms in my office to be the, you know, always ready studio kind of thing. And then it really dawned on me about that that it\u0026#39;s already there. Is there? That\u0026#39;s the equivalent of is there any way I can get this without doing anything? And we literally went, you know, straight there and set up, signed a contract and recorded the very next morning. I mean, it\u0026#39;s just so funny that the pressure not allowed and I realized that was you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI was at the end of the 12 weeks. I signed a 12 week contract that. I had already, you know, I had 12 weeks worth of content in you know, created and already documented, and we hadn\u0026#39;t even reached the point of what one of those cameras would cost. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Like. Each of them got three cameras that are $6,000. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know the microphones are $1,000 each. The that sound for the studio environment. I mean the whole thing, the software, the all of it. It\u0026#39;s a crazy thing when you really start thinking about it\u0026#39;s the only way to do this without doing anything, and that\u0026#39;s part it\u0026#39;s so parallel you know I\u0026#39;ve been talking about. Imagine if you apply your self SELF, sphere is things around you. Is there somebody else as a service or someone that you know that could just do this without you having to do anything? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, the thing is that I\u0026#39;ll you know, I can think of some team members that. I\u0026#39;ll encourage and we\u0026#39;ll you know we\u0026#39;ll finance it. Have some finance. Who would be interested in looking that provision and see what application it would have to the normal course of business, of speeding things up, making things easier, you know, and everything, and so funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI was having a conversation with someone and he said I mean, he was texting you know and about. We were with him for about two hours and he probably texted you know 15 times to our hours and received text and you know and to our he\u0026#39;s excuse me, I just have to take five minutes to do this. And so I said what would you see on the average day that you\u0026#39;re involved in texting busy? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I said, and I suspect, if you do it on five days a week, you actually do it on seven days a week. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t think you take a weekend off from this habit. So so anyway, and he says well, you know, a light day is maybe a hundred texts and you know, a really filled, filled up day is 400 texts. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I said you know that you\u0026#39;re lower number, 100. That\u0026#39;s more than I\u0026#39;ve done in my lifetime. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e More than more texts than you\u0026#39;ve done. Yeah, yeah, 100. I haven\u0026#39;t done 100. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I haven\u0026#39;t done 100 texts in my lifetime. I mean, yeah and it\u0026#39;s, and that would be 95% to Babs, you know and you know, and mostly I use emojis. I\u0026#39;ve become very Egyptian. I can do. I can do hieroglyphics with emojis and I can get a message and I like it. You know thumbs up times three. You know times. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Smiley guy with sunglasses you know, I mean, you can do a lot of creative work with emojis, but except that we\u0026#39;re apart. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e The only reason I\u0026#39;m doing this because we\u0026#39;re apart, you know we\u0026#39;re not in the same location, otherwise we just chat. But the thing is that this person, when I look at what he gets done, I get sometimes more done than he does in a day, certainly in a week or a month, you know, a week, a month or a quarter I get 10 times more done and I don\u0026#39;t do any of it. You know, I don\u0026#39;t do any of that stuff. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I bet. That\u0026#39;s part of the I mean it\u0026#39;s not profitable productivity, it\u0026#39;s the feeling, it\u0026#39;s dopamine busyness yes, I agree 100%. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s exactly where I that\u0026#39;s what I\u0026#39;ve been catching myself, you know is this is really taking a look at that and realizing how much of this is, you know, really counterproductive. You know a lot of ways. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI was saying I had a breakthrough blueprint at celebration last week Monday, Tuesday, wednesday and we were talking about, you know, 19,. I was bringing up the idea that you and I had been talking about the 25 year frames, and you know we\u0026#39;re talking about your 70 to 80 best decade ever, and how. You know, three years I\u0026#39;m going to be 60 and then it\u0026#39;ll be 20. The next 25 year framework I\u0026#39;ll be 85, you know. So, looking back 28 years ago you\u0026#39;re not discussed like that takes you all the way back to, you know, 1996, 1995, whatever that, whatever that is and realizing that everything that we look at right now that is so important to our lives wasn\u0026#39;t even in existence. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThen you know, like we, I still remember in 1997, when internet was just starting to become mainstream and it was definitely a place out there that you went to go to. You know you would go to the internet from your primary world on the mainland and it was a distraction, it was something it was starting to dip into. Maybe you know TV time or something that you would do otherwise. And then I remember, you know, gradually it became more and more, and 2007 I view as the tipping point, when we started with the iPhone bringing the internet with us and the app world becoming vital functions for going through our days. And now we\u0026#39;re at a point where it\u0026#39;s so woven into our existence that it\u0026#39;s like water and we don\u0026#39;t even remember, you know, I mean, all the talk now is what would happen if the grid went down. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIndeed, dan, what would happen if the grid, the internet, went down? Not the power, not electricity, but let\u0026#39;s say that the network goes down. So many things would be, you know, so many things would be messed up. We don\u0026#39;t know how to survive without it. I was joking about that article. I remember, in the New York Times or GQ, I think it was magazine had a journalist that they sent, you know, to try and survive in New York City for a week where their only means of contact with the outside world was the internet see if he could make it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd he searched, you know, in this bulletin board, and he found this restaurant, this Chinese restaurant that had a menu and they would. You could order delivery on the internet, you know, and he slowly survived with those things. But now it\u0026#39;s so exactly the opposite that it would be challenging to survive in New York City a week without the internet you know, it\u0026#39;s just so how things have switched. You\u0026#39;re the closest thing you\u0026#39;re the closest thing I know of to being, you know, amish in the I\u0026#39;ve been involved in it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean yeah, and one is, my life is not that much different. I mean, I certainly made use of the technology. I mean there\u0026#39;s no question and I enjoy the. You know, I enjoy the internet and I mostly enjoy it for YouTube, I would say YouTube yeah, because I can get really in-depth, one-hour explanations of a particular topic you know, and Peter Zion is very good at his eight minute, 10 minute, 15, very, very good at it and. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI really enjoy that. And then I\u0026#39;ll watch all the action scenes out of Denzel Washington\u0026#39;s new Sicily film, you know and. I mean, you don\u0026#39;t have to watch a whole Denzel Washington movie to get the essence, you know it\u0026#39;s about 20 minutes of really hardcore violence, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And he, you know, and he wishes the other person hadn\u0026#39;t gotten him into this situation. He says no, I was just going about my life here. You know, it would have been better if you left me alone but here we are, you know and you got about 10 seconds to decide whether you\u0026#39;re going to live or not, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo I\u0026#39;m just looking at my watch right now and three seconds to say you know, and I enjoy that, it\u0026#39;s like a little you know palate, you know refreshing. And then I\u0026#39;ll go back and I\u0026#39;ll look at some question that occurs to me. I wonder you know what happened in this historical situation? Sure enough, you can find one or two or three you know, yeah movies, or you know videos, or something on the internet. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eyou know and you can do that and it\u0026#39;s very conducive for my ADB brain to have that activity and people say well, how much. You read a lot. No, I told people you know I haven\u0026#39;t watched television at all, and Joe I. It\u0026#39;ll be six years that I haven\u0026#39;t watched nothing. All the football. I haven\u0026#39;t watched any of it, Nothing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI haven\u0026#39;t watched anything, but what I\u0026#39;ve discovered is that no football game has more than 10 minutes of action. And so I just watched the highlights. And then I don\u0026#39;t want to see the highlights for the other teams, I just want to see the highlights for my team. That\u0026#39;s about six minutes. And I said, geez, all those games I spent watching hour after hour on television. I could have gotten 10 or 15 of the men and the time it would take to do it, but you know, you kind of zero in on what\u0026#39;s the dopamine part of the exercise. You know the activity so, but I resist the notion that this is going to change my life. I just resist the idea. Well, this changes everything. And I said, well, you know, speak for yourself you know, change anything for me, right? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And we\u0026#39;re both tourists. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We\u0026#39;re both tourists, yes, and we will sacrifice no pleasure for something new. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, oh man, that\u0026#39;s so funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Any existing pleasure. We will not put that on the table as a bet. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, we like our current pleasures, that\u0026#39;s right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah, so you know, and the thing is, the world is made up of all sorts, and so you\u0026#39;ve got to have the people who are, you know, the people who are just crazy nuts about the future, you know and you know, and there\u0026#39;s people who say well, you know, as far as human nature goes, I haven\u0026#39;t seen anything particularly new in 79 years. Right, interesting, I\u0026#39;m not saying not interesting. I just haven\u0026#39;t seen a lot of new stuff happening with the fundamental change in people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right yeah. So how are you? How are you looking at your next best decade ever? You\u0026#39;re months away, days away. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, the big thing is that we\u0026#39;ve discovered a great capability in the last two years, and that is that our thinking tools, coach tools, seem to translate easily into patents. Okay, so we started in April with a big batch. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe you know we put in dozens of applications and they\u0026#39;re starting to come in and we\u0026#39;ve got 12 now since April, we\u0026#39;ve got 12 patents and these are, you know, these have asset values. They\u0026#39;re like every patent is like you created a house, you know, and it\u0026#39;s got a marketplace value. The moment you get the asset, you know, you get the you know notification from the patent bureau that this is now a patent. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd there seems to be something good about our thinking tools. You know strategy circle, pre-focus and buffer days. There seems to be something about our thinking tools that resonate with what they consider to be a patent. You know, something that can be granted a patent. So this is very exciting, because all we\u0026#39;re doing is taking stuff that\u0026#39;s been created over the last 35 years and giving it an asset value beyond just getting paid for it in workshops, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo it\u0026#39;s it\u0026#39;s growing and we\u0026#39;re not doing that. It\u0026#39;s a whole team of other people. We just write it a check. And you know a year later, we get back an asset that is, at the minimum, 10 times more you know, greater than our investment. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean that\u0026#39;s you know 10 to one in a year is pretty good to return that investment. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So I\u0026#39;m very excited about that because we just have vast Dean. You can\u0026#39;t believe how much stuff we\u0026#39;ve got in the store room. You know just a sheer number of ideas that we have and all of them are popping up in my mind. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe\u0026#39;re going back through documents I created 25 years ago. I said, geez, that was a great idea, but it had no present use so it didn\u0026#39;t have a value. But here you can take everything and increase the value. I would say, the next 10 years, the amount of asset value we will create in intellectual property and on patents will equal the total amount of, will be the total amount of revenues we\u0026#39;ve created since 1989. Wow, yeah. So that\u0026#39;s what I\u0026#39;m excited about. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow, and that\u0026#39;s where the program is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s where the program is going. I mean, Dean, if you went through all your, all your notes, all the notebooks that you created and everything else. I bet there\u0026#39;s a gold mine there that it can\u0026#39;t. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I understand that intellectually, I understand that there\u0026#39;s lots of that. I get that. I just I can\u0026#39;t. When I have a hard time wrapping my mind around is to what end? You know like. I wonder what the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e If you were ever in, you know. First of all, that tells you that its property is the fact that you can barrel against it, not that we need it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And I will tell you, we had this scamper a little bit during COVID and we had this scamper a little bit during the meltdown in 0809 where we lost the bottom of our program. I mean the revenues for the people who were at the lowest level. We just instantly lost it, you know, for a year and a half or two years, and unfortunately we went into our own reserves, our own personal reserves. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Absolutely. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And we could. You know we could finance the company but it was nervous. Used up weeks of her time you know, I don\u0026#39;t want to hear you just call a number and you say I\u0026#39;d like to. You know the way it\u0026#39;s all set up now with the, you know, the appraisal companies and then the loans loan companies. It\u0026#39;s all set up and we\u0026#39;ll get to know all those people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo the assessed value is up to date every day, and so it puts you in a position where your cash confidence. I like the game that the strategic coach represents and I just wanted to go on and on, and I don\u0026#39;t want to be, wasting time with nervous crises, right exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, it\u0026#39;s a good way of putting it nervous crises, that\u0026#39;s a. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, I mean, there\u0026#39;s creative crises, but the nervous ones I could do without, right? Oh, that\u0026#39;s so funny. Is there any way I can solve this problem? By doing nothing? That\u0026#39;s right, I\u0026#39;m not doing anything. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that\u0026#39;s as close as you could get. I guess, when you think about it like that seems to me perfect knowledge. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes exactly All this numbers. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t get the value of knowing everything you know I don\u0026#39;t get the value of instantaneously knowing what would. Yeah, and besides, we already created that technology. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Who was that? Who was the famous? You know the old story of the gentleman that said he doesn\u0026#39;t need to know those things. He has a button on his desk and whenever I need to know anything I\u0026#39;ll push that button and seven men will show up in here and one of them will know the answer to what I\u0026#39;m looking for Henry Ford yeah it was Henry Ford, that\u0026#39;s right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I could summon someone, but we\u0026#39;ve already created the technology for perfect knowledge. And you\u0026#39;re going to say, dan, what is the technology? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e for perfect knowledge. Well, what is it? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Dan, it\u0026#39;s called God. Okay, so they don\u0026#39;t have access to it. But they said, no, we\u0026#39;re going to get off, we\u0026#39;re going to get away. You know, and I\u0026#39;m not joking here, because when you read these books, you realize that it\u0026#39;s a desire not to be dependent upon at all, upon the entity that created you. And I said, well, I\u0026#39;m okay with it, right, right. And they say, well, it\u0026#39;s like you\u0026#39;re dependent upon God. And I said, hey, well, first of all, I\u0026#39;m very comfortable to know that he exists, or she, whatever, in this transgender age Anyway. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut I have a feeling. You know, I\u0026#39;ve had a feeling since I was a kid that I\u0026#39;m connected to something that\u0026#39;s transformative and it\u0026#39;s way above my ability to know things, and you know I\u0026#39;m okay with that, I don\u0026#39;t lose any energy over that, but I think there\u0026#39;s this one of the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIn reading these many books on atheism I automatically translate. When I read a lot that is very deep subject and a person has spent their whole life doing it I always think is there some aspect of this that I can just capture and write a quarterly book on? And it came to me after I\u0026#39;ve been reading El Noce, the Italian philosopher, for about a year and what I came to is a title. I always go for the title. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, of course that\u0026#39;ll see. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and the title is atheism is very hard work. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh boy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s very hard work. Yeah, these guys people were atheists just have to. I mean, it\u0026#39;s 24, seven. I tell you there\u0026#39;s no harder work on the planet than being an atheist, oh my goodness. Because they\u0026#39;re on the lookout for anybody who even suggests that there\u0026#39;s a God, and you know it, they get angry and they you know they have to get into an argument. I said, geez, that\u0026#39;s a lot of work, that\u0026#39;s a lot of work. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, it\u0026#39;s so funny, dan, and observant and true, it\u0026#39;s like those things. It\u0026#39;s funny. It\u0026#39;s like those isms, right, like veganism. Yeah, you know, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean you can\u0026#39;t sleep, compel even jelly. I mean you can\u0026#39;t relax, you can\u0026#39;t sleep. I mean isms. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean you know except quick start ism. Right, yes, you watch Dan Tucker Carlson\u0026#39;s interview with Putin. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think Tucker Carlson did himself a lot of good, uh-huh. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think so Absolutely. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean, he wasn\u0026#39;t any different with Putin. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, I mean, this is the guy who\u0026#39;s gonna get you thrown off the top of the building. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know he didn\u0026#39;t see many more you know, yeah, he\u0026#39;s got more sex than he is with anyone Anyone. You know he just Right, right right. As a matter of fact, there\u0026#39;s a couple of situations where he just kind of broke out laughing. Yes, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I can\u0026#39;t believe. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You just said that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, but it was very interesting to hear Putin\u0026#39;s history lessons. You know, going all the way back. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well you know, you gotta look at it from their point of view. They are the easiest country historically to invade. I mean they have about 13 different gateways where enemies can send their troops. It\u0026#39;s a flat country, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean US has 3000 mile moat on the east and they have a 5000 mile moat on the west and they\u0026#39;ve got pot smoking Canadians on the north, you know, I see their no threat, oh my goodness. And then you have the Gulf of Mexico and the Caribbean on the south and then where they\u0026#39;re connected to Mexico, it\u0026#39;s 200 miles of desert mountains. I mean you can die before you can get across that thing. So the US, but Russia is just the opposite. I mean not only can people invade, they\u0026#39;ve been invaded 50 times since his 800 number, you know, whatever the year is. I mean Right, they have real honesty, got reason for being paranoid. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s so funny. I thought it was funny when he was saying how you know, he asked about joining NATO. I thought to myself because this isn\u0026#39;t the whole purpose of NATO to protect against Soviet expansion. Well, let\u0026#39;s get in on that. Why don\u0026#39;t we join that too? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But you know you got to look at it from his you know, I mean you don\u0026#39;t have to agree with his point of view, but you at least have to know what his point of view is. And if I was his point of view, I mean he was born to nobody and he you know. Through diligence and hard work he got to be a colonel in the KGB. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I have to tell you if you were in the Soviet Union before it collapsed there was no more better job and status in the world than being, you know, a, you know, up and coming officer in the KGB. They got to travel, they had their own stores, they could have somebody arrested and killed. You know, you know pretty easily, and everything else I said you know. You can see it. He took his career, took a real drop when the wall fell. You know so well. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Dan, we said it all. How do we do it? How do we do? I mean, we said it all really, but there\u0026#39;s always knowledge though there\u0026#39;s always more. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s exactly right, yeah, the one thing about what knowledge is being made up on a daily basis, so I don\u0026#39;t know how the word perfect fits in there, right? I mean, we just created over the last hour, we just created some new knowledge. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s exactly right. That\u0026#39;s what. So it\u0026#39;s visually like. It\u0026#39;s really interesting. That\u0026#39;s my vision of that. It\u0026#39;s future blind. You know that GPT it\u0026#39;s all only feeds on what\u0026#39;s already been created. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you know but there\u0026#39;s still got to be some, if technology had feelings, which I don\u0026#39;t think it does. I think AI should be more nervous about humanity than humanity should be nervous. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e What are they going to come up with today? You know? I mean I feel like we\u0026#39;ve got it all organized every night and you know, at the morning and the morning we get back and the rock is down at the bottom of the hill again. We\u0026#39;ve got to push it up. That\u0026#39;s so funny. That\u0026#39;s so funny. Yeah, I think it\u0026#39;s technology that\u0026#39;s trying to keep up with humanity, and not the other way around. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I\u0026#39;m excited, dan. It\u0026#39;s almost a couple of weeks. Yeah, we\u0026#39;ve got a calendar date. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. I tell you we\u0026#39;re going down the Thursday before we\u0026#39;re arriving in the evening of the Thursday before. So, we\u0026#39;ve got Friday, saturday, sunday, monday. I think we got four days and we\u0026#39;re at the four seasons. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, that\u0026#39;s great. When are you leaving? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Wednesday, the day after you know the day after the yeah, yeah, okay, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So we will have some time. We\u0026#39;re on track. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We\u0026#39;re on for next week. We\u0026#39;re on for next week I like that, okay, perfect. Yeah, great Dan, we\u0026#39;ll have a great week then. Great Dan, I will talk to you next week. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Thanks Okay, bye.\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In today’s episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we embark on a reflective journey through the lens of history. We examine the perceived hardships of modern life compared to past decades like the 1950s and 1960s.\r\n\r\nDrawing on personal experiences, I note how some aspects of the human condition remain unchanged despite technological and social evolution. \r\n\r\n\r\nShifting to practical topics, we discuss strategies for leveraging intellectual property, especially during economic downturns. Adapting to changes and maintaining resilience emerge as significant when transforming ideas into tangible assets. \r\n","date_published":"2024-03-06T10:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/7f3bd292-2ed1-4915-bd9b-e10de91d9242.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":38925037,"duration_in_seconds":3120}]},{"id":"6fcf4460-56bb-4133-a913-71d98051c2f2","title":"Ep119: Mastering Time Management","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/119","content_text":"In today’s episode of Welcome To Cloudlandia, Dan and I reflect on the lost art of letter writing and how corresponding through history has helped shape our podcasting discussions across time. \n\nWe speak about the meaningful routines that have guided creative minds, from the structured elegance of Victorian letters to our own cherished Sunday rituals. \n\nWe also explore memory-boosting techniques like visualization and repetition, applying them to maximizing focus and managing time efficiently through life’s challenges. The discussion spotlights approaches for evaluating routines that enhance well-being as work dynamics evolve, touching on parallels with societal shifts like the Great Depression.\n\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\n\n\nDean reflects on the joy of podcast recordings and the historical significance of letter-writing, drawing parallels between Victorian correspondence and modern podcasting.\nDan discusses the role of structured routines in creative individuals' lives throughout history, including segmented sleep schedules influenced by lighting and caffeine.\nWe explore the ABC questions as a tool for personal growth, helping to identify challenges that lead to immediate development when addressed.\nDan compares time management to a strategic investment, emphasizing focused work sessions and revisiting effective past habits for increased productivity.\nWe examine the impact of COVID-19 on workplace habits and the lasting effects, akin to those experienced during the Great Depression.\nDean highlights the SELF acronym for personal efficiency and discusses the changes in commuting and work relationships due to the pandemic.\nDan emphasizes the importance of aligning with one's natural rhythms post-retirement and the significance of consistent sleep schedules for overall well-being.\nWe delve into the life game analogy, illustrating the impact of 'crowding out' bad habits with good ones for a harmonious existence.\nDean discusses the importance of delegation and efficiency in daily routines, sharing his meal planning strategy that ensures balanced nutrition and time-saving.\nDan speaks on being selective about new habits at his age, focusing only on those that will last or reinforce existing beneficial habits.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean: Mr Sullivan. \n\nDan: I'm Mr Jackson. \n\nDean: You know, I look at my calendar and I get this little ding on my phone that tells me we're coming up to podcasts with Dan, and it's always this little spur of joy that comes over me and I wonder where will our adventures take us today? \n\nDan: Yeah, it's a tough bet. \n\nDean: I'm guessing it's going to be somewhere wonderful and I'm betting on that. Yeah, yes. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah. Well, you know it's a nice structure because, other than my podcast with you, sunday's not a very interesting day for me. \n\nDean: Exactly. It's the highlight of the day and we've picked a good time. \n\nDan: We've picked the perfect time. \n\nDean: It kind of invisibly, you know, non-obtrusive in the day, we get the morning kind of ease into it, and then right around now is when we start thinking, okay, what are we going to do today? And here it is, and then we've got the rest of the whole day after this. \n\nDan: You know I read the last year a history of Victorian England. So this is basically 1830s till you know 1890s and 60 years, and there are people, you know very notable leaders and you know notable for other reasons, who would write up to 30 letters a day. Yes, and have them delivered by courier if they were in the city. \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: If in London and there were some individuals that they wrote to virtually every day and then we get a return, yeah, and so the interest, the interesting thing about it is that the stain in touch with certain people and trading ideas goes back a long time. \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: The UK probably had the first best postal service, you know which, and they had great courier services. Since I said, yes. And so our podcast is like sending a letter, you know, and, but you don't have to wait for the response. \n\nDean: I really like that. You know, because all the way back you think about all of that. You know the back as far as we can see, even almost. You know, every book of the New Testament in the Bible is letters. It's, you know, letters to, to. You know Paul's letters to the Ephesians or to the Colossians or to that's. It's an interesting thing. \n\nI read a great book Richard Rossi turned me on to it years ago about the daily routines of notable people, like all the way back in time, and it was very interesting to see. You know, in the 1800s and the 1700s there, whatever is kind of known about the routines of, you know, different composers or writers or artists or whatever. It is pretty, pretty similar among creative people all across the board. They would, you know, they would kind of wake up and ease into the day with some coffee and you know, reading or whatever. Then they would do some, they would do some work and then they would break for lunch and maybe go for a walk and then do their. There was almost exclusively. They all did their correspondence where it was. You know what you were just talking about. They'd get their letters and they'd write their letters and that was the equivalent of. \n\nDan: And read their letters. And read their letters. \n\nDean: Yeah, read their letters and then in the evening they would meet with friends and you know and not, and then read or whatever before going to bed and they were pretty much typically all in bed Pretty early. That was the routine of the thing. Because there were less dopamine, I think was harder, you had to earn dopamine back then Right, yeah, yeah, I mean, I didn't get excited. \n\nDan: What keeps you excited? Did you also you know, when you were reading about the letter writing habit to do also come across the fact, which I found interesting, that and this obviously would be, you know, upper class people, because it required light, but that they wouldn't sleep through the night, like they wouldn't go to bed and sleep. They would have couple of sleeping periods where they'd go to bed and then they'd get up in the middle of the night and required light. So they obviously could afford candles or oil lamps, and they would. \n\nThey would spend a couple hours writing and reading and then they go back to bed for their second, for their second night time, did you? \n\nDean: come across that I did a couple of a couple of times and that was, I think, a pretty common practice back when people would kind of go to bed with the sun right and as the sun went down they would kind of not long after that go to bed. But it wasn't I don't recall it being the most common thing because a lot of these people were I don't know when that practice. Actually I'm familiar with it. I'm not sure when it was popular and when it stopped. \n\nDan: I think you had to have light you know, generally speaking, light was hard to come by. You know, one of the things that I'm always a bit irked about when they show, you know, movies that are historical movies, you know, in other words, they're dealing with a historical period and it's, you know, it's a palace or it's a castle or something, and it's right. There's hundreds of candles, you know, like hundreds of candles or there's fires? \n\nI don't think so. I think it was pretty dark. I think it was pretty dark. I mean, the biggest thing which created nighttime you know, awake nighttime for us was probably kerosene you know, which you could have kerosene lamps and then gas lamps, you know you had gas systems and yeah, where you didn't have to individually fill the. And, as a matter of fact, we were both in London over the during the last 10 years when they were digging up the entire city to replace gas lines have been put in the 1880s and 1890s. \n\nSo it was they had been in the ground for 130 years and my sense is that there is a case to be made that it was lighting and also caffeine that created sort of like a second day for people. I just talked about a second night, second sleeping night, but also the all of a sudden when you had light available or places that had light and you had caffeine, people would work. You know, into the evening people would work. I think caffeine to a certain extent created productivity. You're not well you're a coffee drinker aren't you. \n\nDean: I am. Yeah, I have coffee in the morning. Yeah, I'd say two o'clock is the latest, but primarily it's only in the morning. \n\nDan: Yeah, I don't have anything after noon, after 12 noon. I don't have coffee, but you were talking about the habits of famous people Coffee was a good piece of it. I have a new tool I'm creating, you know, just to get people in touch with kind of things they always do without really reflecting on it. And it's called best lifetime habits. Okay, and generally speaking, a lifetime habit is a habit where you do it pretty well every day. \n\nDean: Yes, and I think that's. I have some of those for sure, like everybody does. Yeah, and you know there's. The thing is like. I think it was you that once said nobody looks for new habits except for the ones they are already accustomed to, right? \n\nDan: Once we already have. \n\nDean: And for me I've, because it's constantly the fun game, you know, of trying to systemize your. \n\nYou know, systemize things, look for the best way to, you know, be get as much happiness and productivity as you can out of your days and kind of go with the flow. \n\nI've really determined that my the flow, for me it really falls into zones and I remember I had a great conversation with Ned hollow well, and you know he was saying and I've shared this with you before that you know he was saying when you think about my days, like a bobsled run and set up the bobsled track that you get in at the top and it slides and winds you through the course and you end up at the end with touching all the touch points that you want kind of thing, and otherwise we end up going through the day like a toddler and a picnic. \n\nAnd that is absolutely true of me and I'm sure of you. So my hybrid of that, my most recent iteration, because I'm constantly evolving it, thinking okay, this is the you know, this is the new routine here. So my, I've been looking into zones and the thing that is absolutely true always and will continue to be true, is the constant of life moving at the speed of reality, 60 minutes per hour, seven days a week, you know, 24 hours a day. That whole thing is very that's a locked in place system that we can't nothing we can do about that. We can only move through that time in in real time. \n\nAnd so there are certain things I look at that my I try and set up my hybrid of the bobsled run is a compromise. That is like setting up a slalom run for skiers. You know when you go you have to go through certain gates. You know you have to go around this gate to get to the thing. So my basic things are setting it up, that I like to. \n\nIf I set a constant of waking up at 7am, which is a natural and normal thing for me to do, I don't think there's any reason for a human to wake up at 5am. But you are different than me and that's a total different world, right? So I wake up at 7am, I can do that effortlessly without an alarm clock and it feels good, right? Then this first zone I look at, my next like gate that I'm trying to get to is 10am is the perfect time for me to do focused you know, focus finders 50 minute focused sessions from 10 o'clock till noon, and that's a big zone for me. That if I can steer everything to that, where I am in my the spot where I'm gonna do whatever, the optimal environment for my focused work is 10 to 12 is the perfect time for that. I've. Recently I went through with Jay Virgin. \n\nI went over for dinner with Tim and Jay and you know we were talking about, you know I had her go through with me and we picked out some power meals for me from Grubhub and Uber Eats to have on rotation right. So we picked 10 meals which are delicious and wonderful and protein first sort of meals with protein and vegetables. And I found the. I've been using the pre-arranged delivery on the app where I can last night set up to deliver one of those meals at 12 o'clock so that I don't have to think about it. And at 12 o'clock I know that my first meal is arriving at noon. Then the next zone then is the afternoon, is the time for anything. \n\nAny appointments that I have or any Zoom workshops or client appointments or talking with anybody happens Tuesday, wednesday, thursday between one o'clock and six o'clock, and so that zone is reserved for any time obligations that I have for involving other people. And then six o'clock is the second time when either one of those meals arrive or I've been subscribing to a meal service called Factor 75 and they deliver these great meals that you get a weekly shipment of it. So I get seven of these meals, six of these meals, sorry delivered once a week and they're all hermetically sealed and chilled and all you have to do is warm them and they're delicious and the right calorie balance and everything like that. So it takes variation out of that process there. And then the other zone then is seven o'clock to 10 o'clock in the evening and then reading, and in shutting it down I'm in bed, basically, or on my way there, by 10 and lights out by 11. And so that routine, that zone is really the most natural thing. \n\nThere's lots of ways for me to optimize within that, and I think that it really comes down to really preparing in advance for those two hour my focus sessions. I can tend to be ready to do the focus work but not know specifically what it is that I'm going to work on, so I've been really focused on using those times. \n\nTo use my golf analogy a goal, optimal environment, limited distractions, fixed time frame. So I lay out my when we were talking about who, not how, in the initial stages, one of the you know, basecamp one is to who up. A thousand hours was the goal and I started really thinking about those thousand hours as capital allocation. But then realizing you can really, I can really only allocate, you know, 10, 20 maximum of those hours in a week. And so it's being more intentional with those allocations and realizing that not all the hours are equal, you know. And so realizing that the if. \n\nI focus on if I can get two or three of those focused hours in a day. That's a win for me. Oh, yeah, you know. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, the I just during the last quarter and it just relates to the last point, and I've got a lot of comments on the previous points, but the last thing you said was this freeing yourself up. And so during the last quarter I am still going and it's called the ABC questions and it's I think you did this. I think you did this yes. \n\nDean: I just got my package just arrived. \n\nDan: Yeah, I called for Thursday yeah, yeah. \n\nDean: And the. \n\nDan: Zoom workshop on. Thursday, and but what was interesting about it is that these are the. What you're applying it to is what I call growth problems. \n\nDean: Okay, and I've never, never. \n\nDan: Used that word before, but it's a problem which, if you sell that, there's growth that immediately follows and then and then a area of your life time money. You know relationship, yeah. \n\nAnd so you just brainstorm and then you pick three of them and write them out, and then the first question is there any way you can solve this problem by doing nothing? Okay, and I've done about six of these and I'm going to turn it into an actual, you know, an actual tool that I use on a frequent basis. Okay, a desktop tool, and the answer is usually no, but then you immediately identify the thing that you do have to do. Okay, so, and six cracks, that would be 18 growth problems. I've never said yes, there is something I can. This is something that I can solve by doing nothing. \n\nOkay, but, it forces you to think about it. Then the second question is what's the least you have to do to solve the problem? And now we're into who, not how, territory. \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: Okay, the moment you say no, there is something I have to do, but usually it's just a communication. And in my world you use a fast filter to communicate. You say this is you know, this is the project, this is the best result, this is the worst result, and these are the five measurements of success. Okay, and then the third question is there a? Who can do my least? \n\nDean: Yeah, exactly, it's like the do you know what it's all in the syntax right Is when you think about is there any way you could do nothing? No, that's impossible. You have to do something. Okay. So what's the least I could do? And then can I get somebody to do that, and the answer then is that you're doing nothing which is fantastic. \n\nIt's like it reminds me of a story, dan, of the gentleman, the guy that went in to see the priest and was asking him if it was okay to smoke while he's praying, and the priest said well, praying is a very reverent thing. You should be respectful, you see, yeah, so you can't. Yeah, so no, no, you can't, you shouldn't smoke while you're praying. \n\nDan: It's the wrong question. Can I pray while I'm smoking? \n\nDean: That's exactly it. \n\nDan: Cause a few months later he comes back and he said father when should I pray? \n\nDean: And he said well, the Bible says you should pray without ceasing. And he said should I pray while I'm gardening? Well, yes, you're in nature. You should pray while you're gardening. \n\nDan: Can I pray while I'm? \n\nDean: walking. Can I pray while I'm smoking? Of course you can. \n\nDan: Of course you can, exactly yeah. \n\nDean: So I think you've stumbled on that same logic. \n\nDan: Well, the thing is, it's gotta be able to humor to it. Yes. \n\nDean: You know people say well. \n\nDan: I said well, think it through. You know, yeah, and I said, the reason is that entrepreneurs of a certain nature anyway, my years in mind have a tendency to immediately throw themselves into a new possibility and it upsets your schedule. You know, it upsets your schedule, it upsets your team work and everything else, yes. So my whole point is you know, I've got a lot on my plate. Is there any way that I can get away with just 10% effort, just 10% effort, where I was thinking of 100% effort for the day? Is there any way that I can get 100% result with a 10% effort. \n\nYou know it's always you know. But going back to the habit thing and my, you know your best lifetime habit, I would ask two questions best lifetime habits that you were doing it once but you haven't been doing it, and the other one is things that you're doing and they can be reinforced Because a lot of people, if they think about their life, they can think about at a certain time. \n\nYou know they did this and it was great for them, but somewhere, for some reason, they got off track with it and just ask them if they you know, would it be worthwhile getting back on track with this particular habit? \n\nDean: You know, while I'm thinking about it, dan, you're that progression of can I do nothing? What's the least I can do? Is there anybody that could do that least? That really harmonizes with my acronym, for you know, imagine if you applied yourself S-E-L-F, and it's the interesting thing is that S is for meaning is there some service or person or you know, something that you could, that could eliminate the need for you to do that? And if that, if you don't have something in your sphere, then the next thing would be E, which is energy, which is your energy. What do you have to do? L is leadership, meaning could you instruct somebody else to do what needs to be done? And F is finances. You could finance it. So, is there a way? No, it's about applying your self, your sphere, your energy. That's the one we want to least do leadership and finances. And so the only thing you're applying your energy to do is to figure out a way that you could turn it into a leadership opportunity to ask somebody else to do it. \n\nDan: Yeah, and it's really interesting. Have you thought about that? Or what a profound change that the restrictions of CODET have have, how they've impacted people's work habits? Have you given any thought to that? \n\nDean: I think about it all the time. I mean your own, obviously your own obviously yeah, but yeah, I have a feeling I told somebody. \n\nDan: I said you know, I talked to a lot of adults when I was a kid who had talked about the great depression and how things that have been available weren't available and how their you know, their daily, weekly behavior changed as a result of the Great Depression. And I have a feeling, covid, which I mean the United States the Great Depression lasted 10 years, 29 to 30. And it didn't end until Pearl Harbor when the Second World War started. For the United States it didn't really end, so it was 10, 11 years. It was the you know, great depression and people's attitude toward money, towards work, you know where they lived and everything else was really altered by the, you know, by that 10, 11 year period here it was about really, you know, it was about two and a half years, let's say, and it's still being affected, you know, and what happened is that people's habits changed in a very significant way you know, \n\nAnd I was saying, you know, it's going to be hard to get a lot of people back to their job, you know. And what happened is that they were so busy they didn't have time to think about why they were busy. And so I said, you know, they were out for three months and they said I never realized how shitty the commute is. I called it the three shitties. The first thing, that's three shitties. Yeah, how shitty it was and how shitty the work was. You know, I would go through a shitty commute back and forth every day. The work was really shitty and the, you know, the people I was working with were really shitty. \n\nDean: And. \n\nDan: I never realized it because I never had time to think. You know, and now I have time to think and I think that it's a fundamental, lasting shift, like it'll last for the rest of people's lives. But, you know, the younger people will, you know, kind of be forced to adjust to what the older people's habit change was. You know, Of course, younger people's habits were enormously changed and the biggest thing, they're finding that truancy rates are at an all time high. \n\nI mean schools are back and you know they're back in person. But COVID taught kids that you know showing up for school is optional. \n\nDean: Yes, yeah, and it's so. I mean, what's happening at Strategic Coach now regards to, you know, remote working, and how have you adapted to that? \n\nDan: Well, we have one rule and the rule is everybody has to be there on Wednesday, and the reason is that Wednesday's, wherever it is, whether it's in London, or whether it's in Los Angeles or Chicago or Toronto, Wednesday's always a workshop day. It's always a workshop and so more people have to be in anyway because of the workshop and we just said Wednesday and people said well you know, you know I'm not, you know I'm not on the front stage on workshop days, so why do I have to come in? \n\nAnd I said and Bab sorry, this is not me, bab, the other team leader says because the rule is on Wednesday, you're here. Yeah but yeah, but the rule is Wednesday, you're here, Okay. \n\nDean: So we have that. \n\nDan: And then the other thing is now we have four workshop days a year, every quarter starting. We're just starting this. It's a full day workshop but it's just for the teams wherever they are and we have to get, and they have to be there in person so they can meet other people. I mean we had 23 new hires from January to January you know, and they haven't met the best. Majority of you know people that they're working with and everything like that. So we're making adjustments. You know we're making adjustments. \n\nWe had our best year ever, so it can't be all bad. You know we had our most sales and I mean you know the boxes that you would check off. That says that this is a great year. We got all the boxes last year, so it's not like we're in trouble or anything because of the new arrangements or anything else, but there is a value in people really firsthand getting to meet the people that they work with. \n\nDean: And in. \n\nDan: June, everybody in the world comes to Toronto. You know everybody in our. You know California, chicago. \n\nDean: London and. \n\nDan: Toronto everybody's here for two days, for two days. But you know, you just make adjustments to things as they go along. \n\nDean: Yes, but that's very yeah, that's good, I think that's. \n\nDan: But you know, it's really interesting that if you take the money that people don't have to spend to commute and then the time saving, it's quite a bonus that they've gotten in a very short period of time. \n\nDean: Yes, yeah, I mean you think about just the hours back of the commute. Even if it's 30 minutes, like even if you're local, it's still 30 minutes. \n\nDan: Yeah, and there's not just the time, there's the getting ready for the 30 minutes. \n\nDean: That's what I mean, yeah. \n\nDan: So 30 minutes is an actual commute time. It's an hour, you know, do it. So it's twice a day and our team works 220 days. So, that would be 440 hours and then discount the one where they have to come in, but it would be 80% of that. \n\nAnd yeah, so you know, 80% of 440 is, you know, 350, somewhere around 350. So that's 350 hours. And then there's the gasoline cost, and I don't think any of our one or two of our team members have an electric car. But you know, Right, yeah, so anyway, but there's, you know, there's everything involved with the car parking. \n\nDean: So, dan, I'm curious now about your day, how your, you know, or we kind of rhythm do you run your personal operating system? \n\nDan: Yeah well, mine is really based on four things. It's doing workshops, it's everything involved in creating a book and podcasts, and then it's the preparation for those things. So three things that are products, and then there's three things I don't. I hardly do any marketing or selling anymore, I just think I have two three hour sessions a year. So from being the main salesperson 30 years ago to being just a little special treat you know, and that's that's an enormous time saving. \n\nI mean, I used to go to trade shows where it was like a four or five day trip, you know and you know and. I never travel for marketing. Right now, I would just. I just wouldn't even entertain it. The answer would be no. Somebody says hey, yeah, we'll make you a P. I said no, not going to do that. And the reason is we got great, you know, our marketing and sales that other people are doing is doing the job. \n\nYeah, so that's it. So so that remains the same before COVID and after COVID. It's just that there's very little travel involved in most of that. \n\nDean: That's great and so, but in your what about your daily rhythm or how you're, the day daily routine of, if we're writing this for the, for that book 100 years from now? Talking about the 2020s. The great Dan Sullivan, how he would spend his day. \n\nDan: Well, I differ slightly, and when I get up, then I understand. Yeah, because if I'm not up by 530, it's unnatural. Yeah, you know, I I like getting up at 530. Tell me automatically I'm an hour and a half ahead of you. \n\nDean: Yeah, but you know I think it's so funny. I had breakfast with Robin Sharma in Toronto when I was up last and you know I was joking with because he of course very famously started the 5am club as the thing and you know it's. I joked with him. I said I feel like people it'd be a you know, better for people to join the nine hour club, to get nine hours of sleep than it would to get up at 5am. \n\nDan: Yeah well, I did a sleep course during the summer, Great. Yeah yeah, Michael Bruce. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: I had to log a diary every day. \n\nDean: I remember and you were he was staggering, usually making you stay up till 1030 or something, 1030 was 1032. \n\nDan: Yeah, I mean, what it was is to make the time you got up constant. And he started us off with me and then Babs. Babs joined me. But he sleep deprived me and then we gradually got off my sleep sedative, got off my Adderall. \n\nDean: So I haven't had. \n\nDan: Adderall. I've only had one Adderall in the last six months and then, and so the reason was drugs like that, including the sedative. You don't have to get sleepy to go to sleep, because you take a sleep sleep. And you don't have to be rested when you get up in the morning because you take an Adderall you know so, but what gets lost in that is your natural sleep pattern. So yeah, now I'm, it's about 17 hours. He says that's the right period that you get at least 17 hours of waking time. \n\nBut, I don't. I need 16, you know I. You know you modify it as you go on, but it's been great, you know. But you know I'm up early. I've always been up early. I grew up on a farm sports, I was in the army. You know I always get up early. I like, I really like getting up early you know, but of course, finally, I'm not a late night guy. \n\nDean: Right yeah, so your, what time are you asleep Then? Normally? What time is your? \n\nDan: wake at eight hours so we're in bed and out in eight hours, and that agrees with both of it, I mean when you're living with someone you got to and you're in the same and you're in the same bed. Well then, you know you're going to synchronize the hours, yeah, yeah. But it was kind of funny because New. Year's is a totally uninteresting day to me. New Year's Eve, right. \n\nAnd people say so, did you stay up? And I said, ah, we were in bed at nine, you know. And I said you know, you know when it was, you know when it was midnight somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. That's when I went to bed. \n\nDean: Yes, right, it's so funny. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I mean, my best creativity is in the morning. \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: And I think yours too. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, that zone, you know I like to, so I try, and I like to have one 50 minute session for me in that seven to 10 zone where I can just be a toddler at the picnic in my journal, thinking thoughts that I didn't know I was going to think. Right, that's, that is great for me and I've taken into, I've adopted your, you know your practice for 25 years of asking what do I want? That's really what that is about. Is my thinking, about my thinking in that time, right, in that 50 minutes and that way. But I also want to then make sure that I'm being the steward of those two hour block, the focus sessions, so that I'm allocating and stacking up here I mentioned, you know I have a thousand hours of that, but I can really only, I only focus and this is always. But my latest iteration is that I'm only stacking up, kind of the next 10 hours. What is the thing? How am I going to allocate the next 10 hours? And of those, what are the two or three today? \n\nDan: that. \n\nDean: I'm going to, that I'm going to do, and that's been. You know so much. I've got such a great, you know, such an abundance of ideas and things that I could do. You know it's the. It takes really curating and discipline in a way to to realize that in order for those things to get done, they have to happen in real time. You know, and that's because the what and how kind of things are shape shifters, you can puzzle on those and figure those. You figure out what you need to do and how, how it needs to be done or even who is going to do it. But the all, the applying yourself, happens in the when and the where. That's the most important thing. That's what I lack in my. That's my executive function disorder right. \n\nDan: You know all you can you know to be useful to other people. The only thing you can do is actually tell you. Tell other people what you do, not, what they should do. I never even tell people what they should do, and my reason for that is we only get to play in the present, you know so the only game day we have is the hours available to us. You know, from rising to, you know going to bed. \n\nYeah, we're all playing on the same synchronauts, yeah, but who you are in the present is really a function of your story about what your past is and what your story is about your future. \n\nWe don't actually live in those realms and that tells me that who people are in the present is absolutely unique, because the story they tell themselves about their past and their future is completely made up by them, and they might communicate 1% of that to somebody else, but the 99% is them having a conversation with themselves both forward and backward and forward. So you know, unless you can understand what people's past and future is, it's hard for you to comprehend how they actually arrange their dates. \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: And yet it makes total sense to them. It makes total sense so, more and more as I go along you know I have to even with people I've known for a long period of time and talk to a lot. You know I always have to remind myself that in understanding this person, I have probably less than 1% of the information that they have. \n\nDean: Yeah, the inner world. What's going on in there? \n\nDan: Yeah, and for most people they're not even conscious that they're making up their past. You know? I mean past is the past. You know that happened. I said well, yeah. I'm not disputing the fact that it happened, but your interpretation of what happened is the important thing here you know, and two people can have what looks like to be an identical experience and come up with very different stories about what the you know what the situation was. \n\nAnd so and the other thing is the future. So you know, and I follow, I've got a file on my Evernote and it's about people who think they can predict the future. You know. \n\nDean: Wow, okay, yes. \n\nDan: And I said, they can predict the future, but they can't even predict their tomorrow. \n\nDean: Right, that's interesting. \n\nDan: It's like climate. You know climate. \n\nDean: Yeah right. \n\nDan: Climate actually doesn't exist, it's a thought. You know and what climate is in a particular location, 365 days of temperature and you know weather conditions. Yes, the average weather conditions for 365 days. That's what climate is. It's a abstraction that gets created by averaging a large number of a large number of days. You know. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: People have talked about the climate and I said well, you know, the real problem with getting people really engaged emotionally with the climate is there's not a single person who's actually experienced climate. We just experience weather. \n\nDean: That's an interesting thing that, really, when you think about what you passed, is it's the tapestry of this woven thread of all of the things that you actually did. Yeah, I mean, it's certainly it's the weather of, it is the when and where of what did you do? Yeah, what were you? \n\nDan: Yeah, and there's a lot of abstractions, like society. \n\nDean: I've never experienced society. \n\nDan: I experienced Dean, I experienced Babs, I experienced Joe Polish. I don't know the things society I've never. You know society should do this. I don't think society got the memo, you know. \n\nDean: Right. \n\nDan: Society is not Consistently yeah, or? We're destroying the world? I said I don't think so. I don't know what's the world, you know? \n\nyou know, you know, and we may be destroying ourselves, you may be destroying yourself, but I don't think we're destroying the world, you know. I mean you know the world's taken. Asteroid hits. The temperature has gone up 100 degrees. It's gone down 100 degrees. You know where I'm talking to you right now. You know, 15,000 years ago it was under 100 feet of water. You know, and you know, I'm right on the shore of Lake Ontario. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: And yeah, the shoreline used to be Castleoma. You know how high Castleoma is you? \n\nDean: have to go up to get the Castleoma. Wow, so my, so my Yorkville was underwater. \n\nDan: Yeah, oh yeah. Yeah, yeah yeah, that's what's going on, actually. Yeah, quite a bit of us going on. So the big thing is that people create these abstractions and then the abstractions become their reality, over which they have no controls. I mean, if they didn't have any control over their personal reality, boy, they sure don't have any control over things that are an abstraction, you know, and isn't it interesting, though, that so much of everything is an extra abstraction. \n\nDean: When you look at these things, you know we look at all the things, the collective abstractions that we all participate in is certainly most geography. I believe that Africa exists, but it's only an abstraction to me, because I've never been to Africa Me either. I've never been to Buenos Aires, but I'm going to take your word for it that it's really there. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: That's interesting. \n\nDan: And it's closer to Africa than it is to Toronto. It's actually closer to Antarctica than it is to Toronto. \n\nDean: You can't go to Antarctica, Dan everybody knows that. \n\nDan: Yeah yeah. Yeah. So the big thing why habits are good on a daily basis is because they're not abstractions. These are neural pathways that you're creating in your brain that encourage you to do this tomorrow rather than a whole bunch of other stuff that you haven't thought about. \n\nBut my sense is, you know, and the thing I'm going to get across here, that success is a function of productive habits, times, longevity, you know it's productive habits, namely that you're doing this on a daily or frequent basis and you're doing that over years, and it's like compound interest, you know, and yeah, but, you have to make the deposits, to make the transfer. \n\nDean: It's so funny. I was playing around with a visual metaphor for how the constant moving of the speed of reality. Have you ever seen the? Have you ever seen the video game, the guitar hero? Have you seen on visual or anything? \n\nDan: No, I haven't. \n\nDean: So guitar hero is a game where you have this guitar but you've got, instead of strings, you've got these color buttons on the neck of the guitar. So it's yellow, green, blue, red, you know whatever those things are. Then your imagine, do you know how the title sequence to star Star Wars is coming, like when the words are coming at you and you're kind of moving. Okay, so you're looking down the neck of a guitar and you're moving towards it, or it's moving towards you, and as the notes get to this line, you press the red button and then, when the green comes to the line, you push green and then you push yellow or whatever it is to make to play the song that's coming, but it's moving and if you miss it you miss the points, right. So I thought about the way that musical Tetris that's exactly it. \n\nOkay, there's perfect example. Tetris is coming at you. So you've got this. You know, as it's moving, we're in control. Our focus can only be on one thing at a time, right? So if you're focused on, you know in our hundred ten minute units that we're getting throughout the day our ten Jackson units. As we were referring to our hundred Jackson units is that we can be in one lane kind of thing for that. So we're moving the joystick or the controller over to be in this activity. \n\nRight, and looking back at the record of what we're leaving behind is the wake of what we actually did in those minutes. Right, so you could be neutral where you're just sitting there doing nothing, but you could be in the sleep lane for eight hours. Of that on the record you could be. You know you wake up at 5.30 and by six o'clock I think you're working out by then. Right, is that your trainer arrives. \n\nSo you look back at the. You look back at the permanent record that you're leaving in your wake is at six, is yellow, with your trainer or whatever, consistently over time that you're getting into those things and the more you know erratic those things are, it leaves less of a pattern over time, right, but that's where you get that. So the consistency, my observation of it is to, if I could try and tighten up those things so that in those bands that from 10 o'clock to 12 o'clock, I've established the consistency over time of dedicating those two hours to the most important things that I can be doing, that's going to have an impact, you know. \n\nDan: Yeah, well, it's all very interesting, you know, because I think a lot of people just don't comprehend who they are today as a function of consistent past habits, yeah, and who they're going to be in the future is a series of consistent habits. And you know, and I was reading, charlie Munger is the width and wisdom of Charlie Munger, warren Buffett's partner, who just died about a month ago, and he said you know, you can have a lot of raisins, but they're in addition, it's half raisins and half turds. We call the dish turds. \n\nDean: So you have a lot. \n\nDan: You have good habits, but you have a lot of bad habits. We call the result bad habits, even though there's good habits along the way. So I think you know it's part of your self knowledge is to increase one and decrease the other. \n\nDean: Yeah, I was just thinking about my, you know. You look now the deposits of over time, the 12 o'clock and six o'clock perfectly balanced meal Delivered without any variation. Or you know, human error in that thing that over time that tapestry is going to be a different pattern, right? \n\nDan: Yeah, and the thing is because a lot of other things are responding to it, you know I mean your brain is noticing a difference, so it's got to make adjustments. You know your brain yeah, make adjustments in your social life. Yeah, make adjustments and everything like that. That's why you don't have to think about 30 things If you got three good things to think about the other 30 will have to adjust to the three. Yeah, and I never try to change bad habits, I just tried to crowd them out with good habits. \n\nRight, I think what I, you know, evolved in thinking today, I want you to pay a lot of attention to them, you know. \n\nDean: Yes, I think a realization I had today, dan, is I was thinking to myself could I establish that meal system without doing anything? Is that literal? Well, I don't have to cook and I don't have to buy groceries to do anything. I only have to decide which I want and place the order. But if I look, that's the least I could do. But now, as I think about it, I could get Lillian, my assistant, to do to. I said these are the 10 meals, let's rotate them around, and I want them to arrive at 12 o'clock and six o'clock and not have anything to do. So there is a way that I could do that without doing anything. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, and they're not wasted because they go in the fridge, you know. \n\nDean: So oh no. I would eat them anyway. I have to eat them. Yeah, I have to eat. Yeah, exactly. \n\nDan: Yeah, well, of course. I mean that's the way ours are done. You know Christopher, who's the caterer for our workshops, he does Babs on my Meal and lunch and dinner, and then our back to our EA, looks at our schedule, whether we're going to be at home or not, and then she, you know we have guests in the raving house, and then she asks us questions about it and we, you know we'll give the answers. \n\nAnd then she's in touch with the caterer and the meals arrived. You know the meals arrived and basically lunch and dinner, like for the weekend. They would come on Friday afternoon and their guests for Saturday and Sunday. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: I love that, yeah, yeah, I mean, and you know. But the big thing is I noticed, going on the 80, I'll be 80, you know four months, hey, yeah, and what I noticed is that I don't really start anything new these days. If it's not something I'm going to stick with for the rest of my life, okay, or it's going to reinforce something else that I'm going to stick, that I'm already doing, that's going to last for the rest of my life. \n\nDean: So yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, so I'm very selective about anything new, you know, and you know, people say hey this is really interesting. So I said, don't think so. I don't think this is going to be a rest of my life experience you know, and so but on the other hand, I'm going a lot deeper into things that you know. I'm really interested in things that really support the new things, that support the thing that I'm already doing. \n\nDean: I'm really yeah, and our podcast is one of those. Yes, one of those. \n\nDan: Yeah, so you can. You know pretty well, figure, as long as you're up to it, I'm up to it. \n\nDean: That's great. I like it, yeah, yeah. Well, it's been an amazing conversation, as always I had no idea what adventure we were going to go on, but this was really enjoyable conversation. \n\nDan: The one thing I should tell you is that when you're in Argentina, it's not uncommon for dinner to start at nine o'clock at night. \n\nDean: Right. \n\nDan: Okay and which which, so you can take dinner time and then, after dinner and going to bed, which kind of dictates that Argentinians get up later. They get up later in the morning and I said this tells you why the US and also they have the two hour break. \n\nDean: Yes, the middle of the day, you know and. \n\nDan: I said. So this kind of tells you why the US is ahead, because Americans get up early and work all day. Yeah, I think on a one developed countries. Americans work a lot more than certainly anybody in Europe. Americans work a lot more than anyone in. Europe, I think probably anyone in South America, probably not. Southeast Asia. I bet Southeast Asians work more than Americans do. Yeah, but anyway. But that's just the habit of the culture. It's a workout. I mean, america is a work culture. \n\nDean: Yes, I love. It, okay, well, I guess I will see you on Thursday. \n\nDan: Oh well, have a good day I got a lot of great stuff for Thursday. \n\nDean:It's all very exciting. I'm going to read the. I got the new book for the or yesterday, so I'm going to read that. \n\nDan: Awesome, all right. \n\nDean: Okay, Dan, I'll talk to you next week or I'll see you Thursday. \n\nDan: Okay, thursday Thanks, thanks, gene. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn today’s episode of Welcome To Cloudlandia, Dan and I reflect on the lost art of letter writing and how corresponding through history has helped shape our podcasting discussions across time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe speak about the meaningful routines that have guided creative minds, from the structured elegance of Victorian letters to our own cherished Sunday rituals. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe also explore memory-boosting techniques like visualization and repetition, applying them to maximizing focus and managing time efficiently through life’s challenges. The discussion spotlights approaches for evaluating routines that enhance well-being as work dynamics evolve, touching on parallels with societal shifts like the Great Depression.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul style=\"list-style-type: circle;\"\u003e\n\u003c/center\u003e\n\n\u003cli\u003eDean reflects on the joy of podcast recordings and the historical significance of letter-writing, drawing parallels between Victorian correspondence and modern podcasting.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDan discusses the role of structured routines in creative individuals' lives throughout history, including segmented sleep schedules influenced by lighting and caffeine.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe explore the ABC questions as a tool for personal growth, helping to identify challenges that lead to immediate development when addressed.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDan compares time management to a strategic investment, emphasizing focused work sessions and revisiting effective past habits for increased productivity.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe examine the impact of COVID-19 on workplace habits and the lasting effects, akin to those experienced during the Great Depression.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDean highlights the SELF acronym for personal efficiency and discusses the changes in commuting and work relationships due to the pandemic.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDan emphasizes the importance of aligning with one's natural rhythms post-retirement and the significance of consistent sleep schedules for overall well-being.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe delve into the life game analogy, illustrating the impact of 'crowding out' bad habits with good ones for a harmonious existence.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDean discusses the importance of delegation and efficiency in daily routines, sharing his meal planning strategy that ensures balanced nutrition and time-saving.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDan speaks on being selective about new habits at his age, focusing only on those that will last or reinforce existing beneficial habits.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Sullivan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m Mr Jackson. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, I look at my calendar and I get this little ding on my phone that tells me we\u0026#39;re coming up to podcasts with Dan, and it\u0026#39;s always this little spur of joy that comes over me and I wonder where will our adventures take us today? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s a tough bet. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m guessing it\u0026#39;s going to be somewhere wonderful and I\u0026#39;m betting on that. Yeah, yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. Well, you know it\u0026#39;s a nice structure because, other than my podcast with you, sunday\u0026#39;s not a very interesting day for me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Exactly. It\u0026#39;s the highlight of the day and we\u0026#39;ve picked a good time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We\u0026#39;ve picked the perfect time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It kind of invisibly, you know, non-obtrusive in the day, we get the morning kind of ease into it, and then right around now is when we start thinking, okay, what are we going to do today? And here it is, and then we\u0026#39;ve got the rest of the whole day after this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know I read the last year a history of Victorian England. So this is basically 1830s till you know 1890s and 60 years, and there are people, you know very notable leaders and you know notable for other reasons, who would write up to 30 letters a day. Yes, and have them delivered by courier if they were in the city. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e If in London and there were some individuals that they wrote to virtually every day and then we get a return, yeah, and so the interest, the interesting thing about it is that the stain in touch with certain people and trading ideas goes back a long time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The UK probably had the first best postal service, you know which, and they had great courier services. Since I said, yes. And so our podcast is like sending a letter, you know, and, but you don\u0026#39;t have to wait for the response. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I really like that. You know, because all the way back you think about all of that. You know the back as far as we can see, even almost. You know, every book of the New Testament in the Bible is letters. It\u0026#39;s, you know, letters to, to. You know Paul\u0026#39;s letters to the Ephesians or to the Colossians or to that\u0026#39;s. It\u0026#39;s an interesting thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI read a great book Richard Rossi turned me on to it years ago about the daily routines of notable people, like all the way back in time, and it was very interesting to see. You know, in the 1800s and the 1700s there, whatever is kind of known about the routines of, you know, different composers or writers or artists or whatever. It is pretty, pretty similar among creative people all across the board. They would, you know, they would kind of wake up and ease into the day with some coffee and you know, reading or whatever. Then they would do some, they would do some work and then they would break for lunch and maybe go for a walk and then do their. There was almost exclusively. They all did their correspondence where it was. You know what you were just talking about. They\u0026#39;d get their letters and they\u0026#39;d write their letters and that was the equivalent of. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And read their letters. And read their letters. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, read their letters and then in the evening they would meet with friends and you know and not, and then read or whatever before going to bed and they were pretty much typically all in bed Pretty early. That was the routine of the thing. Because there were less dopamine, I think was harder, you had to earn dopamine back then Right, yeah, yeah, I mean, I didn\u0026#39;t get excited. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e What keeps you excited? Did you also you know, when you were reading about the letter writing habit to do also come across the fact, which I found interesting, that and this obviously would be, you know, upper class people, because it required light, but that they wouldn\u0026#39;t sleep through the night, like they wouldn\u0026#39;t go to bed and sleep. They would have couple of sleeping periods where they\u0026#39;d go to bed and then they\u0026#39;d get up in the middle of the night and required light. So they obviously could afford candles or oil lamps, and they would. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey would spend a couple hours writing and reading and then they go back to bed for their second, for their second night time, did you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e come across that I did a couple of a couple of times and that was, I think, a pretty common practice back when people would kind of go to bed with the sun right and as the sun went down they would kind of not long after that go to bed. But it wasn\u0026#39;t I don\u0026#39;t recall it being the most common thing because a lot of these people were I don\u0026#39;t know when that practice. Actually I\u0026#39;m familiar with it. I\u0026#39;m not sure when it was popular and when it stopped. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think you had to have light you know, generally speaking, light was hard to come by. You know, one of the things that I\u0026#39;m always a bit irked about when they show, you know, movies that are historical movies, you know, in other words, they\u0026#39;re dealing with a historical period and it\u0026#39;s, you know, it\u0026#39;s a palace or it\u0026#39;s a castle or something, and it\u0026#39;s right. There\u0026#39;s hundreds of candles, you know, like hundreds of candles or there\u0026#39;s fires? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI don\u0026#39;t think so. I think it was pretty dark. I think it was pretty dark. I mean, the biggest thing which created nighttime you know, awake nighttime for us was probably kerosene you know, which you could have kerosene lamps and then gas lamps, you know you had gas systems and yeah, where you didn\u0026#39;t have to individually fill the. And, as a matter of fact, we were both in London over the during the last 10 years when they were digging up the entire city to replace gas lines have been put in the 1880s and 1890s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo it was they had been in the ground for 130 years and my sense is that there is a case to be made that it was lighting and also caffeine that created sort of like a second day for people. I just talked about a second night, second sleeping night, but also the all of a sudden when you had light available or places that had light and you had caffeine, people would work. You know, into the evening people would work. I think caffeine to a certain extent created productivity. You\u0026#39;re not well you\u0026#39;re a coffee drinker aren\u0026#39;t you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I am. Yeah, I have coffee in the morning. Yeah, I\u0026#39;d say two o\u0026#39;clock is the latest, but primarily it\u0026#39;s only in the morning. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I don\u0026#39;t have anything after noon, after 12 noon. I don\u0026#39;t have coffee, but you were talking about the habits of famous people Coffee was a good piece of it. I have a new tool I\u0026#39;m creating, you know, just to get people in touch with kind of things they always do without really reflecting on it. And it\u0026#39;s called best lifetime habits. Okay, and generally speaking, a lifetime habit is a habit where you do it pretty well every day. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, and I think that\u0026#39;s. I have some of those for sure, like everybody does. Yeah, and you know there\u0026#39;s. The thing is like. I think it was you that once said nobody looks for new habits except for the ones they are already accustomed to, right? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Once we already have. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And for me I\u0026#39;ve, because it\u0026#39;s constantly the fun game, you know, of trying to systemize your. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, systemize things, look for the best way to, you know, be get as much happiness and productivity as you can out of your days and kind of go with the flow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI\u0026#39;ve really determined that my the flow, for me it really falls into zones and I remember I had a great conversation with Ned hollow well, and you know he was saying and I\u0026#39;ve shared this with you before that you know he was saying when you think about my days, like a bobsled run and set up the bobsled track that you get in at the top and it slides and winds you through the course and you end up at the end with touching all the touch points that you want kind of thing, and otherwise we end up going through the day like a toddler and a picnic. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd that is absolutely true of me and I\u0026#39;m sure of you. So my hybrid of that, my most recent iteration, because I\u0026#39;m constantly evolving it, thinking okay, this is the you know, this is the new routine here. So my, I\u0026#39;ve been looking into zones and the thing that is absolutely true always and will continue to be true, is the constant of life moving at the speed of reality, 60 minutes per hour, seven days a week, you know, 24 hours a day. That whole thing is very that\u0026#39;s a locked in place system that we can\u0026#39;t nothing we can do about that. We can only move through that time in in real time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd so there are certain things I look at that my I try and set up my hybrid of the bobsled run is a compromise. That is like setting up a slalom run for skiers. You know when you go you have to go through certain gates. You know you have to go around this gate to get to the thing. So my basic things are setting it up, that I like to. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIf I set a constant of waking up at 7am, which is a natural and normal thing for me to do, I don\u0026#39;t think there\u0026#39;s any reason for a human to wake up at 5am. But you are different than me and that\u0026#39;s a total different world, right? So I wake up at 7am, I can do that effortlessly without an alarm clock and it feels good, right? Then this first zone I look at, my next like gate that I\u0026#39;m trying to get to is 10am is the perfect time for me to do focused you know, focus finders 50 minute focused sessions from 10 o\u0026#39;clock till noon, and that\u0026#39;s a big zone for me. That if I can steer everything to that, where I am in my the spot where I\u0026#39;m gonna do whatever, the optimal environment for my focused work is 10 to 12 is the perfect time for that. I\u0026#39;ve. Recently I went through with Jay Virgin. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI went over for dinner with Tim and Jay and you know we were talking about, you know I had her go through with me and we picked out some power meals for me from Grubhub and Uber Eats to have on rotation right. So we picked 10 meals which are delicious and wonderful and protein first sort of meals with protein and vegetables. And I found the. I\u0026#39;ve been using the pre-arranged delivery on the app where I can last night set up to deliver one of those meals at 12 o\u0026#39;clock so that I don\u0026#39;t have to think about it. And at 12 o\u0026#39;clock I know that my first meal is arriving at noon. Then the next zone then is the afternoon, is the time for anything. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAny appointments that I have or any Zoom workshops or client appointments or talking with anybody happens Tuesday, wednesday, thursday between one o\u0026#39;clock and six o\u0026#39;clock, and so that zone is reserved for any time obligations that I have for involving other people. And then six o\u0026#39;clock is the second time when either one of those meals arrive or I\u0026#39;ve been subscribing to a meal service called Factor 75 and they deliver these great meals that you get a weekly shipment of it. So I get seven of these meals, six of these meals, sorry delivered once a week and they\u0026#39;re all hermetically sealed and chilled and all you have to do is warm them and they\u0026#39;re delicious and the right calorie balance and everything like that. So it takes variation out of that process there. And then the other zone then is seven o\u0026#39;clock to 10 o\u0026#39;clock in the evening and then reading, and in shutting it down I\u0026#39;m in bed, basically, or on my way there, by 10 and lights out by 11. And so that routine, that zone is really the most natural thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere\u0026#39;s lots of ways for me to optimize within that, and I think that it really comes down to really preparing in advance for those two hour my focus sessions. I can tend to be ready to do the focus work but not know specifically what it is that I\u0026#39;m going to work on, so I\u0026#39;ve been really focused on using those times. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eTo use my golf analogy a goal, optimal environment, limited distractions, fixed time frame. So I lay out my when we were talking about who, not how, in the initial stages, one of the you know, basecamp one is to who up. A thousand hours was the goal and I started really thinking about those thousand hours as capital allocation. But then realizing you can really, I can really only allocate, you know, 10, 20 maximum of those hours in a week. And so it\u0026#39;s being more intentional with those allocations and realizing that not all the hours are equal, you know. And so realizing that the if. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI focus on if I can get two or three of those focused hours in a day. That\u0026#39;s a win for me. Oh, yeah, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, the I just during the last quarter and it just relates to the last point, and I\u0026#39;ve got a lot of comments on the previous points, but the last thing you said was this freeing yourself up. And so during the last quarter I am still going and it\u0026#39;s called the ABC questions and it\u0026#39;s I think you did this. I think you did this yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I just got my package just arrived. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I called for Thursday yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Zoom workshop on. Thursday, and but what was interesting about it is that these are the. What you\u0026#39;re applying it to is what I call growth problems. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, and I\u0026#39;ve never, never. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Used that word before, but it\u0026#39;s a problem which, if you sell that, there\u0026#39;s growth that immediately follows and then and then a area of your life time money. You know relationship, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd so you just brainstorm and then you pick three of them and write them out, and then the first question is there any way you can solve this problem by doing nothing? Okay, and I\u0026#39;ve done about six of these and I\u0026#39;m going to turn it into an actual, you know, an actual tool that I use on a frequent basis. Okay, a desktop tool, and the answer is usually no, but then you immediately identify the thing that you do have to do. Okay, so, and six cracks, that would be 18 growth problems. I\u0026#39;ve never said yes, there is something I can. This is something that I can solve by doing nothing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOkay, but, it forces you to think about it. Then the second question is what\u0026#39;s the least you have to do to solve the problem? And now we\u0026#39;re into who, not how, territory. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, the moment you say no, there is something I have to do, but usually it\u0026#39;s just a communication. And in my world you use a fast filter to communicate. You say this is you know, this is the project, this is the best result, this is the worst result, and these are the five measurements of success. Okay, and then the third question is there a? Who can do my least? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, exactly, it\u0026#39;s like the do you know what it\u0026#39;s all in the syntax right Is when you think about is there any way you could do nothing? No, that\u0026#39;s impossible. You have to do something. Okay. So what\u0026#39;s the least I could do? And then can I get somebody to do that, and the answer then is that you\u0026#39;re doing nothing which is fantastic. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s like it reminds me of a story, dan, of the gentleman, the guy that went in to see the priest and was asking him if it was okay to smoke while he\u0026#39;s praying, and the priest said well, praying is a very reverent thing. You should be respectful, you see, yeah, so you can\u0026#39;t. Yeah, so no, no, you can\u0026#39;t, you shouldn\u0026#39;t smoke while you\u0026#39;re praying. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s the wrong question. Can I pray while I\u0026#39;m smoking? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s exactly it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Cause a few months later he comes back and he said father when should I pray? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And he said well, the Bible says you should pray without ceasing. And he said should I pray while I\u0026#39;m gardening? Well, yes, you\u0026#39;re in nature. You should pray while you\u0026#39;re gardening. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Can I pray while I\u0026#39;m? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e walking. Can I pray while I\u0026#39;m smoking? Of course you can. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Of course you can, exactly yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So I think you\u0026#39;ve stumbled on that same logic. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, the thing is, it\u0026#39;s gotta be able to humor to it. Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know people say well. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I said well, think it through. You know, yeah, and I said, the reason is that entrepreneurs of a certain nature anyway, my years in mind have a tendency to immediately throw themselves into a new possibility and it upsets your schedule. You know, it upsets your schedule, it upsets your team work and everything else, yes. So my whole point is you know, I\u0026#39;ve got a lot on my plate. Is there any way that I can get away with just 10% effort, just 10% effort, where I was thinking of 100% effort for the day? Is there any way that I can get 100% result with a 10% effort. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know it\u0026#39;s always you know. But going back to the habit thing and my, you know your best lifetime habit, I would ask two questions best lifetime habits that you were doing it once but you haven\u0026#39;t been doing it, and the other one is things that you\u0026#39;re doing and they can be reinforced Because a lot of people, if they think about their life, they can think about at a certain time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know they did this and it was great for them, but somewhere, for some reason, they got off track with it and just ask them if they you know, would it be worthwhile getting back on track with this particular habit? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, while I\u0026#39;m thinking about it, dan, you\u0026#39;re that progression of can I do nothing? What\u0026#39;s the least I can do? Is there anybody that could do that least? That really harmonizes with my acronym, for you know, imagine if you applied yourself S-E-L-F, and it\u0026#39;s the interesting thing is that S is for meaning is there some service or person or you know, something that you could, that could eliminate the need for you to do that? And if that, if you don\u0026#39;t have something in your sphere, then the next thing would be E, which is energy, which is your energy. What do you have to do? L is leadership, meaning could you instruct somebody else to do what needs to be done? And F is finances. You could finance it. So, is there a way? No, it\u0026#39;s about applying your self, your sphere, your energy. That\u0026#39;s the one we want to least do leadership and finances. And so the only thing you\u0026#39;re applying your energy to do is to figure out a way that you could turn it into a leadership opportunity to ask somebody else to do it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and it\u0026#39;s really interesting. Have you thought about that? Or what a profound change that the restrictions of CODET have have, how they\u0026#39;ve impacted people\u0026#39;s work habits? Have you given any thought to that? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think about it all the time. I mean your own, obviously your own obviously yeah, but yeah, I have a feeling I told somebody. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I said you know, I talked to a lot of adults when I was a kid who had talked about the great depression and how things that have been available weren\u0026#39;t available and how their you know, their daily, weekly behavior changed as a result of the Great Depression. And I have a feeling, covid, which I mean the United States the Great Depression lasted 10 years, 29 to 30. And it didn\u0026#39;t end until Pearl Harbor when the Second World War started. For the United States it didn\u0026#39;t really end, so it was 10, 11 years. It was the you know, great depression and people\u0026#39;s attitude toward money, towards work, you know where they lived and everything else was really altered by the, you know, by that 10, 11 year period here it was about really, you know, it was about two and a half years, let\u0026#39;s say, and it\u0026#39;s still being affected, you know, and what happened is that people\u0026#39;s habits changed in a very significant way you know, \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I was saying, you know, it\u0026#39;s going to be hard to get a lot of people back to their job, you know. And what happened is that they were so busy they didn\u0026#39;t have time to think about why they were busy. And so I said, you know, they were out for three months and they said I never realized how shitty the commute is. I called it the three shitties. The first thing, that\u0026#39;s three shitties. Yeah, how shitty it was and how shitty the work was. You know, I would go through a shitty commute back and forth every day. The work was really shitty and the, you know, the people I was working with were really shitty. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I never realized it because I never had time to think. You know, and now I have time to think and I think that it\u0026#39;s a fundamental, lasting shift, like it\u0026#39;ll last for the rest of people\u0026#39;s lives. But, you know, the younger people will, you know, kind of be forced to adjust to what the older people\u0026#39;s habit change was. You know, Of course, younger people\u0026#39;s habits were enormously changed and the biggest thing, they\u0026#39;re finding that truancy rates are at an all time high. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean schools are back and you know they\u0026#39;re back in person. But COVID taught kids that you know showing up for school is optional. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yeah, and it\u0026#39;s so. I mean, what\u0026#39;s happening at Strategic Coach now regards to, you know, remote working, and how have you adapted to that? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, we have one rule and the rule is everybody has to be there on Wednesday, and the reason is that Wednesday\u0026#39;s, wherever it is, whether it\u0026#39;s in London, or whether it\u0026#39;s in Los Angeles or Chicago or Toronto, Wednesday\u0026#39;s always a workshop day. It\u0026#39;s always a workshop and so more people have to be in anyway because of the workshop and we just said Wednesday and people said well you know, you know I\u0026#39;m not, you know I\u0026#39;m not on the front stage on workshop days, so why do I have to come in? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I said and Bab sorry, this is not me, bab, the other team leader says because the rule is on Wednesday, you\u0026#39;re here. Yeah but yeah, but the rule is Wednesday, you\u0026#39;re here, Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So we have that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And then the other thing is now we have four workshop days a year, every quarter starting. We\u0026#39;re just starting this. It\u0026#39;s a full day workshop but it\u0026#39;s just for the teams wherever they are and we have to get, and they have to be there in person so they can meet other people. I mean we had 23 new hires from January to January you know, and they haven\u0026#39;t met the best. Majority of you know people that they\u0026#39;re working with and everything like that. So we\u0026#39;re making adjustments. You know we\u0026#39;re making adjustments. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe had our best year ever, so it can\u0026#39;t be all bad. You know we had our most sales and I mean you know the boxes that you would check off. That says that this is a great year. We got all the boxes last year, so it\u0026#39;s not like we\u0026#39;re in trouble or anything because of the new arrangements or anything else, but there is a value in people really firsthand getting to meet the people that they work with. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e June, everybody in the world comes to Toronto. You know everybody in our. You know California, chicago. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e London and. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Toronto everybody\u0026#39;s here for two days, for two days. But you know, you just make adjustments to things as they go along. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, but that\u0026#39;s very yeah, that\u0026#39;s good, I think that\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But you know, it\u0026#39;s really interesting that if you take the money that people don\u0026#39;t have to spend to commute and then the time saving, it\u0026#39;s quite a bonus that they\u0026#39;ve gotten in a very short period of time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yeah, I mean you think about just the hours back of the commute. Even if it\u0026#39;s 30 minutes, like even if you\u0026#39;re local, it\u0026#39;s still 30 minutes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and there\u0026#39;s not just the time, there\u0026#39;s the getting ready for the 30 minutes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s what I mean, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So 30 minutes is an actual commute time. It\u0026#39;s an hour, you know, do it. So it\u0026#39;s twice a day and our team works 220 days. So, that would be 440 hours and then discount the one where they have to come in, but it would be 80% of that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd yeah, so you know, 80% of 440 is, you know, 350, somewhere around 350. So that\u0026#39;s 350 hours. And then there\u0026#39;s the gasoline cost, and I don\u0026#39;t think any of our one or two of our team members have an electric car. But you know, Right, yeah, so anyway, but there\u0026#39;s, you know, there\u0026#39;s everything involved with the car parking. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So, dan, I\u0026#39;m curious now about your day, how your, you know, or we kind of rhythm do you run your personal operating system? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah well, mine is really based on four things. It\u0026#39;s doing workshops, it\u0026#39;s everything involved in creating a book and podcasts, and then it\u0026#39;s the preparation for those things. So three things that are products, and then there\u0026#39;s three things I don\u0026#39;t. I hardly do any marketing or selling anymore, I just think I have two three hour sessions a year. So from being the main salesperson 30 years ago to being just a little special treat you know, and that\u0026#39;s that\u0026#39;s an enormous time saving. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean, I used to go to trade shows where it was like a four or five day trip, you know and you know and. I never travel for marketing. Right now, I would just. I just wouldn\u0026#39;t even entertain it. The answer would be no. Somebody says hey, yeah, we\u0026#39;ll make you a P. I said no, not going to do that. And the reason is we got great, you know, our marketing and sales that other people are doing is doing the job. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, so that\u0026#39;s it. So so that remains the same before COVID and after COVID. It\u0026#39;s just that there\u0026#39;s very little travel involved in most of that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s great and so, but in your what about your daily rhythm or how you\u0026#39;re, the day daily routine of, if we\u0026#39;re writing this for the, for that book 100 years from now? Talking about the 2020s. The great Dan Sullivan, how he would spend his day. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I differ slightly, and when I get up, then I understand. Yeah, because if I\u0026#39;m not up by 530, it\u0026#39;s unnatural. Yeah, you know, I I like getting up at 530. Tell me automatically I\u0026#39;m an hour and a half ahead of you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but you know I think it\u0026#39;s so funny. I had breakfast with Robin Sharma in Toronto when I was up last and you know I was joking with because he of course very famously started the 5am club as the thing and you know it\u0026#39;s. I joked with him. I said I feel like people it\u0026#39;d be a you know, better for people to join the nine hour club, to get nine hours of sleep than it would to get up at 5am. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah well, I did a sleep course during the summer, Great. Yeah yeah, Michael Bruce. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I had to log a diary every day. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I remember and you were he was staggering, usually making you stay up till 1030 or something, 1030 was 1032. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean, what it was is to make the time you got up constant. And he started us off with me and then Babs. Babs joined me. But he sleep deprived me and then we gradually got off my sleep sedative, got off my Adderall. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So I haven\u0026#39;t had. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Adderall. I\u0026#39;ve only had one Adderall in the last six months and then, and so the reason was drugs like that, including the sedative. You don\u0026#39;t have to get sleepy to go to sleep, because you take a sleep sleep. And you don\u0026#39;t have to be rested when you get up in the morning because you take an Adderall you know so, but what gets lost in that is your natural sleep pattern. So yeah, now I\u0026#39;m, it\u0026#39;s about 17 hours. He says that\u0026#39;s the right period that you get at least 17 hours of waking time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut, I don\u0026#39;t. I need 16, you know I. You know you modify it as you go on, but it\u0026#39;s been great, you know. But you know I\u0026#39;m up early. I\u0026#39;ve always been up early. I grew up on a farm sports, I was in the army. You know I always get up early. I like, I really like getting up early you know, but of course, finally, I\u0026#39;m not a late night guy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right yeah, so your, what time are you asleep Then? Normally? What time is your? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e wake at eight hours so we\u0026#39;re in bed and out in eight hours, and that agrees with both of it, I mean when you\u0026#39;re living with someone you got to and you\u0026#39;re in the same and you\u0026#39;re in the same bed. Well then, you know you\u0026#39;re going to synchronize the hours, yeah, yeah. But it was kind of funny because New. Year\u0026#39;s is a totally uninteresting day to me. New Year\u0026#39;s Eve, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd people say so, did you stay up? And I said, ah, we were in bed at nine, you know. And I said you know, you know when it was, you know when it was midnight somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. That\u0026#39;s when I went to bed. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, right, it\u0026#39;s so funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I mean, my best creativity is in the morning. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I think yours too. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, that zone, you know I like to, so I try, and I like to have one 50 minute session for me in that seven to 10 zone where I can just be a toddler at the picnic in my journal, thinking thoughts that I didn\u0026#39;t know I was going to think. Right, that\u0026#39;s, that is great for me and I\u0026#39;ve taken into, I\u0026#39;ve adopted your, you know your practice for 25 years of asking what do I want? That\u0026#39;s really what that is about. Is my thinking, about my thinking in that time, right, in that 50 minutes and that way. But I also want to then make sure that I\u0026#39;m being the steward of those two hour block, the focus sessions, so that I\u0026#39;m allocating and stacking up here I mentioned, you know I have a thousand hours of that, but I can really only, I only focus and this is always. But my latest iteration is that I\u0026#39;m only stacking up, kind of the next 10 hours. What is the thing? How am I going to allocate the next 10 hours? And of those, what are the two or three today? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m going to, that I\u0026#39;m going to do, and that\u0026#39;s been. You know so much. I\u0026#39;ve got such a great, you know, such an abundance of ideas and things that I could do. You know it\u0026#39;s the. It takes really curating and discipline in a way to to realize that in order for those things to get done, they have to happen in real time. You know, and that\u0026#39;s because the what and how kind of things are shape shifters, you can puzzle on those and figure those. You figure out what you need to do and how, how it needs to be done or even who is going to do it. But the all, the applying yourself, happens in the when and the where. That\u0026#39;s the most important thing. That\u0026#39;s what I lack in my. That\u0026#39;s my executive function disorder right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know all you can you know to be useful to other people. The only thing you can do is actually tell you. Tell other people what you do, not, what they should do. I never even tell people what they should do, and my reason for that is we only get to play in the present, you know so the only game day we have is the hours available to us. You know, from rising to, you know going to bed. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, we\u0026#39;re all playing on the same synchronauts, yeah, but who you are in the present is really a function of your story about what your past is and what your story is about your future. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe don\u0026#39;t actually live in those realms and that tells me that who people are in the present is absolutely unique, because the story they tell themselves about their past and their future is completely made up by them, and they might communicate 1% of that to somebody else, but the 99% is them having a conversation with themselves both forward and backward and forward. So you know, unless you can understand what people\u0026#39;s past and future is, it\u0026#39;s hard for you to comprehend how they actually arrange their dates. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And yet it makes total sense to them. It makes total sense so, more and more as I go along you know I have to even with people I\u0026#39;ve known for a long period of time and talk to a lot. You know I always have to remind myself that in understanding this person, I have probably less than 1% of the information that they have. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, the inner world. What\u0026#39;s going on in there? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and for most people they\u0026#39;re not even conscious that they\u0026#39;re making up their past. You know? I mean past is the past. You know that happened. I said well, yeah. I\u0026#39;m not disputing the fact that it happened, but your interpretation of what happened is the important thing here you know, and two people can have what looks like to be an identical experience and come up with very different stories about what the you know what the situation was. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd so and the other thing is the future. So you know, and I follow, I\u0026#39;ve got a file on my Evernote and it\u0026#39;s about people who think they can predict the future. You know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow, okay, yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I said, they can predict the future, but they can\u0026#39;t even predict their tomorrow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, that\u0026#39;s interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s like climate. You know climate. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Climate actually doesn\u0026#39;t exist, it\u0026#39;s a thought. You know and what climate is in a particular location, 365 days of temperature and you know weather conditions. Yes, the average weather conditions for 365 days. That\u0026#39;s what climate is. It\u0026#39;s a abstraction that gets created by averaging a large number of a large number of days. You know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e People have talked about the climate and I said well, you know, the real problem with getting people really engaged emotionally with the climate is there\u0026#39;s not a single person who\u0026#39;s actually experienced climate. We just experience weather. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s an interesting thing that, really, when you think about what you passed, is it\u0026#39;s the tapestry of this woven thread of all of the things that you actually did. Yeah, I mean, it\u0026#39;s certainly it\u0026#39;s the weather of, it is the when and where of what did you do? Yeah, what were you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and there\u0026#39;s a lot of abstractions, like society. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve never experienced society. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I experienced Dean, I experienced Babs, I experienced Joe Polish. I don\u0026#39;t know the things society I\u0026#39;ve never. You know society should do this. I don\u0026#39;t think society got the memo, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Society is not Consistently yeah, or? We\u0026#39;re destroying the world? I said I don\u0026#39;t think so. I don\u0026#39;t know what\u0026#39;s the world, you know? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eyou know, you know, and we may be destroying ourselves, you may be destroying yourself, but I don\u0026#39;t think we\u0026#39;re destroying the world, you know. I mean you know the world\u0026#39;s taken. Asteroid hits. The temperature has gone up 100 degrees. It\u0026#39;s gone down 100 degrees. You know where I\u0026#39;m talking to you right now. You know, 15,000 years ago it was under 100 feet of water. You know, and you know, I\u0026#39;m right on the shore of Lake Ontario. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And yeah, the shoreline used to be Castleoma. You know how high Castleoma is you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e have to go up to get the Castleoma. Wow, so my, so my Yorkville was underwater. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, oh yeah. Yeah, yeah yeah, that\u0026#39;s what\u0026#39;s going on, actually. Yeah, quite a bit of us going on. So the big thing is that people create these abstractions and then the abstractions become their reality, over which they have no controls. I mean, if they didn\u0026#39;t have any control over their personal reality, boy, they sure don\u0026#39;t have any control over things that are an abstraction, you know, and isn\u0026#39;t it interesting, though, that so much of everything is an extra abstraction. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e When you look at these things, you know we look at all the things, the collective abstractions that we all participate in is certainly most geography. I believe that Africa exists, but it\u0026#39;s only an abstraction to me, because I\u0026#39;ve never been to Africa Me either. I\u0026#39;ve never been to Buenos Aires, but I\u0026#39;m going to take your word for it that it\u0026#39;s really there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And it\u0026#39;s closer to Africa than it is to Toronto. It\u0026#39;s actually closer to Antarctica than it is to Toronto. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You can\u0026#39;t go to Antarctica, Dan everybody knows that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah yeah. Yeah. So the big thing why habits are good on a daily basis is because they\u0026#39;re not abstractions. These are neural pathways that you\u0026#39;re creating in your brain that encourage you to do this tomorrow rather than a whole bunch of other stuff that you haven\u0026#39;t thought about. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut my sense is, you know, and the thing I\u0026#39;m going to get across here, that success is a function of productive habits, times, longevity, you know it\u0026#39;s productive habits, namely that you\u0026#39;re doing this on a daily or frequent basis and you\u0026#39;re doing that over years, and it\u0026#39;s like compound interest, you know, and yeah, but, you have to make the deposits, to make the transfer. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s so funny. I was playing around with a visual metaphor for how the constant moving of the speed of reality. Have you ever seen the? Have you ever seen the video game, the guitar hero? Have you seen on visual or anything? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I haven\u0026#39;t. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So guitar hero is a game where you have this guitar but you\u0026#39;ve got, instead of strings, you\u0026#39;ve got these color buttons on the neck of the guitar. So it\u0026#39;s yellow, green, blue, red, you know whatever those things are. Then your imagine, do you know how the title sequence to star Star Wars is coming, like when the words are coming at you and you\u0026#39;re kind of moving. Okay, so you\u0026#39;re looking down the neck of a guitar and you\u0026#39;re moving towards it, or it\u0026#39;s moving towards you, and as the notes get to this line, you press the red button and then, when the green comes to the line, you push green and then you push yellow or whatever it is to make to play the song that\u0026#39;s coming, but it\u0026#39;s moving and if you miss it you miss the points, right. So I thought about the way that musical Tetris that\u0026#39;s exactly it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOkay, there\u0026#39;s perfect example. Tetris is coming at you. So you\u0026#39;ve got this. You know, as it\u0026#39;s moving, we\u0026#39;re in control. Our focus can only be on one thing at a time, right? So if you\u0026#39;re focused on, you know in our hundred ten minute units that we\u0026#39;re getting throughout the day our ten Jackson units. As we were referring to our hundred Jackson units is that we can be in one lane kind of thing for that. So we\u0026#39;re moving the joystick or the controller over to be in this activity. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eRight, and looking back at the record of what we\u0026#39;re leaving behind is the wake of what we actually did in those minutes. Right, so you could be neutral where you\u0026#39;re just sitting there doing nothing, but you could be in the sleep lane for eight hours. Of that on the record you could be. You know you wake up at 5.30 and by six o\u0026#39;clock I think you\u0026#39;re working out by then. Right, is that your trainer arrives. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo you look back at the. You look back at the permanent record that you\u0026#39;re leaving in your wake is at six, is yellow, with your trainer or whatever, consistently over time that you\u0026#39;re getting into those things and the more you know erratic those things are, it leaves less of a pattern over time, right, but that\u0026#39;s where you get that. So the consistency, my observation of it is to, if I could try and tighten up those things so that in those bands that from 10 o\u0026#39;clock to 12 o\u0026#39;clock, I\u0026#39;ve established the consistency over time of dedicating those two hours to the most important things that I can be doing, that\u0026#39;s going to have an impact, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, it\u0026#39;s all very interesting, you know, because I think a lot of people just don\u0026#39;t comprehend who they are today as a function of consistent past habits, yeah, and who they\u0026#39;re going to be in the future is a series of consistent habits. And you know, and I was reading, charlie Munger is the width and wisdom of Charlie Munger, warren Buffett\u0026#39;s partner, who just died about a month ago, and he said you know, you can have a lot of raisins, but they\u0026#39;re in addition, it\u0026#39;s half raisins and half turds. We call the dish turds. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So you have a lot. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You have good habits, but you have a lot of bad habits. We call the result bad habits, even though there\u0026#39;s good habits along the way. So I think you know it\u0026#39;s part of your self knowledge is to increase one and decrease the other. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I was just thinking about my, you know. You look now the deposits of over time, the 12 o\u0026#39;clock and six o\u0026#39;clock perfectly balanced meal Delivered without any variation. Or you know, human error in that thing that over time that tapestry is going to be a different pattern, right? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and the thing is because a lot of other things are responding to it, you know I mean your brain is noticing a difference, so it\u0026#39;s got to make adjustments. You know your brain yeah, make adjustments in your social life. Yeah, make adjustments and everything like that. That\u0026#39;s why you don\u0026#39;t have to think about 30 things If you got three good things to think about the other 30 will have to adjust to the three. Yeah, and I never try to change bad habits, I just tried to crowd them out with good habits. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eRight, I think what I, you know, evolved in thinking today, I want you to pay a lot of attention to them, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I think a realization I had today, dan, is I was thinking to myself could I establish that meal system without doing anything? Is that literal? Well, I don\u0026#39;t have to cook and I don\u0026#39;t have to buy groceries to do anything. I only have to decide which I want and place the order. But if I look, that\u0026#39;s the least I could do. But now, as I think about it, I could get Lillian, my assistant, to do to. I said these are the 10 meals, let\u0026#39;s rotate them around, and I want them to arrive at 12 o\u0026#39;clock and six o\u0026#39;clock and not have anything to do. So there is a way that I could do that without doing anything. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, and they\u0026#39;re not wasted because they go in the fridge, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So oh no. I would eat them anyway. I have to eat them. Yeah, I have to eat. Yeah, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, of course. I mean that\u0026#39;s the way ours are done. You know Christopher, who\u0026#39;s the caterer for our workshops, he does Babs on my Meal and lunch and dinner, and then our back to our EA, looks at our schedule, whether we\u0026#39;re going to be at home or not, and then she, you know we have guests in the raving house, and then she asks us questions about it and we, you know we\u0026#39;ll give the answers. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then she\u0026#39;s in touch with the caterer and the meals arrived. You know the meals arrived and basically lunch and dinner, like for the weekend. They would come on Friday afternoon and their guests for Saturday and Sunday. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I love that, yeah, yeah, I mean, and you know. But the big thing is I noticed, going on the 80, I\u0026#39;ll be 80, you know four months, hey, yeah, and what I noticed is that I don\u0026#39;t really start anything new these days. If it\u0026#39;s not something I\u0026#39;m going to stick with for the rest of my life, okay, or it\u0026#39;s going to reinforce something else that I\u0026#39;m going to stick, that I\u0026#39;m already doing, that\u0026#39;s going to last for the rest of my life. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so I\u0026#39;m very selective about anything new, you know, and you know, people say hey this is really interesting. So I said, don\u0026#39;t think so. I don\u0026#39;t think this is going to be a rest of my life experience you know, and so but on the other hand, I\u0026#39;m going a lot deeper into things that you know. I\u0026#39;m really interested in things that really support the new things, that support the thing that I\u0026#39;m already doing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m really yeah, and our podcast is one of those. Yes, one of those. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so you can. You know pretty well, figure, as long as you\u0026#39;re up to it, I\u0026#39;m up to it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s great. I like it, yeah, yeah. Well, it\u0026#39;s been an amazing conversation, as always I had no idea what adventure we were going to go on, but this was really enjoyable conversation. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The one thing I should tell you is that when you\u0026#39;re in Argentina, it\u0026#39;s not uncommon for dinner to start at nine o\u0026#39;clock at night. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay and which which, so you can take dinner time and then, after dinner and going to bed, which kind of dictates that Argentinians get up later. They get up later in the morning and I said this tells you why the US and also they have the two hour break. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, the middle of the day, you know and. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I said. So this kind of tells you why the US is ahead, because Americans get up early and work all day. Yeah, I think on a one developed countries. Americans work a lot more than certainly anybody in Europe. Americans work a lot more than anyone in. Europe, I think probably anyone in South America, probably not. Southeast Asia. I bet Southeast Asians work more than Americans do. Yeah, but anyway. But that\u0026#39;s just the habit of the culture. It\u0026#39;s a workout. I mean, america is a work culture. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I love. It, okay, well, I guess I will see you on Thursday. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh well, have a good day I got a lot of great stuff for Thursday. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003eIt\u0026#39;s all very exciting. I\u0026#39;m going to read the. I got the new book for the or yesterday, so I\u0026#39;m going to read that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Awesome, all right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, Dan, I\u0026#39;ll talk to you next week or I\u0026#39;ll see you Thursday. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, thursday Thanks, thanks, gene. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In today’s episode of Welcome To Cloudlandia, Dan and I reflect on the lost art of letter writing and how corresponding through history has helped shape our podcasting discussions across time. \r\n\r\nWe speak about the meaningful routines that have guided creative minds, from the structured elegance of Victorian letters to our own cherished Sunday rituals. \r\n\r\nWe also explore memory-boosting techniques like visualization and repetition, applying them to maximizing focus and managing time efficiently through life’s challenges. The discussion spotlights approaches for evaluating routines that enhance well-being as work dynamics evolve, touching on parallels with societal shifts like the Great Depression.\r\n","date_published":"2024-02-07T10:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/6fcf4460-56bb-4133-a913-71d98051c2f2.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":40219689,"duration_in_seconds":3348}]},{"id":"bfa51ef9-02af-49a2-9f28-cfeddb819f06","title":"Ep118: Weathering Politics and the Evolution of American Homes","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/118","content_text":"In today's episode of \"Welcome to Cloudlandia\", Dan and I discuss the unexpected cold weather that recently swept through Florida and Ontario. We talk about how the weather can affect our moods and the emotional connection between climate and architecture. We share personal stories about winters and pay tribute to oak trees that stand steadfast throughout the seasons.\n\nWe also consider community planning and how neighborhoods can either embrace nature or ignore natural elements. Additionally, we explore innovative housing, such as modular and 3D-printed designs, while considering ideas on population growth. The future of shelter looks promising.\n\nFinally, we wrap up by examining the impact of advertising on media polarization and the changing news landscape.\n\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\n\n    Dan and I discuss the unexpected cold in Florida and Ontario, touching on Seasonal Affective Disorder and the psychological impact of weather on mood.\n    We pay tribute to the significance of oak trees and their presence through the seasons, exploring how community planning can integrate with nature.\n    Dan reminisces about the grandiose architecture of the Gilded Age and contrasts it with the simplicity and utilitarian focus of modern home designs.\n    We explore the historical context of Craftsman-style homes and the influence of income tax and antitrust laws on architectural styles.\n    We delve into the topic of U.S. population growth predictions and Peter Zeihan's perspective on the country's capacity to double its population without feeling more congested.\n    The conversation shifts to the current political landscape, analyzing the dichotomy between Biden and Trump, and the challenges faced by third-party candidacies.\n    We examine the accuracy and influence of betting markets on political forecasting and their reflection of public sentiment.\n    Dan describes the impact of the pandemic on education and considers potential long-term effects on future generations.\n    We discuss the shift from advertising to subscription models in media, considering the New York Times as a case study and touching on media polarization and the influence of digital giants.\n    The episode concludes with reflections on the concept of climate as a statistical average of weather and historical climate patterns, challenging the narrative of global warming.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean: Mr Sullivan. \n\nDan: Mr Jackson Well well, well. Is it hot or cold? Didn't forward that to me. \n\nDean: Well, it is middling. I would say it's a little bit of a cast, but I think it's on its way. We had yesterday like the first day in several weeks that I felt a warmth in the air. There's been. We've had a bit of a cold overtone to everything. \n\nDan: Yeah, I think cold in Florida in January is worse than cold in. Ontario. Yes In your brain yeah. \n\nDean: And especially disappointing for people who come from Canada expecting. \n\nDan: I was contemplating this on the plane flight we flew it to Chicago yesterday afternoon and I was complaining at how oblivious I am generally to weather. Like I know, there are people who I don't know what the exact term is, but they have seasonal, seasonal mood disorder or something like that. \n\nDean: Seasonal affective effective disorder. Yeah, Sad. \n\nDan: Seasonal affective disorder. Right, yeah, and you know I don't exactly know what goes on there, but the only thing I can say I don't have it, yeah, exactly. \n\nDean: I don't mind overcast either. That's funny, but you know I am 24 years now into a snow free millennium with only two asterisks, and those asterisks are both because of you. The only time I've seen snow in this whole millennium is on the occasions when I've been in Toronto in the winter because of the cold In the winter, because of going to 10 times when you started the 10 times program, and then I believe there was one time in Chicago that there was some snow, usually three out of the four dates you get away with no snow, but there's always that December till, you know, april time when it somewhere in there you might end up with some snow. \n\nDan: Yeah, well, we have snow on the ground, I mean fresh to overnight, but the sidewalks are already dry, naturally, and I already arranged. \n\nDean: I already arranged, with the powers that be, to put the asterisks beside my thing, because although I've seen snow and been in the presence of snow, I've not had snow touch me, so the purity of it is intact, although the technicality of it is. \n\nDan: I've been in snow, so yeah, I remember our very first client from Australia mid 90s, from Sydney, and he came to his workshop in Toronto one winter and his wife came with him and he got a call from her while he was at the workshop that she had gone outside in a snow head fell on her. \n\nDean: In Australia or in no. In in Toronto, all right, a snow head falling on her. \n\nDan: It's the first time in her life that a snow she was talking about a flake. \n\nDean: She was talking about a flake yeah yeah, I got it A snow. Yeah, usually you can have as many as you want. \n\nDan: Front all you want, yeah. But I have very memorable childhood winters of hiking through fields and woods in the snowy season, and you know, and of course when you're six years old, the snow is deeper than it is when you're 80. \n\nYeah, but I, so my I have a real warm spot in my heart about snowy treks, you know, and imagining that you're a member of, you know, an arctic exploration, everything things that you do, you make up, you know, you make up, you know romantic images based on your reading regarding snow. But I like the forest seasons. I'm a real fan of the change from one season to the other. And then, you know, we have these massive oak trees in our lawn. \n\nWe have seven that are you know well over 100 feet and and they're real friends because we've had them now for you know, for at this particular spot, we've had them for 20,. This is our 22nd year. And you know and I just you know they're kind of friends, you know they're kind of dependable friends. Oaks tend not to disappoint, you know they're not they're never late, they always show up, you know that's exactly right. \n\nYeah, and but, it's just interesting to watch the change of the scenery and our lawn based on what happens to the oak trees over the course of an entire year. \n\nDean: Well, you, you have not yet been to the four seasons, Valhalla but we are surrounded by 150 year old oak trees. It's like a park. Right out in front of my house. I have a big one that spans over the driveway. It's beautiful. \n\nDan: I think these are called they're in the south there's this variety. They're called pin oaks. I don't know what the actual name Live oak. Well, live oaks are the best. \n\nDean: That's what I think we have, because they're they spread. You know, they've got quite a nice canopy. \n\nDan: When an oak tree is alive, that's the best. \n\nDean: Oh, I see, oh, yes, that is. \n\nDan: You know, You're always a bit worried about the dead ones, the dead oaks are the best yeah, oh my goodness you crack me up. \n\nDean: I'm constantly amazed that they come and so that tree in front of my house. We've got them all throughout the whole neighborhood here and they come and they'll like lop off entire branches, like entire, not just the little things but big things, and they'll just keep going and grow right back and shape the way, because often it'll they have to trim around because the limbs will come over my house right and if it were to fall it would be a problem. So they always keep it outside the perimeter of the roof. \n\nDan: Well, it must have been interesting because, to you know, the zoning in your place must have taken into account that you can't cut down the oak trees. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's true, that's everything is built around them and our H away takes care of all of the landscaping. So everything it's all uniform. It looks like a park so you don't have, you know, different levels of care being taken. Everybody's at the whole, the whole place looks great. \n\nDan: So no opportunity for status right. \n\nDean: That's exactly right and they owe that tightly deed restricted. Like you're, absolutely right, Like it's. You know, every house is the same brick. There's approved tile, they're all tile roof. You have to have a tile roof, you have to have copper flashings, you have to have this Valhalla brown as any exterior paint the windows, everything. It's all you know. They started in the late 80s building in here and they've, you know, as recently as two years ago. The last, the last home was, was built in here, but there's only 50 homes in here but you wouldn't be able to tell. You couldn't tell which ones are new and which ones are from, you know, 1980s, and that's. It's kind of nice, it's cool, but we've had you know I say it's funny. \n\nYou say it's an interesting thought that no opportunity for status in here. Because so when I moved in here 22 years ago now 2002, I was by far the youngest person in here and thought I was would joke that 20 years from now I'll be old enough to live in here. And this is a my neighborhood like. Right beside me, three of the four houses to my right were referred to at the time as Citrus Barron Row, where these guys were, all you know, in their 70s and 80s and had built the Citrus. You know they were all sort of competitors in the Citrus business in Polk County. At one time Polk County produced more Citrus than the entire state of California and so so these guys were all there. \n\nMy neighbor across the street was the guy who started Steak and Shake, the restaurant chain, and when he died he he left $20 million to Indiana University for the Kelly School of Business Wing there, and the my neighbor who moved in there is now the own company called Colorado Boxed Beef and they are like an Omaha Steaks type of thing. So anyway, fascinating people but very like low key. You never know about any of them that they're who they are, and I think that was part of the intention of the community, you know when they built the community. But it's very interesting. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's really interesting the reason I brought up the status thing, relationship to a, you know, a design community, you know just use the word design community and the first one actually was in. I think it was in New Jersey. And it was called Levittown and it was designed by a man by the name of Levitt, and that was the first design community that was where individuals could buy homes. I mean there were sort of during the industrial age, growing you know in the 1800s there was, there were company towns. \n\nyou know where the corporation, the company, would design all the homes and you know, they would do it on the cheap. They would do it on the cheap, and they're actually. There's a town outside of Chicago called Pullman. \n\nDean: And. \n\nDan: Pullman was the cars. Oh yeah, pullman cars right. Pullman. \n\nDean: Pullman cars, Rail rail cars, right yeah. \n\nDan: And the railways. Yeah, and that was a design company town and all the businesses were owned by the company and the only people who could live there were people who worked for the Pullman. So you've had that type of thing. You've had that type of thing, you know. You know it's probably from the beginning of industrialization, hershey, Pennsylvania, kind of that way too. \n\nDean: Yeah, Kohler, Wisconsin yeah. \n\nDan: Kohler, wisconsin. Yeah, and so the. But I think Levittown was actually. It's worth it for people to look it up. It's a very interesting thing. \n\nDean: Yeah, I remember seeing some documentary about it. \n\nDan: And it was huge. I mean it was huge, it was in the thousands of homes. \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: And yeah, and then you know, the idea caught on. \n\nDean: Yeah, well, that was what, as the evolution of you know, as cars became the big thing in the highway system, you know you could have. That was where the suburbs really began. That was one of the first suburbs of Firecall. Yeah, yeah, very interesting that actually started that really started in. \n\nDan: I read the history of the Victorian age and Great Britain which, last you know, is basically from the beginning of Queen Victoria, which was, I think, 1820s, 1830s, right up until she died and she was in for more than 60 years. And but the big thing was the expansion of the London rail system. You know it kept going further and further out and you know London Americans who have no idea of what you know a city train system looks like, because London has seven that I visited. They may have more, but they had seven major railroad stations and these are huge. These are as big as you know. They're like Grand Central Station but there's seven of them. \n\nAnd then the lines go out like the, you know like the, like a clock face that go out, you know and, but they kept pushing them further and further out, and one of the big things was that you could live right on the rail system and they started building these suburban towns, not with the uniformity that you're talking about with you know, with your, your community, but but that whole idea of the suburbs became a big thing, you know, and and that it changed things economically, it changed things politically, changed things culturally. \n\nDean: And that's. \n\nDan: That's very interesting thing. And you know and contrast that with where we have our home in Chicago, that right after the war it was sort of a factory or it's right near the airport and they built all these boxes you know, and they were just streets and streets. Yeah, yeah, and they were the same. They were, you know, not big but completely uniform, and I think around that happened probably for a period of 10, 15 years, straight up till the 60s, and then the. Park Ridge, the town that I live in, passed a law that if you build the house, it couldn't be. \n\nIt had to be different from the two houses on each side of you. \n\nDean: Oh, wow, that's interesting. I wonder about that, Like the. This evolution would be an interesting, like you know, seeing the architectural journey because, if you go back to, have you ever been to Newport in in Rhode Island? Yeah, newport, rhode Island, have you ever been to see the? Vanderbilt mansions and all those things. \n\nDan: Well, they were called cottages. \n\nDean: They were called Newport cottages, exactly. I love that yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, they had 40 rooms, you know yeah. \n\nDean: So when you look at it in a world pre-income tax and pre-antitrust all of those things- I think income tax probably made a difference. Probably. \n\nBut, you look at that, that gilded age of where opulence was the thing, that's where you get all those, you know, huge mansions, in New York City even, and the whole thing. People were, they were big and there's nowhere. You know, across the street from me there is a new development. So one of the Valhalla was kind of out, you know, surrounded by 350 acres that one Citrus family owned for years, right there's almost a mile on Lake Eloise of Lakefront, and there was no houses on it, it was all just orange groves. And so recently, you know, a few years ago, they sold the land and now they're starting to develop this neighborhood, this new, you know, giant subdivision called Harmony, and the houses they start the first phase, like in the last, in the last year, they've, you know, made quite amazing Headway on it. \n\nBut damn, the houses that they're building have as much character as the houses in the board game monopoly. They're just little Boxes that they're putting right beside each other on all of these things. And the two-story houses look like the hotels In monopoly, you know, and there's no, they're just boxes with windows and a two-car garage and a driveway and Zero Character. You look at the homes that were being built in the, you know, in the 20th year. They 1800s, 19, 120s. The homes were all Craftsman style homes, you know, like there was some artistry to them. Now, in every way, it's really come full circle to pure Utilitarian. You know, utility, just what's the? \n\nyeah right angles with very little, you know very little. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's really, really interesting because you know there's kind of a Van vanity that goes along with the times. You know another yeah well, we do things better than people did a hundred years ago. Well it was very interesting that a hundred years ago you could go to the Sears and Roba catalog. Yeah and you could go, where you could buy a house of the and, and they would have pages and pages of different styles, and, and what you would do is you would order it you know, yeah, and you had to pay. \n\nYou had to pay for it. You know you had to send a money order. You had to Western Union that you know you had to send a telegram and then the money would be secured at the other end and about five days later, by train and truck, your house kit would arrive, and then you had to engage with a local builder and the local builder would just follow the manual and would put up a house, and some of these houses were 10, 12 Room houses, you know yeah yeah, they had big porches and everything else. \n\nAnd then you could modify them. I mean, you could modify them, you could paint them whatever color you wanted it. There's actually a town in Michigan, frankenmuth, which is sort of a German theme. It's sort of one of those theme towns. You know where. It's a German town, so they have a big October fest there every year and you know they have German restaurants and I suspected happened because there were a lot of German immigrants to that area of Michigan. But they have more intact lived in Sears and Roboc houses than any other community. \n\nDean: Oh, wow and and. \n\nDan: But if you go to, you know, if you go to Google and you just put in Sears and Roboc houses images, you'll see the bit, you'll see all the pictures of these houses in there. It would be considered sort of lavish today, these houses, you know. But it was just you know it just arrived by train. You know it was big curtain after curtain. Everything Funny that we've kind of come. \n\nDean: We've kind of come full circle on that. Now. The biggest trends are, you know, pre modular manufactured manufactured homes yeah, that they deliver, and even now 3d printed homes and I think it's probably gonna be a combination of that of 3d printed and Modular yeah, interior things that's gonna be. But you know, you look at it, it's like we're still have you seen in any? I don't haven't followed it, but population projections for the United States over the next 50 years. Have you seen what's the projection? \n\nDan: So they're three, you know, they're mid is probably, you know, and that's a lot of illegal people who became legal you know, so there's a ton of illegal People in the country right now right and everything. But they estimate. You know that the US is going to grow pretty much at. You know, if you look back 30 or 40 years probably, you know probably the same rate of growth to you know, one or two percent per year that population grows and but they're the Peter Zion in his books and I thought about him a lot on the pre bird podcast. \n\nYeah, but he said that the United States still has so much land. Oh yeah not, that's not settled. I mean it's. You know, it's geographically established. And everyone but he said the US could. This was. He was using three 330 million as the base number there and he said if you doubled the population 660 million the country wouldn't feel any more crowded than it does now. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's very interesting and I can attest to that for Florida in itself, yeah, but we was Hard. \n\nDan: As for it is like 30 million now, I think it is. \n\nDean: No, it's on its way to 30 million in by 30. By 2030 it should be 30 million. Yeah, it's 20, 24 million or something right now, but we're the fastest growing. They are alternating between Texas and, but we grew last year at 1200 people a day, you know. So we're growing a city the size of Orlando every year. Yeah, and there's plenty of part of the reason. \n\nDan: Part of the reason, I think, is the retiring baby boomers. \n\nDean: Oh, yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: And in other words, that I may be an anomaly, that I'm 80 and I'll be 80 in May and I don't feel the cold doesn't bother me. You know, right, cold weather, but there's a lot of people, you know, I mean if you have arthritis. You know the cold bothers you, you know and other things. But you know, I know I have no thought of ever and Babs would be with me here. No thought of ever living as our permanent home anywhere but Toronto right and. \n\nBut we visited, our favorite is Arizona, so we go to. Arizona a lot during the year, yeah, and. But I have no, you know, I mean there wouldn't be anything under. Well, one day We'll be able to go and you know they'll spend. \n\nDean: You know, spend you know, six months, yeah, some warm, and that doesn't really. That's playing into Florida's hand in that it's still part of the dream for many people. \n\nOh yeah, it's you know you when we were talking about guessing and betting, that you know I think that's a pretty certain guess that from you know what's not going to change in the next 20 years, that you know right now still we're in the middle of the, the baby boom, baby boomers turning 65, there's going to be 10,000 people a day turning 65 right now, which will be 2028. \n\nDan: 2028 is the year when all people born during the baby boom era are now older than 65. Yeah, 2028. \n\nDean: Yeah, so you look at that and it's like in the Northeast that is almost like you know. It's almost like mandatory military requirement. Back it up. This is where you get shipped to. \n\nDan: This is where you get shipped to yeah, yeah, yeah and, of course, the Northeast is by far the most expensive from a government standpoint is the most expensive part of the country. Yeah regulation and taxes. \n\nDean: Yeah, you know. \n\nDan: I would say from New Jersey right up to the Canadian border. You know that there's a movement south. I mean, obviously Florida has great attractions. You know, other than, but even economically, that your tax and regulations are way more tolerable than in the. Northeast. Yeah, you know I kid people who are from California, you know I. You know who are in the plant base. New York not so much New York, but California. \n\nIt's easier to pick on New York than it is, or pick on California than it is. New York, california was the dream place. You know, you went to. California. That was the great dream, and I said so at some point. Are you thinking about moving to the United States? \n\nDean: That's funny. Yes, exactly. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've got a client who's from Montana Bozeman, and he's. I said why is Bozeman so popular? And they said it's, it's. It's the closest place in Montana that you can be near the United States. \n\nDean: Okay, it's so funny, those places, there are lots of those like. We've got a client in Miami, in South Beach, and they said that's the refrain, that's their clients. What they like about South Beach is that it's so close to America. You know, you can certainly be in it, but not of it there. \n\nThat's the truth, you know, yeah, yeah, I think that's kind of what you know every, that's what's kind of buoying. You know Ron DeSantis, his, you know his polling is. You know, the only reason he's even in the running is because of you know people looking at what he's done for Florida. His whole campaign was make America Florida. \n\nDan: But that would be, you know, that would be candidate who just has had no United, no experience outside of Florida. \n\nDean: Absolutely Right, I think that's it. \n\nDan: Each of the states is a country and people. You know people have their. You know the whole notion that everything should be like one place. \n\nDean: Yeah Right, that's not it. \n\nDan: I mean, there were a lot of rookie mistakes that he made. You know you, yeah. The other thing is that he's running up against somebody who's done two complete national campaigns before this one. He's a great organizer I mean President Trump is. \n\nDean: I think everybody is. I think everybody is baffled by his. I mean, it's not even close the lead that Trump has over everybody else in the polling and in the you know the things. It's just what a year this is going to be, you know, to see how this all plays out. Yeah, and I think some cases. \n\nDan: some cases are going to, especially at the level of the Supreme Court, and one of them is, of course, the appeal to the Colorado move. \n\nDean: Oh yeah. \n\nDan: Trump can't be on the ballot and I think if the justice the justices, I mean it'll the Supreme Court will overturn it, but I think the justices would be smart to make it 9 to 0. Yeah, because this is and it's just an interpretation of one of the amendments the 14th Amendment, and that's you know, and, and they're going to establish that, and then that becomes the precedent. So all the other states, like Maine or anybody else is thinking about it can't do it you know, and that's the role of the Supreme Court are to interpret the Constitution. \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: But that'll be seen as a big win. And then there's another one that he has where there's a special prosecutor who's after him and there's he appealed the special prosecutor that he needed to ruling and they said, no, this is your issue, you have to go through the court system. And that was a win for Trump. And and the whole point is everybody's desperately trying to get the actual trials because he's been indicted in before the election. But there's all sorts of ways that you can delay it into the future. You know, and anyway, so I was reading that the whole notion of January 6 and the insurrection, you know that's the key issue here, that January 6. And insurrection, but none of the charges against him are mentioned. The word insurrection, you know they mentioned. You know it's tax things that he hit documents with him, you know you know when he left the White House and everything like that. \n\nBut I don't think they're going to stand up to scrutiny and but everyone that he wins now is like his poll numbers go up when he's indicted. His polls numbers go up when the retirement is overturned his poll, numbers go up. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: But he's 24 seven. The thing that the media know is that when they have anything about Trump, they get higher viewership and there's more advertising dollars and so they're caught because they'd like to take him down. But everything they do to take him down increases his poll numbers. Crazy, yeah, but it's interesting. But it's interesting like the. You know, my Jeff Maddoff and I did a podcast last Sunday and we were comparing the phenomenon of Taylor Swift, the phenomenon of Trump. Oh, wow. \n\nCompletely different. You know completely different world and everything but but each of them has created a movement that people feel that they can participate in. Yeah this is. Nobody in the music industry has what she has as a movement and nobody in the political realm has what he has in the. You know it's a nationwide movement. Yes that you feel you can participate in, and but it's amazing to me how heavy the field is. \n\nDean: You know, in terms of like, it's really only Biden and Trump. There's no real viable, no candidate. I mean even as much of a. You know we saw Robert Kennedy in Genius Genius network and you know they as running as an independent, which is, you know, that's a non-starter and there's no, that's not a difficult. That's not a difficult bet to guess. Even if he is a reasonable, you know it has some things and you start to see now even know there's nobody coming Behind, is not even any alternatives. \n\nYou know like you look at Vivek Ramaswamy and yeah, you know, although he kind of has Obama Undertones to reminds me, like as a speaker and articulator, communicator, but I don't know, for me he it's just the tone, that it's more important to him to be right, that he was a win. The argument you know through, yeah, clever Elecution yeah. \n\nDan: I don't know how that win the battle, but lose the war. \n\nDean: That's what it feels like to me. Right like that is just kind of that. It just has. \n\nDan: It's more important to him the real motivation is to prove that he's smart enough, or whatever you know yeah, and you know, I mean first of all the times we're in dictates whether people think that somebody's viable or not. And I mean this is a time of tremendous change. I mean, it's probably the Most change since the second world war. I would yeah that, the overall changes that we're going, and and everything gets Shaky and unhinged just when you have a big, when you have I just looked at like last night. \n\nDean: It was so funny. I looked at the you know the odds Makers, the. I found a cumulative thing and it's it's all trump. Trump is the the Betty market. \n\nDan: the bedding, yeah, the bedding market is all on trump, and that's yeah. \n\nDean: Yeah, and the betting markets. \n\nDan: They were wrong with trump the first time. They you know they were they. I mean they had Hillary, like Day before the election they had heard like at 85, 90 percent, you know, yeah. So so people say yeah, yeah, but that was a fluke, that was a look and I said, yeah, but what if the candidate candidate himself, is the fluke? \n\nDean: Right, exactly. \n\nDan: No, but I did. \n\nDean: Of all of the field. It wasn't. It's not like an 80 percent thing there, I think it was like 40 percent Likely, which is the top of all of the. \n\nDan: That was against the field, including everybody including, but what you go head on head, they all have trump Biden and it's like 60 versus 60 40, you know oh, wow, okay that's interesting and yeah, and that's what people are betting on, but that those, the betting markets, can be gained and and I'll give you an example was brexit, which happened, you know, in the may, in may or june, I think of 16 before the presidential election, and the interesting thing is that debates are a big thing in Great Britain and they're televised and there were 10 of them in the six months leading up to the actual vote on brexit Britain leaving the European Union and \n\nand I watched them and with every debate the Leave side had all the emotional issues. The Stay side had a lot of intellectual, intellectual arguments and they were you know, they're British, they're very articulate. It was, you know, it was well said on both sides. But the the thing that really cracked the back against the stay side Was the european union decided, about three months before the campaign started, that they were going to regulate the electrical, electrical charge of teapots in Great Britain and everybody had to get rid of their teapot because they were using not too much. And this was coming from Brussels, you know, from the European union. You just lost it. You screw around with her because every If you have to change your tea cup, then every every day at three, three to five o'clock. You're talking right, get out of the european. You're not talking about. \n\nDean: You're talking about the football players. \n\nDan: You're saying let's leave Britain those suckers. They can't tell us, you know. So it's always like the bud light. One thing in the united states I said that was a crack, that was like an earthquake you know, that you're fooling around with our beer, can't you know you can't yeah you know, you can't fool around with our beer, can't I so funny you know and I think it's always comes down to a gut issue very emotional that everybody gets like everybody gets they're pulling around. \n\nIt's like you know, when they closed down all the schools, all the states that closed down the schools for it, they didn't close down the schools, they, they closed, I mean the individual schools for one reason or another. Can you know? Could you know have special reasons or anything? Else yes there wasn't coming from the top. There was no really on the schools and they did enormous damage. \n\nWe now know that there was enormous damage Done to those people right at the early stage, when they're starting to learn how to socialize or, you know, and I think we're going to see a damaged generation, maybe two damaged generations in the future, who, you know, had too much time on their hands alone. Yeah, my, my feeling is, and it strikes me right now, that trump just has a monopoly on all the gut, emotional issues. \n\nDean: I agree, like you look at, it's pretty amazing how Cloudlandia has really shaped the way we think about these elections, like I think, as cloudlandia has really become the primary place that the elections have. Probably you know, it seems they've become more contentious or more divide, dividing, and I don't know how to clear enough Remember you know what that happened. \n\nDan: Yeah, no way that happened. Yeah, and there I had a really good article on this and I had to do with how the media gets its advertising dollars. Right, okay and, first of all, the media got their advertising dollars taken away. Okay, because facebook and google have 70 percent of the ad money. Now just those two companies. Yeah, okay, so a lot of the media had to turn to a Subscription model so for example, let's take the new york times. \n\nYes and you know not my, you know it's not a paper that represents my political interest, but I always found it an informative paper. There were always good articles up until I would say, probably 10 years ago, okay, and and the reason was they made their money from newspapers that went to the street every day. Know that and whoever wanted to buy the new york times would buy the new york times. Yes but they were very thick papers. \n\nThe daily new york times was a paper and you know a lot of the pages. I mean 40 percent of the space was. Advertisers you know, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, what happened then? When the, the advertising dollars went away, they had to go to a subscription model and therefore they just moved to the part Of the population whose politics agreed with the new york times, and they lost everybody. His politics didn't agree with the new york times. \n\nAnd the same thing happened on on the other side of the political spectrum. So, for example, great bark, which is now a powerhouse On the, you know, on the internet that a strictly an internet. That's strictly an internet media company. \n\nDean: Yes, town hall. \n\nDan: Yeah, news news max town hall. These didn't exist. They really didn't exist. You know, 10, 15 years ago but, what people going to drift from the you know the media sources that they used to go go to because it just favored one side of the political spectrum. Look for new opportunities and these other, these other real, clear politics is another one real court pox has as emerged, and so that's what polarized things was the disappearance of advertising dollars. \n\nDean: Or the. You know, it's really interesting that you just brought something up that I thought about, that. You know the New York Times print edition, you were any. You had to get the whole newspaper and so you're getting all of the things, but when you're online, it's all parsed out to the individual articles the clickbait and who they're attracting, and then it made more sense to lean into the audience that you are attracting, right, that's. \n\nSo the bias became more pronounced, I think right or evident. You couldn't, on balance, balance it out in the entirety of a print edition of the newspaper, because it's only individual articles and pages that are getting attracting the traffic, you know. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: That's something. \n\nDan: Yeah, so I mean there's many other reasons besides that particular one. But from an economic standpoint that was the main economic reasons why polarization has happened, and you know, and it's become much more subjective to the reporting has become much more. You know, they're not reporting on the facts, they're interpreting the facts and commentating on the facts. So you don't have reporters anymore, you have commentators. You know. You know the reporters are building them the political message into the reporting of the facts. \n\nYou know, and I mean, for example, you can't get any reporting on global, on weather you know weather, you know extreme weather without somebody interpreting as just another sign of global warming, which is, global warming is not a scientific issue, it's a political issue, right, right, right, yeah, yeah, the science doesn't support it. I mean, yeah, it's going up, but we're coming out of an ice age. \n\nDean: You know, we've been coming out of an ice age for 10,000 years, and that's what I meant, that's what I always fall back on that, dan, that somehow we lifted ourselves, the planet somehow lifted itself out of an ice age without the aid of combustible engines and fossil fuels. Yeah, so somehow that was the it was possible. You know it was happening before. \n\nDan: Yeah where I live in Toronto. I was under about 500 feet of ice Right. \n\nDean: Right, right. So, the big thaw. \n\nDan: Yeah, it takes a while, you know, for glaciers to actually, you know, and it's just a gradual warming up and then there's periods when it, you know it dips down. You know that you got ups and downs and you know the temperatures. You know the temperatures, you know, and there's fluctuations. You know the the heat. Climate doesn't actually exist. Climate is a statistical average. All the weather, like, yeah, where Valhalla, where you are, the climate in Valhalla is totally determined by 365 days of temperate. You know of weather and they're just measuring it and they call that the climate. But, nobody experiences. Nobody experiences climate. \n\nDean: We experience weather. \n\nDan: Yes, climate is just, it's just an abstract term to measure. You know, all the weather in one place and climate change Even, yeah, even, in Valhalla, probably, where you, where you are, are you shaded by the oak trees? \n\nDean: We not particularly. I mean it's, they're there. No, it's not. The whole house is not shaded by oak trees, but there is shade in the neighborhood, yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, but it's really interesting that if you where you go for coffee. It might be an annual average. It might be one degree warmer where you're getting your coffee than where people live. \n\nDean: Oh, global warming. \n\nDan: Yeah, well, you know, it's kind of like I was thinking about all these yeah. \n\nDean: It's like you know Deming I was sort of in rereading Deming lately and you know one of his, his, the funnel experiments, where they would, you know, move and adjust the funnel based on the last result. So it's kind of, and that created the greatest variation by you know adjusting with each data point, as opposed to you know adjusting the system. \n\nDan: Yeah, well, here's the thing, that one of the you know you had the polar bears as one of the symbols of global warming. Remember the polar bearer thing? This was Al Gore. He got on the. You know the polar bears, the actual, actually the population of polar bears, and there aren't a lot of them, but you know, they're in a particular latitude, above a certain latitude line, going or going around the world, and their populations actually increased since he started making a prediction that they would be gone right now. So they've actually increased. \n\nBut the other thing, that the other thing is really interesting are the Maldives. The Maldives about a thousand islands in a cluster in the Indian Ocean and the Maldives have been petitioning the UN that they need to get a lot of money because you know they're sinking in the sea. \n\nThe average height of the islands. You know, and there's, you know, there's a thousand, I think there's a thousand in the what's called the Maldive Islands, and you know, it's about two feet above sea level. So they said well, you know, in 30 years we'll disappear. So we have to have massive money to redirect our population. And but actually the the geography of the Maldive Islands, maldives, has actually increased over the last 30 years. They've got now more land than you know, than they had. You know. And all of a sudden you say, well, why'd that happen? \n\nWell, they said, we're trying to figure out why it happened, you know, and what about the problem we're? Trying to. We're trying to figure out why it happened. You know which? One is that everything that we were saying before was based on ignorance. \n\nDean: That's a good explanation. Exactly. \n\nDan: Yeah, but what I was going to say? I was just thinking about this the other day. When you look at every cause, you know political cause, you know whatever cause you have, it's about money. Okay. \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: And every movement is a money making machine. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's. It's pretty cake or wrong really following the money. \n\nDan: It all comes down to Jerry McGuire. Show me the money. I'm going to explain any movement on the planet. Where's the money moving? Is the money coming in or is the money going out? \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: Yeah, it was so funny because the Israelis, I think, 10 days ago, killed, I think, the number three Hamas guy who was living in Beirut. Wow, he was worth four billion a year. You know he made like four billion a year. And they've got the top six and they said you know we're going to find you and we're going to. You know we're going to kill you, but the top guys who don't live in Gaza, they live in Qatar. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: Qatar. The pronunciation is Qatar. They're living in Istanbul, they're living in Beirut and I bet these are nervous people. \n\nDean: I bet yeah, yeah, could you imagine? I mean, that's kind of. It's an interesting. I had dinner with Leigh, or Weinstein, the other night, two nights ago, and you know we were talking. I didn't realize this, but you know he said there's only 15 million Jews in the world, the world, yeah, I would have thought it was way more. I mean, that seems such. \n\nDan: Well, it tells you the impact of the Holocaust or the Second World. \n\nDean: War yeah. \n\nDan: Without the Holocaust, there'd be now 35 to 40 million 40 million Jews. I saw a projection once. That's how devastating. \n\nDean: It was, yeah, at one point. Yeah, the Holocaust was probably 40% of the Jews. Which, yeah, if you implicate, I mean track that out. It's just like you were saying, yeah, probably 30 or 40 million, that would have. That would have been. I mean it's pretty, it's crazy, and the eight of them are in Israel or whatever, right, so that's. \n\nDan: No, it's not that high. \n\nDean: No, it wasn't it. \n\nDan: Actually Israel, just to surpass the United States, had six for the, you know it's not a fast growing a population. \n\nDean: Israel matters. \n\nDan: And I think they're at. The Jewish population now is could be maybe seven. It's on the way to seven, yeah. \n\nDean: Okay, so I wasn't that far off, yeah. \n\nDan: I think New York City itself has, New York City itself has two million. \n\nDean: Wow. \n\nDan: Two million. Yeah, yeah, that's wild. Yeah, you know they have a lot of history, you know. I mean, you want to know about what's happened to them over 3,000 years. Yeah, they've got a lot of history to talk about, you know, and what a self-granted is, and so so, anyway, yeah, it's really interesting, but they're not confused about who their enemies are. \n\nDean: Right, yes. \n\nDan: Anyway, I think it's meal time for you. \n\nDean: Yes, that is exactly right. I have wonderful. \n\nDan: What are today arriving? \n\nDean: Well, today Dan today, Dan, I have the Tuscan grilled pork chops arriving today with some broccoli, it's so good, it's very good and so yeah, I'm excited this so far this has been a really good. You know, removing of discretion in the pricing. \n\nDan: Row number one do not give Dan Dean Jackson discretion. \n\nDean: Right, exactly so. It allows, it allows rational Dean to make decisions for future team. \n\nDan: Yeah, and I get to enjoy them and it's projected into the future. \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: We're into the future. \n\nDean: Yes, which is great, and so that, just for people listening, have discovered with in collaboration with Jay Virgin, we discovered we've chosen 10 power meals for me that are available on Grun Uber eats, and, using the pre order feature, I'm able to establish these deliveries at 12 o'clock and six o'clock and so bookend my days with these pre healthy meals. So so far, so good. Personal wisdom, yes, fantastic. So stay tuned. \n\nDan: Yeah, anyway, this was really good and this is about weather and location and dwellings. \n\nDean: And very interesting discussion. I love it. Well, have a great day, dan. A week, great week in Chicago, and then are we on for next week. Yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: I'm back in Toronto next week. Okay great, I can try. Yeah, all right. Okay good Thanks, bye, bye, okay. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn today\u0026#39;s episode of \u0026quot;Welcome to Cloudlandia\u0026quot;, Dan and I discuss the unexpected cold weather that recently swept through Florida and Ontario. We talk about how the weather can affect our moods and the emotional connection between climate and architecture. We share personal stories about winters and pay tribute to oak trees that stand steadfast throughout the seasons.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe also consider community planning and how neighborhoods can either embrace nature or ignore natural elements. Additionally, we explore innovative housing, such as modular and 3D-printed designs, while considering ideas on population growth. The future of shelter looks promising.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eFinally, we wrap up by examining the impact of advertising on media polarization and the changing news landscape.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul style=\"list-style-type: circle;\"\u003e\n\u003c/center\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eDan and I discuss the unexpected cold in Florida and Ontario, touching on Seasonal Affective Disorder and the psychological impact of weather on mood.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe pay tribute to the significance of oak trees and their presence through the seasons, exploring how community planning can integrate with nature.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eDan reminisces about the grandiose architecture of the Gilded Age and contrasts it with the simplicity and utilitarian focus of modern home designs.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe explore the historical context of Craftsman-style homes and the influence of income tax and antitrust laws on architectural styles.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe delve into the topic of U.S. population growth predictions and Peter Zeihan's perspective on the country's capacity to double its population without feeling more congested.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eThe conversation shifts to the current political landscape, analyzing the dichotomy between Biden and Trump, and the challenges faced by third-party candidacies.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe examine the accuracy and influence of betting markets on political forecasting and their reflection of public sentiment.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eDan describes the impact of the pandemic on education and considers potential long-term effects on future generations.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eWe discuss the shift from advertising to subscription models in media, considering the New York Times as a case study and touching on media polarization and the influence of digital giants.\u003c/li\u003e\n    \u003cli\u003eThe episode concludes with reflections on the concept of climate as a statistical average of weather and historical climate patterns, challenging the narrative of global warming.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Sullivan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Jackson Well well, well. Is it hot or cold? Didn\u0026#39;t forward that to me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it is middling. I would say it\u0026#39;s a little bit of a cast, but I think it\u0026#39;s on its way. We had yesterday like the first day in several weeks that I felt a warmth in the air. There\u0026#39;s been. We\u0026#39;ve had a bit of a cold overtone to everything. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think cold in Florida in January is worse than cold in. Ontario. Yes In your brain yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And especially disappointing for people who come from Canada expecting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I was contemplating this on the plane flight we flew it to Chicago yesterday afternoon and I was complaining at how oblivious I am generally to weather. Like I know, there are people who I don\u0026#39;t know what the exact term is, but they have seasonal, seasonal mood disorder or something like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Seasonal affective effective disorder. Yeah, Sad. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Seasonal affective disorder. Right, yeah, and you know I don\u0026#39;t exactly know what goes on there, but the only thing I can say I don\u0026#39;t have it, yeah, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t mind overcast either. That\u0026#39;s funny, but you know I am 24 years now into a snow free millennium with only two asterisks, and those asterisks are both because of you. The only time I\u0026#39;ve seen snow in this whole millennium is on the occasions when I\u0026#39;ve been in Toronto in the winter because of the cold In the winter, because of going to 10 times when you started the 10 times program, and then I believe there was one time in Chicago that there was some snow, usually three out of the four dates you get away with no snow, but there\u0026#39;s always that December till, you know, april time when it somewhere in there you might end up with some snow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, we have snow on the ground, I mean fresh to overnight, but the sidewalks are already dry, naturally, and I already arranged. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I already arranged, with the powers that be, to put the asterisks beside my thing, because although I\u0026#39;ve seen snow and been in the presence of snow, I\u0026#39;ve not had snow touch me, so the purity of it is intact, although the technicality of it is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve been in snow, so yeah, I remember our very first client from Australia mid 90s, from Sydney, and he came to his workshop in Toronto one winter and his wife came with him and he got a call from her while he was at the workshop that she had gone outside in a snow head fell on her. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e In Australia or in no. In in Toronto, all right, a snow head falling on her. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s the first time in her life that a snow she was talking about a flake. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e She was talking about a flake yeah yeah, I got it A snow. Yeah, usually you can have as many as you want. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Front all you want, yeah. But I have very memorable childhood winters of hiking through fields and woods in the snowy season, and you know, and of course when you\u0026#39;re six years old, the snow is deeper than it is when you\u0026#39;re 80. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, but I, so my I have a real warm spot in my heart about snowy treks, you know, and imagining that you\u0026#39;re a member of, you know, an arctic exploration, everything things that you do, you make up, you know, you make up, you know romantic images based on your reading regarding snow. But I like the forest seasons. I\u0026#39;m a real fan of the change from one season to the other. And then, you know, we have these massive oak trees in our lawn. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe have seven that are you know well over 100 feet and and they\u0026#39;re real friends because we\u0026#39;ve had them now for you know, for at this particular spot, we\u0026#39;ve had them for 20,. This is our 22nd year. And you know and I just you know they\u0026#39;re kind of friends, you know they\u0026#39;re kind of dependable friends. Oaks tend not to disappoint, you know they\u0026#39;re not they\u0026#39;re never late, they always show up, you know that\u0026#39;s exactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, and but, it\u0026#39;s just interesting to watch the change of the scenery and our lawn based on what happens to the oak trees over the course of an entire year. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you, you have not yet been to the four seasons, Valhalla but we are surrounded by 150 year old oak trees. It\u0026#39;s like a park. Right out in front of my house. I have a big one that spans over the driveway. It\u0026#39;s beautiful. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think these are called they\u0026#39;re in the south there\u0026#39;s this variety. They\u0026#39;re called pin oaks. I don\u0026#39;t know what the actual name Live oak. Well, live oaks are the best. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s what I think we have, because they\u0026#39;re they spread. You know, they\u0026#39;ve got quite a nice canopy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e When an oak tree is alive, that\u0026#39;s the best. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I see, oh, yes, that is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, You\u0026#39;re always a bit worried about the dead ones, the dead oaks are the best yeah, oh my goodness you crack me up. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m constantly amazed that they come and so that tree in front of my house. We\u0026#39;ve got them all throughout the whole neighborhood here and they come and they\u0026#39;ll like lop off entire branches, like entire, not just the little things but big things, and they\u0026#39;ll just keep going and grow right back and shape the way, because often it\u0026#39;ll they have to trim around because the limbs will come over my house right and if it were to fall it would be a problem. So they always keep it outside the perimeter of the roof. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it must have been interesting because, to you know, the zoning in your place must have taken into account that you can\u0026#39;t cut down the oak trees. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s true, that\u0026#39;s everything is built around them and our H away takes care of all of the landscaping. So everything it\u0026#39;s all uniform. It looks like a park so you don\u0026#39;t have, you know, different levels of care being taken. Everybody\u0026#39;s at the whole, the whole place looks great. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So no opportunity for status right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s exactly right and they owe that tightly deed restricted. Like you\u0026#39;re, absolutely right, Like it\u0026#39;s. You know, every house is the same brick. There\u0026#39;s approved tile, they\u0026#39;re all tile roof. You have to have a tile roof, you have to have copper flashings, you have to have this Valhalla brown as any exterior paint the windows, everything. It\u0026#39;s all you know. They started in the late 80s building in here and they\u0026#39;ve, you know, as recently as two years ago. The last, the last home was, was built in here, but there\u0026#39;s only 50 homes in here but you wouldn\u0026#39;t be able to tell. You couldn\u0026#39;t tell which ones are new and which ones are from, you know, 1980s, and that\u0026#39;s. It\u0026#39;s kind of nice, it\u0026#39;s cool, but we\u0026#39;ve had you know I say it\u0026#39;s funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou say it\u0026#39;s an interesting thought that no opportunity for status in here. Because so when I moved in here 22 years ago now 2002, I was by far the youngest person in here and thought I was would joke that 20 years from now I\u0026#39;ll be old enough to live in here. And this is a my neighborhood like. Right beside me, three of the four houses to my right were referred to at the time as Citrus Barron Row, where these guys were, all you know, in their 70s and 80s and had built the Citrus. You know they were all sort of competitors in the Citrus business in Polk County. At one time Polk County produced more Citrus than the entire state of California and so so these guys were all there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eMy neighbor across the street was the guy who started Steak and Shake, the restaurant chain, and when he died he he left $20 million to Indiana University for the Kelly School of Business Wing there, and the my neighbor who moved in there is now the own company called Colorado Boxed Beef and they are like an Omaha Steaks type of thing. So anyway, fascinating people but very like low key. You never know about any of them that they\u0026#39;re who they are, and I think that was part of the intention of the community, you know when they built the community. But it\u0026#39;s very interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s really interesting the reason I brought up the status thing, relationship to a, you know, a design community, you know just use the word design community and the first one actually was in. I think it was in New Jersey. And it was called Levittown and it was designed by a man by the name of Levitt, and that was the first design community that was where individuals could buy homes. I mean there were sort of during the industrial age, growing you know in the 1800s there was, there were company towns. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eyou know where the corporation, the company, would design all the homes and you know, they would do it on the cheap. They would do it on the cheap, and they\u0026#39;re actually. There\u0026#39;s a town outside of Chicago called Pullman. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Pullman was the cars. Oh yeah, pullman cars right. Pullman. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Pullman cars, Rail rail cars, right yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And the railways. Yeah, and that was a design company town and all the businesses were owned by the company and the only people who could live there were people who worked for the Pullman. So you\u0026#39;ve had that type of thing. You\u0026#39;ve had that type of thing, you know. You know it\u0026#39;s probably from the beginning of industrialization, hershey, Pennsylvania, kind of that way too. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, Kohler, Wisconsin yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Kohler, wisconsin. Yeah, and so the. But I think Levittown was actually. It\u0026#39;s worth it for people to look it up. It\u0026#39;s a very interesting thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I remember seeing some documentary about it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And it was huge. I mean it was huge, it was in the thousands of homes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And yeah, and then you know, the idea caught on. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, that was what, as the evolution of you know, as cars became the big thing in the highway system, you know you could have. That was where the suburbs really began. That was one of the first suburbs of Firecall. Yeah, yeah, very interesting that actually started that really started in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I read the history of the Victorian age and Great Britain which, last you know, is basically from the beginning of Queen Victoria, which was, I think, 1820s, 1830s, right up until she died and she was in for more than 60 years. And but the big thing was the expansion of the London rail system. You know it kept going further and further out and you know London Americans who have no idea of what you know a city train system looks like, because London has seven that I visited. They may have more, but they had seven major railroad stations and these are huge. These are as big as you know. They\u0026#39;re like Grand Central Station but there\u0026#39;s seven of them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then the lines go out like the, you know like the, like a clock face that go out, you know and, but they kept pushing them further and further out, and one of the big things was that you could live right on the rail system and they started building these suburban towns, not with the uniformity that you\u0026#39;re talking about with you know, with your, your community, but but that whole idea of the suburbs became a big thing, you know, and and that it changed things economically, it changed things politically, changed things culturally. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And that\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s very interesting thing. And you know and contrast that with where we have our home in Chicago, that right after the war it was sort of a factory or it\u0026#39;s right near the airport and they built all these boxes you know, and they were just streets and streets. Yeah, yeah, and they were the same. They were, you know, not big but completely uniform, and I think around that happened probably for a period of 10, 15 years, straight up till the 60s, and then the. Park Ridge, the town that I live in, passed a law that if you build the house, it couldn\u0026#39;t be. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt had to be different from the two houses on each side of you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, wow, that\u0026#39;s interesting. I wonder about that, Like the. This evolution would be an interesting, like you know, seeing the architectural journey because, if you go back to, have you ever been to Newport in in Rhode Island? Yeah, newport, rhode Island, have you ever been to see the? Vanderbilt mansions and all those things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, they were called cottages. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e They were called Newport cottages, exactly. I love that yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, they had 40 rooms, you know yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So when you look at it in a world pre-income tax and pre-antitrust all of those things- I think income tax probably made a difference. Probably. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut, you look at that, that gilded age of where opulence was the thing, that\u0026#39;s where you get all those, you know, huge mansions, in New York City even, and the whole thing. People were, they were big and there\u0026#39;s nowhere. You know, across the street from me there is a new development. So one of the Valhalla was kind of out, you know, surrounded by 350 acres that one Citrus family owned for years, right there\u0026#39;s almost a mile on Lake Eloise of Lakefront, and there was no houses on it, it was all just orange groves. And so recently, you know, a few years ago, they sold the land and now they\u0026#39;re starting to develop this neighborhood, this new, you know, giant subdivision called Harmony, and the houses they start the first phase, like in the last, in the last year, they\u0026#39;ve, you know, made quite amazing Headway on it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut damn, the houses that they\u0026#39;re building have as much character as the houses in the board game monopoly. They\u0026#39;re just little Boxes that they\u0026#39;re putting right beside each other on all of these things. And the two-story houses look like the hotels In monopoly, you know, and there\u0026#39;s no, they\u0026#39;re just boxes with windows and a two-car garage and a driveway and Zero Character. You look at the homes that were being built in the, you know, in the 20th year. They 1800s, 19, 120s. The homes were all Craftsman style homes, you know, like there was some artistry to them. Now, in every way, it\u0026#39;s really come full circle to pure Utilitarian. You know, utility, just what\u0026#39;s the? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eyeah right angles with very little, you know very little. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s really, really interesting because you know there\u0026#39;s kind of a Van vanity that goes along with the times. You know another yeah well, we do things better than people did a hundred years ago. Well it was very interesting that a hundred years ago you could go to the Sears and Roba catalog. Yeah and you could go, where you could buy a house of the and, and they would have pages and pages of different styles, and, and what you would do is you would order it you know, yeah, and you had to pay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou had to pay for it. You know you had to send a money order. You had to Western Union that you know you had to send a telegram and then the money would be secured at the other end and about five days later, by train and truck, your house kit would arrive, and then you had to engage with a local builder and the local builder would just follow the manual and would put up a house, and some of these houses were 10, 12 Room houses, you know yeah yeah, they had big porches and everything else. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then you could modify them. I mean, you could modify them, you could paint them whatever color you wanted it. There\u0026#39;s actually a town in Michigan, frankenmuth, which is sort of a German theme. It\u0026#39;s sort of one of those theme towns. You know where. It\u0026#39;s a German town, so they have a big October fest there every year and you know they have German restaurants and I suspected happened because there were a lot of German immigrants to that area of Michigan. But they have more intact lived in Sears and Roboc houses than any other community. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, wow and and. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But if you go to, you know, if you go to Google and you just put in Sears and Roboc houses images, you\u0026#39;ll see the bit, you\u0026#39;ll see all the pictures of these houses in there. It would be considered sort of lavish today, these houses, you know. But it was just you know it just arrived by train. You know it was big curtain after curtain. Everything Funny that we\u0026#39;ve kind of come. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We\u0026#39;ve kind of come full circle on that. Now. The biggest trends are, you know, pre modular manufactured manufactured homes yeah, that they deliver, and even now 3d printed homes and I think it\u0026#39;s probably gonna be a combination of that of 3d printed and Modular yeah, interior things that\u0026#39;s gonna be. But you know, you look at it, it\u0026#39;s like we\u0026#39;re still have you seen in any? I don\u0026#39;t haven\u0026#39;t followed it, but population projections for the United States over the next 50 years. Have you seen what\u0026#39;s the projection? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So they\u0026#39;re three, you know, they\u0026#39;re mid is probably, you know, and that\u0026#39;s a lot of illegal people who became legal you know, so there\u0026#39;s a ton of illegal People in the country right now right and everything. But they estimate. You know that the US is going to grow pretty much at. You know, if you look back 30 or 40 years probably, you know probably the same rate of growth to you know, one or two percent per year that population grows and but they\u0026#39;re the Peter Zion in his books and I thought about him a lot on the pre bird podcast. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, but he said that the United States still has so much land. Oh yeah not, that\u0026#39;s not settled. I mean it\u0026#39;s. You know, it\u0026#39;s geographically established. And everyone but he said the US could. This was. He was using three 330 million as the base number there and he said if you doubled the population 660 million the country wouldn\u0026#39;t feel any more crowded than it does now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s very interesting and I can attest to that for Florida in itself, yeah, but we was Hard. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e As for it is like 30 million now, I think it is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No, it\u0026#39;s on its way to 30 million in by 30. By 2030 it should be 30 million. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s 20, 24 million or something right now, but we\u0026#39;re the fastest growing. They are alternating between Texas and, but we grew last year at 1200 people a day, you know. So we\u0026#39;re growing a city the size of Orlando every year. Yeah, and there\u0026#39;s plenty of part of the reason. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Part of the reason, I think, is the retiring baby boomers. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And in other words, that I may be an anomaly, that I\u0026#39;m 80 and I\u0026#39;ll be 80 in May and I don\u0026#39;t feel the cold doesn\u0026#39;t bother me. You know, right, cold weather, but there\u0026#39;s a lot of people, you know, I mean if you have arthritis. You know the cold bothers you, you know and other things. But you know, I know I have no thought of ever and Babs would be with me here. No thought of ever living as our permanent home anywhere but Toronto right and. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut we visited, our favorite is Arizona, so we go to. Arizona a lot during the year, yeah, and. But I have no, you know, I mean there wouldn\u0026#39;t be anything under. Well, one day We\u0026#39;ll be able to go and you know they\u0026#39;ll spend. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, spend you know, six months, yeah, some warm, and that doesn\u0026#39;t really. That\u0026#39;s playing into Florida\u0026#39;s hand in that it\u0026#39;s still part of the dream for many people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOh yeah, it\u0026#39;s you know you when we were talking about guessing and betting, that you know I think that\u0026#39;s a pretty certain guess that from you know what\u0026#39;s not going to change in the next 20 years, that you know right now still we\u0026#39;re in the middle of the, the baby boom, baby boomers turning 65, there\u0026#39;s going to be 10,000 people a day turning 65 right now, which will be 2028. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e 2028 is the year when all people born during the baby boom era are now older than 65. Yeah, 2028. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so you look at that and it\u0026#39;s like in the Northeast that is almost like you know. It\u0026#39;s almost like mandatory military requirement. Back it up. This is where you get shipped to. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e This is where you get shipped to yeah, yeah, yeah and, of course, the Northeast is by far the most expensive from a government standpoint is the most expensive part of the country. Yeah regulation and taxes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I would say from New Jersey right up to the Canadian border. You know that there\u0026#39;s a movement south. I mean, obviously Florida has great attractions. You know, other than, but even economically, that your tax and regulations are way more tolerable than in the. Northeast. Yeah, you know I kid people who are from California, you know I. You know who are in the plant base. New York not so much New York, but California. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s easier to pick on New York than it is, or pick on California than it is. New York, california was the dream place. You know, you went to. California. That was the great dream, and I said so at some point. Are you thinking about moving to the United States? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s funny. Yes, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I\u0026#39;ve got a client who\u0026#39;s from Montana Bozeman, and he\u0026#39;s. I said why is Bozeman so popular? And they said it\u0026#39;s, it\u0026#39;s. It\u0026#39;s the closest place in Montana that you can be near the United States. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, it\u0026#39;s so funny, those places, there are lots of those like. We\u0026#39;ve got a client in Miami, in South Beach, and they said that\u0026#39;s the refrain, that\u0026#39;s their clients. What they like about South Beach is that it\u0026#39;s so close to America. You know, you can certainly be in it, but not of it there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat\u0026#39;s the truth, you know, yeah, yeah, I think that\u0026#39;s kind of what you know every, that\u0026#39;s what\u0026#39;s kind of buoying. You know Ron DeSantis, his, you know his polling is. You know, the only reason he\u0026#39;s even in the running is because of you know people looking at what he\u0026#39;s done for Florida. His whole campaign was make America Florida. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But that would be, you know, that would be candidate who just has had no United, no experience outside of Florida. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Absolutely Right, I think that\u0026#39;s it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Each of the states is a country and people. You know people have their. You know the whole notion that everything should be like one place. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah Right, that\u0026#39;s not it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, there were a lot of rookie mistakes that he made. You know you, yeah. The other thing is that he\u0026#39;s running up against somebody who\u0026#39;s done two complete national campaigns before this one. He\u0026#39;s a great organizer I mean President Trump is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think everybody is. I think everybody is baffled by his. I mean, it\u0026#39;s not even close the lead that Trump has over everybody else in the polling and in the you know the things. It\u0026#39;s just what a year this is going to be, you know, to see how this all plays out. Yeah, and I think some cases. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e some cases are going to, especially at the level of the Supreme Court, and one of them is, of course, the appeal to the Colorado move. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Trump can\u0026#39;t be on the ballot and I think if the justice the justices, I mean it\u0026#39;ll the Supreme Court will overturn it, but I think the justices would be smart to make it 9 to 0. Yeah, because this is and it\u0026#39;s just an interpretation of one of the amendments the 14th Amendment, and that\u0026#39;s you know, and, and they\u0026#39;re going to establish that, and then that becomes the precedent. So all the other states, like Maine or anybody else is thinking about it can\u0026#39;t do it you know, and that\u0026#39;s the role of the Supreme Court are to interpret the Constitution. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But that\u0026#39;ll be seen as a big win. And then there\u0026#39;s another one that he has where there\u0026#39;s a special prosecutor who\u0026#39;s after him and there\u0026#39;s he appealed the special prosecutor that he needed to ruling and they said, no, this is your issue, you have to go through the court system. And that was a win for Trump. And and the whole point is everybody\u0026#39;s desperately trying to get the actual trials because he\u0026#39;s been indicted in before the election. But there\u0026#39;s all sorts of ways that you can delay it into the future. You know, and anyway, so I was reading that the whole notion of January 6 and the insurrection, you know that\u0026#39;s the key issue here, that January 6. And insurrection, but none of the charges against him are mentioned. The word insurrection, you know they mentioned. You know it\u0026#39;s tax things that he hit documents with him, you know you know when he left the White House and everything like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut I don\u0026#39;t think they\u0026#39;re going to stand up to scrutiny and but everyone that he wins now is like his poll numbers go up when he\u0026#39;s indicted. His polls numbers go up when the retirement is overturned his poll, numbers go up. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But he\u0026#39;s 24 seven. The thing that the media know is that when they have anything about Trump, they get higher viewership and there\u0026#39;s more advertising dollars and so they\u0026#39;re caught because they\u0026#39;d like to take him down. But everything they do to take him down increases his poll numbers. Crazy, yeah, but it\u0026#39;s interesting. But it\u0026#39;s interesting like the. You know, my Jeff Maddoff and I did a podcast last Sunday and we were comparing the phenomenon of Taylor Swift, the phenomenon of Trump. Oh, wow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eCompletely different. You know completely different world and everything but but each of them has created a movement that people feel that they can participate in. Yeah this is. Nobody in the music industry has what she has as a movement and nobody in the political realm has what he has in the. You know it\u0026#39;s a nationwide movement. Yes that you feel you can participate in, and but it\u0026#39;s amazing to me how heavy the field is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, in terms of like, it\u0026#39;s really only Biden and Trump. There\u0026#39;s no real viable, no candidate. I mean even as much of a. You know we saw Robert Kennedy in Genius Genius network and you know they as running as an independent, which is, you know, that\u0026#39;s a non-starter and there\u0026#39;s no, that\u0026#39;s not a difficult. That\u0026#39;s not a difficult bet to guess. Even if he is a reasonable, you know it has some things and you start to see now even know there\u0026#39;s nobody coming Behind, is not even any alternatives. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know like you look at Vivek Ramaswamy and yeah, you know, although he kind of has Obama Undertones to reminds me, like as a speaker and articulator, communicator, but I don\u0026#39;t know, for me he it\u0026#39;s just the tone, that it\u0026#39;s more important to him to be right, that he was a win. The argument you know through, yeah, clever Elecution yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t know how that win the battle, but lose the war. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s what it feels like to me. Right like that is just kind of that. It just has. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s more important to him the real motivation is to prove that he\u0026#39;s smart enough, or whatever you know yeah, and you know, I mean first of all the times we\u0026#39;re in dictates whether people think that somebody\u0026#39;s viable or not. And I mean this is a time of tremendous change. I mean, it\u0026#39;s probably the Most change since the second world war. I would yeah that, the overall changes that we\u0026#39;re going, and and everything gets Shaky and unhinged just when you have a big, when you have I just looked at like last night. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It was so funny. I looked at the you know the odds Makers, the. I found a cumulative thing and it\u0026#39;s it\u0026#39;s all trump. Trump is the the Betty market. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e the bedding, yeah, the bedding market is all on trump, and that\u0026#39;s yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and the betting markets. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They were wrong with trump the first time. They you know they were they. I mean they had Hillary, like Day before the election they had heard like at 85, 90 percent, you know, yeah. So so people say yeah, yeah, but that was a fluke, that was a look and I said, yeah, but what if the candidate candidate himself, is the fluke? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, but I did. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Of all of the field. It wasn\u0026#39;t. It\u0026#39;s not like an 80 percent thing there, I think it was like 40 percent Likely, which is the top of all of the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That was against the field, including everybody including, but what you go head on head, they all have trump Biden and it\u0026#39;s like 60 versus 60 40, you know oh, wow, okay that\u0026#39;s interesting and yeah, and that\u0026#39;s what people are betting on, but that those, the betting markets, can be gained and and I\u0026#39;ll give you an example was brexit, which happened, you know, in the may, in may or june, I think of 16 before the presidential election, and the interesting thing is that debates are a big thing in Great Britain and they\u0026#39;re televised and there were 10 of them in the six months leading up to the actual vote on brexit Britain leaving the European Union and \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eand I watched them and with every debate the Leave side had all the emotional issues. The Stay side had a lot of intellectual, intellectual arguments and they were you know, they\u0026#39;re British, they\u0026#39;re very articulate. It was, you know, it was well said on both sides. But the the thing that really cracked the back against the stay side Was the european union decided, about three months before the campaign started, that they were going to regulate the electrical, electrical charge of teapots in Great Britain and everybody had to get rid of their teapot because they were using not too much. And this was coming from Brussels, you know, from the European union. You just lost it. You screw around with her because every If you have to change your tea cup, then every every day at three, three to five o\u0026#39;clock. You\u0026#39;re talking right, get out of the european. You\u0026#39;re not talking about. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You\u0026#39;re talking about the football players. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You\u0026#39;re saying let\u0026#39;s leave Britain those suckers. They can\u0026#39;t tell us, you know. So it\u0026#39;s always like the bud light. One thing in the united states I said that was a crack, that was like an earthquake you know, that you\u0026#39;re fooling around with our beer, can\u0026#39;t you know you can\u0026#39;t yeah you know, you can\u0026#39;t fool around with our beer, can\u0026#39;t I so funny you know and I think it\u0026#39;s always comes down to a gut issue very emotional that everybody gets like everybody gets they\u0026#39;re pulling around. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s like you know, when they closed down all the schools, all the states that closed down the schools for it, they didn\u0026#39;t close down the schools, they, they closed, I mean the individual schools for one reason or another. Can you know? Could you know have special reasons or anything? Else yes there wasn\u0026#39;t coming from the top. There was no really on the schools and they did enormous damage. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe now know that there was enormous damage Done to those people right at the early stage, when they\u0026#39;re starting to learn how to socialize or, you know, and I think we\u0026#39;re going to see a damaged generation, maybe two damaged generations in the future, who, you know, had too much time on their hands alone. Yeah, my, my feeling is, and it strikes me right now, that trump just has a monopoly on all the gut, emotional issues. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I agree, like you look at, it\u0026#39;s pretty amazing how Cloudlandia has really shaped the way we think about these elections, like I think, as cloudlandia has really become the primary place that the elections have. Probably you know, it seems they\u0026#39;ve become more contentious or more divide, dividing, and I don\u0026#39;t know how to clear enough Remember you know what that happened. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, no way that happened. Yeah, and there I had a really good article on this and I had to do with how the media gets its advertising dollars. Right, okay and, first of all, the media got their advertising dollars taken away. Okay, because facebook and google have 70 percent of the ad money. Now just those two companies. Yeah, okay, so a lot of the media had to turn to a Subscription model so for example, let\u0026#39;s take the new york times. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYes and you know not my, you know it\u0026#39;s not a paper that represents my political interest, but I always found it an informative paper. There were always good articles up until I would say, probably 10 years ago, okay, and and the reason was they made their money from newspapers that went to the street every day. Know that and whoever wanted to buy the new york times would buy the new york times. Yes but they were very thick papers. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe daily new york times was a paper and you know a lot of the pages. I mean 40 percent of the space was. Advertisers you know, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, what happened then? When the, the advertising dollars went away, they had to go to a subscription model and therefore they just moved to the part Of the population whose politics agreed with the new york times, and they lost everybody. His politics didn\u0026#39;t agree with the new york times. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd the same thing happened on on the other side of the political spectrum. So, for example, great bark, which is now a powerhouse On the, you know, on the internet that a strictly an internet. That\u0026#39;s strictly an internet media company. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, town hall. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, news news max town hall. These didn\u0026#39;t exist. They really didn\u0026#39;t exist. You know, 10, 15 years ago but, what people going to drift from the you know the media sources that they used to go go to because it just favored one side of the political spectrum. Look for new opportunities and these other, these other real, clear politics is another one real court pox has as emerged, and so that\u0026#39;s what polarized things was the disappearance of advertising dollars. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Or the. You know, it\u0026#39;s really interesting that you just brought something up that I thought about, that. You know the New York Times print edition, you were any. You had to get the whole newspaper and so you\u0026#39;re getting all of the things, but when you\u0026#39;re online, it\u0026#39;s all parsed out to the individual articles the clickbait and who they\u0026#39;re attracting, and then it made more sense to lean into the audience that you are attracting, right, that\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo the bias became more pronounced, I think right or evident. You couldn\u0026#39;t, on balance, balance it out in the entirety of a print edition of the newspaper, because it\u0026#39;s only individual articles and pages that are getting attracting the traffic, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s something. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so I mean there\u0026#39;s many other reasons besides that particular one. But from an economic standpoint that was the main economic reasons why polarization has happened, and you know, and it\u0026#39;s become much more subjective to the reporting has become much more. You know, they\u0026#39;re not reporting on the facts, they\u0026#39;re interpreting the facts and commentating on the facts. So you don\u0026#39;t have reporters anymore, you have commentators. You know. You know the reporters are building them the political message into the reporting of the facts. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, and I mean, for example, you can\u0026#39;t get any reporting on global, on weather you know weather, you know extreme weather without somebody interpreting as just another sign of global warming, which is, global warming is not a scientific issue, it\u0026#39;s a political issue, right, right, right, yeah, yeah, the science doesn\u0026#39;t support it. I mean, yeah, it\u0026#39;s going up, but we\u0026#39;re coming out of an ice age. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, we\u0026#39;ve been coming out of an ice age for 10,000 years, and that\u0026#39;s what I meant, that\u0026#39;s what I always fall back on that, dan, that somehow we lifted ourselves, the planet somehow lifted itself out of an ice age without the aid of combustible engines and fossil fuels. Yeah, so somehow that was the it was possible. You know it was happening before. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah where I live in Toronto. I was under about 500 feet of ice Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, right. So, the big thaw. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it takes a while, you know, for glaciers to actually, you know, and it\u0026#39;s just a gradual warming up and then there\u0026#39;s periods when it, you know it dips down. You know that you got ups and downs and you know the temperatures. You know the temperatures, you know, and there\u0026#39;s fluctuations. You know the the heat. Climate doesn\u0026#39;t actually exist. Climate is a statistical average. All the weather, like, yeah, where Valhalla, where you are, the climate in Valhalla is totally determined by 365 days of temperate. You know of weather and they\u0026#39;re just measuring it and they call that the climate. But, nobody experiences. Nobody experiences climate. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We experience weather. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, climate is just, it\u0026#39;s just an abstract term to measure. You know, all the weather in one place and climate change Even, yeah, even, in Valhalla, probably, where you, where you are, are you shaded by the oak trees? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We not particularly. I mean it\u0026#39;s, they\u0026#39;re there. No, it\u0026#39;s not. The whole house is not shaded by oak trees, but there is shade in the neighborhood, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but it\u0026#39;s really interesting that if you where you go for coffee. It might be an annual average. It might be one degree warmer where you\u0026#39;re getting your coffee than where people live. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, global warming. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, you know, it\u0026#39;s kind of like I was thinking about all these yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s like you know Deming I was sort of in rereading Deming lately and you know one of his, his, the funnel experiments, where they would, you know, move and adjust the funnel based on the last result. So it\u0026#39;s kind of, and that created the greatest variation by you know adjusting with each data point, as opposed to you know adjusting the system. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, here\u0026#39;s the thing, that one of the you know you had the polar bears as one of the symbols of global warming. Remember the polar bearer thing? This was Al Gore. He got on the. You know the polar bears, the actual, actually the population of polar bears, and there aren\u0026#39;t a lot of them, but you know, they\u0026#39;re in a particular latitude, above a certain latitude line, going or going around the world, and their populations actually increased since he started making a prediction that they would be gone right now. So they\u0026#39;ve actually increased. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut the other thing, that the other thing is really interesting are the Maldives. The Maldives about a thousand islands in a cluster in the Indian Ocean and the Maldives have been petitioning the UN that they need to get a lot of money because you know they\u0026#39;re sinking in the sea. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe average height of the islands. You know, and there\u0026#39;s, you know, there\u0026#39;s a thousand, I think there\u0026#39;s a thousand in the what\u0026#39;s called the Maldive Islands, and you know, it\u0026#39;s about two feet above sea level. So they said well, you know, in 30 years we\u0026#39;ll disappear. So we have to have massive money to redirect our population. And but actually the the geography of the Maldive Islands, maldives, has actually increased over the last 30 years. They\u0026#39;ve got now more land than you know, than they had. You know. And all of a sudden you say, well, why\u0026#39;d that happen? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWell, they said, we\u0026#39;re trying to figure out why it happened, you know, and what about the problem we\u0026#39;re? Trying to. We\u0026#39;re trying to figure out why it happened. You know which? One is that everything that we were saying before was based on ignorance. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s a good explanation. Exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but what I was going to say? I was just thinking about this the other day. When you look at every cause, you know political cause, you know whatever cause you have, it\u0026#39;s about money. Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And every movement is a money making machine. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s. It\u0026#39;s pretty cake or wrong really following the money. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It all comes down to Jerry McGuire. Show me the money. I\u0026#39;m going to explain any movement on the planet. Where\u0026#39;s the money moving? Is the money coming in or is the money going out? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it was so funny because the Israelis, I think, 10 days ago, killed, I think, the number three Hamas guy who was living in Beirut. Wow, he was worth four billion a year. You know he made like four billion a year. And they\u0026#39;ve got the top six and they said you know we\u0026#39;re going to find you and we\u0026#39;re going to. You know we\u0026#39;re going to kill you, but the top guys who don\u0026#39;t live in Gaza, they live in Qatar. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Qatar. The pronunciation is Qatar. They\u0026#39;re living in Istanbul, they\u0026#39;re living in Beirut and I bet these are nervous people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I bet yeah, yeah, could you imagine? I mean, that\u0026#39;s kind of. It\u0026#39;s an interesting. I had dinner with Leigh, or Weinstein, the other night, two nights ago, and you know we were talking. I didn\u0026#39;t realize this, but you know he said there\u0026#39;s only 15 million Jews in the world, the world, yeah, I would have thought it was way more. I mean, that seems such. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it tells you the impact of the Holocaust or the Second World. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e War yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Without the Holocaust, there\u0026#39;d be now 35 to 40 million 40 million Jews. I saw a projection once. That\u0026#39;s how devastating. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It was, yeah, at one point. Yeah, the Holocaust was probably 40% of the Jews. Which, yeah, if you implicate, I mean track that out. It\u0026#39;s just like you were saying, yeah, probably 30 or 40 million, that would have. That would have been. I mean it\u0026#39;s pretty, it\u0026#39;s crazy, and the eight of them are in Israel or whatever, right, so that\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, it\u0026#39;s not that high. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No, it wasn\u0026#39;t it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Actually Israel, just to surpass the United States, had six for the, you know it\u0026#39;s not a fast growing a population. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Israel matters. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I think they\u0026#39;re at. The Jewish population now is could be maybe seven. It\u0026#39;s on the way to seven, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, so I wasn\u0026#39;t that far off, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think New York City itself has, New York City itself has two million. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Two million. Yeah, yeah, that\u0026#39;s wild. Yeah, you know they have a lot of history, you know. I mean, you want to know about what\u0026#39;s happened to them over 3,000 years. Yeah, they\u0026#39;ve got a lot of history to talk about, you know, and what a self-granted is, and so so, anyway, yeah, it\u0026#39;s really interesting, but they\u0026#39;re not confused about who their enemies are. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Anyway, I think it\u0026#39;s meal time for you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, that is exactly right. I have wonderful. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e What are today arriving? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, today Dan today, Dan, I have the Tuscan grilled pork chops arriving today with some broccoli, it\u0026#39;s so good, it\u0026#39;s very good and so yeah, I\u0026#39;m excited this so far this has been a really good. You know, removing of discretion in the pricing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Row number one do not give Dan Dean Jackson discretion. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, exactly so. It allows, it allows rational Dean to make decisions for future team. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and I get to enjoy them and it\u0026#39;s projected into the future. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We\u0026#39;re into the future. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, which is great, and so that, just for people listening, have discovered with in collaboration with Jay Virgin, we discovered we\u0026#39;ve chosen 10 power meals for me that are available on Grun Uber eats, and, using the pre order feature, I\u0026#39;m able to establish these deliveries at 12 o\u0026#39;clock and six o\u0026#39;clock and so bookend my days with these pre healthy meals. So so far, so good. Personal wisdom, yes, fantastic. So stay tuned. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, anyway, this was really good and this is about weather and location and dwellings. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And very interesting discussion. I love it. Well, have a great day, dan. A week, great week in Chicago, and then are we on for next week. Yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m back in Toronto next week. Okay great, I can try. Yeah, all right. Okay good Thanks, bye, bye, okay. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In today's episode of \"Welcome to Cloudlandia\", Dan and I discuss the unexpected cold weather that recently swept through Florida and Ontario. We talk about how the weather can affect our moods and the emotional connection between climate and architecture. We share personal stories about winters and pay tribute to oak trees that stand steadfast throughout the seasons.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nWe also consider community planning and how neighborhoods can either embrace nature or ignore natural elements. Additionally, we explore innovative housing, such as modular and 3D-printed designs, while considering ideas on population growth. The future of shelter looks promising.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nFinally, we wrap up by examining the impact of advertising on media polarization and the changing news landscape.","date_published":"2024-01-31T08:30:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/bfa51ef9-02af-49a2-9f28-cfeddb819f06.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":38100129,"duration_in_seconds":3172}]},{"id":"e0cd92d4-4af0-4570-84af-9f9abf63863e","title":"Ep117:Observations on Perception","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/117","content_text":"In today's episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we take you on a journey through history and our complex relationship with time and its perception. \n\nWe discuss hidden economic forces that shaped pivotal history and debate if we live in the \"best or worst of times.\" I share my experience with breaking free from television, only to be pulled back by sporting thrills and gripping shows, a reminder of how addictive media can be.\n\nAs we wrap up our discussion, we reflect on exciting developments on the horizon. We celebrate entrepreneurs who have adapted their businesses to thrive online.\n\n\u0026amp;nbsp\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\nDean talks about time perception and the fascination with having foreknowledge of events, particularly in the context of financial markets and the desire to possess tomorrow's news today.\nWe explore the human ability to adapt to a wide range of temperatures, humorously comparing our ancestors' robust survival skills to modern reactions to climate change.\nDean reflects on the concept of whether we are living in the best or worst of times, citing both the remarkable conveniences of modern life and the psychological challenges posed by the battle for our attention.\nPersonal anecdotes include Dean's success in abstaining from watching television for over five years, despite being tempted by his loyalty to sports teams and the immersive experience of a Netflix binge.\nThere's a discussion about the skepticism surrounding medical advancements and the difficulty in discerning credible health information in an era of conflicting opinions.\nWe examine the impact of technology on spontaneity and control in our lives, touching on smart devices and drawing a parallel to the controlling nature of HAL 9000 from \"2001: A Space Odyssey\".\nDan shares insights on entrepreneurship, reflecting on the adaptability required to thrive in the digital age, such as the growth of his coaching program and the shift from in-person workshops to online formats.\nWe delve into the process of book production, noting the importance of releasing work to make room for new ideas and discussing technological advancements that have expedited the process.\nDean talks about integrating AI chat into books to allow readers to interact with content and contemplates whether AI could help guide readers through material by asking questions.\nCoordination for an upcoming trip to Chicago is mentioned, where Albie will be joining Dean and Dan, indicating excitement for the visit and the promise of future stimulating discussions.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean: Mr Sullivan. \n\nDan: I'm almost tapping in here. \n\nDean: Almost. That's exactly right as close as you can get without going over. We're you know we're going to be 12 hours away from it here, it's all very exciting. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, we were talking to Kim Daniel. He now calls himself. Daniel White and he phoned us from birth Australia from the future from the future from the future. So they're already. They're already into New Year's yeah, that's so funny. What a weird world, what a world for a world, you know. \n\nDean: I saw an infographic that there's an island. There's two islands up where Russia and Alaska joined. They're separated by three miles. You can see the other island. I like it once called tomorrow Island or something. What the American side is. You know 24 hours difference because it's right after the straddle the line divides them is the international date line. So they're three miles away, and yet they're 24 hours apart. Yeah that's really interesting. \n\nDan: You know people often have these quizzes. You know it's either you're reading the quizzes or you're being asked the quiz. \n\nYeah, and it's. \n\nDan: if you had one superpower, what would it be? Have you ever had anything like that, so many? I have you know I think about or you were you were a witness to this question being asked. And mine is that I would like to have tomorrow morning's Wall Street Journal yesterday. \n\nYeah, exactly Exactly. How great would that be, that could be. \n\nDean: The thing is literally what you should. That could be a loophole, Dan. Maybe we should go to these islands and subscribe to the Wall Street Journal on tomorrow Island. \n\nOh man. \n\nDan: Now take a bit of work. I mean, you still have to learn what to look for, and you know you'd have to have the means by which you could, and but that just reminds me. I think everybody would like to have that superpower. \n\nDean: They would like to have advanced understanding of the future Well you know what's so funny is one of the things that I wanted to talk about today, because it's, you know, explore. This idea is because I ranked it up there as one of the top concepts of the year for me, and that is guessing and betting, and essentially, what you're saying is it's absolutely true. The reason that would be so valuable is that it would bring certainty. \n\nIf you look tomorrow and see what the closing stock price of a any stock was today. If you knew that in advance, that it starts out at X and it's going to be X plus. Y at the end of the day, you're betting with certainty, and that's a pretty interesting. That's what I really thought about the that concept, and I'd love to hear a little more, because well, I think it's, I think it's been. \n\nDan: It's a thought that's been in the human brain since the first humans. \n\nDean: Yeah, I agree, you think that not knowing, I wonder where. I wonder how would that have manifested itself then in the beginning? Knowing where, the, I guess what would it be? Knowing where, the where the food is going to be, or something. \n\nDan: Well, I think, you know, I think probably it manifested itself in the first days of people just noticing the weather, you know, like wherever they were, that you know, that. I mean I think they probably, if you did Colby's back then, like a Colby profile that that the earliest humans really varied in terms of you know what they were skillful at and what they focused on Okay. And. But my sense is that there were some people who were more conceptual, who could notice patterns better than others. \n\nAnd they could make sort of predictions which you know as it regard weatherers. That regarded, the wildlife around them or the you know. The you know availability of food. They would immediately go to the top of authority and in whatever group they were, because they just had a sense of what was going on and a better sense of tomorrow than anybody else did. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's really yeah must have freaked, I mean, imagine, not knowing with. I guess the first certainty would be well, even though the sun went away, it's going to come back up again, Yep, and then getting that certainty that, okay, there it is. And wait a minute, it's colder this time of year than what's all this white stuff. I subscribe to the Gary Halbert philosophy. He had a saying that God gave us a sign by planting palm trees in all the places that were suitable for human habitation. So if you wake up and you don't see any palm trees, keep bending south. That's his philosophy. \n\nIf you see palm trees. \n\nDean: You know you're in the right place. \n\nYeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, and then you know you, it's very interesting. Everybody worries about global warming or they are making large amounts of money warning about global warming. I think that's more of a ladder than it is that they're actually worried. I think they've discovered a new way to make money? Yeah, but but if you think of the variations in temperature that humans can deal with, okay. So, for example, in North Africa, in the Sahara, people go about their business when it's 120 degrees up, 120 or plus, you know, in the Sahara. \n\nAnd at the same time there I've been in Alberta in Canada, when it was 44 below and everybody went about their business. \n\nSpeaker 3 Yeah, so that's a difference, that's a difference. \n\nDan: Fahrenheit wise, that's a difference of 164 degrees Okay. And humans at one end, people are going about their business. That's the other. They're going about their business and they're freaking out about a one degree change, one or two degree change. And I said I mean, who of us doesn't go through that, even you know, in idyllic spots like where you live? Yeah, there's still a variation of 20 to 25, maybe 30 degrees during here, right, Right. \n\nDean: Yeah, no, it's been. It's been a little cold here Like I. Literally, I almost had to wear socks with my shorts today, dan, it's that's how chilly it was, wow, yeah. \n\nYeah. \n\nDean: And I have a hoodie on Wow. Just to stay one because I'm committed. I'm still sitting out in the courtyard have you done trauma? \n\nDan: Have you done trauma therapy on this? \n\nDean: No, you know, the funny thing about I mean, what they call the whole climate change is, you know, if we look back, it's a fact, scientifically accepted, that we were in an ice age at one point and somehow, without the aid of fossil fuels and combustible engines, the earth warmed itself out of an ice age. And now we're having a nervous breakdown that we're gonna, because of combustible engines, throw the whole thing off into. \n\nDan: I don't know, it's just See as an entrepreneur talking to an entrepreneur. That proves to me that there's money to be made in nervous breakdowns. \n\nDean: Give people nervous breakdowns. That's the thing, yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: You know, it's like the Jerry McGuire movie. Remember Jerry McGuire movie. \n\nDean: I do. That's a great movie. Where's the? \n\nDan: money. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: Show me the money. Show me the money, show me the money. And I think that when you're trying to analyze any event on the planet which is being interpreted in economic, political well, not economic but political, philosophical terms, I say I think your first question has to be okay, who's making the money? \n\nhere yeah right. \n\nDean: That's absolutely true, absolutely true, and it's gonna be. Yeah, I think that you know I was sharing a couple of weeks ago the idea of my contemplation on whether this is the best of times or the worst of times. \n\nDan: And the answer is yeah. \n\nDean: That's exactly right. But what I realized is that there's, in terms of every physical measurement, every convenience, access to information, democratization of virtually everything. It's the very best of times. There's never been a better time than now, and on the worst, the best things that I could come up with are the most, you know, the things that would qualify as making it the worst of times, where all the battle for our minds and it's that creating those there's a lot to fixate on. You know that really has nothing to do with us in. You know, in reality, like when it's all mental, the inner game is really the battle, for Dean Landia is strong, you know. \n\nDan: Yeah, I think it's true, and just to bring you know the latest update, I'm now in my Almost six, five and a half years of not watching television. \n\nDean: I know I thought like amazing. \n\nDan: Yeah, and, but this was sort of the test for me this fall, because I'm from Cleveland originally and. I have the normal sports loyalties. Like I rude right, you know, I root for the teams I rooted for when I was eight years old and the Cleveland Browns are having a really quite an extraordinary season as the result of a 38 year old quarterback. Yeah, I've heard his name Joe Flack, oh, oh. \n\nWho was sitting on a. Who is sitting on a couch Watching television or lying on a couch? Six weeks ago, when Cleveland went to their third quarterback of the year, went down and they brought him in. And he's been easily the best quarterback in the league over the last four or five years. Yeah and Just, I mean he's. Here's the Hollywood ending that they go to the Super Bowl and this guy comes off the coach and wins the Super Bowl. That's a great. \n\nDean: Yeah, it's the Kurt Warner story right. \n\nDan: Oh yeah yeah, this is even more because Kurt Warner was about 31 or 32, yeah, when it happened, but this guy's 38. He's he played 16 years and nobody wanted in this year. So it's just got all the makings of a great just a terrific Hollywood script you know, and. But ask me how much? What? How many minutes of Watching the Cleveland Browns this fall have I done? \n\nDean: well, you told me your secret Was that you watch the YouTube summary of the game. \n\nDan: Well, first of all, I watch whether they won or lost right, okay, perfect yes. If they lost, I don't watch the summary if they win. I watched the video. \n\nAnd what I've discovered I? \n\nDan: what I've discovered is that no football game has more than 10 minutes of actual highlights. \n\nSpeaker 3 Right. \n\nDan: Yeah, and then? The one I like the best is where they just show your team's highlights when they want, which is about five minutes. \n\nYeah right right, right. \n\nDan: So rabbit pan. First game was 97 Jim Brown, olive fame and perhaps the greatest running back of all time. It was his rookie season and he broke the one game rushing record Day for touchdowns 200, 200 plus some yards. That was my first and I was addicted. It was like drugs, right. You know, you don't you give the first sample away free, and then the drugs do the selling for the rest of my life. Yeah and so anyway. But, tempted as I may be, this fall I did not watch a minute of television. \n\nDean: Wow, that's great, and you know I'm watching the. \n\nDan: I'm not watching the highlights TV, as a matter of fact, I'm looking at the TV. It's across the room for me. \n\nAnd. \n\nDan: I don't even know where, I don't even know how you turn it on, oh, boy. Fantastic. It's like the Dark Ages. I've lost abilities that the Romans said. You know the whole. \n\nDean: You know, on the other side of that spectrum is Yesterday. I had two amazing things happen. So yesterday I Got up and I got coffee, and sometimes what I'll do is I, like Jerry Seinfeld had a series called comedians in cars getting coffee and it's just a fun. \n\nYou know they're 10 minute episodes, 10 12 minutes kind of thing. I think I'm someone in, so I sometimes I'm having like coffee, I'll sit there and I'll watch a comedians in cars getting coffee, and so I turned on Netflix to do that. And Netflix has this thing of pushing to your home screen, you know, through your algorithm or whatever, the thing that would be the most interesting to you, probably. And there was a series called money heist, which was a big thing. \n\nYou know, in 2020, when we were all in Lockdown based, this money heist series came on and everybody got, you know, fully addicted to it. It was really well done. It was just from Spain and it was Dubbed with English voices, but really well done. So, in any event, the third installment of this money heist series was front and center on my Netflix home screen yesterday and I Ended up no, this was Friday, sorry, I ended up watching the whole series on that Friday and the funniest thing, dan, is that I, for the entire day, thought it was Saturday and I didn't realize until the end of the day that I got an extra day. \n\nDo you have those things where in the holidays the days just kind of blend all together? Because I haven't had. \n\nOr anything you know and the way you do that, in the way you do. \n\nDan: We each, we all have our own approaches, you know, right on that was so. \n\nDean: That was the funniest thing. I watched the entire series of Fantastic and, but it felt like I just borrowed from my leap year day. \n\nDan: Something got that day. Now I'm thinking got. \n\nDean: I said something got heisted. That's exactly right. \n\nDan: That is exactly right. Well, you know, everybody makes a big deal about this today, but I don't think it was any different. Everybody wants to make Case that the world and humanity has never experienced before, of what we're experiencing to work, and I resist that thought. And I say well, first of all, we don't know, do we? I mean we? I mean we don't know what was going on in the world when we were five or six years old, you know, I mean yeah. \n\nI mean, we were just struggling together handle on walking and running and Everything else. But people make all these things like Something like this has never happened before in human history and I yeah. I said first of all, vast majority of people haven't got a clue what happened 10 years ago so you know. I mean and you know some of some people it's last week and. Anyway, and I said actually probably, we all want to believe that our own age is something special. \n\nAnd I said okay, well, that's something to remember that regardless of what age you're in, people want to believe that it's sort of special. Okay, and I get that, but my sense is it's always been special. One it's always been special, or two it's never been special. And but if you go back, and If you go back and read the thinking of people, where we actually have the documents Greek 2500 years ago, totally understandable, translated and Very thoughtful and you could learn a lot from these guys. \n\nOkay so so are there people smarter today than our Air stock? I don't know, because I'm not sure how you would compare a smartness over in 2500 years. \n\nDean: Well, I mean, I think you can point to certain things. I mean you can point to Even just in. Let's just take medicine. You've just returned from your second trip to Buenos Aires to get stem, stem cells for generating cartilage in your knees Right and others and others. \n\nDan: So it's turning into. It's turning into repair and also prevention. So they're now doing proactive stuff for you know your brain and your vascular system and everything. \n\nDean: Oh, I remember. Yeah, so you know. I remember walking in Regents Park in London with Jamie Smart. We were walking around and he was telling me, you know he had written his new book at the time Clarity was out and he was saying how, in the 18, people thought that bad smells cause disease and so people would walk around with posies and fragrant things to ward off disease. And turns out that it was germs that caused this disease. \n\nAnd so when you think about, you know, 2,500 years ago, advancements in medicine, you know we were, I mean, leaching and you know bloodletting and all of these sort of you know superstitious things I think were happening and they were thinking that some diseases were demonic possession. You know that's really what was going on, that bring people had seizure, that they were possessed by the devil or by demons. And so now you fast forward to today and we have DNA that with certainty can point to what your genetic predispositions are, and stem cell, you know, can go in and repair or modify those things. \n\nI don't know. \n\nDean: I mean, I think that we are, I think, life expectancy. So I think in many ways we're constantly ratcheting forward society, right, and I think, with now access to you know it used to be. If you just take even 50 years ago, you know it used to be that all of the research and development and advancements in medicine were all done in silos, where you know proximity to those people or you know had to be around. And now we're at a point where every advancement that's documented and available is, you know, instantly analyzable by artificial intelligence and machine learning. So we have access to not just our own thinking but the analysis and you know computation skills or whatever, to everything to the hive mind. You know. I think that's really what we've evolved to. Is that you know it's not individual thinkers who you had to. 2,500 years ago you had to be in at the Agora to listen to Aristotle talk, to get the wisdom of Aristotle, or somebody had a scroll that had written down something that he said. You know Now it's like everything I don't know. \n\nIt's such amazing things that we have access to everything that's ever been said and can project forward in the style of what Aristotle would say today about certain situations. Like you told me, your story of having something interpreted and written as Shakespeare would write it in the Iambic pandemic right, and so I don't I mean, it's like in certain things any argument that today is not a pinnacle of achievement or Well yeah, I think we I've been, you know, pondering over the years what constitutes smart, because it's very clear to me that you can find examples of people thousands of years ago. \n\nYeah. \n\nDan: If the person were in the room and you could understand the language they were speaking they would strike you as being very smart. \n\nSpeaker 3 Yes. \n\nDan: Okay, and the couple of weeks ago in Congress we had three presidents of prestigious universities who, over a period of about 15 minutes, indicated that they're not very smart Harvard, mit and Penn, okay. And they were asked a fairly simple question Would anything happening on your campus in advocating genocide to Jews, with that constitutive violation of code of conduct? And they couldn't answer the question. Somebody 2,500 years ago could answer the question. So my sense is it's kind of like you're as smart as who you hang out with. \n\nYeah. \n\nDan: And you're as smart as your ability to deal with the your own unknown factors, like we all have unknown factors, and so my sense is that intelligence and smartness has to do with your creative response, or your either creative or reactive response to kind of the conditions that you're living in. You know. \n\nYou know, and, for example, it's pretty well known now that the people of the South Pacific pledged all over just understanding the color of waves. They could see that there were different variations in the color of the water sea water and they could make predictions based on that. I doubt if there's any human beings today who can do that. \n\nYeah, but I wonder yeah, I mean that's so the thing that I'm saying, I think that human intelligence is kind of a constant and you know, people in the earliest humans were kind of smart in relationship to their circumstances and we probably couldn't survive for a day what they could survive for a year, you know, because we didn't have their knowledge and experience. So I think we have access to great medical breakthroughs right now, but I haven't met a regular doctor yet that knows any of those breakers. \n\nDean: Right? Well, because there's a whole. \n\nDan: I just use my general. I just use my general practitioners for drugs drug dealers. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: Good drug dealers. \n\nDean: Yeah, but there's a whole. You know there's a whole, especially in these medical things. There's a lot of. That's one of these nervous breakdown things that there's a whole lot of. For every advancement or every miracle cure or protocol, there's someone, there's a vocal and official sounding opposition to it. \n\nYep. \n\nDean: It's really. This is where it's really difficult. \n\nDan: You can count on that. Is to discern what the yeah, because somebody's pension is at stake, somebody's reputation is at stake, somebody's livelihood is at stake because of something new, because of something new Because they stopped growing 20 years ago and they've been on autopilot and suddenly they've been interrupted. Something new what we've? \n\nDean: got to stop. Is you look at something as devices, as vaccines? That's been the. You know the number one kind of contention in the last four years is the whole. You know the on both sides. You know it's either is it a miracle or is it killing you Is. You know and you don't know the normal answer. \n\nDan: The answer is yes, and the answer is yes. \n\nDean: Yeah, I mean it's so funny. But true, right Like so. \n\nDan: I mean the whole thing, that there was some wisdom, that they had before COVID, which they disregarded. One is that what you have to do is go for the 65-year-olds and older and protect them. \n\nYeah. \n\nDan: Protect the humans that are over 65. That's because there's a likelihood they've got a lot of other conditions that this will put them over the edge. This new thing will put them over the edge. Okay, no they want to start at six months old, they want to start at a year old, you know. \n\nYeah. \n\nDan: I mean, the masks were bigger than the child's head, you know Right, and everything like that. It had nothing to do with medicine. It had nothing to do. It had a lot to do with control. Yes, yes, and I don't know if we've learned anything about vaccines over the last four years, but a large portion of the public has learned not to trust healthcare experts. \n\nPublic Right, especially public healthcare, that's what we've learned. Yeah, I mean, that's what we've learned Exactly. \n\nDan: Yeah, like, don't go to the water hole at sunrise or sunset, right? Yeah, I mean, that's the truth. \n\nDean: Right. \n\nDan: I mean creditors show up for easy eating. Yes, you know. So my sense is a lot has been learned over the last four years, but I don't think it had anything to do with vaccines. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, I agree, and that's, I think, from the you know, for the general public, for people you know observing this, it really creates the sense of you know, nervous, breakdown level things, of you know that there it feels like you're there's no right answer, that it's wrong. You know that you're either COVID's going to get you or the vaccine's going to get you and you can't make the right decision. People are not there's no uncertainty in the decision. \n\nDan: Are your Tesla is going to explode. \n\nRight, exactly, or they're going to you know, and there's the thing, right. \n\nDean: That's all part of it. That's what your Tesla is going to be shut down. You know that the government's going to control. Yeah, I mean, there's so much, yeah, I love this. \n\nDan: You know, I mean I'm not. Babs loves her Tesla and she has the same model you do, and she's had it for six years and she loves it and I love Babs, so it works. But I really liked my Beamer. I really liked the Beamer we had before. \n\nDean: You know what? \n\nDan: It didn't get any smarter in the garage overnight. And when the car goes into the garage when the car goes into the garage before dark and we close the door. I don't want a smarter car. When I pick up the phone, oh my goodness. \n\nDean: You know, what's so funny is I think it's so presumptuous, so fun. I wake up, I get in the car and it tells me it's nine minutes to Haven Bakery, haven Cafe. It's like telling me that. Or at Honeycomb Cafe, it's telling me nine minutes, traffic is okay. It's presuming where I'm going. \n\nDan: Well, why can't you just take a chance? I wonder how the traffic is going to be this morning. To see that there's a pleasure has been taken away from me. \n\nYeah yeah. \n\nDean: It's so funny, right? I don't have any, you've got certainty and I just push the button and let it drive me there. So that's the greatest thing you know. It's so funny. \n\nDan: Yeah it's like you know it's 2001,. Stanley Kubrick's movie. What was the astronauts name? I forget, but that Hal was talking to us. What do you think you're doing? Was it Doug? Or I'm trying to think he's. \n\nHal Dave. \n\nDan: Yeah, hal was the computer you know yeah. Which is just IBM. You know, if you take IBM backwards, you come up with Hal, but anyway, and it's saying what do you think you're doing, dave? \n\nYou know, like that. \n\nDan: It's nine minutes to the coffee show, Dave. \n\nDean: Right. Why are you turning left? \n\nSpeaker 3 Yeah, yeah, why are you? \n\nDan: even wondering Goodness, that is funny though that your car. \n\nDean: You wake up and your car is smarter it was. Oh man. \n\nDan: Oh, you said it at the beginning. You said it was the beginning. Dean, that's all a fight and competition for your brain, that's what it is. \n\nDean: It's the absolute truth you know, and I think that you, you know, I think you've cut off the good portion of that access to your brain by removing yourself from programming television and you're becoming the program director. \n\nDan: Well, think about this as an entrepreneur, that if you want to know the distinction between an entrepreneur, and a non-entrepreneur you know and I think about this a lot because I've been at it for 50 years right now, and I've asked that question a lot, you know. Do you think entrepreneurs are born? And I said well that I couldn't attest to it. \n\nYes, they were born, but you know, or you know, is it learned? And I said well, I don't know the answer to that question, but I would say that the entrepreneurs I know were on a path that was decidedly different, probably before they were 10 years old. They weren't going along with the crowd, they were. \n\nthey were doing something individual, kind of on their own because, they were very curious about something, and most people who aren't entrepreneurs were more socially addicted. You know what did the group think and what they had, but if you think about that, you're a self programmer. The big thing about entrepreneurs is that we're self programmers, in other words, we program the next day, we program the next week, we program. You know, here we are on New Year's Eve and both of us are programming the next year and it really doesn't have to do with anybody else's programming. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's the greatest thing. This is going to be a big 2024, it's going to be a big year. I mean you're about, you're going to turn 80 in. \n\nDan: May, yeah, and it's 50 years coaching 50 years coaching since and the company. The program is 35 years old, so yeah, they're at 35th and yeah, I mean, yeah, they all three of them happened this year, but but I mean we just came off our best year ever. I mean just in terms of you know new people into the program and everything else. \n\nYeah, we hit 52, which was great. 952 new people in the program that's awesome, and except for two presentations, I didn't have anything to do with that. That's a real, that's a real good measurement for me. \n\nDean: Yeah, for sure. And now this year, this will be your first year with only free zone workshops. \n\nDan: No that was. \n\nDean: This was your first year. \n\nDan: Yeah, this I stopped, I stopped. I'm just trying to take one. Did that Cross over? \n\nThat's what I'm wondering, yeah. \n\nDan: No, it was January of last year, January. \n\nDean: Okay, so this year was yeah, I've gotten a full year full year with only free zone. \n\nDan: Yeah, right, and you know, really caused a lot of tension for a lot of people in the company and everything else and I said, well, it's going to happen sometime. Why don't we just make it happen right now? \n\nYeah. \n\nDan: And you know there was pushback and you know the usual sort of thing. But my way of creating change is just to create a vacuum. Yeah, right, something's going to fill it. \n\nSpeaker 3 Throw your hat over the fence. Yeah. \n\nDan: So I announced in the middle of just trying to take care. I announced in the middle of 2021. So it was June of 2021. At the end of 22, I'm not going to do any more 10 times workshops. \n\nRight, yeah, I remember. \n\nDan: People said, well, how are we going to do this? And I said my security clearance doesn't go that high, I just have no idea. I just know that after the end of next year I'm not going to do any 10 times workshops. Okay, and. I've done this enough in the past. People and Babs and I had already worked this out, so that wasn't Babs and I are saying that something's going to happen. Well, that's not negotiable. \n\nDean: Right, yeah, that's awesome. \n\nDan: But we have five coaches, who you know, who had to jump to the next level, and they did a good job and the renewals are more or less the same as if I was doing the workshops at the end of the first year, pointing off here, pointing out there. So you know, and you know, and I think we had 180 people who moved from the signature level to the end times. So that was great. \n\nDean: Oh, I didn't have a. \n\nDan: I didn't have anything to do with that, and the more things that can happen in the company that I don't do or don't even know about, the better I feel. \n\nSpeaker 3 Yes, yes, that's yeah that's pretty exciting, I'm talking about. I'm talking about. Yeah, no, I bet it. \n\nDean: I'm sure any dip in the you know 10 times conversions or whatever was offset by people in 10 times who want to stay with Dan moving up to freedom. Imagine that was offset by that. Yeah. \n\nDan: Well, it pushes. It pushes both ways. But the one thing that we realized, that I hadn't thought of that. Really worked out great, and it's only because of COVID. It's the two hour. \n\nZoom workshops, yeah, so every quarter. \n\nDan: I do six two hour 10 times workshops and I do two hour free zone workshops and that little two hour thing, which was only possible because of COVID Nobody, nobody watched Zoom before. Covid has made a world of difference. It's made a world of difference. So I was only going to do that for a year and now I'm going to. I've extended it to the end of 24. \n\nAnd I like that yeah. \n\nDan: But I like it, I like it and everybody else likes it, and it seems to work. But I don't think that would have ever happened if I hadn't just said no more full day in-person workshops. \n\nDean: Right, yeah, that's fantastic, so you're coming up now. This is interesting, then the when did your quarterly book? Did that start on your birthday? That was the end of the end of 2014. \n\nDan: So next December it'll be book 40. \n\nDean: Right, okay, there you go. And we're just curious about your intention and your plan for your 80s being the best decades. \n\nDan: Well, I'll do 40 more books because I'm not to 100 yet. So, and they're getting better. I mean, I can tell the feedback from our longtime clients. They said you know the books are really, they're really getting more interesting. They're not just program tools that you're explaining, you're doing right, doing all sorts of different things, but the insight I had, dean, was that a lot of people spend years, even decades, on books Okay, which, yeah, aren't finished, which aren't finished, right, and they they maybe have 20 or 30 chapters and each of the chapters are kind of interesting, not equal to each other but their interest. \n\nI said, why don't you just take one of the chapters and turn it out as a book? And of course you and I went through the early days when you could do this quickly, when you had the 90 minute book idea and are continuing to do that. And then I think it was who was it that came up with they could turn a book around in a week for you if you just send it in for them. Who is that Amazon? Is it Amazon? \n\nYeah, I think it's Amazon Exactly. \n\nDan: Yeah, amazon yeah, and we use. \n\nDean: yeah, I mean it's yeah. \n\nDan: And yeah, and perfectly good, you know, perfectly useful, and but we've got our own. You know print shops here in Toronto and it's a lot cheaper than in the US. We found out that a point to realize for you living in the States that getting a book printed in Toronto is about 40% cheaper than getting a book printed in Chicago, dollar for dollar. You know Canadian dollar. \n\nDean: Wow, Even after the exchange rate right. \n\nYeah, yeah. \n\nDean: After the exchange rate yeah, yeah, you're, yeah. \n\nThe other thing is yeah, my head. \n\nDean: You know it's not a unique. You have a one of one style of book. That everything about it, from the double cover to the thickness of the color cover, to the paper stock on the inside and the color scheme, and you know it's one of one. There's no, there's nothing else like it. \n\nDan: Yeah, and I've told people you know you're sitting on books. I mean you're always talking about writing the book. But where's the book? You know, why don't you just get the book finished? And they said well, you know, you know. I said I said you're thinking about it too much, you're not executed. I said just get the book out there. I said it's not going to change the world, it's not going to be a bestseller, they're not going to make a Hollywood movie out of it. So Right. \n\nAnd what it does is it gets some old ideas in your head out so that you can have some new ideas. \n\nDean: Yeah, the truth isn't it. Yeah, I mean, that's kind of what a collection to going all the way back to book number one and then to book, you know, whatever you're at now I'm working on 7 right now. \n\nYeah, yeah. \n\nDan: Well, I get a lot out of it and of course we've got great teamwork inside the company when we started with your team actually the first one. \n\nDean: I remember the first couple Thinking about your thinking that was the first book. \n\nDan: And then you know, some of our team members said well, we could do this, and we could do this, and we could do this. And I said that's great. Plus, the technology just keeps improving. I mean, if you think I started that in. Where's the technology today compared to where? \n\nit was in 2014,. \n\nDan: You know. \n\nYeah, yes. \n\nDan: So my cartoonist Hamish McDonald. I estimate that every year I get the productivity capability of another Hamish just because of the upgrades to software and hardware. \n\nDean: To the tools he's able to use and deploy. \n\nDan: Oh. \n\nDean: Yeah, oh yeah. \n\nDan: I mean, like I'll, we're right at the end of the book I'm working on. So we're just working on the conclusion and the program where we describe strategic coach. Those are the last two sections. So on Tuesday I'll sit down and we'll sketch out what the cartoon is going to be for the conclusion. I've got the outline, with the outline copy all done, so we can read it. \n\nYeah. \n\nDan: And we'll sketch it out and we'll have another meeting on Thursday and he'll be 90% finished Full color. \n\nYeah. \n\nDan: And we do a little tweaks and then in the last 10 minutes we say well, let's look at the next section and he'll sketch it out, and on Monday of the following week he'll be finished with the cartoon. Book one that was a 10 day process for. That was a 10 day process for one sections cartoons. \n\nDean: Right, well, it's wild. And now I guess you know I mean book 36,. You've got all of the ear. You've evolved it into all of the ways to consume. Now you know that you've got the cartoons and the audio and the video. \n\nDan: Yeah, so we're going to do one new thing that Dean and we could talk about this. We're going to do one new thing, probably the first quarter. I'm going to take one of the books and we're just got it down to choice of three and we're going to create an AI chat on just that book. Okay, so the entire knowledge base will just be the words that are in that particular book. And then we'll use, and Leor Weinstein is helping us with this. \n\nDean: And then. \n\nDan: So in addition to the audio, the video, the cartoons, the text, you'll also get the AI and you can ask the book questions and it'll answer you. \n\nDean: Do you think, dan, this is? I've had this in this conversation. Maybe we could have a whole discussion around this, but because I you know this is a very real capability of AI right now, but I think that there's. I would rather have the AI ask me questions and guide me through the process than me having to ask the questions. Yeah because that requires me having included yeah it requires work. \n\nYes, that's exactly right. We're inquiring, you and I, how that's exactly right, and I would much rather I would love to have an AI coach me through applying this to me. \n\nSo it was hey that hey, hey, hey yeah. \n\nDan: Well, I think you should go get in the car and take a 15 minute, 15 minute drive to the car. \n\nDean: I think that's not you know, because somebody else. No, no, no that's brilliant. \n\nDan: That's brilliant. Let's talk about that. Yeah because somebody else that actually indicates some intelligence, doesn't it? \n\nDean: Yes, but the thing is that you know that application where, if I could go through a track, it's like a guided thing. If you could train the AI as a coach in this to guide somebody through where they're at and how this would apply to them, like somebody had, because somebody was training up a Napoleon Hill that you could chat with Napoleon Hill and you could ask him any questions. And I just realized that much better experience. \n\nDan: You could have one from Jerry Spence. Yes. \n\nDean: How great would that be right, Jerry Spence coaching. \n\nDan: Well, he would ask you all sorts of adverts questions before you know that's, that's his book is great, by the way, you put me on to him. Yes, you know more or less his autobiography. But nice person, I mean he comes across. I mean probably a prick if he was the opposing lawyer in a trial, but he seems like, if you had him on your side, you'd feel good about him. \n\nDean: That's exactly true. I need to reread that again. That how to argue and win every time is one of my top wisdom books. \n\nDan: Yeah, Anyway what did we cover today? What are two or three things that we covered today? \n\nDean: So follow the money, follow the money. \n\nDan: Yeah, we found out about what the Hamas is about. All the money was in Kedr, you know the country of. Kedr. The three top people were worth 6 billion, 5 billion and 4 billion. So that's what Hamas is all about is about money, you know, and their racket. \n\nDean: That's amazing. \n\nDan: Anyway, yeah, but okay, follow the money. What's in the other thing? \n\nDean: Yeah, I think your strategy. It's always amazed me this last five years of your disconnecting from programming. \n\nDan: Yeah other people's programming. \n\nDean: Other people's programming. \n\nYeah. \n\nDean: I think that's a big thing. One thing we did not get to talk about that I want to maybe present next time is I watched another Russell Barclay video and they're talking about executive function and the. It's really an interesting distinction but the difference between you know what and how, knowing what and how is not effective. That the ADHD brain is not. It's not inhibited in the knowing what and how to do. It's the when and the where. That is where executive function comes in and I found that that's absolutely the truth in a real. It sounds so simple and obvious, but it's the absolute truth. That's the thing about you know. Imagine if you applied yourself. Applying yourself is only evidence in the when and the where, both where, when and where. Future and when and where is this going to happen and when and where did it happen? You know what actually happened. \n\nThat's the an often those don't align. I find for me that's the biggest. That's the biggest disconnect is knowing what I want to do, knowing what you know, how it needs to happen, even projecting when and where, but the alignment of you know missing the exit kind of be interesting with the intention. \n\nDan: That'd be an interesting question, yeah because, the appropriateness of things is really not the what or the how the appropriateness is really the when and where it makes appropriate or inappropriate, you know yeah. Yeah, great topic. \n\nDean: Yeah, how about for you? What was your take away from today? \n\nDan: Yeah, I think that the big thing that I'm zeroing in is the bet that human nature is fairly constant and that changing times simply means humans using different capabilities that they've already developed for new purposes, but the basic human nature remains fairly constant, and the more I mean it was, you know, was Jeff Bezos was asked what do you think's going to change most in the next 10 years, and he said the thing I'm most interested in what are the 10 things that aren't going to change? Yeah next 10 years, because you can actually bet on those. \n\nYeah bet on those better than what is going to change Awesome. \n\nDean: Well. \n\nDan: I think we, I think we, each of us, says on our part today I think so Absolutely. \n\nDean: I can't believe it. Let this quickly Alas, it did so, yeah, and. \n\nDan: I'm we're in the schedule for Albie in Chicago next week. But we're in the schedule, so I'll talk to you from Chicago. \n\nDean: I love it. That sounds great. All right, happy New Year, dan, to you and Babs. Have a wonderful night. Okay, we'll talk to you soon. \n\nBye. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn today\u0026#39;s episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we take you on a journey through history and our complex relationship with time and its perception. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe discuss hidden economic forces that shaped pivotal history and debate if we live in the \u0026quot;best or worst of times.\u0026quot; I share my experience with breaking free from television, only to be pulled back by sporting thrills and gripping shows, a reminder of how addictive media can be.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAs we wrap up our discussion, we reflect on exciting developments on the horizon. We celebrate entrepreneurs who have adapted their businesses to thrive online.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDean talks about time perception and the fascination with having foreknowledge of events, particularly in the context of financial markets and the desire to possess tomorrow\u0026#39;s news today.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe explore the human ability to adapt to a wide range of temperatures, humorously comparing our ancestors\u0026#39; robust survival skills to modern reactions to climate change.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDean reflects on the concept of whether we are living in the best or worst of times, citing both the remarkable conveniences of modern life and the psychological challenges posed by the battle for our attention.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003ePersonal anecdotes include Dean\u0026#39;s success in abstaining from watching television for over five years, despite being tempted by his loyalty to sports teams and the immersive experience of a Netflix binge.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eThere\u0026#39;s a discussion about the skepticism surrounding medical advancements and the difficulty in discerning credible health information in an era of conflicting opinions.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe examine the impact of technology on spontaneity and control in our lives, touching on smart devices and drawing a parallel to the controlling nature of HAL 9000 from \u0026quot;2001: A Space Odyssey\u0026quot;.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDan shares insights on entrepreneurship, reflecting on the adaptability required to thrive in the digital age, such as the growth of his coaching program and the shift from in-person workshops to online formats.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe delve into the process of book production, noting the importance of releasing work to make room for new ideas and discussing technological advancements that have expedited the process.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDean talks about integrating AI chat into books to allow readers to interact with content and contemplates whether AI could help guide readers through material by asking questions.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eCoordination for an upcoming trip to Chicago is mentioned, where Albie will be joining Dean and Dan, indicating excitement for the visit and the promise of future stimulating discussions.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Sullivan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m almost tapping in here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Almost. That\u0026#39;s exactly right as close as you can get without going over. We\u0026#39;re you know we\u0026#39;re going to be 12 hours away from it here, it\u0026#39;s all very exciting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, we were talking to Kim Daniel. He now calls himself. Daniel White and he phoned us from birth Australia from the future from the future from the future. So they\u0026#39;re already. They\u0026#39;re already into New Year\u0026#39;s yeah, that\u0026#39;s so funny. What a weird world, what a world for a world, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I saw an infographic that there\u0026#39;s an island. There\u0026#39;s two islands up where Russia and Alaska joined. They\u0026#39;re separated by three miles. You can see the other island. I like it once called tomorrow Island or something. What the American side is. You know 24 hours difference because it\u0026#39;s right after the straddle the line divides them is the international date line. So they\u0026#39;re three miles away, and yet they\u0026#39;re 24 hours apart. Yeah that\u0026#39;s really interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know people often have these quizzes. You know it\u0026#39;s either you\u0026#39;re reading the quizzes or you\u0026#39;re being asked the quiz. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, and it\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e if you had one superpower, what would it be? Have you ever had anything like that, so many? I have you know I think about or you were you were a witness to this question being asked. And mine is that I would like to have tomorrow morning\u0026#39;s Wall Street Journal yesterday. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, exactly Exactly. How great would that be, that could be. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e The thing is literally what you should. That could be a loophole, Dan. Maybe we should go to these islands and subscribe to the Wall Street Journal on tomorrow Island. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOh man. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Now take a bit of work. I mean, you still have to learn what to look for, and you know you\u0026#39;d have to have the means by which you could, and but that just reminds me. I think everybody would like to have that superpower. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e They would like to have advanced understanding of the future Well you know what\u0026#39;s so funny is one of the things that I wanted to talk about today, because it\u0026#39;s, you know, explore. This idea is because I ranked it up there as one of the top concepts of the year for me, and that is guessing and betting, and essentially, what you\u0026#39;re saying is it\u0026#39;s absolutely true. The reason that would be so valuable is that it would bring certainty. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIf you look tomorrow and see what the closing stock price of a any stock was today. If you knew that in advance, that it starts out at X and it\u0026#39;s going to be X plus. Y at the end of the day, you\u0026#39;re betting with certainty, and that\u0026#39;s a pretty interesting. That\u0026#39;s what I really thought about the that concept, and I\u0026#39;d love to hear a little more, because well, I think it\u0026#39;s, I think it\u0026#39;s been. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s a thought that\u0026#39;s been in the human brain since the first humans. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I agree, you think that not knowing, I wonder where. I wonder how would that have manifested itself then in the beginning? Knowing where, the, I guess what would it be? Knowing where, the where the food is going to be, or something. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think, you know, I think probably it manifested itself in the first days of people just noticing the weather, you know, like wherever they were, that you know, that. I mean I think they probably, if you did Colby\u0026#39;s back then, like a Colby profile that that the earliest humans really varied in terms of you know what they were skillful at and what they focused on Okay. And. But my sense is that there were some people who were more conceptual, who could notice patterns better than others. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd they could make sort of predictions which you know as it regard weatherers. That regarded, the wildlife around them or the you know. The you know availability of food. They would immediately go to the top of authority and in whatever group they were, because they just had a sense of what was going on and a better sense of tomorrow than anybody else did. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s really yeah must have freaked, I mean, imagine, not knowing with. I guess the first certainty would be well, even though the sun went away, it\u0026#39;s going to come back up again, Yep, and then getting that certainty that, okay, there it is. And wait a minute, it\u0026#39;s colder this time of year than what\u0026#39;s all this white stuff. I subscribe to the Gary Halbert philosophy. He had a saying that God gave us a sign by planting palm trees in all the places that were suitable for human habitation. So if you wake up and you don\u0026#39;t see any palm trees, keep bending south. That\u0026#39;s his philosophy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIf you see palm trees. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know you\u0026#39;re in the right place. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and then you know you, it\u0026#39;s very interesting. Everybody worries about global warming or they are making large amounts of money warning about global warming. I think that\u0026#39;s more of a ladder than it is that they\u0026#39;re actually worried. I think they\u0026#39;ve discovered a new way to make money? Yeah, but but if you think of the variations in temperature that humans can deal with, okay. So, for example, in North Africa, in the Sahara, people go about their business when it\u0026#39;s 120 degrees up, 120 or plus, you know, in the Sahara. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd at the same time there I\u0026#39;ve been in Alberta in Canada, when it was 44 below and everybody went about their business. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSpeaker 3 Yeah, so that\u0026#39;s a difference, that\u0026#39;s a difference. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Fahrenheit wise, that\u0026#39;s a difference of 164 degrees Okay. And humans at one end, people are going about their business. That\u0026#39;s the other. They\u0026#39;re going about their business and they\u0026#39;re freaking out about a one degree change, one or two degree change. And I said I mean, who of us doesn\u0026#39;t go through that, even you know, in idyllic spots like where you live? Yeah, there\u0026#39;s still a variation of 20 to 25, maybe 30 degrees during here, right, Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, no, it\u0026#39;s been. It\u0026#39;s been a little cold here Like I. Literally, I almost had to wear socks with my shorts today, dan, it\u0026#39;s that\u0026#39;s how chilly it was, wow, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And I have a hoodie on Wow. Just to stay one because I\u0026#39;m committed. I\u0026#39;m still sitting out in the courtyard have you done trauma? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Have you done trauma therapy on this? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No, you know, the funny thing about I mean, what they call the whole climate change is, you know, if we look back, it\u0026#39;s a fact, scientifically accepted, that we were in an ice age at one point and somehow, without the aid of fossil fuels and combustible engines, the earth warmed itself out of an ice age. And now we\u0026#39;re having a nervous breakdown that we\u0026#39;re gonna, because of combustible engines, throw the whole thing off into. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t know, it\u0026#39;s just See as an entrepreneur talking to an entrepreneur. That proves to me that there\u0026#39;s money to be made in nervous breakdowns. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Give people nervous breakdowns. That\u0026#39;s the thing, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, it\u0026#39;s like the Jerry McGuire movie. Remember Jerry McGuire movie. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I do. That\u0026#39;s a great movie. Where\u0026#39;s the? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e money. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Show me the money. Show me the money, show me the money. And I think that when you\u0026#39;re trying to analyze any event on the planet which is being interpreted in economic, political well, not economic but political, philosophical terms, I say I think your first question has to be okay, who\u0026#39;s making the money? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ehere yeah right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s absolutely true, absolutely true, and it\u0026#39;s gonna be. Yeah, I think that you know I was sharing a couple of weeks ago the idea of my contemplation on whether this is the best of times or the worst of times. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And the answer is yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s exactly right. But what I realized is that there\u0026#39;s, in terms of every physical measurement, every convenience, access to information, democratization of virtually everything. It\u0026#39;s the very best of times. There\u0026#39;s never been a better time than now, and on the worst, the best things that I could come up with are the most, you know, the things that would qualify as making it the worst of times, where all the battle for our minds and it\u0026#39;s that creating those there\u0026#39;s a lot to fixate on. You know that really has nothing to do with us in. You know, in reality, like when it\u0026#39;s all mental, the inner game is really the battle, for Dean Landia is strong, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think it\u0026#39;s true, and just to bring you know the latest update, I\u0026#39;m now in my Almost six, five and a half years of not watching television. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I know I thought like amazing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and, but this was sort of the test for me this fall, because I\u0026#39;m from Cleveland originally and. I have the normal sports loyalties. Like I rude right, you know, I root for the teams I rooted for when I was eight years old and the Cleveland Browns are having a really quite an extraordinary season as the result of a 38 year old quarterback. Yeah, I\u0026#39;ve heard his name Joe Flack, oh, oh. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWho was sitting on a. Who is sitting on a couch Watching television or lying on a couch? Six weeks ago, when Cleveland went to their third quarterback of the year, went down and they brought him in. And he\u0026#39;s been easily the best quarterback in the league over the last four or five years. Yeah and Just, I mean he\u0026#39;s. Here\u0026#39;s the Hollywood ending that they go to the Super Bowl and this guy comes off the coach and wins the Super Bowl. That\u0026#39;s a great. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s the Kurt Warner story right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah yeah, this is even more because Kurt Warner was about 31 or 32, yeah, when it happened, but this guy\u0026#39;s 38. He\u0026#39;s he played 16 years and nobody wanted in this year. So it\u0026#39;s just got all the makings of a great just a terrific Hollywood script you know, and. But ask me how much? What? How many minutes of Watching the Cleveland Browns this fall have I done? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e well, you told me your secret Was that you watch the YouTube summary of the game. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, first of all, I watch whether they won or lost right, okay, perfect yes. If they lost, I don\u0026#39;t watch the summary if they win. I watched the video. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd what I\u0026#39;ve discovered I? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e what I\u0026#39;ve discovered is that no football game has more than 10 minutes of actual highlights. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSpeaker 3 Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and then? The one I like the best is where they just show your team\u0026#39;s highlights when they want, which is about five minutes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah right right, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So rabbit pan. First game was 97 Jim Brown, olive fame and perhaps the greatest running back of all time. It was his rookie season and he broke the one game rushing record Day for touchdowns 200, 200 plus some yards. That was my first and I was addicted. It was like drugs, right. You know, you don\u0026#39;t you give the first sample away free, and then the drugs do the selling for the rest of my life. Yeah and so anyway. But, tempted as I may be, this fall I did not watch a minute of television. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow, that\u0026#39;s great, and you know I\u0026#39;m watching the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m not watching the highlights TV, as a matter of fact, I\u0026#39;m looking at the TV. It\u0026#39;s across the room for me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t even know where, I don\u0026#39;t even know how you turn it on, oh, boy. Fantastic. It\u0026#39;s like the Dark Ages. I\u0026#39;ve lost abilities that the Romans said. You know the whole. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, on the other side of that spectrum is Yesterday. I had two amazing things happen. So yesterday I Got up and I got coffee, and sometimes what I\u0026#39;ll do is I, like Jerry Seinfeld had a series called comedians in cars getting coffee and it\u0026#39;s just a fun. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know they\u0026#39;re 10 minute episodes, 10 12 minutes kind of thing. I think I\u0026#39;m someone in, so I sometimes I\u0026#39;m having like coffee, I\u0026#39;ll sit there and I\u0026#39;ll watch a comedians in cars getting coffee, and so I turned on Netflix to do that. And Netflix has this thing of pushing to your home screen, you know, through your algorithm or whatever, the thing that would be the most interesting to you, probably. And there was a series called money heist, which was a big thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, in 2020, when we were all in Lockdown based, this money heist series came on and everybody got, you know, fully addicted to it. It was really well done. It was just from Spain and it was Dubbed with English voices, but really well done. So, in any event, the third installment of this money heist series was front and center on my Netflix home screen yesterday and I Ended up no, this was Friday, sorry, I ended up watching the whole series on that Friday and the funniest thing, dan, is that I, for the entire day, thought it was Saturday and I didn\u0026#39;t realize until the end of the day that I got an extra day. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eDo you have those things where in the holidays the days just kind of blend all together? Because I haven\u0026#39;t had. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOr anything you know and the way you do that, in the way you do. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We each, we all have our own approaches, you know, right on that was so. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That was the funniest thing. I watched the entire series of Fantastic and, but it felt like I just borrowed from my leap year day. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Something got that day. Now I\u0026#39;m thinking got. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I said something got heisted. That\u0026#39;s exactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That is exactly right. Well, you know, everybody makes a big deal about this today, but I don\u0026#39;t think it was any different. Everybody wants to make Case that the world and humanity has never experienced before, of what we\u0026#39;re experiencing to work, and I resist that thought. And I say well, first of all, we don\u0026#39;t know, do we? I mean we? I mean we don\u0026#39;t know what was going on in the world when we were five or six years old, you know, I mean yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean, we were just struggling together handle on walking and running and Everything else. But people make all these things like Something like this has never happened before in human history and I yeah. I said first of all, vast majority of people haven\u0026#39;t got a clue what happened 10 years ago so you know. I mean and you know some of some people it\u0026#39;s last week and. Anyway, and I said actually probably, we all want to believe that our own age is something special. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I said okay, well, that\u0026#39;s something to remember that regardless of what age you\u0026#39;re in, people want to believe that it\u0026#39;s sort of special. Okay, and I get that, but my sense is it\u0026#39;s always been special. One it\u0026#39;s always been special, or two it\u0026#39;s never been special. And but if you go back, and If you go back and read the thinking of people, where we actually have the documents Greek 2500 years ago, totally understandable, translated and Very thoughtful and you could learn a lot from these guys. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOkay so so are there people smarter today than our Air stock? I don\u0026#39;t know, because I\u0026#39;m not sure how you would compare a smartness over in 2500 years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I mean, I think you can point to certain things. I mean you can point to Even just in. Let\u0026#39;s just take medicine. You\u0026#39;ve just returned from your second trip to Buenos Aires to get stem, stem cells for generating cartilage in your knees Right and others and others. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So it\u0026#39;s turning into. It\u0026#39;s turning into repair and also prevention. So they\u0026#39;re now doing proactive stuff for you know your brain and your vascular system and everything. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I remember. Yeah, so you know. I remember walking in Regents Park in London with Jamie Smart. We were walking around and he was telling me, you know he had written his new book at the time Clarity was out and he was saying how, in the 18, people thought that bad smells cause disease and so people would walk around with posies and fragrant things to ward off disease. And turns out that it was germs that caused this disease. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd so when you think about, you know, 2,500 years ago, advancements in medicine, you know we were, I mean, leaching and you know bloodletting and all of these sort of you know superstitious things I think were happening and they were thinking that some diseases were demonic possession. You know that\u0026#39;s really what was going on, that bring people had seizure, that they were possessed by the devil or by demons. And so now you fast forward to today and we have DNA that with certainty can point to what your genetic predispositions are, and stem cell, you know, can go in and repair or modify those things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI don\u0026#39;t know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, I think that we are, I think, life expectancy. So I think in many ways we\u0026#39;re constantly ratcheting forward society, right, and I think, with now access to you know it used to be. If you just take even 50 years ago, you know it used to be that all of the research and development and advancements in medicine were all done in silos, where you know proximity to those people or you know had to be around. And now we\u0026#39;re at a point where every advancement that\u0026#39;s documented and available is, you know, instantly analyzable by artificial intelligence and machine learning. So we have access to not just our own thinking but the analysis and you know computation skills or whatever, to everything to the hive mind. You know. I think that\u0026#39;s really what we\u0026#39;ve evolved to. Is that you know it\u0026#39;s not individual thinkers who you had to. 2,500 years ago you had to be in at the Agora to listen to Aristotle talk, to get the wisdom of Aristotle, or somebody had a scroll that had written down something that he said. You know Now it\u0026#39;s like everything I don\u0026#39;t know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s such amazing things that we have access to everything that\u0026#39;s ever been said and can project forward in the style of what Aristotle would say today about certain situations. Like you told me, your story of having something interpreted and written as Shakespeare would write it in the Iambic pandemic right, and so I don\u0026#39;t I mean, it\u0026#39;s like in certain things any argument that today is not a pinnacle of achievement or Well yeah, I think we I\u0026#39;ve been, you know, pondering over the years what constitutes smart, because it\u0026#39;s very clear to me that you can find examples of people thousands of years ago. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e If the person were in the room and you could understand the language they were speaking they would strike you as being very smart. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSpeaker 3 Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, and the couple of weeks ago in Congress we had three presidents of prestigious universities who, over a period of about 15 minutes, indicated that they\u0026#39;re not very smart Harvard, mit and Penn, okay. And they were asked a fairly simple question Would anything happening on your campus in advocating genocide to Jews, with that constitutive violation of code of conduct? And they couldn\u0026#39;t answer the question. Somebody 2,500 years ago could answer the question. So my sense is it\u0026#39;s kind of like you\u0026#39;re as smart as who you hang out with. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And you\u0026#39;re as smart as your ability to deal with the your own unknown factors, like we all have unknown factors, and so my sense is that intelligence and smartness has to do with your creative response, or your either creative or reactive response to kind of the conditions that you\u0026#39;re living in. You know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, and, for example, it\u0026#39;s pretty well known now that the people of the South Pacific pledged all over just understanding the color of waves. They could see that there were different variations in the color of the water sea water and they could make predictions based on that. I doubt if there\u0026#39;s any human beings today who can do that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, but I wonder yeah, I mean that\u0026#39;s so the thing that I\u0026#39;m saying, I think that human intelligence is kind of a constant and you know, people in the earliest humans were kind of smart in relationship to their circumstances and we probably couldn\u0026#39;t survive for a day what they could survive for a year, you know, because we didn\u0026#39;t have their knowledge and experience. So I think we have access to great medical breakthroughs right now, but I haven\u0026#39;t met a regular doctor yet that knows any of those breakers. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right? Well, because there\u0026#39;s a whole. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I just use my general. I just use my general practitioners for drugs drug dealers. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Good drug dealers. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but there\u0026#39;s a whole. You know there\u0026#39;s a whole, especially in these medical things. There\u0026#39;s a lot of. That\u0026#39;s one of these nervous breakdown things that there\u0026#39;s a whole lot of. For every advancement or every miracle cure or protocol, there\u0026#39;s someone, there\u0026#39;s a vocal and official sounding opposition to it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYep. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s really. This is where it\u0026#39;s really difficult. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You can count on that. Is to discern what the yeah, because somebody\u0026#39;s pension is at stake, somebody\u0026#39;s reputation is at stake, somebody\u0026#39;s livelihood is at stake because of something new, because of something new Because they stopped growing 20 years ago and they\u0026#39;ve been on autopilot and suddenly they\u0026#39;ve been interrupted. Something new what we\u0026#39;ve? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e got to stop. Is you look at something as devices, as vaccines? That\u0026#39;s been the. You know the number one kind of contention in the last four years is the whole. You know the on both sides. You know it\u0026#39;s either is it a miracle or is it killing you Is. You know and you don\u0026#39;t know the normal answer. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The answer is yes, and the answer is yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean it\u0026#39;s so funny. But true, right Like so. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean the whole thing, that there was some wisdom, that they had before COVID, which they disregarded. One is that what you have to do is go for the 65-year-olds and older and protect them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Protect the humans that are over 65. That\u0026#39;s because there\u0026#39;s a likelihood they\u0026#39;ve got a lot of other conditions that this will put them over the edge. This new thing will put them over the edge. Okay, no they want to start at six months old, they want to start at a year old, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, the masks were bigger than the child\u0026#39;s head, you know Right, and everything like that. It had nothing to do with medicine. It had nothing to do. It had a lot to do with control. Yes, yes, and I don\u0026#39;t know if we\u0026#39;ve learned anything about vaccines over the last four years, but a large portion of the public has learned not to trust healthcare experts. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ePublic Right, especially public healthcare, that\u0026#39;s what we\u0026#39;ve learned. Yeah, I mean, that\u0026#39;s what we\u0026#39;ve learned Exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, like, don\u0026#39;t go to the water hole at sunrise or sunset, right? Yeah, I mean, that\u0026#39;s the truth. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean creditors show up for easy eating. Yes, you know. So my sense is a lot has been learned over the last four years, but I don\u0026#39;t think it had anything to do with vaccines. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, I agree, and that\u0026#39;s, I think, from the you know, for the general public, for people you know observing this, it really creates the sense of you know, nervous, breakdown level things, of you know that there it feels like you\u0026#39;re there\u0026#39;s no right answer, that it\u0026#39;s wrong. You know that you\u0026#39;re either COVID\u0026#39;s going to get you or the vaccine\u0026#39;s going to get you and you can\u0026#39;t make the right decision. People are not there\u0026#39;s no uncertainty in the decision. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Are your Tesla is going to explode. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eRight, exactly, or they\u0026#39;re going to you know, and there\u0026#39;s the thing, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s all part of it. That\u0026#39;s what your Tesla is going to be shut down. You know that the government\u0026#39;s going to control. Yeah, I mean, there\u0026#39;s so much, yeah, I love this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, I mean I\u0026#39;m not. Babs loves her Tesla and she has the same model you do, and she\u0026#39;s had it for six years and she loves it and I love Babs, so it works. But I really liked my Beamer. I really liked the Beamer we had before. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know what? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It didn\u0026#39;t get any smarter in the garage overnight. And when the car goes into the garage when the car goes into the garage before dark and we close the door. I don\u0026#39;t want a smarter car. When I pick up the phone, oh my goodness. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, what\u0026#39;s so funny is I think it\u0026#39;s so presumptuous, so fun. I wake up, I get in the car and it tells me it\u0026#39;s nine minutes to Haven Bakery, haven Cafe. It\u0026#39;s like telling me that. Or at Honeycomb Cafe, it\u0026#39;s telling me nine minutes, traffic is okay. It\u0026#39;s presuming where I\u0026#39;m going. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, why can\u0026#39;t you just take a chance? I wonder how the traffic is going to be this morning. To see that there\u0026#39;s a pleasure has been taken away from me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s so funny, right? I don\u0026#39;t have any, you\u0026#39;ve got certainty and I just push the button and let it drive me there. So that\u0026#39;s the greatest thing you know. It\u0026#39;s so funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah it\u0026#39;s like you know it\u0026#39;s 2001,. Stanley Kubrick\u0026#39;s movie. What was the astronauts name? I forget, but that Hal was talking to us. What do you think you\u0026#39;re doing? Was it Doug? Or I\u0026#39;m trying to think he\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHal Dave. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, hal was the computer you know yeah. Which is just IBM. You know, if you take IBM backwards, you come up with Hal, but anyway, and it\u0026#39;s saying what do you think you\u0026#39;re doing, dave? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s nine minutes to the coffee show, Dave. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Why are you turning left? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSpeaker 3 Yeah, yeah, why are you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e even wondering Goodness, that is funny though that your car. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You wake up and your car is smarter it was. Oh man. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, you said it at the beginning. You said it was the beginning. Dean, that\u0026#39;s all a fight and competition for your brain, that\u0026#39;s what it is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s the absolute truth you know, and I think that you, you know, I think you\u0026#39;ve cut off the good portion of that access to your brain by removing yourself from programming television and you\u0026#39;re becoming the program director. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, think about this as an entrepreneur, that if you want to know the distinction between an entrepreneur, and a non-entrepreneur you know and I think about this a lot because I\u0026#39;ve been at it for 50 years right now, and I\u0026#39;ve asked that question a lot, you know. Do you think entrepreneurs are born? And I said well that I couldn\u0026#39;t attest to it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYes, they were born, but you know, or you know, is it learned? And I said well, I don\u0026#39;t know the answer to that question, but I would say that the entrepreneurs I know were on a path that was decidedly different, probably before they were 10 years old. They weren\u0026#39;t going along with the crowd, they were. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ethey were doing something individual, kind of on their own because, they were very curious about something, and most people who aren\u0026#39;t entrepreneurs were more socially addicted. You know what did the group think and what they had, but if you think about that, you\u0026#39;re a self programmer. The big thing about entrepreneurs is that we\u0026#39;re self programmers, in other words, we program the next day, we program the next week, we program. You know, here we are on New Year\u0026#39;s Eve and both of us are programming the next year and it really doesn\u0026#39;t have to do with anybody else\u0026#39;s programming. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s the greatest thing. This is going to be a big 2024, it\u0026#39;s going to be a big year. I mean you\u0026#39;re about, you\u0026#39;re going to turn 80 in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e May, yeah, and it\u0026#39;s 50 years coaching 50 years coaching since and the company. The program is 35 years old, so yeah, they\u0026#39;re at 35th and yeah, I mean, yeah, they all three of them happened this year, but but I mean we just came off our best year ever. I mean just in terms of you know new people into the program and everything else. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, we hit 52, which was great. 952 new people in the program that\u0026#39;s awesome, and except for two presentations, I didn\u0026#39;t have anything to do with that. That\u0026#39;s a real, that\u0026#39;s a real good measurement for me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, for sure. And now this year, this will be your first year with only free zone workshops. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No that was. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e This was your first year. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, this I stopped, I stopped. I\u0026#39;m just trying to take one. Did that Cross over? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat\u0026#39;s what I\u0026#39;m wondering, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, it was January of last year, January. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, so this year was yeah, I\u0026#39;ve gotten a full year full year with only free zone. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, right, and you know, really caused a lot of tension for a lot of people in the company and everything else and I said, well, it\u0026#39;s going to happen sometime. Why don\u0026#39;t we just make it happen right now? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And you know there was pushback and you know the usual sort of thing. But my way of creating change is just to create a vacuum. Yeah, right, something\u0026#39;s going to fill it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSpeaker 3 Throw your hat over the fence. Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So I announced in the middle of just trying to take care. I announced in the middle of 2021. So it was June of 2021. At the end of 22, I\u0026#39;m not going to do any more 10 times workshops. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eRight, yeah, I remember. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e People said, well, how are we going to do this? And I said my security clearance doesn\u0026#39;t go that high, I just have no idea. I just know that after the end of next year I\u0026#39;m not going to do any 10 times workshops. Okay, and. I\u0026#39;ve done this enough in the past. People and Babs and I had already worked this out, so that wasn\u0026#39;t Babs and I are saying that something\u0026#39;s going to happen. Well, that\u0026#39;s not negotiable. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, yeah, that\u0026#39;s awesome. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But we have five coaches, who you know, who had to jump to the next level, and they did a good job and the renewals are more or less the same as if I was doing the workshops at the end of the first year, pointing off here, pointing out there. So you know, and you know, and I think we had 180 people who moved from the signature level to the end times. So that was great. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I didn\u0026#39;t have a. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I didn\u0026#39;t have anything to do with that, and the more things that can happen in the company that I don\u0026#39;t do or don\u0026#39;t even know about, the better I feel. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSpeaker 3 Yes, yes, that\u0026#39;s yeah that\u0026#39;s pretty exciting, I\u0026#39;m talking about. I\u0026#39;m talking about. Yeah, no, I bet it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m sure any dip in the you know 10 times conversions or whatever was offset by people in 10 times who want to stay with Dan moving up to freedom. Imagine that was offset by that. Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it pushes. It pushes both ways. But the one thing that we realized, that I hadn\u0026#39;t thought of that. Really worked out great, and it\u0026#39;s only because of COVID. It\u0026#39;s the two hour. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eZoom workshops, yeah, so every quarter. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I do six two hour 10 times workshops and I do two hour free zone workshops and that little two hour thing, which was only possible because of COVID Nobody, nobody watched Zoom before. Covid has made a world of difference. It\u0026#39;s made a world of difference. So I was only going to do that for a year and now I\u0026#39;m going to. I\u0026#39;ve extended it to the end of 24. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I like that yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But I like it, I like it and everybody else likes it, and it seems to work. But I don\u0026#39;t think that would have ever happened if I hadn\u0026#39;t just said no more full day in-person workshops. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, yeah, that\u0026#39;s fantastic, so you\u0026#39;re coming up now. This is interesting, then the when did your quarterly book? Did that start on your birthday? That was the end of the end of 2014. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So next December it\u0026#39;ll be book 40. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, okay, there you go. And we\u0026#39;re just curious about your intention and your plan for your 80s being the best decades. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I\u0026#39;ll do 40 more books because I\u0026#39;m not to 100 yet. So, and they\u0026#39;re getting better. I mean, I can tell the feedback from our longtime clients. They said you know the books are really, they\u0026#39;re really getting more interesting. They\u0026#39;re not just program tools that you\u0026#39;re explaining, you\u0026#39;re doing right, doing all sorts of different things, but the insight I had, dean, was that a lot of people spend years, even decades, on books Okay, which, yeah, aren\u0026#39;t finished, which aren\u0026#39;t finished, right, and they they maybe have 20 or 30 chapters and each of the chapters are kind of interesting, not equal to each other but their interest. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI said, why don\u0026#39;t you just take one of the chapters and turn it out as a book? And of course you and I went through the early days when you could do this quickly, when you had the 90 minute book idea and are continuing to do that. And then I think it was who was it that came up with they could turn a book around in a week for you if you just send it in for them. Who is that Amazon? Is it Amazon? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, I think it\u0026#39;s Amazon Exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, amazon yeah, and we use. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e yeah, I mean it\u0026#39;s yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And yeah, and perfectly good, you know, perfectly useful, and but we\u0026#39;ve got our own. You know print shops here in Toronto and it\u0026#39;s a lot cheaper than in the US. We found out that a point to realize for you living in the States that getting a book printed in Toronto is about 40% cheaper than getting a book printed in Chicago, dollar for dollar. You know Canadian dollar. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow, Even after the exchange rate right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e After the exchange rate yeah, yeah, you\u0026#39;re, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe other thing is yeah, my head. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know it\u0026#39;s not a unique. You have a one of one style of book. That everything about it, from the double cover to the thickness of the color cover, to the paper stock on the inside and the color scheme, and you know it\u0026#39;s one of one. There\u0026#39;s no, there\u0026#39;s nothing else like it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and I\u0026#39;ve told people you know you\u0026#39;re sitting on books. I mean you\u0026#39;re always talking about writing the book. But where\u0026#39;s the book? You know, why don\u0026#39;t you just get the book finished? And they said well, you know, you know. I said I said you\u0026#39;re thinking about it too much, you\u0026#39;re not executed. I said just get the book out there. I said it\u0026#39;s not going to change the world, it\u0026#39;s not going to be a bestseller, they\u0026#39;re not going to make a Hollywood movie out of it. So Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd what it does is it gets some old ideas in your head out so that you can have some new ideas. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, the truth isn\u0026#39;t it. Yeah, I mean, that\u0026#39;s kind of what a collection to going all the way back to book number one and then to book, you know, whatever you\u0026#39;re at now I\u0026#39;m working on 7 right now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I get a lot out of it and of course we\u0026#39;ve got great teamwork inside the company when we started with your team actually the first one. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I remember the first couple Thinking about your thinking that was the first book. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And then you know, some of our team members said well, we could do this, and we could do this, and we could do this. And I said that\u0026#39;s great. Plus, the technology just keeps improving. I mean, if you think I started that in. Where\u0026#39;s the technology today compared to where? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eit was in 2014,. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So my cartoonist Hamish McDonald. I estimate that every year I get the productivity capability of another Hamish just because of the upgrades to software and hardware. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e To the tools he\u0026#39;s able to use and deploy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, oh yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, like I\u0026#39;ll, we\u0026#39;re right at the end of the book I\u0026#39;m working on. So we\u0026#39;re just working on the conclusion and the program where we describe strategic coach. Those are the last two sections. So on Tuesday I\u0026#39;ll sit down and we\u0026#39;ll sketch out what the cartoon is going to be for the conclusion. I\u0026#39;ve got the outline, with the outline copy all done, so we can read it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And we\u0026#39;ll sketch it out and we\u0026#39;ll have another meeting on Thursday and he\u0026#39;ll be 90% finished Full color. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And we do a little tweaks and then in the last 10 minutes we say well, let\u0026#39;s look at the next section and he\u0026#39;ll sketch it out, and on Monday of the following week he\u0026#39;ll be finished with the cartoon. Book one that was a 10 day process for. That was a 10 day process for one sections cartoons. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, well, it\u0026#39;s wild. And now I guess you know I mean book 36,. You\u0026#39;ve got all of the ear. You\u0026#39;ve evolved it into all of the ways to consume. Now you know that you\u0026#39;ve got the cartoons and the audio and the video. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so we\u0026#39;re going to do one new thing that Dean and we could talk about this. We\u0026#39;re going to do one new thing, probably the first quarter. I\u0026#39;m going to take one of the books and we\u0026#39;re just got it down to choice of three and we\u0026#39;re going to create an AI chat on just that book. Okay, so the entire knowledge base will just be the words that are in that particular book. And then we\u0026#39;ll use, and Leor Weinstein is helping us with this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And then. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So in addition to the audio, the video, the cartoons, the text, you\u0026#39;ll also get the AI and you can ask the book questions and it\u0026#39;ll answer you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you think, dan, this is? I\u0026#39;ve had this in this conversation. Maybe we could have a whole discussion around this, but because I you know this is a very real capability of AI right now, but I think that there\u0026#39;s. I would rather have the AI ask me questions and guide me through the process than me having to ask the questions. Yeah because that requires me having included yeah it requires work. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYes, that\u0026#39;s exactly right. We\u0026#39;re inquiring, you and I, how that\u0026#39;s exactly right, and I would much rather I would love to have an AI coach me through applying this to me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo it was hey that hey, hey, hey yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think you should go get in the car and take a 15 minute, 15 minute drive to the car. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that\u0026#39;s not you know, because somebody else. No, no, no that\u0026#39;s brilliant. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s brilliant. Let\u0026#39;s talk about that. Yeah because somebody else that actually indicates some intelligence, doesn\u0026#39;t it? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, but the thing is that you know that application where, if I could go through a track, it\u0026#39;s like a guided thing. If you could train the AI as a coach in this to guide somebody through where they\u0026#39;re at and how this would apply to them, like somebody had, because somebody was training up a Napoleon Hill that you could chat with Napoleon Hill and you could ask him any questions. And I just realized that much better experience. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You could have one from Jerry Spence. Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e How great would that be right, Jerry Spence coaching. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, he would ask you all sorts of adverts questions before you know that\u0026#39;s, that\u0026#39;s his book is great, by the way, you put me on to him. Yes, you know more or less his autobiography. But nice person, I mean he comes across. I mean probably a prick if he was the opposing lawyer in a trial, but he seems like, if you had him on your side, you\u0026#39;d feel good about him. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s exactly true. I need to reread that again. That how to argue and win every time is one of my top wisdom books. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, Anyway what did we cover today? What are two or three things that we covered today? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So follow the money, follow the money. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, we found out about what the Hamas is about. All the money was in Kedr, you know the country of. Kedr. The three top people were worth 6 billion, 5 billion and 4 billion. So that\u0026#39;s what Hamas is all about is about money, you know, and their racket. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s amazing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Anyway, yeah, but okay, follow the money. What\u0026#39;s in the other thing? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think your strategy. It\u0026#39;s always amazed me this last five years of your disconnecting from programming. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah other people\u0026#39;s programming. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Other people\u0026#39;s programming. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that\u0026#39;s a big thing. One thing we did not get to talk about that I want to maybe present next time is I watched another Russell Barclay video and they\u0026#39;re talking about executive function and the. It\u0026#39;s really an interesting distinction but the difference between you know what and how, knowing what and how is not effective. That the ADHD brain is not. It\u0026#39;s not inhibited in the knowing what and how to do. It\u0026#39;s the when and the where. That is where executive function comes in and I found that that\u0026#39;s absolutely the truth in a real. It sounds so simple and obvious, but it\u0026#39;s the absolute truth. That\u0026#39;s the thing about you know. Imagine if you applied yourself. Applying yourself is only evidence in the when and the where, both where, when and where. Future and when and where is this going to happen and when and where did it happen? You know what actually happened. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat\u0026#39;s the an often those don\u0026#39;t align. I find for me that\u0026#39;s the biggest. That\u0026#39;s the biggest disconnect is knowing what I want to do, knowing what you know, how it needs to happen, even projecting when and where, but the alignment of you know missing the exit kind of be interesting with the intention. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;d be an interesting question, yeah because, the appropriateness of things is really not the what or the how the appropriateness is really the when and where it makes appropriate or inappropriate, you know yeah. Yeah, great topic. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, how about for you? What was your take away from today? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think that the big thing that I\u0026#39;m zeroing in is the bet that human nature is fairly constant and that changing times simply means humans using different capabilities that they\u0026#39;ve already developed for new purposes, but the basic human nature remains fairly constant, and the more I mean it was, you know, was Jeff Bezos was asked what do you think\u0026#39;s going to change most in the next 10 years, and he said the thing I\u0026#39;m most interested in what are the 10 things that aren\u0026#39;t going to change? Yeah next 10 years, because you can actually bet on those. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah bet on those better than what is going to change Awesome. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think we, I think we, each of us, says on our part today I think so Absolutely. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I can\u0026#39;t believe it. Let this quickly Alas, it did so, yeah, and. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m we\u0026#39;re in the schedule for Albie in Chicago next week. But we\u0026#39;re in the schedule, so I\u0026#39;ll talk to you from Chicago. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I love it. That sounds great. All right, happy New Year, dan, to you and Babs. Have a wonderful night. Okay, we\u0026#39;ll talk to you soon. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBye. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In today's episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we take you on a journey through history and our complex relationship with time and its perception. \r\n\r\nWe discuss hidden economic forces that shaped pivotal history and debate if we live in the \"best or worst of times.\" I share my experience with breaking free from television, only to be pulled back by sporting thrills and gripping shows, a reminder of how addictive media can be.\r\n\r\nAs we wrap up our discussion, we reflect on exciting developments on the horizon. We celebrate entrepreneurs who have adapted their businesses to thrive online.\r\n","date_published":"2024-01-24T15:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/e0cd92d4-4af0-4570-84af-9f9abf63863e.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":38250479,"duration_in_seconds":3184}]},{"id":"f3ce9773-d31e-400a-9979-227555eb0a34","title":"Ep116: Creating Conversations That Drive Business Forward","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/116","content_text":"Today on Welcome to Cloudlandia, we explore the effectiveness of small gatherings and the meaningful conversations that can be had through them. We talk about how small workshops help establish a richer exchange where each voice can fully engage. \n\nWe examine the nuanced difference between self-promotion and truly understanding clients, inspired by Walter Payton's philosophy of emphasizing outcomes over features. Entrepreneurs rethink their approach after test-driving innovative thinking tools highlighting benefits. \n\nLater, we unpack exercises that optimize communication and outcomes. The 'who, not how' focus and 'self-milking cow' concept streamline processes.\n\n\u0026amp;nbsp\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\nDean explores the influence of group size on workshop conversation quality and how smaller groups encourage more unified discussions.\nA new thinking tool inspired by Walter Payton is discussed, which prompts entrepreneurs to emphasize outcomes and benefits in their market presentation.\nWe touch on the importance of 'field reports' over 'book reports' for showcasing tangible, real-world business success stories.\nPersonal testimonials from entrepreneurs highlight the Strategic Coach program's transformative effects on both their personal lives and businesses.\nDean shares insights on achieving \"dream come true\" outcomes for clients, stressing the importance of being genuinely interested in clients' experiences.\nA health practitioner's journey is spotlighted, from selling a low-cost ebook to offering a comprehensive service for reversing type 2 diabetes.\nThe concept of the 'self-milking cow' and the 'who, not how' approach is examined for improving efficiency in lead generation and client relationship management.\nInitial success stories from the real estate division's accelerator program demonstrate the practical results of innovative business models.\nDan shares his personal health journey with stem cell therapy and neurofeedback, noting improvements in cognitive function and overall wellness.\nWe discuss the role of blockchain and smart contracts in protecting intellectual property, with a nod to Dean's experiences after returning from Argentina.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean: Mr Sullivan. Ah, mr Jackson, welcome back to. \n\nDan: Cloudlandia. The world is still going on as it was before. \n\nDean: It was the best times it was. Mr Times, welcome back. You've been expanding your footprint on the planet. \n\nDan: I have. I have yeah, I've got to do something about that. I'm maybe a new pair of shoes or something like that. Yeah, we were at Genius in Scottsdale and then we were in Chicago for a week and we did the smaller free zone workshop, which is different because you know, it was about 20. We had about 20 and it's very interesting. I've never really quite figured out what is the optimal size group where you get the best conversation but it's just different. You get different kinds of conversations. I agree, yeah, yeah, yeah. \n\nDean: I find out with my breakthrough. Blueprint events same thing, Like. \n\nwhat I find is 12 is the maximum size If you want to have one conversation. We're around one boardroom table, everybody could see the whites of everybody's eyes and keeping the conversation all front and center. When you get even to 14 people, you get into a situation where you end up having fractured conversations. You got a conversation over at this end of the table and it's less. Yeah, it's harder to have a breakout conversation in a small group of 10 or 12 than it is in 14 or 16 or 20. \n\nDan: Yeah, very interesting. Yeah, we push for the 40 to 50, and then we have individual breakout groups throughout the day and make sure it depends on what your objective is. I think with your case it's very important that they get a unified sort of understanding of the eight profit maximizers. \n\nDean: Activators. \n\nDan: Yeah, activators, yeah, I think you should make a maximum, since you're going for profit anyway, I think you that's right. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's exactly right. \n\nDan: You're putting in the work. You're putting in the work anyway. \n\nDean: That's the advanced program. \n\nDan: We'll start out with the activators yeah, yeah, first they learn the activators where they're again. We just gave you 50 more years of future, just in a single conversation. \n\nYeah, I tried out two new tools and the thinking tools in the free zone workshop and one of them really had a big impact and it's from a quote from Walter Payton, who is a very famous, running back in the national football league Hall of Fame, chicago Bears and he had and I heard this about seven, eight months ago Reddit and it has just kept bouncing around in my head and usually when that happens over a period of months, I'm supposed to do something with the thought and the thought is when you're good, you tell everybody. When you're great, everybody tells you. \n\nDean: Right, that's very good, and so I like that yeah. \n\nDan: And I came up with a one page layout structure where they can put in certain experiences, and but you know, I had them do. One was when you're good, what do you tell them? And then the other column was when you're great, what do they tell you? \n\nAnd then we had a brainstorm for two minutes each for each column and they wrote down about five things on one and five things down on the other and the statements were starkly different. They were for me. I did the sample copy and they were starkly different. Yeah, and I wonder what you think about that, because I haven't really put names to what's happening there. \n\nBut, it seems to me that, first of all, we're using our experience on the left hand side, which is the good side, as a contrast to the great side, and we're saying this is what we do and this is how we present it, and this is the steps that you'll go through, and this is this. These are the names of the tools that you're going to be using. \n\nDean: But on the other side. \n\nDan: They're completely different and they the comments they come back or how they've taken the tools and used them and what they've done to their life. \n\nDean: That's my initial thought, that I think that on the left side the good side I think that people would tend to focus on features of what they and on the right side would be reporting of benefit. I think that's a good. That's probably accurate, that they're talking in terms of results and the left side would be talking about the process and result, ideas and outcomes. I think you could have a whole vocabulary of left and right. \n\nDan: Very interesting, because what I did then is pick the three best from both sides, so there's a little lower column and they pick the three best. I says you can rewrite them based on your first draft, your first draft and now you do a second draft. And then I say I'd like you to go to the triple play sheet and see if you can combine left and right in three of the arrows. That starts the triple play. \n\nAnd they did. And then they go through the pink boxes and then they go through the green boxes and then they go into breakout groups and they talk about. They came back and to a person when we got back they said I've got to completely rethink how we're presenting ourselves in the marketplace. \n\nDean: Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it? The whole when you start looking at it's a difficult thing for people to think about presenting outcomes or the benefits of promised land, the destination, and especially if you are at the hypothesis stage that you're projecting what the results, the intended results, are, compared to reporting on the documented, actual results. That's whether it's a theory or a real thing. I think that's probably part of when you're good, when you think you've got an idea that some outcome is going to be and you think that this process is what's going to get the outcome, and you have to, you know, hype that up a little bit to get people excited or in intellectually involved in the idea that this outcome is possible, which is very different than a field report. I call it often difference. We use the term of book reports versus field reports and yeah, but he's got, a field report is an actual, documented, here's what happened on the outcome kind of thing as opposed to. I think if we go this way, we'll get the results in theory. My calculations tell me. \n\nDan: Yeah, what was interesting was people zeroed in on your statement and it was mentioned two or three times that the left hand side, where you're telling your good story, it's a convincing argument. The right hand side, it's a compelling offer. \n\nDean: Yes, that's the. That's exactly it. That was my thought. Yeah, that's why I say that is that a compelling offer is 10 times more powerful than a convincing argument, and that's when you're at the level when you're at the level where you can make a compelling offer is because you have certainty around it. \n\nRight, that's what's compelling. I think I was thinking about that a lot like the guessing and betting is that when you're what you're trying to, if you're focused on the left side, the good side you're trying to present enough convincing arguments to get people to place a bet on there but they're the one you're trying to get them to place the bet, and that's the whole purchase order versus receiving doc. \n\nanalogy of that you're going to the purchasing department trying to get them to write and fund a purchase order to get a future delivery of a result or an outcome, whereas if you were able to go to the delivery, you're able to go to the receiving doc with the results that you're met with open arms. It's interesting, right? That's a yeah. Chris Rock, the comedian, once said about crack nobody sells crack, crack sells itself. You got some crack in your mouth. People will be knocking on your door at three in the morning. \n\nDan: You don't have to go out in the cell. Yeah, oh man yeah, the sample does the selling. \n\nDean: That's exactly right. That is exactly right yeah. Yeah, and I think that's really the thing when you look at the. What was the? What was some of the highlights of the great side? \n\nDan: What were some of the highlights that stood out, or even yeah, I was just thinking because I was a genius network last when in not this past Friday and Saturday, but the week before and. I didn't have any presentation during the during the two and a half days. Yeah, that was I was streaming, by the way, yeah and. But I was running in the hallway when we were out on breaks. I was running into strategic coach clients who've been in the program for 20, 25 years, but this is the first time I've met them because, they've had other coach. \n\nThey've had other coaches and at least three of them came up to me and they almost had tears in their eyes. I said I just want to tell you this has transformed every part of my life. \n\nDean: Wow. \n\nDan: Just being in the coach Wow. And I talked to them where they were before they came in the coach and what the difference was as a result of going to the workshops and and it was pretty, pretty steady throughout the two days when I was just out wandering, when there was, someone else would be with them and they'd say things like this saved my life and everything like that. And I was just noticing but I really didn't tell the other person what strategic coach was, except that it had a transformative effect. \n\nAnd I think the there's another thing. We I talked about convincing argument and compelling offer, but I think the other thing is that on the left, you're aiming for a transaction. On the right, you're hearing about a transformation. Yes, agreed, yeah, yeah, that's. And I told people that if you don't, if you don't have anything that you can think of, that you would write down. On the right hand side, on the great side, I said marketing isn't your problem. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's exactly right. You've got to be able to. You've got to, and once you're able to document the outcome, that's what. That's funny, because that's exercise number one that we do. I have a breakthrough blueprint starting tomorrow at celebration, and one of the way the first thing we start out is with the dream come true on both ends. We define the equation as what would be the dream come true for you. First off, what is it that you're looking to build? What do you really want from your business here? \n\nLet's start with that, and what are you really good at? I get to get people to strip away the goggles that they've been looking through of their existing business. This is what typically they get caught in. That left side of this is what we do, but I say I was trying to get them to think we're talking about new. \n\nNow. We're talking about business, new business that you haven't already done. So what are you capable of right now? That's why I say that people like what is it? What's the best thing that you could do for somebody? If they would just get out of the way and let you do it for them Without not what you can convince them to pay for or not what you can constrain through the current delivery system that you have in place, just what is what's the best outcome that you could create for somebody would be a dream come true for them and then who? \n\nwould that person have to be? And that's where we then segue that into profit activated number one, which is select a single target market. \n\nDan: It's really interesting that and that's another distinction. Taking what you just said and going back and looking at the when you're great, when are you great tool, if you died and people showed up at your funeral, which side would they talk about? Yeah, I went through Jesus. I went. He told me about all sorts of profit act. It was really great. I'm not sure it did him any good. We're at his funeral so. \n\nI don't know if it did take any good, yeah, but I just think that one thing that it requires for you to fill in the right hand side, the great side is that you, first of all, you have to be interested in what people's outcomes are. You have to be interested in what their actual experience is there and you have to take them seriously. You're getting real market research? \n\nDean: Yes, yeah, that's why I say this is. It's amazing to see what people talk about when they imagine the best thing they could do for somebody. What they're capable of is far more than what they're currently offering to people, and it's so funny because that's the way that their business is set up is to. Their delivery pipes are calibrated for what they think they can convince people to pay for. It's not anything to do with what the outcome is. It's very interesting to me to see this play out again and again, because people light up when they get into describing the outcomes, because that question demands an outcome. It's not about what's your best, what's your process, it's about. That's why I say what's the best thing that you could deliver for somebody? The dream come true experience for them. That would be that you're capable of what's the best result you could deliver, and it's amazing to see that people are often there. \n\nWe went from had one conversation with a Health practitioner who was doing they had a real protocol for reversing type 2 diabetes and they were selling a $17 Eba about it right, like trying to get people, and I was saying how could you? What would be the best thing that you could do for somebody if you could Charge $17,000 for it, what would be? What it's not knowing the protocol, it's complying with the protocol, is the issue right? And if you could deliver the result, if you could reverse their diabetes in spite of them? That's where the real Thing would you know. And where I got that was I had read at that time, I had finished reading, I think it's Alan Dyke world had a great book called change or die. And Did you ever read that book? \n\nDan: doesn't rain. A bell no. \n\nDean: Oh, it was very interesting. I give you the short kind of summary version of it that the premise of the book is if your life depended on you changing, do you think that you could make a change? And and yeah, the evidence says no. The evidence says no where you can't and the evidence that they used. They took different scenarios, one of which was heart patients, cardiac patients, people who have just had bypassed surgeries, and you would think like that's a life or death situation, that People you've had it and I'm sure the doctor says you listen, you need to Straighten up here and fly right. You need to change your ways or you're gonna die and they go back and some crazy number like 80 plus percent of people who have had bypass surgeries One year later have made no significant changes in their lifestyle. And it's it was very interesting. \n\nSo Dean Ornish created a protocol where he convinced mutual of Omaha to Divert cohort of people who were eligible for bypass surgery that the insurance would pay for, which at the time was Over a hundred thousand dollars for per patient to have that. So he diverted them into an intervention program where they sequestered them for 30 days and controlled every ounce of food that went in there in their body. They had access to counseling and group work and Meditation and stress management and yoga and physical therapy all of these things. Starting stripping back to just really addressing the why, the issue of why are they doing? The behaviors that led to this, this issue and the average after the 30 days result was an average weight loss of 28 pounds, of reduction in the angina by 96%. \n\nPeople who couldn't climb a flight of stairs were walking Two miles. This whole complete turnaround of Things in 30 days. And then at 30 days, they sent them home with access to a chef and a personal trainer and counseling and group you know, group counseling as well for a year and then they were on their own after the year and At the end of three years, 77% of the people had Maintained the changes that they made in the in the program because they built the change from the inside out and Also from the outside in. At the same time, it was they were removed from the environment that made their bad decisions and took their Took willpower out of the equation, took the other things, that just totally immersion for 30 days where they saw the benefit of the things without having the white knuckle the. \n\nWillpower to comply with the protocols. I thought, man, that's very interesting, because that's the same thing that happens in any type of Change. Right, that was just a really good, that was just a really good example of it. Can you see the same thing? \n\nDan: my approach. Yeah yeah, my approach would be different. They won't make a change if they don't have a new future. That's bigger than what the life that they've been leading. So that must happen. That must happen in the test that they In the vision. They envision themselves almost acquiring a new capability by making the change that creates a bigger future. \n\nIt's really interesting in the political campaign. I'm just looking at it and it's driving the Striving. The journalist is driving the pollsters, is driving one side of the political spectrum. Absolutely crazy that With Trump you have at least four indictments which the Prosecutors are hoping him to put him in jail there by making them in there eligible for the election next year. But actually there's nothing in the Constitution that says that's true, doesn't say you can't be under indictment and get elected president of the United States. \n\nBut the other thing is that his numbers keep going up with each new indictment and they can't comprehend that and because on their side of the party and indictment would be the end of your career. \n\nAnd they're trying to figure out why an indictment on his side the other thing is, as far as I can tell, the president Biden right now is Trying to get us to believe that things are really good. Things are really good and that Biden economics has Really been a breakthrough for the United States. It's just that when people don't go to the grocery store, they don't feel that way when they go to the gas station. They don't feel that way. \n\nAnd and that their line seems to be. Who you gonna believe? Are you gonna believe us or you gonna believe your own line? I the nearest. Are you gonna believe here? And but what Trump says is mega, make America great again. Let's make a great again yeah, and it just seems to be to me a more compelling offer. Then, yeah, things are better than you've ever had them before. It just seems to be a better offer. \n\nYeah, one seems to be a tempt at a convincing argument and the other one is a compelling offer and part is a lot of American yeah, I think his whole thing that if you stack it up, it is all. \n\nDean: Let's talk it out. Think about that. Is that what's happening on the left side and the right side? No no correlation between left and right politically. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: I just. Coincidentally, it turns out that Trump's Big things are all compelling offers. Make America great yeah. Build the wall America first him. Drain the swamp yeah. Those are all outcomes that are Compelling in themselves. \n\nDan: Let's prevent China from cheating us and soft the way we've been yeah let's stop the endless wars, the endless wars and Everything. And he's just picking up and I think he's operating on the right side of the First of all is he's operating on the great side because he's got to work great and there's as compelling offer make make America and just you. \n\nDean: I was gonna say you talk about great. I saw an interview where he was. They were pressure him into picking a side between Ukraine and Russia, like who's in the wrong? This was prior to Israel and I'm not same kind of thing and his answer was I want people to stop dying. That what a great like Car right it's. I want people to stop dying. They're killing themselves, they're killing each other. That's yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah yeah, and it just struck me that they are making up stories on the left-hand side About, about he's a dictator and he's appealing to the worst instincts of the American people and everything like that. But my real sense is he's speaking a completely different language that people on the left don't understand. They, they, they talk, and it's the difference between Talking about efficiency and talking about effective. You know they'll say, well, we're doing things more efficiently than we were before. Yeah, it's just that you're doing things more efficiently that we don't really want. \n\nDean: Right. \n\nDan: Yeah that's. I'm glad you're making yourself feel good about what you're doing, but nothing that you're doing really makes us feel good. And anyway, I just find it find it interesting that one of them has a greater grasp of what people's experience. \n\nDean: Actually, is yes, yeah, that's, yeah. That's a pretty, it's a compelling exercise actually. Get a great have a great, a great outcome. So what, then, is the action from that? What? What's the? Yeah, when you presented that as an exercise, to what end? What's the next? What's the? \n\nDan: the I made it like got my results in the go-around when we were wrapping up the exercise because every person in the room said I've got some redesign To do in terms of our message and what we're actually doing to generate great site commenter. Are we doing the things that would generate that, the same thing as I think one side is doing and the other side is being on the one side, you're describing what you're going to be doing with them and on the other side. \n\nYou're going to describe how you're going to experience as Result of going through the protocol as we are going to know what would be an example of people having completed the Profit activator, so you're later. What would be some of the things that they would say a year later? \n\nDean: Yeah, so certainly my, I have. I have an engine that delivers leads for a. I've generated a thousand new prospects from a book that I wrote and as a download, and then on the lead conversion Process that they're they've, they're collaborating with people at a higher level in terms of the delivering the outcomes for people, opening up a whole new who now, I'm excuse me, who, not how opportunity up like a perfect example that we're going through right now in our real estate division is I have, excuse me, all of the things that that people can do to get certain outcomes. Everything that we talk about is tied to a, a key metric, a deliverable outcome for people, and so I went through and looked at each of the outcomes that we're delivering, meaning, let's say, for getting referrals and repeat business. Our key metric for that is that we manage their relationship portfolio for a 20% annual yield. \n\nSo our thing is that they have a hundred and fifty people that know them, like them, trust them, and that they should be able to generate 30 transactions from that outcome now I went through and looked at all the things on the left side that you have to do to get that and I started looking at it from the self milking cow a the who, not how, way of what. If we were responsible for helping them, that kind of the Jordan Peterson model, right adapted for this Situation. What would we do if we were responsible for helping them? And I started realizing there's very little that requires them. I could do Under with our team. We could do do almost everything for them and the things that we can't do could be done in 130 minute phone call a week with a coach. And so we could, from that 30 minute milking session, get all the milk that we need to pasteurize and turn into the products. \n\nWe could Identify who their top 150 are. \n\nWe could get them set up in there in their go agent CRM. We could we have the world's most interesting postcard that we could print and mail To all of their people. We can create a Google map that drops a pin when all of their top 150 are and then each week we could have a conversation with them and say, dan, who are you showing houses to this week? Who are you going to see about selling their house this week and we could look on the map and See if you're showing houses in the beaches. You could look and see okay, I've got four people in my top 150 that live in the beaches in the certain neighborhoods where I'm going. If there's a townhouse complex, say Riverrun, we could send an Email or a text to those four people and say hey, dan, I'm showing houses in Riverrun this week and there's only a couple for sale right now. Have you heard anybody Talking about selling? Maybe we can match them up with this couple for a job bro or whatever it is, just do market making activities. \n\nSo, those things alone, we could do all of the work and I went through for all of the outcomes getting referrals, multiplying your listings, converting leads, finding buyers and getting listings. \n\nThose are the, the bankable results that we, that we focus on and I identified that we can literally do every piece of it, and since I've started describing that to people, we just launched our accelerator program in November and I've been positioning it as a personal trainer. Like working with a personal trainer, where you will meet with you once a week, except, unlike working with a personal trainer, we're gonna do the sit-ups and you're gonna get the six pack. That's really, that's a compelling offer, right? \n\nYeah we'll do the sit-ups you get. The six pack is as compelling an offer as we can make. And so we're now six weeks. Six weeks into that proof Certainly proof that life's not fair, exactly. So we're six weeks in and it's very, but it's really. We're positioning it as a combination of Really super skilled virtual assistant who's actually gonna do the work, compared to a coach who just tells you what to do but it's not gonna do it for you. So it's really all that sweet spot. But even then, dan, it's still getting everything set up and going through things I said so much of it is just about Getting things into orbit. \n\nLike once the systems are set up and once the things are in place, it's much easier. But you have to go through this, the van Allen belt, where you're getting pummeled with meteorites and space junk and Fear, and there's all these thoughts that that people have because it's new to them and they're good, everything they've got to make sure everything fits with their brand, and there there's a lot of questions and then what's gonna happen and all of that, that stuff. But very already people are getting Results. We'd send some may, sent out their first world's most interesting postcard, got a eight hundred thousand dollar listing and as a referral and then sold that person another house. I'll all and closed it all in this first six weeks. Somebody else did. Some of the listing multipliers had an open house. \n\nMm-hmm found a buyer for that house and so it all works. It's just the getting understanding what those the bankable results are, what the outcomes are. \n\nDan: Yeah, the interesting thing I did another tool in addition to the when are you great, and it's called crucial ABC questions and what you do as you have people brainstorm, growth problems. In other words, there they have a real opportunity for growth, but there's a problem and and you have them do that for a couple minutes and they can do it in their personal life, they can do it in their business life, whatever suits them. And Then you ask them take each of the growth problems and you ask them three questions, abc. \n\nAnd a is there any way I can solve this problem by doing nothing? And the answer is usually no, they have to. They have to communicate something. They have to. They have to communicate. Maybe it's a decision they have to make and and, but that clarifies them that it's a lot simpler than them, because when you hear about problem, this is gonna is gonna require a lot of time. \n\nThere's gonna require a lot of effort and I'm already doing a lot of things and now I got a selfless problem. But if you ask the first question, is there any way that the problem can solve itself? All of a sudden, it clarifies your thinking down to a very simple level and then the question be, as what's the least that I will have to do to solve this problem? \n\nDean: Okay, and again. \n\nDan: It refines what you came up with. Question a and. I have to communicate, what's the fastest way I communicate and to whom? And in such a way, that's it for me, then I don't have to do anything, I just have to communicate. I just have to communicate one thing. And then the third question, which I think I'm gonna see what your response to it is who's the? Who can do my least? \n\nDean: I Agree with that a hundred percent. That fits now neatly with a tool. I've been working on that's. I've been calling three L's and Whenever we're not getting something done, it usually falls into three Categories. \n\nIt's either a logic problem, meaning we don't know what to do. That's so we got to figure out. Do you know what to do about this Situation? And then, if you do know what to do, the next thing is a logistics Problem. Do you know how to do this or what actually needs to be done, what are the sequential steps? And I like that idea of what's the least that you can do logistically to get this handle and if you know what to do, and and you know what needs to be done and how it needs to be done. The third is Olympic problem that there's some emotional block, something that you're not taking action because your thinking is off on this, and that is watered down From I heard somewhat Andrew Tate. Actually, I heard a thing he talked about. There's only three reasons that he was using Broke, the only. There's only three reasons you're broke it's either lazy, arrogant, or You're lazy, stupid or arrogant and I thought those are like down the emotional words all the way up to 11. \n\nBut I started looking at it that if you take stupid as the dialing the thing is Yours. \n\nDan: As much easier to take your three else as much easier to take and the reason is you can be a perfectly good person, intelligent person, a creative person, but you don't understand the logic of the situation. \n\nThat's perfectly acceptable and you don't know the logistics yeah you don't know what the logistics and the limbic one is. You hadn't thought about it, but now that you bring up the topic, yeah, there is an issue. Yeah, I'll give you a really great example of that. We had a Prezone client about three or four years ago and he came up with a great technological breakthrough in the medical industry that allowed, using virtual reality, allows students and medical colleges to experience every organ and his case it was the face and the head because he was. \n\nHe was a cosmetic surgeon and he and he and instead of seeing that as a two-dimensional illustration in Textbook, they put gone goggles and they actually walked into a room. That was the inside of the organ and then it had 17 different elements to it that spoke to you when you put a laser beam on. So he had laser beam, he was at his oculus you know oculus flies around and then he had a laser beam and when he talked to it would explain itself and then it would say how it was connected to another thing in the organ and he could just go in 360 degrees and the whole the organ would announce itself to us. It would describe itself to him and the. He showed it to medical schools and they went Gaga. He showed it to technological companies and they went Gaga and. \n\nAnyways, that's where he was when he demonstrated it to us in free zone. And then, 90 days later, I came back and I said how's it going? You got, have you launched with anything? He says nah, there's, there's some, some issues. I haven't started out yet and Anyway, and I couldn't see how any of the issues would relate to being successful in the marketplace. All you have to do is walk somebody through it. It's crack, right, show them, show it to them right, have them just go through and it sells itself. \n\nSo then 90 day, another 90 days, so we're a half a year down the road and we're talking you still. I said I had to chat to you about this and he said I said yeah, I said let me take a, let me take a, you know, let me guess what I think your problem is here. And yeah, he says okay. I said it's okay for you to split half of what you've earned up until now, but it's not okay to split 50% of the future. And he said yeah, that's exactly it. And I said how long have you known that this day was coming? And he said 17 years. And I said okay, that's good, you're practiced at it. \n\nAnd I said so if it's three years from now and nothing's changed, is that okay for you? And he says no, it's not. I said two years, no. I said one year, no. I said next 90 days and he said no. I got him down to two weeks and he started everything in motion the first week after the program. And that's a. That's a that might be all three. Three packed into one. \n\nDean: It's the progression right, like it's usually. It is the way you just described, that's it's Olympic thing and that clarity, once you really understand that, that's the big and it gets you. That's more like you can walk through then what the action is. \n\nDan: But you realize that yeah, yeah, but I don't like that notion of stupidity and lazy. There's lots of reasons people are broke. They're not Exactly. \n\nDean: And that's what I said in. The noble thing of the lazy is really that it could fall down into that they don't know the logistics of what to do or they're busy is a very noble thing that they would go into, that they're too busy, and then that's what I did is that's how I dialed them down to logic. \n\nDan: Yeah, I try making a. I find moral insults never work. \n\nDean: Absolutely. That's exactly right and that's where, when you break it down clinically like that, the logic, logistics and limbic, those are the. \n\nDan: Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, I think you got a winner. \n\nDean: We'll put that up there with VCR formula. That's good. \n\nDan: You got a winner. Have you gotten a smart contract on the two of them yet? \n\nDean: No. \n\nDan: I have not. Yeah, you should give Kerry Oberbrunner a call. He can have them date stamped today. Call him. Call him and he'll, just within 24 hours, he'll give you a black chain smart contract, both of them. \n\nDean: I like it. \n\nDan: Yeah, I like it. That way nobody will be able to steal break into the season's Valhalla and steal your latest ideas. \n\nDean: It's all happening right here. Yeah, the idea lab at the four seasons, valhalla. \n\nDan: They'll probably just take off over the golf course and you wouldn't be able to track them down. \n\nDean: That's right, exactly so funny. Are you in Toronto for a while now, or what's your First a? \n\nDan: week, and then we're back to Buenos Aires next Saturday. \n\nDean: We go back to Buenos Aires another week. How's your new knees? \n\nDan: The knee, we were told takes six months for the missing cartilage to regrow. So they said you won't really feel a difference for three months after we did it, so we're a month away, but I will tell you the IV that we did for RAIN, where they put stem cells into our brain is noticeable progress. \n\nI really will notice the difference and it shows up in another sort of therapy that I'm doing, which is neuro potential, and I think I've described this to you and I do it once a week when I'm here, and I've done it three times since I came back from Argentina, and what it is that they put sensors on my hip 19 sensors, and it's like a net. We're, we're, you have to go to do that again Right at Alan Expressway in Shepherd. It's just above and I had to check whether I needed a passport or I need right extra oxygen with me or shot, yeah, yeah. \n\nDean: And they told me. \n\nDan: No, yeah, they told me they probably advanced, and they. You can just Come from the beaches to that area now without any worry, you can actually do it without worry now. And but what it is? It's 40 minutes I've done. I had done 30 in the last year and showed noticeable progress. \n\nAnd I'll tell you what the progress is that I've been diagnosed with a backward brain OK, and I've been doing a backward being that in the middle of the night I'm doing creative, productive work that I should be doing in the middle of the day, yeah, and in the middle of the day I am attempting to dose and and that would probably be one of the reasons why Adderall was a very attractive drug for me, because it woke me up Over a long period of time has negative effects on your nervous system. \n\nSo anyway, I came back and here's how it goes, dean, when you go through the 40 minutes, probably five, six times, the screen will go black and the sound goes out, even though the movie keeps going on. So you're watching a favorite movie. I chose Foils War really whopping good British production from 15 years ago, about a homicide detective who is solving murders during the Second World War. So that's called Foils War, and he's getting resistance from higher officials because there's dodgy dealing going on with higher officials in the British government that are wealthy people who are trying to protect themselves. \n\nSo anyway, it's very grossing, and usually five, six times during the 40 minute period the screen will go black and then what happens is you don't have to do anything, your brain just notices that things have gone dark, the sound's gone off, it was correct, it was the input back. So it's a constant feedback. And then you get better at it. And then the technician you have a technician sitting with you and she, they're all she's. She will increase the difficulty for next time and that's gone out now for about 30, 30 sessions. Before I went to Argentina and, and really noticeable results, when I do intelligence test, mental test, you can see the difference. That's actually done it and now mostly so. Anyway, I come back a week after we got back I went to my first session and I go 40 minutes and no blackouts and no, no loss of sound, and I get to the end of the session. Now these technicians are very rigorously connected that they give human feedback for what's going on. \n\nThey're just, they're just adjusting the sensors or whatever they're making notes, but they're making notes, but they're not telling you what the notes are. \n\nDean: No reinforcement or stimulus. \n\nDan: I get to the end of the first session and she looks at me with a big smile and she said that was fantastic. She said I've never seen that before. Yes, she said, I've never seen anyone go through all 40 minutes without this being going out. Now it did blur a little bit, but it never, went black and the sound didn't go up. \n\nOkay, that was three weeks ago. And then two weeks ago I did it again and it just edged into the black once, even though she had increased the difficulty. She had increased the difficulty just a little bit, went in half a second and then it came back and that was it. And yesterday I went in 40 minutes and no black, no sundown, even though she had increased the difficulty again. She said this is quite exceptional. She said I have not seen this kind of progress being made. I think it's because of the stem cells to my brain, which I will get again the week after next month? \n\nDean: Wow, are you still going to osteosteostrong, or is that the place? \n\nDan: Yeah, I was in osteostrong yesterday. Yeah, Interesting. I haven't been doing much other work exercise so I've maintained basically where I am with osteostrong and really good. I mean they have a thing called double standard. When I do double standard, I'm strong enough my legs, my arms and everything else. So it means that I haven't lost any strength over the last 14 months. I haven't lost it, which is good, which is very good, and actually I've actually gained strength. I've showed plenty of progress. \n\nDean: But so far. I had a nice Zoom with our osteopath friend from London who was in the three years on Intra. \n\nDan: Tehira, tehira, tehira, yes. \n\nDean: He's very passionate about osteo. \n\nDan: Very passionate, yeah, very passionate, yeah. He just needs to do one little mindset change. Is mindset change? Do you want to know what it is? I do, of course. He wants to save the world. \n\nDean: Yes, I got that great tune. He wants to save them from something that doesn't present as an imminent danger. It's a chronic long. You don't have any evidence that there's anything wrong, until you fall and break your hip. \n\nDan: He's got a limbic obstacle, you hit it on the head. \n\nDean: You hit it exactly there. It's so funny that you said he wants to save the world. My advice to him I said we've got to prove evidence. It's so funny because I hadn't heard you go through that exercise. But all the things that he was talking about are left side things. That are the things I was showing. I said to him it's very interesting, but what could you do that would make let's call it that liver puddleans. How could we make headline news that liver puddleans have the strongest bones in the world or that there's eliminated? The downside of this that was something that, if you're going to save the world, you've certainly got to start. I heard that one time Bono from U2. There was a movie called Killing Bono, but for years they would be dubbed as the second best band in Dublin. If your goal is to be the biggest band in the world, you've certainly got to be the biggest band in Dublin. \n\nIf we're going to save all the world from the negative impact of osteo health. How could we start with liver pool and make liver puddleans that help with bones in the world. \n\nDan: My attitude is can you do it with one person? \n\nDean: First question can you do it with? \n\nDan: one person. I said, if you can do it with one person, I think you know 50% of what's needed to do it with 10 people. \n\nDean: Then you get to 10. \n\nDan: Now you know 50% of what it takes to get 100 people. Just work up your capability and confidence. That way it's a lot easier. \n\nDean: That's the scale-ready algorithm. Once you figure out how to do it, once you've got some evidence. But until you do it a second time or for 10, you're so right on. That's how we approach marketing problems. \n\nDan: I called the Singapore model. Singapore was a lawless Southeast Asia primed all the criminals within the 1,000 miles of Singapore. This is where they went. They had their warehouses there, they did their deals there, they recruited people. Singapore became independent of Great Britain in 1965. \n\nIt was mainly the work of one family, the Lee family. They're still in charge. It's 60 years down the road and they're still in charge. It's a big harbor, it's one of the better harbors in Southeast Asia. They said let's get together some muscle People who know how to give hard knocks to hard people. They went in and they said in the first six months we cleared the entire block that surrounds on land, the block of houses and buildings that surround the harbor. At the end of six months they're crime-free. \n\nThey did it Not without pushback but they overcame the pushback. Then they said over the next six months, let's clear two blocks in from what we've already achieved. \n\nDean: They did Now they had three blocks. \n\nDan: This was the most important real estate from a commercial standpoint in Singapore. Then they said now we're going to go four more blocks in. By the end of the next six months we'll have seven blocks. The criminals all got the message and left the city. \n\nDean: Wow, that's pretty amazing. Yeah, that's the wisdom right Is getting it into the thing of one. \n\nDan: Get a foothold that you can learn from. \n\nDean: Yes, I agree. \n\nDan: Yeah, I think that saving the world First of all, I don't even know what the world is. I don't know what saving. That means I wouldn't know where to start. I wouldn't know how to keep score. When do I actually get to be happy? \n\nDean: Yes, so amazing. I love it. I can't believe it's been an hour, but this was fantastic yeah. \n\nDan: I'll be just arriving Next week. I'll just be arriving and playing this series. It'll be the wheel. I'll just see Becca, because we're time difference, two hour time difference. Let's see if we can sneak one in during the week. \n\nDean: Okay, I'll never no no. \n\nDan: Dean and Dan, don't do sneaking. No, that's exactly right. \n\nDean: I'll leave it in tension. \n\nDan: Becca will be with us. We take Becca with us, so Becca will do it. I just do it right at the Four Seasons Hotel and playing this series. Okay, no, anyway great to chat. \n\nDean: Okay, dan, I'll talk to you soon. Bye. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eToday on Welcome to Cloudlandia, we explore the effectiveness of small gatherings and the meaningful conversations that can be had through them. We talk about how small workshops help establish a richer exchange where each voice can fully engage. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe examine the nuanced difference between self-promotion and truly understanding clients, inspired by Walter Payton\u0026#39;s philosophy of emphasizing outcomes over features. Entrepreneurs rethink their approach after test-driving innovative thinking tools highlighting benefits. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eLater, we unpack exercises that optimize communication and outcomes. The \u0026#39;who, not how\u0026#39; focus and \u0026#39;self-milking cow\u0026#39; concept streamline processes.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDean explores the influence of group size on workshop conversation quality and how smaller groups encourage more unified discussions.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eA new thinking tool inspired by Walter Payton is discussed, which prompts entrepreneurs to emphasize outcomes and benefits in their market presentation.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe touch on the importance of 'field reports' over 'book reports' for showcasing tangible, real-world business success stories.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003ePersonal testimonials from entrepreneurs highlight the Strategic Coach program's transformative effects on both their personal lives and businesses.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDean shares insights on achieving \"dream come true\" outcomes for clients, stressing the importance of being genuinely interested in clients' experiences.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eA health practitioner's journey is spotlighted, from selling a low-cost ebook to offering a comprehensive service for reversing type 2 diabetes.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eThe concept of the 'self-milking cow' and the 'who, not how' approach is examined for improving efficiency in lead generation and client relationship management.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eInitial success stories from the real estate division's accelerator program demonstrate the practical results of innovative business models.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDan shares his personal health journey with stem cell therapy and neurofeedback, noting improvements in cognitive function and overall wellness.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe discuss the role of blockchain and smart contracts in protecting intellectual property, with a nod to Dean's experiences after returning from Argentina.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Sullivan. Ah, mr Jackson, welcome back to. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Cloudlandia. The world is still going on as it was before. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It was the best times it was. Mr Times, welcome back. You\u0026#39;ve been expanding your footprint on the planet. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I have. I have yeah, I\u0026#39;ve got to do something about that. I\u0026#39;m maybe a new pair of shoes or something like that. Yeah, we were at Genius in Scottsdale and then we were in Chicago for a week and we did the smaller free zone workshop, which is different because you know, it was about 20. We had about 20 and it\u0026#39;s very interesting. I\u0026#39;ve never really quite figured out what is the optimal size group where you get the best conversation but it\u0026#39;s just different. You get different kinds of conversations. I agree, yeah, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I find out with my breakthrough. Blueprint events same thing, Like. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ewhat I find is 12 is the maximum size If you want to have one conversation. We\u0026#39;re around one boardroom table, everybody could see the whites of everybody\u0026#39;s eyes and keeping the conversation all front and center. When you get even to 14 people, you get into a situation where you end up having fractured conversations. You got a conversation over at this end of the table and it\u0026#39;s less. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s harder to have a breakout conversation in a small group of 10 or 12 than it is in 14 or 16 or 20. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, very interesting. Yeah, we push for the 40 to 50, and then we have individual breakout groups throughout the day and make sure it depends on what your objective is. I think with your case it\u0026#39;s very important that they get a unified sort of understanding of the eight profit maximizers. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Activators. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, activators, yeah, I think you should make a maximum, since you\u0026#39;re going for profit anyway, I think you that\u0026#39;s right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s exactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You\u0026#39;re putting in the work. You\u0026#39;re putting in the work anyway. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s the advanced program. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We\u0026#39;ll start out with the activators yeah, yeah, first they learn the activators where they\u0026#39;re again. We just gave you 50 more years of future, just in a single conversation. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, I tried out two new tools and the thinking tools in the free zone workshop and one of them really had a big impact and it\u0026#39;s from a quote from Walter Payton, who is a very famous, running back in the national football league Hall of Fame, chicago Bears and he had and I heard this about seven, eight months ago Reddit and it has just kept bouncing around in my head and usually when that happens over a period of months, I\u0026#39;m supposed to do something with the thought and the thought is when you\u0026#39;re good, you tell everybody. When you\u0026#39;re great, everybody tells you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, that\u0026#39;s very good, and so I like that yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I came up with a one page layout structure where they can put in certain experiences, and but you know, I had them do. One was when you\u0026#39;re good, what do you tell them? And then the other column was when you\u0026#39;re great, what do they tell you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then we had a brainstorm for two minutes each for each column and they wrote down about five things on one and five things down on the other and the statements were starkly different. They were for me. I did the sample copy and they were starkly different. Yeah, and I wonder what you think about that, because I haven\u0026#39;t really put names to what\u0026#39;s happening there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut, it seems to me that, first of all, we\u0026#39;re using our experience on the left hand side, which is the good side, as a contrast to the great side, and we\u0026#39;re saying this is what we do and this is how we present it, and this is the steps that you\u0026#39;ll go through, and this is this. These are the names of the tools that you\u0026#39;re going to be using. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But on the other side. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They\u0026#39;re completely different and they the comments they come back or how they\u0026#39;ve taken the tools and used them and what they\u0026#39;ve done to their life. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s my initial thought, that I think that on the left side the good side I think that people would tend to focus on features of what they and on the right side would be reporting of benefit. I think that\u0026#39;s a good. That\u0026#39;s probably accurate, that they\u0026#39;re talking in terms of results and the left side would be talking about the process and result, ideas and outcomes. I think you could have a whole vocabulary of left and right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Very interesting, because what I did then is pick the three best from both sides, so there\u0026#39;s a little lower column and they pick the three best. I says you can rewrite them based on your first draft, your first draft and now you do a second draft. And then I say I\u0026#39;d like you to go to the triple play sheet and see if you can combine left and right in three of the arrows. That starts the triple play. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd they did. And then they go through the pink boxes and then they go through the green boxes and then they go into breakout groups and they talk about. They came back and to a person when we got back they said I\u0026#39;ve got to completely rethink how we\u0026#39;re presenting ourselves in the marketplace. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s interesting, isn\u0026#39;t it? The whole when you start looking at it\u0026#39;s a difficult thing for people to think about presenting outcomes or the benefits of promised land, the destination, and especially if you are at the hypothesis stage that you\u0026#39;re projecting what the results, the intended results, are, compared to reporting on the documented, actual results. That\u0026#39;s whether it\u0026#39;s a theory or a real thing. I think that\u0026#39;s probably part of when you\u0026#39;re good, when you think you\u0026#39;ve got an idea that some outcome is going to be and you think that this process is what\u0026#39;s going to get the outcome, and you have to, you know, hype that up a little bit to get people excited or in intellectually involved in the idea that this outcome is possible, which is very different than a field report. I call it often difference. We use the term of book reports versus field reports and yeah, but he\u0026#39;s got, a field report is an actual, documented, here\u0026#39;s what happened on the outcome kind of thing as opposed to. I think if we go this way, we\u0026#39;ll get the results in theory. My calculations tell me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, what was interesting was people zeroed in on your statement and it was mentioned two or three times that the left hand side, where you\u0026#39;re telling your good story, it\u0026#39;s a convincing argument. The right hand side, it\u0026#39;s a compelling offer. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, that\u0026#39;s the. That\u0026#39;s exactly it. That was my thought. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s why I say that is that a compelling offer is 10 times more powerful than a convincing argument, and that\u0026#39;s when you\u0026#39;re at the level when you\u0026#39;re at the level where you can make a compelling offer is because you have certainty around it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eRight, that\u0026#39;s what\u0026#39;s compelling. I think I was thinking about that a lot like the guessing and betting is that when you\u0026#39;re what you\u0026#39;re trying to, if you\u0026#39;re focused on the left side, the good side you\u0026#39;re trying to present enough convincing arguments to get people to place a bet on there but they\u0026#39;re the one you\u0026#39;re trying to get them to place the bet, and that\u0026#39;s the whole purchase order versus receiving doc. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eanalogy of that you\u0026#39;re going to the purchasing department trying to get them to write and fund a purchase order to get a future delivery of a result or an outcome, whereas if you were able to go to the delivery, you\u0026#39;re able to go to the receiving doc with the results that you\u0026#39;re met with open arms. It\u0026#39;s interesting, right? That\u0026#39;s a yeah. Chris Rock, the comedian, once said about crack nobody sells crack, crack sells itself. You got some crack in your mouth. People will be knocking on your door at three in the morning. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You don\u0026#39;t have to go out in the cell. Yeah, oh man yeah, the sample does the selling. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s exactly right. That is exactly right yeah. Yeah, and I think that\u0026#39;s really the thing when you look at the. What was the? What was some of the highlights of the great side? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e What were some of the highlights that stood out, or even yeah, I was just thinking because I was a genius network last when in not this past Friday and Saturday, but the week before and. I didn\u0026#39;t have any presentation during the during the two and a half days. Yeah, that was I was streaming, by the way, yeah and. But I was running in the hallway when we were out on breaks. I was running into strategic coach clients who\u0026#39;ve been in the program for 20, 25 years, but this is the first time I\u0026#39;ve met them because, they\u0026#39;ve had other coach. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey\u0026#39;ve had other coaches and at least three of them came up to me and they almost had tears in their eyes. I said I just want to tell you this has transformed every part of my life. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Just being in the coach Wow. And I talked to them where they were before they came in the coach and what the difference was as a result of going to the workshops and and it was pretty, pretty steady throughout the two days when I was just out wandering, when there was, someone else would be with them and they\u0026#39;d say things like this saved my life and everything like that. And I was just noticing but I really didn\u0026#39;t tell the other person what strategic coach was, except that it had a transformative effect. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I think the there\u0026#39;s another thing. We I talked about convincing argument and compelling offer, but I think the other thing is that on the left, you\u0026#39;re aiming for a transaction. On the right, you\u0026#39;re hearing about a transformation. Yes, agreed, yeah, yeah, that\u0026#39;s. And I told people that if you don\u0026#39;t, if you don\u0026#39;t have anything that you can think of, that you would write down. On the right hand side, on the great side, I said marketing isn\u0026#39;t your problem. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s exactly right. You\u0026#39;ve got to be able to. You\u0026#39;ve got to, and once you\u0026#39;re able to document the outcome, that\u0026#39;s what. That\u0026#39;s funny, because that\u0026#39;s exercise number one that we do. I have a breakthrough blueprint starting tomorrow at celebration, and one of the way the first thing we start out is with the dream come true on both ends. We define the equation as what would be the dream come true for you. First off, what is it that you\u0026#39;re looking to build? What do you really want from your business here? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eLet\u0026#39;s start with that, and what are you really good at? I get to get people to strip away the goggles that they\u0026#39;ve been looking through of their existing business. This is what typically they get caught in. That left side of this is what we do, but I say I was trying to get them to think we\u0026#39;re talking about new. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNow. We\u0026#39;re talking about business, new business that you haven\u0026#39;t already done. So what are you capable of right now? That\u0026#39;s why I say that people like what is it? What\u0026#39;s the best thing that you could do for somebody? If they would just get out of the way and let you do it for them Without not what you can convince them to pay for or not what you can constrain through the current delivery system that you have in place, just what is what\u0026#39;s the best outcome that you could create for somebody would be a dream come true for them and then who? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ewould that person have to be? And that\u0026#39;s where we then segue that into profit activated number one, which is select a single target market. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s really interesting that and that\u0026#39;s another distinction. Taking what you just said and going back and looking at the when you\u0026#39;re great, when are you great tool, if you died and people showed up at your funeral, which side would they talk about? Yeah, I went through Jesus. I went. He told me about all sorts of profit act. It was really great. I\u0026#39;m not sure it did him any good. We\u0026#39;re at his funeral so. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI don\u0026#39;t know if it did take any good, yeah, but I just think that one thing that it requires for you to fill in the right hand side, the great side is that you, first of all, you have to be interested in what people\u0026#39;s outcomes are. You have to be interested in what their actual experience is there and you have to take them seriously. You\u0026#39;re getting real market research? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yeah, that\u0026#39;s why I say this is. It\u0026#39;s amazing to see what people talk about when they imagine the best thing they could do for somebody. What they\u0026#39;re capable of is far more than what they\u0026#39;re currently offering to people, and it\u0026#39;s so funny because that\u0026#39;s the way that their business is set up is to. Their delivery pipes are calibrated for what they think they can convince people to pay for. It\u0026#39;s not anything to do with what the outcome is. It\u0026#39;s very interesting to me to see this play out again and again, because people light up when they get into describing the outcomes, because that question demands an outcome. It\u0026#39;s not about what\u0026#39;s your best, what\u0026#39;s your process, it\u0026#39;s about. That\u0026#39;s why I say what\u0026#39;s the best thing that you could deliver for somebody? The dream come true experience for them. That would be that you\u0026#39;re capable of what\u0026#39;s the best result you could deliver, and it\u0026#39;s amazing to see that people are often there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe went from had one conversation with a Health practitioner who was doing they had a real protocol for reversing type 2 diabetes and they were selling a $17 Eba about it right, like trying to get people, and I was saying how could you? What would be the best thing that you could do for somebody if you could Charge $17,000 for it, what would be? What it\u0026#39;s not knowing the protocol, it\u0026#39;s complying with the protocol, is the issue right? And if you could deliver the result, if you could reverse their diabetes in spite of them? That\u0026#39;s where the real Thing would you know. And where I got that was I had read at that time, I had finished reading, I think it\u0026#39;s Alan Dyke world had a great book called change or die. And Did you ever read that book? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e doesn\u0026#39;t rain. A bell no. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, it was very interesting. I give you the short kind of summary version of it that the premise of the book is if your life depended on you changing, do you think that you could make a change? And and yeah, the evidence says no. The evidence says no where you can\u0026#39;t and the evidence that they used. They took different scenarios, one of which was heart patients, cardiac patients, people who have just had bypassed surgeries, and you would think like that\u0026#39;s a life or death situation, that People you\u0026#39;ve had it and I\u0026#39;m sure the doctor says you listen, you need to Straighten up here and fly right. You need to change your ways or you\u0026#39;re gonna die and they go back and some crazy number like 80 plus percent of people who have had bypass surgeries One year later have made no significant changes in their lifestyle. And it\u0026#39;s it was very interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo Dean Ornish created a protocol where he convinced mutual of Omaha to Divert cohort of people who were eligible for bypass surgery that the insurance would pay for, which at the time was Over a hundred thousand dollars for per patient to have that. So he diverted them into an intervention program where they sequestered them for 30 days and controlled every ounce of food that went in there in their body. They had access to counseling and group work and Meditation and stress management and yoga and physical therapy all of these things. Starting stripping back to just really addressing the why, the issue of why are they doing? The behaviors that led to this, this issue and the average after the 30 days result was an average weight loss of 28 pounds, of reduction in the angina by 96%. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ePeople who couldn\u0026#39;t climb a flight of stairs were walking Two miles. This whole complete turnaround of Things in 30 days. And then at 30 days, they sent them home with access to a chef and a personal trainer and counseling and group you know, group counseling as well for a year and then they were on their own after the year and At the end of three years, 77% of the people had Maintained the changes that they made in the in the program because they built the change from the inside out and Also from the outside in. At the same time, it was they were removed from the environment that made their bad decisions and took their Took willpower out of the equation, took the other things, that just totally immersion for 30 days where they saw the benefit of the things without having the white knuckle the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWillpower to comply with the protocols. I thought, man, that\u0026#39;s very interesting, because that\u0026#39;s the same thing that happens in any type of Change. Right, that was just a really good, that was just a really good example of it. Can you see the same thing? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e my approach. Yeah yeah, my approach would be different. They won\u0026#39;t make a change if they don\u0026#39;t have a new future. That\u0026#39;s bigger than what the life that they\u0026#39;ve been leading. So that must happen. That must happen in the test that they In the vision. They envision themselves almost acquiring a new capability by making the change that creates a bigger future. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s really interesting in the political campaign. I\u0026#39;m just looking at it and it\u0026#39;s driving the Striving. The journalist is driving the pollsters, is driving one side of the political spectrum. Absolutely crazy that With Trump you have at least four indictments which the Prosecutors are hoping him to put him in jail there by making them in there eligible for the election next year. But actually there\u0026#39;s nothing in the Constitution that says that\u0026#39;s true, doesn\u0026#39;t say you can\u0026#39;t be under indictment and get elected president of the United States. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut the other thing is that his numbers keep going up with each new indictment and they can\u0026#39;t comprehend that and because on their side of the party and indictment would be the end of your career. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd they\u0026#39;re trying to figure out why an indictment on his side the other thing is, as far as I can tell, the president Biden right now is Trying to get us to believe that things are really good. Things are really good and that Biden economics has Really been a breakthrough for the United States. It\u0026#39;s just that when people don\u0026#39;t go to the grocery store, they don\u0026#39;t feel that way when they go to the gas station. They don\u0026#39;t feel that way. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd and that their line seems to be. Who you gonna believe? Are you gonna believe us or you gonna believe your own line? I the nearest. Are you gonna believe here? And but what Trump says is mega, make America great again. Let\u0026#39;s make a great again yeah, and it just seems to be to me a more compelling offer. Then, yeah, things are better than you\u0026#39;ve ever had them before. It just seems to be a better offer. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, one seems to be a tempt at a convincing argument and the other one is a compelling offer and part is a lot of American yeah, I think his whole thing that if you stack it up, it is all. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Let\u0026#39;s talk it out. Think about that. Is that what\u0026#39;s happening on the left side and the right side? No no correlation between left and right politically. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I just. Coincidentally, it turns out that Trump\u0026#39;s Big things are all compelling offers. Make America great yeah. Build the wall America first him. Drain the swamp yeah. Those are all outcomes that are Compelling in themselves. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Let\u0026#39;s prevent China from cheating us and soft the way we\u0026#39;ve been yeah let\u0026#39;s stop the endless wars, the endless wars and Everything. And he\u0026#39;s just picking up and I think he\u0026#39;s operating on the right side of the First of all is he\u0026#39;s operating on the great side because he\u0026#39;s got to work great and there\u0026#39;s as compelling offer make make America and just you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I was gonna say you talk about great. I saw an interview where he was. They were pressure him into picking a side between Ukraine and Russia, like who\u0026#39;s in the wrong? This was prior to Israel and I\u0026#39;m not same kind of thing and his answer was I want people to stop dying. That what a great like Car right it\u0026#39;s. I want people to stop dying. They\u0026#39;re killing themselves, they\u0026#39;re killing each other. That\u0026#39;s yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah yeah, and it just struck me that they are making up stories on the left-hand side About, about he\u0026#39;s a dictator and he\u0026#39;s appealing to the worst instincts of the American people and everything like that. But my real sense is he\u0026#39;s speaking a completely different language that people on the left don\u0026#39;t understand. They, they, they talk, and it\u0026#39;s the difference between Talking about efficiency and talking about effective. You know they\u0026#39;ll say, well, we\u0026#39;re doing things more efficiently than we were before. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s just that you\u0026#39;re doing things more efficiently that we don\u0026#39;t really want. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah that\u0026#39;s. I\u0026#39;m glad you\u0026#39;re making yourself feel good about what you\u0026#39;re doing, but nothing that you\u0026#39;re doing really makes us feel good. And anyway, I just find it find it interesting that one of them has a greater grasp of what people\u0026#39;s experience. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Actually, is yes, yeah, that\u0026#39;s, yeah. That\u0026#39;s a pretty, it\u0026#39;s a compelling exercise actually. Get a great have a great, a great outcome. So what, then, is the action from that? What? What\u0026#39;s the? Yeah, when you presented that as an exercise, to what end? What\u0026#39;s the next? What\u0026#39;s the? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e the I made it like got my results in the go-around when we were wrapping up the exercise because every person in the room said I\u0026#39;ve got some redesign To do in terms of our message and what we\u0026#39;re actually doing to generate great site commenter. Are we doing the things that would generate that, the same thing as I think one side is doing and the other side is being on the one side, you\u0026#39;re describing what you\u0026#39;re going to be doing with them and on the other side. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou\u0026#39;re going to describe how you\u0026#39;re going to experience as Result of going through the protocol as we are going to know what would be an example of people having completed the Profit activator, so you\u0026#39;re later. What would be some of the things that they would say a year later? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so certainly my, I have. I have an engine that delivers leads for a. I\u0026#39;ve generated a thousand new prospects from a book that I wrote and as a download, and then on the lead conversion Process that they\u0026#39;re they\u0026#39;ve, they\u0026#39;re collaborating with people at a higher level in terms of the delivering the outcomes for people, opening up a whole new who now, I\u0026#39;m excuse me, who, not how opportunity up like a perfect example that we\u0026#39;re going through right now in our real estate division is I have, excuse me, all of the things that that people can do to get certain outcomes. Everything that we talk about is tied to a, a key metric, a deliverable outcome for people, and so I went through and looked at each of the outcomes that we\u0026#39;re delivering, meaning, let\u0026#39;s say, for getting referrals and repeat business. Our key metric for that is that we manage their relationship portfolio for a 20% annual yield. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo our thing is that they have a hundred and fifty people that know them, like them, trust them, and that they should be able to generate 30 transactions from that outcome now I went through and looked at all the things on the left side that you have to do to get that and I started looking at it from the self milking cow a the who, not how, way of what. If we were responsible for helping them, that kind of the Jordan Peterson model, right adapted for this Situation. What would we do if we were responsible for helping them? And I started realizing there\u0026#39;s very little that requires them. I could do Under with our team. We could do do almost everything for them and the things that we can\u0026#39;t do could be done in 130 minute phone call a week with a coach. And so we could, from that 30 minute milking session, get all the milk that we need to pasteurize and turn into the products. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe could Identify who their top 150 are. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe could get them set up in there in their go agent CRM. We could we have the world\u0026#39;s most interesting postcard that we could print and mail To all of their people. We can create a Google map that drops a pin when all of their top 150 are and then each week we could have a conversation with them and say, dan, who are you showing houses to this week? Who are you going to see about selling their house this week and we could look on the map and See if you\u0026#39;re showing houses in the beaches. You could look and see okay, I\u0026#39;ve got four people in my top 150 that live in the beaches in the certain neighborhoods where I\u0026#39;m going. If there\u0026#39;s a townhouse complex, say Riverrun, we could send an Email or a text to those four people and say hey, dan, I\u0026#39;m showing houses in Riverrun this week and there\u0026#39;s only a couple for sale right now. Have you heard anybody Talking about selling? Maybe we can match them up with this couple for a job bro or whatever it is, just do market making activities. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo, those things alone, we could do all of the work and I went through for all of the outcomes getting referrals, multiplying your listings, converting leads, finding buyers and getting listings. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThose are the, the bankable results that we, that we focus on and I identified that we can literally do every piece of it, and since I\u0026#39;ve started describing that to people, we just launched our accelerator program in November and I\u0026#39;ve been positioning it as a personal trainer. Like working with a personal trainer, where you will meet with you once a week, except, unlike working with a personal trainer, we\u0026#39;re gonna do the sit-ups and you\u0026#39;re gonna get the six pack. That\u0026#39;s really, that\u0026#39;s a compelling offer, right? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah we\u0026#39;ll do the sit-ups you get. The six pack is as compelling an offer as we can make. And so we\u0026#39;re now six weeks. Six weeks into that proof Certainly proof that life\u0026#39;s not fair, exactly. So we\u0026#39;re six weeks in and it\u0026#39;s very, but it\u0026#39;s really. We\u0026#39;re positioning it as a combination of Really super skilled virtual assistant who\u0026#39;s actually gonna do the work, compared to a coach who just tells you what to do but it\u0026#39;s not gonna do it for you. So it\u0026#39;s really all that sweet spot. But even then, dan, it\u0026#39;s still getting everything set up and going through things I said so much of it is just about Getting things into orbit. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eLike once the systems are set up and once the things are in place, it\u0026#39;s much easier. But you have to go through this, the van Allen belt, where you\u0026#39;re getting pummeled with meteorites and space junk and Fear, and there\u0026#39;s all these thoughts that that people have because it\u0026#39;s new to them and they\u0026#39;re good, everything they\u0026#39;ve got to make sure everything fits with their brand, and there there\u0026#39;s a lot of questions and then what\u0026#39;s gonna happen and all of that, that stuff. But very already people are getting Results. We\u0026#39;d send some may, sent out their first world\u0026#39;s most interesting postcard, got a eight hundred thousand dollar listing and as a referral and then sold that person another house. I\u0026#39;ll all and closed it all in this first six weeks. Somebody else did. Some of the listing multipliers had an open house. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eMm-hmm found a buyer for that house and so it all works. It\u0026#39;s just the getting understanding what those the bankable results are, what the outcomes are. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, the interesting thing I did another tool in addition to the when are you great, and it\u0026#39;s called crucial ABC questions and what you do as you have people brainstorm, growth problems. In other words, there they have a real opportunity for growth, but there\u0026#39;s a problem and and you have them do that for a couple minutes and they can do it in their personal life, they can do it in their business life, whatever suits them. And Then you ask them take each of the growth problems and you ask them three questions, abc. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd a is there any way I can solve this problem by doing nothing? And the answer is usually no, they have to. They have to communicate something. They have to. They have to communicate. Maybe it\u0026#39;s a decision they have to make and and, but that clarifies them that it\u0026#39;s a lot simpler than them, because when you hear about problem, this is gonna is gonna require a lot of time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere\u0026#39;s gonna require a lot of effort and I\u0026#39;m already doing a lot of things and now I got a selfless problem. But if you ask the first question, is there any way that the problem can solve itself? All of a sudden, it clarifies your thinking down to a very simple level and then the question be, as what\u0026#39;s the least that I will have to do to solve this problem? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, and again. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It refines what you came up with. Question a and. I have to communicate, what\u0026#39;s the fastest way I communicate and to whom? And in such a way, that\u0026#39;s it for me, then I don\u0026#39;t have to do anything, I just have to communicate. I just have to communicate one thing. And then the third question, which I think I\u0026#39;m gonna see what your response to it is who\u0026#39;s the? Who can do my least? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I Agree with that a hundred percent. That fits now neatly with a tool. I\u0026#39;ve been working on that\u0026#39;s. I\u0026#39;ve been calling three L\u0026#39;s and Whenever we\u0026#39;re not getting something done, it usually falls into three Categories. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s either a logic problem, meaning we don\u0026#39;t know what to do. That\u0026#39;s so we got to figure out. Do you know what to do about this Situation? And then, if you do know what to do, the next thing is a logistics Problem. Do you know how to do this or what actually needs to be done, what are the sequential steps? And I like that idea of what\u0026#39;s the least that you can do logistically to get this handle and if you know what to do, and and you know what needs to be done and how it needs to be done. The third is Olympic problem that there\u0026#39;s some emotional block, something that you\u0026#39;re not taking action because your thinking is off on this, and that is watered down From I heard somewhat Andrew Tate. Actually, I heard a thing he talked about. There\u0026#39;s only three reasons that he was using Broke, the only. There\u0026#39;s only three reasons you\u0026#39;re broke it\u0026#39;s either lazy, arrogant, or You\u0026#39;re lazy, stupid or arrogant and I thought those are like down the emotional words all the way up to 11. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut I started looking at it that if you take stupid as the dialing the thing is Yours. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e As much easier to take your three else as much easier to take and the reason is you can be a perfectly good person, intelligent person, a creative person, but you don\u0026#39;t understand the logic of the situation. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat\u0026#39;s perfectly acceptable and you don\u0026#39;t know the logistics yeah you don\u0026#39;t know what the logistics and the limbic one is. You hadn\u0026#39;t thought about it, but now that you bring up the topic, yeah, there is an issue. Yeah, I\u0026#39;ll give you a really great example of that. We had a Prezone client about three or four years ago and he came up with a great technological breakthrough in the medical industry that allowed, using virtual reality, allows students and medical colleges to experience every organ and his case it was the face and the head because he was. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHe was a cosmetic surgeon and he and he and instead of seeing that as a two-dimensional illustration in Textbook, they put gone goggles and they actually walked into a room. That was the inside of the organ and then it had 17 different elements to it that spoke to you when you put a laser beam on. So he had laser beam, he was at his oculus you know oculus flies around and then he had a laser beam and when he talked to it would explain itself and then it would say how it was connected to another thing in the organ and he could just go in 360 degrees and the whole the organ would announce itself to us. It would describe itself to him and the. He showed it to medical schools and they went Gaga. He showed it to technological companies and they went Gaga and. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnyways, that\u0026#39;s where he was when he demonstrated it to us in free zone. And then, 90 days later, I came back and I said how\u0026#39;s it going? You got, have you launched with anything? He says nah, there\u0026#39;s, there\u0026#39;s some, some issues. I haven\u0026#39;t started out yet and Anyway, and I couldn\u0026#39;t see how any of the issues would relate to being successful in the marketplace. All you have to do is walk somebody through it. It\u0026#39;s crack, right, show them, show it to them right, have them just go through and it sells itself. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo then 90 day, another 90 days, so we\u0026#39;re a half a year down the road and we\u0026#39;re talking you still. I said I had to chat to you about this and he said I said yeah, I said let me take a, let me take a, you know, let me guess what I think your problem is here. And yeah, he says okay. I said it\u0026#39;s okay for you to split half of what you\u0026#39;ve earned up until now, but it\u0026#39;s not okay to split 50% of the future. And he said yeah, that\u0026#39;s exactly it. And I said how long have you known that this day was coming? And he said 17 years. And I said okay, that\u0026#39;s good, you\u0026#39;re practiced at it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I said so if it\u0026#39;s three years from now and nothing\u0026#39;s changed, is that okay for you? And he says no, it\u0026#39;s not. I said two years, no. I said one year, no. I said next 90 days and he said no. I got him down to two weeks and he started everything in motion the first week after the program. And that\u0026#39;s a. That\u0026#39;s a that might be all three. Three packed into one. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s the progression right, like it\u0026#39;s usually. It is the way you just described, that\u0026#39;s it\u0026#39;s Olympic thing and that clarity, once you really understand that, that\u0026#39;s the big and it gets you. That\u0026#39;s more like you can walk through then what the action is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But you realize that yeah, yeah, but I don\u0026#39;t like that notion of stupidity and lazy. There\u0026#39;s lots of reasons people are broke. They\u0026#39;re not Exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And that\u0026#39;s what I said in. The noble thing of the lazy is really that it could fall down into that they don\u0026#39;t know the logistics of what to do or they\u0026#39;re busy is a very noble thing that they would go into, that they\u0026#39;re too busy, and then that\u0026#39;s what I did is that\u0026#39;s how I dialed them down to logic. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I try making a. I find moral insults never work. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Absolutely. That\u0026#39;s exactly right and that\u0026#39;s where, when you break it down clinically like that, the logic, logistics and limbic, those are the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s cool. Yeah, I think you got a winner. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We\u0026#39;ll put that up there with VCR formula. That\u0026#39;s good. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You got a winner. Have you gotten a smart contract on the two of them yet? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I have not. Yeah, you should give Kerry Oberbrunner a call. He can have them date stamped today. Call him. Call him and he\u0026#39;ll, just within 24 hours, he\u0026#39;ll give you a black chain smart contract, both of them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I like it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I like it. That way nobody will be able to steal break into the season\u0026#39;s Valhalla and steal your latest ideas. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s all happening right here. Yeah, the idea lab at the four seasons, valhalla. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They\u0026#39;ll probably just take off over the golf course and you wouldn\u0026#39;t be able to track them down. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s right, exactly so funny. Are you in Toronto for a while now, or what\u0026#39;s your First a? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e week, and then we\u0026#39;re back to Buenos Aires next Saturday. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We go back to Buenos Aires another week. How\u0026#39;s your new knees? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The knee, we were told takes six months for the missing cartilage to regrow. So they said you won\u0026#39;t really feel a difference for three months after we did it, so we\u0026#39;re a month away, but I will tell you the IV that we did for RAIN, where they put stem cells into our brain is noticeable progress. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI really will notice the difference and it shows up in another sort of therapy that I\u0026#39;m doing, which is neuro potential, and I think I\u0026#39;ve described this to you and I do it once a week when I\u0026#39;m here, and I\u0026#39;ve done it three times since I came back from Argentina, and what it is that they put sensors on my hip 19 sensors, and it\u0026#39;s like a net. We\u0026#39;re, we\u0026#39;re, you have to go to do that again Right at Alan Expressway in Shepherd. It\u0026#39;s just above and I had to check whether I needed a passport or I need right extra oxygen with me or shot, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And they told me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, yeah, they told me they probably advanced, and they. You can just Come from the beaches to that area now without any worry, you can actually do it without worry now. And but what it is? It\u0026#39;s 40 minutes I\u0026#39;ve done. I had done 30 in the last year and showed noticeable progress. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I\u0026#39;ll tell you what the progress is that I\u0026#39;ve been diagnosed with a backward brain OK, and I\u0026#39;ve been doing a backward being that in the middle of the night I\u0026#39;m doing creative, productive work that I should be doing in the middle of the day, yeah, and in the middle of the day I am attempting to dose and and that would probably be one of the reasons why Adderall was a very attractive drug for me, because it woke me up Over a long period of time has negative effects on your nervous system. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo anyway, I came back and here\u0026#39;s how it goes, dean, when you go through the 40 minutes, probably five, six times, the screen will go black and the sound goes out, even though the movie keeps going on. So you\u0026#39;re watching a favorite movie. I chose Foils War really whopping good British production from 15 years ago, about a homicide detective who is solving murders during the Second World War. So that\u0026#39;s called Foils War, and he\u0026#39;s getting resistance from higher officials because there\u0026#39;s dodgy dealing going on with higher officials in the British government that are wealthy people who are trying to protect themselves. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo anyway, it\u0026#39;s very grossing, and usually five, six times during the 40 minute period the screen will go black and then what happens is you don\u0026#39;t have to do anything, your brain just notices that things have gone dark, the sound\u0026#39;s gone off, it was correct, it was the input back. So it\u0026#39;s a constant feedback. And then you get better at it. And then the technician you have a technician sitting with you and she, they\u0026#39;re all she\u0026#39;s. She will increase the difficulty for next time and that\u0026#39;s gone out now for about 30, 30 sessions. Before I went to Argentina and, and really noticeable results, when I do intelligence test, mental test, you can see the difference. That\u0026#39;s actually done it and now mostly so. Anyway, I come back a week after we got back I went to my first session and I go 40 minutes and no blackouts and no, no loss of sound, and I get to the end of the session. Now these technicians are very rigorously connected that they give human feedback for what\u0026#39;s going on. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey\u0026#39;re just, they\u0026#39;re just adjusting the sensors or whatever they\u0026#39;re making notes, but they\u0026#39;re making notes, but they\u0026#39;re not telling you what the notes are. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No reinforcement or stimulus. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I get to the end of the first session and she looks at me with a big smile and she said that was fantastic. She said I\u0026#39;ve never seen that before. Yes, she said, I\u0026#39;ve never seen anyone go through all 40 minutes without this being going out. Now it did blur a little bit, but it never, went black and the sound didn\u0026#39;t go up. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOkay, that was three weeks ago. And then two weeks ago I did it again and it just edged into the black once, even though she had increased the difficulty. She had increased the difficulty just a little bit, went in half a second and then it came back and that was it. And yesterday I went in 40 minutes and no black, no sundown, even though she had increased the difficulty again. She said this is quite exceptional. She said I have not seen this kind of progress being made. I think it\u0026#39;s because of the stem cells to my brain, which I will get again the week after next month? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow, are you still going to osteosteostrong, or is that the place? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I was in osteostrong yesterday. Yeah, Interesting. I haven\u0026#39;t been doing much other work exercise so I\u0026#39;ve maintained basically where I am with osteostrong and really good. I mean they have a thing called double standard. When I do double standard, I\u0026#39;m strong enough my legs, my arms and everything else. So it means that I haven\u0026#39;t lost any strength over the last 14 months. I haven\u0026#39;t lost it, which is good, which is very good, and actually I\u0026#39;ve actually gained strength. I\u0026#39;ve showed plenty of progress. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But so far. I had a nice Zoom with our osteopath friend from London who was in the three years on Intra. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Tehira, tehira, tehira, yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e He\u0026#39;s very passionate about osteo. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Very passionate, yeah, very passionate, yeah. He just needs to do one little mindset change. Is mindset change? Do you want to know what it is? I do, of course. He wants to save the world. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I got that great tune. He wants to save them from something that doesn\u0026#39;t present as an imminent danger. It\u0026#39;s a chronic long. You don\u0026#39;t have any evidence that there\u0026#39;s anything wrong, until you fall and break your hip. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e He\u0026#39;s got a limbic obstacle, you hit it on the head. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You hit it exactly there. It\u0026#39;s so funny that you said he wants to save the world. My advice to him I said we\u0026#39;ve got to prove evidence. It\u0026#39;s so funny because I hadn\u0026#39;t heard you go through that exercise. But all the things that he was talking about are left side things. That are the things I was showing. I said to him it\u0026#39;s very interesting, but what could you do that would make let\u0026#39;s call it that liver puddleans. How could we make headline news that liver puddleans have the strongest bones in the world or that there\u0026#39;s eliminated? The downside of this that was something that, if you\u0026#39;re going to save the world, you\u0026#39;ve certainly got to start. I heard that one time Bono from U2. There was a movie called Killing Bono, but for years they would be dubbed as the second best band in Dublin. If your goal is to be the biggest band in the world, you\u0026#39;ve certainly got to be the biggest band in Dublin. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIf we\u0026#39;re going to save all the world from the negative impact of osteo health. How could we start with liver pool and make liver puddleans that help with bones in the world. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e My attitude is can you do it with one person? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e First question can you do it with? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e one person. I said, if you can do it with one person, I think you know 50% of what\u0026#39;s needed to do it with 10 people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Then you get to 10. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Now you know 50% of what it takes to get 100 people. Just work up your capability and confidence. That way it\u0026#39;s a lot easier. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s the scale-ready algorithm. Once you figure out how to do it, once you\u0026#39;ve got some evidence. But until you do it a second time or for 10, you\u0026#39;re so right on. That\u0026#39;s how we approach marketing problems. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I called the Singapore model. Singapore was a lawless Southeast Asia primed all the criminals within the 1,000 miles of Singapore. This is where they went. They had their warehouses there, they did their deals there, they recruited people. Singapore became independent of Great Britain in 1965. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt was mainly the work of one family, the Lee family. They\u0026#39;re still in charge. It\u0026#39;s 60 years down the road and they\u0026#39;re still in charge. It\u0026#39;s a big harbor, it\u0026#39;s one of the better harbors in Southeast Asia. They said let\u0026#39;s get together some muscle People who know how to give hard knocks to hard people. They went in and they said in the first six months we cleared the entire block that surrounds on land, the block of houses and buildings that surround the harbor. At the end of six months they\u0026#39;re crime-free. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey did it Not without pushback but they overcame the pushback. Then they said over the next six months, let\u0026#39;s clear two blocks in from what we\u0026#39;ve already achieved. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e They did Now they had three blocks. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e This was the most important real estate from a commercial standpoint in Singapore. Then they said now we\u0026#39;re going to go four more blocks in. By the end of the next six months we\u0026#39;ll have seven blocks. The criminals all got the message and left the city. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow, that\u0026#39;s pretty amazing. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s the wisdom right Is getting it into the thing of one. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Get a foothold that you can learn from. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I agree. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think that saving the world First of all, I don\u0026#39;t even know what the world is. I don\u0026#39;t know what saving. That means I wouldn\u0026#39;t know where to start. I wouldn\u0026#39;t know how to keep score. When do I actually get to be happy? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, so amazing. I love it. I can\u0026#39;t believe it\u0026#39;s been an hour, but this was fantastic yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ll be just arriving Next week. I\u0026#39;ll just be arriving and playing this series. It\u0026#39;ll be the wheel. I\u0026#39;ll just see Becca, because we\u0026#39;re time difference, two hour time difference. Let\u0026#39;s see if we can sneak one in during the week. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, I\u0026#39;ll never no no. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Dean and Dan, don\u0026#39;t do sneaking. No, that\u0026#39;s exactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ll leave it in tension. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Becca will be with us. We take Becca with us, so Becca will do it. I just do it right at the Four Seasons Hotel and playing this series. Okay, no, anyway great to chat. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, dan, I\u0026#39;ll talk to you soon. Bye. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"Today on Welcome to Cloudlandia, we explore the effectiveness of small gatherings and the meaningful conversations that can be had through them. We talk about how small workshops help establish a richer exchange where each voice can fully engage. \r\n\r\nWe examine the nuanced difference between self-promotion and truly understanding clients, inspired by Walter Payton's philosophy of emphasizing outcomes over features. Entrepreneurs rethink their approach after test-driving innovative thinking tools highlighting benefits. \r\n\r\n\r\nLater, we unpack exercises that optimize communication and outcomes. The 'who, not how' focus and 'self-milking cow' concept streamline processes.\r\n","date_published":"2024-01-17T10:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/f3ce9773-d31e-400a-9979-227555eb0a34.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":40826039,"duration_in_seconds":3399}]},{"id":"8b33b150-4a61-4d63-96a5-419f83acf777","title":"Ep115: Creative Investing and the Search for Wellness","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/115","content_text":"In today's episode of Cloudlandia we weave through various topics. Dan shares his journey with stem cell treatments, from the miraculous changes in his mobility and pain to the improvements in Babs' condition post-injections. \n\nAs we delve into regenerative therapies, discover the future of diagnostics where AI and DNA merge to transform healthcare. I also recount surprising neurofeedback session benefits and reflections on technology's paradigm shifts over time. \n\nOur discussion explores Indify's pioneering artist venture capital model and investing in human potential, drawing inspiration from visionaries like Musk and Jobs. \n\nLastly we examine managing our digital lives, I offer tech fasting insights and preview Toronto's upcoming free zone community event with excitement. \n\n\u0026amp;nbsp\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\nDean discusses his personal experience with stem cell therapy, describing a noticeable improvement in his chronic pain and mobility two weeks post-injection.\nDan highlights the significant pain reduction in Babs' big toe following her stem cell treatment and mentions the vascular IV treatments they both received for energy improvement.\nWe explore the impact of artificial intelligence on diagnostics, transforming biological signals into digital ones, which Dean experienced firsthand from the early days of the internet.\nDan recounts the advancements in technology, from limited television channels to the current convergence of AI and DNA, which he has observed over the years.\nWe delve into Indify's venture capital model for independent artists, discussing the strategy of partnering with musicians for a 50% ownership and the successful returns seen since 2020.\nDean reflects on the importance of investing in human creativity and potential, drawing parallels to the entrepreneurial mindset and success stories like Elon Musk and Steve Jobs.\nDan talks about the art of digital survival, sharing his personal experiments with tech fasting and the creation of a 'red box' to manage the influx of digital information.\nWe examine the shifting media landscape from advertising to subscription models and how Dean has adapted his consumption of news and current affairs through an aggregator.\nDan and Dean discuss the inescapable nature of human biases, the illusion of complete neutrality, and how being aware of our biases can influence conscious decision-making.\nThe episode concludes with an announcement of Toronto's upcoming free zone event in June, coordinated by Tammy Coville, and a look forward to creating new memories in the city.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean: Welcome to Cloudlandia. \n\nDan: Ah, you have a very resonant place to this morning. \n\nDean: Well, you know what I did. I came in on the app today and so we'll see. And over the last week we had some intermittent disruption. So to try this this week. Maybe it's a different level of unpredictable variety I called it unpredictable variety, that's right, we roll with it and yeah, and there we go, yeah. So everybody wants to know, dan, how is the $6 million man doing with his biomegase here? \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, pretty good. So we're talking on a Sunday and just the past Thursday was two weeks. And you know I got to figure in the placebo factor here, and I think I mentioned this last time that when you have a pain and you don't have any solution for it, you try to avoid the pain, and so you kind of? A you kind of a focus on it. You rearrange your posture and your body to avoid the pain. \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: But since I had the stem cell injection, I came back and the pain didn't seem any different. But I was confident about it that I now had a pain that in, according to prediction, in six months I won't have the pain. And so I'm not avoiding the pain and I'm you know, I'm walking downstairs without holding out to the rail and just depending on my leg. But I will say in the last two or three, three days I've I have noticed an improvement, so that I'm getting from. \n\nYou know, we have top to bottom we in some cases I'm going to flights, yes, and and yeah. So I told Dr Hasse David Hasse, who's in the free zone with us because he's the arranger for all this. Anything else I do, I go through his clinic, so he's the one who arranged everything in Buenos Aires yes, and I tell him. I said I'm, I'm naturally a self producer of placebo's. \n\nDean: And I said I think it's part of my. \n\nDan: I think it's part of my character. I had nice said actually isn't strategic coaches? Not what strategic coaches? Producing your own placebo's, that's the best. \n\nDean: I love it yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, so anyway, all friends, but I will tell you this we had three different treatments. I did and Babs had a fourth one. So Babs had a big toe, inflamed bones and her big toe. And the pain is way, way down after two weeks. And both of us had vascular IVs, so this is where the stem cells are put you know it's an IV, so it goes in over 40 minutes. \n\nDean: It wasn't an injection. Right, right Right. \n\nDan: But it's, the stem cells are geared just to your vascular system, so just you know, the veins has sent. And so I feel quite a bit more energy, and again, I'm not discounting the placebo effect. \n\nAnd the third, the third thing that I did Babs did vascular two and I did brain cells. So these what they do is that they put lymphocytes in on day one and then on day three they give you a IV for the, for your brain cells and the lymphocytes. I don't exactly understand what they are. Okay, I know they're neither Republican or Democrat. I do know that. \n\nDean: They're NDP. \n\nDan: Right, exactly, yeah, I know that I know they don't have a political characteristic about them, but what they do is they actually create pathways through what's called the blood brain barrier. \n\nOkay, and what I understand is that the brain is very protective of itself, so it doesn't allow any foreign thing to come in To the brain. But it'll accept limbo sites and they're just little, they're kind of temporary pathways and they die after about a week or two. But what happens then is the stem cells that are geared to your brain can go through those pathways and and I'm doing a program called neuro potential, which is bio feedback program, and I'm doing a neuro potential program called neuro potential Bio feedback program, and I did session 30, 29 and 30. I've been doing that for about a year. \n\nAnd what it tests you on is when you're watching a movie and I picked a favorite movie which was foils for British detective, homicide detective series Long time ago, 15 years ago. Very intriguing, very good acting. And so I went Saturday ago and I did it. \n\nAnd usually what happens during the course of the session? You're watching the, you're watching the screen and then all of a sudden the screen will go black, the sound will go out, but the movie goes on and your brain notices this and it readjust itself so that the screen comes back and the sound comes back. And normally during a session it'll happen four or five times and there's nothing you can do. All you do is the brain just adjust itself and that adjustments are actually making improvements to how your brain operates. And I've been doing it and my EEG tests, which are a battery of screen tests that I do every quarter, indicate that my brain has improved quite a bit over the last year. But this session, the first time now I'm talking about a week ago, saturday not once during the entire movie did the screen black out and or the sound go out. \n\nAnd the first time it ever happened. And the technician they have technicians there who you know they will. They put your sensors on your brain and then they you know they're there all the time and she said I've never seen that before. She said I've never seen it, certainly haven't seen it with you, but she said I've never seen it with anyone. And these people are these train? These people are trained not to be enthusiastic. \n\nDean: And they're just there, related to your, to the stem cells or yeah, well, it's the only thing that's changed, it's it's gotta be right, yeah, it's gotta be, and she up the difficulty. \n\nDan: So when I do it fairly easily, she'll up the difficulty and the and yesterday I went and it sound went out three times but the screen did not go black and and she said that's amazing because she said you're even stronger this week than you were last week and that was a real breakthrough week. \n\nSo I think, that's and this is the only thing where I have outside reference. That's testing. So, yeah, so, but my energy has been real good from the overall. But I think the big thing is that I am now convinced this specifically from the stem cell thing that we're going through and also other things that I've been doing for the past year that now anything in the body, if it can be diagnosed, if there's something off, if something's not performing right, something's not working period or, worse than that, it's something wrong is happening. \n\nI now am convinced that if it can be diagnosed, it can be repaired and it can be regenerated. So that's yeah and, and I've been and I've been going on. I've been going to faith for the last 36 years in this regard that this would come. \n\nDean: Yeah, and I mean you know, you look at, I heard Joe Rogan had well, he always has all kinds of interesting people, but he had no. Gary Brecca on. I don't know him no well, he's kind of an interesting story, I don't. I mean, you know, like anything. When you hear him on you know he kind of breaks into the scene. He's the guy that kind of turned Dana white around. Dana's lost all kinds of weight and reversed his oh yeah, I know Dana white, he's the. \n\nDan: Yeah, you see ultra fighting. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's exactly right, yeah, yeah, the US, and so he. This guy's background was as a I don't know what the right word for what he did, but it was some sort of for insurance companies. They would predict your lifespan. So it was like advance. What do they call that in insurance mortality rate guessing as the rate of the yeah yeah, so actuarial. \n\nI guess, would be kind of based on statistical groups kind of thing, and what they do is this is based on records, on your, on measuring, like genetic markers and and blood work, and they can predict, he says, within you know months of somebody's life expectancy and mm-hmm very interesting, right. \n\nSo Dana came in and he had, you know, very elevated triglycerides and you know certain other markers that were really kind of degenerative. And he's 53 years old and his they marked his life expectancy at 63.6 or something like that and it was really like an eye opener for him to see that have that sort of you know, mortality check on what you're, what's going on in your body, and he basically says all these things are, you know, they're starting to give out years and years before they're actually the end of it. \n\nSo it's not a mystery kind of thing, it's just that way you know, and so he's, you know, done all the things that he recommended and he's already added, like you know, 12 years to his life expectancy already, and that it's kind of, I think, when you're right, that we're at a stage where we're started learning all the repair models of things that yeah to be able to to regenerate. I'm still amazed that even the fact that DNA exists like how do you even tune into something like that, right? Like how did somebody even discover that's a thing is just like beyond my imagination. \n\nDan: You know it's yeah well, electron microscopes was the. Yeah well, I mean with you know the actual day break through there's some great stories about that aren't really on point here, but we could go into them. But the point I'd like to bring. This is all cloud landia. This is all these are cloud landia capabilities that have come into existence, because the I was talking to Peter DM on this, about this, and I said it's clearly a lot of things that were predicted by a lot of people 10 years ago happened, happened okay they haven't happened to the degree that they're happening, but they're not to the degree. \n\nBut I would say that the application of digital measurement to your body has gone way beyond what anyone was predicting at the ability to, at the most minute level, to sell your level of actually measuring and then having comparisons. You know comparisons because these are large model. \n\nThese are large model. You know, when somebody says you are, you know a certain age, like if you take Dana White and they said 53 and they his prediction was for 63 what they were doing was measuring against millions and millions of other tests that they've done on other people right that used to take yours to put the facts together and now it takes minutes. \n\nDean: Yeah and it wasn't even possible. \n\nDan: Years ago I put those no, no, yeah, no, I mean, you know I, my first doctoring counters were in the 1940s, so this is 80 not quite 80 years ago, and the best you could hope for back then was that the doctor had a good bedside manner well, three out of four doctors prefer Chesterfield cigarette actually it was camels actually it was camels, and it was. \n\nIt was actually seven out of those seven out of eight who a doctor. Seven out of eight doctors who smoke prefer camo camels. No, this is a great. This is a great ad campaign. We shouldn't be frivolous about this. It's really sold a lot of camels, I'll tell you. \n\nDean: I wonder what those things like. If we look forward, you know, fast forward, 40 years from now, what are we going to look at? As you know, so stupid and obvious back in you know that we haven't been paying attention to well yeah, you know, I always say that a depressed utopian, a utopian who's depressed. \n\nDan: Our people get depressed by the absence of things that haven't been invented yet. Yeah, exactly, there's so much that has been. I'm missing all these things. I said what exactly are you missing? Well, I don't know, but I'm missing it. \n\nDean: I don't know yet yeah, exactly I don't know what I need, it's so funny, I just saw somebody in on Facebook, one of the there's a local group called it. You know, if you grew up in Georgetown, you remember, you may remember group and it was pretty these things. And somebody showed you know Georgetown cable was. You know halton cable was becoming available and they were offering, you know, service on on the nine channel for our listeners. \n\nDan: Today, we're not talking about George town in Washington. \n\nDean: DC. Right, exactly, we're talking about. \n\nDan: We're talking about your town, a lovely veil north, and is it more west than north? \n\nDean: I'm trying to think it north. I know the go train goes there, that's exactly right, it's the last outpost on the on the go train and that was the thing they were offering now service on channel two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, eleven and thirteen, and I remember those days, like you know, 1970 something when we got our first color television and I got the table you know that was, that was the thing. Wow, what a world. Yeah, but just back to the. \n\nDan: You brought up a subject right at the beginning of our talk here DNA. It's actually been the merger of artificial intelligence and DNA that's producing all the amazing diagnostic tests. Because they can now do, then? What they do is they convert biological signals to digital signals okay and now they can do 10,000 tests either on something that exists in the time that it would takes to do one manual test ten years ago. So 10,000 to one, that's, that qualifies as exponential in my world, I would say so yeah, I would say so. \n\nYeah, yeah, yeah, but I'm banking on that. You know, and as you know from our conversations of a long time ago, that I was Babs and I were on this path in the 90s, you know, in the 1990s so we're 30 years down the road now but I knew you could tell. \n\nI mean, I read a lot. You know, the internet has been a great tool for me of just letting my brain go wild on the internet and it finds this and kind of. I find your brain kind of finds what you were looking for, but you didn't know you were looking for it, that's the way I explain it do you? Find that I do. \n\nDean: I had some experimenting this week, actually, based on our conversation last week that you know you mentioned. You kind of let your brain just go and do what it wants, but let's just I mean almost like with an agreement that let's just, at the end of the day, let's get these three things done, and I don't care what you do or when you do it, but let's just go ahead, let's get these three things done. But I got a. \n\nDan: I got. I've been thinking about our conversation too and I said but it's finding it for some reason, and I think using a I language here, that's somewhere in the past you gave your brain a pump prompt, just like with a chat, gbt, you gave it a prompt that. If you ever come, if you ever come across something like this, alert me to this. \n\nYou know so my sense is that you've been programming your brain To look for a certain things Since you know. Since the beginning, you've been prompting your brain to look for certain things and All of a sudden it comes across a plane and then you wake up and say, gee, that's neat, that's neat. I didn't know that, but somewhere in the past you gave some sort of prompts, I think, to tell your brain, if you ever yeah, you know, if you ever. \n\nDean: See something like this Just let me know right away, because I'm interested in it one of the things that I came across this week was, you know, in relation to our conversation about melt, about money, energy, labor and transportation all going in rising cost of those, and I, you know, been thinking about money, like access to money, and I'm seeing there's more and more versions of intelligent money coming, you know, being the thing of Empowering Creators in a way. So I looked at, I found out about a company called in defy, which is taking a venture capital kind of approach to creators, musicians, particularly independent artists who are, you know, making Music, and they're partnering with them for, you know, 50% ownership of Whatever comes out of what they're they're producing and it's really, you know, they may not produce, like, compared to the music Label industry, the model where they would, you know, sign an artist and do a full album and of those things these are really but those who are already existing. \n\nDan: That was already. Yeah, here's their here they're doing music and musician futures. \n\nDean: Yes, that's exactly what it is and that's a really interesting Model, like typically there, you know, with a particular like a song, for instance, they may invest $30,000 to produce a single Song and artists, but they're showing that the you know, the typical Return on, even like them, that to be they're not talking about hits, but things that either they showed investments of their typical investment of $30,000 has returned $110,000 so far per one of those that they've done. Yeah, and they started in 2020, you know. So over that period of time, they've kind of tripled their investments and I thought, partner, you know that that level of you know, in the entrepreneurial world I don't know whether that's that you know the rising cost or you know, corollary to that, the diminishing supply of them capital I don't know whether there's different rules for Plotlandia and creative things as opposed to, you know, large scale physical capital, you know. \n\nDan: Yeah, my sense of that is that the smart investors, whether it's in the mainland or whether it's in Plotlandia, are the same person. There are the same, and my feeling is that the smartest investors invest People. They don't fast on things, they don't really invest on things. And so my sense is that the Example you just gave this person has proven in the past that they're actually creative and they always seem to be coming up. \n\nThey always seem to be coming up with new things, and Some of them have monetized and some of them haven't monetized. So that's the guess, and that's the bet you know. In other words, I'm guessing that you're going to. You already come up with something in the past that turned out to be money-making and I'm betting I'm just gonna Bet on you as a creator that you're going to come up with some good stuff that, properly captured, properly packaged and properly distributed, is going to be money-making. \n\nDean: Would you say I agree. Well, yeah, Patron days it's been oh yeah, yeah in a way yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, go totally, totally. I mean entrepreneurs are you and I and All the folks that we hang out with are we're self patrons. Yes the difference between an entrepreneur and non entrepreneurs, an individual who's betting on Himself as the future. Well, you did that a long time ago and you know, and I did it a long time ago, and, and so that's why I'm not taken by things. You know, I'm not really taken by things. You know, betting on things like I'm talking about a product or a tech right, I'm not betting on that. \n\nI'm betting on the thing possibly being a tool that some really smart human is going to maximize. It's gonna, you know, it's gonna do something. And I was thinking about that with Elon Musk, because there's no reason for his valuations Related to Tesla. You know, if you took the normal valuations of a car company the number of cars you got, the distribution system, you got his. The Tesla doesn't make sense. The valuation that he has for Tesla makes no sense whatsoever. By right, historic automobile standards, right, and somebody was saying that they you know this is, you know this is, you know this is a scam. I said you're missing the point here. \n\nThey're not betting on the Tesla car. They're betting on Elon Musk coming up with always new things. \n\nDean: That is true, and he, yeah, he's, yeah, he's come up with quite a few. Yeah, I think. \n\nDan: Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs was on that track, but he died. He, you know, he died. I mean because, really, if you take a look at Apple's extraordinary, it's stuff that all goes back to Steve Jobs. Yes and I mean not a big thing since not a really big thing since 2008, right since the iPhone right, I mean, that's really the iPhone. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, that decade of, you know, 92,000, 8. That's really. That's where everything happened. I think was a joke about it. Yeah, we talked about it in our analysis of the last 28 years. That none of it you know, but Apple was close to bankruptcy, that they were in trouble 28 years ago he had to borrow from Bill Gates. Yeah, exactly that's. That's kind of that's pretty amazing, right, when you think about everything that's turned around since then and thinking about even Jeff Bezos, who you know, who knew. \n\nDan: Yep, yeah, and you know and so so the the thing about betting, but I always bet on people. You know my whole approach is that this is a person you know who proven track record and part of it is that they cannot do what they're doing. You know one of my yeah that I look at somebody who cannot do the thing that seems to be most valuable and. So I don't have to worry what they're doing when I don't see them. \n\nDean: What's he? \n\nDan: doing I what's? What's he doing today? \n\nDean: I know exactly what he's doing. \n\nDan: He's doing what I bet on. \n\nDean: He's doing what I bet on him doing you know and you know. \n\nDan: So it's a very interesting thing. So, but I think I was going back because we had this conversation. I said, you know, if I go back because I've really been an entrepreneur since really the beginning of the Microchip age in the 70s. They started using the word microchip, I think early 70s, but I read about it in 73 and I started my company in 74 1974, so 50 years next year and. I would say that the microchip itself Breakthroughs and. \n\nThe ability for there to be something that has a personal computer, which came up, you know, within the first ten years of the microchip and then graphic user interface, which made the personal computer available to everybody, okay. And then the internet, probably software somewhere in there, the whole notion of software, that it didn't have to be hardware. Usefulness of the computer did not have to be hardware, it could just be a program. And then I would say the internet, and then the iPhone, and now artificial intelligence. \n\nDean: Yeah, artificial intelligence that I think what's happening there is. Nobody could really have predicted. I mean, maybe people who knew were predicting, but I don't think people really had a sense of what was really possible with this until now, and I think as a species right now, we're clueless about where this is going. \n\nDan: I said you know. I said you can say anything you want about where it's going and probably you'll be right, but there's going to be a million other things happening to that nobody could have predicted. \n\nDean: Yeah, I mean it's really. \n\nDan: I mean, where are you crossing into this world? I mean, what are you do? We have three or four projects. We have three or four projects going that. \n\nDean: I'm involved in the company. \n\nDan: And so where are you? I'm at the experiment where you experiment. \n\nDean: Yeah, I'm experimenting in the personal, like my personal experience with it. We're not using it as it's not integrated in any way into my company that you're you know our stuff yet, but I can see that it could be. I mean, I looked at, you know, one of the things that we do we have a subscription for. We have two different versions one for realtors, one for financial advisors of a postcard newsletter called the world's most interesting postcard and it's essentially a carrier for referral programming that you as a realtor or a financial advisor would send to your top 150 relationships so that you are programming them to notice conversations about real estate, to think about you and introduce you to the person that they had the conversation with. And it's been, you know, a phenomenal game changer for the amount of referrals that people get, measured as a you know, return on relationship, the percentage of repeat and referral business you get from your top 150 relationships. \n\nI haven't had four years we've been doing it for 12 years now a monthly postcard where we have someone research and put together there might be 16, you know just short interesting facts that you put on the front of the postcard and it's got a nice design and so it's easy to read. It's kind of just like you know interesting things and the. \n\nI started thinking about, well, if I did what, if I did one specifically for for financial advisors, that all the facts and stuff are money related. And I just asked chat GPT one day. I said can you write to you know 10 short interesting facts about the history of money? And it started, you know writing the things. And then I asked it to you know, make it a little more interesting things. And it, you know, put it out. And I said you can be 20 more. And it was like boom, all interesting. \n\nDan: Yeah, absolutely I say yeah, and you're, you're, you're designing, though, as you go along, there's probably an interactive thing going on between yeah right, I'm just you know there's two a I a. Breakthroughs consist of two a you know the first day I as artificial intelligence, the second one is called actual intelligence. \n\nDean: Yeah, exactly so. \n\nDan: I'm bringing the actual intelligence. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I said it was so funny, Dan, because I said to it Well, these are great. How many do you think you could? It said well, I can make an infinite number of these. How many would you like? And it was just so funny that I ended up with like 50 of these you know, and just instantly done and I thought you know that's a really interesting thing. \n\nAgain, those are, you know it's content related. I came, I had this idea of you know I think there are 400 and something cognitive biases that are, and I just started how many, how many of you mastered it Right exactly. \n\nAnd you know it's an interesting thing. I said can you make a three minute video script describing confirmation, bias, the facts about what it is and how it might be, how it might be deployed or come into play and how to defend against it? And it wrote this amazing like just you know, intro this, then scene of this, and then this, and narrator says that there's the script. You know, and it was just. I mean, when you look at the putting together of the different things, I saw this. I saw someone do a demonstration of you know having it write some. It was writing ads, video ads for something, and it they had gone to one of the gone to 11 labs. I think is a place where you train your voice. \n\nSo it's got your voice. And then it went to another place that had your digital, you know avatar, you know from video of you, and then it combined this AI written script with your voice through your face on your avatar on video and it's instantly translated into any language where your mouth moves and your mouth is saying the words in Japanese or German or French or whatever and I just man, it's just such a like you can see, that's a you know. The distribution of Content like that, you know, is amazing. \n\nBut then it's still so that's everything I've seen has been Content related, you know kind of yeah, creation and as a multiplier for content creation. But then the bigger you know we've had the conversation that the bigger you know. Picture of that is that our brains we still can't consume At any more than the speed of reality, which is 60 minutes per hour right, it takes us. \n\nDan: Yeah, and the other thing is that we can only think about one thing at a time, you know? I mean, we can't think two things at the same time. Humans just can't do this and you know, and, as you say, it's reality, world, time-based, you know, and really Successful people have learned firsthand just what can get be gotten done in an hour a day and and, and then also it's developed a sense of discernment about just what's worth having your mind on for an hour for a whole day and you know and that you know, and I've dropped I'm noticing I'm shedding all sorts of things as I Approach 80. \n\nJust I dropped televisions. I'm in my sixth year now dropping television and and people say, but you're a big sports fan. And I said, oh, I've got a trick. \n\nI said I wait till the game. I I've got. I wait till the game, as though I'll use Cleveland Brown says an example and I just checked. I checked the score. You know the scores are in now. It's some beyond game time. Did they win or lose? Well, if they lost, I'm not interested. If they won, then they have a 10-minute video of the highlights and that's my game, you know. \n\nDean: And. \n\nDan: I know they've won and then I just get a chance to see how they won. Okay, if they lose. I don't watch it because I, because that doesn't do me any good, doesn't do me any. I'm already disappointed they lost. Why would I pile on and people said, yeah, but you're missing? All the excitement of the game. And I said I said yes. I said I want to be excited about other things. I don't want to be excited about, yeah, people who are one third of my age, I think. \n\nI'm coming through for me or not coming through for me? I want to see the final result. \n\nDean: I've been contemplating Dan because, I I find that embarrassingly. Much of my time is screen-sucking. You know, as our friend, there's a lot of, there's a lot of screen-sucking and I would count television and YouTube and tiktok and Facebook and Anytime my eyeballs are sucking dopamine in through my screen as that time. And I've been experimenting with, you know, disconnecting from the the dopamine device you know, and so this morning was one of those times. \n\nI'm trying to get to a point where I can get as far into my day without having any, you know, digital input, and I think that there's a real Face that I could go, you know, all the way till noon with no Contact with the outside world and that, I think, would be a better thing for me. \n\nBut it's amazing how your body like I went over to the cafe this morning to get some, get a coffee and just sit outside and you know I didn't take my phone I woke up. I still wake up in the. You know the first thing, you know, I checked my phone or whatever. I left it here and I went to the, the cafe, and it's amazing how your brain is Is like saying you know, wait a second, what if anything? What if you? What? \n\nDan: if you break down. \n\nDean: What if you're what? If you get an accident or you need to call somebody here, what? What about that? And then I realized I don't know a single person's phone number. I don't know what single phone number except my office, you know, and not there's nobody there, but that's, it's very funny to me, that's where your mind goes. And then I had that. I took real money because normally I use my Apple pay on my phone to pay for it and so. \n\nI had real paper money with me and it was just. It was so interesting to sit at the cafe and just watch everybody you know, all you know, even together screen sucking the whole time and I've been experimenting, see like how much can I Disconnect from that in a proactive way, right, like well, it's interesting. \n\nDan: It's interesting because in the year you're applying the concept of intermittent fasting. Yeah, exactly that, yeah, you're going through. You know I'm going to spend three hours or four hours when. I fast you know yeah. Because your brain will find something to do if you're not right now. \n\nDean: Yes, I'll talk with you fixing. I mean, I remember this is something interesting. I was really going as far as like, how far Down can I go with this? Right, like what would I truly be missing? I do. I use my phone all the time for everything. I mean texting, email, ordering food, you know all of the stuff. Entertainment talking, and I was. I remember there was a show about the royalty, I think it was called the crown, and maybe it was a movie about the queen, but I remember this was struck me as very like, very interesting is that every day at a certain time 5pm, maybe, noon or sometime they would bring the queen a red box. Was everything that she needed for the day, everything that needed her attention, kind of thing. \n\nDan: And. \n\nDean: I thought how neat would that be. What would be interesting if I could, at 5pm every day, get a box that has every thing that I need, like any emails that have come in, any texts that have come in, any you know articles of interest. That would be, you know, something that I would need and I wondered about that getting rid of. Like you know, I check on that judge report and you know I the news. Like seeing different things that are going on in the world and I thought to myself I wonder what happened if I went to, like you know, paper subscriptions to Newsweek, time magazine and the Wall Street Journal as the my connection to the world. \n\nDan:I've gone beyond that because I used to get five papers a day. I got two Toronto papers. I got the Wall Street Journal, I got New York Times and National Post. Well, national Post was Globe and the Post for the two Toronto papers, and then the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times, and the fifth one was Business, business Investor's. \n\nDean: Daily. \n\nDan: Yeah, right, yeah, investor's Business Daily, and. But I began to realize that I all those papers. The only thing I was really interested in was the Opinions section. \n\nOkay, where the people wrote oversight articles. In other words, they were looking at us something and they were writing that. And then you know politics. I began to notice that in the newspaper world they were making most of their money after a while on subscriptions, because the advertising dollars were being taken away by Facebook and Google and yeah, and they had to go to digital versions on a subscription basis, and what that did is that it polarized the media in the sense that, for example, the Wall Street Journal, I would say 80 to 90% of its subscription probably is center or center right on the political spectrum. \n\nThere's center right and the New. York Times is barely center, mostly to the left, and I noticed that the Globe and Mail is now center to the left and the Globe and Mail or the Post is still somewhat into the right into the right and the investors business daily only has Opinions on Saturday. \n\nThey only have a real commentary section. So, yes, Okay. So what I began looking for, I said, well, still hit or miss, because there may be some good stuff or not good stuff. So I went to this aggregator which is called Real Clear, comes out of Chicago and all they do is aggregate article headings and they're almost all. They're all commentary, Okay. So every morning and six days a week they do an update at three o'clock in the afternoon. So you get up in the morning and they have that, and then at three o'clock in the afternoon they have an update. They don't do this on Saturday. Okay, there's one day when they don't do it Right but then they have all sorts of real clear. \n\nThey have real clear politics, they have real clear policy. \n\nThey have real clear market real clear world real clear defense, real clear energy, real clear health, real clear science, and those are more. They're picking up a periodicals rather than daily, yes, and so I just get up in the morning and I look and I click on three or four of them and they come for the New York Times as lucky if they get one every day, and some of them have paywalls so that when you go to their thing they're saying well, you can read the article if you pay for a subscription, and that counts them out. You know, I'm not going to pay, I'm not going to sign up for a subscription to get one article. \n\nRight so yeah, so, so, anyway. So that's what I've done. So and I'm down now to. Babs gets the post because she likes knowing Toronto things, but I don't bother looking at the, for the last two or three weeks they've had great articles. It's mainly how our Prime Minister is going down the drain which I always find comforting reading. And then the Israeli, israeli Amos situation and that's been a great clarifier, Boy. You really find out where people stand with this particular issue. That's been a really great clarifier herself. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah. So anyway, but that's how I handle it, I handle it. That's been sort of my red box. Real clear is my red box. \n\nDean: Right yeah that's interesting. \n\nDan: You know what they call that the thing that the clean gets. I don't know what they call it. They call it the red box. Okay, that's what I thought, that's what you know that red, you know that red box she gets every day you know what they call it the red box. \n\nDean: That is so funny, but I thought about experimenting with that, getting a red box and the government has to prepare them for. \n\nDan: The Prime Minister's office has to prepare them for her Right, exactly yeah. Yeah, because they're both in town once a week. The Prime Minister has to come to the palace and you know and deliver in person. You know some of the crucial issues. This is not recorded. No one ever goes. \n\nDean: Right A weekly audience with the Queen Right. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and the King now I guess? \n\nDan: Yeah, I guess the King. Should we send the red box to the King? \n\nDean: It's kind of hard to say. \n\nDan: It's kind of hard to say, you know it's kind of hard to say King. How do you say King? You know? Because he was in for seven, seven years or so. Yeah, there was a great play, actually was called the interview. I saw it, and I saw it in London, right around the corner from the hotel. \n\nDean: And. \n\nDan: Helen Merrin was the Queen. Helen Merrin was the Queen and that what they did is all the Prime Ministers that she's had, starting with Winston Churchill, right up until last year. I guess there were a whole bunch of Prime Ministers over the last two or three years, so anyway, but she that just talked about it was all made up, because nobody really knows what's that, but they just used topical issues of the time and you know, and whether she got along with the Prime Ministers or not, or and everything else, and it was very, just a really terrific, really terrific play. \n\nDean: I saw Napoleon on Thanksgiving Day. What'd you think? \n\nDan: What'd you think I? \n\nDean: didn't like it Did you see it. I haven't. It was as we like to say, Dan. There was a lot of middle in that movie. \n\nDan: It was all middle it joined in progress and just never left the middle. \n\nDean: There were only two scenes that were repeated six times. There was the drama in the palace and then there was battle scenes with horses and bayonets and cannons and on and on the same battle scenes, again and again, and then back to the palace and it was really. I didn't enjoy it at all, I didn't have. No, it was my shortest movie review ever. I looked at the camera, shook my head and said Nope, and then I hashtagged it Nope, olean, yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: Yeah, and, but I have no real historical knowledge of, you know, of Napoleon, but I did. You know, the most interesting thing was at the end they did a summary of all the people that were lost in battles, like 6 million people. In his period of being the king he lost in battle. That was. That's crazy, you know, 6 million seemed like that, seemed like a lot. \n\nDan: Well, we must use all of them up, because his final battle was 1815. That's when Waterloo was you know the final battle, and then there was not a major European war until the beginning of the beginning of the first World War. \n\nSo it was 99 years so he must have used everybody up because it took a whole century to stack up again. Yeah, and you know, yeah, I mean a lot of American history, american history really, you know, from the British fighting the French. You know that's really where the American thing starts, it's. I don't know what they call it. You know they call it the seven years war here in Canada, but in the United States it was called the French and Indian war. \n\nYou, know, and this was 1817, 50s, 1763, seven years. But this is where all the American colonists got their military training, which they then used to go to for self fighting the British. Oh wow, 1717. So George Washington was an American born. You know, they were all British. I mean, they were all British. Yeah, all the colonists were British. \n\nAnd then and anyway, but that takes you right up until he I think Napoleon comes in around 1793 and he was in for 22 years but he totally changed Europe. I mean, he was like a major earthquake that went right across the continent and that really changed things. You know, Hitler was great, Hitler was great. Admirer of Napoleon, yeah. \n\nDean: And that right. \n\nDan: He made, and he made the same mistake. \n\nDean:He invaded. \n\nDan: Russia. Right right right, right right. \n\nDean: That's yeah. So I'm going to save you from from that yeah. \n\nDan: Well it's not a it's not a topic that I'm really interested in. \n\nDean: Right, I've never heard you talk about Napoleon. No. \n\nDan: I just you know, but he, he not only was a significant military person, he was very significant politician. Because that's where we get the metric metric system is from Napoleon. \n\nDean: That's right yeah. \n\nDan: And they didn't have any standard measurements in Europe. Okay, you know, I mean the British had their own. But you know, the British is kind of an organic thing that's developed over time feet inches, feet yards, and everything, stones, yeah, and the lightfully accent, and it's idiosyncratic, it's eccentric, eccentric. The British are eccentric, you know. And he wanted this 100, everything, as you know, and it took all the fun out of it, took all the fun out of measurement, right. \n\nDean: You imagine. \n\nDan: American, American baseball and metric, you know. \n\nDean: American football and metric. \n\nDan: Yeah Well, even the Canadian football. They use yards and peeps and you know everything like that, you know all the funny. Yeah, track and field they don't, because that's more of a European thing. \n\nYeah, yeah, world stage Anyway well, it's really interesting, but I'd like to pick up a little bit more on this couple themes that we've developed over the last a few talks, and one of them, and what I think, is that every human being is a confirmation bias. Okay, say more about that. Well, you're biased according to the experience that's proved useful or not useful, okay, okay, okay, so you've used a term you know to great movies that are not worth seeing a lot of the middle. Okay, yeah, so there's a lot. \n\nI don't remember if there was. I don't remember if there was a beginning and or an ending, and Battles and battles. That's right and palace, you know, but I think that really thing because I think that it's impossible for human beings not to have the bias. Yeah, I think that's what I do, what I do think as the smarter human beings know what their biases are and Choose them. \n\nYeah they actually choose them. Yeah, and, and you know, as it just strikes me that this whole notion of neutrality neutrality that you can be unbiased is, I Think it's just silly how could you? Possibly be on. I mean, that's right in the world. You wouldn't survive. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah. And the words of Milton Friedman to field on at you. Where do you propose we find these angels to organize society Without regards the personal interest or bias? I don't even trust you to do that, Phil. \n\nDan: I've watched that about. I've watched that about ten times. Yeah, that's such a great thing, because you can just see that Phil Donahue just has this sort of fluffy, waffly form of logic. You know, all, all, basically emotion based. You know emotion, yeah, I mean, he didn't have. Our Perspective new Prime Minister here is getting a lot of fight. When you finish here, go on Google and say here, paulie of you know, you know how to spell it, don't you? \n\nDean: yes, okay. \n\nDan: Takes down reporter. Just he just took down a reporter and it was one of the most masterful take downs of reporter Ever, and he did it while chewing an apple. \n\nDean: Oh, I love it. \n\nDan: So he's being interviewed, and he's, and the person says, well, you know, you know, you're taking a very ideological approach. He says ideological, what's that? Well, what's ideological? And the reporter says, well, you know, it's more emotion based. And he says name a name, an example there. Name an example, well you know, and it gets round that he's reproducing Donald Trump and you know that's the ultimate killer, that's the kill shots. You know you call somebody Donald Trump, he's not right. \n\nNo. And he says, well, a lot of the experts. And he says experts, name one expert and and the reporter did not have a specific piece of information, that was all this fluffy narrative and you could just see the guy was flailing and meanwhile Pierre Polyov is just eating, example, and he says do you have an actual point to this interview? There's some. And the guy you could just see the guy you know. You know they didn't show that, show him in full, but I bet you know there was a puddle under his feet when he was finished. Yeah, yeah, and he's just learned how to deal with this whole issue that they try to catch you on their words. \n\nDean: Yeah, exactly, I don't even know, what that word means. \n\nDan: I mean do you know what that word is? You just used a word I don't know what that word is and he says well, you know, you're doing left versus right and he says Name a time when I've actually said that I've never said love first right. I don't believe them love first right. So I believe in common sense and I'm kind of bored the side that has common sense. So we haven't had any of you just aren't used to it because we haven't had any common sense for the last eight years. \n\nSo anyway, and he's. I think he's a phenomenal debater, you know because he's been in he's 44 years old and he's been in parliament for 19 years. I think he's a phenomenal debater, you know because he's been in. He's 44 years old and he's been in parliament for 19 years. You know, he's been there since he was 25 and wow, yeah, but it's really interesting to watch it. You know, I mean, and I'm very biased towards his side of. \n\nDean: You have a cognitive bias around him. \n\nDan: I have a total. I have a total cognitive bias. That's funny. \n\nDean: I love it. \n\nDan: Yeah, okay, so anyway, fascinating where this is going, but I think this AI thing is a Much what should I call it here? I think it's a Catalyst for a real mind change and how we think about everything. I think the team with interacting with this technology Is actually introducing us to how we actually think about things. \n\nDean: I think you're right, because you have to bring that to it. Yeah, so you are. You are off to Phoenix. \n\nDan: Yeah, we fly out on Tuesday and then we're there until Saturday morning. We're there until Sunday morning because I can't take more than two days of Sitting in a room and so we're off to Chicago and then we have a Chicago week, we have a. \n\nI just have one workshop. I have the free zone on Thursday. Yes, yeah, so so anyway, you know, yeah, it's been a good year. It's been actually it's been a very Sailing kind of year. I haven't had any real-time crunches or anything else. Been a great right, that's awesome. And so then we're back, are you? And yeah, and so June 12th, june 18th, is our first free zone in Toronto. \n\nDean: Oh, you've set the date already. \n\nDan: Yeah, oh great. Yeah, and now I'll just forward Tammy, who is the wizard mastermind of scheduling here, tammy coville. \n\nDean: And I'll just send you. \n\nDan: I'll just forward her announcement. It just came through two days ago, so I'll just yeah. \n\nDean: And we're doing it in June. \n\nDan: I mean, it's not nice starting it off in June? \n\nDean: I love that. I love that I do miss Toronto. Yeah, I love it. \n\nDan: Toronto misses you, I think Toronto misses you oh Honey. I love it. Yeah, there's no more table 10 anywhere. I haven't found a table 10 anywhere. \n\nDean: We're gonna need a new. We'll need a new venue. \n\nDan: Oh well, we'll go. I mean less elective still there and they're still good, so we'll go okay good Okay, perfect Okay okay, dan, have a great trip two weeks. \n\nDean: We'll be back. \n\nDan: I'm sorry. Two weeks, two weeks, okay, perfect, yeah, okay, okay, I'll talk to you then. \n\nDean: Thanks Okay, bye, bye. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn today\u0026#39;s episode of Cloudlandia we weave through various topics. Dan shares his journey with stem cell treatments, from the miraculous changes in his mobility and pain to the improvements in Babs\u0026#39; condition post-injections. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAs we delve into regenerative therapies, discover the future of diagnostics where AI and DNA merge to transform healthcare. I also recount surprising neurofeedback session benefits and reflections on technology\u0026#39;s paradigm shifts over time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOur discussion explores Indify\u0026#39;s pioneering artist venture capital model and investing in human potential, drawing inspiration from visionaries like Musk and Jobs. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eLastly we examine managing our digital lives, I offer tech fasting insights and preview Toronto\u0026#39;s upcoming free zone community event with excitement. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDean discusses his personal experience with stem cell therapy, describing a noticeable improvement in his chronic pain and mobility two weeks post-injection.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDan highlights the significant pain reduction in Babs\u0026#39; big toe following her stem cell treatment and mentions the vascular IV treatments they both received for energy improvement.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe explore the impact of artificial intelligence on diagnostics, transforming biological signals into digital ones, which Dean experienced firsthand from the early days of the internet.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDan recounts the advancements in technology, from limited television channels to the current convergence of AI and DNA, which he has observed over the years.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe delve into Indify\u0026#39;s venture capital model for independent artists, discussing the strategy of partnering with musicians for a 50% ownership and the successful returns seen since 2020.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDean reflects on the importance of investing in human creativity and potential, drawing parallels to the entrepreneurial mindset and success stories like Elon Musk and Steve Jobs.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDan talks about the art of digital survival, sharing his personal experiments with tech fasting and the creation of a \u0026#39;red box\u0026#39; to manage the influx of digital information.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe examine the shifting media landscape from advertising to subscription models and how Dean has adapted his consumption of news and current affairs through an aggregator.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDan and Dean discuss the inescapable nature of human biases, the illusion of complete neutrality, and how being aware of our biases can influence conscious decision-making.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eThe episode concludes with an announcement of Toronto\u0026#39;s upcoming free zone event in June, coordinated by Tammy Coville, and a look forward to creating new memories in the city.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Welcome to Cloudlandia. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Ah, you have a very resonant place to this morning. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you know what I did. I came in on the app today and so we\u0026#39;ll see. And over the last week we had some intermittent disruption. So to try this this week. Maybe it\u0026#39;s a different level of unpredictable variety I called it unpredictable variety, that\u0026#39;s right, we roll with it and yeah, and there we go, yeah. So everybody wants to know, dan, how is the $6 million man doing with his biomegase here? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, pretty good. So we\u0026#39;re talking on a Sunday and just the past Thursday was two weeks. And you know I got to figure in the placebo factor here, and I think I mentioned this last time that when you have a pain and you don\u0026#39;t have any solution for it, you try to avoid the pain, and so you kind of? A you kind of a focus on it. You rearrange your posture and your body to avoid the pain. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But since I had the stem cell injection, I came back and the pain didn\u0026#39;t seem any different. But I was confident about it that I now had a pain that in, according to prediction, in six months I won\u0026#39;t have the pain. And so I\u0026#39;m not avoiding the pain and I\u0026#39;m you know, I\u0026#39;m walking downstairs without holding out to the rail and just depending on my leg. But I will say in the last two or three, three days I\u0026#39;ve I have noticed an improvement, so that I\u0026#39;m getting from. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, we have top to bottom we in some cases I\u0026#39;m going to flights, yes, and and yeah. So I told Dr Hasse David Hasse, who\u0026#39;s in the free zone with us because he\u0026#39;s the arranger for all this. Anything else I do, I go through his clinic, so he\u0026#39;s the one who arranged everything in Buenos Aires yes, and I tell him. I said I\u0026#39;m, I\u0026#39;m naturally a self producer of placebo\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And I said I think it\u0026#39;s part of my. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it\u0026#39;s part of my character. I had nice said actually isn\u0026#39;t strategic coaches? Not what strategic coaches? Producing your own placebo\u0026#39;s, that\u0026#39;s the best. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I love it yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so anyway, all friends, but I will tell you this we had three different treatments. I did and Babs had a fourth one. So Babs had a big toe, inflamed bones and her big toe. And the pain is way, way down after two weeks. And both of us had vascular IVs, so this is where the stem cells are put you know it\u0026#39;s an IV, so it goes in over 40 minutes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It wasn\u0026#39;t an injection. Right, right Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But it\u0026#39;s, the stem cells are geared just to your vascular system, so just you know, the veins has sent. And so I feel quite a bit more energy, and again, I\u0026#39;m not discounting the placebo effect. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd the third, the third thing that I did Babs did vascular two and I did brain cells. So these what they do is that they put lymphocytes in on day one and then on day three they give you a IV for the, for your brain cells and the lymphocytes. I don\u0026#39;t exactly understand what they are. Okay, I know they\u0026#39;re neither Republican or Democrat. I do know that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e They\u0026#39;re NDP. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, exactly, yeah, I know that I know they don\u0026#39;t have a political characteristic about them, but what they do is they actually create pathways through what\u0026#39;s called the blood brain barrier. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOkay, and what I understand is that the brain is very protective of itself, so it doesn\u0026#39;t allow any foreign thing to come in To the brain. But it\u0026#39;ll accept limbo sites and they\u0026#39;re just little, they\u0026#39;re kind of temporary pathways and they die after about a week or two. But what happens then is the stem cells that are geared to your brain can go through those pathways and and I\u0026#39;m doing a program called neuro potential, which is bio feedback program, and I\u0026#39;m doing a neuro potential program called neuro potential Bio feedback program, and I did session 30, 29 and 30. I\u0026#39;ve been doing that for about a year. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd what it tests you on is when you\u0026#39;re watching a movie and I picked a favorite movie which was foils for British detective, homicide detective series Long time ago, 15 years ago. Very intriguing, very good acting. And so I went Saturday ago and I did it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd usually what happens during the course of the session? You\u0026#39;re watching the, you\u0026#39;re watching the screen and then all of a sudden the screen will go black, the sound will go out, but the movie goes on and your brain notices this and it readjust itself so that the screen comes back and the sound comes back. And normally during a session it\u0026#39;ll happen four or five times and there\u0026#39;s nothing you can do. All you do is the brain just adjust itself and that adjustments are actually making improvements to how your brain operates. And I\u0026#39;ve been doing it and my EEG tests, which are a battery of screen tests that I do every quarter, indicate that my brain has improved quite a bit over the last year. But this session, the first time now I\u0026#39;m talking about a week ago, saturday not once during the entire movie did the screen black out and or the sound go out. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd the first time it ever happened. And the technician they have technicians there who you know they will. They put your sensors on your brain and then they you know they\u0026#39;re there all the time and she said I\u0026#39;ve never seen that before. She said I\u0026#39;ve never seen it, certainly haven\u0026#39;t seen it with you, but she said I\u0026#39;ve never seen it with anyone. And these people are these train? These people are trained not to be enthusiastic. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And they\u0026#39;re just there, related to your, to the stem cells or yeah, well, it\u0026#39;s the only thing that\u0026#39;s changed, it\u0026#39;s it\u0026#39;s gotta be right, yeah, it\u0026#39;s gotta be, and she up the difficulty. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So when I do it fairly easily, she\u0026#39;ll up the difficulty and the and yesterday I went and it sound went out three times but the screen did not go black and and she said that\u0026#39;s amazing because she said you\u0026#39;re even stronger this week than you were last week and that was a real breakthrough week. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo I think, that\u0026#39;s and this is the only thing where I have outside reference. That\u0026#39;s testing. So, yeah, so, but my energy has been real good from the overall. But I think the big thing is that I am now convinced this specifically from the stem cell thing that we\u0026#39;re going through and also other things that I\u0026#39;ve been doing for the past year that now anything in the body, if it can be diagnosed, if there\u0026#39;s something off, if something\u0026#39;s not performing right, something\u0026#39;s not working period or, worse than that, it\u0026#39;s something wrong is happening. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI now am convinced that if it can be diagnosed, it can be repaired and it can be regenerated. So that\u0026#39;s yeah and, and I\u0026#39;ve been and I\u0026#39;ve been going on. I\u0026#39;ve been going to faith for the last 36 years in this regard that this would come. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and I mean you know, you look at, I heard Joe Rogan had well, he always has all kinds of interesting people, but he had no. Gary Brecca on. I don\u0026#39;t know him no well, he\u0026#39;s kind of an interesting story, I don\u0026#39;t. I mean, you know, like anything. When you hear him on you know he kind of breaks into the scene. He\u0026#39;s the guy that kind of turned Dana white around. Dana\u0026#39;s lost all kinds of weight and reversed his oh yeah, I know Dana white, he\u0026#39;s the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you see ultra fighting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s exactly right, yeah, yeah, the US, and so he. This guy\u0026#39;s background was as a I don\u0026#39;t know what the right word for what he did, but it was some sort of for insurance companies. They would predict your lifespan. So it was like advance. What do they call that in insurance mortality rate guessing as the rate of the yeah yeah, so actuarial. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI guess, would be kind of based on statistical groups kind of thing, and what they do is this is based on records, on your, on measuring, like genetic markers and and blood work, and they can predict, he says, within you know months of somebody\u0026#39;s life expectancy and mm-hmm very interesting, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo Dana came in and he had, you know, very elevated triglycerides and you know certain other markers that were really kind of degenerative. And he\u0026#39;s 53 years old and his they marked his life expectancy at 63.6 or something like that and it was really like an eye opener for him to see that have that sort of you know, mortality check on what you\u0026#39;re, what\u0026#39;s going on in your body, and he basically says all these things are, you know, they\u0026#39;re starting to give out years and years before they\u0026#39;re actually the end of it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo it\u0026#39;s not a mystery kind of thing, it\u0026#39;s just that way you know, and so he\u0026#39;s, you know, done all the things that he recommended and he\u0026#39;s already added, like you know, 12 years to his life expectancy already, and that it\u0026#39;s kind of, I think, when you\u0026#39;re right, that we\u0026#39;re at a stage where we\u0026#39;re started learning all the repair models of things that yeah to be able to to regenerate. I\u0026#39;m still amazed that even the fact that DNA exists like how do you even tune into something like that, right? Like how did somebody even discover that\u0026#39;s a thing is just like beyond my imagination. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know it\u0026#39;s yeah well, electron microscopes was the. Yeah well, I mean with you know the actual day break through there\u0026#39;s some great stories about that aren\u0026#39;t really on point here, but we could go into them. But the point I\u0026#39;d like to bring. This is all cloud landia. This is all these are cloud landia capabilities that have come into existence, because the I was talking to Peter DM on this, about this, and I said it\u0026#39;s clearly a lot of things that were predicted by a lot of people 10 years ago happened, happened okay they haven\u0026#39;t happened to the degree that they\u0026#39;re happening, but they\u0026#39;re not to the degree. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut I would say that the application of digital measurement to your body has gone way beyond what anyone was predicting at the ability to, at the most minute level, to sell your level of actually measuring and then having comparisons. You know comparisons because these are large model. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThese are large model. You know, when somebody says you are, you know a certain age, like if you take Dana White and they said 53 and they his prediction was for 63 what they were doing was measuring against millions and millions of other tests that they\u0026#39;ve done on other people right that used to take yours to put the facts together and now it takes minutes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah and it wasn\u0026#39;t even possible. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Years ago I put those no, no, yeah, no, I mean, you know I, my first doctoring counters were in the 1940s, so this is 80 not quite 80 years ago, and the best you could hope for back then was that the doctor had a good bedside manner well, three out of four doctors prefer Chesterfield cigarette actually it was camels actually it was camels, and it was. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt was actually seven out of those seven out of eight who a doctor. Seven out of eight doctors who smoke prefer camo camels. No, this is a great. This is a great ad campaign. We shouldn\u0026#39;t be frivolous about this. It\u0026#39;s really sold a lot of camels, I\u0026#39;ll tell you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I wonder what those things like. If we look forward, you know, fast forward, 40 years from now, what are we going to look at? As you know, so stupid and obvious back in you know that we haven\u0026#39;t been paying attention to well yeah, you know, I always say that a depressed utopian, a utopian who\u0026#39;s depressed. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Our people get depressed by the absence of things that haven\u0026#39;t been invented yet. Yeah, exactly, there\u0026#39;s so much that has been. I\u0026#39;m missing all these things. I said what exactly are you missing? Well, I don\u0026#39;t know, but I\u0026#39;m missing it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t know yet yeah, exactly I don\u0026#39;t know what I need, it\u0026#39;s so funny, I just saw somebody in on Facebook, one of the there\u0026#39;s a local group called it. You know, if you grew up in Georgetown, you remember, you may remember group and it was pretty these things. And somebody showed you know Georgetown cable was. You know halton cable was becoming available and they were offering, you know, service on on the nine channel for our listeners. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Today, we\u0026#39;re not talking about George town in Washington. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e DC. Right, exactly, we\u0026#39;re talking about. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We\u0026#39;re talking about your town, a lovely veil north, and is it more west than north? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m trying to think it north. I know the go train goes there, that\u0026#39;s exactly right, it\u0026#39;s the last outpost on the on the go train and that was the thing they were offering now service on channel two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, eleven and thirteen, and I remember those days, like you know, 1970 something when we got our first color television and I got the table you know that was, that was the thing. Wow, what a world. Yeah, but just back to the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You brought up a subject right at the beginning of our talk here DNA. It\u0026#39;s actually been the merger of artificial intelligence and DNA that\u0026#39;s producing all the amazing diagnostic tests. Because they can now do, then? What they do is they convert biological signals to digital signals okay and now they can do 10,000 tests either on something that exists in the time that it would takes to do one manual test ten years ago. So 10,000 to one, that\u0026#39;s, that qualifies as exponential in my world, I would say so yeah, I would say so. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, yeah, yeah, but I\u0026#39;m banking on that. You know, and as you know from our conversations of a long time ago, that I was Babs and I were on this path in the 90s, you know, in the 1990s so we\u0026#39;re 30 years down the road now but I knew you could tell. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean, I read a lot. You know, the internet has been a great tool for me of just letting my brain go wild on the internet and it finds this and kind of. I find your brain kind of finds what you were looking for, but you didn\u0026#39;t know you were looking for it, that\u0026#39;s the way I explain it do you? Find that I do. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I had some experimenting this week, actually, based on our conversation last week that you know you mentioned. You kind of let your brain just go and do what it wants, but let\u0026#39;s just I mean almost like with an agreement that let\u0026#39;s just, at the end of the day, let\u0026#39;s get these three things done, and I don\u0026#39;t care what you do or when you do it, but let\u0026#39;s just go ahead, let\u0026#39;s get these three things done. But I got a. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I got. I\u0026#39;ve been thinking about our conversation too and I said but it\u0026#39;s finding it for some reason, and I think using a I language here, that\u0026#39;s somewhere in the past you gave your brain a pump prompt, just like with a chat, gbt, you gave it a prompt that. If you ever come, if you ever come across something like this, alert me to this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know so my sense is that you\u0026#39;ve been programming your brain To look for a certain things Since you know. Since the beginning, you\u0026#39;ve been prompting your brain to look for certain things and All of a sudden it comes across a plane and then you wake up and say, gee, that\u0026#39;s neat, that\u0026#39;s neat. I didn\u0026#39;t know that, but somewhere in the past you gave some sort of prompts, I think, to tell your brain, if you ever yeah, you know, if you ever. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e See something like this Just let me know right away, because I\u0026#39;m interested in it one of the things that I came across this week was, you know, in relation to our conversation about melt, about money, energy, labor and transportation all going in rising cost of those, and I, you know, been thinking about money, like access to money, and I\u0026#39;m seeing there\u0026#39;s more and more versions of intelligent money coming, you know, being the thing of Empowering Creators in a way. So I looked at, I found out about a company called in defy, which is taking a venture capital kind of approach to creators, musicians, particularly independent artists who are, you know, making Music, and they\u0026#39;re partnering with them for, you know, 50% ownership of Whatever comes out of what they\u0026#39;re they\u0026#39;re producing and it\u0026#39;s really, you know, they may not produce, like, compared to the music Label industry, the model where they would, you know, sign an artist and do a full album and of those things these are really but those who are already existing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That was already. Yeah, here\u0026#39;s their here they\u0026#39;re doing music and musician futures. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, that\u0026#39;s exactly what it is and that\u0026#39;s a really interesting Model, like typically there, you know, with a particular like a song, for instance, they may invest $30,000 to produce a single Song and artists, but they\u0026#39;re showing that the you know, the typical Return on, even like them, that to be they\u0026#39;re not talking about hits, but things that either they showed investments of their typical investment of $30,000 has returned $110,000 so far per one of those that they\u0026#39;ve done. Yeah, and they started in 2020, you know. So over that period of time, they\u0026#39;ve kind of tripled their investments and I thought, partner, you know that that level of you know, in the entrepreneurial world I don\u0026#39;t know whether that\u0026#39;s that you know the rising cost or you know, corollary to that, the diminishing supply of them capital I don\u0026#39;t know whether there\u0026#39;s different rules for Plotlandia and creative things as opposed to, you know, large scale physical capital, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, my sense of that is that the smart investors, whether it\u0026#39;s in the mainland or whether it\u0026#39;s in Plotlandia, are the same person. There are the same, and my feeling is that the smartest investors invest People. They don\u0026#39;t fast on things, they don\u0026#39;t really invest on things. And so my sense is that the Example you just gave this person has proven in the past that they\u0026#39;re actually creative and they always seem to be coming up. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey always seem to be coming up with new things, and Some of them have monetized and some of them haven\u0026#39;t monetized. So that\u0026#39;s the guess, and that\u0026#39;s the bet you know. In other words, I\u0026#39;m guessing that you\u0026#39;re going to. You already come up with something in the past that turned out to be money-making and I\u0026#39;m betting I\u0026#39;m just gonna Bet on you as a creator that you\u0026#39;re going to come up with some good stuff that, properly captured, properly packaged and properly distributed, is going to be money-making. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Would you say I agree. Well, yeah, Patron days it\u0026#39;s been oh yeah, yeah in a way yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, go totally, totally. I mean entrepreneurs are you and I and All the folks that we hang out with are we\u0026#39;re self patrons. Yes the difference between an entrepreneur and non entrepreneurs, an individual who\u0026#39;s betting on Himself as the future. Well, you did that a long time ago and you know, and I did it a long time ago, and, and so that\u0026#39;s why I\u0026#39;m not taken by things. You know, I\u0026#39;m not really taken by things. You know, betting on things like I\u0026#39;m talking about a product or a tech right, I\u0026#39;m not betting on that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI\u0026#39;m betting on the thing possibly being a tool that some really smart human is going to maximize. It\u0026#39;s gonna, you know, it\u0026#39;s gonna do something. And I was thinking about that with Elon Musk, because there\u0026#39;s no reason for his valuations Related to Tesla. You know, if you took the normal valuations of a car company the number of cars you got, the distribution system, you got his. The Tesla doesn\u0026#39;t make sense. The valuation that he has for Tesla makes no sense whatsoever. By right, historic automobile standards, right, and somebody was saying that they you know this is, you know this is, you know this is a scam. I said you\u0026#39;re missing the point here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey\u0026#39;re not betting on the Tesla car. They\u0026#39;re betting on Elon Musk coming up with always new things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That is true, and he, yeah, he\u0026#39;s, yeah, he\u0026#39;s come up with quite a few. Yeah, I think. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs was on that track, but he died. He, you know, he died. I mean because, really, if you take a look at Apple\u0026#39;s extraordinary, it\u0026#39;s stuff that all goes back to Steve Jobs. Yes and I mean not a big thing since not a really big thing since 2008, right since the iPhone right, I mean, that\u0026#39;s really the iPhone. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, that decade of, you know, 92,000, 8. That\u0026#39;s really. That\u0026#39;s where everything happened. I think was a joke about it. Yeah, we talked about it in our analysis of the last 28 years. That none of it you know, but Apple was close to bankruptcy, that they were in trouble 28 years ago he had to borrow from Bill Gates. Yeah, exactly that\u0026#39;s. That\u0026#39;s kind of that\u0026#39;s pretty amazing, right, when you think about everything that\u0026#39;s turned around since then and thinking about even Jeff Bezos, who you know, who knew. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yep, yeah, and you know and so so the the thing about betting, but I always bet on people. You know my whole approach is that this is a person you know who proven track record and part of it is that they cannot do what they\u0026#39;re doing. You know one of my yeah that I look at somebody who cannot do the thing that seems to be most valuable and. So I don\u0026#39;t have to worry what they\u0026#39;re doing when I don\u0026#39;t see them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e What\u0026#39;s he? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e doing I what\u0026#39;s? What\u0026#39;s he doing today? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I know exactly what he\u0026#39;s doing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e He\u0026#39;s doing what I bet on. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e He\u0026#39;s doing what I bet on him doing you know and you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So it\u0026#39;s a very interesting thing. So, but I think I was going back because we had this conversation. I said, you know, if I go back because I\u0026#39;ve really been an entrepreneur since really the beginning of the Microchip age in the 70s. They started using the word microchip, I think early 70s, but I read about it in 73 and I started my company in 74 1974, so 50 years next year and. I would say that the microchip itself Breakthroughs and. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe ability for there to be something that has a personal computer, which came up, you know, within the first ten years of the microchip and then graphic user interface, which made the personal computer available to everybody, okay. And then the internet, probably software somewhere in there, the whole notion of software, that it didn\u0026#39;t have to be hardware. Usefulness of the computer did not have to be hardware, it could just be a program. And then I would say the internet, and then the iPhone, and now artificial intelligence. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, artificial intelligence that I think what\u0026#39;s happening there is. Nobody could really have predicted. I mean, maybe people who knew were predicting, but I don\u0026#39;t think people really had a sense of what was really possible with this until now, and I think as a species right now, we\u0026#39;re clueless about where this is going. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I said you know. I said you can say anything you want about where it\u0026#39;s going and probably you\u0026#39;ll be right, but there\u0026#39;s going to be a million other things happening to that nobody could have predicted. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean it\u0026#39;s really. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, where are you crossing into this world? I mean, what are you do? We have three or four projects. We have three or four projects going that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m involved in the company. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And so where are you? I\u0026#39;m at the experiment where you experiment. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I\u0026#39;m experimenting in the personal, like my personal experience with it. We\u0026#39;re not using it as it\u0026#39;s not integrated in any way into my company that you\u0026#39;re you know our stuff yet, but I can see that it could be. I mean, I looked at, you know, one of the things that we do we have a subscription for. We have two different versions one for realtors, one for financial advisors of a postcard newsletter called the world\u0026#39;s most interesting postcard and it\u0026#39;s essentially a carrier for referral programming that you as a realtor or a financial advisor would send to your top 150 relationships so that you are programming them to notice conversations about real estate, to think about you and introduce you to the person that they had the conversation with. And it\u0026#39;s been, you know, a phenomenal game changer for the amount of referrals that people get, measured as a you know, return on relationship, the percentage of repeat and referral business you get from your top 150 relationships. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI haven\u0026#39;t had four years we\u0026#39;ve been doing it for 12 years now a monthly postcard where we have someone research and put together there might be 16, you know just short interesting facts that you put on the front of the postcard and it\u0026#39;s got a nice design and so it\u0026#39;s easy to read. It\u0026#39;s kind of just like you know interesting things and the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI started thinking about, well, if I did what, if I did one specifically for for financial advisors, that all the facts and stuff are money related. And I just asked chat GPT one day. I said can you write to you know 10 short interesting facts about the history of money? And it started, you know writing the things. And then I asked it to you know, make it a little more interesting things. And it, you know, put it out. And I said you can be 20 more. And it was like boom, all interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, absolutely I say yeah, and you\u0026#39;re, you\u0026#39;re, you\u0026#39;re designing, though, as you go along, there\u0026#39;s probably an interactive thing going on between yeah right, I\u0026#39;m just you know there\u0026#39;s two a I a. Breakthroughs consist of two a you know the first day I as artificial intelligence, the second one is called actual intelligence. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, exactly so. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m bringing the actual intelligence. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah, I said it was so funny, Dan, because I said to it Well, these are great. How many do you think you could? It said well, I can make an infinite number of these. How many would you like? And it was just so funny that I ended up with like 50 of these you know, and just instantly done and I thought you know that\u0026#39;s a really interesting thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAgain, those are, you know it\u0026#39;s content related. I came, I had this idea of you know I think there are 400 and something cognitive biases that are, and I just started how many, how many of you mastered it Right exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd you know it\u0026#39;s an interesting thing. I said can you make a three minute video script describing confirmation, bias, the facts about what it is and how it might be, how it might be deployed or come into play and how to defend against it? And it wrote this amazing like just you know, intro this, then scene of this, and then this, and narrator says that there\u0026#39;s the script. You know, and it was just. I mean, when you look at the putting together of the different things, I saw this. I saw someone do a demonstration of you know having it write some. It was writing ads, video ads for something, and it they had gone to one of the gone to 11 labs. I think is a place where you train your voice. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo it\u0026#39;s got your voice. And then it went to another place that had your digital, you know avatar, you know from video of you, and then it combined this AI written script with your voice through your face on your avatar on video and it\u0026#39;s instantly translated into any language where your mouth moves and your mouth is saying the words in Japanese or German or French or whatever and I just man, it\u0026#39;s just such a like you can see, that\u0026#39;s a you know. The distribution of Content like that, you know, is amazing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut then it\u0026#39;s still so that\u0026#39;s everything I\u0026#39;ve seen has been Content related, you know kind of yeah, creation and as a multiplier for content creation. But then the bigger you know we\u0026#39;ve had the conversation that the bigger you know. Picture of that is that our brains we still can\u0026#39;t consume At any more than the speed of reality, which is 60 minutes per hour right, it takes us. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and the other thing is that we can only think about one thing at a time, you know? I mean, we can\u0026#39;t think two things at the same time. Humans just can\u0026#39;t do this and you know, and, as you say, it\u0026#39;s reality, world, time-based, you know, and really Successful people have learned firsthand just what can get be gotten done in an hour a day and and, and then also it\u0026#39;s developed a sense of discernment about just what\u0026#39;s worth having your mind on for an hour for a whole day and you know and that you know, and I\u0026#39;ve dropped I\u0026#39;m noticing I\u0026#39;m shedding all sorts of things as I Approach 80. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eJust I dropped televisions. I\u0026#39;m in my sixth year now dropping television and and people say, but you\u0026#39;re a big sports fan. And I said, oh, I\u0026#39;ve got a trick. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI said I wait till the game. I I\u0026#39;ve got. I wait till the game, as though I\u0026#39;ll use Cleveland Brown says an example and I just checked. I checked the score. You know the scores are in now. It\u0026#39;s some beyond game time. Did they win or lose? Well, if they lost, I\u0026#39;m not interested. If they won, then they have a 10-minute video of the highlights and that\u0026#39;s my game, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I know they\u0026#39;ve won and then I just get a chance to see how they won. Okay, if they lose. I don\u0026#39;t watch it because I, because that doesn\u0026#39;t do me any good, doesn\u0026#39;t do me any. I\u0026#39;m already disappointed they lost. Why would I pile on and people said, yeah, but you\u0026#39;re missing? All the excitement of the game. And I said I said yes. I said I want to be excited about other things. I don\u0026#39;t want to be excited about, yeah, people who are one third of my age, I think. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI\u0026#39;m coming through for me or not coming through for me? I want to see the final result. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve been contemplating Dan because, I I find that embarrassingly. Much of my time is screen-sucking. You know, as our friend, there\u0026#39;s a lot of, there\u0026#39;s a lot of screen-sucking and I would count television and YouTube and tiktok and Facebook and Anytime my eyeballs are sucking dopamine in through my screen as that time. And I\u0026#39;ve been experimenting with, you know, disconnecting from the the dopamine device you know, and so this morning was one of those times. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI\u0026#39;m trying to get to a point where I can get as far into my day without having any, you know, digital input, and I think that there\u0026#39;s a real Face that I could go, you know, all the way till noon with no Contact with the outside world and that, I think, would be a better thing for me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut it\u0026#39;s amazing how your body like I went over to the cafe this morning to get some, get a coffee and just sit outside and you know I didn\u0026#39;t take my phone I woke up. I still wake up in the. You know the first thing, you know, I checked my phone or whatever. I left it here and I went to the, the cafe, and it\u0026#39;s amazing how your brain is Is like saying you know, wait a second, what if anything? What if you? What? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e if you break down. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e What if you\u0026#39;re what? If you get an accident or you need to call somebody here, what? What about that? And then I realized I don\u0026#39;t know a single person\u0026#39;s phone number. I don\u0026#39;t know what single phone number except my office, you know, and not there\u0026#39;s nobody there, but that\u0026#39;s, it\u0026#39;s very funny to me, that\u0026#39;s where your mind goes. And then I had that. I took real money because normally I use my Apple pay on my phone to pay for it and so. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI had real paper money with me and it was just. It was so interesting to sit at the cafe and just watch everybody you know, all you know, even together screen sucking the whole time and I\u0026#39;ve been experimenting, see like how much can I Disconnect from that in a proactive way, right, like well, it\u0026#39;s interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s interesting because in the year you\u0026#39;re applying the concept of intermittent fasting. Yeah, exactly that, yeah, you\u0026#39;re going through. You know I\u0026#39;m going to spend three hours or four hours when. I fast you know yeah. Because your brain will find something to do if you\u0026#39;re not right now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I\u0026#39;ll talk with you fixing. I mean, I remember this is something interesting. I was really going as far as like, how far Down can I go with this? Right, like what would I truly be missing? I do. I use my phone all the time for everything. I mean texting, email, ordering food, you know all of the stuff. Entertainment talking, and I was. I remember there was a show about the royalty, I think it was called the crown, and maybe it was a movie about the queen, but I remember this was struck me as very like, very interesting is that every day at a certain time 5pm, maybe, noon or sometime they would bring the queen a red box. Was everything that she needed for the day, everything that needed her attention, kind of thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I thought how neat would that be. What would be interesting if I could, at 5pm every day, get a box that has every thing that I need, like any emails that have come in, any texts that have come in, any you know articles of interest. That would be, you know, something that I would need and I wondered about that getting rid of. Like you know, I check on that judge report and you know I the news. Like seeing different things that are going on in the world and I thought to myself I wonder what happened if I went to, like you know, paper subscriptions to Newsweek, time magazine and the Wall Street Journal as the my connection to the world. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003eI\u0026#39;ve gone beyond that because I used to get five papers a day. I got two Toronto papers. I got the Wall Street Journal, I got New York Times and National Post. Well, national Post was Globe and the Post for the two Toronto papers, and then the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times, and the fifth one was Business, business Investor\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Daily. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, right, yeah, investor\u0026#39;s Business Daily, and. But I began to realize that I all those papers. The only thing I was really interested in was the Opinions section. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOkay, where the people wrote oversight articles. In other words, they were looking at us something and they were writing that. And then you know politics. I began to notice that in the newspaper world they were making most of their money after a while on subscriptions, because the advertising dollars were being taken away by Facebook and Google and yeah, and they had to go to digital versions on a subscription basis, and what that did is that it polarized the media in the sense that, for example, the Wall Street Journal, I would say 80 to 90% of its subscription probably is center or center right on the political spectrum. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere\u0026#39;s center right and the New. York Times is barely center, mostly to the left, and I noticed that the Globe and Mail is now center to the left and the Globe and Mail or the Post is still somewhat into the right into the right and the investors business daily only has Opinions on Saturday. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey only have a real commentary section. So, yes, Okay. So what I began looking for, I said, well, still hit or miss, because there may be some good stuff or not good stuff. So I went to this aggregator which is called Real Clear, comes out of Chicago and all they do is aggregate article headings and they\u0026#39;re almost all. They\u0026#39;re all commentary, Okay. So every morning and six days a week they do an update at three o\u0026#39;clock in the afternoon. So you get up in the morning and they have that, and then at three o\u0026#39;clock in the afternoon they have an update. They don\u0026#39;t do this on Saturday. Okay, there\u0026#39;s one day when they don\u0026#39;t do it Right but then they have all sorts of real clear. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey have real clear politics, they have real clear policy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey have real clear market real clear world real clear defense, real clear energy, real clear health, real clear science, and those are more. They\u0026#39;re picking up a periodicals rather than daily, yes, and so I just get up in the morning and I look and I click on three or four of them and they come for the New York Times as lucky if they get one every day, and some of them have paywalls so that when you go to their thing they\u0026#39;re saying well, you can read the article if you pay for a subscription, and that counts them out. You know, I\u0026#39;m not going to pay, I\u0026#39;m not going to sign up for a subscription to get one article. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eRight so yeah, so, so, anyway. So that\u0026#39;s what I\u0026#39;ve done. So and I\u0026#39;m down now to. Babs gets the post because she likes knowing Toronto things, but I don\u0026#39;t bother looking at the, for the last two or three weeks they\u0026#39;ve had great articles. It\u0026#39;s mainly how our Prime Minister is going down the drain which I always find comforting reading. And then the Israeli, israeli Amos situation and that\u0026#39;s been a great clarifier, Boy. You really find out where people stand with this particular issue. That\u0026#39;s been a really great clarifier herself. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. So anyway, but that\u0026#39;s how I handle it, I handle it. That\u0026#39;s been sort of my red box. Real clear is my red box. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right yeah that\u0026#39;s interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know what they call that the thing that the clean gets. I don\u0026#39;t know what they call it. They call it the red box. Okay, that\u0026#39;s what I thought, that\u0026#39;s what you know that red, you know that red box she gets every day you know what they call it the red box. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That is so funny, but I thought about experimenting with that, getting a red box and the government has to prepare them for. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The Prime Minister\u0026#39;s office has to prepare them for her Right, exactly yeah. Yeah, because they\u0026#39;re both in town once a week. The Prime Minister has to come to the palace and you know and deliver in person. You know some of the crucial issues. This is not recorded. No one ever goes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right A weekly audience with the Queen Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah, and the King now I guess? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I guess the King. Should we send the red box to the King? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s kind of hard to say. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s kind of hard to say, you know it\u0026#39;s kind of hard to say King. How do you say King? You know? Because he was in for seven, seven years or so. Yeah, there was a great play, actually was called the interview. I saw it, and I saw it in London, right around the corner from the hotel. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Helen Merrin was the Queen. Helen Merrin was the Queen and that what they did is all the Prime Ministers that she\u0026#39;s had, starting with Winston Churchill, right up until last year. I guess there were a whole bunch of Prime Ministers over the last two or three years, so anyway, but she that just talked about it was all made up, because nobody really knows what\u0026#39;s that, but they just used topical issues of the time and you know, and whether she got along with the Prime Ministers or not, or and everything else, and it was very, just a really terrific, really terrific play. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I saw Napoleon on Thanksgiving Day. What\u0026#39;d you think? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e What\u0026#39;d you think I? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e didn\u0026#39;t like it Did you see it. I haven\u0026#39;t. It was as we like to say, Dan. There was a lot of middle in that movie. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It was all middle it joined in progress and just never left the middle. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e There were only two scenes that were repeated six times. There was the drama in the palace and then there was battle scenes with horses and bayonets and cannons and on and on the same battle scenes, again and again, and then back to the palace and it was really. I didn\u0026#39;t enjoy it at all, I didn\u0026#39;t have. No, it was my shortest movie review ever. I looked at the camera, shook my head and said Nope, and then I hashtagged it Nope, olean, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and, but I have no real historical knowledge of, you know, of Napoleon, but I did. You know, the most interesting thing was at the end they did a summary of all the people that were lost in battles, like 6 million people. In his period of being the king he lost in battle. That was. That\u0026#39;s crazy, you know, 6 million seemed like that, seemed like a lot. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, we must use all of them up, because his final battle was 1815. That\u0026#39;s when Waterloo was you know the final battle, and then there was not a major European war until the beginning of the beginning of the first World War. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo it was 99 years so he must have used everybody up because it took a whole century to stack up again. Yeah, and you know, yeah, I mean a lot of American history, american history really, you know, from the British fighting the French. You know that\u0026#39;s really where the American thing starts, it\u0026#39;s. I don\u0026#39;t know what they call it. You know they call it the seven years war here in Canada, but in the United States it was called the French and Indian war. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou, know, and this was 1817, 50s, 1763, seven years. But this is where all the American colonists got their military training, which they then used to go to for self fighting the British. Oh wow, 1717. So George Washington was an American born. You know, they were all British. I mean, they were all British. Yeah, all the colonists were British. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then and anyway, but that takes you right up until he I think Napoleon comes in around 1793 and he was in for 22 years but he totally changed Europe. I mean, he was like a major earthquake that went right across the continent and that really changed things. You know, Hitler was great, Hitler was great. Admirer of Napoleon, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And that right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e He made, and he made the same mistake. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003eHe invaded. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Russia. Right right right, right right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s yeah. So I\u0026#39;m going to save you from from that yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well it\u0026#39;s not a it\u0026#39;s not a topic that I\u0026#39;m really interested in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, I\u0026#39;ve never heard you talk about Napoleon. No. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I just you know, but he, he not only was a significant military person, he was very significant politician. Because that\u0026#39;s where we get the metric metric system is from Napoleon. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s right yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And they didn\u0026#39;t have any standard measurements in Europe. Okay, you know, I mean the British had their own. But you know, the British is kind of an organic thing that\u0026#39;s developed over time feet inches, feet yards, and everything, stones, yeah, and the lightfully accent, and it\u0026#39;s idiosyncratic, it\u0026#39;s eccentric, eccentric. The British are eccentric, you know. And he wanted this 100, everything, as you know, and it took all the fun out of it, took all the fun out of measurement, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You imagine. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e American, American baseball and metric, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e American football and metric. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah Well, even the Canadian football. They use yards and peeps and you know everything like that, you know all the funny. Yeah, track and field they don\u0026#39;t, because that\u0026#39;s more of a European thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, yeah, world stage Anyway well, it\u0026#39;s really interesting, but I\u0026#39;d like to pick up a little bit more on this couple themes that we\u0026#39;ve developed over the last a few talks, and one of them, and what I think, is that every human being is a confirmation bias. Okay, say more about that. Well, you\u0026#39;re biased according to the experience that\u0026#39;s proved useful or not useful, okay, okay, okay, so you\u0026#39;ve used a term you know to great movies that are not worth seeing a lot of the middle. Okay, yeah, so there\u0026#39;s a lot. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI don\u0026#39;t remember if there was. I don\u0026#39;t remember if there was a beginning and or an ending, and Battles and battles. That\u0026#39;s right and palace, you know, but I think that really thing because I think that it\u0026#39;s impossible for human beings not to have the bias. Yeah, I think that\u0026#39;s what I do, what I do think as the smarter human beings know what their biases are and Choose them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah they actually choose them. Yeah, and, and you know, as it just strikes me that this whole notion of neutrality neutrality that you can be unbiased is, I Think it\u0026#39;s just silly how could you? Possibly be on. I mean, that\u0026#39;s right in the world. You wouldn\u0026#39;t survive. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. And the words of Milton Friedman to field on at you. Where do you propose we find these angels to organize society Without regards the personal interest or bias? I don\u0026#39;t even trust you to do that, Phil. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve watched that about. I\u0026#39;ve watched that about ten times. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s such a great thing, because you can just see that Phil Donahue just has this sort of fluffy, waffly form of logic. You know, all, all, basically emotion based. You know emotion, yeah, I mean, he didn\u0026#39;t have. Our Perspective new Prime Minister here is getting a lot of fight. When you finish here, go on Google and say here, paulie of you know, you know how to spell it, don\u0026#39;t you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e yes, okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Takes down reporter. Just he just took down a reporter and it was one of the most masterful take downs of reporter Ever, and he did it while chewing an apple. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I love it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So he\u0026#39;s being interviewed, and he\u0026#39;s, and the person says, well, you know, you know, you\u0026#39;re taking a very ideological approach. He says ideological, what\u0026#39;s that? Well, what\u0026#39;s ideological? And the reporter says, well, you know, it\u0026#39;s more emotion based. And he says name a name, an example there. Name an example, well you know, and it gets round that he\u0026#39;s reproducing Donald Trump and you know that\u0026#39;s the ultimate killer, that\u0026#39;s the kill shots. You know you call somebody Donald Trump, he\u0026#39;s not right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNo. And he says, well, a lot of the experts. And he says experts, name one expert and and the reporter did not have a specific piece of information, that was all this fluffy narrative and you could just see the guy was flailing and meanwhile Pierre Polyov is just eating, example, and he says do you have an actual point to this interview? There\u0026#39;s some. And the guy you could just see the guy you know. You know they didn\u0026#39;t show that, show him in full, but I bet you know there was a puddle under his feet when he was finished. Yeah, yeah, and he\u0026#39;s just learned how to deal with this whole issue that they try to catch you on their words. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, exactly, I don\u0026#39;t even know, what that word means. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean do you know what that word is? You just used a word I don\u0026#39;t know what that word is and he says well, you know, you\u0026#39;re doing left versus right and he says Name a time when I\u0026#39;ve actually said that I\u0026#39;ve never said love first right. I don\u0026#39;t believe them love first right. So I believe in common sense and I\u0026#39;m kind of bored the side that has common sense. So we haven\u0026#39;t had any of you just aren\u0026#39;t used to it because we haven\u0026#39;t had any common sense for the last eight years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo anyway, and he\u0026#39;s. I think he\u0026#39;s a phenomenal debater, you know because he\u0026#39;s been in he\u0026#39;s 44 years old and he\u0026#39;s been in parliament for 19 years. I think he\u0026#39;s a phenomenal debater, you know because he\u0026#39;s been in. He\u0026#39;s 44 years old and he\u0026#39;s been in parliament for 19 years. You know, he\u0026#39;s been there since he was 25 and wow, yeah, but it\u0026#39;s really interesting to watch it. You know, I mean, and I\u0026#39;m very biased towards his side of. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You have a cognitive bias around him. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I have a total. I have a total cognitive bias. That\u0026#39;s funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I love it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, okay, so anyway, fascinating where this is going, but I think this AI thing is a Much what should I call it here? I think it\u0026#39;s a Catalyst for a real mind change and how we think about everything. I think the team with interacting with this technology Is actually introducing us to how we actually think about things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think you\u0026#39;re right, because you have to bring that to it. Yeah, so you are. You are off to Phoenix. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, we fly out on Tuesday and then we\u0026#39;re there until Saturday morning. We\u0026#39;re there until Sunday morning because I can\u0026#39;t take more than two days of Sitting in a room and so we\u0026#39;re off to Chicago and then we have a Chicago week, we have a. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI just have one workshop. I have the free zone on Thursday. Yes, yeah, so so anyway, you know, yeah, it\u0026#39;s been a good year. It\u0026#39;s been actually it\u0026#39;s been a very Sailing kind of year. I haven\u0026#39;t had any real-time crunches or anything else. Been a great right, that\u0026#39;s awesome. And so then we\u0026#39;re back, are you? And yeah, and so June 12th, june 18th, is our first free zone in Toronto. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, you\u0026#39;ve set the date already. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, oh great. Yeah, and now I\u0026#39;ll just forward Tammy, who is the wizard mastermind of scheduling here, tammy coville. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And I\u0026#39;ll just send you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ll just forward her announcement. It just came through two days ago, so I\u0026#39;ll just yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And we\u0026#39;re doing it in June. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, it\u0026#39;s not nice starting it off in June? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I love that. I love that I do miss Toronto. Yeah, I love it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Toronto misses you, I think Toronto misses you oh Honey. I love it. Yeah, there\u0026#39;s no more table 10 anywhere. I haven\u0026#39;t found a table 10 anywhere. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We\u0026#39;re gonna need a new. We\u0026#39;ll need a new venue. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh well, we\u0026#39;ll go. I mean less elective still there and they\u0026#39;re still good, so we\u0026#39;ll go okay good Okay, perfect Okay okay, dan, have a great trip two weeks. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We\u0026#39;ll be back. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m sorry. Two weeks, two weeks, okay, perfect, yeah, okay, okay, I\u0026#39;ll talk to you then. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Thanks Okay, bye, bye. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In today's episode of Cloudlandia we weave through various topics. Dan shares his journey with stem cell treatments, from the miraculous changes in his mobility and pain to the improvements in Babs' condition post-injections. \r\n\r\nAs we delve into regenerative therapies, discover the future of diagnostics where AI and DNA merge to transform healthcare. I also recount surprising neurofeedback session benefits and reflections on technology's paradigm shifts over time. \r\n\r\nOur discussion explores Indify's pioneering artist venture capital model and investing in human potential, drawing inspiration from visionaries like Musk and Jobs. \r\n\r\nLastly we examine managing our digital lives, I offer tech fasting insights and preview Toronto's upcoming free zone community event with excitement. \r\n","date_published":"2024-01-17T08:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/8b33b150-4a61-4d63-96a5-419f83acf777.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":44149739,"duration_in_seconds":3676}]},{"id":"16dd2de4-a0cf-49e7-b697-d32813732c18","title":"Ep114: The Art of Self-Management","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/114","content_text":"In today's episode of Welcome To Cloudlandia, I share the story of my unexpected adventure travelling to Buenos Aires for a pioneering knee stem cell treatment. \n\nI describe how my blood and fat cells were transformed into new cartilage and transported across continents for the procedure. I also recount my partner Babs' experience treating an inflamed toe and the vitality we've regained. \n\nOur discussion explores the pursuit of longevity and regenerative medicine's potential to make 156-year lifespans attainable through the normalization of audacious goals. \n\nWe delve into hopes for abundant years energized by purpose and new ventures. Additionally, I discuss the art of self-talk and strategies like daily focus tasks negotiated through self-management. \n\n\u0026amp;nbsp\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\n  Dan shares his transformative experience with stem cell treatment in Buenos Aires, describing the process of turning his own cells into cartilage.\n  We discuss the broader implications of regenerative medicine and how it might extend our lifespans and rejuvenate our vitality.\n  The episode touches on the concept of setting ambitious longevity goals, like living to 156 years, to guide life's endeavors and encourage significant projects.\n  Dean talks about the importance of mental self-management and compares it to a daily negotiation to focus on critical tasks.\n  We delve into the balance between productive 'focus days' and the freedom of 'buffer days', and how each contributes to overall productivity and creativity.\n  The conversation includes insights on the internal quest for happiness and whether the 'fountain of youth' might be a state of mind.\n  Dean and I examine the concept of 'Dean Landia', a metaphor for the mental environment we create and have control over.\n  We discuss the entrepreneurial mindset, emphasizing the role of deadlines, and the Danger, Opportunity, and Strength (DOS) and Money, Labor, and Time (MLT) frameworks for success.\n  The episode reflects on how personal goals influence our actions and the normalization of extraordinary ambitions to build confidence.\n  Dean describes his experience with stem cell treatment for his knee injury and his partner Babs' treatment for an inflamed toe, highlighting the physical and psychological benefits they've experienced post-treatment.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean: I wouldn't have it any other way. Welcome, Mr Claude Ladiak. Mr. \n\nDan: Jackson. Mr Jackson, yeah Well, very pleasant woman who, and you know, I was the first one on today and she said you're the first one to Join the call, the others will join pretty soon and so far, in about seven years, only one person has shown up. So I want to know who the? Others are. Is this the National Security Agency? Is this the Communist Party of China? I'm just trying to get a handle of who the others are. \n\nDean: I think you're probably right once, two or more Gathered that everybody is. \n\nDan: Yeah, but I found that just the two of us is more than enough. That's the truth. \n\nDean: Well, I am excited to hear about all of your Adventures here You've been. You've been all over the world. Here seems like you've been in Chicago. You've been in most exciting Lee Buena Flores. Yes, I'm excited to hear all about the Adventure here. \n\nDan: Yeah Well, spire Chicago goes. I missed the bullets, so that's all I can report on we're not. We're not in the part of the city that's in the crossfire zone, but anyway yeah. Buenos Aires was interesting. \n\nIt's only the second time I've been to South America, and the first time was just to land in Ecuador, co City in Ecuador, and then we took a flight to the Galapagos Islands and this was as the guest of Richard Rossi, who put together, you know, a gathering that went to the Galapagos Islands and you know the plain lands and one of the islands, and then you take a National Geographic boat and I think it's Linblad and National Geographic and then you know we investigated all the sea life and the animal life which are, you know, very distinct from what's found elsewhere, and that was great, but it was mostly just painting out, with a whole bunch of people that were interesting to talk to. \n\nSo that's only the first time and that was a long time ago. And then we just do Create the setting here. The context, again, as a result of being a guest of Richard Rossi, has a mastermind group which is called Da Vinci 50, and Babs and I took us two or three years to get our schedule right so that we could Guarantee our attendance at all the different meetings, but the very first one, this was in New Orleans. This was last January. I met a doctor, babs. I met a doctor there from Buenos Aires by the name of Gustavo Mabilia, and, and he told a story about what he's doing with stem cells and these are your own stem cells, white blood cells and fat cells that if you collect them and then send them. It's not an entirely easy process to get them to Argentina, but we got them there and he would then convert them into the stelle, the stem cells that you're having problem with your and your body and I have an orthopedic injury in 1975. \n\nI tore my cartilage in the left knee and in those days they would Take out the torn cartilage. They wouldn't do that today, but that's you know, that was the best that was going 48 years ago. And he said oh, we can regrow your cartilage. She said we can the part that was snipped out. We can regrow that cartilage and I said that's cool. \n\nThat's cool. Yeah, I was convinced that Babs has a chronically inflamed right toe that really impedes a lot of her walking or exercise and it's inflamed bones. So I didn't know that bones got inflamed. It shows up on MRIs when you do an MRI. So long story short, through dr Hasi, who's our main Medical guide and explorer for us in Nashville, tennessee. He's got a clinic there called Maxwell Clinic. He did all the, you know the coordination before us to. You know, make sure that our stem cells were there, make sure that the they turn it into a magic potion I don't know too much more about it and he arranged with for our trip down. So we went. This is so. Yesterday was Saturday, we're talking on Sundays, it was two. Two Saturdays ago we took an overnight flight to Buenos Aires, where it's now springtime because they're in the other hemisphere. \n\nYeah, it's more complicated than I'm telling you, but that's the upshot of it for the week and and so, as far as the you know, the brain cells and the vascular cells, the only thing I can say and I have to be, I think I have to be cautious here, but because I have, like a lot of entrepreneurs do, I have the ability to create my own placebo's. \n\nDean: Right. \n\nDan: Yeah, okay so all. I can say I've come back after the trip and we had. We came back after seven days and and this week I have felt more energized and more confident. \n\nDean: Then I can remember recently sounds like quite an adventure and the upside yeah, gonna be. The upside is gonna be a total new development of cartilage in your knee specifically. Second, what's the Hope for it Like? Are you gonna have the knees of a preteen Swedish boy, or are you gonna Just have the normal knees of 79? \n\nDan: well, basically yeah, I'll basically have the, basically the knee I had before the injury. Okay so that's 48 years, so six months, and the orthopedic is pretty easy for them. I mean, they're doing some advanced work and other parts of the body, but the cartilage is, you know, it's pretty, it's not a complicated thing, right? But what happens is they take my blood cells and my fat cells and they turn, essentially turn it into new cartilage cells and that's. You know, that's what stem cells are that? How? \n\nDean: does it gather. \n\nDan: Yeah, well it's. This was all done in Nashville and. \n\nSo, what they do is they? You know it's, it's basically a centrifuge and you have an IV in both arms and the blood that gets taken out and it's, and they take the white blood cells out and then you know it's simultaneously they're taking blood out now return it to your body, but they're taking the white blood cells, which is far prior less of your blood than your red blood cells. Okay, actually it was like a two hour, two hour session and it was like a cup full. You know, after a big cup, a big mug full, and so that's the white blood cells and then the fat cells. You go to a plastic surgeon Because they're used to taking you know it's part of plastic surgery of taking out fat cells and so and you get enough they're, they're told how much of each are required for them to basically do a year's worth of. You know we're going to go down probably four times during the next 12 months, starting with the first trip two weeks ago. \n\nAnd they'll have enough just from that one extraction, extraction of both, they'll have enough. So next time I go down I broke both my Achilles tendons in the 1970s. That was a bad decade. That my in 1970s were just a really bad decade anyway. So anyway, and the Structurally, I mean they're shortened because of the surgery, the tendons, are shorter, but they've developed calcification. \n\nOh yeah which reduces flexibility, and it's got pain attached to it. So next time they'll Take my same fat cells and white blood cells and they'll turn it into something that gets rid of all the Calcification and my and my tendons. Yeah, so, and that will give me more push-off, it'll give me more flexibility to go along with the new cartilage. So I think probably, you know, probably I'll be gaining back about 30 or 40 years of Running ability out of my legs, you know. \n\nDean: I always Run for his money yeah. \n\nDan: Well, yeah, I just want to run again. I enjoy running and I haven't been and it's been too painful to do for the last 10 years. And then the whole thing is the overall, the Direct injection. You're just going after a particular issue, but the IV, the, it goes into your brain and it looks for anywhere where your brain cells Are not performing correctly and it wakes them up. So the stem cells don't cure anything, they just wake up the natural cells that are there and they start growing again. \n\nAnd the same thing with the Vax vascular system. That's your, but I. I would say that Knowing that now I have the means to repair anything in my body as soon as it's identified as a problem is Very confidence. \n\nDean: It's very confidence building you know it's very and. \n\nDan: I was noticing that I had sort of blot into Sort of why I know I'm wearing down and I know that there's an end to it at some point, but I hadn't realized how much that was until I got the other thought that, no, almost anything that's going wrong with you you can repair now and you can rejuvenate it, and so that's a. That's a huge confidence builder. \n\nDean: Yeah, and it's really I mean perfectly timely, right as you're entering into, you know, in my ninth decade. Yeah, exactly entering into your ninth decade with the goal of it being the best decade ever which I love that framework, by the way and at a time when normally it would be, you know, physical deterioration happening, you're like physical rejuvenation. \n\nDan: You're going backwards on that thing, yeah, I mean yeah, you know the there's so many factors that are involved in aging, and some of it is just the fact that your cells only reproduce 50 times. Okay, there's a thing which is called the Haflick barrier. This is a I don't know quite what kind of scientists he was, but he found that every cell in the body and there's 20, I think, 26,000 different types of cells in the body, some number like that they all reproduce only 50 times, as far as they can tell, but they don't do it equally. They don't, they don't. They're not doing it at the same time. Heart muscles might be faster, other cells are slower, but it sort of reaches the limit of everything by the time you're 120. We only have one person on record where there's actual valid records of birth who has lived 120. \n\nShe also lived, she also. She got to 122. She died. A French woman who died about 10 years ago. \n\nDean: And that's the only person that. \n\nDan: I mean, there's all these claims, you know, you know around the world, the people who lived at 200 and 300 and everything else, but they don't have any valid records which actually established that. So anyway, but but most people don't get to 120. \n\nDean: Right, exactly. \n\nDan: Yeah, I mean, even if you only got to 120,. I said, even if you only got to 120,. I said well yeah, I mean, if you're an entrepreneur and you're at top of your game at 60, and you're saying, no, I guess I have to retire pretty soon. Well, the decision to retire is sort of telling your body it doesn't matter how long the body lasts now I mean, it can go really quickly. \n\nBut if I know I'll be 18 next May and if I know that I can stay in top form for another 25 or 30 years at the top of my game right now, then that's a big deal. \n\nDean: Yeah, I look at, I saw me. You know, bob Barker died earlier this year at 99. And the thing that was going around with that, he got to as close to 100 as he could without going over the big showcase showdown. Kind of close to 100. \n\nDan: But you know George Burns, the comedian, very famous mid-century 20th century, you know, 40s through the 80s or 90s. He had a goal that he was going to do a full show at the Palladium in London, big Venue in London, england, and he did it. And then and I always gave him as an example because he was performing full time in his 90s and then- did an actual 100th birthday. \n\nAnd then he was in a shower about four weeks later, he slept, broke his hip and he died two weeks later. And I said, George, you didn't understand what you did. You should have set another date for when you were 110. Exactly. \n\nDean: Isn't that amazing, I wonder? Yeah, I mean, that's kind of a. You've been programming yourself for 156 for as long as I've known you Since 1987, you know since 19, 36 years right now, yeah. Yeah. So that's kind of you know. You're just approaching or just at the halfway mark there ramping up, gaining speed, gaining momentum. \n\nDan: Well, people say do you really think you're going to live to 156? And I said I know I won't if I don't have it as a goal. Amen. \n\nDean: Well. Danny just setting yourself up for disappointment. \n\nDan: Well not me everybody who ends up with my messes after I'm gone. You know when I'm gone. What do I care? \n\nDean: Exactly, that's the point. I love that. \n\nDan: I love, I laugh. \n\nDean: I tell people that all the time, when you said the just for you, it's just going to be live, live, that's better. There, you go, you're not going to experience the disappointment. \n\nDan: There's a great French philosopher from the 1600s named Blaise Pascal. \n\nDean: And there's a blaze. \n\nDan: There's a Pascal wager. And he says you know, when you think about it, all of us regarding if there's anything after this life, it's a guess. You know it's a guess and it's a bet and he says but let's just take a look at the two bets. There's nothing after you die. Okay. \n\nDean: Okay well that's cool. \n\nDan: The other one is there's a whole other world after I die. And he says it's not so much which makes the best sense after you die. It's what bet makes the sense right now? Because if you think that there is a whole world afterwards and it turns out there's nothing, well you really haven't lost anything, because you know there's nothing, but what? If you believe your whole life there isn't anything after death, and then you find out that there and they said you know, and you said geez, if only I had. \n\nOh my God, if I had known this and he's believing there's a afterlife is a much better bet, psychologically and emotionally, for right now. Yeah, yeah so I'm kind of a. I'm a kind of a Pascal wager kind of guy. \n\nMm, hmm, that, I mean, is so back then everybody you know lived a life that took the natural course. You know I mean living to 60 and 70 in those days was kind of an achievement, with all the different ways you could die back then disease and you know and violence unless you were, unless you were, matthew's a lot. Yeah, yeah, but birth records. \n\nDean: No documentation. \n\nDan: I'm sorry, Matthew's a lot. I'm sorry, but where's your come on? Where's your papers? That's everybody. \n\nDean: Every time I think about muscle, I think about our Aubrey, aubrey de Grey. Yeah and the Missusola prize. Have you heard any updates on that? I've kind of lost the past. No, I saw video. \n\nDan: I saw a video of him talking and I got a feeling that that Living living two or three times more than natural, but not being happy right now is probably Not a good bet, because I didn't get the sense that he was a happy. I didn't get the sense that he was a happy person, you know. So I mean you never know, I mean people who never saw aren't necessarily unhappy, and people who smile all the time aren't necessarily happy, you know. \n\nDean: I mean happiness. \n\nDan: Yeah, an internal disc, it's an internal disposition, yeah. But anyway, you know I'm just reporting back. I'm sort of a bit of a trailblazer in relationship to this stuff, but I'm only. I will tell you, dean, I was thinking about this when I was in Buenos Aires that if I didn't have that goal of living to 156, I wouldn't be doing this stuff right now. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's true, right, you're already in traditionally if you speak about like. I'm beyond refund right now. You know, I mean, you're out of warranty. Right now You're an extra innings Actuarial tables. You're an actual outlier. \n\nDan: Yeah, but I'm really a profit center for the insurance companies. It's just been me paying them, just been me paying them up until now. I love it. \n\nDean: Dan is so great. I think this is like that's one of the great things of you know being alive at this time in particular, just all the access to these things. That's only gonna get better, as we understand. I remember when I went to the first, the first abundance 360 and Richard Rossi's friend, gary Kaplan, was there with us. I think you've met Dr Kaplan. \n\nDan: Oh no, Gary. Yeah, Gary, you know, I see him every, I see him at every defense. She 50 maybe. \n\nDean: You know, he's a great guy Okay yeah. Yeah, I really went to the go out there. \n\nDan: I went to the go out because silence with Gary, so we had a lot of time to talk. \n\nDean: So I've known him for a long time, you know, well, I remember when this was. This had to be Almost 10 years ago, right 9, 9 years ago. Anyway, the first abundance 360, not the very first one, the first one in LA Beverly Hills Hotel there, and you know I'm sitting with him and he was Saying you know, when you look at all the medical advancements that are coming right now, this is back then you said it's gonna. \n\nIt's gonna seem like we've been Throwing rocks at people to get them healthy, you know, compared to what's actually coming. I mean, yeah, we would describe what you know regenerative, and that's a good word. That's kind of become, you know, newly minted. Regenerative medicine is All the things from the on a cellular level regenerative Regeneration, replacement. You know we're pretty much going to be able to replace everything Before we repair it or repair it. Yeah, replace repair, regenerate right. \n\nDan: And that's pretty cool. So, yeah, I like well, I think, the hmm, I got involved with Peter Diamandas in I'm just trying to think. There was December of 2011, the first before a 360 meeting. \n\nWe didn't have a name for it, but this was in Silicon Valley and and one of the things that sort of connected Peter and Peter and me Was really the fact that we both had this commitment to living way beyond normal age, you know. But I had a thinking process, you know. Of course it's the first hour of strategic coach, which is the lifetime extender. \n\nAnd he came in at that time and I said you know it's not a goal you can achieve unless you can normalize it as a normal thought. I said you know our brain, and Our brain really resists abnormal thoughts. We, it has to be normal. \n\nSo I set myself the goal in 1987 that every time I thought of my lifetime I would just think 156, you know, you know, at that time, life expectancy for males you know of my background and you know the thing was 78, so 156 is twice and so it took me about three years before it was just a normal thought. So whenever I you know I'm pushing 80 now and you know, and I said, well, what's my lifetime, I said 156. So at 80. That makes me very ambitious because I know I've got in my own mind, I've got, a way you know, enormous amounts of time left, really twice a lifetime 76 years. \n\nYeah, yeah, I got 76, 76 years to get things done, so it makes me Totally confident about starting new, big, new big things. And I mean your whole life is either happy or unhappy. Unhappy based on the kinds of conversations you're having with yourself. I agree. \n\nDean: I agree a hundred percent. I mean, you realize, I was realizing, I've been thinking a lot about this. You know, this straddling of the mainland and the cloud land via, and those thoughts then brought me into the actual game, which is game land is where at all happened and I realized that how much of you know Dean landia is affected by the inputs and circumstances and the Context and relationships and conversations and environments that you voluntarily Put yourself in, you know, surrounding yourself with the environment that's going to shanty people yeah, people, I mean. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: And. \n\nDan: I just had a thought, and that was triggered by your Dean Landia, that I only have direct access to one human being on the planet. You know, and same goes for you, and a lot of people spend their life. A lot of people spend their life trying not to be, not to deal with the one person they have direct access to you know they're hoping they're going to be saved from the proof that they hope something else will save them from the person that they're actually inside of, and you know so. \n\nso my, my whole point is why don't you just take ownership for the, the relationship that you have just with this one person, and you know there's new dimension, there's new dimensions presenting themselves all the time. \n\nAnd and the other insight I had and that comes from our conversations, because we're we've got a very similar approach to life on a lot of different fronts and I was thinking, you know, I've been trying to control my brain up until I think, about two years ago. I was going to control my brain and, you know, make sure my brain was focused on this and that. And I said why don't we change the relationship here and take for granted that you want, I have no control over my brain. And the other thing is why don't we just see where it goes every day? Because it's totally unpredictable. I spent one day and just sort of locked in where my brain was going that day and there was absolutely no predictability to what's forever. And I said, okay, why don't we just I'm just going to do it deal with my brain wherever it goes? During that day I wanted to do three useful things for my plans. \n\nYou can go anywhere you want, but by the end of the day, I want progress on this, I want progress on that, I want progress on that, okay just have fun, you know, do whatever you want, but by the end of the day, if you and I are going to sleep happily tonight, you know, I got to see progress on these three things. \n\nDean: Oh, my goodness, Dan, that's so funny. You know, it's like I've been having these exact conversations with myself here. It's like taking over the management. You know, it's all in that vein of you know, imagine if you applied yourself your FELF, these things of taking over the management, you just you hit it on the head that I only have direct control over one human on the planet and that's me. \n\nAnd I thought about entering and I realized that my brain, my desires, my ambition, my you know vision, the visionary in my brain here is not necessarily the one in control of the, the doing part of my brain, the labor management versus labor right. And so I was thinking about I heard one time that there's a form of contract where a you know production will enter into a contract with an actor or a celebrity, that with their company on an SSO contract which is for services of. So it would be enter, as I thought it's kind of like entering into a contract with my brain here for services of being Jackson and thinking what you just said is like those. If I could just like allocate time and attention to you know I've I've thought a lot about your thing of three, three things a day. How much I'd love to hear from you how, on a buffer day when you are I don't know how you define whether buffer day or focus you've got workshop focus days where those are like the Bob's fled run kind of thing. \n\nThat you know what's happening on a workshop day. You get up and I'm sure your car arrives at a certain time and you get taken to the workshop and everything is for my computer, or my computer does, because some of them are virtual. \n\nYes, exactly Okay. And then but on the days where I never struggle with those, I realized that everything that I do get done has that external exoskeleton or that scaffolding to make sure that gets done. If you're just in the right, all you have to do is, you know, get in the car and the rest of it is taking place, or open up the computer and sit down and you're. You know you're able to focus and deliver the workshops. \n\nBut I'm curious about your free range time, where I think I may have, like I crave and do a lot to carve out big blocks of uninterrupted time, only to end up having nothing to show for it. Because, I don't get myself to sit down and do the things that I've carved out all this time to do. I'm curious how, what your experience is on getting Dan to do stuff that requires his own batteries, I guess I'd love to hear your experience. \n\nDan: Here again, I think we're very similar and I think that's why our podcasts are so enjoyable, because to a certain extent, neither of us wants it to end when we get going. But I have one of our models in the strategic coach is a theater model which is front stage, back stage, and front stage is really, whether you have a viable company or not, it's your front stage your profitable front stage impact is what determines whether you're getting paid to take care of everything else, and I don't have to be motivated for a front stage impact. \n\nYou know, and workshops is an example, podcasts is another example, creating new thinking tools is another example, and writing books is another example, or videos or audios. So these are all front stage. In other words, if I can get this done, then it has a multiplier impact out in the world on other people, and that either me directly interacting with the world, or our coaches or our team members interacting with the world, and that ends up in profitability. Okay, so those are my focus days, but some of the days that are not focused days, I have to be preparing for those days. Okay, but anytime. \n\nI think of front stage impact preferably. I don't need to be motivated to do that, I love doing that. \n\nDean: Okay. \n\nDan: And that's my usefulness to myself, that's my usefulness to everybody I engage with. But just going back to my decision over the last two years of just letting my mind wander, when I'm not directly engaged in front stage impact activities, my brain can do anything at once. It can go anywhere and so I don't really care. Before I used to care. I'm not making use of my front stage, my back time, I'm not making it. \n\nI said leave it alone, just let it go where it wants to go, let it run, let it go out and frolic, let it explore and everything else they really run. So I mean, it took me till practically age 78 to come to this agreement with my brain, and so I'm either in hyper focus, actually doing the things that make money and spread the reputation and do all sorts of good things, or it's free reign. I really don't care. \n\nDean: And to me what it does. \n\nDan: It frees me up from the tyranny of time and effort. That you're absolutely maximizing the use of your time. I said I don't care about my time and I don't care about my effort, as long as I make a front stage a profitable front stage impact. If it takes me an hour to do that, and it's an hour if it takes me a full day workshop, then it's a full day workshop, but I don't really care about the time and the effort, I just really care about the impact. And then backstage. \n\nI just say brain, go and do whatever you want to do, think about anything you want to think about, and I couldn't care less. You don't have to justify your existence. My brain doesn't have to justify its existence when it's not on stage. \n\nDean: That's very interesting when you're creating a new tool. For instance, you introduced a tool on Friday for our pre-melt connection. Call yeah, your melt tool, and what's happening? How does that come about? What's your process? \n\nDan: for that. \n\nDean: That's one of the key outputs that you're providing is new IP and thinking tools for the thing, so how does that come about? If your mind goes, you mentioned you've read Peter Zion's book seven times now. \n\nDan: Yeah, the end of the world is just the beginning. I think it's the most important book in the world. I'm reading and I read it seven times. So it's Peter Zion. \n\nDean: Z-E-I-H-A-N. \n\nDan: And the book is called. \n\nDean: The. \n\nDan: End of the World is Just Beginning and he's written. This is the fourth book that he's written since 2014, where he's just predicting that everything we were expecting to happen 10 years ago ain't going to happen that way, and a whole new world is going to happen. \n\nDean: And he's got very plausible readings. \n\nDan: I'm not going to explain the book here but it has a profound impact on me. \n\nBut it seemed to me that he was operating at a macro geopolitical level and I said well, is there a simple sort of set of gauges, if you will underneath, that determines in any place at any time whether things are moving forward or they're stagnating or they're falling behind? And I came up, it just sort of fell out of. He doesn't talk about this directly, but after I'd read it a whole number of times, it just struck me that it was the cost of four things that determine this, and one of them was the cost of money. How much is it cost you to get money? And that comes in two forms how much is it cost you to get a loan and how much is it cost you to get an investment? Those are the two main, the financial vehicles that underlay growth. And then your profitability is the third one. Are you keeping a lot of what you're making? \n\nDean: That's savings. \n\nDan: And then the cost of energy and all of its different forms and the cost of labor getting really top notch. You have access to other people's skills, and how much is it cost you to do that? And then the cost of transportation, because we live in a physical world and to move a pound costs money including your own pounds and that costs energy and I just started playing with this. \n\nI know we did. I was mentioned on a previous one of our podcasts Mike Kenix, we did it on that and everybody I talked about it. It had a simplifying effect on their thinking. I said this is a good tool. That's all I do If you come up with an acronym and it's. M-e-l-t. And I said I think we're going into a great meltdown next 30 years where everything of those four factors is going to cost more, and you can see it. Yeah, I mean you can see it. \n\nAll you have to do is read the news every day. Most of this is going up, energy is costing more, labor is costing more and transportation is costing more. And I said so. You know, I think it's a neat way. So what I did is I just introduced a tool to the free zone entrepreneurs, just two days ago, when you were there and I said if this is true, let's just suppose that it's true, that these costs are going to go up for everyone else and what's your biggest advantage and opportunity over the next 30 years? And that's just. That would be a thinking tool, and it has two qualities it's a sudden new thought, it provokes your interest, but it brings your right back to what you, as an entrepreneur, can take advantage of. So those are my criteria for a new thinking tool for a strategic coach. It took me from the time the thought occurred me to Friday, because that's the first time I did it. \n\nIt took me six months of playing around with the idea, checking with other people you know conversation and then just looking at the news and saying, is the news going in the direction of the theory? You know? \n\nDean: Yeah, and then. So when you like to get it to that tool, state that's part of your when you're letting your mind wander. It's so funny, dan, I've been talking about this idea of the self-milking cow, the idea of embracing your bovinity and realizing that you're the one that can create the milk. And if you set up an environment like I've moved towards, is that we basically have things divided into three divisions. I call it the pastures, which is me out roaming the pastures, you know, exploring and being a happy cow. \n\nAnd then we have got a milking shed and the milking shed is set up for me to come in and be, milked, essentially to turn my thoughts, free range thoughts, into, you know, into digital milk, meaning that we're recording something about my you know I'm doing it either through a podcast or through a Zoom or interview or whatever we've got with my team. And then we have the processing plant, where they take the digital milk and they process it into podcast, courses, tools, anything like that. \n\nSo I'm curious, like it sounds like one of your pasture roaming activities is reading things like the like Peter Zion's book and your six you know your of daily input from real clear politics and the Wall Street Journal and All the things that you do. You put those all in and then ruminate on them and and then outcomes the things. When you're turning it into a tool, though, are you consciously like? Are you starting with, like illustration, journaling, doodling? What's your, what's your kind of creation process for? \n\nDan: yeah, I do, because our tools come in in One page written. There's boxes and the box. You know the number of boxes, the kind of boxes you have so with with the melt tool. All I did was have it's called your great meltdown and your great meltdown DOS. Okay, so DOS is a previous tool that we have in coach is that and any human activity. There people are responding to dangers that they're fearing loss of some sort. The other thing is opportunities, where they're excited about the possible gain of something. \n\nDean: And then their strength. \n\nDan: These are the things that they already have going for them. And I said I think all human beings, every day, operate within a unique DOS framework of things that are fearful about, things are excited about and things that they're confident about. So what I did is I did a matrix and matrixes are cool, so the cool way of structuring where you have MLT, money, energy, labor, t and then I had four arrows going up for, I think, cost, and then down the side I had danger, opportunity, strength. And then I said to the entrepreneurs, because they're familiar with the DOS, everybody At the level that you're at in coach, the free zone. This is an old tool. \n\nThis is, you know, 20 years old and some of you have been there 20 years and I said so from your standpoint that all of your clients and potential clients, customers, are going to have the danger of rising melt costs. What's your opportunity in this? Okay. So what's there the opportunity with dangers? What's the opportunity? Yeah. What's your opportunity with other people's opportunities? And what's your Opportunity with other people's strengths? And then you go through it and there's another exercise which I won't go into right here, and you come back and then you just have a general conversation, you have breakout sessions and conversation, and the room goes crazy, you know, and because everybody's done thinking about their thinking, they've talked about their thinking, and they come back and they hear everybody else's thinking and that's what produces the workshop. \n\nBut the thing that triggers all this motion is that I have deadlines to create new things. \n\nDean: Yes, I got it and that's really how it all comes out and that's, I think, do you have a sense of what your, how much of your time? Is that free range versus you know the structured workshops? And so I guess it's getting left, or more and more Free range. \n\nDan: Well, I would say even on my most intense front stage days. Still, the majority of the day is free range and then when I don't have that type of thing. It's all free range, yeah, but it's not a. Yeah, without a commitment to someone else to deliver something, giving myself deadlines is worthless. Yeah, me too. \n\nDean: I've discovered that about me giving myself a backstage free range deadline. \n\nDan: Well, first of all, I think free range and deadline is a contradiction in terms. Right. \n\nDean: Yeah, this is what I like about the, you know is doing a workshop or scheduling a milking session. Is I know that if I've got a milking session Scheduled, like I've been going to the studio? \n\nYeah you know, on Thursday morning, 10 o'clock to 12 o'clock, and I know that you know I'm prepared for For being milked at that at those times, you know. So I'm either, yeah, doing something myself. Some of the best things that I've done have been just preparing myself to record a State of the Union or a new, you know, record myself as a thought. I do find those a little more that I have to. You know, if I have to have that time set aside, right, that's how I've been. \n\nHow I did the convert more leads book was I Could free range, I get my thoughts together for this section of the book and then I go and talk that out. So it gives me that structure. One thing that I have realized and that's been very helpful is this idea that Reality you know, the mainland, the real world here, applying yourself, moves at the speed of reality, which is 60 minutes per hour. And, yeah, if I'm going to embark on a project that's going to take 20 hours, that there's no possible way to allocate or Put in those 20 hours without actually putting in the 20 hours and that I can't do it. \n\nAll at once. So the only thing I've got an infinite. I've got an infinite Opportunity list of all of the things that I could possibly do, but what I've been experimenting with that's very helpful is Just loading in my next 10 hours. What if I? What can I do in the next 10? 50 minute focus sessions that I have? \n\nyou know that's really that narrow. That helps me prioritize and make a decision, which is the first step of you know my acronym of playing golf a goal, optimal environment, limited distractions, six time frames. So a goal is the decision of what am I going to do at Tuesday from 10 o'clock to 12 o'clock I've got two potential hours that I can allocate there and what am I going to do in those times. You know, that's really been a big help. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah and. I, you know and I've got a reputation that goes back, certainly the full extent of the Coach program, which goes back. I mean we'll be 35 years Next November. We're in our 35th year of the coach program. Dan always delivers. Yeah, and I have a Absolute commitment to never in any way undermining that reputation. So whatever it takes, dan always delivers, okay me too. And you know if you handle that, whatever it takes to deliver, you know life gets real, simple. \n\nDean: Yeah even though it's sometimes. You've seen that illustration of the you know assignment made, accepted, deadline here the timeline, and then the little five percent at the very end and the 95% all allocated is goofing off. And then five percent, all the work done, while crying. \n\nDan: No matter what. \n\nDean: Yeah, well done, you know, yeah, yeah yeah, because your, your entire reputation is just in terms of commitment, is that you've made to other people? Yeah, and I think, though, our ability to our ability to always deliver, I think has really been, you know, honed because of our, the requirement of us always pulling a rabbit out of our hats growing up. \n\nDan: I think yeah, even in any assignments or anything like that. \n\nDean: We've gotten Really good at improv theater you know, yeah, I. \n\nDan: Well, I think the other thing is if that's true, you always deliver then, what people can't see about that? Are you happy with the time you spend that other people can't see? \n\nAnd I would say that I'm up about 1,000 times over the last 30 years. I'm really happy with the free range time. I'm really happy with all the work backstage that I have to do. I used to be grueling. It was working nights, it was working weekends under severe pressure, and that's not true anymore, because I've got a sense of the framework of the project. I got the sense of the timing of the project. \n\nAnd I said you know and then you know, I've kind of worked out what the deal is with my brain. My brain always delivers at the end of the day. And I says, well, there's two of us that always deliver my brain. If I set my brain three things by the end of the day, have this self, I don't care what you do, You're not accountable for any of your time, but by the end of the day I want these three things delivered. And then I've got my commitments to deliver a front stage. \n\nSo I've just worked out a two-way deal here. I love it. \n\nDean: That's great. Well, Dan, I never yeah. \n\nDan: I think we're kind of cosmic soulmates, you know, both the payoff and the problem. I think we're. Both of us have tried similar landscape in terms of coming to grips with ourselves. I agree. Yeah, I find these conversations infinitely interesting One takeaway that you got from today, and I'll tell you mine. \n\nDean: So that's my big takeaway for today. It's given myself permission to just roam the pastures, to enjoy my free range, as long as I just hold up my end of the bargain right. That was a night. I got a lot out of that. \n\nDan: Yeah, and I think that I do really interesting podcasts also with Shannon Waller which is called Inside Strategic Coach and people always want to know. Our clients especially want to know how we do, what we do backstage. And I'll just drop this as a topic for her, because I think this the greatest tension that entrepreneurs have is not front stage, but the greatest tension is backstage. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, I agree, I agree. Well, I'm excited about next week. Yeah, I want to talk again even more conversation. I look forward to it. Thanks, steve, this is really great, thanks. \n\nDan: Steve, okay, I'll talk to you next time. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn today\u0026#39;s episode of Welcome To Cloudlandia, I share the story of my unexpected adventure travelling to Buenos Aires for a pioneering knee stem cell treatment. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI describe how my blood and fat cells were transformed into new cartilage and transported across continents for the procedure. I also recount my partner Babs\u0026#39; experience treating an inflamed toe and the vitality we\u0026#39;ve regained. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOur discussion explores the pursuit of longevity and regenerative medicine\u0026#39;s potential to make 156-year lifespans attainable through the normalization of audacious goals. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe delve into hopes for abundant years energized by purpose and new ventures. Additionally, I discuss the art of self-talk and strategies like daily focus tasks negotiated through self-management. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eDan shares his transformative experience with stem cell treatment in Buenos Aires, describing the process of turning his own cells into cartilage.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe discuss the broader implications of regenerative medicine and how it might extend our lifespans and rejuvenate our vitality.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eThe episode touches on the concept of setting ambitious longevity goals, like living to 156 years, to guide life's endeavors and encourage significant projects.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eDean talks about the importance of mental self-management and compares it to a daily negotiation to focus on critical tasks.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe delve into the balance between productive 'focus days' and the freedom of 'buffer days', and how each contributes to overall productivity and creativity.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eThe conversation includes insights on the internal quest for happiness and whether the 'fountain of youth' might be a state of mind.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eDean and I examine the concept of 'Dean Landia', a metaphor for the mental environment we create and have control over.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWe discuss the entrepreneurial mindset, emphasizing the role of deadlines, and the Danger, Opportunity, and Strength (DOS) and Money, Labor, and Time (MLT) frameworks for success.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eThe episode reflects on how personal goals influence our actions and the normalization of extraordinary ambitions to build confidence.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eDean describes his experience with stem cell treatment for his knee injury and his partner Babs' treatment for an inflamed toe, highlighting the physical and psychological benefits they've experienced post-treatment.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I wouldn\u0026#39;t have it any other way. Welcome, Mr Claude Ladiak. Mr. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Jackson. Mr Jackson, yeah Well, very pleasant woman who, and you know, I was the first one on today and she said you\u0026#39;re the first one to Join the call, the others will join pretty soon and so far, in about seven years, only one person has shown up. So I want to know who the? Others are. Is this the National Security Agency? Is this the Communist Party of China? I\u0026#39;m just trying to get a handle of who the others are. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think you\u0026#39;re probably right once, two or more Gathered that everybody is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but I found that just the two of us is more than enough. That\u0026#39;s the truth. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I am excited to hear about all of your Adventures here You\u0026#39;ve been. You\u0026#39;ve been all over the world. Here seems like you\u0026#39;ve been in Chicago. You\u0026#39;ve been in most exciting Lee Buena Flores. Yes, I\u0026#39;m excited to hear all about the Adventure here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah Well, spire Chicago goes. I missed the bullets, so that\u0026#39;s all I can report on we\u0026#39;re not. We\u0026#39;re not in the part of the city that\u0026#39;s in the crossfire zone, but anyway yeah. Buenos Aires was interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s only the second time I\u0026#39;ve been to South America, and the first time was just to land in Ecuador, co City in Ecuador, and then we took a flight to the Galapagos Islands and this was as the guest of Richard Rossi, who put together, you know, a gathering that went to the Galapagos Islands and you know the plain lands and one of the islands, and then you take a National Geographic boat and I think it\u0026#39;s Linblad and National Geographic and then you know we investigated all the sea life and the animal life which are, you know, very distinct from what\u0026#39;s found elsewhere, and that was great, but it was mostly just painting out, with a whole bunch of people that were interesting to talk to. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo that\u0026#39;s only the first time and that was a long time ago. And then we just do Create the setting here. The context, again, as a result of being a guest of Richard Rossi, has a mastermind group which is called Da Vinci 50, and Babs and I took us two or three years to get our schedule right so that we could Guarantee our attendance at all the different meetings, but the very first one, this was in New Orleans. This was last January. I met a doctor, babs. I met a doctor there from Buenos Aires by the name of Gustavo Mabilia, and, and he told a story about what he\u0026#39;s doing with stem cells and these are your own stem cells, white blood cells and fat cells that if you collect them and then send them. It\u0026#39;s not an entirely easy process to get them to Argentina, but we got them there and he would then convert them into the stelle, the stem cells that you\u0026#39;re having problem with your and your body and I have an orthopedic injury in 1975. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI tore my cartilage in the left knee and in those days they would Take out the torn cartilage. They wouldn\u0026#39;t do that today, but that\u0026#39;s you know, that was the best that was going 48 years ago. And he said oh, we can regrow your cartilage. She said we can the part that was snipped out. We can regrow that cartilage and I said that\u0026#39;s cool. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat\u0026#39;s cool. Yeah, I was convinced that Babs has a chronically inflamed right toe that really impedes a lot of her walking or exercise and it\u0026#39;s inflamed bones. So I didn\u0026#39;t know that bones got inflamed. It shows up on MRIs when you do an MRI. So long story short, through dr Hasi, who\u0026#39;s our main Medical guide and explorer for us in Nashville, tennessee. He\u0026#39;s got a clinic there called Maxwell Clinic. He did all the, you know the coordination before us to. You know, make sure that our stem cells were there, make sure that the they turn it into a magic potion I don\u0026#39;t know too much more about it and he arranged with for our trip down. So we went. This is so. Yesterday was Saturday, we\u0026#39;re talking on Sundays, it was two. Two Saturdays ago we took an overnight flight to Buenos Aires, where it\u0026#39;s now springtime because they\u0026#39;re in the other hemisphere. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, it\u0026#39;s more complicated than I\u0026#39;m telling you, but that\u0026#39;s the upshot of it for the week and and so, as far as the you know, the brain cells and the vascular cells, the only thing I can say and I have to be, I think I have to be cautious here, but because I have, like a lot of entrepreneurs do, I have the ability to create my own placebo\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, okay so all. I can say I\u0026#39;ve come back after the trip and we had. We came back after seven days and and this week I have felt more energized and more confident. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Then I can remember recently sounds like quite an adventure and the upside yeah, gonna be. The upside is gonna be a total new development of cartilage in your knee specifically. Second, what\u0026#39;s the Hope for it Like? Are you gonna have the knees of a preteen Swedish boy, or are you gonna Just have the normal knees of 79? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e well, basically yeah, I\u0026#39;ll basically have the, basically the knee I had before the injury. Okay so that\u0026#39;s 48 years, so six months, and the orthopedic is pretty easy for them. I mean, they\u0026#39;re doing some advanced work and other parts of the body, but the cartilage is, you know, it\u0026#39;s pretty, it\u0026#39;s not a complicated thing, right? But what happens is they take my blood cells and my fat cells and they turn, essentially turn it into new cartilage cells and that\u0026#39;s. You know, that\u0026#39;s what stem cells are that? How? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e does it gather. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well it\u0026#39;s. This was all done in Nashville and. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo, what they do is they? You know it\u0026#39;s, it\u0026#39;s basically a centrifuge and you have an IV in both arms and the blood that gets taken out and it\u0026#39;s, and they take the white blood cells out and then you know it\u0026#39;s simultaneously they\u0026#39;re taking blood out now return it to your body, but they\u0026#39;re taking the white blood cells, which is far prior less of your blood than your red blood cells. Okay, actually it was like a two hour, two hour session and it was like a cup full. You know, after a big cup, a big mug full, and so that\u0026#39;s the white blood cells and then the fat cells. You go to a plastic surgeon Because they\u0026#39;re used to taking you know it\u0026#39;s part of plastic surgery of taking out fat cells and so and you get enough they\u0026#39;re, they\u0026#39;re told how much of each are required for them to basically do a year\u0026#39;s worth of. You know we\u0026#39;re going to go down probably four times during the next 12 months, starting with the first trip two weeks ago. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd they\u0026#39;ll have enough just from that one extraction, extraction of both, they\u0026#39;ll have enough. So next time I go down I broke both my Achilles tendons in the 1970s. That was a bad decade. That my in 1970s were just a really bad decade anyway. So anyway, and the Structurally, I mean they\u0026#39;re shortened because of the surgery, the tendons, are shorter, but they\u0026#39;ve developed calcification. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOh yeah which reduces flexibility, and it\u0026#39;s got pain attached to it. So next time they\u0026#39;ll Take my same fat cells and white blood cells and they\u0026#39;ll turn it into something that gets rid of all the Calcification and my and my tendons. Yeah, so, and that will give me more push-off, it\u0026#39;ll give me more flexibility to go along with the new cartilage. So I think probably, you know, probably I\u0026#39;ll be gaining back about 30 or 40 years of Running ability out of my legs, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I always Run for his money yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, yeah, I just want to run again. I enjoy running and I haven\u0026#39;t been and it\u0026#39;s been too painful to do for the last 10 years. And then the whole thing is the overall, the Direct injection. You\u0026#39;re just going after a particular issue, but the IV, the, it goes into your brain and it looks for anywhere where your brain cells Are not performing correctly and it wakes them up. So the stem cells don\u0026#39;t cure anything, they just wake up the natural cells that are there and they start growing again. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd the same thing with the Vax vascular system. That\u0026#39;s your, but I. I would say that Knowing that now I have the means to repair anything in my body as soon as it\u0026#39;s identified as a problem is Very confidence. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s very confidence building you know it\u0026#39;s very and. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I was noticing that I had sort of blot into Sort of why I know I\u0026#39;m wearing down and I know that there\u0026#39;s an end to it at some point, but I hadn\u0026#39;t realized how much that was until I got the other thought that, no, almost anything that\u0026#39;s going wrong with you you can repair now and you can rejuvenate it, and so that\u0026#39;s a. That\u0026#39;s a huge confidence builder. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and it\u0026#39;s really I mean perfectly timely, right as you\u0026#39;re entering into, you know, in my ninth decade. Yeah, exactly entering into your ninth decade with the goal of it being the best decade ever which I love that framework, by the way and at a time when normally it would be, you know, physical deterioration happening, you\u0026#39;re like physical rejuvenation. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You\u0026#39;re going backwards on that thing, yeah, I mean yeah, you know the there\u0026#39;s so many factors that are involved in aging, and some of it is just the fact that your cells only reproduce 50 times. Okay, there\u0026#39;s a thing which is called the Haflick barrier. This is a I don\u0026#39;t know quite what kind of scientists he was, but he found that every cell in the body and there\u0026#39;s 20, I think, 26,000 different types of cells in the body, some number like that they all reproduce only 50 times, as far as they can tell, but they don\u0026#39;t do it equally. They don\u0026#39;t, they don\u0026#39;t. They\u0026#39;re not doing it at the same time. Heart muscles might be faster, other cells are slower, but it sort of reaches the limit of everything by the time you\u0026#39;re 120. We only have one person on record where there\u0026#39;s actual valid records of birth who has lived 120. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eShe also lived, she also. She got to 122. She died. A French woman who died about 10 years ago. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And that\u0026#39;s the only person that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, there\u0026#39;s all these claims, you know, you know around the world, the people who lived at 200 and 300 and everything else, but they don\u0026#39;t have any valid records which actually established that. So anyway, but but most people don\u0026#39;t get to 120. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean, even if you only got to 120,. I said, even if you only got to 120,. I said well yeah, I mean, if you\u0026#39;re an entrepreneur and you\u0026#39;re at top of your game at 60, and you\u0026#39;re saying, no, I guess I have to retire pretty soon. Well, the decision to retire is sort of telling your body it doesn\u0026#39;t matter how long the body lasts now I mean, it can go really quickly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut if I know I\u0026#39;ll be 18 next May and if I know that I can stay in top form for another 25 or 30 years at the top of my game right now, then that\u0026#39;s a big deal. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I look at, I saw me. You know, bob Barker died earlier this year at 99. And the thing that was going around with that, he got to as close to 100 as he could without going over the big showcase showdown. Kind of close to 100. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But you know George Burns, the comedian, very famous mid-century 20th century, you know, 40s through the 80s or 90s. He had a goal that he was going to do a full show at the Palladium in London, big Venue in London, england, and he did it. And then and I always gave him as an example because he was performing full time in his 90s and then- did an actual 100th birthday. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then he was in a shower about four weeks later, he slept, broke his hip and he died two weeks later. And I said, George, you didn\u0026#39;t understand what you did. You should have set another date for when you were 110. Exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Isn\u0026#39;t that amazing, I wonder? Yeah, I mean, that\u0026#39;s kind of a. You\u0026#39;ve been programming yourself for 156 for as long as I\u0026#39;ve known you Since 1987, you know since 19, 36 years right now, yeah. Yeah. So that\u0026#39;s kind of you know. You\u0026#39;re just approaching or just at the halfway mark there ramping up, gaining speed, gaining momentum. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, people say do you really think you\u0026#39;re going to live to 156? And I said I know I won\u0026#39;t if I don\u0026#39;t have it as a goal. Amen. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well. Danny just setting yourself up for disappointment. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well not me everybody who ends up with my messes after I\u0026#39;m gone. You know when I\u0026#39;m gone. What do I care? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Exactly, that\u0026#39;s the point. I love that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I love, I laugh. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I tell people that all the time, when you said the just for you, it\u0026#39;s just going to be live, live, that\u0026#39;s better. There, you go, you\u0026#39;re not going to experience the disappointment. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e There\u0026#39;s a great French philosopher from the 1600s named Blaise Pascal. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And there\u0026#39;s a blaze. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e There\u0026#39;s a Pascal wager. And he says you know, when you think about it, all of us regarding if there\u0026#39;s anything after this life, it\u0026#39;s a guess. You know it\u0026#39;s a guess and it\u0026#39;s a bet and he says but let\u0026#39;s just take a look at the two bets. There\u0026#39;s nothing after you die. Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay well that\u0026#39;s cool. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The other one is there\u0026#39;s a whole other world after I die. And he says it\u0026#39;s not so much which makes the best sense after you die. It\u0026#39;s what bet makes the sense right now? Because if you think that there is a whole world afterwards and it turns out there\u0026#39;s nothing, well you really haven\u0026#39;t lost anything, because you know there\u0026#39;s nothing, but what? If you believe your whole life there isn\u0026#39;t anything after death, and then you find out that there and they said you know, and you said geez, if only I had. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOh my God, if I had known this and he\u0026#39;s believing there\u0026#39;s a afterlife is a much better bet, psychologically and emotionally, for right now. Yeah, yeah so I\u0026#39;m kind of a. I\u0026#39;m a kind of a Pascal wager kind of guy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eMm, hmm, that, I mean, is so back then everybody you know lived a life that took the natural course. You know I mean living to 60 and 70 in those days was kind of an achievement, with all the different ways you could die back then disease and you know and violence unless you were, unless you were, matthew\u0026#39;s a lot. Yeah, yeah, but birth records. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No documentation. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m sorry, Matthew\u0026#39;s a lot. I\u0026#39;m sorry, but where\u0026#39;s your come on? Where\u0026#39;s your papers? That\u0026#39;s everybody. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Every time I think about muscle, I think about our Aubrey, aubrey de Grey. Yeah and the Missusola prize. Have you heard any updates on that? I\u0026#39;ve kind of lost the past. No, I saw video. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I saw a video of him talking and I got a feeling that that Living living two or three times more than natural, but not being happy right now is probably Not a good bet, because I didn\u0026#39;t get the sense that he was a happy. I didn\u0026#39;t get the sense that he was a happy person, you know. So I mean you never know, I mean people who never saw aren\u0026#39;t necessarily unhappy, and people who smile all the time aren\u0026#39;t necessarily happy, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean happiness. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, an internal disc, it\u0026#39;s an internal disposition, yeah. But anyway, you know I\u0026#39;m just reporting back. I\u0026#39;m sort of a bit of a trailblazer in relationship to this stuff, but I\u0026#39;m only. I will tell you, dean, I was thinking about this when I was in Buenos Aires that if I didn\u0026#39;t have that goal of living to 156, I wouldn\u0026#39;t be doing this stuff right now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s true, right, you\u0026#39;re already in traditionally if you speak about like. I\u0026#39;m beyond refund right now. You know, I mean, you\u0026#39;re out of warranty. Right now You\u0026#39;re an extra innings Actuarial tables. You\u0026#39;re an actual outlier. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but I\u0026#39;m really a profit center for the insurance companies. It\u0026#39;s just been me paying them, just been me paying them up until now. I love it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Dan is so great. I think this is like that\u0026#39;s one of the great things of you know being alive at this time in particular, just all the access to these things. That\u0026#39;s only gonna get better, as we understand. I remember when I went to the first, the first abundance 360 and Richard Rossi\u0026#39;s friend, gary Kaplan, was there with us. I think you\u0026#39;ve met Dr Kaplan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh no, Gary. Yeah, Gary, you know, I see him every, I see him at every defense. She 50 maybe. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, he\u0026#39;s a great guy Okay yeah. Yeah, I really went to the go out there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I went to the go out because silence with Gary, so we had a lot of time to talk. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So I\u0026#39;ve known him for a long time, you know, well, I remember when this was. This had to be Almost 10 years ago, right 9, 9 years ago. Anyway, the first abundance 360, not the very first one, the first one in LA Beverly Hills Hotel there, and you know I\u0026#39;m sitting with him and he was Saying you know, when you look at all the medical advancements that are coming right now, this is back then you said it\u0026#39;s gonna. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s gonna seem like we\u0026#39;ve been Throwing rocks at people to get them healthy, you know, compared to what\u0026#39;s actually coming. I mean, yeah, we would describe what you know regenerative, and that\u0026#39;s a good word. That\u0026#39;s kind of become, you know, newly minted. Regenerative medicine is All the things from the on a cellular level regenerative Regeneration, replacement. You know we\u0026#39;re pretty much going to be able to replace everything Before we repair it or repair it. Yeah, replace repair, regenerate right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And that\u0026#39;s pretty cool. So, yeah, I like well, I think, the hmm, I got involved with Peter Diamandas in I\u0026#39;m just trying to think. There was December of 2011, the first before a 360 meeting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe didn\u0026#39;t have a name for it, but this was in Silicon Valley and and one of the things that sort of connected Peter and Peter and me Was really the fact that we both had this commitment to living way beyond normal age, you know. But I had a thinking process, you know. Of course it\u0026#39;s the first hour of strategic coach, which is the lifetime extender. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd he came in at that time and I said you know it\u0026#39;s not a goal you can achieve unless you can normalize it as a normal thought. I said you know our brain, and Our brain really resists abnormal thoughts. We, it has to be normal. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo I set myself the goal in 1987 that every time I thought of my lifetime I would just think 156, you know, you know, at that time, life expectancy for males you know of my background and you know the thing was 78, so 156 is twice and so it took me about three years before it was just a normal thought. So whenever I you know I\u0026#39;m pushing 80 now and you know, and I said, well, what\u0026#39;s my lifetime, I said 156. So at 80. That makes me very ambitious because I know I\u0026#39;ve got in my own mind, I\u0026#39;ve got, a way you know, enormous amounts of time left, really twice a lifetime 76 years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, yeah, I got 76, 76 years to get things done, so it makes me Totally confident about starting new, big, new big things. And I mean your whole life is either happy or unhappy. Unhappy based on the kinds of conversations you\u0026#39;re having with yourself. I agree. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I agree a hundred percent. I mean, you realize, I was realizing, I\u0026#39;ve been thinking a lot about this. You know, this straddling of the mainland and the cloud land via, and those thoughts then brought me into the actual game, which is game land is where at all happened and I realized that how much of you know Dean landia is affected by the inputs and circumstances and the Context and relationships and conversations and environments that you voluntarily Put yourself in, you know, surrounding yourself with the environment that\u0026#39;s going to shanty people yeah, people, I mean. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I just had a thought, and that was triggered by your Dean Landia, that I only have direct access to one human being on the planet. You know, and same goes for you, and a lot of people spend their life. A lot of people spend their life trying not to be, not to deal with the one person they have direct access to you know they\u0026#39;re hoping they\u0026#39;re going to be saved from the proof that they hope something else will save them from the person that they\u0026#39;re actually inside of, and you know so. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eso my, my whole point is why don\u0026#39;t you just take ownership for the, the relationship that you have just with this one person, and you know there\u0026#39;s new dimension, there\u0026#39;s new dimensions presenting themselves all the time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd and the other insight I had and that comes from our conversations, because we\u0026#39;re we\u0026#39;ve got a very similar approach to life on a lot of different fronts and I was thinking, you know, I\u0026#39;ve been trying to control my brain up until I think, about two years ago. I was going to control my brain and, you know, make sure my brain was focused on this and that. And I said why don\u0026#39;t we change the relationship here and take for granted that you want, I have no control over my brain. And the other thing is why don\u0026#39;t we just see where it goes every day? Because it\u0026#39;s totally unpredictable. I spent one day and just sort of locked in where my brain was going that day and there was absolutely no predictability to what\u0026#39;s forever. And I said, okay, why don\u0026#39;t we just I\u0026#39;m just going to do it deal with my brain wherever it goes? During that day I wanted to do three useful things for my plans. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou can go anywhere you want, but by the end of the day, I want progress on this, I want progress on that, I want progress on that, okay just have fun, you know, do whatever you want, but by the end of the day, if you and I are going to sleep happily tonight, you know, I got to see progress on these three things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, my goodness, Dan, that\u0026#39;s so funny. You know, it\u0026#39;s like I\u0026#39;ve been having these exact conversations with myself here. It\u0026#39;s like taking over the management. You know, it\u0026#39;s all in that vein of you know, imagine if you applied yourself your FELF, these things of taking over the management, you just you hit it on the head that I only have direct control over one human on the planet and that\u0026#39;s me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I thought about entering and I realized that my brain, my desires, my ambition, my you know vision, the visionary in my brain here is not necessarily the one in control of the, the doing part of my brain, the labor management versus labor right. And so I was thinking about I heard one time that there\u0026#39;s a form of contract where a you know production will enter into a contract with an actor or a celebrity, that with their company on an SSO contract which is for services of. So it would be enter, as I thought it\u0026#39;s kind of like entering into a contract with my brain here for services of being Jackson and thinking what you just said is like those. If I could just like allocate time and attention to you know I\u0026#39;ve I\u0026#39;ve thought a lot about your thing of three, three things a day. How much I\u0026#39;d love to hear from you how, on a buffer day when you are I don\u0026#39;t know how you define whether buffer day or focus you\u0026#39;ve got workshop focus days where those are like the Bob\u0026#39;s fled run kind of thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat you know what\u0026#39;s happening on a workshop day. You get up and I\u0026#39;m sure your car arrives at a certain time and you get taken to the workshop and everything is for my computer, or my computer does, because some of them are virtual. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYes, exactly Okay. And then but on the days where I never struggle with those, I realized that everything that I do get done has that external exoskeleton or that scaffolding to make sure that gets done. If you\u0026#39;re just in the right, all you have to do is, you know, get in the car and the rest of it is taking place, or open up the computer and sit down and you\u0026#39;re. You know you\u0026#39;re able to focus and deliver the workshops. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut I\u0026#39;m curious about your free range time, where I think I may have, like I crave and do a lot to carve out big blocks of uninterrupted time, only to end up having nothing to show for it. Because, I don\u0026#39;t get myself to sit down and do the things that I\u0026#39;ve carved out all this time to do. I\u0026#39;m curious how, what your experience is on getting Dan to do stuff that requires his own batteries, I guess I\u0026#39;d love to hear your experience. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Here again, I think we\u0026#39;re very similar and I think that\u0026#39;s why our podcasts are so enjoyable, because to a certain extent, neither of us wants it to end when we get going. But I have one of our models in the strategic coach is a theater model which is front stage, back stage, and front stage is really, whether you have a viable company or not, it\u0026#39;s your front stage your profitable front stage impact is what determines whether you\u0026#39;re getting paid to take care of everything else, and I don\u0026#39;t have to be motivated for a front stage impact. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, and workshops is an example, podcasts is another example, creating new thinking tools is another example, and writing books is another example, or videos or audios. So these are all front stage. In other words, if I can get this done, then it has a multiplier impact out in the world on other people, and that either me directly interacting with the world, or our coaches or our team members interacting with the world, and that ends up in profitability. Okay, so those are my focus days, but some of the days that are not focused days, I have to be preparing for those days. Okay, but anytime. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI think of front stage impact preferably. I don\u0026#39;t need to be motivated to do that, I love doing that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And that\u0026#39;s my usefulness to myself, that\u0026#39;s my usefulness to everybody I engage with. But just going back to my decision over the last two years of just letting my mind wander, when I\u0026#39;m not directly engaged in front stage impact activities, my brain can do anything at once. It can go anywhere and so I don\u0026#39;t really care. Before I used to care. I\u0026#39;m not making use of my front stage, my back time, I\u0026#39;m not making it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI said leave it alone, just let it go where it wants to go, let it run, let it go out and frolic, let it explore and everything else they really run. So I mean, it took me till practically age 78 to come to this agreement with my brain, and so I\u0026#39;m either in hyper focus, actually doing the things that make money and spread the reputation and do all sorts of good things, or it\u0026#39;s free reign. I really don\u0026#39;t care. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And to me what it does. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It frees me up from the tyranny of time and effort. That you\u0026#39;re absolutely maximizing the use of your time. I said I don\u0026#39;t care about my time and I don\u0026#39;t care about my effort, as long as I make a front stage a profitable front stage impact. If it takes me an hour to do that, and it\u0026#39;s an hour if it takes me a full day workshop, then it\u0026#39;s a full day workshop, but I don\u0026#39;t really care about the time and the effort, I just really care about the impact. And then backstage. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI just say brain, go and do whatever you want to do, think about anything you want to think about, and I couldn\u0026#39;t care less. You don\u0026#39;t have to justify your existence. My brain doesn\u0026#39;t have to justify its existence when it\u0026#39;s not on stage. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s very interesting when you\u0026#39;re creating a new tool. For instance, you introduced a tool on Friday for our pre-melt connection. Call yeah, your melt tool, and what\u0026#39;s happening? How does that come about? What\u0026#39;s your process? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e for that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s one of the key outputs that you\u0026#39;re providing is new IP and thinking tools for the thing, so how does that come about? If your mind goes, you mentioned you\u0026#39;ve read Peter Zion\u0026#39;s book seven times now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, the end of the world is just the beginning. I think it\u0026#39;s the most important book in the world. I\u0026#39;m reading and I read it seven times. So it\u0026#39;s Peter Zion. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Z-E-I-H-A-N. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And the book is called. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e The. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e End of the World is Just Beginning and he\u0026#39;s written. This is the fourth book that he\u0026#39;s written since 2014, where he\u0026#39;s just predicting that everything we were expecting to happen 10 years ago ain\u0026#39;t going to happen that way, and a whole new world is going to happen. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And he\u0026#39;s got very plausible readings. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m not going to explain the book here but it has a profound impact on me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut it seemed to me that he was operating at a macro geopolitical level and I said well, is there a simple sort of set of gauges, if you will underneath, that determines in any place at any time whether things are moving forward or they\u0026#39;re stagnating or they\u0026#39;re falling behind? And I came up, it just sort of fell out of. He doesn\u0026#39;t talk about this directly, but after I\u0026#39;d read it a whole number of times, it just struck me that it was the cost of four things that determine this, and one of them was the cost of money. How much is it cost you to get money? And that comes in two forms how much is it cost you to get a loan and how much is it cost you to get an investment? Those are the two main, the financial vehicles that underlay growth. And then your profitability is the third one. Are you keeping a lot of what you\u0026#39;re making? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s savings. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And then the cost of energy and all of its different forms and the cost of labor getting really top notch. You have access to other people\u0026#39;s skills, and how much is it cost you to do that? And then the cost of transportation, because we live in a physical world and to move a pound costs money including your own pounds and that costs energy and I just started playing with this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI know we did. I was mentioned on a previous one of our podcasts Mike Kenix, we did it on that and everybody I talked about it. It had a simplifying effect on their thinking. I said this is a good tool. That\u0026#39;s all I do If you come up with an acronym and it\u0026#39;s. M-e-l-t. And I said I think we\u0026#39;re going into a great meltdown next 30 years where everything of those four factors is going to cost more, and you can see it. Yeah, I mean you can see it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAll you have to do is read the news every day. Most of this is going up, energy is costing more, labor is costing more and transportation is costing more. And I said so. You know, I think it\u0026#39;s a neat way. So what I did is I just introduced a tool to the free zone entrepreneurs, just two days ago, when you were there and I said if this is true, let\u0026#39;s just suppose that it\u0026#39;s true, that these costs are going to go up for everyone else and what\u0026#39;s your biggest advantage and opportunity over the next 30 years? And that\u0026#39;s just. That would be a thinking tool, and it has two qualities it\u0026#39;s a sudden new thought, it provokes your interest, but it brings your right back to what you, as an entrepreneur, can take advantage of. So those are my criteria for a new thinking tool for a strategic coach. It took me from the time the thought occurred me to Friday, because that\u0026#39;s the first time I did it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt took me six months of playing around with the idea, checking with other people you know conversation and then just looking at the news and saying, is the news going in the direction of the theory? You know? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and then. So when you like to get it to that tool, state that\u0026#39;s part of your when you\u0026#39;re letting your mind wander. It\u0026#39;s so funny, dan, I\u0026#39;ve been talking about this idea of the self-milking cow, the idea of embracing your bovinity and realizing that you\u0026#39;re the one that can create the milk. And if you set up an environment like I\u0026#39;ve moved towards, is that we basically have things divided into three divisions. I call it the pastures, which is me out roaming the pastures, you know, exploring and being a happy cow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then we have got a milking shed and the milking shed is set up for me to come in and be, milked, essentially to turn my thoughts, free range thoughts, into, you know, into digital milk, meaning that we\u0026#39;re recording something about my you know I\u0026#39;m doing it either through a podcast or through a Zoom or interview or whatever we\u0026#39;ve got with my team. And then we have the processing plant, where they take the digital milk and they process it into podcast, courses, tools, anything like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo I\u0026#39;m curious, like it sounds like one of your pasture roaming activities is reading things like the like Peter Zion\u0026#39;s book and your six you know your of daily input from real clear politics and the Wall Street Journal and All the things that you do. You put those all in and then ruminate on them and and then outcomes the things. When you\u0026#39;re turning it into a tool, though, are you consciously like? Are you starting with, like illustration, journaling, doodling? What\u0026#39;s your, what\u0026#39;s your kind of creation process for? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e yeah, I do, because our tools come in in One page written. There\u0026#39;s boxes and the box. You know the number of boxes, the kind of boxes you have so with with the melt tool. All I did was have it\u0026#39;s called your great meltdown and your great meltdown DOS. Okay, so DOS is a previous tool that we have in coach is that and any human activity. There people are responding to dangers that they\u0026#39;re fearing loss of some sort. The other thing is opportunities, where they\u0026#39;re excited about the possible gain of something. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And then their strength. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e These are the things that they already have going for them. And I said I think all human beings, every day, operate within a unique DOS framework of things that are fearful about, things are excited about and things that they\u0026#39;re confident about. So what I did is I did a matrix and matrixes are cool, so the cool way of structuring where you have MLT, money, energy, labor, t and then I had four arrows going up for, I think, cost, and then down the side I had danger, opportunity, strength. And then I said to the entrepreneurs, because they\u0026#39;re familiar with the DOS, everybody At the level that you\u0026#39;re at in coach, the free zone. This is an old tool. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThis is, you know, 20 years old and some of you have been there 20 years and I said so from your standpoint that all of your clients and potential clients, customers, are going to have the danger of rising melt costs. What\u0026#39;s your opportunity in this? Okay. So what\u0026#39;s there the opportunity with dangers? What\u0026#39;s the opportunity? Yeah. What\u0026#39;s your opportunity with other people\u0026#39;s opportunities? And what\u0026#39;s your Opportunity with other people\u0026#39;s strengths? And then you go through it and there\u0026#39;s another exercise which I won\u0026#39;t go into right here, and you come back and then you just have a general conversation, you have breakout sessions and conversation, and the room goes crazy, you know, and because everybody\u0026#39;s done thinking about their thinking, they\u0026#39;ve talked about their thinking, and they come back and they hear everybody else\u0026#39;s thinking and that\u0026#39;s what produces the workshop. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut the thing that triggers all this motion is that I have deadlines to create new things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I got it and that\u0026#39;s really how it all comes out and that\u0026#39;s, I think, do you have a sense of what your, how much of your time? Is that free range versus you know the structured workshops? And so I guess it\u0026#39;s getting left, or more and more Free range. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I would say even on my most intense front stage days. Still, the majority of the day is free range and then when I don\u0026#39;t have that type of thing. It\u0026#39;s all free range, yeah, but it\u0026#39;s not a. Yeah, without a commitment to someone else to deliver something, giving myself deadlines is worthless. Yeah, me too. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve discovered that about me giving myself a backstage free range deadline. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, first of all, I think free range and deadline is a contradiction in terms. Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, this is what I like about the, you know is doing a workshop or scheduling a milking session. Is I know that if I\u0026#39;ve got a milking session Scheduled, like I\u0026#39;ve been going to the studio? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah you know, on Thursday morning, 10 o\u0026#39;clock to 12 o\u0026#39;clock, and I know that you know I\u0026#39;m prepared for For being milked at that at those times, you know. So I\u0026#39;m either, yeah, doing something myself. Some of the best things that I\u0026#39;ve done have been just preparing myself to record a State of the Union or a new, you know, record myself as a thought. I do find those a little more that I have to. You know, if I have to have that time set aside, right, that\u0026#39;s how I\u0026#39;ve been. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHow I did the convert more leads book was I Could free range, I get my thoughts together for this section of the book and then I go and talk that out. So it gives me that structure. One thing that I have realized and that\u0026#39;s been very helpful is this idea that Reality you know, the mainland, the real world here, applying yourself, moves at the speed of reality, which is 60 minutes per hour. And, yeah, if I\u0026#39;m going to embark on a project that\u0026#39;s going to take 20 hours, that there\u0026#39;s no possible way to allocate or Put in those 20 hours without actually putting in the 20 hours and that I can\u0026#39;t do it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAll at once. So the only thing I\u0026#39;ve got an infinite. I\u0026#39;ve got an infinite Opportunity list of all of the things that I could possibly do, but what I\u0026#39;ve been experimenting with that\u0026#39;s very helpful is Just loading in my next 10 hours. What if I? What can I do in the next 10? 50 minute focus sessions that I have? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eyou know that\u0026#39;s really that narrow. That helps me prioritize and make a decision, which is the first step of you know my acronym of playing golf a goal, optimal environment, limited distractions, six time frames. So a goal is the decision of what am I going to do at Tuesday from 10 o\u0026#39;clock to 12 o\u0026#39;clock I\u0026#39;ve got two potential hours that I can allocate there and what am I going to do in those times. You know, that\u0026#39;s really been a big help. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah and. I, you know and I\u0026#39;ve got a reputation that goes back, certainly the full extent of the Coach program, which goes back. I mean we\u0026#39;ll be 35 years Next November. We\u0026#39;re in our 35th year of the coach program. Dan always delivers. Yeah, and I have a Absolute commitment to never in any way undermining that reputation. So whatever it takes, dan always delivers, okay me too. And you know if you handle that, whatever it takes to deliver, you know life gets real, simple. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah even though it\u0026#39;s sometimes. You\u0026#39;ve seen that illustration of the you know assignment made, accepted, deadline here the timeline, and then the little five percent at the very end and the 95% all allocated is goofing off. And then five percent, all the work done, while crying. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No matter what. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well done, you know, yeah, yeah yeah, because your, your entire reputation is just in terms of commitment, is that you\u0026#39;ve made to other people? Yeah, and I think, though, our ability to our ability to always deliver, I think has really been, you know, honed because of our, the requirement of us always pulling a rabbit out of our hats growing up. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think yeah, even in any assignments or anything like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We\u0026#39;ve gotten Really good at improv theater you know, yeah, I. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think the other thing is if that\u0026#39;s true, you always deliver then, what people can\u0026#39;t see about that? Are you happy with the time you spend that other people can\u0026#39;t see? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I would say that I\u0026#39;m up about 1,000 times over the last 30 years. I\u0026#39;m really happy with the free range time. I\u0026#39;m really happy with all the work backstage that I have to do. I used to be grueling. It was working nights, it was working weekends under severe pressure, and that\u0026#39;s not true anymore, because I\u0026#39;ve got a sense of the framework of the project. I got the sense of the timing of the project. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I said you know and then you know, I\u0026#39;ve kind of worked out what the deal is with my brain. My brain always delivers at the end of the day. And I says, well, there\u0026#39;s two of us that always deliver my brain. If I set my brain three things by the end of the day, have this self, I don\u0026#39;t care what you do, You\u0026#39;re not accountable for any of your time, but by the end of the day I want these three things delivered. And then I\u0026#39;ve got my commitments to deliver a front stage. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo I\u0026#39;ve just worked out a two-way deal here. I love it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s great. Well, Dan, I never yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think we\u0026#39;re kind of cosmic soulmates, you know, both the payoff and the problem. I think we\u0026#39;re. Both of us have tried similar landscape in terms of coming to grips with ourselves. I agree. Yeah, I find these conversations infinitely interesting One takeaway that you got from today, and I\u0026#39;ll tell you mine. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So that\u0026#39;s my big takeaway for today. It\u0026#39;s given myself permission to just roam the pastures, to enjoy my free range, as long as I just hold up my end of the bargain right. That was a night. I got a lot out of that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and I think that I do really interesting podcasts also with Shannon Waller which is called Inside Strategic Coach and people always want to know. Our clients especially want to know how we do, what we do backstage. And I\u0026#39;ll just drop this as a topic for her, because I think this the greatest tension that entrepreneurs have is not front stage, but the greatest tension is backstage. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, I agree, I agree. Well, I\u0026#39;m excited about next week. Yeah, I want to talk again even more conversation. I look forward to it. Thanks, steve, this is really great, thanks. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Steve, okay, I\u0026#39;ll talk to you next time. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In today's episode of Welcome To Cloudlandia, I share the story of my unexpected adventure travelling to Buenos Aires for a pioneering knee stem cell treatment. \r\n\r\nI describe how my blood and fat cells were transformed into new cartilage and transported across continents for the procedure. I also recount my partner Babs' experience treating an inflamed toe and the vitality we've regained. \r\n\r\nOur discussion explores the pursuit of longevity and regenerative medicine's potential to make 156-year lifespans attainable through the normalization of audacious goals. \r\n\r\nWe delve into hopes for abundant years energized by purpose and new ventures. Additionally, I discuss the art of self-talk and strategies like daily focus tasks negotiated through self-management. ","date_published":"2024-01-07T09:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/16dd2de4-a0cf-49e7-b697-d32813732c18.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":37001930,"duration_in_seconds":3080}]},{"id":"e9ab21a0-b7a8-4d47-a532-1d1b69d74179","title":"Ep113: Revolutionizing Health, Wealth, and Tech","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/113","content_text":"In today's Welcome to Cloudlandia episode, Dan shares his experience with stem cell treatments, from his different injections to increased energy and improved brain function. \n\nNext, we explore the fascinating realm of intelligent money exemplified by Indify and how it empowers creators by potentially disrupting the music industry through musicians' futures. \n\nLastly, we make a special announcement about our first Free Zone event in Toronto this June. Join us for insights on innovative concepts that can upgrade our lives.\n\n\u0026amp;nbsp\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\nWe delve into the world of stem cell treatments, starting with my personal experience and how it has improved my energy levels and brain function.\nWe discuss the concept of intelligent money and how platforms like Indify are empowering creators and musicians, potentially disrupting the traditional music industry.\nWe explore the concept of investing in people and emerging technologies, citing examples like Elon Musk and Steve Jobs.\nWe reflect on the role of artificial intelligence (AI) in content creation and the importance of discernment in information consumption.\nWe discuss the concept of media polarization and share our personal experiences with the shift from newspapers to online news aggregators.\nWe mention a play we saw about the Queen's relationship with various Prime Ministers, shedding light on an intriguing historical fact.\nWe explore the topic of neutrality and bias in AI and discuss how it might impact our thinking processes.\nWe announce our first Free Zone event happening in Toronto in June and share our past experiences in the city.\nWe discuss the idea of digital detox and share our strategies for reducing screen time and the benefits we've experienced.\nWe reflect on our experiments with AI in generating interesting facts and video scripts, emphasizing its potential as a multiplier for content creation.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean: Welcome to Cloudlandia. \n\nDan: Ah, you have a very resonant place to this morning. \n\nDean: Well, you know what I did. I came in on the app today and so we'll see. And over the last week we had some intermittent disruption. So to try this this week. Maybe it's a different level of unpredictable variety. I called it unpredictable variety. That's right. We roll with it and yeah, and there we go, yeah. So everybody wants to know, dan, how is the $6 million man doing with his biomegies? \n\nDan: here. Yeah, yeah, pretty good. So we're talking on a Sunday and just the past Thursday was two weeks, and you know I got a figure in the placebo factor here and I think I mentioned this last time that when you have a pain and you don't have any solution for it, you try to avoid the pain, and so you kind of? A you kind of a focus on it. You rearrange your posture and your body to avoid the pain. \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: But since I had the stem cell injection, I came back and the pain didn't seem any different. But I was confident about it that I now had a pain that in, according to prediction, in six months I won't have the pain. And so I'm not avoiding the pain and I'm you know, I'm walking downstairs without holding out to the rail and just depending on my leg. But I will say in the last two or three, three days I've I have noticed an improvement so that I'm getting from. \n\nYou know we have top to bottom we in some cases I'm going to flights, yes. And and yeah, so I told Dr Hasse, david Hasse, who's in the free zone with us, because he's the arranger for all this. Anything else I do, I go through his clinic, so he's the one who arranged everything in Buenos Aires. Yes, and I tell him. I said I'm I'm naturally a self-producer of placebo's. \n\nDean: And I said I think it's part of my. \n\nDan: I think it's part of my character. I had nice said actually isn't strategic coaches, and that was strategic coaches producing your own placebo's. \n\nDean: So I love it yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, so anyway, all friends, but I will tell you this we had three different treatments. I did and Babs had a fourth one. So Babs had a big toe, inflamed bones and her big toe. And the pain is way, way down after two weeks. And both of us had vascular IVs, so this is where the stem cells are put you know, it's an IV, so it goes in over 40 minutes. \n\nDean: It wasn't an injection. Right, right, right. \n\nDan: But it's, these stem cells are geared just to your vascular system, so just you know the veins, as I said and so I feel quite a bit more energy, and again, I'm not discounting the placebo effect. \n\nAnd the third, the third thing that I did Babs did vascular two and I did brain cells. So these, what they do is that they put lymphocytes in on day one and then on day three they give you an IV for the, for your brain cells and the lymphocytes. I don't exactly understand what they are. Okay, I know they're neither Republican or Democrat. I do know that they're NDP, right? Exactly, yeah, I know that. \n\nI know they don't have a political characteristic about them, but what they do is they actually create pathways through what's called the blood brain barrier. \n\nOkay, and what I understand is that the brain is very protective of itself, so it doesn't allow any foreign thing to come in To the brain. But it'll accept lymphocytes and they're just little, they're kind of temporary pathways and they die after about a week or two. But what happens then is the stem cells that are geared to your brain can go through those pathways and and I'm doing a program called neuro potential, which is a bio feedback program, and I'm doing a neuro potential program and I did session 30, 29 and 30. I've been doing that for about a year and what it tests you on is when you're watching a movie and I picked a favorite movie which was foils for British detective homicide detective series Long time ago, 15 years ago, very intriguing, very good acting, and so I went Saturday morning to the hospital. \n\nAnd so I went Saturday ago and I did it. And usually what happens during the course of the session? You're watching the, you're watching the screen and then all of a sudden the screen will go black, the sound will go out, but the movie goes on and your brain notices this and it readjust itself so that the screen comes back and the sound comes back, and normally during a session it'll happen four or five times and there's nothing you can do. All you do is the brain just adjust itself and that adjustments are actually making improvements to how your brain operates. And I've been doing it and my EEG tests, which are a battery of screen tests that I do every quarter, indicate that my brain has improved quite a bit over the last year. But this session, the first time now I'm talking about a week ago, saturday not once during the entire movie did the screen black out and or the sound go out. \n\nAnd the first time it ever happened. And the technician they have technicians there who you know they will. They put your sensors on your brain and then they you know they're there all the time and she said I've never seen that before. She said I've never seen it, certainly haven't seen it with you, but she's, I've never seen it with anyone. And these people are these train. These people are trained not to be enthusiastic. \n\nDean: And they're just there, related to your, to the stencils or yeah, well, it's the only thing that's changed. It's gotta be right. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's gotta be, and she up the difficulty. So when I do it fairly easily, she'll up the difficulty and the and yesterday I went and it sound went out three times but the screen did not go black and and she said that's amazing because she said you're even stronger this week than you were last week and that was a real breakthrough week. \n\nSo I think, that that's and this is the only thing where I have outside reference point. That's testing. So, yeah, so, but my energy has been real good from the overall. But I think the big thing is that I am now convinced this specifically from this stem cell thing that we're going through and also other things that I've been doing for the past year that now anything in the body, if it can be diagnosed, if there's something off, if something's not performing right, something's not working period or, worse than that, it's something wrong is happening. \n\nI now am convinced that if it can be diagnosed, it can be repaired and it can be regenerated. So that's yeah. \n\nDean: And. \n\nDan: I've been and I've been going on. I've been going on faith for the last 36 years in this regard that this would come. \n\nDean: Yeah, I mean, you know, you look at, I heard Joe Rogan had well, he always has all kinds of interesting people, but he had Gary Brecca on. I don't know him? \n\nDan: I don't know him. \n\nDean: Yeah Well, he's kind of an interesting story, I don't know. I mean, you know like anything, when you hear him on you know he kind of breaks into the scene. He's the guy that kind of turned Dana White around. Dana's lost all kinds of weight and reversed his. \n\nDan: Oh yeah, I know Dana White, he's the. Yeah, you see ultra fighting, yeah, that's exactly right, yeah, yeah, the US. \n\nDean: And so he. This guy's background was as a I don't know what the right word for what he did, but it was some sort of for insurance companies. They would predict your lifespan. So it was like advanced what do they call that in insurance? Mortality rate, I'm guessing. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's the actuary, the actuary, yeah, yeah, so actuarial. \n\nDean: I guess would be kind of based on statistical groups kind of thing. And what they do is this is based on records, on your on measuring, like genetic markers and blood work, and they couldn't predict. He says within months of somebody's life expectancy, and very interesting, right. So Dana came in and he had, you know, very elevated triglycerides and you know certain other markers that were really kind of degenerative and he's 53 years old and his they marked his life expectancy at 63.6 or something like that. And it was really like an eye-opener for him to see that have that sort of you know, mortality check on what you're, what's going on in your body, and he basically says all these things are, you know, they're starting to give out years and years before they're actually the end of now. So it's not a mystery kind of thing, it's just that way. \n\nYou know, and so he's, you know, done all the things that he recommended and he's already added, like you know, 12 years to his life expectancy already, and that it's kind of, I think, when you're right, that we're at a stage where we're started learning all the Repair models of things that, yeah, to be able to, to regenerate, I'm still amazed that even the fact that DNA exists like how do you even Tune into something like that, right, like how did somebody even Discover that's a thing, is just like beyond my imagination, you know it's, yeah well, electron microscopes with the yeah well, I mean with you know, the the actual day breakthrough. \n\nDan: There's some great stories about that aren't really on point here, but we could go into them. But the point I'd like to bring. This is all cloud land. Yeah, this is all these are cloud land media capabilities that have come into existence, because the I was talking to Peter de Amonus about this and I said it's clearly a Lot of things that were predicted by a lot of people 10 years ago haven't happened. \n\nOkay they haven't happened to the degree that they're happening, but they're not to the degree. But I would say that the application of digital measurement to your body has has gone way beyond what anyone was predicting at the ability to, at the most minute level, to sell your level of actually Measuring and then having comparisons. You know comparisons because these are large model. \n\nThese are large model. You know, when somebody says you are, you know a certain age, like if you take Dana White, and they said 53 and they his prediction was for 63. What they were doing was measuring against millions and millions of other tests that they yeah, I'm not other people that Used to take yours to put the facts together and now it takes minutes, yeah and he wasn't even possible years ago that I put those together. \n\nYeah, no, I mean, my first doctor encounters were in the 1940s, so this is 80, not quite 80 years ago. And the best you could hope for back then was that the doctor had a good bedside manner. \n\nDean: Well, three out of four doctors prefer Chesterfield's. A great Actually. \n\nDan: And it was. It was actually seven out of those, seven out of eight. Who a doctor? Seven out of eight doctors who smoke prefer camo camos. No this is a great. This is a great ad campaign. I mean, we shouldn't be frivolous about this. It's really sold a lot of camos. I'll tell you. \n\nDean: I wonder what those things like. If we look forward you know, fast forward, for the years from now. What are we going to look at? As you know, so Stupid and obvious back in you know that we haven't been paying attention to. \n\nDan: No, yeah, you know, I always say that a depressed utopian, utopian who's depressed. Our people get depressed by the absence of things that haven't been invented yet. Yeah, exactly, geez, there's so much that has been. I'm missing all these things. I said what exactly? Are you missing? Well, I don't know, but I'm missing it, yeah. \n\nDean: It's so funny, I just saw somebody in on Facebook, one of the there's a local Group called it. You know, if you grew up in Georgetown you remember, you may remember kind of group and it was pretty these things and somebody showed you know Georgetown the cable was. You know halting cable was becoming Available and they were offering, you know, service on on the nine channels for our listeners. \n\nDan: Today we're not talking about George town in Washington DC right, we're talking about. \n\nDean: We're talking about. \n\nDan: George town, a lovely veil Norris. And is it more west than north? \n\nDean: I'm trying to think it north and more what I know, the go train goes there. That's exactly right. It's the last outpost on the on the go train and that was the thing they were offering now service on channel two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 11 and 13, and I remember those days, like you know, 1970 Something when we got our first color television and I got the table you know that was. That was the thing. Wow, what a world yeah. But, but just back to the. \n\nDan: You brought up a subject right at the beginning of our talk here DNA. It's actually been the merger of artificial intelligence and DNA that's producing all the amazing diagnostic tests. Because they can now do, then, what they do is they convert biological Signals to digital signals okay and now they can do ten thousand tests, either on something that exists In the time that it would takes to do one manual test ten years ago. So ten thousand to one, that's that qualifies as exponential in my world. \n\nDean: I would say so. Yeah, I would say so. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I'm banking on that. You know, and as you know from our conversations of a long time ago, that I was Babs and I were on this path in the 90s, you know, in the 1990s, so we're 30 years down the road now, but I knew you could tell. \n\nI mean, I read a lot. You know, the internet has been a great tool for me of Just letting my brain go wild on the internet and it finds this and kind of I find your brain Kind of finds what you were looking for, but you didn't know you were looking for it, that's the way I explain it. \n\nDean: Do you find? \n\nDan: that. \n\nDean: I do. I had some experimenting this week, actually Based on our conversation last week that you know you mentioned. You kind of let your brain just go and do what it wants, but let's just I mean almost like with an agreement that let's just, at the end of the day, let's get these three things done, and I don't care what you do or when you do it, but let's just go ahead and let's get these three things. \n\nDan: But I but. \n\nDean: I got a. \n\nDan: I got. I've been thinking about our conversation too and I said but it's finding it for some reason, and I think, using AI language here that somewhere in the past you gave your brain a prompt, just like you do with a chat GPT you gave it a prompt that. If you ever come across something like this, alert me to this. So my sense is that you've been programming your brain to look for certain things since the beginning. You've been prompting your brain to look for certain things. \n\nAnd all of a sudden it comes across something and you wake up and say, gee, that's neat, that's neat. \n\nDean: I didn't know that. \n\nDan: But somewhere in the past you gave some sort of prompts, I think, to tell your brain. If you ever see something like this, just let me know right away, because I'm interested in it. \n\nDean: One of the things that I came across this week was in relation to our conversation about melt, about money, energy, labor and transportation all going in, rising cost of those, and I've been thinking about money, like access to money, and I'm seeing there's more and more versions of intelligent money coming, you know being the thing of empowering creators in a way, and I've looked at, I found out about a company called Indify which is taking a venture capital kind of approach to creators, musicians, particularly independent artists who are, you know, making music, and they're partnering with them for, you know, 50% ownership of whatever comes out of what they're they're producing and it's really, you know, they may not produce like, compared to the music label industry, the model where they would, you know, sign an artist and do a full album and all those things. \n\nDan: These are really but those are already existing. That was already existing. Yeah, yeah, here they're here they're doing music and musician futures. \n\nDean: Yes, that's exactly what it is and that's a really interesting model, like typically they're, you know, with a particular like a song, for instance, they may invest $30,000 to produce a single song and artists, but they're showing that the you know, the typical return on, even like they're not to be they're not talking about hits, but things that they showed investments of their typical investment of $30,000 has returned $110,000 so far per one of those that they've done. Yeah, and they started in 2020, you know, so over that period of time, they've kind of tripled their investments and I thought, partner, you know that, that level of you know in the entrepreneurial world I don't know whether that's that you know the rising cost or you know the that, the diminishing supply of capital. I don't know whether there's different rules for Plotlandia and creative things as opposed to. You know large scale, physical capital. You know capital, physical world. \n\nDan: Yeah, my sense of that is that the smart investors whether it's in the mainland or whether it's in Plotlandia are the same person. They're the same, and my feeling is that the smartest investors invest on people. They don't invest on things. They don't really invest on things, and so my sense is that the example you just gave this person has proven in the past that they're actually creative. \n\nDean: And they always seem to be coming up. \n\nDan: they always seem to be coming up with new things, and some of them have monetized and some of them haven't monetized. So that's the guess. And that's the bet you know. In other words, I'm guessing that you're going to. You already come up with something in the past that turned out to be money making. \n\nDean: And. \n\nDan: I'm betting I'm just going to bet on you as a creator, that you're going to come up with some good stuff that properly captured, properly packaged and properly distributed is going to be money making. \n\nDean: Would you say I agree. I mean, do you think you're kind of heading back to the patron days? Oh yeah. Yeah in a way, yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: Oh, totally, totally. I mean entrepreneurs are you and I and all the folks that we hang out with are we're self patrons? \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: The difference between an entrepreneur and non entrepreneurs and individual who's betting on himself as the future. Well, you did that a long time ago and you know, and I did it a long time ago, and so that's why I'm not taken by things. You know, I'm not really taken by things. You know, betting on things like I've talked about a product or a tech. \n\nI'm not betting on that I'm betting on the thing possibly being a tool that some really smart human is going to maximize going to. You know it's going to do something. And I was thinking about that with Elon Musk, because there's no reason for his valuations related to Tesla. You know, if you took the normal valuations of a car company, the number of cars you got, the distribution system, you got his the Tesla doesn't make sense. The valuation that he has for Tesla makes no sense whatsoever. By right, historic automobile standards, right, and somebody was saying that they you know this is, you know this is, you know this is a scam. I said you're missing the point here. \n\nThey're not betting on the Tesla car. They're betting on Elon Musk coming up with always new things. \n\nDean: That is true, and he, yeah, he's, yeah, he's come up with quite a few. \n\nDan: Yeah, and I think Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs was on that track, but he died he, you know he died, I mean because, really, if you take a look at Apple's extraordinary, it's stuff that all goes back to Steve Jobs. \n\nDean: Yes. \n\nDan: And, and I mean not a big thing since, not a really big thing since 2008. \n\nDean: Right, since the iPhone, right. I mean, that's really the iPhone yeah. Yeah, that decade of, you know, 90 2008,. That's really that's where everything happened. I think was. I think about it. Yeah, we talked about it in our analysis of the last 28 years. That none of it. You know Apple was close to bankruptcy, that they were in trouble 28 years ago he had to borrow from Bill Gates. Yeah, exactly, and that's you know, that's kind of. \n\nDan: That's pretty amazing right. \n\nDean: When you think about everything that's turned around since then, and thinking about even Jeff Bezos, who you know, who knew. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, and you know, and so so the the thing about betting, but I always bet on people. You know, my whole approach is that this is a person you know who proven track record and part of it is that they not do what they're doing. You know, one of my views is that I look at somebody who cannot do the thing that seems to be most valuable, and and so I don't have to worry what they're doing when I don't see them. \n\nDean: Right, what's he? \n\nDan: doing? What's? What's he doing today? I know exactly what he's doing today. He's doing what I bet on. \n\nDean: He's doing what I bet on him doing, you know and you know. \n\nDan: So it's a very interesting thing. So, but I think I was going back because we had this conversation. I said, you know, if I go back because I've really been an entrepreneur since really the beginning of the microchip age in the 70s. They started using the word microchip, I think early 70s, but I read about it in 73 and I started my company in 74 1974. So 50 years next year. \n\nDean: And. \n\nDan: I would say that the microchip itself is one of the real breakthroughs. And then the ability for there to be such thing as a personal computer, which came up within the first 10 years of the microchip and then graphic user interface, which made the personal computer available to everybody, okay. \n\nAnd then the internet, probably software somewhere in there, the whole notion of software, that it didn't have to be hardware. Usefulness of the computer did not have to be hardware, it could just be a program. And then I would say the internet, and then the iPhone, and now artificial intelligence. \n\nDean: Yeah, artificial intelligence that, I think what's happening there is. Nobody could really have predicted. I mean maybe people who knew were predicting, but I don't think people really had a sense of what was really possible with this until now, and I think as a species right now, we're clueless about where this is going. \n\nDan: I said you know. I said you can say anything you want about where it's going and probably you'll be right, but there's going to be a million other things happening to that. Nobody could have predicted. \n\nDean: Yeah, I mean it's really. \n\nDan: I mean where are you crossing into this world? I mean, what are you do? We have three or four projects. \n\nDean: We have three or four projects going that I'm involved in the company and so where are you? \n\nDan: I'm at the experiment when are you experimenting? \n\nDean: Yeah, I'm experimenting in the personal side, like my personal experience with it. \n\nWe're not using it as it's not integrated in any way into my company that you're you know our stuff yet, but I can see that it could be. \n\nI mean, I looked at, you know, one of the things that we do we have a subscription for. We have two different versions one for realtors, one for financial advisors of a postcard newsletter called the world's most interesting postcard, and it's essentially a carrier for referral programming that you as a realtor or a financial advisor would send to your top 150 relationships so that you are programming them to notice conversations about real estate, to think about you and to introduce you to the person that they had the conversation with. And it's been, you know, a phenomenal game changer for the amount of referrals that people get, measured as a, you know, return on relationship, the percentage of repeated referral business you get from your top 150 relationships. And so I had four years we've been doing it for 12 years now a monthly postcard where we have someone research and put together there might be 16, you know just short, interesting facts that you put on the front of the postcard and it's got a nice design and so it's easy to read. It's kind of just like you know interesting things and the. \n\nI started thinking about, well, if I did what, if I did one specifically for for financial advisors, that all the facts and stuff are money related. And I just asked chat GPT one day. I said can you write to you know 10 short interesting facts about the history of money? And it started writing the things. And then I asked it to you know, make it a little more interesting things. And it, you know, put it on. That said you can be 20 more. And it was like boom, all interesting. \n\nDan: Yeah, absolutely. I said yeah, and you're, you're, you're designing, though, as you go along, there's probably an interactive thing going on between yeah, right, I'm just directing, you know, there's two. Ai's AI breakthroughs consist of two AI's. You know the first AI is artificial intelligence. The second one's called the actual intelligence. \n\nDean: Yeah, exactly so. \n\nDan: I'm bringing the actual intelligence. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I said it was so funny, Dan, because I said to it well, these are great. How many do you think you could? Well, I can make an infinite number of these. How many would you like? And it was just so funny that I ended up with like 50 of these you know, and just instantly done and I thought you know that's a really interesting thing. \n\nAgain, those are, you know it's content related. I came, I had this idea of you know I think there are 400 and something cognitive biases that are, and I just started. \n\nDan: How many of you mastered it Right, exactly, and you know it's an interesting thing. \n\nDean: I said can you make a three minute video script describing confirmation bias, the facts about what it is and how it might be, how it might be deployed or come into play and how to defend against it? \n\nAnd it wrote this amazing, like just you know, intro this, then scene of this and then this, and narrator says that there's the script, you know, and it was just. I mean, when you look at the putting together of the different things, I saw this I saw someone do a demonstration of you know, having it write some. It was writing ads, video ads for something, and it they had gone to one of the gone to 11 labs. I think is a place where you train your voice. \n\nSo it's got your voice. And then it went to another place that had your digital, you know avatar, you know from video of you, and Then it combined this AI written script with your voice through your face on your avatar on video and it's instantly translated into any Language where your mouth moves and your mouth is saying the words in Japanese or German or French or whatever, and I just Just such a like you can see. That's a you know, the distribution of Content like that, you know, is amazing. \n\nBut then it's still so that's everything I've seen has been content related, you know, kind of yeah, creation and as a multiplier for content creation. But then the bigger you know we've had the conversation that, the bigger you know. Picture of that is that our brains we still can't consume At any more than the speed of reality, which is 60 minutes per hour right, it takes us. \n\nDan: Yeah, and the other thing is that we can only think about one thing at a time, you know. I mean, we can't think two things at the same time. Humans just can't do this, and you know, and as you say, it's reality, world, time-based. Yeah, you know, and really the successful people have learned firsthand just what can get begin gotten done in an hour a day, and and then also it's developed a sense of discernment about just what's worth Having your mind on for an hour for a whole day and you know, and that you know, and I've dropped, I'm noticing I'm shedding all sorts of things as I Approach 80. \n\nJust I dropped televisions. I'm in my sixth year now dropping television and and people say, but you're a big sports fan. And I said, oh, I've got a trick. I said I wait till the game. \n\nI I've got. I wait till the game, as though I'll use Cleveland Brown says an example and I just checked. I checked the score. You know the scores are in now. It's some beyond game time. Did they win or lose? Well, if they lost, I'm not interested. If they won, then they have a ten minute video of the highlights and that's my game. \n\nDean: You know and. \n\nDan: I know they've won and then I just get a chance to see how they won. Okay, if they lose, I don't watch it, because I, because that doesn't do me any good, doesn't do me any. I'm already disappointed they lost. Why would I pile on and People said, yeah, but you're? Missing all the excitement of the game and I said, I said yes. I said I want to be excited about other things. I don't want to be excited about young people who are one-third of my age. \n\nI did coming through for me or not coming through for me? I want to see the final result. \n\nDean: I've been contemplating Dan because, I I find that embarrassingly, much of my time is screen-sucking. You know, as our friend, there's a lot of, there's a lot of screen-sucking and I would count television and YouTube and tiktok and Facebook and Anytime my eyeballs are sucking dopamine in through my screen as that time. And I've been experimenting with, you know, disconnecting from the the dopamine device you know, and so this morning was one of those times. \n\nI'm trying to get to a point where I can get as far into my day without having any, you know, digital input, and I think that there's a real Face that I could go, you know, all the way till noon with no Contact with the outside world and that, I think, would be a better thing for me. \n\nBut it's amazing how your body like I went over to the cafe this morning to get some, get a coffee and just sit outside and you know, I didn't take my phone, I woke up, I still wake up in the you know the first thing. You know, I checked my phone or whatever. I left it here and I went to the, the cafe and it's amazing how your brain is Like saying you know, wait a second, what if anything? What if you? What? \n\nDan: if you break down. \n\nDean: What if you're Get an accident or you need to call somebody here? What? What about that? And then I realized I don't know a single person's phone number. I don't know what single phone number except my office, you know, and not there's nobody there, but that's. It's very funny to me, that's where your mind goes. And then I had that. I took real money Because normally I use my Apple pay on my phone to pay for it, and so I had real paper money with me and it was just. \n\nIt was so Interesting to sit at the cafe and just watch everybody you know, all you know, even together screen sucking the whole time and I've been experimenting like how much can I Disconnect from that in a proactive way? Right, like well, it's interesting. \n\nDan: It's interesting because in the year you're applying the concept of intermittent fasting. Yeah, exactly that, yeah, you're going to. You know I'm going to spend three hours or four hours where I fast, you know yeah. Because your brain will find something to do if you're not right now yes autophagy Remember this is something interesting. \n\nDean: I was really going as far as, like, how far down can I go with this? Right, like what would I truly be missing? As I do, I use my phone all the time for everything. I mean texting, email, ordering food, you know all of the stuff. Entertainment Talking and I was. \n\nI remember there was a show about the royalty I think it was called the crown, and or maybe it was a movie about the Queen, but I remember this was struck me as very like a very interesting is that every day at a certain time 5 pm Maybe, or noon or sometime they would bring the Queen a red box. \n\nOh yeah, box was everything that she needed for the day, everything that needed her attention kind of thing, and I thought how neat would that be. What would be interesting if I could, at 5 pm Every day, get a box that has Every thing that I need, like any emails that have come in, any texts that have come in, any you know articles of interest. That would be. You know, something that I would need and I've wondered about that getting rid of. Like you know, I check on that judge report and you know I the news, like seeing different things that are going on in the world and I thought to myself I wonder what happened if I went to, like you know, paper subscriptions to Newsweek Time magazine and the Wall Street Journal as the my Well they're. \n\nDan: I've gone beyond that because I used to get five papers a day. Yeah, you got two to Toronto papers. I got the, I got the Wall Street Journal, I got New York Times and. National Post well, national Post was globe in the post for the two. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: Toronto papers, and then the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times, and the fifth one was business, business and best investors daily. Yeah, right, yeah, investors, business daily, and. But I began to realize that I all those papers. The only thing I was really interested in was the opinion section. \n\nDean: Okay, where the? \n\nDan: people wrote Oversight articles, in other words they were looking at a something and they were writing that. And then you know politics I began to notice that in the Newspaper world they were making most of their money after a while on subscriptions because the advertising dollars were being taken away by Facebook and Google and yeah, and they had to go to digital versions on a subscription basis. And what that did is that it polarized the media in the sense that, for example, the Wall Street Journal I Would say 80 to 90 percent of its subscription probably is Center or center right on the political spectrum. There's center right and the New. \n\nYork Times is Barely center, mostly to the left, and I noticed that the Globe and Mail is now center to the left and the Globe and Mail or the post is still Still somewhat into the right. Into the right and the investors business daily only has opinions on Saturday. \n\nYou know they only have a real commentary section. So, yes, okay. So when I began looking for, I said, well, still hit or miss, because there may be some good stuff or not good stuff. So I went to this aggregator which is called real clerk, comes up Chicago and all they do is aggregate Article headings and they're almost all, they're all commentary, okay. So every morning and six days a week they do an update at three o'clock in the afternoon. So you get up in the morning and they have that, and then at three o'clock in the afternoon they have an update. They don't do this on Saturday. Okay, there's one day when they don't do it Right but then they have all sorts of real clear. \n\nThey have real clear politics, they have real clear policy. They have real clear market real clear world real clear defense, real clear energy, real clear health real clear science and those are more. \n\nThey're picking up a periodicals rather than daily, and so I just get up in the morning and I look and I click on three or four of them and they come for the New York Times. It's lucky if they get one every day. Some of them have paywalls so that when you go to their thing they're saying well, you can read the article if you pay for a subscription, and that counts them out. You know, I'm not going to pay, I'm not going to sign up for a subscription to get one article, so right. \n\nSo, yeah and so, so, anyway. So that's what I've done. So and I'm down now to Babs gets the post because she likes knowing Toronto things, but I don't bother looking at the, for the last two or three weeks they've had great articles. It's mainly how our Prime Minister is going down the drain, which I always find comforting reading. And then the Israeli, the Israeli Amos situation and that's been a great clarifier Boy. \n\nYou really find out where people stand with this particular issue. That's been a really great clarifier herself. Yeah, yeah, so anyway, but that's how I handle it. I handle it. That's my sort of my red box. Real clear, it's my red box. \n\nDean: Right, that's interesting. \n\nDan: You know what they do you know what they call that? The thing that the queen gets. I don't know what they call it. They call it the red box. \n\nDean: That's what I thought. \n\nDan: You know that red box she gets every day. \n\nDean: You know what they call it. \n\nDan: They call it the red box. \n\nDean: That is so funny, but I thought about experimenting with that and getting a red box and the government has to prepare them for. \n\nDan: The Prime Minister's office has to prepare that for her, exactly yeah. Yeah, because they're both in town. Once a week, the Prime Minister has to come to the palace and deliver in person some of the crucial issues. This is not recorded. No one ever knows. \n\nDean: Right A weekly audience with the queen Right. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah. \n\nDean: Yeah, and the king now. \n\nDan: I guess I guess the king. Should we send the red box to the king? It's kind of hard to say. It's kind of hard to say it's kind of hard to say king, I'd say king, you know because she was in for seven years or so. Yeah. There was a great play. Actually it was called the Interview. I saw it, and I saw it in London, right around the corner from the hotel. \n\nDean: And. \n\nDan: Helen Merrin was the queen. Helen Merrin was the queen and that what they did is all the Prime Ministers that she's had, starting with Winston Churchill, right up until last year. I guess there were a whole bunch of Prime Ministers over the last two or three years, so anyway, but she had just talked about. \n\nIt was all made up, because nobody really knows what's that, but they just used topical issues of the time, and you know, and whether she got along with the Prime Ministers or not, or and everything else, and it was a very, just a really terrific, really terrific play. \n\nDean: I saw Napoleon on Thanksgiving Day. What did you think? \n\nDan: What did you think? \n\nDean: I didn't like it Did you see, it. I haven't. It was as we like to say, dan. There was a lot of middle in that movie. \n\nDan: It was all middle it joined in progress and just never left the middle. \n\nDean: There were only two scenes that were repeated six times. There was the drama in the palace and then there was battle scenes with horses and bayonets and cannons and on and on the same battle scenes, again and again, and then back to the palace and it was really. I didn't enjoy it at all. I had no. It was my shortest movie review ever. \n\nDan: I just looked at the camera. \n\nDean: I shook my head and said nope, and then I hashtagged it nope, olean, yeah yeah yeah, and, but I have no real historical knowledge of, you know, of Napoleon but, I, did you know? The most interesting thing was at the end they did a summary of all the people that were lost in battles, like 6 million people in his period of being the king, he lost in battle. That was that's crazy, you know. 6 million seemed like that seemed like a lot. \n\nDan: Well, we must use all of them up, because his final battle was 1815. That's when Waterloo was you know the final battle, and then there was not a major European war until the beginning of the beginning of the First World War. So it was 99 years. So he must have used everybody up because it took a whole century to stack up again. \n\nYeah, and you know yeah, I mean a lot of American history, american history, really, you know, from the British fighting the French. You know that's really where the American thing starts, it's. I don't know what they call it. You know they call it the Seven Years War here in Canada, but in the United States it was called the French and Indian War. \n\nYou, know, and this was 1817, 50s, 1763, Seven Years. But this is where all the American colonists got their military training, which they then used to good for self fighting the British. Oh wow, 1717. So George Washington was an American born. You know, they were all British. I mean, they were all British. Yeah, All the colonists were British. And then anyway, but that takes you right up until he. \n\nI think Napoleon comes in around 1793 and he was in for 22 years, but he totally changed Europe. I mean, he was like a major earthquake that went right across the continent and that really changed things. You know, hitler, hitler was great. Hitler was a great admirer of Napoleon. \n\nDean: Yeah, and that right. \n\nDan: He made, and he made the same mistake. \n\nDean: He invaded. \n\nDan: Russia. Right right, right right. \n\nDean: That's yeah. So I'm going to save you from from that. \n\nDan: Yeah, well, it's not a it's not a topic that I'm really interested in Right, I've never just talked about Napoleon, no. I just you know, but he, he not only was a significant military person, he was very significant politician. Because so that's where we get the metric. Metric system is from Napoleon. \n\nDean: That's right yeah. \n\nDan: And they didn't have any standard measurements in Europe. Okay, you know I mean the British had their own. But you know, the British is kind of a organic thing that's developed over time, feet, inches, feet, yards and everything, and it's the light and the lightfully accent and idiosyncratic. It's eccentric and eccentric. The British are eccentric, you know, and he wanted this 100. Everything is, you know, and it took all the fun out of it, took all the fun out of measurement. \n\nDean: Right, you imagine. \n\nDan: American, American baseball and metric, you know. \n\nDean: American football and metric. \n\nDan: Yeah. That's even the Canadian football league uses yards and feet and you know everything like that, you know all the buddy, yeah, track and field they don't, because that's a more of a European thing. Yeah, yeah World stage. Anyway, well, it's really interesting, but I'd like to pick up a little bit more on this couple of themes that we've developed over the last few talks, and one of them, and what I think, is that every human being is a confirmation bias. Okay, say more about that. \n\nWell, you're biased according to the experience that's proved useful or not useful. Okay, okay okay, so you've used a term you know to grade movies that are not worth seeing a lot of the middle. Okay, yeah, so there was a lot. I don't remember if there was a beginning end or an ending end. It's just battles and battles. Battles and battles, that's right, and palace, yeah, but I think that really thing because I think that it's impossible for human beings not to have a bias. \n\nYeah, I think, that's absolutely I think as the smarter human beings know what their biases are and actually choose them, yeah, they actually choose them, yeah. And and you know, as it just strikes me that this whole notion of neutrality, that you can be unbiased is, I think it's just silly, how could you? Possibly be unbiased. \n\nDean: I mean, that's right. \n\nDan: In the world, you wouldn't survive. \n\nDean: Yeah, in the words of Milton Friedman. To fill down at you, where do you propose we find these angels to organize society without regards to personal interest or bias? I don't even trust you to do that, phil. \n\nDan: I've watched that about. I've watched that about 10 times. Yeah that's such a great because you can just see that Phil down to who just has this sort of fluffy, waffly form of logic. You know, all basically emotion based you know emotion yeah. \n\nI mean, he didn't have our perspective. New Prime Minister here is getting a lot of fights. When you finish here, go on Google and say Peter Polly of you know, you know how to spell it, don't you? Yes, okay, takes down reporter. Just, he just took down a reporter and it was one of the most masterful takedowns of reporter ever, and he did it while chewing on Apple. \n\nDean: Oh, I love it. \n\nDan: So he's being interviewed, and he's, and the person says, well, you know, you know, you're taking a very ideological approach. He says ideological, what's that? Well, what's ideological? And the reporter says, well, you know, it's more emotion based. And he says name a name, an example. Or name an example, well you know, and it gets round that he's reproducing Donald Trump and you know that's the ultimate killer, that's the kill shots. You know you call somebody Donald Trump. \n\nDean: Is that right? \n\nDan: No. And he says well, a lot of the experts. And he says experts, name one expert and the reporter did not have a specific piece of information. That was all this fluffy narrative and you could just see the guy was flailing and meanwhile Pierre Polyov is just eating example, and he says do you have an actual point to this interview? And the guy. You could just see the guy. You know they didn't show him in full, but I bet you know there was a puddle under his feet when he was finished. \n\nThat's so funny, dan yeah yeah, and he's just learned how to deal with this whole issue that they try to catch you on their words. \n\nDean: Yeah, exactly. \n\nDan: I don't even know what that word means. I mean, do you know what that word is? \n\nDean: You just used a word. \n\nDan: I don't know what that word is. And he says well, you know you're doing left versus right. And he says name a time when I've actually said that. I've never said love first right. I don't believe them. Left first right. So I believe in common sense and I'm kind of bored the side that has common sense, so you know we haven't had any of. You just aren't used to it because we haven't had any common sense for the last eight years. \n\nSo that's not used to dealing with. So, anyway, and he's I think he's a phenomenal debater. You know because he's been in, he's 44 years old and he's been in parliament for 19 years you know, he's been there since he was 25. Wow, yeah, so, but it's really interesting to watch it. You know, I mean, and I'm very biased towards his side of the political spectrum. \n\nDean: You have a cognitive bias around him. Is that what you said? I? \n\nDan: have a total. I have a total cognitive bias. That's funny. \n\nDean: I love it. \n\nDan: Yeah, okay, so anyway, fascinating where this is going, but I think this AI thing is a much. What should I call it here? I think it's a catalyst for a real mind change and how we think about everything. I think interacting with this technology is actually introducing us to how we actually think about things. \n\nDean: I think you're right, because you have to bring that to it. Yeah, so you are, you're off to Phoenix. \n\nDan: Yeah, we fly out on Tuesday and then we're there until Saturday. I were there until Sunday morning because I can't take more than two days of sitting in a room. \n\nAnd so we're off to Chicago and then we have a Chicago week. We have I just have one workshop, I have the free zone on Thursday, yeah, so so anyway, you know, yeah, it's been a good year. It's been actually it's been a very sailing kind of year. I haven't had any real time crunches or anything else. Great, that's awesome. And so then we're back, are you? And yeah, and so June 12th, june 18th, is our first free zone in Toronto. \n\nDean: Oh, you've set the date already. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: Oh great. \n\nDan: Yeah, and now I'll just forward to Tammy, who is the wizard mastermind of scheduling here, tammy Colville. \n\nDean: And I'll just send. \n\nDan: I'll just forward her announcement that just came through two days ago, so I'll just yeah, and we're doing it in. June. I mean, isn't that nice starting it off in June. \n\nDean: I love that. I love that I do miss Toronto. Yeah, I love it. \n\nDan: I think, Toronto misses you, I think Toronto misses you. Oh, that's so funny, I love it. Yeah, there's no more table 10 anywhere. I haven't found a table 10 anywhere. \n\nDean: We're going to need a new. We'll need a new venue. Oh well, we'll go to the old bed We'll go. \n\nDan: I mean less selected still there and they're still good, so we'll go. Okay Good, okay Perfect. \n\nDean: Okay, dan, have a great trip Two weeks. We'll be back. \n\nDan: I'm sorry. Two weeks, two weeks, okay, yeah, okay, okay, I'll talk to you then. Thanks, okay, bye. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn today\u0026#39;s Welcome to Cloudlandia episode, Dan shares his experience with stem cell treatments, from his different injections to increased energy and improved brain function. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNext, we explore the fascinating realm of intelligent money exemplified by Indify and how it empowers creators by potentially disrupting the music industry through musicians\u0026#39; futures. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eLastly, we make a special announcement about our first Free Zone event in Toronto this June. 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I came in on the app today and so we\u0026#39;ll see. And over the last week we had some intermittent disruption. So to try this this week. Maybe it\u0026#39;s a different level of unpredictable variety. I called it unpredictable variety. That\u0026#39;s right. We roll with it and yeah, and there we go, yeah. So everybody wants to know, dan, how is the $6 million man doing with his biomegies? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e here. Yeah, yeah, pretty good. So we\u0026#39;re talking on a Sunday and just the past Thursday was two weeks, and you know I got a figure in the placebo factor here and I think I mentioned this last time that when you have a pain and you don\u0026#39;t have any solution for it, you try to avoid the pain, and so you kind of? A you kind of a focus on it. You rearrange your posture and your body to avoid the pain. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But since I had the stem cell injection, I came back and the pain didn\u0026#39;t seem any different. But I was confident about it that I now had a pain that in, according to prediction, in six months I won\u0026#39;t have the pain. And so I\u0026#39;m not avoiding the pain and I\u0026#39;m you know, I\u0026#39;m walking downstairs without holding out to the rail and just depending on my leg. But I will say in the last two or three, three days I\u0026#39;ve I have noticed an improvement so that I\u0026#39;m getting from. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know we have top to bottom we in some cases I\u0026#39;m going to flights, yes. And and yeah, so I told Dr Hasse, david Hasse, who\u0026#39;s in the free zone with us, because he\u0026#39;s the arranger for all this. Anything else I do, I go through his clinic, so he\u0026#39;s the one who arranged everything in Buenos Aires. Yes, and I tell him. I said I\u0026#39;m I\u0026#39;m naturally a self-producer of placebo\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And I said I think it\u0026#39;s part of my. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it\u0026#39;s part of my character. I had nice said actually isn\u0026#39;t strategic coaches, and that was strategic coaches producing your own placebo\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So I love it yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so anyway, all friends, but I will tell you this we had three different treatments. I did and Babs had a fourth one. So Babs had a big toe, inflamed bones and her big toe. And the pain is way, way down after two weeks. And both of us had vascular IVs, so this is where the stem cells are put you know, it\u0026#39;s an IV, so it goes in over 40 minutes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It wasn\u0026#39;t an injection. Right, right, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But it\u0026#39;s, these stem cells are geared just to your vascular system, so just you know the veins, as I said and so I feel quite a bit more energy, and again, I\u0026#39;m not discounting the placebo effect. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd the third, the third thing that I did Babs did vascular two and I did brain cells. So these, what they do is that they put lymphocytes in on day one and then on day three they give you an IV for the, for your brain cells and the lymphocytes. I don\u0026#39;t exactly understand what they are. Okay, I know they\u0026#39;re neither Republican or Democrat. I do know that they\u0026#39;re NDP, right? Exactly, yeah, I know that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI know they don\u0026#39;t have a political characteristic about them, but what they do is they actually create pathways through what\u0026#39;s called the blood brain barrier. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOkay, and what I understand is that the brain is very protective of itself, so it doesn\u0026#39;t allow any foreign thing to come in To the brain. But it\u0026#39;ll accept lymphocytes and they\u0026#39;re just little, they\u0026#39;re kind of temporary pathways and they die after about a week or two. But what happens then is the stem cells that are geared to your brain can go through those pathways and and I\u0026#39;m doing a program called neuro potential, which is a bio feedback program, and I\u0026#39;m doing a neuro potential program and I did session 30, 29 and 30. I\u0026#39;ve been doing that for about a year and what it tests you on is when you\u0026#39;re watching a movie and I picked a favorite movie which was foils for British detective homicide detective series Long time ago, 15 years ago, very intriguing, very good acting, and so I went Saturday morning to the hospital. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd so I went Saturday ago and I did it. And usually what happens during the course of the session? You\u0026#39;re watching the, you\u0026#39;re watching the screen and then all of a sudden the screen will go black, the sound will go out, but the movie goes on and your brain notices this and it readjust itself so that the screen comes back and the sound comes back, and normally during a session it\u0026#39;ll happen four or five times and there\u0026#39;s nothing you can do. All you do is the brain just adjust itself and that adjustments are actually making improvements to how your brain operates. And I\u0026#39;ve been doing it and my EEG tests, which are a battery of screen tests that I do every quarter, indicate that my brain has improved quite a bit over the last year. But this session, the first time now I\u0026#39;m talking about a week ago, saturday not once during the entire movie did the screen black out and or the sound go out. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd the first time it ever happened. And the technician they have technicians there who you know they will. They put your sensors on your brain and then they you know they\u0026#39;re there all the time and she said I\u0026#39;ve never seen that before. She said I\u0026#39;ve never seen it, certainly haven\u0026#39;t seen it with you, but she\u0026#39;s, I\u0026#39;ve never seen it with anyone. And these people are these train. These people are trained not to be enthusiastic. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And they\u0026#39;re just there, related to your, to the stencils or yeah, well, it\u0026#39;s the only thing that\u0026#39;s changed. It\u0026#39;s gotta be right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s gotta be, and she up the difficulty. So when I do it fairly easily, she\u0026#39;ll up the difficulty and the and yesterday I went and it sound went out three times but the screen did not go black and and she said that\u0026#39;s amazing because she said you\u0026#39;re even stronger this week than you were last week and that was a real breakthrough week. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo I think, that that\u0026#39;s and this is the only thing where I have outside reference point. That\u0026#39;s testing. So, yeah, so, but my energy has been real good from the overall. But I think the big thing is that I am now convinced this specifically from this stem cell thing that we\u0026#39;re going through and also other things that I\u0026#39;ve been doing for the past year that now anything in the body, if it can be diagnosed, if there\u0026#39;s something off, if something\u0026#39;s not performing right, something\u0026#39;s not working period or, worse than that, it\u0026#39;s something wrong is happening. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI now am convinced that if it can be diagnosed, it can be repaired and it can be regenerated. So that\u0026#39;s yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve been and I\u0026#39;ve been going on. I\u0026#39;ve been going on faith for the last 36 years in this regard that this would come. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean, you know, you look at, I heard Joe Rogan had well, he always has all kinds of interesting people, but he had Gary Brecca on. I don\u0026#39;t know him? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t know him. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah Well, he\u0026#39;s kind of an interesting story, I don\u0026#39;t know. I mean, you know like anything, when you hear him on you know he kind of breaks into the scene. He\u0026#39;s the guy that kind of turned Dana White around. Dana\u0026#39;s lost all kinds of weight and reversed his. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah, I know Dana White, he\u0026#39;s the. Yeah, you see ultra fighting, yeah, that\u0026#39;s exactly right, yeah, yeah, the US. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And so he. This guy\u0026#39;s background was as a I don\u0026#39;t know what the right word for what he did, but it was some sort of for insurance companies. They would predict your lifespan. So it was like advanced what do they call that in insurance? Mortality rate, I\u0026#39;m guessing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s the actuary, the actuary, yeah, yeah, so actuarial. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I guess would be kind of based on statistical groups kind of thing. And what they do is this is based on records, on your on measuring, like genetic markers and blood work, and they couldn\u0026#39;t predict. He says within months of somebody\u0026#39;s life expectancy, and very interesting, right. So Dana came in and he had, you know, very elevated triglycerides and you know certain other markers that were really kind of degenerative and he\u0026#39;s 53 years old and his they marked his life expectancy at 63.6 or something like that. And it was really like an eye-opener for him to see that have that sort of you know, mortality check on what you\u0026#39;re, what\u0026#39;s going on in your body, and he basically says all these things are, you know, they\u0026#39;re starting to give out years and years before they\u0026#39;re actually the end of now. So it\u0026#39;s not a mystery kind of thing, it\u0026#39;s just that way. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, and so he\u0026#39;s, you know, done all the things that he recommended and he\u0026#39;s already added, like you know, 12 years to his life expectancy already, and that it\u0026#39;s kind of, I think, when you\u0026#39;re right, that we\u0026#39;re at a stage where we\u0026#39;re started learning all the Repair models of things that, yeah, to be able to, to regenerate, I\u0026#39;m still amazed that even the fact that DNA exists like how do you even Tune into something like that, right, like how did somebody even Discover that\u0026#39;s a thing, is just like beyond my imagination, you know it\u0026#39;s, yeah well, electron microscopes with the yeah well, I mean with you know, the the actual day breakthrough. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e There\u0026#39;s some great stories about that aren\u0026#39;t really on point here, but we could go into them. But the point I\u0026#39;d like to bring. This is all cloud land. Yeah, this is all these are cloud land media capabilities that have come into existence, because the I was talking to Peter de Amonus about this and I said it\u0026#39;s clearly a Lot of things that were predicted by a lot of people 10 years ago haven\u0026#39;t happened. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOkay they haven\u0026#39;t happened to the degree that they\u0026#39;re happening, but they\u0026#39;re not to the degree. But I would say that the application of digital measurement to your body has has gone way beyond what anyone was predicting at the ability to, at the most minute level, to sell your level of actually Measuring and then having comparisons. You know comparisons because these are large model. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThese are large model. You know, when somebody says you are, you know a certain age, like if you take Dana White, and they said 53 and they his prediction was for 63. What they were doing was measuring against millions and millions of other tests that they yeah, I\u0026#39;m not other people that Used to take yours to put the facts together and now it takes minutes, yeah and he wasn\u0026#39;t even possible years ago that I put those together. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, no, I mean, my first doctor encounters were in the 1940s, so this is 80, not quite 80 years ago. And the best you could hope for back then was that the doctor had a good bedside manner. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, three out of four doctors prefer Chesterfield\u0026#39;s. A great Actually. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And it was. It was actually seven out of those, seven out of eight. Who a doctor? Seven out of eight doctors who smoke prefer camo camos. No this is a great. This is a great ad campaign. I mean, we shouldn\u0026#39;t be frivolous about this. It\u0026#39;s really sold a lot of camos. I\u0026#39;ll tell you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I wonder what those things like. If we look forward you know, fast forward, for the years from now. What are we going to look at? As you know, so Stupid and obvious back in you know that we haven\u0026#39;t been paying attention to. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, yeah, you know, I always say that a depressed utopian, utopian who\u0026#39;s depressed. Our people get depressed by the absence of things that haven\u0026#39;t been invented yet. Yeah, exactly, geez, there\u0026#39;s so much that has been. I\u0026#39;m missing all these things. I said what exactly? Are you missing? Well, I don\u0026#39;t know, but I\u0026#39;m missing it, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s so funny, I just saw somebody in on Facebook, one of the there\u0026#39;s a local Group called it. You know, if you grew up in Georgetown you remember, you may remember kind of group and it was pretty these things and somebody showed you know Georgetown the cable was. You know halting cable was becoming Available and they were offering, you know, service on on the nine channels for our listeners. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Today we\u0026#39;re not talking about George town in Washington DC right, we\u0026#39;re talking about. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We\u0026#39;re talking about. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e George town, a lovely veil Norris. And is it more west than north? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m trying to think it north and more what I know, the go train goes there. That\u0026#39;s exactly right. It\u0026#39;s the last outpost on the on the go train and that was the thing they were offering now service on channel two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 11 and 13, and I remember those days, like you know, 1970 Something when we got our first color television and I got the table you know that was. That was the thing. Wow, what a world yeah. But, but just back to the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You brought up a subject right at the beginning of our talk here DNA. It\u0026#39;s actually been the merger of artificial intelligence and DNA that\u0026#39;s producing all the amazing diagnostic tests. Because they can now do, then, what they do is they convert biological Signals to digital signals okay and now they can do ten thousand tests, either on something that exists In the time that it would takes to do one manual test ten years ago. So ten thousand to one, that\u0026#39;s that qualifies as exponential in my world. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I would say so. Yeah, I would say so. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I\u0026#39;m banking on that. You know, and as you know from our conversations of a long time ago, that I was Babs and I were on this path in the 90s, you know, in the 1990s, so we\u0026#39;re 30 years down the road now, but I knew you could tell. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean, I read a lot. You know, the internet has been a great tool for me of Just letting my brain go wild on the internet and it finds this and kind of I find your brain Kind of finds what you were looking for, but you didn\u0026#39;t know you were looking for it, that\u0026#39;s the way I explain it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you find? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I do. I had some experimenting this week, actually Based on our conversation last week that you know you mentioned. You kind of let your brain just go and do what it wants, but let\u0026#39;s just I mean almost like with an agreement that let\u0026#39;s just, at the end of the day, let\u0026#39;s get these three things done, and I don\u0026#39;t care what you do or when you do it, but let\u0026#39;s just go ahead and let\u0026#39;s get these three things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But I but. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I got a. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I got. I\u0026#39;ve been thinking about our conversation too and I said but it\u0026#39;s finding it for some reason, and I think, using AI language here that somewhere in the past you gave your brain a prompt, just like you do with a chat GPT you gave it a prompt that. If you ever come across something like this, alert me to this. So my sense is that you\u0026#39;ve been programming your brain to look for certain things since the beginning. You\u0026#39;ve been prompting your brain to look for certain things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd all of a sudden it comes across something and you wake up and say, gee, that\u0026#39;s neat, that\u0026#39;s neat. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I didn\u0026#39;t know that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But somewhere in the past you gave some sort of prompts, I think, to tell your brain. If you ever see something like this, just let me know right away, because I\u0026#39;m interested in it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e One of the things that I came across this week was in relation to our conversation about melt, about money, energy, labor and transportation all going in, rising cost of those, and I\u0026#39;ve been thinking about money, like access to money, and I\u0026#39;m seeing there\u0026#39;s more and more versions of intelligent money coming, you know being the thing of empowering creators in a way, and I\u0026#39;ve looked at, I found out about a company called Indify which is taking a venture capital kind of approach to creators, musicians, particularly independent artists who are, you know, making music, and they\u0026#39;re partnering with them for, you know, 50% ownership of whatever comes out of what they\u0026#39;re they\u0026#39;re producing and it\u0026#39;s really, you know, they may not produce like, compared to the music label industry, the model where they would, you know, sign an artist and do a full album and all those things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e These are really but those are already existing. That was already existing. Yeah, yeah, here they\u0026#39;re here they\u0026#39;re doing music and musician futures. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, that\u0026#39;s exactly what it is and that\u0026#39;s a really interesting model, like typically they\u0026#39;re, you know, with a particular like a song, for instance, they may invest $30,000 to produce a single song and artists, but they\u0026#39;re showing that the you know, the typical return on, even like they\u0026#39;re not to be they\u0026#39;re not talking about hits, but things that they showed investments of their typical investment of $30,000 has returned $110,000 so far per one of those that they\u0026#39;ve done. Yeah, and they started in 2020, you know, so over that period of time, they\u0026#39;ve kind of tripled their investments and I thought, partner, you know that, that level of you know in the entrepreneurial world I don\u0026#39;t know whether that\u0026#39;s that you know the rising cost or you know the that, the diminishing supply of capital. I don\u0026#39;t know whether there\u0026#39;s different rules for Plotlandia and creative things as opposed to. You know large scale, physical capital. You know capital, physical world. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, my sense of that is that the smart investors whether it\u0026#39;s in the mainland or whether it\u0026#39;s in Plotlandia are the same person. They\u0026#39;re the same, and my feeling is that the smartest investors invest on people. They don\u0026#39;t invest on things. They don\u0026#39;t really invest on things, and so my sense is that the example you just gave this person has proven in the past that they\u0026#39;re actually creative. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And they always seem to be coming up. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e they always seem to be coming up with new things, and some of them have monetized and some of them haven\u0026#39;t monetized. So that\u0026#39;s the guess. And that\u0026#39;s the bet you know. In other words, I\u0026#39;m guessing that you\u0026#39;re going to. You already come up with something in the past that turned out to be money making. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m betting I\u0026#39;m just going to bet on you as a creator, that you\u0026#39;re going to come up with some good stuff that properly captured, properly packaged and properly distributed is going to be money making. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Would you say I agree. I mean, do you think you\u0026#39;re kind of heading back to the patron days? Oh yeah. Yeah in a way, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, totally, totally. I mean entrepreneurs are you and I and all the folks that we hang out with are we\u0026#39;re self patrons? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The difference between an entrepreneur and non entrepreneurs and individual who\u0026#39;s betting on himself as the future. Well, you did that a long time ago and you know, and I did it a long time ago, and so that\u0026#39;s why I\u0026#39;m not taken by things. You know, I\u0026#39;m not really taken by things. You know, betting on things like I\u0026#39;ve talked about a product or a tech. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI\u0026#39;m not betting on that I\u0026#39;m betting on the thing possibly being a tool that some really smart human is going to maximize going to. You know it\u0026#39;s going to do something. And I was thinking about that with Elon Musk, because there\u0026#39;s no reason for his valuations related to Tesla. You know, if you took the normal valuations of a car company, the number of cars you got, the distribution system, you got his the Tesla doesn\u0026#39;t make sense. The valuation that he has for Tesla makes no sense whatsoever. By right, historic automobile standards, right, and somebody was saying that they you know this is, you know this is, you know this is a scam. I said you\u0026#39;re missing the point here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey\u0026#39;re not betting on the Tesla car. They\u0026#39;re betting on Elon Musk coming up with always new things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That is true, and he, yeah, he\u0026#39;s, yeah, he\u0026#39;s come up with quite a few. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and I think Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs was on that track, but he died he, you know he died, I mean because, really, if you take a look at Apple\u0026#39;s extraordinary, it\u0026#39;s stuff that all goes back to Steve Jobs. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And, and I mean not a big thing since, not a really big thing since 2008. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, since the iPhone, right. I mean, that\u0026#39;s really the iPhone yeah. Yeah, that decade of, you know, 90 2008,. That\u0026#39;s really that\u0026#39;s where everything happened. I think was. I think about it. Yeah, we talked about it in our analysis of the last 28 years. That none of it. You know Apple was close to bankruptcy, that they were in trouble 28 years ago he had to borrow from Bill Gates. Yeah, exactly, and that\u0026#39;s you know, that\u0026#39;s kind of. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s pretty amazing right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e When you think about everything that\u0026#39;s turned around since then, and thinking about even Jeff Bezos, who you know, who knew. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, and you know, and so so the the thing about betting, but I always bet on people. You know, my whole approach is that this is a person you know who proven track record and part of it is that they not do what they\u0026#39;re doing. You know, one of my views is that I look at somebody who cannot do the thing that seems to be most valuable, and and so I don\u0026#39;t have to worry what they\u0026#39;re doing when I don\u0026#39;t see them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, what\u0026#39;s he? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e doing? What\u0026#39;s? What\u0026#39;s he doing today? I know exactly what he\u0026#39;s doing today. He\u0026#39;s doing what I bet on. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e He\u0026#39;s doing what I bet on him doing, you know and you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So it\u0026#39;s a very interesting thing. So, but I think I was going back because we had this conversation. I said, you know, if I go back because I\u0026#39;ve really been an entrepreneur since really the beginning of the microchip age in the 70s. They started using the word microchip, I think early 70s, but I read about it in 73 and I started my company in 74 1974. So 50 years next year. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I would say that the microchip itself is one of the real breakthroughs. And then the ability for there to be such thing as a personal computer, which came up within the first 10 years of the microchip and then graphic user interface, which made the personal computer available to everybody, okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then the internet, probably software somewhere in there, the whole notion of software, that it didn\u0026#39;t have to be hardware. Usefulness of the computer did not have to be hardware, it could just be a program. And then I would say the internet, and then the iPhone, and now artificial intelligence. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, artificial intelligence that, I think what\u0026#39;s happening there is. Nobody could really have predicted. I mean maybe people who knew were predicting, but I don\u0026#39;t think people really had a sense of what was really possible with this until now, and I think as a species right now, we\u0026#39;re clueless about where this is going. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I said you know. I said you can say anything you want about where it\u0026#39;s going and probably you\u0026#39;ll be right, but there\u0026#39;s going to be a million other things happening to that. Nobody could have predicted. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean it\u0026#39;s really. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean where are you crossing into this world? I mean, what are you do? We have three or four projects. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We have three or four projects going that I\u0026#39;m involved in the company and so where are you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m at the experiment when are you experimenting? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I\u0026#39;m experimenting in the personal side, like my personal experience with it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe\u0026#39;re not using it as it\u0026#39;s not integrated in any way into my company that you\u0026#39;re you know our stuff yet, but I can see that it could be. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean, I looked at, you know, one of the things that we do we have a subscription for. We have two different versions one for realtors, one for financial advisors of a postcard newsletter called the world\u0026#39;s most interesting postcard, and it\u0026#39;s essentially a carrier for referral programming that you as a realtor or a financial advisor would send to your top 150 relationships so that you are programming them to notice conversations about real estate, to think about you and to introduce you to the person that they had the conversation with. And it\u0026#39;s been, you know, a phenomenal game changer for the amount of referrals that people get, measured as a, you know, return on relationship, the percentage of repeated referral business you get from your top 150 relationships. And so I had four years we\u0026#39;ve been doing it for 12 years now a monthly postcard where we have someone research and put together there might be 16, you know just short, interesting facts that you put on the front of the postcard and it\u0026#39;s got a nice design and so it\u0026#39;s easy to read. It\u0026#39;s kind of just like you know interesting things and the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI started thinking about, well, if I did what, if I did one specifically for for financial advisors, that all the facts and stuff are money related. And I just asked chat GPT one day. I said can you write to you know 10 short interesting facts about the history of money? And it started writing the things. And then I asked it to you know, make it a little more interesting things. And it, you know, put it on. That said you can be 20 more. And it was like boom, all interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, absolutely. I said yeah, and you\u0026#39;re, you\u0026#39;re, you\u0026#39;re designing, though, as you go along, there\u0026#39;s probably an interactive thing going on between yeah, right, I\u0026#39;m just directing, you know, there\u0026#39;s two. Ai\u0026#39;s AI breakthroughs consist of two AI\u0026#39;s. You know the first AI is artificial intelligence. The second one\u0026#39;s called the actual intelligence. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, exactly so. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m bringing the actual intelligence. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah, I said it was so funny, Dan, because I said to it well, these are great. How many do you think you could? Well, I can make an infinite number of these. How many would you like? And it was just so funny that I ended up with like 50 of these you know, and just instantly done and I thought you know that\u0026#39;s a really interesting thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAgain, those are, you know it\u0026#39;s content related. I came, I had this idea of you know I think there are 400 and something cognitive biases that are, and I just started. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e How many of you mastered it Right, exactly, and you know it\u0026#39;s an interesting thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I said can you make a three minute video script describing confirmation bias, the facts about what it is and how it might be, how it might be deployed or come into play and how to defend against it? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd it wrote this amazing, like just you know, intro this, then scene of this and then this, and narrator says that there\u0026#39;s the script, you know, and it was just. I mean, when you look at the putting together of the different things, I saw this I saw someone do a demonstration of you know, having it write some. It was writing ads, video ads for something, and it they had gone to one of the gone to 11 labs. I think is a place where you train your voice. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo it\u0026#39;s got your voice. And then it went to another place that had your digital, you know avatar, you know from video of you, and Then it combined this AI written script with your voice through your face on your avatar on video and it\u0026#39;s instantly translated into any Language where your mouth moves and your mouth is saying the words in Japanese or German or French or whatever, and I just Just such a like you can see. That\u0026#39;s a you know, the distribution of Content like that, you know, is amazing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut then it\u0026#39;s still so that\u0026#39;s everything I\u0026#39;ve seen has been content related, you know, kind of yeah, creation and as a multiplier for content creation. But then the bigger you know we\u0026#39;ve had the conversation that, the bigger you know. Picture of that is that our brains we still can\u0026#39;t consume At any more than the speed of reality, which is 60 minutes per hour right, it takes us. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and the other thing is that we can only think about one thing at a time, you know. I mean, we can\u0026#39;t think two things at the same time. Humans just can\u0026#39;t do this, and you know, and as you say, it\u0026#39;s reality, world, time-based. Yeah, you know, and really the successful people have learned firsthand just what can get begin gotten done in an hour a day, and and then also it\u0026#39;s developed a sense of discernment about just what\u0026#39;s worth Having your mind on for an hour for a whole day and you know, and that you know, and I\u0026#39;ve dropped, I\u0026#39;m noticing I\u0026#39;m shedding all sorts of things as I Approach 80. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eJust I dropped televisions. I\u0026#39;m in my sixth year now dropping television and and people say, but you\u0026#39;re a big sports fan. And I said, oh, I\u0026#39;ve got a trick. I said I wait till the game. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI I\u0026#39;ve got. I wait till the game, as though I\u0026#39;ll use Cleveland Brown says an example and I just checked. I checked the score. You know the scores are in now. It\u0026#39;s some beyond game time. Did they win or lose? Well, if they lost, I\u0026#39;m not interested. If they won, then they have a ten minute video of the highlights and that\u0026#39;s my game. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know and. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I know they\u0026#39;ve won and then I just get a chance to see how they won. Okay, if they lose, I don\u0026#39;t watch it, because I, because that doesn\u0026#39;t do me any good, doesn\u0026#39;t do me any. I\u0026#39;m already disappointed they lost. Why would I pile on and People said, yeah, but you\u0026#39;re? Missing all the excitement of the game and I said, I said yes. I said I want to be excited about other things. I don\u0026#39;t want to be excited about young people who are one-third of my age. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI did coming through for me or not coming through for me? I want to see the final result. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve been contemplating Dan because, I I find that embarrassingly, much of my time is screen-sucking. You know, as our friend, there\u0026#39;s a lot of, there\u0026#39;s a lot of screen-sucking and I would count television and YouTube and tiktok and Facebook and Anytime my eyeballs are sucking dopamine in through my screen as that time. And I\u0026#39;ve been experimenting with, you know, disconnecting from the the dopamine device you know, and so this morning was one of those times. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI\u0026#39;m trying to get to a point where I can get as far into my day without having any, you know, digital input, and I think that there\u0026#39;s a real Face that I could go, you know, all the way till noon with no Contact with the outside world and that, I think, would be a better thing for me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut it\u0026#39;s amazing how your body like I went over to the cafe this morning to get some, get a coffee and just sit outside and you know, I didn\u0026#39;t take my phone, I woke up, I still wake up in the you know the first thing. You know, I checked my phone or whatever. I left it here and I went to the, the cafe and it\u0026#39;s amazing how your brain is Like saying you know, wait a second, what if anything? What if you? What? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e if you break down. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e What if you\u0026#39;re Get an accident or you need to call somebody here? What? What about that? And then I realized I don\u0026#39;t know a single person\u0026#39;s phone number. I don\u0026#39;t know what single phone number except my office, you know, and not there\u0026#39;s nobody there, but that\u0026#39;s. It\u0026#39;s very funny to me, that\u0026#39;s where your mind goes. And then I had that. I took real money Because normally I use my Apple pay on my phone to pay for it, and so I had real paper money with me and it was just. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt was so Interesting to sit at the cafe and just watch everybody you know, all you know, even together screen sucking the whole time and I\u0026#39;ve been experimenting like how much can I Disconnect from that in a proactive way? Right, like well, it\u0026#39;s interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s interesting because in the year you\u0026#39;re applying the concept of intermittent fasting. Yeah, exactly that, yeah, you\u0026#39;re going to. You know I\u0026#39;m going to spend three hours or four hours where I fast, you know yeah. Because your brain will find something to do if you\u0026#39;re not right now yes autophagy Remember this is something interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I was really going as far as, like, how far down can I go with this? Right, like what would I truly be missing? As I do, I use my phone all the time for everything. I mean texting, email, ordering food, you know all of the stuff. Entertainment Talking and I was. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI remember there was a show about the royalty I think it was called the crown, and or maybe it was a movie about the Queen, but I remember this was struck me as very like a very interesting is that every day at a certain time 5 pm Maybe, or noon or sometime they would bring the Queen a red box. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOh yeah, box was everything that she needed for the day, everything that needed her attention kind of thing, and I thought how neat would that be. What would be interesting if I could, at 5 pm Every day, get a box that has Every thing that I need, like any emails that have come in, any texts that have come in, any you know articles of interest. That would be. You know, something that I would need and I\u0026#39;ve wondered about that getting rid of. Like you know, I check on that judge report and you know I the news, like seeing different things that are going on in the world and I thought to myself I wonder what happened if I went to, like you know, paper subscriptions to Newsweek Time magazine and the Wall Street Journal as the my Well they\u0026#39;re. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve gone beyond that because I used to get five papers a day. Yeah, you got two to Toronto papers. I got the, I got the Wall Street Journal, I got New York Times and. National Post well, national Post was globe in the post for the two. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Toronto papers, and then the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times, and the fifth one was business, business and best investors daily. Yeah, right, yeah, investors, business daily, and. But I began to realize that I all those papers. The only thing I was really interested in was the opinion section. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, where the? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e people wrote Oversight articles, in other words they were looking at a something and they were writing that. And then you know politics I began to notice that in the Newspaper world they were making most of their money after a while on subscriptions because the advertising dollars were being taken away by Facebook and Google and yeah, and they had to go to digital versions on a subscription basis. And what that did is that it polarized the media in the sense that, for example, the Wall Street Journal I Would say 80 to 90 percent of its subscription probably is Center or center right on the political spectrum. There\u0026#39;s center right and the New. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYork Times is Barely center, mostly to the left, and I noticed that the Globe and Mail is now center to the left and the Globe and Mail or the post is still Still somewhat into the right. Into the right and the investors business daily only has opinions on Saturday. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know they only have a real commentary section. So, yes, okay. So when I began looking for, I said, well, still hit or miss, because there may be some good stuff or not good stuff. So I went to this aggregator which is called real clerk, comes up Chicago and all they do is aggregate Article headings and they\u0026#39;re almost all, they\u0026#39;re all commentary, okay. So every morning and six days a week they do an update at three o\u0026#39;clock in the afternoon. So you get up in the morning and they have that, and then at three o\u0026#39;clock in the afternoon they have an update. They don\u0026#39;t do this on Saturday. Okay, there\u0026#39;s one day when they don\u0026#39;t do it Right but then they have all sorts of real clear. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey have real clear politics, they have real clear policy. They have real clear market real clear world real clear defense, real clear energy, real clear health real clear science and those are more. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey\u0026#39;re picking up a periodicals rather than daily, and so I just get up in the morning and I look and I click on three or four of them and they come for the New York Times. It\u0026#39;s lucky if they get one every day. Some of them have paywalls so that when you go to their thing they\u0026#39;re saying well, you can read the article if you pay for a subscription, and that counts them out. You know, I\u0026#39;m not going to pay, I\u0026#39;m not going to sign up for a subscription to get one article, so right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo, yeah and so, so, anyway. So that\u0026#39;s what I\u0026#39;ve done. So and I\u0026#39;m down now to Babs gets the post because she likes knowing Toronto things, but I don\u0026#39;t bother looking at the, for the last two or three weeks they\u0026#39;ve had great articles. It\u0026#39;s mainly how our Prime Minister is going down the drain, which I always find comforting reading. And then the Israeli, the Israeli Amos situation and that\u0026#39;s been a great clarifier Boy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou really find out where people stand with this particular issue. That\u0026#39;s been a really great clarifier herself. Yeah, yeah, so anyway, but that\u0026#39;s how I handle it. I handle it. That\u0026#39;s my sort of my red box. Real clear, it\u0026#39;s my red box. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, that\u0026#39;s interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know what they do you know what they call that? The thing that the queen gets. I don\u0026#39;t know what they call it. They call it the red box. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s what I thought. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know that red box she gets every day. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know what they call it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They call it the red box. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That is so funny, but I thought about experimenting with that and getting a red box and the government has to prepare them for. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The Prime Minister\u0026#39;s office has to prepare that for her, exactly yeah. Yeah, because they\u0026#39;re both in town. Once a week, the Prime Minister has to come to the palace and deliver in person some of the crucial issues. This is not recorded. No one ever knows. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right A weekly audience with the queen Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and the king now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I guess I guess the king. Should we send the red box to the king? It\u0026#39;s kind of hard to say. It\u0026#39;s kind of hard to say it\u0026#39;s kind of hard to say king, I\u0026#39;d say king, you know because she was in for seven years or so. Yeah. There was a great play. Actually it was called the Interview. I saw it, and I saw it in London, right around the corner from the hotel. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Helen Merrin was the queen. Helen Merrin was the queen and that what they did is all the Prime Ministers that she\u0026#39;s had, starting with Winston Churchill, right up until last year. I guess there were a whole bunch of Prime Ministers over the last two or three years, so anyway, but she had just talked about. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt was all made up, because nobody really knows what\u0026#39;s that, but they just used topical issues of the time, and you know, and whether she got along with the Prime Ministers or not, or and everything else, and it was a very, just a really terrific, really terrific play. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I saw Napoleon on Thanksgiving Day. What did you think? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e What did you think? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I didn\u0026#39;t like it Did you see, it. I haven\u0026#39;t. It was as we like to say, dan. There was a lot of middle in that movie. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It was all middle it joined in progress and just never left the middle. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e There were only two scenes that were repeated six times. There was the drama in the palace and then there was battle scenes with horses and bayonets and cannons and on and on the same battle scenes, again and again, and then back to the palace and it was really. I didn\u0026#39;t enjoy it at all. I had no. It was my shortest movie review ever. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I just looked at the camera. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I shook my head and said nope, and then I hashtagged it nope, olean, yeah yeah yeah, and, but I have no real historical knowledge of, you know, of Napoleon but, I, did you know? The most interesting thing was at the end they did a summary of all the people that were lost in battles, like 6 million people in his period of being the king, he lost in battle. That was that\u0026#39;s crazy, you know. 6 million seemed like that seemed like a lot. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, we must use all of them up, because his final battle was 1815. That\u0026#39;s when Waterloo was you know the final battle, and then there was not a major European war until the beginning of the beginning of the First World War. So it was 99 years. So he must have used everybody up because it took a whole century to stack up again. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, and you know yeah, I mean a lot of American history, american history, really, you know, from the British fighting the French. You know that\u0026#39;s really where the American thing starts, it\u0026#39;s. I don\u0026#39;t know what they call it. You know they call it the Seven Years War here in Canada, but in the United States it was called the French and Indian War. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou, know, and this was 1817, 50s, 1763, Seven Years. But this is where all the American colonists got their military training, which they then used to good for self fighting the British. Oh wow, 1717. So George Washington was an American born. You know, they were all British. I mean, they were all British. Yeah, All the colonists were British. And then anyway, but that takes you right up until he. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI think Napoleon comes in around 1793 and he was in for 22 years, but he totally changed Europe. I mean, he was like a major earthquake that went right across the continent and that really changed things. You know, hitler, hitler was great. Hitler was a great admirer of Napoleon. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and that right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e He made, and he made the same mistake. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e He invaded. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Russia. Right right, right right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s yeah. So I\u0026#39;m going to save you from from that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, it\u0026#39;s not a it\u0026#39;s not a topic that I\u0026#39;m really interested in Right, I\u0026#39;ve never just talked about Napoleon, no. I just you know, but he, he not only was a significant military person, he was very significant politician. Because so that\u0026#39;s where we get the metric. Metric system is from Napoleon. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s right yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And they didn\u0026#39;t have any standard measurements in Europe. Okay, you know I mean the British had their own. But you know, the British is kind of a organic thing that\u0026#39;s developed over time, feet, inches, feet, yards and everything, and it\u0026#39;s the light and the lightfully accent and idiosyncratic. It\u0026#39;s eccentric and eccentric. The British are eccentric, you know, and he wanted this 100. Everything is, you know, and it took all the fun out of it, took all the fun out of measurement. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, you imagine. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e American, American baseball and metric, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e American football and metric. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. That\u0026#39;s even the Canadian football league uses yards and feet and you know everything like that, you know all the buddy, yeah, track and field they don\u0026#39;t, because that\u0026#39;s a more of a European thing. Yeah, yeah World stage. Anyway, well, it\u0026#39;s really interesting, but I\u0026#39;d like to pick up a little bit more on this couple of themes that we\u0026#39;ve developed over the last few talks, and one of them, and what I think, is that every human being is a confirmation bias. Okay, say more about that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWell, you\u0026#39;re biased according to the experience that\u0026#39;s proved useful or not useful. Okay, okay okay, so you\u0026#39;ve used a term you know to grade movies that are not worth seeing a lot of the middle. Okay, yeah, so there was a lot. I don\u0026#39;t remember if there was a beginning end or an ending end. It\u0026#39;s just battles and battles. Battles and battles, that\u0026#39;s right, and palace, yeah, but I think that really thing because I think that it\u0026#39;s impossible for human beings not to have a bias. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, I think, that\u0026#39;s absolutely I think as the smarter human beings know what their biases are and actually choose them, yeah, they actually choose them, yeah. And and you know, as it just strikes me that this whole notion of neutrality, that you can be unbiased is, I think it\u0026#39;s just silly, how could you? Possibly be unbiased. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, that\u0026#39;s right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e In the world, you wouldn\u0026#39;t survive. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, in the words of Milton Friedman. To fill down at you, where do you propose we find these angels to organize society without regards to personal interest or bias? I don\u0026#39;t even trust you to do that, phil. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve watched that about. I\u0026#39;ve watched that about 10 times. Yeah that\u0026#39;s such a great because you can just see that Phil down to who just has this sort of fluffy, waffly form of logic. You know, all basically emotion based you know emotion yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean, he didn\u0026#39;t have our perspective. New Prime Minister here is getting a lot of fights. When you finish here, go on Google and say Peter Polly of you know, you know how to spell it, don\u0026#39;t you? Yes, okay, takes down reporter. Just, he just took down a reporter and it was one of the most masterful takedowns of reporter ever, and he did it while chewing on Apple. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I love it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So he\u0026#39;s being interviewed, and he\u0026#39;s, and the person says, well, you know, you know, you\u0026#39;re taking a very ideological approach. He says ideological, what\u0026#39;s that? Well, what\u0026#39;s ideological? And the reporter says, well, you know, it\u0026#39;s more emotion based. And he says name a name, an example. Or name an example, well you know, and it gets round that he\u0026#39;s reproducing Donald Trump and you know that\u0026#39;s the ultimate killer, that\u0026#39;s the kill shots. You know you call somebody Donald Trump. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Is that right? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No. And he says well, a lot of the experts. And he says experts, name one expert and the reporter did not have a specific piece of information. That was all this fluffy narrative and you could just see the guy was flailing and meanwhile Pierre Polyov is just eating example, and he says do you have an actual point to this interview? And the guy. You could just see the guy. You know they didn\u0026#39;t show him in full, but I bet you know there was a puddle under his feet when he was finished. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat\u0026#39;s so funny, dan yeah yeah, and he\u0026#39;s just learned how to deal with this whole issue that they try to catch you on their words. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t even know what that word means. I mean, do you know what that word is? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You just used a word. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t know what that word is. And he says well, you know you\u0026#39;re doing left versus right. And he says name a time when I\u0026#39;ve actually said that. I\u0026#39;ve never said love first right. I don\u0026#39;t believe them. Left first right. So I believe in common sense and I\u0026#39;m kind of bored the side that has common sense, so you know we haven\u0026#39;t had any of. You just aren\u0026#39;t used to it because we haven\u0026#39;t had any common sense for the last eight years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo that\u0026#39;s not used to dealing with. So, anyway, and he\u0026#39;s I think he\u0026#39;s a phenomenal debater. You know because he\u0026#39;s been in, he\u0026#39;s 44 years old and he\u0026#39;s been in parliament for 19 years you know, he\u0026#39;s been there since he was 25. Wow, yeah, so, but it\u0026#39;s really interesting to watch it. You know, I mean, and I\u0026#39;m very biased towards his side of the political spectrum. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You have a cognitive bias around him. Is that what you said? I? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e have a total. I have a total cognitive bias. That\u0026#39;s funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I love it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, okay, so anyway, fascinating where this is going, but I think this AI thing is a much. What should I call it here? I think it\u0026#39;s a catalyst for a real mind change and how we think about everything. I think interacting with this technology is actually introducing us to how we actually think about things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think you\u0026#39;re right, because you have to bring that to it. Yeah, so you are, you\u0026#39;re off to Phoenix. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, we fly out on Tuesday and then we\u0026#39;re there until Saturday. I were there until Sunday morning because I can\u0026#39;t take more than two days of sitting in a room. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd so we\u0026#39;re off to Chicago and then we have a Chicago week. We have I just have one workshop, I have the free zone on Thursday, yeah, so so anyway, you know, yeah, it\u0026#39;s been a good year. It\u0026#39;s been actually it\u0026#39;s been a very sailing kind of year. I haven\u0026#39;t had any real time crunches or anything else. Great, that\u0026#39;s awesome. And so then we\u0026#39;re back, are you? And yeah, and so June 12th, june 18th, is our first free zone in Toronto. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, you\u0026#39;ve set the date already. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh great. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and now I\u0026#39;ll just forward to Tammy, who is the wizard mastermind of scheduling here, tammy Colville. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And I\u0026#39;ll just send. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ll just forward her announcement that just came through two days ago, so I\u0026#39;ll just yeah, and we\u0026#39;re doing it in. June. I mean, isn\u0026#39;t that nice starting it off in June. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I love that. I love that I do miss Toronto. Yeah, I love it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think, Toronto misses you, I think Toronto misses you. Oh, that\u0026#39;s so funny, I love it. Yeah, there\u0026#39;s no more table 10 anywhere. I haven\u0026#39;t found a table 10 anywhere. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We\u0026#39;re going to need a new. We\u0026#39;ll need a new venue. Oh well, we\u0026#39;ll go to the old bed We\u0026#39;ll go. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean less selected still there and they\u0026#39;re still good, so we\u0026#39;ll go. Okay Good, okay Perfect. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, dan, have a great trip Two weeks. We\u0026#39;ll be back. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m sorry. Two weeks, two weeks, okay, yeah, okay, okay, I\u0026#39;ll talk to you then. Thanks, okay, bye. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In today's Welcome to Cloudlandia episode, Dan shares his experience with stem cell treatments, from his different injections to increased energy and improved brain function. \r\n\r\nNext, we explore the fascinating realm of intelligent money exemplified by Indify and how it empowers creators by potentially disrupting the music industry through musicians' futures. \r\n\r\nLastly, we make a special announcement about our first Free Zone event in Toronto this June. Join us for insights on innovative concepts that can upgrade our lives.\r\n","date_published":"2024-01-05T10:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/e9ab21a0-b7a8-4d47-a532-1d1b69d74179.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":44208334,"duration_in_seconds":3681}]},{"id":"a35cfeeb-1917-4f4e-8598-328336f88802","title":"Ep112: The Hidden Links Between AI and Media Evolution","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/112","content_text":"In today's Welcome to Cloudlandia episode, we embark on an intriguing exploration of the realm of AI and technology. \n\nWe examine fascinating experiments involving text conversion to a unique speech structure that aligns with your heartbeat. \n\nLastly, we delve into discussions around marketing education and share snippets from our upcoming trip.\n\n\u0026amp;nbsp\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\nWe discuss the transformative impact of artificial intelligence on content creation, exploring how it's being utilized in Hollywood and our personal experiment of converting a book chapter into Iambic Contameter with the help of AI and a Shakespearean actor.\nDean highlights a fascinating experiment conducted in the Soviet Union where foxes were genetically modified into dogs, shedding light on the intriguing topic of canine intelligence and their comprehension of human language.\nDan and I delve into the evolution of television, discussing its early stages where it was used to re-enact radio shows, and its transition to the current landscape of diverse media platforms like Facebook.\nWe share insights on the challenges of implementing strategies in businesses and how we've addressed them in our own ventures, highlighting our successful thought leadership newsletter and real estate accelerator program.\nDan emphasizes the importance of normalizing new technological advancements in the realm of AI, arguing that the future doesn't arrive until we've normalized it.\nWe touch on the concept of hierarchy versus network in corporations and ponder on the potential obsolescence of middle management jobs due to AI advancements.\nWe discuss the role of AI in marketing strategy, underlining the significance of identifying high margin products and generating leads for potential customers.\nWe express concern over the current state of higher education and speculate on its potential crisis in the face of rising vocational training and AI.\nWe delve into the future of work and systems, discussing how AI is making certain jobs obsolete, particularly in the middle white-collar sector, and how it's affecting the education system.\nFinally, we briefly discuss our upcoming trip to Buenos Aires, sharing our excitement and some interesting facts about the time difference and geographical position of South America.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDan: Wow. \n\nDean: Mr Sullivan, wow, yes, Recorded entrance grad it's so good. We're living in increasingly turbulent times. \n\nDan: That's true, but I'll tell you what the great thing about it is. At this particular moment, at this particular outpost in the mainland, it's the absolute perfect temperature. The fourth season of the Valhalla, absolutely like room temperature, with a slight breeze, quiet, six, perfect. \n\nDean: Well, at our global domination compound in Toronto, we're having a perfect whole day. \n\nDan: A whole domination compound. That is true. \n\nDean: I don't want to own the whole thing, I don't want to own the whole world, I just want all the property next to mine. \n\nDan: I was excited about your idea of getting the house behind you to have that whole drive through, but they give it up on that. \n\nDean: That might bring the furies down on us. So far we've escaped scrutiny, anyway, yeah. Well, one thing that I thought would be interesting is kind of a Cloudlandia. It's that Taylor Swift's movie, her tour movie, has done, I think, worldwide with you, as down 150 million in two weeks and both weeks. \n\nDan: Yeah, she's only playing it Thursday to Sunday because she doesn't want kids neglecting homework, so she doesn't. You can't go see it on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. You can only go see it. \n\nDean: Well, I think she neglected hers and where she is Exactly, but I think she's alone Brilliant, I mean the fact that her tour alone. \n\nDan: Her live tour was one of the biggest tours ever. Now the recording of it. I think she's going to make another billion dollars with it. \n\nDean: Yeah, but the interesting thing about it is she bypassed Hollywood altogether which is the mainland, and they just wanted their 20% for being Hollywood, and she just bypassed it. And that comes right after the strike that shut everything down, for one of the griefs being, of course, being live streaming, the other one probably being the AI that's replacing a lot of the 80% work in Hollywood. In other words, first draft scripts and everything else can now get done with AI, and then you bring in the craftsman to actually, you know, take it the final 20%, yeah, and these are definitely. \n\nDan: I think that's a seed there, true. I think that's especially true, dan, for content. You know, let's call it streaming or television or documentary content, that is, book report content. That is like writing a. You know, if we were to do a documentary about the you know evolution of print starting with Putin or starting with the you know Chinese on papyrus, you know back in 1012 or whatever, A long time ago, that I think that that would be the kind of thing where AI would be able to write a script research, write a script. \n\nThat would be 80% of what you would need to do a compelling documentary about that, compared to the creative act of creating something new. You know, I don't know. \n\nDean: Yeah it's really interesting. On a previous episode I told you about the little experiment I'm doing with converting my chapters of this particular book. So this is my book number 36 and the 36th quarter, and it's called Everything, everyone and Everything Grows. That's the name of the book. \n\nIt's the backstage. It's the backstage description of strategic coach since 1989. We put our backstage together and as I was going through, I've been reading a lot of books on Shakespeare and there's something consciousness altering about the speech structure that they used. It wasn't just Shakespeare, it was of the time. It was, you know, around 1600 in Great Britain. It was called Iambic Contameter and it was 10 beats per line. \n\nOkay, and Mike Canig's, knowing that I'm interested in this, sent an article which has to do with they've scientifically proved that Iambic Contameter actually your heart, matches the beats. After you listen to a minute or two somebody doing Iambic Contameter, your heartbeat gets in sync with it. The 10 beats. \n\nDan: Is that right? \n\nDean: Yeah, because it's thumb, you know, and anyway. So I had. I've got a great team member by the name of Alex Barley, and Alex is from the UK, he lives in Toronto but he was actually born in Sherwood. Born and grew up in Sherwood Forest which is an interesting fact. Yeah, sherwood Forest is a big area and then among the trees there's seven little towns and he was born in one of the towns. \n\nDan: And his father actually has. \n\nDean: His father actually has a club that opened in 1604. \n\nDan: So and remember we have. We have someone in strategic culture. Does those forests getaways? \n\nDean: or has Gary Fletcher? He's in Friso. \n\nDan: He's actually yeah, yeah. \n\nDean: Yeah and anyway. So I had him take a chapter that was on unique ability and unique ability teamwork and I had him converted into Iambic Contameter. And it was startling to get it back, because all the ideas are there but the ideas are put together in a different way. And it was just. I just found it fascinating and I said, boy, if I had a really great Shakespearean actor, you know, somebody who could really speak the language and listen to it rather than just, yeah, reading it. \n\nSo I was talking to Alex about it and I said my favorite would be Richard Birkin, okay, and? And he said, see, I really wouldn't know how to do that. So we went to Mike Canix and Mike knew how to do it. And so Mike gave Alex a couple sites where you could go to and experiment with them. \n\nAnd about two days later from the time of my request to Alex, I got back Richard Burton. And it was Richard Burton, it was totally Richard Burton, and I've listened to it about 15, 15 times, and every time I listen to it it has a greater impact. And I played it for team members and the team members say, boy, I'd like to have that to listen to before I go to bed at night and everything like that. And so I asked him and did it. You know, when you first made the translation, in other words, you had the AI voice he says no, it was just, it was just sort of mechanical. And he says so what I did is I got actual recordings of Richard Burton and I would listen to it and then I would go through and I would change the timing, I would change. \n\nAnd he says I put in some breath intakes and he said I would you know? He says he rushes ahead, then he speeds up, and then he does it's very unpredictable with Richard Burton and he did this all. So it's actually AI times. The craftsman. \n\nDan: That's a. \n\nDean: B percent plus the human craftsman, you know, because a human ear, you know, just has infinitely greater sensitivity to how things actually work than they calculated. You know a mechanical thing and went to it. It went to deliver it evenly. \n\nDan: You know and. \n\nDean: Richard Burton in particular, has the way of making words explode just by saying the word and then he was kind of built a delivery to William Shatner in a way like different. Yeah but I had never put yeah, I'd never put William Shatner and Richard together in my brain, yeah but the interesting thing about it. The interesting thing about it was we've done two chapters now and you could see Alex is getting more inventive and you know, and he's really getting into the poetry and it's in rhyme. So with iambic pentameter. \n\nYou can have it as prose or you can have it as rhyme and. I said well, since we're going the route of Richard Burton, I should put it in. But I was struck because I'm only going to use this for backstage with coach. I'm only going to use this with, and the Baron of the Four Seasons, valhalla, I might talk to the warlord talk to the warlord there, I mean, because he's almost backstage, anyway, anyway, but it just does something. \n\nBut what I'm noticing is changing my writing style as I go forward, because I've got that voice in my ear and I'm writing that to sort of meet the voice halfway, you know halfway. \n\nDan: Oh, that's right. \n\nDean: Yeah that it's an easy pick up. I mean I can't talk like that, I don't sound like that and everything, but it's how I am doing. My writing has been changing as I've listened listening to Richard Burton telling me what it sounds like in Shakespeare's age. \n\nDan: This is. You know, a couple of things jump out at me. You know, as you're talking about that and Alex's joy in tinkering, and you know it's a creative act. Using these, using owning technology like a good dog yes, Right. That's really what he's doing there. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: And it reminded me of Peter Diamand is talking about these cent powers, the chess masters, paired with an AI that they can override or direct or run things by, or amplify their calculations or confirm their hunches. That's really the way forward, isn't it? It seems like that's the. \n\nDean: Well, what it suggests is that if you're a mechanical human being, this new form of mechanical will wipe you out, but if you decide to take refuge in being creative, they'll probably just offer you a deal. \n\nDan: Yeah, I mean it's interesting, what's there? There are a hybrid for this, like a creative machine or a. I mean there's something here, because even the AI is not doing it on its own. Some people are going to distance themselves. What we've seen mechanics do is distance themselves as a skilled operator of these new advantages. \n\nDean: Yeah, it's really interesting. There was an interesting lab test that was done in the Soviet Union before the collapse of the Soviet Union. It was that they wanted to see if they could turn a fox, turned foxes, into dogs. They could do it through basically two-year generations. In other words, a fox had two years old as a fully grown fox. \n\nSo you just have a two-year from birth to adulthood and they went through 10 generations where each generation they picked a fox that was more docile, it didn't have aggressive, it wasn't paranoid, it was sort of friendly and docile. And by the 10th generation, the genetic product GMO, had enormous number of dog characteristics. It was friendly, it would come up and it would take dog characteristics and they decided to put the dog fox or the fox dog and an actual dog and they chose I think it was a German shepherd, and they put it through a and this. \n\nThey had it in the puppy stage, so it was about six to eight months old, and they put it through an obstacle course that they was designed so that the animal couldn't solve it. They would hit a wall where they just couldn't solve it. \n\nAnd it was very interesting that the fox dog, when confronted with the final barrier, just curled up, went feral. He just went into a, wrapped himself up. He was just defeated and he wrapped up. The moment that the dog actually hit the thing he turned around and he searched out his owner and he says hey buddy, hey buddy, I need your help here. Okay, your turn, yeah. And they said they don't know if they can teach that, they don't know if they can. Actually they can genetically. \n\nDan: I was just writing. It's funny when you said that I was writing down nature versus nurture. But what was it that they change it genetically to modify it? But were they also? But they didn't, they couldn't Domesticated it. \n\nDean: They couldn't genetically reproduce the teamwork that's probably part of the inheritance of dogs. In other words, they trace it back 30,000 years since humans domesticated wolves to produce dogs, and that's a lot of generations of canines. \n\nAnd anyway, but it tells me kind of that's why I wrote the book Owning Technology Like a Great Dog is that we've got We've got this 30,000 year experience in the animal stew of kind of working out teamwork with dogs and certain breeds are better, certain breeds are good for this, certain breeds are good for that and we've kind of developed kind of a real deep knowledge. \n\nAnd they can do about 150 different tasks at this stage. Some of them can know as much as a thousand words. If you say a word, they know exactly what it refers to. It always refers to an object. It refers to an activity. They're not high on the concept level, I hope they have a good memory of. \n\nDan: Have you seen those? Yeah, and there's concepts of people setting up all these buttons on their floor that are labeled that a dog can push the yellow thing and it says a single word like walk, and so it knows to push that when it wants to go for a walk or a treat it can push treat, and I wondered about whether that, I mean it, seems real. So you're kind of confirming that they are able to build that kind of vocabulary. \n\nDean: Yeah, there was a professor in, I think, south Carolina. He was near retirement and he was a psychology professor and he just wanted to see how many words and he got sort of a border collie type. Border collies are just super smart and they're super responsive. And he got the dog to a thousand words of everyday objects. The dog you could. He knew all the dog's names, of all the dogs in the neighborhood, and the dog had a very definite opinion about each one of them. \n\nDan: So he said Max. \n\nDean: If he said Max, his tail would wag, and if he said Irving, it would just go. \n\nDan: Doesn't like Irving. \n\nDean: First of all, you know right off the bat that a dog gets named Irving. It probably has a difficult environment. Why would you do that? But Fred Feisman I don't know if you've ever met him. He's a coach client, probably 15 years. \n\nDan: He's in 10 times. \n\nDean: And he was a cowboy in British Columbia for 10 years. \n\nWhere every May he and another cowboy would take out 3,000 head of cattle and move them through elevations of pasture land. So in British Columbia you can have 4 levels of 4 levels, you know, geological levels, okay, and that would take them out to the high grazing area and then they would gradually bring them in. And so it was Fred. It was a partner and a dog. And I said if you had to lose one of them, the dog or the partner, which one, which one would you lose? He said lose the partner, just me and the dog could take care of all 3,000. \n\nBecause the dog always knew which steer was the lead steer and would get the lead steer. He also knew the route. He also knew the route and plus he checked for predators like wolves, coyotes, bears and everything else, and you know, would you apply? \n\nDan: Why are tigers? \n\nDean: and bears. Oh my yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: And so, but it was really interesting. He said a great trail dog is it's you know. He says you can't put a price on how good they are, but they're not doing anything more than they were taught. \n\nDan: Right, yeah, that's interesting. I just got my. I got a I bought with my copy of how they use technology like a good dog. I don't own technology like a good dog, so I'm looking forward to reading it. I mean, yeah, that's really about Gotten to dive in there. \n\nDean: Ownership. I mean, it's not a question of owning technology or owning your dog you actually own your rights, right, yeah, and you know, it's really about ownership more than it's about dogs or technology. \n\nYou know, but the big thing is that I think that in learning how to interact with AI, we're going to learn about learn a lot about what human intelligence actually is. I think we're going to learn more from this interaction than we've learned from all the psychological studies possible, because it's going to be interactive all the time against the best result, you know, and correspondingly, I mean we'll have more knowledge about it, but more knowledge about us will be built into the programming of the AI. \n\nDan: Have you seen anything recently that has wowed you or changed your opinion about the usefulness or the future of AI? Like this, like in terms of sounds, like your Richard Burton experience has shaped some new enthusiasm. \n\nDean: Well, what I get is that all the breakthroughs will be specific. It'll be individual and specific. So right now I don't know how many in the first two or three months, you know, plugged into chat, gpt, and then, of course, there's hundreds of other there's hundreds of others, specialized AI, and my sense is that it's transforming the world, but there would be no overview on how that's happening, because it's happening in a hundred million different situations in a different way. \n\nDan: So if anything so the ability to have an oversight or an overview of this, I think it was impossible on day one, yeah, and it reminded me of like, as I was kind of reflecting on it is I mean the use that I'm using of. \n\nDean: Who would think of that? And right, there wouldn't be anyone else, that would even well. If, why would you do that? And I said I found it kind of neat. \n\nDan: Yeah, you know I was looking at it, thinking back on like this, as one of the major things of the big change of 1975 to 2025 that. Ai as the platform. I don't know whether platform is the right word or what it is just like. Television was a. That was the big capability that was brought and started out with. You know, just the ability to, you know, have the three national channels and broadcast things. \n\nBut in the earliest stages of television, nobody really knew what to do with it in, in that they were just bringing radio to television. They were re-enacting, like turn the camera on and do radio theater. \n\nDean: Yeah yeah, I mean, I remember the 1950s sort of programs that were kind of dramatic and they'd have the opening of the curtain. They'd have the opening of the curtains, you know, and because they well, they're putting on a show. \n\nDan: So what do you do? \n\nDean: Well, you, but yeah, and. But here's the thing that the networks were still networks that were broadly shared, you know they were in competition with each other. But it was. You were on one network, you're on the network, I think, with you're on a billion different networks you know, and each of them each of the networks is being uniquely custom designed for particular purposes by particular people for you know, and everything like that, and my sense is the whole notion that there's going to be an overarching system like Facebook or something like that. \n\nI don't see that happening. \n\nDan: I mean. \n\nDean: I'm guessing embedding. And you know, I'm guessing embedding, just like everyone else. But I don't really care how other people are using it, I only care how I'm going to use it. \n\nDan: Yeah yeah, yeah, I think that's and you probably got. You've probably cornered the market on turning thinking tools into Richard Burton. Readings of Iambic pentameter. \n\nDean: Yeah, you know, I want to see if anybody's trailing me, and I haven't picked up on anything so far. \n\nDan: It's a blue ocean strategy. \n\nDean: Yeah, the other one we're doing. I don't know if you know Joe Stolti. He's. Joe is the runner of the. You know, the AI newsletter that Evan Pagan and Peter Diamand. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Joe 100K yeah. Yeah. \n\nDean: So I met, I met Joe at 100K and he just said what it will do, and so we've been going. Now I think we've got 12 episodes out and they do an interview with you online. You know thought leadership, other people you like, articles you like and everything else. And then they keep fine tuning what it is that you really want. But our last we've had in the last seven episodes we've had five of them with more than an 80% open rate for the entire issue. \n\nAnd then, and we had one I had one interview. It was a podcast interview with Mike Canix. We got a 95% open rate. Okay. \n\nDan: That's wild. \n\nDean: And it takes no work on our part. It creates the issue you know, so it gives you the results from your previous issue and then it shows you what the next issue is, based on the rates of the last issue. But, you're learning a lot about what we're learning a lot about what people really like listening to and what they like. You know, so it's an interesting thing. \n\nDan: And he's great to work with. \n\nDean: I really like him and his team. So yeah, it's called dailycom, I think it's called dailycom. Okay, yeah, it's great, yeah, it's great, and I mean we'll put out probably. \n\nDan: Well, you like the idea of not having to do anything. That's happening. That's pretty good Well it's all existing creativity. \n\nDean: A lot of it is existing articles that's existing. So we're repurposing I mean, we're getting a repurpose out of existing articles and all the content is original content. \n\nDan: You know I love that I'm just realizing that's for guessing and betting people's fondness for things that do the things they would like to do, especially if it's things that they would do if they could count on them to do it. You know, that's kind of a there's a good thing there. We recently in my Go agent world here our realtor we've launched the new real estate accelerator program. Where we're actually doing it's a who, not how, model of implementing the listing agent lifestyle elements in someone's business. So I've created that framework of the you know core five things that people you know the bankable results that they can get referrals and multiply their listings, get convert leads, find buyers, get listing. Those things I've got you know core programs and shortcuts and programs for them to do them. \n\nI was having in conversation with Diane, the who kind of runs that division with me, she I was saying you know, what we've been doing is we've been selling gym memberships essentially to Go agent, where we've got all of the stuff, all the tools, all the IP, everything you need to implement it, and you just come on in and access it and do what you do what you want, and we observe that very few people you know actually do the stuff that we know, this is the secret sauce of gym memberships 40% never go up. \n\nThey pay for the whole year and never show up once. \n\nThat's exactly so. We're running that same model and for someone you know, I like to see people get the results, you know. And so I've been doing these you know workshops where I thought, okay, we'll do these implementation workshops where we'll spend you know five weeks and we'll do a weekly session on each of the things as like a booster to get you focused on here's what to do, kind of thing. And I observed we've done that for a year and realized that improves the, that improves the implementation, but still overwhelmingly people are not able to rally themselves to do the things that they know to do. And so we decided, well, what if we just did it for them? \n\nAnd I recorded a video. I said you know? I said you know, I realized that I would be a really great real estate VA if I came to work for you and did all the things that I know in your business. And I said I know how to. I've been spending 35 years putting all of these pieces together and I know exactly what to do. And I went through and I outlined here's what I would do if I came into your business, because I realized that really we could implement all of it in somebody's business with one synchronous 30 minute, you know, check in at a fixed time with somebody that would then see, you know, three to five hours of implementation in a week, kind of thing for it and I was sharing it that it's like having a personal trainer instead of just a gym membership. You're meeting a personal trainer at the gym and the difference is that we're going to do the six, the sit ups, and you're going to get the six pack. \n\nThat's really how the difference and every single person I've talked to, dan is on board with this, because of course you're selling the reward. We do the sit ups, you get the six pack. \n\nDean: Yeah, you're selling the. You're selling the impact without the effort. \n\nDan: Exactly right. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, yeah but you know there's still. I bet, if you work out your percentages, even that people won't go for. You know, because they have an escape from fantasy land about who they are and what they want to achieve. You know, one of the things that Peter Diamanas has the sixties regarding the digital revolution you know digitize the deceptive, the demonetization, dematerialization. There's democratization yeah, yeah well as the sixth one, I'm saying yeah, it's democratization in that the possibility as democratic, the utilization follows the same as anything that 10% will outdo 90%. \n\nDan: Yeah, I think that's true. You know there's so many everybody. That's a really interesting thing that there's just like in truth. You know, in political democracy there's opportunity, but not everybody takes advantage of it. Everybody has the opportunity to have a YouTube channel and reach the entire world, but there's only one, mr B. \n\nDean: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and you know, he's number two in the YouTube world. I think there's somebody who's got more. I don't know who it is, but he's got the last one. I heard 201 million subscribers, followers 201 million. \n\nDan: Yeah, I think he's the number one individual. I think, yeah, yeah. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah. Well, it's very interesting. You know the good for a young guy. You know, yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah, you know he's got a future, this guy. He's going places, you know you can tell him almost right away. He can tell him almost. \n\nyou just get a feel Anyway the but the thing that I'm talking about, you know, I mean, the thing that I'm feeling is that I had a line one day. Peter Diamonis and I were going back and forth and he was talking about the future this, the future that, and I said you know what I've noticed about the future? When you get there, it feels normal. \n\nDan: Yes. \n\nDean: Huh, as a matter of fact, it doesn't arrive until you've normalized it. \n\nDan: Yeah, can you say more about that, because that led you to that Well we don't like abnormal. \n\nDean: Humans don't like abnormal. They like normal. Okay, and if you're asking them to do something new, that's different. \n\nUh you have to show them how to go through a normalization process where they get used to it. You know they get used to it and that's why I've been noticing that tech. Every company right now has to appoint a chief AI officer. A chief AI officer Ooh Dean, where would this person be? You know, I mean, where would this person? I mean, I mean, do you even have room or space for a chief AI officer? Okay, and I said no. I said why don't you just bring in somebody smart who shows your entire team how they particularly, and what they're doing can do this or that or this and this and let them lose, you know, and see what comes out of it and see what comes out of it? \n\nAnd why don't you just have self-empowered you know, self-empowered team members, you know in person or virtual, you know, or remote, and just have them say, you know is, where could, what's the 20% that if you could get rid of it, which is it still needs to get done, what would it be? And then say, well, there's an AI program that can do this, or is an AI program do this. They get that 20% done. They say, well, what's the next 20%? And just keep them going for 50 years. \n\nDan: Yeah, and that's what. That's the approach. \n\nDean: We don't have a chief AI officer. First of all, we don't have anyone who's called chief and we don't have anyone who's called officer, because that sounds like had chief officer, you know, I think the Gestapo had chief something officer, you know, you know, and everything. I don't like cheap something officer, I just don't like the sound of it. \n\nDan: That's not good for anybody. \n\nDean: Oh, you know, right off the bat I get the willies. \n\nDan: That's funny. Yeah, let's say so. How? What are you doing in that, then? Do you have someone whose role is helping the team become a no, we brought in Evan Ryan. \n\nDean: He did a six module course how to think it through and then he's off and running, you know, and he checks in and you know with the latest stuff of if they're doing this and they can look at that. So we have. You know, we have a already operating system in the company that's called unique ability teamwork. \n\nYou know, everybody's in their unique ability and everybody's doing a different aspect of necessary activity in the company and they're all coordinating with each other. So it's virtually impossible for us to have a chief something officer, because that's not the way the company works. \n\nDan: Right, not a hierarchy. \n\nDean: It's not a hierarchy, it's a network. \n\nDan: Yeah, that's interesting, I mean. \n\nDean: I'm not even. I'm not even chief. It's just that Dan has certain unique abilities. He's really good at coming up with new stuff. So where do you get, you know, any, especially new stuff that's offered to the public and we get paid for it, you know. Right so you know, you know, I'm not a boss in any meaningful way, except I'm the one to define what the next projects are. \n\nYeah, but oh hefe Right, yeah, I think corporations are going to have real hard time with this. I think anything that's a hierarchy and because there's one person at the top and there's a lot of middle people down to the bottom and I get a sense it's useful at the very top and it's used at the very, but in the middle I think all those jobs are fair game to get rid of. \n\nDan: Have you been following Salim? Well, not new, but kind of expansion on the exponential organizations, like you're seeing. \n\nDean: Yeah, I spent two days with him and you know, 100K? Yeah, because we were out to dinner on Friday night and we were sitting together and talking about it. But you know, the model is from my standpoint. It's a big organization model. It's not really. I mean because you got about 13 things that you have to check off and you and I personally are done after three. \n\nDan: Right, yeah, it requires somebody who's like it almost feels like just achieve an exponential. That's what I was just going to say. Yeah, yeah it almost needs to be, I mean. \n\nDean: I like Salim's a great guy to talk to. Yeah great thing. But I think he gets the big bucks from the big corporations. I don't think he gets the. You know he doesn't get the money like we get the money at the, not from entrepreneurs right, we're street level. \n\nDan: We're street level. Men are the people really? Yeah, we're house lawyers. Oh, my goodness, it's so fun again. You know I get such joy out of that. You know, like the I've been. You know I go to a cafe here called Honeycomb Bread Bakers and they you know one of you learn the crowd and the people there was. There used to be a coffee shop called N plus, one which was the yeah yeah, so I would go there all the time and N plus, that was pre COVID, wasn't it? \n\nDean: That was pre COVID. \n\nDan: And yeah, and during COVID. \n\nDean: Yeah, let's say kind of hit the wall during. \n\nDan: They didn't really recover from that in terms of it being a profitable business. They were attached to their bike shop, which was the main, and the idea is invite. Yeah, the idea was N plus one is the equation, for you know how many coffees should you have, which is N equal the number of coffees you've had today Plus one. That's how many. \n\nDean: And so I got to know the owner, Peter Zion, was saying that when you lived on a farm you had as many children as you could plus one. And somebody asked him well, what's the plus one for? To know that you've had too many. Same thing with coffee, I think. \n\nDan: You know, the fun thing is that riding a bicycle is a decidedly mainland adventure and they serve an area and the 15 mile zone. What are you calling it? The bubble. \n\nDean: you know, and do they have like bike paths and everything? \n\nDan: Oh, there's like paths all over Winterhaven. Yeah, lots of great places. \n\nBut, so over coffee a couple of weeks ago he was asking for some marketing advice. Like think I mean to ramp things up. I went through this concept of you know the before, the during and the after unit and you know largest check and I could ask you know what's the best if I could just line people up the door right now? Who would you want? What would what's the highest margin thing? And it was eBikes is the thing. Yeah, I said so. \n\nI have a learning that I've had from working with a bathroom boutique client in Miami and I've learned from doing this that putting a catalog together is a really great lead generator. Right Objective data is all, rather than trying to convince people that they should buy a bike and put there because they were running ads that were like, hey, where's the bike shop? Here we are, we're in Winterhaven and you know bikes are great kind of thing. Getting their name out there and I shared with him the concept of and value of getting their name in here rather than getting your name out there. Let's get the names, let's gather the names of everybody who's interested in e-bikes and I proposed putting together this e-bike catalog with them, and so we did that. \n\nWe put that on my Facebook. I put up the ads forum and we're generating e-book our e-bike catalog downloads for $1.66 each. So he said to him like you put this in the thing it's like for let's just give some room for improvement for our cost of the ads to go up. But let's say that we can get 100 people to metaphorically raise their hand and say, hey, I'm interested in an e-bike for $150. We can get 100 of them to raise their hand and his average margin on an e-bike is around $600 to $700. And so it doesn't take many of those to engage with and them to buy a bike. \n\nIt's kind of funny. It's like that I still I get as much joy out of that as doing something with a big national company that's got. \n\nDean: I think the big thing that I'm getting and this is not going cloud landing discussion is you're growing understanding of exactly who you want to talk to and the continual evolution of people knowing exactly who they want to hear Actually, who they want to hear and that bypasses an incredible amount of bureaucracy, I mean if you think about the sheer amount of bureaucracy In my sense, is that the current extreme polarization in what's called polarization, political polarization and cultural polarization, is that I think that the probably three or four generations who took the root of high education, so in other words, starting in nursery school, they were competing to get into a great kindergarten and compete to get into a great primary school, to get into a great university, to get into a great high school which got you to the university and the graduate school, that they're imperiled. \n\nI think that they're imperiled. On the other hand, an 18 year old who, after graduation with no thought of university at all takes a 10 week welding certification course, is making anywhere between 60 and 100,000 at the end of the, and he's the buyer or she's the buyer. She's the buyer because and probably you know within 10 years they're making a million. They're making a million and they're bypassing the higher education. All because the higher education is about abstractions, but AI is about extreme specificity. \n\nIt's about extreme specificity and I think that a lot of the uprising on universities and the polarization and the cancel culture is they don't want to hear news about anything else except what they've been promised lies at the end of the rainbow the abstraction rainbow, and it's just a general unsettling. You know and and I mean think about it you were in school from four years old to, let's say, 26 years old and have run up. I mean it cost you an incredible amount if you could pay for it, or it cost you an incredible amount and you know loans and you're a quarter million, or 400, a quarter million, or you're $400,000 in debt when you graduate. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah. \n\nDean: And then you learn that there's a new technology that's just going to make everything you did for the last 22 years irrelevant, including you. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, right, right, right. \n\nDean: So my sense is that it's the middle white collar, you know the whole middle white collar, part of the economy that's going to get clobbered but not at the high end, where people are really creative, or at the end, where people are really handy. You know where people are really handy. \n\nDan: I think that they're completely safe, even things like you know legal associates, like people who are, you know, in big law firms. You know the first session year both the involved do, slaving away in the library looking up case law. \n\nDean: Yeah, or contract contract, you know, yeah, and I mean there's somebody that a test of a particular deed on a particular property in another state that required about inputs from about seven different things, which generally takes about three and a half to four weeks to get the whole three, and the AI program did it in like 15 minutes start to finish and it was completely accurate and I mean it was really really sort of had involved and it's blessed entry. \n\nDan: Very well. So what do these have? Like the Pretty amazing, isn't it? I mean well, like we're living in the future, it's we're normalizing that. \n\nDean: Well, we're normalizing it on an individual basis, we're not normalizing it on a group basis. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, I think that it's only the front runners you mean that are Seeing that? \n\nDean: no, it's just an alert, curious, responsive, resourceful individual who's got a particular thing in mind. And they found those new way of multiplying their Productivity, multiplying their profitability you know and you know. So yeah, but see, everybody I had, I was, we were in Chicago last week and we have a G, you know, in general practice she's an internist and she's our. Chicago doorway to any kind of specialty that we need, you know, specialty medicine. \n\nAnd she's going concierge November oh nice tonight and and Because we've been with her for about 15 years, you know and. I can tell that the weight of the Disease management Industry is weighing down on her. \n\nDan: We don't have a healthcare system. \n\nDean: What we have is a disease management. \n\nRight you know and and so, and I could tell she was lighter. I mean, she's had this light, energetic feel about her and welcome to the entrepreneurial world. You know, welcome. I said you get paid for what you ask. You know you get paid for what you asked. And she says well, you know, I'm really worried about the fact that the people who Don't have the access to you and I said you were worried about that before, I said 99.9% of you didn't have access to you you know, before this happened, including you didn't have access to you before this. Now you get access to you and I said that's the only change here. \n\nAnd I said there but You're going to get pickier and pickier about who gets to see you and everything. And I said it's just very natural. And she says yeah, but the whole system, I mean how? I said her name's on me and I said I mean there is no system, the biggest, there are 10 million systems and you're one of them. \n\nYou're a planet, planet, I said. The biggest fallacy is this is industrial thinking from 1900 to 1950, that there's a system, there is no system. You know, and I said there there are no systems, there's just. There's just connected local neighborhoods. \n\nDan: So you're what you're saying really reminds me of of Ray Dalio's you know understanding of the market and saying how you know the way we talk about the auto market, what that really is just an aggregate Construct of all the individual micro transactions. Oh yeah one person buying one car, and you're saying the same, that I feel that Same way that there's no system. The system is just made up, yeah, of this aggregate of the individual micro transactions between one person with Very precise medical needs, seeking them from one person. \n\nDean: Yeah. Yeah, yeah and the it's like climate. There is no climate people said yeah, and I said the climate is just a 360 day average of what the temperatures were. You know, yeah, and what the precipitation was and what the wind was, every day being entirely different from the other 364 and in order to get some sense of it. You call it, you average it and we got to have a name for that, so they call it climate. There is no climate, there's just a lot of temperature, right right right. \n\nThere's just a lot of weather. I've only experienced weather. I've never experienced climate. \n\nDan: Climate is this. \n\nDean: System weather is reality. Yeah, so I think the whole notion of systems, you know, you know, I mean there's some big tools which are being used in common, but you know, like, the dollar is the reserve currency rate you know, and and everything else, but everybody's using dollars differently. They're using dollars for different reasons. You know and, and or English, the English language, and there's no uniparty around the world. There's about a hundred different versions of English. You know because it's it's the one language that you can get along Extremely well-speaking, badly. \n\nDan: That's funny. Yeah, yeah, true, can't do that with can't do that with French. \n\nDean: I can tell you, you can't do that with French. Yeah, but that's the language of romance. Yeah, so why did you get out of this? I mean, we windered a bit today, which is our favorite activity Absolutely. \n\nDan: I think that's. I think that's fantastic. I haven't thought about the relationship between the system and the market in that parallel way that Ray Dalio and I think that really, you know it does come down to you know, being able that's really what it is being able to use whatever means to get an outcome for People. You know I'm bullish about the future here. \n\nDean: Yeah, now I'm just trying to think I can do it next week, because, no, I can't do it next week. I'm on my way to Nashville next week. So I but I can do it two weeks from now and I'll be in Buenos Aires, argentina. \n\nDan: Okay. I will be here and I will be anxious to hear about your Buenos Aires experience. Will you have had the experience? When we talk? \n\nDean: No, will you? \n\nDan: be there. \n\nDean: We got an overnight flight on Saturday Okay, weeks from now and and then it starts on Monday, so I'll this would be the. We're two hours ahead of you, so time-wise, buenos Aires is two hours ahead of where you are future and, yeah, all of South. Here's an interesting thing about you know where London Ontario is. Of course, because yeah lived halfway there. But anyway all of South America sits east of London, Ontario. Yeah wild right, you think it's underneath. \n\nNorth, I know it isn't it that goes way to the east? Actually, brazil is only a thousand miles from Africa. That's crazy. Yeah, two-hour flight from. Africa to Brazil. \n\nDan: Yeah anyway, well then, I will be here with bells on and I will look forward to it. \n\nDean: You know what? And we're both ten quick starts. We're both ADD. And that's a prescription. That's a prescription for no system. That's exactly right. \n\nDan: They're like holy so all right. Okay, two weeks for me. Okay, okay, bye, bye, bye you. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn today\u0026#39;s Welcome to Cloudlandia episode, we embark on an intriguing exploration of the realm of AI and technology. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe examine fascinating experiments involving text conversion to a unique speech structure that aligns with your heartbeat. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eLastly, we delve into discussions around marketing education and share snippets from our upcoming trip.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe discuss the transformative impact of artificial intelligence on content creation, exploring how it\u0026#39;s being utilized in Hollywood and our personal experiment of converting a book chapter into Iambic Contameter with the help of AI and a Shakespearean actor.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDean highlights a fascinating experiment conducted in the Soviet Union where foxes were genetically modified into dogs, shedding light on the intriguing topic of canine intelligence and their comprehension of human language.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDan and I delve into the evolution of television, discussing its early stages where it was used to re-enact radio shows, and its transition to the current landscape of diverse media platforms like Facebook.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe share insights on the challenges of implementing strategies in businesses and how we\u0026#39;ve addressed them in our own ventures, highlighting our successful thought leadership newsletter and real estate accelerator program.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDan emphasizes the importance of normalizing new technological advancements in the realm of AI, arguing that the future doesn\u0026#39;t arrive until we\u0026#39;ve normalized it.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe touch on the concept of hierarchy versus network in corporations and ponder on the potential obsolescence of middle management jobs due to AI advancements.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe discuss the role of AI in marketing strategy, underlining the significance of identifying high margin products and generating leads for potential customers.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe express concern over the current state of higher education and speculate on its potential crisis in the face of rising vocational training and AI.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe delve into the future of work and systems, discussing how AI is making certain jobs obsolete, particularly in the middle white-collar sector, and how it\u0026#39;s affecting the education system.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eFinally, we briefly discuss our upcoming trip to Buenos Aires, sharing our excitement and some interesting facts about the time difference and geographical position of South America.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Sullivan, wow, yes, Recorded entrance grad it\u0026#39;s so good. We\u0026#39;re living in increasingly turbulent times. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s true, but I\u0026#39;ll tell you what the great thing about it is. At this particular moment, at this particular outpost in the mainland, it\u0026#39;s the absolute perfect temperature. The fourth season of the Valhalla, absolutely like room temperature, with a slight breeze, quiet, six, perfect. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, at our global domination compound in Toronto, we\u0026#39;re having a perfect whole day. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e A whole domination compound. That is true. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t want to own the whole thing, I don\u0026#39;t want to own the whole world, I just want all the property next to mine. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I was excited about your idea of getting the house behind you to have that whole drive through, but they give it up on that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That might bring the furies down on us. So far we\u0026#39;ve escaped scrutiny, anyway, yeah. Well, one thing that I thought would be interesting is kind of a Cloudlandia. It\u0026#39;s that Taylor Swift\u0026#39;s movie, her tour movie, has done, I think, worldwide with you, as down 150 million in two weeks and both weeks. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, she\u0026#39;s only playing it Thursday to Sunday because she doesn\u0026#39;t want kids neglecting homework, so she doesn\u0026#39;t. You can\u0026#39;t go see it on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. You can only go see it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think she neglected hers and where she is Exactly, but I think she\u0026#39;s alone Brilliant, I mean the fact that her tour alone. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Her live tour was one of the biggest tours ever. Now the recording of it. I think she\u0026#39;s going to make another billion dollars with it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but the interesting thing about it is she bypassed Hollywood altogether which is the mainland, and they just wanted their 20% for being Hollywood, and she just bypassed it. And that comes right after the strike that shut everything down, for one of the griefs being, of course, being live streaming, the other one probably being the AI that\u0026#39;s replacing a lot of the 80% work in Hollywood. In other words, first draft scripts and everything else can now get done with AI, and then you bring in the craftsman to actually, you know, take it the final 20%, yeah, and these are definitely. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that\u0026#39;s a seed there, true. I think that\u0026#39;s especially true, dan, for content. You know, let\u0026#39;s call it streaming or television or documentary content, that is, book report content. That is like writing a. You know, if we were to do a documentary about the you know evolution of print starting with Putin or starting with the you know Chinese on papyrus, you know back in 1012 or whatever, A long time ago, that I think that that would be the kind of thing where AI would be able to write a script research, write a script. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat would be 80% of what you would need to do a compelling documentary about that, compared to the creative act of creating something new. You know, I don\u0026#39;t know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah it\u0026#39;s really interesting. On a previous episode I told you about the little experiment I\u0026#39;m doing with converting my chapters of this particular book. So this is my book number 36 and the 36th quarter, and it\u0026#39;s called Everything, everyone and Everything Grows. That\u0026#39;s the name of the book. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s the backstage. It\u0026#39;s the backstage description of strategic coach since 1989. We put our backstage together and as I was going through, I\u0026#39;ve been reading a lot of books on Shakespeare and there\u0026#39;s something consciousness altering about the speech structure that they used. It wasn\u0026#39;t just Shakespeare, it was of the time. It was, you know, around 1600 in Great Britain. It was called Iambic Contameter and it was 10 beats per line. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOkay, and Mike Canig\u0026#39;s, knowing that I\u0026#39;m interested in this, sent an article which has to do with they\u0026#39;ve scientifically proved that Iambic Contameter actually your heart, matches the beats. After you listen to a minute or two somebody doing Iambic Contameter, your heartbeat gets in sync with it. The 10 beats. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Is that right? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, because it\u0026#39;s thumb, you know, and anyway. So I had. I\u0026#39;ve got a great team member by the name of Alex Barley, and Alex is from the UK, he lives in Toronto but he was actually born in Sherwood. Born and grew up in Sherwood Forest which is an interesting fact. Yeah, sherwood Forest is a big area and then among the trees there\u0026#39;s seven little towns and he was born in one of the towns. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And his father actually has. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e His father actually has a club that opened in 1604. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So and remember we have. We have someone in strategic culture. Does those forests getaways? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e or has Gary Fletcher? He\u0026#39;s in Friso. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e He\u0026#39;s actually yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah and anyway. So I had him take a chapter that was on unique ability and unique ability teamwork and I had him converted into Iambic Contameter. And it was startling to get it back, because all the ideas are there but the ideas are put together in a different way. And it was just. I just found it fascinating and I said, boy, if I had a really great Shakespearean actor, you know, somebody who could really speak the language and listen to it rather than just, yeah, reading it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo I was talking to Alex about it and I said my favorite would be Richard Birkin, okay, and? And he said, see, I really wouldn\u0026#39;t know how to do that. So we went to Mike Canix and Mike knew how to do it. And so Mike gave Alex a couple sites where you could go to and experiment with them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd about two days later from the time of my request to Alex, I got back Richard Burton. And it was Richard Burton, it was totally Richard Burton, and I\u0026#39;ve listened to it about 15, 15 times, and every time I listen to it it has a greater impact. And I played it for team members and the team members say, boy, I\u0026#39;d like to have that to listen to before I go to bed at night and everything like that. And so I asked him and did it. You know, when you first made the translation, in other words, you had the AI voice he says no, it was just, it was just sort of mechanical. And he says so what I did is I got actual recordings of Richard Burton and I would listen to it and then I would go through and I would change the timing, I would change. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd he says I put in some breath intakes and he said I would you know? He says he rushes ahead, then he speeds up, and then he does it\u0026#39;s very unpredictable with Richard Burton and he did this all. So it\u0026#39;s actually AI times. The craftsman. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s a. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e B percent plus the human craftsman, you know, because a human ear, you know, just has infinitely greater sensitivity to how things actually work than they calculated. You know a mechanical thing and went to it. It went to deliver it evenly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know and. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Richard Burton in particular, has the way of making words explode just by saying the word and then he was kind of built a delivery to William Shatner in a way like different. Yeah but I had never put yeah, I\u0026#39;d never put William Shatner and Richard together in my brain, yeah but the interesting thing about it. The interesting thing about it was we\u0026#39;ve done two chapters now and you could see Alex is getting more inventive and you know, and he\u0026#39;s really getting into the poetry and it\u0026#39;s in rhyme. So with iambic pentameter. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou can have it as prose or you can have it as rhyme and. I said well, since we\u0026#39;re going the route of Richard Burton, I should put it in. But I was struck because I\u0026#39;m only going to use this for backstage with coach. I\u0026#39;m only going to use this with, and the Baron of the Four Seasons, valhalla, I might talk to the warlord talk to the warlord there, I mean, because he\u0026#39;s almost backstage, anyway, anyway, but it just does something. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut what I\u0026#39;m noticing is changing my writing style as I go forward, because I\u0026#39;ve got that voice in my ear and I\u0026#39;m writing that to sort of meet the voice halfway, you know halfway. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, that\u0026#39;s right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah that it\u0026#39;s an easy pick up. I mean I can\u0026#39;t talk like that, I don\u0026#39;t sound like that and everything, but it\u0026#39;s how I am doing. My writing has been changing as I\u0026#39;ve listened listening to Richard Burton telling me what it sounds like in Shakespeare\u0026#39;s age. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e This is. You know, a couple of things jump out at me. You know, as you\u0026#39;re talking about that and Alex\u0026#39;s joy in tinkering, and you know it\u0026#39;s a creative act. Using these, using owning technology like a good dog yes, Right. That\u0026#39;s really what he\u0026#39;s doing there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And it reminded me of Peter Diamand is talking about these cent powers, the chess masters, paired with an AI that they can override or direct or run things by, or amplify their calculations or confirm their hunches. That\u0026#39;s really the way forward, isn\u0026#39;t it? It seems like that\u0026#39;s the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, what it suggests is that if you\u0026#39;re a mechanical human being, this new form of mechanical will wipe you out, but if you decide to take refuge in being creative, they\u0026#39;ll probably just offer you a deal. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean it\u0026#39;s interesting, what\u0026#39;s there? There are a hybrid for this, like a creative machine or a. I mean there\u0026#39;s something here, because even the AI is not doing it on its own. Some people are going to distance themselves. What we\u0026#39;ve seen mechanics do is distance themselves as a skilled operator of these new advantages. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s really interesting. There was an interesting lab test that was done in the Soviet Union before the collapse of the Soviet Union. It was that they wanted to see if they could turn a fox, turned foxes, into dogs. They could do it through basically two-year generations. In other words, a fox had two years old as a fully grown fox. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo you just have a two-year from birth to adulthood and they went through 10 generations where each generation they picked a fox that was more docile, it didn\u0026#39;t have aggressive, it wasn\u0026#39;t paranoid, it was sort of friendly and docile. And by the 10th generation, the genetic product GMO, had enormous number of dog characteristics. It was friendly, it would come up and it would take dog characteristics and they decided to put the dog fox or the fox dog and an actual dog and they chose I think it was a German shepherd, and they put it through a and this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey had it in the puppy stage, so it was about six to eight months old, and they put it through an obstacle course that they was designed so that the animal couldn\u0026#39;t solve it. They would hit a wall where they just couldn\u0026#39;t solve it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd it was very interesting that the fox dog, when confronted with the final barrier, just curled up, went feral. He just went into a, wrapped himself up. He was just defeated and he wrapped up. The moment that the dog actually hit the thing he turned around and he searched out his owner and he says hey buddy, hey buddy, I need your help here. Okay, your turn, yeah. And they said they don\u0026#39;t know if they can teach that, they don\u0026#39;t know if they can. Actually they can genetically. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I was just writing. It\u0026#39;s funny when you said that I was writing down nature versus nurture. But what was it that they change it genetically to modify it? But were they also? But they didn\u0026#39;t, they couldn\u0026#39;t Domesticated it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e They couldn\u0026#39;t genetically reproduce the teamwork that\u0026#39;s probably part of the inheritance of dogs. In other words, they trace it back 30,000 years since humans domesticated wolves to produce dogs, and that\u0026#39;s a lot of generations of canines. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd anyway, but it tells me kind of that\u0026#39;s why I wrote the book Owning Technology Like a Great Dog is that we\u0026#39;ve got We\u0026#39;ve got this 30,000 year experience in the animal stew of kind of working out teamwork with dogs and certain breeds are better, certain breeds are good for this, certain breeds are good for that and we\u0026#39;ve kind of developed kind of a real deep knowledge. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd they can do about 150 different tasks at this stage. Some of them can know as much as a thousand words. If you say a word, they know exactly what it refers to. It always refers to an object. It refers to an activity. They\u0026#39;re not high on the concept level, I hope they have a good memory of. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Have you seen those? Yeah, and there\u0026#39;s concepts of people setting up all these buttons on their floor that are labeled that a dog can push the yellow thing and it says a single word like walk, and so it knows to push that when it wants to go for a walk or a treat it can push treat, and I wondered about whether that, I mean it, seems real. So you\u0026#39;re kind of confirming that they are able to build that kind of vocabulary. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, there was a professor in, I think, south Carolina. He was near retirement and he was a psychology professor and he just wanted to see how many words and he got sort of a border collie type. Border collies are just super smart and they\u0026#39;re super responsive. And he got the dog to a thousand words of everyday objects. The dog you could. He knew all the dog\u0026#39;s names, of all the dogs in the neighborhood, and the dog had a very definite opinion about each one of them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So he said Max. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e If he said Max, his tail would wag, and if he said Irving, it would just go. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Doesn\u0026#39;t like Irving. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e First of all, you know right off the bat that a dog gets named Irving. It probably has a difficult environment. Why would you do that? But Fred Feisman I don\u0026#39;t know if you\u0026#39;ve ever met him. He\u0026#39;s a coach client, probably 15 years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e He\u0026#39;s in 10 times. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And he was a cowboy in British Columbia for 10 years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWhere every May he and another cowboy would take out 3,000 head of cattle and move them through elevations of pasture land. So in British Columbia you can have 4 levels of 4 levels, you know, geological levels, okay, and that would take them out to the high grazing area and then they would gradually bring them in. And so it was Fred. It was a partner and a dog. And I said if you had to lose one of them, the dog or the partner, which one, which one would you lose? He said lose the partner, just me and the dog could take care of all 3,000. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBecause the dog always knew which steer was the lead steer and would get the lead steer. He also knew the route. He also knew the route and plus he checked for predators like wolves, coyotes, bears and everything else, and you know, would you apply? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Why are tigers? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e and bears. Oh my yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And so, but it was really interesting. He said a great trail dog is it\u0026#39;s you know. He says you can\u0026#39;t put a price on how good they are, but they\u0026#39;re not doing anything more than they were taught. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, yeah, that\u0026#39;s interesting. I just got my. I got a I bought with my copy of how they use technology like a good dog. I don\u0026#39;t own technology like a good dog, so I\u0026#39;m looking forward to reading it. I mean, yeah, that\u0026#39;s really about Gotten to dive in there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Ownership. I mean, it\u0026#39;s not a question of owning technology or owning your dog you actually own your rights, right, yeah, and you know, it\u0026#39;s really about ownership more than it\u0026#39;s about dogs or technology. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, but the big thing is that I think that in learning how to interact with AI, we\u0026#39;re going to learn about learn a lot about what human intelligence actually is. I think we\u0026#39;re going to learn more from this interaction than we\u0026#39;ve learned from all the psychological studies possible, because it\u0026#39;s going to be interactive all the time against the best result, you know, and correspondingly, I mean we\u0026#39;ll have more knowledge about it, but more knowledge about us will be built into the programming of the AI. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Have you seen anything recently that has wowed you or changed your opinion about the usefulness or the future of AI? Like this, like in terms of sounds, like your Richard Burton experience has shaped some new enthusiasm. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, what I get is that all the breakthroughs will be specific. It\u0026#39;ll be individual and specific. So right now I don\u0026#39;t know how many in the first two or three months, you know, plugged into chat, gpt, and then, of course, there\u0026#39;s hundreds of other there\u0026#39;s hundreds of others, specialized AI, and my sense is that it\u0026#39;s transforming the world, but there would be no overview on how that\u0026#39;s happening, because it\u0026#39;s happening in a hundred million different situations in a different way. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So if anything so the ability to have an oversight or an overview of this, I think it was impossible on day one, yeah, and it reminded me of like, as I was kind of reflecting on it is I mean the use that I\u0026#39;m using of. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Who would think of that? And right, there wouldn\u0026#39;t be anyone else, that would even well. If, why would you do that? And I said I found it kind of neat. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you know I was looking at it, thinking back on like this, as one of the major things of the big change of 1975 to 2025 that. Ai as the platform. I don\u0026#39;t know whether platform is the right word or what it is just like. Television was a. That was the big capability that was brought and started out with. You know, just the ability to, you know, have the three national channels and broadcast things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut in the earliest stages of television, nobody really knew what to do with it in, in that they were just bringing radio to television. They were re-enacting, like turn the camera on and do radio theater. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah yeah, I mean, I remember the 1950s sort of programs that were kind of dramatic and they\u0026#39;d have the opening of the curtain. They\u0026#39;d have the opening of the curtains, you know, and because they well, they\u0026#39;re putting on a show. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So what do you do? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you, but yeah, and. But here\u0026#39;s the thing that the networks were still networks that were broadly shared, you know they were in competition with each other. But it was. You were on one network, you\u0026#39;re on the network, I think, with you\u0026#39;re on a billion different networks you know, and each of them each of the networks is being uniquely custom designed for particular purposes by particular people for you know, and everything like that, and my sense is the whole notion that there\u0026#39;s going to be an overarching system like Facebook or something like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI don\u0026#39;t see that happening. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m guessing embedding. And you know, I\u0026#39;m guessing embedding, just like everyone else. But I don\u0026#39;t really care how other people are using it, I only care how I\u0026#39;m going to use it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah yeah, yeah, I think that\u0026#39;s and you probably got. You\u0026#39;ve probably cornered the market on turning thinking tools into Richard Burton. Readings of Iambic pentameter. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you know, I want to see if anybody\u0026#39;s trailing me, and I haven\u0026#39;t picked up on anything so far. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s a blue ocean strategy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, the other one we\u0026#39;re doing. I don\u0026#39;t know if you know Joe Stolti. He\u0026#39;s. Joe is the runner of the. You know, the AI newsletter that Evan Pagan and Peter Diamand. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah, Joe 100K yeah. Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So I met, I met Joe at 100K and he just said what it will do, and so we\u0026#39;ve been going. Now I think we\u0026#39;ve got 12 episodes out and they do an interview with you online. You know thought leadership, other people you like, articles you like and everything else. And then they keep fine tuning what it is that you really want. But our last we\u0026#39;ve had in the last seven episodes we\u0026#39;ve had five of them with more than an 80% open rate for the entire issue. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then, and we had one I had one interview. It was a podcast interview with Mike Canix. We got a 95% open rate. Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s wild. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And it takes no work on our part. It creates the issue you know, so it gives you the results from your previous issue and then it shows you what the next issue is, based on the rates of the last issue. But, you\u0026#39;re learning a lot about what we\u0026#39;re learning a lot about what people really like listening to and what they like. You know, so it\u0026#39;s an interesting thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And he\u0026#39;s great to work with. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I really like him and his team. So yeah, it\u0026#39;s called dailycom, I think it\u0026#39;s called dailycom. Okay, yeah, it\u0026#39;s great, yeah, it\u0026#39;s great, and I mean we\u0026#39;ll put out probably. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you like the idea of not having to do anything. That\u0026#39;s happening. That\u0026#39;s pretty good Well it\u0026#39;s all existing creativity. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e A lot of it is existing articles that\u0026#39;s existing. So we\u0026#39;re repurposing I mean, we\u0026#39;re getting a repurpose out of existing articles and all the content is original content. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know I love that I\u0026#39;m just realizing that\u0026#39;s for guessing and betting people\u0026#39;s fondness for things that do the things they would like to do, especially if it\u0026#39;s things that they would do if they could count on them to do it. You know, that\u0026#39;s kind of a there\u0026#39;s a good thing there. We recently in my Go agent world here our realtor we\u0026#39;ve launched the new real estate accelerator program. Where we\u0026#39;re actually doing it\u0026#39;s a who, not how, model of implementing the listing agent lifestyle elements in someone\u0026#39;s business. So I\u0026#39;ve created that framework of the you know core five things that people you know the bankable results that they can get referrals and multiply their listings, get convert leads, find buyers, get listing. Those things I\u0026#39;ve got you know core programs and shortcuts and programs for them to do them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI was having in conversation with Diane, the who kind of runs that division with me, she I was saying you know, what we\u0026#39;ve been doing is we\u0026#39;ve been selling gym memberships essentially to Go agent, where we\u0026#39;ve got all of the stuff, all the tools, all the IP, everything you need to implement it, and you just come on in and access it and do what you do what you want, and we observe that very few people you know actually do the stuff that we know, this is the secret sauce of gym memberships 40% never go up. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey pay for the whole year and never show up once. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat\u0026#39;s exactly so. We\u0026#39;re running that same model and for someone you know, I like to see people get the results, you know. And so I\u0026#39;ve been doing these you know workshops where I thought, okay, we\u0026#39;ll do these implementation workshops where we\u0026#39;ll spend you know five weeks and we\u0026#39;ll do a weekly session on each of the things as like a booster to get you focused on here\u0026#39;s what to do, kind of thing. And I observed we\u0026#39;ve done that for a year and realized that improves the, that improves the implementation, but still overwhelmingly people are not able to rally themselves to do the things that they know to do. And so we decided, well, what if we just did it for them? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I recorded a video. I said you know? I said you know, I realized that I would be a really great real estate VA if I came to work for you and did all the things that I know in your business. And I said I know how to. I\u0026#39;ve been spending 35 years putting all of these pieces together and I know exactly what to do. And I went through and I outlined here\u0026#39;s what I would do if I came into your business, because I realized that really we could implement all of it in somebody\u0026#39;s business with one synchronous 30 minute, you know, check in at a fixed time with somebody that would then see, you know, three to five hours of implementation in a week, kind of thing for it and I was sharing it that it\u0026#39;s like having a personal trainer instead of just a gym membership. You\u0026#39;re meeting a personal trainer at the gym and the difference is that we\u0026#39;re going to do the six, the sit ups, and you\u0026#39;re going to get the six pack. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat\u0026#39;s really how the difference and every single person I\u0026#39;ve talked to, dan is on board with this, because of course you\u0026#39;re selling the reward. We do the sit ups, you get the six pack. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you\u0026#39;re selling the. You\u0026#39;re selling the impact without the effort. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Exactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s cool. Yeah, yeah but you know there\u0026#39;s still. I bet, if you work out your percentages, even that people won\u0026#39;t go for. You know, because they have an escape from fantasy land about who they are and what they want to achieve. You know, one of the things that Peter Diamanas has the sixties regarding the digital revolution you know digitize the deceptive, the demonetization, dematerialization. There\u0026#39;s democratization yeah, yeah well as the sixth one, I\u0026#39;m saying yeah, it\u0026#39;s democratization in that the possibility as democratic, the utilization follows the same as anything that 10% will outdo 90%. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think that\u0026#39;s true. You know there\u0026#39;s so many everybody. That\u0026#39;s a really interesting thing that there\u0026#39;s just like in truth. You know, in political democracy there\u0026#39;s opportunity, but not everybody takes advantage of it. Everybody has the opportunity to have a YouTube channel and reach the entire world, but there\u0026#39;s only one, mr B. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and you know, he\u0026#39;s number two in the YouTube world. I think there\u0026#39;s somebody who\u0026#39;s got more. I don\u0026#39;t know who it is, but he\u0026#39;s got the last one. I heard 201 million subscribers, followers 201 million. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think he\u0026#39;s the number one individual. I think, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. Well, it\u0026#39;s very interesting. You know the good for a young guy. You know, yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah, you know he\u0026#39;s got a future, this guy. He\u0026#39;s going places, you know you can tell him almost right away. He can tell him almost. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eyou just get a feel Anyway the but the thing that I\u0026#39;m talking about, you know, I mean, the thing that I\u0026#39;m feeling is that I had a line one day. Peter Diamonis and I were going back and forth and he was talking about the future this, the future that, and I said you know what I\u0026#39;ve noticed about the future? When you get there, it feels normal. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Huh, as a matter of fact, it doesn\u0026#39;t arrive until you\u0026#39;ve normalized it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, can you say more about that, because that led you to that Well we don\u0026#39;t like abnormal. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Humans don\u0026#39;t like abnormal. They like normal. Okay, and if you\u0026#39;re asking them to do something new, that\u0026#39;s different. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eUh you have to show them how to go through a normalization process where they get used to it. You know they get used to it and that\u0026#39;s why I\u0026#39;ve been noticing that tech. Every company right now has to appoint a chief AI officer. A chief AI officer Ooh Dean, where would this person be? You know, I mean, where would this person? I mean, I mean, do you even have room or space for a chief AI officer? Okay, and I said no. I said why don\u0026#39;t you just bring in somebody smart who shows your entire team how they particularly, and what they\u0026#39;re doing can do this or that or this and this and let them lose, you know, and see what comes out of it and see what comes out of it? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd why don\u0026#39;t you just have self-empowered you know, self-empowered team members, you know in person or virtual, you know, or remote, and just have them say, you know is, where could, what\u0026#39;s the 20% that if you could get rid of it, which is it still needs to get done, what would it be? And then say, well, there\u0026#39;s an AI program that can do this, or is an AI program do this. They get that 20% done. They say, well, what\u0026#39;s the next 20%? And just keep them going for 50 years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and that\u0026#39;s what. That\u0026#39;s the approach. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We don\u0026#39;t have a chief AI officer. First of all, we don\u0026#39;t have anyone who\u0026#39;s called chief and we don\u0026#39;t have anyone who\u0026#39;s called officer, because that sounds like had chief officer, you know, I think the Gestapo had chief something officer, you know, you know, and everything. I don\u0026#39;t like cheap something officer, I just don\u0026#39;t like the sound of it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s not good for anybody. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, you know, right off the bat I get the willies. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s funny. Yeah, let\u0026#39;s say so. How? What are you doing in that, then? Do you have someone whose role is helping the team become a no, we brought in Evan Ryan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e He did a six module course how to think it through and then he\u0026#39;s off and running, you know, and he checks in and you know with the latest stuff of if they\u0026#39;re doing this and they can look at that. So we have. You know, we have a already operating system in the company that\u0026#39;s called unique ability teamwork. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, everybody\u0026#39;s in their unique ability and everybody\u0026#39;s doing a different aspect of necessary activity in the company and they\u0026#39;re all coordinating with each other. So it\u0026#39;s virtually impossible for us to have a chief something officer, because that\u0026#39;s not the way the company works. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, not a hierarchy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s not a hierarchy, it\u0026#39;s a network. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s interesting, I mean. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m not even. I\u0026#39;m not even chief. It\u0026#39;s just that Dan has certain unique abilities. He\u0026#39;s really good at coming up with new stuff. So where do you get, you know, any, especially new stuff that\u0026#39;s offered to the public and we get paid for it, you know. Right so you know, you know, I\u0026#39;m not a boss in any meaningful way, except I\u0026#39;m the one to define what the next projects are. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, but oh hefe Right, yeah, I think corporations are going to have real hard time with this. I think anything that\u0026#39;s a hierarchy and because there\u0026#39;s one person at the top and there\u0026#39;s a lot of middle people down to the bottom and I get a sense it\u0026#39;s useful at the very top and it\u0026#39;s used at the very, but in the middle I think all those jobs are fair game to get rid of. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Have you been following Salim? Well, not new, but kind of expansion on the exponential organizations, like you\u0026#39;re seeing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I spent two days with him and you know, 100K? Yeah, because we were out to dinner on Friday night and we were sitting together and talking about it. But you know, the model is from my standpoint. It\u0026#39;s a big organization model. It\u0026#39;s not really. I mean because you got about 13 things that you have to check off and you and I personally are done after three. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, yeah, it requires somebody who\u0026#39;s like it almost feels like just achieve an exponential. That\u0026#39;s what I was just going to say. Yeah, yeah it almost needs to be, I mean. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I like Salim\u0026#39;s a great guy to talk to. Yeah great thing. But I think he gets the big bucks from the big corporations. I don\u0026#39;t think he gets the. You know he doesn\u0026#39;t get the money like we get the money at the, not from entrepreneurs right, we\u0026#39;re street level. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We\u0026#39;re street level. Men are the people really? Yeah, we\u0026#39;re house lawyers. Oh, my goodness, it\u0026#39;s so fun again. You know I get such joy out of that. You know, like the I\u0026#39;ve been. You know I go to a cafe here called Honeycomb Bread Bakers and they you know one of you learn the crowd and the people there was. There used to be a coffee shop called N plus, one which was the yeah yeah, so I would go there all the time and N plus, that was pre COVID, wasn\u0026#39;t it? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That was pre COVID. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And yeah, and during COVID. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, let\u0026#39;s say kind of hit the wall during. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They didn\u0026#39;t really recover from that in terms of it being a profitable business. They were attached to their bike shop, which was the main, and the idea is invite. Yeah, the idea was N plus one is the equation, for you know how many coffees should you have, which is N equal the number of coffees you\u0026#39;ve had today Plus one. That\u0026#39;s how many. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And so I got to know the owner, Peter Zion, was saying that when you lived on a farm you had as many children as you could plus one. And somebody asked him well, what\u0026#39;s the plus one for? To know that you\u0026#39;ve had too many. Same thing with coffee, I think. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, the fun thing is that riding a bicycle is a decidedly mainland adventure and they serve an area and the 15 mile zone. What are you calling it? The bubble. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e you know, and do they have like bike paths and everything? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, there\u0026#39;s like paths all over Winterhaven. Yeah, lots of great places. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut, so over coffee a couple of weeks ago he was asking for some marketing advice. Like think I mean to ramp things up. I went through this concept of you know the before, the during and the after unit and you know largest check and I could ask you know what\u0026#39;s the best if I could just line people up the door right now? Who would you want? What would what\u0026#39;s the highest margin thing? And it was eBikes is the thing. Yeah, I said so. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI have a learning that I\u0026#39;ve had from working with a bathroom boutique client in Miami and I\u0026#39;ve learned from doing this that putting a catalog together is a really great lead generator. Right Objective data is all, rather than trying to convince people that they should buy a bike and put there because they were running ads that were like, hey, where\u0026#39;s the bike shop? Here we are, we\u0026#39;re in Winterhaven and you know bikes are great kind of thing. Getting their name out there and I shared with him the concept of and value of getting their name in here rather than getting your name out there. Let\u0026#39;s get the names, let\u0026#39;s gather the names of everybody who\u0026#39;s interested in e-bikes and I proposed putting together this e-bike catalog with them, and so we did that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe put that on my Facebook. I put up the ads forum and we\u0026#39;re generating e-book our e-bike catalog downloads for $1.66 each. So he said to him like you put this in the thing it\u0026#39;s like for let\u0026#39;s just give some room for improvement for our cost of the ads to go up. But let\u0026#39;s say that we can get 100 people to metaphorically raise their hand and say, hey, I\u0026#39;m interested in an e-bike for $150. We can get 100 of them to raise their hand and his average margin on an e-bike is around $600 to $700. And so it doesn\u0026#39;t take many of those to engage with and them to buy a bike. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s kind of funny. It\u0026#39;s like that I still I get as much joy out of that as doing something with a big national company that\u0026#39;s got. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think the big thing that I\u0026#39;m getting and this is not going cloud landing discussion is you\u0026#39;re growing understanding of exactly who you want to talk to and the continual evolution of people knowing exactly who they want to hear Actually, who they want to hear and that bypasses an incredible amount of bureaucracy, I mean if you think about the sheer amount of bureaucracy In my sense, is that the current extreme polarization in what\u0026#39;s called polarization, political polarization and cultural polarization, is that I think that the probably three or four generations who took the root of high education, so in other words, starting in nursery school, they were competing to get into a great kindergarten and compete to get into a great primary school, to get into a great university, to get into a great high school which got you to the university and the graduate school, that they\u0026#39;re imperiled. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI think that they\u0026#39;re imperiled. On the other hand, an 18 year old who, after graduation with no thought of university at all takes a 10 week welding certification course, is making anywhere between 60 and 100,000 at the end of the, and he\u0026#39;s the buyer or she\u0026#39;s the buyer. She\u0026#39;s the buyer because and probably you know within 10 years they\u0026#39;re making a million. They\u0026#39;re making a million and they\u0026#39;re bypassing the higher education. All because the higher education is about abstractions, but AI is about extreme specificity. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s about extreme specificity and I think that a lot of the uprising on universities and the polarization and the cancel culture is they don\u0026#39;t want to hear news about anything else except what they\u0026#39;ve been promised lies at the end of the rainbow the abstraction rainbow, and it\u0026#39;s just a general unsettling. You know and and I mean think about it you were in school from four years old to, let\u0026#39;s say, 26 years old and have run up. I mean it cost you an incredible amount if you could pay for it, or it cost you an incredible amount and you know loans and you\u0026#39;re a quarter million, or 400, a quarter million, or you\u0026#39;re $400,000 in debt when you graduate. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And then you learn that there\u0026#39;s a new technology that\u0026#39;s just going to make everything you did for the last 22 years irrelevant, including you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, right, right, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So my sense is that it\u0026#39;s the middle white collar, you know the whole middle white collar, part of the economy that\u0026#39;s going to get clobbered but not at the high end, where people are really creative, or at the end, where people are really handy. You know where people are really handy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that they\u0026#39;re completely safe, even things like you know legal associates, like people who are, you know, in big law firms. You know the first session year both the involved do, slaving away in the library looking up case law. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, or contract contract, you know, yeah, and I mean there\u0026#39;s somebody that a test of a particular deed on a particular property in another state that required about inputs from about seven different things, which generally takes about three and a half to four weeks to get the whole three, and the AI program did it in like 15 minutes start to finish and it was completely accurate and I mean it was really really sort of had involved and it\u0026#39;s blessed entry. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Very well. So what do these have? Like the Pretty amazing, isn\u0026#39;t it? I mean well, like we\u0026#39;re living in the future, it\u0026#39;s we\u0026#39;re normalizing that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, we\u0026#39;re normalizing it on an individual basis, we\u0026#39;re not normalizing it on a group basis. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, I think that it\u0026#39;s only the front runners you mean that are Seeing that? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e no, it\u0026#39;s just an alert, curious, responsive, resourceful individual who\u0026#39;s got a particular thing in mind. And they found those new way of multiplying their Productivity, multiplying their profitability you know and you know. So yeah, but see, everybody I had, I was, we were in Chicago last week and we have a G, you know, in general practice she\u0026#39;s an internist and she\u0026#39;s our. Chicago doorway to any kind of specialty that we need, you know, specialty medicine. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd she\u0026#39;s going concierge November oh nice tonight and and Because we\u0026#39;ve been with her for about 15 years, you know and. I can tell that the weight of the Disease management Industry is weighing down on her. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We don\u0026#39;t have a healthcare system. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e What we have is a disease management. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eRight you know and and so, and I could tell she was lighter. I mean, she\u0026#39;s had this light, energetic feel about her and welcome to the entrepreneurial world. You know, welcome. I said you get paid for what you ask. You know you get paid for what you asked. And she says well, you know, I\u0026#39;m really worried about the fact that the people who Don\u0026#39;t have the access to you and I said you were worried about that before, I said 99.9% of you didn\u0026#39;t have access to you you know, before this happened, including you didn\u0026#39;t have access to you before this. Now you get access to you and I said that\u0026#39;s the only change here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I said there but You\u0026#39;re going to get pickier and pickier about who gets to see you and everything. And I said it\u0026#39;s just very natural. And she says yeah, but the whole system, I mean how? I said her name\u0026#39;s on me and I said I mean there is no system, the biggest, there are 10 million systems and you\u0026#39;re one of them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou\u0026#39;re a planet, planet, I said. The biggest fallacy is this is industrial thinking from 1900 to 1950, that there\u0026#39;s a system, there is no system. You know, and I said there there are no systems, there\u0026#39;s just. There\u0026#39;s just connected local neighborhoods. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So you\u0026#39;re what you\u0026#39;re saying really reminds me of of Ray Dalio\u0026#39;s you know understanding of the market and saying how you know the way we talk about the auto market, what that really is just an aggregate Construct of all the individual micro transactions. Oh yeah one person buying one car, and you\u0026#39;re saying the same, that I feel that Same way that there\u0026#39;s no system. The system is just made up, yeah, of this aggregate of the individual micro transactions between one person with Very precise medical needs, seeking them from one person. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah, yeah and the it\u0026#39;s like climate. There is no climate people said yeah, and I said the climate is just a 360 day average of what the temperatures were. You know, yeah, and what the precipitation was and what the wind was, every day being entirely different from the other 364 and in order to get some sense of it. You call it, you average it and we got to have a name for that, so they call it climate. There is no climate, there\u0026#39;s just a lot of temperature, right right right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere\u0026#39;s just a lot of weather. I\u0026#39;ve only experienced weather. I\u0026#39;ve never experienced climate. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Climate is this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e System weather is reality. Yeah, so I think the whole notion of systems, you know, you know, I mean there\u0026#39;s some big tools which are being used in common, but you know, like, the dollar is the reserve currency rate you know, and and everything else, but everybody\u0026#39;s using dollars differently. They\u0026#39;re using dollars for different reasons. You know and, and or English, the English language, and there\u0026#39;s no uniparty around the world. There\u0026#39;s about a hundred different versions of English. You know because it\u0026#39;s it\u0026#39;s the one language that you can get along Extremely well-speaking, badly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s funny. Yeah, yeah, true, can\u0026#39;t do that with can\u0026#39;t do that with French. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I can tell you, you can\u0026#39;t do that with French. Yeah, but that\u0026#39;s the language of romance. Yeah, so why did you get out of this? I mean, we windered a bit today, which is our favorite activity Absolutely. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that\u0026#39;s. I think that\u0026#39;s fantastic. I haven\u0026#39;t thought about the relationship between the system and the market in that parallel way that Ray Dalio and I think that really, you know it does come down to you know, being able that\u0026#39;s really what it is being able to use whatever means to get an outcome for People. You know I\u0026#39;m bullish about the future here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, now I\u0026#39;m just trying to think I can do it next week, because, no, I can\u0026#39;t do it next week. I\u0026#39;m on my way to Nashville next week. So I but I can do it two weeks from now and I\u0026#39;ll be in Buenos Aires, argentina. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. I will be here and I will be anxious to hear about your Buenos Aires experience. Will you have had the experience? When we talk? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No, will you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e be there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We got an overnight flight on Saturday Okay, weeks from now and and then it starts on Monday, so I\u0026#39;ll this would be the. We\u0026#39;re two hours ahead of you, so time-wise, buenos Aires is two hours ahead of where you are future and, yeah, all of South. Here\u0026#39;s an interesting thing about you know where London Ontario is. Of course, because yeah lived halfway there. But anyway all of South America sits east of London, Ontario. Yeah wild right, you think it\u0026#39;s underneath. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNorth, I know it isn\u0026#39;t it that goes way to the east? Actually, brazil is only a thousand miles from Africa. That\u0026#39;s crazy. Yeah, two-hour flight from. Africa to Brazil. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah anyway, well then, I will be here with bells on and I will look forward to it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know what? And we\u0026#39;re both ten quick starts. We\u0026#39;re both ADD. And that\u0026#39;s a prescription. That\u0026#39;s a prescription for no system. That\u0026#39;s exactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They\u0026#39;re like holy so all right. Okay, two weeks for me. Okay, okay, bye, bye, bye you. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In today's Welcome to Cloudlandia episode, we embark on an intriguing exploration of the realm of AI and technology. \r\n\r\nWe examine fascinating experiments involving text conversion to a unique speech structure that aligns with your heartbeat. \r\n\r\nLastly, we delve into discussions around marketing education and share snippets from our upcoming trip.\r\n","date_published":"2023-12-27T08:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/a35cfeeb-1917-4f4e-8598-328336f88802.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":38923895,"duration_in_seconds":3240}]},{"id":"51074b09-886a-43dc-af3b-a26a419a12c3","title":"Ep111: The Black Plague, Roman Empire, and COVID-19","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/111","content_text":"In today's episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we discuss some intriguing impacts of the COVID-19 pandemic on our lives and businesses. \n\nWe explore the shift to virtual platforms like Zoom and the concept of \"Cloudlandia,\" drawing comparisons to changes brought about by historical pandemics. Dan and I consider opportunities that can emerge from unexpected times. \n\nOur discussion ranges from societal shifts driven by technologies in the past to possibilities of the future. \n\n\u0026amp;nbsp\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\nDean talks about the transformative effects of the COVID-19 pandemic, including transitioning from live events to digital platforms, and the potential opportunities arising from these changes.\nDan brings historical context to the discussion, comparing the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic to historical events such as the Black Plague and the Roman Empire.\nWe explore the power of technology and how it has reshaped society, from cars to cable TV, and the upcoming \"golden plateau\" in technological advancements.\nWe delve into the world of virtual coaching and how the pandemic has highlighted its untapped potential.\nDan discusses the human nature and how it remains constant throughout history, reflecting on significant technological changes in the 20th century and their effects on society.\nWe consider the concept of a \"golden plateau\" in technological advancements, discussing the impact on our lives and how the COVID-19 pandemic has affected our reliance on technology.\nDean shares his experience with transitioning to virtual workshops and how Zoom meetings might herald a new era in history.\nDan shares a fascinating narrative about twin sisters born in Germany before the Berlin Wall, exploring their life choices, and their adaptation to a rapidly changing world, underscoring the intersection of history, capitalism, and technology.\nWe discuss the concept of normalization, how individuals adapt differently to new situations, and how we've navigated the trials and triumphs of life during the pandemic.\nDan offers insights into how the shift from serfdom in England during the Black Plague led to a greater appreciation of workers' value, and how this historical perspective may shed light on our current situation.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean: Mr Sullivan. \n\nDan: Do you realize that the recordings of everything we say are being analyzed right now at the National Security Agency? \n\nDean: I bet that's true, don't doubt this for a minute. \n\nDan: It's the best part of their week. \n\nDean: Hey guys, they're back Down the road. That's funny. \n\nDan: They don't think it's funny. \n\nDean: Oh man. Well, how are you after our absence last week? \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, it's been great. You know things are company-wise. It's our best year ever, top line and bottom line, oh look at you Congratulations. That's exciting. Given where we were two, three years ago, this feels good. That was a long time underwater, yeah boy, oh boy. \n\nDean: Me too, I mean. Much like you, the majority of a lot of my income came from live events, like during my break through the blue 20 events and stuff like that. So yeah, it's weird, I'm just talking about it the other day that you know what was kind of this last year. It's almost coming up on 2021, 22 to almost four full years, right, yeah? \n\nDan: next. \n\nDean: If you think 20 was when it started, right. So yeah, almost all yeah, here almost all of 2023. But I look at the last three, it's been a blur. This last seems like just yesterday. We were in Phoenix at the Free Zone Summit. \n\nDan: At the Boulder, yeah, at the Boulder, it wasn't shut down. \n\nDean: But I think what was really, what really threw me off was we nobody knew how long this was going to last and every I just felt like, okay, well, we'll just kind of flatten the curve, this will go out through the summer and then by the fall we'll be back and everything should be fine, but I'm sure you were thinking that same thing and then, as soon as we flattened the curve, then we kept getting the new you know the new waves, and that went on, like you know, three, three or four times. So weird. \n\nDan: So let me ask you a question what's the biggest idea you've had? Only because you went through what happened over the last three years, three, four years. \n\nDean: I think the whole idea of Cloudlandia really formed then. Because that when I realized that the key is that we could just as easily gather in Cloudlandia and that I shifted everything from being kind of a mainland in-person business to being 80% mainland in-person, 20% on the phone or otherwise, and that was a big realization, and now realize, like I really I haven't been North of I4, interstate 4. I've been North of I4 in four years. I haven't had to. I've 100% migrated to Cloudlandia with invitations and you know people coming to. If they want to spend time in the mainland they come to. But so that was a big that was a big shift. \n\nAnd we're back now to. So I'm back now, you know, revenue wise, back to pre-COVID days, you know. But then we got. You know, I think that the future is a hybrid, you know, I think there's still lots of mainland opportunities, I think, that line of thinking, that realization of mainland in Cloudlandia, and you know the roles of each. \n\nDan: You know it's really interesting. I did a lot of in-person workshops because I was doing the 10 times program beforehand, but this year I'll do 64 coaching sessions. Okay. \n\nDean: Live days, you mean. \n\nDan: Well, live events, so they're not days, sorry. So I'll do 64 this year, and only eight of them will be in person. \n\nDean: Oh, okay, that's what I was saying, that's what I meant. So you're counting like connector calls Connector. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: Okay, yeah. And the thing about it I think are a nice suite. Those are two hours. Two hours yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, those are the perfect suite spot. Yeah, and it was forced upon us only because we had no. There's nothing as decisive as no alternative, absolutely. \n\nDean: Yeah, I hear you, I'm really excited. \n\nDan: But once we created this alternative when we came back to full-time, I mean, the company as a whole is back to full-time live sessions, yeah, and. But we've added these two-hour sessions, which were only possible because our clients at nightbase got on to Zoom willingly or not, they got on to Zoom. And it was so useful creating these little two-hour sessions. That's a huge plus, that's a huge gain for us to have them and they're an entity into themselves. You know they have their own value and would not have gone there for two reasons. \n\nOne there was no reason to. And secondly, there was no, there was no ability to, but we acquired this capability because of what happened. I was reading the history of the plague, which was not a single thing. It was a series. Of this is I'm talking about the 1200s and 13-legs, right, yeah? On the Black Plague and it hit in the early part of. It hit worse in England of all the European countries and got hit worse. And England was a feudal country. They had warlords and they had serfs. \n\nThey had peasants, the king was warlord and there were lesser warlords, but each of them had their serf universe around them, and these were the worker bees. They did all the work and the plague was an equal opportunity killer. It killed from top to bottom. There was no class in England that was immune to the plague, because it was infectious, because they intermingled all the time. Everybody was densely populated and it was so devastating that a lot of estates just folded up, a lot of warlord estates folded up because they didn't have workers. They didn't have workers. They had lost so many workers. So what happened is that the workers realized suddenly that they had a value, in other words, that you can't run the place without us. And so they started wandering the field to the highest buyer, the person who would pay them the most and give them the best deal. So in history. \n\nit's probably the biggest shift of servants becoming three agents and where they went off the land and they went into the towns. They went into the city and they became hired workers. But they could name their price, because if they didn't like the price, they could go to somebody else and say would you offer me a higher price? And what happened is that the merchant classes suddenly became more important than the landed aristocrats. \n\nOkay, because they had business coming in. Where the land has one economic system, it's the crops. And they just decided you know, I couldn't do that. But previous to the plague they were condemned to the land, they were condemned to their occupation. They were condemned to the land, they didn't move. But after the plague they did. And so England which got hit the worst I think they had five plagues in a period of 50 or 60 years and all equally devastating. But they gained the most of the country because they got rid of serfdom in the 1200s where, for example, by comparison, in Russia it didn't happen until the beginning of the 20th century and Germany didn't happen until 1850. Okay, and it was just because of the peculiar geography and the peculiar density of the British population. And then they started talking about rights. They started talking about individual rights and everything along with employment, and freedom follows money. \n\nBut I was just thinking about that, what it must have been like the year before the first plague and the year after the fifth plague. What had happened to people's lives back then? \n\nDean: I mean it's so fascinating to me, Dan, because I remember in college and high school Western civ classes were like get through that and write your Gordon Rule essay and we've gone with it. And here it wasn't really like figuring out of the supply to you. To me as a college kid, that's what you're thinking, but now it's. The thing that fascinates me is this whole history of Western civilization, of how we kind of came into this thing. There's a funny meme going around on TikTok right now where women ask their husbands or boyfriends or whatever how often do you think about the Roman Empire? The meme is to turn your camera on and just ask your husband or whatever how often do you think about the Roman Empire? And it's pretty interesting because the answers that they're giving like a lot of them, are think about it all the time and you think about how much it came from. You know, came from. \n\nDan: And they didn't know, and the way they didn't know. Yeah, exactly, yeah, exactly. That's what are they thinking? About they're thinking about the Roman Empire. That's the Roman Empire. Now, that shocks me actually. \n\nDean: But you strike me as a guy who often thinks about the Roman Empire, you know. \n\nDan: Yeah, I do. \n\nDean: Not many people, dan, I don't know anybody else to have a conversation that starts up. You know I've been thinking about the Black Plague lately. Yeah, only here, welcome to the Blue Land, because you hear such a conversation, that is you know, we just had about five. \n\nDan: We just had about five tripwires at the National Security Agency. But if we didn't know, that the majority of husbands were thinking about the Roman Empire you know, it's kind of like when have we been? We didn't pick up on this Right. What's that mean? \n\nDean: Yeah, but you know the interests that they were giving was. You know one? A couple of the guys were engineers and they constantly thinking about you know the. Roman Empire thinking about others are the one guy's. They was a martial artist. Thinking about the Roman, you know gladiators and Like constantly thinking about all things. The Rome, you know and it's funny because you're, you know. You look at your Euclid, you know yeah, I'm before the Roman your foundational thing. \n\nDan: Right, exactly, but I mean, I mean actually if there was any Civilization that benefited from Euclid, it was the Romans. They were great builders. \n\nYeah, you know, yeah, and all that depended upon the books of Euclid, every everything that they did. Yeah, well, it's an interesting thing. You know, I have a constant belief that human nature is a constant in the. I mean, we tend to think that people are radically different because of the means that they use at one particular era of you know history from another side that well, that that means they were really different people, and I said I don't think they are. I think they have a constant. \n\nYou know they have a constant motivation to kind of utilize whatever they have available to them, and Oftentimes that requires that they have to create an entirely new structures and new processes, and and so the so you know, I don't feel, you know like I was born in the 40s, I lived, you know, I was conscious beginning in the 50s and my sense is that, as far as how people were, you know what human nature was, I don't see much of a difference. \n\nI certainly don't see it in myself, you know, I just sample of one feel any different. \n\nDean: I Think I still. \n\nDan: I'm very much in touch who I was when I was eight years old. \n\nDean: Yeah, me too. Yeah, I think about that a lot like that, because I have been and we've had conversations about the reflection on. You know, I think you know we've had to be the ages your 22 years older. Than me that you've had a whole mother. You know generation of, you know the experience from 1944 to 1966 with the pretty. That's a pretty, yeah, that's a lot of happen. You know, yeah. \n\nYeah, and I look at the. You know the 22 years from 1966 to 88 were really. I marked 1988 as basically the end of the analog life. You know that that the beginning of the digital live, and though digital stuff kind of start happening in 70s, there was a real practical here. We started getting real practical applications of digital stuff. But that first 22 years of my life was Really analog and I'm thankful that I had that experience, because I think there's something you know to that. I don't know whether it, I don't know practically, whether what we you know the fondness that I feel for either Nostalgic or you know, but it was a different, it was a different world. \n\nDan: It was a very different world yeah. Yeah, well, going on that book, the, you know the big change you know, yeah, from the book, wonderful book that you sent me, which I consume. You know the. I was born right at the payoff period of the first 50 years. \n\nDean: You know yeah. \n\nDan: That's it. Yeah and you know I've been talking to people decades older than myself who had gone through the real huge impact of the you know, the cars, the electricity, the you know light everywhere. You know movies, radio, movies, radio and the beginning of television. You know that and you know, you know I mean. I remember People gathering in rooms to watch this thing called television. You know, I remember you know it was like a big event. \n\nDean: We just got our television. \n\nDan: come on over, we're going to have a buffet dinner and we're all going to sit around and watch our. \n\nDean: TV dinners and jiffy pop popcorn, yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: It was rudimentary, I mean, but the big thing about it was it had a liveliness to it because the Programs were not recorded, they were live. No, everything was still live. And you know and think about where we are now. That Live TV. Well, first of all, I don't watch it in the heaven for a while. But I think a lot of people just said why should they schedule when I get to watch what I want? \n\nDean: Well, it seems a little undignified. \n\nDan: Yeah, it seems it seems feudal Feudal in both senses of the word. \n\nDean: Yeah, what a feudal way of doing what I want to watch, you know, but you think about that was largely there was no change between the way you were watching television in 1948 and the way you were watching television in 1988. It was really the main. It was still as Scheduled you had to be yeah, you had maybe one more. \n\nDan: You had maybe one more channel, you know I went to. Cnn start. Well then you had the cable. Yeah, that's what I mean. \n\nDean: At the 80s you had more options for it. Yeah, but it wasn't until it wasn't until the late 80s that you had more option. I mean, the VCR brought a synchronicity and, yeah, freed you from at least you could shoot, gave you choice and Detached from the scheduling of it. But nobody could figure out how to Record stuff. Yeah it was a look. \n\nYou know, 90% of the VCRs were still flashing 12 yeah, you know nobody can even program the clock for it, let alone Learn how to record Programs. You know so mostly. You had Blockbuster to go and give yourself some Choice, but that took from 1948 to 1988 to get to that point. And that big middle, that big Golden plateau, that I think that's a good term for it. Right, is that golden? \n\nDan: plateau of. \n\n0:18:39 - Dean:\nAll of those things being in place. That happened in the big change. All those things you mentioned electric and on radio, tv, movies, flight, automobile, all of those things climb, climb, exponential improvement to 1950. And then we had that golden plateau where there wasn't much innovation on those things but it was really settled into a much improved life and life style Because of those things. You know now every I had electricity, air conditioning, telephone, car in the driveway, pv in the living room. You know All of those things were. That was like the basic, that was the basic amenity package for American life circa 1950 to 1980, you know, yeah, and that's bathroom bathroom is where there was no bath and no shower. \n\nDan:Yeah, right exactly. \n\nDean: Very funny that the thing now and this is where I firmly believe that period from 1975 to two-week years of AI, a couple more years to develop, with that same sort of climbing, climbing, exponential improvement in things. But I think that we're approaching level golden plateau, where the next thing is going to be settled into the benefits of using all the things that we have now, of really settling into those utilization of this new baseline, like every home. Now it's interesting that the basic amenity package for life now includes some sort of a smart phone, access to the internet and streaming smart television service. So all of that as the baseline package, though for the digital plateau here. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: It's pretty exciting. \n\nDan: Yeah, and I feel that, and I think that World Affairs are dictating that this is now going to be the only thing available for people to do, because my feeling is that COVID delivered a first stunning blow to both your ability and your desire to travel. I think people are much more at home or stay in place today than they were four years ago around the world. I'm not just in North America, but in the whole world. \n\nDean: That geography does come into place, right, like your position, your outpost, your mainland outpost to Cloudlandia, like I think about I've just been watching you know, with just a perplexing. I can't even imagine what it's like to be living in Israel right now, like that entire, or Ukraine I mean you think about these things how insulated we are right now from the reality. \n\nDan: Well, like there's one aspect. You know, israel comparatively has a very small population. That's why the equivalent of what happened with the first 24 to 48 hours was way beyond what 9-11 did to the United States. \n\nDean: Absolutely yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, because it's the equivalent of 40,000, you know if you compare. Israeli population of the US. You know, the US's population is 45 times bigger than Israel. \n\nSo the 3,000 out of 40, you know, 45 times it's significant, but it's, you know, it's not that big, it's like 40,000, I mean, if you wanted to translate it, it's like, you know, it's like 40 to 50,000 people have died. But the other thing is the call up to war, because it is a declared war. They've moved 300,000 working-age people into the military, now their full-time military. So what's that do to the economy? \n\nyou know what's you know, and so my sense is that Israel, which is a very advanced technological country, is now going to go through an amazing period of artificial intelligence, dealt with everything that moves in their economy. \n\nDean: Yeah, I mean when you amplify too, especially the proximity to it. When you look at the, you know it might be a 145th of the population, but it's also, you know, a hundredth or less of the geographic area of the. United States, you know. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's basically New Jersey you know, I mean the land area of New Jersey is about equal to and they're comparable yeah, yeah and when you look at that and you realize that's not like even in Ukraine. \n\nDean: As you know the size of the Ukraine, if you're you know kind of there's a place to distance from what's going on the eastern border of Ukraine. If you're on the western side you're kind of a little bit insulated from it. But you know, it's just. It's amazing to me, dan. I can't even imagine. \n\nDan: Yeah, well, you know actually my experience of this because I was, you know, technically in a war zone when I was in South Korea. \n\nDean: I was going to say you were in a war zone. Yeah. \n\nDan: Well, south Korea, and we were maybe a hundred miles from the DMZ, okay, uh-huh, but you were conscious and we had five alerts in the year and a half that I was there and that meant there was an incursion on the DMZ, the demilitarized zone. \n\nI can tell you the demilitarized zone is very militarized, you know, and so there would be, you know, a squad of American troops or the other UN troops would be ambushed. You know they would ambush, and immediately the country you know, and this was the military, the US Park, you know 40, 45,000, and then you had. \n\nYou know you had other troops, the Turks, the Turkish. The Turks had a big contingent there, but immediately you knew what to do, you would do that. So in Israel they've had the rocket attacks now going back seven or eight years. Okay, and they immediately the sirens go off. Everybody knows what to do. So there I was, that the closer you are to the danger, the less scary it seems, because it's normal, you've normalized anything. And three or four days, you've normalized the situation. Okay, you've normalized it. \n\nSeeing it from a distance, you know you're imagining what that situation would do to the Four Seasons, right, yeah? \n\nDean: I'm sitting like I'm in my courtyard right now and it's just, it's the perfect temperature. It's so quiet, you know, because there's nothing around me. I just can't even imagine if bombs started landing or somebody started running through the neighborhood. \n\nDan: Yeah, but on the other hand, I mean, you've been there for decades, you know in the area and you have. You know what? Two, three hurricane alerts a year. \n\nDean: Well, people in people in Toronto. \n\nDan: I mean a hurricane for people in Toronto, oh yeah. You know, actually almost the entire what I would say. The the water overflow situation in Toronto was hugely created because of a hurricane in the 1950s that killed 200 people in Toronto because of sudden rushing water in parts of the city where people were caught. It was like a riptide. \n\nYou know it was like a riptide and they had to reconfigure their entire drainage system. You know when heavy rains and everything like that. So that's an example, you know, an example of someplace that doesn't have this kind of situation. When they get a big one, they have to rethink everything. You know. And but the type of a situation we had in Toronto in 1953, I wasn't here, but as a matter of fact, I'm not here today, I'm in Chicago. \n\nDean: But just talking about it. \n\nDan: You know I try to get some distance between me and any potential problem, but you know I mean it's a violation of normal and in Israel, my feeling when I was there it's been about two and a half weeks in Israel and I got a sense that everybody knew what to do with trouble. Okay, they knew what to do with. There was a kibbutz that we visited and these people had been in Gaza, that they had lived in Gaza before it was given back to the Palestinians 2005, 2006, I think it might have been somewhere around there and they were talking. The woman said that there was the start of trouble had started and there were bombings and there were shootings and she had three kids and they went out the front door and she heard the bombs, she heard the shooting and they all came rushing back in and they said they're shooting in the streets and she said, well, go out the back. \n\nNo, out the back, wow and the reason is, I mean, they had already rehearsed it, but they had to go to school. \n\nDean: Yeah, go help the back. \n\nDan: Okay, yeah, she said well just go out, just go out. They had a back gate and no, there was a back route and everything like that so what it says is that having something like this happened was the normal part of their experience Right, yeah, that's just and they were all tacking every. \n\nWe were up at the Lebanese border and we just visited this community. That's the furthest northern, most Israeli settlement town. You know, it's not big, you know, a couple hundred people. Everybody was packing, everybody had a six-quat, you know. And so funny because there was a UN troop between them and the Whoever was on the other side of the border and and he said aren't you scared? He says I'll tell you who's scared, as the UN people, they're really scared. Okay, because we kind of believe that they favor the Terrorists. You know, our belief is that the UN protects the terrorists, you know. But if you went to the northern, above the border and you asked the Lebanese, they said we feel that the UN Favors the Israelis. You know, uh-huh. \n\nSo I said if trouble starts off, who gets shot first? I? He says, well, the UN troops. And he says I even got a guy on the shoot. \n\nDean: Oh my goodness I've got a guy I know the guy right Normalizing no I don't know how to yeah no, normal is normal. \n\nDan: Yeah, we're great normalizing species. Humans are a normalizing species. You know that. \n\nDean: Reminded me of. There was a cartoon where the, the Cheap dog and the wolf were, you know, clocking in for their job. Today, fred, they ask each other at the clock in, and then they did work. He tried to steal the sheep and he tried and foil them. \n\nDan: You know, yeah what'd you do last time? What'd you do tonight? Last night, you? \n\nDean: know, you know what are you gonna do what? \n\nDan: what are you gonna do today? Oh, you know the usual, yeah. And so people, you know you, you know real, realize that we were standing in line. We came through the Toronto security yesterday and and if you were, if you had nexus or you had what's the general term for nexus is where they yeah, yeah. I get global entry. I just look, you know, and they're really. The Machines are really sophisticated. \n\nUse, come up the machine yeah it has an arrow going upwards and said look into the camera. And I looked into the camera and there was about a five seconds. Say your identity, you know, you're confirmed. Yeah, and see the an art, you know. And that's become normal. Yeah, but in the not because we find business class and we have nexus and the other thing people were having to take off their shoes. Okay, yeah, this is 2024, and they have to take off their shoes to go through, you know, to go through the machine and and I said this was because one guy, one guy. \n\nYeah, 25 years he was fine from London to New York and he was trying to detonate his shoes. \n\nAnd and he was a clutch, and so they caught him and they took him away, and immediately, because of one guy not two in two different situations, but one guy in one situation he had immediately. Everybody has to take off their shoes. It's just one guy. You know why don't you have a little area where you have to walk across? You know it's on the floor and it can detect explosives you know, and it's a trapdoor, so they immediately drop you into the. The cleaner, the cleaner who was that? \n\nDean: Land security right, yeah, yeah who was that guy? \n\nDan: I said we'll never know. We'll never know. Yeah, but it's interesting and you know it's a pain, you know, and that's why we have nexus and that's why we've adapted cloudland via Bypass. You know, the machine knows me. \n\nYeah, that's it's really important is that the machine knows you. Yeah, but there's a thing about normalizing, you know, and but my feeling you know the famous, you know it's the adaptation curve, you know it's a yeah, you know it starts at one end, then there's a big bulge and then it goes down the other end my sense is that people's ability to normalize is unequal. I think you and I are pretty fast to normalize. \n\nDean: I think the two of us and that and it's a reward for being a DD you think, yeah, I think so too, you're probably right. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, that's an interesting thought. Lon, lon, quick start, lon, quick start a DD. I think you normalize really fast. You know, I normalize really fast yeah. I remember it was Friday, the 13th of March, when I was in Chicago, and it's funny because Friday was the 13th. This is. \n\nSunday, but we're talking, yeah, and, and I was coaching a workshop, but it was about 60% of what its normal numbers were. You know, I think we normally had 50 and I think we had maybe 30. And then when we got together After the workshop, before Babs and I went home to flew back home to Toronto, she says we've had a powwow all the leadership in the company and we've decided we're gonna have to close down All workshops for three months. Okay, it's March, we're gonna close down all workshops until, because we're people just aren't going to be showing up and I need to put the word out that we're not gonna do it that time and. \n\nI was tired, I'd done four workshops a week, and so we went to the airport, we got on the plane and I'm Halfway home and I said zoom, we're gonna switch over to zoom. This is the opportunity switch over, zoom. And I hit the ground the next morning. Well, it was Saturday, but by Monday I said okay, what will it take to turn everything we do 100% into zoom? Yeah, yeah. \n\nI and we have clients today who we haven't seen Since early 2020, who still haven't made the adjustment right. Yeah, I think they can't normalize and what it? \n\nDean: was. I think that when I first started doing zoom I Was doing, I was trying to do the same thing as the break through blueprint, but by zoom, like three days, same thing. We're just, instead of being in the boardroom, you're in your home, you know, and I think we realized about Zoom fatigue kind of thing. It's sitting three days in zoom Full day is a long with a big ass, and I think that you and I both have come to the realization that like two hours more frequently is the is a better Two hours is the right amount of time and I found this beautiful time zone From three o'clock to five o'clock Eastern time. \n\nHe gets me. I go to Hawaii on one end, even to the you know, this side of Australia where it's six am, you know, at three pm in the afternoon, all the way to Lichtenstein on the other end where it's, you know, ten o'clock at night. That Swap of the Western world is really what's available in yeah, and. Yeah, that's our. \n\nDan: Yeah, our stretches from Pakistan, Well, stretches from Mumbai, because Mumbai is further to the east and Pakistan to New Zealand, and I'm just saying people who show up for zoom cults. You know the? Yeah, yeah yeah and everything. Yeah, lichtenstein, that's really interesting. \n\nDean: Do whites, do well often they're husbands. \n\nDan: That's perfect. Nsa that's a money laundering. We have the very first space. \n\nDean: So I started doing this specific like I do a lead conversion workshop and a lead generation workshop, which are four sessions specifically about that micro topic, two hours each four weeks in a row and the very first one that I did. We had someone from Hawaii and Lichtenstein and all points in between. It was really the perfect thing. \n\nDan: Yeah, I mean we adjusted throughout the day depending on our, you know. I mean I'll have six free zones, six free zone, two hour free zone. \n\nDean: I'd love quarter. \n\nDan: Connector calls are amazing and if they're big you know they have a lot of people they take on one quality, and if they're like a handful of people, they take on another quality. They're different for you. You don't have to have breakout groups if you have five people, you know, because the group is the breakout group, yeah, and everything like that. But I think this we're in for one of those periods and I agree with your thesis that we've had sort of a 50 year move to the new game period of history. \n\nDean: Okay. \n\nDan: And I think the politics and the economics of the end of the 50 years are radically different than the politics and the economics where you started the 50 years. That would have been true from 1950, from 1900 to 1950. \n\nDean: And that was something. Let's talk about that for a minute, because there might be some clues into what happened. \n\nDan: Well, there were no empire in the 1900, the whole world was organized according to empires. There were six or seven major empires by 1950. They were all gone. All those empires had gone away. Okay, I mean, great Britain still retained a global reach that used to be their empire, but it was now called the Commonwealth. Okay, and it wasn't British troops being stationed in those places. \n\nDean: You, know it was this that they. \n\nDan: What held it together was British law and British political structures, and English language and the pound, you know the. \n\nDean: I mean franchise basically. It was a franchise, ideological, political. \n\nDan: Yeah, and the US changed the least of all those countries. I mean from a lifestyle standpoint. It changed a lot of technological, but it's basic structure and process of how the country is run stayed exactly the same. It was the Constitution in 1900. And it was the Constitution in 1950 and then 2020. And it was designed as a franchise nation right from the beginning, because each of the states is like a little fractal copy of the federal government, you know so and each of the states gets to adjust to the way that they deem important. \n\nYou know, it's, it's everything. So I think, of all the people on the planet who have had to change the least over the last 50 years, I think Americans are the number one. \n\nDean: You say well, what do you mean? \n\nDan: I mean I had to do this and I had to do this and I said, yeah, that's yours, you know, I bet you have more conveniences, you have more comfort, you have more capabilities, but I would say your day to day life is not that much different, because it's so there's a guy on YouTube who has a channel where for years he's branched off into other areas now, but his main thing was, as a solo guy, just going with a GoPro camera to explore former Soviet territory and right \n\nDean: it was just the guy on YouTube. His channel is called Bald and Bankrupt oh the guy. But he goes around and he gives you. He just goes and sees, like what is life like in Uzbekistan right now? You know like he goes and tours the areas and he's fascinated by the you know, soviet mosaics and the all the remnants of, you know grander times for Soviet it's all ruined, it's all ruined, absolutely. \n\nAnd so you see the day in a life of people because he goes and sort of, he speaks Russian well enough to get by. \n\nDan: Get along. \n\nDean: Yeah, and he'd be friends he'd be friends, locals and gets invited into their homes. And you know, you just see like what? What an amazing contrast to life in America. You know a capitalism life, then life after you know communism, where capitalism hasn't fully sunk in, even though it's an option, it hasn't sunk in. You know, in that way, and how desolate you know it's. The landscape is just bleak. You know, I mean everything is in this and and the roads and the infrastructure and everything is just crumbling and the bar resilient, I guess, in a way, right, yeah, there's a lot of, there's a lot of. They're living normal life. Not I wouldn't say normal, but I mean normal. To that normal, no, normal, they consider it normal. They consider it normal. Yeah, yeah, normal life, yeah yeah, yeah, the. \n\nDan: there was an article I read about twin sisters born in Germany, born before the wall went up, so this would be and, and one of them said, you know, we've got to get out. And they were. You know, they were young, very young at that time. And so the one with a lot of initiative did it and she was leaving behind her twin sister, who she was unusually close to, that close to, and she moved to the West Germany and other sister stayed in East Germany and they would correspond and they're under, you know, under very difficult conditions. They were able to visit with each other. \n\nThe sister in East Germany couldn't go to the West but there was provisions that, you know, families could reunite for half a day or something like that. So, anyway, and then then the sister, who was, you know, more motivated, then got a chance to move to the United States and she moved to Iowa. Okay, and at a certain point, when the wall fell, you know, which was 1989, the sister, they made this. It took a year to plan it and everything else, just practically, because the sister in Germany just wasn't used to going anywhere. \n\nAnd they finally they flew to. She flew to Chicago and then to Iowa, and so they picked her up at the airport and she they were just driving from the airport to wherever the woman lived in Iowa the now American sister and they were going through just a normal supper and she said you're taking me through the wealthy section, Now you take. \n\nAnd they said this isn't the wealthy session, this is just no, this is just, this is just the way everything normal, yeah this is normal and that more or less paralyzed the sister because she had no mental structure to take in that this was just the way that Americans lived. \n\nAnd then they went to a supermarket, you know which was probably the land size of two football fields, you know, and just a normal, super, nothing special. I mean, yeah, and so they walked in, they says we've got a lot of shopping to do and everything. And she says, well, is there anything I can do? And she says, well, look about the aisles there, you see. You know, there's aisles one through 20, and just go to aisle number 11 and just turn the corner, you know, and take string with you, so he or lead, lead, bread, breadcrumbs, and so she says, but we're looking for corn flakes, some, of course, like. So anyway, and they agree, and they're both punctual, they're German. And so she says you know, in 20 minutes let's just meet right back here. And so the American sister is there, but the German sister, the East German sister, isn't. So she goes down to aisle 11 and her sister is right where the corn flakes were standing, mute. \n\nYou know just looking at the corn flakes and she said there's 10 different kinds of corn flakes. How can I possibly choose? And she said I just grab one of them. And she said I can't comprehend. How do you make decisions here? How do you make? Decisions yeah yeah, it's a collision of two normals. \n\nDean: Yes, you want. I mean Lupa talked about that coming to. America and going to the grocery store as you know like going just seeing all the things that were available. It's amazing. It's really interesting to hear her talk about her awakening to capitalism you know like as a because she came to America at 18, you know, or you know 20, I guess she was 20. \n\nDan: And yeah seeing having her life Anying. Other siblings followed her yeah. \n\nDean: Oh, she brought everybody, yeah, everybody over, but that yeah, she just well, I think, I think you have a different level of well, she's really the you know she's the. \n\nDan: You know the great exhibit here of someone, the adaptation curve, you know. I mean she just like it was like when she had the chance. She didn't miss the chance to get out. \n\nDean: But what I? \n\nDan: remember most about her story because we were out to dinner a couple of times at the last free zone in Palm. \n\nDean: Beach. \n\nDan: And what I remember most was that the person who most protected their rather odd family in the Ukraine in Ukraine, was a KGB agent. \n\nDean: Oh yeah. \n\nDan: And you know so you know everything. You know what makes people normal is who they're connected to. You know what, who, are you? \n\nconnected to, and you know, the more you're connected to people who have wider perspective than have greater capabilities, I think it's the faster you're able to adapt. Agreed, I think that's what I mean, since I talk to you all the time. What am I going to do? Wying about COVID? Yeah, I mean, regardless how I'm picking, you know, I've got a certain status to get to maintain. You know, reputation to maintain, yeah, yeah. \n\nDean: I love it. I think the interesting thing, about MacCamp. We to think about this week is this in the context of the golden plateau that we're reaching here, and how to thrive in that golden Well, I think things are going to fall down, you know my my military money, energy, labor and transport you know, I think things are definitely. \n\nDan: I can sense that things are slowing down. Like you know, the predictions in the high tech industry everything's going to get bigger and better, and that's you know, it's a straight upward line. Yeah but I too in infinity, and I says I don't think so, I think the mouth. Things really slowed down when they hit 1950. Oh, you know, I remember it as being a fairly tranquil period of 1950s, 1960s. \n\nYou know, I agree, that's what I mean is very until you were born, and then, of course, things started to get in line and things shifted Right. Yeah, but I know I agree with you 100%. \n\nDean: That was a. You know that all of that leveled into a stage of, you know, a plateauing of advancement. I mean, it wasn't, it was. You know, all those things you read about in the big change, those things were revolutionary. I mean, so all these baby boomers born into this plateau, that plateau, really didn't know a world before those big things, before electricity, television, all television, air conditioning, cars, roads, all of that. And then they grew up in brand new schools all the way up. You know the whole thing. \n\nDan: Whole new neighborhoods. You know, they grew up in whole new neighborhoods, yeah. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, I think we're into that period again. I think we're going to you know go. And I was thinking that when people say bold things like cars, use an example of cars, of classic old time cars. You don't notice many classical cars that were produced too much after the fifties up until the eighties, you know right. \n\nYou really to pick up on the late forties the forts were beautiful, the Chevy's were beautiful, the Lincoln's were beautiful and everything else, and they are saved because they didn't really they stylized, they certainly did not approve. I can think of only maybe two cars. I'm not a car guy, so your thing, but you know, and one is the Chevy Corvette which has maintained a certain classic look for 70 years, and the other one is the Camaro, both the Chevy and the Camaro, the Camaro is you know, is a hot car, but I can't think of any other. \n\nyou know again, I'm not a car person, so I'm basing my confidence on ignorance here. But anyway, but the big thing is, but the fort thirties and forties is just full of these old classic cars. You know, and I think it was a high design period and you know, and I mean we certainly don't save any technology that much from that period of time. You know well it was not over. Tonight I've got, I still got my 19 Motorola television and oh, yeah, no exactly Six, six inches. \n\nAnd you know and everything like that. You know, nobody does that, but they do have radios from the forties. You know, people do have radios from the thirties and forties, you know, yeah, yeah, anyway. So how would we sum up today? Because we've shot through an hour and record time. I can't believe it. \n\nDean: Well, I think my reflection right now is really going to be, I think, drawing the parallel, looking at who and what were the conditions for thriving in the period from the fifties to the eighties, you know, and on that, on the back of all of that advancement, and I think, if we're going to start doing some guessing and betting about what's going to thrive in the next 25 years, you know that we've reached this thing and I'm going to let it ride out to 20 as the peak of the plateau kind of, and see that period from, I think the period from 25 to 50, that 25 years is going to be. \n\nThere's going to be a lot of parallels, I think, yeah, yeah, my sense is. \n\nDan: I can just end with one little example from a 10 times connector I had. On Friday I was in a break up with three people. One of them was a marketer, one of them was a podcaster, and I'm just. The other one was an online educational company two women and a man and half their sharing was the progress they've made with AI during 2023. Okay, yeah. \n\nAnd I was very struck by their reports because they just talked about it and they were just talking normally about something that literally did not exist before November 30th last year. \n\nDean: Okay, yeah. \n\nDan: They were just talking as well. We're doing this with AI, we're doing this with AI, we're doing this with AI, and it was like yeah, we're saying, yeah, and we did this, we're doing this with electricity. We're doing this with electricity Right, right, exactly. And now I said I've gotten a keen insight just by your reports. Today you're sharing that this is what's going on in tens, hundreds of millions of places right now, and it's all subsurface, it's all below the surface. Okay. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: And they're not talking about it as a big thing, they're just talking about it as a normal thing. \n\nDean: Right. That's why I say by if we that and I think that's going to be expanded that if we that, by then this to 2025, that by then it's going to be, everybody's going to have a sense of what this is. You know, I think you're absolutely right Like we're literally just a year into AI. \n\nDan: Yeah, I mean that's, I can see the report. I can just see the reports that are being written about our conversation today at the NSA. Oh, my goodness, people say we've got to have a meeting, we've got to have a meeting. \n\nDean: They're on, they're on. \n\nDan: They're not onto us. They're onto things that we didn't know about. Yeah, and what was the Roman Empire anyway? Is that an empire we should be paying attention to? Do we have contacts with Alrighty? \n\nDean: Dean. Yeah, all right, I'll be here next week. I think I am. I'll be back in Toronto. \n\nDan: I'll certainly be. I'll be in a position. Perfect, I will talk to you then. Thanks, dean, bye, Okay. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn today\u0026#39;s episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we discuss some intriguing impacts of the COVID-19 pandemic on our lives and businesses. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe explore the shift to virtual platforms like Zoom and the concept of \u0026quot;Cloudlandia,\u0026quot; drawing comparisons to changes brought about by historical pandemics. Dan and I consider opportunities that can emerge from unexpected times. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOur discussion ranges from societal shifts driven by technologies in the past to possibilities of the future. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDean talks about the transformative effects of the COVID-19 pandemic, including transitioning from live events to digital platforms, and the potential opportunities arising from these changes.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDan brings historical context to the discussion, comparing the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic to historical events such as the Black Plague and the Roman Empire.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe explore the power of technology and how it has reshaped society, from cars to cable TV, and the upcoming \u0026quot;golden plateau\u0026quot; in technological advancements.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe delve into the world of virtual coaching and how the pandemic has highlighted its untapped potential.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDan discusses the human nature and how it remains constant throughout history, reflecting on significant technological changes in the 20th century and their effects on society.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe consider the concept of a \u0026quot;golden plateau\u0026quot; in technological advancements, discussing the impact on our lives and how the COVID-19 pandemic has affected our reliance on technology.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDean shares his experience with transitioning to virtual workshops and how Zoom meetings might herald a new era in history.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDan shares a fascinating narrative about twin sisters born in Germany before the Berlin Wall, exploring their life choices, and their adaptation to a rapidly changing world, underscoring the intersection of history, capitalism, and technology.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe discuss the concept of normalization, how individuals adapt differently to new situations, and how we\u0026#39;ve navigated the trials and triumphs of life during the pandemic.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDan offers insights into how the shift from serfdom in England during the Black Plague led to a greater appreciation of workers\u0026#39; value, and how this historical perspective may shed light on our current situation.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Sullivan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you realize that the recordings of everything we say are being analyzed right now at the National Security Agency? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I bet that\u0026#39;s true, don\u0026#39;t doubt this for a minute. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s the best part of their week. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Hey guys, they\u0026#39;re back Down the road. That\u0026#39;s funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They don\u0026#39;t think it\u0026#39;s funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh man. Well, how are you after our absence last week? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, it\u0026#39;s been great. You know things are company-wise. It\u0026#39;s our best year ever, top line and bottom line, oh look at you Congratulations. That\u0026#39;s exciting. Given where we were two, three years ago, this feels good. That was a long time underwater, yeah boy, oh boy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Me too, I mean. Much like you, the majority of a lot of my income came from live events, like during my break through the blue 20 events and stuff like that. So yeah, it\u0026#39;s weird, I\u0026#39;m just talking about it the other day that you know what was kind of this last year. It\u0026#39;s almost coming up on 2021, 22 to almost four full years, right, yeah? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e next. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e If you think 20 was when it started, right. So yeah, almost all yeah, here almost all of 2023. But I look at the last three, it\u0026#39;s been a blur. This last seems like just yesterday. We were in Phoenix at the Free Zone Summit. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e At the Boulder, yeah, at the Boulder, it wasn\u0026#39;t shut down. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But I think what was really, what really threw me off was we nobody knew how long this was going to last and every I just felt like, okay, well, we\u0026#39;ll just kind of flatten the curve, this will go out through the summer and then by the fall we\u0026#39;ll be back and everything should be fine, but I\u0026#39;m sure you were thinking that same thing and then, as soon as we flattened the curve, then we kept getting the new you know the new waves, and that went on, like you know, three, three or four times. So weird. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So let me ask you a question what\u0026#39;s the biggest idea you\u0026#39;ve had? Only because you went through what happened over the last three years, three, four years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think the whole idea of Cloudlandia really formed then. Because that when I realized that the key is that we could just as easily gather in Cloudlandia and that I shifted everything from being kind of a mainland in-person business to being 80% mainland in-person, 20% on the phone or otherwise, and that was a big realization, and now realize, like I really I haven\u0026#39;t been North of I4, interstate 4. I\u0026#39;ve been North of I4 in four years. I haven\u0026#39;t had to. I\u0026#39;ve 100% migrated to Cloudlandia with invitations and you know people coming to. If they want to spend time in the mainland they come to. But so that was a big that was a big shift. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd we\u0026#39;re back now to. So I\u0026#39;m back now, you know, revenue wise, back to pre-COVID days, you know. But then we got. You know, I think that the future is a hybrid, you know, I think there\u0026#39;s still lots of mainland opportunities, I think, that line of thinking, that realization of mainland in Cloudlandia, and you know the roles of each. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know it\u0026#39;s really interesting. I did a lot of in-person workshops because I was doing the 10 times program beforehand, but this year I\u0026#39;ll do 64 coaching sessions. Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Live days, you mean. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, live events, so they\u0026#39;re not days, sorry. So I\u0026#39;ll do 64 this year, and only eight of them will be in person. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, okay, that\u0026#39;s what I was saying, that\u0026#39;s what I meant. So you\u0026#39;re counting like connector calls Connector. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, yeah. And the thing about it I think are a nice suite. Those are two hours. Two hours yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, those are the perfect suite spot. Yeah, and it was forced upon us only because we had no. There\u0026#39;s nothing as decisive as no alternative, absolutely. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I hear you, I\u0026#39;m really excited. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But once we created this alternative when we came back to full-time, I mean, the company as a whole is back to full-time live sessions, yeah, and. But we\u0026#39;ve added these two-hour sessions, which were only possible because our clients at nightbase got on to Zoom willingly or not, they got on to Zoom. And it was so useful creating these little two-hour sessions. That\u0026#39;s a huge plus, that\u0026#39;s a huge gain for us to have them and they\u0026#39;re an entity into themselves. You know they have their own value and would not have gone there for two reasons. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOne there was no reason to. And secondly, there was no, there was no ability to, but we acquired this capability because of what happened. I was reading the history of the plague, which was not a single thing. It was a series. Of this is I\u0026#39;m talking about the 1200s and 13-legs, right, yeah? On the Black Plague and it hit in the early part of. It hit worse in England of all the European countries and got hit worse. And England was a feudal country. They had warlords and they had serfs. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey had peasants, the king was warlord and there were lesser warlords, but each of them had their serf universe around them, and these were the worker bees. They did all the work and the plague was an equal opportunity killer. It killed from top to bottom. There was no class in England that was immune to the plague, because it was infectious, because they intermingled all the time. Everybody was densely populated and it was so devastating that a lot of estates just folded up, a lot of warlord estates folded up because they didn\u0026#39;t have workers. They didn\u0026#39;t have workers. They had lost so many workers. So what happened is that the workers realized suddenly that they had a value, in other words, that you can\u0026#39;t run the place without us. And so they started wandering the field to the highest buyer, the person who would pay them the most and give them the best deal. So in history. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eit\u0026#39;s probably the biggest shift of servants becoming three agents and where they went off the land and they went into the towns. They went into the city and they became hired workers. But they could name their price, because if they didn\u0026#39;t like the price, they could go to somebody else and say would you offer me a higher price? And what happened is that the merchant classes suddenly became more important than the landed aristocrats. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOkay, because they had business coming in. Where the land has one economic system, it\u0026#39;s the crops. And they just decided you know, I couldn\u0026#39;t do that. But previous to the plague they were condemned to the land, they were condemned to their occupation. They were condemned to the land, they didn\u0026#39;t move. But after the plague they did. And so England which got hit the worst I think they had five plagues in a period of 50 or 60 years and all equally devastating. But they gained the most of the country because they got rid of serfdom in the 1200s where, for example, by comparison, in Russia it didn\u0026#39;t happen until the beginning of the 20th century and Germany didn\u0026#39;t happen until 1850. Okay, and it was just because of the peculiar geography and the peculiar density of the British population. And then they started talking about rights. They started talking about individual rights and everything along with employment, and freedom follows money. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut I was just thinking about that, what it must have been like the year before the first plague and the year after the fifth plague. What had happened to people\u0026#39;s lives back then? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean it\u0026#39;s so fascinating to me, Dan, because I remember in college and high school Western civ classes were like get through that and write your Gordon Rule essay and we\u0026#39;ve gone with it. And here it wasn\u0026#39;t really like figuring out of the supply to you. To me as a college kid, that\u0026#39;s what you\u0026#39;re thinking, but now it\u0026#39;s. The thing that fascinates me is this whole history of Western civilization, of how we kind of came into this thing. There\u0026#39;s a funny meme going around on TikTok right now where women ask their husbands or boyfriends or whatever how often do you think about the Roman Empire? The meme is to turn your camera on and just ask your husband or whatever how often do you think about the Roman Empire? And it\u0026#39;s pretty interesting because the answers that they\u0026#39;re giving like a lot of them, are think about it all the time and you think about how much it came from. You know, came from. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And they didn\u0026#39;t know, and the way they didn\u0026#39;t know. Yeah, exactly, yeah, exactly. That\u0026#39;s what are they thinking? About they\u0026#39;re thinking about the Roman Empire. That\u0026#39;s the Roman Empire. Now, that shocks me actually. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But you strike me as a guy who often thinks about the Roman Empire, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I do. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Not many people, dan, I don\u0026#39;t know anybody else to have a conversation that starts up. You know I\u0026#39;ve been thinking about the Black Plague lately. Yeah, only here, welcome to the Blue Land, because you hear such a conversation, that is you know, we just had about five. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We just had about five tripwires at the National Security Agency. But if we didn\u0026#39;t know, that the majority of husbands were thinking about the Roman Empire you know, it\u0026#39;s kind of like when have we been? We didn\u0026#39;t pick up on this Right. What\u0026#39;s that mean? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but you know the interests that they were giving was. You know one? A couple of the guys were engineers and they constantly thinking about you know the. Roman Empire thinking about others are the one guy\u0026#39;s. They was a martial artist. Thinking about the Roman, you know gladiators and Like constantly thinking about all things. The Rome, you know and it\u0026#39;s funny because you\u0026#39;re, you know. You look at your Euclid, you know yeah, I\u0026#39;m before the Roman your foundational thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, exactly, but I mean, I mean actually if there was any Civilization that benefited from Euclid, it was the Romans. They were great builders. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, you know, yeah, and all that depended upon the books of Euclid, every everything that they did. Yeah, well, it\u0026#39;s an interesting thing. You know, I have a constant belief that human nature is a constant in the. I mean, we tend to think that people are radically different because of the means that they use at one particular era of you know history from another side that well, that that means they were really different people, and I said I don\u0026#39;t think they are. I think they have a constant. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know they have a constant motivation to kind of utilize whatever they have available to them, and Oftentimes that requires that they have to create an entirely new structures and new processes, and and so the so you know, I don\u0026#39;t feel, you know like I was born in the 40s, I lived, you know, I was conscious beginning in the 50s and my sense is that, as far as how people were, you know what human nature was, I don\u0026#39;t see much of a difference. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI certainly don\u0026#39;t see it in myself, you know, I just sample of one feel any different. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I Think I still. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m very much in touch who I was when I was eight years old. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, me too. Yeah, I think about that a lot like that, because I have been and we\u0026#39;ve had conversations about the reflection on. You know, I think you know we\u0026#39;ve had to be the ages your 22 years older. Than me that you\u0026#39;ve had a whole mother. You know generation of, you know the experience from 1944 to 1966 with the pretty. That\u0026#39;s a pretty, yeah, that\u0026#39;s a lot of happen. You know, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, and I look at the. You know the 22 years from 1966 to 88 were really. I marked 1988 as basically the end of the analog life. You know that that the beginning of the digital live, and though digital stuff kind of start happening in 70s, there was a real practical here. We started getting real practical applications of digital stuff. But that first 22 years of my life was Really analog and I\u0026#39;m thankful that I had that experience, because I think there\u0026#39;s something you know to that. I don\u0026#39;t know whether it, I don\u0026#39;t know practically, whether what we you know the fondness that I feel for either Nostalgic or you know, but it was a different, it was a different world. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It was a very different world yeah. Yeah, well, going on that book, the, you know the big change you know, yeah, from the book, wonderful book that you sent me, which I consume. You know the. I was born right at the payoff period of the first 50 years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s it. Yeah and you know I\u0026#39;ve been talking to people decades older than myself who had gone through the real huge impact of the you know, the cars, the electricity, the you know light everywhere. You know movies, radio, movies, radio and the beginning of television. You know that and you know, you know I mean. I remember People gathering in rooms to watch this thing called television. You know, I remember you know it was like a big event. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We just got our television. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e come on over, we\u0026#39;re going to have a buffet dinner and we\u0026#39;re all going to sit around and watch our. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e TV dinners and jiffy pop popcorn, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It was rudimentary, I mean, but the big thing about it was it had a liveliness to it because the Programs were not recorded, they were live. No, everything was still live. And you know and think about where we are now. That Live TV. Well, first of all, I don\u0026#39;t watch it in the heaven for a while. But I think a lot of people just said why should they schedule when I get to watch what I want? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it seems a little undignified. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it seems it seems feudal Feudal in both senses of the word. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, what a feudal way of doing what I want to watch, you know, but you think about that was largely there was no change between the way you were watching television in 1948 and the way you were watching television in 1988. It was really the main. It was still as Scheduled you had to be yeah, you had maybe one more. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You had maybe one more channel, you know I went to. Cnn start. Well then you had the cable. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s what I mean. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e At the 80s you had more options for it. Yeah, but it wasn\u0026#39;t until it wasn\u0026#39;t until the late 80s that you had more option. I mean, the VCR brought a synchronicity and, yeah, freed you from at least you could shoot, gave you choice and Detached from the scheduling of it. But nobody could figure out how to Record stuff. Yeah it was a look. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, 90% of the VCRs were still flashing 12 yeah, you know nobody can even program the clock for it, let alone Learn how to record Programs. You know so mostly. You had Blockbuster to go and give yourself some Choice, but that took from 1948 to 1988 to get to that point. And that big middle, that big Golden plateau, that I think that\u0026#39;s a good term for it. Right, is that golden? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e plateau of. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e0:18:39 - \u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAll of those things being in place. That happened in the big change. All those things you mentioned electric and on radio, tv, movies, flight, automobile, all of those things climb, climb, exponential improvement to 1950. And then we had that golden plateau where there wasn\u0026#39;t much innovation on those things but it was really settled into a much improved life and life style Because of those things. You know now every I had electricity, air conditioning, telephone, car in the driveway, pv in the living room. You know All of those things were. That was like the basic, that was the basic amenity package for American life circa 1950 to 1980, you know, yeah, and that\u0026#39;s bathroom bathroom is where there was no bath and no shower. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003eYeah, right exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Very funny that the thing now and this is where I firmly believe that period from 1975 to two-week years of AI, a couple more years to develop, with that same sort of climbing, climbing, exponential improvement in things. But I think that we\u0026#39;re approaching level golden plateau, where the next thing is going to be settled into the benefits of using all the things that we have now, of really settling into those utilization of this new baseline, like every home. Now it\u0026#39;s interesting that the basic amenity package for life now includes some sort of a smart phone, access to the internet and streaming smart television service. So all of that as the baseline package, though for the digital plateau here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s pretty exciting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and I feel that, and I think that World Affairs are dictating that this is now going to be the only thing available for people to do, because my feeling is that COVID delivered a first stunning blow to both your ability and your desire to travel. I think people are much more at home or stay in place today than they were four years ago around the world. I\u0026#39;m not just in North America, but in the whole world. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That geography does come into place, right, like your position, your outpost, your mainland outpost to Cloudlandia, like I think about I\u0026#39;ve just been watching you know, with just a perplexing. I can\u0026#39;t even imagine what it\u0026#39;s like to be living in Israel right now, like that entire, or Ukraine I mean you think about these things how insulated we are right now from the reality. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, like there\u0026#39;s one aspect. You know, israel comparatively has a very small population. That\u0026#39;s why the equivalent of what happened with the first 24 to 48 hours was way beyond what 9-11 did to the United States. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Absolutely yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, because it\u0026#39;s the equivalent of 40,000, you know if you compare. Israeli population of the US. You know, the US\u0026#39;s population is 45 times bigger than Israel. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo the 3,000 out of 40, you know, 45 times it\u0026#39;s significant, but it\u0026#39;s, you know, it\u0026#39;s not that big, it\u0026#39;s like 40,000, I mean, if you wanted to translate it, it\u0026#39;s like, you know, it\u0026#39;s like 40 to 50,000 people have died. But the other thing is the call up to war, because it is a declared war. They\u0026#39;ve moved 300,000 working-age people into the military, now their full-time military. So what\u0026#39;s that do to the economy? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eyou know what\u0026#39;s you know, and so my sense is that Israel, which is a very advanced technological country, is now going to go through an amazing period of artificial intelligence, dealt with everything that moves in their economy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean when you amplify too, especially the proximity to it. When you look at the, you know it might be a 145th of the population, but it\u0026#39;s also, you know, a hundredth or less of the geographic area of the. United States, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s basically New Jersey you know, I mean the land area of New Jersey is about equal to and they\u0026#39;re comparable yeah, yeah and when you look at that and you realize that\u0026#39;s not like even in Ukraine. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e As you know the size of the Ukraine, if you\u0026#39;re you know kind of there\u0026#39;s a place to distance from what\u0026#39;s going on the eastern border of Ukraine. If you\u0026#39;re on the western side you\u0026#39;re kind of a little bit insulated from it. But you know, it\u0026#39;s just. It\u0026#39;s amazing to me, dan. I can\u0026#39;t even imagine. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, you know actually my experience of this because I was, you know, technically in a war zone when I was in South Korea. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I was going to say you were in a war zone. Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, south Korea, and we were maybe a hundred miles from the DMZ, okay, uh-huh, but you were conscious and we had five alerts in the year and a half that I was there and that meant there was an incursion on the DMZ, the demilitarized zone. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI can tell you the demilitarized zone is very militarized, you know, and so there would be, you know, a squad of American troops or the other UN troops would be ambushed. You know they would ambush, and immediately the country you know, and this was the military, the US Park, you know 40, 45,000, and then you had. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know you had other troops, the Turks, the Turkish. The Turks had a big contingent there, but immediately you knew what to do, you would do that. So in Israel they\u0026#39;ve had the rocket attacks now going back seven or eight years. Okay, and they immediately the sirens go off. Everybody knows what to do. So there I was, that the closer you are to the danger, the less scary it seems, because it\u0026#39;s normal, you\u0026#39;ve normalized anything. And three or four days, you\u0026#39;ve normalized the situation. Okay, you\u0026#39;ve normalized it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSeeing it from a distance, you know you\u0026#39;re imagining what that situation would do to the Four Seasons, right, yeah? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m sitting like I\u0026#39;m in my courtyard right now and it\u0026#39;s just, it\u0026#39;s the perfect temperature. It\u0026#39;s so quiet, you know, because there\u0026#39;s nothing around me. I just can\u0026#39;t even imagine if bombs started landing or somebody started running through the neighborhood. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but on the other hand, I mean, you\u0026#39;ve been there for decades, you know in the area and you have. You know what? Two, three hurricane alerts a year. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, people in people in Toronto. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean a hurricane for people in Toronto, oh yeah. You know, actually almost the entire what I would say. The the water overflow situation in Toronto was hugely created because of a hurricane in the 1950s that killed 200 people in Toronto because of sudden rushing water in parts of the city where people were caught. It was like a riptide. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know it was like a riptide and they had to reconfigure their entire drainage system. You know when heavy rains and everything like that. So that\u0026#39;s an example, you know, an example of someplace that doesn\u0026#39;t have this kind of situation. When they get a big one, they have to rethink everything. You know. And but the type of a situation we had in Toronto in 1953, I wasn\u0026#39;t here, but as a matter of fact, I\u0026#39;m not here today, I\u0026#39;m in Chicago. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But just talking about it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know I try to get some distance between me and any potential problem, but you know I mean it\u0026#39;s a violation of normal and in Israel, my feeling when I was there it\u0026#39;s been about two and a half weeks in Israel and I got a sense that everybody knew what to do with trouble. Okay, they knew what to do with. There was a kibbutz that we visited and these people had been in Gaza, that they had lived in Gaza before it was given back to the Palestinians 2005, 2006, I think it might have been somewhere around there and they were talking. The woman said that there was the start of trouble had started and there were bombings and there were shootings and she had three kids and they went out the front door and she heard the bombs, she heard the shooting and they all came rushing back in and they said they\u0026#39;re shooting in the streets and she said, well, go out the back. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNo, out the back, wow and the reason is, I mean, they had already rehearsed it, but they had to go to school. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, go help the back. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, yeah, she said well just go out, just go out. They had a back gate and no, there was a back route and everything like that so what it says is that having something like this happened was the normal part of their experience Right, yeah, that\u0026#39;s just and they were all tacking every. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe were up at the Lebanese border and we just visited this community. That\u0026#39;s the furthest northern, most Israeli settlement town. You know, it\u0026#39;s not big, you know, a couple hundred people. Everybody was packing, everybody had a six-quat, you know. And so funny because there was a UN troop between them and the Whoever was on the other side of the border and and he said aren\u0026#39;t you scared? He says I\u0026#39;ll tell you who\u0026#39;s scared, as the UN people, they\u0026#39;re really scared. Okay, because we kind of believe that they favor the Terrorists. You know, our belief is that the UN protects the terrorists, you know. But if you went to the northern, above the border and you asked the Lebanese, they said we feel that the UN Favors the Israelis. You know, uh-huh. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo I said if trouble starts off, who gets shot first? I? He says, well, the UN troops. And he says I even got a guy on the shoot. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh my goodness I\u0026#39;ve got a guy I know the guy right Normalizing no I don\u0026#39;t know how to yeah no, normal is normal. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, we\u0026#39;re great normalizing species. Humans are a normalizing species. You know that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Reminded me of. There was a cartoon where the, the Cheap dog and the wolf were, you know, clocking in for their job. Today, fred, they ask each other at the clock in, and then they did work. He tried to steal the sheep and he tried and foil them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, yeah what\u0026#39;d you do last time? What\u0026#39;d you do tonight? Last night, you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e know, you know what are you gonna do what? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e what are you gonna do today? Oh, you know the usual, yeah. And so people, you know you, you know real, realize that we were standing in line. We came through the Toronto security yesterday and and if you were, if you had nexus or you had what\u0026#39;s the general term for nexus is where they yeah, yeah. I get global entry. I just look, you know, and they\u0026#39;re really. The Machines are really sophisticated. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eUse, come up the machine yeah it has an arrow going upwards and said look into the camera. And I looked into the camera and there was about a five seconds. Say your identity, you know, you\u0026#39;re confirmed. Yeah, and see the an art, you know. And that\u0026#39;s become normal. Yeah, but in the not because we find business class and we have nexus and the other thing people were having to take off their shoes. Okay, yeah, this is 2024, and they have to take off their shoes to go through, you know, to go through the machine and and I said this was because one guy, one guy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, 25 years he was fine from London to New York and he was trying to detonate his shoes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd and he was a clutch, and so they caught him and they took him away, and immediately, because of one guy not two in two different situations, but one guy in one situation he had immediately. Everybody has to take off their shoes. It\u0026#39;s just one guy. You know why don\u0026#39;t you have a little area where you have to walk across? You know it\u0026#39;s on the floor and it can detect explosives you know, and it\u0026#39;s a trapdoor, so they immediately drop you into the. The cleaner, the cleaner who was that? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Land security right, yeah, yeah who was that guy? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I said we\u0026#39;ll never know. We\u0026#39;ll never know. Yeah, but it\u0026#39;s interesting and you know it\u0026#39;s a pain, you know, and that\u0026#39;s why we have nexus and that\u0026#39;s why we\u0026#39;ve adapted cloudland via Bypass. You know, the machine knows me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, that\u0026#39;s it\u0026#39;s really important is that the machine knows you. Yeah, but there\u0026#39;s a thing about normalizing, you know, and but my feeling you know the famous, you know it\u0026#39;s the adaptation curve, you know it\u0026#39;s a yeah, you know it starts at one end, then there\u0026#39;s a big bulge and then it goes down the other end my sense is that people\u0026#39;s ability to normalize is unequal. I think you and I are pretty fast to normalize. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think the two of us and that and it\u0026#39;s a reward for being a DD you think, yeah, I think so too, you\u0026#39;re probably right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, that\u0026#39;s an interesting thought. Lon, lon, quick start, lon, quick start a DD. I think you normalize really fast. You know, I normalize really fast yeah. I remember it was Friday, the 13th of March, when I was in Chicago, and it\u0026#39;s funny because Friday was the 13th. This is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSunday, but we\u0026#39;re talking, yeah, and, and I was coaching a workshop, but it was about 60% of what its normal numbers were. You know, I think we normally had 50 and I think we had maybe 30. And then when we got together After the workshop, before Babs and I went home to flew back home to Toronto, she says we\u0026#39;ve had a powwow all the leadership in the company and we\u0026#39;ve decided we\u0026#39;re gonna have to close down All workshops for three months. Okay, it\u0026#39;s March, we\u0026#39;re gonna close down all workshops until, because we\u0026#39;re people just aren\u0026#39;t going to be showing up and I need to put the word out that we\u0026#39;re not gonna do it that time and. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI was tired, I\u0026#39;d done four workshops a week, and so we went to the airport, we got on the plane and I\u0026#39;m Halfway home and I said zoom, we\u0026#39;re gonna switch over to zoom. This is the opportunity switch over, zoom. And I hit the ground the next morning. Well, it was Saturday, but by Monday I said okay, what will it take to turn everything we do 100% into zoom? Yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI and we have clients today who we haven\u0026#39;t seen Since early 2020, who still haven\u0026#39;t made the adjustment right. Yeah, I think they can\u0026#39;t normalize and what it? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e was. I think that when I first started doing zoom I Was doing, I was trying to do the same thing as the break through blueprint, but by zoom, like three days, same thing. We\u0026#39;re just, instead of being in the boardroom, you\u0026#39;re in your home, you know, and I think we realized about Zoom fatigue kind of thing. It\u0026#39;s sitting three days in zoom Full day is a long with a big ass, and I think that you and I both have come to the realization that like two hours more frequently is the is a better Two hours is the right amount of time and I found this beautiful time zone From three o\u0026#39;clock to five o\u0026#39;clock Eastern time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHe gets me. I go to Hawaii on one end, even to the you know, this side of Australia where it\u0026#39;s six am, you know, at three pm in the afternoon, all the way to Lichtenstein on the other end where it\u0026#39;s, you know, ten o\u0026#39;clock at night. That Swap of the Western world is really what\u0026#39;s available in yeah, and. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s our. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, our stretches from Pakistan, Well, stretches from Mumbai, because Mumbai is further to the east and Pakistan to New Zealand, and I\u0026#39;m just saying people who show up for zoom cults. You know the? Yeah, yeah yeah and everything. Yeah, lichtenstein, that\u0026#39;s really interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Do whites, do well often they\u0026#39;re husbands. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s perfect. Nsa that\u0026#39;s a money laundering. We have the very first space. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So I started doing this specific like I do a lead conversion workshop and a lead generation workshop, which are four sessions specifically about that micro topic, two hours each four weeks in a row and the very first one that I did. We had someone from Hawaii and Lichtenstein and all points in between. It was really the perfect thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean we adjusted throughout the day depending on our, you know. I mean I\u0026#39;ll have six free zones, six free zone, two hour free zone. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;d love quarter. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Connector calls are amazing and if they\u0026#39;re big you know they have a lot of people they take on one quality, and if they\u0026#39;re like a handful of people, they take on another quality. They\u0026#39;re different for you. You don\u0026#39;t have to have breakout groups if you have five people, you know, because the group is the breakout group, yeah, and everything like that. But I think this we\u0026#39;re in for one of those periods and I agree with your thesis that we\u0026#39;ve had sort of a 50 year move to the new game period of history. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I think the politics and the economics of the end of the 50 years are radically different than the politics and the economics where you started the 50 years. That would have been true from 1950, from 1900 to 1950. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And that was something. Let\u0026#39;s talk about that for a minute, because there might be some clues into what happened. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, there were no empire in the 1900, the whole world was organized according to empires. There were six or seven major empires by 1950. They were all gone. All those empires had gone away. Okay, I mean, great Britain still retained a global reach that used to be their empire, but it was now called the Commonwealth. Okay, and it wasn\u0026#39;t British troops being stationed in those places. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You, know it was this that they. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e What held it together was British law and British political structures, and English language and the pound, you know the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean franchise basically. It was a franchise, ideological, political. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and the US changed the least of all those countries. I mean from a lifestyle standpoint. It changed a lot of technological, but it\u0026#39;s basic structure and process of how the country is run stayed exactly the same. It was the Constitution in 1900. And it was the Constitution in 1950 and then 2020. And it was designed as a franchise nation right from the beginning, because each of the states is like a little fractal copy of the federal government, you know so and each of the states gets to adjust to the way that they deem important. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, it\u0026#39;s, it\u0026#39;s everything. So I think, of all the people on the planet who have had to change the least over the last 50 years, I think Americans are the number one. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You say well, what do you mean? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean I had to do this and I had to do this and I said, yeah, that\u0026#39;s yours, you know, I bet you have more conveniences, you have more comfort, you have more capabilities, but I would say your day to day life is not that much different, because it\u0026#39;s so there\u0026#39;s a guy on YouTube who has a channel where for years he\u0026#39;s branched off into other areas now, but his main thing was, as a solo guy, just going with a GoPro camera to explore former Soviet territory and right \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e it was just the guy on YouTube. His channel is called Bald and Bankrupt oh the guy. But he goes around and he gives you. He just goes and sees, like what is life like in Uzbekistan right now? You know like he goes and tours the areas and he\u0026#39;s fascinated by the you know, soviet mosaics and the all the remnants of, you know grander times for Soviet it\u0026#39;s all ruined, it\u0026#39;s all ruined, absolutely. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd so you see the day in a life of people because he goes and sort of, he speaks Russian well enough to get by. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Get along. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and he\u0026#39;d be friends he\u0026#39;d be friends, locals and gets invited into their homes. And you know, you just see like what? What an amazing contrast to life in America. You know a capitalism life, then life after you know communism, where capitalism hasn\u0026#39;t fully sunk in, even though it\u0026#39;s an option, it hasn\u0026#39;t sunk in. You know, in that way, and how desolate you know it\u0026#39;s. The landscape is just bleak. You know, I mean everything is in this and and the roads and the infrastructure and everything is just crumbling and the bar resilient, I guess, in a way, right, yeah, there\u0026#39;s a lot of, there\u0026#39;s a lot of. They\u0026#39;re living normal life. Not I wouldn\u0026#39;t say normal, but I mean normal. To that normal, no, normal, they consider it normal. They consider it normal. Yeah, yeah, normal life, yeah yeah, yeah, the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e there was an article I read about twin sisters born in Germany, born before the wall went up, so this would be and, and one of them said, you know, we\u0026#39;ve got to get out. And they were. You know, they were young, very young at that time. And so the one with a lot of initiative did it and she was leaving behind her twin sister, who she was unusually close to, that close to, and she moved to the West Germany and other sister stayed in East Germany and they would correspond and they\u0026#39;re under, you know, under very difficult conditions. They were able to visit with each other. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe sister in East Germany couldn\u0026#39;t go to the West but there was provisions that, you know, families could reunite for half a day or something like that. So, anyway, and then then the sister, who was, you know, more motivated, then got a chance to move to the United States and she moved to Iowa. Okay, and at a certain point, when the wall fell, you know, which was 1989, the sister, they made this. It took a year to plan it and everything else, just practically, because the sister in Germany just wasn\u0026#39;t used to going anywhere. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd they finally they flew to. She flew to Chicago and then to Iowa, and so they picked her up at the airport and she they were just driving from the airport to wherever the woman lived in Iowa the now American sister and they were going through just a normal supper and she said you\u0026#39;re taking me through the wealthy section, Now you take. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd they said this isn\u0026#39;t the wealthy session, this is just no, this is just, this is just the way everything normal, yeah this is normal and that more or less paralyzed the sister because she had no mental structure to take in that this was just the way that Americans lived. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then they went to a supermarket, you know which was probably the land size of two football fields, you know, and just a normal, super, nothing special. I mean, yeah, and so they walked in, they says we\u0026#39;ve got a lot of shopping to do and everything. And she says, well, is there anything I can do? And she says, well, look about the aisles there, you see. You know, there\u0026#39;s aisles one through 20, and just go to aisle number 11 and just turn the corner, you know, and take string with you, so he or lead, lead, bread, breadcrumbs, and so she says, but we\u0026#39;re looking for corn flakes, some, of course, like. So anyway, and they agree, and they\u0026#39;re both punctual, they\u0026#39;re German. And so she says you know, in 20 minutes let\u0026#39;s just meet right back here. And so the American sister is there, but the German sister, the East German sister, isn\u0026#39;t. So she goes down to aisle 11 and her sister is right where the corn flakes were standing, mute. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know just looking at the corn flakes and she said there\u0026#39;s 10 different kinds of corn flakes. How can I possibly choose? And she said I just grab one of them. And she said I can\u0026#39;t comprehend. How do you make decisions here? How do you make? Decisions yeah yeah, it\u0026#39;s a collision of two normals. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, you want. I mean Lupa talked about that coming to. America and going to the grocery store as you know like going just seeing all the things that were available. It\u0026#39;s amazing. It\u0026#39;s really interesting to hear her talk about her awakening to capitalism you know like as a because she came to America at 18, you know, or you know 20, I guess she was 20. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And yeah seeing having her life Anying. Other siblings followed her yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, she brought everybody, yeah, everybody over, but that yeah, she just well, I think, I think you have a different level of well, she\u0026#39;s really the you know she\u0026#39;s the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know the great exhibit here of someone, the adaptation curve, you know. I mean she just like it was like when she had the chance. She didn\u0026#39;t miss the chance to get out. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e But what I? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e remember most about her story because we were out to dinner a couple of times at the last free zone in Palm. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Beach. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And what I remember most was that the person who most protected their rather odd family in the Ukraine in Ukraine, was a KGB agent. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And you know so you know everything. You know what makes people normal is who they\u0026#39;re connected to. You know what, who, are you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003econnected to, and you know, the more you\u0026#39;re connected to people who have wider perspective than have greater capabilities, I think it\u0026#39;s the faster you\u0026#39;re able to adapt. Agreed, I think that\u0026#39;s what I mean, since I talk to you all the time. What am I going to do? Wying about COVID? Yeah, I mean, regardless how I\u0026#39;m picking, you know, I\u0026#39;ve got a certain status to get to maintain. You know, reputation to maintain, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I love it. I think the interesting thing, about MacCamp. We to think about this week is this in the context of the golden plateau that we\u0026#39;re reaching here, and how to thrive in that golden Well, I think things are going to fall down, you know my my military money, energy, labor and transport you know, I think things are definitely. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I can sense that things are slowing down. Like you know, the predictions in the high tech industry everything\u0026#39;s going to get bigger and better, and that\u0026#39;s you know, it\u0026#39;s a straight upward line. Yeah but I too in infinity, and I says I don\u0026#39;t think so, I think the mouth. Things really slowed down when they hit 1950. Oh, you know, I remember it as being a fairly tranquil period of 1950s, 1960s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, I agree, that\u0026#39;s what I mean is very until you were born, and then, of course, things started to get in line and things shifted Right. Yeah, but I know I agree with you 100%. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That was a. You know that all of that leveled into a stage of, you know, a plateauing of advancement. I mean, it wasn\u0026#39;t, it was. You know, all those things you read about in the big change, those things were revolutionary. I mean, so all these baby boomers born into this plateau, that plateau, really didn\u0026#39;t know a world before those big things, before electricity, television, all television, air conditioning, cars, roads, all of that. And then they grew up in brand new schools all the way up. You know the whole thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Whole new neighborhoods. You know, they grew up in whole new neighborhoods, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, I think we\u0026#39;re into that period again. I think we\u0026#39;re going to you know go. And I was thinking that when people say bold things like cars, use an example of cars, of classic old time cars. You don\u0026#39;t notice many classical cars that were produced too much after the fifties up until the eighties, you know right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou really to pick up on the late forties the forts were beautiful, the Chevy\u0026#39;s were beautiful, the Lincoln\u0026#39;s were beautiful and everything else, and they are saved because they didn\u0026#39;t really they stylized, they certainly did not approve. I can think of only maybe two cars. I\u0026#39;m not a car guy, so your thing, but you know, and one is the Chevy Corvette which has maintained a certain classic look for 70 years, and the other one is the Camaro, both the Chevy and the Camaro, the Camaro is you know, is a hot car, but I can\u0026#39;t think of any other. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eyou know again, I\u0026#39;m not a car person, so I\u0026#39;m basing my confidence on ignorance here. But anyway, but the big thing is, but the fort thirties and forties is just full of these old classic cars. You know, and I think it was a high design period and you know, and I mean we certainly don\u0026#39;t save any technology that much from that period of time. You know well it was not over. Tonight I\u0026#39;ve got, I still got my 19 Motorola television and oh, yeah, no exactly Six, six inches. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd you know and everything like that. You know, nobody does that, but they do have radios from the forties. You know, people do have radios from the thirties and forties, you know, yeah, yeah, anyway. So how would we sum up today? Because we\u0026#39;ve shot through an hour and record time. I can\u0026#39;t believe it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think my reflection right now is really going to be, I think, drawing the parallel, looking at who and what were the conditions for thriving in the period from the fifties to the eighties, you know, and on that, on the back of all of that advancement, and I think, if we\u0026#39;re going to start doing some guessing and betting about what\u0026#39;s going to thrive in the next 25 years, you know that we\u0026#39;ve reached this thing and I\u0026#39;m going to let it ride out to 20 as the peak of the plateau kind of, and see that period from, I think the period from 25 to 50, that 25 years is going to be. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere\u0026#39;s going to be a lot of parallels, I think, yeah, yeah, my sense is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I can just end with one little example from a 10 times connector I had. On Friday I was in a break up with three people. One of them was a marketer, one of them was a podcaster, and I\u0026#39;m just. The other one was an online educational company two women and a man and half their sharing was the progress they\u0026#39;ve made with AI during 2023. Okay, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I was very struck by their reports because they just talked about it and they were just talking normally about something that literally did not exist before November 30th last year. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They were just talking as well. We\u0026#39;re doing this with AI, we\u0026#39;re doing this with AI, we\u0026#39;re doing this with AI, and it was like yeah, we\u0026#39;re saying, yeah, and we did this, we\u0026#39;re doing this with electricity. We\u0026#39;re doing this with electricity Right, right, exactly. And now I said I\u0026#39;ve gotten a keen insight just by your reports. Today you\u0026#39;re sharing that this is what\u0026#39;s going on in tens, hundreds of millions of places right now, and it\u0026#39;s all subsurface, it\u0026#39;s all below the surface. Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And they\u0026#39;re not talking about it as a big thing, they\u0026#39;re just talking about it as a normal thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. That\u0026#39;s why I say by if we that and I think that\u0026#39;s going to be expanded that if we that, by then this to 2025, that by then it\u0026#39;s going to be, everybody\u0026#39;s going to have a sense of what this is. You know, I think you\u0026#39;re absolutely right Like we\u0026#39;re literally just a year into AI. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean that\u0026#39;s, I can see the report. I can just see the reports that are being written about our conversation today at the NSA. Oh, my goodness, people say we\u0026#39;ve got to have a meeting, we\u0026#39;ve got to have a meeting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e They\u0026#39;re on, they\u0026#39;re on. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They\u0026#39;re not onto us. They\u0026#39;re onto things that we didn\u0026#39;t know about. Yeah, and what was the Roman Empire anyway? Is that an empire we should be paying attention to? Do we have contacts with Alrighty? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Dean. Yeah, all right, I\u0026#39;ll be here next week. I think I am. I\u0026#39;ll be back in Toronto. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ll certainly be. I\u0026#39;ll be in a position. Perfect, I will talk to you then. Thanks, dean, bye, Okay. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In today's episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we discuss some intriguing impacts of the COVID-19 pandemic on our lives and businesses. \r\n\r\nWe explore the shift to virtual platforms like Zoom and the concept of \"Cloudlandia,\" drawing comparisons to changes brought about by historical pandemics. Dan and I consider opportunities that can emerge from unexpected times. \r\nOur discussion ranges from societal shifts driven by technologies in the past to possibilities of the future. ","date_published":"2023-12-21T05:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/51074b09-886a-43dc-af3b-a26a419a12c3.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":41308131,"duration_in_seconds":3439}]},{"id":"35842894-5d6c-40f7-a2df-0e6719d98e2b","title":"Ep110: Discovering True Value in an Age of Convenience","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/110","content_text":"In today's episode of Welcome To Cloudlandia, Dan and I explore Ontario, Canada, alongside a discussion of groundbreaking research on an immortality gene. A doctor shares insights into pinpointing this gene's phenomenal potential for humanity. Lightheartedly, we touch on frequent flyer miles and a Buenos Aires stem cell treatment trip. \n\nShifting to business, we analyse the impactful Working Genius model's six elements - \nWonder, \nInvention, \nDiscernment, \nGalvanisation, \nEnablement and \nTenacity. \n\nThere are a lot of nuggets in this episode that prompt us to reevaluate what truly enriches our world.\n\n\u0026amp;nbsp\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\nWe discuss the fascinating exploration of an immortality gene found by a doctor, that has the potential to revolutionize human life.\nWe touch on the effects of altitude on our bodies and share some anecdotes about our trips for stem cell treatments.\nWe delve into the Working Genius model and its six elements that foster successful collaborations in business.\nMark Lechance and Babs share their experiences with the Working Genius model, emphasizing its practical benefits.\nWe share the thrilling story of Matt, a man of Discernment and Tenacity, who successfully navigated domain name issues to set up a project in real time.\nWe examine the dynamics of travel and connectivity, challenging the notion that convenience and comfort are sources of happiness.\nWe discuss the importance of purpose and meaning in achieving true happiness and explore the future of transportation, including the possibility of human-carrying drones.\nWe analyze the psychological limits of convenience in our modern era, and encourage listeners to reconsider the value of real experiences over convenience.\nWe explore the future of travel convenience, discussing how modern technologies have reduced travel friction and predicting the future of transportation.\nWe discuss the concept of convenience, how it is interpreted differently by different people, and reflect on the emotional experience of convenience.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean: Mr Sullivan. \n\nDan: Thank God, there we go. \n\nDean: There we go. Thank God we're recording. Yeah, I don't like the sound. \n\nDan: I don't like the sound. \n\nDean: There was just an interruption, that's all I don't like the sound of that voice of yours. What's up? \n\nDan: Well, I just got a cold, I got a head cold Friday, I think. And here I am. Here I am, though, and I'll use the capability that I have available to me to have a great podcast. \n\nDean: There we go. I love it. Well, I missed you last week. I've had a great two weeks. Lots to catch up on. \n\nDan: I'm sure you've had it in the last few weeks. Yeah, we did. We were at DaVinci 50 and Sundance. I've never been there before. \n\nDean: How did you like? \n\nDan: that. Yeah, it's a neat place, it's sort of a neat place, but Babs doesn't operate good at 7,000 feet. \n\nDean: Oh, boy, okay. \n\nDan: So she has some issues. But, she went and she got a. What's it called? It's an IV that you take that pumps your energy up. \n\nDean: Oh, okay. \n\nDan: I knew, yeah, so fortunately we had a lot of medical advice around us. A little bit, yeah and they were able to get right on it. She had it, but she wasn't sleeping well and I'm pretty good. I don't have that problem at altitude, but there was a lot of downhill climbing from our room to the. And my knee, which hopefully, and we're off to Buena Cerras, Argentina the first week of November to get stem cell treatment for my knee, so hopefully that'll be done. \n\nYeah, yeah, we fly in overnight. They pick us up at the airport, take us right to the clinic and I get an injection in the first hour when I'm there and that's my stem cells coming back at me and the promise is that I will grow a new cartilage. \n\nDean: And how long does it take for that to be noticeable? \n\nDan: It's about six months until it grows back. That's what I'm told, and there's a protocol of not putting too much stress on it, not to go hog wild. \n\nDean: Well, how perfect is that You'll have a new me for your AB of perfect I will Just about, and that's exactly right It'll be on. \n\nDan: My birthday will be six and a half months and this will be six months. We go down twice more so that they can check on the progress, and so our frequent flyer miles are going to go up, and it's a long, long flight. \n\nDean: Nine hours have you been to Plano Furniture before? I have not. \n\nDan: I have not this is the first time and they're I think they're either an hour or two hours ahead of Toronto time. Yeah. \n\nDean: One of the things. \n\nDan: Yeah, no, they're an hour and a half Exactly. That's so funny, but it's sort of when you look at the map. It's always a shock to me how that, if you go to London Ontario, all of South America sits east of London Ontario. That's wild, isn't it? Yeah, it's amazing Because you think of South America being under North America but it actually curves around to the east and Ecuador. The west coast of Ecuador is the furthest point in South America and that lines up perfectly with London Ontario and, for those who are listening, it's sort of Columbus Ohio, if you think of Columbus. \n\nDean: Right, right, right, there you go. \n\nDan: Dream of Iowa. Yeah, and Americans, you know Ontario. Where's Ontario? Isn't that near Los Angeles? You? \n\nDean: know they have an airport here. It's called Ontario yeah. \n\nDan: Ontario Airport. You know. Well, that's great. Well, of course it's east of Ontario, california, but you know we're talking about a province that is basically the size of Western Europe. \n\nDean: It's probably the size of Europe, but Ontario. \n\nDan: Yeah, I was realizing the vastness. \n\nDean: When I got to understand the vastness of Ontario I realized somebody pointed out that you could drive north in Ontario the distance between Toronto and Florida and still be in Ontario. That's pretty big right. \n\nDan: And if you did east to west, from Cornwall to Canora, that's basically two cities in Ontario. It's the same distance as Washington DC to Kansas City. \n\nDean: Wow, okay, yeah. \n\nDan: Well, there we go. That is pretty much about all the Canadians huddled close to the border. 90% of the Canadian population is within 100 miles of the US border. \n\nDean: That's great. Well, any big shares from Da Vinci. What's coming down the pipe? You got new me. \n\nDan: Yeah, the biggest thing. First of all, richard is a phenomenally good chooser of great speakers. Yeah, and it's always very, very enlightening, if not shocking, some of the research that's being done, and I think we have a couple of doctors who were there. And one of the doctors, doctor doctor West, says that it's pretty clear now that there's a fundamental gene, if you will I'm not sure exactly what the terminology is- but, it's a gene, that's the immortality gene, okay, and they've been able to zero in on it because none of our genes die. \n\nI mean the body they're in dies, but none of the genes themselves actually die. They're immortal and because we all have them, so all humans have them, and every time a new human being is born, it's basically picking up on a couple of million years of genetic development. Yeah so they know that those are immortal. \n\nAnd but in each individual there's a turnoff, there's a series of turnoff mechanisms I'll just use a more understandable term here and they're zeroing in on this. For example, there are life forms that don't die flat, flat, flat, flat. Worms, for example, don't die. You know, they, they just never die. \n\nAnd you cut them in half and you can cut them in half, and doesn't matter which half, and they can regrow the other half back. So so you know, I mean, it's just really, it's just really interesting where all this is going. I mean, what's the time frame for this, to discover this? Well, they don't know that, you know. But the bare fact that they're they now think it's possible and that they're experiment way. I just find all that stuff interesting. \n\nDean: Yeah, I find it very interesting too. Yeah, that's great. \n\nDan: I mean, it's kind of the fact that we can know that DNA exists. \n\nDean: I mean the fact that somebody discovered that and I mean it's just, how would you even know to look for something like that? Right, yeah, we take it, you know we're. It's so amazing, the things that I mean that's all happened in the big change from 1975 to 19. \n\nDan: They're 2025, you know, I've been really thinking about that. \n\nDean: That too, the you know the the biggest change If we take, if we extend out to 2025. I think that period of 1975 to 2025 is going to be, you know, civilization changing yeah you know scope of what's happened here. \n\nDan: Yeah, but it's like yeah. Well, my redone it is, that it's the people who benefit from this. It's not going to be worldwide. The next 50 years let's say 2025 to 2075, I think that. I think what we're going to see is massive political and economic change, because there's a there's a point where you wanted to become a powerful technological country. \n\nAnd at this point not many have. I mean, if you think of all the countries in the world, the US is clearly, you know, in the lead, and the US has just so many other things going for it. \n\nYou know, it's geography, for one thing, that's, it's really hard to invade the United States. I mean, first of all, 3000 miles of water one way and 5000 miles of water the other way, and then you have the Gulf of Mexico, and then you have Mexico. But Mexico in the 200 miles south of the US border is desert and mountain. It's not a it's not a populated area, and then the North North Canadians were always a threat, but now that they've nationalized pot, that's that's neutralizing that. \n\nRight and Canada. Weren't we going to invade the United? \n\nDean: States. I think the US looks at Canada, the natural resource reserve tank attached to their northern border. \n\nDan: You know well it's, it's. It's America's biggest gated community. \n\nDean: You know right. \n\nDan: You have to check in at the gate you know, they make you check in at the gate and you can't bring in guns and they want to know if you have any alcohol. They want to know if you have any tobacco. They're not interested in you if you have any new ideas. \n\nDean: Yeah, so you'll love this. I've got four C's that I've observed here, looking for the next 25 years and the I observe that, but you're going to tell me about that in the next podcast, right? Oh, I can tell you about it right now. Here we go. \n\nDan: All right. \n\nDean: So the first is increase, and I love how you always say increasing, as taken this from you, but increasing connectivity with the farthest outposts of the mainland. That is going to be a big driver of the next 25 years. I think we can if we're guessing and betting. That's where that's what I was thinking about, if I'm guessing what's going to happen in the 25 years. What can I bet on? \n\nAnd I bet on increasing connectivity with the farthest outposts of the mainland and that I don't think you can go wrong and I think that, as the technologies are evolving, that will facilitate that connection. That's going to be a big thing. I saw something dance. You know I haven't really been so on board with the metaverse and then I saw and I don't know whether you saw it the most recent video of Lex Friedman and Mark Zuckerberg having a chat in the metaverse with the latest version of the Facebook Visual avatar development where it creates a photo, realistic version of you, three dimensional, in your inner three dimensional space, and you could tell I mean first watching it on the video it's stunningly realistic and impressive. \n\nBut you could tell that that Lex Friedman even said he's having an emotional experience. This is so uncanny that he's got the you know, the new meta headset on, but his feeling is like he's 100% for real in the room with Mark Zuckerberg, like literally having a real conversation with a real person, and that I think that's the first I've seen of what potentially could be what comes here. You know, because it was really, it was really pretty stunning. When you're watching the video, I'll send you the, I'll send you the link, unless you've already seen it. \n\nDan: No, no, I haven't. This is the first I've heard of it. \n\nDean: Okay, so they have. They basically have a. They split the screen like a try screen where you can see Lex or Mark with the headset on, like where they really are talking and what they're saying. Then they show the middle version, which is kind of the digitized version of what's happening, like all the without the shell on it kind of thing, and then they show the final, the real thing, and it look, if you just look at the visual thing, you would never be able to detect that this is not real. And that's the first that I've seen where there's no latency, there's no, you know, telltale, you know mismatching of the mouth movements or the eye movements or anything like that. \n\nIf you just saw the third version of it, you would think that's really Mark Zuckerberg in real time talking and that's really Lex Friedman, and so that was like that opened my eyes to and they were just kind of in a, you know, a black background kind of thing, like in almost this. They're in a black, like on the Charlie Rose show or something you know, just their things. But you can imagine in, you know, giving fast forward into 2025, the overlaid on any visual environment. You could place them in at table 10, at jocks, you know, or at the select bistro and they're surrounded and, having that experience, I literally. \n\nI would. I would put because you know what, I've said it and you've said it that I don't really have any interest in putting on the goggles because I haven't seen an environment that's real. You know, but if I could put on those goggles and have a real table 10 experience with you, I would put on the goggles. \n\nDan: That was that impressive, you know so that means I have to agree. No, it's one of the things I you know I'm I'm taking your description of it as real, but yeah, I haven't had the experience so I don't really know, you know yeah. \n\nDean: So, anyway, I'll check it, I'll check it out, and yeah so there's the first, that's the first C for guessing embedding connectivity, connectivity, that then that I think, if I'm guessing, embedding on the next 25 years our increasing capabilities, both on demand and on cap. You know, I think if we look at the capabilities that AI is going to provide for us, I'm starting, you're starting to see now the real applications of this. Where you take these, these avatar technologies of being able to create your own digital avatar. I fully believe, now that that is going to be in detect undetectable difference between the real, I mean a digital representation, the real video that I had performed, or a digital AI have done it. So those, all those capabilities on demand, along with and if those are not, capabilities on demand through connectivity with the farthest outreaches of the mainland to every other human that's out there, you know, for the special, for the special things you know well not every other human being, but just the one. \n\nYou know, the ones the ones who are on the main, the ones who are connected in cloud land you know, because, because I believe in Dunbar's law, that we only have emotional capability for at most about 150. \n\nDan: Yeah. I mean everybody. First of all, I can't comprehend what everybody means, you know. I know Dean and I know Joe and I know. And you guys use up all my time. You know I don't have time. \n\nDean: I was just going to say thankfully, we're solidly entrenched in each other's top 150. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: I mean the other, the other eight, you know eight billion plus right, I mean I, I'm told they exist, but they don't really have that much. They don't have a place in my future, that much. \n\nDean: Yeah, right, right. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: I love it. \n\nDan: And then the number three. \n\nDean: Number three, yes, yeah collaboration that's going to lead to better and better and better collaboration opportunities with both humans and technology. I can't wait to reach your how to treat technology like a well-trained dog or whatever. \n\nDan: What is it like? \n\nDean: Like a great dog Like a great dog. \n\nDan: Yeah, I own owning technology like a great dog. \n\nDean:\nWhen is that coming out? \n\nDan: Oh, it's out. \n\nDean: It's out, oh it is. \n\nDan: Yeah, you should have gotten a notice in the email that you can download the ebook. Okay, I'll see you about that. \n\nDean: Yeah, I think that's fantastic. I had on the collaboration front. I had a really amazing widget extension. I've had a great experience this past couple of weeks here. The widget, of course, the working genius model, I see how useful. This is now in collaboration. \n\nDan: We've got three of our team members trained as facilitator or training other people to use working genius. The moment you told me about it, I looked it up. We have the same UNI or the same we have the same. We're inventors and we're discerners. Babs is an inventor, is that yours? \n\nDean: No, I'm DI your ID. I mean, I imagine it's the same thing, but Babs is what? \n\nDan: She's IG, she's a galvanizer. Okay, yeah, right yeah, and I'm proof of it. \n\nDean: So that's great, that's the perfect thing. That's your secret formula, right there. \n\nDan: Yeah, I'm proof of it. Yeah, she galvanized me. \n\nDean: Yeah, and so I had a really great experience with Mark Litchett. Why don't? \n\nDan: we explain to those who don't know what we're talking about Sure Okay. \n\nDean: So Mark, of course, unless you want to Go? Ahead. \n\nDan: No, go ahead. \n\nDean: Okay, so this was introduced to me by James Drage and James introduced this working genius model and you can find it at workinggeniuscom and it's one of the most useful assessments that I've ever come across, right Right up there with Colby, because I think I would rank them. Probably I would rank widget at the top, colby second, and I also like I find Myers-Briggs very useful, but I know you're not as big a fan of Myers-Briggs as I am. But the way that workinggenius works is that we all have workinggenius, which are things that we find effortless, really coincides with our unique ability, really harmonizes with all the strategic coach concepts and the idea is that every team needs, every collaboration, needs somebody in each of the six elements and the six calls spell out the word widget. \n\nSo W is for wonder, someone who can look at something and see all the ways that this could be improved or where could we go with this. Then I is invention, which is making stuff up. There's a lot of I's in strategic coach. It would probably be, you know. Also, they would correlate with being quick starts, I'm sure. \n\nG is for discernment, the ability to look at options and know what the right thing to do is, to have a highly confident ability in discerning that this is the right thing to do. G is galvanizing, which is someone who has a genius for gathering all the people and elements that are needed to get something accomplished. E is for enablement, which is someone who can support the people who are doing the thing to make sure that everybody has everything they need to complete the task. And T is for tenacity, and tenacity is someone who has a high follow through, who makes things happen and takes things all the way to completion, so fast forward. I'm in a boardroom in Boca Raton with Mark Lechance and some of his team and I had this amazing experience of Isn't that amazing. \n\nDan: We just had a metaverse experience because I'm the one that started the call with the cold, but now you have the cold? \n\nDean: Yeah, I think mine is. I'm out in my courtyard and I can tell that our pollen count is very high right now, but anyway, I'm sitting there and I noticed how there's one of the guys on well, there were six of us in the room, but Mark Lechance is a galvanizer with invention, a galvanizer invention and I'm starting to identify like the one sentence summary of what these things are. So, mark's like one word, one sentence, like super power is gathering people, gathering the capabilities that you guys are super smart. Here's what I think we could do, you know, like this inventing all the coming up with ideas or the things that could be done. \n\nThen there was a gentleman there, matt, who is a D, he's a, he's got discernment and tenacity and my observation of that is that he would see something and say that's a good idea, and then the next word out of his mouth were done and he, like we were talking about something, we, you know, I came up, I was, you know, discernment and invention is my thing and I came preloaded with this is what I think we should do. We were doing, we have a VCR, vision capability, reach opportunity with one of the projects that Mark runs, and I came in already preloaded with here's the ideas. Well, I think we should do, which was, you know, it's a really great, great idea and we, you know, came up with the domain name, the whole thing, and literally right there in the, in the meeting you know, matt went and bought the domain name, set up like all these things are happening in real time and getting making something real you know, and so it was really amazing to see that, that collaboration between you know, the widget experience there. \n\nAnd I see now, like I realized, galvanizing that I would have guessed that Babs is a galvanizer, because that has been. You know that. That's the, that's the main thing that drives your ability to get your ideas into real world things. It's galvanizing the unique ability, teamwork of everybody on your, on your team, yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, and she just knows how to create team. I mean she, she knows how to create team leaders, she knows how to create teams and the teams have their, you know, they have their projects and they have their goals. And you know they have their measure measurements and everything like that, but one of the one of the things I've noticed about Babs is that she doesn't really comprehend the impact that she has just by being in the room. \n\nDean: Yeah, I mean, how do you observe that? \n\nDan: How do? You see, no, no, things just happen when she's in the room. Yeah, and in any situation, if you were somewhere with Babs and they had to get something done and within about an hour or two hours she'd be, she would be chosen as the leader. \n\nDean: Right. \n\nDan: Without her saying anything. \n\nDean: Right yeah, right, right, right yeah. \n\nDan: I mean, I mean she's six foot two and that helps you know, because she has a core. But you know, often, frequently, she's the tallest person in the room, but she just has a, she has command in her strength. Yeah, Command is number one. Yeah, you know. She just basically says okay, let's get started, let's get something done here. \n\nAnd you know, and you know I mean that's my life is divided into two parts before I met Babs and after I met, after I was with Babs. Yeah, and you know, it's just real clear that I'm just always highly motivated when I'm around here. \n\nDean: Yeah, what are you looking at? Yeah. \n\nDan: I'm looking at you, I remember you telling me and we're in the 42nd year of AAMD. Oh, that's funny, yeah, yeah. \n\nDean: Okay. \n\nDan: You've done you've. You've gotten three. What's number four? \n\nDean: Okay, so the fourth is convenience that we're observing less and less friction in day to day interactions and mainland to Plumlandia, you know communication. So convenience, you know. I remember I think in 2016 or something, I read that article that I've shared about the tyranny of convenience and how we start to see it's a never ending, you know, desire to make things easier and better and ratcheting those advancements without going backwards. You know, and that's really I think, if I were to guess and bet on things being more convenient, increasingly convenient, over the next 25 years, I think we're going to be. I think that's a good bet and you know, you start to see that. \n\nI think that, as we're, we're already seeing things like you know, one click ordering from Amazon. That's now gotten into. You know, apple Pay and Google Pay and Amazon Pay you never there's no need to ever type your credit card into anything to buy online. But I see how that's going If we chart out where the room in convenience is. I also see, I see companies like Rocket Mortgage, you know, foreshadowing where we're headed, that when we start seeing everybody's got access to all of the data we're all going to be, you know, pre-underwritten in background. \n\nFor anything we're going to have some, you know, available capital or available credit, you know pre-assigned already. You know that we literally will be able to push a button and get approval instantly for whatever we want, and I believe that the blockchain and smart contracts and all of these things are going to make things more and more convenient over the next 25 years, and that's where I've gotten so far. Those, so the connectivity yeah Well, I think they're good. So connectivity- Number one ��로 liability Number two. \n\nElaboration number three. Elaboration and convenience, convenience. Uh-huh, it's good, I think those are, and there's probably more. Well, you know those are the first, uh, first four. \n\nDan: Yeah, I wouldn't push it beyond four. Make the others be servants of the first four. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, you know. One of the things is. So what's the role of uh? Travel that takes time, it's the uh. I'm asking you a question here. \n\nDean: Yeah, I think it's the. Uh, what's the? What's the? \n\nDan: what's the role of travel that takes time? \n\nDean: The physical, First of all. It happens? \n\nDan: Travel happens in the mainland because if I can just, of course, if I can just click or have a thought and I'm so yeah and I'm meeting somewhere else, then it hasn't required travel. And it doesn't, it doesn't take time. So, and I think that that's where? \n\nDean: Yeah, so the you know the inconvenience of travel is what is? Two things. That's inconvenient and it happens at the speed of reality. You have to move your, your, your meat puppet from one out. \n\nDan: Yeah, I, I'm going to call you that. I think that's. I think that's a bad term. \n\nDean: The meat. \n\nDan: And I think it diminishes your body and the one thing I want to tell you about, about virtual reality. You're only using sight and sound. You're only using sight and sound. You're not using touch, you're not using taste and you're not. You know, and my sense is that actually, sight and sound make up about less than 10% of what the body actually uses to function. Okay, so, I can understand why my Mark Zuckerberg wants to be in another realm because he can't be speed. He's trying to find a place where he can't be subpoenaed. \n\nDean: You know so. \n\nDan: Right, right, yeah. And I understand that because he doesn't look like a human being who does well in terms of relationship and you know, and everything else, and I can understand why he wants to find another realm to do it, but we've got a million years of actually creating value out of things that take time and things that you know you have to travel over distance. Okay. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: I don't think there, I don't. I can't sum up all that just as inconvenience, Right yeah. I mean learning doesn't. Learning doesn't happen instantaneously, learning happens over time. Yeah, so I'm just the American as you put the four things. \n\nAs you put the four things together, I'm saying, yeah, but you know, when I go on a long trip, you know, for example, it takes two and a half hours for us to drive to the cottage. Okay, yeah, and I've been interested in plots during those two and a half hours that I wouldn't have if I just touched a button and I was in the cottage. \n\nDean: Right, yeah, you think that part of the experience of it is the fact that it took a long time to get there. \n\nDan: Yeah there was a price. There was a price for it. \n\nDean: Yeah, you know yeah. \n\nDan: And if I agree, yeah. So yeah, I'm, I'm. I don't have the answer to this. I'm asking the question. I don't have the answer. I have the answer to it yeah. But I'm noticing that convenience and comfort don't necessarily make people happy. Uh huh, I think purpose and meaning make people happy. You know achievement combined with purpose and meaning. \n\nDean: And my experience is. \n\nDan: That takes a bit of time. That takes a bit of time. \n\nDean: And so yeah. Well, that makes a lot of sense. I mean there's so, um, yeah, that does it makes a lot of sense. And these are just uh. So I do, I'm looking at, no, I think they're they're available. \n\nDan: I think what you're saying is that actually they all come under the heading of capability. You know it's obviously a huge jump in capability, because connectivity and um and uh uh, collaboration and uh and uh and convenience are great capabilities, you know, and I think people are always striving for greater capabilities. \n\nDean: I agree, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's something there's always going to be real. There's always going to be a higher value on on real. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: I believe that we're definitely missing out. You know, and it's not by an order of just a small percentage, I mean, it's exponentially different. I think you know um say say what? \n\nwhat I think in the convenience, yeah when I was going to convenience things is that I think that the ability to make that travel, which is still highly valuable, being present in in a place is still highly valuable, um, but the elimination of friction in in doing that To the extent that you can, is going to be, I think, a safe bet. \n\nUh, when you look at I it was, it was funny, we were, I was having a conversation with someone about the the newest travel trend. Uh, in mainstream travel is the private terminals that are popping up now, like at LAX there's was the first one that I heard of where you can bypass the, the main terminal. You go to a private terminal where you pull up, they valet park your car, you go into a suite that's got, you know, just a food and whatever you allow Comfortable for you to wait for your flight. You go through security, everything that's necessary, checking in the whole thing, and then, when it's time they drive you in, you know a BMW or an SUV, they drive you to on the ramp, to those where the plane is, take you up and put you on your on your seat and off you go, and that level of friction, skipping from the curb to the gate, that's what everybody is. That's where all the the hassle of of mainland travel is once you're on the plane. \n\nNobody's mad at the first class cabin of any airliner. It's comfortable, it's. The seats are great, the food is great, the you know the environment. Everything about it is is fine. You get to your, your destination. It's just all the inconvenience from the curb to the gate. You know that we're all the we're all the thing is now. \n\nNow, and I also think, like recently, as you start seeing, I think it's pretty clear we're going to end up in a human carrying drone world where that, you know, drone flight is going to be, you know, for shorter, and it's going to be a two hour drive into a 20 minute, you know, taxi, drone, taxi type of environment. I think we'll see that in the next 25 years. I think that's a that'd be a pretty safe bet. \n\nDan: I'll let you bet that it doesn't happen, okay, yeah. \n\nDean: Good and that's interesting. So why? What makes? You think that, that, that it won't happen. \n\nDan: Well, first of all, I don't think the capital is going to be there over the next 25 years, because capital money is getting very, very expensive and it's a function of the fact that transportation is getting very, very expensive. So when you have transportation very expensive, it makes money really expensive, it makes energy really expensive and it makes labor really expensive. \n\nDean: And I don't think. \n\nDan: First of all, I've never you may be the first person I've ever talked to had that as an aspiration or as a future thought, and my sense is that the next things to get invented is where there's like an 80% aspiration in the marketplace. We'd like to have this, you know, and you know, and I think the Amazon has done well, because there's an 80% wish that last minute purchasing or last minute shopping could be eliminated. \n\nDean: Yeah, there's, there's something. I think that's true. \n\nDan: Yeah, but one of the ways I've gone in the opposite direction, I've just eliminated all need for meetings that require travel. \n\nDean: Yeah, me too. How is the travel industry doing? So I would say that that's more of an aspirator. \n\nDan: I would say that's more of an aspiration than making travel comfortable. I would say not traveling at all is more of an aspiration. And, yeah, traveling with the least amount of friction. \n\nDean: I agree and that's what I think would fit in with convenience. Well, I think we started going down that path. That was, I think that in every, in every way, in every element, I think convenience is really a driver right. That that's kind of we're definitely looking for things to be here and less friction. \n\nDan: Let's look at the word convenience, because I think everybody's got a different notion of what constitutes convenience. You know, and I think it's is entirely defined by your situation in the mainland. I mean it only has been in relationship to the, to the. To the mainland I mean that my Apple computer comes on. It takes me, you know, five seconds to get on and I could do it in a second. I really don't care. I really don't care, you know right the five no five seconds. \n\nThe five seconds seems good enough for me, you know I don't, I don't need it. \n\nSo first of all, I think there's a point where convenience, or the striving for convenience, has a diminishing return. You know, because even at your personal airport, you know your private personal airport let's say that pretty soon there's going to be a desire on the ideal jet that there's a first class and the second class Right, and people, people say, well, why are they up there and we're, we're back here and you've got every convenience in the world. But because it's all psychological I mean all everything we're talking about here is psychological. You know, pricey psychological. \n\nDean: And. \n\nDan: I just feel that my notion of convenience may be different from your notion of convenience, you know. I mean if we went down step by step and we took our daily life and we went through, and everything like having food delivered to my house doesn't interest. Well, first of all, by all, my food is delivered by house by one person. You know we have a caterer and yes, but, but I can name on two hands. A number of times we've ordered in from a you know a restaurant, you know so that doesn't fall in my area of convenience, right yeah. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: The other aspect about it is that traveling not under compulsion, in other words, I'm not compelled to travel, but just getting out and driving around. I find that interesting. \n\nDean: Yeah, even like going up to the cottage or going. \n\nDan: yeah, yeah, I find it interesting and you know, we have a halfway stop at Tim Hortons where we've never eaten, but we've always peed. The restroom is always in the same place. It's always clean. It's great. My definition of Tim Hortons in Canada is where white people go to get whiter. \n\nDean: Have you ever experienced webbers? No, we go up to 404. \n\nDan: We're heading to the east. We're not heading to the east. We've been on 400 and I've passed it, but the line up looked inconvenient. \n\nDean: Well, you know it was quite a thing that they did was because that was kind of like the official stopping point of the way up to Muscova. That everybody would, you know, friday night stop and get a burger at Webbers. And then they brought in a great extent an overpass. They bought the land across before the oh no yeah. They brought in a great expense on an overpass that you could. \n\nDan: Well, they could put in another parking lot. That's why they did it. \n\nDean: Yeah, it's now convenient to stop on your way home, because it was super inconvenient. \n\nDan: It's really interesting the I just want to zero in on the idea that convenience is uniquely defined. I think you're right. So I think a lot of the technology people make a guess that everybody is going to enjoy a new level of convenience that they're creating and they're generalizing they have to generalize human nature, that everybody's going to like this. I think it's a form of projection on the part of the inventors that, because they find it convenient to everybody else, only 16% of technology startups succeed. \n\nThe thing, so it means that 84% of them. Yeah, I would say that most technologies are created to satisfy some form of convenience. Yeah, I would say. \n\nDean: There's some definitions of convenience. I would love to go to the source here and see. So. Convenience is the state of being able to proceed with something with little effort or difficulty. \n\nDan: Well, you and I are great believers in that. \n\nDean: Yeah, the quality of being useful, easy or suitable for someone. And then the third is a thing that contributes to an easy and effortless way of life. Yeah, and so? I think, that that's going, no matter what you're doing, to making. I would argue that the virtual division of Strategic Coach has made it, through convenience, a possibility for people in what would otherwise be inconvenient parts of the world to participate. \n\nDan: Yeah, and I think that you may. Zoom has, zoom has. Zoom has Zoom has. Yeah, my sense is that they Do. They need much more than Zoom. Do they need to actually have the feeling that they're? \n\nDean: there. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, we're not going to be able to. \n\nDan: I mean to be tested, yeah, to be experiment, tested. \n\nDean: I was just like you know. You know just at what appeared to be what was literally appearing in this thing. So that was. I'm just reporting the news. \n\nDan: Yeah and yeah, I know he seemed real, but is he real? \n\nDean: Yeah, and I was only seeing a 2D. I'm only seeing the 2D example of it, right? So, yeah, I can't imagine what it would be like. If you Like Lex Friedman's response to it I don't know who he- is. \n\nDan: by the way, I don't know who this person is. \n\nDean: Lex Friedman is a very popular podcaster, similar in popularity as Joe Rogan, like that level, one of the top interview podcasters, very smart, intelligent guy. But yeah, this was His visibly, you know the visible reaction that he was having to. It was like he was having a hard time really describing the impact, the emotional experience that he was having of this and he's a pretty non-emotional guy. That's part of the you know the term he's of. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: Yeah, well, I'm going to have. \n\nDan: I'm going to have to have the experience I'm going to have to. The experience you know yeah. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: By the way, that whole. \n\nDean: You know us being able to. It's just so funny to think now of all of these things, like I just see the layering, of this constant improvement in understanding of both our unique abilities and the unique capabilities that are being presented to us and the convenience of collaboration. Did you watch 60 Minutes? Yeah, you don't watch any TV, so there was. \n\nDan: I am innocent of the experience. \n\nDean: Do you know who Rick Rubin is? He's a music producer. He's regarded as maybe the oh, no, no. \n\nDan: I've watched his YouTubes. I've watched his YouTubes. Yeah, he's a great guy, yeah. \n\nDean: Really, he plays guitar. \n\nDan: He plays guitar right. \n\nDean: No, he doesn't. He doesn't play anything, which is really. \n\nDan: Which is really impressive. Somebody else that I'm thinking of he does a really great job of telling you why a song works or how a song works and everything. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, he's a white hair. Yeah, I'm looking at white hair. \n\nDean: Looks like Nafuzela. He's the no. You're talking about Rick Beato. \n\nDan: He's the guy you're talking about yeah, that's who I'm, that's what. \n\nDean: I'm talking about. Yeah, no, rick Rubin looks like Nafuzela, he's got a beard and long hair, real zen kind of guy. But he was on 60 Minutes with Anderson Cooper and it was pretty. There's some great sound bites from it. Because Anderson Cooper was asking him well, what is it that you do? Can you play instruments? And Rick said barely Could you work a sound board? And he said I have no technical ability and I know nothing about music, like actual music things. And Anderson asked him well, what do you get paid for? And he said he thought for a second and said the confidence that I have in my case and my ability to express what I feel has proven helpful for artists. And I thought there's a guy, if we were to do a widget on him, I'm sure he's a GI, I'm sure he has discernment and invention as his two things. \n\nYou can see, this is a good idea, this is the big idea here, and this is what I think you should do. \n\nDan: You have a visitor in the recording. \n\nDean: It's a crow. I think it's funny. \n\nDan: Don't you know that you're sitting. Don't you know that you're occupying his space? I? \n\nDean: must be. \n\nDan: Yeah, he's trying to tell you to get out. This is my space, Anyway it's all interesting. I keep coming back to the whole concept of the difference between convenience and comfort, and purpose and meaning. Yeah because my limousine company that I have in Toronto oftentimes has these sort of elite lifestyle magazines that advertises places to go and none of the people look happy. Yeah they look true. \n\nThey look like they look like they've got everything they want, and that hasn't made them happy. You know, they look. They look sophisticated, they're obviously wealthy and they have this, but it hasn't done the trick. You know, it's like models. It's like models you know like in Vogue magazine. Babs gets some of the magazines and the Wall Street Journal once a month has a style magazine that comes with one of the additions and they all look well. \n\nFirst of all, I could draw a thought bubble above all their heads and say what I would give for a burger and fries, right, I mean, they look just, you know, they just look so unhappy and yeah, but they're representing the top of the world in fashion. You know, the elite living there are the top and I said, yeah, but they're, it's absent. It's absent meaning and purpose. You know, you've achieved something but and and people will sacrifice enormous amount of inconvenience for purpose and meaning. \n\nSo it's an interesting discussion, isn't it? No, I mean, I take it may. I'm not a cutting edge guy with technology, but when I hear enough of other people talking about things that seems to work, I said why don't we just include this? And you know, and. I'm really driven by productivity. I like getting a lot of stuff done easier and faster, you know. But it's the thing that is being achieved, that has meaning and purpose. It's not the means of getting there. So yeah. \n\nDean: I think there's a good, no, it's an interesting this thing is you know, yeah, and we live in totally a lot of the world. \n\nDan: We do. \n\nDean: I think that's part of the thing is maybe the, the harmonizing of that is pointing convenience at the end of comfort or out of purpose and meaning. Yeah, to make speaking purpose and meaning more convenient there, there's a new special on Netflix called Blue Zones and it's yeah observation of Okay talk about it. \n\nYeah, and those things, those people, inevitably. They live very simple lives about much adornment. They've got the if you guy, as the Japanese would say, the purpose, you know the meaning that, the thing that brings them joy, connection to people. They love Community, but that's all. \n\nDan: But if you think of your six Right. \n\nDean: Yeah, they're very simple. \n\nDan: They get rid of the eye. They'd wipe out the eye people really fast. \n\nDean: Exactly. A mill that's 150 years old. \n\nDan: I found from their great great grandmother you know, yeah, yeah, there's a famous temple in Japan. This will be. \n\nI have to jump right now afterwards, but there's a temple in that every 20 years it's totally torn down and rebuild again. Okay, and this has been happening now for 2000 years. So every 20, that's 100 times, 100 times, wow, and, and, and they have to find wood that's exactly like the wood you know that, the original or the existing one they have to replace with the same kind of woods. There's no mechanical parts of the temple, it's all done with drilling, with ancient yeah and everything they use now. \n\nThe light screws, yeah, everything like that, and and an American coming into contact with this experience would say why? Why do you do it? Why don't you do it the next time? Why don't you build something different? You know, and, and I said because they have created enormous meaning and purpose out of something that's always the same. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: So you know, convenience is a capability, but it's not the really purpose. It's not the ruling me. Right, convenience is not the ruling me. That's a discussion I like you yeah, I really, of course. Let's have a four C's dual. Let's have a four C's dual one, okay, when you do your first free zone with you and I will have a dual in the front of the room between your four C's and my four C's. \n\nDean: Okay, there we go. I like it. \n\nDan: Well, one of them is the same because we have capability and common, and I think capability is the master one. \n\nDean: Yeah, and you're not. You don't think collaboration there. You're putting collaboration as a capability. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, I think the other three are actually, I think capability is the center of your four C's and the other three are enhanced capabilities. Connectivity, collaboration and convenience are always being developed new in the world. I love it All right. \n\nDean: Okay, thank you. Well, always great, dan. I'll look forward to next week. \n\nDan: Yeah, and I'll be on the way home from the cottage next Sunday, so I won't be able to so to be the Sunday after. \n\nDean: Okay, no problem, two weeks Okay yeah. \n\nDan: Okay, okay, okay, thanks have a great time, bye-bye. Okay, bye. \n\nDean: Bye. 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Lightheartedly, we touch on frequent flyer miles and a Buenos Aires stem cell treatment trip. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eShifting to business, we analyse the impactful Working Genius model\u0026#39;s six elements - \u003cbr\u003e\nWonder, \u003cbr\u003e\nInvention, \u003cbr\u003e\nDiscernment, \u003cbr\u003e\nGalvanisation, \u003cbr\u003e\nEnablement and \u003cbr\u003e\nTenacity. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere are a lot of nuggets in this episode that prompt us to reevaluate what truly enriches our world.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe discuss the fascinating exploration of an immortality gene found by a doctor, that has the potential to revolutionize human life.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe touch on the effects of altitude on our bodies and share some anecdotes about our trips for stem cell treatments.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe delve into the Working Genius model and its six elements that foster successful collaborations in business.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eMark Lechance and Babs share their experiences with the Working Genius model, emphasizing its practical benefits.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe share the thrilling story of Matt, a man of Discernment and Tenacity, who successfully navigated domain name issues to set up a project in real time.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe examine the dynamics of travel and connectivity, challenging the notion that convenience and comfort are sources of happiness.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe discuss the importance of purpose and meaning in achieving true happiness and explore the future of transportation, including the possibility of human-carrying drones.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe analyze the psychological limits of convenience in our modern era, and encourage listeners to reconsider the value of real experiences over convenience.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe explore the future of travel convenience, discussing how modern technologies have reduced travel friction and predicting the future of transportation.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe discuss the concept of convenience, how it is interpreted differently by different people, and reflect on the emotional experience of convenience.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Sullivan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank God, there we go. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e There we go. Thank God we\u0026#39;re recording. Yeah, I don\u0026#39;t like the sound. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t like the sound. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e There was just an interruption, that\u0026#39;s all I don\u0026#39;t like the sound of that voice of yours. What\u0026#39;s up? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I just got a cold, I got a head cold Friday, I think. And here I am. Here I am, though, and I\u0026#39;ll use the capability that I have available to me to have a great podcast. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e There we go. I love it. Well, I missed you last week. I\u0026#39;ve had a great two weeks. Lots to catch up on. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m sure you\u0026#39;ve had it in the last few weeks. Yeah, we did. We were at DaVinci 50 and Sundance. I\u0026#39;ve never been there before. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e How did you like? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e that. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s a neat place, it\u0026#39;s sort of a neat place, but Babs doesn\u0026#39;t operate good at 7,000 feet. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, boy, okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So she has some issues. But, she went and she got a. What\u0026#39;s it called? It\u0026#39;s an IV that you take that pumps your energy up. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I knew, yeah, so fortunately we had a lot of medical advice around us. A little bit, yeah and they were able to get right on it. She had it, but she wasn\u0026#39;t sleeping well and I\u0026#39;m pretty good. I don\u0026#39;t have that problem at altitude, but there was a lot of downhill climbing from our room to the. And my knee, which hopefully, and we\u0026#39;re off to Buena Cerras, Argentina the first week of November to get stem cell treatment for my knee, so hopefully that\u0026#39;ll be done. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, yeah, we fly in overnight. They pick us up at the airport, take us right to the clinic and I get an injection in the first hour when I\u0026#39;m there and that\u0026#39;s my stem cells coming back at me and the promise is that I will grow a new cartilage. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And how long does it take for that to be noticeable? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s about six months until it grows back. That\u0026#39;s what I\u0026#39;m told, and there\u0026#39;s a protocol of not putting too much stress on it, not to go hog wild. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, how perfect is that You\u0026#39;ll have a new me for your AB of perfect I will Just about, and that\u0026#39;s exactly right It\u0026#39;ll be on. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e My birthday will be six and a half months and this will be six months. We go down twice more so that they can check on the progress, and so our frequent flyer miles are going to go up, and it\u0026#39;s a long, long flight. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Nine hours have you been to Plano Furniture before? I have not. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I have not this is the first time and they\u0026#39;re I think they\u0026#39;re either an hour or two hours ahead of Toronto time. Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e One of the things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, no, they\u0026#39;re an hour and a half Exactly. That\u0026#39;s so funny, but it\u0026#39;s sort of when you look at the map. It\u0026#39;s always a shock to me how that, if you go to London Ontario, all of South America sits east of London Ontario. That\u0026#39;s wild, isn\u0026#39;t it? Yeah, it\u0026#39;s amazing Because you think of South America being under North America but it actually curves around to the east and Ecuador. The west coast of Ecuador is the furthest point in South America and that lines up perfectly with London Ontario and, for those who are listening, it\u0026#39;s sort of Columbus Ohio, if you think of Columbus. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, right, right, there you go. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Dream of Iowa. Yeah, and Americans, you know Ontario. Where\u0026#39;s Ontario? Isn\u0026#39;t that near Los Angeles? You? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e know they have an airport here. It\u0026#39;s called Ontario yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Ontario Airport. You know. Well, that\u0026#39;s great. Well, of course it\u0026#39;s east of Ontario, california, but you know we\u0026#39;re talking about a province that is basically the size of Western Europe. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s probably the size of Europe, but Ontario. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I was realizing the vastness. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e When I got to understand the vastness of Ontario I realized somebody pointed out that you could drive north in Ontario the distance between Toronto and Florida and still be in Ontario. That\u0026#39;s pretty big right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And if you did east to west, from Cornwall to Canora, that\u0026#39;s basically two cities in Ontario. It\u0026#39;s the same distance as Washington DC to Kansas City. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow, okay, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, there we go. That is pretty much about all the Canadians huddled close to the border. 90% of the Canadian population is within 100 miles of the US border. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s great. Well, any big shares from Da Vinci. What\u0026#39;s coming down the pipe? You got new me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, the biggest thing. First of all, richard is a phenomenally good chooser of great speakers. Yeah, and it\u0026#39;s always very, very enlightening, if not shocking, some of the research that\u0026#39;s being done, and I think we have a couple of doctors who were there. And one of the doctors, doctor doctor West, says that it\u0026#39;s pretty clear now that there\u0026#39;s a fundamental gene, if you will I\u0026#39;m not sure exactly what the terminology is- but, it\u0026#39;s a gene, that\u0026#39;s the immortality gene, okay, and they\u0026#39;ve been able to zero in on it because none of our genes die. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean the body they\u0026#39;re in dies, but none of the genes themselves actually die. They\u0026#39;re immortal and because we all have them, so all humans have them, and every time a new human being is born, it\u0026#39;s basically picking up on a couple of million years of genetic development. Yeah so they know that those are immortal. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd but in each individual there\u0026#39;s a turnoff, there\u0026#39;s a series of turnoff mechanisms I\u0026#39;ll just use a more understandable term here and they\u0026#39;re zeroing in on this. For example, there are life forms that don\u0026#39;t die flat, flat, flat, flat. Worms, for example, don\u0026#39;t die. You know, they, they just never die. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd you cut them in half and you can cut them in half, and doesn\u0026#39;t matter which half, and they can regrow the other half back. So so you know, I mean, it\u0026#39;s just really, it\u0026#39;s just really interesting where all this is going. I mean, what\u0026#39;s the time frame for this, to discover this? Well, they don\u0026#39;t know that, you know. But the bare fact that they\u0026#39;re they now think it\u0026#39;s possible and that they\u0026#39;re experiment way. I just find all that stuff interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I find it very interesting too. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s great. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, it\u0026#39;s kind of the fact that we can know that DNA exists. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean the fact that somebody discovered that and I mean it\u0026#39;s just, how would you even know to look for something like that? Right, yeah, we take it, you know we\u0026#39;re. It\u0026#39;s so amazing, the things that I mean that\u0026#39;s all happened in the big change from 1975 to 19. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They\u0026#39;re 2025, you know, I\u0026#39;ve been really thinking about that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That too, the you know the the biggest change If we take, if we extend out to 2025. I think that period of 1975 to 2025 is going to be, you know, civilization changing yeah you know scope of what\u0026#39;s happened here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but it\u0026#39;s like yeah. Well, my redone it is, that it\u0026#39;s the people who benefit from this. It\u0026#39;s not going to be worldwide. The next 50 years let\u0026#39;s say 2025 to 2075, I think that. I think what we\u0026#39;re going to see is massive political and economic change, because there\u0026#39;s a there\u0026#39;s a point where you wanted to become a powerful technological country. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd at this point not many have. I mean, if you think of all the countries in the world, the US is clearly, you know, in the lead, and the US has just so many other things going for it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, it\u0026#39;s geography, for one thing, that\u0026#39;s, it\u0026#39;s really hard to invade the United States. I mean, first of all, 3000 miles of water one way and 5000 miles of water the other way, and then you have the Gulf of Mexico, and then you have Mexico. But Mexico in the 200 miles south of the US border is desert and mountain. It\u0026#39;s not a it\u0026#39;s not a populated area, and then the North North Canadians were always a threat, but now that they\u0026#39;ve nationalized pot, that\u0026#39;s that\u0026#39;s neutralizing that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eRight and Canada. Weren\u0026#39;t we going to invade the United? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e States. I think the US looks at Canada, the natural resource reserve tank attached to their northern border. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know well it\u0026#39;s, it\u0026#39;s. It\u0026#39;s America\u0026#39;s biggest gated community. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You have to check in at the gate you know, they make you check in at the gate and you can\u0026#39;t bring in guns and they want to know if you have any alcohol. They want to know if you have any tobacco. They\u0026#39;re not interested in you if you have any new ideas. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so you\u0026#39;ll love this. I\u0026#39;ve got four C\u0026#39;s that I\u0026#39;ve observed here, looking for the next 25 years and the I observe that, but you\u0026#39;re going to tell me about that in the next podcast, right? Oh, I can tell you about it right now. Here we go. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e All right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So the first is increase, and I love how you always say increasing, as taken this from you, but increasing connectivity with the farthest outposts of the mainland. That is going to be a big driver of the next 25 years. I think we can if we\u0026#39;re guessing and betting. That\u0026#39;s where that\u0026#39;s what I was thinking about, if I\u0026#39;m guessing what\u0026#39;s going to happen in the 25 years. What can I bet on? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I bet on increasing connectivity with the farthest outposts of the mainland and that I don\u0026#39;t think you can go wrong and I think that, as the technologies are evolving, that will facilitate that connection. That\u0026#39;s going to be a big thing. I saw something dance. You know I haven\u0026#39;t really been so on board with the metaverse and then I saw and I don\u0026#39;t know whether you saw it the most recent video of Lex Friedman and Mark Zuckerberg having a chat in the metaverse with the latest version of the Facebook Visual avatar development where it creates a photo, realistic version of you, three dimensional, in your inner three dimensional space, and you could tell I mean first watching it on the video it\u0026#39;s stunningly realistic and impressive. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut you could tell that that Lex Friedman even said he\u0026#39;s having an emotional experience. This is so uncanny that he\u0026#39;s got the you know, the new meta headset on, but his feeling is like he\u0026#39;s 100% for real in the room with Mark Zuckerberg, like literally having a real conversation with a real person, and that I think that\u0026#39;s the first I\u0026#39;ve seen of what potentially could be what comes here. You know, because it was really, it was really pretty stunning. When you\u0026#39;re watching the video, I\u0026#39;ll send you the, I\u0026#39;ll send you the link, unless you\u0026#39;ve already seen it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no, I haven\u0026#39;t. This is the first I\u0026#39;ve heard of it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, so they have. They basically have a. They split the screen like a try screen where you can see Lex or Mark with the headset on, like where they really are talking and what they\u0026#39;re saying. Then they show the middle version, which is kind of the digitized version of what\u0026#39;s happening, like all the without the shell on it kind of thing, and then they show the final, the real thing, and it look, if you just look at the visual thing, you would never be able to detect that this is not real. And that\u0026#39;s the first that I\u0026#39;ve seen where there\u0026#39;s no latency, there\u0026#39;s no, you know, telltale, you know mismatching of the mouth movements or the eye movements or anything like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIf you just saw the third version of it, you would think that\u0026#39;s really Mark Zuckerberg in real time talking and that\u0026#39;s really Lex Friedman, and so that was like that opened my eyes to and they were just kind of in a, you know, a black background kind of thing, like in almost this. They\u0026#39;re in a black, like on the Charlie Rose show or something you know, just their things. But you can imagine in, you know, giving fast forward into 2025, the overlaid on any visual environment. You could place them in at table 10, at jocks, you know, or at the select bistro and they\u0026#39;re surrounded and, having that experience, I literally. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI would. I would put because you know what, I\u0026#39;ve said it and you\u0026#39;ve said it that I don\u0026#39;t really have any interest in putting on the goggles because I haven\u0026#39;t seen an environment that\u0026#39;s real. You know, but if I could put on those goggles and have a real table 10 experience with you, I would put on the goggles. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That was that impressive, you know so that means I have to agree. No, it\u0026#39;s one of the things I you know I\u0026#39;m I\u0026#39;m taking your description of it as real, but yeah, I haven\u0026#39;t had the experience so I don\u0026#39;t really know, you know yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So, anyway, I\u0026#39;ll check it, I\u0026#39;ll check it out, and yeah so there\u0026#39;s the first, that\u0026#39;s the first C for guessing embedding connectivity, connectivity, that then that I think, if I\u0026#39;m guessing, embedding on the next 25 years our increasing capabilities, both on demand and on cap. You know, I think if we look at the capabilities that AI is going to provide for us, I\u0026#39;m starting, you\u0026#39;re starting to see now the real applications of this. Where you take these, these avatar technologies of being able to create your own digital avatar. I fully believe, now that that is going to be in detect undetectable difference between the real, I mean a digital representation, the real video that I had performed, or a digital AI have done it. So those, all those capabilities on demand, along with and if those are not, capabilities on demand through connectivity with the farthest outreaches of the mainland to every other human that\u0026#39;s out there, you know, for the special, for the special things you know well not every other human being, but just the one. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, the ones the ones who are on the main, the ones who are connected in cloud land you know, because, because I believe in Dunbar\u0026#39;s law, that we only have emotional capability for at most about 150. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. I mean everybody. First of all, I can\u0026#39;t comprehend what everybody means, you know. I know Dean and I know Joe and I know. And you guys use up all my time. You know I don\u0026#39;t have time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I was just going to say thankfully, we\u0026#39;re solidly entrenched in each other\u0026#39;s top 150. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean the other, the other eight, you know eight billion plus right, I mean I, I\u0026#39;m told they exist, but they don\u0026#39;t really have that much. They don\u0026#39;t have a place in my future, that much. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, right, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I love it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And then the number three. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Number three, yes, yeah collaboration that\u0026#39;s going to lead to better and better and better collaboration opportunities with both humans and technology. I can\u0026#39;t wait to reach your how to treat technology like a well-trained dog or whatever. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e What is it like? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Like a great dog Like a great dog. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I own owning technology like a great dog. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWhen is that coming out? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, it\u0026#39;s out. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s out, oh it is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you should have gotten a notice in the email that you can download the ebook. Okay, I\u0026#39;ll see you about that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think that\u0026#39;s fantastic. I had on the collaboration front. I had a really amazing widget extension. I\u0026#39;ve had a great experience this past couple of weeks here. The widget, of course, the working genius model, I see how useful. This is now in collaboration. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We\u0026#39;ve got three of our team members trained as facilitator or training other people to use working genius. The moment you told me about it, I looked it up. We have the same UNI or the same we have the same. We\u0026#39;re inventors and we\u0026#39;re discerners. Babs is an inventor, is that yours? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I\u0026#39;m DI your ID. I mean, I imagine it\u0026#39;s the same thing, but Babs is what? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e She\u0026#39;s IG, she\u0026#39;s a galvanizer. Okay, yeah, right yeah, and I\u0026#39;m proof of it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So that\u0026#39;s great, that\u0026#39;s the perfect thing. That\u0026#39;s your secret formula, right there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I\u0026#39;m proof of it. Yeah, she galvanized me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and so I had a really great experience with Mark Litchett. Why don\u0026#39;t? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e we explain to those who don\u0026#39;t know what we\u0026#39;re talking about Sure Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So Mark, of course, unless you want to Go? Ahead. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, go ahead. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, so this was introduced to me by James Drage and James introduced this working genius model and you can find it at workinggeniuscom and it\u0026#39;s one of the most useful assessments that I\u0026#39;ve ever come across, right Right up there with Colby, because I think I would rank them. Probably I would rank widget at the top, colby second, and I also like I find Myers-Briggs very useful, but I know you\u0026#39;re not as big a fan of Myers-Briggs as I am. But the way that workinggenius works is that we all have workinggenius, which are things that we find effortless, really coincides with our unique ability, really harmonizes with all the strategic coach concepts and the idea is that every team needs, every collaboration, needs somebody in each of the six elements and the six calls spell out the word widget. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo W is for wonder, someone who can look at something and see all the ways that this could be improved or where could we go with this. Then I is invention, which is making stuff up. There\u0026#39;s a lot of I\u0026#39;s in strategic coach. It would probably be, you know. Also, they would correlate with being quick starts, I\u0026#39;m sure. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eG is for discernment, the ability to look at options and know what the right thing to do is, to have a highly confident ability in discerning that this is the right thing to do. G is galvanizing, which is someone who has a genius for gathering all the people and elements that are needed to get something accomplished. E is for enablement, which is someone who can support the people who are doing the thing to make sure that everybody has everything they need to complete the task. And T is for tenacity, and tenacity is someone who has a high follow through, who makes things happen and takes things all the way to completion, so fast forward. I\u0026#39;m in a boardroom in Boca Raton with Mark Lechance and some of his team and I had this amazing experience of Isn\u0026#39;t that amazing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We just had a metaverse experience because I\u0026#39;m the one that started the call with the cold, but now you have the cold? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think mine is. I\u0026#39;m out in my courtyard and I can tell that our pollen count is very high right now, but anyway, I\u0026#39;m sitting there and I noticed how there\u0026#39;s one of the guys on well, there were six of us in the room, but Mark Lechance is a galvanizer with invention, a galvanizer invention and I\u0026#39;m starting to identify like the one sentence summary of what these things are. So, mark\u0026#39;s like one word, one sentence, like super power is gathering people, gathering the capabilities that you guys are super smart. Here\u0026#39;s what I think we could do, you know, like this inventing all the coming up with ideas or the things that could be done. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThen there was a gentleman there, matt, who is a D, he\u0026#39;s a, he\u0026#39;s got discernment and tenacity and my observation of that is that he would see something and say that\u0026#39;s a good idea, and then the next word out of his mouth were done and he, like we were talking about something, we, you know, I came up, I was, you know, discernment and invention is my thing and I came preloaded with this is what I think we should do. We were doing, we have a VCR, vision capability, reach opportunity with one of the projects that Mark runs, and I came in already preloaded with here\u0026#39;s the ideas. Well, I think we should do, which was, you know, it\u0026#39;s a really great, great idea and we, you know, came up with the domain name, the whole thing, and literally right there in the, in the meeting you know, matt went and bought the domain name, set up like all these things are happening in real time and getting making something real you know, and so it was really amazing to see that, that collaboration between you know, the widget experience there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I see now, like I realized, galvanizing that I would have guessed that Babs is a galvanizer, because that has been. You know that. That\u0026#39;s the, that\u0026#39;s the main thing that drives your ability to get your ideas into real world things. It\u0026#39;s galvanizing the unique ability, teamwork of everybody on your, on your team, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and she just knows how to create team. I mean she, she knows how to create team leaders, she knows how to create teams and the teams have their, you know, they have their projects and they have their goals. And you know they have their measure measurements and everything like that, but one of the one of the things I\u0026#39;ve noticed about Babs is that she doesn\u0026#39;t really comprehend the impact that she has just by being in the room. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean, how do you observe that? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e How do? You see, no, no, things just happen when she\u0026#39;s in the room. Yeah, and in any situation, if you were somewhere with Babs and they had to get something done and within about an hour or two hours she\u0026#39;d be, she would be chosen as the leader. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Without her saying anything. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right yeah, right, right, right yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, I mean she\u0026#39;s six foot two and that helps you know, because she has a core. But you know, often, frequently, she\u0026#39;s the tallest person in the room, but she just has a, she has command in her strength. Yeah, Command is number one. Yeah, you know. She just basically says okay, let\u0026#39;s get started, let\u0026#39;s get something done here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd you know, and you know I mean that\u0026#39;s my life is divided into two parts before I met Babs and after I met, after I was with Babs. Yeah, and you know, it\u0026#39;s just real clear that I\u0026#39;m just always highly motivated when I\u0026#39;m around here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, what are you looking at? Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m looking at you, I remember you telling me and we\u0026#39;re in the 42nd year of AAMD. Oh, that\u0026#39;s funny, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You\u0026#39;ve done you\u0026#39;ve. You\u0026#39;ve gotten three. What\u0026#39;s number four? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, so the fourth is convenience that we\u0026#39;re observing less and less friction in day to day interactions and mainland to Plumlandia, you know communication. So convenience, you know. I remember I think in 2016 or something, I read that article that I\u0026#39;ve shared about the tyranny of convenience and how we start to see it\u0026#39;s a never ending, you know, desire to make things easier and better and ratcheting those advancements without going backwards. You know, and that\u0026#39;s really I think, if I were to guess and bet on things being more convenient, increasingly convenient, over the next 25 years, I think we\u0026#39;re going to be. I think that\u0026#39;s a good bet and you know, you start to see that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI think that, as we\u0026#39;re, we\u0026#39;re already seeing things like you know, one click ordering from Amazon. That\u0026#39;s now gotten into. You know, apple Pay and Google Pay and Amazon Pay you never there\u0026#39;s no need to ever type your credit card into anything to buy online. But I see how that\u0026#39;s going If we chart out where the room in convenience is. I also see, I see companies like Rocket Mortgage, you know, foreshadowing where we\u0026#39;re headed, that when we start seeing everybody\u0026#39;s got access to all of the data we\u0026#39;re all going to be, you know, pre-underwritten in background. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eFor anything we\u0026#39;re going to have some, you know, available capital or available credit, you know pre-assigned already. You know that we literally will be able to push a button and get approval instantly for whatever we want, and I believe that the blockchain and smart contracts and all of these things are going to make things more and more convenient over the next 25 years, and that\u0026#39;s where I\u0026#39;ve gotten so far. Those, so the connectivity yeah Well, I think they\u0026#39;re good. So connectivity- Number one ��로 liability Number two. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eElaboration number three. Elaboration and convenience, convenience. Uh-huh, it\u0026#39;s good, I think those are, and there\u0026#39;s probably more. Well, you know those are the first, uh, first four. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I wouldn\u0026#39;t push it beyond four. Make the others be servants of the first four. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, you know. One of the things is. So what\u0026#39;s the role of uh? Travel that takes time, it\u0026#39;s the uh. I\u0026#39;m asking you a question here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think it\u0026#39;s the. Uh, what\u0026#39;s the? What\u0026#39;s the? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e what\u0026#39;s the role of travel that takes time? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e The physical, First of all. It happens? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Travel happens in the mainland because if I can just, of course, if I can just click or have a thought and I\u0026#39;m so yeah and I\u0026#39;m meeting somewhere else, then it hasn\u0026#39;t required travel. And it doesn\u0026#39;t, it doesn\u0026#39;t take time. So, and I think that that\u0026#39;s where? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so the you know the inconvenience of travel is what is? Two things. That\u0026#39;s inconvenient and it happens at the speed of reality. You have to move your, your, your meat puppet from one out. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I, I\u0026#39;m going to call you that. I think that\u0026#39;s. I think that\u0026#39;s a bad term. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e The meat. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And I think it diminishes your body and the one thing I want to tell you about, about virtual reality. You\u0026#39;re only using sight and sound. You\u0026#39;re only using sight and sound. You\u0026#39;re not using touch, you\u0026#39;re not using taste and you\u0026#39;re not. You know, and my sense is that actually, sight and sound make up about less than 10% of what the body actually uses to function. Okay, so, I can understand why my Mark Zuckerberg wants to be in another realm because he can\u0026#39;t be speed. He\u0026#39;s trying to find a place where he can\u0026#39;t be subpoenaed. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know so. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, right, yeah. And I understand that because he doesn\u0026#39;t look like a human being who does well in terms of relationship and you know, and everything else, and I can understand why he wants to find another realm to do it, but we\u0026#39;ve got a million years of actually creating value out of things that take time and things that you know you have to travel over distance. Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I don\u0026#39;t think there, I don\u0026#39;t. I can\u0026#39;t sum up all that just as inconvenience, Right yeah. I mean learning doesn\u0026#39;t. Learning doesn\u0026#39;t happen instantaneously, learning happens over time. Yeah, so I\u0026#39;m just the American as you put the four things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAs you put the four things together, I\u0026#39;m saying, yeah, but you know, when I go on a long trip, you know, for example, it takes two and a half hours for us to drive to the cottage. Okay, yeah, and I\u0026#39;ve been interested in plots during those two and a half hours that I wouldn\u0026#39;t have if I just touched a button and I was in the cottage. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, yeah, you think that part of the experience of it is the fact that it took a long time to get there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah there was a price. There was a price for it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you know yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And if I agree, yeah. So yeah, I\u0026#39;m, I\u0026#39;m. I don\u0026#39;t have the answer to this. I\u0026#39;m asking the question. I don\u0026#39;t have the answer. I have the answer to it yeah. But I\u0026#39;m noticing that convenience and comfort don\u0026#39;t necessarily make people happy. Uh huh, I think purpose and meaning make people happy. You know achievement combined with purpose and meaning. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And my experience is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That takes a bit of time. That takes a bit of time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And so yeah. Well, that makes a lot of sense. I mean there\u0026#39;s so, um, yeah, that does it makes a lot of sense. And these are just uh. So I do, I\u0026#39;m looking at, no, I think they\u0026#39;re they\u0026#39;re available. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I think what you\u0026#39;re saying is that actually they all come under the heading of capability. You know it\u0026#39;s obviously a huge jump in capability, because connectivity and um and uh uh, collaboration and uh and uh and convenience are great capabilities, you know, and I think people are always striving for greater capabilities. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I agree, yeah, yeah, yeah. There\u0026#39;s something there\u0026#39;s always going to be real. There\u0026#39;s always going to be a higher value on on real. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I believe that we\u0026#39;re definitely missing out. You know, and it\u0026#39;s not by an order of just a small percentage, I mean, it\u0026#39;s exponentially different. I think you know um say say what? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ewhat I think in the convenience, yeah when I was going to convenience things is that I think that the ability to make that travel, which is still highly valuable, being present in in a place is still highly valuable, um, but the elimination of friction in in doing that To the extent that you can, is going to be, I think, a safe bet. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eUh, when you look at I it was, it was funny, we were, I was having a conversation with someone about the the newest travel trend. Uh, in mainstream travel is the private terminals that are popping up now, like at LAX there\u0026#39;s was the first one that I heard of where you can bypass the, the main terminal. You go to a private terminal where you pull up, they valet park your car, you go into a suite that\u0026#39;s got, you know, just a food and whatever you allow Comfortable for you to wait for your flight. You go through security, everything that\u0026#39;s necessary, checking in the whole thing, and then, when it\u0026#39;s time they drive you in, you know a BMW or an SUV, they drive you to on the ramp, to those where the plane is, take you up and put you on your on your seat and off you go, and that level of friction, skipping from the curb to the gate, that\u0026#39;s what everybody is. That\u0026#39;s where all the the hassle of of mainland travel is once you\u0026#39;re on the plane. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNobody\u0026#39;s mad at the first class cabin of any airliner. It\u0026#39;s comfortable, it\u0026#39;s. The seats are great, the food is great, the you know the environment. Everything about it is is fine. You get to your, your destination. It\u0026#39;s just all the inconvenience from the curb to the gate. You know that we\u0026#39;re all the we\u0026#39;re all the thing is now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNow, and I also think, like recently, as you start seeing, I think it\u0026#39;s pretty clear we\u0026#39;re going to end up in a human carrying drone world where that, you know, drone flight is going to be, you know, for shorter, and it\u0026#39;s going to be a two hour drive into a 20 minute, you know, taxi, drone, taxi type of environment. I think we\u0026#39;ll see that in the next 25 years. I think that\u0026#39;s a that\u0026#39;d be a pretty safe bet. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ll let you bet that it doesn\u0026#39;t happen, okay, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Good and that\u0026#39;s interesting. So why? What makes? You think that, that, that it won\u0026#39;t happen. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, first of all, I don\u0026#39;t think the capital is going to be there over the next 25 years, because capital money is getting very, very expensive and it\u0026#39;s a function of the fact that transportation is getting very, very expensive. So when you have transportation very expensive, it makes money really expensive, it makes energy really expensive and it makes labor really expensive. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And I don\u0026#39;t think. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e First of all, I\u0026#39;ve never you may be the first person I\u0026#39;ve ever talked to had that as an aspiration or as a future thought, and my sense is that the next things to get invented is where there\u0026#39;s like an 80% aspiration in the marketplace. We\u0026#39;d like to have this, you know, and you know, and I think the Amazon has done well, because there\u0026#39;s an 80% wish that last minute purchasing or last minute shopping could be eliminated. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, there\u0026#39;s, there\u0026#39;s something. I think that\u0026#39;s true. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but one of the ways I\u0026#39;ve gone in the opposite direction, I\u0026#39;ve just eliminated all need for meetings that require travel. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, me too. How is the travel industry doing? So I would say that that\u0026#39;s more of an aspirator. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I would say that\u0026#39;s more of an aspiration than making travel comfortable. I would say not traveling at all is more of an aspiration. And, yeah, traveling with the least amount of friction. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I agree and that\u0026#39;s what I think would fit in with convenience. Well, I think we started going down that path. That was, I think that in every, in every way, in every element, I think convenience is really a driver right. That that\u0026#39;s kind of we\u0026#39;re definitely looking for things to be here and less friction. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Let\u0026#39;s look at the word convenience, because I think everybody\u0026#39;s got a different notion of what constitutes convenience. You know, and I think it\u0026#39;s is entirely defined by your situation in the mainland. I mean it only has been in relationship to the, to the. To the mainland I mean that my Apple computer comes on. It takes me, you know, five seconds to get on and I could do it in a second. I really don\u0026#39;t care. I really don\u0026#39;t care, you know right the five no five seconds. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe five seconds seems good enough for me, you know I don\u0026#39;t, I don\u0026#39;t need it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo first of all, I think there\u0026#39;s a point where convenience, or the striving for convenience, has a diminishing return. You know, because even at your personal airport, you know your private personal airport let\u0026#39;s say that pretty soon there\u0026#39;s going to be a desire on the ideal jet that there\u0026#39;s a first class and the second class Right, and people, people say, well, why are they up there and we\u0026#39;re, we\u0026#39;re back here and you\u0026#39;ve got every convenience in the world. But because it\u0026#39;s all psychological I mean all everything we\u0026#39;re talking about here is psychological. You know, pricey psychological. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I just feel that my notion of convenience may be different from your notion of convenience, you know. I mean if we went down step by step and we took our daily life and we went through, and everything like having food delivered to my house doesn\u0026#39;t interest. Well, first of all, by all, my food is delivered by house by one person. You know we have a caterer and yes, but, but I can name on two hands. A number of times we\u0026#39;ve ordered in from a you know a restaurant, you know so that doesn\u0026#39;t fall in my area of convenience, right yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The other aspect about it is that traveling not under compulsion, in other words, I\u0026#39;m not compelled to travel, but just getting out and driving around. I find that interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, even like going up to the cottage or going. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e yeah, yeah, I find it interesting and you know, we have a halfway stop at Tim Hortons where we\u0026#39;ve never eaten, but we\u0026#39;ve always peed. The restroom is always in the same place. It\u0026#39;s always clean. It\u0026#39;s great. My definition of Tim Hortons in Canada is where white people go to get whiter. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Have you ever experienced webbers? No, we go up to 404. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We\u0026#39;re heading to the east. We\u0026#39;re not heading to the east. We\u0026#39;ve been on 400 and I\u0026#39;ve passed it, but the line up looked inconvenient. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you know it was quite a thing that they did was because that was kind of like the official stopping point of the way up to Muscova. That everybody would, you know, friday night stop and get a burger at Webbers. And then they brought in a great extent an overpass. They bought the land across before the oh no yeah. They brought in a great expense on an overpass that you could. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, they could put in another parking lot. That\u0026#39;s why they did it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s now convenient to stop on your way home, because it was super inconvenient. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s really interesting the I just want to zero in on the idea that convenience is uniquely defined. I think you\u0026#39;re right. So I think a lot of the technology people make a guess that everybody is going to enjoy a new level of convenience that they\u0026#39;re creating and they\u0026#39;re generalizing they have to generalize human nature, that everybody\u0026#39;s going to like this. I think it\u0026#39;s a form of projection on the part of the inventors that, because they find it convenient to everybody else, only 16% of technology startups succeed. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe thing, so it means that 84% of them. Yeah, I would say that most technologies are created to satisfy some form of convenience. Yeah, I would say. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e There\u0026#39;s some definitions of convenience. I would love to go to the source here and see. So. Convenience is the state of being able to proceed with something with little effort or difficulty. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you and I are great believers in that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, the quality of being useful, easy or suitable for someone. And then the third is a thing that contributes to an easy and effortless way of life. Yeah, and so? I think, that that\u0026#39;s going, no matter what you\u0026#39;re doing, to making. I would argue that the virtual division of Strategic Coach has made it, through convenience, a possibility for people in what would otherwise be inconvenient parts of the world to participate. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and I think that you may. Zoom has, zoom has. Zoom has Zoom has. Yeah, my sense is that they Do. They need much more than Zoom. Do they need to actually have the feeling that they\u0026#39;re? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e there. Yeah, I don\u0026#39;t know. I mean, we\u0026#39;re not going to be able to. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean to be tested, yeah, to be experiment, tested. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I was just like you know. You know just at what appeared to be what was literally appearing in this thing. So that was. I\u0026#39;m just reporting the news. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah and yeah, I know he seemed real, but is he real? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and I was only seeing a 2D. I\u0026#39;m only seeing the 2D example of it, right? So, yeah, I can\u0026#39;t imagine what it would be like. If you Like Lex Friedman\u0026#39;s response to it I don\u0026#39;t know who he- is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e by the way, I don\u0026#39;t know who this person is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Lex Friedman is a very popular podcaster, similar in popularity as Joe Rogan, like that level, one of the top interview podcasters, very smart, intelligent guy. But yeah, this was His visibly, you know the visible reaction that he was having to. It was like he was having a hard time really describing the impact, the emotional experience that he was having of this and he\u0026#39;s a pretty non-emotional guy. That\u0026#39;s part of the you know the term he\u0026#39;s of. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, I\u0026#39;m going to have. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m going to have to have the experience I\u0026#39;m going to have to. The experience you know yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e By the way, that whole. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know us being able to. It\u0026#39;s just so funny to think now of all of these things, like I just see the layering, of this constant improvement in understanding of both our unique abilities and the unique capabilities that are being presented to us and the convenience of collaboration. Did you watch 60 Minutes? Yeah, you don\u0026#39;t watch any TV, so there was. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I am innocent of the experience. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you know who Rick Rubin is? He\u0026#39;s a music producer. He\u0026#39;s regarded as maybe the oh, no, no. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve watched his YouTubes. I\u0026#39;ve watched his YouTubes. Yeah, he\u0026#39;s a great guy, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Really, he plays guitar. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e He plays guitar right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No, he doesn\u0026#39;t. He doesn\u0026#39;t play anything, which is really. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Which is really impressive. Somebody else that I\u0026#39;m thinking of he does a really great job of telling you why a song works or how a song works and everything. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, he\u0026#39;s a white hair. Yeah, I\u0026#39;m looking at white hair. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Looks like Nafuzela. He\u0026#39;s the no. You\u0026#39;re talking about Rick Beato. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e He\u0026#39;s the guy you\u0026#39;re talking about yeah, that\u0026#39;s who I\u0026#39;m, that\u0026#39;s what. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m talking about. Yeah, no, rick Rubin looks like Nafuzela, he\u0026#39;s got a beard and long hair, real zen kind of guy. But he was on 60 Minutes with Anderson Cooper and it was pretty. There\u0026#39;s some great sound bites from it. Because Anderson Cooper was asking him well, what is it that you do? Can you play instruments? And Rick said barely Could you work a sound board? And he said I have no technical ability and I know nothing about music, like actual music things. And Anderson asked him well, what do you get paid for? And he said he thought for a second and said the confidence that I have in my case and my ability to express what I feel has proven helpful for artists. And I thought there\u0026#39;s a guy, if we were to do a widget on him, I\u0026#39;m sure he\u0026#39;s a GI, I\u0026#39;m sure he has discernment and invention as his two things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou can see, this is a good idea, this is the big idea here, and this is what I think you should do. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You have a visitor in the recording. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s a crow. I think it\u0026#39;s funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Don\u0026#39;t you know that you\u0026#39;re sitting. Don\u0026#39;t you know that you\u0026#39;re occupying his space? I? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e must be. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, he\u0026#39;s trying to tell you to get out. This is my space, Anyway it\u0026#39;s all interesting. I keep coming back to the whole concept of the difference between convenience and comfort, and purpose and meaning. Yeah because my limousine company that I have in Toronto oftentimes has these sort of elite lifestyle magazines that advertises places to go and none of the people look happy. Yeah they look true. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey look like they look like they\u0026#39;ve got everything they want, and that hasn\u0026#39;t made them happy. You know, they look. They look sophisticated, they\u0026#39;re obviously wealthy and they have this, but it hasn\u0026#39;t done the trick. You know, it\u0026#39;s like models. It\u0026#39;s like models you know like in Vogue magazine. Babs gets some of the magazines and the Wall Street Journal once a month has a style magazine that comes with one of the additions and they all look well. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eFirst of all, I could draw a thought bubble above all their heads and say what I would give for a burger and fries, right, I mean, they look just, you know, they just look so unhappy and yeah, but they\u0026#39;re representing the top of the world in fashion. You know, the elite living there are the top and I said, yeah, but they\u0026#39;re, it\u0026#39;s absent. It\u0026#39;s absent meaning and purpose. You know, you\u0026#39;ve achieved something but and and people will sacrifice enormous amount of inconvenience for purpose and meaning. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo it\u0026#39;s an interesting discussion, isn\u0026#39;t it? No, I mean, I take it may. I\u0026#39;m not a cutting edge guy with technology, but when I hear enough of other people talking about things that seems to work, I said why don\u0026#39;t we just include this? And you know, and. I\u0026#39;m really driven by productivity. I like getting a lot of stuff done easier and faster, you know. But it\u0026#39;s the thing that is being achieved, that has meaning and purpose. It\u0026#39;s not the means of getting there. So yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think there\u0026#39;s a good, no, it\u0026#39;s an interesting this thing is you know, yeah, and we live in totally a lot of the world. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e We do. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that\u0026#39;s part of the thing is maybe the, the harmonizing of that is pointing convenience at the end of comfort or out of purpose and meaning. Yeah, to make speaking purpose and meaning more convenient there, there\u0026#39;s a new special on Netflix called Blue Zones and it\u0026#39;s yeah observation of Okay talk about it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, and those things, those people, inevitably. They live very simple lives about much adornment. They\u0026#39;ve got the if you guy, as the Japanese would say, the purpose, you know the meaning that, the thing that brings them joy, connection to people. They love Community, but that\u0026#39;s all. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But if you think of your six Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, they\u0026#39;re very simple. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They get rid of the eye. They\u0026#39;d wipe out the eye people really fast. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Exactly. A mill that\u0026#39;s 150 years old. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I found from their great great grandmother you know, yeah, yeah, there\u0026#39;s a famous temple in Japan. This will be. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI have to jump right now afterwards, but there\u0026#39;s a temple in that every 20 years it\u0026#39;s totally torn down and rebuild again. Okay, and this has been happening now for 2000 years. So every 20, that\u0026#39;s 100 times, 100 times, wow, and, and, and they have to find wood that\u0026#39;s exactly like the wood you know that, the original or the existing one they have to replace with the same kind of woods. There\u0026#39;s no mechanical parts of the temple, it\u0026#39;s all done with drilling, with ancient yeah and everything they use now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe light screws, yeah, everything like that, and and an American coming into contact with this experience would say why? Why do you do it? Why don\u0026#39;t you do it the next time? Why don\u0026#39;t you build something different? You know, and, and I said because they have created enormous meaning and purpose out of something that\u0026#39;s always the same. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So you know, convenience is a capability, but it\u0026#39;s not the really purpose. It\u0026#39;s not the ruling me. Right, convenience is not the ruling me. That\u0026#39;s a discussion I like you yeah, I really, of course. Let\u0026#39;s have a four C\u0026#39;s dual. Let\u0026#39;s have a four C\u0026#39;s dual one, okay, when you do your first free zone with you and I will have a dual in the front of the room between your four C\u0026#39;s and my four C\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, there we go. I like it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, one of them is the same because we have capability and common, and I think capability is the master one. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and you\u0026#39;re not. You don\u0026#39;t think collaboration there. You\u0026#39;re putting collaboration as a capability. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, I think the other three are actually, I think capability is the center of your four C\u0026#39;s and the other three are enhanced capabilities. Connectivity, collaboration and convenience are always being developed new in the world. I love it All right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, thank you. Well, always great, dan. I\u0026#39;ll look forward to next week. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and I\u0026#39;ll be on the way home from the cottage next Sunday, so I won\u0026#39;t be able to so to be the Sunday after. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, no problem, two weeks Okay yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, okay, okay, thanks have a great time, bye-bye. Okay, bye. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Bye. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In today's episode of Welcome To Cloudlandia, Dan and I explore Ontario, Canada, alongside a discussion of groundbreaking research on an immortality gene. A doctor shares insights into pinpointing this gene's phenomenal potential for humanity. Lightheartedly, we touch on frequent flyer miles and a Buenos Aires stem cell treatment trip. \r\n\r\nShifting to business, we analyse the impactful Working Genius model's six elements - \r\nWonder, \r\nInvention, \r\nDiscernment, \r\nGalvanisation, \r\nEnablement and \r\nTenacity. \r\n\r\nThere are a lot of nuggets in this episode that prompt us to reevaluate what truly enriches our world.\r\n\r\n","date_published":"2023-11-16T08:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/35842894-5d6c-40f7-a2df-0e6719d98e2b.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":55060357,"duration_in_seconds":3349}]},{"id":"2e49bc78-5ffe-4500-9e26-5274dc167f08","title":"Ep109: The Digital Revolution","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/109","content_text":"In today's episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we unpack the fascinating story of how Toronto transformed over the decades thanks to the pivotal work of urban theorist Jane Jacobs. \n\nAs we debate whether our growing dependency on virtual spaces like \"Cloudlandia\" is weakening local connections, we ponder journalism's evolution from its regional roots. We reminisce about bygone media eras over a nostalgic lunch at Table 10 and trace how universities and ideological factions shaped radio's founding. \n\nAs always, we aim to provide a balanced look at technology's ability to bring people together globally while potentially distancing them locally. \n\n\u0026amp;nbsp\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\nThe episode begins with a discussion about Jane Jacobs' significant role in preserving Toronto's neighborhoods in the 80s and how it has shaped the city to this day.\nThere's an exploration of the shift to Cloudlandia and how this virtual universe could be curbing our desire to travel and reinforcing local areas.\nWe rewind to the 80s and trace the evolution of regional media landscapes, debating the impact of Canadians having links to Florida and the emergence of new franchise models.\nDan and I discuss the rise of Cloudlandia and its impact on our lives, connecting us to the world like never before.\nThe power dynamics in radio broadcasting, specifically AT\u0026amp;T's control of the AM spectrum are examined.\nWe delve into the ideological divide in radio before the advent of the internet, discussing how universities pioneered FM radio, while AM radio was seized by the right-wing.\nWe contemplate the implications of geographical shifts and changing economic patterns triggered by our migration to the cloud.\nThe future of communication and travel is questioned, and whether our lives continue to be dictated by Newton's laws or if we're slowly transitioning into a world governed by Moore's Law.\nThe episode concludes with the hosts suggesting that as the virtual world expands, people may start reinforcing their local areas more, indicating a balance between global and local influences.\nOverall, the episode offers a thought-provoking journey through changing times, digital landscapes, and the very fabric of our lives.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean: Mr Sullivan. \n\nDan: Never gonna leave you. Never gonna leave you. Well come here I am. That's one thing about Cloudlandia Once you're in there, you can't leave. \n\nDean: It's so convenient you know it's addictive. It really is. How was your week? \n\nDan: I had a really super week, I have to tell you. I mean it was a four day week because of the holiday. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: And it's not so much what I'm doing, that's what the company is doing, and there's just all sorts of independent projects which have been more or less under the surface. You know, there's kind of an interesting woman from the 80s and economist by the name of Jane Jacobs have you ever heard that name? I haven't. \n\nDean: No. \n\nDan: Yeah, and you know, in Toronto, when they stopped the Spadina Expressway. Yeah, I don't know if you remember that. What seems like yeah, well, you know the Allen Expressway. \n\nDean: I do know the Allen. \n\nDan: Expressway. Yeah, that was supposed to be the Spadina Expressway and it went off. It's gonna go all the way down to the center of the city Right, right, right. Right through the center of the city and it would have gone to the Gardner, it would have hooked up and then they would have traded clover leaves down at the bottom. \n\nDean: And they would have had to remove. \n\nDan: They would have had to remove all those neighborhoods. It would have gone right through Forest Hills actually. I think that was part of the reason why it got stopped, because wealthy people have more votes than poor people. I don't know if you've noticed that Not in my backyard Right exactly. And then the other one was the Scarborough Expressway, which you know, the Gardner extension that went out to the beaches. \n\nDean: You know it went out and it was just called the. \n\nDan: Gardner yeah, it's completely gone. They tore that down one night, basically, oh my goodness. We were away for two days and we had it when we left and when we got back it was gone, you know and but that whole area of Lake now from basically charity, erie Streep, actually, you know where the Gardner goes up the Don Valley. \n\nDean: Yes, exactly. \n\nDan: Yeah, well, that's where you took the extension off and they just tore it down. They tore it down in two, two stages, once about 10 years ago, and then they tore it down again, and so, but this was all the 40 year impact of Jane Jacobs, okay, and she said that she had to preserve your neighborhoods if you're going to have a great city and to tear down I mean, and it's turned Toronto into a congestion madhouse. \n\nI mean, that's the downside of it, but on the upside of it, toronto you know, toronto tries to call itself a world class city. Have you ever come across that? And what I noticed is that world class cities don't call themselves world class cities, they just are. \n\nDean: New York. \n\nDan: New York doesn't call itself a world class city, it just is. London doesn't call itself a world class city, it just is you know. So if you're still calling yourself a world class city. That means you're not, oh man it's a Toronto life syndrome. I mean Toronto Life Magazine. \n\nDean: Yeah, and they're Toronto, by a magazine. I'm very intrigued, I'm very, I am very intrigued by these micro you know economies, or micro you know global lenses. I guess that we see through and you're not kind of talked about the whether that is. \n\nDan: I'm talking about mainland. This is mainland stuff. Yeah, that's what I mean. \n\nDean: Yeah, and I wonder if that is. I wonder if that sense is diminishing now that we've fully migrated. \n\nDan: No, I think it's okay, I think it's coming back with, with the vengeance actually you know, and my sense is that the week that COVID started in March I think it was March 13th, friday the 13th I remember when it visited itself upon us, when clients were saying you know, we were seeing 50% drop-offs in future attendance for workshops because of COVID and it was partially, you know, but it was the lockdowns, it was the dropping off of airline flights and everything else I remember I mean all our cash flow got taken away in about a month, right Right and we had to switch. \n\nWe had to switch to Zoom, you know, and and we had about a three month period where we just had to rework our entire you know, our entire business model to take all the in-person workshops and turn them over to Zoom workshops, you know. So, that's the upside of Cloudlandia, is that if they take away your mainland existence, you have to switch to Cloudlandia to compensate, and it's a bigger opportunity, bigger, broader everything. Yeah, but one of the downsides of this is that people don't feel like traveling anymore. \n\nDean: I mean are you talking about me? \n\nDan: No, I'm talking about us and you know. \n\nDean: I know, yeah, exactly. \n\nDan: I'm talking about everyone you meet, you know. \n\nDean: I know exactly. \n\nDan: You know, our only time when we have full attendance during the week, where we have people in the office, is Wednesday, monday and Tuesday, thursday and Friday, or when there's a in-person workshop. You have to be in the, you have to be in the company on workshop days. Okay and so, but the thing, the Jane Jacobs, the people who really got involved with the number one person in Toronto was Cromby, mayor Cromby, and he was one of the forefront leaders in stopping the Spadina Expressway and the Scarborough Expressway. Okay and so I'm just showing you the interrelationship between mainland and Cloudlandia. \n\nMy feeling is that the more that Cloudlandia expands, the more people go back and start reinforcing their local areas. That's what I wonder about the whole cycle. How's that for a topic that we didn't know about five minutes ago? \n\nDean: Well, exactly, but I think that I think there is something to that. You know, like I look at the, I think I've been I've mentioned before, like without having moved away from Toronto, like coming into Florida and yeah, when's the last time? \n\nDan: when's the last time you flew to Toronto? Yeah, no, it's been three years, and three years, yeah, the next time will be whenever, april, if you April, if you decide you're coming to Toronto 12th of April is the first Toronto oh it's already set, yeah, it takes us about a year, because we've got to guarantee that we've got a date when people can also do their 10 times workshop in person. I got you, okay, yeah, so you know, I mean pre-zoners, double duty, you know, they double. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah, okay. Well, this is very exciting. So April 12 is on my calendar then, okay. \n\nDan: I'm pretty sure you're taking a statistic from Dan Sullivan here. So yeah, we better double check on this Well, april 12 is Friday, yeah. It's in the calendar and I think the pre-zone is on or the 10 times is on the Thursday. \n\nDean: Okay, so the 11th and 12th. \n\nDan: All right. \n\nDean: Well, now we're talking. \n\nDan: Dan, and then Dan is on the Saturday and that's what I'm most excited about. \n\nDean: Yeah Well, this will be for those who aren't listening. \n\nDan: Table 10 is Dean and I met meeting for lunch on a Saturday, which really got everything we're doing together started was the table 10. \n\nDean: Exactly right. \n\nDan: Yeah, but that's a mainland, that's a mainland reality which may be possible. \n\nDean: Yes, that's exactly right and I think that this now this is where I can, as I've reflected, I look at where I've been spending time, taking snapshot comparisons this week of today and 25 years ago and seeing where we are. You know, if I look at 25 years and 30 years ago kind of thing, I look back at when I started my you know sort of being in the result economy or launched my entrepreneurial career in 1988. So I look at that as coming up on, you know, 35 years. \n\nDan: this year, 35 years, yeah, yeah, and I just want to look from there Well, it's 35 years. Right now it's 35 years. I mean, we're in the 35th year. \n\nDean: So yeah. \n\nDan: And, what's really interesting, our program where we have workshop programs, started in 1989. \n\nDean: So next year is our 35th year you know it's year 35. \n\nDan: So it's the 35th year of the program and I'll be 80 in May and I've been coaching for 50 years in August. Okay. So it's sort of an anniversary year Nashville in May we're going to have our first worldwide conference in Nashville. Coach Coach Con yeah, coach Con, coach Con, yeah, yeah you can take that in two ways. Coach Con. You can take Coach Con in two ways. Yeah, you can. It's the coach conference, or it's just shows you what 35 years of counting people will do for you. \n\nDean: Oh, that's so funny. Well, I'm very excited about both of those. I'm very excited about both of those things. So where I was going was, you know, in 1988, looking back at the things, it was very much a Toronto-centric kind of lens because I had spent. I left Toronto in 1984 to come down to Florida and finish up. I've been spending a lot of time down there. I spent, you know, I spent those years and driving through this I remember the first time driving down on my own. \n\nI had a friend with me. But driving down going through the different cities, like going through Dayton, ohio, and going through Cincinnati. \n\nDan: Ninety-five hits in 75. That's what we took. \n\nDean: That's the main route to Florida. That's the main route, exactly, yeah, yeah, you crossed over at. \n\nDan: Detroit. You probably crossed. Did you cross over at Detroit? \n\nDean: We got a tip to cross over at Port Huron, so up further, which was Further north yeah. \n\nDan: Yeah, but then once you were across it was a straight shot superhighway all the way to Florida, and the reason is that Canadians Florida is part of their Canada. Yeah, I mean Ontario. My Florida includesmy Canada includes Florida. \n\nDean: Yeah, exactly that's true, isn't it? It's like the Southern Extension. You've gotten places in or things in Canadians. Have, you know, links to Florida? You're absolutely right, yeah. \n\nDan: Half the Canadian adult population from around November to April. Well, let's say October to April includes Florida, Scottsdale. \n\nDean: I was just going to say that Calgary you look at the other side, then Calgary is. Yeah, calgary is connected to Palm Springs and Phoenix. \n\nDan: Yes, and then Maui, because I don't know what the situation is now, but I suspect they'll go to the part that didn't burn down. \n\nDean:\nYeah, but what struck me was the newspapers. So this is, what struck me is the newspapers and television stations, because we would stay, you know on the road. \n\nWe would Hotels. Yeah, you would stay, yeah, we would stay in a hotel. And so I don't always, you know, get the newspaper. I've had a long time love for USA Today, which I've always kind of loved as just getting a overview of everything. But it struck me how I had grown up with the lens newspaper, lens being the globe and mail, the Toronto Sun and the Toronto Star and looking that, you know, without any sense of left and right leaning. You know, I didn't understand at that point, you know, the bent of and how that shapes things. \n\nBut, it was amazing to me that I learned I got kind of on that deep level, these regional kind of markets you know I don't know how to fully describe it, but it was an awakening that I knew that, hey, if you've got something you know that worked in, it was kind of like this franchise. I'd be seeing franchise thinking in place, you know, in different places and seeing the Cracker Barrel restaurant. You have the same exact Cracker Barrel experience at any drop off point along Highway 75, you know, and so yeah. \n\nDan: And that was. \n\nDean: Yeah, at the time the thing was I mean in those days it was the new model. Yeah, yeah, for young college students traveling abroad. Right, but it was so great and that level of you know you wouldn't have any window into Louisville, kentucky, unless you're passing through Louisville and you tune in to the Louisville Echo Chamber or ecosystem where you're seeing the. Louisville anchors and the news and the local things, and you're reading the Louisville newspaper, you know. \n\nDan: And then Macon Georgia. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: Macon and everything. \n\nDean: Because you usually made. \n\nDan: I always remember that we shot for Louisville or Lexington on the first night. Yeah, lexington, yeah yeah, but we never saw any of the horse farms. Well, you did I mean because 75 went past the. But you never got off. \n\nDean: Yeah, yeah. \n\nDan: You had Oasis which were franchise Oasis. \n\nDean: Yeah, exactly, and that way you know what you're going to. You know what you're going to get you know, but now I see now how those things are like with the rise of Cloudlandia, the access to what's going on a national scale and global scale kind of thing, is what direct to the individual. You know, now you've got access to everything, and I've been. Do you follow or is on your list of news outlets? Do you come to Daily Wire? Is that part of your routine or? \n\nDan: are you familiar with. No, that's not one of my. \n\nDean: Do you know? \n\nDan: about the. \n\nDean: Daily Wire. \n\nDan: I've heard of it, but that's not really what I it's not. \n\nDean: No, I mean I'll look at it. \n\nDan: now that you're talking about it, I'll look at it. \n\nDean: Well, Ben Shapiro is the one who basically I know Ben, he's the guy that started the Daily Wire. \n\nDan: Yeah. I'm a Breitbart guy, I'm a Breitbart guy. I check daily caller town hall Breitbart, you know. \n\nDean: Yeah well, the Daily Wire is now a $200 million. They do $2 million a year now and they just Last year. If you think about the VCR formula. And the reason I'm bringing up the Daily Wire is that is a cloudland-centric, a media empire that was started 100% to be online and took advantage of one. They tapped into Facebook's reach and they funneled those people into get readership and get subscribers to their news service and use that money to buy more attention on Facebook. That was the whole very simple model and they executed it flawlessly. \n\nAnd so they built this huge reach and they had a relationship with Harry's Razors. Do you remember? \n\nDan: Oh yeah, Like Dollar. \n\nDean: Shade Club and Harry's Razors. So Harry's Razors was a big advertiser on Daily Wire, doing very successfully, and then Harry's took exception to some content on the Daily Wire that suggested that men are men and women are women and that would Whoa, whoa, whoa. \n\nDan: That's like touching the third rail of the subway, absolutely. \n\nDean: And they dropped it. They stopped advertising, but what Jeremy Borencher, I think, is the president, who's the CEO of the company what they did was they started on the backs of that company called Jeremy's Razors and they built this whole. They did a whole ad launching the process because it's their own audience. They were already very successfully selling Harry's razors to their audience by letting Harry tap into their reach, and so when Harry's left, instead of looking for somebody to replace Harry's as an advertising partner, they said, well, we'll just make the razors ourselves. And they started Jeremy's razors and now Jeremy's razors is a huge subscription-based company speaking directly to the reach that they've built with the media company. \n\nAnd it struck me that now we're getting to where these very specialized. I don't think we're separating geographically as much as we're ideologically now that there's brands for the right and there's brands for the left and there's you know, there's woke brands and there's I won't say successful brands. Now. \n\nDan: But the. \n\nDean: I mean the writings on the wall. I'll tell you. \n\nDan: I'll tell you. Can I tell you an earlier crossover that? \n\nDean: set that up. \n\nDan: Yeah Well, actually FM radio was technologically possible in the 1930s and 1940s but it was never approved by the FEC until the 1970s. Actually, there was about a 40-year thing where the federal what's the FEC, federal communications they couldn't get it passed for, even though it was available and and but FM is strictly a local radio reach. You know, during the day you can get about maybe 30 miles. You lived in Georgetown, I think, when you lived in. Toronto right. Well you could get CJRT, which was an. \n\nFM station and you could, but once you got, let's say, up to Orangeville or Newcastle, you couldn't get CJRT anymore. Okay, Because, FM is gets interrupted by solar energy during the day. Am we? When I was growing up, I could listen to New York, I could listen to Chicago. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: Remember you put on a clear night, real clear nights. I could get New Orleans, philadelphia was easy, boston was easy on. Am because it's a different bandwidth, okay, and it doesn't get interfered with by the sun, but the sun won't let FM go further than about 30 or 40 miles. \n\nIt's not true anymore, because all the FM stations now go on the internet you know, so I have an internet delivery so I can get Los Angeles Jazz Station on, you know, on the internet and they're taking advantage of the internet. But what happened was it was AT\u0026amp;T really controlled the AM spectrum. At\u0026amp;t, yeah, I mean they talked about the dominant technologies. You know Google and Meta and you know and everything they talked about it today. You know Amazon, that nobody, they didn't get up to the knees that the type of control that AT\u0026amp;T had. Okay, and. \n\nAT\u0026amp;T didn't want any competition for its AM networks and they came in and the. But because FM is a local, it's you know, it's a region, it's where you are, you get a real. The universities are the ones who started it all. Okay, so in you know, cjrt was Ryerson and the Toronto and everywhere you went, like if you went to Louisville it would be the University of Louisville you know, and and everything else. \n\nAnd so, right off the bat, the ideology of the universities by that time was left. You know, that was where the left wing people you know symphony music and it was, you know, the various FM stations, and they abandoned. Am got abandoned and the right took over AM radio, you know, and Ross Limbaugh was the first person who really took advantage of that, and this was strictly the right side of the political spectrum. \n\nDean: Okay so. \n\nDan: AM talk radio. Am talk radio. The left tried to get into talk radio and nobody would listen to it. \n\nDean: Okay, Nobody so the you know. \n\nDan: And so what happened? You already had that ideological split at the radio stage. Okay, so if you were left wing and you were driving to Florida, you would go from university town to university town and pick up the FM station, but you weren't less than the AM radio anymore. So that was the first split. Before you ever got to, you know, you got to the internet with. That split had already  happened in the radio spectrum. \n\nDean: Yeah, amazing. \n\nDan: That was before you were born. \n\nDean: Right, right, right, that's something. \n\nDan: But I mean, imagine something happened in the world before you were born. \n\nDean: It is so funny. \n\nBut I look at that, you know, and it is like it's amazing to see how this is going, and certainly club Landia is enabling that and my, to bring it all, we're back around to the. What we started talking about with the local, saving the neighborhoods kind of thing is, yeah, I wonder if we're starting to see geography kind of shaping up here, that Florida and Texas are becoming like sort of you know conservative, you know safety and some kind of thing that they're gathering all the people there, yeah, yeah, and they've surpassed New York, they've surpassed New York state, they've surpassed Illinois, they've surpassed California. \n\nYou know the states. \n\nDan: People are leaving those states and going to Florida and they're going to Texas and so, but I believe in Moore's law, which essentially is the you know, the technological formula that's created Cloud Landia is Moore's law, but mainland is controlled by Newton's law and. Newton's third law I mean Moore's law is that every 18 to two years the computing power of the microchip will double and the price of it will get in half, that's the we've lived in that world for the last 50 years. \n\nDean: And but. \n\nDan: But Newton's law is for every action there's an opposite and equal reaction. Yeah, so if you yeah, so so you got to look at both laws. \n\nDean: And I wonder, you know one law triggers the yeah. Yeah, it is interesting to see the like. I wonder if you were to you know, are we bringing back now? The importance of the local infrastructure, the local like. What is the role of the community now in our lives, in our world? I mean, I feel like I'm it's getting narrower on less and less like inclined to have to travel to other places, and it's funny, you know, I don't know. \n\nDan: Well, I won't travel, I mean, except for my own workshops. I won't travel to business, I won't travel for anything. And you know and I mean all my speeches what I used to give speeches for. Now you know where I would be invited to a big conference and I cut that off in 2013. I just you know, you can have me as a speaker, but it's going to be a podcast at the conference. \n\nDean: Yeah right. Yeah, that's kind of the way I've been doing. \n\nDan: Things too is zooming in as opposed to traveling and flying in yeah, yeah and it's easy because you know you're doing whatever you're doing at the Four Seasons Valhalla and then you're someplace else in the world. \n\nDean: Yeah yeah that's so true right. \n\nDan: Yeah so, but people think that because there's a new realm available that eliminates all the previous realms, but actually just the opposite happens. \n\nDean: Yeah, I posted and it's so. I think about how we really have the ability to be a beacon. You know I'm Jamie Smart. I don't know if you've ever met Jamie? \n\nDan: Yeah, well, I know of him. I know of him, yeah. \n\nDean: Yeah, wrote clarity, just like when we were doing all the big seminars. You know when we stopped doing that in 2009,. That was a big, you know, big shift in our world. You know, in terms of having spent 15 years every single month doing a big event somewhere new. \n\nJoe was having a conversation with Jamie about that and he was like because for him it had been even longer, you know, doing that with his identity of being a speaker, going to town and being on stage. And Jamie talked about it as a transition from going from being a torch bearer, where you have to take the torch and go city to city to spread the message, switching to being a lighthouse, where you stay in there and be your light from when everybody comes to you and that was a big shift. \n\nAnd even then, 2009, the Internet was here and all the infrastructure and everything was here, but it certainly wasn't the same place as it is now. Zoom and all that stuff was not yet. Now it's just. I look at it and you start to see, man, there's just so many ways to reach the world from your Zoom room. You can really have a global. There's nothing stopping you from having a global broadcasting center in a 6x6 room in your house. \n\nDan: Yeah, it's interesting. You were very helpful to us because we had that flood in our Fraser Street building. Then we were knocked out. I mean, we had just come back from lockdown, from COVID lockdown, and we got three months in and we had the city water main next to our building when Underground just destroyed our my recording studios, our tech team, where our tech team was, where all of our materials were. \n\nBut they closed the building down because the city inspectors had to come in and they had to check out. Maybe the whole building had to come down because the support structures may have been weakened and they'll just condemn the building, but we were out for eight months before we could get back in, you know. \n\nBut, in destroying our recording studio we had a company. Toronto is a great post-production center for the film industry. So it's dependent upon the Canadian dollar. If the Canadian dollar is really weak, film studios in the United States ship their post-production work you know of editing and everything and there's about 15 movie studios, tv and movie studios in the Toronto area, all the way from Pickering to Hamilton. You know these are big studios but they do all their inside. They bring all their inside work to Toronto. \n\nAnd now they're creating actual virtual towns with CGI. So did you catch any of the Jack Reacher series. \n\nDean: I did not. \n\nDan: It was a huge hit. But the town that's depicted where Jack Reacher is, it's a small town in Georgia. The first season was the small town in Georgia. It was one Lee Child book, Jack Reacher, and that entire town was created in CGI, doesn't exactly? That's crazy, right, but when you look at it. And then all the inside scenes were constructed in the film studios. You know the homes and everything like that. But that shows you the relationship between Cloudlandia and the mainland. \n\nOkay, because once you cross an international border, you're in a different currency system. Yeah even though I mean digitally. \n\nDean: I mean so many things are possible now. I posted up a video. \n\nDan: The one thing that remains constant is the US dollar Okay. I mean the US dollar. And people say, well, why does everybody use the US dollar? And I said you just answered your question. \n\nDean: It's right there Back up to the first part of your sentence. Why does everybody you know that's like yeah, I mean it's like English. \n\nDan: Why does everybody speak English? I said you just answered your question. \n\nDean: That's like the Yogi Berra Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded right. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and yeah. And so the big thing is that since 1989, the differential the average differential, between the Canadian dollar and the US dollar has been 26% in favor of the American dollar. So we get 80% of the US dollar, it's dollar 36, dollar 36 right now Are you crazy? \n\nDean: Well, that's crazy. So I checked the number. \n\nDan: I checked the number no no, because in 19, it was $5.55. \n\nDean: Oh, wow, yeah, but it's been hanging around in the mid 30s. \n\nDan: 30% now for, I would say, last three or four years it's been you know could be as low as 30% and it got up to 42% per hour, but that so we didn't plan it this way. It was just a lucky break for us that we started in. Toronto, and so 80% of our income is in US dollars, but 80% of our expenses are in Canadian dollars and basically can buy the same thing with a Canadian dollar in Canada as you can with a US dollar in the United States. \n\nSo we've got we don't have 26% because it's 80%. It's not 100, but we've averaged 20% for the four years we've averaged. So every dollar that comes across it's worth a dollar 20 if it comes across from the United States. \n\nDean: Yeah, right Wow. And that's kind of where we're talking about the infrastructure, you know the infrastructure thing of being able to now, you know, build with a main or a Cloudlandia audience to reach with all the but with the capabilities or the expenses and physical delivery stuff happening in the most favorable, you know, mainland place. And I wonder if that's the opportunity that geographically you know places will get, will become sort of specialist in certain things. \n\nDan: Well, that has been the case actually for the last 30 years. Okay, because of one factor that 90% of global trade, 90% so every day, the all the transactions in the world, it's, like you know, it can be like 4 trillion to 6 and a half trillion every day. The total value of it, well, 85% of it is in US dollars, okay, is in US dollars and all of that is. \n\n90% of all global trade happens on water Is that right 90% of all global interactions and you know the, if you just take a look that it's water travel and that's only safe because of one factor, and that's the US Navy. And since you know since and that was. That wasn't for economic purposes for the US, it wasn't at all for you at. You know the everybody says well, the Americans, you know they just did this for their economic that actually the US. You know how much 10, how much percentage of the US economy is actually involved in cross border trade? 10%. \n\nWow the other 90% is just Americans making stuff and selling it to Americans. \n\nSo the US really doesn't isn't really that involved in the world but they had a problem after the Second World War and it was called the Soviet Union. And so what they did after the war said you know, we don't want to fight the Russians head on, so what we'll do? We'll just create a great economic deal with every other country in the world that's not communist and we'll promise them that we'll guarantee all their trade routes by water and they can sell anything they want into the US without any tariffs. And it was a great deal. Modern China only exists because the US guaranteed all their trade, and now the US has decided not to guarantee their trade, their water transportation and that's why. \n\nChina's hit a wall, you know, and, and so I mean. \n\nBut it's really interesting, dean, you're the one who came up with the cloud land idea on the podcast, and. But what I've been examining more and more is what happened if the cloud, if cloud land idea changes your ability to communicate and travel. You know, physically it's not like the mainland is going to be the same after that. I mean, if you make a change in one realm, it's going to make changes. I think this localization is now the, so if you're globalizing on the one hand, you're localizing on the other because you got a balance. That's what I wonder now, and I don't see. \n\nDean: I'm starting to see like there's some shifts in the way that you know. I think that cities or towns I'm not, I can just speak about for winter, what I'm noticing a lot of development in is winter haven is sort of focused on the downtown, on making that kind of a more vibrant gathering center. It's not, you know, spread out like within strip plazas, like it was in the 70s, and it's not about the mall. Now it's about the downtown and they're taking kind of this ghost kitchen or you know model, but building it around social spaces. So there's two or three now of these developing areas where they've got multiple restaurants in one gathering place, right, so it becomes like a social hub where you can go there and they have live music and people gathering but you can eat at whatever, whatever type of food you want. \n\nDan: So it's not like going inside to ask you a question I mean winter haven is a fairly small geographic area, but are there are there new residents buildings? Going up where these social centers are. \n\nDean: Yeah, see, that's the thing? \n\nDan: yeah, because the internet, you know the interstate highway system had bypassed all the downtowns. \n\nDean: You know back in the 50s the right. \n\nDan: You know the. The interstate highway system in the United States is the greatest public works project in the history of the world. It's about 63,000 miles now and they add about another 500 miles every every year. You know bypasses and connectors and everything like that, so it's a never ending project. But in the 50s it just bankrupted almost every small town in the United States when it. You had to go through the small. We went to Florida in 1956 and it was small town after small town after small town. There was no interstate. 75. \n\nDean: Yeah, wow, yeah, that's kind of like Route 66 was going the cross. \n\nDan: Yeah, yeah, you can still take Route 66, but it's small town after small town, you know yeah yeah, just listen to the words of the, the song you know, route 66 and tell you all the small and none of them were big cities. They were small towns you went through, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah, so we're creating an interesting model here that Moore's Law is expanding, you know one realm. \n\nBut the Moore's Law or Newton's Law says, yeah, if you do that in Cloudlandia, then that there's going to be a decentralization that goes on in the mainland. So winter I mean, you'll probably have people you know more or less spend their life in winter. Hey, winter haven't, because anywhere they want to go else, wise, they'll do it in Cloudlandia. \n\nDean: Yeah, that's what I'm seeing. I just looked up the winter haven in the population right now it's 57,000. \n\nDan: So yeah yeah, and I see you know yeah, yeah, and the interesting thing about the malls, that Mark Mills wrote a great book. Mark Mills is an economist in the Manhattan Institute. I think it's the Manhattan Institute, which, as you the name suggests, is a think tank in New York. \n\nCity and he writes about the malls. He's got a whole chapter on the malls and he says the malls are going to, they're being abandoned. There's about a thousand failed shopping malls in the United States at any given time. There's about a thousand that have been abandoned. You know they just go bankrupt. And he says they're going to be turned into factories or they're going to be turned into warehouses shipping centers and they're beautiful because they they've got parking for all the work they've already got all the. \n\nYou know the delivery sites like they have the, the delivering docks you know loading docks, right, the loading that. They've got all the loading docks. They got massive amounts of space and he says that they're going to be robotic and automated factories it's amazing, it's so. \n\nDean: It's such an amazing time to be alive right now. You know, I mean, you think about where, the things that are ready to implement that are all here right now. You know, I don't know that. The next thing, like, as I mentioned, I was doing snapshot comparisons of you know day to day 1988 versus today and, as I said to Stuart Stuart, my operations guy, was with me, we were going, we went to the movie studio movie grill here in about 30, 40 minutes away and I started recounting the day with him, like as we were. I was in these comparisons. I'm saying, okay, so here's how the day started. \n\nI him in the morning and said you know, let's go to the movie. I forget what movie was out, but it was a great movie that was had just come out that day or whatever. And so we were going to go for lunch and go to the movie there, because they have Studio Movie Grill is like a dining theater, so you go and they bring food and everything. So started out with the text of that. Then I went to the studio. My video studio recorded a video that I, stuart, and I left. From there I bought the tickets for the movie online through Fandango and, you know, bought the tickets in advance. \n\nSo we all we had to do was scan the barcode. They just scanned it on my phone when we got there, but the Tesla drove us there using the autopilot function, so we were driven to the movie. We got in our seats without having to go to the thing. We scanned a QR code for the menu of what to get. We pushed a button. They came and took our order, brought us the food. We got back in the car, had the coordinates. The car starts driving us. We were listening to a podcast on the way back and it just in that moment, just that little thing. There's not a single element of that day. That was possible in 1988. \n\nDan: Yeah. I will remind you that in 1988, you probably said what an amazing time to be alive. Yeah, you're probably right. \n\nDean: I mean the dot was like what I got. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: I mean look at this. \n\nDan: The fact are you kidding me. \n\nDean: We can send a piece of paper over the telephone. What a relief it comes back. \n\nDan: Yeah, now I'm going to. We've got a mainland collision happening in about five minutes, Okay, okay, and that is from when we started today, the one we finished, because I'm visiting Winterhaven from. I'm in Chicago today, so I'm visiting Winterhaven, florida, from 10 o'clock to two minutes to 11. But in 11,. I have to go to Vienna, Austria, and have an hour's talk with Kim White. \n\nDean: Okay, right, right, right. Yeah, I got to get on the flight to Vienna, right. \n\nDan: Yeah Well, it's a click actually. \n\nDean: Yeah, the zoom I got to get in. Well, I have to switch over. \n\nDan: I have to switch over from my phone to my computer because it's on zoom and anyway, but that I mean what we're seeing here, is you and I are. You know we're early adapters. You know you and I are early adapters, so I say, okay, the world's changed, so how do I have to change? You know, that's my basic response and and all of us got sent to bootcamp for two years during the COVID lockdown. \n\nAnd we might not have chosen the route that we're on right now, but we were forced to. You know we were forced to, right, yeah, you know, I have a goal of never being on welfare during the rest of my life. Okay, yeah, I like to make my own money and everything, but it's an interesting thing. But, more and more, I think that you have to take both Moore's law and Newton's third law into account, because one of them explains the virtual world and Cloudlandia world, but the other one explains what happens to the mainland. When the Cloudlandia keeps getting bigger and bigger, the mainland keeps getting more and more local, like winter. \n\nYeah, so yeah but you gotta you gotta be good at operating in both worlds. \n\nDean: Yeah, you're right. You know I'm staying off welfare, that's well, you know, Dan, there's this little thing. There's a thing called cash confidence, and most people think it's about having an amount of money, but what it's really about is having the ability to create value for other people. So as long, as you keep focused on that, you're going to be just fine. \n\nDan: Yeah. \n\nDean: Yeah. \n\nDan: This is really yeah, and I'm feeling very good going down 80, that I'm starting to get good at living yeah. \n\nDean: So amazing, isn't it? What a world, yeah, the journey. \n\nDan: Yeah. Yeah, Actually you know, the most amazing part of being alive being alive. \n\nDean: Yeah, that is part of it all. That is exactly right. \n\nDan: That is exactly right. \n\nDean: It beats the alternatives you know, and it's funny. \n\nDan: The answer. The answer is in the question. Yeah, I just heard Dion Sanders was talking about how the whole body everything about us is oriented for moving forward and it would be neat if Colorado ends up in the playoffs and the 14 playoffs, oh. \n\nDean: I mean, well, they just beat Nebraska yesterday, so they're two and oh, right now. Yeah, I mean, it's just. It's the most amazing thing to watch. But do you ever think we're meant for moving forward Our eyes, look forward Our ears? Are perfectly positioned to bring us all the sound and everything from in front of us. Our mouth are meant to project forward. There's only one part of our body that points backwards. \n\nDan: And that's the exhaust. That's where, all the way you leave all the way behind you If you keep moving forward. I guess the evolution figured this out a long time ago. \n\nDean: Yeah, a lot of problems. Don't worry about what's happening behind there, don't look back, just keep moving forward. \n\nDan: You know that's in our years of doing the podcast. I think that's the greatest closing statement we've ever had. \n\nDean: Well, it struck me as this that's the first time I've ever heard it explained like that, but it's absolutely true. So that's why it's even more important, to be the lead guy in the line you don't want to be that. Yeah, it's like sled dogs. \n\nDan: Yeah, if you're not with sled dogs. If you're not the lead dog, the future always looks the same. \n\nDean: Oh man, what a day. All right. Well, you have my best. We've got a date, we've got a date next. \n\nDan: If you're up to it, we've got a next Sunday. \n\nDean: Oh yeah, I'm in Chicago today. \n\nDan: So I'm in Chicago today, so I'll be back in Toronto next week. No, it's a permanent fixture in my calendar. \n\nDean: All right. \n\nDan: Thanks a lot, Dean. \n\nDean: Thanks. \n\nDan: bye, bye. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn today\u0026#39;s episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we unpack the fascinating story of how Toronto transformed over the decades thanks to the pivotal work of urban theorist Jane Jacobs. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAs we debate whether our growing dependency on virtual spaces like \u0026quot;Cloudlandia\u0026quot; is weakening local connections, we ponder journalism\u0026#39;s evolution from its regional roots. We reminisce about bygone media eras over a nostalgic lunch at Table 10 and trace how universities and ideological factions shaped radio\u0026#39;s founding. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAs always, we aim to provide a balanced look at technology\u0026#39;s ability to bring people together globally while potentially distancing them locally. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eThe episode begins with a discussion about Jane Jacobs\u0026#39; significant role in preserving Toronto\u0026#39;s neighborhoods in the 80s and how it has shaped the city to this day.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eThere\u0026#39;s an exploration of the shift to Cloudlandia and how this virtual universe could be curbing our desire to travel and reinforcing local areas.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe rewind to the 80s and trace the evolution of regional media landscapes, debating the impact of Canadians having links to Florida and the emergence of new franchise models.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDan and I discuss the rise of Cloudlandia and its impact on our lives, connecting us to the world like never before.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eThe power dynamics in radio broadcasting, specifically AT\u0026amp;T\u0026#39;s control of the AM spectrum are examined.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe delve into the ideological divide in radio before the advent of the internet, discussing how universities pioneered FM radio, while AM radio was seized by the right-wing.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWe contemplate the implications of geographical shifts and changing economic patterns triggered by our migration to the cloud.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eThe future of communication and travel is questioned, and whether our lives continue to be dictated by Newton\u0026#39;s laws or if we\u0026#39;re slowly transitioning into a world governed by Moore\u0026#39;s Law.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eThe episode concludes with the hosts suggesting that as the virtual world expands, people may start reinforcing their local areas more, indicating a balance between global and local influences.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eOverall, the episode offers a thought-provoking journey through changing times, digital landscapes, and the very fabric of our lives.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr Sullivan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Never gonna leave you. Never gonna leave you. Well come here I am. That\u0026#39;s one thing about Cloudlandia Once you\u0026#39;re in there, you can\u0026#39;t leave. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s so convenient you know it\u0026#39;s addictive. It really is. How was your week? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I had a really super week, I have to tell you. I mean it was a four day week because of the holiday. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And it\u0026#39;s not so much what I\u0026#39;m doing, that\u0026#39;s what the company is doing, and there\u0026#39;s just all sorts of independent projects which have been more or less under the surface. You know, there\u0026#39;s kind of an interesting woman from the 80s and economist by the name of Jane Jacobs have you ever heard that name? I haven\u0026#39;t. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and you know, in Toronto, when they stopped the Spadina Expressway. Yeah, I don\u0026#39;t know if you remember that. What seems like yeah, well, you know the Allen Expressway. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I do know the Allen. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Expressway. Yeah, that was supposed to be the Spadina Expressway and it went off. It\u0026#39;s gonna go all the way down to the center of the city Right, right, right. Right through the center of the city and it would have gone to the Gardner, it would have hooked up and then they would have traded clover leaves down at the bottom. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And they would have had to remove. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e They would have had to remove all those neighborhoods. It would have gone right through Forest Hills actually. I think that was part of the reason why it got stopped, because wealthy people have more votes than poor people. I don\u0026#39;t know if you\u0026#39;ve noticed that Not in my backyard Right exactly. And then the other one was the Scarborough Expressway, which you know, the Gardner extension that went out to the beaches. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know it went out and it was just called the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Gardner yeah, it\u0026#39;s completely gone. They tore that down one night, basically, oh my goodness. We were away for two days and we had it when we left and when we got back it was gone, you know and but that whole area of Lake now from basically charity, erie Streep, actually, you know where the Gardner goes up the Don Valley. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, that\u0026#39;s where you took the extension off and they just tore it down. They tore it down in two, two stages, once about 10 years ago, and then they tore it down again, and so, but this was all the 40 year impact of Jane Jacobs, okay, and she said that she had to preserve your neighborhoods if you\u0026#39;re going to have a great city and to tear down I mean, and it\u0026#39;s turned Toronto into a congestion madhouse. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean, that\u0026#39;s the downside of it, but on the upside of it, toronto you know, toronto tries to call itself a world class city. Have you ever come across that? And what I noticed is that world class cities don\u0026#39;t call themselves world class cities, they just are. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e New York. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e New York doesn\u0026#39;t call itself a world class city, it just is. London doesn\u0026#39;t call itself a world class city, it just is you know. So if you\u0026#39;re still calling yourself a world class city. That means you\u0026#39;re not, oh man it\u0026#39;s a Toronto life syndrome. I mean Toronto Life Magazine. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and they\u0026#39;re Toronto, by a magazine. I\u0026#39;m very intrigued, I\u0026#39;m very, I am very intrigued by these micro you know economies, or micro you know global lenses. I guess that we see through and you\u0026#39;re not kind of talked about the whether that is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m talking about mainland. This is mainland stuff. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s what I mean. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and I wonder if that is. I wonder if that sense is diminishing now that we\u0026#39;ve fully migrated. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I think it\u0026#39;s okay, I think it\u0026#39;s coming back with, with the vengeance actually you know, and my sense is that the week that COVID started in March I think it was March 13th, friday the 13th I remember when it visited itself upon us, when clients were saying you know, we were seeing 50% drop-offs in future attendance for workshops because of COVID and it was partially, you know, but it was the lockdowns, it was the dropping off of airline flights and everything else I remember I mean all our cash flow got taken away in about a month, right Right and we had to switch. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe had to switch to Zoom, you know, and and we had about a three month period where we just had to rework our entire you know, our entire business model to take all the in-person workshops and turn them over to Zoom workshops, you know. So, that\u0026#39;s the upside of Cloudlandia, is that if they take away your mainland existence, you have to switch to Cloudlandia to compensate, and it\u0026#39;s a bigger opportunity, bigger, broader everything. Yeah, but one of the downsides of this is that people don\u0026#39;t feel like traveling anymore. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean are you talking about me? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I\u0026#39;m talking about us and you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I know, yeah, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m talking about everyone you meet, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I know exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, our only time when we have full attendance during the week, where we have people in the office, is Wednesday, monday and Tuesday, thursday and Friday, or when there\u0026#39;s a in-person workshop. You have to be in the, you have to be in the company on workshop days. Okay and so, but the thing, the Jane Jacobs, the people who really got involved with the number one person in Toronto was Cromby, mayor Cromby, and he was one of the forefront leaders in stopping the Spadina Expressway and the Scarborough Expressway. Okay and so I\u0026#39;m just showing you the interrelationship between mainland and Cloudlandia. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eMy feeling is that the more that Cloudlandia expands, the more people go back and start reinforcing their local areas. That\u0026#39;s what I wonder about the whole cycle. How\u0026#39;s that for a topic that we didn\u0026#39;t know about five minutes ago? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, exactly, but I think that I think there is something to that. You know, like I look at the, I think I\u0026#39;ve been I\u0026#39;ve mentioned before, like without having moved away from Toronto, like coming into Florida and yeah, when\u0026#39;s the last time? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e when\u0026#39;s the last time you flew to Toronto? Yeah, no, it\u0026#39;s been three years, and three years, yeah, the next time will be whenever, april, if you April, if you decide you\u0026#39;re coming to Toronto 12th of April is the first Toronto oh it\u0026#39;s already set, yeah, it takes us about a year, because we\u0026#39;ve got to guarantee that we\u0026#39;ve got a date when people can also do their 10 times workshop in person. I got you, okay, yeah, so you know, I mean pre-zoners, double duty, you know, they double. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, okay. Well, this is very exciting. So April 12 is on my calendar then, okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m pretty sure you\u0026#39;re taking a statistic from Dan Sullivan here. So yeah, we better double check on this Well, april 12 is Friday, yeah. It\u0026#39;s in the calendar and I think the pre-zone is on or the 10 times is on the Thursday. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, so the 11th and 12th. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e All right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, now we\u0026#39;re talking. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Dan, and then Dan is on the Saturday and that\u0026#39;s what I\u0026#39;m most excited about. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah Well, this will be for those who aren\u0026#39;t listening. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Table 10 is Dean and I met meeting for lunch on a Saturday, which really got everything we\u0026#39;re doing together started was the table 10. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Exactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but that\u0026#39;s a mainland, that\u0026#39;s a mainland reality which may be possible. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, that\u0026#39;s exactly right and I think that this now this is where I can, as I\u0026#39;ve reflected, I look at where I\u0026#39;ve been spending time, taking snapshot comparisons this week of today and 25 years ago and seeing where we are. You know, if I look at 25 years and 30 years ago kind of thing, I look back at when I started my you know sort of being in the result economy or launched my entrepreneurial career in 1988. So I look at that as coming up on, you know, 35 years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e this year, 35 years, yeah, yeah, and I just want to look from there Well, it\u0026#39;s 35 years. Right now it\u0026#39;s 35 years. I mean, we\u0026#39;re in the 35th year. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And, what\u0026#39;s really interesting, our program where we have workshop programs, started in 1989. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So next year is our 35th year you know it\u0026#39;s year 35. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So it\u0026#39;s the 35th year of the program and I\u0026#39;ll be 80 in May and I\u0026#39;ve been coaching for 50 years in August. Okay. So it\u0026#39;s sort of an anniversary year Nashville in May we\u0026#39;re going to have our first worldwide conference in Nashville. Coach Coach Con yeah, coach Con, coach Con, yeah, yeah you can take that in two ways. Coach Con. You can take Coach Con in two ways. Yeah, you can. It\u0026#39;s the coach conference, or it\u0026#39;s just shows you what 35 years of counting people will do for you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, that\u0026#39;s so funny. Well, I\u0026#39;m very excited about both of those. I\u0026#39;m very excited about both of those things. So where I was going was, you know, in 1988, looking back at the things, it was very much a Toronto-centric kind of lens because I had spent. I left Toronto in 1984 to come down to Florida and finish up. I\u0026#39;ve been spending a lot of time down there. I spent, you know, I spent those years and driving through this I remember the first time driving down on my own. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI had a friend with me. But driving down going through the different cities, like going through Dayton, ohio, and going through Cincinnati. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Ninety-five hits in 75. That\u0026#39;s what we took. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s the main route to Florida. That\u0026#39;s the main route, exactly, yeah, yeah, you crossed over at. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Detroit. You probably crossed. Did you cross over at Detroit? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We got a tip to cross over at Port Huron, so up further, which was Further north yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but then once you were across it was a straight shot superhighway all the way to Florida, and the reason is that Canadians Florida is part of their Canada. Yeah, I mean Ontario. My Florida includesmy Canada includes Florida. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, exactly that\u0026#39;s true, isn\u0026#39;t it? It\u0026#39;s like the Southern Extension. You\u0026#39;ve gotten places in or things in Canadians. Have, you know, links to Florida? You\u0026#39;re absolutely right, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Half the Canadian adult population from around November to April. Well, let\u0026#39;s say October to April includes Florida, Scottsdale. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I was just going to say that Calgary you look at the other side, then Calgary is. Yeah, calgary is connected to Palm Springs and Phoenix. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, and then Maui, because I don\u0026#39;t know what the situation is now, but I suspect they\u0026#39;ll go to the part that didn\u0026#39;t burn down. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, but what struck me was the newspapers. So this is, what struck me is the newspapers and television stations, because we would stay, you know on the road. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe would Hotels. Yeah, you would stay, yeah, we would stay in a hotel. And so I don\u0026#39;t always, you know, get the newspaper. I\u0026#39;ve had a long time love for USA Today, which I\u0026#39;ve always kind of loved as just getting a overview of everything. But it struck me how I had grown up with the lens newspaper, lens being the globe and mail, the Toronto Sun and the Toronto Star and looking that, you know, without any sense of left and right leaning. You know, I didn\u0026#39;t understand at that point, you know, the bent of and how that shapes things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut, it was amazing to me that I learned I got kind of on that deep level, these regional kind of markets you know I don\u0026#39;t know how to fully describe it, but it was an awakening that I knew that, hey, if you\u0026#39;ve got something you know that worked in, it was kind of like this franchise. I\u0026#39;d be seeing franchise thinking in place, you know, in different places and seeing the Cracker Barrel restaurant. You have the same exact Cracker Barrel experience at any drop off point along Highway 75, you know, and so yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And that was. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, at the time the thing was I mean in those days it was the new model. Yeah, yeah, for young college students traveling abroad. Right, but it was so great and that level of you know you wouldn\u0026#39;t have any window into Louisville, kentucky, unless you\u0026#39;re passing through Louisville and you tune in to the Louisville Echo Chamber or ecosystem where you\u0026#39;re seeing the. Louisville anchors and the news and the local things, and you\u0026#39;re reading the Louisville newspaper, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And then Macon Georgia. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Macon and everything. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Because you usually made. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I always remember that we shot for Louisville or Lexington on the first night. Yeah, lexington, yeah yeah, but we never saw any of the horse farms. Well, you did I mean because 75 went past the. But you never got off. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You had Oasis which were franchise Oasis. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, exactly, and that way you know what you\u0026#39;re going to. You know what you\u0026#39;re going to get you know, but now I see now how those things are like with the rise of Cloudlandia, the access to what\u0026#39;s going on a national scale and global scale kind of thing, is what direct to the individual. You know, now you\u0026#39;ve got access to everything, and I\u0026#39;ve been. Do you follow or is on your list of news outlets? Do you come to Daily Wire? Is that part of your routine or? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e are you familiar with. No, that\u0026#39;s not one of my. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you know? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e about the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Daily Wire. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ve heard of it, but that\u0026#39;s not really what I it\u0026#39;s not. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I mean I\u0026#39;ll look at it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e now that you\u0026#39;re talking about it, I\u0026#39;ll look at it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, Ben Shapiro is the one who basically I know Ben, he\u0026#39;s the guy that started the Daily Wire. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. I\u0026#39;m a Breitbart guy, I\u0026#39;m a Breitbart guy. I check daily caller town hall Breitbart, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah well, the Daily Wire is now a $200 million. They do $2 million a year now and they just Last year. If you think about the VCR formula. And the reason I\u0026#39;m bringing up the Daily Wire is that is a cloudland-centric, a media empire that was started 100% to be online and took advantage of one. They tapped into Facebook\u0026#39;s reach and they funneled those people into get readership and get subscribers to their news service and use that money to buy more attention on Facebook. That was the whole very simple model and they executed it flawlessly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd so they built this huge reach and they had a relationship with Harry\u0026#39;s Razors. Do you remember? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah, Like Dollar. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Shade Club and Harry\u0026#39;s Razors. So Harry\u0026#39;s Razors was a big advertiser on Daily Wire, doing very successfully, and then Harry\u0026#39;s took exception to some content on the Daily Wire that suggested that men are men and women are women and that would Whoa, whoa, whoa. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s like touching the third rail of the subway, absolutely. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And they dropped it. They stopped advertising, but what Jeremy Borencher, I think, is the president, who\u0026#39;s the CEO of the company what they did was they started on the backs of that company called Jeremy\u0026#39;s Razors and they built this whole. They did a whole ad launching the process because it\u0026#39;s their own audience. They were already very successfully selling Harry\u0026#39;s razors to their audience by letting Harry tap into their reach, and so when Harry\u0026#39;s left, instead of looking for somebody to replace Harry\u0026#39;s as an advertising partner, they said, well, we\u0026#39;ll just make the razors ourselves. And they started Jeremy\u0026#39;s razors and now Jeremy\u0026#39;s razors is a huge subscription-based company speaking directly to the reach that they\u0026#39;ve built with the media company. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd it struck me that now we\u0026#39;re getting to where these very specialized. I don\u0026#39;t think we\u0026#39;re separating geographically as much as we\u0026#39;re ideologically now that there\u0026#39;s brands for the right and there\u0026#39;s brands for the left and there\u0026#39;s you know, there\u0026#39;s woke brands and there\u0026#39;s I won\u0026#39;t say successful brands. Now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean the writings on the wall. I\u0026#39;ll tell you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;ll tell you. Can I tell you an earlier crossover that? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e set that up. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah Well, actually FM radio was technologically possible in the 1930s and 1940s but it was never approved by the FEC until the 1970s. Actually, there was about a 40-year thing where the federal what\u0026#39;s the FEC, federal communications they couldn\u0026#39;t get it passed for, even though it was available and and but FM is strictly a local radio reach. You know, during the day you can get about maybe 30 miles. You lived in Georgetown, I think, when you lived in. Toronto right. Well you could get CJRT, which was an. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eFM station and you could, but once you got, let\u0026#39;s say, up to Orangeville or Newcastle, you couldn\u0026#39;t get CJRT anymore. Okay, Because, FM is gets interrupted by solar energy during the day. Am we? When I was growing up, I could listen to New York, I could listen to Chicago. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Remember you put on a clear night, real clear nights. I could get New Orleans, philadelphia was easy, boston was easy on. Am because it\u0026#39;s a different bandwidth, okay, and it doesn\u0026#39;t get interfered with by the sun, but the sun won\u0026#39;t let FM go further than about 30 or 40 miles. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s not true anymore, because all the FM stations now go on the internet you know, so I have an internet delivery so I can get Los Angeles Jazz Station on, you know, on the internet and they\u0026#39;re taking advantage of the internet. But what happened was it was AT\u0026amp;T really controlled the AM spectrum. At\u0026amp;t, yeah, I mean they talked about the dominant technologies. You know Google and Meta and you know and everything they talked about it today. You know Amazon, that nobody, they didn\u0026#39;t get up to the knees that the type of control that AT\u0026amp;T had. Okay, and. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAT\u0026amp;T didn\u0026#39;t want any competition for its AM networks and they came in and the. But because FM is a local, it\u0026#39;s you know, it\u0026#39;s a region, it\u0026#39;s where you are, you get a real. The universities are the ones who started it all. Okay, so in you know, cjrt was Ryerson and the Toronto and everywhere you went, like if you went to Louisville it would be the University of Louisville you know, and and everything else. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd so, right off the bat, the ideology of the universities by that time was left. You know, that was where the left wing people you know symphony music and it was, you know, the various FM stations, and they abandoned. Am got abandoned and the right took over AM radio, you know, and Ross Limbaugh was the first person who really took advantage of that, and this was strictly the right side of the political spectrum. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay so. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e AM talk radio. Am talk radio. The left tried to get into talk radio and nobody would listen to it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, Nobody so the you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And so what happened? You already had that ideological split at the radio stage. Okay, so if you were left wing and you were driving to Florida, you would go from university town to university town and pick up the FM station, but you weren\u0026#39;t less than the AM radio anymore. So that was the first split. Before you ever got to, you know, you got to the internet with. That split had already  happened in the radio spectrum. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, amazing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That was before you were born. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, right, right, that\u0026#39;s something. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But I mean, imagine something happened in the world before you were born. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It is so funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut I look at that, you know, and it is like it\u0026#39;s amazing to see how this is going, and certainly club Landia is enabling that and my, to bring it all, we\u0026#39;re back around to the. What we started talking about with the local, saving the neighborhoods kind of thing is, yeah, I wonder if we\u0026#39;re starting to see geography kind of shaping up here, that Florida and Texas are becoming like sort of you know conservative, you know safety and some kind of thing that they\u0026#39;re gathering all the people there, yeah, yeah, and they\u0026#39;ve surpassed New York, they\u0026#39;ve surpassed New York state, they\u0026#39;ve surpassed Illinois, they\u0026#39;ve surpassed California. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know the states. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e People are leaving those states and going to Florida and they\u0026#39;re going to Texas and so, but I believe in Moore\u0026#39;s law, which essentially is the you know, the technological formula that\u0026#39;s created Cloud Landia is Moore\u0026#39;s law, but mainland is controlled by Newton\u0026#39;s law and. Newton\u0026#39;s third law I mean Moore\u0026#39;s law is that every 18 to two years the computing power of the microchip will double and the price of it will get in half, that\u0026#39;s the we\u0026#39;ve lived in that world for the last 50 years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And but. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e But Newton\u0026#39;s law is for every action there\u0026#39;s an opposite and equal reaction. Yeah, so if you yeah, so so you got to look at both laws. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e And I wonder, you know one law triggers the yeah. Yeah, it is interesting to see the like. I wonder if you were to you know, are we bringing back now? The importance of the local infrastructure, the local like. What is the role of the community now in our lives, in our world? I mean, I feel like I\u0026#39;m it\u0026#39;s getting narrower on less and less like inclined to have to travel to other places, and it\u0026#39;s funny, you know, I don\u0026#39;t know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I won\u0026#39;t travel, I mean, except for my own workshops. I won\u0026#39;t travel to business, I won\u0026#39;t travel for anything. And you know and I mean all my speeches what I used to give speeches for. Now you know where I would be invited to a big conference and I cut that off in 2013. I just you know, you can have me as a speaker, but it\u0026#39;s going to be a podcast at the conference. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah right. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s kind of the way I\u0026#39;ve been doing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Things too is zooming in as opposed to traveling and flying in yeah, yeah and it\u0026#39;s easy because you know you\u0026#39;re doing whatever you\u0026#39;re doing at the Four Seasons Valhalla and then you\u0026#39;re someplace else in the world. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah yeah that\u0026#39;s so true right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah so, but people think that because there\u0026#39;s a new realm available that eliminates all the previous realms, but actually just the opposite happens. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I posted and it\u0026#39;s so. I think about how we really have the ability to be a beacon. You know I\u0026#39;m Jamie Smart. I don\u0026#39;t know if you\u0026#39;ve ever met Jamie? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, I know of him. I know of him, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, wrote clarity, just like when we were doing all the big seminars. You know when we stopped doing that in 2009,. That was a big, you know, big shift in our world. You know, in terms of having spent 15 years every single month doing a big event somewhere new. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eJoe was having a conversation with Jamie about that and he was like because for him it had been even longer, you know, doing that with his identity of being a speaker, going to town and being on stage. And Jamie talked about it as a transition from going from being a torch bearer, where you have to take the torch and go city to city to spread the message, switching to being a lighthouse, where you stay in there and be your light from when everybody comes to you and that was a big shift. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd even then, 2009, the Internet was here and all the infrastructure and everything was here, but it certainly wasn\u0026#39;t the same place as it is now. Zoom and all that stuff was not yet. Now it\u0026#39;s just. I look at it and you start to see, man, there\u0026#39;s just so many ways to reach the world from your Zoom room. You can really have a global. There\u0026#39;s nothing stopping you from having a global broadcasting center in a 6x6 room in your house. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it\u0026#39;s interesting. You were very helpful to us because we had that flood in our Fraser Street building. Then we were knocked out. I mean, we had just come back from lockdown, from COVID lockdown, and we got three months in and we had the city water main next to our building when Underground just destroyed our my recording studios, our tech team, where our tech team was, where all of our materials were. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut they closed the building down because the city inspectors had to come in and they had to check out. Maybe the whole building had to come down because the support structures may have been weakened and they\u0026#39;ll just condemn the building, but we were out for eight months before we could get back in, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut, in destroying our recording studio we had a company. Toronto is a great post-production center for the film industry. So it\u0026#39;s dependent upon the Canadian dollar. If the Canadian dollar is really weak, film studios in the United States ship their post-production work you know of editing and everything and there\u0026#39;s about 15 movie studios, tv and movie studios in the Toronto area, all the way from Pickering to Hamilton. You know these are big studios but they do all their inside. They bring all their inside work to Toronto. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd now they\u0026#39;re creating actual virtual towns with CGI. So did you catch any of the Jack Reacher series. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I did not. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e It was a huge hit. But the town that\u0026#39;s depicted where Jack Reacher is, it\u0026#39;s a small town in Georgia. The first season was the small town in Georgia. It was one Lee Child book, Jack Reacher, and that entire town was created in CGI, doesn\u0026#39;t exactly? That\u0026#39;s crazy, right, but when you look at it. And then all the inside scenes were constructed in the film studios. You know the homes and everything like that. But that shows you the relationship between Cloudlandia and the mainland. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOkay, because once you cross an international border, you\u0026#39;re in a different currency system. Yeah even though I mean digitally. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean so many things are possible now. I posted up a video. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The one thing that remains constant is the US dollar Okay. I mean the US dollar. And people say, well, why does everybody use the US dollar? And I said you just answered your question. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s right there Back up to the first part of your sentence. Why does everybody you know that\u0026#39;s like yeah, I mean it\u0026#39;s like English. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Why does everybody speak English? I said you just answered your question. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e That\u0026#39;s like the Yogi Berra Nobody goes there anymore, it\u0026#39;s too crowded right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and yeah. And so the big thing is that since 1989, the differential the average differential, between the Canadian dollar and the US dollar has been 26% in favor of the American dollar. So we get 80% of the US dollar, it\u0026#39;s dollar 36, dollar 36 right now Are you crazy? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that\u0026#39;s crazy. So I checked the number. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I checked the number no no, because in 19, it was $5.55. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, wow, yeah, but it\u0026#39;s been hanging around in the mid 30s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e 30% now for, I would say, last three or four years it\u0026#39;s been you know could be as low as 30% and it got up to 42% per hour, but that so we didn\u0026#39;t plan it this way. It was just a lucky break for us that we started in. Toronto, and so 80% of our income is in US dollars, but 80% of our expenses are in Canadian dollars and basically can buy the same thing with a Canadian dollar in Canada as you can with a US dollar in the United States. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo we\u0026#39;ve got we don\u0026#39;t have 26% because it\u0026#39;s 80%. It\u0026#39;s not 100, but we\u0026#39;ve averaged 20% for the four years we\u0026#39;ve averaged. So every dollar that comes across it\u0026#39;s worth a dollar 20 if it comes across from the United States. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, right Wow. And that\u0026#39;s kind of where we\u0026#39;re talking about the infrastructure, you know the infrastructure thing of being able to now, you know, build with a main or a Cloudlandia audience to reach with all the but with the capabilities or the expenses and physical delivery stuff happening in the most favorable, you know, mainland place. And I wonder if that\u0026#39;s the opportunity that geographically you know places will get, will become sort of specialist in certain things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that has been the case actually for the last 30 years. Okay, because of one factor that 90% of global trade, 90% so every day, the all the transactions in the world, it\u0026#39;s, like you know, it can be like 4 trillion to 6 and a half trillion every day. The total value of it, well, 85% of it is in US dollars, okay, is in US dollars and all of that is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e90% of all global trade happens on water Is that right 90% of all global interactions and you know the, if you just take a look that it\u0026#39;s water travel and that\u0026#39;s only safe because of one factor, and that\u0026#39;s the US Navy. And since you know since and that was. That wasn\u0026#39;t for economic purposes for the US, it wasn\u0026#39;t at all for you at. You know the everybody says well, the Americans, you know they just did this for their economic that actually the US. You know how much 10, how much percentage of the US economy is actually involved in cross border trade? 10%. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWow the other 90% is just Americans making stuff and selling it to Americans. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo the US really doesn\u0026#39;t isn\u0026#39;t really that involved in the world but they had a problem after the Second World War and it was called the Soviet Union. And so what they did after the war said you know, we don\u0026#39;t want to fight the Russians head on, so what we\u0026#39;ll do? We\u0026#39;ll just create a great economic deal with every other country in the world that\u0026#39;s not communist and we\u0026#39;ll promise them that we\u0026#39;ll guarantee all their trade routes by water and they can sell anything they want into the US without any tariffs. And it was a great deal. Modern China only exists because the US guaranteed all their trade, and now the US has decided not to guarantee their trade, their water transportation and that\u0026#39;s why. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eChina\u0026#39;s hit a wall, you know, and, and so I mean. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut it\u0026#39;s really interesting, dean, you\u0026#39;re the one who came up with the cloud land idea on the podcast, and. But what I\u0026#39;ve been examining more and more is what happened if the cloud, if cloud land idea changes your ability to communicate and travel. You know, physically it\u0026#39;s not like the mainland is going to be the same after that. I mean, if you make a change in one realm, it\u0026#39;s going to make changes. I think this localization is now the, so if you\u0026#39;re globalizing on the one hand, you\u0026#39;re localizing on the other because you got a balance. That\u0026#39;s what I wonder now, and I don\u0026#39;t see. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I\u0026#39;m starting to see like there\u0026#39;s some shifts in the way that you know. I think that cities or towns I\u0026#39;m not, I can just speak about for winter, what I\u0026#39;m noticing a lot of development in is winter haven is sort of focused on the downtown, on making that kind of a more vibrant gathering center. It\u0026#39;s not, you know, spread out like within strip plazas, like it was in the 70s, and it\u0026#39;s not about the mall. Now it\u0026#39;s about the downtown and they\u0026#39;re taking kind of this ghost kitchen or you know model, but building it around social spaces. So there\u0026#39;s two or three now of these developing areas where they\u0026#39;ve got multiple restaurants in one gathering place, right, so it becomes like a social hub where you can go there and they have live music and people gathering but you can eat at whatever, whatever type of food you want. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So it\u0026#39;s not like going inside to ask you a question I mean winter haven is a fairly small geographic area, but are there are there new residents buildings? Going up where these social centers are. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, see, that\u0026#39;s the thing? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e yeah, because the internet, you know the interstate highway system had bypassed all the downtowns. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e You know back in the 50s the right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know the. The interstate highway system in the United States is the greatest public works project in the history of the world. It\u0026#39;s about 63,000 miles now and they add about another 500 miles every every year. You know bypasses and connectors and everything like that, so it\u0026#39;s a never ending project. But in the 50s it just bankrupted almost every small town in the United States when it. You had to go through the small. We went to Florida in 1956 and it was small town after small town after small town. There was no interstate. 75. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, wow, yeah, that\u0026#39;s kind of like Route 66 was going the cross. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, you can still take Route 66, but it\u0026#39;s small town after small town, you know yeah yeah, just listen to the words of the, the song you know, route 66 and tell you all the small and none of them were big cities. They were small towns you went through, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah, so we\u0026#39;re creating an interesting model here that Moore\u0026#39;s Law is expanding, you know one realm. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut the Moore\u0026#39;s Law or Newton\u0026#39;s Law says, yeah, if you do that in Cloudlandia, then that there\u0026#39;s going to be a decentralization that goes on in the mainland. So winter I mean, you\u0026#39;ll probably have people you know more or less spend their life in winter. Hey, winter haven\u0026#39;t, because anywhere they want to go else, wise, they\u0026#39;ll do it in Cloudlandia. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that\u0026#39;s what I\u0026#39;m seeing. I just looked up the winter haven in the population right now it\u0026#39;s 57,000. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So yeah yeah, and I see you know yeah, yeah, and the interesting thing about the malls, that Mark Mills wrote a great book. Mark Mills is an economist in the Manhattan Institute. I think it\u0026#39;s the Manhattan Institute, which, as you the name suggests, is a think tank in New York. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eCity and he writes about the malls. He\u0026#39;s got a whole chapter on the malls and he says the malls are going to, they\u0026#39;re being abandoned. There\u0026#39;s about a thousand failed shopping malls in the United States at any given time. There\u0026#39;s about a thousand that have been abandoned. You know they just go bankrupt. And he says they\u0026#39;re going to be turned into factories or they\u0026#39;re going to be turned into warehouses shipping centers and they\u0026#39;re beautiful because they they\u0026#39;ve got parking for all the work they\u0026#39;ve already got all the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know the delivery sites like they have the, the delivering docks you know loading docks, right, the loading that. They\u0026#39;ve got all the loading docks. They got massive amounts of space and he says that they\u0026#39;re going to be robotic and automated factories it\u0026#39;s amazing, it\u0026#39;s so. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It\u0026#39;s such an amazing time to be alive right now. You know, I mean, you think about where, the things that are ready to implement that are all here right now. You know, I don\u0026#39;t know that. The next thing, like, as I mentioned, I was doing snapshot comparisons of you know day to day 1988 versus today and, as I said to Stuart Stuart, my operations guy, was with me, we were going, we went to the movie studio movie grill here in about 30, 40 minutes away and I started recounting the day with him, like as we were. I was in these comparisons. I\u0026#39;m saying, okay, so here\u0026#39;s how the day started. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI him in the morning and said you know, let\u0026#39;s go to the movie. I forget what movie was out, but it was a great movie that was had just come out that day or whatever. And so we were going to go for lunch and go to the movie there, because they have Studio Movie Grill is like a dining theater, so you go and they bring food and everything. So started out with the text of that. Then I went to the studio. My video studio recorded a video that I, stuart, and I left. From there I bought the tickets for the movie online through Fandango and, you know, bought the tickets in advance. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo we all we had to do was scan the barcode. They just scanned it on my phone when we got there, but the Tesla drove us there using the autopilot function, so we were driven to the movie. We got in our seats without having to go to the thing. We scanned a QR code for the menu of what to get. We pushed a button. They came and took our order, brought us the food. We got back in the car, had the coordinates. The car starts driving us. We were listening to a podcast on the way back and it just in that moment, just that little thing. There\u0026#39;s not a single element of that day. That was possible in 1988. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. I will remind you that in 1988, you probably said what an amazing time to be alive. Yeah, you\u0026#39;re probably right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean the dot was like what I got. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean look at this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The fact are you kidding me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e We can send a piece of paper over the telephone. What a relief it comes back. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, now I\u0026#39;m going to. We\u0026#39;ve got a mainland collision happening in about five minutes, Okay, okay, and that is from when we started today, the one we finished, because I\u0026#39;m visiting Winterhaven from. I\u0026#39;m in Chicago today, so I\u0026#39;m visiting Winterhaven, florida, from 10 o\u0026#39;clock to two minutes to 11. But in 11,. I have to go to Vienna, Austria, and have an hour\u0026#39;s talk with Kim White. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, right, right, right. Yeah, I got to get on the flight to Vienna, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah Well, it\u0026#39;s a click actually. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, the zoom I got to get in. Well, I have to switch over. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e I have to switch over from my phone to my computer because it\u0026#39;s on zoom and anyway, but that I mean what we\u0026#39;re seeing here, is you and I are. You know we\u0026#39;re early adapters. You know you and I are early adapters, so I say, okay, the world\u0026#39;s changed, so how do I have to change? You know, that\u0026#39;s my basic response and and all of us got sent to bootcamp for two years during the COVID lockdown. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd we might not have chosen the route that we\u0026#39;re on right now, but we were forced to. You know we were forced to, right, yeah, you know, I have a goal of never being on welfare during the rest of my life. Okay, yeah, I like to make my own money and everything, but it\u0026#39;s an interesting thing. But, more and more, I think that you have to take both Moore\u0026#39;s law and Newton\u0026#39;s third law into account, because one of them explains the virtual world and Cloudlandia world, but the other one explains what happens to the mainland. When the Cloudlandia keeps getting bigger and bigger, the mainland keeps getting more and more local, like winter. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, so yeah but you gotta you gotta be good at operating in both worlds. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you\u0026#39;re right. You know I\u0026#39;m staying off welfare, that\u0026#39;s well, you know, Dan, there\u0026#39;s this little thing. There\u0026#39;s a thing called cash confidence, and most people think it\u0026#39;s about having an amount of money, but what it\u0026#39;s really about is having the ability to create value for other people. So as long, as you keep focused on that, you\u0026#39;re going to be just fine. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e This is really yeah, and I\u0026#39;m feeling very good going down 80, that I\u0026#39;m starting to get good at living yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e So amazing, isn\u0026#39;t it? What a world, yeah, the journey. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah, Actually you know, the most amazing part of being alive being alive. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that is part of it all. That is exactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e That is exactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e It beats the alternatives you know, and it\u0026#39;s funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e The answer. The answer is in the question. Yeah, I just heard Dion Sanders was talking about how the whole body everything about us is oriented for moving forward and it would be neat if Colorado ends up in the playoffs and the 14 playoffs, oh. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, well, they just beat Nebraska yesterday, so they\u0026#39;re two and oh, right now. Yeah, I mean, it\u0026#39;s just. It\u0026#39;s the most amazing thing to watch. But do you ever think we\u0026#39;re meant for moving forward Our eyes, look forward Our ears? Are perfectly positioned to bring us all the sound and everything from in front of us. Our mouth are meant to project forward. There\u0026#39;s only one part of our body that points backwards. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e And that\u0026#39;s the exhaust. That\u0026#39;s where, all the way you leave all the way behind you If you keep moving forward. I guess the evolution figured this out a long time ago. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, a lot of problems. Don\u0026#39;t worry about what\u0026#39;s happening behind there, don\u0026#39;t look back, just keep moving forward. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e You know that\u0026#39;s in our years of doing the podcast. I think that\u0026#39;s the greatest closing statement we\u0026#39;ve ever had. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it struck me as this that\u0026#39;s the first time I\u0026#39;ve ever heard it explained like that, but it\u0026#39;s absolutely true. So that\u0026#39;s why it\u0026#39;s even more important, to be the lead guy in the line you don\u0026#39;t want to be that. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s like sled dogs. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, if you\u0026#39;re not with sled dogs. If you\u0026#39;re not the lead dog, the future always looks the same. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh man, what a day. All right. Well, you have my best. We\u0026#39;ve got a date, we\u0026#39;ve got a date next. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e If you\u0026#39;re up to it, we\u0026#39;ve got a next Sunday. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah, I\u0026#39;m in Chicago today. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e So I\u0026#39;m in Chicago today, so I\u0026#39;ll be back in Toronto next week. No, it\u0026#39;s a permanent fixture in my calendar. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e All right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e Thanks a lot, Dean. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean:\u003c/strong\u003e Thanks. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan:\u003c/strong\u003e bye, bye. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In today's episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we unpack the fascinating story of how Toronto transformed over the decades thanks to the pivotal work of urban theorist Jane Jacobs. \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nAs we debate whether our growing dependency on virtual spaces like \"Cloudlandia\" is weakening local connections, we ponder journalism's evolution from its regional roots. We reminisce about bygone media eras over a nostalgic lunch at Table 10 and trace how universities and ideological factions shaped radio's founding. \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nAs always, we aim to provide a balanced look at technology's ability to bring people together globally while potentially distancing them locally. \r\n\r\n","date_published":"2023-09-26T08:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/2e49bc78-5ffe-4500-9e26-5274dc167f08.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":36693460,"duration_in_seconds":3054}]},{"id":"8c016657-9664-44f9-93f3-c83e370c6b0d","title":"Ep107: Navigating the Labyrinth of Information: Past, Present, and Future","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/107","content_text":"In this episode of Cloudlandia, I accompany you on a captivating time-travel adventure to the 1930s era. We explore the nascent media landscape and how the rise of radio and television began to connect the world.\n\nWe predict how elements like technology, energy, money and labor may redefine our world. We also shed light on 1950s industries like television advertising and iconic artists that profoundly shaped society. Join Dan and me for this enlightening discussion into the past, present, and what may lie ahead.\n\n\u0026amp;nbsp\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\nThe podcast episode explores the evolution of media, starting from the 1930s when radio and television started to unify the world.\nThe hosts discuss the story of Matt Upchurch, founder of Virtuoso, and how his influential magazine became a guide in the complex world of information.\nThey also explore the potential future of global economics, focusing on elements like money, energy, labor, and technological innovation.\nThe episode delves into how these elements could redefine our landscape, especially in the context of a potential plateau period, and how they could challenge us to find more productive uses of technology.\nThe hosts revisit the 1950s, highlighting the significant impact of industries and events like television advertising and iconic appearances of Elvis Presley and the Beatles on the Ed Sullivan show.\nThey discuss emerging trends in mainland experiences, drawing parallels between cash flow and sense of humor, and delve into the realm of digital publishing.\nThe hosts examine the shifts in travel desires induced by the pandemic and the potential of community colleges in providing a pathway to future employment.\nThe hosts plan to set up a new sound studio and propose the idea of creating a digital collection basket at the end of the podcast.\nThey predict that the future will see a growth in high-quality mainland activities as people's standards for travel and experiences have risen after the COVID-19 pandemic.\nThey highlight that industrial land prices in certain areas are going through the roof, pointing towards a trend of re-industrialization driven by automation and the need to bring manufacturing closer to customers.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean Jackson\nMr. Sullivan.\n\nDan Sullivan\n Mr Jackson, are you having a good mainland day? \n\nDean Jackson\nI am. I've been, yeah, you know, I've been having a combination of, so far today, been on the mainland and in Deanlandia and there's. That's a good combination. Now yeah, here we are in Cloudlandia. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYes, yeah, well, it's a beautiful day We've had. Actually, by my memory, we've had a fantastic summer in Toronto, July and August. It's really great. You know Well, when it rains, it usually rains at night, and so the grass is all green. I've never seen the trees so green, so it's been great. I've been reading about forest fires you know I've been reading about hurricanes, typhoons, volcanoes, not in Toronto. \n\nDean Jackson\nBut we're going to have a, apparently because of the ocean temperatures, we're in for a potentially turbulent hurricane season, which is just getting going here now. So everybody kind of you know straps in between now and end of October to see what happens, right Well as we've been in the news. They'll let us know what you know when they put up the big red buzzsaw making its way towards Florida to get everybody all suitably panicked. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, well, it's very interesting. The 1930s are still the hottest decade since the US has had temperature readings yeah, yeah, and the big thing is that we have so much news now. Everybody's a newscaster now with their cell phone. So what's gotten exponentially greater is actually people's first reaction to the weather, you know. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nAnd climate I've never experienced. You know, I'm 79 and to this day I've never experienced climate. I've only experienced weather. That's right. Is it my feeling? You know I don't have a climate chip in my brain. You know a climate. Actually. You do know how it's the average of a year's temperature in a particular spot. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, what's the? \n\nDan Sullivan\nclimate Right, exactly, and the spot where you're sitting is different from the year than 100 yards away from where you're sitting. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's interesting. Yeah, the whole. It's all different, right, everything that whole. Yeah, I look at those as one of those things. We're certainly in you know an age, like you said, with the news there that everybody you know. I mean when you look at from you know I think about the big change again when we went from you know no new. You know the local town prior kind of the voice of what's going on. \n\nDan Sullivan\nSo when we got to, a unified voice of. \n\nDean Jackson\nYou know the, when the radio and the television became the unifying, that's really what it was. It was a unifying thing for the first 30 years of it and then when the affiliate you know the network kind of thing allowed local voices to be, you know, you got the in the beginning. It was when you were born all it was the national radio and national television right. The television wasn't even a thing when you were born in 1944. \n\nDan Sullivan\nIn the 40s, no 40s, so when you were a young boy, you got your first face to Howdy duty. \n\nDean Jackson\nI mean, that was, that was something, I guess huh. Everybody got introduced to Howdy duty. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, I was, and there there was. I can figure it was like 1953, maybe 1953 that I became aware of television, because some neighbors had it and and you know, and it was the three you know ABC, cbs, nbc but then where we lived in. Ohio. \n\nDean Jackson\nwe got Canadian Broadcasting Corporation from there and so I was aware that there was this country across the lake, yeah, and so yeah, it's very interesting, isn't it, that then, you know, by the time we got to 1980, we ended up we had 13 channels. That was a big, that was a big jump in the next 30 years. But all of those 13 channels were both distributing the national content of ABC and BC and CBS, but they were also producing local content. And now we're at a situation where you had, you know, 13 channels with multiple, you know, regional voices, the market affiliate, affiliates, and now we're at a stage where there are, you know, five billion voices all going through the three you know that was funny because, we've come down to, the channels are the same in terms of Facebook, instagram, youtube, twitter. \n\nMr. Beans, yeah right, well, these are part of the YouTube network there, you know, but not now the platforms are there, but everybody but there's, you know, billions of voices on those same things, and that that's where I see that this next 30 years or however long, I don't know how long it'll be because you can't imagine what you can't imagine. But you know, I don't see anything on the horizon that's going to things like. It feels like all the pieces have locked into place for a period, you know, asymptotic plateau of creativity, now that everybody of reach, everybody's got access to it. \n\nDan Sullivan\nIt's really fascinating, and you're absolutely right that I have never had the experience of imagining something that I couldn't imagine Exactly. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's right, everybody had the first thought to imagine it. You know? Yeah, I was looking. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI had an interesting project project, a sudden project, this week. Do you know Matt up church? Have you ever? Do you remember Matthew up church? \n\nDean Jackson\nMatt. \n\nDan Sullivan\nMatt. Matt, the founder and owner of Virtuoso, and Virtuoso is the biggest network in the world of affluent travel agents. \n\nDean Jackson\nI'm a member actually. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, that's good, okay, yeah, they have this very posh magazine that comes out every quarter, every month. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, I get it from the Sims. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, yeah, and he was. Matt was in the program a couple times. He was in the 90s and then early. I think he came in right around late 90s and was in the 2000s and then I think he was there in the teams and, but in 2003, so 20 years ago right about now I was guest speaker at his annual conference at the Bellagio in Las Vegas and I think about 2000. \n\nThey're about 2000 travel agents there and there's a lot of travel companies there to like hotels and resorts and cruise lines, you know, and they have sort of a rapid get to know you sort of day, you know, when you meet somebody for 10 minutes and then you meet for another 10 minutes rapid work. \n\nYeah, so I gave a talk and I created a workbook and so it was probably about a 90 minute talk with about an hour of Q\u0026amp;A and then you know, then there was a half hour afterwards where people just mingled and but what I was telling them about was the, because of digitization, that so much of the standard travel agency business was going to be completely commoditized by Expedia and you know, like that type of thing. \n\nAnd so and I give a set of predictions and I also said that there's a bypass to all this if you master DOS the dangers, opportunities and the strengths and you just zero in very deep on your best clients and you identify, when they're traveling, what are the dangers that they experience. In other words, they could lose something, what are the opportunities that they could gain something in the strengths that they have. And as a test example, I did it on Babs and me, showing that how we like to travel and you know experiences that we really don't like having experiences that we love happening. \n\nAnd the strengths that we have to really enjoy and explore particular type of experiences. Okay, and I gave that to them and talked it through, but I gave as an example a hotel resort in Ravello in Italy. \n\nSo the Malfi Coast, you know you get South and Naples and you get you know, and you get town and Malfi and Ravello there's like four in the island of Capri is just up here. \n\nSo I'm sure really classically beautiful and luxury type of setting and it was and I'm not, I can't quite remember, but I think it was probably might have been right near the end of the 90s that we had gone there because we were going on a hiking tour with a group of people for about six days on the Amalfi coast and but before we went for about three days and stayed at the resort in Ravello which is called the Pozzo Saso and it's a beautiful. It sits way up high, it's a couple hundred feet off the water there. You know that part of the Mediterranean I don't think that's exactly called the Mediterranean there, but it's part of the Mediterranean and you can see down the coastline easily 50 miles and our staff had told the staff of the resort that it was my birthday. So the second day was my birthday and from morning till night everybody in the hotel said happy birthday, mr Sulton, happy birthday. \n\nDean Jackson\nYou know. \n\nDan Sullivan\nAnd then they there were nonstop treats throughout the day breakfast dinner there were treats and they communicated the conference, the Bellagio Conference. Virtuoso, I communicated. That's how I like that type of treatment. \n\nDean Jackson\nI like. I like that. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI like that when my treatment is like every day's my birthday and so, anyway, a really neat little reward for my talk was that then, after I got talking, there were a lot of people came up, shook my hand and everything. And this little man came up and he had almost tears in his eyes and he says Mr Sulton, I'm the general manager of the Pozzo Saso. \n\nAnd I don't I can't, I can't express to you what you've done for my trip to Las Vegas. He says everything I could have possibly hoped for here. You know, because there's competitors, the whole room is filled with competitors. \n\nThey're gonna spend their money on something you know, and so anyway, it was really funny, and that's it. I didn't remember this, really, for I never used that particular approach again. And so we got a call that they're at their same meeting this year and they have 5,000, they have 5,000 now because Virtuo so has really grown and they asked if I could do an update on what I had predicted. And I went through it and I said well, everything you know, I mean, once you grasp the technology. If you're just giving a standard service, technology is going to commoditize you. \n\nyou know there's I mean that's not such a great prediction backwards. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's funny you know you're on the right path. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYou can't digitize that experience that you have, and so they asked me if I had any further thoughts of what the next 20 years would look like, and I'm right on the spot, I said well, the world's gonna change. Everything that you've been experiencing for the last 20 years is gonna change much more drastically than it changed over the last 20 years, and the reason is I call it the force. I just nicknamed this. \n\nDean Jackson\nThe force slowdowns Okay and I said this was the force slowdowns. This feels like breaking news right here. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWell, this is like Cloudlandia. I mean this. I had to give you that background, just to accept it as a Cloudlandia idea. You know, I mean, there's tough standards. \n\nThere's tough standards to even be able to listen in on Cloudlandia, let alone speak on Cloudlandia. And I said the first thing is the cost of money is gonna go up and we call it in most places. We call that inflation. So right around the world there's just massive inflation, except for those places that have already been so undermined by inflation that they're now in deflation. And there's one big place where that's happening right now, and then the deflation is where you. Deflation is where the value of everything starts going down significantly. It's not just the cost of things. Inflation is really a function that things that you really want are gonna cost you more. And so for about 20 years we said that around 1%, 2%. You know it was the lowest inflation period since probably the last 20 years have been up until COVID was the lowest inflation. So the cost of money and that means borrowing money is gonna cost you a lot. \n\nAnd you know, here in Canada it's around 7%, you know, 7% to get bank loans, and the US is more or less the same. Second thing is the cost of energy is going way up in most of the world. Okay, and I'm gonna make a proviso where I say in most of the world, it's going to. So, just prior to COVID, the cost of transportation, the overall cost of transportation to get anything in the world, anywhere else in the world, was 1% of final product. \n\nSo you know you get something from 10,000 miles away. The transportation cost of that was 1% of the final cost and I would say well, first of all, there's places where it's gone 100%. Russia is being one of the places Russia shipping anything in the world. It costs them 100% and the reason is they can't get insurance for any freighter. You know freighter that goes into a Russian port Automatically. None of the big global insurance companies will insure it. \n\nYou just can't get insurance, and that's not just Russian boats, that's anybody's boat If you go into Russian territory and they don't have that many ports. They've got about four points. I mean they're 11 time zones wide and they've got about four meaningful ports. And two of them are right in the war zone. Sevastopol and Odessa are two big ports and so you can't even get. Nobody will take their boats into that area, so they're in, you know. I mean, the cost of transportation is really high when you can't transport. \n\nDean Jackson\nRight, exactly, you can't get there from here, right yeah? \n\nDan Sullivan\nAnd then the third is the cost of energy, because one, the war is a particular situation, but the cost of energy has gone way, way up. We had really cheap energy over the last 20 years, so now it's gonna go up and this isn't a momentary thing, this is going to be, you know. And then the fourth one is the cost of labor. Especially skilled labor, is gonna go way up, and skilled labor covers a lot of things, but it's basically that there would be competition to hire you if you were working someplace. There would be competition from the outside that you would offer somebody more to move from where they are, and anyone who's got skills that would do that. And if you're so 18-year-old in Toronto today, if they take a 10-week industry sponsored training course, they'll get a certification at the end of 10 weeks and a year later they're making $60,000. Within three or four years they're making $100,000, and they'll never make less. \n\nAnd there will be constant bidding because we've gone basically in North America, a lot of parts of the world. We've gone probably 20, 30 years without any real emphasis on skilled labor, skilled labor, Skilled main land labor. \n\nDean Jackson\nyou mean yeah, or everybody's going into the skilled club land labor. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, and a lot of them. \n\nDean Jackson\nThere's so much of it and that's being replaced by AI now, yeah, exactly, you're not gonna have a, you're not going to have an AI sneaking your toilet. \n\nDan Sullivan\nNo, there won't be AI, plumbers, ai, carpenters, ai all the skill trades that's every kind of factory work requires skill training. \n\nDean Jackson\nSo anyway, those are the four slowdowns. \n\nDan Sullivan\nSo those are the four slowdowns and the biggest thing is going to slow down as technological experimentation, innovation, that's going to change really fast and you could see at the end of starting in, probably beginning of 22 last year, there was more firings in the high tech industry than probably in any other industry, and the reason for that was they were hiring people for projects they were going to do 10 years from now and they don't have the cap. The money is too expensive to be paying for things that aren't going to get a payback in 10 years or so. So what I'm saying is and you brought this up, it got me thinking the last podcast we had you brought up that we may now be in sort of a plateau period, like you described the 50s to the 80s. \n\nDean Jackson\nAnd. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI think we're right now we're going back into a plateau period. \n\nDean Jackson\nWhere there's a lot of development. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThere's a lot of development and a lot of more productive uses of what we already have. \n\nDean Jackson\nYes, and that's what I think it is now. It's going to be the application through those pipes, just like the iPhone in 2007,. That laid the groundwork for the app culture that brought us Uber and Instagram and Facebook and YouTube all the big things that we use on that vehicle of the phone. \n\nAnd now it's really. This is what I'm fascinated by is who were the big winners and how was the big adaptation to the tool set that was available in 1950. If you think about that, as by 1950, we had television, radio, we had the plane travel, electricity, automobiles, all of those big things that were highlighted in the big change from 1900 to 1950. Were the big winners and continue to be the big winners of that period Of an. Is it adapt, being adaptive on that? Because it wasn't a big period of invention, it was a capitalization of. You look at the packaged goods, the consumer goods really boomed in the 50s and 60s through television advertising. \n\nYou look at Procter Gamble and big packaged goods companies that knew if we just package up a product, put it in front of the audience. We know everybody. We know 50 million, 53 million people or 60 million people were watching. I love Lucy in the fifth. Those reach audiences. I think Gunsmoke was like a high watermark of the large audience. Then it started going down from there. I saw a chart where that was the peak 61 million I think was the largest television audience in 1960, something whatever Gunsmoke was at its peak. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThen there were single events like Elvis Presley, the Beatles being on the Ed Sullivan show. You had single events. There were things like that as a series. I bet your numbers are dead on. \n\nDean Jackson\nWhile the number one shows on television what did grow during that period. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI love that period. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's why I'm asking you and my observation. \n\nDan Sullivan\nFirst of all, if you were in putting in superhighways, that was a really big deal. The Turnpike, the cross-country interstate highway system, had just crossed Ohio, probably around 1956 or 57, on its way to the west coast. The other states were building but they weren't connected. They weren't connected yet. \n\nDean Jackson\nThe. \n\nDan Sullivan\nOhio Turnpike was just a continuation of the New Jersey and Pennsylvania Turnpikes. These were toll roads. That was it. The other thing was an enormous movement of industry out of the big cities, the big northern cities. I grew up in northern Ohio. Ohio was the most powerful industrial state in the United States, starting probably in the 1880s. 1890s it was just a powerhouse. Pittsburgh was famous for steel, but Ohio City's young down to Cleveland. Cleveland had as much steel as Pittsburgh did, but it was spread out over three countries. \n\nIt was all geared to Detroit. All of a sudden the automobile industry really consolidated down to just the three companies. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat was just Ford and Chrysler that created the suburbs that created the suburbs. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThe other thing was retail changed because every time you put one of these interstate highways in, you bypass small towns. So small town retail started to die in the 50s because shopping centers and shopping malls may be between two small towns or three small towns but everybody went shopping in their small town, except for daily convenience. But they would go to the shopping mall. \n\nThe shopping mall went through the industry the other thing that's a whole industry but it was air conditioning. Air conditioning allowed people to move industry and commerce and everything to the south. You wouldn't want to be in Orlando in the 1950s. You weren't too warm to do productive work. \n\nDean Jackson\nRight, I'm recognizing now the pattern of so. We went from the general store to the main street in small towns, to strip plazas in the 50s, to shopping malls in the 70s, 80s, 90s to Amazon. Now. Amazon is basically or online, where we get everything, every physical good that you could imagine. Online is really the thing. But that's an interesting evolution. Right From main street to when we had automobiles and went suburban, it was the strip mall and then where you could drive your car up into the parking lot and go to the plaza where there was all of the collection anchored around a grocery store, perhaps in a dry cleaner, and putting everything in one place and then that led to the franchise, as a great thing, because the homogen that you created a homogenous vibe in the country by unifying everybody around the television. \n\nEverybody was seeing what leave it to be and that whole, all of those shows. \n\nDan Sullivan\nAnd the other thing is that the cars became more comfortable because people could go on long trips now, so I remember when you got air conditioning in the cars and so the other thing about it was the recorded music industry went through the roof in the 50s, 60s, you got 45s, came in 33 and a third came in and 45 came in and the late 40s and 40s. \n\nDean Jackson\nAnd so the recorded part of what drove the recorded music industry was that they had a discovery device of the radio that you could play music over the radio and that would draw and they would be on bandstand and be on the Ed Sullivan show and be on the thing. So everybody would gain an awareness and, you know, you could create that sensation which drove people to the local record store to buy the records. And that's where that really took off. You know, now we're in a situation where the you know it's certainly, I think, more of a meritocracy now in a way that anybody, it certainly. You look at Peter Diamandis's six D's were certainly up into the democratizing phase of that. Anybody could. \n\nI mean you and I could make a hit song if we wanted to and put it out, and we've got as much. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI think we could have a hit song made. \n\nDean Jackson\nYes we don't want to apply it ourselves. Our leadership and finance. \nDan Sullivan\nI think it would upset our daily lifestyle if we were yeah, we can who, not how. \n\nDean Jackson\nWe can who, not how. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, it's long right but I had a really great example of that on Friday morning so I had a podcast to Belfast, ireland, great guy, and he's got a coaching program called, which is simple, scaling you know how, helping entrepreneurs to scale their businesses and it was great he went. We went twice the a lot of time because neither of us had a hard stop and but you know he's got a hundred thousand that download the world he's in a hundred countries, you know wow and you, and you and. \n\nBut you and I have looked at this, you know, from a cost standpoint. I mean, once you bought your computer and you've got an internet line, the rest of it's pretty. I mean there isn't a lot of cost to this. But here we guy, he's got a hundred country worldwide radio station, then he's got a audience of a hundred thousand. You know yeah, and and that my past. And I mean, if you compare that back to what that would have taken, well, let's go 25 years ago. I mean, yeah, achieve that 25 years ago. \n\nDean Jackson\nIt would have cost you so much more, you know when you look at her Carlson, that's a good example right now. Yeah, what's happening? \n\nDan Sullivan\nI mean it's taking him about two or two or three months to sort of get used to it. And now his show is more powerful than when he was on Fox, because he got three million. \n\nDean Jackson\nThree million to 13 million average viewer. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah yeah, and that's. He's done that in three months. You know, yeah, I mean yeah, but now you know the thing is you and I could do exactly like. \n\nDean Jackson\nThis is where the thing is. The difference is the is reach. You know it's not the capability I mean, it's certainly you and I and anybody listening right now has the capability to create a vehicle, to create the podcast, to create a show, to create let's just call it content, to create content that you know could have that kind of impact, but it's just breaches the ultimate scale of this, you know, and it's not, yeah, but that requires the interesting thing is, the more reach that you have, the more you acquire new capability to go along with it, you know and the more your vision gets bigger as your reach gets bigger. \n\nDan Sullivan\nIt was like we have the same landlord are building in Toronto. We don't own the building because they don't sell their buildings and it's a perfect building for us, but yeah, labor Day. So we're a month. Within a month, we will have been there 32 years in that building yeah, you're the you're the only tenant from about the middle of 2020 to the middle of 2022. \n\nWe were the only yeah, and the check for them was there every month, anything like that. But about 15 years in we haven't. I haven't talked to the landlord. Probably since 2000 I've talked to both of them socially. I've met them, you know, in social events, but I haven't talked to anyone, let's say around 2011. So last or 2001 I've probably talked to them in year 10 of our stay in their building and I was unusually from his perspective, I was unusually funding that day and he says I don't remember, I don't remember, I don't remember you being that funny when you moved in and I said I find my sense of humor is strictly a function of cash flow, right? \n\nyes, there's a correlation there or the bigger the cash flow, the bigger the cash flow, that bigger my sense of humor. \n\nYeah so, so anyway, but it's very really interesting how I you know this is and he really we've had and the reason he did it is because of the book, the ten times since he's here at them, two times okay, and first of all, the way I did the book, you know, with Ben Hardy, that probably was not possible 20 years ago, 30 years ago right the way. I did the book. Yeah, because half the most profitable part of the book is not the book itself, it's actually the audible version of the book. \n\nI mean once you made your first audible recording. From the standpoint of the publisher, there's not really any cost, is there? You know right, that's exactly right and yet it works out one to one for every, you know, paper book that sold. There's another sale that's a virtual. It's either Kindle, you know, it's either ebook or it's yeah, it's audible, and so that wasn't possible 20, 30 years ago. \n\nSo I think, we're pointing out a direction here is that I think there's gonna be two extraordinarily valuable world. I think high-quality mainland activities are getting going, grow and grow and do you? Mean by that, hi what? When you well, I think people had two years basically not going anywhere during COVID yeah and I think there are standards of good what they want to do. If they go so much, somewhere has gone up, I'm going to take the effort to travel. I mean we never gave any thought to travel before COVID. I mean you were all around the world. \n\nYou were in Australia. \n\nDean Jackson\nEvery year, all the time. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, yeah, and you were in Toronto. You were in other places in the United States and I think that it has to be something new, better and different for you to really get on a plane and travel somewhere. And it's the same with me and I've gotten about five. Speech. Offers big audiences 500 to 2,000. And I say I'll do it by Zoom, but I won't travel, I won't travel. \n\nAnd they said but the price they're offering this year for speeches is way above what it was three years ago. And I said it's not the money, it's the time, it's the time to bother. \n\nDean Jackson\nI said that's not the money Right exactly. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, that's what I'm talking about. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI mean in your experience, in my experience. I think you can see a trend here. I am too. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, exactly, I'll tell you what would be a new and unique and delightful experience is my ears perked up to FreeZone in Toronto in April of next year, that might be enough to tell you I'm very excited to get me on a plane, very excited about that actually. But, D, you know, well, that's good, that's good. Yeah, well, I'm going to go back to my team. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI said I just got word from Dean that he's really interested and we said, well, it's a lot of work. But you said we just have to have an offer for Dean that's compelling enough that he'll come to Toronto, did you see? That's it. I mean it might be a one person FreeZone, but it's worth it. \n\nDean Jackson\nThe table 10. We need anything. That's what I really miss the most the many of it. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, well, the table's still there, but it's not 10. \n\nDean Jackson\nHey, did anybody take? \n\nDan Sullivan\nover Jacques. \n\nDean Jackson\nNo, it's something else. \n\nDan Sullivan\nnow it's not a restaurant anymore. Oh, that's a shame. \n\nDean Jackson\nWell, when you were saying thinking about the high quality mainland experiences that I'm noticing here. So there seems to be a trend. Now that's happening is gathering spots in a way. Now there's almost like modern day food court type of things, where we're getting a new place. \n\nTwo of them in Winterhaven that are sort of outdoor common area with venue for live music and tables and picnic tables and that's stuff where you can kind of gather with a bunch of people but five or six restaurant concept, almost like food trucks or whatever, but in places where you can go and have five or six different food restaurant choices other than each of them opening up an individual restaurant they're sharing a common experience and architecturally they're really. They're reclaiming old warehouse space and things that are. \n\nThey're making them really architecturally interesting and integrating outdoor space to make them really like you want to be there. \n\nDan Sullivan\nInteresting, I was thinking about that this morning because on Richmond Street West. So if you remember your map, portland, where Portland Street is in North South Street and then you have Portland and a lot of restaurants. So it's just, it's north of Adelaide Street and then you have Richmond, but what's really interesting, there's a whole factory, old factory that was taken over and it was gutted, and it's a food center, just like you say, with lots of but the anchor restaurant in there is Susar Lee, so you can say that, yeah, I was going to say I just read about Susar Lee, yeah. \n\nAnd so the rent he was paying rent on just on King Street. So he's jumped out. His lease came up and he jumped and they offered him to become the anchor rest. \n\nSo he'll have his whole restaurant in there, but instead of it being out on the outside, it's the rest of the food court with smaller restaurants and there's seating areas out in the center, but he's got his own seating area, like it's like a patio, but it's so. We were thinking about going there this week because it just opened in July and we wouldn't have gone there for the sake of the food court, but we would go there because that's where Susar is. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's really interesting, because I just like. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI mean, it's totally what you're talking about. \n\nDean Jackson\nAnd it's just so funny that you mentioned that specific place, because I was just on Toronto Life this morning looking at that, because I often go there just to see keep up with what's going on, and I saw this about about Susar Lee's new place. So yeah, that is funny, but so that is kind of like now bringing it's almost like bringing back to the mainland being the, because that's a mainland experience. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah. \n\nDean Jackson\nDigitize that yeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nAnd I mean there's just an enormous condo building going on in that area, so the residential population is always going up in that area. As a matter of fact, suit Sasha Kersmerk. Sasha, I think you know Sasha, he might. Sasha is almost 20 years in coach. He's the number one site surveying company in Toronto. Okay, so nothing. No project starts until the site survey is approved. \n\nDean Jackson\nRight. \n\nDan Sullivan\nBy city officials and he's got roughly 80% of all the site survey projects in the city right now. I mean he's just the dominant and he said that basically from the plan for Toronto is from the lake going north. If you have Jarvis on the east and you have Bathurst on the west, okay, so you can think of all the streets in there that would go there, from there to basically four street, davenport, you know Yorkville. \n\nDean Jackson\nOkay, yeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nIt'll look like a mini manhattan island in 30, 40 years. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, wow, that's very interesting. It'll be all high rise and there's still high rise, yeah, and that's kind of the thing is being able to see that if you just look with your 2040 goggles on to see where that's heading, yeah, it's probably 2050, 2060,. You know and everything like that. \n\nDan Sullivan\nBut the other thing is Toronto is becoming very quickly a major industrial city between here and so here on Lake Huron it's all the way to the bridge across to the United States at Buffalo or at you know, the bridge in St. \n\nDean Jackson\nCatherine's that goes across, and then in Western Ontario, the. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWindsor-Chatham area to go across the Ambassador Bridge in Detroit and half the Canadian GDP. Gdp you know, money in, money off goes across those two bridges every year yeah. And the Canadian economy and he said the price of industrial land from here to Niagara Falls is just going through the roof. And he said things that were plotted out as residential areas. You know, single family residential areas they're getting outpriced in the market now by the industrial competitors. \n\nAnd it makes sense too if the Canadian dollar remains always weaker against the American dollar. It's, you know, it's $30, $34 today, you know. So there's always this big differential between the, because US is much more powerful economy you know it's got nine times the population. \n\nYou know it's got nine times. It's got probably 10 times the consumption dollars that are available in all areas of business. So so you know you'll have an American factory and they say we're going to put a factory near Toronto on the Canadian side, and we're going to manufacture everything, paying Canadian prices for the manufacturing, selling it into the United States, bringing it back from the United States. \n\nDean Jackson\nWait a minute. That's your playbook. That's not any of your playbook. \n\nDan Sullivan\nOh, Mr Sullivan, this is Revenue Canada. We want to have a chat with you. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, exactly that's funny I was listening to. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI was listening to Cloudlandia. \n\nDean Jackson\nOh man, that's funny. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI get more tricks from Cloudlandia than anything else. I listen and watch. \n\nDean Jackson\nI wonder you know if it's so, I think now a lot of this industrialization or re-industrialization, is it, do you think, driven by automation, like robotics and you know, automating manufacturing processes, that or what is it, do you think Well? \n\nDan Sullivan\nI would say half of it is we can't trust China for anything in the future and everything that's being manufactured in China. \n\nWe've got to bring it back. And since we're moving it out of China, we can get the same kind of deals in Mexico or even in the middle of the United States, and it will be 21st century industry, industry, and it'll be 21st century. The US has the greatest skilled population in the world. A lot of people don't think that's true, but hands down, at all levels of the economy, united States has more educated, skilled work per capita than any other country in the world. So the US there's factories in the US that can produce that the same, and it's skilled labor plus automation. So automation is definitely, I would say it's 20% of it. \n\nBut also making your staff really close to your customers has enormous savings. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, yeah, it's fascinating times, Dan. I mean, if you're thinking, I have really been thinking about if we are at a plateau. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWell, I think the I mean if it costs more for money, if it costs more for transportation, it costs more for energy and it costs more for labor, things are going to slow down. Yeah, and you know just that welding example I gave you of the 18 year old who can be making. I mean, somebody goes to you know university for four and learns a lot of theory and you know, is maybe 50 or $60,000 in debt at the end of four years. The person at 18 who became a welder is already buying their first house. You know they're. You know Exactly. \n\nDean Jackson\nLike think about how, when you take the, you know, when you take the net difference between them investing four years with no income and going into debt to get a degree that gets them an entry level job when they get out with that degree. And so you know that's not compared to coming into a training program and making $60,000 and at the end of the four years making $100,000 and not having any debt. You're so much further ahead on that foundation. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, yeah, I think there's going to be an explosive growth of community colleges that are integrated with the local business, you know, the basic industrial population and everything else. I checked the numbers about two years, the number of community colleges in the US and these would be made. These would be mainly two year, two year community colleges, yeah, and there was just under just under a thousand and two things I think are going to happen. That number will probably jump to 2000 over the next 25 years. \n\nBut even the thousand that exists will double their size. They'll double their enrollment. Yeah, that's interesting, and I wonder, though, if they're you know, because they're doing like yeah, I mean you have like George Brown and in Toronto, and you have there's about, there's probably about four community colleges. That would what do you call a community college in the United States? There are before them in the Toronto area and they're at maximum. You know, they're at maximum enrollment. As a matter of fact, they have waiting lists now to get in. Yeah, and that's all skilled. \n\nYou know it's all skilled trades. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYou come out being able to you graduate on a Friday and you go to work on Monday. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThe employers come to the colleges and they interview all work interviews are in your while you're at college. You're getting interviewed and some of you you're actually working at the place while you're in college. And you know, and yeah so I think that whole notion. \n\nDean Jackson\nIt doesn't matter how much you're working at the college. \n\nDan Sullivan\nIt doesn't matter how much you spend on college, you'll get paid, you know you'll get paid in the future, you know you'll get paid off easily in the future. I think that ended no 809 actually with the downturn there and I think that that was a huge interruption in the connection between higher education and future employment and I think that COVID put the nail in the coffin to that proposition. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, Well, yeah, I remember hearing Sheridan College, I guess is the one is yeah, share, yeah, and I remember they were. That was like the Sheridan animators were really in demand, that there was one of the places where you know Disney and others were Pixar were hiring. You know all the newly minted, you know digital animators that were coming out of that yeah. So I think that Ryerson has been another one of those. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, there's a new Sound Studio, mostly post production. One of them is just building new studios in our building, but therefore they're not. They're not for live. You know, live production, their post production. So they have editing studios, but right behind us. So Fraser is the front street for us, but behind us is one called Pardee, which is basically a parking lot, and way at the end they have a live production studio, while ours will start being built in September and we'll have it in about six months, based on all the great input by your guy there in Orlando. \n\nDean Jackson\nYou know, we've designed it. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWe can handle six different people at the same time, six different studios being used at the same time Great production. But next, you know, next March, next April. Yeah, you know, I'm gonna live a long time. What's six months? You know. \n\nDean Jackson\nRight, exactly, yeah, yeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nAnyway, but I went over and we did our recording of the quarterly book because you need real top-notch studio for a court to go audible and it was really great, but the guy who was handling us was a graduate from Sheridan College. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, I'm excited, I'm really. This is my thought, for I'm gonna do some thinking about, you know, establishing this thought. If we are in a plateau period. If we are in a slowdown, but in a plateau period of what is gonna be the you know what's shaping up here to do that same thing. I love looking at things like this. We're just gonna put it together Macro level, like that. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, I'm gonna do a little thinking to a four slowdowns. You know, money, energy, transportation, labor, and I'm just going to have our clients go through it and say, if this is the obstacle, then what's the transformation? You? Know, and so, and how do you take advantage of the four slowdowns? \n\nDean Jackson\nI think it's a neat idea I do too, Absolutely. I can't wait. I love it. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWell, what a great way to spend the late morning on Sunday. I can't think of any better way. \n\nDean Jackson\nIt's like the perfect and there's no collection basket. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThere's no collection basket, no collection basket. \n\nDean Jackson\nMaybe we should set some in, though without. Oh, there we go. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, Anyway, we could have. We could have a digital collection basket at the end. \n\nDean Jackson\nThere we go. Yeah, exactly that's so funny. \n\nDan Sullivan\nIf this was useful, just you know, put your card up there next to the scanner and yeah, that's so good, I love it, no need to make change and no exactly, I'm good so funny, alrighty. I'm good for next Sunday I'll be back here. \n\nDean Jackson\nMe too, I wouldn't miss it. Okay, okay, thanks, dan. Talk to you soon, bye, bye. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn this episode of Cloudlandia, I accompany you on a captivating time-travel adventure to the 1930s era. We explore the nascent media landscape and how the rise of radio and television began to connect the world.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe predict how elements like technology, energy, money and labor may redefine our world. We also shed light on 1950s industries like television advertising and iconic artists that profoundly shaped society. Join Dan and me for this enlightening discussion into the past, present, and what may lie ahead.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eThe podcast episode explores the evolution of media, starting from the 1930s when radio and television started to unify the world.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eThe hosts discuss the story of Matt Upchurch, founder of Virtuoso, and how his influential magazine became a guide in the complex world of information.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eThey also explore the potential future of global economics, focusing on elements like money, energy, labor, and technological innovation.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eThe episode delves into how these elements could redefine our landscape, especially in the context of a potential plateau period, and how they could challenge us to find more productive uses of technology.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eThe hosts revisit the 1950s, highlighting the significant impact of industries and events like television advertising and iconic appearances of Elvis Presley and the Beatles on the Ed Sullivan show.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eThey discuss emerging trends in mainland experiences, drawing parallels between cash flow and sense of humor, and delve into the realm of digital publishing.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eThe hosts examine the shifts in travel desires induced by the pandemic and the potential of community colleges in providing a pathway to future employment.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eThe hosts plan to set up a new sound studio and propose the idea of creating a digital collection basket at the end of the podcast.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eThey predict that the future will see a growth in high-quality mainland activities as people\u0026#39;s standards for travel and experiences have risen after the COVID-19 pandemic.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eThey highlight that industrial land prices in certain areas are going through the roof, pointing towards a trend of re-industrialization driven by automation and the need to bring manufacturing closer to customers.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nMr. Sullivan.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n Mr Jackson, are you having a good mainland day? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI am. I\u0026#39;ve been, yeah, you know, I\u0026#39;ve been having a combination of, so far today, been on the mainland and in Deanlandia and there\u0026#39;s. That\u0026#39;s a good combination. Now yeah, here we are in Cloudlandia. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYes, yeah, well, it\u0026#39;s a beautiful day We\u0026#39;ve had. Actually, by my memory, we\u0026#39;ve had a fantastic summer in Toronto, July and August. It\u0026#39;s really great. You know Well, when it rains, it usually rains at night, and so the grass is all green. I\u0026#39;ve never seen the trees so green, so it\u0026#39;s been great. I\u0026#39;ve been reading about forest fires you know I\u0026#39;ve been reading about hurricanes, typhoons, volcanoes, not in Toronto. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBut we\u0026#39;re going to have a, apparently because of the ocean temperatures, we\u0026#39;re in for a potentially turbulent hurricane season, which is just getting going here now. So everybody kind of you know straps in between now and end of October to see what happens, right Well as we\u0026#39;ve been in the news. They\u0026#39;ll let us know what you know when they put up the big red buzzsaw making its way towards Florida to get everybody all suitably panicked. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, well, it\u0026#39;s very interesting. The 1930s are still the hottest decade since the US has had temperature readings yeah, yeah, and the big thing is that we have so much news now. Everybody\u0026#39;s a newscaster now with their cell phone. So what\u0026#39;s gotten exponentially greater is actually people\u0026#39;s first reaction to the weather, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd climate I\u0026#39;ve never experienced. You know, I\u0026#39;m 79 and to this day I\u0026#39;ve never experienced climate. I\u0026#39;ve only experienced weather. That\u0026#39;s right. Is it my feeling? You know I don\u0026#39;t have a climate chip in my brain. You know a climate. Actually. You do know how it\u0026#39;s the average of a year\u0026#39;s temperature in a particular spot. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, what\u0026#39;s the? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nclimate Right, exactly, and the spot where you\u0026#39;re sitting is different from the year than 100 yards away from where you\u0026#39;re sitting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s interesting. Yeah, the whole. It\u0026#39;s all different, right, everything that whole. Yeah, I look at those as one of those things. We\u0026#39;re certainly in you know an age, like you said, with the news there that everybody you know. I mean when you look at from you know I think about the big change again when we went from you know no new. You know the local town prior kind of the voice of what\u0026#39;s going on. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSo when we got to, a unified voice of. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYou know the, when the radio and the television became the unifying, that\u0026#39;s really what it was. It was a unifying thing for the first 30 years of it and then when the affiliate you know the network kind of thing allowed local voices to be, you know, you got the in the beginning. It was when you were born all it was the national radio and national television right. The television wasn\u0026#39;t even a thing when you were born in 1944. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIn the 40s, no 40s, so when you were a young boy, you got your first face to Howdy duty. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI mean, that was, that was something, I guess huh. Everybody got introduced to Howdy duty. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, I was, and there there was. I can figure it was like 1953, maybe 1953 that I became aware of television, because some neighbors had it and and you know, and it was the three you know ABC, cbs, nbc but then where we lived in. Ohio. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nwe got Canadian Broadcasting Corporation from there and so I was aware that there was this country across the lake, yeah, and so yeah, it\u0026#39;s very interesting, isn\u0026#39;t it, that then, you know, by the time we got to 1980, we ended up we had 13 channels. That was a big, that was a big jump in the next 30 years. But all of those 13 channels were both distributing the national content of ABC and BC and CBS, but they were also producing local content. And now we\u0026#39;re at a situation where you had, you know, 13 channels with multiple, you know, regional voices, the market affiliate, affiliates, and now we\u0026#39;re at a stage where there are, you know, five billion voices all going through the three you know that was funny because, we\u0026#39;ve come down to, the channels are the same in terms of Facebook, instagram, youtube, twitter. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eMr. Beans, yeah right, well, these are part of the YouTube network there, you know, but not now the platforms are there, but everybody but there\u0026#39;s, you know, billions of voices on those same things, and that that\u0026#39;s where I see that this next 30 years or however long, I don\u0026#39;t know how long it\u0026#39;ll be because you can\u0026#39;t imagine what you can\u0026#39;t imagine. But you know, I don\u0026#39;t see anything on the horizon that\u0026#39;s going to things like. It feels like all the pieces have locked into place for a period, you know, asymptotic plateau of creativity, now that everybody of reach, everybody\u0026#39;s got access to it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIt\u0026#39;s really fascinating, and you\u0026#39;re absolutely right that I have never had the experience of imagining something that I couldn\u0026#39;t imagine Exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s right, everybody had the first thought to imagine it. You know? Yeah, I was looking. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI had an interesting project project, a sudden project, this week. Do you know Matt up church? Have you ever? Do you remember Matthew up church? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nMatt. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nMatt. Matt, the founder and owner of Virtuoso, and Virtuoso is the biggest network in the world of affluent travel agents. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI\u0026#39;m a member actually. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, that\u0026#39;s good, okay, yeah, they have this very posh magazine that comes out every quarter, every month. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, I get it from the Sims. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, yeah, and he was. Matt was in the program a couple times. He was in the 90s and then early. I think he came in right around late 90s and was in the 2000s and then I think he was there in the teams and, but in 2003, so 20 years ago right about now I was guest speaker at his annual conference at the Bellagio in Las Vegas and I think about 2000. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey\u0026#39;re about 2000 travel agents there and there\u0026#39;s a lot of travel companies there to like hotels and resorts and cruise lines, you know, and they have sort of a rapid get to know you sort of day, you know, when you meet somebody for 10 minutes and then you meet for another 10 minutes rapid work. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, so I gave a talk and I created a workbook and so it was probably about a 90 minute talk with about an hour of Q\u0026amp;A and then you know, then there was a half hour afterwards where people just mingled and but what I was telling them about was the, because of digitization, that so much of the standard travel agency business was going to be completely commoditized by Expedia and you know, like that type of thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd so and I give a set of predictions and I also said that there\u0026#39;s a bypass to all this if you master DOS the dangers, opportunities and the strengths and you just zero in very deep on your best clients and you identify, when they\u0026#39;re traveling, what are the dangers that they experience. In other words, they could lose something, what are the opportunities that they could gain something in the strengths that they have. And as a test example, I did it on Babs and me, showing that how we like to travel and you know experiences that we really don\u0026#39;t like having experiences that we love happening. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd the strengths that we have to really enjoy and explore particular type of experiences. Okay, and I gave that to them and talked it through, but I gave as an example a hotel resort in Ravello in Italy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo the Malfi Coast, you know you get South and Naples and you get you know, and you get town and Malfi and Ravello there\u0026#39;s like four in the island of Capri is just up here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo I\u0026#39;m sure really classically beautiful and luxury type of setting and it was and I\u0026#39;m not, I can\u0026#39;t quite remember, but I think it was probably might have been right near the end of the 90s that we had gone there because we were going on a hiking tour with a group of people for about six days on the Amalfi coast and but before we went for about three days and stayed at the resort in Ravello which is called the Pozzo Saso and it\u0026#39;s a beautiful. It sits way up high, it\u0026#39;s a couple hundred feet off the water there. You know that part of the Mediterranean I don\u0026#39;t think that\u0026#39;s exactly called the Mediterranean there, but it\u0026#39;s part of the Mediterranean and you can see down the coastline easily 50 miles and our staff had told the staff of the resort that it was my birthday. So the second day was my birthday and from morning till night everybody in the hotel said happy birthday, mr Sulton, happy birthday. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYou know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd then they there were nonstop treats throughout the day breakfast dinner there were treats and they communicated the conference, the Bellagio Conference. Virtuoso, I communicated. That\u0026#39;s how I like that type of treatment. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI like. I like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI like that when my treatment is like every day\u0026#39;s my birthday and so, anyway, a really neat little reward for my talk was that then, after I got talking, there were a lot of people came up, shook my hand and everything. And this little man came up and he had almost tears in his eyes and he says Mr Sulton, I\u0026#39;m the general manager of the Pozzo Saso. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I don\u0026#39;t I can\u0026#39;t, I can\u0026#39;t express to you what you\u0026#39;ve done for my trip to Las Vegas. He says everything I could have possibly hoped for here. You know, because there\u0026#39;s competitors, the whole room is filled with competitors. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey\u0026#39;re gonna spend their money on something you know, and so anyway, it was really funny, and that\u0026#39;s it. I didn\u0026#39;t remember this, really, for I never used that particular approach again. And so we got a call that they\u0026#39;re at their same meeting this year and they have 5,000, they have 5,000 now because Virtuo so has really grown and they asked if I could do an update on what I had predicted. And I went through it and I said well, everything you know, I mean, once you grasp the technology. If you\u0026#39;re just giving a standard service, technology is going to commoditize you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eyou know there\u0026#39;s I mean that\u0026#39;s not such a great prediction backwards. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s funny you know you\u0026#39;re on the right path. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYou can\u0026#39;t digitize that experience that you have, and so they asked me if I had any further thoughts of what the next 20 years would look like, and I\u0026#39;m right on the spot, I said well, the world\u0026#39;s gonna change. Everything that you\u0026#39;ve been experiencing for the last 20 years is gonna change much more drastically than it changed over the last 20 years, and the reason is I call it the force. I just nicknamed this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThe force slowdowns Okay and I said this was the force slowdowns. This feels like breaking news right here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, this is like Cloudlandia. I mean this. I had to give you that background, just to accept it as a Cloudlandia idea. You know, I mean, there\u0026#39;s tough standards. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere\u0026#39;s tough standards to even be able to listen in on Cloudlandia, let alone speak on Cloudlandia. And I said the first thing is the cost of money is gonna go up and we call it in most places. We call that inflation. So right around the world there\u0026#39;s just massive inflation, except for those places that have already been so undermined by inflation that they\u0026#39;re now in deflation. And there\u0026#39;s one big place where that\u0026#39;s happening right now, and then the deflation is where you. Deflation is where the value of everything starts going down significantly. It\u0026#39;s not just the cost of things. Inflation is really a function that things that you really want are gonna cost you more. And so for about 20 years we said that around 1%, 2%. You know it was the lowest inflation period since probably the last 20 years have been up until COVID was the lowest inflation. So the cost of money and that means borrowing money is gonna cost you a lot. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd you know, here in Canada it\u0026#39;s around 7%, you know, 7% to get bank loans, and the US is more or less the same. Second thing is the cost of energy is going way up in most of the world. Okay, and I\u0026#39;m gonna make a proviso where I say in most of the world, it\u0026#39;s going to. So, just prior to COVID, the cost of transportation, the overall cost of transportation to get anything in the world, anywhere else in the world, was 1% of final product. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo you know you get something from 10,000 miles away. The transportation cost of that was 1% of the final cost and I would say well, first of all, there\u0026#39;s places where it\u0026#39;s gone 100%. Russia is being one of the places Russia shipping anything in the world. It costs them 100% and the reason is they can\u0026#39;t get insurance for any freighter. You know freighter that goes into a Russian port Automatically. None of the big global insurance companies will insure it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou just can\u0026#39;t get insurance, and that\u0026#39;s not just Russian boats, that\u0026#39;s anybody\u0026#39;s boat If you go into Russian territory and they don\u0026#39;t have that many ports. They\u0026#39;ve got about four points. I mean they\u0026#39;re 11 time zones wide and they\u0026#39;ve got about four meaningful ports. And two of them are right in the war zone. Sevastopol and Odessa are two big ports and so you can\u0026#39;t even get. Nobody will take their boats into that area, so they\u0026#39;re in, you know. I mean, the cost of transportation is really high when you can\u0026#39;t transport. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nRight, exactly, you can\u0026#39;t get there from here, right yeah? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd then the third is the cost of energy, because one, the war is a particular situation, but the cost of energy has gone way, way up. We had really cheap energy over the last 20 years, so now it\u0026#39;s gonna go up and this isn\u0026#39;t a momentary thing, this is going to be, you know. And then the fourth one is the cost of labor. Especially skilled labor, is gonna go way up, and skilled labor covers a lot of things, but it\u0026#39;s basically that there would be competition to hire you if you were working someplace. There would be competition from the outside that you would offer somebody more to move from where they are, and anyone who\u0026#39;s got skills that would do that. And if you\u0026#39;re so 18-year-old in Toronto today, if they take a 10-week industry sponsored training course, they\u0026#39;ll get a certification at the end of 10 weeks and a year later they\u0026#39;re making $60,000. Within three or four years they\u0026#39;re making $100,000, and they\u0026#39;ll never make less. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd there will be constant bidding because we\u0026#39;ve gone basically in North America, a lot of parts of the world. We\u0026#39;ve gone probably 20, 30 years without any real emphasis on skilled labor, skilled labor, Skilled main land labor. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nyou mean yeah, or everybody\u0026#39;s going into the skilled club land labor. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, and a lot of them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThere\u0026#39;s so much of it and that\u0026#39;s being replaced by AI now, yeah, exactly, you\u0026#39;re not gonna have a, you\u0026#39;re not going to have an AI sneaking your toilet. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nNo, there won\u0026#39;t be AI, plumbers, ai, carpenters, ai all the skill trades that\u0026#39;s every kind of factory work requires skill training. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSo anyway, those are the four slowdowns. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSo those are the four slowdowns and the biggest thing is going to slow down as technological experimentation, innovation, that\u0026#39;s going to change really fast and you could see at the end of starting in, probably beginning of 22 last year, there was more firings in the high tech industry than probably in any other industry, and the reason for that was they were hiring people for projects they were going to do 10 years from now and they don\u0026#39;t have the cap. The money is too expensive to be paying for things that aren\u0026#39;t going to get a payback in 10 years or so. So what I\u0026#39;m saying is and you brought this up, it got me thinking the last podcast we had you brought up that we may now be in sort of a plateau period, like you described the 50s to the 80s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI think we\u0026#39;re right now we\u0026#39;re going back into a plateau period. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWhere there\u0026#39;s a lot of development. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThere\u0026#39;s a lot of development and a lot of more productive uses of what we already have. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYes, and that\u0026#39;s what I think it is now. It\u0026#39;s going to be the application through those pipes, just like the iPhone in 2007,. That laid the groundwork for the app culture that brought us Uber and Instagram and Facebook and YouTube all the big things that we use on that vehicle of the phone. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd now it\u0026#39;s really. This is what I\u0026#39;m fascinated by is who were the big winners and how was the big adaptation to the tool set that was available in 1950. If you think about that, as by 1950, we had television, radio, we had the plane travel, electricity, automobiles, all of those big things that were highlighted in the big change from 1900 to 1950. Were the big winners and continue to be the big winners of that period Of an. Is it adapt, being adaptive on that? Because it wasn\u0026#39;t a big period of invention, it was a capitalization of. You look at the packaged goods, the consumer goods really boomed in the 50s and 60s through television advertising. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou look at Procter Gamble and big packaged goods companies that knew if we just package up a product, put it in front of the audience. We know everybody. We know 50 million, 53 million people or 60 million people were watching. I love Lucy in the fifth. Those reach audiences. I think Gunsmoke was like a high watermark of the large audience. Then it started going down from there. I saw a chart where that was the peak 61 million I think was the largest television audience in 1960, something whatever Gunsmoke was at its peak. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThen there were single events like Elvis Presley, the Beatles being on the Ed Sullivan show. You had single events. There were things like that as a series. I bet your numbers are dead on. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWhile the number one shows on television what did grow during that period. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI love that period. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s why I\u0026#39;m asking you and my observation. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nFirst of all, if you were in putting in superhighways, that was a really big deal. The Turnpike, the cross-country interstate highway system, had just crossed Ohio, probably around 1956 or 57, on its way to the west coast. The other states were building but they weren\u0026#39;t connected. They weren\u0026#39;t connected yet. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThe. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOhio Turnpike was just a continuation of the New Jersey and Pennsylvania Turnpikes. These were toll roads. That was it. The other thing was an enormous movement of industry out of the big cities, the big northern cities. I grew up in northern Ohio. Ohio was the most powerful industrial state in the United States, starting probably in the 1880s. 1890s it was just a powerhouse. Pittsburgh was famous for steel, but Ohio City\u0026#39;s young down to Cleveland. Cleveland had as much steel as Pittsburgh did, but it was spread out over three countries. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt was all geared to Detroit. All of a sudden the automobile industry really consolidated down to just the three companies. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat was just Ford and Chrysler that created the suburbs that created the suburbs. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThe other thing was retail changed because every time you put one of these interstate highways in, you bypass small towns. So small town retail started to die in the 50s because shopping centers and shopping malls may be between two small towns or three small towns but everybody went shopping in their small town, except for daily convenience. But they would go to the shopping mall. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe shopping mall went through the industry the other thing that\u0026#39;s a whole industry but it was air conditioning. Air conditioning allowed people to move industry and commerce and everything to the south. You wouldn\u0026#39;t want to be in Orlando in the 1950s. You weren\u0026#39;t too warm to do productive work. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nRight, I\u0026#39;m recognizing now the pattern of so. We went from the general store to the main street in small towns, to strip plazas in the 50s, to shopping malls in the 70s, 80s, 90s to Amazon. Now. Amazon is basically or online, where we get everything, every physical good that you could imagine. Online is really the thing. But that\u0026#39;s an interesting evolution. Right From main street to when we had automobiles and went suburban, it was the strip mall and then where you could drive your car up into the parking lot and go to the plaza where there was all of the collection anchored around a grocery store, perhaps in a dry cleaner, and putting everything in one place and then that led to the franchise, as a great thing, because the homogen that you created a homogenous vibe in the country by unifying everybody around the television. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eEverybody was seeing what leave it to be and that whole, all of those shows. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd the other thing is that the cars became more comfortable because people could go on long trips now, so I remember when you got air conditioning in the cars and so the other thing about it was the recorded music industry went through the roof in the 50s, 60s, you got 45s, came in 33 and a third came in and 45 came in and the late 40s and 40s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd so the recorded part of what drove the recorded music industry was that they had a discovery device of the radio that you could play music over the radio and that would draw and they would be on bandstand and be on the Ed Sullivan show and be on the thing. So everybody would gain an awareness and, you know, you could create that sensation which drove people to the local record store to buy the records. And that\u0026#39;s where that really took off. You know, now we\u0026#39;re in a situation where the you know it\u0026#39;s certainly, I think, more of a meritocracy now in a way that anybody, it certainly. You look at Peter Diamandis\u0026#39;s six D\u0026#39;s were certainly up into the democratizing phase of that. Anybody could. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean you and I could make a hit song if we wanted to and put it out, and we\u0026#39;ve got as much. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI think we could have a hit song made. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYes we don\u0026#39;t want to apply it ourselves. Our leadership and finance. \u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI think it would upset our daily lifestyle if we were yeah, we can who, not how. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWe can who, not how. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, it\u0026#39;s long right but I had a really great example of that on Friday morning so I had a podcast to Belfast, ireland, great guy, and he\u0026#39;s got a coaching program called, which is simple, scaling you know how, helping entrepreneurs to scale their businesses and it was great he went. We went twice the a lot of time because neither of us had a hard stop and but you know he\u0026#39;s got a hundred thousand that download the world he\u0026#39;s in a hundred countries, you know wow and you, and you and. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut you and I have looked at this, you know, from a cost standpoint. I mean, once you bought your computer and you\u0026#39;ve got an internet line, the rest of it\u0026#39;s pretty. I mean there isn\u0026#39;t a lot of cost to this. But here we guy, he\u0026#39;s got a hundred country worldwide radio station, then he\u0026#39;s got a audience of a hundred thousand. You know yeah, and and that my past. And I mean, if you compare that back to what that would have taken, well, let\u0026#39;s go 25 years ago. I mean, yeah, achieve that 25 years ago. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIt would have cost you so much more, you know when you look at her Carlson, that\u0026#39;s a good example right now. Yeah, what\u0026#39;s happening? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI mean it\u0026#39;s taking him about two or two or three months to sort of get used to it. And now his show is more powerful than when he was on Fox, because he got three million. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThree million to 13 million average viewer. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah yeah, and that\u0026#39;s. He\u0026#39;s done that in three months. You know, yeah, I mean yeah, but now you know the thing is you and I could do exactly like. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThis is where the thing is. The difference is the is reach. You know it\u0026#39;s not the capability I mean, it\u0026#39;s certainly you and I and anybody listening right now has the capability to create a vehicle, to create the podcast, to create a show, to create let\u0026#39;s just call it content, to create content that you know could have that kind of impact, but it\u0026#39;s just breaches the ultimate scale of this, you know, and it\u0026#39;s not, yeah, but that requires the interesting thing is, the more reach that you have, the more you acquire new capability to go along with it, you know and the more your vision gets bigger as your reach gets bigger. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIt was like we have the same landlord are building in Toronto. We don\u0026#39;t own the building because they don\u0026#39;t sell their buildings and it\u0026#39;s a perfect building for us, but yeah, labor Day. So we\u0026#39;re a month. Within a month, we will have been there 32 years in that building yeah, you\u0026#39;re the you\u0026#39;re the only tenant from about the middle of 2020 to the middle of 2022. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe were the only yeah, and the check for them was there every month, anything like that. But about 15 years in we haven\u0026#39;t. I haven\u0026#39;t talked to the landlord. Probably since 2000 I\u0026#39;ve talked to both of them socially. I\u0026#39;ve met them, you know, in social events, but I haven\u0026#39;t talked to anyone, let\u0026#39;s say around 2011. So last or 2001 I\u0026#39;ve probably talked to them in year 10 of our stay in their building and I was unusually from his perspective, I was unusually funding that day and he says I don\u0026#39;t remember, I don\u0026#39;t remember, I don\u0026#39;t remember you being that funny when you moved in and I said I find my sense of humor is strictly a function of cash flow, right? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eyes, there\u0026#39;s a correlation there or the bigger the cash flow, the bigger the cash flow, that bigger my sense of humor. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah so, so anyway, but it\u0026#39;s very really interesting how I you know this is and he really we\u0026#39;ve had and the reason he did it is because of the book, the ten times since he\u0026#39;s here at them, two times okay, and first of all, the way I did the book, you know, with Ben Hardy, that probably was not possible 20 years ago, 30 years ago right the way. I did the book. Yeah, because half the most profitable part of the book is not the book itself, it\u0026#39;s actually the audible version of the book. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean once you made your first audible recording. From the standpoint of the publisher, there\u0026#39;s not really any cost, is there? You know right, that\u0026#39;s exactly right and yet it works out one to one for every, you know, paper book that sold. There\u0026#39;s another sale that\u0026#39;s a virtual. It\u0026#39;s either Kindle, you know, it\u0026#39;s either ebook or it\u0026#39;s yeah, it\u0026#39;s audible, and so that wasn\u0026#39;t possible 20, 30 years ago. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo I think, we\u0026#39;re pointing out a direction here is that I think there\u0026#39;s gonna be two extraordinarily valuable world. I think high-quality mainland activities are getting going, grow and grow and do you? Mean by that, hi what? When you well, I think people had two years basically not going anywhere during COVID yeah and I think there are standards of good what they want to do. If they go so much, somewhere has gone up, I\u0026#39;m going to take the effort to travel. I mean we never gave any thought to travel before COVID. I mean you were all around the world. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou were in Australia. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nEvery year, all the time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, yeah, and you were in Toronto. You were in other places in the United States and I think that it has to be something new, better and different for you to really get on a plane and travel somewhere. And it\u0026#39;s the same with me and I\u0026#39;ve gotten about five. Speech. Offers big audiences 500 to 2,000. And I say I\u0026#39;ll do it by Zoom, but I won\u0026#39;t travel, I won\u0026#39;t travel. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd they said but the price they\u0026#39;re offering this year for speeches is way above what it was three years ago. And I said it\u0026#39;s not the money, it\u0026#39;s the time, it\u0026#39;s the time to bother. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI said that\u0026#39;s not the money Right exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, that\u0026#39;s what I\u0026#39;m talking about. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI mean in your experience, in my experience. I think you can see a trend here. I am too. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, exactly, I\u0026#39;ll tell you what would be a new and unique and delightful experience is my ears perked up to FreeZone in Toronto in April of next year, that might be enough to tell you I\u0026#39;m very excited to get me on a plane, very excited about that actually. But, D, you know, well, that\u0026#39;s good, that\u0026#39;s good. Yeah, well, I\u0026#39;m going to go back to my team. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI said I just got word from Dean that he\u0026#39;s really interested and we said, well, it\u0026#39;s a lot of work. But you said we just have to have an offer for Dean that\u0026#39;s compelling enough that he\u0026#39;ll come to Toronto, did you see? That\u0026#39;s it. I mean it might be a one person FreeZone, but it\u0026#39;s worth it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThe table 10. We need anything. That\u0026#39;s what I really miss the most the many of it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, well, the table\u0026#39;s still there, but it\u0026#39;s not 10. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nHey, did anybody take? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nover Jacques. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nNo, it\u0026#39;s something else. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nnow it\u0026#39;s not a restaurant anymore. Oh, that\u0026#39;s a shame. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, when you were saying thinking about the high quality mainland experiences that I\u0026#39;m noticing here. So there seems to be a trend. Now that\u0026#39;s happening is gathering spots in a way. Now there\u0026#39;s almost like modern day food court type of things, where we\u0026#39;re getting a new place. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eTwo of them in Winterhaven that are sort of outdoor common area with venue for live music and tables and picnic tables and that\u0026#39;s stuff where you can kind of gather with a bunch of people but five or six restaurant concept, almost like food trucks or whatever, but in places where you can go and have five or six different food restaurant choices other than each of them opening up an individual restaurant they\u0026#39;re sharing a common experience and architecturally they\u0026#39;re really. They\u0026#39;re reclaiming old warehouse space and things that are. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey\u0026#39;re making them really architecturally interesting and integrating outdoor space to make them really like you want to be there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nInteresting, I was thinking about that this morning because on Richmond Street West. So if you remember your map, portland, where Portland Street is in North South Street and then you have Portland and a lot of restaurants. So it\u0026#39;s just, it\u0026#39;s north of Adelaide Street and then you have Richmond, but what\u0026#39;s really interesting, there\u0026#39;s a whole factory, old factory that was taken over and it was gutted, and it\u0026#39;s a food center, just like you say, with lots of but the anchor restaurant in there is Susar Lee, so you can say that, yeah, I was going to say I just read about Susar Lee, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd so the rent he was paying rent on just on King Street. So he\u0026#39;s jumped out. His lease came up and he jumped and they offered him to become the anchor rest. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo he\u0026#39;ll have his whole restaurant in there, but instead of it being out on the outside, it\u0026#39;s the rest of the food court with smaller restaurants and there\u0026#39;s seating areas out in the center, but he\u0026#39;s got his own seating area, like it\u0026#39;s like a patio, but it\u0026#39;s so. We were thinking about going there this week because it just opened in July and we wouldn\u0026#39;t have gone there for the sake of the food court, but we would go there because that\u0026#39;s where Susar is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s really interesting, because I just like. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI mean, it\u0026#39;s totally what you\u0026#39;re talking about. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd it\u0026#39;s just so funny that you mentioned that specific place, because I was just on Toronto Life this morning looking at that, because I often go there just to see keep up with what\u0026#39;s going on, and I saw this about about Susar Lee\u0026#39;s new place. So yeah, that is funny, but so that is kind of like now bringing it\u0026#39;s almost like bringing back to the mainland being the, because that\u0026#39;s a mainland experience. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nDigitize that yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd I mean there\u0026#39;s just an enormous condo building going on in that area, so the residential population is always going up in that area. As a matter of fact, suit Sasha Kersmerk. Sasha, I think you know Sasha, he might. Sasha is almost 20 years in coach. He\u0026#39;s the number one site surveying company in Toronto. Okay, so nothing. No project starts until the site survey is approved. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nRight. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBy city officials and he\u0026#39;s got roughly 80% of all the site survey projects in the city right now. I mean he\u0026#39;s just the dominant and he said that basically from the plan for Toronto is from the lake going north. If you have Jarvis on the east and you have Bathurst on the west, okay, so you can think of all the streets in there that would go there, from there to basically four street, davenport, you know Yorkville. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOkay, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIt\u0026#39;ll look like a mini manhattan island in 30, 40 years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, wow, that\u0026#39;s very interesting. It\u0026#39;ll be all high rise and there\u0026#39;s still high rise, yeah, and that\u0026#39;s kind of the thing is being able to see that if you just look with your 2040 goggles on to see where that\u0026#39;s heading, yeah, it\u0026#39;s probably 2050, 2060,. You know and everything like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBut the other thing is Toronto is becoming very quickly a major industrial city between here and so here on Lake Huron it\u0026#39;s all the way to the bridge across to the United States at Buffalo or at you know, the bridge in St. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nCatherine\u0026#39;s that goes across, and then in Western Ontario, the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWindsor-Chatham area to go across the Ambassador Bridge in Detroit and half the Canadian GDP. Gdp you know, money in, money off goes across those two bridges every year yeah. And the Canadian economy and he said the price of industrial land from here to Niagara Falls is just going through the roof. And he said things that were plotted out as residential areas. You know, single family residential areas they\u0026#39;re getting outpriced in the market now by the industrial competitors. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd it makes sense too if the Canadian dollar remains always weaker against the American dollar. It\u0026#39;s, you know, it\u0026#39;s $30, $34 today, you know. So there\u0026#39;s always this big differential between the, because US is much more powerful economy you know it\u0026#39;s got nine times the population. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know it\u0026#39;s got nine times. It\u0026#39;s got probably 10 times the consumption dollars that are available in all areas of business. So so you know you\u0026#39;ll have an American factory and they say we\u0026#39;re going to put a factory near Toronto on the Canadian side, and we\u0026#39;re going to manufacture everything, paying Canadian prices for the manufacturing, selling it into the United States, bringing it back from the United States. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWait a minute. That\u0026#39;s your playbook. That\u0026#39;s not any of your playbook. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOh, Mr Sullivan, this is Revenue Canada. We want to have a chat with you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, exactly that\u0026#39;s funny I was listening to. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI was listening to Cloudlandia. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOh man, that\u0026#39;s funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI get more tricks from Cloudlandia than anything else. I listen and watch. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI wonder you know if it\u0026#39;s so, I think now a lot of this industrialization or re-industrialization, is it, do you think, driven by automation, like robotics and you know, automating manufacturing processes, that or what is it, do you think Well? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI would say half of it is we can\u0026#39;t trust China for anything in the future and everything that\u0026#39;s being manufactured in China. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe\u0026#39;ve got to bring it back. And since we\u0026#39;re moving it out of China, we can get the same kind of deals in Mexico or even in the middle of the United States, and it will be 21st century industry, industry, and it\u0026#39;ll be 21st century. The US has the greatest skilled population in the world. A lot of people don\u0026#39;t think that\u0026#39;s true, but hands down, at all levels of the economy, united States has more educated, skilled work per capita than any other country in the world. So the US there\u0026#39;s factories in the US that can produce that the same, and it\u0026#39;s skilled labor plus automation. So automation is definitely, I would say it\u0026#39;s 20% of it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut also making your staff really close to your customers has enormous savings. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, yeah, it\u0026#39;s fascinating times, Dan. I mean, if you\u0026#39;re thinking, I have really been thinking about if we are at a plateau. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, I think the I mean if it costs more for money, if it costs more for transportation, it costs more for energy and it costs more for labor, things are going to slow down. Yeah, and you know just that welding example I gave you of the 18 year old who can be making. I mean, somebody goes to you know university for four and learns a lot of theory and you know, is maybe 50 or $60,000 in debt at the end of four years. The person at 18 who became a welder is already buying their first house. You know they\u0026#39;re. You know Exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nLike think about how, when you take the, you know, when you take the net difference between them investing four years with no income and going into debt to get a degree that gets them an entry level job when they get out with that degree. And so you know that\u0026#39;s not compared to coming into a training program and making $60,000 and at the end of the four years making $100,000 and not having any debt. You\u0026#39;re so much further ahead on that foundation. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, yeah, I think there\u0026#39;s going to be an explosive growth of community colleges that are integrated with the local business, you know, the basic industrial population and everything else. I checked the numbers about two years, the number of community colleges in the US and these would be made. These would be mainly two year, two year community colleges, yeah, and there was just under just under a thousand and two things I think are going to happen. That number will probably jump to 2000 over the next 25 years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut even the thousand that exists will double their size. They\u0026#39;ll double their enrollment. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s interesting, and I wonder, though, if they\u0026#39;re you know, because they\u0026#39;re doing like yeah, I mean you have like George Brown and in Toronto, and you have there\u0026#39;s about, there\u0026#39;s probably about four community colleges. That would what do you call a community college in the United States? There are before them in the Toronto area and they\u0026#39;re at maximum. You know, they\u0026#39;re at maximum enrollment. As a matter of fact, they have waiting lists now to get in. Yeah, and that\u0026#39;s all skilled. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know it\u0026#39;s all skilled trades. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYou come out being able to you graduate on a Friday and you go to work on Monday. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThe employers come to the colleges and they interview all work interviews are in your while you\u0026#39;re at college. You\u0026#39;re getting interviewed and some of you you\u0026#39;re actually working at the place while you\u0026#39;re in college. And you know, and yeah so I think that whole notion. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIt doesn\u0026#39;t matter how much you\u0026#39;re working at the college. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIt doesn\u0026#39;t matter how much you spend on college, you\u0026#39;ll get paid, you know you\u0026#39;ll get paid in the future, you know you\u0026#39;ll get paid off easily in the future. I think that ended no 809 actually with the downturn there and I think that that was a huge interruption in the connection between higher education and future employment and I think that COVID put the nail in the coffin to that proposition. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, Well, yeah, I remember hearing Sheridan College, I guess is the one is yeah, share, yeah, and I remember they were. That was like the Sheridan animators were really in demand, that there was one of the places where you know Disney and others were Pixar were hiring. You know all the newly minted, you know digital animators that were coming out of that yeah. So I think that Ryerson has been another one of those. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, there\u0026#39;s a new Sound Studio, mostly post production. One of them is just building new studios in our building, but therefore they\u0026#39;re not. They\u0026#39;re not for live. You know, live production, their post production. So they have editing studios, but right behind us. So Fraser is the front street for us, but behind us is one called Pardee, which is basically a parking lot, and way at the end they have a live production studio, while ours will start being built in September and we\u0026#39;ll have it in about six months, based on all the great input by your guy there in Orlando. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYou know, we\u0026#39;ve designed it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWe can handle six different people at the same time, six different studios being used at the same time Great production. But next, you know, next March, next April. Yeah, you know, I\u0026#39;m gonna live a long time. What\u0026#39;s six months? You know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nRight, exactly, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnyway, but I went over and we did our recording of the quarterly book because you need real top-notch studio for a court to go audible and it was really great, but the guy who was handling us was a graduate from Sheridan College. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, I\u0026#39;m excited, I\u0026#39;m really. This is my thought, for I\u0026#39;m gonna do some thinking about, you know, establishing this thought. If we are in a plateau period. If we are in a slowdown, but in a plateau period of what is gonna be the you know what\u0026#39;s shaping up here to do that same thing. I love looking at things like this. We\u0026#39;re just gonna put it together Macro level, like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, I\u0026#39;m gonna do a little thinking to a four slowdowns. You know, money, energy, transportation, labor, and I\u0026#39;m just going to have our clients go through it and say, if this is the obstacle, then what\u0026#39;s the transformation? You? Know, and so, and how do you take advantage of the four slowdowns? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI think it\u0026#39;s a neat idea I do too, Absolutely. I can\u0026#39;t wait. I love it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, what a great way to spend the late morning on Sunday. I can\u0026#39;t think of any better way. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIt\u0026#39;s like the perfect and there\u0026#39;s no collection basket. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThere\u0026#39;s no collection basket, no collection basket. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nMaybe we should set some in, though without. Oh, there we go. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, Anyway, we could have. We could have a digital collection basket at the end. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThere we go. Yeah, exactly that\u0026#39;s so funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIf this was useful, just you know, put your card up there next to the scanner and yeah, that\u0026#39;s so good, I love it, no need to make change and no exactly, I\u0026#39;m good so funny, alrighty. I\u0026#39;m good for next Sunday I\u0026#39;ll be back here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nMe too, I wouldn\u0026#39;t miss it. Okay, okay, thanks, dan. Talk to you soon, bye, bye. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In this episode of Cloudlandia, I accompany you on a captivating time-travel adventure to the 1930s era. We explore the nascent media landscape and how the rise of radio and television began to connect the world.\r\n\r\nWe predict how elements like technology, energy, money and labor may redefine our world. We also shed light on 1950s industries like television advertising and iconic artists that profoundly shaped society. Join Dan and me for this enlightening discussion into the past, present, and what may lie ahead.","date_published":"2023-08-16T10:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/8c016657-9664-44f9-93f3-c83e370c6b0d.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":38381042,"duration_in_seconds":3195}]},{"id":"fae1fba8-ee05-4d95-b6c9-1144e4822015","title":"Ep104:The Impact of Urbanization: Toronto's Tale and Personal Growth","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/104","content_text":"In this episode of Cloudlandia, Prepare to embark on an enlightening journey as we traverse the diverse landscapes of Toronto, compare it to America's NFL cities, and reflect on how major 20th-century developments in the U.S., from the GI Bill to national television, continue to shape its geography and economy.\n\n\u0026amp;nbsp\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\nThe episode explores the diverse landscapes of Toronto, its vibrant neighborhoods and corporate ecosystem, and compares it to America's NFL cities.\nDean and Dan discuss the major 20th-century developments in the U.S., such as the GI Bill and national television, and their impact on geography and economy.\nThe episode highlights the potential future implications of the modern era of internet access and platform proliferation.\nThey delve into the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on urbanization and manufacturing, drawing lessons from Japan's strategic decisions to place factories close to their customers.\nThe podcast also touches on the repatriation of industry back to the U.S., and the financial implications of the Mason-Dixon line.\nValuable insights are shared on creating a fulfilling decade of life, emphasizing the importance of creativity, productivity, and physical health.\nThe \"Fast Filter\" tool is introduced to help listeners identify their top five strengths.\nThe discussion includes how to incorporate enjoyment into life in a meaningful way.\nThey reflect on the impact of defense of the French language on Montreal's dynamic spirit.\nLastly, the podcast explores the intricate web of connections between industry, geography, and societal change.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\n Dean Jackson\nWelcome to Cloudlandia. Is that the Mr Jackson who hangs out in that domain? \n\nDan Sulllivan\nThat is exactly right Ambassador of Clublandia. \n\nDean Jackson\nWriting possibility in Sunder. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nExactly right. \n\nDean Jackson\nIs the. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nCanadian ambassador to Clublandia. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, the main one. Yeah, we both are we both go both ways. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nThat is so funny, actually, because you are an American living in Canada becoming a Canadian, and I am a Canadian living in America, but I'm an actual dual citizen. \n\nDean Jackson\nDid you ever get a Canadian citizenship? Oh sure. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nBut you had to earn it right, 1985, something like that. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, I know it's been pushing 40 years and I've been a Canadian. Yeah, and it makes crossing back and forth across the border much easier. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nYeah, exactly, I look at that as one of my most wonderful uniqueness is being a natural born dual citizen through my mother and father, so having it every way possible. Being born to a US father and a Canadian mother on a US Air Force base in Canada, so it's like talk about the triple play there. It's every way you can have it, I've got it. I look at that as a really unique asset. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, and having listened to that, I have you on duration in Canada. That's probably true. Yeah, this is my 52nd year that I've been living in Canada. Okay, okay. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nConsequently yeah consecutively. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, I've been here. I came in 71 in June, so it's 53rd year that I'm in the 53rd year. And I came up for a job offer with big ad agency and I said why not? I put in a couple of years, see what it's like. And here I am. You fell in love with it. It's funny, you know we find places that suit us. Yeah, that is true. People say why do you live where you live? And I said it suits me. You know Toronto kind of lets you alone. You know, as a big city and the metropolitan area, the GTA greater Toronto area, is 6.6 million and a lot going on. 60% of the people who live in that GTA were not born in Canada. They were born someplace else. \n\nAnd so yeah, majority of people, including myself, we were born someplace else, so it doesn't have the fervor of some other cities. You know where there's a civic spirit? I don't really detect a civic spirit in Toronto. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nThere's something. But I think it has to do with. \n\nDean Jackson\nI think it has to do something with uniquely different neighborhoods that make up Toronto. You know, that they have character. Like I, live in an area called the beaches. There's a contention whether it's called the beach or the beaches, but I come down on the side of the beaches and it's like a close to side. It's like a small New England, you know, seaside town and it's got its own. It has a lot of different things going on during the year parades and parties and festivals and so it's got a nice quality to it. \n\nYou know boardwalk along Lake Ontario. So it takes us, you know, and that's about a two mile boardwalk which is very nice to walk on, and then two minutes the other way puts us into a neighborhood storage district you know, you know you're a residential, but you have stores, and then you have the water and there's lots of parks there. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nAnd you walk all the way to. Can you walk all the way to Harborfront along the path? I don't know if you. \n\nDean Jackson\nI don't know if you, I don't know if you would walk. I mean, it's a bicycle. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nThat's already a bicycle, but it's there. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, but it's got. Yeah, well, it goes for. It goes for long ways. It goes all the way to Niagara Falls. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nActually, that's what I wondered Is it unbroken? Yeah, like there's a trail or a path. Yeah, it's. \n\nDean Jackson\nIt's temporarily broken because they're all the area which is called the dock lands, which is that big and starts in. Cherry Street. It's between Cherry and Leslie and that's south of Lakeshore where big factories, cement factories and everything. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nYeah, sugar there's a well. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's further along. That's almost a red pass. It's almost downtown. Now I'm saying that the real estate that they have their sugar factory on is probably worth more than all the sugar they've ever sold. I bet Holy cow yeah. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nYeah. \n\nDean Jackson\nAnd yeah, so it's. It's a nice city. I mean, it's a new city, you know, compared to, you know, new York or one of the other cities which go back to the 1600s. Toronto really just kind of starts in the late 1800s and so it's, and I am told, kind of a boring place. Montreal was the key exciting city in Canada up until the 70s and then it sharply changed because they put in the language laws the, you know, the French, defending the French language, and yeah, it doesn't make for a dynamic doesn't make. \n\nDefense never makes for a dynamic spirit. You know defense is not an entertaining activity. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nOh right. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, you don't find defenders telling jokes, you know they're short on sense of humor. So, anyway, so anyway. But Toronto, all the big corporations that had their headquarters in Montreal quickly moved them to Toronto and it became the key thing. Yeah, it's a major city. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nYeah, I've been working, you know, on in my mind here I was looking at some projects that I'm working on that we're going to roll out. This was with a client and we're looking at rolling out in what I've identified as NFL cities, basically, like every, when you look at it, that there's, you know, 30, you know NFL cities and they all have they're all these metro areas basically the GTA I wonder, you know, having grown up, my only experience is having my childhood be filtered through the lens of the GTA. \n\nSo there's all that, what all that means? The Canadian and the specifically the Toronto sort of you know environment, everything was around you know the Toronto newspapers, the Toronto radio, you know your out. Your look to the world was CDC through, yeah, through that, and I imagine you know same thing in Canada, if we take you know NHL cities or CFL cities that you know the GTA has a different vibe than Ottawa and Montreal, and then they do have to Calgary and Regina. \n\nYeah, all those things, yeah, and I wonder now, like what? How is this shifting? Is it relevant now in for Generation Z on the cover of Wired magazine this month as a Gen Z theme for the whole magazine? And you know there's such a big generation I mean there's 72 million of them, which is kind of funny. They're bigger than Baby Boomers and bigger than Generation X and the millennials but I wonder you know they've been grown into a Cloudlandia first world. Yeah, that really their primary world is Cloudlandia and it's almost like the thing, the importance or interaction or sense of identity or community that shapes as you kind of grew up in that thing. \n\nDo you think that's as relevant or do you think it makes any difference? Now, like you had the opportunity you kind of grew up in, if we take an NFL city kind of orbit or satellite, you grew up what would have been in the Cleveland the Browns. \n\nDean Jackson\nThe Browns, the Browns right. Your whole that's kind of like your satellite or orbit of Cleveland as the big city kind of thing, yeah and yeah, and that was sort of a real treat because I grew up on a farm 60 miles west of Cleveland and it was always a big treat when you got, we got to go downtown, you know to downtown Cleveland. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nAnd. \n\nDean Jackson\nCleveland was a hopping place. I mean, I was born in the 40s and Cleveland was probably the fifth biggest American city then and a lot of wealth there. The Rockefellers are from Cleveland. And yeah, I mean, and, but then there was the Western movement, you know. But the world war. \n\nSecond world war changed, really changed a lot of things. I always say there's four things that happened in the 40s and 50s that really changed the geography of the United States as far as what you thought of as places to go. And the first one was the GI Bill. You had 16 million people who got the GI Bill and that gave them really cheap education, really cheap, really cheap home loans, and so you had a lot of blue color people who would never go to education beyond high school and suddenly the universities were filled with these veterans who came back and when they got their degree, first of all they went away. They didn't do it in their home village, hometown or the you know the neighborhood in the city. They went away someplace, to the university. They had four years away. They had already been away for three years, three or four years with the service, but with the education being cheap, and then also the home loans. They didn't go back to where they came from. And then that coincided with the interstate highway system. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nYou asked for the interstate. \n\nDean Jackson\nRight and the suburbs, yeah, yeah, and the suburbs and the interstate highway system. So inner city people moved to the suburbs or they moved to another city and about all the westward growth was towards California, you know, was towards the south Texas, oklahoma, arizona, and so you had that. And then you had air conditioning, and then air conditioning made it possible to have business in really hot places. You know, you could, you could have factories, you could have you could have plants with air conditioning and so that's. \n\nand the other thing is I don't include it in my for, but generally these new places were very resistant to unions. Labor union were mainly in the biggest established cities in the east and in the north, but when they got to the south and west they were were not union states. They came much later and so you could pay wages. You know that the unions would not have agreed to, but they with unions weren't there. \n\nAnd then I think it was the fourth one. So we had the GI bill, we had the highway system, we had air conditioning and the fourth one was national TV and that came at 50. So you had the three you had the three networks and they were basically competing for the same audience, competing with the same themes, competing, you know, with the same kind of programming, and I think that totally changed the character of the United States from what it had been Before the Second World War, I think those four things, yeah, I mean you could add everybody would have something else to add to that, but it'd be hard to find four things more central than those four. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nYes, I think, and that's so all of those, and even you know, then the yeah that sense of everybody having the same experience. I think the kids now I think you think like if we were to take that, because some of those are infrastructure things right. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat you were, that you're talking about. Well, almost all four of them are infrastructure of one kind or another Communications infrastructure, transportation infrastructure, educational infrastructure. And then you know the air conditioning is. I don't know. That would fall under a technological infrastructure. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nYeah, I mean I wonder you know we're in if you take these and kind of like overlay, that's all you know circa right around 1950, all of that in place now that if we take this to today, you know, and I think when you really think about the Gen C, you know 1996 to 2010,. Those kids you know, the oldest of them now are in the workforce and in the early 20s, so it's. \n\nBut they grew up with an infrastructure that the internet was already established and then the modern internet by the time they were, you know, teenagers, the modern internet, everything was in place and I still think about the. You know that all lives were kind of on that in terms of, you know, youtube, facebook, instagram, now Twitter, and then I don't know whether you've been following threads just got released which is Facebook's sort of Twitter competitor. \n\nDean Jackson\nAnd it was the fastest. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nIt's the fastest thing to go to 100 million users. They went to 100 million users in five days, right. \n\nDean Jackson\nAnd that's kind of a you know, but I guess they were the same customers. That's what I mean when you start with. You start with. They were Instagram customers who just added another channel. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nYou just start with a billion already and you've got yeah yeah, now you're at 100 million, but those things it's almost like the. I start to see that all of those main platforms tend to now, you know, sort of mimic each other in that you know, whatever, whatever, anybody starts to take a lead everybody oh yeah, we've got that too. \n\nSo you know TikTok with the short form, endless scrolling videos. You know, between TikTok Reels, youtube Shorts and Instagram stories, you can't really tell which one you're on. It's all that same thing. And I think that when you look at what Threads is trying to do with Twitter because Twitter was kind of unique in a way that it was the 140 character, mostly words and comments, commentary, discussion type of thing the others haven't really yeah. \n\nDean Jackson\nI would say there's a big fundamental change that is happening right now that probably it will give the newest generation a completely different future, and that is the notion of a global economy is disappearing. Ten years from now, there won't be a global economy and it's already starting to break apart, and that's a function of geopolitical change that is fundamentally different than anything that happened since 1945. \n\nYou go to conferences and you listen we're going all global. At a certain point we will change over where there's a single global government and borders don't really matter and everything else. That was a bad guess and that was a bad bet. That whole thing was disappearing because it was basically with the agreement of one very powerful country. That would be true. That country has changed its mind. But the other thing is that there's a much better prediction that can be made that a lot of the generation Z won't go to university. They won't go to college because the money is going to be in the trades again. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nYeah, and that's what I wonder if the? What I've been wondering about now is what is the relevance of these little You're kind of NFL cities, your MSA cultures kind of thing. I was only had the Canadian experience, but I imagine people who grew up if you live in Chicago, that's got a different vibe than living in Detroit or in Cleveland or in St Louis or Charlotte, north Carolina, all these things. I wonder what the role of these is kind of in the next 25 years, is it? We're coming back? I always remember I don't remember the exact way that you said it, but you talked about the dueling furniture stores or the best furniture store on the street or the best furniture store in town in the state, in the glow in the world that was right back around to the best one. \n\nDean Jackson\nThe best one on the street. Yeah, I haven't really given much thought to that. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nI don't really know. \n\nDean Jackson\nBut there's an interesting thing with Chicago the Bears, who have been the most downtown of the sports franchise. The White Sox baseball team is on the south side and the Wrigley Field. The Cubs are kind of going towards the wealthy sections, the North Shore, evanston, sort of moving towards Evanston and Lake Forest and those really wealthy cities. But the Bears were right downtown. They were right on the Soldier Field, which is right near the lake. They're leaving. \n\nThey're going to go out to one of the Northwestern suburbs which is Evanston which one of them, but they'll be easily 25 miles from downtown the basketball team, and I don't think they're in the center city. The basketball and the hockey team I don't think they're center city, but they're losing population. I mean Chicago's downtown is losing. \n\nAs a matter of fact, I think Toronto's inner city now is bigger than Chicago's inner city, chicago's suburbs are bigger than Toronto and my sense is that the need to be in the most densely part of the city for business reasons has lost its force. And I think that COVID I have a huge impact on that, where people who normally commuted downtown spend a couple of years not commuting downtown and I think they had a chance to figure out maybe there's a different way of my work future than going downtown. Yeah, so I think that COVID, as we go along, as I came with, covid will be seeing year by year as we get further away from had a profound sociological. \n\nI think it had a profound economic impact on people where they started planning out a different future that did not include every day, an hour into the city, every night, an hour out. They got those two hours back and they're kind of choosy and picky about whether they want to spend their whole future that way. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nYeah, exactly Like that was so normal. I look at growing up in Georgetown and Houghton Hills that was like a normal. Almost everybody in Georgetown commuted. \n\nDean Jackson\nTo go train an hour. That's exactly right. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nAnd that was like just a normal, that's just a normal thing, or at the very least they drove to Mississauga or 30 minutes somewhere, Not a lot of indisputable. \n\nDean Jackson\nSo I think that every year the effect of those two lockdown years will be more pronounced. I think it won't go the other way. They say you know, we'll get past COVID and we'll go back to things the way they were. I don't think that's going to happen. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nYeah, I agree. \n\nDean Jackson\nThe other big thing is the repatriation of industry and manufacturing back to and I'm talking about the states here, and the US has gone through greater industrial and manufacturing growth in the last three years than it did during the three main years of the Second World War, which was, I mean, it was out of sight how much manufacturing they did. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nAnd the industrial plant. \n\nDean Jackson\nBut it's not coming back to the East Coast any of the you know not the old, established New England. It's not going to the Great Lakes states. You know Chicago, buffalo, cleveland, detroit, chicago. You know it's going to places where they have Really cheap land and you can build new TSMC, which is the highest level chip makers in the world from Taiwan. They're just completing a 20,000 empoi chip factory just north of Phoenix. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nYeah, and that's the one that they're going to power with the small nuclear. \n\nDean Jackson\nWell, I'm not sure, that's true. I was just talking to Mike Wanderl and it seems to me that a project like that would be a really good use of your new thing. No. I think they're using their own generators, but they're not nuclear generators. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nMaybe it was solar that I thought. Do you remember something that they were going to make it? \n\nDean Jackson\nNo, it's not solar. Well, they would use solar for part of it, because they've got a pretty steady sun all year round, but anyway, I don't really know the ins and outs of it. I was just thinking that TSMC, on Taiwan and 100 miles from China, decided that 8,000 miles from China was better. Right, that's funny, and I think the other thing that you're going to see is the Japan set a model about 30 years ago, so Japan was going to take over the world, and then they didn't take over the world. \n\nAnd so remember, in the 1980s we go to movies and that would be about how smart the Japanese were and how stupid the Americans were. And we'd be taking orders from the Japanese. \n\nWell, they hit a wall at the end of the 80s and they've been essentially flat economically for the last 36 years. But what they did is they made a very strategic decision. This is companies like Toyota. They made a strategic decision that they have such a falling population. They had the fastest collapsing population in human history up until the Chinese. The Chinese now are losing population faster than any country in history. But what the Japanese sort of at the government level and at the investment level and the actual industrial level made a decision that from now on they would have their factories where their customers were and most of the customers were. \n\nAnd then other I mean the top level customers who were right for the price here items, and so they have moved a large portion of their industrial base to mostly the south of the United States, south Carolina, alabama. Mississippi you know, tennessee, kentucky, but below the Mason-Dixon line, if you know, if you yeah that was the division between, essentially between, the Union and the Confederates. So all the factories are going to the former Confederate States during the Civil War. \n\nAnd and. But they said they voluntarily did that. I mean well, voluntarily is that they were constrained and they said that if we're going to have future and then the money, you know a portion of the money comes back to Japan, but they're higher American. They're hiring, the people who run the factories are American, the people who work in the factories are American and you know they pay taxes in the states and to the country. But my sense is that as we go forward over the next 10 years, there will be a tariff for other countries to sell into the United States. There will be tariffs unless you move your factory to the United States. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nYeah, wow, this is, yeah, this is what I wonder now. It's like almost like the, it's almost like the wave kind of thing that the waves are shifting back into you know more. An inward, an inward shift here. \n\nDean Jackson\nWell, I think I think yeah, I think the central thinking here is we want the supply chains to be guaranteed. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nYes, and that makes it if it's all in the fall. \n\nDean Jackson\nMexico, the United States, canada, it's all you know. All the rail lines are there, all the highways are there, you know, and they're not enemies of each other. And you know when the when the Canadians nationalized pot. You know marijuana, you knew there wasn't going to be any invasion by Canada and to the United States. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nOh, that's so funny. Yeah, yeah, that is funny. \n\nDean Jackson\nFor those of you you know know something about the United States and Canada. That was a joke, I just told you. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nYeah, I love that. My favorite Canadians. \n\nDean Jackson\nPlacid Canadians got more placid. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nYeah exactly. That's so funny this was. I did hear a comedian talking about the how our friendly neighbors to the north, the Canadians, are just so chill. He's a, let's face it. Our salvation army could kick their butt. \n\nDean Jackson\nWell here's what they just had NATO exercises Canada's part of NATO and they don't have enough working equipment that they could participate. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nWow, that's something, isn't it? Well, there you go. \n\nDean Jackson\nNo, I mean probably you know I mean looking at it from Canadian standpoint. I kind of understand it because nothing's going to happen in Canada that would in any way be seen as a threat to the United States and the American military would be all over it. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nOh absolutely yeah, but talk about one of the best, like just that's why, that's why I look at my Canadian citizenship as a gift. You know, I look at it as something that's very rare and you know, you just look at it's why Canada is always amongst the top places to live in the world. You know, yeah, it's just got so much, so much going for it. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, I mean this started with Generation Z conversation you know, yeah, started, you know, really started. You know we experienced growing up where we were in one way. But I suspect that somebody who was born in the late end of the 90s and is in their 20s and you know their take on the world would be radically different from what our take was. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nThat's. What I'm saying is that it feels like they wouldn't have that same sense of identity or association with their click. You know with that they were, because I think it was. It's less and less relevant in your daily life. \n\nDean Jackson\nSo the chances are that, first of all, that you would, for example, have to go in the military. I mean, I was born in the 40s, and when I got to the 60s and the Vietnam War started and I got my draft notice, I didn't give it a thought. Well, you know, I had one, two, three. I had three older brothers who had already served, I mean, they volunteered and mine was conscription. \n\nI never gave it a thought because all the growing up, all the adults I talked to, had been in the military, so it didn't seem like yeah it was kind of like a tax. You know, it was two years of your life and it was kind of like a tax, but you know and there was no thought. \n\nBut then you had the anti-war period during this. But I was already back from the military when that all started and you know I didn't really pay any attention to it. I mean, it wasn't, it didn't concern me at all. And you know and you didn't get into discussions going through college that you had been in the military. You know it wasn't, it wasn't a popular topic. Right yeah so yeah, I think that's where the sharp change happened. I think it was the late 60s anti-war protests and then yeah a lot of protests. \n\nI remember Little Abner it was a cartoon series Little Abner, al Cap and he had he was reflecting. In the late 60s, a protest group called SWINE it was the acronym was SWINE Students. Wow, they indignant about nearly everything. That's true, that's great, and they run the country. Now they're in their 60s and 70s. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nWell, the size of the, the size of the SWINE. You know, army now is huge because it can be collective on the internet, cancel culture. \n\nDean Jackson\nWell, and what we call woke used to be called yeah, no, I mean the. I'd say there's a you can chase, you can easily track the genealogy, the ideological genealogy of the present woke population and it. But it started with the swine population in the 1960s, you know. But students wildly indignant about nearly everything, yeah. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nI think that's something you know. That's so great. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, yeah Well you know I mean, if you're not creative. Opposition gives you a lot of focus and identity. Being against something can give you a lot of energy. You know, and yeah, but it doesn't get you a high paycheck. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nYeah, this is. Yeah, I wonder now the whole, this whole like notion of Work and what, how that's going to shape this generation? I haven't gotten to that part in the in the magazine. Yeah yeah, but I mean it certainly. You know there's a different level of Apparently. \n\nDean Jackson\nThey're saying that we're, that it is a very entrepreneurial group which is well, there as far as I mean Just by observation, because we have I would say we certainly have 20 of our Team members out of 130. Might be more than that I have encountered, but they seem like worker bees to me. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nOkay, interesting. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, they work real hard, they work real hard, they, you know they show up on time, they do what they say they're going to do, they finish what they start and they play. They say please and thank you, and you know, and so I have a very positive take on those individuals who we've hired, you know, and I mean we have. \n\nThere's five steps to get higher-deck coach. So there's a filtering and a screening that goes on. Yeah, it was one thing that we had a lot of millennials, for you know we had a lot of one. Yeah, some lot of them are still with us and I asked the person most in charge of hiring For a coach. \n\nI said is there anything you're doing different with these people? Because I don't see, I don't detect any of the attitudes that are supposedly Millennial attitudes. And she said well, we have one more question we asked them and I said and it's if you come to work as strategic coach, what do you think you're entitled to? \n\nDan Sulllivan\nand if they answer the question. \n\nDean Jackson\nThey're gone. So funny. I like that if they even know what the word entitled means. Yeah, they disqualified, they disqualified themselves. Yeah, oh that's funny. Yeah. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nWell, I didn't. I didn't ask you, dan, but how did free-thone go this week? I know everybody was in Gathered in Chicago. \n\nDean Jackson\nWell, I had one of my periodic last-minute creative changes, where what was the planned out workshop on Friday was completely changed on Monday. Okay, okay, and what I did was I just got a feel for it that something More is needed, and also, we had a guest speaker. For the first time, we had a guest speaker and we had. Andre Norman. We had Andre Norman come in. \n\nAnd I gave Andre script in the term in the form of a fast filter and I said Andre, we're just going to talk about and we're going to divide your life into three parts. When you were a gang leader in Boston you're the boss. And when you got into Prison, and you were the prison boss. And now you're out and collaborating with Joe Polish and you do crisis Intervention with individuals and groups across the country. But you're the boss of doing that and I like you just to walk us through your three entrepreneurial stages and, looking back, things you might have done differently now from your. You know, from the. You know the advantage of backward perspective. What would you have done differently? But we had to tick to. \n\nWe had two videos and there was about a Two-minute tick tock where he's just telling the story about how he went through five guard stations and got into the kitchen to ask for a hamburger and a cheese, a cheeseburger, and was confronted by the warden, and then let the warden know who actually ran the prison and and that he had no issue getting through five gates and getting into the kitchen, but the Warden was being an issue, and that the warden had a choice of how he was going to handle this and the warden at the end goes over and says give him a second cheeseburger. \n\nI make him do yeah, exactly and then at the end it was just the the trailer for the movie that's been made on Andre. So we that was sort of neat. One was about two minutes, the other one was about two minutes at the end, but it was a terrific hour, so that that that was a special event in the workshop. \n\nBut what I did was I drew a diagram and it's an upward arrow, you know, goes up, and it's broken down into eight arrows and there are the decades of my life. So next year I complete my eighth decade eighth arrow and I just observed that my Creativity and productivity since I was 70 was greater than the 70 previous years I've created and produced more in the last ten years. \n\nSo I had them all do that. They had to draw it out. I just drew it on the whiteboard and and then you lay down, you know everything. But just under the category of creativity and productivity, and that I had, I bet I had ten people at the end of the First hour because they just drew it out and then they went into breakout groups and then we had the general Discussion, let's say the first hour and a half. They said we could go home right now. This was worth the trip, and I said, well, that's good. And I had a prepared sheet which said what their best ever decade was going to be ahead. So mine was a bit easy because I'm going to be right at the end of a calendar decade, my chronological. Not a calendar decade, but my chronological. \n\nSo I'll be 80 next May and so it'll be 80 to 90, it'll be 20, 24, 20, 20, 23. I says, now, choose that one. And I said you may have it start right away, you may have it start in a couple of years, you know, but you're going to now start them too. \n\nYeah, start creating the decade. That will be your best ever. But you've seen what you've done with the best one in the past and we did that. But we're going to drag, break it into two parts. One of them is Creativity times, productivity. That'll be one side and the other side will be fitness times, health. Because I said, you know, and right now, at 80, most they get some people born in 19 in the United States, people born in 1944, 61% of them are dead, 61 and so. So you know, you got to put a bigger emphasis on your physical energy. And so I said and you won't plan for something bigger in the future if you're not in great shape, and you will not plan for greater shape in the future if you're not becoming more Creative and productive. And this was a huge, this is a huge new, a new time tool, a new time tool. And it went. \n\nIt was the whole day just that thing, yeah, we just, and then they picked three things that were most important and then they did a triple play on it. So I think we had about we had about three breakout groups and then general discussions and we had a party the night before house and on the Monday, where you have the 10 times workshop, is just free zone people in that 10 times. \n\nThere's no, nobody else in the 10 times and that really worked. And then there were people who were going to do their 10 times the day after Free zone and I had. We had another party at our house that night, and that's 10 times a week of parties. Yeah, but it's all. You know. All the success and achievement Is strictly for the parties. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nThat's exactly right. I like that. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, and being Having a seven in your print, you would appreciate parties. Yes, exactly, I love it. They're happy. Yeah, enjoying life and having fun. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nYeah, I love that. Well, I'm a guy, so we're gonna go through that same thing on you so you'll do that on. \n\nDean Jackson\nYou'll do that on the zoom yeah. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nI like it. That's next week I think that's next week. \n\nDean Jackson\nI think that's next week, is that next? Week no it's this week. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nThis week, I think one of these guys. \n\nDean Jackson\nIt has to be this week because we're at the cottage for two weeks. Oh yeah, there you go. I think it's the starting next week, yeah, but it went really well. Yeah, yeah yeah, so, yeah so anyway, that's, that's my story, and I'm sticking to it now Did? \n\nDan Sulllivan\nI saw in one of the I got the prep package and stuff and I saw something that made my pupils dilate and I think it was some indication of some free zone Expansion into Toronto. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, what we want to do because it's getting big. Now we have 91 in free zone and so we want to add another available workshop day during the quarter and there's been a growing interest from people in Canada who would do it if it were in Toronto, and so we've looked at the date. It'll start in early. It'll start in early 24, 2024 and but there has to be enough interest that we would have a good size, and by good size We'd have more than 20 people there either new or existing and and but To say the other bother of going to Chicago, we're still going to charge you an American dollars. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nRight on. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, so it's great we're not having that deeper one. Yeah, though. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nThis is great. I think it's so nice to see it expanding. I mean, the Our group in in Palm Beach was really something. I mean it's really a great energy. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, and next year the summits back in Palm Beach too. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nI like that yeah. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, we have, well, the four seasons. You there's. You know, there's nothing you have to Think about with the four seasons right you know I mean very instant response and anything you want. That's great yeah man, we're going to have our first big global conference in Nashville Next year and it gets in May, first week of May, so be today, and it's everybody who's involved and we'll have out clients come. So we're shooting for probably 1500 1600 people and we're going to break out sessions and this is a global overall strategic coach yeah. \n\nYeah, so people come from overseas for it, but yes, you know, a lot of it is mingling and you know, and yeah whining and dining and everything but and I have nothing to do with this I was told it was going to happen, so you know you're just relaying the news. Yeah. \n\nI'm usually the last one to know. And and yeah, and people say boy, how do you find time for all this stuff? And they support what stuff? And they said well, you know moving the other coaches up to ten times. I said that was 15 minutes on my part to do the whole. I simply announced that after 2023 I wasn't going to do anymore. After 2022 I wasn't going to do any more Workshops. Right, well, how we gonna? Huh, I said my security clearance is not high enough to be involved. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nOh, yeah, we're nothing but rave reviews for Chad. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, chad, that was really good. Yeah, and in fairness to you know, in fairness to you know someone else, they had to split their tension between free zone and ten times people on the same day and that stuff and but Chad just got the pure, the purebred lambs. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nOh man, that's so funny. The purebred yeah, the Mayflower yeah that is funny. Well, I you know what feel I feel good about is. I have been. I was the Mayflower of the ten times. Oh yeah made me voyage and Mayflower of free zone. That's funny. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah. Yeah well, you know it, you know, I mean there's. You know. See, my whole approach is that you don't know how good your team is and you don't know how good the program is Until you're not involved in any of it. Yeah, yeah, so it's. Why don't the people say, well, all this free time? And I say they said don't you worry about the company. And I says, actually it's on my free days. Then I find out how good my company is or as a result of my free days. \n\nThey can't phone us. We don't phone them or zoom them, we don't, and they have to sort things out on their own. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nAnd that's and they do they do when they grow, did you? How many days did you who up with the? You know, letting Without doing the ten times? \n\nDean Jackson\nprepping workshops in about 60 days yeah. Yeah, and then you've already. Some of those with oh yeah, I'm Programs Less. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nActive. I don't think I'm any right. \n\nDean Jackson\nI'm just doing different things, but the big one for the last five years and on Tuesday will be five years Was the no television for five years and I got back about four thousand hours Over the five year, about 800 hours. So you know, I Truthfully I kind of worked like ten hour days when I'm working, so that was 880 years and 880 days a year and then I got about of work time and then I got 60. \n\nSo the big, I had a big return of Days available for doing new things, and you know. So it's that stuff works, you know. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nYeah, absolutely Well, I've been really enjoying and expanding on my adventures in Dean Landia. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nLet's screen time, more team time. I'll tell you there is so much yeah, there's so much more compelling things going on in Dean Landia than in Netflix or on YouTube or, you know, tiktok, any of those things that take up all that. \n\nDean Jackson\nwell, you can be more of a coin you can be. More of a cone is, sir you know. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nBut you know, I mean. \n\nDean Jackson\nI watch YouTube, but basically half of it is just watching Peter Zion's latest take on something, and that's Never more than about seven or eight minutes and but you begin to realize, you know that if you're truly a An entrepreneur who's expanding freedom, time, money, relationship and purpose Is that there's a lot going on the world that doesn't, or should shouldn't, really concern you. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nYeah, I think that's really the thing of being able to know that this you can let go of a lot of them, right? That's really I think that when you, when you really come to the fact that there's no way to keep up with it, there's no like all the content that's out there, it's kind of like you're saying about swimming in the ocean you know you miss a lot of it, but you really you know it was. As long as you get a good swim and that's all. Yeah, yeah, but the other thing is. \n\nDean Jackson\nPeople say, well, how do you keep up with the world? And I said, if I knew what the world was, maybe I would have an answer. \n\nBut I says our world is basically a measurable number of Relationships that you have, you know. You know, I mean people say, what do you think about what's going on in Africa? And I said, well, not very much. And I mean I don't really think about it that much. And because I've got some clients I have a client clients in Botswana, I've got clients in Ghana. You know there's some clients there and we interact and I know about them. But Africa itself not really much. \n\nAnd but people, I think what's happened over the last 40 years? We've had a sizable number of people who went to college with the and came out of the college with the Mission of changing the world. Yeah, but they don't know how to change the tire, you know. So they have theoretical, this theoretical sort of vision, but they don't really have any practical skills. And, and I think, as the world becomes less united and less Interconnected which I see happening already and it's going to happen more so over the next 20 years it strikes me that people will become more practical in their focus and they'll be more local. I'm not local in the sense that they're dealing with real relationships and they're creating things and producing things with real relationships. \n\nAnd they're not buying into a lot of fantasies about what's going on in the world and that this is generation Z. I mean we started with this Topic, but I think they're going to turn out to be more practical than the two or three generations ahead of them. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nYeah, and they're much more there. You know they're technically fluent. I mean that's certainly a thing that they're. I think, especially now the younger ones that are going to you know they're going to grow up with their Chat GPT sidekick, you know, always available to them. I think it's going to be amazing. \n\nDean Jackson\nI think it's, yeah, I think it's. There's some changes in the wind, uh-huh. Anyway, got a jump, oh, by the way always fun as a pick up on a previous thing, I checked with Julia Waller about the strength finder and we do not have your numbers. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nShe sent me an email. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it today. Actually, I'm gonna Okay, yeah, good the test, but I'm just gonna send you. \n\nDean Jackson\nI have it on a draft and I'll just punch the button and you know. The thing is that you take your top five strength finders and you plop them into the fast filter. Perfect, the fast filter has five success criteria. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nYeah, I'm gonna just put down whatever your five are yeah and yeah it's gotta, it's got a neat outcome. \n\nDean Jackson\nWhen you do that, I like it. I can't wait. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nWell, I will. Okay, back are we, are we next? \n\nDean Jackson\nweek, next week, and then I won't at the cottage, I'm just gonna cottage, I'm just gonna cottage things. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nOkay, great, so no podcast next week. Okay. \n\nDean Jackson\nNo, next week we have it. \n\nDan Sulllivan\nI haven't left next week I'm here on Sunday, so would okay yeah yeah, if you would be so inclined. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, of course, always. Okay, okay, okay, then, okay, bye, okay, bye, bye. 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Is that the Mr Jackson who hangs out in that domain? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat is exactly right Ambassador of Clublandia. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWriting possibility in Sunder. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nExactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIs the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nCanadian ambassador to Clublandia. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, the main one. Yeah, we both are we both go both ways. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat is so funny, actually, because you are an American living in Canada becoming a Canadian, and I am a Canadian living in America, but I\u0026#39;m an actual dual citizen. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nDid you ever get a Canadian citizenship? Oh sure. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBut you had to earn it right, 1985, something like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, I know it\u0026#39;s been pushing 40 years and I\u0026#39;ve been a Canadian. Yeah, and it makes crossing back and forth across the border much easier. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, exactly, I look at that as one of my most wonderful uniqueness is being a natural born dual citizen through my mother and father, so having it every way possible. Being born to a US father and a Canadian mother on a US Air Force base in Canada, so it\u0026#39;s like talk about the triple play there. It\u0026#39;s every way you can have it, I\u0026#39;ve got it. I look at that as a really unique asset. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, and having listened to that, I have you on duration in Canada. That\u0026#39;s probably true. Yeah, this is my 52nd year that I\u0026#39;ve been living in Canada. Okay, okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nConsequently yeah consecutively. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, I\u0026#39;ve been here. I came in 71 in June, so it\u0026#39;s 53rd year that I\u0026#39;m in the 53rd year. And I came up for a job offer with big ad agency and I said why not? I put in a couple of years, see what it\u0026#39;s like. And here I am. You fell in love with it. It\u0026#39;s funny, you know we find places that suit us. Yeah, that is true. People say why do you live where you live? And I said it suits me. You know Toronto kind of lets you alone. You know, as a big city and the metropolitan area, the GTA greater Toronto area, is 6.6 million and a lot going on. 60% of the people who live in that GTA were not born in Canada. They were born someplace else. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd so yeah, majority of people, including myself, we were born someplace else, so it doesn\u0026#39;t have the fervor of some other cities. You know where there\u0026#39;s a civic spirit? I don\u0026#39;t really detect a civic spirit in Toronto. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThere\u0026#39;s something. But I think it has to do with. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI think it has to do something with uniquely different neighborhoods that make up Toronto. You know, that they have character. Like I, live in an area called the beaches. There\u0026#39;s a contention whether it\u0026#39;s called the beach or the beaches, but I come down on the side of the beaches and it\u0026#39;s like a close to side. It\u0026#39;s like a small New England, you know, seaside town and it\u0026#39;s got its own. It has a lot of different things going on during the year parades and parties and festivals and so it\u0026#39;s got a nice quality to it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know boardwalk along Lake Ontario. So it takes us, you know, and that\u0026#39;s about a two mile boardwalk which is very nice to walk on, and then two minutes the other way puts us into a neighborhood storage district you know, you know you\u0026#39;re a residential, but you have stores, and then you have the water and there\u0026#39;s lots of parks there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd you walk all the way to. Can you walk all the way to Harborfront along the path? I don\u0026#39;t know if you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI don\u0026#39;t know if you, I don\u0026#39;t know if you would walk. I mean, it\u0026#39;s a bicycle. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s already a bicycle, but it\u0026#39;s there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, but it\u0026#39;s got. Yeah, well, it goes for. It goes for long ways. It goes all the way to Niagara Falls. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nActually, that\u0026#39;s what I wondered Is it unbroken? Yeah, like there\u0026#39;s a trail or a path. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIt\u0026#39;s temporarily broken because they\u0026#39;re all the area which is called the dock lands, which is that big and starts in. Cherry Street. It\u0026#39;s between Cherry and Leslie and that\u0026#39;s south of Lakeshore where big factories, cement factories and everything. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, sugar there\u0026#39;s a well. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s further along. That\u0026#39;s almost a red pass. It\u0026#39;s almost downtown. Now I\u0026#39;m saying that the real estate that they have their sugar factory on is probably worth more than all the sugar they\u0026#39;ve ever sold. I bet Holy cow yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd yeah, so it\u0026#39;s. It\u0026#39;s a nice city. I mean, it\u0026#39;s a new city, you know, compared to, you know, new York or one of the other cities which go back to the 1600s. Toronto really just kind of starts in the late 1800s and so it\u0026#39;s, and I am told, kind of a boring place. Montreal was the key exciting city in Canada up until the 70s and then it sharply changed because they put in the language laws the, you know, the French, defending the French language, and yeah, it doesn\u0026#39;t make for a dynamic doesn\u0026#39;t make. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eDefense never makes for a dynamic spirit. You know defense is not an entertaining activity. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOh right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, you don\u0026#39;t find defenders telling jokes, you know they\u0026#39;re short on sense of humor. So, anyway, so anyway. But Toronto, all the big corporations that had their headquarters in Montreal quickly moved them to Toronto and it became the key thing. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s a major city. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, I\u0026#39;ve been working, you know, on in my mind here I was looking at some projects that I\u0026#39;m working on that we\u0026#39;re going to roll out. This was with a client and we\u0026#39;re looking at rolling out in what I\u0026#39;ve identified as NFL cities, basically, like every, when you look at it, that there\u0026#39;s, you know, 30, you know NFL cities and they all have they\u0026#39;re all these metro areas basically the GTA I wonder, you know, having grown up, my only experience is having my childhood be filtered through the lens of the GTA. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo there\u0026#39;s all that, what all that means? The Canadian and the specifically the Toronto sort of you know environment, everything was around you know the Toronto newspapers, the Toronto radio, you know your out. Your look to the world was CDC through, yeah, through that, and I imagine you know same thing in Canada, if we take you know NHL cities or CFL cities that you know the GTA has a different vibe than Ottawa and Montreal, and then they do have to Calgary and Regina. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, all those things, yeah, and I wonder now, like what? How is this shifting? Is it relevant now in for Generation Z on the cover of Wired magazine this month as a Gen Z theme for the whole magazine? And you know there\u0026#39;s such a big generation I mean there\u0026#39;s 72 million of them, which is kind of funny. They\u0026#39;re bigger than Baby Boomers and bigger than Generation X and the millennials but I wonder you know they\u0026#39;ve been grown into a Cloudlandia first world. Yeah, that really their primary world is Cloudlandia and it\u0026#39;s almost like the thing, the importance or interaction or sense of identity or community that shapes as you kind of grew up in that thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eDo you think that\u0026#39;s as relevant or do you think it makes any difference? Now, like you had the opportunity you kind of grew up in, if we take an NFL city kind of orbit or satellite, you grew up what would have been in the Cleveland the Browns. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThe Browns, the Browns right. Your whole that\u0026#39;s kind of like your satellite or orbit of Cleveland as the big city kind of thing, yeah and yeah, and that was sort of a real treat because I grew up on a farm 60 miles west of Cleveland and it was always a big treat when you got, we got to go downtown, you know to downtown Cleveland. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nCleveland was a hopping place. I mean, I was born in the 40s and Cleveland was probably the fifth biggest American city then and a lot of wealth there. The Rockefellers are from Cleveland. And yeah, I mean, and, but then there was the Western movement, you know. But the world war. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSecond world war changed, really changed a lot of things. I always say there\u0026#39;s four things that happened in the 40s and 50s that really changed the geography of the United States as far as what you thought of as places to go. And the first one was the GI Bill. You had 16 million people who got the GI Bill and that gave them really cheap education, really cheap, really cheap home loans, and so you had a lot of blue color people who would never go to education beyond high school and suddenly the universities were filled with these veterans who came back and when they got their degree, first of all they went away. They didn\u0026#39;t do it in their home village, hometown or the you know the neighborhood in the city. They went away someplace, to the university. They had four years away. They had already been away for three years, three or four years with the service, but with the education being cheap, and then also the home loans. They didn\u0026#39;t go back to where they came from. And then that coincided with the interstate highway system. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYou asked for the interstate. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nRight and the suburbs, yeah, yeah, and the suburbs and the interstate highway system. So inner city people moved to the suburbs or they moved to another city and about all the westward growth was towards California, you know, was towards the south Texas, oklahoma, arizona, and so you had that. And then you had air conditioning, and then air conditioning made it possible to have business in really hot places. You know, you could, you could have factories, you could have you could have plants with air conditioning and so that\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eand the other thing is I don\u0026#39;t include it in my for, but generally these new places were very resistant to unions. Labor union were mainly in the biggest established cities in the east and in the north, but when they got to the south and west they were were not union states. They came much later and so you could pay wages. You know that the unions would not have agreed to, but they with unions weren\u0026#39;t there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then I think it was the fourth one. So we had the GI bill, we had the highway system, we had air conditioning and the fourth one was national TV and that came at 50. So you had the three you had the three networks and they were basically competing for the same audience, competing with the same themes, competing, you know, with the same kind of programming, and I think that totally changed the character of the United States from what it had been Before the Second World War, I think those four things, yeah, I mean you could add everybody would have something else to add to that, but it\u0026#39;d be hard to find four things more central than those four. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYes, I think, and that\u0026#39;s so all of those, and even you know, then the yeah that sense of everybody having the same experience. I think the kids now I think you think like if we were to take that, because some of those are infrastructure things right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat you were, that you\u0026#39;re talking about. Well, almost all four of them are infrastructure of one kind or another Communications infrastructure, transportation infrastructure, educational infrastructure. And then you know the air conditioning is. I don\u0026#39;t know. That would fall under a technological infrastructure. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, I mean I wonder you know we\u0026#39;re in if you take these and kind of like overlay, that\u0026#39;s all you know circa right around 1950, all of that in place now that if we take this to today, you know, and I think when you really think about the Gen C, you know 1996 to 2010,. Those kids you know, the oldest of them now are in the workforce and in the early 20s, so it\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut they grew up with an infrastructure that the internet was already established and then the modern internet by the time they were, you know, teenagers, the modern internet, everything was in place and I still think about the. You know that all lives were kind of on that in terms of, you know, youtube, facebook, instagram, now Twitter, and then I don\u0026#39;t know whether you\u0026#39;ve been following threads just got released which is Facebook\u0026#39;s sort of Twitter competitor. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd it was the fastest. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIt\u0026#39;s the fastest thing to go to 100 million users. They went to 100 million users in five days, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd that\u0026#39;s kind of a you know, but I guess they were the same customers. That\u0026#39;s what I mean when you start with. You start with. They were Instagram customers who just added another channel. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYou just start with a billion already and you\u0026#39;ve got yeah yeah, now you\u0026#39;re at 100 million, but those things it\u0026#39;s almost like the. I start to see that all of those main platforms tend to now, you know, sort of mimic each other in that you know, whatever, whatever, anybody starts to take a lead everybody oh yeah, we\u0026#39;ve got that too. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo you know TikTok with the short form, endless scrolling videos. You know, between TikTok Reels, youtube Shorts and Instagram stories, you can\u0026#39;t really tell which one you\u0026#39;re on. It\u0026#39;s all that same thing. And I think that when you look at what Threads is trying to do with Twitter because Twitter was kind of unique in a way that it was the 140 character, mostly words and comments, commentary, discussion type of thing the others haven\u0026#39;t really yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI would say there\u0026#39;s a big fundamental change that is happening right now that probably it will give the newest generation a completely different future, and that is the notion of a global economy is disappearing. Ten years from now, there won\u0026#39;t be a global economy and it\u0026#39;s already starting to break apart, and that\u0026#39;s a function of geopolitical change that is fundamentally different than anything that happened since 1945. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou go to conferences and you listen we\u0026#39;re going all global. At a certain point we will change over where there\u0026#39;s a single global government and borders don\u0026#39;t really matter and everything else. That was a bad guess and that was a bad bet. That whole thing was disappearing because it was basically with the agreement of one very powerful country. That would be true. That country has changed its mind. But the other thing is that there\u0026#39;s a much better prediction that can be made that a lot of the generation Z won\u0026#39;t go to university. They won\u0026#39;t go to college because the money is going to be in the trades again. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, and that\u0026#39;s what I wonder if the? What I\u0026#39;ve been wondering about now is what is the relevance of these little You\u0026#39;re kind of NFL cities, your MSA cultures kind of thing. I was only had the Canadian experience, but I imagine people who grew up if you live in Chicago, that\u0026#39;s got a different vibe than living in Detroit or in Cleveland or in St Louis or Charlotte, north Carolina, all these things. I wonder what the role of these is kind of in the next 25 years, is it? We\u0026#39;re coming back? I always remember I don\u0026#39;t remember the exact way that you said it, but you talked about the dueling furniture stores or the best furniture store on the street or the best furniture store in town in the state, in the glow in the world that was right back around to the best one. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThe best one on the street. Yeah, I haven\u0026#39;t really given much thought to that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI don\u0026#39;t really know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBut there\u0026#39;s an interesting thing with Chicago the Bears, who have been the most downtown of the sports franchise. The White Sox baseball team is on the south side and the Wrigley Field. The Cubs are kind of going towards the wealthy sections, the North Shore, evanston, sort of moving towards Evanston and Lake Forest and those really wealthy cities. But the Bears were right downtown. They were right on the Soldier Field, which is right near the lake. They\u0026#39;re leaving. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey\u0026#39;re going to go out to one of the Northwestern suburbs which is Evanston which one of them, but they\u0026#39;ll be easily 25 miles from downtown the basketball team, and I don\u0026#39;t think they\u0026#39;re in the center city. The basketball and the hockey team I don\u0026#39;t think they\u0026#39;re center city, but they\u0026#39;re losing population. I mean Chicago\u0026#39;s downtown is losing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAs a matter of fact, I think Toronto\u0026#39;s inner city now is bigger than Chicago\u0026#39;s inner city, chicago\u0026#39;s suburbs are bigger than Toronto and my sense is that the need to be in the most densely part of the city for business reasons has lost its force. And I think that COVID I have a huge impact on that, where people who normally commuted downtown spend a couple of years not commuting downtown and I think they had a chance to figure out maybe there\u0026#39;s a different way of my work future than going downtown. Yeah, so I think that COVID, as we go along, as I came with, covid will be seeing year by year as we get further away from had a profound sociological. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI think it had a profound economic impact on people where they started planning out a different future that did not include every day, an hour into the city, every night, an hour out. They got those two hours back and they\u0026#39;re kind of choosy and picky about whether they want to spend their whole future that way. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, exactly Like that was so normal. I look at growing up in Georgetown and Houghton Hills that was like a normal. Almost everybody in Georgetown commuted. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nTo go train an hour. That\u0026#39;s exactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd that was like just a normal, that\u0026#39;s just a normal thing, or at the very least they drove to Mississauga or 30 minutes somewhere, Not a lot of indisputable. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSo I think that every year the effect of those two lockdown years will be more pronounced. I think it won\u0026#39;t go the other way. They say you know, we\u0026#39;ll get past COVID and we\u0026#39;ll go back to things the way they were. I don\u0026#39;t think that\u0026#39;s going to happen. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, I agree. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThe other big thing is the repatriation of industry and manufacturing back to and I\u0026#39;m talking about the states here, and the US has gone through greater industrial and manufacturing growth in the last three years than it did during the three main years of the Second World War, which was, I mean, it was out of sight how much manufacturing they did. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd the industrial plant. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBut it\u0026#39;s not coming back to the East Coast any of the you know not the old, established New England. It\u0026#39;s not going to the Great Lakes states. You know Chicago, buffalo, cleveland, detroit, chicago. You know it\u0026#39;s going to places where they have Really cheap land and you can build new TSMC, which is the highest level chip makers in the world from Taiwan. They\u0026#39;re just completing a 20,000 empoi chip factory just north of Phoenix. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, and that\u0026#39;s the one that they\u0026#39;re going to power with the small nuclear. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, I\u0026#39;m not sure, that\u0026#39;s true. I was just talking to Mike Wanderl and it seems to me that a project like that would be a really good use of your new thing. No. I think they\u0026#39;re using their own generators, but they\u0026#39;re not nuclear generators. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nMaybe it was solar that I thought. Do you remember something that they were going to make it? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nNo, it\u0026#39;s not solar. Well, they would use solar for part of it, because they\u0026#39;ve got a pretty steady sun all year round, but anyway, I don\u0026#39;t really know the ins and outs of it. I was just thinking that TSMC, on Taiwan and 100 miles from China, decided that 8,000 miles from China was better. Right, that\u0026#39;s funny, and I think the other thing that you\u0026#39;re going to see is the Japan set a model about 30 years ago, so Japan was going to take over the world, and then they didn\u0026#39;t take over the world. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd so remember, in the 1980s we go to movies and that would be about how smart the Japanese were and how stupid the Americans were. And we\u0026#39;d be taking orders from the Japanese. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWell, they hit a wall at the end of the 80s and they\u0026#39;ve been essentially flat economically for the last 36 years. But what they did is they made a very strategic decision. This is companies like Toyota. They made a strategic decision that they have such a falling population. They had the fastest collapsing population in human history up until the Chinese. The Chinese now are losing population faster than any country in history. But what the Japanese sort of at the government level and at the investment level and the actual industrial level made a decision that from now on they would have their factories where their customers were and most of the customers were. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then other I mean the top level customers who were right for the price here items, and so they have moved a large portion of their industrial base to mostly the south of the United States, south Carolina, alabama. Mississippi you know, tennessee, kentucky, but below the Mason-Dixon line, if you know, if you yeah that was the division between, essentially between, the Union and the Confederates. So all the factories are going to the former Confederate States during the Civil War. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd and. But they said they voluntarily did that. I mean well, voluntarily is that they were constrained and they said that if we\u0026#39;re going to have future and then the money, you know a portion of the money comes back to Japan, but they\u0026#39;re higher American. They\u0026#39;re hiring, the people who run the factories are American, the people who work in the factories are American and you know they pay taxes in the states and to the country. But my sense is that as we go forward over the next 10 years, there will be a tariff for other countries to sell into the United States. There will be tariffs unless you move your factory to the United States. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, wow, this is, yeah, this is what I wonder now. It\u0026#39;s like almost like the, it\u0026#39;s almost like the wave kind of thing that the waves are shifting back into you know more. An inward, an inward shift here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, I think I think yeah, I think the central thinking here is we want the supply chains to be guaranteed. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYes, and that makes it if it\u0026#39;s all in the fall. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nMexico, the United States, canada, it\u0026#39;s all you know. All the rail lines are there, all the highways are there, you know, and they\u0026#39;re not enemies of each other. And you know when the when the Canadians nationalized pot. You know marijuana, you knew there wasn\u0026#39;t going to be any invasion by Canada and to the United States. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOh, that\u0026#39;s so funny. Yeah, yeah, that is funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nFor those of you you know know something about the United States and Canada. That was a joke, I just told you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, I love that. My favorite Canadians. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nPlacid Canadians got more placid. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah exactly. That\u0026#39;s so funny this was. I did hear a comedian talking about the how our friendly neighbors to the north, the Canadians, are just so chill. He\u0026#39;s a, let\u0026#39;s face it. Our salvation army could kick their butt. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell here\u0026#39;s what they just had NATO exercises Canada\u0026#39;s part of NATO and they don\u0026#39;t have enough working equipment that they could participate. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWow, that\u0026#39;s something, isn\u0026#39;t it? Well, there you go. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nNo, I mean probably you know I mean looking at it from Canadian standpoint. I kind of understand it because nothing\u0026#39;s going to happen in Canada that would in any way be seen as a threat to the United States and the American military would be all over it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOh absolutely yeah, but talk about one of the best, like just that\u0026#39;s why, that\u0026#39;s why I look at my Canadian citizenship as a gift. You know, I look at it as something that\u0026#39;s very rare and you know, you just look at it\u0026#39;s why Canada is always amongst the top places to live in the world. You know, yeah, it\u0026#39;s just got so much, so much going for it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, I mean this started with Generation Z conversation you know, yeah, started, you know, really started. You know we experienced growing up where we were in one way. But I suspect that somebody who was born in the late end of the 90s and is in their 20s and you know their take on the world would be radically different from what our take was. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s. What I\u0026#39;m saying is that it feels like they wouldn\u0026#39;t have that same sense of identity or association with their click. You know with that they were, because I think it was. It\u0026#39;s less and less relevant in your daily life. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSo the chances are that, first of all, that you would, for example, have to go in the military. I mean, I was born in the 40s, and when I got to the 60s and the Vietnam War started and I got my draft notice, I didn\u0026#39;t give it a thought. Well, you know, I had one, two, three. I had three older brothers who had already served, I mean, they volunteered and mine was conscription. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI never gave it a thought because all the growing up, all the adults I talked to, had been in the military, so it didn\u0026#39;t seem like yeah it was kind of like a tax. You know, it was two years of your life and it was kind of like a tax, but you know and there was no thought. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut then you had the anti-war period during this. But I was already back from the military when that all started and you know I didn\u0026#39;t really pay any attention to it. I mean, it wasn\u0026#39;t, it didn\u0026#39;t concern me at all. And you know and you didn\u0026#39;t get into discussions going through college that you had been in the military. You know it wasn\u0026#39;t, it wasn\u0026#39;t a popular topic. Right yeah so yeah, I think that\u0026#39;s where the sharp change happened. I think it was the late 60s anti-war protests and then yeah a lot of protests. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI remember Little Abner it was a cartoon series Little Abner, al Cap and he had he was reflecting. In the late 60s, a protest group called SWINE it was the acronym was SWINE Students. Wow, they indignant about nearly everything. That\u0026#39;s true, that\u0026#39;s great, and they run the country. Now they\u0026#39;re in their 60s and 70s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, the size of the, the size of the SWINE. You know, army now is huge because it can be collective on the internet, cancel culture. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, and what we call woke used to be called yeah, no, I mean the. I\u0026#39;d say there\u0026#39;s a you can chase, you can easily track the genealogy, the ideological genealogy of the present woke population and it. But it started with the swine population in the 1960s, you know. But students wildly indignant about nearly everything, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI think that\u0026#39;s something you know. That\u0026#39;s so great. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, yeah Well you know I mean, if you\u0026#39;re not creative. Opposition gives you a lot of focus and identity. Being against something can give you a lot of energy. You know, and yeah, but it doesn\u0026#39;t get you a high paycheck. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, this is. Yeah, I wonder now the whole, this whole like notion of Work and what, how that\u0026#39;s going to shape this generation? I haven\u0026#39;t gotten to that part in the in the magazine. Yeah yeah, but I mean it certainly. You know there\u0026#39;s a different level of Apparently. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThey\u0026#39;re saying that we\u0026#39;re, that it is a very entrepreneurial group which is well, there as far as I mean Just by observation, because we have I would say we certainly have 20 of our Team members out of 130. Might be more than that I have encountered, but they seem like worker bees to me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOkay, interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, they work real hard, they work real hard, they, you know they show up on time, they do what they say they\u0026#39;re going to do, they finish what they start and they play. They say please and thank you, and you know, and so I have a very positive take on those individuals who we\u0026#39;ve hired, you know, and I mean we have. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere\u0026#39;s five steps to get higher-deck coach. So there\u0026#39;s a filtering and a screening that goes on. Yeah, it was one thing that we had a lot of millennials, for you know we had a lot of one. Yeah, some lot of them are still with us and I asked the person most in charge of hiring For a coach. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI said is there anything you\u0026#39;re doing different with these people? Because I don\u0026#39;t see, I don\u0026#39;t detect any of the attitudes that are supposedly Millennial attitudes. And she said well, we have one more question we asked them and I said and it\u0026#39;s if you come to work as strategic coach, what do you think you\u0026#39;re entitled to? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nand if they answer the question. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThey\u0026#39;re gone. So funny. I like that if they even know what the word entitled means. Yeah, they disqualified, they disqualified themselves. Yeah, oh that\u0026#39;s funny. Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, I didn\u0026#39;t. I didn\u0026#39;t ask you, dan, but how did free-thone go this week? I know everybody was in Gathered in Chicago. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, I had one of my periodic last-minute creative changes, where what was the planned out workshop on Friday was completely changed on Monday. Okay, okay, and what I did was I just got a feel for it that something More is needed, and also, we had a guest speaker. For the first time, we had a guest speaker and we had. Andre Norman. We had Andre Norman come in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I gave Andre script in the term in the form of a fast filter and I said Andre, we\u0026#39;re just going to talk about and we\u0026#39;re going to divide your life into three parts. When you were a gang leader in Boston you\u0026#39;re the boss. And when you got into Prison, and you were the prison boss. And now you\u0026#39;re out and collaborating with Joe Polish and you do crisis Intervention with individuals and groups across the country. But you\u0026#39;re the boss of doing that and I like you just to walk us through your three entrepreneurial stages and, looking back, things you might have done differently now from your. You know, from the. You know the advantage of backward perspective. What would you have done differently? But we had to tick to. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe had two videos and there was about a Two-minute tick tock where he\u0026#39;s just telling the story about how he went through five guard stations and got into the kitchen to ask for a hamburger and a cheese, a cheeseburger, and was confronted by the warden, and then let the warden know who actually ran the prison and and that he had no issue getting through five gates and getting into the kitchen, but the Warden was being an issue, and that the warden had a choice of how he was going to handle this and the warden at the end goes over and says give him a second cheeseburger. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI make him do yeah, exactly and then at the end it was just the the trailer for the movie that\u0026#39;s been made on Andre. So we that was sort of neat. One was about two minutes, the other one was about two minutes at the end, but it was a terrific hour, so that that that was a special event in the workshop. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut what I did was I drew a diagram and it\u0026#39;s an upward arrow, you know, goes up, and it\u0026#39;s broken down into eight arrows and there are the decades of my life. So next year I complete my eighth decade eighth arrow and I just observed that my Creativity and productivity since I was 70 was greater than the 70 previous years I\u0026#39;ve created and produced more in the last ten years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo I had them all do that. They had to draw it out. I just drew it on the whiteboard and and then you lay down, you know everything. But just under the category of creativity and productivity, and that I had, I bet I had ten people at the end of the First hour because they just drew it out and then they went into breakout groups and then we had the general Discussion, let\u0026#39;s say the first hour and a half. They said we could go home right now. This was worth the trip, and I said, well, that\u0026#39;s good. And I had a prepared sheet which said what their best ever decade was going to be ahead. So mine was a bit easy because I\u0026#39;m going to be right at the end of a calendar decade, my chronological. Not a calendar decade, but my chronological. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo I\u0026#39;ll be 80 next May and so it\u0026#39;ll be 80 to 90, it\u0026#39;ll be 20, 24, 20, 20, 23. I says, now, choose that one. And I said you may have it start right away, you may have it start in a couple of years, you know, but you\u0026#39;re going to now start them too. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, start creating the decade. That will be your best ever. But you\u0026#39;ve seen what you\u0026#39;ve done with the best one in the past and we did that. But we\u0026#39;re going to drag, break it into two parts. One of them is Creativity times, productivity. That\u0026#39;ll be one side and the other side will be fitness times, health. Because I said, you know, and right now, at 80, most they get some people born in 19 in the United States, people born in 1944, 61% of them are dead, 61 and so. So you know, you got to put a bigger emphasis on your physical energy. And so I said and you won\u0026#39;t plan for something bigger in the future if you\u0026#39;re not in great shape, and you will not plan for greater shape in the future if you\u0026#39;re not becoming more Creative and productive. And this was a huge, this is a huge new, a new time tool, a new time tool. And it went. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt was the whole day just that thing, yeah, we just, and then they picked three things that were most important and then they did a triple play on it. So I think we had about we had about three breakout groups and then general discussions and we had a party the night before house and on the Monday, where you have the 10 times workshop, is just free zone people in that 10 times. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere\u0026#39;s no, nobody else in the 10 times and that really worked. And then there were people who were going to do their 10 times the day after Free zone and I had. We had another party at our house that night, and that\u0026#39;s 10 times a week of parties. Yeah, but it\u0026#39;s all. You know. All the success and achievement Is strictly for the parties. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s exactly right. I like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, and being Having a seven in your print, you would appreciate parties. Yes, exactly, I love it. They\u0026#39;re happy. Yeah, enjoying life and having fun. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, I love that. Well, I\u0026#39;m a guy, so we\u0026#39;re gonna go through that same thing on you so you\u0026#39;ll do that on. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYou\u0026#39;ll do that on the zoom yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI like it. That\u0026#39;s next week I think that\u0026#39;s next week. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI think that\u0026#39;s next week, is that next? Week no it\u0026#39;s this week. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThis week, I think one of these guys. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIt has to be this week because we\u0026#39;re at the cottage for two weeks. Oh yeah, there you go. I think it\u0026#39;s the starting next week, yeah, but it went really well. Yeah, yeah yeah, so, yeah so anyway, that\u0026#39;s, that\u0026#39;s my story, and I\u0026#39;m sticking to it now Did? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI saw in one of the I got the prep package and stuff and I saw something that made my pupils dilate and I think it was some indication of some free zone Expansion into Toronto. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, what we want to do because it\u0026#39;s getting big. Now we have 91 in free zone and so we want to add another available workshop day during the quarter and there\u0026#39;s been a growing interest from people in Canada who would do it if it were in Toronto, and so we\u0026#39;ve looked at the date. It\u0026#39;ll start in early. It\u0026#39;ll start in early 24, 2024 and but there has to be enough interest that we would have a good size, and by good size We\u0026#39;d have more than 20 people there either new or existing and and but To say the other bother of going to Chicago, we\u0026#39;re still going to charge you an American dollars. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nRight on. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, so it\u0026#39;s great we\u0026#39;re not having that deeper one. Yeah, though. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThis is great. I think it\u0026#39;s so nice to see it expanding. I mean, the Our group in in Palm Beach was really something. I mean it\u0026#39;s really a great energy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, and next year the summits back in Palm Beach too. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI like that yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, we have, well, the four seasons. You there\u0026#39;s. You know, there\u0026#39;s nothing you have to Think about with the four seasons right you know I mean very instant response and anything you want. That\u0026#39;s great yeah man, we\u0026#39;re going to have our first big global conference in Nashville Next year and it gets in May, first week of May, so be today, and it\u0026#39;s everybody who\u0026#39;s involved and we\u0026#39;ll have out clients come. So we\u0026#39;re shooting for probably 1500 1600 people and we\u0026#39;re going to break out sessions and this is a global overall strategic coach yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, so people come from overseas for it, but yes, you know, a lot of it is mingling and you know, and yeah whining and dining and everything but and I have nothing to do with this I was told it was going to happen, so you know you\u0026#39;re just relaying the news. Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI\u0026#39;m usually the last one to know. And and yeah, and people say boy, how do you find time for all this stuff? And they support what stuff? And they said well, you know moving the other coaches up to ten times. I said that was 15 minutes on my part to do the whole. I simply announced that after 2023 I wasn\u0026#39;t going to do anymore. After 2022 I wasn\u0026#39;t going to do any more Workshops. Right, well, how we gonna? Huh, I said my security clearance is not high enough to be involved. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOh, yeah, we\u0026#39;re nothing but rave reviews for Chad. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, chad, that was really good. Yeah, and in fairness to you know, in fairness to you know someone else, they had to split their tension between free zone and ten times people on the same day and that stuff and but Chad just got the pure, the purebred lambs. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOh man, that\u0026#39;s so funny. The purebred yeah, the Mayflower yeah that is funny. Well, I you know what feel I feel good about is. I have been. I was the Mayflower of the ten times. Oh yeah made me voyage and Mayflower of free zone. That\u0026#39;s funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah. Yeah well, you know it, you know, I mean there\u0026#39;s. You know. See, my whole approach is that you don\u0026#39;t know how good your team is and you don\u0026#39;t know how good the program is Until you\u0026#39;re not involved in any of it. Yeah, yeah, so it\u0026#39;s. Why don\u0026#39;t the people say, well, all this free time? And I say they said don\u0026#39;t you worry about the company. And I says, actually it\u0026#39;s on my free days. Then I find out how good my company is or as a result of my free days. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey can\u0026#39;t phone us. We don\u0026#39;t phone them or zoom them, we don\u0026#39;t, and they have to sort things out on their own. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd that\u0026#39;s and they do they do when they grow, did you? How many days did you who up with the? You know, letting Without doing the ten times? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nprepping workshops in about 60 days yeah. Yeah, and then you\u0026#39;ve already. Some of those with oh yeah, I\u0026#39;m Programs Less. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nActive. I don\u0026#39;t think I\u0026#39;m any right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI\u0026#39;m just doing different things, but the big one for the last five years and on Tuesday will be five years Was the no television for five years and I got back about four thousand hours Over the five year, about 800 hours. So you know, I Truthfully I kind of worked like ten hour days when I\u0026#39;m working, so that was 880 years and 880 days a year and then I got about of work time and then I got 60. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo the big, I had a big return of Days available for doing new things, and you know. So it\u0026#39;s that stuff works, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, absolutely Well, I\u0026#39;ve been really enjoying and expanding on my adventures in Dean Landia. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nLet\u0026#39;s screen time, more team time. I\u0026#39;ll tell you there is so much yeah, there\u0026#39;s so much more compelling things going on in Dean Landia than in Netflix or on YouTube or, you know, tiktok, any of those things that take up all that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nwell, you can be more of a coin you can be. More of a cone is, sir you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBut you know, I mean. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI watch YouTube, but basically half of it is just watching Peter Zion\u0026#39;s latest take on something, and that\u0026#39;s Never more than about seven or eight minutes and but you begin to realize, you know that if you\u0026#39;re truly a An entrepreneur who\u0026#39;s expanding freedom, time, money, relationship and purpose Is that there\u0026#39;s a lot going on the world that doesn\u0026#39;t, or should shouldn\u0026#39;t, really concern you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, I think that\u0026#39;s really the thing of being able to know that this you can let go of a lot of them, right? That\u0026#39;s really I think that when you, when you really come to the fact that there\u0026#39;s no way to keep up with it, there\u0026#39;s no like all the content that\u0026#39;s out there, it\u0026#39;s kind of like you\u0026#39;re saying about swimming in the ocean you know you miss a lot of it, but you really you know it was. As long as you get a good swim and that\u0026#39;s all. Yeah, yeah, but the other thing is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nPeople say, well, how do you keep up with the world? And I said, if I knew what the world was, maybe I would have an answer. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut I says our world is basically a measurable number of Relationships that you have, you know. You know, I mean people say, what do you think about what\u0026#39;s going on in Africa? And I said, well, not very much. And I mean I don\u0026#39;t really think about it that much. And because I\u0026#39;ve got some clients I have a client clients in Botswana, I\u0026#39;ve got clients in Ghana. You know there\u0026#39;s some clients there and we interact and I know about them. But Africa itself not really much. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd but people, I think what\u0026#39;s happened over the last 40 years? We\u0026#39;ve had a sizable number of people who went to college with the and came out of the college with the Mission of changing the world. Yeah, but they don\u0026#39;t know how to change the tire, you know. So they have theoretical, this theoretical sort of vision, but they don\u0026#39;t really have any practical skills. And, and I think, as the world becomes less united and less Interconnected which I see happening already and it\u0026#39;s going to happen more so over the next 20 years it strikes me that people will become more practical in their focus and they\u0026#39;ll be more local. I\u0026#39;m not local in the sense that they\u0026#39;re dealing with real relationships and they\u0026#39;re creating things and producing things with real relationships. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd they\u0026#39;re not buying into a lot of fantasies about what\u0026#39;s going on in the world and that this is generation Z. I mean we started with this Topic, but I think they\u0026#39;re going to turn out to be more practical than the two or three generations ahead of them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, and they\u0026#39;re much more there. You know they\u0026#39;re technically fluent. I mean that\u0026#39;s certainly a thing that they\u0026#39;re. I think, especially now the younger ones that are going to you know they\u0026#39;re going to grow up with their Chat GPT sidekick, you know, always available to them. I think it\u0026#39;s going to be amazing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI think it\u0026#39;s, yeah, I think it\u0026#39;s. There\u0026#39;s some changes in the wind, uh-huh. Anyway, got a jump, oh, by the way always fun as a pick up on a previous thing, I checked with Julia Waller about the strength finder and we do not have your numbers. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nShe sent me an email. I\u0026#39;m gonna do it. I\u0026#39;m gonna do it today. Actually, I\u0026#39;m gonna Okay, yeah, good the test, but I\u0026#39;m just gonna send you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI have it on a draft and I\u0026#39;ll just punch the button and you know. The thing is that you take your top five strength finders and you plop them into the fast filter. Perfect, the fast filter has five success criteria. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, I\u0026#39;m gonna just put down whatever your five are yeah and yeah it\u0026#39;s gotta, it\u0026#39;s got a neat outcome. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWhen you do that, I like it. I can\u0026#39;t wait. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, I will. Okay, back are we, are we next? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nweek, next week, and then I won\u0026#39;t at the cottage, I\u0026#39;m just gonna cottage, I\u0026#39;m just gonna cottage things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOkay, great, so no podcast next week. Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nNo, next week we have it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sulllivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI haven\u0026#39;t left next week I\u0026#39;m here on Sunday, so would okay yeah yeah, if you would be so inclined. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, of course, always. Okay, okay, okay, then, okay, bye, okay, bye, bye. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In this episode of Cloudlandia, Prepare to embark on an enlightening journey as we traverse the diverse landscapes of Toronto, compare it to America's NFL cities, and reflect on how major 20th-century developments in the U.S., from the GI Bill to national television, continue to shape its geography and economy.\r\n\r\n","date_published":"2023-07-27T09:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/fae1fba8-ee05-4d95-b6c9-1144e4822015.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":39067615,"duration_in_seconds":3221}]},{"id":"b4502358-2e18-40d6-83e3-2e20559fe529","title":"Ep103: Discovering the Power of Imagination in Shaping Our Reality","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/103","content_text":"In this episode of Cloudlandia, we navigate the intriguing notion that our world as we know it is entirely constructed by individuals just like us. From the mundane aspects of traffic rules to the profound sacred texts influencing civilizations, it's all the product of the human mind.\n\n\u0026amp;nbsp\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\nThe world as we know it is entirely constructed by individuals like us, with everything from traffic rules to profound sacred texts being the product of the human mind.\nThe art of argument is discussed, with insights from Jerry Spence's enlightening book. The best argument won is one that doesn't feel like a fight.\nThey explore the perception of change and how a single country's decision can shift the global landscape. Embracing change and moving fluidly in a world in constant flux is important.\nDean and Dan take a nostalgic trip through the transformative era of 1950 to 1980, discussing the assimilation of technological advancements like electricity, radio, television, cars, planes, and telephones.\nExploration of the future of entertainment includes pondering whether YouTube could be the new generational torchbearer for cross-generational awareness of stars.\nThe evolution of work is discussed, including the importance of strategic coaching in achieving success. The right people can make a world of difference. It's not just about working hard, but also about working smart.\nThey explore how everything is made up by specific individuals, including the fear that gripped society at the advent of automobiles and how we've evolved to take speed for granted.\nThey discuss the importance of winning arguments and how the best way to win is to not make it feel like an argument. It also explores how people perceive change differently.\nThe podcast compares the 1950s and the present day in terms of success, discussing how quickly a book can be produced now, thanks to the internet and Zoom. The importance of having a designer who can understand and deliver what is desired is emphasized.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDan Sullivan\n welcome. We're being recorded, that's right. Welcome, always welcome. \n\nDean Jackson\nWelcome to cloudland here, that's right. We're, we're always recording. Well we're always Everything is recorded. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, nobody's in charge, and and life's not fair. \n\nDean Jackson\nExactly right. I'm holding in my hand my Geometry for staying cool and calm book yeah it's very exciting. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, this one has gotten Kind of surprising to me anyway. Just, it sort of clicks. Those three things seem to do some Mental geometry, you know, when you put the three of them together as a triangle. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. \n\nDean Jackson\nI love it and the I was once the cartoons like that's my. \n\nYou know my process for reading the book is. I like I open up the inside cover and I see the overview of the Graphical overview within cartoons and tells you the whole Everything you need to know, kind of just looking at it. I love this guessing and betting. It's very good. Then I go to the contents and I look at the titles of Chapters and I'm very interested in, and haven't gotten to yet, chapter 750 out of 8 billion. I'm not sure what that's, the cops. \n\nYet but, then I go and I read the headlines, the chapters and the. You know your opening statements that you say about them. So, chapter one everything's made up. You realize that everything in the world is always made up by specific individuals. And then I skip to the cartoons, mm-hmm in between the chapters that I look at those and I see the Yep. Gandhi was making it up, confucius was making it up. Everybody seems to be that. They've been making it up since the beginning of time, right to three to today. Yeah, I'm making it up. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI love it. You're making it? Yeah, we, we've been making it up. This whole thing got made up. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, but the interesting thing. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI mean, the interesting thing is that I have people say well, you know what about, like sacred books? And I said well, I said, and they said aren't they divinely inspired? And I said, yeah, they're a finally inspired, but it takes somebody to write them down. Right, Right then you and you, and you hope you hope they got it right. \n\nYeah, yeah, but what it does is, I notice in the I just brought it up as a talking point in maybe five or six workshops, both free zone, in ten times and you can see people they have this almost like little mental jolt. They get a jolt and they say, wow, that's true, isn't? I said, yeah, so you can make things up, so you're freed up to make anything. I said everybody else does it, why don't you do it? And then nobody's in charge. And they said, well, what's in charge? I said rules are in charge. We make up rules and you know, send every situation, if people are cooperating and doing things together, make they make up rules. You know, not not necessarily at one time, but they gradually put up a set of rules. You know, if we approach things this way, things work. You know, think of traffic. You know think of if there were no rules. \n\nDean Jackson\nRight, exactly, that's one of the frightening things about driving in India, say oh yeah, I was just thinking of India. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI mean, you don't need brakes, you just need a horn. \n\nDean Jackson\nAnd get quick reflexes. \n\nDan Sullivan\nAnd and a lot of determination. \n\nYeah, exactly. \n\nDan Sullivan\nSensor. You're right, you're first and you're right. These are all good things. Yeah, I was thinking about that one day. We were going, you know, on the Gardner Expressway in Toronto and we were, you know the traffic was flowing really, really quickly. You know it was 50 of these 50, you know 50 miles an hour and you know there were hundreds of cars In sight going both ways and I said, if you took somebody in time, traveled them back a century, back to 1923, and you put them in this situation, they, they would go catatonic in about 60 seconds. Just the Motion, yeah, yeah, and but we take it completely normal. And what normalizes it? We know, we know everybody else knows the rules. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, I understood. I Think I remember reading that people when automobiles were first getting started, that people there was fear that your brain might explode at speed. Oh yeah, 30 miles an hour. \n\nSpeaker 1\nYeah, yeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, well, and I think that there's. I Don't think that was a stupid worry, you know, we just had never, experienced. Nobody had ever experienced speed like that. \n\nYou know, yeah, and I think one of the attractions of Maritime travel, let's say, two or three centuries ago, like one of those sailing ships with full sails and, you know, properly constructed, you know the whole structure of the boat was meant for speed and you know they could get up to, you know, if they had a tide with them and they have current with them and everything else, they get up to 30 miles an hour. You know, at some speeds, you know, and this were sailing ships, you know, and that must have been extraordinarily thrilling to. That was about it, for you know, all of human history, up until trains. \n\nDean Jackson\nHorses, I guess I mean. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThink about probably about 30 horses, horses probably about 30, you know, they would be. They would be that that fast and you know. \n\nBut then all of a sudden, geez, you know, you know they were getting in. And from the Wright brothers, in 1903, I think, the Wright brothers, their first flight, you know, which lasted about 15 seconds, and and to Even the second world war, at the end of the war, they were introducing jets that could fly 500, 450, 500 miles an hour. Let's just yeah. But we've just showed you that the human brain adjusted these things, we normalize. \n\nYeah, you know, Well, number one skills that humans have is we can normalize new situations really quite quickly. Yeah, that's true. People saying you know this, all this AI stuff, yeah, I don't think our brains. So I said we'll normalize it just like we did anything else, you know we will normalize it. \n\nDean Jackson\nIt's so. It's so true. I've been getting, I've been seeing a lot of you know, what I wouldn't call AI enabled. You know, you know I've been seeing a lot of AI content or outreach, and you can. I was thinking about Jerry Spence and he wrote a great book called how to Argue and Win Every Time, and he said that our brains are equipped with psychic tentacles that are reaching out and testing everything for truth and realness and congruence, and these psychic tentacles can detect what he calls the sin clank of the counterfeit. \n\nI thought that's the truth. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYou could tell that something was not written by a person. Yeah, I mean, on my birthday there was a company party for me. They do it all the time. Usually they lied to me in some way to think it's something else, and there's this big party. When they put it in your schedule, they're not gonna have to lie, and so, anyway, I go in and there's, this person gets up and, on behalf of the company, gives this very, very flattering talk about me. \n\nAnd I could tell she was five seconds into it, this chat, gpt, I could just tell. So afterwards I went up to her and I said, did you get a little art of AI help with that? And she said, yeah, I did a show. And I said, yeah, right, and you know, what's missing is that we have a feel that there's a heart there, there's a mind there, there's a soul there when it's human. \n\nDean Jackson\nWhat do you know? You know what one of the what I take as one of the highest compliments I've ever received about an email that I sent is Kim White said to me, or Daniel said to me, that you know. He says I know that these emails that you're sending are sent to thousands of people, but when I got it I always think it feels like you're speaking right to me and that was really that was really something you know. As a guy who's a energy plumber worker, you know whose whole thing is being coming into energy, yeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWell, it's really interesting. We went to see we're in Chicago today and Joe and Eunice and Mike Koenigs were here early, so they come in for Monday and Tuesday, but they came in yesterday and then Daniel White was with us and we went down to the theater to see personality because Joe hadn't seen it and the others hadn't seen it and there was an extraordinary actress in this play, or I don't know her last name, but her first name is Alexandria, and she plays the role of Lloyd Price's wife and she turns out to be a complete and total scammer. \n\nLike she's getting them for his money, she's getting them for his celebrity and everything like that, and when he goes through rough times she gives him a rough time, you know, and anyway and then later on. \n\nshe plays a completely different person who seems great. That's actually the person depicted in the play is Bertha Franklin, who is the, who is the older sister of Bertha Franklin, okay, and she seems this great hit to actually Janice Joplin became famous for her called A Piece of my Heart, and she just knocks it out. And then afterwards I meet her and it turns out she's 19 years old. You know, she's 19 years old and she's easily portraying someone in their 30s, you know. \n\nAnd as an actress, as a singer, the way she moves and everything, you get a sense that she's you know. And but I was introduced to her by Jeff Mattoff, who was the producer and writer of the play, and I said I wanna pay you a compliment and I said I want you to know how much I totally disliked you as the play won you. Just, we're just a horrible person. And she said, oh, oh, thank you very much. That feels so great. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat feels great that you I love it, I love it yeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nBecause she was supposed to. I mean, that's it calls for her. To be that type of person and she nailed it, but she's 19,. You know she's 19 years old and it was really quite you know, but you really, I mean I, but I spotted her from the moment she came on stage. This is a scammer. I can tell this person is a scammer. You know, oh, that's amazing, but I do think you're going back to the jury spent comment that you made. I'm gonna read that book. \n\nI'm always interested in winning. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI'm always interested in winning an argument, you know. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, yeah, no, I would highly recommend. I mean, I tried to avoid. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI tried to avoid them, but I said you know I can't avoid them, I wanna win. \n\nDean Jackson\nWell, and this is he's talking and this is like it's like one of my top five wisdom books ever, like it's, I think, one of the biggest impacts on me and his. Of course, you know who Jerry is the attorney, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a defendant of Mel DeMarco's and the whole thing's never lost a case and the. You know he thinks in the proactive thing about. You know he's using argument in the sense of your idea. \n\nYou're more persuasive, what you're more persuasive. \n\nDean Jackson\nYou're a person. That's what the lawyers make an argument. What's your argument for your idea? \n\nhere no. \n\nDean Jackson\nAnd this is how he's presenting things, and it's just been such a such an amazing, such an amazing thing, so I would highly recommend it. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI've never experienced Dean Jacksonin an argument but, maybe it's all argument. \n\nDean Jackson\nIt's all argument. That's what he's saying. That's exactly right, the best way to win is to win. \n\nDan Sullivan\nActually, you've never seen Dean when he wasn't arguing. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's right. That's it feels like that's the point of it. It's the best way to win an argument is to not make it feel like you're in an argument. \n\nYes. \n\nDan Sullivan\nIt's just, you're in normal experience. Yeah, right, yeah, but the thing of normalizing. Peter DM Monace and I had a podcast about three weeks ago and he was talking about the future and everything else. I said you know one thing I've noticed? I said and I've got I'm closing in on 80 years of dealing with the future. You know probably didn't yeah, really. \n\nYou know probably didn't really have it as a mental capacity 80 years of guessing and batting Six or yes, ain't batting, but I said, you know something when you get to the future, it's always normal, it always feels normal when you get to the future, yeah, no matter how different it was from the past. The moment you get there and you're and. \n\nI go back to your, the Jerry Spence line, that every second we're feeling out what's coming next. Okay, and so it's not like you suddenly went from white to black or you went from light to dark and then you went through infinite little second by second, gradations of adjusting yourself to a new set of circumstances. \n\nYeah, yeah, yeah you are absolutely right and that's, you've closed down your thinking and you're not taking in the new stuff. You know, I mean, that's also possible. And then you know, I say people, people sense that something's changing in different ways. Some people, some people. All you need is to touch their head with a feather and they say oh, something new is happening. \n\nSome people. \n\nDan Sullivan\nyou need a sledgehammer and some people need a Mack truck. \n\nDean Jackson\nYes, exactly Wow. \n\nYeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nBut the big thing is that I'm super sensitive, you know, to changes of circumstances or something I notice is out of place or something's happening. And I get that sense about the whole world right now. \n\nAnd I think you know I'm very influenced by Peter Zion's take that we've been living in essentially an artificial world since the end of the Second World War and it's been overseen by one country and its military just to keep trade routes reliable and on time. And now that country's decided that they've done that for enough and they don't want to do that anymore and they want to get back to their own affairs. And everything vibrates and shakes just because of that one decision. Yeah. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, that really is. I mean, you look at it, you think about it since the, it's true, right Since the. You know, I often think back then to that, the big change, the book from 1950. \n\nAnd. \n\nDean Jackson\nI think if we were to look at the you know, the big change from you know, 1973 to 2023, that's been, that's really you think about all of the changes that are going to take place. And what I really wonder is are we entering into another phase of the period from you know, 1950 to 1980 where there's not a lot of, where it's more of a normalization? Right by 1950, what you were saying is it feels normal. By 1950, it felt normal that you have electricity and radio and you go to the movies, and you've got TV now and you've got an automobile and you're living in the suburbs and we're flying on planes and everybody's got a telephone. All those things felt probably normal. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWhy was it that I was in 1950 and felt normal to me? Felt normal to me Exactly, yeah. \n\nDean Jackson\nSo you didn't feel the sense of why, then, how it was to go from, you know, not having these things to having them, and you enjoyed that 30 year period where, I mean, what would you call the difference between you know, like, do you buy into that premise that from 1950 to 1980, there weren't the same level of changes from 1900 to 1950, or was it just a mass of migrations? \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, I mean you can take cars, for example you know, Cars were kind of stylish up until about the early 50s and then they started taking on this very, very conforming they you know, they got a lot longer, they got a lot bigger and they were like rodeoids. \n\nDean Jackson\nRight, right, exactly they can't. \n\nDan Sullivan\nand that continued and meanwhile they were getting blindsided. In the 60s I probably started low in the 50s with Volkswagen, but then you started getting these really small sort of stylish imported cars, you know as they came over. And then they really got their clock cleaned in the 70s, you know, but there was. I mean you don't look back at that period, 1950 to 1980, as a particularly stylish or the only one I can think of that, and they really stuck to. \n\ntheir look was Corvette, corvette came in around 54, I think 1954 is when it came in. \n\nAnd it was, and Thunderbird came in at the same time. This was Ford. You know Chevy was Corvette and Ford was the Thunderbird, and then Thunderbird went all over the place. You know it changed every and then it disappeared and then they brought it back. But the Corvette if you look at a Corvette for this year 2023, and you look back at the original Corvette, you can see that this is the same car with numerous, you know, technological changes. But no, it's very definitely a Corvette today and it was a Corvette back there. \n\nThey've made the only American car that I can think of that maintained its look over that long period of time, but it was great. It was great to begin with and they didn't screw it up, you know. But planes, you know. 1950s, you were already when the first 707, the first well, you had the DeHavilland comet. \n\nThat was the British plane, was the first real no worthy, and that was around 1950. And they could do 550 miles an hour. And they do 550 miles an hour. Well, they still don't do that because that's the optimum speed for the combination of fuel, passengers, cargo, and that is 550, you know, I gotcha, yeah, but I think you're right, I think you're really right. And computers were coming in, but they weren't a big deal in 1980 yet, right. \n\nDean Jackson\nExactly, there was the beginning of them. It was like you either. If you were looking back now, like on it, if you were paying attention, you would have seen the seed of everything was kind of getting into position. The transition from mainframe to personal computing. That was a big thing but it took a while to you know. It took another decade to get to that level. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, really, television was still the trade networks. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's exactly it. I mean from 1950 to 1980, it was really just the three networks and that's where everybody had a very homogenous experience. You know everybody watched the same. You know I love Lucy and Guns Most. Ed Sullivan Show. \n\nDan Sullivan\nEd. \n\nDean Jackson\nSullivan Show Exactly. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, yeah. \n\nDean Jackson\nSo when the Beatles came, all they had to do was be in one place. \n\nYeah. \n\nDean Jackson\nAnd on the Ed Sullivan Show they're automatically a rantic. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYou could see it in music too. Yeah, If you look at the last 10 years, let's say, of the biggest grossing concert tours, they're all guys, mostly guys who are in their 70s. \n\nBecause they became famous. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThey became famous when there was a national audience. Yes, that's right, there's not a national audience for any particular star these days. \n\nDean Jackson\nWell, that's where I was going with this that there is, in a way, that YouTube. Is that now for the new generations, right, like they're growing up? The kids that grew up now they all know who Mr Beast is, they all know Casey Neistat, they all know the top YouTube star way more than television. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWell, here's a question I have for you, though. What I noticed is that there was a continuity between the generations, in other words, that when Elvis came on, people in their 50s saw Elvis, people at five saw Elvis on the. Ed. \n\nDean Jackson\nSullivan Show. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI don't think you have this cross generation awareness of great stars. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's true. That's exactly right, because nobody, not everybody's gathered around the television with their TV dinners watching the same shows all three generations and one now watching them with the kids and the parents and the grandparents. Oh, what are we going to watch on television tonight? They're often in the room with their iPods and their phones looking at their own individual, everybody's their own individual. Entertainment director. Dopamine dealer. \n\nYeah, it's interesting. \n\nDan Sullivan\nMy sense and here I'm kind of interpreting the predictions that Peter Zion is making about the way the world's going to go on the future it's actually going to look quite a bit like the world looked like before the First World War, so back in 1914. So what he says is. \n\nThere's now going to be regional markets and regional political alliances. He gives a series of examples of that Anywhere that the US pulls its military out of, and the first area where the US has pulled its military out of is the Middle East. There's no presence of the US military in the Eastern Mediterranean or the Red. \n\nDean Jackson\nSea. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThe reason is the US is self-sufficient for oil. They're completely self-sufficient for oil and gas. The US is the lead exporter now of fossil fuels. \n\nI think, that's why the rest of the all of a sudden, there's this anti-fossil fuel movement. I mean it's one of the reasons. There's never one reason for anything. It's always a confluence of different forces. But the US was just doubled down on the Middle East because they needed the oil. The economy needed the oil, the world that they traded with needed the oil, so they had to protect the sources of oil. But fracking fracking is one of the great breakthroughs. They can get fuel out of the rocks and it's really good oil. It's really. I mean, it looks like baby oil when it comes out. It's like Johnson's baby oil. It's the purest, cleanest oil in the world because it's just oil. There's no grime and dirt and everything that comes up with it, just the oil comes up and then the gas comes along with it. \n\nAnd that changed the world. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI mean that just utterly changed the world. There's one event in the last 30 years, since the Soviet collapse, that changed the world. It was the fracking, the American fracking revolution and Texas Permian basis, because once the US doesn't need anybody else's fossil fuels, then they rethink their entire military, they rethink their entire political, they rethink their entire economic view towards the world and they're the spoon that stirs the global soup. Yeah, so I think that was a huge change and I think that a lot of the changes that are taking place right now are a function of that breakthrough. Because it's a transportation breakthrough, because you saw all you want about electricity those freighters aren't electric. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's true, but it's funny, the US military the staples are nuclear submarines and ships that can go forever. \n\nDan Sullivan\nSeven years, seven years without I think the subs are seven years. The aircraft carriers, I think, are about the same and they've had no killing accidents with those since 1953. So it's 70 years. \n\nThey've had crises, but nobody's been killed. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThere's been no radiation and I think that's coming back in a big way. I think that they've Mike Wanler, who is a free zone terrific guy from Wyoming, and he's in the process of manufacturing these little micro reactors. I mean, people think of a nuclear reactor and that looks like the Taj Mahal, it looks like the US capital, it's like with huge smoke stacks. These are the size of a standard carrier box. \n\nSo if you think they're 40 feet or 20 feet, the ones that go on board ship or they're on trains or they're on semis, and this is about 40 feet, so you can walk into it. It's probably about six feet, six feet by six, eight feet by eight feet. I don't know what the dimensions are exactly, but and it's a nuke, it's a little nuclear station. They use spent nuclear. \n\nThey use this spent nuclear fuel or they have a new kind of salt compound that they use. So think of it. You're building a factory, like outside there's a lot of factories. I see the area north of Toronto now the number of warehouses and factories that are going in. They're immense. Up the 404 and up the 400. \n\nDean Jackson\nAnd anyway. \n\nDan Sullivan\nBut the US is going. Us, Canada, mexico are going through a huge reindustrialization with new factories. But you're outside the city and you got a farm line. You got 600 acres of land and you built a factory on it. What you do is you bring in the little nuclear power plant first, and then the entire energy that's needed for building the factory is supplied by that little nuclear plant. \n\nAnd then when it's built, the nuclear plant powers the factory and it's manufacturing thing, and you don't go to the grid at all. You don't have to pull any electricity from the grid at all. \n\nDean Jackson\nWow, that's a big deal. Totally self-contained, it is a big deal. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, you're putting in a new housing development, I think it's north of Las Vegas they're building a new 100,000 person city. It's called the Galaxy City. It has put a nuclear, it has put in three or four of these little nuclear plants into it and you don't have to. You build the houses, you build the stores, you build the businesses, you build everything, but it comes from the little nuclear plant. \n\nI think that's breakthrough. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI think that's a breakthrough. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, and that's the model of it, I guess, in process right now. \n\nYeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, actually, paul Van Dijn, who's a FreeZone member, has got the complete engineering contract for that new city. \n\nWow. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, these are amazing times, you know, like I think. But, they're completely normal. What does it look like now in a normalized world where you can literally go? \n\nDan Sullivan\nanywhere you tell people this sort of thing, they say, oh, that's interesting, that's interesting yeah. \n\nYeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYankees went last night. \n\nRight exactly. Oh. \n\nDan Sullivan\nTaylor Swift. Taylor Swift, you know she's got 150 million hours. Now they're having trouble getting ticket story concerts now and they're stealing the pirating live stream from her concerts and I said, oh, that's interesting. Yeah, that's pretty cool. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, I wonder. You know the? So if that is true, then if we're in a stage right now- where you know. I mean Cloudlandia is, less than you know, viably, 25 years old in the first 25 years of it here. Everything, all of these things are normalized here. If we equate right now 2023 with 1953 kind of thing that all the infrastructure of the big factories innovation wave. \n\nAll of that was in place. We had, you know, radio, television, automobiles, movies, all of that. Whowhat's the similar playbook for thriving in this? You know, next 25 years? Where it's not, you know, I think. If you look at AI, I don't see anything on the horizon that is as big an innovation, possibly, as what the Internet and all of that has brought for us. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, because AI is only meaningful because of the Internet. \n\nDean Jackson\nRight, it's. I think the pinnacle achievement of the Internet is that we've gotten to a point where you know there's an artificial intelligence that knows everything that's happened on the Internet so far and can access. \n\nDan Sullivan\nNo it doesn't know anything that you want to find out. You can find out with a few prompts. \n\nYeah, I think that's it. \n\nDan Sullivan\nIt doesn't think. It doesn't feel, it doesn't understand it just smells like sardars. \n\nYeah, yeah, yeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI think that's a big deal. But you know, what really strikes me is the huge difference from the 1950s because I was, you know, fully active through that entire decade of the 1950s is that the way to succeed was to kind of be good at standardized, conforming activities where you were guaranteed employment. You were guaranteed you know, lifetime employment if you, you know, got into the right place, and it seems to me that that is 180 degrees changed. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, yeah, that there's now. \n\nDan Sullivan\nyou look, just be good at just just be good at nine word emails, that's right. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's the truth, isn't it? \n\nAnd that's it. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, or little more creative new book every quarter. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, so I think, what's going to be fun is to, you know, track the zeitgeist with your, with your trail of 90 minute books. That's kind of a you know how many is this? Now, which one is this? \n\nDan Sullivan\nThis is the one. The one you're reading is 34. And, and I'm just getting to the final stages of the 35. I do it by quarters, so it's quarter 34, book 34. And this is quarter 35. I did, I started on my um in my right, you know, within six months after my 70th birthday, and I said, you know, next 25 years, I think I'll write a hundred books. \n\nA hundred books, yeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah and uh, so I'm, I'm on track, you know, and um, but the the thing about it is is that, um, and we had the conversations back then of how fast you could, you know, turn out a book, and we had a little one week contest where we both created a book and one week, and you know, and uh, and and so the the whole point is that it's just a quarterly process, you know, as part of the it's just normalized. \n\nFor a lot of people, writing a book is the scariest, scariest project of their, of their life, you know you know, right, yeah, um, uh, you know. On their gravestones says didn't get the book finished. \n\nRight, I mean you know, or uh, we're on chapter 38. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI said well, I saw that problem, just make each chapter a book. \n\nYeah, right, exactly. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, so the, I think the um thing is. But think about 1950. I couldn't even conceive of how you could turn out a book like that, you know yeah you know, it's all internet based teamwork. I mean, everything I do is internet. I've been cartoonist. I see him about once a year, you know personally. He lives in Prince Edward Island and, uh, the smallest of the Canadian provinces. Uh, way out, way out of these kind of Cape Coddage type of place. \n\nAnd you know and I see him. He's in Scotland. He's living for Scotland for two weeks tomorrow, so we'll have a little interruption. But uh, you know it's all on the internet he's, and zoom has been a wonderful breakthrough, you know. Yeah, he can actually draw the pictures. \n\nDean Jackson\nDo you um? Do you storyboard the, the cartoons, or talk about what, what you're seeing for them? \n\nDan Sullivan\nNo no no, he just gets the rate on. You know, he gives a page on zoom so we're off to the side. You know our two little pictures are up to the side. \n\nAnd then he draws the two page outline, because there are always two pages in the book format. And then he we say you know, I think this starts in the center. I says I think something in the center and I think it's a person and the one thing we uh, at a certain point we just didn't pay any attention to the galley in the middle the you know the separation of the two pages we just treated it as a single page and that was a great right. \n\nExactly, and then we um uh I have a fast filter that I've created laying out what the chapter headings are and what the context of the chapter is, and then we read it through and I talked to him and I said, okay, so what's this look like? You know what's this look like. You know where's it start. Where's the center of action? Yeah, center is a lower left hand corner, is it? And yeah, if you look through the cartoons to this one, you'll notice that the real energetic center of the cartoon moves around. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, yes, I love it. I mean, I'm looking at the. Nobody's in charge, you're completely free with the, the arrows in the path and it's just. Yeah, I like that idea of just treating the whole two pages as one. Yeah, one thing that makes sense, yeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nAnd if you um said to people you don't mind the separation between the pages and the middle because you have to do that for the book, and I said, yeah, I don't know they're, they're, they're. Their mind has eliminated that separating thing down the center of the human brain. Yeah, treats it as one thing you know. And I said oh no there's a separation down the middle of every cartoon picture and I said really, and I said yeah, look. And they said, oh my, I never saw it. Right, that's great yeah. \n\nDean Jackson\nIt's very obvious in the what the world is made up by you. Yeah, just big circle. But as you're looking at it, it looks like one one thing I like this I'm, you know, I have a um, you got to have a wonderful designer who, uh, you know, can do these kind of things. It's so, uh, it's so nice to be able to articulate with words what you're looking for and have somebody be able to interpret that and deliver what you're looking for, you know. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWell, the interesting thing is, uh, t um, uh, we have two kind of artistic skills with Amish. Amish is Amish, mcdonald is my cartoonist name, and we've been working together now for you know long, long time, you know. But the other thing that's happened is the technology has gotten so good, okay, and uh, we were just finishing one off before he took off for Scotland and literally um, dean, I could say I said okay, let's put that into the complete color spectrum, and he hit a button and the whole background was a complete color, you know, sort of like a. It went from the colors of the spectrum and but it was sort of a continuous change. \n\nYou know, it wasn't right, uh, separate colors. And I said, okay, now uh, the characters here. I said let's move the characters around a little, and he moved them around and everything like that. And I can remember first working with my first computer artist back in 1990, let's say, and the changes that Hamish and I just made in about. I would say two minutes would take two and a half days. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, and that amazing right. \n\nDan Sullivan\nChip speed and the great capabilities of software, you know, yeah, and it's. I mean it just goes together. I mean we used to, we used to take about um, I would say it would take about three days, three days of three, the three days work to get a cartoon done, and now we do the storyboard and he checks in the next day and he's got it almost completed. Artwork. \n\nMm, hmm. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, so, uh, that's great, yeah, that's great. \n\nDan Sullivan\nAnd I think that's a I. You know the fact that he can do that, and uh actual intelligence right? Yeah Well, evan Ryan, who was one of our panel speakers on a, he's got a neat little book and we're going to send it out. Maybe you already have it, but it's called AI as a teammate. \n\nOkay, and uh, he's putting our entire company, 130 of our team members, through uh starting in September, and it's six modules, two hours each, and all they do is analyze their work between what's their unique ability and what shouldn't. Somebody else could do, so anything a who can do. Then you find the AI who, who can actually do it without having to hire another person. \n\nDean Jackson\nOh, nice, I mean. So that's yeah, talking about being able to for people to uh multiply, you know yeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah. But he says, uh, people freak out about this word AI. He says zoom is AI. He said the internet is the AI. He said you know all the programs you use on the computer you know already from you, know from Apple or from ours are mostly Apple, you know in design is artificial intelligence. He says it's just automation. He says don't talk about artificial intelligence. He says it's just automated. \n\nOkay A machine function can do what a person used to be able to do. He says that's all that it is. And he said you know, that's been going on for a long time. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, well, and you still have to just think about what you're trying to do. Yeah, you still have to understand what the outcome you want. \n\nYeah, yeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah. \n\nYeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThat's the big skill. \n\nDean Jackson\nThe big skill is being able to identify what you want. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, yeah, that is the skill of skills that is. That is that is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. \n\nHow many years? \n\nDean Jackson\ndid you do that every day? You said, well, it wouldn't be the same without our appearance from theory. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, Well, it just shows you that you know that there's real progress to be made in that field, Anyway, anyway, yeah, I did 25 years. \n\nDean Jackson\nI have 25 years every day. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWhat do I want? \n\nEvery day for except for 12. \n\nDan Sullivan\nSo there's 9,131 days and 25 years. And I did it 9,119 days and you know and and and and. What I got really good at over that period is just, in any situation, kind of knowing what I want, you know and and and. The one thing I cut off of you know I want this and the next. If you wrote that down for an AI program, they'd say the next word is because. And I said I just leave the because off because I want the truth, because is some sort of fiction. I'm making it up to make it. \n\nEverything is made up. Yeah, yeah, everything is made up, yeah. And so so I got real good at that and, you know, my life changed from the first day to the 25th day. My life really changed. Coach came into existence, my partnership with Babs came into existence, strategies, strategy circle, and then a whole bunch of other tools came into existence, you know. So, yeah, it's a great skill. I mean, if you know, if, how would these? \n\nDean Jackson\nis there? What were the? Were there any particular prompts? Let's call it in modern terms that you would use or or no, I just I would go through that process yeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWell, I just had to do this every day. You know that that was I committed myself. I had just gone through a divorce and a bankruptcy on the same day, in August of 1978. \n\nAnd I said you know, the only way I'm going to come to grips with this is to take total responsibility for what's happened up until now. So no blaming anyone else, no saying and no going back and reworking it. If only I had done. I said, let's just accept it, that and that I wasn't. And I said, I came to the conclusion all that bad stuff had happened because I wasn't telling myself what I wanted. Okay, I was expecting other people to tell me what. \n\nDean Jackson\nI wanted and. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI said so next 25 years, I'm just going to get really good at telling myself what I actually want and that's it. That's. That was the only requirement and it could be a set it had to be at least a sentence. It could be a whole page, it could be two pages, but it had to be at least a sentence once a day, and I just did it for. I just did it for. I had notebook after notebook after notebook after notebook. \n\nAnd yeah and we had a flood, you know, in our business last August and all these files were in the basement. \n\nThat got flooded and disrupted and they're all gone all the, all the files, all my notes are gone and I feel so, and I feel so freed up. Right right. \n\nDan Sullivan\nDid you ever? Look at those Did you ever. \n\nNo no, never went back and the and the reason is it was the skill. \n\nDan Sullivan\nit was the skill I was developing. That wasn't what I wrote down, Right yeah. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, yeah, this is that's really but we went to Matt. \n\nDan Sullivan\nif I hadn't done that, I wouldn't never been in position to me to Because you never would have started strategic coach or never would have gotten off the ground, started looking for certain kinds of people. \n\nRight. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYou being one of them. Well, I'm glad you're here I wanted someone who is incredibly smart, and if only he'd apply himself. \n\nDean Jackson\nAnd a lot of them. You want a lot of those people. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, and money comes easy, money comes easy. Yeah, the great ones, and once they have a purpose, the money flows, yeah. So anyway, I got to jump early because I have a little bit of a question, Okay my friend Daniel Wait in about five minutes but real pleasure. Yeah, thanks for the feedback on the geometry book. You know, this one surprised me. You know, this one caught me by surprise. \n\nDean Jackson\nWell, it's fantastic, like I was curious what it was going to be about. You know, when you look at the, just the title geometry for staying cool and calm. And now, as I look through the content, this is my. I'm going to pretend I'm hopping on a flight to Chicago right now. Yeah, toronto, and read the whole book in one hour. That's my, that's my next hour right now, yeah, good. \n\nDan Sullivan\nAlrighty. I got a question yeah, thank you very much. \n\nDean Jackson\nNext week I'm good. Okay, good, me too. \n\nDan Sullivan\nBye, okay, bye. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn this episode of Cloudlandia, we navigate the intriguing notion that our world as we know it is entirely constructed by individuals just like us. From the mundane aspects of traffic rules to the profound sacred texts influencing civilizations, it\u0026#39;s all the product of the human mind.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul style=\"list-style-type: circle;\"\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eThe world as we know it is entirely constructed by individuals like us, with everything from traffic rules to profound sacred texts being the product of the human mind.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eThe art of argument is discussed, with insights from Jerry Spence's enlightening book. The best argument won is one that doesn't feel like a fight.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eThey explore the perception of change and how a single country's decision can shift the global landscape. Embracing change and moving fluidly in a world in constant flux is important.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDean and Dan take a nostalgic trip through the transformative era of 1950 to 1980, discussing the assimilation of technological advancements like electricity, radio, television, cars, planes, and telephones.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eExploration of the future of entertainment includes pondering whether YouTube could be the new generational torchbearer for cross-generational awareness of stars.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eThe evolution of work is discussed, including the importance of strategic coaching in achieving success. The right people can make a world of difference. It's not just about working hard, but also about working smart.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eThey explore how everything is made up by specific individuals, including the fear that gripped society at the advent of automobiles and how we've evolved to take speed for granted.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eThey discuss the importance of winning arguments and how the best way to win is to not make it feel like an argument. It also explores how people perceive change differently.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eThe podcast compares the 1950s and the present day in terms of success, discussing how quickly a book can be produced now, thanks to the internet and Zoom. 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We\u0026#39;re being recorded, that\u0026#39;s right. Welcome, always welcome. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWelcome to cloudland here, that\u0026#39;s right. We\u0026#39;re, we\u0026#39;re always recording. Well we\u0026#39;re always Everything is recorded. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, nobody\u0026#39;s in charge, and and life\u0026#39;s not fair. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nExactly right. I\u0026#39;m holding in my hand my Geometry for staying cool and calm book yeah it\u0026#39;s very exciting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, this one has gotten Kind of surprising to me anyway. Just, it sort of clicks. Those three things seem to do some Mental geometry, you know, when you put the three of them together as a triangle. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI love it and the I was once the cartoons like that\u0026#39;s my. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know my process for reading the book is. I like I open up the inside cover and I see the overview of the Graphical overview within cartoons and tells you the whole Everything you need to know, kind of just looking at it. I love this guessing and betting. It\u0026#39;s very good. Then I go to the contents and I look at the titles of Chapters and I\u0026#39;m very interested in, and haven\u0026#39;t gotten to yet, chapter 750 out of 8 billion. I\u0026#39;m not sure what that\u0026#39;s, the cops. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYet but, then I go and I read the headlines, the chapters and the. You know your opening statements that you say about them. So, chapter one everything\u0026#39;s made up. You realize that everything in the world is always made up by specific individuals. And then I skip to the cartoons, mm-hmm in between the chapters that I look at those and I see the Yep. Gandhi was making it up, confucius was making it up. Everybody seems to be that. They\u0026#39;ve been making it up since the beginning of time, right to three to today. Yeah, I\u0026#39;m making it up. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI love it. You\u0026#39;re making it? Yeah, we, we\u0026#39;ve been making it up. This whole thing got made up. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, but the interesting thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI mean, the interesting thing is that I have people say well, you know what about, like sacred books? And I said well, I said, and they said aren\u0026#39;t they divinely inspired? And I said, yeah, they\u0026#39;re a finally inspired, but it takes somebody to write them down. Right, Right then you and you, and you hope you hope they got it right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, yeah, but what it does is, I notice in the I just brought it up as a talking point in maybe five or six workshops, both free zone, in ten times and you can see people they have this almost like little mental jolt. They get a jolt and they say, wow, that\u0026#39;s true, isn\u0026#39;t? I said, yeah, so you can make things up, so you\u0026#39;re freed up to make anything. I said everybody else does it, why don\u0026#39;t you do it? And then nobody\u0026#39;s in charge. And they said, well, what\u0026#39;s in charge? I said rules are in charge. We make up rules and you know, send every situation, if people are cooperating and doing things together, make they make up rules. You know, not not necessarily at one time, but they gradually put up a set of rules. You know, if we approach things this way, things work. You know, think of traffic. You know think of if there were no rules. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nRight, exactly, that\u0026#39;s one of the frightening things about driving in India, say oh yeah, I was just thinking of India. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI mean, you don\u0026#39;t need brakes, you just need a horn. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd get quick reflexes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd and a lot of determination. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSensor. You\u0026#39;re right, you\u0026#39;re first and you\u0026#39;re right. These are all good things. Yeah, I was thinking about that one day. We were going, you know, on the Gardner Expressway in Toronto and we were, you know the traffic was flowing really, really quickly. You know it was 50 of these 50, you know 50 miles an hour and you know there were hundreds of cars In sight going both ways and I said, if you took somebody in time, traveled them back a century, back to 1923, and you put them in this situation, they, they would go catatonic in about 60 seconds. Just the Motion, yeah, yeah, and but we take it completely normal. And what normalizes it? We know, we know everybody else knows the rules. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, I understood. I Think I remember reading that people when automobiles were first getting started, that people there was fear that your brain might explode at speed. Oh yeah, 30 miles an hour. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSpeaker 1\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, well, and I think that there\u0026#39;s. I Don\u0026#39;t think that was a stupid worry, you know, we just had never, experienced. Nobody had ever experienced speed like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, yeah, and I think one of the attractions of Maritime travel, let\u0026#39;s say, two or three centuries ago, like one of those sailing ships with full sails and, you know, properly constructed, you know the whole structure of the boat was meant for speed and you know they could get up to, you know, if they had a tide with them and they have current with them and everything else, they get up to 30 miles an hour. You know, at some speeds, you know, and this were sailing ships, you know, and that must have been extraordinarily thrilling to. That was about it, for you know, all of human history, up until trains. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nHorses, I guess I mean. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThink about probably about 30 horses, horses probably about 30, you know, they would be. They would be that that fast and you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut then all of a sudden, geez, you know, you know they were getting in. And from the Wright brothers, in 1903, I think, the Wright brothers, their first flight, you know, which lasted about 15 seconds, and and to Even the second world war, at the end of the war, they were introducing jets that could fly 500, 450, 500 miles an hour. Let\u0026#39;s just yeah. But we\u0026#39;ve just showed you that the human brain adjusted these things, we normalize. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, you know, Well, number one skills that humans have is we can normalize new situations really quite quickly. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s true. People saying you know this, all this AI stuff, yeah, I don\u0026#39;t think our brains. So I said we\u0026#39;ll normalize it just like we did anything else, you know we will normalize it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIt\u0026#39;s so. It\u0026#39;s so true. I\u0026#39;ve been getting, I\u0026#39;ve been seeing a lot of you know, what I wouldn\u0026#39;t call AI enabled. You know, you know I\u0026#39;ve been seeing a lot of AI content or outreach, and you can. I was thinking about Jerry Spence and he wrote a great book called how to Argue and Win Every Time, and he said that our brains are equipped with psychic tentacles that are reaching out and testing everything for truth and realness and congruence, and these psychic tentacles can detect what he calls the sin clank of the counterfeit. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI thought that\u0026#39;s the truth. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYou could tell that something was not written by a person. Yeah, I mean, on my birthday there was a company party for me. They do it all the time. Usually they lied to me in some way to think it\u0026#39;s something else, and there\u0026#39;s this big party. When they put it in your schedule, they\u0026#39;re not gonna have to lie, and so, anyway, I go in and there\u0026#39;s, this person gets up and, on behalf of the company, gives this very, very flattering talk about me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I could tell she was five seconds into it, this chat, gpt, I could just tell. So afterwards I went up to her and I said, did you get a little art of AI help with that? And she said, yeah, I did a show. And I said, yeah, right, and you know, what\u0026#39;s missing is that we have a feel that there\u0026#39;s a heart there, there\u0026#39;s a mind there, there\u0026#39;s a soul there when it\u0026#39;s human. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWhat do you know? You know what one of the what I take as one of the highest compliments I\u0026#39;ve ever received about an email that I sent is Kim White said to me, or Daniel said to me, that you know. He says I know that these emails that you\u0026#39;re sending are sent to thousands of people, but when I got it I always think it feels like you\u0026#39;re speaking right to me and that was really that was really something you know. As a guy who\u0026#39;s a energy plumber worker, you know whose whole thing is being coming into energy, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, it\u0026#39;s really interesting. We went to see we\u0026#39;re in Chicago today and Joe and Eunice and Mike Koenigs were here early, so they come in for Monday and Tuesday, but they came in yesterday and then Daniel White was with us and we went down to the theater to see personality because Joe hadn\u0026#39;t seen it and the others hadn\u0026#39;t seen it and there was an extraordinary actress in this play, or I don\u0026#39;t know her last name, but her first name is Alexandria, and she plays the role of Lloyd Price\u0026#39;s wife and she turns out to be a complete and total scammer. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eLike she\u0026#39;s getting them for his money, she\u0026#39;s getting them for his celebrity and everything like that, and when he goes through rough times she gives him a rough time, you know, and anyway and then later on. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eshe plays a completely different person who seems great. That\u0026#39;s actually the person depicted in the play is Bertha Franklin, who is the, who is the older sister of Bertha Franklin, okay, and she seems this great hit to actually Janice Joplin became famous for her called A Piece of my Heart, and she just knocks it out. And then afterwards I meet her and it turns out she\u0026#39;s 19 years old. You know, she\u0026#39;s 19 years old and she\u0026#39;s easily portraying someone in their 30s, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd as an actress, as a singer, the way she moves and everything, you get a sense that she\u0026#39;s you know. And but I was introduced to her by Jeff Mattoff, who was the producer and writer of the play, and I said I wanna pay you a compliment and I said I want you to know how much I totally disliked you as the play won you. Just, we\u0026#39;re just a horrible person. And she said, oh, oh, thank you very much. That feels so great. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat feels great that you I love it, I love it yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBecause she was supposed to. I mean, that\u0026#39;s it calls for her. To be that type of person and she nailed it, but she\u0026#39;s 19,. You know she\u0026#39;s 19 years old and it was really quite you know, but you really, I mean I, but I spotted her from the moment she came on stage. This is a scammer. I can tell this person is a scammer. You know, oh, that\u0026#39;s amazing, but I do think you\u0026#39;re going back to the jury spent comment that you made. I\u0026#39;m gonna read that book. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI\u0026#39;m always interested in winning. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI\u0026#39;m always interested in winning an argument, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, yeah, no, I would highly recommend. I mean, I tried to avoid. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI tried to avoid them, but I said you know I can\u0026#39;t avoid them, I wanna win. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, and this is he\u0026#39;s talking and this is like it\u0026#39;s like one of my top five wisdom books ever, like it\u0026#39;s, I think, one of the biggest impacts on me and his. Of course, you know who Jerry is the attorney, yeah, yeah, yeah, it\u0026#39;s a defendant of Mel DeMarco\u0026#39;s and the whole thing\u0026#39;s never lost a case and the. You know he thinks in the proactive thing about. You know he\u0026#39;s using argument in the sense of your idea. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou\u0026#39;re more persuasive, what you\u0026#39;re more persuasive. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYou\u0026#39;re a person. That\u0026#39;s what the lawyers make an argument. What\u0026#39;s your argument for your idea? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ehere no. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd this is how he\u0026#39;s presenting things, and it\u0026#39;s just been such a such an amazing, such an amazing thing, so I would highly recommend it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI\u0026#39;ve never experienced Dean Jacksonin an argument but, maybe it\u0026#39;s all argument. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIt\u0026#39;s all argument. That\u0026#39;s what he\u0026#39;s saying. That\u0026#39;s exactly right, the best way to win is to win. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nActually, you\u0026#39;ve never seen Dean when he wasn\u0026#39;t arguing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s right. That\u0026#39;s it feels like that\u0026#39;s the point of it. It\u0026#39;s the best way to win an argument is to not make it feel like you\u0026#39;re in an argument. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIt\u0026#39;s just, you\u0026#39;re in normal experience. Yeah, right, yeah, but the thing of normalizing. Peter DM Monace and I had a podcast about three weeks ago and he was talking about the future and everything else. I said you know one thing I\u0026#39;ve noticed? I said and I\u0026#39;ve got I\u0026#39;m closing in on 80 years of dealing with the future. You know probably didn\u0026#39;t yeah, really. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know probably didn\u0026#39;t really have it as a mental capacity 80 years of guessing and batting Six or yes, ain\u0026#39;t batting, but I said, you know something when you get to the future, it\u0026#39;s always normal, it always feels normal when you get to the future, yeah, no matter how different it was from the past. The moment you get there and you\u0026#39;re and. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI go back to your, the Jerry Spence line, that every second we\u0026#39;re feeling out what\u0026#39;s coming next. Okay, and so it\u0026#39;s not like you suddenly went from white to black or you went from light to dark and then you went through infinite little second by second, gradations of adjusting yourself to a new set of circumstances. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, yeah, yeah you are absolutely right and that\u0026#39;s, you\u0026#39;ve closed down your thinking and you\u0026#39;re not taking in the new stuff. You know, I mean, that\u0026#39;s also possible. And then you know, I say people, people sense that something\u0026#39;s changing in different ways. Some people, some people. All you need is to touch their head with a feather and they say oh, something new is happening. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSome people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nyou need a sledgehammer and some people need a Mack truck. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYes, exactly Wow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBut the big thing is that I\u0026#39;m super sensitive, you know, to changes of circumstances or something I notice is out of place or something\u0026#39;s happening. And I get that sense about the whole world right now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I think you know I\u0026#39;m very influenced by Peter Zion\u0026#39;s take that we\u0026#39;ve been living in essentially an artificial world since the end of the Second World War and it\u0026#39;s been overseen by one country and its military just to keep trade routes reliable and on time. And now that country\u0026#39;s decided that they\u0026#39;ve done that for enough and they don\u0026#39;t want to do that anymore and they want to get back to their own affairs. And everything vibrates and shakes just because of that one decision. Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, that really is. I mean, you look at it, you think about it since the, it\u0026#39;s true, right Since the. You know, I often think back then to that, the big change, the book from 1950. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI think if we were to look at the you know, the big change from you know, 1973 to 2023, that\u0026#39;s been, that\u0026#39;s really you think about all of the changes that are going to take place. And what I really wonder is are we entering into another phase of the period from you know, 1950 to 1980 where there\u0026#39;s not a lot of, where it\u0026#39;s more of a normalization? Right by 1950, what you were saying is it feels normal. By 1950, it felt normal that you have electricity and radio and you go to the movies, and you\u0026#39;ve got TV now and you\u0026#39;ve got an automobile and you\u0026#39;re living in the suburbs and we\u0026#39;re flying on planes and everybody\u0026#39;s got a telephone. All those things felt probably normal. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWhy was it that I was in 1950 and felt normal to me? Felt normal to me Exactly, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSo you didn\u0026#39;t feel the sense of why, then, how it was to go from, you know, not having these things to having them, and you enjoyed that 30 year period where, I mean, what would you call the difference between you know, like, do you buy into that premise that from 1950 to 1980, there weren\u0026#39;t the same level of changes from 1900 to 1950, or was it just a mass of migrations? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, I mean you can take cars, for example you know, Cars were kind of stylish up until about the early 50s and then they started taking on this very, very conforming they you know, they got a lot longer, they got a lot bigger and they were like rodeoids. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nRight, right, exactly they can\u0026#39;t. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nand that continued and meanwhile they were getting blindsided. In the 60s I probably started low in the 50s with Volkswagen, but then you started getting these really small sort of stylish imported cars, you know as they came over. And then they really got their clock cleaned in the 70s, you know, but there was. I mean you don\u0026#39;t look back at that period, 1950 to 1980, as a particularly stylish or the only one I can think of that, and they really stuck to. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003etheir look was Corvette, corvette came in around 54, I think 1954 is when it came in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd it was, and Thunderbird came in at the same time. This was Ford. You know Chevy was Corvette and Ford was the Thunderbird, and then Thunderbird went all over the place. You know it changed every and then it disappeared and then they brought it back. But the Corvette if you look at a Corvette for this year 2023, and you look back at the original Corvette, you can see that this is the same car with numerous, you know, technological changes. But no, it\u0026#39;s very definitely a Corvette today and it was a Corvette back there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey\u0026#39;ve made the only American car that I can think of that maintained its look over that long period of time, but it was great. It was great to begin with and they didn\u0026#39;t screw it up, you know. But planes, you know. 1950s, you were already when the first 707, the first well, you had the DeHavilland comet. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat was the British plane, was the first real no worthy, and that was around 1950. And they could do 550 miles an hour. And they do 550 miles an hour. Well, they still don\u0026#39;t do that because that\u0026#39;s the optimum speed for the combination of fuel, passengers, cargo, and that is 550, you know, I gotcha, yeah, but I think you\u0026#39;re right, I think you\u0026#39;re really right. And computers were coming in, but they weren\u0026#39;t a big deal in 1980 yet, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nExactly, there was the beginning of them. It was like you either. If you were looking back now, like on it, if you were paying attention, you would have seen the seed of everything was kind of getting into position. The transition from mainframe to personal computing. That was a big thing but it took a while to you know. It took another decade to get to that level. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, really, television was still the trade networks. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s exactly it. I mean from 1950 to 1980, it was really just the three networks and that\u0026#39;s where everybody had a very homogenous experience. You know everybody watched the same. You know I love Lucy and Guns Most. Ed Sullivan Show. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nEd. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSullivan Show Exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSo when the Beatles came, all they had to do was be in one place. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd on the Ed Sullivan Show they\u0026#39;re automatically a rantic. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYou could see it in music too. Yeah, If you look at the last 10 years, let\u0026#39;s say, of the biggest grossing concert tours, they\u0026#39;re all guys, mostly guys who are in their 70s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBecause they became famous. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThey became famous when there was a national audience. Yes, that\u0026#39;s right, there\u0026#39;s not a national audience for any particular star these days. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, that\u0026#39;s where I was going with this that there is, in a way, that YouTube. Is that now for the new generations, right, like they\u0026#39;re growing up? The kids that grew up now they all know who Mr Beast is, they all know Casey Neistat, they all know the top YouTube star way more than television. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, here\u0026#39;s a question I have for you, though. What I noticed is that there was a continuity between the generations, in other words, that when Elvis came on, people in their 50s saw Elvis, people at five saw Elvis on the. Ed. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSullivan Show. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI don\u0026#39;t think you have this cross generation awareness of great stars. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s true. That\u0026#39;s exactly right, because nobody, not everybody\u0026#39;s gathered around the television with their TV dinners watching the same shows all three generations and one now watching them with the kids and the parents and the grandparents. Oh, what are we going to watch on television tonight? They\u0026#39;re often in the room with their iPods and their phones looking at their own individual, everybody\u0026#39;s their own individual. Entertainment director. Dopamine dealer. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, it\u0026#39;s interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nMy sense and here I\u0026#39;m kind of interpreting the predictions that Peter Zion is making about the way the world\u0026#39;s going to go on the future it\u0026#39;s actually going to look quite a bit like the world looked like before the First World War, so back in 1914. So what he says is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere\u0026#39;s now going to be regional markets and regional political alliances. He gives a series of examples of that Anywhere that the US pulls its military out of, and the first area where the US has pulled its military out of is the Middle East. There\u0026#39;s no presence of the US military in the Eastern Mediterranean or the Red. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSea. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThe reason is the US is self-sufficient for oil. They\u0026#39;re completely self-sufficient for oil and gas. The US is the lead exporter now of fossil fuels. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI think, that\u0026#39;s why the rest of the all of a sudden, there\u0026#39;s this anti-fossil fuel movement. I mean it\u0026#39;s one of the reasons. There\u0026#39;s never one reason for anything. It\u0026#39;s always a confluence of different forces. But the US was just doubled down on the Middle East because they needed the oil. The economy needed the oil, the world that they traded with needed the oil, so they had to protect the sources of oil. But fracking fracking is one of the great breakthroughs. They can get fuel out of the rocks and it\u0026#39;s really good oil. It\u0026#39;s really. I mean, it looks like baby oil when it comes out. It\u0026#39;s like Johnson\u0026#39;s baby oil. It\u0026#39;s the purest, cleanest oil in the world because it\u0026#39;s just oil. There\u0026#39;s no grime and dirt and everything that comes up with it, just the oil comes up and then the gas comes along with it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd that changed the world. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI mean that just utterly changed the world. There\u0026#39;s one event in the last 30 years, since the Soviet collapse, that changed the world. It was the fracking, the American fracking revolution and Texas Permian basis, because once the US doesn\u0026#39;t need anybody else\u0026#39;s fossil fuels, then they rethink their entire military, they rethink their entire political, they rethink their entire economic view towards the world and they\u0026#39;re the spoon that stirs the global soup. Yeah, so I think that was a huge change and I think that a lot of the changes that are taking place right now are a function of that breakthrough. Because it\u0026#39;s a transportation breakthrough, because you saw all you want about electricity those freighters aren\u0026#39;t electric. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s true, but it\u0026#39;s funny, the US military the staples are nuclear submarines and ships that can go forever. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSeven years, seven years without I think the subs are seven years. The aircraft carriers, I think, are about the same and they\u0026#39;ve had no killing accidents with those since 1953. So it\u0026#39;s 70 years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey\u0026#39;ve had crises, but nobody\u0026#39;s been killed. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThere\u0026#39;s been no radiation and I think that\u0026#39;s coming back in a big way. I think that they\u0026#39;ve Mike Wanler, who is a free zone terrific guy from Wyoming, and he\u0026#39;s in the process of manufacturing these little micro reactors. I mean, people think of a nuclear reactor and that looks like the Taj Mahal, it looks like the US capital, it\u0026#39;s like with huge smoke stacks. These are the size of a standard carrier box. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo if you think they\u0026#39;re 40 feet or 20 feet, the ones that go on board ship or they\u0026#39;re on trains or they\u0026#39;re on semis, and this is about 40 feet, so you can walk into it. It\u0026#39;s probably about six feet, six feet by six, eight feet by eight feet. I don\u0026#39;t know what the dimensions are exactly, but and it\u0026#39;s a nuke, it\u0026#39;s a little nuclear station. They use spent nuclear. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey use this spent nuclear fuel or they have a new kind of salt compound that they use. So think of it. You\u0026#39;re building a factory, like outside there\u0026#39;s a lot of factories. I see the area north of Toronto now the number of warehouses and factories that are going in. They\u0026#39;re immense. Up the 404 and up the 400. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd anyway. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBut the US is going. Us, Canada, mexico are going through a huge reindustrialization with new factories. But you\u0026#39;re outside the city and you got a farm line. You got 600 acres of land and you built a factory on it. What you do is you bring in the little nuclear power plant first, and then the entire energy that\u0026#39;s needed for building the factory is supplied by that little nuclear plant. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then when it\u0026#39;s built, the nuclear plant powers the factory and it\u0026#39;s manufacturing thing, and you don\u0026#39;t go to the grid at all. You don\u0026#39;t have to pull any electricity from the grid at all. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWow, that\u0026#39;s a big deal. Totally self-contained, it is a big deal. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, you\u0026#39;re putting in a new housing development, I think it\u0026#39;s north of Las Vegas they\u0026#39;re building a new 100,000 person city. It\u0026#39;s called the Galaxy City. It has put a nuclear, it has put in three or four of these little nuclear plants into it and you don\u0026#39;t have to. You build the houses, you build the stores, you build the businesses, you build everything, but it comes from the little nuclear plant. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI think that\u0026#39;s breakthrough. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI think that\u0026#39;s a breakthrough. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, and that\u0026#39;s the model of it, I guess, in process right now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, actually, paul Van Dijn, who\u0026#39;s a FreeZone member, has got the complete engineering contract for that new city. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, these are amazing times, you know, like I think. But, they\u0026#39;re completely normal. What does it look like now in a normalized world where you can literally go? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nanywhere you tell people this sort of thing, they say, oh, that\u0026#39;s interesting, that\u0026#39;s interesting yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYankees went last night. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eRight exactly. Oh. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nTaylor Swift. Taylor Swift, you know she\u0026#39;s got 150 million hours. Now they\u0026#39;re having trouble getting ticket story concerts now and they\u0026#39;re stealing the pirating live stream from her concerts and I said, oh, that\u0026#39;s interesting. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s pretty cool. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, I wonder. You know the? So if that is true, then if we\u0026#39;re in a stage right now- where you know. I mean Cloudlandia is, less than you know, viably, 25 years old in the first 25 years of it here. Everything, all of these things are normalized here. If we equate right now 2023 with 1953 kind of thing that all the infrastructure of the big factories innovation wave. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAll of that was in place. We had, you know, radio, television, automobiles, movies, all of that. Whowhat\u0026#39;s the similar playbook for thriving in this? You know, next 25 years? Where it\u0026#39;s not, you know, I think. If you look at AI, I don\u0026#39;t see anything on the horizon that is as big an innovation, possibly, as what the Internet and all of that has brought for us. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, because AI is only meaningful because of the Internet. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nRight, it\u0026#39;s. I think the pinnacle achievement of the Internet is that we\u0026#39;ve gotten to a point where you know there\u0026#39;s an artificial intelligence that knows everything that\u0026#39;s happened on the Internet so far and can access. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nNo it doesn\u0026#39;t know anything that you want to find out. You can find out with a few prompts. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, I think that\u0026#39;s it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIt doesn\u0026#39;t think. It doesn\u0026#39;t feel, it doesn\u0026#39;t understand it just smells like sardars. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI think that\u0026#39;s a big deal. But you know, what really strikes me is the huge difference from the 1950s because I was, you know, fully active through that entire decade of the 1950s is that the way to succeed was to kind of be good at standardized, conforming activities where you were guaranteed employment. You were guaranteed you know, lifetime employment if you, you know, got into the right place, and it seems to me that that is 180 degrees changed. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, yeah, that there\u0026#39;s now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nyou look, just be good at just just be good at nine word emails, that\u0026#39;s right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s the truth, isn\u0026#39;t it? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd that\u0026#39;s it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, or little more creative new book every quarter. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, so I think, what\u0026#39;s going to be fun is to, you know, track the zeitgeist with your, with your trail of 90 minute books. That\u0026#39;s kind of a you know how many is this? Now, which one is this? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThis is the one. The one you\u0026#39;re reading is 34. And, and I\u0026#39;m just getting to the final stages of the 35. I do it by quarters, so it\u0026#39;s quarter 34, book 34. And this is quarter 35. I did, I started on my um in my right, you know, within six months after my 70th birthday, and I said, you know, next 25 years, I think I\u0026#39;ll write a hundred books. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eA hundred books, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah and uh, so I\u0026#39;m, I\u0026#39;m on track, you know, and um, but the the thing about it is is that, um, and we had the conversations back then of how fast you could, you know, turn out a book, and we had a little one week contest where we both created a book and one week, and you know, and uh, and and so the the whole point is that it\u0026#39;s just a quarterly process, you know, as part of the it\u0026#39;s just normalized. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eFor a lot of people, writing a book is the scariest, scariest project of their, of their life, you know you know, right, yeah, um, uh, you know. On their gravestones says didn\u0026#39;t get the book finished. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eRight, I mean you know, or uh, we\u0026#39;re on chapter 38. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI said well, I saw that problem, just make each chapter a book. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, right, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, so the, I think the um thing is. But think about 1950. I couldn\u0026#39;t even conceive of how you could turn out a book like that, you know yeah you know, it\u0026#39;s all internet based teamwork. I mean, everything I do is internet. I\u0026#39;ve been cartoonist. I see him about once a year, you know personally. He lives in Prince Edward Island and, uh, the smallest of the Canadian provinces. Uh, way out, way out of these kind of Cape Coddage type of place. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd you know and I see him. He\u0026#39;s in Scotland. He\u0026#39;s living for Scotland for two weeks tomorrow, so we\u0026#39;ll have a little interruption. But uh, you know it\u0026#39;s all on the internet he\u0026#39;s, and zoom has been a wonderful breakthrough, you know. Yeah, he can actually draw the pictures. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nDo you um? Do you storyboard the, the cartoons, or talk about what, what you\u0026#39;re seeing for them? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nNo no no, he just gets the rate on. You know, he gives a page on zoom so we\u0026#39;re off to the side. You know our two little pictures are up to the side. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then he draws the two page outline, because there are always two pages in the book format. And then he we say you know, I think this starts in the center. I says I think something in the center and I think it\u0026#39;s a person and the one thing we uh, at a certain point we just didn\u0026#39;t pay any attention to the galley in the middle the you know the separation of the two pages we just treated it as a single page and that was a great right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eExactly, and then we um uh I have a fast filter that I\u0026#39;ve created laying out what the chapter headings are and what the context of the chapter is, and then we read it through and I talked to him and I said, okay, so what\u0026#39;s this look like? You know what\u0026#39;s this look like. You know where\u0026#39;s it start. Where\u0026#39;s the center of action? Yeah, center is a lower left hand corner, is it? And yeah, if you look through the cartoons to this one, you\u0026#39;ll notice that the real energetic center of the cartoon moves around. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, yes, I love it. I mean, I\u0026#39;m looking at the. Nobody\u0026#39;s in charge, you\u0026#39;re completely free with the, the arrows in the path and it\u0026#39;s just. Yeah, I like that idea of just treating the whole two pages as one. Yeah, one thing that makes sense, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd if you um said to people you don\u0026#39;t mind the separation between the pages and the middle because you have to do that for the book, and I said, yeah, I don\u0026#39;t know they\u0026#39;re, they\u0026#39;re, they\u0026#39;re. Their mind has eliminated that separating thing down the center of the human brain. Yeah, treats it as one thing you know. And I said oh no there\u0026#39;s a separation down the middle of every cartoon picture and I said really, and I said yeah, look. And they said, oh my, I never saw it. Right, that\u0026#39;s great yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIt\u0026#39;s very obvious in the what the world is made up by you. Yeah, just big circle. But as you\u0026#39;re looking at it, it looks like one one thing I like this I\u0026#39;m, you know, I have a um, you got to have a wonderful designer who, uh, you know, can do these kind of things. It\u0026#39;s so, uh, it\u0026#39;s so nice to be able to articulate with words what you\u0026#39;re looking for and have somebody be able to interpret that and deliver what you\u0026#39;re looking for, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, the interesting thing is, uh, t um, uh, we have two kind of artistic skills with Amish. Amish is Amish, mcdonald is my cartoonist name, and we\u0026#39;ve been working together now for you know long, long time, you know. But the other thing that\u0026#39;s happened is the technology has gotten so good, okay, and uh, we were just finishing one off before he took off for Scotland and literally um, dean, I could say I said okay, let\u0026#39;s put that into the complete color spectrum, and he hit a button and the whole background was a complete color, you know, sort of like a. It went from the colors of the spectrum and but it was sort of a continuous change. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, it wasn\u0026#39;t right, uh, separate colors. And I said, okay, now uh, the characters here. I said let\u0026#39;s move the characters around a little, and he moved them around and everything like that. And I can remember first working with my first computer artist back in 1990, let\u0026#39;s say, and the changes that Hamish and I just made in about. I would say two minutes would take two and a half days. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, and that amazing right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nChip speed and the great capabilities of software, you know, yeah, and it\u0026#39;s. I mean it just goes together. I mean we used to, we used to take about um, I would say it would take about three days, three days of three, the three days work to get a cartoon done, and now we do the storyboard and he checks in the next day and he\u0026#39;s got it almost completed. Artwork. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eMm, hmm. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, so, uh, that\u0026#39;s great, yeah, that\u0026#39;s great. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd I think that\u0026#39;s a I. You know the fact that he can do that, and uh actual intelligence right? Yeah Well, evan Ryan, who was one of our panel speakers on a, he\u0026#39;s got a neat little book and we\u0026#39;re going to send it out. Maybe you already have it, but it\u0026#39;s called AI as a teammate. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOkay, and uh, he\u0026#39;s putting our entire company, 130 of our team members, through uh starting in September, and it\u0026#39;s six modules, two hours each, and all they do is analyze their work between what\u0026#39;s their unique ability and what shouldn\u0026#39;t. Somebody else could do, so anything a who can do. Then you find the AI who, who can actually do it without having to hire another person. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOh, nice, I mean. So that\u0026#39;s yeah, talking about being able to for people to uh multiply, you know yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah. But he says, uh, people freak out about this word AI. He says zoom is AI. He said the internet is the AI. He said you know all the programs you use on the computer you know already from you, know from Apple or from ours are mostly Apple, you know in design is artificial intelligence. He says it\u0026#39;s just automation. He says don\u0026#39;t talk about artificial intelligence. He says it\u0026#39;s just automated. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOkay A machine function can do what a person used to be able to do. He says that\u0026#39;s all that it is. And he said you know, that\u0026#39;s been going on for a long time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, well, and you still have to just think about what you\u0026#39;re trying to do. Yeah, you still have to understand what the outcome you want. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s the big skill. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThe big skill is being able to identify what you want. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, yeah, that is the skill of skills that is. That is that is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHow many years? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\ndid you do that every day? You said, well, it wouldn\u0026#39;t be the same without our appearance from theory. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, Well, it just shows you that you know that there\u0026#39;s real progress to be made in that field, Anyway, anyway, yeah, I did 25 years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI have 25 years every day. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWhat do I want? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eEvery day for except for 12. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSo there\u0026#39;s 9,131 days and 25 years. And I did it 9,119 days and you know and and and and. What I got really good at over that period is just, in any situation, kind of knowing what I want, you know and and and. The one thing I cut off of you know I want this and the next. If you wrote that down for an AI program, they\u0026#39;d say the next word is because. And I said I just leave the because off because I want the truth, because is some sort of fiction. I\u0026#39;m making it up to make it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eEverything is made up. Yeah, yeah, everything is made up, yeah. And so so I got real good at that and, you know, my life changed from the first day to the 25th day. My life really changed. Coach came into existence, my partnership with Babs came into existence, strategies, strategy circle, and then a whole bunch of other tools came into existence, you know. So, yeah, it\u0026#39;s a great skill. I mean, if you know, if, how would these? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nis there? What were the? Were there any particular prompts? Let\u0026#39;s call it in modern terms that you would use or or no, I just I would go through that process yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, I just had to do this every day. You know that that was I committed myself. I had just gone through a divorce and a bankruptcy on the same day, in August of 1978. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I said you know, the only way I\u0026#39;m going to come to grips with this is to take total responsibility for what\u0026#39;s happened up until now. So no blaming anyone else, no saying and no going back and reworking it. If only I had done. I said, let\u0026#39;s just accept it, that and that I wasn\u0026#39;t. And I said, I came to the conclusion all that bad stuff had happened because I wasn\u0026#39;t telling myself what I wanted. Okay, I was expecting other people to tell me what. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI wanted and. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI said so next 25 years, I\u0026#39;m just going to get really good at telling myself what I actually want and that\u0026#39;s it. That\u0026#39;s. That was the only requirement and it could be a set it had to be at least a sentence. It could be a whole page, it could be two pages, but it had to be at least a sentence once a day, and I just did it for. I just did it for. I had notebook after notebook after notebook after notebook. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd yeah and we had a flood, you know, in our business last August and all these files were in the basement. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat got flooded and disrupted and they\u0026#39;re all gone all the, all the files, all my notes are gone and I feel so, and I feel so freed up. Right right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nDid you ever? Look at those Did you ever. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNo no, never went back and the and the reason is it was the skill. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nit was the skill I was developing. That wasn\u0026#39;t what I wrote down, Right yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, yeah, this is that\u0026#39;s really but we went to Matt. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nif I hadn\u0026#39;t done that, I wouldn\u0026#39;t never been in position to me to Because you never would have started strategic coach or never would have gotten off the ground, started looking for certain kinds of people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eRight. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYou being one of them. Well, I\u0026#39;m glad you\u0026#39;re here I wanted someone who is incredibly smart, and if only he\u0026#39;d apply himself. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd a lot of them. You want a lot of those people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, and money comes easy, money comes easy. Yeah, the great ones, and once they have a purpose, the money flows, yeah. So anyway, I got to jump early because I have a little bit of a question, Okay my friend Daniel Wait in about five minutes but real pleasure. Yeah, thanks for the feedback on the geometry book. You know, this one surprised me. You know, this one caught me by surprise. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, it\u0026#39;s fantastic, like I was curious what it was going to be about. You know, when you look at the, just the title geometry for staying cool and calm. And now, as I look through the content, this is my. I\u0026#39;m going to pretend I\u0026#39;m hopping on a flight to Chicago right now. Yeah, toronto, and read the whole book in one hour. That\u0026#39;s my, that\u0026#39;s my next hour right now, yeah, good. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAlrighty. I got a question yeah, thank you very much. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nNext week I\u0026#39;m good. Okay, good, me too. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBye, okay, bye. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In this episode of Cloudlandia, we navigate the intriguing notion that our world as we know it is entirely constructed by individuals just like us. From the mundane aspects of traffic rules to the profound sacred texts influencing civilizations, it's all the product of the human mind.\r\n","date_published":"2023-07-20T11:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/b4502358-2e18-40d6-83e3-2e20559fe529.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":34016992,"duration_in_seconds":2800}]},{"id":"75f063a0-9916-49c4-93ab-8552755fb4ad","title":"Ep102_Unlocking the Secrets of Success, from Cottages to Cloudlandia","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/102","content_text":"In this episode of Cloudlandia, we journey through cottage renovations, explore the landscapes of North America, and decode the power of vision and reach in building successful ventures.\n\n\u0026amp;nbsp\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\nThe episode begins with a discussion about cottage renovations, exploring the landscapes of North America, and building successful ventures.\nThe hosts discuss the renovation projects of Mr. Sullivan and Mr. Jackson, the smoky Quebec forest, and the history of the Canadian forest industry.\nInsight from Peter Zion suggests that even if the U.S. population doubled, there would still be room to spare, and Florida's unspoiled grapefruits are also discussed.\nThey introduce a useful tool called the FAST filter, a quick 15-minute method to help evaluate the success potential of any project.\nThe episode covers three fascinating life roles: everything is invented by someone, no one is really in charge, and life isn't always fair.\nProductivity strategies involving intense physical feats are discussed, along with the hosts' experiences with rising early and its surprising effects.\nSteve Jobs' philosophy of creating technology that's not only functional but also beautiful and user-friendly is another compelling topic.\nThe hosts critique Bud Light's marketing choices and emphasize the importance of getting feedback from the right audience.\nThe episode explores the concept of being the buyer in ventures, with examples from Mr Beast's Cloudlandia and the strategic approach of Prime energy drink.\nFinally, the hosts emphasize the importance of maintaining quality control for your product, finding the right partnerships, and understanding that everything in life and business is a guess and a bet.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean Jackson\nMr Sullivan. \n\nDan Sullivan\nAh, Mr Jackson, are you enjoying your play show four seasons. \n\nDean Jackson\nYes. I'll tell you what it's so nice that everything's done now. It's like having a new renovation. We got new carpet, new hardwood, new wallpaper in the kitchen. Everything's all fantastic. Done now, finally. We're excited about that. How about you? \n\nDan Sullivan\nyou're up at two o'clock it's yes, I am, yeah, and it's been spectacular. We've done really, really great, you know, sort of that idyllic cottage, culture, weather and yeah and although it was very smoky for the first two days. Oh yeah, Because we have Quebec, you know yes. \n\nDean Jackson\nIn. \n\nDan Sullivan\nCanada, in Canada, you always play with that Quebec. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's right, that's right. It was just separate already. Come on, yeah, yeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nBut this is a big forest area on the very west side of Quebec which is basically forest. You know, hundreds of square miles of forest. So even though it was a major fire there was, it didn't affect any towns at all because there are no towns. \n\nDean Jackson\nRight, right, the Great Wilderness. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThere is so much nature in this country. Yes, absolutely. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, yeah, how's your construction project going? \n\nDan Sullivan\nWell, we, you know the wheels of government approvals here really grind very slowly, and so we have to get a demolition. We have to get a demolition thing first, and we're going to have it done after the college season, the cottage season is over, and it'll be that'll. You know, that doesn't take very long, that takes a week or two. And then we have to really get the cottage fine tuned. The new design this is second. For those who are listening, this is a joining property that we have with our main tree, so we'll have about 300 feet of frontage on the water with a two, and they go around a bend, and so one of them is facing sort of more west than south and one of them is more south, so there's a curve. \n\nDean Jackson\nAnd this is old rock. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThis is, you know, this is Canadian shield rock. Yeah, and this is 4 million years old rock and it's. It's a very striking locale, you know and. Muskoka, of course, is the great cottage country. We're in Halliburton, which is to the east. It's about you know it's about an hour's drive to the east and this was the great forest industry part of Canada like 1800. And the. British Navy came. The British Navy's ships were mainly wood from this area. \n\nDean Jackson\nOh well, they had a huge number. \n\nDan Sullivan\nIt was the number one industry in Canada, in what is now Canada, in the 1800. And yeah, and of course they thought, you know, there was just so much natural resource that they just cut and cut and cut. And then somebody said you know, maybe we should replant. \n\nDean Jackson\nWe're going to run out of wood. Yeah, exactly. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, well, yeah, I mean, but it goes on forever. I mean it's not just here in Ontario, it's in Quebec, it's in when you get to Manitoba. You know you have all that and it's just goes on forever. So you know, it's no wonder that you know the big complaint about modern Canadians and modern Americans, how wasteful they are. \n\nWell, when you've lived your whole culture where you couldn't run out of things. It doesn't make you particularly, you know, stingy. It doesn't make you, yeah. So but I was thinking about that, that interesting statistic from Peter Zion that if you doubled the population of the United States, you know, sort of spreading the new population across the entire country, it would still feel. And you got to 650 million, 616 million. If you got there, the country would still feel pretty empty. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah you know it's so funny, like I did a when just up and I were doing all the big real estate seminars, we were very sort of Western, western United States. \n\nyou know, weighted, we were doing more. You know over half of the events were in. You know, in California We'd do Phoenix and Palm Springs and LA and San Francisco and Seattle and Denver and you know that kind of all on the Western side and I was making the argument for more East Coast events and got a satellite view of the US by light source. Have you ever seen that map that showed light and you could draw a line, like at the Rocky, like you're right up the middle of the country, and it looked like just the entire right side was lit up, where all the population is Over on the east side very much. \n\nAnd you're saying that makes total sense with Peter Zayam, that you could kind of fold that over even onto the west side, especially in the western United States, there's nothing and that would make no difference. But out of even Florida, if you look at Florida right now, there's 22 million people right now. We're projected for 29 million by 2030. So we're growing up to 15 million people a day right now. But the most of Florida, the entire middle of Florida, is basically the outback. I mean you can drive for miles and miles and not see anything. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWe were way back in the 70s. I went on a trip to Florida and it was on the west side. We were staying in Lakeland Florida. And we had a friend there who was a cattle breeder but he had gotten interested in citrus fruit so he had big grapefruit. But he was in a cooperative so all the work was done by the workers in the cooperative. And the neat thing about grapefruit is that it doesn't spoil on the trees. Oranges- and grapefruits. \n\nyou can leave them hanging there for as long as you want, they don't spoil. So it gives you some really good timing as far as when to pick and sell. And he was canny. He was kind of like just a canny person. He understood cattle. But we went to a cattle ranch in the middle of Florida and it's like the in the lower 48 states, like the number three cattle ranch in the United. \n\nDean Jackson\nStates. \n\nDan Sullivan\nIt just went on. I mean, we got on the ranch and then it was 30 miles to the homestead, you know we had to drive 30 miles. Once we were on the ranch, but it was right down in the middle, just above the Everglades, and so what we saw is a lot of pigs. You know, there were hundreds and thousands of cattle, but there were a lot of pigs and they just seemed to be wandering around. And so my friend yes, no, no, they were domestic, they were domestic but they yeah they didn't last long enough to go wild, you know. \n\nAnd anyway, he said I said what are all the pigs for? This is a cattle ranch. And he says, well, you know, yeah, you can have beef every night for so long, and he just want to change. And so we go out and just roast up a couple of pigs and eat that. And I said, well, I don't think there's no fences. And I said you don't worry about them. He says, well, how are they going to get off the ranch? \n\nDean Jackson\nWe had to go 30 miles. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThat's a real trip for a short-legged pig, you know. \n\nDean Jackson\nRight right, right right. \n\nDan Sullivan\nBut anyway, the sheer size, and this is, you know, psychologically, if you go back, the huge difference between the New World and the Old World. If you think about Europe, where every square inch of landscape is surveyed and owned and is populated, I mean I think Holland has the greatest density in any country in the world, even more so than some of the Asian countries. Oh really, wow. \n\nAnd yeah, and then they come to this New World and they just give you 100 acres. You know, like, here we're just going to basically for almost nothing. We're going to give you 100 acres and see what you, if you make an improvement on it over the next five years, then you own the. We'll give you the land for life. You know, and everything like that. And what a draw that must have been for people who had nothing in Europe, especially in. \n\nDean Jackson\nEurope. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, you know, if you can make it across the ocean, we'll give you land and the New World. Yeah, and if all that's taken where you are, then just go another 50 miles to the west. There's a lot and my sense is the frontier took from 1620, jamestown, you know, the first permanent settlement in town, virginia, to 1890,. When they finally surveyed the last bed of whichever western territory, it was In 1890, they, it was all surveyed and they said the frontier is now officially over. \n\nYou know, we have no more frontier and but that 270 years, really, I put an incredible stamp on probably what would you say? 15 years per generation, even let's say 20 years per generation, so 20, you know it's about 15 generations. And that probably just put a permanent stamp on psyche of the Americans. Yeah, you look at the. \n\nDean Jackson\nI mean it's amazing now if you take the parallel and you bring it into Cloudlandia, if you count Jamestown, if Jamestown was 1996, you know when everybody started kind of landing in Cloudlandia even though there was no infrastructure, really there was no, you know, no electricity, no, all of that stuff. You look at the highway system and we liken the development of Cloudlandia over, you know, a generation and a half here. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWell, and that's, and we're never going to run out. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's the amazing thing. Well, there's an infinitely. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThere's an infinitely expanding frontier in Cloudlandia and you're not trespassing. You're not really trespassing in the same way you do on the mainland, right yeah. \n\nDean Jackson\nAnd I think that's why? \n\n0*Dan Sullivan*\nyou know the chat GPT took over. You know which is the latest new adventure in Cloudlandia is chat GPT that if you look at the numbers, they say 100 million. Right away, 100 million people are using it and I said but not everywhere, not everywhere and my sense is that it's. I was just breaking it down. I said it's mostly Americans or people connected to it. There are people connected to America digitally. It's probably males, they're probably single and they're probably between 25 and 45. And they just want to go places where nobody's gone before. \n\nAnd this is they got a vehicle for doing this, and that's the frontier, that's the frontier mentality. \n\nDean Jackson\nWhat's beyond the? \n\nDan Sullivan\nsettled territory. What's beyond the settled territory? \n\nDean Jackson\nRight, right, right. And what are you going to settle on the territory? I mean, this is the really. This is the thing. It's such amazing times, like a couple of things that that have jumped out over the last little bit here. Here I just saw that Mr B Again now with feastable new company is chocolate. Your confection company is global. Now They've got in there all over the world. They've taken over the United States and things. And I read what happened in the last few weeks is Mr Beast has sort of soured a little bit on on Mr Beast burger as a as a collaboration, in that he can't control the quality of what the product is being delivered. Right. \n\nThere's a little variation because it's going, you know, it's expanded so quickly and there's so many restaurants making the, you know, making his burgers, making the menu, and that was a collaboration largely driven by someone coming to him with that like virtual dining concepts. But Robert Earl was the driver of that. And so, if we take the VCR formula, robert Earl went to Mr Beast with the capability offering to bring him into the burger business with tapping him in his range Right. \n\nDan Sullivan\nSo it wasn't there. \n\nDean Jackson\nIt wasn't driven by Mr Beast and it wasn't Mr Beast capability to to do the thing. Now feastable. What they did was they started with division and they sought out the capability and they're the. It reminded me of your always be the buyer. That there's a difference where, with your the visionary, you're the buyer of this Right. Your your partnering with a capability that, if you have the vision and the reach, partnering with the capability is that's kind of the power position and the difference between feastables, which is packaged goods that you can 100% controlled quality of, and then partnering with Walmart as reach to multiply the reach that you have a physical you know Mr Beast's Cloudlandia reach with an outlet at the largest footprint retailer reach in the country Makes a huge, huge difference. \n\nIt's a product-based thing. I look at prime. There's another major story in the VCR world right now, which is prime energy drink, which was driven by Logan Paul and KSI another you know, two big global YouTubers who have partnered to make this energy drink and they're, you know, last year sold 250 million dollars of this energy drink and now they are kind of funny how this the you know it's like VCR squared. They are now as an entity, a capability, partnering with other big reach outlets like they. They're the official hydration of USC, the ultimate fighter competition, the Dana White big MMA thing, and they were just announced as the official hydration of the Barcelona football club, which is a huge international thing, and they did it with Manchester United and those guys are there's no limit to where that's going A package, good product that they're the driver of the. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWell, and, as you said, the central issue here is quality control. Yes yes, I mean a shitty restaurant. Anyway can produce shitty, mr Beesburgers. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's exactly what I mean. Yes, that's the thing, right that you're, rather than having something that you can just deliver to somebody in the experience, the unboxing, it's only just distributed to some. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWell, you know my newest quarterly book is called the Geometry for Staying Cool and Calm, and one of the there's three roles which we've You've very kindly talked about on the podcast. The three roles are everything's made up by someone sometime. Okay, sometimes someone made up something, so things that are thousands of years old, it was still. Someone at some time made this up. Somebody wrote it down, you know. And somebody said, well, what about the Bible? And I said somebody wrote it down. \n\nYou know it was just a discussion until somebody wrote it down, somebody. Okay, so the big thing is that if you take the three roles, everything's made up. Nobody's in charge, and number three, life's not fair. There's some byproducts that come out of that, and number one of the things that come out of that is it's all guessing and betting. \n\nSo, the future is all about betting. Yeah, the future is all guessing and betting, you know. And so when you hear somebody this is very definitely technology is going in this direction what you have is someone telling you that they're guessing on something and they want you to bet on it. And so this whole notion that the future is predetermined is silly, because even with Mr Beast, who knows the power of YouTube I mean, he's proven that he knows the power, just with his community is hundreds, you know more than 100 million, but he's guessing what he can do with that community and he's betting. \n\nSo Mr Beast, mr Beastburger was a bet, okay, and took up time, took up energy, took up skills, took up probably some money, and with him it's not so much money, it's just how does he want to spend his time, you know that's really, I think, his biggest thing is not wasting time, you know but he just tested on something. And now one thing he's learned we have to control the product. That's. That's a useful learning. I'm sure he didn't lose any money on Mr Beastburger he's still going strong still going strong. \n\nDean Jackson\nBut he's just losing. Like it was an interesting thing, he tweeted that you know that he can't. You know virtual diving solutions won't let him out of the, they won't let him out of the contract or he can't stop. Even he said you know I can't, my partners won't let me stop, even though it's bad for my brand, you know which is really interesting Well he's at 20, you know, at 26,. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI'm not sure his exact age, but 24, 26. He's learned a powerful lesson that applies for the rest of his life. You got to be the owner. \n\nDean Jackson\nYes, always be the buyer. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYes, yeah, yeah, and you know he just learned it. I mean, I didn't learn that until I was in my 50s. I'm a committed learner, but sometimes I'm a slow learner. I've got a tool variation for you, OK. Ok, and this was prompted by your raising the topic of Dean Landia. So I've always kind of liked the tool we have called the FAST filter rather than the big impact filter. Yeah, and the FAST filter. The FAST filter, you just write down here's the project, here's the best result, here's the worst result and here are five success criteria. \n\nAnd for all practical purposes. It does 90% of what the impact filter does, but in about half the time about half the time. So you and I are people of a quickness nature that we've got 15 minutes or we lose interest. \n\nSo I go for a tool that only takes 15 minutes. But here's the thing, and this is a question for you. But I'll just tell you what I did Of all the profiles that we've done the Colby profile, we've done in coach, we've done the Colby profile, we've done Myers-Briggs, we've done Desk. You know D-S-I-D-I-Z, we've print and we've just done the working genius. And everybody in FreeZone is going to get that in the next quarter. \n\nWe're just sending it out in September, everybody and just go do that profile and they can do that with their teams, and you know the whole thing. \n\nBut of all of them and I didn't mention it yet, but the one that really struck home for me was the Strength Finder, which came out of the Gallup organization. So my five strengths are number one ideation. You know that if I'm going to take action on something, it'll be on an idea. Number two maximizer. I'm interested in ideas that don't take average things and make them better. I'm only interested in things that take already extraordinary people and make them even more productive. So, maximizer. Number three, self-assurance is that personally, I don't think I can ever get into trouble with a new idea. \n\nYou know that I always have confidence that you know it'll either work or I'll get some learning out of it. But there's no loss with coming up with a new idea. And number four is context. Is that I'm passionate about how this connects to everything. So if I create something, I immediately want to know how does this connect to everything else I've done? And number five is activator, that there's no idea we're spending any time if it does not lead to action. \n\nDean Jackson\nSo those are my thoughts. \n\nDan Sullivan\nAnd you know, experience and the observation of my team would pretty well prove it out that there isn't any one, any other strength on the list of 34, these are the top five out of 34. That would replace one of the ones that are in the top five. Okay, and that's good enough for me. That's good enough for me. I said I don't think so either, and so what I did is that on the stra, on the fast filter, you have five success criteria, so I just put in the five, you know ideation, multiple maximizer, self assurance, context and activator. \n\nAnd then I think of a particular project and I said, okay, so what's the central idea here? What's the central idea here? Ideation, okay, and really make a big jump with it. Maximizer number three that this will, if you pull this off as the real jump in your self assurance, okay, number this actually connects with about five other things that I'm doing, or 10 other things that I'm doing. That's context and number five, activator, and I can immediately see that I can take this action within the next day or two. And then I go back and I write worse result of doing this, best result. \n\nSo I do it backwards, I do the five success criteria first and then I do worse result and said ah, this is just one of your another hair brain scheme that you get all excited about and you distract a lot of other people. I tell the whole story how this is just puts me in the ditch like other. And then I go to the best result and I said this is a breakout moment in my entire 17 to 29 year life and everything and away we go. And so I just wondered did you do the strength finder, did you? \n\nDean Jackson\nI did years ago and it's for ideation, ideation was at the top of my. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, we're both ideation which probably people could guess yes. And that's what it's interesting, but it'd be interesting because you've got the fast filter on your website. You just yeah, but all you do is that you the first word in the five success criteria are the five strength finders, you just put the first word and then you say and you know, and you can see what that, their explanation of each of those are. But you kind of know anyway. But I'm noticing that it does amazing things with projects. \n\nFirst of all, it gives you an incredible amount of immediate motivation to do the project because it checks off all the boxes where you get energy. Anyway, I just thought it would. \n\nDean Jackson\nSo everybody would put in the fast filter, they would feed their five. Their five strength finders. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWith their five strength finders. So it custom designs it immediately that you're only doing this project for your purposes. \n\nDean Jackson\nYes, where could I find my strength finder again, oh. \n\nDan Sullivan\nJulia Waller. I'm at the cottage and she's in the next cottage. I'll just, I'll see her tonight and I'll just said could you just look up Dean Dean Jackson's strength finders? Okay, great, and if she can't, she'll just give you their contact information. I mean, you do it over again. It's $35, $40, something like that. \n\nDean Jackson\nSo you know you you gotta do it, but it's a very, I think you know, do four or five of them. \n\nDan Sullivan\nJust take that random, just take five projects and run it through. And you see that it makes you into the total buyer of everything that you do. I don't go into this unless it checks off my five strength finder boxes. I'm not devoting an ounce of energy unless it checks off my boxes, and I think that's as good a definition of what being a buyer for you means as it does you know, anyway, so just thought you'd be interested in that. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, I'm very fascinated by that because that I've gone through and I've had a buddy on my team through the working genius and James probably put together a team profile that shows a map of where everybody is on your team. So when you're building, you're kind of the next thing. When you're going forward with a project, I know that we need all of the widgets, you know we need everybody, somebody's genius in every aspect of it to get it all the way through, all the way from wonder to synastomy, somebody to follow through with it, and so that's kind of a. I like all these combinations. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI love what you're looking for, what I'm looking for is just the one tool that works everywhere. You know, I mean I created lots of you know and coach. We've created lots of tools, but I'm just always looking for the one tool that's a really fast tool. That's just the starting point for everything. You know, just yeah, and you know it's like Jack Pell. I'm talking to Billy Crystal and you know Billy Crystal and he said I'm going to give you, billy, I'm going to give you the secret of life. \n\nAnd he holds up his finger, one finger, and Billy Crystal says your finger is the secret to life. And he says yeah, but we're all looking. I mean, especially if you're AD and you're a 10, quick start and ideation is your number one strike fighter, you're subject to a lot of distractions, yeah. \n\nDean Jackson\nLike hourly, like hourly. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, yeah, and sometimes in the middle of the night and so funny that that was where. \n\nDean Jackson\nOh, by the way, michael. \n\nDan Sullivan\nBruce. I'm meeting weekly with Michael Bruce and he just wanted to pass on his best wishes to you. Oh good, we had some conversations where he's really good at what he's really good. I tell you he's really really good at what he does. Yeah, For the listeners, this is a great sleep psychologist named Michael Bruce. He lives in Hermosa Beach, California, and yeah. \n\nAnd I'm going through a 12 week program with him where I have to diary my sleep every night in the morning. I do that and the whole thing is to get me two things. One is to establish a regular get up time for me which is five o'clock. So this is really good, because I'm in my just finishing my fourth week now and I've gotten up at five o'clock every morning for 28 days and then he won't let you go to bed earlier. I'm at 10 30 now, so I get six and a half hours sleep. But the ultimate goal here is one is that I always have a wake up time that's predictable, so that my system kicks in and creates the sleep drive during the day. \n\nI don't have to use meds at night. And I'm down to half of my meds after four weeks. \n\nSo in just four weeks. I'm off half and then during the day I don't have to use Adderall to propel me for the whole day. So I have an early morning slow release. I have a slow release that I take right away. He's leaving that alone. And at night I have a lunesta that I take just to start the night, and he's leaving that alone. He's gotten rid of the halfway, the two thirds through the night sonata, so that's gone. And my daytime Adderall, like let's say, afternoon, that's gone. So I pre-dropped two of them in four weeks, so it's really good. \n\nDean Jackson\nDid you get a chance to experiment with telling yourself you could be being happy that you get to have the best two hours of sleep? Two hours here when you wake up. I've tried that. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI've tried that, you know, but that's a trick that we had. \n\nThere's this mad, crazy sort of like survival thing I forget what it's called, but where you go four weeks and you're a team of four One of them has to be a woman and you have to climb mountains, you have to swim across you know straights of water, you have to go through jungle and everything else, and you only have 24, 96 hours to pull it off and they have tricks, and one of the tricks is they go on two hours of sleep per night, but it's the last two hours before sunrise and if you wake up at sunrise, your body thinks that you, for four days, your body can pull you, or your mind can pull your body into believing you got full night's sleep four nights in a row, and then it falls apart on the fifth day. Really, you go one. Yeah, yeah, so it's an interesting. \n\nDean Jackson\nAnd that you're, that, you know, limiting to six and a half hours, or whatever that worked out to be, yeah, yeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nBut this is not forever, this is just to get me through this period and I think I think I'm probably at my limit right now. I don't think he's going to push it any further, and but he might. And first it was seven hours, then it was so it was 10 o'clock and then it was 1015 and now it's 1030. So we'll see I've had lots of energy and I've gotten lots of things done. \n\nDean Jackson\nBut what I've done is wherever, why. I'm curious about why five am. Is that? No, you choose that. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYou choose that. No, you choose that, you choose that, but then it's that's what it is. So he said you get up anywhere from four to five, 30. But if you had to do it every morning, which would you do? And he's the upside. Both agreed we do it at five o'clock and he says good, so five is fixed. So regardless of when you go to bed although I'm not going to let you go to bed earlier than 10 o'clock, the one time we did, we went to see Jeff Maddox, Premier play a Premier week personality in Chicago, which is a dynamite play and musical, and he, we got home at two o'clock in the morning. \n\nIt was downtown and we went out afterwards and I said Baps, there's no way we're getting up at five o'clock, so we just got up at nine o'clock because we had to get to the airport to play home. \n\nDean Jackson\nI said, you know, every once in a while. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI'm just going to. I mean, yeah, rows aren't any good if you can't make exceptions. Right, right, right. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, my, I would love, like I think, that my natural if I just look at my natural cycle, it would probably be it would eight hour period, it would probably be 11 to 7 would be my natural preferred. I think that's like the person, yep yep, I think everybody's rhythm for me. \n\nDan Sullivan\nIt doesn't matter just his whole point is it doesn't matter what the hours are, just so that you stick with it, because your body adjusts and then adjusts its system. But if you're all over, the map with it your body, then you get all sorts of sleep disorders and right, right, right yeah. \n\nBut I'm from childhood I've been an early riser, you know farm boy, you were at the break of dawn and you know I was in sports going through schools. You were too, but you got up early. You had morning practices and and it was in the army, army you get up at, you know you get a six, six o'clock, you know so you know I was just used to it and and I find that most creative before noon. You know I get most my creative creativity. I can talk endlessly after three o'clock, but don't ask me to create anything in the afternoon. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's funny. I have a second, like if I were to say I have a second period of period, you know, like three or four in the afternoon till six or seven. That's like a really good. If I just look at my, you know, biorethm or whatever it's first thing in the morning, you know, till noon, and then another, I think the European, you know the fiesta model is like the perfect thing, I think. You know. Get, get up, do what you do creative work. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWell, you've got forward a heat. You got forward a heat to blame on it, even though you're in air conditioning. But you know, you know I think it's a light thing too how much light you get. You get way more light than we do in Toronto during the year. \n\nDean Jackson\nYou know it's fun the way that you and I talk about these things. You know different approaches to it, but part of the thing, I guess, is picking the game that you like in the way that you like to play the game and establishing your life around it, you know, just fitting it into what you're natural and not everybody's the same, like like you. For you, I don't like the idea of waking up at five o'clock. Even you know Robin Sharma. \n\nDo you know Robin Sharma wrote the five AM club, so I had lunch at the table I sure don't want to. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI'll get up at five, but I'm not going to be a member of the club at five o'clock. \n\nDean Jackson\nExactly the five AM club. \n\nDan Sullivan\nAre you kidding? \n\nDean Jackson\nI said you know it's so funny that everybody tries to in personal development. It feels like everybody tries to pigeonhole you into their method of you got to get up at five AM and if your dreams aren't big enough to get you bouncing out of bed in the morning, you know. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThe last time I saw Robin was at the Soho hotel in London, and he just happened to be in the restaurant when I was there, so we pulled up a table. You know, we got a table together and I was talking. He was saying, you know, he was sort of at a decision point in his. \n\nYou know what he was doing and you know that every he had stages and he was at the end of one of his stages and he was and I said, robin, maybe it's time for the monk to buy a new Ferrari. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's right, I love it. So for everybody listening Robin Sharma, very famously, first thing, wrote a book called the Monk. We sold his Ferrari and that's great, that's my favorite. Ferrari. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI think that's fantastic Dan His language, so he wouldn't, it's his language so he would know what that means. \n\nDean Jackson\nyou know Of course, and it was just so perfectly appropriate, like once you, you know it's so funny that the you know I think about that often and for the last 25 years, or 23 years, my go-to I know I'm being successful when I've been. You know, I wake up every day and ask what would I like to do today? And maybe it's time that I wake up and ask myself what would I like to do tomorrow instead of doing and do the thing that I need to wake up. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI wake up every day and I know exactly what I'm doing for the day and that's another variation, not that you'd want to make this the main course, but just for sort of space. Is you wake up in the morning and say what am I glad I didn't do yesterday? Ah right, exactly. \n\nDean Jackson\nPhew, that was close. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI almost did that. I almost did that and I didn't do it. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat is funny, I get point for that. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThey asked Steve Jobs very close, you know like you're to be very died. They asked him what were the 10 best decisions he had made during his Apple career and he says the 10 times I said no to something that would have really gotten us bogged down if we had pursued Wow, yeah. So I think that's as useful as what did you achieve? It's what did you not? It's not what a lot of people grade themselves on what they said yes to, but they there's just as much value in remembering what you said no to. \n\nAnd we have the tool, the experience transformer and coach. You know where you take something that you haven't resolved in your mind. \n\nAnd I had everybody just pick something during their teenage years. Because there's a lot of stuff that goes on in teenage years. You know that's not understandable at the time and maybe you didn't resolve it at all afterwards. So I said just pick something that's negative from your teenage years that anytime you're reminded of it it kind of rankles. You still get an emotional, negative, emotional hit from it. And so they picked it. You know a number of people. It was a relationship, okay, you know, and this one guy said he says boy, and what we do is you write down what worked about that. \n\nAnd they this is the hardest time of it because their memory of it is nothing worked about it. But then you go through and he said and then he you know. And I say now, so you know. And then you say what didn't work about it. So after you've done what worked about it, it's easier to emotionally face the things that didn't work about it. It's very hard to what's not working head on. \n\nYou have to you have to get your confidence level up before you can actually look at the things that didn't work. And then you say, if, in a similar situation going forward, what would I do differently, based on my thinking so far. So yeah, and this one guy said well, I had this girlfriend and she was a knockout. Then I just thought she was going to be the woman of my life and everything else. \n\nAnd and and so, yeah, we got to a nice is so what worked about that? And he says well, I didn't marry her. I said you missed a bullet, didn't you? You missed because he had met her about 15, 20 years later and she wasn't the woman of his dreams. \n\nDean Jackson\nWhen he met her? Yeah, and I'm sure the women. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThe women would have the same story to tell about men. Thank God I didn't marry him, so anyway. But but I'm a great believer in reworking my past. My past is my property, so I can do anything that I want with it. Your past is an interpretation of events. It's yeah, I mean, our entire past is our interpretation of what certain events you're not changing the events you're simply changing your interpretation of the events. \n\nAnd I spent a lot of time in my past. You know I go back and I said what did I learn from that? Gee, that's really useful, but by intent is always, I'm going to learn something from the past, that's applicable to the future. I think that's what I think, that's what I think, that's what humanity does Is that right Because I wondered if I thought maybe that was uniquely. \n\nDean Jackson\nI thought maybe I spent a lot of time in the past and I do it with an analytical mind, like I think I mentioned to you, like looking back and kind of really breaking it down into the four to five year pretty serious inflection changes and looking back for three lines and recognize that when you were talking about guessing and betting, that I think that the you know it was really interesting is looking back at the things that I guessed right and bet and the. I think the reason that we take such comfort in looking back or that enjoy the fantasy of being able to go back, is that because we know the, we know the outcome now. \n\nLooking back 25 years. It would have been, it would be really amazing to go back 25 years now that we know where it's all heading. You know, we know that, having seen 2023, it would be very interesting to go back to 1997 and know that the bets that you're making, you know, are going to pay off. But the real skill is to be able to turn that thinking and project forward for the next 25 years and make those bets, you know. But it's also very interesting that there's probably, you know, when I looked at, when I look at, 25 years is an amazing framework for looking backwards, but there's not, there's not a lot of. \n\nThere's not a lot of things that you could kind of place a bet on with certainty that we're going to pay out and a lot of the things wouldn't have even come into existence, Like I think you know, if you look back at 1995, like we said, 28 years ago, the internet was just kind of getting started. \n\nSo I guess that would be one thing that you could kind of place a bet on, but all of the things that the biggest winners among the internet. Like you know, apple was going bankrupt in 1995. They were losing almost a billion dollars a year because of mismanagement and scattered efforts, and Steve Jobs didn't come back till 1997 and simplified things, and so you wouldn't have bet on Apple in 1995 as being and then they just crossed. \n\nDan Sullivan\nNo, they just crossed three trillion dollars, first three trillion dollars, so there's no you wouldn't have guessed that in 1995. \n\nDean Jackson\nThere were no indications that they were going to be that. But you look at that period of innovation, the 10 years from 1997 to 2007 were tremendous innovation and game changing things, all on the back of internet. And I think that if you look at, what Steve Jobs was able to see was going just like he went all in on personal computers in a phase when it ball mainframe and business. He in the 70s yeah, that 25 years or 20 years or whatever went all in on personal computing and then when he saw the internet, that was the world that he was like how can we bring the world to the devices. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, I mean, and you know, the Walkman was the breakout product of that. Well, the Apple, that wasn't Apple, but. \n\nDean Jackson\nThe iPod. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThe iPod, yeah, the iPod. I mean he just and that was strictly internet. You know that was totally making use of the internet. \n\nDean Jackson\nI mean and the. \n\nDan Sullivan\nMac was the Mac. I mean, he always had a great operating system before he was fired. \n\nDean Jackson\nThe iMac was the first thing that you know, really made the computer. That was really the thing that was acknowledging it's all going to the internet. So the iMac was first, then that brought in. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, and the other thing that he brought back much more so than he had in the first place, was his was the sense that your product should be beautiful. \n\nDean Jackson\nAnd nobody in technology. \n\nDan Sullivan\nnobody in technology did before or since has ever placed the emphasis on beautiful and ease of use and ease of use. And you know and you know, I mean, and certainly Microsoft, never twig to that, even when they saw what they were up against. They never, they never saw. Why would you make things beautiful? \n\nYou know why they know right it just adds to the cost of development and everything else. Why would you do that? But if you don't have that sense? But he zeroed in on the artistic market where beauty is a big deal. Style, beauty, you know, elegance, you know all those things. That's really not part of the technological brain. You know most part and free, because they're mostly in. Yeah yeah. And you know they, he got rid of computer. You know it was just Apple. \n\nAnd then they came up with their long range purpose, which was we make beautiful technology that people love using. I said, oh God, that's a forever. That's a forever purpose. When you're not bound in by any particular technology, you're not bound in by any particular period of time, You're not bound in by any particular target market is we make a beautiful technology that people love using. I said, God, you can live with that forever. \n\nDean Jackson\nI mean, if you'd had that 4,000 years. \n\nDan Sullivan\nIf you had that 4,000 years ago, it'd be working. It'd be working today. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's so great. I love that. That's a great thing, you know. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, so what have we covered today? \n\nDean Jackson\nWhat territory have we covered? What have we mapped out in? \n\nDan Sullivan\nclaimed as our own. Well, I think that we've mapped out. \n\nDean Jackson\nLike I'm looking at these, you know I was fascinated by the whole. \n\nYou know by the all these VCR collaborations you know, like looking at how Mr Beast, but just looking at the distinction between Feastables and Mr Beast Burger and the precariousness of kind of you know being the capability that then brings the idea to the reach. That's kind of precarious, you know. But I was looking. I was just thinking about like some of the clients that I'm working with now that are you know, and people that I've met recently that have these amazing capability things. You know, like I was. When I heard about Feastable, I was thinking about our friend and FreeZone member, shahid in India, who makes all the biscuits and confection. \n\nDan Sullivan\nNo same. \n\nDean Jackson\nCapability Pakistan. Yeah, pakistan yeah yeah, he would know the difference. Of course he would. Yeah, yeah, and I should have known the difference. I've spoken with him, had joined with him, but there's a guy who's like that, the capability that he has, you know, just ready for he's Well it's really interesting. \n\nDan Sullivan\nHe's just started a new collaboration in Italy. Okay, using his know-how. You know they brought from that market and now he's looking for the United States. And I said you don't want to go to a, after you've done Italy, you don't want to do another European country. And he says no it's not the US. And I said great you know, yeah, that's great, right, right an impact builder and what you're looking for and and everything. \n\nWell, I think the big thing is the custom designing of the future. You know, and that's my use of the fast filter tool. I'm sort of cussed. I said, you know, I'm picky about going forward. I'm picky about, yeah, and I said, does this check the ideation box? Does this check the you know the, you know maximizer and the others? Does this check? Does it check all the boxes? And I'm not buying at all, you know, I'm just not getting involved if it doesn't check all the boxes. Right, you know, but what it does, it makes something that's sort of reactive and passive, makes it into active and kind of aggressive. \n\nBecause, then you can go into any situation and say you know I'm, I know exactly what I'm looking for, and if it's not there, I'll know about it. I'll know it almost instantly. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, and that's an interesting thing. I look at the maximizer, one of the realizations that I'm having about me and about my you know ideation and my in the widget world, my discernment and invention that those are best suited to tap into an existing engine. Like I look at the biggest impacts that I've had and been able to join something you know be an accelerant, a rocket booster to something that is always. Yeah, already exists, yeah, yeah, without me having to be an operator, because that's where my strengths fall down, you know. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah Well, I've always called you the marketing Buddha and as far as I know Buddha didn't keep office hours. That's right. That's right. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, you just enlightened the future. That's all you do. You enlighten the future, yeah, yeah, that's what that marketing strategist for Bud Light was doing. She was enlightening the future. She was going to elevate the brand and enlighten the future of their oh boy of their future. I said well, you certainly got a result. \n\nDean Jackson\nAmen Holy cow. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI mean this is yeah and anyway. And a lot of people are saying that's a debt grant, it's not retrievable, from where they put it with one camp. Pretty amazing, yeah. Yeah, it is because I was in the local. We have a thing called Jug City here which kind of tells you that it certainly defines the customers here Jug. \n\nCity, you know Anyway and I was in there and I was in line. I came in and I just checked because people had their purchases in their hands. I went in and then I came out again and I saw 10 different kinds of beers being bought, but not Bud Light. And this is Canada. This isn't even the United. States and everything like that. But, boy, you know you don't want to get caught in a crossfire favoring one side, you know. \n\nDean Jackson\nI know that. \n\nDan Sullivan\nAnd they just, she just took it into the zone. And now the former CEO of Bud Light is saying the president CEO of Bud Light should just resign. He should just resign because he's been an abysmal failure and he was hired to take care of situations like this. He was hired not to get into situations like this. And now right but at least be able to extract him in Really dense. But I bet this is being studied in all the business schools. \n\nDean Jackson\nOh, man, talk about, yeah, one of the amazing things, just like this amazing story. You know, yeah, such an, I can't even I think I'm. I wonder what other examples of that. You know, can't even think of anything that. \n\nDan Sullivan\nNo, I can't think of a single. I mean Target had a little whiff of that, but they got out of it pretty soon because they were, and you know this is the third rail of the subway. You don't touch the subject, you know. \n\nDean Jackson\nI guess it's a little bit back to when the Ford Pintos were exploding again. Yeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, nobody would touch up Ford Pinto or. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat would ruin the driving brand right. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYou know I mean we live in a million times more viral communications world now than we did back then. And you know I mean I go whoa. And now Dylan Mulvaney, the actress in the situation, is bashing Bud Light for nuts sticking up for her, you know and everything. Wow, wow, wow she's saying we're done with you. We're done with you. So the very target audience they were going out Unbelievable. Yeah, I mean that's yeah, so that qualifies as a bad guess and a bad bet. Well, there you go, Okay. \n\nDean Jackson\nDan. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, but you know, you know you should kind of do it in a 10-person focus group before you do it live on the Internet. \n\nDean Jackson\nOh my goodness, nobody might have been able to say, hey, wait a minute. What about this? \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, why don't we get some of these backward, out-of-touch people who happen to be the number one consumer of our product, in a room and show them our new idea? \n\nDean Jackson\nUnbelievable yeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nBut anyway it makes it for an interesting, entertaining world. Yeah. \n\nDean Jackson\nWell, you have an amazing Are you having another week at the cottage? \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, and I'll be available. Next Sunday I'll be in Chicago next. Sunday Okay. So yeah, we're going in on Saturday because Joe and Eunice are going to personality with us, so we'll see you again on Saturday night, oh nice Anyway that's good, yeah, so 11 o'clock, your time. \n\nDean Jackson\nYes, perfect, I'll be there. All right, okay, okay, bye, bye, guys. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn this episode of Cloudlandia, we journey through cottage renovations, explore the landscapes of North America, and decode the power of vision and reach in building successful ventures.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul style=\"list-style-type: circle;\"\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eThe episode begins with a discussion about cottage renovations, exploring the landscapes of North America, and building successful ventures.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eThe hosts discuss the renovation projects of Mr. Sullivan and Mr. Jackson, the smoky Quebec forest, and the history of the Canadian forest industry.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eInsight from Peter Zion suggests that even if the U.S. population doubled, there would still be room to spare, and Florida's unspoiled grapefruits are also discussed.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eThey introduce a useful tool called the FAST filter, a quick 15-minute method to help evaluate the success potential of any project.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eThe episode covers three fascinating life roles: everything is invented by someone, no one is really in charge, and life isn't always fair.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eProductivity strategies involving intense physical feats are discussed, along with the hosts' experiences with rising early and its surprising effects.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eSteve Jobs' philosophy of creating technology that's not only functional but also beautiful and user-friendly is another compelling topic.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eThe hosts critique Bud Light's marketing choices and emphasize the importance of getting feedback from the right audience.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eThe episode explores the concept of being the buyer in ventures, with examples from Mr Beast's Cloudlandia and the strategic approach of Prime energy drink.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eFinally, the hosts emphasize the importance of maintaining quality control for your product, finding the right partnerships, and understanding that everything in life and business is a guess and a bet.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nMr Sullivan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAh, Mr Jackson, are you enjoying your play show four seasons. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYes. I\u0026#39;ll tell you what it\u0026#39;s so nice that everything\u0026#39;s done now. It\u0026#39;s like having a new renovation. We got new carpet, new hardwood, new wallpaper in the kitchen. Everything\u0026#39;s all fantastic. Done now, finally. We\u0026#39;re excited about that. How about you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nyou\u0026#39;re up at two o\u0026#39;clock it\u0026#39;s yes, I am, yeah, and it\u0026#39;s been spectacular. We\u0026#39;ve done really, really great, you know, sort of that idyllic cottage, culture, weather and yeah and although it was very smoky for the first two days. Oh yeah, Because we have Quebec, you know yes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIn. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nCanada, in Canada, you always play with that Quebec. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s right, that\u0026#39;s right. It was just separate already. Come on, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBut this is a big forest area on the very west side of Quebec which is basically forest. You know, hundreds of square miles of forest. So even though it was a major fire there was, it didn\u0026#39;t affect any towns at all because there are no towns. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nRight, right, the Great Wilderness. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThere is so much nature in this country. Yes, absolutely. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, yeah, how\u0026#39;s your construction project going? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, we, you know the wheels of government approvals here really grind very slowly, and so we have to get a demolition. We have to get a demolition thing first, and we\u0026#39;re going to have it done after the college season, the cottage season is over, and it\u0026#39;ll be that\u0026#39;ll. You know, that doesn\u0026#39;t take very long, that takes a week or two. And then we have to really get the cottage fine tuned. The new design this is second. For those who are listening, this is a joining property that we have with our main tree, so we\u0026#39;ll have about 300 feet of frontage on the water with a two, and they go around a bend, and so one of them is facing sort of more west than south and one of them is more south, so there\u0026#39;s a curve. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd this is old rock. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThis is, you know, this is Canadian shield rock. Yeah, and this is 4 million years old rock and it\u0026#39;s. It\u0026#39;s a very striking locale, you know and. Muskoka, of course, is the great cottage country. We\u0026#39;re in Halliburton, which is to the east. It\u0026#39;s about you know it\u0026#39;s about an hour\u0026#39;s drive to the east and this was the great forest industry part of Canada like 1800. And the. British Navy came. The British Navy\u0026#39;s ships were mainly wood from this area. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOh well, they had a huge number. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIt was the number one industry in Canada, in what is now Canada, in the 1800. And yeah, and of course they thought, you know, there was just so much natural resource that they just cut and cut and cut. And then somebody said you know, maybe we should replant. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWe\u0026#39;re going to run out of wood. Yeah, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, well, yeah, I mean, but it goes on forever. I mean it\u0026#39;s not just here in Ontario, it\u0026#39;s in Quebec, it\u0026#39;s in when you get to Manitoba. You know you have all that and it\u0026#39;s just goes on forever. So you know, it\u0026#39;s no wonder that you know the big complaint about modern Canadians and modern Americans, how wasteful they are. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWell, when you\u0026#39;ve lived your whole culture where you couldn\u0026#39;t run out of things. It doesn\u0026#39;t make you particularly, you know, stingy. It doesn\u0026#39;t make you, yeah. So but I was thinking about that, that interesting statistic from Peter Zion that if you doubled the population of the United States, you know, sort of spreading the new population across the entire country, it would still feel. And you got to 650 million, 616 million. If you got there, the country would still feel pretty empty. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah you know it\u0026#39;s so funny, like I did a when just up and I were doing all the big real estate seminars, we were very sort of Western, western United States. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eyou know, weighted, we were doing more. You know over half of the events were in. You know, in California We\u0026#39;d do Phoenix and Palm Springs and LA and San Francisco and Seattle and Denver and you know that kind of all on the Western side and I was making the argument for more East Coast events and got a satellite view of the US by light source. Have you ever seen that map that showed light and you could draw a line, like at the Rocky, like you\u0026#39;re right up the middle of the country, and it looked like just the entire right side was lit up, where all the population is Over on the east side very much. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd you\u0026#39;re saying that makes total sense with Peter Zayam, that you could kind of fold that over even onto the west side, especially in the western United States, there\u0026#39;s nothing and that would make no difference. But out of even Florida, if you look at Florida right now, there\u0026#39;s 22 million people right now. We\u0026#39;re projected for 29 million by 2030. So we\u0026#39;re growing up to 15 million people a day right now. But the most of Florida, the entire middle of Florida, is basically the outback. I mean you can drive for miles and miles and not see anything. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWe were way back in the 70s. I went on a trip to Florida and it was on the west side. We were staying in Lakeland Florida. And we had a friend there who was a cattle breeder but he had gotten interested in citrus fruit so he had big grapefruit. But he was in a cooperative so all the work was done by the workers in the cooperative. And the neat thing about grapefruit is that it doesn\u0026#39;t spoil on the trees. Oranges- and grapefruits. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eyou can leave them hanging there for as long as you want, they don\u0026#39;t spoil. So it gives you some really good timing as far as when to pick and sell. And he was canny. He was kind of like just a canny person. He understood cattle. But we went to a cattle ranch in the middle of Florida and it\u0026#39;s like the in the lower 48 states, like the number three cattle ranch in the United. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nStates. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIt just went on. I mean, we got on the ranch and then it was 30 miles to the homestead, you know we had to drive 30 miles. Once we were on the ranch, but it was right down in the middle, just above the Everglades, and so what we saw is a lot of pigs. You know, there were hundreds and thousands of cattle, but there were a lot of pigs and they just seemed to be wandering around. And so my friend yes, no, no, they were domestic, they were domestic but they yeah they didn\u0026#39;t last long enough to go wild, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd anyway, he said I said what are all the pigs for? This is a cattle ranch. And he says, well, you know, yeah, you can have beef every night for so long, and he just want to change. And so we go out and just roast up a couple of pigs and eat that. And I said, well, I don\u0026#39;t think there\u0026#39;s no fences. And I said you don\u0026#39;t worry about them. He says, well, how are they going to get off the ranch? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWe had to go 30 miles. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s a real trip for a short-legged pig, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nRight right, right right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBut anyway, the sheer size, and this is, you know, psychologically, if you go back, the huge difference between the New World and the Old World. If you think about Europe, where every square inch of landscape is surveyed and owned and is populated, I mean I think Holland has the greatest density in any country in the world, even more so than some of the Asian countries. Oh really, wow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd yeah, and then they come to this New World and they just give you 100 acres. You know, like, here we\u0026#39;re just going to basically for almost nothing. We\u0026#39;re going to give you 100 acres and see what you, if you make an improvement on it over the next five years, then you own the. We\u0026#39;ll give you the land for life. You know, and everything like that. And what a draw that must have been for people who had nothing in Europe, especially in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nEurope. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, you know, if you can make it across the ocean, we\u0026#39;ll give you land and the New World. Yeah, and if all that\u0026#39;s taken where you are, then just go another 50 miles to the west. There\u0026#39;s a lot and my sense is the frontier took from 1620, jamestown, you know, the first permanent settlement in town, virginia, to 1890,. When they finally surveyed the last bed of whichever western territory, it was In 1890, they, it was all surveyed and they said the frontier is now officially over. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, we have no more frontier and but that 270 years, really, I put an incredible stamp on probably what would you say? 15 years per generation, even let\u0026#39;s say 20 years per generation, so 20, you know it\u0026#39;s about 15 generations. And that probably just put a permanent stamp on psyche of the Americans. Yeah, you look at the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI mean it\u0026#39;s amazing now if you take the parallel and you bring it into Cloudlandia, if you count Jamestown, if Jamestown was 1996, you know when everybody started kind of landing in Cloudlandia even though there was no infrastructure, really there was no, you know, no electricity, no, all of that stuff. You look at the highway system and we liken the development of Cloudlandia over, you know, a generation and a half here. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, and that\u0026#39;s, and we\u0026#39;re never going to run out. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s the amazing thing. Well, there\u0026#39;s an infinitely. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThere\u0026#39;s an infinitely expanding frontier in Cloudlandia and you\u0026#39;re not trespassing. You\u0026#39;re not really trespassing in the same way you do on the mainland, right yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd I think that\u0026#39;s why? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e0*\u003cem\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/em\u003e*\u003cbr\u003e\nyou know the chat GPT took over. You know which is the latest new adventure in Cloudlandia is chat GPT that if you look at the numbers, they say 100 million. Right away, 100 million people are using it and I said but not everywhere, not everywhere and my sense is that it\u0026#39;s. I was just breaking it down. I said it\u0026#39;s mostly Americans or people connected to it. There are people connected to America digitally. It\u0026#39;s probably males, they\u0026#39;re probably single and they\u0026#39;re probably between 25 and 45. And they just want to go places where nobody\u0026#39;s gone before. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd this is they got a vehicle for doing this, and that\u0026#39;s the frontier, that\u0026#39;s the frontier mentality. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWhat\u0026#39;s beyond the? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nsettled territory. What\u0026#39;s beyond the settled territory? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nRight, right, right. And what are you going to settle on the territory? I mean, this is the really. This is the thing. It\u0026#39;s such amazing times, like a couple of things that that have jumped out over the last little bit here. Here I just saw that Mr B Again now with feastable new company is chocolate. Your confection company is global. Now They\u0026#39;ve got in there all over the world. They\u0026#39;ve taken over the United States and things. And I read what happened in the last few weeks is Mr Beast has sort of soured a little bit on on Mr Beast burger as a as a collaboration, in that he can\u0026#39;t control the quality of what the product is being delivered. Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere\u0026#39;s a little variation because it\u0026#39;s going, you know, it\u0026#39;s expanded so quickly and there\u0026#39;s so many restaurants making the, you know, making his burgers, making the menu, and that was a collaboration largely driven by someone coming to him with that like virtual dining concepts. But Robert Earl was the driver of that. And so, if we take the VCR formula, robert Earl went to Mr Beast with the capability offering to bring him into the burger business with tapping him in his range Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSo it wasn\u0026#39;t there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIt wasn\u0026#39;t driven by Mr Beast and it wasn\u0026#39;t Mr Beast capability to to do the thing. Now feastable. What they did was they started with division and they sought out the capability and they\u0026#39;re the. It reminded me of your always be the buyer. That there\u0026#39;s a difference where, with your the visionary, you\u0026#39;re the buyer of this Right. Your your partnering with a capability that, if you have the vision and the reach, partnering with the capability is that\u0026#39;s kind of the power position and the difference between feastables, which is packaged goods that you can 100% controlled quality of, and then partnering with Walmart as reach to multiply the reach that you have a physical you know Mr Beast\u0026#39;s Cloudlandia reach with an outlet at the largest footprint retailer reach in the country Makes a huge, huge difference. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s a product-based thing. I look at prime. There\u0026#39;s another major story in the VCR world right now, which is prime energy drink, which was driven by Logan Paul and KSI another you know, two big global YouTubers who have partnered to make this energy drink and they\u0026#39;re, you know, last year sold 250 million dollars of this energy drink and now they are kind of funny how this the you know it\u0026#39;s like VCR squared. They are now as an entity, a capability, partnering with other big reach outlets like they. They\u0026#39;re the official hydration of USC, the ultimate fighter competition, the Dana White big MMA thing, and they were just announced as the official hydration of the Barcelona football club, which is a huge international thing, and they did it with Manchester United and those guys are there\u0026#39;s no limit to where that\u0026#39;s going A package, good product that they\u0026#39;re the driver of the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, and, as you said, the central issue here is quality control. Yes yes, I mean a shitty restaurant. Anyway can produce shitty, mr Beesburgers. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s exactly what I mean. Yes, that\u0026#39;s the thing, right that you\u0026#39;re, rather than having something that you can just deliver to somebody in the experience, the unboxing, it\u0026#39;s only just distributed to some. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, you know my newest quarterly book is called the Geometry for Staying Cool and Calm, and one of the there\u0026#39;s three roles which we\u0026#39;ve You\u0026#39;ve very kindly talked about on the podcast. The three roles are everything\u0026#39;s made up by someone sometime. Okay, sometimes someone made up something, so things that are thousands of years old, it was still. Someone at some time made this up. Somebody wrote it down, you know. And somebody said, well, what about the Bible? And I said somebody wrote it down. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know it was just a discussion until somebody wrote it down, somebody. Okay, so the big thing is that if you take the three roles, everything\u0026#39;s made up. Nobody\u0026#39;s in charge, and number three, life\u0026#39;s not fair. There\u0026#39;s some byproducts that come out of that, and number one of the things that come out of that is it\u0026#39;s all guessing and betting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo, the future is all about betting. Yeah, the future is all guessing and betting, you know. And so when you hear somebody this is very definitely technology is going in this direction what you have is someone telling you that they\u0026#39;re guessing on something and they want you to bet on it. And so this whole notion that the future is predetermined is silly, because even with Mr Beast, who knows the power of YouTube I mean, he\u0026#39;s proven that he knows the power, just with his community is hundreds, you know more than 100 million, but he\u0026#39;s guessing what he can do with that community and he\u0026#39;s betting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo Mr Beast, mr Beastburger was a bet, okay, and took up time, took up energy, took up skills, took up probably some money, and with him it\u0026#39;s not so much money, it\u0026#39;s just how does he want to spend his time, you know that\u0026#39;s really, I think, his biggest thing is not wasting time, you know but he just tested on something. And now one thing he\u0026#39;s learned we have to control the product. That\u0026#39;s. That\u0026#39;s a useful learning. I\u0026#39;m sure he didn\u0026#39;t lose any money on Mr Beastburger he\u0026#39;s still going strong still going strong. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBut he\u0026#39;s just losing. Like it was an interesting thing, he tweeted that you know that he can\u0026#39;t. You know virtual diving solutions won\u0026#39;t let him out of the, they won\u0026#39;t let him out of the contract or he can\u0026#39;t stop. Even he said you know I can\u0026#39;t, my partners won\u0026#39;t let me stop, even though it\u0026#39;s bad for my brand, you know which is really interesting Well he\u0026#39;s at 20, you know, at 26,. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI\u0026#39;m not sure his exact age, but 24, 26. He\u0026#39;s learned a powerful lesson that applies for the rest of his life. You got to be the owner. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYes, always be the buyer. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYes, yeah, yeah, and you know he just learned it. I mean, I didn\u0026#39;t learn that until I was in my 50s. I\u0026#39;m a committed learner, but sometimes I\u0026#39;m a slow learner. I\u0026#39;ve got a tool variation for you, OK. Ok, and this was prompted by your raising the topic of Dean Landia. So I\u0026#39;ve always kind of liked the tool we have called the FAST filter rather than the big impact filter. Yeah, and the FAST filter. The FAST filter, you just write down here\u0026#39;s the project, here\u0026#39;s the best result, here\u0026#39;s the worst result and here are five success criteria. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd for all practical purposes. It does 90% of what the impact filter does, but in about half the time about half the time. So you and I are people of a quickness nature that we\u0026#39;ve got 15 minutes or we lose interest. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo I go for a tool that only takes 15 minutes. But here\u0026#39;s the thing, and this is a question for you. But I\u0026#39;ll just tell you what I did Of all the profiles that we\u0026#39;ve done the Colby profile, we\u0026#39;ve done in coach, we\u0026#39;ve done the Colby profile, we\u0026#39;ve done Myers-Briggs, we\u0026#39;ve done Desk. You know D-S-I-D-I-Z, we\u0026#39;ve print and we\u0026#39;ve just done the working genius. And everybody in FreeZone is going to get that in the next quarter. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe\u0026#39;re just sending it out in September, everybody and just go do that profile and they can do that with their teams, and you know the whole thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut of all of them and I didn\u0026#39;t mention it yet, but the one that really struck home for me was the Strength Finder, which came out of the Gallup organization. So my five strengths are number one ideation. You know that if I\u0026#39;m going to take action on something, it\u0026#39;ll be on an idea. Number two maximizer. I\u0026#39;m interested in ideas that don\u0026#39;t take average things and make them better. I\u0026#39;m only interested in things that take already extraordinary people and make them even more productive. So, maximizer. Number three, self-assurance is that personally, I don\u0026#39;t think I can ever get into trouble with a new idea. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know that I always have confidence that you know it\u0026#39;ll either work or I\u0026#39;ll get some learning out of it. But there\u0026#39;s no loss with coming up with a new idea. And number four is context. Is that I\u0026#39;m passionate about how this connects to everything. So if I create something, I immediately want to know how does this connect to everything else I\u0026#39;ve done? And number five is activator, that there\u0026#39;s no idea we\u0026#39;re spending any time if it does not lead to action. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSo those are my thoughts. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd you know, experience and the observation of my team would pretty well prove it out that there isn\u0026#39;t any one, any other strength on the list of 34, these are the top five out of 34. That would replace one of the ones that are in the top five. Okay, and that\u0026#39;s good enough for me. That\u0026#39;s good enough for me. I said I don\u0026#39;t think so either, and so what I did is that on the stra, on the fast filter, you have five success criteria, so I just put in the five, you know ideation, multiple maximizer, self assurance, context and activator. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then I think of a particular project and I said, okay, so what\u0026#39;s the central idea here? What\u0026#39;s the central idea here? Ideation, okay, and really make a big jump with it. Maximizer number three that this will, if you pull this off as the real jump in your self assurance, okay, number this actually connects with about five other things that I\u0026#39;m doing, or 10 other things that I\u0026#39;m doing. That\u0026#39;s context and number five, activator, and I can immediately see that I can take this action within the next day or two. And then I go back and I write worse result of doing this, best result. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo I do it backwards, I do the five success criteria first and then I do worse result and said ah, this is just one of your another hair brain scheme that you get all excited about and you distract a lot of other people. I tell the whole story how this is just puts me in the ditch like other. And then I go to the best result and I said this is a breakout moment in my entire 17 to 29 year life and everything and away we go. And so I just wondered did you do the strength finder, did you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI did years ago and it\u0026#39;s for ideation, ideation was at the top of my. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, we\u0026#39;re both ideation which probably people could guess yes. And that\u0026#39;s what it\u0026#39;s interesting, but it\u0026#39;d be interesting because you\u0026#39;ve got the fast filter on your website. You just yeah, but all you do is that you the first word in the five success criteria are the five strength finders, you just put the first word and then you say and you know, and you can see what that, their explanation of each of those are. But you kind of know anyway. But I\u0026#39;m noticing that it does amazing things with projects. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eFirst of all, it gives you an incredible amount of immediate motivation to do the project because it checks off all the boxes where you get energy. Anyway, I just thought it would. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSo everybody would put in the fast filter, they would feed their five. Their five strength finders. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWith their five strength finders. So it custom designs it immediately that you\u0026#39;re only doing this project for your purposes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYes, where could I find my strength finder again, oh. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nJulia Waller. I\u0026#39;m at the cottage and she\u0026#39;s in the next cottage. I\u0026#39;ll just, I\u0026#39;ll see her tonight and I\u0026#39;ll just said could you just look up Dean Dean Jackson\u0026#39;s strength finders? Okay, great, and if she can\u0026#39;t, she\u0026#39;ll just give you their contact information. I mean, you do it over again. It\u0026#39;s $35, $40, something like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSo you know you you gotta do it, but it\u0026#39;s a very, I think you know, do four or five of them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nJust take that random, just take five projects and run it through. And you see that it makes you into the total buyer of everything that you do. I don\u0026#39;t go into this unless it checks off my five strength finder boxes. I\u0026#39;m not devoting an ounce of energy unless it checks off my boxes, and I think that\u0026#39;s as good a definition of what being a buyer for you means as it does you know, anyway, so just thought you\u0026#39;d be interested in that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, I\u0026#39;m very fascinated by that because that I\u0026#39;ve gone through and I\u0026#39;ve had a buddy on my team through the working genius and James probably put together a team profile that shows a map of where everybody is on your team. So when you\u0026#39;re building, you\u0026#39;re kind of the next thing. When you\u0026#39;re going forward with a project, I know that we need all of the widgets, you know we need everybody, somebody\u0026#39;s genius in every aspect of it to get it all the way through, all the way from wonder to synastomy, somebody to follow through with it, and so that\u0026#39;s kind of a. I like all these combinations. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI love what you\u0026#39;re looking for, what I\u0026#39;m looking for is just the one tool that works everywhere. You know, I mean I created lots of you know and coach. We\u0026#39;ve created lots of tools, but I\u0026#39;m just always looking for the one tool that\u0026#39;s a really fast tool. That\u0026#39;s just the starting point for everything. You know, just yeah, and you know it\u0026#39;s like Jack Pell. I\u0026#39;m talking to Billy Crystal and you know Billy Crystal and he said I\u0026#39;m going to give you, billy, I\u0026#39;m going to give you the secret of life. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd he holds up his finger, one finger, and Billy Crystal says your finger is the secret to life. And he says yeah, but we\u0026#39;re all looking. I mean, especially if you\u0026#39;re AD and you\u0026#39;re a 10, quick start and ideation is your number one strike fighter, you\u0026#39;re subject to a lot of distractions, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nLike hourly, like hourly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, yeah, and sometimes in the middle of the night and so funny that that was where. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOh, by the way, michael. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBruce. I\u0026#39;m meeting weekly with Michael Bruce and he just wanted to pass on his best wishes to you. Oh good, we had some conversations where he\u0026#39;s really good at what he\u0026#39;s really good. I tell you he\u0026#39;s really really good at what he does. Yeah, For the listeners, this is a great sleep psychologist named Michael Bruce. He lives in Hermosa Beach, California, and yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I\u0026#39;m going through a 12 week program with him where I have to diary my sleep every night in the morning. I do that and the whole thing is to get me two things. One is to establish a regular get up time for me which is five o\u0026#39;clock. So this is really good, because I\u0026#39;m in my just finishing my fourth week now and I\u0026#39;ve gotten up at five o\u0026#39;clock every morning for 28 days and then he won\u0026#39;t let you go to bed earlier. I\u0026#39;m at 10 30 now, so I get six and a half hours sleep. But the ultimate goal here is one is that I always have a wake up time that\u0026#39;s predictable, so that my system kicks in and creates the sleep drive during the day. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI don\u0026#39;t have to use meds at night. And I\u0026#39;m down to half of my meds after four weeks. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo in just four weeks. I\u0026#39;m off half and then during the day I don\u0026#39;t have to use Adderall to propel me for the whole day. So I have an early morning slow release. I have a slow release that I take right away. He\u0026#39;s leaving that alone. And at night I have a lunesta that I take just to start the night, and he\u0026#39;s leaving that alone. He\u0026#39;s gotten rid of the halfway, the two thirds through the night sonata, so that\u0026#39;s gone. And my daytime Adderall, like let\u0026#39;s say, afternoon, that\u0026#39;s gone. So I pre-dropped two of them in four weeks, so it\u0026#39;s really good. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nDid you get a chance to experiment with telling yourself you could be being happy that you get to have the best two hours of sleep? Two hours here when you wake up. I\u0026#39;ve tried that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI\u0026#39;ve tried that, you know, but that\u0026#39;s a trick that we had. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere\u0026#39;s this mad, crazy sort of like survival thing I forget what it\u0026#39;s called, but where you go four weeks and you\u0026#39;re a team of four One of them has to be a woman and you have to climb mountains, you have to swim across you know straights of water, you have to go through jungle and everything else, and you only have 24, 96 hours to pull it off and they have tricks, and one of the tricks is they go on two hours of sleep per night, but it\u0026#39;s the last two hours before sunrise and if you wake up at sunrise, your body thinks that you, for four days, your body can pull you, or your mind can pull your body into believing you got full night\u0026#39;s sleep four nights in a row, and then it falls apart on the fifth day. Really, you go one. Yeah, yeah, so it\u0026#39;s an interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd that you\u0026#39;re, that, you know, limiting to six and a half hours, or whatever that worked out to be, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBut this is not forever, this is just to get me through this period and I think I think I\u0026#39;m probably at my limit right now. I don\u0026#39;t think he\u0026#39;s going to push it any further, and but he might. And first it was seven hours, then it was so it was 10 o\u0026#39;clock and then it was 1015 and now it\u0026#39;s 1030. So we\u0026#39;ll see I\u0026#39;ve had lots of energy and I\u0026#39;ve gotten lots of things done. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBut what I\u0026#39;ve done is wherever, why. I\u0026#39;m curious about why five am. Is that? No, you choose that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYou choose that. No, you choose that, you choose that, but then it\u0026#39;s that\u0026#39;s what it is. So he said you get up anywhere from four to five, 30. But if you had to do it every morning, which would you do? And he\u0026#39;s the upside. Both agreed we do it at five o\u0026#39;clock and he says good, so five is fixed. So regardless of when you go to bed although I\u0026#39;m not going to let you go to bed earlier than 10 o\u0026#39;clock, the one time we did, we went to see Jeff Maddox, Premier play a Premier week personality in Chicago, which is a dynamite play and musical, and he, we got home at two o\u0026#39;clock in the morning. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt was downtown and we went out afterwards and I said Baps, there\u0026#39;s no way we\u0026#39;re getting up at five o\u0026#39;clock, so we just got up at nine o\u0026#39;clock because we had to get to the airport to play home. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI said, you know, every once in a while. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI\u0026#39;m just going to. I mean, yeah, rows aren\u0026#39;t any good if you can\u0026#39;t make exceptions. Right, right, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, my, I would love, like I think, that my natural if I just look at my natural cycle, it would probably be it would eight hour period, it would probably be 11 to 7 would be my natural preferred. I think that\u0026#39;s like the person, yep yep, I think everybody\u0026#39;s rhythm for me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIt doesn\u0026#39;t matter just his whole point is it doesn\u0026#39;t matter what the hours are, just so that you stick with it, because your body adjusts and then adjusts its system. But if you\u0026#39;re all over, the map with it your body, then you get all sorts of sleep disorders and right, right, right yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut I\u0026#39;m from childhood I\u0026#39;ve been an early riser, you know farm boy, you were at the break of dawn and you know I was in sports going through schools. You were too, but you got up early. You had morning practices and and it was in the army, army you get up at, you know you get a six, six o\u0026#39;clock, you know so you know I was just used to it and and I find that most creative before noon. You know I get most my creative creativity. I can talk endlessly after three o\u0026#39;clock, but don\u0026#39;t ask me to create anything in the afternoon. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s funny. I have a second, like if I were to say I have a second period of period, you know, like three or four in the afternoon till six or seven. That\u0026#39;s like a really good. If I just look at my, you know, biorethm or whatever it\u0026#39;s first thing in the morning, you know, till noon, and then another, I think the European, you know the fiesta model is like the perfect thing, I think. You know. Get, get up, do what you do creative work. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, you\u0026#39;ve got forward a heat. You got forward a heat to blame on it, even though you\u0026#39;re in air conditioning. But you know, you know I think it\u0026#39;s a light thing too how much light you get. You get way more light than we do in Toronto during the year. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYou know it\u0026#39;s fun the way that you and I talk about these things. You know different approaches to it, but part of the thing, I guess, is picking the game that you like in the way that you like to play the game and establishing your life around it, you know, just fitting it into what you\u0026#39;re natural and not everybody\u0026#39;s the same, like like you. For you, I don\u0026#39;t like the idea of waking up at five o\u0026#39;clock. Even you know Robin Sharma. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eDo you know Robin Sharma wrote the five AM club, so I had lunch at the table I sure don\u0026#39;t want to. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI\u0026#39;ll get up at five, but I\u0026#39;m not going to be a member of the club at five o\u0026#39;clock. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nExactly the five AM club. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAre you kidding? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI said you know it\u0026#39;s so funny that everybody tries to in personal development. It feels like everybody tries to pigeonhole you into their method of you got to get up at five AM and if your dreams aren\u0026#39;t big enough to get you bouncing out of bed in the morning, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThe last time I saw Robin was at the Soho hotel in London, and he just happened to be in the restaurant when I was there, so we pulled up a table. You know, we got a table together and I was talking. He was saying, you know, he was sort of at a decision point in his. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know what he was doing and you know that every he had stages and he was at the end of one of his stages and he was and I said, robin, maybe it\u0026#39;s time for the monk to buy a new Ferrari. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s right, I love it. So for everybody listening Robin Sharma, very famously, first thing, wrote a book called the Monk. We sold his Ferrari and that\u0026#39;s great, that\u0026#39;s my favorite. Ferrari. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI think that\u0026#39;s fantastic Dan His language, so he wouldn\u0026#39;t, it\u0026#39;s his language so he would know what that means. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nyou know Of course, and it was just so perfectly appropriate, like once you, you know it\u0026#39;s so funny that the you know I think about that often and for the last 25 years, or 23 years, my go-to I know I\u0026#39;m being successful when I\u0026#39;ve been. You know, I wake up every day and ask what would I like to do today? And maybe it\u0026#39;s time that I wake up and ask myself what would I like to do tomorrow instead of doing and do the thing that I need to wake up. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI wake up every day and I know exactly what I\u0026#39;m doing for the day and that\u0026#39;s another variation, not that you\u0026#39;d want to make this the main course, but just for sort of space. Is you wake up in the morning and say what am I glad I didn\u0026#39;t do yesterday? Ah right, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nPhew, that was close. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI almost did that. I almost did that and I didn\u0026#39;t do it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat is funny, I get point for that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThey asked Steve Jobs very close, you know like you\u0026#39;re to be very died. They asked him what were the 10 best decisions he had made during his Apple career and he says the 10 times I said no to something that would have really gotten us bogged down if we had pursued Wow, yeah. So I think that\u0026#39;s as useful as what did you achieve? It\u0026#39;s what did you not? It\u0026#39;s not what a lot of people grade themselves on what they said yes to, but they there\u0026#39;s just as much value in remembering what you said no to. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd we have the tool, the experience transformer and coach. You know where you take something that you haven\u0026#39;t resolved in your mind. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I had everybody just pick something during their teenage years. Because there\u0026#39;s a lot of stuff that goes on in teenage years. You know that\u0026#39;s not understandable at the time and maybe you didn\u0026#39;t resolve it at all afterwards. So I said just pick something that\u0026#39;s negative from your teenage years that anytime you\u0026#39;re reminded of it it kind of rankles. You still get an emotional, negative, emotional hit from it. And so they picked it. You know a number of people. It was a relationship, okay, you know, and this one guy said he says boy, and what we do is you write down what worked about that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd they this is the hardest time of it because their memory of it is nothing worked about it. But then you go through and he said and then he you know. And I say now, so you know. And then you say what didn\u0026#39;t work about it. So after you\u0026#39;ve done what worked about it, it\u0026#39;s easier to emotionally face the things that didn\u0026#39;t work about it. It\u0026#39;s very hard to what\u0026#39;s not working head on. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou have to you have to get your confidence level up before you can actually look at the things that didn\u0026#39;t work. And then you say, if, in a similar situation going forward, what would I do differently, based on my thinking so far. So yeah, and this one guy said well, I had this girlfriend and she was a knockout. Then I just thought she was going to be the woman of my life and everything else. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd and and so, yeah, we got to a nice is so what worked about that? And he says well, I didn\u0026#39;t marry her. I said you missed a bullet, didn\u0026#39;t you? You missed because he had met her about 15, 20 years later and she wasn\u0026#39;t the woman of his dreams. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWhen he met her? Yeah, and I\u0026#39;m sure the women. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThe women would have the same story to tell about men. Thank God I didn\u0026#39;t marry him, so anyway. But but I\u0026#39;m a great believer in reworking my past. My past is my property, so I can do anything that I want with it. Your past is an interpretation of events. It\u0026#39;s yeah, I mean, our entire past is our interpretation of what certain events you\u0026#39;re not changing the events you\u0026#39;re simply changing your interpretation of the events. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I spent a lot of time in my past. You know I go back and I said what did I learn from that? Gee, that\u0026#39;s really useful, but by intent is always, I\u0026#39;m going to learn something from the past, that\u0026#39;s applicable to the future. I think that\u0026#39;s what I think, that\u0026#39;s what I think, that\u0026#39;s what humanity does Is that right Because I wondered if I thought maybe that was uniquely. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI thought maybe I spent a lot of time in the past and I do it with an analytical mind, like I think I mentioned to you, like looking back and kind of really breaking it down into the four to five year pretty serious inflection changes and looking back for three lines and recognize that when you were talking about guessing and betting, that I think that the you know it was really interesting is looking back at the things that I guessed right and bet and the. I think the reason that we take such comfort in looking back or that enjoy the fantasy of being able to go back, is that because we know the, we know the outcome now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eLooking back 25 years. It would have been, it would be really amazing to go back 25 years now that we know where it\u0026#39;s all heading. You know, we know that, having seen 2023, it would be very interesting to go back to 1997 and know that the bets that you\u0026#39;re making, you know, are going to pay off. But the real skill is to be able to turn that thinking and project forward for the next 25 years and make those bets, you know. But it\u0026#39;s also very interesting that there\u0026#39;s probably, you know, when I looked at, when I look at, 25 years is an amazing framework for looking backwards, but there\u0026#39;s not, there\u0026#39;s not a lot of. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere\u0026#39;s not a lot of things that you could kind of place a bet on with certainty that we\u0026#39;re going to pay out and a lot of the things wouldn\u0026#39;t have even come into existence, Like I think you know, if you look back at 1995, like we said, 28 years ago, the internet was just kind of getting started. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo I guess that would be one thing that you could kind of place a bet on, but all of the things that the biggest winners among the internet. Like you know, apple was going bankrupt in 1995. They were losing almost a billion dollars a year because of mismanagement and scattered efforts, and Steve Jobs didn\u0026#39;t come back till 1997 and simplified things, and so you wouldn\u0026#39;t have bet on Apple in 1995 as being and then they just crossed. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nNo, they just crossed three trillion dollars, first three trillion dollars, so there\u0026#39;s no you wouldn\u0026#39;t have guessed that in 1995. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThere were no indications that they were going to be that. But you look at that period of innovation, the 10 years from 1997 to 2007 were tremendous innovation and game changing things, all on the back of internet. And I think that if you look at, what Steve Jobs was able to see was going just like he went all in on personal computers in a phase when it ball mainframe and business. He in the 70s yeah, that 25 years or 20 years or whatever went all in on personal computing and then when he saw the internet, that was the world that he was like how can we bring the world to the devices. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, I mean, and you know, the Walkman was the breakout product of that. Well, the Apple, that wasn\u0026#39;t Apple, but. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThe iPod. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThe iPod, yeah, the iPod. I mean he just and that was strictly internet. You know that was totally making use of the internet. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI mean and the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nMac was the Mac. I mean, he always had a great operating system before he was fired. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThe iMac was the first thing that you know, really made the computer. That was really the thing that was acknowledging it\u0026#39;s all going to the internet. So the iMac was first, then that brought in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, and the other thing that he brought back much more so than he had in the first place, was his was the sense that your product should be beautiful. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd nobody in technology. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nnobody in technology did before or since has ever placed the emphasis on beautiful and ease of use and ease of use. And you know and you know, I mean, and certainly Microsoft, never twig to that, even when they saw what they were up against. They never, they never saw. Why would you make things beautiful? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know why they know right it just adds to the cost of development and everything else. Why would you do that? But if you don\u0026#39;t have that sense? But he zeroed in on the artistic market where beauty is a big deal. Style, beauty, you know, elegance, you know all those things. That\u0026#39;s really not part of the technological brain. You know most part and free, because they\u0026#39;re mostly in. Yeah yeah. And you know they, he got rid of computer. You know it was just Apple. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then they came up with their long range purpose, which was we make beautiful technology that people love using. I said, oh God, that\u0026#39;s a forever. That\u0026#39;s a forever purpose. When you\u0026#39;re not bound in by any particular technology, you\u0026#39;re not bound in by any particular period of time, You\u0026#39;re not bound in by any particular target market is we make a beautiful technology that people love using. I said, God, you can live with that forever. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI mean, if you\u0026#39;d had that 4,000 years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIf you had that 4,000 years ago, it\u0026#39;d be working. It\u0026#39;d be working today. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s so great. I love that. That\u0026#39;s a great thing, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, so what have we covered today? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWhat territory have we covered? What have we mapped out in? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nclaimed as our own. Well, I think that we\u0026#39;ve mapped out. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nLike I\u0026#39;m looking at these, you know I was fascinated by the whole. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know by the all these VCR collaborations you know, like looking at how Mr Beast, but just looking at the distinction between Feastables and Mr Beast Burger and the precariousness of kind of you know being the capability that then brings the idea to the reach. That\u0026#39;s kind of precarious, you know. But I was looking. I was just thinking about like some of the clients that I\u0026#39;m working with now that are you know, and people that I\u0026#39;ve met recently that have these amazing capability things. You know, like I was. When I heard about Feastable, I was thinking about our friend and FreeZone member, shahid in India, who makes all the biscuits and confection. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nNo same. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nCapability Pakistan. Yeah, pakistan yeah yeah, he would know the difference. Of course he would. Yeah, yeah, and I should have known the difference. I\u0026#39;ve spoken with him, had joined with him, but there\u0026#39;s a guy who\u0026#39;s like that, the capability that he has, you know, just ready for he\u0026#39;s Well it\u0026#39;s really interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nHe\u0026#39;s just started a new collaboration in Italy. Okay, using his know-how. You know they brought from that market and now he\u0026#39;s looking for the United States. And I said you don\u0026#39;t want to go to a, after you\u0026#39;ve done Italy, you don\u0026#39;t want to do another European country. And he says no it\u0026#39;s not the US. And I said great you know, yeah, that\u0026#39;s great, right, right an impact builder and what you\u0026#39;re looking for and and everything. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWell, I think the big thing is the custom designing of the future. You know, and that\u0026#39;s my use of the fast filter tool. I\u0026#39;m sort of cussed. I said, you know, I\u0026#39;m picky about going forward. I\u0026#39;m picky about, yeah, and I said, does this check the ideation box? Does this check the you know the, you know maximizer and the others? Does this check? Does it check all the boxes? And I\u0026#39;m not buying at all, you know, I\u0026#39;m just not getting involved if it doesn\u0026#39;t check all the boxes. Right, you know, but what it does, it makes something that\u0026#39;s sort of reactive and passive, makes it into active and kind of aggressive. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBecause, then you can go into any situation and say you know I\u0026#39;m, I know exactly what I\u0026#39;m looking for, and if it\u0026#39;s not there, I\u0026#39;ll know about it. I\u0026#39;ll know it almost instantly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, and that\u0026#39;s an interesting thing. I look at the maximizer, one of the realizations that I\u0026#39;m having about me and about my you know ideation and my in the widget world, my discernment and invention that those are best suited to tap into an existing engine. Like I look at the biggest impacts that I\u0026#39;ve had and been able to join something you know be an accelerant, a rocket booster to something that is always. Yeah, already exists, yeah, yeah, without me having to be an operator, because that\u0026#39;s where my strengths fall down, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah Well, I\u0026#39;ve always called you the marketing Buddha and as far as I know Buddha didn\u0026#39;t keep office hours. That\u0026#39;s right. That\u0026#39;s right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, you just enlightened the future. That\u0026#39;s all you do. You enlighten the future, yeah, yeah, that\u0026#39;s what that marketing strategist for Bud Light was doing. She was enlightening the future. She was going to elevate the brand and enlighten the future of their oh boy of their future. I said well, you certainly got a result. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAmen Holy cow. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI mean this is yeah and anyway. And a lot of people are saying that\u0026#39;s a debt grant, it\u0026#39;s not retrievable, from where they put it with one camp. Pretty amazing, yeah. Yeah, it is because I was in the local. We have a thing called Jug City here which kind of tells you that it certainly defines the customers here Jug. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eCity, you know Anyway and I was in there and I was in line. I came in and I just checked because people had their purchases in their hands. I went in and then I came out again and I saw 10 different kinds of beers being bought, but not Bud Light. And this is Canada. This isn\u0026#39;t even the United. States and everything like that. But, boy, you know you don\u0026#39;t want to get caught in a crossfire favoring one side, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI know that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd they just, she just took it into the zone. And now the former CEO of Bud Light is saying the president CEO of Bud Light should just resign. He should just resign because he\u0026#39;s been an abysmal failure and he was hired to take care of situations like this. He was hired not to get into situations like this. And now right but at least be able to extract him in Really dense. But I bet this is being studied in all the business schools. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOh, man, talk about, yeah, one of the amazing things, just like this amazing story. You know, yeah, such an, I can\u0026#39;t even I think I\u0026#39;m. I wonder what other examples of that. You know, can\u0026#39;t even think of anything that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nNo, I can\u0026#39;t think of a single. I mean Target had a little whiff of that, but they got out of it pretty soon because they were, and you know this is the third rail of the subway. You don\u0026#39;t touch the subject, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI guess it\u0026#39;s a little bit back to when the Ford Pintos were exploding again. Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, nobody would touch up Ford Pinto or. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat would ruin the driving brand right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYou know I mean we live in a million times more viral communications world now than we did back then. And you know I mean I go whoa. And now Dylan Mulvaney, the actress in the situation, is bashing Bud Light for nuts sticking up for her, you know and everything. Wow, wow, wow she\u0026#39;s saying we\u0026#39;re done with you. We\u0026#39;re done with you. So the very target audience they were going out Unbelievable. Yeah, I mean that\u0026#39;s yeah, so that qualifies as a bad guess and a bad bet. Well, there you go, Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nDan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, but you know, you know you should kind of do it in a 10-person focus group before you do it live on the Internet. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOh my goodness, nobody might have been able to say, hey, wait a minute. What about this? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, why don\u0026#39;t we get some of these backward, out-of-touch people who happen to be the number one consumer of our product, in a room and show them our new idea? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nUnbelievable yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBut anyway it makes it for an interesting, entertaining world. Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, you have an amazing Are you having another week at the cottage? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, and I\u0026#39;ll be available. Next Sunday I\u0026#39;ll be in Chicago next. Sunday Okay. So yeah, we\u0026#39;re going in on Saturday because Joe and Eunice are going to personality with us, so we\u0026#39;ll see you again on Saturday night, oh nice Anyway that\u0026#39;s good, yeah, so 11 o\u0026#39;clock, your time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYes, perfect, I\u0026#39;ll be there. All right, okay, okay, bye, bye, guys. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In this episode of Cloudlandia, we journey through cottage renovations, explore the landscapes of North America, and decode the power of vision and reach in building successful ventures.","date_published":"2023-07-19T11:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/75f063a0-9916-49c4-93ab-8552755fb4ad.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":41647468,"duration_in_seconds":3436}]},{"id":"03fcb376-de3f-4656-be62-c1ee770823aa","title":"Ep101: From Enhancing Productivity to Breaking Dependencies","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/101","content_text":"In today’s episode of Welcome to Cloundlandia, Dan and I dive into the power of mental images and harnessing our imagination to overcome trauma and achieve our objectives\n\n\u0026amp;nbsp\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\n  Dean speaks on Implementing the 50-minute focus finder system. Which for him lead to a significant reduction in screen time and increased productivity.\n  Setting goals, creating an optimal environment, limiting distractions, and establishing a fixed timeframe can help improve focus and efficiency in both personal and professional life.\n  Studies have shown that mental images and imagination can be powerful tools to overcome trauma and achieve goals.\n  Working with sleep psychologists and brain function experts can help reduce reliance on medications like Adderall and improve overall well-being.\n  Changing sleep habits is crucial for better restorative rest and overall well-being.\n  Entrepreneurs can create their own pathways for success by committing to their own goals and carving out opportunities.\n  The gap between what is taught in schools and what is valued in the marketplace may contribute to declining college enrollment.\n  Collaboration is essential for success in any endeavor.\n  Targeted writing and AI newsletters can be valuable tools for entrepreneurs.\n  Maintaining reserve currency status is important for the US dollar and global economy.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\n\n\nDean Jackson\nMr Sullivan. \n\nDan Sullivan\nMr Jackson, you're in full voice There we go. You are in full voice today for Welcome to Cloudlandia. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat is exactly right, and it's been a great week in Cloudlandia and, more particularly, a great week in Deanlandia. Okay, that's the reason. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThat's the reason that Dean Jackson creates between the mainland and Cloudlandia. A lot of people don't know that, but there's a secret territory between these two worlds. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's a secret territory. I love it, and there's a secret handshake to access. I know it's a funny thing. One of the. \n\nDan Sullivan\nSecret tattoo. There's a secret tattoo. There's caps, t-shirts and mugs. That's right. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's so funny, but not bumper stickers. \n\nDan Sullivan\nBut not bumper stickers. \n\nDean Jackson\nNo bumper stickers. In Deanlandia I've had an interesting, I'll tell you. I mentioned to you the distinction that I discovered between less screen time and more dean time And I successfully lowered my screen time by 29% this week. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWhat specifically did you go after? \n\nDean Jackson\nI spent more time. Everything that I do, i get done in what I call 50-minute focus finders, and the basics of the idea are that I've had ADD and I would always look at, even with the best intentions. I would want to do something, but I would find it difficult to focus or to do what I say I'm going to do without any supervision or accountability. So I started saying to myself listen, is it true that I can't focus, and is there any situation in my life where I can? And I immediately started thinking about golf And I thought I can play golf for four or five hours in a row with no problem. I can do that all the time. I can go to movies. I love going to movies And I don't have a problem with that. That's a couple of hours. \n\nAnd I started looking at what are the characteristics of what's going on with golf that makes it so easy for me to keep my word on that or to focus on that for an extended period of time. And it developed into an acronym for golf, which is all the characteristics of why I'm able to focus on that particular activity. And I thought, ok, well, first of all, the G is there's a goal, and a goal. I'd see the goal as a decision that I've made, the decision that this is what I'm going to do. I put it in the calendar. I'm going to play golf on Friday afternoon And it's in my calendar And I work all the way around it, right, everything. It's there as an anchor. Then O is for an optimal environment And a golf course is the optimal environment to play golf. \n\nIt's set up perfectly for the task. You've got all the holes are already laid out. You start on the first tee. You kind of get on that. Ned Hollamall would probably refer to it as a bobsled run. You start at hole number one and you work your way all the way through to the 18th hole And then you're done. \n\nThere are limited distractions. Is the L meaning there's not no internet? no, especially if you leave your phone in your bag or in your locker, There's limited distractions. You're able to stay on track. You've got all the equipment, everything you need, right there in your bag, in your golf bag, and F is a fixed time. And so I started thinking okay, well, how can I apply those elements to getting the things that I want to get done? \n\nthat might be, you know, not golf the proactive things that I want to get done, and so I came up with this idea of a 50 minute focus finder And I would start blocking two hour blocks in my calendar And in those two hours I could do two 50 minute blocks with a 20 minute break in between. So it would be 50, 20, 50, and that could be two hours. And so I started thinking okay, i'm going to block off this 50 minute focus for this two hour block. I'm going to establish what's the goal for this What is it that I'm going to do? \n\nAnd then what would be the optimal environment for this And so, for instance, so if I'm thinking about, if brainstorm, my new book, is the goal, then I can, i would set aside the time. The optimal environment for that is in my comfy, on my comfy white couch in my courtyard, with my light, with I'd have some water. I've got my remarkable, i've got my. You know, everything is set up for what I'm going to need to accomplish that limited distractions. I'll leave my phone in the house and not have it here as a distraction, because I want the you know distraction free environment And otherwise you know if it's dinging or flashing or there it's tempting to get distracted on that. \n\nAnd the fixed timeframe I have a timer. I have a visual 50 minute timer, that kind of I can see where, where I am in that, without having to use my phone as the timer because it's too tempting for me, and so that 50 minutes goes and I'm able to get into a flow and do what it is that I'm going to do, and then at 50 minutes the alarm dings and I can get up and move around and go get some water, maybe a cup of coffee, get, look at my phone, you know, do whatever I need to do, and then, after the 20, minutes. \n\nI come back, set the timer for 50 minutes and do it again, and that kind of thing. I find that, you know, brainstorming often leads to outlining and that, will you know, lead to whatever the next step is, but I can always set up what the goal of the of the outcome is. You know, like one of the great examples, i never have a problem focusing on Welcome to Cloud Landia. I've had ingrained golf outing for about you know I set it in my calendar. \n\nI know where I'm going to be at the appointed time. I've got an optimal environment. I've got all the tools that I need. I have my remarkable you know, just doodling and taking notes as we're going. I'm out in the courtyard, i've got a nice bottle of water here And it's effortless effortless. \n\nWell, I think, you're. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWhat's interesting about what you've just described is that you're taking a great habit and a great activity from the mainland and you're moving it into Cloud Landia projects. \n\nDean Jackson\nI agree. \n\nAnd because that's where my access portal. Yeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nMy sense is that if you look at the development of anything new in the world going back for as long as we have history, the biggest breakthroughs is where somebody develops, takes something that's really well developed in an old territory and moves it into a new territory. Okay, yeah, and I mean right now we can use the terms mainland and Cloud Landia, because we're in a current old territory, new territory, piece of history. You know the historical period. \n\nBut it would have been the same with the development of the industrial technological breakthroughs. You know, with telegraph, you know telephone, you know internal combustion engine, assembly line, you know assembly line, you know the whole thing that the people who really make the money are the people who have the courier service between the two worlds. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's a great outcome. I mean, when you think about that especially, it's funny. I was in the reading in the Wall Street Journal yesterday. There was. I get the print version on Saturday or for the weekend version of the Wall Street Journal And yesterday there was a hard-to-call newspaper in the world, by the way. \n\nDan Sullivan\nBest newspaper in the world Saturday Yeah, yeah, so in yesterday I don't know whether it was Yeah, yesterday finest newspaper in the world hands down. There's no other newspaper as good as the Wall Street Saturday edition. \n\nDean Jackson\nWell, there we go. That was your recommendation. By the way, about a year ago I started getting the physical version, but there's an article about entitled Mastering Your Mental Images. Can Make. Your Day. It's a new psychological technique aimed to use your imagination and all of your senses, overcome trauma and achieve goals. Did you read that article? \n\nDan Sulivan\nYes, I did. \n\nDean Jackson\nYes, i did. Okay, well, there you go. Very. Yeah, that's an interesting I mean, it's not so that sort of breakthrough information, but it's more supporting information that really shows what you think about. You. Bring about That's kind of. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWell, it's cheaper than Adderall, you know. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nRight, right, yeah, well, i'm on a different path right now that you might be interested in. So I'm in a 12-week program with a sleep psychologist. \n\nDean Jackson\nOkay. \n\nDan Sullivan\nOkay, his name is Michael Bruce. Do you know, michael? \n\nDean Jackson\nI do. Yeah, we found him on I Love Marketing He's yeah pretty good, well, i have nothing to say then? \n\nWell, no, tell me I want to hear all about it because It's all been said. \n\nDan Sullivan\nOh, that's so funny Between you and Joe and Michael. What else is there to say? But anyway, I was recommended him by Paramededia, who was my My Canyon Ranch go-to doctor for 10, 12 years, and then he's gone out on his own because he's spent too much time with me And be around me. You turned him into an entrepreneur. You're going to go out on your own if you're around me too much. \n\nDean Jackson\nYou're going to get infected. You're going to get infected. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYep. It's contagious, it's contagious. Yeah, anyway, one of my goals. I'm working with David Hasse, who's I don't know if you've met David or not, but he's in the pre-zone Yeah. \n\nAnd he's absolutely our number one overall doctor who is right at the center of all of our medical network, And his specialty is everything that improves the brain, the function of the brain. And so to start the program with him which was last August 2022, I set a goal that by 2024, August of 2024, that I would be off all prescription drugs. So that would include sleep medicines, Adderall and blood pressure medicines. So I have three big ones, And so along the way, I've been looking for ways of getting off the sleep medicine and Parmdedia, who really got me into having CPAP at night, which has been great. I've been doing it for 12 years. I've missed eight nights in 12 years. I really benefited from the technology. \n\nFirst of all, the machine does all the work at night. I don't even have to bother breathing. \n\nDean Jackson\nIt controls your breathing, at least the breathing in part. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYou get that. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, but it automatically. \n\nDan Sullivan\nAnd it lowers your blood pressure at night because you're not working this hard. \n\nAnd so anyway, that was great And along the way I've acquired sleep medicines which I've enjoyed Lunefta and Sonata. But the tests that Dr Assy David Assy does with me indicated that there's a long-term negative impact of these drugs. They have a neurological effects over a long period of time. And he said I know what your lifetime goals are as far as how long you want to live. I understand your goals for where you want to be 10 years ahead, 20 years ahead. \n\nAnd he said if we can take these pharmaceutical things out of your system at a certain point, that'd be good. And I said, good, well, that's my goal. Two years of all prescription drugs And I've made great progress. The one that was. In order to get off the prescription drugs. What I have to do is change my sleep habits. Okay, because those drugs, which are the sleep medicines at night and the Adrol during the day, totally undermine your ability to get deep sleep, which is the restorative. It's the restorative sleep. So and I'm happy for my relationship with these drugs I'm not dissing the drugs. \n\nAnd already I can see some nervousness on the part of the drugs that whereas they thought this was going to be a lifetime relationship, i've kind of put them on the clock And yeah. So, anyway, we started three weeks ago and he's got really, really it's a wonderful coaching program. From the standpoint. You know me being a coach, i kind of understand a really good coaching program when I see it, and so what he starts you off at is that he starts gradually depriving you of sleep. Okay, so it starts at so it started off at 10 o'clock, where we go to go to bed at 10 and we wake up at five. Okay, oh my, God. \n\nAnd that's less sleep than I am talking about. I'm talking about in bed time here you know, 10 to 10 to five And then about two weeks in he moved it to 1015. And it means you can't go to bed before 1015. Okay. So, 1015, but you always get up at five, and his ultimate goal is that, regardless of when you go to sleep at night, you always get up at five, because then your circadian rhythms can kick in and you know and they've got. \n\nYou know, from five till the evening, they've got 12 hours. They've got at least you know they've got 12, 13 hours for your natural sleep hormones to kick in and you get sleepy at the end of the day. So anyway this. So is that difference. \n\nDean Jackson\nLike do you normally, have you normally? gotten up at five, or is that new for you? \n\nDan Sullivan\nNo, we ordinarily go to bed whenever but we always make sure to be in bed more than eight hours. \n\nDean Jackson\nOkay, so that was our room, so sometimes you wake up at seven or eight or whatever. That'd be late. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThat would be late Okay. Yeah, yeah, but usually we're hitting bed at around eight, 39 at night. \n\nDean Jackson\nOkay, and then okay, right. \n\nDan Sullivan\nAnd then we put both. babs and I are morning people, so we're not we're not depriving ourselves. And then whenever we go to bed, then we put the alarm for eight hours, or more than eight hours, to get up in the morning. Okay, so that's a yeah, but it might be any time between eight o'clock and 10 o'clock that we would go to bed, but then when we got up in the morning, it would be determined by by hours later Yeah. \n\nBy like sound, you know so anyway, so it was a real strain in the first week or so. What we're going to do next hour, hour and a half at night, you know you're sort of twiddling your thumbs and you're saying what could I do? What could I do? And then, before you go to bed, three hours before, you can't have any alcohol. So no alcohol within the last three hours, no food within the last two hours and no water within the last hour. And because the you're asking the digestive system to stay awake you know and do certain things. \n\nAnd so anyway, so long story. I'm just getting the general context here of what happened. But halfway through the second week I said I wonder if I so I take two Adderall's. I take a timer at least Adderall, first thing when I get up in the morning, which is 10 megs, and then, depending on the day and what's going on in the day, i'll usually have one around two o'clock in the afternoon. Okay, because I'm I'm starting to fade during that time and bang, I take the Adderall, and you know. \n\nAnd I'm the immediate release, yeah, yeah. So I experimented. I said I wonder if I can go through the afternoon, get through the day. And I did it once and it was just before a meeting with him, so I'd have weekly meetings with him And I he said, well, let's do an experiment, let's see if you can only have one day during the next week when you use the afternoon Adderall, because you've already indicated that you're kind of ambitious here. So let's see if we can do it. And I made it through the whole week. So I like and it's been 15 days now, i haven't had my afternoon Adderall and it's gone. It's gone, you know, because it's not an addiction. \n\nDean Jackson\nIt's not an addiction. \n\nDan Sullivan\nIt's a dependency and there's a big addiction You know, you know, it's just a habit, just a habit. It's not an addiction that has hold of your nervous system. So so he says that that's really great. And then I take two meds. At night, i take a lunesta, which is like a five hour, five hour knockout drug. And then there's Sonata and usually at the five hour four hour I get up and I do a fundamental human activity I pee. Okay, Yeah, Yeah. \n\nDean Jackson\nRemember whenever you're planning to remember. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWhen you're planning the future of the human race, make sure that there's always time to pee. And so I'll pop Sonata at that point. And that's fast acting, and I go back to sleep. So this past week I've kept the Sonata. So instead of taking the full dose, i break it in half and I just take half, and it's worked. It's worked. So I've gotten seven days in where I've just done half and he said okay, you're going down vacation now next week, see if he can get rid of the Sonata. So I have. But the big thing, dean, is we have to do a complete diary every day. It's a seven day diary and then we have to send it to him before our next meeting with him. \n\nAnd then he goes and looks and he said you know pretty good. He says you're, you'll probably be about four weeks into the five weeks into the program and you will have eliminated the afternoon Adderall and the middle of the night Sonata. He says that's, that's quite amazing, amazing progress, yeah. \n\nDean Jackson\nBut I like. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI like the structure and he's very adaptable. I mean, he's got his goals He wants you to get, he wants you to have the habit of getting up at five o'clock in the morning. But I told them Friday, i met with him on Friday, just a couple of days ago, and I said you know, you've reintroduced me to a pleasure that I have not experienced, i bet, in 20 years. And what's that? It's the feeling of being sleepy. \n\nDean Jackson\nHmm, oh, interesting, so you were using the, the, the lunesta is the one that was. kind of that was the signal or whatever. right, the behavioral yeah signal to get sleepy Yeah, and so. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI was taking upper the Adderall is the upper and the lunastons and outer are downers. So I was never sleepy. \n\nDean Jackson\nI would just be, i would just be up and then I was down chemically, you know what's so funny if you say those words, and Joe and I had Richard Vigory on our marketing podcast and he talked about his daily routine of you know, two uppers in the morning and two downers in the evening, and that's where two cups of coffee in the morning and two glasses of wine in the evening. He called them as uppers and downers. Yeah, rhythm right right? \n\nDan Sullivan\nWell, Richard can do anything he wants at this stage. Yeah, richard's in, i think he's in his, he's in his 90s, you know. I mean he's, you know he's beyond. He's beyond warranty refund. I'll tell you. That's so funny. Yeah, he's a he's a yeah, he's really in the history of the last 60, 70 years of politics in the United States, yeah, And the person, people most responsible for establishing a solid conservative mindedness and conservative voting population. Richard would be in one of the top five of all the people. \n\nDean Jackson\nI think you're absolutely right. Yeah, You said something interesting about your. You've developed the routine that when you get up to pee, you take the sonesta and that's your cue to go back and have another round of sleep And I may have no issue. I heard I heard someone say you know, if you're gonna tell yourself a lie, you may as well make it a good one. \n\nAnd I started. I started thinking that well, not only that, you might will make, you might will make money on it. You know, if you're gonna, that's called marketing. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThat's called marketing. \n\nDean Jackson\nI would have the same thing again. I would wake up at five o'clock, for instance, to pee, And then sometimes I wouldn't be able to get back to sleep, right, Because then my mind would start like already you know, working on the things I'm working on for the day or whatever. \n\nBut I started telling myself the the better story. I would wake up at four often 445, 450 is around the time, usually right. And so if I wake up and it's that, i smile and I go pee and I'm saying, like I'm creating this story, that this is great because I'm gonna have the two best hours of sleep of my night. Right now I still have two hours left for the greatest sleep And I started telling myself that story and, wouldn't you know it, I ended up. I had the best two hours of sleep after telling myself that story And I thought that's an interesting thing where that matches up with this article we were talking about in the Wall. \n\nStreet Journal mastering your mental images can make your day And I thought, if I would really emotionally get you know, I would create joy out of waking up at 442 because I knew that I was gonna, with certainty, have the two best hours of the night. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah well, what you've created, mr Jackson, is a self milking placebo. \n\nDean Jackson\nExactly right, yeah, but I wonder if you tried to play. I mean, this would be interesting to try replacing your Celesta with that story. \n\nDan Sullivan\nBut Sonata, Sonata is the genus of Sonata And it's not called that on the prescription because it's generic. But anyway, anyway. Sure, i mean we do that. I mean as entrepreneurs we have a natural gift for this, You know, I mean, you know. I think this is a commitment to something you don't have the capability for yet. Right right right, yeah, you're committing to a future jump in, you know, in performance and which will be a new capability. But when you commit, you don't have the capability And that requires courage. \n\nYou know that requires courage to and, yeah, it's an interesting. You know it's an interesting, but you know more and more. I think that whether you're happy or not happy in the 21st century is the mind games that you have learned to play with yourself. \n\nDean Jackson\nYes. \n\nDean Jackson\nI think that's really. That's one of the, that's one of the core found. Imagine if you applied yourself imagining this outcome. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, yeah, you just weren't going to apply yourself to her goals. \n\nDean Jackson\nRight. \nThat's right. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, I can, Yeah, and I think entrepreneurs are asked in you know the early years, and especially when they're in the school system, to apply themselves to some other people's goals for them. And at a certain point they say well, i don't get paid for that, i don't get paid for applying myself to other people's goals, that's right. Why don't I just come up with my own goals and apply myself to them? Okay? And I bet doing it my way lets me make 100 times more lifetime income than the teacher would. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, right. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI'll never make any money that way. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, i mean to a certain extent there's such a disconnect now And Peter Diamonis and I talked about it on Friday that a 18-year-old today anywhere in North America probably elsewhere that if you get a 10-week course in welding, you know and you get a certificate at the end of the first year, you'll make $60,000 here. Yeah, because there's such a demand now that we get welders into the reindustrialization and re-manufacturing of North America right now. All requires welding somewhere along the line. \n\nAnd meanwhile, if you go to four years of university, you know, regardless of the university, you probably didn't make any money during the four years, or minimal money during the four years, and probably you're running some sort of debt at the four years And meanwhile the 18-year-old who went into welding could be making $80,000, $90,000, $100,000 by the time you graduate, and then you've learned for four years things that don't make as much as a welder. \n\nDean Jackson\nYes, that's exactly right. \n\nDan Sullivan\nAnd I think there's a shift because the incoming freshman class in the US, the difference between 2021 and 2022 was four million fewer freshmen coming into the first year of college. That's a big number Wow is that right. \n\nDean Jackson\nright compared to how many normally come into the freshman. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWell, four million more. \n\nDean Jackson\nOh yeah, but I mean that sounds like it couldn't be. \n\nDean Jackson\nWell, it's a big number. I mean there's a lot of college freshmen. Yeah, it's a big number. No, no it would be. \n\nDan Sullivan\nprobably I'll have to check the numbers, but it would be, somewhere, and then it would be at least 25% at the very least to be 25% was missing because there's a disconnect about what they're learning and what they know gets paid for in the marketplace. You don't have to have a PhD to know the difference between what you get paid for, and I think parents are seeing this and I think the teenagers are seeing this and the words passing through the ranks it's a crack for the most part, going to university for four years is a crack And they say, yeah, but there's a socializing process that goes on that's ultimately very, very valuable. And I said, yeah, but your notion of how I should be socialized doesn't agree with my notion of how I should be socialized. Wow yeah. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's something. when you look at that, you'll want me to apply myself to mindsets I don't agree to. \n\nDean Sullivan\nI don't agree with. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's why you are in the center. Imagine if you applied yourself. \n\nDean Sullivan\nYeah, that's all part of it. \n\nDean Jackson\nI think that's an interesting thing, that kids, or we as people, that you are. An integral part of this is that it's. I heard someone parsing out the words of row, row, row your boat. That's the secret to life is row, row, row your boat And gently down the stream. You know that's really the key to life. Not in the hokey pokey, i guess right, one number one. \n\nDan Sullivan\nit's your boat. Number two. you're going downstream. that upstream, that's exactly right. Yeah, not much growing required to go downstream, right. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's kind of. I think if you could argue that, saying you know, going in your unique ability, you know and row row. Row is to continue actually doing something. It's not just float, float, float your way down the stream, it's row, row, row. You're actually doing something, you know. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, it doesn't say you're the only one rowing either. \n\nDean Jackson\nRight, that's true, that's right. Get everybody on board. Yeah, it's so funny, i love other things like that. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWell, you know I mean. The interesting thing is, this always happens when you have the sudden emergence of a new territory and it's creating opportunities. It's creating wealth opportunities, achievement opportunities, you know, and freedom opportunities than the old territory, did you know? \n\nBut this happens repeatedly, i mean over the centuries, over the millennia. There's always the old territory and the new territory, and then the people who make the money are the people who can learn on both sides and create an entirely new value creation proposition that lets other people make the transition. Yeah, for example, you and Joe doing I Love Marketing. Well, this would have been meaningless probably 30 years ago. \n\nYeah. \n\nDean Jackson\nI mean, there was no there was no capability. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThere was no capability for people to take action and get results with what you were recommending, that's true. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's what's encouraging, that's kind of the, you know, when I was really looking at the 25-year framework and putting it in perspective with my plus three to that three years to get to 60 and then my next 25-year chapter starting at 60, that 28 years I started looking back 28 years ago and realized every single thing that is the biggest things right now weren't even in existence then And so encouraging when you think about, you know, the richest money, the thing the richest probably five or six people in the world weren't even didn't even start on their built all their wealth in that same period of time, And so that's kind of encouraging you know. \n\nYeah, i like that a lot And that's kind of a. That's a. So you realize well what a nice meaty period of time that is. And of course you know, looking back, there's no way that we could have predicted 25 years ago what, or 28 years ago what a podcast was, or that everybody you know you'd have an instant and available access to so much of the world's information like that. You know it wasn't even wasn't even a thing. We were definitely mainland oriented Yeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThere's no question. I mean, how many coach clients have podcasts, even though? I've you know they've been listening to my podcast, they've been listening to your podcast and but hardly any of them are you know, I think it comes down to the that it's a lack of They don't have the confidence to do it. But the only way out of no confidence is to make a commitment that you're going to get the capability. Okay, you know, by this time next year I'm going to launch a podcast series. \n\nNow, who's the how? who helps me do that? Yeah? \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nBecause you don't have to do it. I mean, there's all sorts of talent around in the world who know. I mean there's two million podcast series as of January this year and probably a lot more six months later. And all I did was start in with Joe and get the ropes And I said well, i think I can create another series. And you know and that was with Peter Diamandis I've had a couple of years with Joe to get the feel for it And we started with Peter Diamandis and you know it's great, you know it's great. \n\nAnd I have you know I have seven, you know seven regular podcasts, including our own here. Yeah, I mean it was like we were having lunch at Los Solect in Toronto And you know I brought up the idea of that procrastination is actually a form of wisdom And you said we should do a podcast on this. And I said and I said when will we start? He said what are you doing tomorrow? And tomorrow we had a complete podcast. \n\nAnd all I had to do was make a phone call And that was it, you know, and we had a podcast And you know, but podcasts are full-fledged cloud-landing capabilities. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, yeah, this is. I've had a great you know. You look at those, the taking action, the just doing the things I had to, thanks to my you know, more deemed on less screen time focus. Over the last couple of weeks I've had a really productive couple of weeks I was in the middle of. I already started a lead generation workshop that I do by Zoom And the focus, for weeks and we focus on setting up a lead generation system for your business And we do four Tuesdays And I decided to go through the process with the people who I'm going through the workshop with to demonstrate. \n\nSo one of the things that we talk about is, once we identify who your ideal target audience is, who's your ideal, your ideal prospect, then we start thinking about what would be the book that they would most definitely want to have in their, in their possession, in their collection. And so we go through a whole process of identifying, go through a book title formulas workshop where I, you know, describe the different types of book titles And have them do the exercise of creating what I call a word palette, where they think of all of the words and phrases and hopes and dreams and fears you know, all the sound bites that are going on in somebody's head, and so one of the title formulas is what we call a just do it title, which is it does what it says And you're going to do. \n\nWhat it says on the cover, like stop your divorce or think and grow rich is, are the types of action. \n\nThat's what I'm going to do compelling offers, compelling offers, and so yeah so I wrote a site, i did the workshop, i did the process with them And I created a book, a book called convert more leads at what to say to prospects so they all convert themselves. And had a nice cover of imagery of a guy on a boat on a lake and he's had his hands behind his head and the fish are just jumping in his back. That's the, that's the imagery that we did. So I created that as the cover And then in the next seven days I created the whole book. I did the reminder of being when we were in London, you know, having that conversation. \n\nI went through the whole process of brainstorm where I brainstormed all the content and set it up into the chapters and I made a great outline. And I then went into the studio and I recorded what was essentially the audiobook version, i think. Say chapter one, begin with the end in mind, and then I would talk through my talking points for chapter one, and then I said chapter two and the title of chapter two, and so I created all the raw, all the raw audio by just talking about what I wanted to say. I had that recorded And then I sent I didn't do it, but one at the studio, sent the audio to someone on my team, jack, who then took the audio, got a transcript, set up the Google doc, did a first pass edit to turn it into you know, clean it up for written kind of format, and sent it back to me. And then I was able to go in and in a period of 50 minute, focus finders edit the written transcript into the finished form of the book And it's nice. \n\nIt's a great outcome. And all the while I was doing that, i was already running ads for it. I set up the Facebook ads and generated now 293 ads of leads of people who want the book for about $3 each. You know it's a whole thing. It was such a great like during the process to actually go through with people and demonstrate what can be, what can be done. You know, yeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWell, you know the, you know, you know how to create the book. You know I mean the idea, do you? have a copy, yet You're going to run off 20 copies and send them out to your friends so you can get the, of course. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, Send them up, because I'll you know consume it and absolutely. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI'll tell you five or 10 things that reminds me of them. Perfect, i love it. \n\nDean Jackson\nSend it back to you That becomes version one and then with the input and the extension I can make version two and. but it's a nice meaty book. It's really good, really good content I'm happy with that. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah what's the idea? So I got version. Yeah, And I tell people, you know you can call 90 minute book and you can get a first draft of your book, get 20 or 30 copies and get it out to 20 or 30 people and then make your readers part of the design team. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's exactly the whole purpose. That's exactly it, yeah. \n\nYeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nPeople work for five years five years writing a book and they never, let a potential reader. First of all, they're not even clear about who the potential reader is. And you know, and my you know, i always start with one person as my potential reader and I do sort of a DOS in my mind about what the dangers, opportunities and strengths of this one person and I write the book and I do it. \n\nyou know I do do that. People say, well, I want the book to be forever, and I said, well, I have a different approach, I want to be for one person. Right, because if I nail that, if I nail that they, then you know, the one person I want is a, an entrepreneur who is already successful, who's talented, who's ambitious, and from now on, they want 10 times more freedom in their lives Freedom of money, freedom of time, money, relationship and purpose. I said I just write the book for that person. \n\nDean Jackson\nWell, you know, about? \n\nDan Sullivan\nwhat? about school teachers? I said, not interested What about government bureaucrats Not interested. What about corporate employees? Not interested. What about non-profit organization? I said I can't even say the two words to myself. It depresses me. \n\nDean Jackson\nRight, exactly. We have doctors who have non-profits. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWe have doctors who have non-profits And they say, well, can I, as a non-profit organization, be in your future? I said I can't even allow those two words to be said And I'm a workshop of mine, i said non-profit in the entrepreneurial world means something totally, totally different. For you know, i didn't get that. Can you try again? No, siri, siri. You know what Siri's main saying to me is? I didn't quite get that. \n\nDean Jackson\nI didn't quite get that. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI didn't quite get that. They say well, of course you are, you're not a person. A person would get it, You're just an algorithm and not a very pleasant one to us, with that Never been useful. \n\nI've always been a bother, so that's my take on it. Yeah, anyway, i want to tell you a little project we've got. You know, joe Stothe, do you, did you? Yeah Well, joe came to Genius while you were there by Zoom, and he gave a really great presentation on what his AI newsletter does, and so I had about eight things I was looking for at that meeting and he checked off seven of the boxes and I told him so. \n\nAnd he says and I said so, why don't we get going? And so we have. So we've sent out, we've sent out three of his AI newsletters and, just for the listeners here at the newsletter, that writes itself. So you put in some input or prompts and that is that your thought leaders that you follow in the world and you have your, you let them take advantage of things that you have that are already out in the internet And they put together a newsletter and I liked the content. I didn't like the layout. So I put in a lot of input about design characteristics. That would be consistent with coach stuff And we have certain design roles for everything that we do and I just applied them to the newsletter and we have a project manager, linda Spencer, who is overall a haunch of this, and we sent it out. So in the first three episodes first episode, we got a 56 open rate. Second one, we got a 62 open rate. Third one, we got a 66 open rate. \n\nSo that's the point to keep getting the open rate. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, where do I find up for this? \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, future, future, future scope. So just type in and, and it's a wonderful thing, and so it goes out, and then it analyzes all the feedback from the first article and then it designs the second one, which we scrutinize from an editorial standpoint, and make adjustments, and it goes back out. But more and more, what it's joining in Cloudlandia is who you want to be talking to with the? who you want to be talking to, what do they want to be hearing from you? \n\nOkay, so it keeps refining that the message is right for the, for the mainer, but yeah, really fun. \n\nDean Jackson\nI knew about future scope and daily AI, but where do. I find up for your your newsletter. \n\nDan Sullivan\nSpark. It's called Spark. We'll send it out to you. I don't, i can't do that, you know I've got a specialized who, but we'll send it out. send it out to you. \n\nDean Jackson\nAnd, by the way, great Yeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYou're. You're welcome as a columnist because all the people I mean I have a. You know I'll have a one or two sections on the newsletter, but the other four or five are coach. They're free zone, free zone clients. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, yeah, love it, love it. \n\nDan Sullivan\nAnd you can, you can put in, you know you can. For example, you can talk about your new book. You know, brainstorm, brainstorm. Yeah, so you can give a interview, you know, you can give an advance notice of what brainstorm is all about and just put it in as a blog and we'll just put it right in the newsletter. Okay, perfect, i like it. \n\nDean Jackson\nWell, this is all very exciting, yeah. I like the things that can do where you don't have to do, the stuff you know where you're using well, think about dailyai as a whole. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThink about producing a newsletter every two weeks, yeah, where you're starting from scratch every two weeks and you don't even have any sense how the ones you've sent out already are actually landing. You know, yeah, the only difference between a bad newsletter idea and a good newsletter is your rate of open and click through. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's true, yeah, and respond Yeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThere's feedback, you know, and so. so, anyway, anyway, and I wonder what Vladimir Putin is doing today. \n\nDean Jackson\nI wonder the same thing. \n\nDan Sullivan\nHe's got a lot of material for food of thought over the last five or six days, you know. \n\nDean Jackson\nAmen Yeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI mean they got within 125 miles, you know they had, you know, a couple of hundred in our armed carriers and that, and they got within 125 miles of Moscow and that's serious business, you know. And it goes to go the other way and the war is coming to them. So anyway, but you know it's easier to not start a war than it is to start a war, because once you start a war the enemy has a vote, you know, and anyway. But but this is a lot. He did three. He does really great YouTube. \n\nYou know five to eight YouTube and he did three of them yesterday, yesterday just giving you a structure on, you know the potential uprising, probably the best military force in the Russian army, which is the Wagner group, and the head of Wagner says you know we're. We've decided that the entire military leadership in Russia is incompetent and, worse than that, they're criminally corrupt and we cannot possibly win this war unless we get rid of the top military leadership and you know demonstrating words, So follow me This way, yeah. \n\nSo anyway, we're. Anyway. It's interesting. But Peter D Amonus said that he felt that Russia was collapsing as a country and that this is you know. They were supposed to have the second most powerful military in the world and it's debatable whether they would qualify to be in the top 10. And you know so lots of things, and you know so anyhow what a wonderful world, what a wonderful world we live in. \n\nDean Jackson\nDid I hear you say you're going on vacation. Now It's starting. Yeah, Let's be. Let's be cottage time by now. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, but from the cottage. next Sunday, if you're free, i will call you. \n\nDean Jackson\nI am free. Yes, i would hope I'm going to play that Awesome. I'm very excited about that. \n\nYeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, yeah So that'd be good And we'll learn more about your 50, your 50, you know your 50 men Yeah. Because you had already created Jackson Jackson times, which are 10 minutes, which are 10. \n\nDean Jackson\nJack's units. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think this is a threat to the US dollar as the reserve currency, but I think it's substantially good for you. \n\nDean Jackson\nI agree, that's what. \n\nDean Sullivan\nI'm most useful reserve currency. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's right, and I have it in abundance. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah. \n\nDean Jackson\nI was talking about that. \n\nDan Sullivan\nBecause do you see the dollars not going to be reserve currency? And I said, well, whoever replaces it? make sure you have the greatest Navy in the world, the greatest Air Force in the world and the greatest fighting, because that's the muscle that makes the dollar the reserve currency. If you don't have the, you know, the armed force to reinforce your way around the world, you can't do the reserve currency. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, exactly. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah. \n\nOkay, alrighty, that was fantastic. \n\nDean Jackson\nI will talk to you next weekend. \n\nYep. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn today’s episode of Welcome to Cloundlandia, Dan and I dive into the power of mental images and harnessing our imagination to overcome trauma and achieve our objectives\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul style=\"list-style-type: circle;\"\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eDean speaks on Implementing the 50-minute focus finder system. Which for him lead to a significant reduction in screen time and increased productivity.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eSetting goals, creating an optimal environment, limiting distractions, and establishing a fixed timeframe can help improve focus and efficiency in both personal and professional life.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eStudies have shown that mental images and imagination can be powerful tools to overcome trauma and achieve goals.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eWorking with sleep psychologists and brain function experts can help reduce reliance on medications like Adderall and improve overall well-being.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eChanging sleep habits is crucial for better restorative rest and overall well-being.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eEntrepreneurs can create their own pathways for success by committing to their own goals and carving out opportunities.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eThe gap between what is taught in schools and what is valued in the marketplace may contribute to declining college enrollment.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eCollaboration is essential for success in any endeavor.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eTargeted writing and AI newsletters can be valuable tools for entrepreneurs.\u003c/li\u003e\n  \u003cli\u003eMaintaining reserve currency status is important for the US dollar and global economy.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp style=\"font-size: 0.8em\"\u003e(AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors)\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nMr Sullivan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nMr Jackson, you\u0026#39;re in full voice There we go. You are in full voice today for Welcome to Cloudlandia. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat is exactly right, and it\u0026#39;s been a great week in Cloudlandia and, more particularly, a great week in Deanlandia. Okay, that\u0026#39;s the reason. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s the reason that \u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e creates between the mainland and Cloudlandia. A lot of people don\u0026#39;t know that, but there\u0026#39;s a secret territory between these two worlds. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s a secret territory. I love it, and there\u0026#39;s a secret handshake to access. I know it\u0026#39;s a funny thing. One of the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSecret tattoo. There\u0026#39;s a secret tattoo. There\u0026#39;s caps, t-shirts and mugs. That\u0026#39;s right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s so funny, but not bumper stickers. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBut not bumper stickers. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nNo bumper stickers. In Deanlandia I\u0026#39;ve had an interesting, I\u0026#39;ll tell you. I mentioned to you the distinction that I discovered between less screen time and more dean time And I successfully lowered my screen time by 29% this week. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWhat specifically did you go after? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI spent more time. Everything that I do, i get done in what I call 50-minute focus finders, and the basics of the idea are that I\u0026#39;ve had ADD and I would always look at, even with the best intentions. I would want to do something, but I would find it difficult to focus or to do what I say I\u0026#39;m going to do without any supervision or accountability. So I started saying to myself listen, is it true that I can\u0026#39;t focus, and is there any situation in my life where I can? And I immediately started thinking about golf And I thought I can play golf for four or five hours in a row with no problem. I can do that all the time. I can go to movies. I love going to movies And I don\u0026#39;t have a problem with that. That\u0026#39;s a couple of hours. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I started looking at what are the characteristics of what\u0026#39;s going on with golf that makes it so easy for me to keep my word on that or to focus on that for an extended period of time. And it developed into an acronym for golf, which is all the characteristics of why I\u0026#39;m able to focus on that particular activity. And I thought, ok, well, first of all, the G is there\u0026#39;s a goal, and a goal. I\u0026#39;d see the goal as a decision that I\u0026#39;ve made, the decision that this is what I\u0026#39;m going to do. I put it in the calendar. I\u0026#39;m going to play golf on Friday afternoon And it\u0026#39;s in my calendar And I work all the way around it, right, everything. It\u0026#39;s there as an anchor. Then O is for an optimal environment And a golf course is the optimal environment to play golf. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s set up perfectly for the task. You\u0026#39;ve got all the holes are already laid out. You start on the first tee. You kind of get on that. Ned Hollamall would probably refer to it as a bobsled run. You start at hole number one and you work your way all the way through to the 18th hole And then you\u0026#39;re done. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere are limited distractions. Is the L meaning there\u0026#39;s not no internet? no, especially if you leave your phone in your bag or in your locker, There\u0026#39;s limited distractions. You\u0026#39;re able to stay on track. You\u0026#39;ve got all the equipment, everything you need, right there in your bag, in your golf bag, and F is a fixed time. And so I started thinking okay, well, how can I apply those elements to getting the things that I want to get done? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ethat might be, you know, not golf the proactive things that I want to get done, and so I came up with this idea of a 50 minute focus finder And I would start blocking two hour blocks in my calendar And in those two hours I could do two 50 minute blocks with a 20 minute break in between. So it would be 50, 20, 50, and that could be two hours. And so I started thinking okay, i\u0026#39;m going to block off this 50 minute focus for this two hour block. I\u0026#39;m going to establish what\u0026#39;s the goal for this What is it that I\u0026#39;m going to do? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then what would be the optimal environment for this And so, for instance, so if I\u0026#39;m thinking about, if brainstorm, my new book, is the goal, then I can, i would set aside the time. The optimal environment for that is in my comfy, on my comfy white couch in my courtyard, with my light, with I\u0026#39;d have some water. I\u0026#39;ve got my remarkable, i\u0026#39;ve got my. You know, everything is set up for what I\u0026#39;m going to need to accomplish that limited distractions. I\u0026#39;ll leave my phone in the house and not have it here as a distraction, because I want the you know distraction free environment And otherwise you know if it\u0026#39;s dinging or flashing or there it\u0026#39;s tempting to get distracted on that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd the fixed timeframe I have a timer. I have a visual 50 minute timer, that kind of I can see where, where I am in that, without having to use my phone as the timer because it\u0026#39;s too tempting for me, and so that 50 minutes goes and I\u0026#39;m able to get into a flow and do what it is that I\u0026#39;m going to do, and then at 50 minutes the alarm dings and I can get up and move around and go get some water, maybe a cup of coffee, get, look at my phone, you know, do whatever I need to do, and then, after the 20, minutes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI come back, set the timer for 50 minutes and do it again, and that kind of thing. I find that, you know, brainstorming often leads to outlining and that, will you know, lead to whatever the next step is, but I can always set up what the goal of the of the outcome is. You know, like one of the great examples, i never have a problem focusing on Welcome to Cloud Landia. I\u0026#39;ve had ingrained golf outing for about you know I set it in my calendar. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI know where I\u0026#39;m going to be at the appointed time. I\u0026#39;ve got an optimal environment. I\u0026#39;ve got all the tools that I need. I have my remarkable you know, just doodling and taking notes as we\u0026#39;re going. I\u0026#39;m out in the courtyard, i\u0026#39;ve got a nice bottle of water here And it\u0026#39;s effortless effortless. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWell, I think, you\u0026#39;re. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWhat\u0026#39;s interesting about what you\u0026#39;ve just described is that you\u0026#39;re taking a great habit and a great activity from the mainland and you\u0026#39;re moving it into Cloud Landia projects. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI agree. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd because that\u0026#39;s where my access portal. Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nMy sense is that if you look at the development of anything new in the world going back for as long as we have history, the biggest breakthroughs is where somebody develops, takes something that\u0026#39;s really well developed in an old territory and moves it into a new territory. Okay, yeah, and I mean right now we can use the terms mainland and Cloud Landia, because we\u0026#39;re in a current old territory, new territory, piece of history. You know the historical period. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut it would have been the same with the development of the industrial technological breakthroughs. You know, with telegraph, you know telephone, you know internal combustion engine, assembly line, you know assembly line, you know the whole thing that the people who really make the money are the people who have the courier service between the two worlds. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s a great outcome. I mean, when you think about that especially, it\u0026#39;s funny. I was in the reading in the Wall Street Journal yesterday. There was. I get the print version on Saturday or for the weekend version of the Wall Street Journal And yesterday there was a hard-to-call newspaper in the world, by the way. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBest newspaper in the world Saturday Yeah, yeah, so in yesterday I don\u0026#39;t know whether it was Yeah, yesterday finest newspaper in the world hands down. There\u0026#39;s no other newspaper as good as the Wall Street Saturday edition. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, there we go. That was your recommendation. By the way, about a year ago I started getting the physical version, but there\u0026#39;s an article about entitled Mastering Your Mental Images. Can Make. Your Day. It\u0026#39;s a new psychological technique aimed to use your imagination and all of your senses, overcome trauma and achieve goals. Did you read that article? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eDan Sulivan\u003cbr\u003e\nYes, I did. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYes, i did. Okay, well, there you go. Very. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s an interesting I mean, it\u0026#39;s not so that sort of breakthrough information, but it\u0026#39;s more supporting information that really shows what you think about. You. Bring about That\u0026#39;s kind of. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, it\u0026#39;s cheaper than Adderall, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nRight, right, yeah, well, i\u0026#39;m on a different path right now that you might be interested in. So I\u0026#39;m in a 12-week program with a sleep psychologist. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOkay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOkay, his name is Michael Bruce. Do you know, michael? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI do. Yeah, we found him on I Love Marketing He\u0026#39;s yeah pretty good, well, i have nothing to say then? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWell, no, tell me I want to hear all about it because It\u0026#39;s all been said. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOh, that\u0026#39;s so funny Between you and Joe and Michael. What else is there to say? But anyway, I was recommended him by Paramededia, who was my My Canyon Ranch go-to doctor for 10, 12 years, and then he\u0026#39;s gone out on his own because he\u0026#39;s spent too much time with me And be around me. You turned him into an entrepreneur. You\u0026#39;re going to go out on your own if you\u0026#39;re around me too much. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYou\u0026#39;re going to get infected. You\u0026#39;re going to get infected. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYep. It\u0026#39;s contagious, it\u0026#39;s contagious. Yeah, anyway, one of my goals. I\u0026#39;m working with David Hasse, who\u0026#39;s I don\u0026#39;t know if you\u0026#39;ve met David or not, but he\u0026#39;s in the pre-zone Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd he\u0026#39;s absolutely our number one overall doctor who is right at the center of all of our medical network, And his specialty is everything that improves the brain, the function of the brain. And so to start the program with him which was last August 2022, I set a goal that by 2024, August of 2024, that I would be off all prescription drugs. So that would include sleep medicines, Adderall and blood pressure medicines. So I have three big ones, And so along the way, I\u0026#39;ve been looking for ways of getting off the sleep medicine and Parmdedia, who really got me into having CPAP at night, which has been great. I\u0026#39;ve been doing it for 12 years. I\u0026#39;ve missed eight nights in 12 years. I really benefited from the technology. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eFirst of all, the machine does all the work at night. I don\u0026#39;t even have to bother breathing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIt controls your breathing, at least the breathing in part. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYou get that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, but it automatically. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd it lowers your blood pressure at night because you\u0026#39;re not working this hard. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd so anyway, that was great And along the way I\u0026#39;ve acquired sleep medicines which I\u0026#39;ve enjoyed Lunefta and Sonata. But the tests that Dr Assy David Assy does with me indicated that there\u0026#39;s a long-term negative impact of these drugs. They have a neurological effects over a long period of time. And he said I know what your lifetime goals are as far as how long you want to live. I understand your goals for where you want to be 10 years ahead, 20 years ahead. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd he said if we can take these pharmaceutical things out of your system at a certain point, that\u0026#39;d be good. And I said, good, well, that\u0026#39;s my goal. Two years of all prescription drugs And I\u0026#39;ve made great progress. The one that was. In order to get off the prescription drugs. What I have to do is change my sleep habits. Okay, because those drugs, which are the sleep medicines at night and the Adrol during the day, totally undermine your ability to get deep sleep, which is the restorative. It\u0026#39;s the restorative sleep. So and I\u0026#39;m happy for my relationship with these drugs I\u0026#39;m not dissing the drugs. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd already I can see some nervousness on the part of the drugs that whereas they thought this was going to be a lifetime relationship, i\u0026#39;ve kind of put them on the clock And yeah. So, anyway, we started three weeks ago and he\u0026#39;s got really, really it\u0026#39;s a wonderful coaching program. From the standpoint. You know me being a coach, i kind of understand a really good coaching program when I see it, and so what he starts you off at is that he starts gradually depriving you of sleep. Okay, so it starts at so it started off at 10 o\u0026#39;clock, where we go to go to bed at 10 and we wake up at five. Okay, oh my, God. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd that\u0026#39;s less sleep than I am talking about. I\u0026#39;m talking about in bed time here you know, 10 to 10 to five And then about two weeks in he moved it to 1015. And it means you can\u0026#39;t go to bed before 1015. Okay. So, 1015, but you always get up at five, and his ultimate goal is that, regardless of when you go to sleep at night, you always get up at five, because then your circadian rhythms can kick in and you know and they\u0026#39;ve got. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, from five till the evening, they\u0026#39;ve got 12 hours. They\u0026#39;ve got at least you know they\u0026#39;ve got 12, 13 hours for your natural sleep hormones to kick in and you get sleepy at the end of the day. So anyway this. So is that difference. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nLike do you normally, have you normally? gotten up at five, or is that new for you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nNo, we ordinarily go to bed whenever but we always make sure to be in bed more than eight hours. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOkay, so that was our room, so sometimes you wake up at seven or eight or whatever. That\u0026#39;d be late. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat would be late Okay. Yeah, yeah, but usually we\u0026#39;re hitting bed at around eight, 39 at night. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOkay, and then okay, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd then we put both. babs and I are morning people, so we\u0026#39;re not we\u0026#39;re not depriving ourselves. And then whenever we go to bed, then we put the alarm for eight hours, or more than eight hours, to get up in the morning. Okay, so that\u0026#39;s a yeah, but it might be any time between eight o\u0026#39;clock and 10 o\u0026#39;clock that we would go to bed, but then when we got up in the morning, it would be determined by by hours later Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBy like sound, you know so anyway, so it was a real strain in the first week or so. What we\u0026#39;re going to do next hour, hour and a half at night, you know you\u0026#39;re sort of twiddling your thumbs and you\u0026#39;re saying what could I do? What could I do? And then, before you go to bed, three hours before, you can\u0026#39;t have any alcohol. So no alcohol within the last three hours, no food within the last two hours and no water within the last hour. And because the you\u0026#39;re asking the digestive system to stay awake you know and do certain things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd so anyway, so long story. I\u0026#39;m just getting the general context here of what happened. But halfway through the second week I said I wonder if I so I take two Adderall\u0026#39;s. I take a timer at least Adderall, first thing when I get up in the morning, which is 10 megs, and then, depending on the day and what\u0026#39;s going on in the day, i\u0026#39;ll usually have one around two o\u0026#39;clock in the afternoon. Okay, because I\u0026#39;m I\u0026#39;m starting to fade during that time and bang, I take the Adderall, and you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I\u0026#39;m the immediate release, yeah, yeah. So I experimented. I said I wonder if I can go through the afternoon, get through the day. And I did it once and it was just before a meeting with him, so I\u0026#39;d have weekly meetings with him And I he said, well, let\u0026#39;s do an experiment, let\u0026#39;s see if you can only have one day during the next week when you use the afternoon Adderall, because you\u0026#39;ve already indicated that you\u0026#39;re kind of ambitious here. So let\u0026#39;s see if we can do it. And I made it through the whole week. So I like and it\u0026#39;s been 15 days now, i haven\u0026#39;t had my afternoon Adderall and it\u0026#39;s gone. It\u0026#39;s gone, you know, because it\u0026#39;s not an addiction. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIt\u0026#39;s not an addiction. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIt\u0026#39;s a dependency and there\u0026#39;s a big addiction You know, you know, it\u0026#39;s just a habit, just a habit. It\u0026#39;s not an addiction that has hold of your nervous system. So so he says that that\u0026#39;s really great. And then I take two meds. At night, i take a lunesta, which is like a five hour, five hour knockout drug. And then there\u0026#39;s Sonata and usually at the five hour four hour I get up and I do a fundamental human activity I pee. Okay, Yeah, Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nRemember whenever you\u0026#39;re planning to remember. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWhen you\u0026#39;re planning the future of the human race, make sure that there\u0026#39;s always time to pee. And so I\u0026#39;ll pop Sonata at that point. And that\u0026#39;s fast acting, and I go back to sleep. So this past week I\u0026#39;ve kept the Sonata. So instead of taking the full dose, i break it in half and I just take half, and it\u0026#39;s worked. It\u0026#39;s worked. So I\u0026#39;ve gotten seven days in where I\u0026#39;ve just done half and he said okay, you\u0026#39;re going down vacation now next week, see if he can get rid of the Sonata. So I have. But the big thing, dean, is we have to do a complete diary every day. It\u0026#39;s a seven day diary and then we have to send it to him before our next meeting with him. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then he goes and looks and he said you know pretty good. He says you\u0026#39;re, you\u0026#39;ll probably be about four weeks into the five weeks into the program and you will have eliminated the afternoon Adderall and the middle of the night Sonata. He says that\u0026#39;s, that\u0026#39;s quite amazing, amazing progress, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBut I like. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI like the structure and he\u0026#39;s very adaptable. I mean, he\u0026#39;s got his goals He wants you to get, he wants you to have the habit of getting up at five o\u0026#39;clock in the morning. But I told them Friday, i met with him on Friday, just a couple of days ago, and I said you know, you\u0026#39;ve reintroduced me to a pleasure that I have not experienced, i bet, in 20 years. And what\u0026#39;s that? It\u0026#39;s the feeling of being sleepy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nHmm, oh, interesting, so you were using the, the, the lunesta is the one that was. kind of that was the signal or whatever. right, the behavioral yeah signal to get sleepy Yeah, and so. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI was taking upper the Adderall is the upper and the lunastons and outer are downers. So I was never sleepy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI would just be, i would just be up and then I was down chemically, you know what\u0026#39;s so funny if you say those words, and Joe and I had Richard Vigory on our marketing podcast and he talked about his daily routine of you know, two uppers in the morning and two downers in the evening, and that\u0026#39;s where two cups of coffee in the morning and two glasses of wine in the evening. He called them as uppers and downers. Yeah, rhythm right right? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, Richard can do anything he wants at this stage. Yeah, richard\u0026#39;s in, i think he\u0026#39;s in his, he\u0026#39;s in his 90s, you know. I mean he\u0026#39;s, you know he\u0026#39;s beyond. He\u0026#39;s beyond warranty refund. I\u0026#39;ll tell you. That\u0026#39;s so funny. Yeah, he\u0026#39;s a he\u0026#39;s a yeah, he\u0026#39;s really in the history of the last 60, 70 years of politics in the United States, yeah, And the person, people most responsible for establishing a solid conservative mindedness and conservative voting population. Richard would be in one of the top five of all the people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI think you\u0026#39;re absolutely right. Yeah, You said something interesting about your. You\u0026#39;ve developed the routine that when you get up to pee, you take the sonesta and that\u0026#39;s your cue to go back and have another round of sleep And I may have no issue. I heard I heard someone say you know, if you\u0026#39;re gonna tell yourself a lie, you may as well make it a good one. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I started. I started thinking that well, not only that, you might will make, you might will make money on it. You know, if you\u0026#39;re gonna, that\u0026#39;s called marketing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s called marketing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI would have the same thing again. I would wake up at five o\u0026#39;clock, for instance, to pee, And then sometimes I wouldn\u0026#39;t be able to get back to sleep, right, Because then my mind would start like already you know, working on the things I\u0026#39;m working on for the day or whatever. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut I started telling myself the the better story. I would wake up at four often 445, 450 is around the time, usually right. And so if I wake up and it\u0026#39;s that, i smile and I go pee and I\u0026#39;m saying, like I\u0026#39;m creating this story, that this is great because I\u0026#39;m gonna have the two best hours of sleep of my night. Right now I still have two hours left for the greatest sleep And I started telling myself that story and, wouldn\u0026#39;t you know it, I ended up. I had the best two hours of sleep after telling myself that story And I thought that\u0026#39;s an interesting thing where that matches up with this article we were talking about in the Wall. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eStreet Journal mastering your mental images can make your day And I thought, if I would really emotionally get you know, I would create joy out of waking up at 442 because I knew that I was gonna, with certainty, have the two best hours of the night. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah well, what you\u0026#39;ve created, mr Jackson, is a self milking placebo. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nExactly right, yeah, but I wonder if you tried to play. I mean, this would be interesting to try replacing your Celesta with that story. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBut Sonata, Sonata is the genus of Sonata And it\u0026#39;s not called that on the prescription because it\u0026#39;s generic. But anyway, anyway. Sure, i mean we do that. I mean as entrepreneurs we have a natural gift for this, You know, I mean, you know. I think this is a commitment to something you don\u0026#39;t have the capability for yet. Right right right, yeah, you\u0026#39;re committing to a future jump in, you know, in performance and which will be a new capability. But when you commit, you don\u0026#39;t have the capability And that requires courage. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know that requires courage to and, yeah, it\u0026#39;s an interesting. You know it\u0026#39;s an interesting, but you know more and more. I think that whether you\u0026#39;re happy or not happy in the 21st century is the mind games that you have learned to play with yourself. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI think that\u0026#39;s really. That\u0026#39;s one of the, that\u0026#39;s one of the core found. Imagine if you applied yourself imagining this outcome. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, yeah, you just weren\u0026#39;t going to apply yourself to her goals. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nRight. \u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, I can, Yeah, and I think entrepreneurs are asked in you know the early years, and especially when they\u0026#39;re in the school system, to apply themselves to some other people\u0026#39;s goals for them. And at a certain point they say well, i don\u0026#39;t get paid for that, i don\u0026#39;t get paid for applying myself to other people\u0026#39;s goals, that\u0026#39;s right. Why don\u0026#39;t I just come up with my own goals and apply myself to them? Okay? And I bet doing it my way lets me make 100 times more lifetime income than the teacher would. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI\u0026#39;ll never make any money that way. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, i mean to a certain extent there\u0026#39;s such a disconnect now And Peter Diamonis and I talked about it on Friday that a 18-year-old today anywhere in North America probably elsewhere that if you get a 10-week course in welding, you know and you get a certificate at the end of the first year, you\u0026#39;ll make $60,000 here. Yeah, because there\u0026#39;s such a demand now that we get welders into the reindustrialization and re-manufacturing of North America right now. All requires welding somewhere along the line. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd meanwhile, if you go to four years of university, you know, regardless of the university, you probably didn\u0026#39;t make any money during the four years, or minimal money during the four years, and probably you\u0026#39;re running some sort of debt at the four years And meanwhile the 18-year-old who went into welding could be making $80,000, $90,000, $100,000 by the time you graduate, and then you\u0026#39;ve learned for four years things that don\u0026#39;t make as much as a welder. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYes, that\u0026#39;s exactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd I think there\u0026#39;s a shift because the incoming freshman class in the US, the difference between 2021 and 2022 was four million fewer freshmen coming into the first year of college. That\u0026#39;s a big number Wow is that right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nright compared to how many normally come into the freshman. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, four million more. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOh yeah, but I mean that sounds like it couldn\u0026#39;t be. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, it\u0026#39;s a big number. I mean there\u0026#39;s a lot of college freshmen. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s a big number. No, no it would be. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nprobably I\u0026#39;ll have to check the numbers, but it would be, somewhere, and then it would be at least 25% at the very least to be 25% was missing because there\u0026#39;s a disconnect about what they\u0026#39;re learning and what they know gets paid for in the marketplace. You don\u0026#39;t have to have a PhD to know the difference between what you get paid for, and I think parents are seeing this and I think the teenagers are seeing this and the words passing through the ranks it\u0026#39;s a crack for the most part, going to university for four years is a crack And they say, yeah, but there\u0026#39;s a socializing process that goes on that\u0026#39;s ultimately very, very valuable. And I said, yeah, but your notion of how I should be socialized doesn\u0026#39;t agree with my notion of how I should be socialized. Wow yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s something. when you look at that, you\u0026#39;ll want me to apply myself to mindsets I don\u0026#39;t agree to. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eDean Sullivan\u003cbr\u003e\nI don\u0026#39;t agree with. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s why you are in the center. Imagine if you applied yourself. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eDean Sullivan\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, that\u0026#39;s all part of it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI think that\u0026#39;s an interesting thing, that kids, or we as people, that you are. An integral part of this is that it\u0026#39;s. I heard someone parsing out the words of row, row, row your boat. That\u0026#39;s the secret to life is row, row, row your boat And gently down the stream. You know that\u0026#39;s really the key to life. Not in the hokey pokey, i guess right, one number one. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nit\u0026#39;s your boat. Number two. you\u0026#39;re going downstream. that upstream, that\u0026#39;s exactly right. Yeah, not much growing required to go downstream, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s kind of. I think if you could argue that, saying you know, going in your unique ability, you know and row row. Row is to continue actually doing something. It\u0026#39;s not just float, float, float your way down the stream, it\u0026#39;s row, row, row. You\u0026#39;re actually doing something, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, it doesn\u0026#39;t say you\u0026#39;re the only one rowing either. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nRight, that\u0026#39;s true, that\u0026#39;s right. Get everybody on board. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s so funny, i love other things like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, you know I mean. The interesting thing is, this always happens when you have the sudden emergence of a new territory and it\u0026#39;s creating opportunities. It\u0026#39;s creating wealth opportunities, achievement opportunities, you know, and freedom opportunities than the old territory, did you know? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut this happens repeatedly, i mean over the centuries, over the millennia. There\u0026#39;s always the old territory and the new territory, and then the people who make the money are the people who can learn on both sides and create an entirely new value creation proposition that lets other people make the transition. Yeah, for example, you and Joe doing I Love Marketing. Well, this would have been meaningless probably 30 years ago. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI mean, there was no there was no capability. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThere was no capability for people to take action and get results with what you were recommending, that\u0026#39;s true. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s what\u0026#39;s encouraging, that\u0026#39;s kind of the, you know, when I was really looking at the 25-year framework and putting it in perspective with my plus three to that three years to get to 60 and then my next 25-year chapter starting at 60, that 28 years I started looking back 28 years ago and realized every single thing that is the biggest things right now weren\u0026#39;t even in existence then And so encouraging when you think about, you know, the richest money, the thing the richest probably five or six people in the world weren\u0026#39;t even didn\u0026#39;t even start on their built all their wealth in that same period of time, And so that\u0026#39;s kind of encouraging you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, i like that a lot And that\u0026#39;s kind of a. That\u0026#39;s a. So you realize well what a nice meaty period of time that is. And of course you know, looking back, there\u0026#39;s no way that we could have predicted 25 years ago what, or 28 years ago what a podcast was, or that everybody you know you\u0026#39;d have an instant and available access to so much of the world\u0026#39;s information like that. You know it wasn\u0026#39;t even wasn\u0026#39;t even a thing. We were definitely mainland oriented Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThere\u0026#39;s no question. I mean, how many coach clients have podcasts, even though? I\u0026#39;ve you know they\u0026#39;ve been listening to my podcast, they\u0026#39;ve been listening to your podcast and but hardly any of them are you know, I think it comes down to the that it\u0026#39;s a lack of They don\u0026#39;t have the confidence to do it. But the only way out of no confidence is to make a commitment that you\u0026#39;re going to get the capability. Okay, you know, by this time next year I\u0026#39;m going to launch a podcast series. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNow, who\u0026#39;s the how? who helps me do that? Yeah? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBecause you don\u0026#39;t have to do it. I mean, there\u0026#39;s all sorts of talent around in the world who know. I mean there\u0026#39;s two million podcast series as of January this year and probably a lot more six months later. And all I did was start in with Joe and get the ropes And I said well, i think I can create another series. And you know and that was with Peter Diamandis I\u0026#39;ve had a couple of years with Joe to get the feel for it And we started with Peter Diamandis and you know it\u0026#39;s great, you know it\u0026#39;s great. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I have you know I have seven, you know seven regular podcasts, including our own here. Yeah, I mean it was like we were having lunch at Los Solect in Toronto And you know I brought up the idea of that procrastination is actually a form of wisdom And you said we should do a podcast on this. And I said and I said when will we start? He said what are you doing tomorrow? And tomorrow we had a complete podcast. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd all I had to do was make a phone call And that was it, you know, and we had a podcast And you know, but podcasts are full-fledged cloud-landing capabilities. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, yeah, this is. I\u0026#39;ve had a great you know. You look at those, the taking action, the just doing the things I had to, thanks to my you know, more deemed on less screen time focus. Over the last couple of weeks I\u0026#39;ve had a really productive couple of weeks I was in the middle of. I already started a lead generation workshop that I do by Zoom And the focus, for weeks and we focus on setting up a lead generation system for your business And we do four Tuesdays And I decided to go through the process with the people who I\u0026#39;m going through the workshop with to demonstrate. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo one of the things that we talk about is, once we identify who your ideal target audience is, who\u0026#39;s your ideal, your ideal prospect, then we start thinking about what would be the book that they would most definitely want to have in their, in their possession, in their collection. And so we go through a whole process of identifying, go through a book title formulas workshop where I, you know, describe the different types of book titles And have them do the exercise of creating what I call a word palette, where they think of all of the words and phrases and hopes and dreams and fears you know, all the sound bites that are going on in somebody\u0026#39;s head, and so one of the title formulas is what we call a just do it title, which is it does what it says And you\u0026#39;re going to do. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWhat it says on the cover, like stop your divorce or think and grow rich is, are the types of action. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat\u0026#39;s what I\u0026#39;m going to do compelling offers, compelling offers, and so yeah so I wrote a site, i did the workshop, i did the process with them And I created a book, a book called convert more leads at what to say to prospects so they all convert themselves. And had a nice cover of imagery of a guy on a boat on a lake and he\u0026#39;s had his hands behind his head and the fish are just jumping in his back. That\u0026#39;s the, that\u0026#39;s the imagery that we did. So I created that as the cover And then in the next seven days I created the whole book. I did the reminder of being when we were in London, you know, having that conversation. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI went through the whole process of brainstorm where I brainstormed all the content and set it up into the chapters and I made a great outline. And I then went into the studio and I recorded what was essentially the audiobook version, i think. Say chapter one, begin with the end in mind, and then I would talk through my talking points for chapter one, and then I said chapter two and the title of chapter two, and so I created all the raw, all the raw audio by just talking about what I wanted to say. I had that recorded And then I sent I didn\u0026#39;t do it, but one at the studio, sent the audio to someone on my team, jack, who then took the audio, got a transcript, set up the Google doc, did a first pass edit to turn it into you know, clean it up for written kind of format, and sent it back to me. And then I was able to go in and in a period of 50 minute, focus finders edit the written transcript into the finished form of the book And it\u0026#39;s nice. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s a great outcome. And all the while I was doing that, i was already running ads for it. I set up the Facebook ads and generated now 293 ads of leads of people who want the book for about $3 each. You know it\u0026#39;s a whole thing. It was such a great like during the process to actually go through with people and demonstrate what can be, what can be done. You know, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, you know the, you know, you know how to create the book. You know I mean the idea, do you? have a copy, yet You\u0026#39;re going to run off 20 copies and send them out to your friends so you can get the, of course. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, Send them up, because I\u0026#39;ll you know consume it and absolutely. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI\u0026#39;ll tell you five or 10 things that reminds me of them. Perfect, i love it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSend it back to you That becomes version one and then with the input and the extension I can make version two and. but it\u0026#39;s a nice meaty book. It\u0026#39;s really good, really good content I\u0026#39;m happy with that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah what\u0026#39;s the idea? So I got version. Yeah, And I tell people, you know you can call 90 minute book and you can get a first draft of your book, get 20 or 30 copies and get it out to 20 or 30 people and then make your readers part of the design team. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s exactly the whole purpose. That\u0026#39;s exactly it, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nPeople work for five years five years writing a book and they never, let a potential reader. First of all, they\u0026#39;re not even clear about who the potential reader is. And you know, and my you know, i always start with one person as my potential reader and I do sort of a DOS in my mind about what the dangers, opportunities and strengths of this one person and I write the book and I do it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eyou know I do do that. People say, well, I want the book to be forever, and I said, well, I have a different approach, I want to be for one person. Right, because if I nail that, if I nail that they, then you know, the one person I want is a, an entrepreneur who is already successful, who\u0026#39;s talented, who\u0026#39;s ambitious, and from now on, they want 10 times more freedom in their lives Freedom of money, freedom of time, money, relationship and purpose. I said I just write the book for that person. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, you know, about? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nwhat? about school teachers? I said, not interested What about government bureaucrats Not interested. What about corporate employees? Not interested. What about non-profit organization? I said I can\u0026#39;t even say the two words to myself. It depresses me. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nRight, exactly. We have doctors who have non-profits. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWe have doctors who have non-profits And they say, well, can I, as a non-profit organization, be in your future? I said I can\u0026#39;t even allow those two words to be said And I\u0026#39;m a workshop of mine, i said non-profit in the entrepreneurial world means something totally, totally different. For you know, i didn\u0026#39;t get that. Can you try again? No, siri, siri. You know what Siri\u0026#39;s main saying to me is? I didn\u0026#39;t quite get that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI didn\u0026#39;t quite get that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI didn\u0026#39;t quite get that. They say well, of course you are, you\u0026#39;re not a person. A person would get it, You\u0026#39;re just an algorithm and not a very pleasant one to us, with that Never been useful. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI\u0026#39;ve always been a bother, so that\u0026#39;s my take on it. Yeah, anyway, i want to tell you a little project we\u0026#39;ve got. You know, joe Stothe, do you, did you? Yeah Well, joe came to Genius while you were there by Zoom, and he gave a really great presentation on what his AI newsletter does, and so I had about eight things I was looking for at that meeting and he checked off seven of the boxes and I told him so. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd he says and I said so, why don\u0026#39;t we get going? And so we have. So we\u0026#39;ve sent out, we\u0026#39;ve sent out three of his AI newsletters and, just for the listeners here at the newsletter, that writes itself. So you put in some input or prompts and that is that your thought leaders that you follow in the world and you have your, you let them take advantage of things that you have that are already out in the internet And they put together a newsletter and I liked the content. I didn\u0026#39;t like the layout. So I put in a lot of input about design characteristics. That would be consistent with coach stuff And we have certain design roles for everything that we do and I just applied them to the newsletter and we have a project manager, linda Spencer, who is overall a haunch of this, and we sent it out. So in the first three episodes first episode, we got a 56 open rate. Second one, we got a 62 open rate. Third one, we got a 66 open rate. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo that\u0026#39;s the point to keep getting the open rate. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, where do I find up for this? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, future, future, future scope. So just type in and, and it\u0026#39;s a wonderful thing, and so it goes out, and then it analyzes all the feedback from the first article and then it designs the second one, which we scrutinize from an editorial standpoint, and make adjustments, and it goes back out. But more and more, what it\u0026#39;s joining in Cloudlandia is who you want to be talking to with the? who you want to be talking to, what do they want to be hearing from you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOkay, so it keeps refining that the message is right for the, for the mainer, but yeah, really fun. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI knew about future scope and daily AI, but where do. I find up for your your newsletter. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSpark. It\u0026#39;s called Spark. We\u0026#39;ll send it out to you. I don\u0026#39;t, i can\u0026#39;t do that, you know I\u0026#39;ve got a specialized who, but we\u0026#39;ll send it out. send it out to you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd, by the way, great Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYou\u0026#39;re. You\u0026#39;re welcome as a columnist because all the people I mean I have a. You know I\u0026#39;ll have a one or two sections on the newsletter, but the other four or five are coach. They\u0026#39;re free zone, free zone clients. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, yeah, love it, love it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd you can, you can put in, you know you can. For example, you can talk about your new book. You know, brainstorm, brainstorm. Yeah, so you can give a interview, you know, you can give an advance notice of what brainstorm is all about and just put it in as a blog and we\u0026#39;ll just put it right in the newsletter. Okay, perfect, i like it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, this is all very exciting, yeah. I like the things that can do where you don\u0026#39;t have to do, the stuff you know where you\u0026#39;re using well, think about dailyai as a whole. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThink about producing a newsletter every two weeks, yeah, where you\u0026#39;re starting from scratch every two weeks and you don\u0026#39;t even have any sense how the ones you\u0026#39;ve sent out already are actually landing. You know, yeah, the only difference between a bad newsletter idea and a good newsletter is your rate of open and click through. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s true, yeah, and respond Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThere\u0026#39;s feedback, you know, and so. so, anyway, anyway, and I wonder what Vladimir Putin is doing today. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI wonder the same thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nHe\u0026#39;s got a lot of material for food of thought over the last five or six days, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAmen Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI mean they got within 125 miles, you know they had, you know, a couple of hundred in our armed carriers and that, and they got within 125 miles of Moscow and that\u0026#39;s serious business, you know. And it goes to go the other way and the war is coming to them. So anyway, but you know it\u0026#39;s easier to not start a war than it is to start a war, because once you start a war the enemy has a vote, you know, and anyway. But but this is a lot. He did three. He does really great YouTube. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know five to eight YouTube and he did three of them yesterday, yesterday just giving you a structure on, you know the potential uprising, probably the best military force in the Russian army, which is the Wagner group, and the head of Wagner says you know we\u0026#39;re. We\u0026#39;ve decided that the entire military leadership in Russia is incompetent and, worse than that, they\u0026#39;re criminally corrupt and we cannot possibly win this war unless we get rid of the top military leadership and you know demonstrating words, So follow me This way, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo anyway, we\u0026#39;re. Anyway. It\u0026#39;s interesting. But Peter D Amonus said that he felt that Russia was collapsing as a country and that this is you know. They were supposed to have the second most powerful military in the world and it\u0026#39;s debatable whether they would qualify to be in the top 10. And you know so lots of things, and you know so anyhow what a wonderful world, what a wonderful world we live in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nDid I hear you say you\u0026#39;re going on vacation. Now It\u0026#39;s starting. Yeah, Let\u0026#39;s be. Let\u0026#39;s be cottage time by now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, but from the cottage. next Sunday, if you\u0026#39;re free, i will call you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI am free. Yes, i would hope I\u0026#39;m going to play that Awesome. I\u0026#39;m very excited about that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, yeah So that\u0026#39;d be good And we\u0026#39;ll learn more about your 50, your 50, you know your 50 men Yeah. Because you had already created Jackson Jackson times, which are 10 minutes, which are 10. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nJack\u0026#39;s units. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, yeah, yeah. I don\u0026#39;t think this is a threat to the US dollar as the reserve currency, but I think it\u0026#39;s substantially good for you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI agree, that\u0026#39;s what. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eDean Sullivan\u003cbr\u003e\nI\u0026#39;m most useful reserve currency. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s right, and I have it in abundance. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI was talking about that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBecause do you see the dollars not going to be reserve currency? And I said, well, whoever replaces it? make sure you have the greatest Navy in the world, the greatest Air Force in the world and the greatest fighting, because that\u0026#39;s the muscle that makes the dollar the reserve currency. If you don\u0026#39;t have the, you know, the armed force to reinforce your way around the world, you can\u0026#39;t do the reserve currency. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOkay, alrighty, that was fantastic. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI will talk to you next weekend. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYep. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In today’s episode of Welcome to Cloundlandia, Dan and I dive into the power of mental images and harnessing our imagination to overcome trauma and achieve our objectives\r\n","date_published":"2023-06-30T08:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/03fcb376-de3f-4656-be62-c1ee770823aa.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":37356568,"duration_in_seconds":3110}]},{"id":"33899d74-b038-4c17-8b9c-355aaa885bd6","title":"Ep099: Unlocking Profit Activators for Business Success","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/099","content_text":"In today’s episode of Welcome to Cloundlandia, we speak about the importance of making bets and guesses in today's shifting environment and how the eight profit activators form the foundation of any successful business.\n\n\u0026amp;nbsp\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\nHave you ever thought about how taking risks and making educated guesses can impact your life and career? This podcast explores just that, drawing from personal experiences like dealing with an Alzheimer's diagnosis and the COVID-19 pandemic..\n If you're looking to build a successful business, you'll want to check out this podcast. It breaks down the eight profit activators that every successful business needs and how they work together to create a powerful blueprint for success.\nWhen it comes to running a business, finding the right target market is key. One way to do that is by writing a book that draws in prospects. It's all about knowing your audience.\nEven with all the changes happening in the world today, the eight profit activators discussed in the podcast remain relevant no matter what situation you're in.\nDid you know that the Shekel currency has a fascinating history? This podcast explores that, as well as the exciting advancements being made in chat and AI applications.\nWant to boost productivity on your team? Consider integrating AI to handle tedious tasks, freeing up team members to focus on the things they're best at.\nCombining AI with the Working Genius concept and the idea of 'Thinking About Your Thinking' can take your team's performance to the next level. This podcast dives into how it all works.\nSpeaking of the Working Genius concept, the podcast also discusses how the Working Genius website can be used to better understand individual and team dynamics, especially when combined with AI integration.\nTaking the time to reflect on personal experiences can lead to valuable insights and self-awareness, which can ultimately improve decision-making and creativity.\n As technology continues to advance and change our lives, there's a growing desire to systematize the predictable while humanizing the exceptional. It's a general human aspiration for the 21st century.\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\n\nDean Jackson\nMr Sullivan. \n\nDan Sullivan\nHow are? \n\nDean Jackson\nyou. Welcome to Cloudland, thank you very much, i usually just hit on recent. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI just hit. Usually hit on recent phone call and you're usually there. But I was in London all week and Babs and I were face face, face timing it all week. \n\nDean Jackson\nSo I was looking for your number that. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI could share. \n\nDean Jackson\nWell, how was your whirlwind adventure? \n\nDan Sullivan\nWell, it was great Babs couldn't go. She had she developed a really bad, you know sore throat for a couple days before and she just thought that the overnight flight would not do her any good. \n\nDean Jackson\nNo. \n\nDan Sullivan\nSo, anyway, i kept the trip short. I arrived on Monday morning and I flew out on Friday, but we had an all day. we had an all day session. We had a morning workshop for anybody who would want to come you know which mostly signature. And then there were some 10 times people And then in the afternoon I did it just for 10 times and free zone And as a great treat, evan Ryan and Keegan Caldwell were both in London. \n\nDean Jackson\nAnd they came over. \n\nDan Sullivan\nthey came over for the day, so I spotlighted them. Oh very nice. We're just. We're starting with Keegan, i was starting with Evan. Our whole company is going to go through a six to two hour Zoom program on. AI. Ai is your teammate, okay, and so that starts in the near future. Those who are above my security clearance will be handling the exact details. And then I had Keegan talk about the IP, and that was, that was a treat, and so it went really, really well. \n\nYou know we had about 80 in the morning. they had scheduled train strike in Britain on Thursday, so I suspect we probably lost about 40. And at least I scheduled it tonight. I hate when somebody strikes without any advance. \n\nDean Jackson\nLet you know we're not. we're not coming in on Thursday. Yeah, yeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nSo and the UK's train country, because it's got very dense population. And of course they have they have a lot of well, they have the tube. The tube was fine but that's more or less inside London, But the outer, you know when they come from one of the outer towns or cities and they take one of the trains. \n\nDean Jackson\nAnd and. \n\nDan Sullivan\nBut in the afternoon I did the whole thing for three hours on. Get your best guesses and bets, which is a. It's a real wake up call. It's a wake up call for a lot of people that. I said you know the people who are predicting this and predicting that. You know, in the world today they're guessing, actually they're. They're making a guess and they want to do it persuasively so that you'll bet on their guess. You know and that. that is my definition of marketing You try to get other people to bet on your bet on your guess. \n\nDean Jackson\nI like this a lot. Yeah, i wanted to talk a little about that. That's a part of the new book. \n\nDan Sullivan\nIt's part of the new book. The three rules are everything's made up, nobody's in charge, life's not fair. And if you put that, if you put that together, then there's a whole series of other things that flow out of the putting the three rules Everything's made up, nobody's in charge, life's not fair. Nobody's stopping you from nobody's stopping you from making stuff up Right. \n\nAnd every everybody, everybody who sees or experiences you're making up some new, might feel that that's not fair. And that's not fair, yeah, if you're doing that, but you're not responsible for how you feel, how they feel, right. \n\nDean Jackson\nRight, right, yeah, so so amazing. So a very was your. How was that message kind of received in London? What's there? what's on their minds? What kind of guessing and betting are they doing? \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, well, you know, we immediately take them into an exercise where they just look at their you know their, their life and their career, you know. so what are the best guesses? you didn't. it wasn't certain at all, you were just guessing that. I might want to go in this direction, so, but you're basing it on certain signals that you're picking up from the world in which you live. And you say you know, i think, i think if we did this, we would get a reward for our effort And and then there's certain other guesses, which are possibilities that you actually bet on. \n\nYou know, and you know and we've discussed this before of different things that you and I have been the past bet on, which has more or less brought us to where we are right now. \n\nDean Jackson\nAnd I've been reflecting on, you know, going back again over the, i've been identifying them as chapters. \n\nYou know periods where I think that there's like distinct, like vector points in about every four years. For for me, if I go all the way back to 1980. And even drew before that, but from 1980, you know, from 80 to 84, my kind of high school years, and 84 to 88 was really well, those whole eight years were really all about tennis and the last four in Florida. Then, you know, coming back 88, to two chapters in a row really of real estate, my real estate career in that beginning, And I just look at how neatly it fits into the things. And there's been some wild card chapters too in there, like I looked at, i think, about my mom being diagnosed with Alzheimer's, you know as a wild card chapter that was really four years from diagnosis till she passed. \n\nAnd then I look at we're in the middle now of 2023, which at the end of this year the COVID, you know chapter will have been four years. We've been in this chapter, which I think we're finally, you know, on the tail end of closing that chapter now, fingers crossed right. And so, looking back at those things, it's kind of an interesting, just looking at that rhythm, that there's a lot of those things that there's no way to have seen more than two chapters ahead. What's actually? \n\nDan Sullivan\ngoing to come. \n\nDean Jackson\nLike I looked at a lot of the things that we're doing right now. We're not even like conceivable back four chapters ago. It's not possible. But I think you can make pretty good guesses and bets in that four year timeframe. You know, with a you can see contextually where things are going to go. But I look at it that you know, we, in the context of the big change, all the things that were happening from 1900 and 1950, those were sort of you know, you could see them coming in a way right. \n\nBecause they were all just furthering advancements of things that were. The seed of them was already in place And you could. You could have predicted, once electricity was set in, that people are going to go. This is pretty, pretty, pretty good. \n\nLet's get it everywhere you know and once people you know, once you crack the code on moving pictures, that's just and radio. what if we combined moving pictures and the radio and we could send them through the airwaves? you know all those things were, the seeds of them were were there, and I look at it now and I wonder, you know, looking at it right now, in the cup of where we are, what you know, it seems much foggier initially to kind of think out 25 years. \n\nI mean nothing seems too outlandish now when you start to think like, will we be, will we be teleporting in 25 years? I mean, who knows, you know? I mean it's so, so crazy. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, yeah, it's interesting. I came across a term and it was from a very, very early kind of commentator on the impact that technology has and it's just looking at it the other day, and it's by a French. \n\nCall him a philosopher, and Jacques Loll that's the name, and he wrote a book in 1980, which was called The Technological System, and he said that there's some very identifiable characteristics that technology has, and the one that kind of got to me around the area of guesses and bets is one called causal, causal progression, and in you know, sort of simple terms, what it means is that when you have a capability, you tend to try to push that into a, you try to push that into a very impactful kind of resource that you have you have a capability, And then you're lining it up best guesses who will be eager to take advantage of this capability, okay, And then, and you know, and that's where bets come in, because the way they show their interest is actually by betting on you. \n\nAnd that feeds. that's like that feeds the confidence that you have about this particular capability is of being useful. So if I take you back 1988, that's not 88, but maybe would 98 be a better, because that would be 25 years ago 25 years yeah. Yeah, so what capability did you already have at that time? that was your bias. You almost had a bias for what kind? of opportunities you're looking for, because you can match up that capability with an opportunity. \n\nDean Jackson\nSo I had the framework for what is the eight profit activators then, but already you know I had the framework, the underlying system of that, as I saw that as a universal kind of bedrock system that identified what are the things that are going to be absolutely true Like. If you look at each of the eight profit activators, you still no matter what this concept of a before unit, a during unit and an after unit, underlined with the, you know, accepting a single target market and compelling prospects to call you and educating and motivating and making offers, those things were. I saw those as the universal, you know, the contextual truth that is not going to change. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWell, it's kind of like a supply wheel and. I said each. You know the eight profit activators. One of them is necessary but, with just one of them, you might not get much action or result from it. So it's actually a stack. You know, there's a sort of people are calling things stack, but these are habit, these are capability and habit activators that you're talking about, but they're all integrated into a single system where, if you improve on one of them, the improvement is felt by the other seven. \n\nDean Jackson\nAnd every element of a business fits within those in the marketing of a business fits in that framework. \n\nDan Sullivan\nSo that was the beginning of it And I really And this is the basis of the blueprint, the breakthrough blueprint, the breakthrough blueprint. \n\nDean Jackson\nYes, applying these eight profit activators, overlaying it on top of your business to create a blueprint for breakthrough is you can have a breakthrough by dialing in the perfect target audience Or shifting your focus to It's perfectly dovetails with the largest check concept. If you think about if we were just to select a target market of your largest check clients, let's lock that in. Now we'll move on to profit activator too. Notice what would compel your largest check prospects, if they're invisible or visible prospects, to raise their hand and say I'm interested in this. And this is where a book comes into play, that I look at a book as the And. \n\nI go to profit activator tool to get and identify in a conversation with your ideal prospect, and so overlaying this idea of visible prospects versus invisible prospects is The way I describe that is, if your prospect is chiropractors, those are, those are visible prospects and you can get a list of them and point to them. There's one, there's one, there's one, there's one. You can see who they are specifically. But if you're a chiropractor, your prospects are invisible because you can't get a list of people who just woke up with a twisted back this morning or pulled their backs in the garden yesterday or those things. \n\nSo you have to draw those people out towards you And that's where a book is like the ideal thing If you've got a book that says on the title, beyond cover, exactly what somebody wants. I work, you know Dr Milke, the podiatrist in Milwaukee I think he's in 10 times, so I've been working with him for some time now but we did a series of books and one of them is the planter fascitis solution, and so we advertise that book on Facebook in a radius around his practice, around his office there, and people raise their hand and say, oh, i want the planter fascitis solution. And now he's in conversation with someone who's his ideal prospect. So that level of I just look at applying those things, that, as we look back, and I think about the conversation that you and I had 10 years ago that led to the Breakthrough Blueprint live event was what is the thing that would be fascinating? \n\nDan Sullivan\nand motivating, fascinated and motivate you for your whole life. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, for 25 years And here we are, you know, 10 years later, and I'm still fascinated and motivated by the idea of applying the eight profit activators to all kinds of businesses. It's fascinating. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWell, here's an interesting thing about predictions. I mean, i just passed my 79th birthday, so 1944, i was born And I would say that in my entire conscious experience, which started around 1950, we are in the midst of the greatest amount of multidimensional shifting that I've seen in my entire life, and it's taking place on the economic level. It's the same thing on politics, social, cultural and geographically, demographically almost anything that any area by which things are organized to make things you know have sense and have direction and everything. All those things are shifting And I think they're shifting in fairly unpredictable ways. \n\nIn other words, we don't know what it's going to have. But just to go back to your process, it seems to me that it really doesn't matter what's happening. There will be individuals for whom they're looking for a system that identifies at any given time their profit activators. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's exactly right, it doesn't matter It doesn't really matter. \n\nDan Sullivan\nIt doesn't really matter who it is, what industry they're in, where they live now. Now that we have Zoom, and so my sense is that, but the thing about it is that you're not really, really. you're way past the question. I wonder what individuals in the future will be looking for, because they'll be looking for you, regardless of what they're doing and what their situation is. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, i mean, that's really, I think, the. \n\nDan Sullivan\nProfit is not a brand new notion. Exactly. \n\nDean Jackson\nI wonder what the history of profit I mean you mentioned. I have a recollection of you mentioning something about the history of profit making And Well. I mean As a concept. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, i mean it's got to be, in a certain sense, not necessarily the word. They wouldn't necessarily have that word because that's peculiar to the language, but yeah. But I mean I just can't imagine, when you have a growth of a human community, that there's the thing that somebody knows how to provide something of value that returns them more than they spend to deliver what they're delivering, or I mean, that's not the core of entrepreneurship, right? Well, I think it's the core of humanity. \n\nI think it's the core of humanity, And that I mean it took a long time to get to a point where you could have what we call a currency to have a currency, you know, i mean where you had that understanding of money and you actually had a vehicle, a money type vehicle, that you could do it. \n\nI mean, that's fairly recent, so this you know, goes back from what I understand, goes back a couple of fourth, I'll say 4,000 years. It was called the Shekel, It was created in the Middle East and what's Mesopotamia? So which is in the Iranian kind of the Iranian, if you're going east Iran and you know, and Pakistan and everything, And but for a couple of thousand years the grain barley was used as a medium of exchange. \n\nYou know I think it was 2000 years and that would take us right up to, you know, maybe 3000 years ago, you know so, 1000 BC, and I think that that's when what's now called Mesopotamia created a coin that had a hundred It was. You could take bits. They would divide it into sections and you could snap off. It's made of silver and you could snap off one of the little pies you know so they'd have it pie, and then you know if you gave to him. That was called two bits. You know two bits for really. \n\nDean Jackson\nOh, really Okay. \n\nDan Sullivan\nSix bits. Yeah, that's for our term, but yeah, and you know, and that was a capability then you know, people didn't have to take a wagon load of barley. \n\nThe reason why barley is barley is a main ingredient of beer And so it was a food, but it was also a grain which, even till this day, can grow on soil that has a high salt content. Okay, Wheat wouldn't do it, Rye wouldn't do it, Oats wouldn't do it, but barley did it. So it was a very durable food. You know you could pay things with the barley, But Peter Zion talks a lot about this in his latest book. You know the end of the world is just just beginning. Yeah, And but anyway. But in the background, regardless of what you're using as a medium of exchange, people are looking for profit. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's an interesting thing I've been loving. I've been calling the. \n\nYou know what we've been playing as the cooperation game, you know that we've, since we banded together to say you go do the hunting and I'll be the gathering, we'll meet back at camp. you know that, that that level of collaboration, is that the core of it. But interesting, I mean. I love those kind of thoughts. So, even though no matter where the we kind of all the excitement and all the sort of game changer feeling is when all the attention at the spotlight goes on one particular element of it, you know, like every all eyes right now, of course, are on chat And that's where all the attention, the whole you know the flock has, you know, descended on on this. \n\nAll the attention is on it And but I think it's really like that's one piece of the big thing I don't know where. You know it's hard to predict. Maybe I'm saying that maybe it's not hard to predict, but it feels uncertain how to, how to predict what the 25 year, you know path of AI and chat, and I think it's what that go, you know yeah, and you can. \n\nDan Sullivan\nyou can, you know, you can support your statement there by just going back to when the microchip was just being talked about in the early 70s, Maybe 75, there was a growing awareness of this thing which had been developing really since the Second World War. Yeah, you know that there was a invention where you could process information on the invention And then, if you go forward, from 75 to 2000, you know 98 was the cell phone you know and and you you already had the internet by them and you had apps. \n\nYou had apps by them. I think those would have been hard to predict in 1975. \n\nDean Jackson\nAbsolutely. Yeah, i mean, you know where you went from there. If you look at the evolution that was calculators and and digital watch, i'm not saying that there wasn't someone. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI'm not saying there, but there wasn't someone or a number of people who weren't predicting. I'm just saying it was making no real impact. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah right. \n\nDan Sullivan\nExactly General public's point of view, you know and now, you know, but even here with the chat, gpt and the other AI applications, because there's really hundreds of these out there that are very specific uses- of AI. And that people say well, the whole world knows about it. And I said I'll eat billion. I'll eat billion. \n\nDean Jackson\nWhat about? \n\nDan Sullivan\nthe three. What about the three million who don't don't really have steady, reliable electricity, you know? \n\nDean Jackson\nyou think they're? \n\nDan Sullivan\nchatting. You think they're chatting about it. You know you think they're talking about this. And I said and the other thing is that virtually all the news about this and the development and the investment, you know, the explosion of investment that's going into these It's, it's all in the English language. \n\nYou know, i don't think for example, i just came back from the UK and very little awareness is not being written up in London as a boatload of different kinds of newspapers. I'm seeing anything about AI, you know, and even our day with strategic coach clients last Thursday in London. They brought it up because Evan Ryan was there, so I had him talk about this And he said a whole bunch of people got, came up and said boy, you know, this is taking me kind of by surprise. These are speaking people. So my sense is. \n\nYou know that it's fairly, fairly specific. Let's say maybe 50 million, 50 million people who are probably English speaking Americans. English speaking Americans, you know, and they're. I don't see the Canadian government talking about it. You know, and you know I get the national every day than the national post And you know not much, talk about it, not much. You know few articles here, a few articles here. But if you go to the Wall Street Journal any day, you know which, you know there's probably 15 or 20 articles of one kind on it, yeah, yeah. \n\nDean Jackson\nAnd you just see all the. \n\nDan Sullivan\nSo I think this is an interesting. I think this is profoundly unfair, mm, hmm. \n\nDean Jackson\nWhat do you think? Well, what's the summary of of Evan's take on this Like, where's he uniquely thinking? \n\nDan Sullivan\nWell, he said that the technology is meaningless unless you examine the teamwork that you want to improve. \n\nDean Jackson\nMm, hmm. \n\nDan Sullivan\nHe says just learning how to do chat, g, p, t without applying that to teamwork probably isn't going to get you anywhere. \n\nDean Jackson\nMm, hmm, yeah to a, as he did from the start. some examples of how it could be an exponential in teamwork. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWell, again what we're, the way I understand it, starting because you know these are very, very high on the hierarchy decisions, you know so you know, I'm informed that a decision has been made. \n\nDean Jackson\nI'm talking about my company Yeah yeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, and I'm not joking. You know I'm not joking, because, no, i get it, but the you know the 12 hours have to be freed up because we want at least 80% of our team members to be on those calls. You know, so there's a schedule, there's a scheduling project that has to go. We have to find, you know, we have to find he's doing it on zoom. \n\nSo it's not a question of his availability. I mean, he's the one who offered, you know, this. offered in the sense that he said would you pay for it? And we said, would you pay me for this? And we said, yeah, we really would. And but one of the big things is we're just going after what people are actually working on. So we're going to have sort of a little research project. It's kind of like in the beginning of the program we asked you to take a quarter you know a normal quarter, 13 weeks And just write down every activity that you do, personal or business. Okay, so we have an inventory and then we put it through a filter. where is this an activity where you're incompetent, or their activities here, where you're actually incompetent but you're kind of forced to do them just out of necessity, and then so incompetent because these aren't doing you any good and they're wearing you out and you're not getting any projectivity from it, but you're still doing it, yeah, and then. \n\nAnd then it'd be like Dean Jackson you know doing all the electrical and plumbing work in his house. You know, probably, probably, yeah, yeah. Or Dan Sullivan driving you know doing pickups and delivering. And then we get to competent where you're, you know your average. You know you're probably good as a lot of people, but it's a chore, you know. And energy you know it's an energy sucking chore. Then you get to excellence and that's where you have real skills. You're above. You know you're better than other people, but there's no spark for you. There's no spark for you, you know. And if you look to head five years and you were still doing just as much of this as you are now, even though you produce excellent. You produce excellent results that went, like you, up that and that. And then there's unique ability and this is the thing that just totally energized you. You can do it all day. At the end of the day. \n\nRight, you go eight, 10 hours and you've got more energy than when you started to the day and you're totally. You're so good at this. You don't understand why other people aren't. You know, you just do this and this and this. See how this fits together. You know, like that. And now, they don't see it at all. They don't see it at all. Right. And then the other thing is it's the most valuable thing that people want to pay you for when you're doing this mysterious, easy, easy thing. \n\nAnd so and so we're going to do the same thing with the AI project with Evan. We're going to get everybody to inventory. We're just going to mostly look at work, but we'll include, you know, outside of work and just say, and he's going to give us a series of categories, you know, where you just identify activities that are repetitious, they're always required and you always have to do them, but they're repetitious, and that if there was a machine teammate who could do this in a matter of seconds or minutes, where it takes you hours or days go after that and introduce the AI solution to this. \n\nSo that would be one where AI is a teammate and the goal would be over six weeks to get you know, probably identify. 80% of of can quite quickly be taken care of by the AI teammate. \n\nDean Jackson\nOh, this was great. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI mean, that's a really good way to think about it. No, i think we'll take a big productivity jump because we have we have a goal that we're at a certain number right now, you know, and it's it's not the highest revenues we've had That was in 2019, but it's a less than a million away. You know it's less than a million away. \n\nSo and and so we're saying well, if we went 10 times with that, because we've gone 10 times in in 15 years, 15 years ago, when we were one tenth what we were last year one tenth of that So in 15 years we went 10 times And but do that without adding more than another 20 individuals to the payroll. Yeah, yeah. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's exciting Yeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, And then you'll learn all sorts of things how work gets set up, how, you know, how does, how does this work come into existence? anyway, you know, and and you start developing standards that you know we really shouldn't be, even bringing work like this into the company. \n\nDean Jackson\nYou know it can be done outside Someone's talking about it way of of thinking. he attached their team, his whole team, with and gave them bonuses for figuring out how to replace themselves with AI and and the new tools, kind of thing. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, i think the the languaging is really important. You don't talk about replacing yourself. No, exactly, you're replacing an activity and making it automatic that you don't like doing and nobody really likes doing it. Yeah, and that wasn't. \n\nDean Jackson\nI think I said it wrong. It's automate your, your, your role. Yeah, Because it's yeah, replacing yourself. So yeah, that's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's like maybe that's the thing, It's not a multiply yourself, that's a better framing. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, right, yeah, i think that, i think that AI, yeah, yeah, i mean, that's what all the scary movies are about Yeah. And and you know, and a lot of the predictions you know are about that. you know there aren't going to be this or aren't going to be that. And I and I've had occasion to bring up Cyrus McCormick with mentioning you as the thinker here, and I said you know, those 16 other people who now didn't have to do backbreaking work were now freed up to do more specialized work in a growing society. \n\nDean Jackson\nAnd they were able to get back to you. Yeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, so. so the delivery of the food which was required for the entire population from the you know the the harvesting wheat was simplified and made possible with just a farmer or a person on, you know, on the seat of the reaper, with the, you know, with the mule or with the work of 14 men. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, yeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWhat was the actual number? was it 14? Yeah, 14 men. \n\nDean Jackson\nOne, yeah, one man with a reaper could do the work of 14 men. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, see, yeah That's, that's an enormous savings, but those people were freed up, i mean yeah, not like you know, they were clutching onto that job dearly You know they wanted to take a job. \n\nThey were taking our jobs, you know, and you know I was planning to do this every year for the next 30 years. You know, and and and you know is that that there's this you know the the thing, like humans aren't adaptable. You know there's a profound belief among people who think about these things from a theoretical standpoint, that, you know, if this happens, human beings won't be able to respond to it. You know, and I said, well history. History says you're not paying attention, people do. They immediately jump, you know, to some new. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's an interesting framework to really think about. You know, certainly 25 years, you know the runway or whatever, but certainly in the next four years that's. I think that's why they really refer to. I think what Peter Diamandis kind of talked about is the near-term force, the able future, which is, i think it's much easier to make five-year guesses than that kind of thing. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, but you know there's a surprising number of the predictions at A360 that were made at our first conference 2011,. that really aren't, you know, like you know VR for one thing is less. VR, you know, and you know it's almost like people are saying, no, i wasn't pushing that. You know I was not a member of the Communist Party. \n\nYou know I mean it's almost like they're saying no, no, no, you know, it's everything like that. But I remember people standing up there and said you know, the first one's going to be right under Los Angeles. It's going to go from the northern to the south, it's going to go right from, you know, the airport right to the San Fernando Valley right. And then they ran into something called property rights. \n\nRight, right, Yeah, yeah and they thought, oh, the city will just override them. And I said well, you know, it's a constitutional issue. It wouldn't be decided in Los Angeles, it would be decided in Congress, you know or the Supreme Court. And you know. But people project a new thing and all is going to give way to it. It is so important And, but I said, wouldn't there be a big traffic jam right where you try to get on the tunnel and really being a traffic jam, you know. \n\nI said you know. Just because you can visualize something and you can see yourself taking advantage of it, doesn't mean that you know that Newton's third law will move aside for you. Every action has an opposite and equal reaction. Yeah, but the two that seem to have really really gone even further than was predicted were AI, which I think. I think I was surprised by the chat GTT thing because I didn't know there was something that could be that easy for individuals. \n\nI knew that you know large organizations were using it and everything else, but that kind of surprised me. And the other thing is regenerative medicine and you know, using our own stem cells to repair things and to cure things and turning skin cells into any other kind of cell. That to me That's like cracking. That's, like you know, being able to capture and channel and direct electricity. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat seems to me to be a major, really major major thing. But there's the AI combined with that. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, ai, that translated where you. They can literally take the cell signals, you know, the signals from the body. They can actually, because we have an electric impulse and they can read. They can duplicate this electronically and then test those electronic signals as if they were actually cells in the body. And they can do 10,000 tests in a time that a manual test takes. \n\nDean Jackson\nAnd. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI said no, that's, that's super. \n\nDean Jackson\nAnd I think that's what's going to come like. I think we're going to end up in a sent power situation, like the chef masters, in that the biggest winners of the AI kind of advanced or not the one it's not going to be just AI on its own, it's going to be AI paired with a, you know, with an individual. It's a top flight individual powered with AI that's going to make the biggest impact Absolutely. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, it's like. my next quarterly book is called training, training technology like a good dog And I say, you know, a tough guy with a tough dog will beat another tough guy who doesn't have a dog, Exactly and rather than just, or just the dog alone, you know? yeah, that's true, and the dog will be the one who announces the fight. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's so funny. Yeah, I realized we left last week on a bit of a cliffhanger with the working genius thing. I wondered if you had been able to do your working genius. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, it's really good. It put me in a bind because I have other people sign me. I want to, and Patrick Lindsay only you know. I mean he's very well read around our office regarding teamwork and everything like that. So I know who it is now. Yeah, i was going to do it that night, but Becca, who does all this stuff for me, said that she would sign me on when we got back from London. She was busy with a lot of things, and so it's a project. \n\nIt's a project that will be done this week. But you know, I found the website. It seems like another filter that we can use for, along with Colby and the Strength Finder and Print. \n\nDean Jackson\nOh, i think it's fantastic in that. Yeah, i would put it in. I would put it right up there with Colby in terms like Colby is most what is very useful and I think that if I were to rank the four of them. I would put that working genius right up there at the top. \n\nMore useful than just Strength Finder and more useful than Print. Yeah, they're all a big. I don't think you can ever have too much self-awareness, but I think having the you know, i think usable team dynamic awareness is great. James Drage sent me over. I had my whole team do it and he sent me a. You know, they have charts that show where your team genius is in terms of which team members like. If you're looking to put together a project and you need a, i guess the ideal is that you have someone in each of the components the wonder, invention, the discernment, galvanizing, enablement and tenacity that you've got someone who's a genius at that involved in that process. Yeah, you know the head of that division of it. \n\nSo it's really neat to see the dynamics of how people can work together, you know. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWell, anyway, yeah, So anyway, work proceeds. you know, fly me. you know, 3,000 miles away, and my priority list for the day changes. I got it. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, yeah. London is the greatest walking city that I've ever. \n\nDean Jackson\nOh man, you know, one of my favorite memories is our that when we ended up in London at the same time and we spent hours wandering around, Yeah we took that long hike out to that bookstore. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, And then we, and then we made our way back to a favorite restaurant of ours one. \n\nDean Jackson\nGreek street. Right And then yeah, that London's perfect for that. I mean, that was yeah it was. It was dry and sunny kind of the poolside but sunny but there was no rain during the walk. The walk reaches there. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nBut anyway, i'm going to inquire about that And I've got a real project now with that, in advance of starting the AI Azure teammate program. We should have all the staff actually do this working genius exercise. \n\nDean Jackson\nI think that would be a nice filter And I wonder that's a really interesting thing is that's a nice framework to think how can, how can AI help with? \n\nDan Sullivan\nThat's how we've pre-app your working genius. Yeah right, exactly. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's an interesting that's a really interesting combinator. It's a triple play. Your unique ability Well, you can work at AI and working genius. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, it's kind of funny. You could add the triple play to it. So we got three things. You got the AI as a teammate, working genius and the triple play. I think that would be a nice trifecta. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, wow, that's all thinking about your thinking. I came up with a new term, dan. I'll plant the seed because I know we're coming up at the top of the hour here. It went so fast this time It always does, but this one's particular, you know, we've been talking about and I've been thinking about the mainland and the land here, but what I've really discovered is I was rereading thinking about your thinking, the small book. \n\nWe recently had our flood and all the that required us moving things around, and I found a copy of my your small book, the thinking about your thinking. I thought that you know there's a third element of this that I've been calling Dean Blan dia, which is the inner world of thinking about my thinking and spending time there as a destination. And something you said, you know you said it kind of a couple of years ago, whenever you went on, you know, going off TV and stuff, the same thing stuck out at me. I don't know exactly how you said it, but you basically said I realized that what's going on in my own mind is far more interesting and valuable than anything going on in that, on that screen, in that box. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah. \n\nDean Jackson\nAnd how did you articulate? What was the the thought behind that? Because that that it stuck with me for all these years when you said that, yeah, Well, i think you do that too. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI mean that that both of us, fairly young and like I think, developed the ability to do that, amuse ourselves and entertain ourselves and educate ourselves without needing needing too much outside help and that, and you know, and We've stuck with that a lot. You know way, way beyond what Most people would say. Well, i used to have Interesting times when I when I had time you know where I would just think about things and everything else. \n\nYeah, of course you know I had to go to school and then I had to go out and get a job Right we started, started to pay him and of course I haven't done any kind of thinking like that and I said, yeah, you know, i got you know on a path when I was, you know, somewhere around eight years old, where this was way more interesting. Than anything that I was encountering. The other thing I noticed is that I was interacting with adults and They didn't see how to do this. \n\nThey didn't seem to do it because when I would bring up You know what was going on when they were eight years old and they were born 1910 or something, and I said wow, wow. And they said geez, i haven't thought about this, you know, it's I. He says here right me to think about think about things that I haven't thought about, and then afterwards They would comment to my mother When they matter her. You know, dan asked questions and they Makes me remember things that I haven't really remembered and I said well, you know, you know and I said hmm. \n\nIf that had happened to me, I would have been thinking about it. I mean, if that was happening in the world, happening in the world at that time, boy. I all over it, you know and everything like that, and it struck me that people weren't really reflecting On how they were thinking about their experiences. They were affecting on the experience, but they weren't reflecting on how they were thinking about the experience. And so, and that didn't bother me, and because I always like having Secret, unfair advantages- Mm-hmm, i Love that. \n\nDean Jackson\nI've been thinking you do the? oh, i really do. I've been monitoring and thinking now about You know, my my constant you're. My present thought is less screen time, more dean time. But that's really the thing is, the more I think about just even putting the screen down and just going inside and playing around in in Dean land is a. There's a lot more beneficial stuff going on in the land. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, then The other you know, you know who we're really. The organization that was that we both had extensive experience with. That was really on to this way back, you know, 40-50 years ago and as the four seasons. So tell yeah, and they have a motto about their company that we Systematize the predictable, mm-hmm, and so that we can humanize the exceptional. Yeah, and That seems to describe a general principle that Would take advantage of any new technology which allowed you to systematize the predictable. \n\nYou know, to free up people so that they could be Exceptionally human in any situation and I think that's what we want to do. I mean, i think that's a, that isn't just a Organizational strategy. I think that's That could be. You know, in the 21st century that could be a general human aspiration. You know, i want to get freed up from Doing machine-like work. \n\nDean Jackson\nI don't want to do machine-like work, you know right. I don't want to. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI don't want. I don't want to be given tasks where I'm expected to be machine-like I. I'm just not going for that anymore. \n\nDean Jackson\nRight, i Love it. Yeah, well, i noticed, so I noticed. Next week is Says no Dan podcats on my calendar. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThat's right. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's right because traveling, we're flying. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWe're flying on Sunday to Chicago. So okay, yeah, so we have. You know, we have the first in person a free zone that week, you know on Thursday, okay and, but we're flying in and we, you know, we Have to see the team and there's all sorts of things, and I have all sorts of. I guess yeah, but the but. The big thing is that The one thing that's not predictable is How people are going to think about the next 25 years. \n\nYou know you know, predictable, because, right, you know each person's kind of responsible. or Using their own Brain to figure out things. Yeah, yeah and my sense is that Making predictions 25 years from now based on Present priorities and that, i think, doesn't give you much insight, mm-hmm. \n\nDean Jackson\nI Think gives you directional, you know in some way. But but it's certain, i mean to know it gives you comfort when you start into look at well, what do we know that's going to be true 25 years from now. You know. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThat's really the thing, men are still going to be shaving that's exactly the warm Buffett model, right? \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's exactly yeah yeah, Yeah and yeah, and land things and. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, yeah, people are still going to be eating. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think yeah, yeah, well, i mean, there's definitely entertaining. Yeah, what do all people do, you know, around the planet? Well, not everybody shapes, you know. But right, yeah, so But, given the market that you're after is there, you know, we know. I do know alcohol is gonna play a big part of it. Now, they're direct, you know They may buddy, one of the signs that an ancient Gathering of humans was actually human is pottery. \n\nDean Jackson\nSo they'll find shards, pottery shards and when they examine the shards. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYou know what they always find on the shards alcohol, alcohol, great, exactly. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, that's so funny. Yeah, why did humans Create pottery? \n\nDan Sullivan\nwell, yeah, you know, to have something they could make the alcohol and save the alcohol. They're their mushroom bruise, right Yeah. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, i mean, they just do this to have pottery they did it right they can. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThey could make drinking alcohol a little bit more predictable. All righty, okay, dan. Well, i will. I'll be here in two weeks, yeah, and we'll be back, yeah, in two weeks. \n\nDean Jackson\nSo we're going to see Jeff. Maddowff's play The end of men, the end of next week. \n\nDan Sullivan\nSo it opened with its first pre-order. So it's a pre-order. So it's a pre-order The end of men, the end of next week. So it opened with its first proof preview Last night. \n\nDean Jackson\nSo they have a week of previews. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThey have a week of previews where they're just, you know, making scene shifts and making adjustments to the script and you know, and everything else, and they have about five or six of these and People, they have audiences for them. \n\nThe other thing is that audiences can come in and see everything else, and then they, then they have two last ones Where they're locked down Okay, so that all the changes have been made, and then the last two of the previews is It's locked down. Now, this is the play, and then they have opening night, which is the 14th, and we're going down the 16th. \n\nDean Jackson\nOh, very nice, that's so great. Yeah, all right. okay, i will talk to you soon. You. 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Welcome to Cloudland, thank you very much, i usually just hit on recent. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI just hit. Usually hit on recent phone call and you\u0026#39;re usually there. But I was in London all week and Babs and I were face face, face timing it all week. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSo I was looking for your number that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI could share. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, how was your whirlwind adventure? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, it was great Babs couldn\u0026#39;t go. She had she developed a really bad, you know sore throat for a couple days before and she just thought that the overnight flight would not do her any good. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nNo. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSo, anyway, i kept the trip short. I arrived on Monday morning and I flew out on Friday, but we had an all day. we had an all day session. We had a morning workshop for anybody who would want to come you know which mostly signature. And then there were some 10 times people And then in the afternoon I did it just for 10 times and free zone And as a great treat, evan Ryan and Keegan Caldwell were both in London. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd they came over. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nthey came over for the day, so I spotlighted them. Oh very nice. We\u0026#39;re just. We\u0026#39;re starting with Keegan, i was starting with Evan. Our whole company is going to go through a six to two hour Zoom program on. AI. Ai is your teammate, okay, and so that starts in the near future. Those who are above my security clearance will be handling the exact details. And then I had Keegan talk about the IP, and that was, that was a treat, and so it went really, really well. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know we had about 80 in the morning. they had scheduled train strike in Britain on Thursday, so I suspect we probably lost about 40. And at least I scheduled it tonight. I hate when somebody strikes without any advance. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nLet you know we\u0026#39;re not. we\u0026#39;re not coming in on Thursday. Yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSo and the UK\u0026#39;s train country, because it\u0026#39;s got very dense population. And of course they have they have a lot of well, they have the tube. The tube was fine but that\u0026#39;s more or less inside London, But the outer, you know when they come from one of the outer towns or cities and they take one of the trains. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd and. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBut in the afternoon I did the whole thing for three hours on. Get your best guesses and bets, which is a. It\u0026#39;s a real wake up call. It\u0026#39;s a wake up call for a lot of people that. I said you know the people who are predicting this and predicting that. You know, in the world today they\u0026#39;re guessing, actually they\u0026#39;re. They\u0026#39;re making a guess and they want to do it persuasively so that you\u0026#39;ll bet on their guess. You know and that. that is my definition of marketing You try to get other people to bet on your bet on your guess. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI like this a lot. Yeah, i wanted to talk a little about that. That\u0026#39;s a part of the new book. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIt\u0026#39;s part of the new book. The three rules are everything\u0026#39;s made up, nobody\u0026#39;s in charge, life\u0026#39;s not fair. And if you put that, if you put that together, then there\u0026#39;s a whole series of other things that flow out of the putting the three rules Everything\u0026#39;s made up, nobody\u0026#39;s in charge, life\u0026#39;s not fair. Nobody\u0026#39;s stopping you from nobody\u0026#39;s stopping you from making stuff up Right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd every everybody, everybody who sees or experiences you\u0026#39;re making up some new, might feel that that\u0026#39;s not fair. And that\u0026#39;s not fair, yeah, if you\u0026#39;re doing that, but you\u0026#39;re not responsible for how you feel, how they feel, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nRight, right, yeah, so so amazing. So a very was your. How was that message kind of received in London? What\u0026#39;s there? what\u0026#39;s on their minds? What kind of guessing and betting are they doing? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, well, you know, we immediately take them into an exercise where they just look at their you know their, their life and their career, you know. so what are the best guesses? you didn\u0026#39;t. it wasn\u0026#39;t certain at all, you were just guessing that. I might want to go in this direction, so, but you\u0026#39;re basing it on certain signals that you\u0026#39;re picking up from the world in which you live. And you say you know, i think, i think if we did this, we would get a reward for our effort And and then there\u0026#39;s certain other guesses, which are possibilities that you actually bet on. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, and you know and we\u0026#39;ve discussed this before of different things that you and I have been the past bet on, which has more or less brought us to where we are right now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd I\u0026#39;ve been reflecting on, you know, going back again over the, i\u0026#39;ve been identifying them as chapters. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know periods where I think that there\u0026#39;s like distinct, like vector points in about every four years. For for me, if I go all the way back to 1980. And even drew before that, but from 1980, you know, from 80 to 84, my kind of high school years, and 84 to 88 was really well, those whole eight years were really all about tennis and the last four in Florida. Then, you know, coming back 88, to two chapters in a row really of real estate, my real estate career in that beginning, And I just look at how neatly it fits into the things. And there\u0026#39;s been some wild card chapters too in there, like I looked at, i think, about my mom being diagnosed with Alzheimer\u0026#39;s, you know as a wild card chapter that was really four years from diagnosis till she passed. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then I look at we\u0026#39;re in the middle now of 2023, which at the end of this year the COVID, you know chapter will have been four years. We\u0026#39;ve been in this chapter, which I think we\u0026#39;re finally, you know, on the tail end of closing that chapter now, fingers crossed right. And so, looking back at those things, it\u0026#39;s kind of an interesting, just looking at that rhythm, that there\u0026#39;s a lot of those things that there\u0026#39;s no way to have seen more than two chapters ahead. What\u0026#39;s actually? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\ngoing to come. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nLike I looked at a lot of the things that we\u0026#39;re doing right now. We\u0026#39;re not even like conceivable back four chapters ago. It\u0026#39;s not possible. But I think you can make pretty good guesses and bets in that four year timeframe. You know, with a you can see contextually where things are going to go. But I look at it that you know, we, in the context of the big change, all the things that were happening from 1900 and 1950, those were sort of you know, you could see them coming in a way right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBecause they were all just furthering advancements of things that were. The seed of them was already in place And you could. You could have predicted, once electricity was set in, that people are going to go. This is pretty, pretty, pretty good. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eLet\u0026#39;s get it everywhere you know and once people you know, once you crack the code on moving pictures, that\u0026#39;s just and radio. what if we combined moving pictures and the radio and we could send them through the airwaves? you know all those things were, the seeds of them were were there, and I look at it now and I wonder, you know, looking at it right now, in the cup of where we are, what you know, it seems much foggier initially to kind of think out 25 years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean nothing seems too outlandish now when you start to think like, will we be, will we be teleporting in 25 years? I mean, who knows, you know? I mean it\u0026#39;s so, so crazy. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, yeah, it\u0026#39;s interesting. I came across a term and it was from a very, very early kind of commentator on the impact that technology has and it\u0026#39;s just looking at it the other day, and it\u0026#39;s by a French. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eCall him a philosopher, and Jacques Loll that\u0026#39;s the name, and he wrote a book in 1980, which was called The Technological System, and he said that there\u0026#39;s some very identifiable characteristics that technology has, and the one that kind of got to me around the area of guesses and bets is one called causal, causal progression, and in you know, sort of simple terms, what it means is that when you have a capability, you tend to try to push that into a, you try to push that into a very impactful kind of resource that you have you have a capability, And then you\u0026#39;re lining it up best guesses who will be eager to take advantage of this capability, okay, And then, and you know, and that\u0026#39;s where bets come in, because the way they show their interest is actually by betting on you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd that feeds. that\u0026#39;s like that feeds the confidence that you have about this particular capability is of being useful. So if I take you back 1988, that\u0026#39;s not 88, but maybe would 98 be a better, because that would be 25 years ago 25 years yeah. Yeah, so what capability did you already have at that time? that was your bias. You almost had a bias for what kind? of opportunities you\u0026#39;re looking for, because you can match up that capability with an opportunity. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSo I had the framework for what is the eight profit activators then, but already you know I had the framework, the underlying system of that, as I saw that as a universal kind of bedrock system that identified what are the things that are going to be absolutely true Like. If you look at each of the eight profit activators, you still no matter what this concept of a before unit, a during unit and an after unit, underlined with the, you know, accepting a single target market and compelling prospects to call you and educating and motivating and making offers, those things were. I saw those as the universal, you know, the contextual truth that is not going to change. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, it\u0026#39;s kind of like a supply wheel and. I said each. You know the eight profit activators. One of them is necessary but, with just one of them, you might not get much action or result from it. So it\u0026#39;s actually a stack. You know, there\u0026#39;s a sort of people are calling things stack, but these are habit, these are capability and habit activators that you\u0026#39;re talking about, but they\u0026#39;re all integrated into a single system where, if you improve on one of them, the improvement is felt by the other seven. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd every element of a business fits within those in the marketing of a business fits in that framework. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSo that was the beginning of it And I really And this is the basis of the blueprint, the breakthrough blueprint, the breakthrough blueprint. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYes, applying these eight profit activators, overlaying it on top of your business to create a blueprint for breakthrough is you can have a breakthrough by dialing in the perfect target audience Or shifting your focus to It\u0026#39;s perfectly dovetails with the largest check concept. If you think about if we were just to select a target market of your largest check clients, let\u0026#39;s lock that in. Now we\u0026#39;ll move on to profit activator too. Notice what would compel your largest check prospects, if they\u0026#39;re invisible or visible prospects, to raise their hand and say I\u0026#39;m interested in this. And this is where a book comes into play, that I look at a book as the And. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI go to profit activator tool to get and identify in a conversation with your ideal prospect, and so overlaying this idea of visible prospects versus invisible prospects is The way I describe that is, if your prospect is chiropractors, those are, those are visible prospects and you can get a list of them and point to them. There\u0026#39;s one, there\u0026#39;s one, there\u0026#39;s one, there\u0026#39;s one. You can see who they are specifically. But if you\u0026#39;re a chiropractor, your prospects are invisible because you can\u0026#39;t get a list of people who just woke up with a twisted back this morning or pulled their backs in the garden yesterday or those things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo you have to draw those people out towards you And that\u0026#39;s where a book is like the ideal thing If you\u0026#39;ve got a book that says on the title, beyond cover, exactly what somebody wants. I work, you know Dr Milke, the podiatrist in Milwaukee I think he\u0026#39;s in 10 times, so I\u0026#39;ve been working with him for some time now but we did a series of books and one of them is the planter fascitis solution, and so we advertise that book on Facebook in a radius around his practice, around his office there, and people raise their hand and say, oh, i want the planter fascitis solution. And now he\u0026#39;s in conversation with someone who\u0026#39;s his ideal prospect. So that level of I just look at applying those things, that, as we look back, and I think about the conversation that you and I had 10 years ago that led to the Breakthrough Blueprint live event was what is the thing that would be fascinating? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nand motivating, fascinated and motivate you for your whole life. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, for 25 years And here we are, you know, 10 years later, and I\u0026#39;m still fascinated and motivated by the idea of applying the eight profit activators to all kinds of businesses. It\u0026#39;s fascinating. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, here\u0026#39;s an interesting thing about predictions. I mean, i just passed my 79th birthday, so 1944, i was born And I would say that in my entire conscious experience, which started around 1950, we are in the midst of the greatest amount of multidimensional shifting that I\u0026#39;ve seen in my entire life, and it\u0026#39;s taking place on the economic level. It\u0026#39;s the same thing on politics, social, cultural and geographically, demographically almost anything that any area by which things are organized to make things you know have sense and have direction and everything. All those things are shifting And I think they\u0026#39;re shifting in fairly unpredictable ways. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIn other words, we don\u0026#39;t know what it\u0026#39;s going to have. But just to go back to your process, it seems to me that it really doesn\u0026#39;t matter what\u0026#39;s happening. There will be individuals for whom they\u0026#39;re looking for a system that identifies at any given time their profit activators. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s exactly right, it doesn\u0026#39;t matter It doesn\u0026#39;t really matter. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIt doesn\u0026#39;t really matter who it is, what industry they\u0026#39;re in, where they live now. Now that we have Zoom, and so my sense is that, but the thing about it is that you\u0026#39;re not really, really. you\u0026#39;re way past the question. I wonder what individuals in the future will be looking for, because they\u0026#39;ll be looking for you, regardless of what they\u0026#39;re doing and what their situation is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, i mean, that\u0026#39;s really, I think, the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nProfit is not a brand new notion. Exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI wonder what the history of profit I mean you mentioned. I have a recollection of you mentioning something about the history of profit making And Well. I mean As a concept. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, i mean it\u0026#39;s got to be, in a certain sense, not necessarily the word. They wouldn\u0026#39;t necessarily have that word because that\u0026#39;s peculiar to the language, but yeah. But I mean I just can\u0026#39;t imagine, when you have a growth of a human community, that there\u0026#39;s the thing that somebody knows how to provide something of value that returns them more than they spend to deliver what they\u0026#39;re delivering, or I mean, that\u0026#39;s not the core of entrepreneurship, right? Well, I think it\u0026#39;s the core of humanity. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI think it\u0026#39;s the core of humanity, And that I mean it took a long time to get to a point where you could have what we call a currency to have a currency, you know, i mean where you had that understanding of money and you actually had a vehicle, a money type vehicle, that you could do it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean, that\u0026#39;s fairly recent, so this you know, goes back from what I understand, goes back a couple of fourth, I\u0026#39;ll say 4,000 years. It was called the Shekel, It was created in the Middle East and what\u0026#39;s Mesopotamia? So which is in the Iranian kind of the Iranian, if you\u0026#39;re going east Iran and you know, and Pakistan and everything, And but for a couple of thousand years the grain barley was used as a medium of exchange. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know I think it was 2000 years and that would take us right up to, you know, maybe 3000 years ago, you know so, 1000 BC, and I think that that\u0026#39;s when what\u0026#39;s now called Mesopotamia created a coin that had a hundred It was. You could take bits. They would divide it into sections and you could snap off. It\u0026#39;s made of silver and you could snap off one of the little pies you know so they\u0026#39;d have it pie, and then you know if you gave to him. That was called two bits. You know two bits for really. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOh, really Okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSix bits. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s for our term, but yeah, and you know, and that was a capability then you know, people didn\u0026#39;t have to take a wagon load of barley. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe reason why barley is barley is a main ingredient of beer And so it was a food, but it was also a grain which, even till this day, can grow on soil that has a high salt content. Okay, Wheat wouldn\u0026#39;t do it, Rye wouldn\u0026#39;t do it, Oats wouldn\u0026#39;t do it, but barley did it. So it was a very durable food. You know you could pay things with the barley, But Peter Zion talks a lot about this in his latest book. You know the end of the world is just just beginning. Yeah, And but anyway. But in the background, regardless of what you\u0026#39;re using as a medium of exchange, people are looking for profit. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s an interesting thing I\u0026#39;ve been loving. I\u0026#39;ve been calling the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know what we\u0026#39;ve been playing as the cooperation game, you know that we\u0026#39;ve, since we banded together to say you go do the hunting and I\u0026#39;ll be the gathering, we\u0026#39;ll meet back at camp. you know that, that that level of collaboration, is that the core of it. But interesting, I mean. I love those kind of thoughts. So, even though no matter where the we kind of all the excitement and all the sort of game changer feeling is when all the attention at the spotlight goes on one particular element of it, you know, like every all eyes right now, of course, are on chat And that\u0026#39;s where all the attention, the whole you know the flock has, you know, descended on on this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAll the attention is on it And but I think it\u0026#39;s really like that\u0026#39;s one piece of the big thing I don\u0026#39;t know where. You know it\u0026#39;s hard to predict. Maybe I\u0026#39;m saying that maybe it\u0026#39;s not hard to predict, but it feels uncertain how to, how to predict what the 25 year, you know path of AI and chat, and I think it\u0026#39;s what that go, you know yeah, and you can. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nyou can, you know, you can support your statement there by just going back to when the microchip was just being talked about in the early 70s, Maybe 75, there was a growing awareness of this thing which had been developing really since the Second World War. Yeah, you know that there was a invention where you could process information on the invention And then, if you go forward, from 75 to 2000, you know 98 was the cell phone you know and and you you already had the internet by them and you had apps. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou had apps by them. I think those would have been hard to predict in 1975. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAbsolutely. Yeah, i mean, you know where you went from there. If you look at the evolution that was calculators and and digital watch, i\u0026#39;m not saying that there wasn\u0026#39;t someone. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI\u0026#39;m not saying there, but there wasn\u0026#39;t someone or a number of people who weren\u0026#39;t predicting. I\u0026#39;m just saying it was making no real impact. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nExactly General public\u0026#39;s point of view, you know and now, you know, but even here with the chat, gpt and the other AI applications, because there\u0026#39;s really hundreds of these out there that are very specific uses- of AI. And that people say well, the whole world knows about it. And I said I\u0026#39;ll eat billion. I\u0026#39;ll eat billion. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWhat about? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nthe three. What about the three million who don\u0026#39;t don\u0026#39;t really have steady, reliable electricity, you know? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nyou think they\u0026#39;re? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nchatting. You think they\u0026#39;re chatting about it. You know you think they\u0026#39;re talking about this. And I said and the other thing is that virtually all the news about this and the development and the investment, you know, the explosion of investment that\u0026#39;s going into these It\u0026#39;s, it\u0026#39;s all in the English language. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, i don\u0026#39;t think for example, i just came back from the UK and very little awareness is not being written up in London as a boatload of different kinds of newspapers. I\u0026#39;m seeing anything about AI, you know, and even our day with strategic coach clients last Thursday in London. They brought it up because Evan Ryan was there, so I had him talk about this And he said a whole bunch of people got, came up and said boy, you know, this is taking me kind of by surprise. These are speaking people. So my sense is. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know that it\u0026#39;s fairly, fairly specific. Let\u0026#39;s say maybe 50 million, 50 million people who are probably English speaking Americans. English speaking Americans, you know, and they\u0026#39;re. I don\u0026#39;t see the Canadian government talking about it. You know, and you know I get the national every day than the national post And you know not much, talk about it, not much. You know few articles here, a few articles here. But if you go to the Wall Street Journal any day, you know which, you know there\u0026#39;s probably 15 or 20 articles of one kind on it, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd you just see all the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSo I think this is an interesting. I think this is profoundly unfair, mm, hmm. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWhat do you think? Well, what\u0026#39;s the summary of of Evan\u0026#39;s take on this Like, where\u0026#39;s he uniquely thinking? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, he said that the technology is meaningless unless you examine the teamwork that you want to improve. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nMm, hmm. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nHe says just learning how to do chat, g, p, t without applying that to teamwork probably isn\u0026#39;t going to get you anywhere. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nMm, hmm, yeah to a, as he did from the start. some examples of how it could be an exponential in teamwork. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, again what we\u0026#39;re, the way I understand it, starting because you know these are very, very high on the hierarchy decisions, you know so you know, I\u0026#39;m informed that a decision has been made. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI\u0026#39;m talking about my company Yeah yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, and I\u0026#39;m not joking. You know I\u0026#39;m not joking, because, no, i get it, but the you know the 12 hours have to be freed up because we want at least 80% of our team members to be on those calls. You know, so there\u0026#39;s a schedule, there\u0026#39;s a scheduling project that has to go. We have to find, you know, we have to find he\u0026#39;s doing it on zoom. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo it\u0026#39;s not a question of his availability. I mean, he\u0026#39;s the one who offered, you know, this. offered in the sense that he said would you pay for it? And we said, would you pay me for this? And we said, yeah, we really would. And but one of the big things is we\u0026#39;re just going after what people are actually working on. So we\u0026#39;re going to have sort of a little research project. It\u0026#39;s kind of like in the beginning of the program we asked you to take a quarter you know a normal quarter, 13 weeks And just write down every activity that you do, personal or business. Okay, so we have an inventory and then we put it through a filter. where is this an activity where you\u0026#39;re incompetent, or their activities here, where you\u0026#39;re actually incompetent but you\u0026#39;re kind of forced to do them just out of necessity, and then so incompetent because these aren\u0026#39;t doing you any good and they\u0026#39;re wearing you out and you\u0026#39;re not getting any projectivity from it, but you\u0026#39;re still doing it, yeah, and then. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then it\u0026#39;d be like Dean Jackson you know doing all the electrical and plumbing work in his house. You know, probably, probably, yeah, yeah. Or Dan Sullivan driving you know doing pickups and delivering. And then we get to competent where you\u0026#39;re, you know your average. You know you\u0026#39;re probably good as a lot of people, but it\u0026#39;s a chore, you know. And energy you know it\u0026#39;s an energy sucking chore. Then you get to excellence and that\u0026#39;s where you have real skills. You\u0026#39;re above. You know you\u0026#39;re better than other people, but there\u0026#39;s no spark for you. There\u0026#39;s no spark for you, you know. And if you look to head five years and you were still doing just as much of this as you are now, even though you produce excellent. You produce excellent results that went, like you, up that and that. And then there\u0026#39;s unique ability and this is the thing that just totally energized you. You can do it all day. At the end of the day. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eRight, you go eight, 10 hours and you\u0026#39;ve got more energy than when you started to the day and you\u0026#39;re totally. You\u0026#39;re so good at this. You don\u0026#39;t understand why other people aren\u0026#39;t. You know, you just do this and this and this. See how this fits together. You know, like that. And now, they don\u0026#39;t see it at all. They don\u0026#39;t see it at all. Right. And then the other thing is it\u0026#39;s the most valuable thing that people want to pay you for when you\u0026#39;re doing this mysterious, easy, easy thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd so and so we\u0026#39;re going to do the same thing with the AI project with Evan. We\u0026#39;re going to get everybody to inventory. We\u0026#39;re just going to mostly look at work, but we\u0026#39;ll include, you know, outside of work and just say, and he\u0026#39;s going to give us a series of categories, you know, where you just identify activities that are repetitious, they\u0026#39;re always required and you always have to do them, but they\u0026#39;re repetitious, and that if there was a machine teammate who could do this in a matter of seconds or minutes, where it takes you hours or days go after that and introduce the AI solution to this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo that would be one where AI is a teammate and the goal would be over six weeks to get you know, probably identify. 80% of of can quite quickly be taken care of by the AI teammate. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOh, this was great. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI mean, that\u0026#39;s a really good way to think about it. No, i think we\u0026#39;ll take a big productivity jump because we have we have a goal that we\u0026#39;re at a certain number right now, you know, and it\u0026#39;s it\u0026#39;s not the highest revenues we\u0026#39;ve had That was in 2019, but it\u0026#39;s a less than a million away. You know it\u0026#39;s less than a million away. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo and and so we\u0026#39;re saying well, if we went 10 times with that, because we\u0026#39;ve gone 10 times in in 15 years, 15 years ago, when we were one tenth what we were last year one tenth of that So in 15 years we went 10 times And but do that without adding more than another 20 individuals to the payroll. Yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s exciting Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, And then you\u0026#39;ll learn all sorts of things how work gets set up, how, you know, how does, how does this work come into existence? anyway, you know, and and you start developing standards that you know we really shouldn\u0026#39;t be, even bringing work like this into the company. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYou know it can be done outside Someone\u0026#39;s talking about it way of of thinking. he attached their team, his whole team, with and gave them bonuses for figuring out how to replace themselves with AI and and the new tools, kind of thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, i think the the languaging is really important. You don\u0026#39;t talk about replacing yourself. No, exactly, you\u0026#39;re replacing an activity and making it automatic that you don\u0026#39;t like doing and nobody really likes doing it. Yeah, and that wasn\u0026#39;t. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI think I said it wrong. It\u0026#39;s automate your, your, your role. Yeah, Because it\u0026#39;s yeah, replacing yourself. So yeah, that\u0026#39;s yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that\u0026#39;s like maybe that\u0026#39;s the thing, It\u0026#39;s not a multiply yourself, that\u0026#39;s a better framing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, right, yeah, i think that, i think that AI, yeah, yeah, i mean, that\u0026#39;s what all the scary movies are about Yeah. And and you know, and a lot of the predictions you know are about that. you know there aren\u0026#39;t going to be this or aren\u0026#39;t going to be that. And I and I\u0026#39;ve had occasion to bring up Cyrus McCormick with mentioning you as the thinker here, and I said you know, those 16 other people who now didn\u0026#39;t have to do backbreaking work were now freed up to do more specialized work in a growing society. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd they were able to get back to you. Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, so. so the delivery of the food which was required for the entire population from the you know the the harvesting wheat was simplified and made possible with just a farmer or a person on, you know, on the seat of the reaper, with the, you know, with the mule or with the work of 14 men. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWhat was the actual number? was it 14? Yeah, 14 men. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOne, yeah, one man with a reaper could do the work of 14 men. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, see, yeah That\u0026#39;s, that\u0026#39;s an enormous savings, but those people were freed up, i mean yeah, not like you know, they were clutching onto that job dearly You know they wanted to take a job. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey were taking our jobs, you know, and you know I was planning to do this every year for the next 30 years. You know, and and and you know is that that there\u0026#39;s this you know the the thing, like humans aren\u0026#39;t adaptable. You know there\u0026#39;s a profound belief among people who think about these things from a theoretical standpoint, that, you know, if this happens, human beings won\u0026#39;t be able to respond to it. You know, and I said, well history. History says you\u0026#39;re not paying attention, people do. They immediately jump, you know, to some new. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s an interesting framework to really think about. You know, certainly 25 years, you know the runway or whatever, but certainly in the next four years that\u0026#39;s. I think that\u0026#39;s why they really refer to. I think what Peter Diamandis kind of talked about is the near-term force, the able future, which is, i think it\u0026#39;s much easier to make five-year guesses than that kind of thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, but you know there\u0026#39;s a surprising number of the predictions at A360 that were made at our first conference 2011,. that really aren\u0026#39;t, you know, like you know VR for one thing is less. VR, you know, and you know it\u0026#39;s almost like people are saying, no, i wasn\u0026#39;t pushing that. You know I was not a member of the Communist Party. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know I mean it\u0026#39;s almost like they\u0026#39;re saying no, no, no, you know, it\u0026#39;s everything like that. But I remember people standing up there and said you know, the first one\u0026#39;s going to be right under Los Angeles. It\u0026#39;s going to go from the northern to the south, it\u0026#39;s going to go right from, you know, the airport right to the San Fernando Valley right. And then they ran into something called property rights. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eRight, right, Yeah, yeah and they thought, oh, the city will just override them. And I said well, you know, it\u0026#39;s a constitutional issue. It wouldn\u0026#39;t be decided in Los Angeles, it would be decided in Congress, you know or the Supreme Court. And you know. But people project a new thing and all is going to give way to it. It is so important And, but I said, wouldn\u0026#39;t there be a big traffic jam right where you try to get on the tunnel and really being a traffic jam, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI said you know. Just because you can visualize something and you can see yourself taking advantage of it, doesn\u0026#39;t mean that you know that Newton\u0026#39;s third law will move aside for you. Every action has an opposite and equal reaction. Yeah, but the two that seem to have really really gone even further than was predicted were AI, which I think. I think I was surprised by the chat GTT thing because I didn\u0026#39;t know there was something that could be that easy for individuals. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI knew that you know large organizations were using it and everything else, but that kind of surprised me. And the other thing is regenerative medicine and you know, using our own stem cells to repair things and to cure things and turning skin cells into any other kind of cell. That to me That\u0026#39;s like cracking. That\u0026#39;s, like you know, being able to capture and channel and direct electricity. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat seems to me to be a major, really major major thing. But there\u0026#39;s the AI combined with that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, ai, that translated where you. They can literally take the cell signals, you know, the signals from the body. They can actually, because we have an electric impulse and they can read. They can duplicate this electronically and then test those electronic signals as if they were actually cells in the body. And they can do 10,000 tests in a time that a manual test takes. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI said no, that\u0026#39;s, that\u0026#39;s super. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd I think that\u0026#39;s what\u0026#39;s going to come like. I think we\u0026#39;re going to end up in a sent power situation, like the chef masters, in that the biggest winners of the AI kind of advanced or not the one it\u0026#39;s not going to be just AI on its own, it\u0026#39;s going to be AI paired with a, you know, with an individual. It\u0026#39;s a top flight individual powered with AI that\u0026#39;s going to make the biggest impact Absolutely. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, it\u0026#39;s like. my next quarterly book is called training, training technology like a good dog And I say, you know, a tough guy with a tough dog will beat another tough guy who doesn\u0026#39;t have a dog, Exactly and rather than just, or just the dog alone, you know? yeah, that\u0026#39;s true, and the dog will be the one who announces the fight. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s so funny. Yeah, I realized we left last week on a bit of a cliffhanger with the working genius thing. I wondered if you had been able to do your working genius. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, it\u0026#39;s really good. It put me in a bind because I have other people sign me. I want to, and Patrick Lindsay only you know. I mean he\u0026#39;s very well read around our office regarding teamwork and everything like that. So I know who it is now. Yeah, i was going to do it that night, but Becca, who does all this stuff for me, said that she would sign me on when we got back from London. She was busy with a lot of things, and so it\u0026#39;s a project. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s a project that will be done this week. But you know, I found the website. It seems like another filter that we can use for, along with Colby and the Strength Finder and Print. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOh, i think it\u0026#39;s fantastic in that. Yeah, i would put it in. I would put it right up there with Colby in terms like Colby is most what is very useful and I think that if I were to rank the four of them. I would put that working genius right up there at the top. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eMore useful than just Strength Finder and more useful than Print. Yeah, they\u0026#39;re all a big. I don\u0026#39;t think you can ever have too much self-awareness, but I think having the you know, i think usable team dynamic awareness is great. James Drage sent me over. I had my whole team do it and he sent me a. You know, they have charts that show where your team genius is in terms of which team members like. If you\u0026#39;re looking to put together a project and you need a, i guess the ideal is that you have someone in each of the components the wonder, invention, the discernment, galvanizing, enablement and tenacity that you\u0026#39;ve got someone who\u0026#39;s a genius at that involved in that process. Yeah, you know the head of that division of it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo it\u0026#39;s really neat to see the dynamics of how people can work together, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, anyway, yeah, So anyway, work proceeds. you know, fly me. you know, 3,000 miles away, and my priority list for the day changes. I got it. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, yeah. London is the greatest walking city that I\u0026#39;ve ever. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOh man, you know, one of my favorite memories is our that when we ended up in London at the same time and we spent hours wandering around, Yeah we took that long hike out to that bookstore. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, And then we, and then we made our way back to a favorite restaurant of ours one. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nGreek street. Right And then yeah, that London\u0026#39;s perfect for that. I mean, that was yeah it was. It was dry and sunny kind of the poolside but sunny but there was no rain during the walk. The walk reaches there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBut anyway, i\u0026#39;m going to inquire about that And I\u0026#39;ve got a real project now with that, in advance of starting the AI Azure teammate program. We should have all the staff actually do this working genius exercise. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI think that would be a nice filter And I wonder that\u0026#39;s a really interesting thing is that\u0026#39;s a nice framework to think how can, how can AI help with? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s how we\u0026#39;ve pre-app your working genius. Yeah right, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s an interesting that\u0026#39;s a really interesting combinator. It\u0026#39;s a triple play. Your unique ability Well, you can work at AI and working genius. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, it\u0026#39;s kind of funny. You could add the triple play to it. So we got three things. You got the AI as a teammate, working genius and the triple play. I think that would be a nice trifecta. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, wow, that\u0026#39;s all thinking about your thinking. I came up with a new term, dan. I\u0026#39;ll plant the seed because I know we\u0026#39;re coming up at the top of the hour here. It went so fast this time It always does, but this one\u0026#39;s particular, you know, we\u0026#39;ve been talking about and I\u0026#39;ve been thinking about the mainland and the land here, but what I\u0026#39;ve really discovered is I was rereading thinking about your thinking, the small book. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe recently had our flood and all the that required us moving things around, and I found a copy of my your small book, the thinking about your thinking. I thought that you know there\u0026#39;s a third element of this that I\u0026#39;ve been calling Dean Blan dia, which is the inner world of thinking about my thinking and spending time there as a destination. And something you said, you know you said it kind of a couple of years ago, whenever you went on, you know, going off TV and stuff, the same thing stuck out at me. I don\u0026#39;t know exactly how you said it, but you basically said I realized that what\u0026#39;s going on in my own mind is far more interesting and valuable than anything going on in that, on that screen, in that box. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd how did you articulate? What was the the thought behind that? Because that that it stuck with me for all these years when you said that, yeah, Well, i think you do that too. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI mean that that both of us, fairly young and like I think, developed the ability to do that, amuse ourselves and entertain ourselves and educate ourselves without needing needing too much outside help and that, and you know, and We\u0026#39;ve stuck with that a lot. You know way, way beyond what Most people would say. Well, i used to have Interesting times when I when I had time you know where I would just think about things and everything else. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, of course you know I had to go to school and then I had to go out and get a job Right we started, started to pay him and of course I haven\u0026#39;t done any kind of thinking like that and I said, yeah, you know, i got you know on a path when I was, you know, somewhere around eight years old, where this was way more interesting. Than anything that I was encountering. The other thing I noticed is that I was interacting with adults and They didn\u0026#39;t see how to do this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey didn\u0026#39;t seem to do it because when I would bring up You know what was going on when they were eight years old and they were born 1910 or something, and I said wow, wow. And they said geez, i haven\u0026#39;t thought about this, you know, it\u0026#39;s I. He says here right me to think about think about things that I haven\u0026#39;t thought about, and then afterwards They would comment to my mother When they matter her. You know, dan asked questions and they Makes me remember things that I haven\u0026#39;t really remembered and I said well, you know, you know and I said hmm. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIf that had happened to me, I would have been thinking about it. I mean, if that was happening in the world, happening in the world at that time, boy. I all over it, you know and everything like that, and it struck me that people weren\u0026#39;t really reflecting On how they were thinking about their experiences. They were affecting on the experience, but they weren\u0026#39;t reflecting on how they were thinking about the experience. And so, and that didn\u0026#39;t bother me, and because I always like having Secret, unfair advantages- Mm-hmm, i Love that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI\u0026#39;ve been thinking you do the? oh, i really do. I\u0026#39;ve been monitoring and thinking now about You know, my my constant you\u0026#39;re. My present thought is less screen time, more dean time. But that\u0026#39;s really the thing is, the more I think about just even putting the screen down and just going inside and playing around in in Dean land is a. There\u0026#39;s a lot more beneficial stuff going on in the land. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, then The other you know, you know who we\u0026#39;re really. The organization that was that we both had extensive experience with. That was really on to this way back, you know, 40-50 years ago and as the four seasons. So tell yeah, and they have a motto about their company that we Systematize the predictable, mm-hmm, and so that we can humanize the exceptional. Yeah, and That seems to describe a general principle that Would take advantage of any new technology which allowed you to systematize the predictable. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, to free up people so that they could be Exceptionally human in any situation and I think that\u0026#39;s what we want to do. I mean, i think that\u0026#39;s a, that isn\u0026#39;t just a Organizational strategy. I think that\u0026#39;s That could be. You know, in the 21st century that could be a general human aspiration. You know, i want to get freed up from Doing machine-like work. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI don\u0026#39;t want to do machine-like work, you know right. I don\u0026#39;t want to. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI don\u0026#39;t want. I don\u0026#39;t want to be given tasks where I\u0026#39;m expected to be machine-like I. I\u0026#39;m just not going for that anymore. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nRight, i Love it. Yeah, well, i noticed, so I noticed. Next week is Says no Dan podcats on my calendar. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s right because traveling, we\u0026#39;re flying. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWe\u0026#39;re flying on Sunday to Chicago. So okay, yeah, so we have. You know, we have the first in person a free zone that week, you know on Thursday, okay and, but we\u0026#39;re flying in and we, you know, we Have to see the team and there\u0026#39;s all sorts of things, and I have all sorts of. I guess yeah, but the but. The big thing is that The one thing that\u0026#39;s not predictable is How people are going to think about the next 25 years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know you know, predictable, because, right, you know each person\u0026#39;s kind of responsible. or Using their own Brain to figure out things. Yeah, yeah and my sense is that Making predictions 25 years from now based on Present priorities and that, i think, doesn\u0026#39;t give you much insight, mm-hmm. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI Think gives you directional, you know in some way. But but it\u0026#39;s certain, i mean to know it gives you comfort when you start into look at well, what do we know that\u0026#39;s going to be true 25 years from now. You know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s really the thing, men are still going to be shaving that\u0026#39;s exactly the warm Buffett model, right? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s exactly yeah yeah, Yeah and yeah, and land things and. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, yeah, people are still going to be eating. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think yeah, yeah, well, i mean, there\u0026#39;s definitely entertaining. Yeah, what do all people do, you know, around the planet? Well, not everybody shapes, you know. But right, yeah, so But, given the market that you\u0026#39;re after is there, you know, we know. I do know alcohol is gonna play a big part of it. Now, they\u0026#39;re direct, you know They may buddy, one of the signs that an ancient Gathering of humans was actually human is pottery. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSo they\u0026#39;ll find shards, pottery shards and when they examine the shards. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYou know what they always find on the shards alcohol, alcohol, great, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, that\u0026#39;s so funny. Yeah, why did humans Create pottery? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nwell, yeah, you know, to have something they could make the alcohol and save the alcohol. They\u0026#39;re their mushroom bruise, right Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, i mean, they just do this to have pottery they did it right they can. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThey could make drinking alcohol a little bit more predictable. All righty, okay, dan. Well, i will. I\u0026#39;ll be here in two weeks, yeah, and we\u0026#39;ll be back, yeah, in two weeks. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSo we\u0026#39;re going to see Jeff. Maddowff\u0026#39;s play The end of men, the end of next week. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSo it opened with its first pre-order. So it\u0026#39;s a pre-order. So it\u0026#39;s a pre-order The end of men, the end of next week. So it opened with its first proof preview Last night. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSo they have a week of previews. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThey have a week of previews where they\u0026#39;re just, you know, making scene shifts and making adjustments to the script and you know, and everything else, and they have about five or six of these and People, they have audiences for them. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe other thing is that audiences can come in and see everything else, and then they, then they have two last ones Where they\u0026#39;re locked down Okay, so that all the changes have been made, and then the last two of the previews is It\u0026#39;s locked down. Now, this is the play, and then they have opening night, which is the 14th, and we\u0026#39;re going down the 16th. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOh, very nice, that\u0026#39;s so great. Yeah, all right. okay, i will talk to you soon. You. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In today’s episode of Welcome to Cloundlandia, we speak about the importance of making bets and guesses in today's shifting environment and how the eight profit activators form the foundation of any successful business.","date_published":"2023-06-23T13:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/33899d74-b038-4c17-8b9c-355aaa885bd6.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":38939886,"duration_in_seconds":3242}]},{"id":"dad18c03-cf3c-4998-a0ee-3b5d5a074ae5","title":"Ep100:Exploring the Power of Internal Realms and Perfection","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/100","content_text":"In today’s episode of Welcome to Cloundlandia,  we explore the concept of existing in multiple zones simultaneously, moving beyond the binary and discovering a third space - the Free Zone.\n\n\u0026amp;nbsp\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n\n\nDiscover the power of existing in multiple zones simultaneously, such as the Free Zone, where you can mine your thoughts and experiences for the most fulfilling outcomes.\nEmbrace your inner world and learn how dedicating time to your internal realms, like \"Deanlandia,\" can shape and enhance your external experiences.\nPursue the perfect life by focusing on your unique abilities and playing life like a game, constantly adapting and exploring new opportunities.\nConsider the changing ideas of success over the last 28 years and how the most successful individuals have achieved their goals.\nExplore the fascinating connections between technology and dog ownership, as well as the potential for collaboration between humans and animals.\nApply the principles of playing life like a game to create even more collaborations between humans and animals.\nClaim your internal realms to open up new territories of collaboration, using tools like the 'who finder' and vision capability to reach assets.\nReclaim your internal world and use it as a new territory to be explored and mined for the best resources and outcomes, without others having to know.\nTake inspiration from Shakespeare in creating your own projects and claiming your 'andia' to open up new opportunities and experiences.\nRemember the importance of taking action to achieve success, rather than just believing in it, and use that mindset to pursue your perfect life.\n\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\nDean Jackson\nMr Sullivan. \n\nDan Sullivan\nAh, mr Jackson, Welcome to the Cloudlandia. Yes yes, But actually we're movable folks, you and I. \n\nDean Jackson\nWe really are. \n\nDan Sullivan\nAnd sometimes we operate focused on the mainland, that's true, and then other times we are involved in and focused on called landia, that's true. But I've discovered a third zone, me too. Yes, it's not binary, it's try bin, try, try bear. \n\nDean Jackson\nTry banger. \n\nDan Sullivan\nIt's try, try, nery. You know, try, nery, and what's? yeah, because my feeling, feeling is that the that most folks are operating simultaneously, trying to integrate their mainland activities And, at the same time, taking advantage of Cloudlandia capabilities, that's true, and they don't have any space in between, which I call the, which, using coach language, i call the free zone. \n\nDean Jackson\nOkay, i like this. I like where this is going, because it's very familiar with the stock life and having. \n\nDan Sullivan\nIsn't that strange. Isn't that strange that we should be thinking along the same lines. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nBut not really. No, my, you know. \n\nDean Jackson\nI've been and I mentioned to the couple of times ago this idea of discovering Deanlandia Thinking about my thinking and that I realized I spend a disproportionate amount of time in Cloudlandia. If you think about the, if you include, like consuming content and watching, you know, netflix, or watching all those things as Cloudlandia activity, right, like taking in digital form, consuming something else, seeking dopamine from external sources, that that I'm lumping under the whole you know Cloudlandia thing, screen sucking, as our friend Ned Hololow would call it, and what I've realized. I've made a conscious effort and shifted the balance over the last couple of weeks here on my. my mantra has been less screen time, more Dean time. \n\nAnd I've been taking time to really think about my thinking And you know I've mentioned it to you Last time we spoke that you, you know, i was all stuck in my mind that when you mentioned, when you turned off, you know, tv and Netflix and all that stuff you, you made, you came to the realization that what's going on in your mind is better than what's coming out of the screen, right, basically? \n\nThat there's a more fulfilling, enriching game going on inside your head than coming out of the screen right, and that was something that's always stuck with me. But I really get it now kind of on a different level, having really dedicated the last couple of weeks to shifting that balance. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWell, dean, i'll use your term, dean Landia has some advantages. One is that it's a complete prezone, because no one else knows what's going on? Nobody else knows what's going on, And Dean said until he tells you. \n\nDean Jackson\nLikewise for Dan Landia. I mean, that's really the great thing, right, Everybody has their own. You've got Dan Landia And that's the inner world that we. I mean it's the dominant thing. When you really think about how much time and how much of our external experience is dependent on what we're you know, what we're doing in in Deanlandia or Danlandia, that's shaping everything. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, and one of the things that's really interesting about that, because you're you're the only one who has a unique ability of being Dean in Deanlandia. You know it's pretty. Yeah, it's a complete. We just auditioned and accepted another associate coach, and just last last, this past week in Chicago, and and and Ben Laws, who's a member of the Free Zone. He came up about six, seven months ago and, and you know, usually more because they have to go through an audition. \n\nAnd the way it works is, you know, there's a conversation that develops with someone who indicates that they might be interested in being one of our associate coaches, so he makes number 16 that we have and and we don't. You know, we don't add them at a fast pace, you know, i think the last right maybe three or four years, because we really want to check out first of all. \n\nYou know we do some due diligence and we talk to referrals that the person gets to us and I said you know and and you know, is this person someone who actually enjoys coaching? \n\nyou know, seems to be coach, like in their way of operating and you know so we check that out and then we check out you know how the family situation is, the home situation, because it's gonna require, you know, more travel and it's commitment. You know we we're not looking for a one-year associate coach, where I mean, are you know the, the average length of the? if we add the previous the, you know the existing 16 coaches, on average they've got 16 years, 16, 17 years coaching you know and you know some of them are year 28 27 and so you know we wanted to. \n\nYou know we want it to be timeless, we wanted you know, and and because the program is always developing so there's always new things and they can. You know, with skill and with achievement they can jump from one level you know we just brought up five to the ten times level and, and it's our biggest place yours yeah, yeah, and it's our biggest multiplier in the coach. \n\nWhen you think about it, you know, you know. I mean I coach right now. I coach maybe you know 15% of the clients. The other 85% are coached by the other coaches you know, and they're, they're all coaching. People have written checks to strategic coach right yeah and and the other thing is, i've never seen one of them coach you've never sat in on. \n\nDean Jackson\nI remember you saying that you don't sit in on the session or you're not and you know I've actually never been. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI've never been you know I've never been in the room or on a zoom call when they're, when they're coaching, and so what happens? they get to the ultimate moment before you know, before it's yes or no, and and that we have an audition panel of coach, coach clients, who have all trained in the role of being a difficult client, workshop client ah after observation many expert oh no, we're. We're completely familiar with the subject of difficult yeah that's what. \n\nI mean after observation yeah, workshop, and each of them sort of masters the role, and they have a series. Usually there are a series of questions or there are series of challenges, and the best way to get them difficult is to turn everybody into an extreme fact finder. I don't, i don't understand what you're saying there. You know? could you, you know? could you give you know? can you, you know? can you explain that a little bit more? \n\nI'm not quite getting that chip now and so anyway, and launch ratio, he passed with playing colors, you know, and he's, he's in, but he had auditioned three years ago and we've been turning down we just said, we don't think you're ready yet, okay, we just oh wow yeah, he was only three years, and he was only three years in the program, so right, you know he, you know, i mean he, he just had basic toilet training down, but he didn't have it advanced right now we're now. We're looking for volume and velocity yeah, right, exactly and accuracy well, that's exciting. \n\nDean Jackson\nI mean, that's a good insight into you know how that that process works. \n\nDan Sullivan\nBut the thing and I want to bring it back to your comment of Dean Landia and because usually you know my role is to go in and say good luck, you know, and everything like- that but. I said that that's stupid. We're not looking for luck, right, right right. We're looking for confidence and capability, you know. And so I went in and I said, ben, be yourself. \n\nAnd I had a huge impact on me afterwards, you know, when the verdict was in and there was a pizza and champagne celebration in the cafe. I went up to him and he said that had a huge impact on me and I said, yeah, but being yourself is is the first free zone, hmm. I like that thought that it's true. \n\nThere's no competition, no one who can possibly compete at being you yeah, yeah you know, and so, anyway, he and then we, he brought it up, i brought it up and we were in the free zone workshop the next day. This is Wednesday, the free zone was on Thursday. \n\nLive, you know, we had actual, live human beings in a physical room and it came up as a topic and it went on for about 45 minutes and you know, and people said, yeah, yeah, be yourself. You know, be yourself. You know Oscar Wilde, you know the sort of the outrageous English British, you know, writer, you know he was a novelist and wrote plays and commentator. Yeah, he had a line which I thought was halfway there. \n\nHe said be yourself, everyone's taken that's the make of yeah, but that seems like a kind of negative approach to it. My, you know my, my approach, and I'm coming back to the Dean Landia idea and the Dan Landia idea. I'm coming back and I'm saying be yourself, because the territory is entirely you. \n\nDean Jackson\nYou just have to take ownership yes, it's pretty exciting when you start thinking like that, like when I love and then embracing, you know your I'm just thinking this morning in my journal about the, you know the uniqueness of our, both the internal things and the external advantages that we have. Like I was thinking about the element of a perfect life. That was a concept that I've been. You know, 25 years ago we did this exercise of. I know I'm being successful when, when I created this program with Thomas Leonard and you know the, i've been really thinking about these, the elements here of a perfect life, and you know it comes down to, i love, like bedrock things, things that are, you know, universal, contextual rocks that, if you look at, we're all, all the elements that go into creating a perfect life. \n\nOur time, where it's, you know that's we're all born into, that it's here, whether we before we were here, it's gonna be here after, but it's one element that we're all working within the construct of the speed of reality 60 minutes we're born and the game is already going you think about it as a? video game. Is we're joining the game in process, right, it's already been yeah going on. \n\nThen the next level is what I encompass as me or you. You know you've got everything that is distinctly weird. It's strip you naked, put you on a deserted island. That's the everything that you have right now. Is you so that's? and some of those things are factory settings that you can't really change like your. You're a male. Your IQ, your, your genetic health, your situation, you know all of those you're, you know your brain power, you know, yeah, your brain power, and I think that there is an advantage you can't deny. \n\nYou say yourself life's not fair. It's not fair that some people are born with super high IQs, super physical strength, super genetic, you know health, makeup, and others are born with, you know, other with challenges, in that sometimes people are born with mental disabilities or physical disabilities or all of the things. \n\nBut when you do an assessment, if you're kind of pushing the reset button on the game and I love your idea of 25 year framework, so I 25 year terms yeah, that you end up with a you know every thing, if we're joining the game in progress, if you're kind of pushing the reset button now you just turned 79 years old, you had a reset in, you know 75 and you kind of make the, the rules up as you go, because that's the great thing about it everything is made up, like you say, and the. \n\nBut if you do an assessment at any point, if we just kind of do an inventory of what are my you know me advantages that I have right now, if I were just to say, and I think that's all of your, all of the knowledge, all of your physical situation right now, all of those things are what you're left with. And then the next is the environment, which is all of the settings, all of the external things. Like an environment is where you are in the game. If you're born into rural China, that's a different environment than being born in North America or being born in Canada. \n\nYou've got a moving sidewalk advantage that you're in the mix. You've got geography on your side, you've got the economy. So all of that stuff is an environmental thing that you can change. This is part of the thing is that anytime we could up and move to rural China if you wanted to or change your environment that's where you are thinking comes in with the immigrant thinking. \n\nYou're thinking where you're leaving everything behind, and that's kind of this thought is where would be the best environment for what you want for this next 25 years? if you're going to set up the plan there, then the next is people. that there's all the people that are involved and that's distinct from your environment, and who you choose to collaborate with. cooperate with, you know, co-habitate with. Some of them are your family, that you're assigned when you come into the game. \n\nDan Sullivan\nBut then there are other Already pre-assigned. \n\nDean Jackson\nActually, that's exactly right, pre-assigned, that's exactly right. And then money is the final element, and I think that the thing becomes taking your imagine. \n\nMy visual metaphor for it is this continuous runway game like Guitar Hero or something, where it's just constantly coming at you at the speed of 60 minutes per hour and you get to move the joystick into whatever environment where you're going to allocate that time and in what environment, with what people, and those environments are either contributing to money or taking away from you or using money to participate in that part of the environment, or you're in an environment that's making money, and so those five elements of the game are a really fun thing. \n\nDan Sullivan\nAnd what you just said is true for everyone. \n\nDean Jackson\nYes, that's exact, and that's why the framework. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThe truth. the whole thing is how you play the game. And let's take poker, for example. The best poker players aren't the ones who get an unusual run of good cards. Right, I mean, over the course of, let's say, 50 games, they didn't get any better cards than anybody else did. \n\nDean Jackson\nNo, you're absolutely right. It's so funny. That's really the And those are situations. That's a perfect example that this really is. You're playing it like a game and I wanted to, and that was made the distinction of A perfect life, not D perfect life, because A perfect life acknowledges that there are 8 billion versions of it. Everybody is in possession of one life, that they get to play the game and pursue a perfect for them life. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's a fun game. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, someone one of the FreeZone participants on Thursday just casually was talking, then dropped the line. perfect, i said whoa, whoa whoa, whoa, whoa, perfect, perfect, So right, okay, so I'm going to give you an easy approach to perfection, okay, and this is what I've done. \n\nJust declare yourself perfect. Yeah, just say I'm perfect. Now, how am I going to expand that over the next 90 days? Right, yeah. And it takes them right back to unique ability, because that's the only dynamic capability that we have is that we have a unique ability that nobody has, which is a more. \n\nWhich is a more coach, which is a more coachified way of talking about. You have a unique ability. That's where the perfection is, but you haven't fully explored all the different ways that you can be more conscious of that, and you haven't explored all the ways in which it can move into greater capabilities and impact in the world. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, and I guess, that's a guess. \n\nDan Sullivan\nSo that's what Dean Landy is. Dean has a unique ability, unique to him, and I think I passed on to you a comment that says a psychologist is doing a study on the ultimate paper on outliers And he was very, very keenly interested in talking to me, because the words gone around about strategic coach and the whole philosophy of strategic coach is based, and the practice of strategic coach is based on a concept called unique ability. And the question to me was what do unique people have in common? And I said, well, nothing, yeah. \n\nDean Jackson\nWhat do unique people have in common? \n\nDan Sullivan\nNothing. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's the absolute truth, isn't it? Yeah? \n\nDan Sullivan\nI mean I said I've looked the term up in the dictionary and it's a thing unto itself and there's no similarity to it with anything else. I mean unique either means what it means or it doesn't mean anything. But you can't have a unique ability cult. \n\nDean Jackson\nI think you're right. The interesting thing is, there's always this room for improvement. \n\nThere's always room for progress And I think that if I think about perfection as something being perfect, as an asymptotic curve that continues to prove I never levels out, is I like some of these definitions, like I'm a big entomologist too similar to you in looking at? I look at the definitions of things right, and I think that what's perfect is, as an adjective, having all the required or desirable elements, qualities or characteristics, as good as it is possible to be. My favorite one is highly suitable for someone or something Exactly right. There's always this thing that we always have just like a horizon, we always have an opportunity to move forward, and I think that that, but it's nice to be able to think that. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, well, i think, the wildcard. There's a couple of wildcard factors here. One wildcard factor is that we live in the realm of time. Okay, Yeah. And time's always moving on? Yeah, and as it moves on, things change You know, Yeah, at least they change in terms of our awareness. you know that we're aware of. Gee, that's something new, you know and everything. And the thing is that there's a high premium here on adaptability, of saying, well, this is the perfect approach here, but you know, next week it might not be. \n\nDean Jackson\nAnd being. This is where being alert, curious, all of those things are. Yeah, i was looking back at the last 25 years and I was actually thinking like I'd like round things. I'm moving to where, you know, i'm three years away from being 60, and that will be a 25-year. You know, from 2000 was when I kind of started that 25-year vision, you know, and I would tell it now that I've got three years to get to 60, and then 25 years from there will take me to 85, right, and But I look at what's happened. You know that's 28 years right now, kind of looking forward there, and I think of them as academic years. So you know, 28 seasons kind of thing or whatever. I think about them starting in September. But the I think I was really thinking this morning, think about all the things that have changed in that 28 years from 1996 to, you know, to now, and the richest people in the world right now none of them were even doing what they're doing to get to that point 28 years ago. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, and that wouldn't, there was no. \n\nDean Jackson\nThere was no Google, there was no Facebook there was no YouTube. \n\nDan Sullivan\nBut even if you take Berkshire Hathaway, which is outside of its technological realm, i mean Warren Buffett will tell you that all of his money, you know he's in his, approaching his mid-90s now and all of his money's really been made, you know, recently. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, and isn't that? I mean you think about that Warren Buffett was? He was the richest guy in the world or among them. Then, you know, 28 years ago, that's just So, it was Bill Gates, and you know, you think about some of those, the OG ones, but you think about how much, like the internet was just a baby in the United States And brand new. Yeah, You know, you see that My favorite is seeing that. You know Brian Gumbel and Katie Couric clip of them discussing what is the internet. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYou know, yeah well, and what's this thing dot com? you know? right, exactly. Yeah, what's a, what's hello, What Yeah well, i mean, do you have a clue? and these are, you know, these are people in the middle of the news media, you know. I mean yeah and yeah I mean and, and you know they're at and they're in New York City. You know they're right in the Center of one of the world's great plugged in cities. \n\nYou know, and they're wondering there was. So, you know, i mean, it's really interesting. Just a little point about that. I had just been, you know, you know, doing podcasts with Mike Kenix and Peter Diamadas and Both of them said they made a statement similar to Everybody now is paying attention to AI. Okay, yeah, that's the first part. The second part was I was in London for a whole week and I had a whole event all day with, you know, 100 strategic coach clients, and The only reason anybody was talking about the AI was that Evan Ryan happened to be in UK at that time and I invited to come for the day and I had him come in and And everybody wanted to know what this was. You know, and, and I was reading the. You know London is very rich with newspapers and, yeah, i, you know I was reading the tele every day, the telegraph and. \n\nNobody, nobody was talking about AI. And I, you know, and I said, and I said this is London, another globally plugged in city. You know, you know. I mean you know on a par with New York. And I said, you know, i bet, if I, if, if I go to Africa and visit all the capital cities of Africa, i bet they're not talking about AI, you know right and yeah, yeah. So you know, I mean we're very, very biased towards what, what we're involved in. \n\nWe're very, very biased towards what we're excited about you know, and everything like that, but that's Not being in your own India, you know. \n\nDean Jackson\nI mean, i find your own private India Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, have you taken ownership of your India yet? \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, you know you gotta, you gotta register it. There's like the land rush, you know you got. \n\nDean Jackson\nYour grandfather, did you? nobody's Just got a claim. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI think I think you're hitting on something very, very fundamental Which I'm suspecting is very Recent in human history. Okay, and by recent I don't mean, you know, the last 10 years, i mean the last 400 years, and the reason I say 400 Is because I was watching a YouTube video. There's a author who's dead now I think he died last year, in his 90s by the name of Harold Bloom, a professor at Yale, and His specialty was Shakespeare. I mean, he was considered the Foremost expert and commentator on Shakespeare in history. No one, no one, has written about, spoken about Shakespeare more. And Shakespeare, for Harold boom, shakespeare is the. He has a book, is a huge book. You know, it's a big, thick book and It's called Shakespeare, the invention, the invention of human. And He, you know he makes his case. He's, you know he's got all sorts of convincing arguments and everything like that. But he said Shakespeare was the first writer of any kind, the first dramatist of any kind Who, on stage and of course in the writing, but on stage has characters talking to themselves. \n\nAnd He said it's the first one. Yeah, we've never seen. He said I've. You know, i've explored all the stories and all the you know The religions and everything, and he's the first. He's the first character, but it's not just one character. He created about 25 different characters who do this and And they talk to themselves, they have conversations with themselves, and he said there's a crossover and That the modern world really exists when people started talking to themselves in the ancient world before they did. Because now you're thinking about your thinking and You're now reflecting on it and sharing it with the audience. Who the character doesn't know is there. \n\nYou know he thinks he's alone, but there's, yeah you know, there's a thousand people watching this take place, but he says it's also the birth of personality and he says you Prior, prior to Shakespeare. \n\nYou don't get these really incredible personalities, you know, like Macbeth, hamlet and Yeah yeah, you know, shia I like, and Iago and all these amazing, and they're complete universes in themselves. I mean, there, there, they're not. They're not even in service of the pot. They just have this complete, almost endless depth to them. And And I Was pod raid that. \n\nAnd Freud, the you know, the famous psychiatrist rain around the 1900 was asked Who he thought was the greatest expert on human psychology, thinking that he would talk about someone in his field or someone he you know, and that he was going to be humble and Give credit to some other person. and he said well, you know, every time I think I'm on a completely new insight And it's like walking down a new road. About halfway down the road I see somebody walking back the other way and and And it's Shakespeare, and Shakespeare. Shakespeare says I thought it was promising, but not really. You know, i mean, take it for me. And I found that a very striking comment on Freud's perch. You know, i mean he was, he was, i mean he was totally into himself, i mean he was a character himself and he was a personality. \n\nBut if you put bloom and Freud together, what he's saying is that this is very, very recent And it actually has to beginning with one thinker, and you know it has that has to begin in. So I think we're living in that That world and what you and I are doing today, we're saying, yeah, we didn't come up with the notion that there's a mainland and a cloud land via. You know, we, we simply put names to something that people were already dealing with. Yeah, but it's like it's binary, you know, it's like when you, when you, you know, reach the border for this border of the mainland, then you're in cloudlandia. \n\nDean Jackson\nBut what you're. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWhat you're suggesting is Well. That may be true for most people, But in fact it's possible to create a third zone that lies between Mainland the mainland and cloudlandia. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's the truth. I look at them as the layers there. You're absolutely right. Yeah, it's the one that. Yeah, it's the thing that puts it all together. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, It's interesting, this thing of technology and the book, the quarterly book I'm writing. This is quarter 35, so this is book 35. And it's called Training Technology Like a Good Dog. \n\nDean Jackson\nOkay. \n\nDan Sullivan\nAnd it's really getting interesting and I'm doing some reading on the topic of. has anyone else made this connection between technology and dogs? And a really nice piece, an academic piece, pretty recent, it just sort of came out And it makes the claim that dogs are in fact humanity's first technology. And this is the thinking this is the thinking that it's the first time humans have taken another species. You know, have taken wolves and done a deal with them, you know. \n\nBasically, but there was no such thing as a dog until there was a collaboration between some canny wolf and some you know response of human being And together they created a new creature on the planet called dog you know, And so so when you look at, you know all the various shapes and sizes of, you know of dogs. I live in the beaches area of Toronto and there's a boardwalk about a two minutes away from our front door. \n\nAnd I go down and walk and boy, they sure come in a lot of different varieties but it's all a creative, but it's all a created species and did not pre exist before humans and another species did a collaboration And I says therefore how have we done with the technology called dogs? And we've done, we've been very creative. You know, we've been very creative. You know I mean it's, it's hard to you. Don't see them often, but sometimes you see a chihuahua down there. You know which are, you can hold in your hand. \n\nAnd I ran into one I had never seen two weeks ago, called a Leon burger. Okay, never heard of it And it's a German dog. \n\nDean Jackson\nIt's a St. \n\nDan Sullivan\nBernardish As a matter of fact, I think it's a it's bred from. it's a combination of putting the St Bernard and several other mountain work dogs together called. Leon burger, and it's arguably the biggest, the biggest of the breeds, and they weigh in at about a hundred and forty, five hundred and fifty pounds. They're a big, big dog and very, very tranquil, you know very tranquil, very, you know, very easy to get along with. \n\nAnd I said well, somebody you know, some back there, series of people says let's get a really, really little dog. You know one you can hold in your hand And you know. And and somebody else said you know what we do, we need a bigger dog. We need a bigger dog. But you have to realize, is you're, you're dealing with a technology that was actually created by human beings in the first place. That's amazing. \n\nDean Jackson\nIt was made. \n\nDan Sullivan\nthey're made up, Dogs are made up. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, i think you say. then what would be the next collaboration? that paved the way for us to collaborate with donkey and oxen. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, Pigs cows, you know yeah yeah, but my feeling is the knowledge of developing dogs then led to you know, led to you know all sorts of you know domestication of animals, just spread very quickly after they cracked the code, after they cracked the code on dogs. \n\nDean Jackson\nThink about that All the yeah, the golden age of carrier pigeons and falconry, and yeah, parrot, we opened up a whole new yeah. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, a whole new world. Yeah, yeah, i think you're on the front. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThere's a, there's a, there's a parallel weapon. Well, this is the only topic that Peter Diamandis has ever asked me to share at A360. \n\nDean Jackson\nAnd. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI wasn't asked to come on stage, i just did a little 10 minute riff. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nBut I said, you know, i had 10 minute riff there And that was, you know, six, seven years ago And but it's, it's been one of those. It's been like a piece of food that gets caught in your teeth. You know, my tongue's been working away for the last five or six years And I've been saying, you know, i think there was something in that little riff I did there. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThat will be useful now when we talk about the technologies that we have right now, and what I've established in the book is that you don't get a good dog unless you establish completely and take responsibility that you're the owner. Okay, and my sense is the same thing with any technology, but especially the ones that were are you know are the hot numbers in Cloudlandia. \n\nDean Jackson\nI love it. \n\nDean Jackson\nI mean this is such great. I can't wait for that one to come out. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, and you know the book. The book surprises you, i mean, as you go along. \n\nAnd. but the central thing is, i mean it's it's a bit of a diversion, because I'm talking about dogs and I'm really talking about you know, and I'm talking about technology, but it's actually a diversion. What I'm trying to emphasis is what does ownership mean? Are you a human being who's actually taken ownership of yourself, because it makes a lot easier than to be the owner of a dog and the owner of technology? if you've actually taken ownership of yourself And I think that Dean Lambea is a statement I've taken ownership of this territory. \n\nDean Jackson\nI think that's right And all that that entails And that's the part of the best thing. If you did inherit a land or took ownership of it, part of the great joy is exploring the territory. That's really what Well, i'm putting yeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nAnd the other thing is putting your mark on it you know, Yeah. I think, that's amazing, Yeah, And the land rush. You know they had the homesteading act. It's an act of Congress. And then the various states would have land rushes, They would be territories and they had goal to be a state. Oklahoma is the very famous, you know the very famous example. And so it didn't have Oklahoma, the Oklahoma territory, which was borrowed from the Native Indians who were there. \n\nBut they were Yeah, but they were very deficient on property lines, they were. They were very deficient on surveys, you know, and they said it was their land, but there was. They didn't register it, you know they didn't you know they didn't go to the, you know to the Native Territory Registry Office and register it And so got a certain date. You know the financial interests and the political interests in Oklahoma set that up And you have to get in agreement with the federal government that you're doing this. \n\nYou know it's a teamwork thing but on a particular day you could line up at one border of Oklahoma. You couldn't do it from all four borders. You could do it And there was a gunshot or a cannon was off, and then you would go to claim a hundred, a hundred, i think it was a hundred acres hundred acres And you know, and you had to survey it in, you had to put the survey lines in and you had to put stakes, stakes along the way, and you, they had surveyors who were helpers and they would, you know, give the, you know from their understanding, the, you know the specific latitude and longitude. \n\nAnd then they had a registry office and these were movable registry offices because it was dynamic action for like a six month period And by the end of six months all the land was registered, all the land in the state was registered, and then you know, and then they invited people to move in to the potential new state of Oklahoma and once they got a population that was equal to the state of Rhode Island, they could petition for statehood, and that's how the state got created. \n\nDean Jackson\nIsn't that interesting? I there was a great movie. There was a great movie called Far and Away and it was Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman and it told the story of them coming from Ireland to Oklahoma, to America, where they're giving away land. They saw flyers in the, you know, in England or in Ireland and decided that they would make the track over and start a new life in America. Yeah, it was a very fascinating thing And it's interesting how the Oklahoma Sooners the Sooners got their name because some of them, as you said, before the gun went off, they went in. \n\nDean Jackson\nSooner and already, already. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, they yeah, that's why. Yeah, that's why the The name has stuck, you know and I'll go home, Yeah and because they were Too soon. they were too soon, Yeah that's right, Yeah that's they had already. \n\nThey were already there and then they hit, but and then, if anybody else came, they Suddenly emerged and said no, no, we've staked up this territory, we've already done it, you know, and and Everything else you know, like Italy, i was on a bus in Italy and it was on the Amalfi coast, which is a spectacular, you know, spectacularly beautiful part. But we weren't on the coast, we were in a town and I was sitting the closest a passenger could be to the bus driver, so he was on Left, because they, they, they, they drive on the same way we do in the states, you know, on the same side of the road. And we came in a village where we came down, and then there was a perpendicular road, road we around didn't go through. You had to turn, and, and these client and the sign at the end clearly said Turn right the arrow was pointing right and the bus driver turned left and I said I think that's one way. \n\nThe other way isn't? he says, mere suggestion. \n\nDean Jackson\nI'm mere suggestion. That's funny. \nI love it. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI love it and that that explains that. That explains Italians approach to all laws merely Yeah. \n\nDean Jackson\nI thought, by the way, your Go ahead, you're about to talk about you're. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYou're about to talk about me, so I want to hear it fully, of course. \n\nDean Jackson\nI saw your working genius. \n\nDean Jackson\nOh yeah through before. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat'd be a good No surprise, but no is identical. \n\nDean Jackson\nYes, we have identical working geniuses. \n\nDean Jackson\nIt's funny, yeah, but Useful. I mean, i've got a. \n\n0:54:16 - Dan Sullivan\nI found it very useful and we're going to give it to all the free zoners You know we're going to give it you know like we do. We did that with the print, which I find useful in its own way and you know. So you know Strength finder. I find that useful. Cold be very useful. \n\nDean Jackson\nAnd you know so. I mean they're like interesting. It would be, or be fascinating For, if everybody in free zone did the working genius and they got a way to combine, to show Like we could show the free zone environment with everybody's strength lit up. As You know, if you need Some particular working genius, these are all the free zone people that are. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWell, it's really interesting because we just created a tool. Our tech team did the Website on the coach website that's called the who finder, and I like you and you go in and just list who you are. In terms of the kind of kinds of projects you like to work on and where your best abilities are And what your best solutions are and you just listed and anybody else can look at that and contact you. \n\nDean Jackson\nI like that. I'm just good thinking. Something similar among Looking at the, the VCR assets as well vision capability and reach Assets to be able to be where people have Access, capacity or have need. Yeah, as a framework for collaboration, oh yeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nSo I mean you could, you could just take the who finder and just expand it to include those categories with credit, with credit given to the originator. \n\nDean Jackson\nBut I think those that would really open up a lot of collaboration. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, there's one. I don't know if you've met him because he's a Year into free zone. His name is Chad Jenkins. Have you met Chad Jenkins? I have met Chad. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, i met Chad and he was in Palm Beach, right. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, yeah, and he's a multi-company man and in North Carolina. But he in one year has stripped out all of his Activities except collaborating with other people, mainly in free zone, mainly in free zone And then adding their capabilities to the companies that he owns. I like that. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, yeah, yeah. Well, let's come up. \n\nDan Sullivan\nLet's just sum up a little bit, three things that emerged and you're thinking, since we started at the Top of the previous hour, what let's come through? that Takes what you were already working on further Well. \n\nDean Jackson\nI like this idea of You know, claiming your and via. I think It's a really interesting concept, but if you take it like a, a new territory to be explored and mined for all the best resources and outcomes, and I Think there's, i think there's really something to that of thinking of it as Property, you know well, I think the the interesting thing about it It isn't that other people have to know That have to know because they can't They can't right the whole point is do you claim it for yourself? \n\nYeah, I Think that's amazing, like I think there's so much of our. That's really where we spend the most time, you know. I mean, it's there, the It's what shapes everything. You know so much of our life experience is our internal, whether we recognize it as that or not, but where our attention goes well, and I think the other thing that is very crucial about this, and And we didn't really get into that, but since That, i'll just use my own example. \n\nDan Sullivan\nFor a long time in my life I didn't claim my India. I didn't and, but I beat myself up For being there rather than being either in the mainland or in clockland. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah right. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThe meantime I was in Dan Dan landia. I thought it was a waste of time that I you know why are you doing this? \n\nDean Jackson\nI mean, this is wasted time, this is wasted effort you know why you, why What teachers and authorities kind of beat it out of you. He's always yeah, he's always got his head in the cloud. He's always down. Often, if he's often his own world. It's always beaten out of us as a negative thing. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWell yeah, or or we tell other, we give other people permission to beat us up Yeah. \n\nDean Jackson\nWell it's true, right, yeah, i mean. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI mean it's interesting, I think that It's. It's a new world that we're in, but my, my sense is that it really starts, and I'm I feel good about description. You know that Professor Bloom gives that this really really started with Shakespeare. Shakespeare is the first human being to Open the door That this is available to you know, he's, he's available to you. \n\nWhat's really, really interesting, he comes across as a very tortured soul. So I think he only went halfway with this idea. And that is he says we, we need to worship Shakespeare by this. And I said, no, you got to use Shakespeare as a working example and then, in your own realm, do What he suggested you can do and I get the sense that that he didn't do that. \n\nHe didn't do that. You know he, you know he turned it, you know he talks about it in almost like religious terms and I said, right, yeah, it's like. It's kind of like you have a retrieval dog and You shoot and you kill the duck. You know the duck fall and then you then you point to the pointer. You know you point to that, and instead of going and getting the duck, he looks your finger. \n\nDean Jackson\nOh, right Oh. \n\nDan Sullivan\nMighty one, Oh mighty one. I love it when you point you know yeah no, no, there's. There's a project here, You know. Go do what, go do what you're supposed to be doing. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, and I get it. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, i got it feeling with I got a gold mine out of this and Yeah, claiming your andia that's the exactly right. \n\nDean Jackson\nI got a gold mine out of this, and I got a gold mine out of this, and I did, yeah, claiming your andia. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThat's the exactly right. That's just the t-shirt that we're going to, that's right. I mean coffee cops bumper sticker soon. I mean there's the universe Emerging anyway, Same same time next week. Absolutely, i wouldn't miss it. \n\nDean Jackson\nAlrighty, thanks, dan, okay. Okay, okay, dean. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn today’s episode of Welcome to Cloundlandia,  we explore the concept of existing in multiple zones simultaneously, moving beyond the binary and discovering a third space - the Free Zone.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul style=\"list-style-type: circle;\"\u003e\n\n\u003cli\u003eDiscover the power of existing in multiple zones simultaneously, such as the Free Zone, where you can mine your thoughts and experiences for the most fulfilling outcomes.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eEmbrace your inner world and learn how dedicating time to your internal realms, like \"Deanlandia,\" can shape and enhance your external experiences.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003ePursue the perfect life by focusing on your unique abilities and playing life like a game, constantly adapting and exploring new opportunities.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eConsider the changing ideas of success over the last 28 years and how the most successful individuals have achieved their goals.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eExplore the fascinating connections between technology and dog ownership, as well as the potential for collaboration between humans and animals.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eApply the principles of playing life like a game to create even more collaborations between humans and animals.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eClaim your internal realms to open up new territories of collaboration, using tools like the 'who finder' and vision capability to reach assets.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eReclaim your internal world and use it as a new territory to be explored and mined for the best resources and outcomes, without others having to know.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eTake inspiration from Shakespeare in creating your own projects and claiming your 'andia' to open up new opportunities and experiences.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eRemember the importance of taking action to achieve success, rather than just believing in it, and use that mindset to pursue your perfect life.\u003c/li\u003e\n\u003c/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003c/center\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eTRANSCRIPT\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003c/center\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nMr Sullivan. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAh, mr Jackson, Welcome to the Cloudlandia. Yes yes, But actually we\u0026#39;re movable folks, you and I. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWe really are. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd sometimes we operate focused on the mainland, that\u0026#39;s true, and then other times we are involved in and focused on called landia, that\u0026#39;s true. But I\u0026#39;ve discovered a third zone, me too. Yes, it\u0026#39;s not binary, it\u0026#39;s try bin, try, try bear. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nTry banger. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIt\u0026#39;s try, try, nery. You know, try, nery, and what\u0026#39;s? yeah, because my feeling, feeling is that the that most folks are operating simultaneously, trying to integrate their mainland activities And, at the same time, taking advantage of Cloudlandia capabilities, that\u0026#39;s true, and they don\u0026#39;t have any space in between, which I call the, which, using coach language, i call the free zone. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOkay, i like this. I like where this is going, because it\u0026#39;s very familiar with the stock life and having. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIsn\u0026#39;t that strange. Isn\u0026#39;t that strange that we should be thinking along the same lines. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBut not really. No, my, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI\u0026#39;ve been and I mentioned to the couple of times ago this idea of discovering Deanlandia Thinking about my thinking and that I realized I spend a disproportionate amount of time in Cloudlandia. If you think about the, if you include, like consuming content and watching, you know, netflix, or watching all those things as Cloudlandia activity, right, like taking in digital form, consuming something else, seeking dopamine from external sources, that that I\u0026#39;m lumping under the whole you know Cloudlandia thing, screen sucking, as our friend Ned Hololow would call it, and what I\u0026#39;ve realized. I\u0026#39;ve made a conscious effort and shifted the balance over the last couple of weeks here on my. my mantra has been less screen time, more Dean time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I\u0026#39;ve been taking time to really think about my thinking And you know I\u0026#39;ve mentioned it to you Last time we spoke that you, you know, i was all stuck in my mind that when you mentioned, when you turned off, you know, tv and Netflix and all that stuff you, you made, you came to the realization that what\u0026#39;s going on in your mind is better than what\u0026#39;s coming out of the screen, right, basically? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat there\u0026#39;s a more fulfilling, enriching game going on inside your head than coming out of the screen right, and that was something that\u0026#39;s always stuck with me. But I really get it now kind of on a different level, having really dedicated the last couple of weeks to shifting that balance. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, dean, i\u0026#39;ll use your term, dean Landia has some advantages. One is that it\u0026#39;s a complete prezone, because no one else knows what\u0026#39;s going on? Nobody else knows what\u0026#39;s going on, And Dean said until he tells you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nLikewise for Dan Landia. I mean, that\u0026#39;s really the great thing, right, Everybody has their own. You\u0026#39;ve got Dan Landia And that\u0026#39;s the inner world that we. I mean it\u0026#39;s the dominant thing. When you really think about how much time and how much of our external experience is dependent on what we\u0026#39;re you know, what we\u0026#39;re doing in in Deanlandia or Danlandia, that\u0026#39;s shaping everything. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, and one of the things that\u0026#39;s really interesting about that, because you\u0026#39;re you\u0026#39;re the only one who has a unique ability of being Dean in Deanlandia. You know it\u0026#39;s pretty. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s a complete. We just auditioned and accepted another associate coach, and just last last, this past week in Chicago, and and and Ben Laws, who\u0026#39;s a member of the Free Zone. He came up about six, seven months ago and, and you know, usually more because they have to go through an audition. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd the way it works is, you know, there\u0026#39;s a conversation that develops with someone who indicates that they might be interested in being one of our associate coaches, so he makes number 16 that we have and and we don\u0026#39;t. You know, we don\u0026#39;t add them at a fast pace, you know, i think the last right maybe three or four years, because we really want to check out first of all. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know we do some due diligence and we talk to referrals that the person gets to us and I said you know and and you know, is this person someone who actually enjoys coaching? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eyou know, seems to be coach, like in their way of operating and you know so we check that out and then we check out you know how the family situation is, the home situation, because it\u0026#39;s gonna require, you know, more travel and it\u0026#39;s commitment. You know we we\u0026#39;re not looking for a one-year associate coach, where I mean, are you know the, the average length of the? if we add the previous the, you know the existing 16 coaches, on average they\u0026#39;ve got 16 years, 16, 17 years coaching you know and you know some of them are year 28 27 and so you know we wanted to. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know we want it to be timeless, we wanted you know, and and because the program is always developing so there\u0026#39;s always new things and they can. You know, with skill and with achievement they can jump from one level you know we just brought up five to the ten times level and, and it\u0026#39;s our biggest place yours yeah, yeah, and it\u0026#39;s our biggest multiplier in the coach. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWhen you think about it, you know, you know. I mean I coach right now. I coach maybe you know 15% of the clients. The other 85% are coached by the other coaches you know, and they\u0026#39;re, they\u0026#39;re all coaching. People have written checks to strategic coach right yeah and and the other thing is, i\u0026#39;ve never seen one of them coach you\u0026#39;ve never sat in on. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI remember you saying that you don\u0026#39;t sit in on the session or you\u0026#39;re not and you know I\u0026#39;ve actually never been. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI\u0026#39;ve never been you know I\u0026#39;ve never been in the room or on a zoom call when they\u0026#39;re, when they\u0026#39;re coaching, and so what happens? they get to the ultimate moment before you know, before it\u0026#39;s yes or no, and and that we have an audition panel of coach, coach clients, who have all trained in the role of being a difficult client, workshop client ah after observation many expert oh no, we\u0026#39;re. We\u0026#39;re completely familiar with the subject of difficult yeah that\u0026#39;s what. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI mean after observation yeah, workshop, and each of them sort of masters the role, and they have a series. Usually there are a series of questions or there are series of challenges, and the best way to get them difficult is to turn everybody into an extreme fact finder. I don\u0026#39;t, i don\u0026#39;t understand what you\u0026#39;re saying there. You know? could you, you know? could you give you know? can you, you know? can you explain that a little bit more? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI\u0026#39;m not quite getting that chip now and so anyway, and launch ratio, he passed with playing colors, you know, and he\u0026#39;s, he\u0026#39;s in, but he had auditioned three years ago and we\u0026#39;ve been turning down we just said, we don\u0026#39;t think you\u0026#39;re ready yet, okay, we just oh wow yeah, he was only three years, and he was only three years in the program, so right, you know he, you know, i mean he, he just had basic toilet training down, but he didn\u0026#39;t have it advanced right now we\u0026#39;re now. We\u0026#39;re looking for volume and velocity yeah, right, exactly and accuracy well, that\u0026#39;s exciting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI mean, that\u0026#39;s a good insight into you know how that that process works. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBut the thing and I want to bring it back to your comment of Dean Landia and because usually you know my role is to go in and say good luck, you know, and everything like- that but. I said that that\u0026#39;s stupid. We\u0026#39;re not looking for luck, right, right right. We\u0026#39;re looking for confidence and capability, you know. And so I went in and I said, ben, be yourself. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I had a huge impact on me afterwards, you know, when the verdict was in and there was a pizza and champagne celebration in the cafe. I went up to him and he said that had a huge impact on me and I said, yeah, but being yourself is is the first free zone, hmm. I like that thought that it\u0026#39;s true. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere\u0026#39;s no competition, no one who can possibly compete at being you yeah, yeah you know, and so, anyway, he and then we, he brought it up, i brought it up and we were in the free zone workshop the next day. This is Wednesday, the free zone was on Thursday. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eLive, you know, we had actual, live human beings in a physical room and it came up as a topic and it went on for about 45 minutes and you know, and people said, yeah, yeah, be yourself. You know, be yourself. You know Oscar Wilde, you know the sort of the outrageous English British, you know, writer, you know he was a novelist and wrote plays and commentator. Yeah, he had a line which I thought was halfway there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHe said be yourself, everyone\u0026#39;s taken that\u0026#39;s the make of yeah, but that seems like a kind of negative approach to it. My, you know my, my approach, and I\u0026#39;m coming back to the Dean Landia idea and the Dan Landia idea. I\u0026#39;m coming back and I\u0026#39;m saying be yourself, because the territory is entirely you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYou just have to take ownership yes, it\u0026#39;s pretty exciting when you start thinking like that, like when I love and then embracing, you know your I\u0026#39;m just thinking this morning in my journal about the, you know the uniqueness of our, both the internal things and the external advantages that we have. Like I was thinking about the element of a perfect life. That was a concept that I\u0026#39;ve been. You know, 25 years ago we did this exercise of. I know I\u0026#39;m being successful when, when I created this program with Thomas Leonard and you know the, i\u0026#39;ve been really thinking about these, the elements here of a perfect life, and you know it comes down to, i love, like bedrock things, things that are, you know, universal, contextual rocks that, if you look at, we\u0026#39;re all, all the elements that go into creating a perfect life. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOur time, where it\u0026#39;s, you know that\u0026#39;s we\u0026#39;re all born into, that it\u0026#39;s here, whether we before we were here, it\u0026#39;s gonna be here after, but it\u0026#39;s one element that we\u0026#39;re all working within the construct of the speed of reality 60 minutes we\u0026#39;re born and the game is already going you think about it as a? video game. Is we\u0026#39;re joining the game in process, right, it\u0026#39;s already been yeah going on. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThen the next level is what I encompass as me or you. You know you\u0026#39;ve got everything that is distinctly weird. It\u0026#39;s strip you naked, put you on a deserted island. That\u0026#39;s the everything that you have right now. Is you so that\u0026#39;s? and some of those things are factory settings that you can\u0026#39;t really change like your. You\u0026#39;re a male. Your IQ, your, your genetic health, your situation, you know all of those you\u0026#39;re, you know your brain power, you know, yeah, your brain power, and I think that there is an advantage you can\u0026#39;t deny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou say yourself life\u0026#39;s not fair. It\u0026#39;s not fair that some people are born with super high IQs, super physical strength, super genetic, you know health, makeup, and others are born with, you know, other with challenges, in that sometimes people are born with mental disabilities or physical disabilities or all of the things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut when you do an assessment, if you\u0026#39;re kind of pushing the reset button on the game and I love your idea of 25 year framework, so I 25 year terms yeah, that you end up with a you know every thing, if we\u0026#39;re joining the game in progress, if you\u0026#39;re kind of pushing the reset button now you just turned 79 years old, you had a reset in, you know 75 and you kind of make the, the rules up as you go, because that\u0026#39;s the great thing about it everything is made up, like you say, and the. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut if you do an assessment at any point, if we just kind of do an inventory of what are my you know me advantages that I have right now, if I were just to say, and I think that\u0026#39;s all of your, all of the knowledge, all of your physical situation right now, all of those things are what you\u0026#39;re left with. And then the next is the environment, which is all of the settings, all of the external things. Like an environment is where you are in the game. If you\u0026#39;re born into rural China, that\u0026#39;s a different environment than being born in North America or being born in Canada. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou\u0026#39;ve got a moving sidewalk advantage that you\u0026#39;re in the mix. You\u0026#39;ve got geography on your side, you\u0026#39;ve got the economy. So all of that stuff is an environmental thing that you can change. This is part of the thing is that anytime we could up and move to rural China if you wanted to or change your environment that\u0026#39;s where you are thinking comes in with the immigrant thinking. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou\u0026#39;re thinking where you\u0026#39;re leaving everything behind, and that\u0026#39;s kind of this thought is where would be the best environment for what you want for this next 25 years? if you\u0026#39;re going to set up the plan there, then the next is people. that there\u0026#39;s all the people that are involved and that\u0026#39;s distinct from your environment, and who you choose to collaborate with. cooperate with, you know, co-habitate with. Some of them are your family, that you\u0026#39;re assigned when you come into the game. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBut then there are other Already pre-assigned. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nActually, that\u0026#39;s exactly right, pre-assigned, that\u0026#39;s exactly right. And then money is the final element, and I think that the thing becomes taking your imagine. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eMy visual metaphor for it is this continuous runway game like Guitar Hero or something, where it\u0026#39;s just constantly coming at you at the speed of 60 minutes per hour and you get to move the joystick into whatever environment where you\u0026#39;re going to allocate that time and in what environment, with what people, and those environments are either contributing to money or taking away from you or using money to participate in that part of the environment, or you\u0026#39;re in an environment that\u0026#39;s making money, and so those five elements of the game are a really fun thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd what you just said is true for everyone. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYes, that\u0026#39;s exact, and that\u0026#39;s why the framework. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThe truth. the whole thing is how you play the game. And let\u0026#39;s take poker, for example. The best poker players aren\u0026#39;t the ones who get an unusual run of good cards. Right, I mean, over the course of, let\u0026#39;s say, 50 games, they didn\u0026#39;t get any better cards than anybody else did. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nNo, you\u0026#39;re absolutely right. It\u0026#39;s so funny. That\u0026#39;s really the And those are situations. That\u0026#39;s a perfect example that this really is. You\u0026#39;re playing it like a game and I wanted to, and that was made the distinction of A perfect life, not D perfect life, because A perfect life acknowledges that there are 8 billion versions of it. Everybody is in possession of one life, that they get to play the game and pursue a perfect for them life. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s a fun game. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, someone one of the FreeZone participants on Thursday just casually was talking, then dropped the line. perfect, i said whoa, whoa whoa, whoa, whoa, perfect, perfect, So right, okay, so I\u0026#39;m going to give you an easy approach to perfection, okay, and this is what I\u0026#39;ve done. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eJust declare yourself perfect. Yeah, just say I\u0026#39;m perfect. Now, how am I going to expand that over the next 90 days? Right, yeah. And it takes them right back to unique ability, because that\u0026#39;s the only dynamic capability that we have is that we have a unique ability that nobody has, which is a more. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWhich is a more coach, which is a more coachified way of talking about. You have a unique ability. That\u0026#39;s where the perfection is, but you haven\u0026#39;t fully explored all the different ways that you can be more conscious of that, and you haven\u0026#39;t explored all the ways in which it can move into greater capabilities and impact in the world. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, and I guess, that\u0026#39;s a guess. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSo that\u0026#39;s what Dean Landy is. Dean has a unique ability, unique to him, and I think I passed on to you a comment that says a psychologist is doing a study on the ultimate paper on outliers And he was very, very keenly interested in talking to me, because the words gone around about strategic coach and the whole philosophy of strategic coach is based, and the practice of strategic coach is based on a concept called unique ability. And the question to me was what do unique people have in common? And I said, well, nothing, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWhat do unique people have in common? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nNothing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s the absolute truth, isn\u0026#39;t it? Yeah? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI mean I said I\u0026#39;ve looked the term up in the dictionary and it\u0026#39;s a thing unto itself and there\u0026#39;s no similarity to it with anything else. I mean unique either means what it means or it doesn\u0026#39;t mean anything. But you can\u0026#39;t have a unique ability cult. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI think you\u0026#39;re right. The interesting thing is, there\u0026#39;s always this room for improvement. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere\u0026#39;s always room for progress And I think that if I think about perfection as something being perfect, as an asymptotic curve that continues to prove I never levels out, is I like some of these definitions, like I\u0026#39;m a big entomologist too similar to you in looking at? I look at the definitions of things right, and I think that what\u0026#39;s perfect is, as an adjective, having all the required or desirable elements, qualities or characteristics, as good as it is possible to be. My favorite one is highly suitable for someone or something Exactly right. There\u0026#39;s always this thing that we always have just like a horizon, we always have an opportunity to move forward, and I think that that, but it\u0026#39;s nice to be able to think that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, well, i think, the wildcard. There\u0026#39;s a couple of wildcard factors here. One wildcard factor is that we live in the realm of time. Okay, Yeah. And time\u0026#39;s always moving on? Yeah, and as it moves on, things change You know, Yeah, at least they change in terms of our awareness. you know that we\u0026#39;re aware of. Gee, that\u0026#39;s something new, you know and everything. And the thing is that there\u0026#39;s a high premium here on adaptability, of saying, well, this is the perfect approach here, but you know, next week it might not be. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd being. This is where being alert, curious, all of those things are. Yeah, i was looking back at the last 25 years and I was actually thinking like I\u0026#39;d like round things. I\u0026#39;m moving to where, you know, i\u0026#39;m three years away from being 60, and that will be a 25-year. You know, from 2000 was when I kind of started that 25-year vision, you know, and I would tell it now that I\u0026#39;ve got three years to get to 60, and then 25 years from there will take me to 85, right, and But I look at what\u0026#39;s happened. You know that\u0026#39;s 28 years right now, kind of looking forward there, and I think of them as academic years. So you know, 28 seasons kind of thing or whatever. I think about them starting in September. But the I think I was really thinking this morning, think about all the things that have changed in that 28 years from 1996 to, you know, to now, and the richest people in the world right now none of them were even doing what they\u0026#39;re doing to get to that point 28 years ago. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, and that wouldn\u0026#39;t, there was no. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThere was no Google, there was no Facebook there was no YouTube. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBut even if you take Berkshire Hathaway, which is outside of its technological realm, i mean Warren Buffett will tell you that all of his money, you know he\u0026#39;s in his, approaching his mid-90s now and all of his money\u0026#39;s really been made, you know, recently. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, and isn\u0026#39;t that? I mean you think about that Warren Buffett was? He was the richest guy in the world or among them. Then, you know, 28 years ago, that\u0026#39;s just So, it was Bill Gates, and you know, you think about some of those, the OG ones, but you think about how much, like the internet was just a baby in the United States And brand new. Yeah, You know, you see that My favorite is seeing that. You know Brian Gumbel and Katie Couric clip of them discussing what is the internet. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYou know, yeah well, and what\u0026#39;s this thing dot com? you know? right, exactly. Yeah, what\u0026#39;s a, what\u0026#39;s hello, What Yeah well, i mean, do you have a clue? and these are, you know, these are people in the middle of the news media, you know. I mean yeah and yeah I mean and, and you know they\u0026#39;re at and they\u0026#39;re in New York City. You know they\u0026#39;re right in the Center of one of the world\u0026#39;s great plugged in cities. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, and they\u0026#39;re wondering there was. So, you know, i mean, it\u0026#39;s really interesting. Just a little point about that. I had just been, you know, you know, doing podcasts with Mike Kenix and Peter Diamadas and Both of them said they made a statement similar to Everybody now is paying attention to AI. Okay, yeah, that\u0026#39;s the first part. The second part was I was in London for a whole week and I had a whole event all day with, you know, 100 strategic coach clients, and The only reason anybody was talking about the AI was that Evan Ryan happened to be in UK at that time and I invited to come for the day and I had him come in and And everybody wanted to know what this was. You know, and, and I was reading the. You know London is very rich with newspapers and, yeah, i, you know I was reading the tele every day, the telegraph and. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNobody, nobody was talking about AI. And I, you know, and I said, and I said this is London, another globally plugged in city. You know, you know. I mean you know on a par with New York. And I said, you know, i bet, if I, if, if I go to Africa and visit all the capital cities of Africa, i bet they\u0026#39;re not talking about AI, you know right and yeah, yeah. So you know, I mean we\u0026#39;re very, very biased towards what, what we\u0026#39;re involved in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe\u0026#39;re very, very biased towards what we\u0026#39;re excited about you know, and everything like that, but that\u0026#39;s Not being in your own India, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI mean, i find your own private India Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, have you taken ownership of your India yet? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, you know you gotta, you gotta register it. There\u0026#39;s like the land rush, you know you got. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYour grandfather, did you? nobody\u0026#39;s Just got a claim. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI think I think you\u0026#39;re hitting on something very, very fundamental Which I\u0026#39;m suspecting is very Recent in human history. Okay, and by recent I don\u0026#39;t mean, you know, the last 10 years, i mean the last 400 years, and the reason I say 400 Is because I was watching a YouTube video. There\u0026#39;s a author who\u0026#39;s dead now I think he died last year, in his 90s by the name of Harold Bloom, a professor at Yale, and His specialty was Shakespeare. I mean, he was considered the Foremost expert and commentator on Shakespeare in history. No one, no one, has written about, spoken about Shakespeare more. And Shakespeare, for Harold boom, shakespeare is the. He has a book, is a huge book. You know, it\u0026#39;s a big, thick book and It\u0026#39;s called Shakespeare, the invention, the invention of human. And He, you know he makes his case. He\u0026#39;s, you know he\u0026#39;s got all sorts of convincing arguments and everything like that. But he said Shakespeare was the first writer of any kind, the first dramatist of any kind Who, on stage and of course in the writing, but on stage has characters talking to themselves. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd He said it\u0026#39;s the first one. Yeah, we\u0026#39;ve never seen. He said I\u0026#39;ve. You know, i\u0026#39;ve explored all the stories and all the you know The religions and everything, and he\u0026#39;s the first. He\u0026#39;s the first character, but it\u0026#39;s not just one character. He created about 25 different characters who do this and And they talk to themselves, they have conversations with themselves, and he said there\u0026#39;s a crossover and That the modern world really exists when people started talking to themselves in the ancient world before they did. Because now you\u0026#39;re thinking about your thinking and You\u0026#39;re now reflecting on it and sharing it with the audience. Who the character doesn\u0026#39;t know is there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know he thinks he\u0026#39;s alone, but there\u0026#39;s, yeah you know, there\u0026#39;s a thousand people watching this take place, but he says it\u0026#39;s also the birth of personality and he says you Prior, prior to Shakespeare. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou don\u0026#39;t get these really incredible personalities, you know, like Macbeth, hamlet and Yeah yeah, you know, shia I like, and Iago and all these amazing, and they\u0026#39;re complete universes in themselves. I mean, there, there, they\u0026#39;re not. They\u0026#39;re not even in service of the pot. They just have this complete, almost endless depth to them. And And I Was pod raid that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd Freud, the you know, the famous psychiatrist rain around the 1900 was asked Who he thought was the greatest expert on human psychology, thinking that he would talk about someone in his field or someone he you know, and that he was going to be humble and Give credit to some other person. and he said well, you know, every time I think I\u0026#39;m on a completely new insight And it\u0026#39;s like walking down a new road. About halfway down the road I see somebody walking back the other way and and And it\u0026#39;s Shakespeare, and Shakespeare. Shakespeare says I thought it was promising, but not really. You know, i mean, take it for me. And I found that a very striking comment on Freud\u0026#39;s perch. You know, i mean he was, he was, i mean he was totally into himself, i mean he was a character himself and he was a personality. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut if you put bloom and Freud together, what he\u0026#39;s saying is that this is very, very recent And it actually has to beginning with one thinker, and you know it has that has to begin in. So I think we\u0026#39;re living in that That world and what you and I are doing today, we\u0026#39;re saying, yeah, we didn\u0026#39;t come up with the notion that there\u0026#39;s a mainland and a cloud land via. You know, we, we simply put names to something that people were already dealing with. Yeah, but it\u0026#39;s like it\u0026#39;s binary, you know, it\u0026#39;s like when you, when you, you know, reach the border for this border of the mainland, then you\u0026#39;re in cloudlandia. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBut what you\u0026#39;re. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWhat you\u0026#39;re suggesting is Well. That may be true for most people, But in fact it\u0026#39;s possible to create a third zone that lies between Mainland the mainland and cloudlandia. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s the truth. I look at them as the layers there. You\u0026#39;re absolutely right. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s the one that. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s the thing that puts it all together. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, It\u0026#39;s interesting, this thing of technology and the book, the quarterly book I\u0026#39;m writing. This is quarter 35, so this is book 35. And it\u0026#39;s called Training Technology Like a Good Dog. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOkay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd it\u0026#39;s really getting interesting and I\u0026#39;m doing some reading on the topic of. has anyone else made this connection between technology and dogs? And a really nice piece, an academic piece, pretty recent, it just sort of came out And it makes the claim that dogs are in fact humanity\u0026#39;s first technology. And this is the thinking this is the thinking that it\u0026#39;s the first time humans have taken another species. You know, have taken wolves and done a deal with them, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBasically, but there was no such thing as a dog until there was a collaboration between some canny wolf and some you know response of human being And together they created a new creature on the planet called dog you know, And so so when you look at, you know all the various shapes and sizes of, you know of dogs. I live in the beaches area of Toronto and there\u0026#39;s a boardwalk about a two minutes away from our front door. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I go down and walk and boy, they sure come in a lot of different varieties but it\u0026#39;s all a creative, but it\u0026#39;s all a created species and did not pre exist before humans and another species did a collaboration And I says therefore how have we done with the technology called dogs? And we\u0026#39;ve done, we\u0026#39;ve been very creative. You know, we\u0026#39;ve been very creative. You know I mean it\u0026#39;s, it\u0026#39;s hard to you. Don\u0026#39;t see them often, but sometimes you see a chihuahua down there. You know which are, you can hold in your hand. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I ran into one I had never seen two weeks ago, called a Leon burger. Okay, never heard of it And it\u0026#39;s a German dog. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIt\u0026#39;s a St. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBernardish As a matter of fact, I think it\u0026#39;s a it\u0026#39;s bred from. it\u0026#39;s a combination of putting the St Bernard and several other mountain work dogs together called. Leon burger, and it\u0026#39;s arguably the biggest, the biggest of the breeds, and they weigh in at about a hundred and forty, five hundred and fifty pounds. They\u0026#39;re a big, big dog and very, very tranquil, you know very tranquil, very, you know, very easy to get along with. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I said well, somebody you know, some back there, series of people says let\u0026#39;s get a really, really little dog. You know one you can hold in your hand And you know. And and somebody else said you know what we do, we need a bigger dog. We need a bigger dog. But you have to realize, is you\u0026#39;re, you\u0026#39;re dealing with a technology that was actually created by human beings in the first place. That\u0026#39;s amazing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIt was made. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nthey\u0026#39;re made up, Dogs are made up. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, i think you say. then what would be the next collaboration? that paved the way for us to collaborate with donkey and oxen. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, Pigs cows, you know yeah yeah, but my feeling is the knowledge of developing dogs then led to you know, led to you know all sorts of you know domestication of animals, just spread very quickly after they cracked the code, after they cracked the code on dogs. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThink about that All the yeah, the golden age of carrier pigeons and falconry, and yeah, parrot, we opened up a whole new yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, a whole new world. Yeah, yeah, i think you\u0026#39;re on the front. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThere\u0026#39;s a, there\u0026#39;s a, there\u0026#39;s a parallel weapon. Well, this is the only topic that Peter Diamandis has ever asked me to share at A360. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI wasn\u0026#39;t asked to come on stage, i just did a little 10 minute riff. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBut I said, you know, i had 10 minute riff there And that was, you know, six, seven years ago And but it\u0026#39;s, it\u0026#39;s been one of those. It\u0026#39;s been like a piece of food that gets caught in your teeth. You know, my tongue\u0026#39;s been working away for the last five or six years And I\u0026#39;ve been saying, you know, i think there was something in that little riff I did there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat will be useful now when we talk about the technologies that we have right now, and what I\u0026#39;ve established in the book is that you don\u0026#39;t get a good dog unless you establish completely and take responsibility that you\u0026#39;re the owner. Okay, and my sense is the same thing with any technology, but especially the ones that were are you know are the hot numbers in Cloudlandia. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI love it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI mean this is such great. I can\u0026#39;t wait for that one to come out. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, and you know the book. The book surprises you, i mean, as you go along. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd. but the central thing is, i mean it\u0026#39;s it\u0026#39;s a bit of a diversion, because I\u0026#39;m talking about dogs and I\u0026#39;m really talking about you know, and I\u0026#39;m talking about technology, but it\u0026#39;s actually a diversion. What I\u0026#39;m trying to emphasis is what does ownership mean? Are you a human being who\u0026#39;s actually taken ownership of yourself, because it makes a lot easier than to be the owner of a dog and the owner of technology? if you\u0026#39;ve actually taken ownership of yourself And I think that Dean Lambea is a statement I\u0026#39;ve taken ownership of this territory. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI think that\u0026#39;s right And all that that entails And that\u0026#39;s the part of the best thing. If you did inherit a land or took ownership of it, part of the great joy is exploring the territory. That\u0026#39;s really what Well, i\u0026#39;m putting yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd the other thing is putting your mark on it you know, Yeah. I think, that\u0026#39;s amazing, Yeah, And the land rush. You know they had the homesteading act. It\u0026#39;s an act of Congress. And then the various states would have land rushes, They would be territories and they had goal to be a state. Oklahoma is the very famous, you know the very famous example. And so it didn\u0026#39;t have Oklahoma, the Oklahoma territory, which was borrowed from the Native Indians who were there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut they were Yeah, but they were very deficient on property lines, they were. They were very deficient on surveys, you know, and they said it was their land, but there was. They didn\u0026#39;t register it, you know they didn\u0026#39;t you know they didn\u0026#39;t go to the, you know to the Native Territory Registry Office and register it And so got a certain date. You know the financial interests and the political interests in Oklahoma set that up And you have to get in agreement with the federal government that you\u0026#39;re doing this. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know it\u0026#39;s a teamwork thing but on a particular day you could line up at one border of Oklahoma. You couldn\u0026#39;t do it from all four borders. You could do it And there was a gunshot or a cannon was off, and then you would go to claim a hundred, a hundred, i think it was a hundred acres hundred acres And you know, and you had to survey it in, you had to put the survey lines in and you had to put stakes, stakes along the way, and you, they had surveyors who were helpers and they would, you know, give the, you know from their understanding, the, you know the specific latitude and longitude. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then they had a registry office and these were movable registry offices because it was dynamic action for like a six month period And by the end of six months all the land was registered, all the land in the state was registered, and then you know, and then they invited people to move in to the potential new state of Oklahoma and once they got a population that was equal to the state of Rhode Island, they could petition for statehood, and that\u0026#39;s how the state got created. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIsn\u0026#39;t that interesting? I there was a great movie. There was a great movie called Far and Away and it was Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman and it told the story of them coming from Ireland to Oklahoma, to America, where they\u0026#39;re giving away land. They saw flyers in the, you know, in England or in Ireland and decided that they would make the track over and start a new life in America. Yeah, it was a very fascinating thing And it\u0026#39;s interesting how the Oklahoma Sooners the Sooners got their name because some of them, as you said, before the gun went off, they went in. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSooner and already, already. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, they yeah, that\u0026#39;s why. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s why the The name has stuck, you know and I\u0026#39;ll go home, Yeah and because they were Too soon. they were too soon, Yeah that\u0026#39;s right, Yeah that\u0026#39;s they had already. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey were already there and then they hit, but and then, if anybody else came, they Suddenly emerged and said no, no, we\u0026#39;ve staked up this territory, we\u0026#39;ve already done it, you know, and and Everything else you know, like Italy, i was on a bus in Italy and it was on the Amalfi coast, which is a spectacular, you know, spectacularly beautiful part. But we weren\u0026#39;t on the coast, we were in a town and I was sitting the closest a passenger could be to the bus driver, so he was on Left, because they, they, they, they drive on the same way we do in the states, you know, on the same side of the road. And we came in a village where we came down, and then there was a perpendicular road, road we around didn\u0026#39;t go through. You had to turn, and, and these client and the sign at the end clearly said Turn right the arrow was pointing right and the bus driver turned left and I said I think that\u0026#39;s one way. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe other way isn\u0026#39;t? he says, mere suggestion. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI\u0026#39;m mere suggestion. That\u0026#39;s funny. \u003cbr\u003e\nI love it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI love it and that that explains that. That explains Italians approach to all laws merely Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI thought, by the way, your Go ahead, you\u0026#39;re about to talk about you\u0026#39;re. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYou\u0026#39;re about to talk about me, so I want to hear it fully, of course. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI saw your working genius. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOh yeah through before. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;d be a good No surprise, but no is identical. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYes, we have identical working geniuses. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIt\u0026#39;s funny, yeah, but Useful. I mean, i\u0026#39;ve got a. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e0:54:16 - \u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI found it very useful and we\u0026#39;re going to give it to all the free zoners You know we\u0026#39;re going to give it you know like we do. We did that with the print, which I find useful in its own way and you know. So you know Strength finder. I find that useful. Cold be very useful. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd you know so. I mean they\u0026#39;re like interesting. It would be, or be fascinating For, if everybody in free zone did the working genius and they got a way to combine, to show Like we could show the free zone environment with everybody\u0026#39;s strength lit up. As You know, if you need Some particular working genius, these are all the free zone people that are. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, it\u0026#39;s really interesting because we just created a tool. Our tech team did the Website on the coach website that\u0026#39;s called the who finder, and I like you and you go in and just list who you are. In terms of the kind of kinds of projects you like to work on and where your best abilities are And what your best solutions are and you just listed and anybody else can look at that and contact you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI like that. I\u0026#39;m just good thinking. Something similar among Looking at the, the VCR assets as well vision capability and reach Assets to be able to be where people have Access, capacity or have need. Yeah, as a framework for collaboration, oh yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSo I mean you could, you could just take the who finder and just expand it to include those categories with credit, with credit given to the originator. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBut I think those that would really open up a lot of collaboration. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, there\u0026#39;s one. I don\u0026#39;t know if you\u0026#39;ve met him because he\u0026#39;s a Year into free zone. His name is Chad Jenkins. Have you met Chad Jenkins? I have met Chad. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, i met Chad and he was in Palm Beach, right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, yeah, and he\u0026#39;s a multi-company man and in North Carolina. But he in one year has stripped out all of his Activities except collaborating with other people, mainly in free zone, mainly in free zone And then adding their capabilities to the companies that he owns. I like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, yeah, yeah. Well, let\u0026#39;s come up. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nLet\u0026#39;s just sum up a little bit, three things that emerged and you\u0026#39;re thinking, since we started at the Top of the previous hour, what let\u0026#39;s come through? that Takes what you were already working on further Well. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI like this idea of You know, claiming your and via. I think It\u0026#39;s a really interesting concept, but if you take it like a, a new territory to be explored and mined for all the best resources and outcomes, and I Think there\u0026#39;s, i think there\u0026#39;s really something to that of thinking of it as Property, you know well, I think the the interesting thing about it It isn\u0026#39;t that other people have to know That have to know because they can\u0026#39;t They can\u0026#39;t right the whole point is do you claim it for yourself? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, I Think that\u0026#39;s amazing, like I think there\u0026#39;s so much of our. That\u0026#39;s really where we spend the most time, you know. I mean, it\u0026#39;s there, the It\u0026#39;s what shapes everything. You know so much of our life experience is our internal, whether we recognize it as that or not, but where our attention goes well, and I think the other thing that is very crucial about this, and And we didn\u0026#39;t really get into that, but since That, i\u0026#39;ll just use my own example. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nFor a long time in my life I didn\u0026#39;t claim my India. I didn\u0026#39;t and, but I beat myself up For being there rather than being either in the mainland or in clockland. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThe meantime I was in Dan Dan landia. I thought it was a waste of time that I you know why are you doing this? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI mean, this is wasted time, this is wasted effort you know why you, why What teachers and authorities kind of beat it out of you. He\u0026#39;s always yeah, he\u0026#39;s always got his head in the cloud. He\u0026#39;s always down. Often, if he\u0026#39;s often his own world. It\u0026#39;s always beaten out of us as a negative thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell yeah, or or we tell other, we give other people permission to beat us up Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell it\u0026#39;s true, right, yeah, i mean. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI mean it\u0026#39;s interesting, I think that It\u0026#39;s. It\u0026#39;s a new world that we\u0026#39;re in, but my, my sense is that it really starts, and I\u0026#39;m I feel good about description. You know that Professor Bloom gives that this really really started with Shakespeare. Shakespeare is the first human being to Open the door That this is available to you know, he\u0026#39;s, he\u0026#39;s available to you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWhat\u0026#39;s really, really interesting, he comes across as a very tortured soul. So I think he only went halfway with this idea. And that is he says we, we need to worship Shakespeare by this. And I said, no, you got to use Shakespeare as a working example and then, in your own realm, do What he suggested you can do and I get the sense that that he didn\u0026#39;t do that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHe didn\u0026#39;t do that. You know he, you know he turned it, you know he talks about it in almost like religious terms and I said, right, yeah, it\u0026#39;s like. It\u0026#39;s kind of like you have a retrieval dog and You shoot and you kill the duck. You know the duck fall and then you then you point to the pointer. You know you point to that, and instead of going and getting the duck, he looks your finger. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOh, right Oh. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nMighty one, Oh mighty one. I love it when you point you know yeah no, no, there\u0026#39;s. There\u0026#39;s a project here, You know. Go do what, go do what you\u0026#39;re supposed to be doing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, and I get it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, i got it feeling with I got a gold mine out of this and Yeah, claiming your andia that\u0026#39;s the exactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI got a gold mine out of this, and I got a gold mine out of this, and I did, yeah, claiming your andia. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s the exactly right. That\u0026#39;s just the t-shirt that we\u0026#39;re going to, that\u0026#39;s right. I mean coffee cops bumper sticker soon. I mean there\u0026#39;s the universe Emerging anyway, Same same time next week. Absolutely, i wouldn\u0026#39;t miss it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAlrighty, thanks, dan, okay. Okay, okay, dean. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In today’s episode of Welcome to Cloundlandia,  we explore the concept of existing in multiple zones simultaneously, moving beyond the binary and discovering a third space - the Free Zone.\r\n","date_published":"2023-06-19T13:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/dad18c03-cf3c-4998-a0ee-3b5d5a074ae5.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":38112347,"duration_in_seconds":3173}]},{"id":"aeb27ada-0417-45c7-b104-9c11620f5ea5","title":"Ep098:The Intersection of Da Vinci's Genius and the Digital Age","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/098","content_text":"In today’s episode of Welcome to Cloundlandia, we discuss the intersection points of Da Vinci's genius and the current digital age as we explore the origins of technology and its impact on society.\n\n\u0026amp;nbsp\n\nSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\n\n Have you heard of psychological geometry? It's a way to understand the rules that govern our psychological world, like everything is made up, no one is in charge, and life isn't always fair.\n By understanding these rules, we can stay calm and cool and seize opportunities to lead in our niche or community. It's all about finding ways to thrive amid chaos.\n Richard Rossi's Da Vinci Experience sounds pretty cool - it featured presentations by Dave Asprey and a pediatrician expert in age reversal through supplements. Talk about a unique event.\n The Kaufman Protocol is all about age reversal, and Richard creates action plans for attendees of the Da Vinci Experience. It's all about finding ways to live our best lives, regardless of age.\n Ed Shulack is an architect turned CEO who built a network of companies inspired by Leonardo DaVinci's genius and ability to cross borders. It just goes to show that inspiration can come from anywhere.\n Technology has been shaping the world for centuries, from the invention of fire to the latest advances in AI and machine learning. It's amazing to think about how far we've come!\n From the microchip to the iPhone, technological advances from 1950 to 1985 have profoundly impacted society. It's fascinating to think about how much has changed in just a few decades.\n There's a lot of debate about where technology will take us in the future - will it lead to a utopian singularity or something else entirely? Only time will tell.\n Dan has some exciting plans, including setting up a genius profile and exploring training technology like a good dog. It's always great to have new goals to work towards.\n  Embracing technology and AI as teammates can be a game-changer for productivity, creativity, and success - whether you're an individual or a business. It's all about finding ways to work smarter, not harder.\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n\n\n\nTRANSCRIPT\n\nDean Jackson\nMr Sullivan. \n\nDan Sullivan\nFive Star General Jackson, oh my goodness, here we are. \n\nDan Sullivan\nEvery week that goes by that I don't talk to you, I add another star. \n\nDean Jackson\nOkay, the Five Star General, I like it. Well, how was your adventures? You've been everywhere, haven't you? You went to Phoenix, you went to Austin, you've been, yeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWell, we were in Sedona the week after, joe. And you know it's a beautiful, beautiful place. And then we were in Austin and we had a chance to go visit Tucker Max, who you know he sold Scribe probably a year and a half ago, and then he bought himself a 50, 58 acre ranch, and so, and he's a rancher, he's a rancher, and he looks like a rancher. He's the home parent, and Veronica is expanding his national network of nurse practitioners all across the United States because it's a big item. They got him right now. \n\nAnd then we went to Richard Rossi's Da Vinci 50. Which was terrific. I mean, it was really, really terrific. Dave Asprey was there And had a good catch up with Dave, Yeah, and then came back here and you know, and I had a busy week. We had a holiday Monday because it was Victoria. Day here and here in the colonial realm of Canada. The Canadian colony. \n\nAnd anyway, and so then back to work and it felt good. It felt good I had two free zones, connectors and I had a 10 times connector and we started book 35. The next book just coming back from the printer this week is I think I've talked to you about the geometry for staying calm and cool, geometry and quotation marks, because this isn't about spatial geometry, this is about psychological psychological geometry Right Yeah, psychological geometry. \n\nDean Jackson\nThere's three rules. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThree rules controls psychological world. Everything's made up. That's the rule number one. Always has been is now well in the future. Number two is no base in charge. Okay. And number three life's not fair, Life's not fair. So the three. you put those three together and you get suddenly calm and cool And you begin to realize that everything's made up, so you can make up new things. Nobody's in charge. \n\nSo there's nobody's permission to ask whether you can make up new things, and anything you make up is going to be advantageous to somebody and unfair to someone else. So just forget about that and just make up new things that other people find useful, and you're clear and free. \n\nDean Jackson\nThis is the best. What do? \n\nDean Jackson\nWe've talked about those things, those concepts, and I just can't. I have to wrap people's. One of the great things that I always get people to think about is that self-appointment. You're getting people to appoint themselves to the position and you take something. I think if you're taking a, you're organizing a group of people. If you're aiming to be a hero to somebody, you've got a group of people that you're aiming to be a hero to, which is one of your great thoughts that I love. \n\nAnd I had a guy I did a breakthrough blueprint this week in Orlando And I had a gentleman who he he was very popular in a niche of electronic controls for, like, semen and honey well, and these things that control all these air qualities and systems for enterprise level things, big office buildings and hotels and all that stuff. So it's kind of a small audience but he's kind of like the most known guy in the field. He's the only one that's kind of organizing the community. And I said you know this will go all the way and just like, appoint yourself to be the mayor of control town and start acting like it. \n\nThere's nobody appointing anybody to the position of doing anything good, especially when you're like connecting people. You're connecting people in a good way. Everybody's very myopic, everybody's very only focused on what's in it for me, on their own sort of thing, and as soon as you start thinking about what can you do to help them or achieve what they're looking for, the whole world changes. Nobody, that's one of those. Life's not fair. It's not fair that well, wait a minute, you're not, you're just helping them get there. \n\nThat's not fair, you can't do that for free. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThere's a certain thing that's not fair Yeah, I had somebody on one of the connector calls last week say you know, I'm not perfect at what I'm doing, and I said, oh, you are. I said why don't you just solve that perfection problem? Just declare yourself perfect and now improve it? \n\nDean Jackson\nThere you go perfect. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThat's so funny, yeah, perfect. \n\nDean Jackson\nI liked the book title that you came up with for a future potential book from Genius Network. We were talking about AI and I believe the title you came up with was why AI doesn't matter, or something like that? \n\nDan Sullivan\nNo, I've actually nailed that It's not. AI I've actually I made it broader, i just made it technology period because AI. Oh okay, yeah, ai is just the 25th thing over the last 50 years, that's going to change? Yeah, this is it. Now everything changes and I said well, this is number 25, and there went the. AI. We didn't have the first 24. I mean, there is a genetic heritage here. Yeah, this goes way back, Anyway, by just technology. \n\nand so I came up in the only talk I ever gave Peter Diamonis's story about AI in 1960, was he. I mentioned that we already knew how to deal with technology a long time ago, because docs were actually our first technology. Way, way, way back. People mastered fire and then they figured out you should be near a river and they took. But the docs and this is before agriculture Dogs were domesticated before agriculture and dogs is actually a creation. There were no dogs, There were smart wolves and there were smart humans and they did a free zone collaboration and we came up with this thing. \n\nWe came up with, this thing called dog, and that's anywhere between 30,000 to 40,000, they're not, because it seems to have happened independently. One of them happened in Europe and they know, another one happened in Southeast Asia And they're genetically different. so they know that the it was a different source, the wolf, different wolf genes in the two dogs, but anyway. so anyway, i just titled the book Training Technology Like a Good Dog. \n\nDean Jackson\nOh, that's so good, there you go. So technology doesn't matter. \n\nTraining well, no, you have to be the alpha and you have to be the alpha. \n\nDan Sullivan\nIn both cases You don't get a good dog, unless you're the alpha, because the dog wants you to be the alpha. The dog Needs you to be the alpha because they're pack animals and they got to know what their, their rank and role is, you know? \n\nyeah and and technology. You have to establish that you're the alpha here and technology has to prove it's Worth. It has to prove its usefulness and and You know, and so. But, for example, you know just one. I know we're going to get into the AI Conversation here, but we just hired Evan Ryan to train our whole team. He's got a succession zoom Program that's called AI as your teammate. Okay, so Mm-hmm, which I thought was terrific. \n\nYeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, and so he's going to take everybody. But you just work on what you're already working at and he shows you that there's part of what you're working at that AI can be the teammate, Okay and yeah. So it's two hour sessions and we have six of them. And then you know and people don't have to do it, but they have to understand the consequences of that you know, and You know AI is not going to replace you. Somebody else who knows AI is going to replace you. \n\nThat's exactly right, yeah, yeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, so, so. Anyway, that's my report general. That's fun. \n\nDean Jackson\nI've had. So I had a couple of mainland meet-ups since we've been on on Hey the I had. Lear Weinstein was down in Orlando a couple weeks ago Oh okay, and so we got. We had brunch at the four seasons for about five hours, just, you know, meeting up and talking about all kinds. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, I think he's. \n\nDan Sullivan\nHe's. That's not far away. I think he's in Atlanta mostly. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, he's yeah, so they've been. They were down at Disney At the four seasons, here at Disney World. So I made my way from the four seasons Valhalla over to the four seasons Orlando And we had a wonderful. We had a wonderful brunch. I got to meet his wife I don't know if you've met. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, I met her. I met her at. She was at the. Annual genius genius network last year, so I met. \n\nOh, okay. \n\nDan Sullivan\nIt was either last year or the year before. I am not quite sure. I think it might have been the year before and Yeah and but Lee are super sorry, he's, he's a he's also a wonderful human being. Yes, really. \n\nDean Jackson\nSo that was like good, i've you know, we've known each other, we've had some connection on online, so this was first one I've ever really spent any meaning and I think he's starting a mastermind. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI think he's starting a mastermind group. \n\nHey, I mastermind group Yeah. Yeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, and then I Told Lee are yeah, you're bit. Number one obstacles in light is that you're good at everything you Put your mind to. Yeah. \n\nUh-huh. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, I said I don't have. I was saved that problem at birth. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, we had a good. We had a good talk about that exactly we did. He went through. We share the same profile in the Working genius. I don't know whether you've gone through that one. I think I've mentioned it to you. James Drage turned me on to it and I find it very Use this is a program. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThere's a program or a profile. \n\nDean Jackson\nIt's a profile similar to Colby, like that. \n\nDan Sullivan\nOh yeah but it doesn't. So you answer a whole bunch of. You answer a whole bunch of questions, right? \n\nDean Jackson\nYou answer questions just like Colby. It really takes 10 minutes to fit. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI'll do it. I'll. I really I'd love to see what you know I will do? I will do this and I will record the results. Okay, perfect. Yeah, it's working. Geniuscom or something like that. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's it. Yeah, i think that's where it is, but essentially it's. It's what your, what you're working genius is basically like what You, you play and it spells out. There's six elements that spell out the word widget, and each of them is a different genius. So W is wonder, and that means that you have a Genius for looking at something, seeing all the ways that it could be improved. Right then I is invention, where you have a genius for Making stuff up to, to create you solution to things. \n\nDan Sullivan\nEvery everything's made up and including a new program called working genius. That just got made up right. \n\nDean Jackson\nAnd then D is discernment, which meaning you have the genius of knowing what's the right thing to do in this situation. And G is Galvanizing me, gathering all the people and the resources that you need to be able to do something. E is Enablement, and that's about supporting the You know, the team or the property, or making sure everybody has what they need to be performing and doing their portion of the project. And then T is tenacity, and tenacity is Be like the equivalent, probably a follow through, the ability to Cross all the T's and dot all the eyes and drive something to completion, and Dd all of it in order to get any Project done. But two of them are your genius that you like thrive in those two, and two of them are Your worst, your kryptonite kind of thing. So for me, i am your. \n\nJust wow your wi I'm discernment, discernment any mention, or my top two, and double you as a third. Yeah. So that's funny, but that's it's like it makes sense that that's the, you know and it fits, before it really does fit, because when you take it I think you'll find it very interesting. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWell, you know it's kind of funny. I was just looking at dividing widget into two parts W-I-D and T-E-T. \n\nAnd who not? how That's? \n\nDean Jackson\nexactly right. \n\nIt's weird. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI'm with it, but somebody's got to get it. \n\nI'm with it, but somebody's got to get it. Oh, that's funny. \n\nDan Sullivan\nHere, boy, that's exactly what it is. Here's a new one boy Here, That is so funny. I'm going to be all over that. I'll have that done by the end of the day. I'll tell you. \n\nOkay, perfect. I'm flying to London tonight. \n\nDean Jackson\nI was just going to say. I hear you're flying to London. I fond memories of London. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, but Babs is down with some sort of you know coughing thing today. So she just decided to stay home and get mended, and we've gotten a lot of useful suggestions from David Hasse, who's our number one medical number one medical. He's got to get some help actually help And so she's going to explore these these weeks, but she doesn't want the travel. really, you don't want to get something that tires you out. \n\nSpeaker 1\nRight. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYou know when you're you got to stay put and let your body do the healing, and so she just. so, instead of it being 10 days, i'm just going to go tonight and I'll be back on Friday And I don't have I don't market in live sessions anymore. That's all done on. \n\nthat's all done on Zoom which is just such a great thing, And and so I, thursday in London we have the we're at the Berkeley Berkeley hotel which is out there, and you know, in May, pier Kensington, that area yeah, in that in that area. \n\nSo, I have all the non 10 times in free zone in the morning and the 10 times in free zone people can be there, But in the afternoon I just have. UK, not UK clients, but people who would go to London for their, you know, for workshops, workshops right, yeah. And they're either on the virtual 10 times or they're going to London or and a lot of them come to the United. \n\nThey come to Canada and the United States and the free zone, of course they come to, that's Gary and, and Guy and Gary are the first to the and Peter Buckle. Peter Buckle is a free zone. And then we had Helen, who is from Newcastle, but her both her parents died and she's at all landed on her. \n\nDean Jackson\nSo taking a year up. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, so anyway, we're yeah. So anyway it'll be a quick trip and then I get back, and you know we've only gotten back until the following Tuesday, so picked up some days, you know. \n\nMm, hmm. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, well, that's the dressing. So what was the highlights of your Da Vinci experience? \n\nDan Sullivan\nRich, I tell you, Richard has created a gem. I actually created a gem, And so this is my second one, and it's essentially two and a half days. You start on Wednesday at lunch and then you go and, and so we had three or four really, really great presentations, including Dave Asprey, the marvelous presentation But one of them was this woman. She's great around you, She's I think she's in you know, she might be in Boca Raton or something like that and she's really the the leading expert on using supplements to reverse your age. \n\nThese are supplements and she's got a thing called the Kaufman protocol. That's the name of the book. I think that's the name of her book, but I think she was a pediatrician. She just got fascinated in this age reversal thing and she's a terrific presenter. And what the neat thing about Richard is that she was there on the Wednesday afternoon, she spoke again on the Thursday and she spoke again on Friday. \n\nSo he can take a present. \n\nDan Sullivan\nSo, and what? the last one is action to take. You know action to take, So he sets it up, So it's free, but you get an overview and then you talk about where the breakthroughs are, and then you have an action plan. So he's, it's beautifully curated. I mean, Richard, Richard, superb at this and he's, he's he's the most laid back. \n\nYou know, friend of the front of the room I mean he's and he's got that, you know, devilish sense of humor, and I mean he's got very, you know, he's sort of pick, he's self self humorous, he tells jokes about himself And and so. And then we had an amazing person and this one wasn't recorded because there was a lot of inside organizational knowledge on it, and but it's a guy named Ed Shulack and he's a marvelous person And he was an architect and then he got an idea and this is just kind of shows you where his mind was. He was an architect and, you know, successful, but then he I think Trump was the big thing, but Trump started, and I think it started before Trump, but Trump really went gun hoe with it. No, no, it was way before Trump, because he started this in the 80s, you know 70s and 80s And what it was is the United States established a thing called tax free trade zones. \n\nOkay, and there's I think there's about 20, 25 of them in the US now, here in 2023. And what it is? they're a tax free trade zone, so it's places where companies from outside of the United States could come and present their you know their goods here And they have factories there, so they can. \n\nYou know, business can. Things can actually be created in business. But what Ed got the notion of? in the last 70s is that virtually all the airports, the major take. Orlando, for example, take. Miami for example, that almost all the big airlines airports in the US airfields were had a lot of farmland around them still. And so he went up, bought up, he bought up all the farmland, Okay around any broad. \n\nOkay, oh yeah, and so he, and so he essentially owned the land that the trade zones were on, and, and essentially, and then when he was 55, he sold out for a humongous amount. And then he, he lives in Detroit and terrific, just, and very, very quiet, very, very quiet, very like isn't it wonderful that I get to do this, but what? \n\nhe did is that he was starting to get into the Regenerative Medicine. You know that was starting to develop and he met Peter Diamandis and he said you know, i'm just going to see who the dozens and top people are in this field. I'm going to have an invitation. I'm really good at organization or anything. So I'll give you three, three months of my time if you'll just inform me of everything that you're doing. Okay. And and he did. You know with what's his name? the guy who did the first gene map, craig. \n\nVenture. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, craig Venture, he was the first one Yeah. So, anyway, he's got great CEO capabilities. This Ed Sheeran like does. So what he did was he started seeing where all the startups were along this way and he'd fund startups, and then he would buy startups and put together funds that bought him up, and then he started creating these networks And his inspiration was Leonardo DaVinci, because Leonardo crossed over borders. \n\nSpeaker 1\nIt was a big thing, you know he did. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYou know, in the morning he'd paint the you know the Mona Lisa. In the afternoon he'd create a new weapons system, and then in the evening he'd create a new architectural widget, and then, you know, and then the next day he'd do other things. You know, he'd take a body apart and everything and do the drawings totally illegally and and everything else, and then he'd trade something else. And he said all real breakthroughs are where you're crossing a border from one world to the other. It's almost like crossing from the mainland to Quadland, you know as a crossover. Yeah, and now he's got this. He's got four groups of companies. You know, he's probably combined about 23 companies, but he's organized them and all integrated A lot of them in the Boston area. \n\nAnd we met him two years ago, we were on Peter Diamandis's longevity trip in Boston, and then he got up but he only got, like, you know, a lot, a lot. You know, you only got about 40, 40 minutes or so, but here he had like two and a half hours and then he stayed and you know, and by asking him a question right at the end, which fascinated him, i said Ed, we know what you've done since 55, but what were the five capabilities, the stack of capabilities that you put together before 55 that make you probably the only person in the world who can do what you're doing. \n\nAnd he found that fast. He found that and he named three of them. You know, like when he was a teenager, when he was in his twenties, when he was in his thirties, but there wasn't time to get the other two out. So at dinner that night he said I like to explore with you You're thinking on this because I hadn't thought about the connections between these things as it relates to me now. \n\nAnd he says my mind is kind of going a little bit crazy with this, so can you give me a call and we'll finish the other five and then tell me what I should do with that? So he gave me his card, so I'm going to give him a call. \n\nDean Jackson\nTerrific guy, i mean just marvelous person That's so great, and how old is he now? \n\nDan Sullivan\nI'm just trying to think right now. I think he's probably late, 60s, 60s, 67, 68. Yeah, yeah, i mean kind of guy. you know, he's the kind of guy that a 79 year old can help out, right, exactly. \n\nDean Jackson\nYou know these young people, they, you know yeah these young people, you know they're. Happy birthday, by the way, You were oh yeah celebrated your birthday while you were gone? Yeah, last Friday. \n\nDan Sullivan\nIt was the last day of the Da Vinci, that was my birthday and they gave me a wonderful treat. They gave me three sliders with birthday candles out of each of the sliders. \n\nDean Jackson\nI saw that. I saw the video. Yeah, that's close. \n\nDan Sullivan\nPlus, plus, you know a big dish of coleslaw. of course You have to have coleslaw if you're going to have sliders. And major food groups. You know you've got to have the major food groups there. \n\nDean Jackson\nWell, you know, I told somebody posted it in the. You had a birthday earlier. That's exactly right. Yeah, so we're both. You caught back up again. You're 22 years ahead. Yeah, there's a couple weeks when you've. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYou chronologically kind of try to close the distance, but then about two weeks later, right, i return things back to normal. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's exactly right. That's exactly right. I was realizing, talking with Luba, we were, i was explaining about the What's really been a profound thought for me. I've really been giving a lot of time in my journals and thinking about guessing and betting. That's been a big That's been a big thing like an eye-opener. It's such a simple thing but profound when you really think about what the implications are. And I haven't thought about it, we've been talking about it. But I was going back thinking 25 years. We were looking like 25 years ago 1997, i moved to Florida, so 26 years ago now We were thinking even about 25 years. And then your birthday. I was showing her the Blider post or whatever, and we realized the distance between 2000 and now. How fast that's gone, that distance forward now. And I'll be 82 years old, lord willing. That's the big thing, right? What an amazing. \n\nDan Sullivan\nActually Dean willing. \n\nSpeaker 1\nYes, exactly, that's exactly what. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI'm talking about. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's exactly what. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI'm talking about Dean willing. These are two different roles. Dean and. God. \n\nSpeaker 1\nThat's exactly right. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's right. We don't say Lord willing, and the Creek Stilts ride. \n\nSpeaker 1\nThat's the Dean willing. \n\nDean Jackson\nYou're absolutely right, but you think about that just amazingly, it's a different. Those middling 25 years from 30 to 55 is a different 25 years than 55 to 80. \n\nSpeaker 1\nThat's really good. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI came up with another. it's sort of like it's a new relative of the lifetime extender. Okay, And it occurred to me because I'm almost 80, so I'll be 80 next year, but in the last nine years, since my 70th birthday, which there was a person who I won't say lie, but it was a subterfuge, there was no question, it was a subterfuge who invited me for dinner on my 70th birthday night. And I didn't realize I was going to have dinner with 300 people because you had a role in that subterfuge. \n\nDean Jackson\nI did. I remember that night. That's so funny. It's so funny how you guys simplified things. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI won't accuse you of lying, but it was diversionary. There was certainly diversionary. \n\nDean Jackson\nAnd if you were award, academy Awards given for that act to get you up there? \n\nSpeaker 1\nhey, gang you want to see the room where I do my birthday. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWe got to see the room where I see it. \n\nDean Jackson\nOf course I do. yes, That was something so exciting to see as a look on your face. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI was looking back to that night and I've been far more creative and productive since my 70th birthday than I was from 1 to 70. I'm just establishing that Now I've set the goal that when I'm 89, the creativity and productivity during my 80s will be greater than everything that happened before the 80s. It's a really nice structure because you're already at the top of your game for a lot of things and probably you just have to keep multiplying with your top of the game stuff. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, you look at your like it has been quite an amazing 10 years. You went literally from that was sort of on the cuff of you had just started the 10-time program, basically a few years into that. Then you created free zones in that period of time. Now you're exclusively free zones. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, i'm still doing the 10 times connectors, which is proven very valuable. I'm still doing that. I've committed for 24 because I've really enjoyed the ones. I gave everybody a commitment when I do it to the end of 23,. But I really want to do it because the fact that I'm coaching these little two hour sessions is pulling people from signature into 10 times and it's moving 10 timers into free zones. \n\nI'm creating new tools too for the 10 times program. It's all good. It's so funny because my team was saying, well, there isn't time in your schedule. We've looked at the schedule for the rest of the year and I said, well, you know those dates aren't in cement. \n\nI said these are suggestions of how I could spend my time. I said, but this is all in the I'm a 10 quick start. I said this is the most negotiable human being on the planet. Is a 10 quick start. Yeah, because something new is always more interesting than something that's already scheduled. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, amen, yeah Well, that's it. \n\nDan Sullivan\nSo I said I said don't look at the schedule and say Dan doesn't have any time. Come and talk to Dan about it and Dan will look at the schedule and say, well, we can move this to here, We move this, and we pre up three hours or four hours. We can always, you know, I mean anywhere where I've made a commitment, like it's a workshop commitment, that's fixed. Yeah. \n\nAnd you know, or a 10 time connector call Yeah, Or where I'm attending to something and I, you know, I've given my commitment I'm going to do it. But if it's just internal, you know it's internal things, like you know, I said, that's come and talk to me about this. Yeah, i have a Lillian. Come and talk to the decider. \n\nDean Jackson\nRight It was so funny. Lillian forwarded me her email with back and forth on getting up on the schedule because she had taken it off the calendar. Yeah, And then back then was explaining to Lillian how she had the conversation with you and you said where's my Dean Jackson podcast? She said, well, I think you're leaving and you're getting ready to go to London. \n\nDan Sullivan\nAnd I said you know, i said you're thinking about how long it takes Babs to get ready for London. \n\nSpeaker 1\nYou're not thinking how long it takes me to get ready. \n\nDean Jackson\nI said Babs, i'm ready right now. \n\nDan Sullivan\nIf we're leaving on Sunday night, Babs is starting on Saturday morning. There's no time for anything else. Okay, I said I got it down. 45 minutes before the limousine picks us up is when I start packing. I'm already in 45 minutes. You know, I've adapted a total Dean Jackson wardrobe. I said you know, i got three pairs of jeans. I got five long sleeve uniglo, you know, navy blue, black. You know, not black but navy blue. \n\nI can't go to black, i can go to navy blue, and then I've got socks, and then I have workout clothes and you know my toilet kit and you know my meds. Yeah, I don't know what else I have. You know how long does that take to go, you know and. I now take everything that I could get by with for a whole week just in my carry on. \n\nDean Jackson\nYes, exactly. \n\nDan Sullivan\nBecause hotels have laundry hotels. \n\nSpeaker 1\nRight And everything. \n\nDan Sullivan\nRight. \n\nSpeaker 1\nYeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nAnd it's on the plane with me, because last year We arrived in London and 50 passengers didn't get their just didn't get their luck to get their luggage and I said that's never, and you know, and everybody's combating about air Canada. I says big systems are falling apart. As a matter of fact, one of my one of my next quarter, sometime in the not too distant future, i've got a book called big systems falling apart And you know, and I said you know, big systems are having a hard time. \n\nSpeaker 1\nYou know they're you know, first of all. \n\nDan Sullivan\nA lot of their good people are retiring right now because they were boomers and the boomers are packing it in And that was the biggest work generation in the history of the United States And, yeah, yeah, by 2029 they will have all reached 65, and you know they're you know, and you know, and people say, yeah, but you know, they're old people. I said, yeah, they have systems. They have system, they have the institutional wisdom though they've been through. \n\nSpeaker 1\nso many situations. \n\nDan Sullivan\nThey know how to improvise, they know how to adjust and everything else. I said people that they're replacing with people in their 20s and 30s and they're trying to deal with complexity out of a rulebook. \n\nSpeaker 1\nYeah, Yeah, yeah, that's the. What do you notice in? \n\nDan Sullivan\nwhat do you notice, seeing about changes that are actually sticking, because a lot of it is just, you know, it's just ocean, storms and waves, it's not really a long term current. What do you mean on your friend? just noticing? \n\nDean Jackson\nI mean, you know, i read, yeah, I read. You know, years ago I don't know how many years ago now, but there was a article in the New York Times about the tyranny of convenience And that was that was the thought that they had is that once we as a society experience a new convenience, it's ratcheted in, basically that we don't rarely, we rarely go backwards to hard. Once you've yeah, we're once you've experienced, you know, machine washing your clothes We don't go back to and washing You know it's like that The whole thing. And we've experienced, we've progressed forward Where, you know, you used to have to sit in front of the television at the right time to watch the gun smoke or whatever was on TV at that time. Then we got to the VCR where you could record it and you decide when you want it, but you only could watch the things that you have. And now we've gone through you could basically watch anything, time, anywhere, on any device, and it's really a like see that, as that we're ratcheted in becomes the new norm and expectation You know. And so I think that those but it also I was sharing that I found the you know the stats the most written. \n\nThey're constantly going up, but the most recent stats that I had heard was, you know, four and a half million hours a day of video uploaded to YouTube into a system that is consuming five and a half million hours a day of video across the whole platform. So the daily needs are basically going they're being met every every two days. It's double the amount of the ability we have to consume it. You know, and I really think that there's, along with chat, what I'm finding chat GPP is going to do now is that, as long as all this content is being created, it's chat GPP. \n\nIf you think about it as your team member, like you mentioned earlier, you don't need to be able to consume everything to know it, because you've got a super smart team member who has access to all of it and can summarize it or use whatever you need to know. It's a hunting dog. \n\nDan Sullivan\nIt's a. It's a retriever. \n\nSpeaker 1\nIt's a hunting dog. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, yeah, but. But it's also a sushi chef combined with a hunting dog. \n\nDean Jackson\nA sushi chef combined with a hunting dog, yeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, i mean it just doesn't bring you back the animal unskinned. It actually skins it and, you know, breaks out the different meat portions, organizes them, puts packages and brings it back to you. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, i mean, that's really. that is exactly right And I think that's really a you know how we got here. I think about that whole welcome to uh Farlandi. I'd love to see. I wish the guy who wrote the big change. You know the book that I recommended. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, that was a good he would do one on the 1950 to now. \n\nDean Jackson\nYeah, that's what I mean And that's been interesting that I, you know, I contend that from 1950 to 1985, there was not as much change as there was from, you know, 1950 to 1950 kind of thing, that 35 years. \n\nDan Sullivan\nWell, I think the you know, I think the half century is good because there was a tremendous number of breakthroughs before the first world war, you know, and um, yeah, but I agree with you the 1950 to uh 19,. Yeah, 1985 is a good year, yeah, yeah. \n\nSpeaker 1\nThat was sort of static. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, the world was kind of living off interest. You know it wasn't like that. \n\nDean Jackson\nThat's where. \n\nthat's where I think we are right now, Like I think we got to where we got to, where you had radio, you had television, you had books, magazines, all of that stuff, automobiles, electricity, everything was that sort of like full maturity, air travel, right, all of it was 1950. We kind of got to that point where all those things were now fully natural and integrated into our society And it feels like we had a, you know, this amazing period of thriving from 1950 to 1985 on the back of that platform. We kind of got used to it and all of the good stuff that came out of people adopting those things. And it feels like in 2000, you know, 2022, here or 2023, where we've gotten to with digitization, everything ever, you know, if you just even take content stuff, um, you know we got from where somebody could create and broadcast television, you know, to people and somebody could make movies and put it, but it was a very few people who were you? \n\nknow there were only opening television networks, three television networks and you know half a dozen or a dozen movie studios and music companies. All the content was being metered out by a few people in charge right, very capital intensive to set together. But now we're at a point where everybody has access to everything ever written and created or recorded up to now and the ability to create and broadcast to everybody. And I think that we're going to be in a period now of I don't know how long, but I think we're going to see now the emergence of a period of settling down into that right That we're going to. \n\nDan Sullivan\nI agree, i agree, well, i agree 100% with what you're saying. You know I mean because um and um, there was, you know, a very creative period, but when you think about it, the microchip you know started to become really accessible to individuals. You didn't really have the microchip, except you know where you could actually, i mean, things were improving that you had the benefit of The mid-play-day-to. That's where it started right Yeah, and. I agree with it, but it wasn't until graphic user interface that computers really became useful to you know to people. \n\nYou know it was Xerox that created it, never used it. Steve Jobs stole it and then Bill Gates stole it from Steve Jobs. You know creative borrowing And you know, and that's all of a sudden the world could have computers. And then out of that, you know, the military had created the internet. It was the, it was the intelligence communities in the military created the internet and they said, hey, you know, we can, you know we can make this commercial. And then they did, and then you had, you know, then you had, and you know the internet was another big, big new capability. And then you had, you could have your phone could become a computer. \n\nDean Jackson\nYou know with the iPhone, but in a way you had to I think you did on the ad with the graphical user interface is really what allowed that. But there was still a learning And I think that where we're getting now, with all of the technology and all the stuff that's available And chat, gpt or, you know, open AI, all that stuff is really like an intellectual user interface where you can just articulate your ideas. You just tell in, you just articulate what you want, and your teammate can go and make all of that happen in terms of creating even all of the tools to access everything that's ever been. Create new stuff to your articulated specification, you know for your projects, you know your project. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, and you know, and I just had some thoughts and I, you know people, you know I was talking to the people who you know think that the growth just keeps going more exponential in the future And you know, at a certain point, the singularity, god will come and announce world peace and take care of all of us. You know, and I said you know, i think it's going the other way. I said, first of all, everybody, you know, everybody in the world knows about, you know, chat GPT. I said maybe, maybe 1% have heard about it. I said 99% of people don't doubt. I haven't a clue what people are talking about you. \n\nDean Jackson\nknow right, they're worried about having enough. \n\nDan Sullivan\nHalf the world still kind of a bit nervous about whether they're going to have enough to eat that day. You know they got other things on their mind But I pointed out to somebody. I said I bet 95% of the practical use is being done in English. You know it's not even done in another language. \n\nYou know, and it's the English speaking. You know it's the main English speaking countries and you know people in India who speak English and other people who speak English, but it's all kind of an English speaking tyranny. I mean, the Chinese, of course, are trying to do their own thing, but who cares what the Chinese do? And you know and the and so it's I think I was speaking and 90% of the 100, you know the 100% are doing it is in the United States, because Americans are that type of people And and I would say the productive people who are already productive without AI are going to become 10 times more productive. \n\nThe people who are already creative without AI, are going to become 10 times more creative, and I said this is not lessening the equality in the world. This is going to, you know it's going to be, you know, solar system wide that the inequality in the world, and, and but life's not fair. \n\nDean Jackson\nLife's not fair, that's right. \n\nDan Sullivan\nNobody's in charge. Yeah, and everything's made up. There are people. Oh, that feels so much better. I was looking for my Xanax, you know great. \n\nSpeaker 1\nJust disclosure. \n\nDan Sullivan\nDisclosure I don't take Xanax, i take something else. \n\nDean Jackson\nExactly. \n\nSpeaker 1\nYeah, i take my and I'm even cutting down on that. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYou know I'm, i'm, are you really? \n\nSpeaker 1\nYeah. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, i'm down about, i would say, 40% in usage because, I'm doing this brain neuro potential. \n\nDean Jackson\nRight. \n\nDan Sullivan\nAnd I've shown my brain scan show quite a shift in six months. you know that during the night my brain is sleeping and during the day my brain is creating worse. A lot of it was the opposite, you know, and a lot of it was the opposite when I started the scans and I was doing a lot of creative work during the night and I was kind of dozing along during the day. \n\nSpeaker 1\nI'm not, I'm certain. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, so anyway, but anyhow so. And the other thing is that there are certain industries that are going to get pounded by AI and certain industries are going to be supported by AI. But, here's just an example. You know and I quoted this on the program before, but I want to put it in this context between September of 21 and September 22. There was a four million drop in new college students. Okay, so freshman college. \n\nWow Four million, four million, but at the same time the community colleges, which are teaching you know the trades and everything, are going through the roof. They've never gone through an expansion like this because there isn't going to be any AI plumbers, there isn't going to be any AI, you know, carpenters. \n\nSpeaker 1\nRight. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYou're finding that out yourself with your, your force, your force for renovation and exactly. \n\nSpeaker 1\nYeah, you're, you're not you're not entirely. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYou're not. You're not entirely voluntary renovation. \n\nDean Jackson\nRight, exactly, Which is just now coming to an end. We still have the dining room, But we just now this week got the carpet finished and everything. Yesterday We moved everything back into place or whatever. So it feels more settled now, but I mean we're not not quite there yet. But yeah, what a three months that whole ordeal Yeah, it took us eight months, took us eight months to get our office back. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, yeah, because we had the city water main broke and it destroyed our created the studio, by the way, Yeah, i have, and right along the lines of your friends and you know they gave us and they, you know, our team, karen Scorac, is still touching base and they said we'll give you whatever help you need, you know. so your guys have been just super, you know and yeah, we have a whole. \n\nWe have a whole new studio, same space. But you know, we've asked the city to repair its water main, please, and put some barriers between the water main when it breaks outside. And I mean, it was 19,. It was put in in the 1920s, so you know, things can fall apart in 100 years and anyway. But yeah, much more great. We have exactly the same space but it's incredibly more productive. We got five studios, we got zoom studios you know right along the lines of the studio that you go to. \n\nDean Jackson\nOh, that's so great. That's good news. I meant to tell you know I just had a wonderful surprise yesterday. we were just putting everything back and then Luba had been kind of keeping issues like doing having a little secret from me, but also walked in the door And yesterday afternoon, just a surprise. He had come over from Amsterdam and was in Miami. But he came up for came up yesterday and just walked in. I had no idea he was coming. So it was such a great surprise. It was really good to see him. So I spent the last 24 hours with Matjielko. \n\nDan Sullivan\nHe's so tired. By the way, yeah, tell him he's lucky that you're not a trigger happy American. Exactly That's exactly right Of course you have gates and you have guards where you live so Yeah, and Luba was conspiring with him for the whole arrival, so that was funny. Yeah it was very interesting because you know they're not living in the United States. I've observed that there's a certain level of paranoia DNA in most Americans. \n\nThey have sort of a paranoia, and generally, is that things are falling apart. This is the end of the United States. That's one of the paranoia. And the other way is they're going to, the government is going to take away all our guns And they're going to start going through the Bill of Rights, the first 10 amendments, and they're going to, they're going to take away all the freedoms that you get from the first 10 amendments to the Constitution. I said yeah. I said I'm a big history buff. I'm running out in the United States. I think this is the 25th time that we're. It's like. You know, this is the technology that changes everything. Well, this is the you know and. \n\nI said, yeah, this is about the 25th time that the United States has fallen apart and this is the end. You know, you got to get. You know you got to. You got to do some deep breathing exercise. You know you got to relax. You have to learn how to relax and everything like that. But but one of the things is that I was going back to the AI thing that have you ever seen a site you've given me a great reference today with working genius, but there's a great site called visual capitalist. \n\nHave you ever seen that? \n\nDean Jackson\nNo, I have not, yeah, it's free Capitalistcom. \n\nDan Sullivan\nSiri wants to know if there's anything I can help her She can help me with, and, as always, there's absolutely nothing that Siri can help me with, so I just want her to let. I want her to know that you know usually. I take my. usually I take my watch and I put it in the freezer for about five hours, you know, just to put Siri on ice. By the way, visual cap just plug it in and they got it right there. \n\nSpeaker 1\nIt's so great. \n\nDan Sullivan\nYeah, it's really good, and they convert all news into diagrams and they and look at the one on AI. who gets harmed by AI? \n\nSpeaker 1\nOkay, and blue collar. \n\nDan Sullivan\nBlue collar jobs are totally protected. There's not going to be. There might be some. You know some things regarding the organization around blue collar and everything else that'll be, you know, affected, but it's all you know. You do not understand, you never understand. So anyway, she's, she's talking to me again And anyway, see, this is not a well trained dog, this is serious. \n\nSpeaker 1\nNot a well trained dog. \n\nDan Sullivan\nOkay, she, she thinks I'm going to take her out for a walk. I'm not. Anyway, the anyway, but it's very, very intriguing. And they were just talking about they're all white collar middle management jobs. \n\nYou know they're you know I mean, some of them are like programmers and coders and everything else, but they're already, they're already getting slaughtered. But but it's going to be basically all those who do a four year or seven year college education so that they can be information transfers, and you know they. But it's basically jobs that have no value creation compared with them. They're going to get. They're going to get slaughtered. \n\nYeah, this is great They have a section you can just go they. They have a, you know an accumulating site for AI. I love it, yeah, yeah, but it'd be interesting. I mean it'd be interesting, it would add to your, you know, because diagrams I mean good diagrams are really useful. \n\nDean Jackson\nOf course they are. These are, these are world classes. This is great, thank you. \n\nSpeaker 1\nThat's a great resource. \n\nDean Jackson\nSo there's some that'll be. we got some good cliffhangers for next time. We'll find out. \n\nDan Sullivan\nTune in What will Dan working I'll have my I'll have my, I'll have my working, working genius profile by the end of the day. I can't wait. Awesome, Well, safe trial. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not going to send you the results. We have to wait and. I'll be back. I'll be back. We won't be in London, so I'll be back next Sunday, same time. \n\nDean Jackson\nI'll be here too. \n\nSpeaker 1\nOkay. \n\nDean Jackson\nThank you, thank you, bye. ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn today’s episode of Welcome to Cloundlandia, we discuss the intersection points of Da Vinci\u0026#39;s genius and the current digital age as we explore the origins of technology and its impact on society.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eSHOW HIGHLIGHTS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003cul style=\"list-style-type: circle;\"\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n \u003cli\u003eHave you heard of psychological geometry? It\u0026#39;s a way to understand the rules that govern our psychological world, like everything is made up, no one is in charge, and life isn\u0026#39;t always fair.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n \u003cli\u003eBy understanding these rules, we can stay calm and cool and seize opportunities to lead in our niche or community. It\u0026#39;s all about finding ways to thrive amid chaos.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n \u003cli\u003eRichard Rossi\u0026#39;s Da Vinci Experience sounds pretty cool - it featured presentations by Dave Asprey and a pediatrician expert in age reversal through supplements. Talk about a unique event.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n \u003cli\u003eThe Kaufman Protocol is all about age reversal, and Richard creates action plans for attendees of the Da Vinci Experience. It\u0026#39;s all about finding ways to live our best lives, regardless of age.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n \u003cli\u003eEd Shulack is an architect turned CEO who built a network of companies inspired by Leonardo DaVinci\u0026#39;s genius and ability to cross borders. It just goes to show that inspiration can come from anywhere.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n \u003cli\u003eTechnology has been shaping the world for centuries, from the invention of fire to the latest advances in AI and machine learning. It\u0026#39;s amazing to think about how far we\u0026#39;ve come!\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n \u003cli\u003eFrom the microchip to the iPhone, technological advances from 1950 to 1985 have profoundly impacted society. It\u0026#39;s fascinating to think about how much has changed in just a few decades.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n \u003cli\u003eThere\u0026#39;s a lot of debate about where technology will take us in the future - will it lead to a utopian singularity or something else entirely? Only time will tell.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n \u003cli\u003eDan has some exciting plans, including setting up a genius profile and exploring training technology like a good dog. It\u0026#39;s always great to have new goals to work towards.\u003c/li\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n \u003cli\u003e Embracing technology and AI as teammates can be a game-changer for productivity, creativity, and success - whether you\u0026#39;re an individual or a business. 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Well, how was your adventures? You\u0026#39;ve been everywhere, haven\u0026#39;t you? You went to Phoenix, you went to Austin, you\u0026#39;ve been, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, we were in Sedona the week after, joe. And you know it\u0026#39;s a beautiful, beautiful place. And then we were in Austin and we had a chance to go visit Tucker Max, who you know he sold Scribe probably a year and a half ago, and then he bought himself a 50, 58 acre ranch, and so, and he\u0026#39;s a rancher, he\u0026#39;s a rancher, and he looks like a rancher. He\u0026#39;s the home parent, and Veronica is expanding his national network of nurse practitioners all across the United States because it\u0026#39;s a big item. They got him right now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd then we went to Richard Rossi\u0026#39;s Da Vinci 50. Which was terrific. I mean, it was really, really terrific. Dave Asprey was there And had a good catch up with Dave, Yeah, and then came back here and you know, and I had a busy week. We had a holiday Monday because it was Victoria. Day here and here in the colonial realm of Canada. The Canadian colony. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd anyway, and so then back to work and it felt good. It felt good I had two free zones, connectors and I had a 10 times connector and we started book 35. The next book just coming back from the printer this week is I think I\u0026#39;ve talked to you about the geometry for staying calm and cool, geometry and quotation marks, because this isn\u0026#39;t about spatial geometry, this is about psychological psychological geometry Right Yeah, psychological geometry. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThere\u0026#39;s three rules. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThree rules controls psychological world. Everything\u0026#39;s made up. That\u0026#39;s the rule number one. Always has been is now well in the future. Number two is no base in charge. Okay. And number three life\u0026#39;s not fair, Life\u0026#39;s not fair. So the three. you put those three together and you get suddenly calm and cool And you begin to realize that everything\u0026#39;s made up, so you can make up new things. Nobody\u0026#39;s in charge. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo there\u0026#39;s nobody\u0026#39;s permission to ask whether you can make up new things, and anything you make up is going to be advantageous to somebody and unfair to someone else. So just forget about that and just make up new things that other people find useful, and you\u0026#39;re clear and free. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThis is the best. What do? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWe\u0026#39;ve talked about those things, those concepts, and I just can\u0026#39;t. I have to wrap people\u0026#39;s. One of the great things that I always get people to think about is that self-appointment. You\u0026#39;re getting people to appoint themselves to the position and you take something. I think if you\u0026#39;re taking a, you\u0026#39;re organizing a group of people. If you\u0026#39;re aiming to be a hero to somebody, you\u0026#39;ve got a group of people that you\u0026#39;re aiming to be a hero to, which is one of your great thoughts that I love. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd I had a guy I did a breakthrough blueprint this week in Orlando And I had a gentleman who he he was very popular in a niche of electronic controls for, like, semen and honey well, and these things that control all these air qualities and systems for enterprise level things, big office buildings and hotels and all that stuff. So it\u0026#39;s kind of a small audience but he\u0026#39;s kind of like the most known guy in the field. He\u0026#39;s the only one that\u0026#39;s kind of organizing the community. And I said you know this will go all the way and just like, appoint yourself to be the mayor of control town and start acting like it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere\u0026#39;s nobody appointing anybody to the position of doing anything good, especially when you\u0026#39;re like connecting people. You\u0026#39;re connecting people in a good way. Everybody\u0026#39;s very myopic, everybody\u0026#39;s very only focused on what\u0026#39;s in it for me, on their own sort of thing, and as soon as you start thinking about what can you do to help them or achieve what they\u0026#39;re looking for, the whole world changes. Nobody, that\u0026#39;s one of those. Life\u0026#39;s not fair. It\u0026#39;s not fair that well, wait a minute, you\u0026#39;re not, you\u0026#39;re just helping them get there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat\u0026#39;s not fair, you can\u0026#39;t do that for free. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThere\u0026#39;s a certain thing that\u0026#39;s not fair Yeah, I had somebody on one of the connector calls last week say you know, I\u0026#39;m not perfect at what I\u0026#39;m doing, and I said, oh, you are. I said why don\u0026#39;t you just solve that perfection problem? Just declare yourself perfect and now improve it? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThere you go perfect. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s so funny, yeah, perfect. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI liked the book title that you came up with for a future potential book from Genius Network. We were talking about AI and I believe the title you came up with was why AI doesn\u0026#39;t matter, or something like that? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nNo, I\u0026#39;ve actually nailed that It\u0026#39;s not. AI I\u0026#39;ve actually I made it broader, i just made it technology period because AI. Oh okay, yeah, ai is just the 25th thing over the last 50 years, that\u0026#39;s going to change? Yeah, this is it. Now everything changes and I said well, this is number 25, and there went the. AI. We didn\u0026#39;t have the first 24. I mean, there is a genetic heritage here. Yeah, this goes way back, Anyway, by just technology. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eand so I came up in the only talk I ever gave Peter Diamonis\u0026#39;s story about AI in 1960, was he. I mentioned that we already knew how to deal with technology a long time ago, because docs were actually our first technology. Way, way, way back. People mastered fire and then they figured out you should be near a river and they took. But the docs and this is before agriculture Dogs were domesticated before agriculture and dogs is actually a creation. There were no dogs, There were smart wolves and there were smart humans and they did a free zone collaboration and we came up with this thing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe came up with, this thing called dog, and that\u0026#39;s anywhere between 30,000 to 40,000, they\u0026#39;re not, because it seems to have happened independently. One of them happened in Europe and they know, another one happened in Southeast Asia And they\u0026#39;re genetically different. so they know that the it was a different source, the wolf, different wolf genes in the two dogs, but anyway. so anyway, i just titled the book Training Technology Like a Good Dog. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOh, that\u0026#39;s so good, there you go. So technology doesn\u0026#39;t matter. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eTraining well, no, you have to be the alpha and you have to be the alpha. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIn both cases You don\u0026#39;t get a good dog, unless you\u0026#39;re the alpha, because the dog wants you to be the alpha. The dog Needs you to be the alpha because they\u0026#39;re pack animals and they got to know what their, their rank and role is, you know? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eyeah and and technology. You have to establish that you\u0026#39;re the alpha here and technology has to prove it\u0026#39;s Worth. It has to prove its usefulness and and You know, and so. But, for example, you know just one. I know we\u0026#39;re going to get into the AI Conversation here, but we just hired Evan Ryan to train our whole team. He\u0026#39;s got a succession zoom Program that\u0026#39;s called AI as your teammate. Okay, so Mm-hmm, which I thought was terrific. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, and so he\u0026#39;s going to take everybody. But you just work on what you\u0026#39;re already working at and he shows you that there\u0026#39;s part of what you\u0026#39;re working at that AI can be the teammate, Okay and yeah. So it\u0026#39;s two hour sessions and we have six of them. And then you know and people don\u0026#39;t have to do it, but they have to understand the consequences of that you know, and You know AI is not going to replace you. Somebody else who knows AI is going to replace you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat\u0026#39;s exactly right, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, so, so. Anyway, that\u0026#39;s my report general. That\u0026#39;s fun. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI\u0026#39;ve had. So I had a couple of mainland meet-ups since we\u0026#39;ve been on on Hey the I had. Lear Weinstein was down in Orlando a couple weeks ago Oh okay, and so we got. We had brunch at the four seasons for about five hours, just, you know, meeting up and talking about all kinds. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, I think he\u0026#39;s. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nHe\u0026#39;s. That\u0026#39;s not far away. I think he\u0026#39;s in Atlanta mostly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, he\u0026#39;s yeah, so they\u0026#39;ve been. They were down at Disney At the four seasons, here at Disney World. So I made my way from the four seasons Valhalla over to the four seasons Orlando And we had a wonderful. We had a wonderful brunch. I got to meet his wife I don\u0026#39;t know if you\u0026#39;ve met. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, I met her. I met her at. She was at the. Annual genius genius network last year, so I met. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOh, okay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIt was either last year or the year before. I am not quite sure. I think it might have been the year before and Yeah and but Lee are super sorry, he\u0026#39;s, he\u0026#39;s a he\u0026#39;s also a wonderful human being. Yes, really. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSo that was like good, i\u0026#39;ve you know, we\u0026#39;ve known each other, we\u0026#39;ve had some connection on online, so this was first one I\u0026#39;ve ever really spent any meaning and I think he\u0026#39;s starting a mastermind. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI think he\u0026#39;s starting a mastermind group. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHey, I mastermind group Yeah. Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, and then I Told Lee are yeah, you\u0026#39;re bit. Number one obstacles in light is that you\u0026#39;re good at everything you Put your mind to. Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eUh-huh. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, I said I don\u0026#39;t have. I was saved that problem at birth. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, we had a good. We had a good talk about that exactly we did. He went through. We share the same profile in the Working genius. I don\u0026#39;t know whether you\u0026#39;ve gone through that one. I think I\u0026#39;ve mentioned it to you. James Drage turned me on to it and I find it very Use this is a program. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThere\u0026#39;s a program or a profile. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIt\u0026#39;s a profile similar to Colby, like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOh yeah but it doesn\u0026#39;t. So you answer a whole bunch of. You answer a whole bunch of questions, right? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYou answer questions just like Colby. It really takes 10 minutes to fit. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI\u0026#39;ll do it. I\u0026#39;ll. I really I\u0026#39;d love to see what you know I will do? I will do this and I will record the results. Okay, perfect. Yeah, it\u0026#39;s working. Geniuscom or something like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s it. Yeah, i think that\u0026#39;s where it is, but essentially it\u0026#39;s. It\u0026#39;s what your, what you\u0026#39;re working genius is basically like what You, you play and it spells out. There\u0026#39;s six elements that spell out the word widget, and each of them is a different genius. So W is wonder, and that means that you have a Genius for looking at something, seeing all the ways that it could be improved. Right then I is invention, where you have a genius for Making stuff up to, to create you solution to things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nEvery everything\u0026#39;s made up and including a new program called working genius. That just got made up right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd then D is discernment, which meaning you have the genius of knowing what\u0026#39;s the right thing to do in this situation. And G is Galvanizing me, gathering all the people and the resources that you need to be able to do something. E is Enablement, and that\u0026#39;s about supporting the You know, the team or the property, or making sure everybody has what they need to be performing and doing their portion of the project. And then T is tenacity, and tenacity is Be like the equivalent, probably a follow through, the ability to Cross all the T\u0026#39;s and dot all the eyes and drive something to completion, and Dd all of it in order to get any Project done. But two of them are your genius that you like thrive in those two, and two of them are Your worst, your kryptonite kind of thing. So for me, i am your. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eJust wow your wi I\u0026#39;m discernment, discernment any mention, or my top two, and double you as a third. Yeah. So that\u0026#39;s funny, but that\u0026#39;s it\u0026#39;s like it makes sense that that\u0026#39;s the, you know and it fits, before it really does fit, because when you take it I think you\u0026#39;ll find it very interesting. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, you know it\u0026#39;s kind of funny. I was just looking at dividing widget into two parts W-I-D and T-E-T. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd who not? how That\u0026#39;s? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nexactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt\u0026#39;s weird. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI\u0026#39;m with it, but somebody\u0026#39;s got to get it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI\u0026#39;m with it, but somebody\u0026#39;s got to get it. Oh, that\u0026#39;s funny. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nHere, boy, that\u0026#39;s exactly what it is. Here\u0026#39;s a new one boy Here, That is so funny. I\u0026#39;m going to be all over that. I\u0026#39;ll have that done by the end of the day. I\u0026#39;ll tell you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOkay, perfect. I\u0026#39;m flying to London tonight. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI was just going to say. I hear you\u0026#39;re flying to London. I fond memories of London. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, but Babs is down with some sort of you know coughing thing today. So she just decided to stay home and get mended, and we\u0026#39;ve gotten a lot of useful suggestions from David Hasse, who\u0026#39;s our number one medical number one medical. He\u0026#39;s got to get some help actually help And so she\u0026#39;s going to explore these these weeks, but she doesn\u0026#39;t want the travel. really, you don\u0026#39;t want to get something that tires you out. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSpeaker 1\u003cbr\u003e\nRight. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYou know when you\u0026#39;re you got to stay put and let your body do the healing, and so she just. so, instead of it being 10 days, i\u0026#39;m just going to go tonight and I\u0026#39;ll be back on Friday And I don\u0026#39;t have I don\u0026#39;t market in live sessions anymore. That\u0026#39;s all done on. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ethat\u0026#39;s all done on Zoom which is just such a great thing, And and so I, thursday in London we have the we\u0026#39;re at the Berkeley Berkeley hotel which is out there, and you know, in May, pier Kensington, that area yeah, in that in that area. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo, I have all the non 10 times in free zone in the morning and the 10 times in free zone people can be there, But in the afternoon I just have. UK, not UK clients, but people who would go to London for their, you know, for workshops, workshops right, yeah. And they\u0026#39;re either on the virtual 10 times or they\u0026#39;re going to London or and a lot of them come to the United. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey come to Canada and the United States and the free zone, of course they come to, that\u0026#39;s Gary and, and Guy and Gary are the first to the and Peter Buckle. Peter Buckle is a free zone. And then we had Helen, who is from Newcastle, but her both her parents died and she\u0026#39;s at all landed on her. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSo taking a year up. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, so anyway, we\u0026#39;re yeah. So anyway it\u0026#39;ll be a quick trip and then I get back, and you know we\u0026#39;ve only gotten back until the following Tuesday, so picked up some days, you know. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eMm, hmm. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, well, that\u0026#39;s the dressing. So what was the highlights of your Da Vinci experience? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nRich, I tell you, Richard has created a gem. I actually created a gem, And so this is my second one, and it\u0026#39;s essentially two and a half days. You start on Wednesday at lunch and then you go and, and so we had three or four really, really great presentations, including Dave Asprey, the marvelous presentation But one of them was this woman. She\u0026#39;s great around you, She\u0026#39;s I think she\u0026#39;s in you know, she might be in Boca Raton or something like that and she\u0026#39;s really the the leading expert on using supplements to reverse your age. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThese are supplements and she\u0026#39;s got a thing called the Kaufman protocol. That\u0026#39;s the name of the book. I think that\u0026#39;s the name of her book, but I think she was a pediatrician. She just got fascinated in this age reversal thing and she\u0026#39;s a terrific presenter. And what the neat thing about Richard is that she was there on the Wednesday afternoon, she spoke again on the Thursday and she spoke again on Friday. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo he can take a present. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSo, and what? the last one is action to take. You know action to take, So he sets it up, So it\u0026#39;s free, but you get an overview and then you talk about where the breakthroughs are, and then you have an action plan. So he\u0026#39;s, it\u0026#39;s beautifully curated. I mean, Richard, Richard, superb at this and he\u0026#39;s, he\u0026#39;s he\u0026#39;s the most laid back. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, friend of the front of the room I mean he\u0026#39;s and he\u0026#39;s got that, you know, devilish sense of humor, and I mean he\u0026#39;s got very, you know, he\u0026#39;s sort of pick, he\u0026#39;s self self humorous, he tells jokes about himself And and so. And then we had an amazing person and this one wasn\u0026#39;t recorded because there was a lot of inside organizational knowledge on it, and but it\u0026#39;s a guy named Ed Shulack and he\u0026#39;s a marvelous person And he was an architect and then he got an idea and this is just kind of shows you where his mind was. He was an architect and, you know, successful, but then he I think Trump was the big thing, but Trump started, and I think it started before Trump, but Trump really went gun hoe with it. No, no, it was way before Trump, because he started this in the 80s, you know 70s and 80s And what it was is the United States established a thing called tax free trade zones. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOkay, and there\u0026#39;s I think there\u0026#39;s about 20, 25 of them in the US now, here in 2023. And what it is? they\u0026#39;re a tax free trade zone, so it\u0026#39;s places where companies from outside of the United States could come and present their you know their goods here And they have factories there, so they can. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, business can. Things can actually be created in business. But what Ed got the notion of? in the last 70s is that virtually all the airports, the major take. Orlando, for example, take. Miami for example, that almost all the big airlines airports in the US airfields were had a lot of farmland around them still. And so he went up, bought up, he bought up all the farmland, Okay around any broad. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOkay, oh yeah, and so he, and so he essentially owned the land that the trade zones were on, and, and essentially, and then when he was 55, he sold out for a humongous amount. And then he, he lives in Detroit and terrific, just, and very, very quiet, very, very quiet, very like isn\u0026#39;t it wonderful that I get to do this, but what? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ehe did is that he was starting to get into the Regenerative Medicine. You know that was starting to develop and he met Peter Diamandis and he said you know, i\u0026#39;m just going to see who the dozens and top people are in this field. I\u0026#39;m going to have an invitation. I\u0026#39;m really good at organization or anything. So I\u0026#39;ll give you three, three months of my time if you\u0026#39;ll just inform me of everything that you\u0026#39;re doing. Okay. And and he did. You know with what\u0026#39;s his name? the guy who did the first gene map, craig. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eVenture. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, craig Venture, he was the first one Yeah. So, anyway, he\u0026#39;s got great CEO capabilities. This Ed Sheeran like does. So what he did was he started seeing where all the startups were along this way and he\u0026#39;d fund startups, and then he would buy startups and put together funds that bought him up, and then he started creating these networks And his inspiration was Leonardo DaVinci, because Leonardo crossed over borders. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSpeaker 1\u003cbr\u003e\nIt was a big thing, you know he did. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYou know, in the morning he\u0026#39;d paint the you know the Mona Lisa. In the afternoon he\u0026#39;d create a new weapons system, and then in the evening he\u0026#39;d create a new architectural widget, and then, you know, and then the next day he\u0026#39;d do other things. You know, he\u0026#39;d take a body apart and everything and do the drawings totally illegally and and everything else, and then he\u0026#39;d trade something else. And he said all real breakthroughs are where you\u0026#39;re crossing a border from one world to the other. It\u0026#39;s almost like crossing from the mainland to Quadland, you know as a crossover. Yeah, and now he\u0026#39;s got this. He\u0026#39;s got four groups of companies. You know, he\u0026#39;s probably combined about 23 companies, but he\u0026#39;s organized them and all integrated A lot of them in the Boston area. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd we met him two years ago, we were on Peter Diamandis\u0026#39;s longevity trip in Boston, and then he got up but he only got, like, you know, a lot, a lot. You know, you only got about 40, 40 minutes or so, but here he had like two and a half hours and then he stayed and you know, and by asking him a question right at the end, which fascinated him, i said Ed, we know what you\u0026#39;ve done since 55, but what were the five capabilities, the stack of capabilities that you put together before 55 that make you probably the only person in the world who can do what you\u0026#39;re doing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd he found that fast. He found that and he named three of them. You know, like when he was a teenager, when he was in his twenties, when he was in his thirties, but there wasn\u0026#39;t time to get the other two out. So at dinner that night he said I like to explore with you You\u0026#39;re thinking on this because I hadn\u0026#39;t thought about the connections between these things as it relates to me now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd he says my mind is kind of going a little bit crazy with this, so can you give me a call and we\u0026#39;ll finish the other five and then tell me what I should do with that? So he gave me his card, so I\u0026#39;m going to give him a call. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nTerrific guy, i mean just marvelous person That\u0026#39;s so great, and how old is he now? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI\u0026#39;m just trying to think right now. I think he\u0026#39;s probably late, 60s, 60s, 67, 68. Yeah, yeah, i mean kind of guy. you know, he\u0026#39;s the kind of guy that a 79 year old can help out, right, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYou know these young people, they, you know yeah these young people, you know they\u0026#39;re. Happy birthday, by the way, You were oh yeah celebrated your birthday while you were gone? Yeah, last Friday. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIt was the last day of the Da Vinci, that was my birthday and they gave me a wonderful treat. They gave me three sliders with birthday candles out of each of the sliders. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI saw that. I saw the video. Yeah, that\u0026#39;s close. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nPlus, plus, you know a big dish of coleslaw. of course You have to have coleslaw if you\u0026#39;re going to have sliders. And major food groups. You know you\u0026#39;ve got to have the major food groups there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, you know, I told somebody posted it in the. You had a birthday earlier. That\u0026#39;s exactly right. Yeah, so we\u0026#39;re both. You caught back up again. You\u0026#39;re 22 years ahead. Yeah, there\u0026#39;s a couple weeks when you\u0026#39;ve. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYou chronologically kind of try to close the distance, but then about two weeks later, right, i return things back to normal. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s exactly right. That\u0026#39;s exactly right. I was realizing, talking with Luba, we were, i was explaining about the What\u0026#39;s really been a profound thought for me. I\u0026#39;ve really been giving a lot of time in my journals and thinking about guessing and betting. That\u0026#39;s been a big That\u0026#39;s been a big thing like an eye-opener. It\u0026#39;s such a simple thing but profound when you really think about what the implications are. And I haven\u0026#39;t thought about it, we\u0026#39;ve been talking about it. But I was going back thinking 25 years. We were looking like 25 years ago 1997, i moved to Florida, so 26 years ago now We were thinking even about 25 years. And then your birthday. I was showing her the Blider post or whatever, and we realized the distance between 2000 and now. How fast that\u0026#39;s gone, that distance forward now. And I\u0026#39;ll be 82 years old, lord willing. That\u0026#39;s the big thing, right? What an amazing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nActually Dean willing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSpeaker 1\u003cbr\u003e\nYes, exactly, that\u0026#39;s exactly what. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI\u0026#39;m talking about. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s exactly what. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI\u0026#39;m talking about Dean willing. These are two different roles. Dean and. God. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSpeaker 1\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s exactly right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s right. We don\u0026#39;t say Lord willing, and the Creek Stilts ride. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSpeaker 1\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s the Dean willing. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYou\u0026#39;re absolutely right, but you think about that just amazingly, it\u0026#39;s a different. Those middling 25 years from 30 to 55 is a different 25 years than 55 to 80. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSpeaker 1\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s really good. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI came up with another. it\u0026#39;s sort of like it\u0026#39;s a new relative of the lifetime extender. Okay, And it occurred to me because I\u0026#39;m almost 80, so I\u0026#39;ll be 80 next year, but in the last nine years, since my 70th birthday, which there was a person who I won\u0026#39;t say lie, but it was a subterfuge, there was no question, it was a subterfuge who invited me for dinner on my 70th birthday night. And I didn\u0026#39;t realize I was going to have dinner with 300 people because you had a role in that subterfuge. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI did. I remember that night. That\u0026#39;s so funny. It\u0026#39;s so funny how you guys simplified things. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI won\u0026#39;t accuse you of lying, but it was diversionary. There was certainly diversionary. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd if you were award, academy Awards given for that act to get you up there? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSpeaker 1\u003cbr\u003e\nhey, gang you want to see the room where I do my birthday. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWe got to see the room where I see it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOf course I do. yes, That was something so exciting to see as a look on your face. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI was looking back to that night and I\u0026#39;ve been far more creative and productive since my 70th birthday than I was from 1 to 70. I\u0026#39;m just establishing that Now I\u0026#39;ve set the goal that when I\u0026#39;m 89, the creativity and productivity during my 80s will be greater than everything that happened before the 80s. It\u0026#39;s a really nice structure because you\u0026#39;re already at the top of your game for a lot of things and probably you just have to keep multiplying with your top of the game stuff. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, you look at your like it has been quite an amazing 10 years. You went literally from that was sort of on the cuff of you had just started the 10-time program, basically a few years into that. Then you created free zones in that period of time. Now you\u0026#39;re exclusively free zones. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, i\u0026#39;m still doing the 10 times connectors, which is proven very valuable. I\u0026#39;m still doing that. I\u0026#39;ve committed for 24 because I\u0026#39;ve really enjoyed the ones. I gave everybody a commitment when I do it to the end of 23,. But I really want to do it because the fact that I\u0026#39;m coaching these little two hour sessions is pulling people from signature into 10 times and it\u0026#39;s moving 10 timers into free zones. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI\u0026#39;m creating new tools too for the 10 times program. It\u0026#39;s all good. It\u0026#39;s so funny because my team was saying, well, there isn\u0026#39;t time in your schedule. We\u0026#39;ve looked at the schedule for the rest of the year and I said, well, you know those dates aren\u0026#39;t in cement. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI said these are suggestions of how I could spend my time. I said, but this is all in the I\u0026#39;m a 10 quick start. I said this is the most negotiable human being on the planet. Is a 10 quick start. Yeah, because something new is always more interesting than something that\u0026#39;s already scheduled. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, amen, yeah Well, that\u0026#39;s it. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSo I said I said don\u0026#39;t look at the schedule and say Dan doesn\u0026#39;t have any time. Come and talk to Dan about it and Dan will look at the schedule and say, well, we can move this to here, We move this, and we pre up three hours or four hours. We can always, you know, I mean anywhere where I\u0026#39;ve made a commitment, like it\u0026#39;s a workshop commitment, that\u0026#39;s fixed. Yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd you know, or a 10 time connector call Yeah, Or where I\u0026#39;m attending to something and I, you know, I\u0026#39;ve given my commitment I\u0026#39;m going to do it. But if it\u0026#39;s just internal, you know it\u0026#39;s internal things, like you know, I said, that\u0026#39;s come and talk to me about this. Yeah, i have a Lillian. Come and talk to the decider. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nRight It was so funny. Lillian forwarded me her email with back and forth on getting up on the schedule because she had taken it off the calendar. Yeah, And then back then was explaining to Lillian how she had the conversation with you and you said where\u0026#39;s my \u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e podcast? She said, well, I think you\u0026#39;re leaving and you\u0026#39;re getting ready to go to London. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd I said you know, i said you\u0026#39;re thinking about how long it takes Babs to get ready for London. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSpeaker 1\u003cbr\u003e\nYou\u0026#39;re not thinking how long it takes me to get ready. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI said Babs, i\u0026#39;m ready right now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIf we\u0026#39;re leaving on Sunday night, Babs is starting on Saturday morning. There\u0026#39;s no time for anything else. Okay, I said I got it down. 45 minutes before the limousine picks us up is when I start packing. I\u0026#39;m already in 45 minutes. You know, I\u0026#39;ve adapted a total \u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e wardrobe. I said you know, i got three pairs of jeans. I got five long sleeve uniglo, you know, navy blue, black. You know, not black but navy blue. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI can\u0026#39;t go to black, i can go to navy blue, and then I\u0026#39;ve got socks, and then I have workout clothes and you know my toilet kit and you know my meds. Yeah, I don\u0026#39;t know what else I have. You know how long does that take to go, you know and. I now take everything that I could get by with for a whole week just in my carry on. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYes, exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBecause hotels have laundry hotels. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSpeaker 1\u003cbr\u003e\nRight And everything. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nRight. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSpeaker 1\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd it\u0026#39;s on the plane with me, because last year We arrived in London and 50 passengers didn\u0026#39;t get their just didn\u0026#39;t get their luck to get their luggage and I said that\u0026#39;s never, and you know, and everybody\u0026#39;s combating about air Canada. I says big systems are falling apart. As a matter of fact, one of my one of my next quarter, sometime in the not too distant future, i\u0026#39;ve got a book called big systems falling apart And you know, and I said you know, big systems are having a hard time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSpeaker 1\u003cbr\u003e\nYou know they\u0026#39;re you know, first of all. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nA lot of their good people are retiring right now because they were boomers and the boomers are packing it in And that was the biggest work generation in the history of the United States And, yeah, yeah, by 2029 they will have all reached 65, and you know they\u0026#39;re you know, and you know, and people say, yeah, but you know, they\u0026#39;re old people. I said, yeah, they have systems. They have system, they have the institutional wisdom though they\u0026#39;ve been through. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSpeaker 1\u003cbr\u003e\nso many situations. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThey know how to improvise, they know how to adjust and everything else. I said people that they\u0026#39;re replacing with people in their 20s and 30s and they\u0026#39;re trying to deal with complexity out of a rulebook. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSpeaker 1\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, Yeah, yeah, that\u0026#39;s the. What do you notice in? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nwhat do you notice, seeing about changes that are actually sticking, because a lot of it is just, you know, it\u0026#39;s just ocean, storms and waves, it\u0026#39;s not really a long term current. What do you mean on your friend? just noticing? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI mean, you know, i read, yeah, I read. You know, years ago I don\u0026#39;t know how many years ago now, but there was a article in the New York Times about the tyranny of convenience And that was that was the thought that they had is that once we as a society experience a new convenience, it\u0026#39;s ratcheted in, basically that we don\u0026#39;t rarely, we rarely go backwards to hard. Once you\u0026#39;ve yeah, we\u0026#39;re once you\u0026#39;ve experienced, you know, machine washing your clothes We don\u0026#39;t go back to and washing You know it\u0026#39;s like that The whole thing. And we\u0026#39;ve experienced, we\u0026#39;ve progressed forward Where, you know, you used to have to sit in front of the television at the right time to watch the gun smoke or whatever was on TV at that time. Then we got to the VCR where you could record it and you decide when you want it, but you only could watch the things that you have. And now we\u0026#39;ve gone through you could basically watch anything, time, anywhere, on any device, and it\u0026#39;s really a like see that, as that we\u0026#39;re ratcheted in becomes the new norm and expectation You know. And so I think that those but it also I was sharing that I found the you know the stats the most written. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey\u0026#39;re constantly going up, but the most recent stats that I had heard was, you know, four and a half million hours a day of video uploaded to YouTube into a system that is consuming five and a half million hours a day of video across the whole platform. So the daily needs are basically going they\u0026#39;re being met every every two days. It\u0026#39;s double the amount of the ability we have to consume it. You know, and I really think that there\u0026#39;s, along with chat, what I\u0026#39;m finding chat GPP is going to do now is that, as long as all this content is being created, it\u0026#39;s chat GPP. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIf you think about it as your team member, like you mentioned earlier, you don\u0026#39;t need to be able to consume everything to know it, because you\u0026#39;ve got a super smart team member who has access to all of it and can summarize it or use whatever you need to know. It\u0026#39;s a hunting dog. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nIt\u0026#39;s a. It\u0026#39;s a retriever. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSpeaker 1\u003cbr\u003e\nIt\u0026#39;s a hunting dog. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, yeah, but. But it\u0026#39;s also a sushi chef combined with a hunting dog. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nA sushi chef combined with a hunting dog, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, i mean it just doesn\u0026#39;t bring you back the animal unskinned. It actually skins it and, you know, breaks out the different meat portions, organizes them, puts packages and brings it back to you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, i mean, that\u0026#39;s really. that is exactly right And I think that\u0026#39;s really a you know how we got here. I think about that whole welcome to uh Farlandi. I\u0026#39;d love to see. I wish the guy who wrote the big change. You know the book that I recommended. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, that was a good he would do one on the 1950 to now. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, that\u0026#39;s what I mean And that\u0026#39;s been interesting that I, you know, I contend that from 1950 to 1985, there was not as much change as there was from, you know, 1950 to 1950 kind of thing, that 35 years. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nWell, I think the you know, I think the half century is good because there was a tremendous number of breakthroughs before the first world war, you know, and um, yeah, but I agree with you the 1950 to uh 19,. Yeah, 1985 is a good year, yeah, yeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSpeaker 1\u003cbr\u003e\nThat was sort of static. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, the world was kind of living off interest. You know it wasn\u0026#39;t like that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s where. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ethat\u0026#39;s where I think we are right now, Like I think we got to where we got to, where you had radio, you had television, you had books, magazines, all of that stuff, automobiles, electricity, everything was that sort of like full maturity, air travel, right, all of it was 1950. We kind of got to that point where all those things were now fully natural and integrated into our society And it feels like we had a, you know, this amazing period of thriving from 1950 to 1985 on the back of that platform. We kind of got used to it and all of the good stuff that came out of people adopting those things. And it feels like in 2000, you know, 2022, here or 2023, where we\u0026#39;ve gotten to with digitization, everything ever, you know, if you just even take content stuff, um, you know we got from where somebody could create and broadcast television, you know, to people and somebody could make movies and put it, but it was a very few people who were you? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eknow there were only opening television networks, three television networks and you know half a dozen or a dozen movie studios and music companies. All the content was being metered out by a few people in charge right, very capital intensive to set together. But now we\u0026#39;re at a point where everybody has access to everything ever written and created or recorded up to now and the ability to create and broadcast to everybody. And I think that we\u0026#39;re going to be in a period now of I don\u0026#39;t know how long, but I think we\u0026#39;re going to see now the emergence of a period of settling down into that right That we\u0026#39;re going to. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI agree, i agree, well, i agree 100% with what you\u0026#39;re saying. You know I mean because um and um, there was, you know, a very creative period, but when you think about it, the microchip you know started to become really accessible to individuals. You didn\u0026#39;t really have the microchip, except you know where you could actually, i mean, things were improving that you had the benefit of The mid-play-day-to. That\u0026#39;s where it started right Yeah, and. I agree with it, but it wasn\u0026#39;t until graphic user interface that computers really became useful to you know to people. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know it was Xerox that created it, never used it. Steve Jobs stole it and then Bill Gates stole it from Steve Jobs. You know creative borrowing And you know, and that\u0026#39;s all of a sudden the world could have computers. And then out of that, you know, the military had created the internet. It was the, it was the intelligence communities in the military created the internet and they said, hey, you know, we can, you know we can make this commercial. And then they did, and then you had, you know, then you had, and you know the internet was another big, big new capability. And then you had, you could have your phone could become a computer. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYou know with the iPhone, but in a way you had to I think you did on the ad with the graphical user interface is really what allowed that. But there was still a learning And I think that where we\u0026#39;re getting now, with all of the technology and all the stuff that\u0026#39;s available And chat, gpt or, you know, open AI, all that stuff is really like an intellectual user interface where you can just articulate your ideas. You just tell in, you just articulate what you want, and your teammate can go and make all of that happen in terms of creating even all of the tools to access everything that\u0026#39;s ever been. Create new stuff to your articulated specification, you know for your projects, you know your project. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, and you know, and I just had some thoughts and I, you know people, you know I was talking to the people who you know think that the growth just keeps going more exponential in the future And you know, at a certain point, the singularity, god will come and announce world peace and take care of all of us. You know, and I said you know, i think it\u0026#39;s going the other way. I said, first of all, everybody, you know, everybody in the world knows about, you know, chat GPT. I said maybe, maybe 1% have heard about it. I said 99% of people don\u0026#39;t doubt. I haven\u0026#39;t a clue what people are talking about you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nknow right, they\u0026#39;re worried about having enough. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nHalf the world still kind of a bit nervous about whether they\u0026#39;re going to have enough to eat that day. You know they got other things on their mind But I pointed out to somebody. I said I bet 95% of the practical use is being done in English. You know it\u0026#39;s not even done in another language. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know, and it\u0026#39;s the English speaking. You know it\u0026#39;s the main English speaking countries and you know people in India who speak English and other people who speak English, but it\u0026#39;s all kind of an English speaking tyranny. I mean, the Chinese, of course, are trying to do their own thing, but who cares what the Chinese do? And you know and the and so it\u0026#39;s I think I was speaking and 90% of the 100, you know the 100% are doing it is in the United States, because Americans are that type of people And and I would say the productive people who are already productive without AI are going to become 10 times more productive. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe people who are already creative without AI, are going to become 10 times more creative, and I said this is not lessening the equality in the world. This is going to, you know it\u0026#39;s going to be, you know, solar system wide that the inequality in the world, and, and but life\u0026#39;s not fair. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nLife\u0026#39;s not fair, that\u0026#39;s right. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nNobody\u0026#39;s in charge. Yeah, and everything\u0026#39;s made up. There are people. Oh, that feels so much better. I was looking for my Xanax, you know great. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSpeaker 1\u003cbr\u003e\nJust disclosure. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nDisclosure I don\u0026#39;t take Xanax, i take something else. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nExactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSpeaker 1\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, i take my and I\u0026#39;m even cutting down on that. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYou know I\u0026#39;m, i\u0026#39;m, are you really? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSpeaker 1\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, i\u0026#39;m down about, i would say, 40% in usage because, I\u0026#39;m doing this brain neuro potential. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nRight. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nAnd I\u0026#39;ve shown my brain scan show quite a shift in six months. you know that during the night my brain is sleeping and during the day my brain is creating worse. A lot of it was the opposite, you know, and a lot of it was the opposite when I started the scans and I was doing a lot of creative work during the night and I was kind of dozing along during the day. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSpeaker 1\u003cbr\u003e\nI\u0026#39;m not, I\u0026#39;m certain. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, so anyway, but anyhow so. And the other thing is that there are certain industries that are going to get pounded by AI and certain industries are going to be supported by AI. But, here\u0026#39;s just an example. You know and I quoted this on the program before, but I want to put it in this context between September of 21 and September 22. There was a four million drop in new college students. Okay, so freshman college. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWow Four million, four million, but at the same time the community colleges, which are teaching you know the trades and everything, are going through the roof. They\u0026#39;ve never gone through an expansion like this because there isn\u0026#39;t going to be any AI plumbers, there isn\u0026#39;t going to be any AI, you know, carpenters. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSpeaker 1\u003cbr\u003e\nRight. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYou\u0026#39;re finding that out yourself with your, your force, your force for renovation and exactly. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSpeaker 1\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, you\u0026#39;re, you\u0026#39;re not you\u0026#39;re not entirely. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYou\u0026#39;re not. You\u0026#39;re not entirely voluntary renovation. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nRight, exactly, Which is just now coming to an end. We still have the dining room, But we just now this week got the carpet finished and everything. Yesterday We moved everything back into place or whatever. So it feels more settled now, but I mean we\u0026#39;re not not quite there yet. But yeah, what a three months that whole ordeal Yeah, it took us eight months, took us eight months to get our office back. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, yeah, because we had the city water main broke and it destroyed our created the studio, by the way, Yeah, i have, and right along the lines of your friends and you know they gave us and they, you know, our team, karen Scorac, is still touching base and they said we\u0026#39;ll give you whatever help you need, you know. so your guys have been just super, you know and yeah, we have a whole. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe have a whole new studio, same space. But you know, we\u0026#39;ve asked the city to repair its water main, please, and put some barriers between the water main when it breaks outside. And I mean, it was 19,. It was put in in the 1920s, so you know, things can fall apart in 100 years and anyway. But yeah, much more great. We have exactly the same space but it\u0026#39;s incredibly more productive. We got five studios, we got zoom studios you know right along the lines of the studio that you go to. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOh, that\u0026#39;s so great. That\u0026#39;s good news. I meant to tell you know I just had a wonderful surprise yesterday. we were just putting everything back and then Luba had been kind of keeping issues like doing having a little secret from me, but also walked in the door And yesterday afternoon, just a surprise. He had come over from Amsterdam and was in Miami. But he came up for came up yesterday and just walked in. I had no idea he was coming. So it was such a great surprise. It was really good to see him. So I spent the last 24 hours with Matjielko. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nHe\u0026#39;s so tired. By the way, yeah, tell him he\u0026#39;s lucky that you\u0026#39;re not a trigger happy American. Exactly That\u0026#39;s exactly right Of course you have gates and you have guards where you live so Yeah, and Luba was conspiring with him for the whole arrival, so that was funny. Yeah it was very interesting because you know they\u0026#39;re not living in the United States. I\u0026#39;ve observed that there\u0026#39;s a certain level of paranoia DNA in most Americans. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThey have sort of a paranoia, and generally, is that things are falling apart. This is the end of the United States. That\u0026#39;s one of the paranoia. And the other way is they\u0026#39;re going to, the government is going to take away all our guns And they\u0026#39;re going to start going through the Bill of Rights, the first 10 amendments, and they\u0026#39;re going to, they\u0026#39;re going to take away all the freedoms that you get from the first 10 amendments to the Constitution. I said yeah. I said I\u0026#39;m a big history buff. I\u0026#39;m running out in the United States. I think this is the 25th time that we\u0026#39;re. It\u0026#39;s like. You know, this is the technology that changes everything. Well, this is the you know and. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI said, yeah, this is about the 25th time that the United States has fallen apart and this is the end. You know, you got to get. You know you got to. You got to do some deep breathing exercise. You know you got to relax. You have to learn how to relax and everything like that. But but one of the things is that I was going back to the AI thing that have you ever seen a site you\u0026#39;ve given me a great reference today with working genius, but there\u0026#39;s a great site called visual capitalist. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHave you ever seen that? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nNo, I have not, yeah, it\u0026#39;s free Capitalistcom. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSiri wants to know if there\u0026#39;s anything I can help her She can help me with, and, as always, there\u0026#39;s absolutely nothing that Siri can help me with, so I just want her to let. I want her to know that you know usually. I take my. usually I take my watch and I put it in the freezer for about five hours, you know, just to put Siri on ice. By the way, visual cap just plug it in and they got it right there. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSpeaker 1\u003cbr\u003e\nIt\u0026#39;s so great. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nYeah, it\u0026#39;s really good, and they convert all news into diagrams and they and look at the one on AI. who gets harmed by AI? \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSpeaker 1\u003cbr\u003e\nOkay, and blue collar. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBlue collar jobs are totally protected. There\u0026#39;s not going to be. There might be some. You know some things regarding the organization around blue collar and everything else that\u0026#39;ll be, you know, affected, but it\u0026#39;s all you know. You do not understand, you never understand. So anyway, she\u0026#39;s, she\u0026#39;s talking to me again And anyway, see, this is not a well trained dog, this is serious. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSpeaker 1\u003cbr\u003e\nNot a well trained dog. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOkay, she, she thinks I\u0026#39;m going to take her out for a walk. I\u0026#39;m not. Anyway, the anyway, but it\u0026#39;s very, very intriguing. And they were just talking about they\u0026#39;re all white collar middle management jobs. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou know they\u0026#39;re you know I mean, some of them are like programmers and coders and everything else, but they\u0026#39;re already, they\u0026#39;re already getting slaughtered. But but it\u0026#39;s going to be basically all those who do a four year or seven year college education so that they can be information transfers, and you know they. But it\u0026#39;s basically jobs that have no value creation compared with them. They\u0026#39;re going to get. They\u0026#39;re going to get slaughtered. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYeah, this is great They have a section you can just go they. They have a, you know an accumulating site for AI. I love it, yeah, yeah, but it\u0026#39;d be interesting. I mean it\u0026#39;d be interesting, it would add to your, you know, because diagrams I mean good diagrams are really useful. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nOf course they are. These are, these are world classes. This is great, thank you. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSpeaker 1\u003cbr\u003e\nThat\u0026#39;s a great resource. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSo there\u0026#39;s some that\u0026#39;ll be. we got some good cliffhangers for next time. We\u0026#39;ll find out. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDan Sullivan\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nTune in What will Dan working I\u0026#39;ll have my I\u0026#39;ll have my, I\u0026#39;ll have my working, working genius profile by the end of the day. I can\u0026#39;t wait. Awesome, Well, safe trial. I\u0026#39;m not, I\u0026#39;m not, I\u0026#39;m not going to send you the results. We have to wait and. I\u0026#39;ll be back. I\u0026#39;ll be back. We won\u0026#39;t be in London, so I\u0026#39;ll be back next Sunday, same time. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nI\u0026#39;ll be here too. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSpeaker 1\u003cbr\u003e\nOkay. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDean Jackson\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nThank you, thank you, bye. \u003c/p\u003e","summary":"\r\nIn today’s episode of Welcome to Cloundlandia, We discuss the intersection points of Da Vinci's genius and the current digital age as we explore the origins of technology and its impact on society.\r\n","date_published":"2023-06-16T13:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/aeb27ada-0417-45c7-b104-9c11620f5ea5.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":40221385,"duration_in_seconds":3348}]},{"id":"df452437-20a9-44ed-874b-ec980625b614","title":"Ep097: Your Future is Guessing and Betting","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/097","content_text":"In today’s episode of Welcome to Cloundlandia, we are talking about how interesting the downward transformation is to people who thought this was in the bag. Everybody talks about the future being predictable through artificial intelligence and big data but the predictions of the last four years could never predict Trump being president, BREXIT, or COVID.\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn today’s episode of Welcome to Cloundlandia, we are talking about how interesting the downward transformation is to people who thought this was in the bag. Everybody talks about the future being predictable through artificial intelligence and big data but the predictions of the last four years could never predict Trump being president, BREXIT, or COVID.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In today’s episode of Welcome to Cloundlandia, we are talking about how interesting the downward transformation is to people who thought this was in the bag. Everybody talks about the future being predictable through artificial intelligence and big data but the predictions of the last four years could never predict Trump being president, BREXIT, or COVID.\r\n","date_published":"2023-05-03T08:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/df452437-20a9-44ed-874b-ec980625b614.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":40121300,"duration_in_seconds":3340}]},{"id":"37118726-1380-4ac5-9aa3-456fb9bff4d6","title":"Ep096: A General Intelligence Smarter Than All Humans","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/096","content_text":"In today’s episode of Welcome to Cloundlandia, we are talking about how global intelligence is smarter than all humans that exist and how the idea of generic intelligence is untrue. Because we have limited bandwidth as individuals we can only be intelligent about certain things.\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn today’s episode of Welcome to Cloundlandia, we are talking about how global intelligence is smarter than all humans that exist and how the idea of generic intelligence is untrue. Because we have limited bandwidth as individuals we can only be intelligent about certain things.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In today’s episode of Welcome to Cloundlandia, we are talking about how global intelligence is smarter than all humans that exist and how the idea of generic intelligence is untrue.","date_published":"2023-04-26T15:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/37118726-1380-4ac5-9aa3-456fb9bff4d6.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":40472430,"duration_in_seconds":3369}]},{"id":"01685c28-5c31-46ab-a7ea-1295d47d056f","title":"Ep095: The wealthiest generation in the world","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/095","content_text":"In today’s episode of Welcome to Cloundlandia, we are talking about building a knowledge base in Chat GPT for a network of people that can reutilize it for the predictable future.\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn today’s episode of Welcome to Cloundlandia, we are talking about building a knowledge base in Chat GPT for a network of people that can reutilize it for the predictable future.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","summary":" In today’s episode of Welcome to Cloundlandia, we are talking about building a knowledge base in Chat GPT for a network of people that can reutilize it for the predictable future.","date_published":"2023-04-03T14:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/01685c28-5c31-46ab-a7ea-1295d47d056f.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":34712711,"duration_in_seconds":2889}]},{"id":"087e4412-0d31-4e20-b392-562bc783a0ca","title":"Ep094: Thinking About Your Thinking","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/094","content_text":"In today’s episode of Welcome to Cloundlandia, we are talking about how durable the concept of thinking about your thinking is, - why that is your best thinking, and the quality of the decisions and actions that come from it.\n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn today’s episode of Welcome to Cloundlandia, we are talking about how durable the concept of thinking about your thinking is, - why that is your best thinking, and the quality of the decisions and actions that come from it.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ccenter\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In today’s episode of Welcome to Cloundlandia, we are talking about how durable the concept of thinking about your thinking is, - 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This is the one thing that can have the lowest cost, and highest yield return in your business, and we call it being a market maker. \n\n\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eToday we\u0026#39;re going to talk about a simple email strategy to turn a thought into a referral-getting opportunity. 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This is the one thing that can have the lowest cost, and highest yield return in your business, and we call it being a market maker. 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Cloudlandia.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In today's episode, Dan and Dean use the evolution of technology in the past 30 years to try and predict how technology will evolve in the next 30 years, influenced by digital communication in places like 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href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"Join Dean and Dan as they discuss the effect that the digital revolution has had on our concept of time and how utilization of time in Cloudlandia is markedly more 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href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"Join Dean and Dan as they explore the future of economics in Cloudlandia, whilst tracing the evolution of digital economics from the 1950s to the present 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href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"Join Dean and Dan as they discuss how the modern digital landscape hinges on our ability to increase, shift and adjust our focus.","date_published":"2021-12-22T09:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/6b61397b-d66b-4d26-96e4-ffd4e2f6f50a.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":43061567,"duration_in_seconds":3585}]},{"id":"9cbde049-1f2e-4811-ae85-84bdd07a818e","title":"Ep048: Vision \u0026 Mindset","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/048","content_text":"Join Dean and Dan as they talk about how to develop a good vision and free mindset.\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eJoin Dean and Dan as they talk about how to develop a good vision and free 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rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"Join dean and Dan as they talk about internal and external thinking.","date_published":"2021-11-10T14:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/b73df812-af68-47ae-bd7c-f8e0d5dc8622.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":50533150,"duration_in_seconds":4208}]},{"id":"c56a0f4b-04c4-4851-8923-065f76216da2","title":"Ep042: The Cloudlandia Advantage","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/042","content_text":"Join dean and Dan as they talk about why Cloudlandia had all the advantages.\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com 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rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"Join Dean and Dan as they talk about the efficienies of being in Cloudlandia.","date_published":"2021-09-29T07:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/85518316-46a7-43d8-8c2f-cda92613dbc4.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":48605320,"duration_in_seconds":4047}]},{"id":"f23c43aa-a848-40ab-a26a-c5bb269cc9a3","title":"Ep036: Eating Out, Staying In","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/036","content_text":"Join Dean and Dan as they talk about the eating out while staying in.\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com 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in.","date_published":"2021-09-22T07:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/f23c43aa-a848-40ab-a26a-c5bb269cc9a3.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":44640238,"duration_in_seconds":3717}]},{"id":"112478e4-87f2-46f8-a2b9-3bc9d3ae8bdd","title":"Ep035: Going Live","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/035","content_text":"Join Dean and Dan as they talk about live events back on the mainland.\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eJoin Dean and Dan as they talk about live events back on the mainland.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"Join Dean and Dan as they talk about live events back on the mainland.","date_published":"2021-09-15T07:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/112478e4-87f2-46f8-a2b9-3bc9d3ae8bdd.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":47185874,"duration_in_seconds":3929}]},{"id":"bf100f65-8551-4a0c-a5d5-7fe15feb19d3","title":"Ep034: Another Year","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/034","content_text":"Join Dean and Dan as birthdays mark another year.\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eJoin Dean and Dan as birthdays mark another year.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"Join Dean and Dan as birthdays mark another 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rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"Springtime in Cloudlandia \u0026 Dean and Dan talk about the year.","date_published":"2021-09-01T07:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/54f700c9-54db-4fa8-bd47-9da04edf6594.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":47976830,"duration_in_seconds":3995}]},{"id":"e6e4c281-2283-4c31-8aee-94638a857258","title":"Ep032: Recommended For You","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/032","content_text":"Join Dean and Dan as they talk about the recommendation rabbit hole.\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eJoin Dean and Dan as they talk about the recommendation rabbit hole.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"Join Dean and Dan as they talk about the recommendation rabbit 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StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"Join Dean and Dan as they talk about communications.","date_published":"2021-08-18T07:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/b2495af7-8003-4bb9-b26b-51c121f5c415.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":46552103,"duration_in_seconds":3876}]},{"id":"0c5478a0-fd4c-4294-8c32-f57485cb34e7","title":"Ep030: Developments","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/030","content_text":"Join Dean and Dan as they talk about developments on the Mainland.\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eJoin Dean and Dan as they talk about developments on the Mainland.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"Join Dean and Dan as they talk about developments on the Mainland.","date_published":"2021-08-11T07:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/0c5478a0-fd4c-4294-8c32-f57485cb34e7.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":44667156,"duration_in_seconds":3719}]},{"id":"3656a694-bfdb-4ca0-9801-e3d917690a22","title":"Ep029: Traveling Without Moving","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/029","content_text":"Join Dean and Dan as they talk about the benefits of travelling in Cloudlandia.\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eJoin Dean and Dan as they talk about the benefits of travelling in Cloudlandia.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" 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message can make all the difference.","date_published":"2021-07-14T09:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/81214cc5-a303-48c1-bd3e-5770f3e0737f.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":44118934,"duration_in_seconds":3673}]},{"id":"1fcedf1f-dc7a-4d95-b3c9-5540dd42e538","title":"Ep025: Cloudlandia from Wherever","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/025","content_text":"Join Dean and Dan as they talk about how people are freeing themselves from geographic constraints.\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eJoin Dean and Dan as they talk about how people are freeing themselves from geographic constraints.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" 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Abundance 360.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"Join Dean and Dan as they talk about their experience live streaming Abundance 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rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"Join Dean and Dan as they talk about Vision, Capability, and Reach.","date_published":"2021-06-02T11:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/35962513-2e42-4a1d-9bad-f99e85f35a7d.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":47275924,"duration_in_seconds":3936}]},{"id":"bf0d9579-0f14-409c-83ba-e8cfc4a3c431","title":"Ep019: Meeting in Cloudlandia","url":"https://www.welcometocloudlandia.com/019","content_text":"Join Dean and Dan as they talk about the efficiencies of meeting in Cloudlandia.\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eJoin Dean and Dan as they talk about the efficiencies of meeting in Cloudlandia.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"Join Dean and Dan as they talk about the efficiencies of meeting in 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and relationships with people in Cloudlandia\n\nLinks: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com\n\n ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eJoin Dean and Dan as they talk about building trust, and relationships with people in Cloudlandia\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLinks\u003c/strong\u003e:\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://welcometocloudlandia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"Join Dean and Dan as they talk 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rel=\"noopener\"\u003eWelcomeToCloudlandia.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://strategiccoach.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e StrategicCoach.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"http://deanjackson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eDeanJackson.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e \u003ca href=\"https://ListingAgentLifestyle.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eListingAgentLifestyle.com\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"Join Dean and Dan as they talk about the speed an access of personal development in Cloudlandia.","date_published":"2021-04-14T11:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/2163d621-d944-4e9d-99fc-58e3cf53f4ce/1e9a18e8-909f-4423-95d6-ccf2b014bbc0.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":44329273,"duration_in_seconds":3691}]},{"id":"eb5187c7-788a-4746-a914-1807e08b6e22","title":"Ep013: Taking Cloudlandia by 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